Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Ozyhibby]

Yet another example should we need it of the case for clubs owned by their communities rather than the profiteers. Big business is ripping the heart out of clubs while the Scottish Government stands idly by.

Ever since the first bond launch those Rangers fans have ploughed cash into their club only to see it end up lining the pockets of directors.

The Scottish Govt has no control over industrial policy or business.
That's Westminster's job. You'll be glad of that, I'm sure.

[jacomo]

You're not paying attention. It's essential that Farmer sells and irrelevant who he sells to.

If only he'd taken advantage of Kennedy's generosity back then we could be renting at Almondvale whilst Edinburgh Rugby play at Easter Road and that has to be a good thing because we wouldn't be owned by Farmer and have his conduit pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Very droll. I must have missed the campaign to bring Brian Kennedy to ER.

I was only joking about him resurfacing again... seems even Der Hun aren't dumb enough to fall for his patter, and these are Ra Peepul who ended up with Craig Whyte.

[Spike Mandela]

My daughters guinea pigs have more insight into this story than the MSM...

What are they saying likes?:greengrin

[Famous Fiver]

Ashley owns shares in Rangers (8 or 9%), has stadium naming rights, controls retail merchandise sales, is putting two place men on the Board, lends them £2Mill, will underwrite a share issue, (all according to reports) yet owns 100% of Newcastle United!!! I thought there were rules in place to stop this happening. What is going on in the corridors of power in Scottish football while all this is going on?

The whole thing stinks

[hibbysam]

Ashley owns shares in Rangers (8 or 9%), has stadium naming rights, controls retail merchandise sales, is putting two place men on the Board, lends them £2Mill, will underwrite a share issue, (all according to reports) yet owns 100% of Newcastle United!!! I thought there were rules in place to stop this happening. What is going on in the corridors of power in Scottish football while all this is going on?

The whole thing stinks

He isn't allowed to have more than a 9% shareholding in another side... Hence why he can't keep ploughing money in for shares... He doesn't have control over stadium name and merchandising stores, his company does... This is how he manages to get away with this I'm afraid!

[Jim Herriot]

That's a shame because, among other things, there's a potential 25 point penalty looming if they can't reach an agreement and go into Administration.

Even aside from the fun of watching it, that part could well benefit Hibs.




p.s. You care so little that you took the time to post on here telling us just that :wink:

Wouldn't it be sweet to see The rangers relegated to the third tier?

Or would it be The The rangers applying to join the fourth tier? That would be even sweeter.

Sweetest of all would be Spartans beating TTRFC for admission. How does a new club enter the Lowland league?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

"First they came for Rangers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a [insert expletive]
Next they came for the Rangers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a [insert expletive]...."

thats it actually ;)

[jacomo]

Ashley owns shares in Rangers (8 or 9%), has stadium naming rights, controls retail merchandise sales, is putting two place men on the Board, lends them £2Mill, will underwrite a share issue, (all according to reports) yet owns 100% of Newcastle United!!! I thought there were rules in place to stop this happening. What is going on in the corridors of power in Scottish football while all this is going on?

The whole thing stinks

He's not supposed to have any board room influence either, which is clearly laughable. Tbf to Ashley, he is simply exploiting the rules in the same way as others have done - Chelsea and Vitesse Arnheim being one example. He's rich and fearless and won't let the SFA get in his way.

Given his troubled relationship with the Toon fans, he won't give a toss about any reaction from the Hordes either, unless they really do stop buying the merch. I reckon the Govan branch of Sports Direct will do just fine.

[GreenLake]

He's not supposed to have any board room influence either, which is clearly laughable. Tbf to Ashley, he is simply exploiting the rules in the same way as others have done - Chelsea and Vitesse Arnheim being one example. He's rich and fearless and won't let the SFA get in his way.

Given his troubled relationship with the Toon fans, he won't give a toss about any reaction from the Hordes either, unless they really do stop buying the merch. I reckon the Govan branch of Sports Direct will do just fine.

He thinks Sevco will give him Champions League football quicker than Newcastle. Little does he know that a resurgent Hibs will be challenging Celtic for that spot and not the Mozilo men.

[Deansy]

Yet another example should we need it of the case for clubs owned by their communities rather than the profiteers. Big business is ripping the heart out of clubs while the Scottish Government stands idly by.

Ever since the first bond launch those Rangers fans have ploughed cash into their club only to see it end up lining the pockets of directors.


Were it any other club's supporters, I'd sympathise - but them .........................................

[ancient hibee]

He thinks Sevco will give him Champions League football quicker than Newcastle. Little does he know that a resurgent Hibs will be challenging Celtic for that spot and not the Mozilo men.

He must be naive or know very little about football if he thinks any Scottish team will experience much in the way of Champions League football any time soon.

[jacomo]

He must be naive or know very little about football if he thinks any Scottish team will experience much in the way of Champions League football any time soon.

Got more chance than Newcastle, to be fair...

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Rangers meltdown thread at the top of the forum is always a good sign :-p

[Ozyhibby]

He thinks Sevco will give him Champions League football quicker than Newcastle. Little does he know that a resurgent Hibs will be challenging Celtic for that spot and not the Mozilo men.

You get about £17m for a Scottish team in champs league. Newcastle got £77m from TV from prem league last year.
Newcastle will always come first for him.

[Bostonhibby]

Ashley owns shares in Rangers (8 or 9%), has stadium naming rights, controls retail merchandise sales, is putting two place men on the Board, lends them £2Mill, will underwrite a share issue, (all according to reports) yet owns 100% of Newcastle United!!! I thought there were rules in place to stop this happening. What is going on in the corridors of power in Scottish football while all this is going on?

The whole thing stinks


Ashley is saving those in power from having to engineer another fiddle to avoid The Rangers going bust this time around and becoming The the rangers so why would they want to do anything other than sit about being important while the money men do what they like with Scottish football?

Scotlands newest club should be in no doubt about this one though, they have sold their soul (such as it was) to the devil - they don't even own their daft badge anymore. The Geordies were hoping Ashley was going to up sticks and move to Ibrox but he is into this one for the commercial value he can squeeze out of them alone - The seats on the board are not good news for the new boys either.

Wonder if Ibrox will be called the Sports Direct stadium or the Donnex Sports Socks arena? Could be better than Cheeky Charlies spell at the helm as he was only after some quick cash from share sales and an exit. Ashley can take what he wants.

[Bostonhibby]

You get about £17m for a Scottish team in champs league. Newcastle got £77m from TV from prem league last year.
Newcastle will always come first for him.

:agree:Indeed, he has wrung as much value as he can out of Newcastle and the rangers are another branding and marketing opportunity with a pretty good return on his loans being there potentially as well.

Green was an amateur compared to Ashley - let the fun begin.

[GreenLake]

You get about £17m for a Scottish team in champs league. Newcastle got £77m from TV from prem league last year.
Newcastle will always come first for him.

How much do English teams get from the Champions League?

[The Falcon]

You get about £17m for a Scottish team in champs league. Newcastle got £77m from TV from prem league last year.
Newcastle will always come first for him.

How do Newcastle do financially? I believe most English clubs struggle in that respect.

[jacomo]

How do Newcastle do financially? I believe most English clubs struggle in that respect.

NUFC now seem to doing ok financially. However, Ashley had to sink a lot of money to stabilise the situation after he bought the club, and had no takers when he tried to get his money back by selling it. Obviously relegation would hurt them.

Weird club - massive support, but little sense that they will ever achieve anything.

[tamig]

NUFC now seem to doing ok financially. However, Ashley had to sink a lot of money to stabilise the situation after he bought the club, and had no takers when he tried to get his money back by selling it. Obviously relegation would hurt them.

Weird club - massive support, but little sense that they will ever achieve anything.
does that make us a weird club too then?

[Bostonhibby]

NUFC now seem to doing ok financially. However, Ashley had to sink a lot of money to stabilise the situation after he bought the club, and had no takers when he tried to get his money back by selling it. Obviously relegation would hurt them.

Weird club - massive support, but little sense that they will ever achieve anything.

Heard it said down here that their fans never get the owners they deserve.

[jacomo]

does that make us a weird club too then?

Er no, it means what I said. Mind you, a lot of non-Hibs look at us and can't understand how we have under achieved so badly.

[Spike Mandela]

David Low (@Heavidor)
27/10/2014 09:28
The Ashley Loan announcement. londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/…

David Low (@Heavidor)
27/10/2014 09:37
RFC needs at least 15m plus substantial cost cuts in January. A New CEO should be in place before the year end to carry this out in January.

David Low (@Heavidor)
27/10/2014 09:33
It looks like a big RIFC share issue coming down the line.

David Low (@Heavidor)
27/10/2014 09:41
All the silly billies that follow follow RFC better get with the programme or into or they'll be in their third club in three years.

[TowerHibs]

Rangers will be struggling in the play offs. This new deal with Ashley needs repaid by April (that's £2million!!!) And that money he has given will only pay staff up until Christmas. Jesus, Wallace will get 20% of that for being sacked this weekend. Expect the rangers to sell Lee Wallace, McLean and free 4/5 others in Jan. David Lowe has confirmed on twitter this morning that they will need a further £15m in January as well as severe cost cuts. They're doomed

[ScottB]

Rangers will be struggling in the play offs. This new deal with Ashley needs repaid by April (that's £2million!!!) And that money he has given will only pay staff up until Christmas. Jesus, Wallace will get 20% of that for being sacked this weekend. Expect the rangers to sell Lee Wallace, McLean and free 4/5 others in Jan. David Lowe has confirmed on twitter this morning that they will need a further £15m in January as well as severe cost cuts. They're doomed

Looks like Ashley has effectively paid £2million to get that car park and other property that the fans were up in arms about awhile back. Since when they fail to pay him back he'll call in his security.

Presumably setting himself up for a nice little earner from The The Rangers having to pay him to use these facilities, their badge, their kit etc...

[jacomo]

Rangers will be struggling in the play offs. This new deal with Ashley needs repaid by April (that's £2million!!!) And that money he has given will only pay staff up until Christmas. Jesus, Wallace will get 20% of that for being sacked this weekend. Expect the rangers to sell Lee Wallace, McLean and free 4/5 others in Jan. David Lowe has confirmed on twitter this morning that they will need a further £15m in January as well as severe cost cuts. They're doomed

The more you read about it, Ashley has Der Hun over a barrel. This £2m loan from Mash is a short term fix... once he's got his own people on the Board he can structure a new deal that suits him.

Wallace had to go for allowing the company to get into such a perilous position again.

I don't think they are doomed though, and I don't think Ashley's arrival is good news for us.

[Jack]

The more you read about it, Ashley has Der Hun over a barrel. This £2m loan from Mash is a short term fix... once he's got his own people on the Board he can structure a new deal that suits him.

Wallace had to go for allowing the company to get into such a perilous position again.

I don't think they are doomed though, and I don't think Ashley's arrival is good news for us.

Only if his plan was to be in the top league next year I'd say.

If its only about money his best return may not be football success related.

[greenginger]

Heard it said down here that their fans never get the owners they deserve.


The owners that lot deserve :confused:

Pol Pott would just about do for me. :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Now that Ashley is really in charge, will he face any conflict of interest investigation because of Newcastle?

[jacomo]

Only if his plan was to be in the top league next year I'd say.

If its only about money his best return may not be football success related.

Of course it's only about money! Ashley won't even pretend to be one of them. Surely that means back in the top division so they can get those sectarian carnivals going again?

[Keith_M]

Now that Ashley is really in charge, will he face any conflict of interest investigation because of Newcastle?


This is The Rangers... Rules don't apply to them.

[AndyM_1875]

The more you read about it, Ashley has Der Hun over a barrel. This £2m loan from Mash is a short term fix... once he's got his own people on the Board he can structure a new deal that suits him.

Wallace had to go for allowing the company to get into such a perilous position again.

I don't think they are doomed though, and I don't think Ashley's arrival is good news for us.

I think you're right.

If Ashley wants control of Rangers he'll get it one way or another. He wanted rid of two directors and he's got it.
Also think David Low is missing the point about Ashley. Newcastle fans don't like him but he did plough millions of his own money into them to keep them going. He'll do the same at Rangers cos like it or not that brand shifts "product" that he will have exclusive rights to flog in his shops.

[Jack]

Of course it's only about money! Ashley won't even pretend to be one of them. Surely that means back in the top division so they can get those sectarian carnivals going again?

I know what you're saying and you're probably right. But for them to compete in the top league they went bust, jeez they've just about gone bust competing in the lower leagues!

Their assests must be worth a few bob though.

[Ozyhibby]

There is no way Ashley will let them go into admin. He has to protect those contracts.
There's also a good chance that McCoist will get the bullet.
Their chances of winning the league have increased.

[Oscar T Grouch]

There is no way Ashley will let them go into admin. He has to protect those contracts.
There's also a good chance that McCoist will get the bullet.
Their chances of winning the league have increased.

Seen on FB this morning Fat Swally was away for a meeting this morning, supposedly about his future, might be true, probably not.

[Seveno]

If Ashley puts up with Pardew then that could be a source of comfort for Swally.

[ScottB]

This is The Rangers... Rules don't apply to them.

There are no rules against Ashley owning both. The 10% thing was a 'gentlemans agreement' with the SFA.

[jacomo]

If Ashley puts up with Pardew then that could be a source of comfort for Swally.

No comfort here I'm afraid.

Pardew is a fairly cheap option who doesn't object to a squad full of imports on relatively low wages who can all be sold if the right offer comes in.

Swally is an overpaid loser who has burned millions on an over-paid squad who have no intention of giving up their contracts and will sit it out as long as possible.

[emerald green]

I'll confess and admit I'm not up to speed on the farce that is Sevco. How much longer is this circus going to continue?

Bottom line. Can anyone shed any light on whether or not Ashley increasing his shareholding at the Ibrox club means they are any safer from going into administration again? Thanks.

[ballengeich]

[QUOTE=emerald green;4209628
Bottom line. Can anyone shed any light on whether or not Ashley increasing his shareholding at the Ibrox club means they are any safer from going into administration again? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

It may be that he intends to increase his shareholding, but he hasn't done so in the last few days, just given them a loan which tides them over until they can work out how to raise enough fresh cash to reach the end of the season. That may involve a further share issue which Ashley takes up in part or in total, but we haven't got any official news so far.

Some news outlets are making out that everything's now settled at Ibrox, but that's not necessarily true. Whether they go into administration again depends on who would benefit from it.

The people no-one's talking about are Laxey. They're still the biggest individual shareholder, and bought new shares during the recent issue. They must believe that there's a way for Rangers to turn a profit, but they haven't announced what the plan is. Could they sell the football club to King while retaining Ibrox in the holding company and charging rent while Ashley creams off all the kit and imaging money?

[jacomo]

It all depends on the other shareholders. Ashley is so rich that his involvement pretty much guarantees they won't go into admin again... unless the other shareholders fight him.

I suppose a widespread boycott of Sports Direct might put the Mike Ashley deal at risk... but I don't think that will happen. Dave King encouraged a season ticket boycott in the summer, but now seems to have gone all quiet.

[Bostonhibby]

It all depends on the other shareholders. Ashley is so rich that his involvement pretty much guarantees they won't go into admin again... unless the other shareholders fight him.

I suppose a widespread boycott of Sports Direct might put the Mike Ashley deal at risk... but I don't think that will happen. Dave King encouraged a season ticket boycott in the summer, but now seems to have gone all quiet.

That's where the argument is fundamentally flawed - where else is your average hun and his good ladies and assorted children going to get matching trackie bottoms and shiny multi coloured tops for less than £20?

Ashley knows his audience.

[Bostonhibby]

No comfort here I'm afraid.

Pardew is a fairly cheap option who doesn't object to a squad full of imports on relatively low wages who can all be sold if the right offer comes in.

Swally is an overpaid loser who has burned millions on an over-paid squad who have no intention of giving up their contracts and will sit it out as long as possible.

:agree: Pardew is sitting out an unusually long contract where Ashley would have to spend way too much to shift him. Sally could probably be removed for impersonating a football manager.

[Cropley10]

Like him or not (and he's been guilty of premature celebration before) Phil usually sums it up nicely and with a neat turn of phrase too

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/less-than-a-club/

Loans of this size are like couch change to Ashley...

Interestingly there's some debate, elsewhere, at what's happened to the badge, or rather the use of the old one...

[hibees 7062]

Just heard he's getting emptied this week

[Sylar]

Ally McCoist insists he has been told his job as Rangers manager is safe. Reports on Monday morning suggested the manager could follow the chief executive Graham Wallace out of Ibrox following the acceptance of a £2m loan from Mike Ashley which strengthens his influence at the Glasgow club and is set to see Derek Llambias, the former Newcastle managing director, take the reins.

But McCoist claims he has been given assurances by the plc chairman David Somers and Sandy Easdale – chairman of the club’s football board – that he will not be replaced.

Speaking ahead of Tuesday night’s League Cup quarter-final with St Johnstone, the club’s record scorer said: “Having spoken to both gentlemen, they have confirmed to me that they want me to continue my job as Rangers manager and, as you would expect, to concentrate my thoughts on the game tomorrow night.”

Earlier on Monday, Easdale also insisted the manager was not under threat.

He said: “I have not spoken to Ally. He is the manager and he continues to be the manager. We have not got any ideas of changing the manager. That is not on the agenda.”

Wallace was forced out of Ibrox after Ashley tightened his grip on the Glasgow giants, and the departure of the former Manchester City chief operating officer is a blow to McCoist after the pair formed a close working relationship.

But McCoist put a brave face on it as he spoke to the media on Monday, adding that he was hopeful Ashley’s latest move would give the crisis-hit club some much-needed stability.

“I’m obviously saddened by the departure of Graham,” said McCoist. “On behalf of the staff and the players I would like to thank him very much for his input. Graham was great to work with and was 100% committed to taking the club forward. The news of Mike’s involvement is good news. Of course it is good news. I’ve said all along the club needs investment, so we’ve got it.

“I spoke to the chairman David Somers on Monday morning for about 15 or 20 minutes and I spoke to Sandy Easdale on the phone as well. A lot of it will remain private but what I would say is that both board members are very, very pleased and comfortable with the situation at the moment.

“The chairman gave me an indication of why they have decided to accept the investment from Mike. They are happy with that and I have to respect that. I don’t expect to speak to Mike but I would speak to any shareholder or any board member for the benefit of the football club. Change is always a concern but I have been told that this change is moving the club forward, which is absolutely fantastic.”

[iwasthere1972]

Just heard he's getting emptied this week

That could take a while. He's fuller than my recycling wheelie bin.

[Dalianwanda]

Ally McCoist insists he has been told his job as Rangers manager is safe. Reports on Monday morning suggested the manager could follow the chief executive Graham Wallace out of Ibrox following the acceptance of a £2m loan from Mike Ashley which strengthens his influence at the Glasgow club and is set to see Derek Llambias, the former Newcastle managing director, take the reins.

But McCoist claims he has been given assurances by the plc chairman David Somers and Sandy Easdale – chairman of the club’s football board – that he will not be replaced.

Speaking ahead of Tuesday night’s League Cup quarter-final with St Johnstone, the club’s record scorer said: “Having spoken to both gentlemen, they have confirmed to me that they want me to continue my job as Rangers manager and, as you would expect, to concentrate my thoughts on the game tomorrow night.”

Earlier on Monday, Easdale also insisted the manager was not under threat.

He said: “I have not spoken to Ally. He is the manager and he continues to be the manager. We have not got any ideas of changing the manager. That is not on the agenda.”

Wallace was forced out of Ibrox after Ashley tightened his grip on the Glasgow giants, and the departure of the former Manchester City chief operating officer is a blow to McCoist after the pair formed a close working relationship.

But McCoist put a brave face on it as he spoke to the media on Monday, adding that he was hopeful Ashley’s latest move would give the crisis-hit club some much-needed stability.

“I’m obviously saddened by the departure of Graham,” said McCoist. “On behalf of the staff and the players I would like to thank him very much for his input. Graham was great to work with and was 100% committed to taking the club forward. The news of Mike’s involvement is good news. Of course it is good news. I’ve said all along the club needs investment, so we’ve got it.

“I spoke to the chairman David Somers on Monday morning for about 15 or 20 minutes and I spoke to Sandy Easdale on the phone as well. A lot of it will remain private but what I would say is that both board members are very, very pleased and comfortable with the situation at the moment.

“The chairman gave me an indication of why they have decided to accept the investment from Mike. They are happy with that and I have to respect that. I don’t expect to speak to Mike but I would speak to any shareholder or any board member for the benefit of the football club. Change is always a concern but I have been told that this change is moving the club forward, which is absolutely fantastic.”

If theres a slimier snake in the game I'd be surprised.........

[ballengeich]

Just heard he's getting emptied this week

I can't see it. The loan from Ashley is to cover the short-term cash flow deficiency so additional payoffs can't be done so soon. McCoist's there at least until a longer term financial structure is in place imo.

[grunt]

Like him or not (and he's been guilty of premature celebration before) Phil usually sums it up nicely and with a neat turn of phrase too

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/less-than-a-club/

For someone who styles himself as "Author, Blogger, Journalist, Writer", I thought that post was really hard to read. More like a stream of consciousness than a thought out blog post.

[Pretty Boy]

Nae luck

[jacomo]

If theres a slimier snake in the game I'd be surprised.........

Love how's he trying to ingratiate himself with the new puppet master and use the media to try and shore up his job at the same time.

The Rangers didn't get investment last week, they got another short term loan... if Sally's trying to impress Ashley with his financial acumen then it's a fall at the first hurdle.

[grunt]

Of course it is good news. I’ve said all along the club needs investment, so we’ve got it.
Ally doesn't appear to know the difference between a loan and an investment.
[Edit - I'm too slow again!]

[grunt]

Is this Charlotte Fakes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29794451

[Deansy]

Just heard he's getting emptied this week


Am off to church/chapel/mosque/synagogue etc to 'Pray-for-Ally' and would urge all other lovers of the game to do likewise !

[emerald green]

It may be that he intends to increase his shareholding, but he hasn't done so in the last few days, just given them a loan which tides them over until they can work out how to raise enough fresh cash to reach the end of the season. That may involve a further share issue which Ashley takes up in part or in total, but we haven't got any official news so far.

Some news outlets are making out that everything's now settled at Ibrox, but that's not necessarily true. Whether they go into administration again depends on who would benefit from it.

The people no-one's talking about are Laxey. They're still the biggest individual shareholder, and bought new shares during the recent issue. They must believe that there's a way for Rangers to turn a profit, but they haven't announced what the plan is. Could they sell the football club to King while retaining Ibrox in the holding company and charging rent while Ashley creams off all the kit and imaging money?


It all depends on the other shareholders. Ashley is so rich that his involvement pretty much guarantees they won't go into admin again... unless the other shareholders fight him.

I suppose a widespread boycott of Sports Direct might put the Mike Ashley deal at risk... but I don't think that will happen. Dave King encouraged a season ticket boycott in the summer, but now seems to have gone all quiet.

Thanks for both of the above.

[s.a.m]

It all depends on the other shareholders. Ashley is so rich that his involvement pretty much guarantees they won't go into admin again... unless the other shareholders fight him.

I suppose a widespread boycott of Sports Direct might put the Mike Ashley deal at risk... but I don't think that will happen. Dave King encouraged a season ticket boycott in the summer, but now seems to have gone all quiet.

I should think there will be a boycott. He'll find that he's struggling to sell green and white nylon merchandise. ;)

[AndyM_1875]

For someone who styles himself as "Author, Blogger, Journalist, Writer", I thought that post was really hard to read. More like a stream of consciousness than a thought out blog post.

A Stream of Colin Nish more like.
Phil is an absolute tadger and a raving bigot to boot.

[AndyM_1875]

Is this Charlotte Fakes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29794451

Could be or maybe RangersTaxCase.

[jacomo]

I should think there will be a boycott. He'll find that he's struggling to sell green and white nylon merchandise. ;)

Good point. Celtc fans don't go to games and now they won't be able to shop at Sports Direct. What to do with a Saturday?

[Bostonhibby]

Why does sally think a short term loan is an investment? It likely to have a reasonable interest rate attached so will actually be a drain on future resources. Doesn't sound like money being put in to improve things, just to paper over existing black hole so they can meet the basic bills.

[Killiehibbie]

Do the 'fit and proper person' rules stretch to all board members? If so how does Easdale pass?

[CropleyWasGod]

But McCoist claims he has been given assurances by the plc chairman David Somers and Sandy Easdale – chairman of the club’s football board – that he will not be replaced.

Speaking ahead of Tuesday night’s League Cup quarter-final with St Johnstone, the club’s record scorer said: “Having spoken to both gentlemen, they have confirmed to me that they want me to continue my job as Rangers manager and, as you would expect, to concentrate my thoughts on the game tomorrow night.”

Earlier on Monday, Easdale also insisted the manager was not under threat.

He said: “I have not spoken to Ally. He is the manager and he continues to be the manager. We have not got any ideas of changing the manager. That is not on the agenda.”


Who to believe? :cb

[Bostonhibby]

Do the 'fit and proper person' rules stretch to all board members? If so how does Easdale pass?

Is it because they are the rangers?

[CropleyWasGod]

Do the 'fit and proper person' rules stretch to all board members? If so how does Easdale pass?

They do.

I think, in Easdale's case, the fact that his conviction was 16? years ago probably counts in his favour.

[Killiehibbie]

They do.

I think, in Easdale's case, the fact that his conviction was 16? years ago probably counts in his favour.Is it only convictions that count? I've heard lots of stories about what he might still be involved in.

[CropleyWasGod]

Is it only convictions that count? I've heard lots of stories about what he might still be involved in.

Think it is.

There are bound to be stories going about, but TBF the SFA can only act on the basis of facts and evidence.

[monarch]

A Stream of Colin Nish more like.
Phil is an absolute tadger and a raving bigot to boot.

From previous posts You really don't like Phil do you ? Any particular personal reason ? Accepted he's a Sellick man and is obsessed about Sevco but he does get the news a lot earlier than the mainstream media and he's correct more often than not.

[Killiehibbie]

Think it is.

There are bound to be stories going about, but TBF the SFA can only act on the basis of facts and evidence.They should act in the same way as the council licensing boards, they never let small details like facts get in the way.

[Jack]

I should think there will be a boycott. He'll find that he's struggling to sell green and white nylon merchandise. ;)

Previous sponsors, since sponsorship began just about, have been keen to do both to avoid the backlash and boycott of the cheecks. It will be interesting to see how this pans out on a sectarian Glasgow/Scotland level.

[grunt]

Why does sally think a short term loan is an investment? It likely to have a reasonable interest rate attached so will actually be a drain on future resources. I think the loan is interest free.

[Bostonhibby]

I think the loan is interest free.

Booooooooooooooo

There's still nae such thing as a free lunch -Ashley has them by the bollox.

[ScottB]

Previous sponsors, since sponsorship began just about, have been keen to do both to avoid the backlash and boycott of the cheecks. It will be interesting to see how this pans out on a sectarian Glasgow/Scotland level.

If the Celtic fans perceive Ashley as damaging their neighbours, they may well be happy to shop with him...

[AndyM_1875]

From previous posts You really don't like Phil do you ? Any particular personal reason ? Accepted he's a Sellick man and is obsessed about Sevco but he does get the news a lot earlier than the mainstream media and he's correct more often than not.

You're right I don't like him and I make no apologies for it. The man is both a bigot and a borderline sectionable nutcase. I saw through his stuff early on when he posted that awful piece "the Incubator". If you go around attempting to dehumanize an entire group of people on the basis of what football team they support then I will have no truck with that. He's a ****-stirrer, nothing more. Most Celtic fans I am friends with think he's a total fruit loop.

As for him being correct? Correct about what? He's got every single major decision on Rangers horribly wrong.
He said Rangers would disappear. They didn't.
Then that they would lose the FTTT and then the UTT. Neither happened.
So far he's 0 from 3. I await his next Nostradamus-esq prediction with amusement.

Add to the fact that he's an awful blogger. His prose is dreadful and clunky and when you look through it, it's apparent his "my sources tell me ..." blether is basically "some bloke in a Celtic pub is saying...."
Having worked in Glasgow long enough to both respect and love the place I can tell you Phil would last about ten seconds in a regular Glasgow pub if he started shooting his mouth off before he got dropped head first in the River Clyde.

[Lago]

To be frank it really doesn't matter a toss what we or the rest of Scottish football think about the current situation at Ibrox. The bottom line is the various offica groups, SFA and SPFL are desperate to get them back into the top league and will turn a blind eye to everything going on at the moment.

[3pm]

9000 predicted at the fortress of darkness tonight!

[Hibernia&Alba]

9000 predicted at the fortress of darkness tonight!

The not so loyal 'loyal'.

[Keith_M]

9000 predicted at the fortress of darkness tonight!


They had 13,000.

According to the Scotsman, it was the second lowest crowd in 25 years (the lowest was 11k in August). One Fans group had a boycott but I think it was actually just lack of interest.

[Spike Mandela]

As for him being correct? Correct about what? He's got every single major decision on Rangers horribly wrong.
He said Rangers would disappear. They didn't. THEY DID
Then that they would lose the FTTT and then the UTT. Neither happened. They haven't won yet and HMRC aren't as accepting as you


So far he's 0 from 3. I await his next Nostradamus-esq prediction with amusement.



Fixed it for you:greengrin:wink:

[AndyM_1875]

Fixed it for you:greengrin:wink:

Nah, you didn't.:wink::greengrin

And Phil is still a spoofer.

[jdships]

As a neutral if you step back and take a detailed look at what is happening at Hunbrox it becomes patently obvious that there are a number of " personal agenda's" being worked on at this time .
How many factions are operating at this moment ?
How many supporter's groups are putting their " pennysworth " in.?
How many of the corporate shareholders will sit back and just let things happen ?

Also the £2m loan has to be paid back and even if there is a new share issue , will it be fully subscribed ?
Time will tell

[hughio]

As a neutral if you step back and take a detailed look at what is happening at Hunbrox it becomes patently obvious that there are a number of " personal agenda's" being worked on at this time .
How many factions are operating at this moment ?
How many supporter's groups are putting their " pennysworth " in.?
How many of the corporate shareholders will sit back and just let things happen ?

Also the £2m loan has to be paid back and even if there is a new share issue , will it be fully subscribed ?
Time will tell

It's this relentless Hun like behaviour even at Board level that tickles me.
Even as they tear each other to pieces with their big boy bravado they can't see what a bunch of bully boy tossers they really are...which is why we all hate them anyway.
Wonderful to see it turned against itself.
Keep the show going guys and
Roll on the next administration.

[Keith_M]

.....

Also the £2m loan has to be paid back and even if there is a new share issue , will it be fully subscribed ?
Time will tell


If they default on the loan, Ashley owns the Car Park and Edmiston House

If nobody buys the new shares, Ashley gets them and then has a controlling interest in the Club. Going by past experience, he might even get them at a vastly reduced price.


So, it's a win-win for Ashley.

[Moulin Yarns]

As a neutral if you step back and take a detailed look at what is happening at Hunbrox it becomes patently obvious that there are a number of " personal agenda's" being worked on at this time .
How many factions are operating at this moment ?
How many supporter's groups are putting their " pennysworth " in.?
How many of the corporate shareholders will sit back and just let things happen ?

Also the £2m loan has to be paid back and even if there is a new share issue , will it be fully subscribed ?
Time will tell

Not if they call it an EBT :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Not if they call it an EBT :wink:


:-D


You wouldn't put it past them.

[jacomo]

If they default on the loan, Ashley owns the Car Park and Edmiston House

If nobody buys the new shares, Ashley gets them and then has a controlling interest in the Club. Going by past experience, he might even get them at a vastly reduced price.


So, it's a win-win for Ashley.

:agree:

The Board achieve very little except a loss of value in their investments, as the club burns through cash at an unsustainable and frankly grotesque rate.

King brags about having £30m to invest, gets involved in typically long-winded and pompous public slanging match, eventually proposes £16m from his 'consortium', leaves with nothing.

Brian Kennedy gets tempted back into the running and makes some kind of offer, which is ignored by everybody, bows out again with nothing.

Ashley controls the merchandise, and takes control of The Rangers on the back of a 9% stake and a £2m short term loan. Frankly, he's walking all over them.

[Springbank]

Funny if therangers lost money on every cup tie this season
A real money spinner (spinning the wrong way, for them)

[ScottB]

Still think through all of this, King has just been positioning himself to takeover after a second liquidation.

In any case, it's hilarious that 'the people' seem to unquestioningly believe the motivations of a convicted tax cheat when it comes to him being their saviour.

[PatHead]

Former Rangers vice-chairman Donald Findlay QC feels there's something "missing" and "different" at Ibrox these days, saying, "to me, this is a new Rangers which has to establish its own history and tradition. But it's not the Rangers I know. to me, genuinely, it is a new entity". (Daily Mail)

Even he can see it.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Former Rangers vice-chairman Donald Findlay QC feels there's something "missing" and "different" at Ibrox these days, saying, "to me, this is a new Rangers which has to establish its own history and tradition. But it's not the Rangers I know. to me, genuinely, it is a new entity". (Daily Mail)

Even he can see it.

Sevco mustn't be bigoted enough for him, which is strange, as they haven't changed a bit.

[Scottie]

Former Rangers vice-chairman Donald Findlay QC feels there's something "missing" and "different" at Ibrox these days, saying, "to me, this is a new Rangers which has to establish its own history and tradition. But it's not the Rangers I know. to me, genuinely, it is a new entity". (Daily Mail)

Even he can see it.
:faf: Maybe no enough flute playing funny handshakes in the Ipox board room for him.

[Bostonhibby]

Former Rangers vice-chairman Donald Findlay QC feels there's something "missing" and "different" at Ibrox these days, saying, "to me, this is a new Rangers which has to establish its own history and tradition. But it's not the Rangers I know. to me, genuinely, it is a new entity". (Daily Mail)

Even he can see it.

Is it the fans?

From what I can see it looks like there as twice as many empty chairs as fans (granted they have similar brain power, even if the chairs do have more personality) and the few fans that you see do seem to be the die hard Northern Irish variety or men in England strips.

[greenginger]

You've got to love Charles big-hands Green,

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/ashley-firm-had-financial-control-of-rangers-retail-2-years-ago.25756326


He hands over 49% of the shares in Rangers Retail to Sports Direct dressed up as an investment in Rangers.

Only now , 2 years later does someone notice the Company's Articles of Association have been changed so Sports Direct shares get 2 votes while the other shares only have 1 vote, on all matters financial.

Ah well , at least The Rangers can choose where the Christmas party is held. :greengrin

Craig White was an amateur asset stripper compared to Green.

[grunt]

Thought this was funny

https://twitter.com/mikedunn/status/529938954175655937

[Keith_M]

Thought this was funny

https://twitter.com/mikedunn/status/529938954175655937


How did the Hearts story slip in there?

[Jack]

Thought this was funny

https://twitter.com/mikedunn/status/529938954175655937

He forgot a wee arrow on the fixtures.

[Billy Whizz]

Thompson says Rangers are only 2 years old

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/299248-dundee-united-boss-keen-for-charlie-telfer-transfer-tribunal-date/

[Mikey]

I hope he has reinforced windows :greengrin

[easty]

Quite right too.

[H18S NX]

He is only telling the truth.

[Spike Mandela]

Whether you think the 'club' is two years old or not ,any finance that The Rangers claim they are due prior to liquidation would surely be paid into the creditors pot of the liquidated entity?

[NAE NOOKIE]

As far as I can see people's opinion of the current incarnation of Rangers for or against is irrelevant.

The club called Rangers in a business sense ceased to exist in October 2012. Around that time a new club The Rangers was formed. In view of that fact it flies in the face of logic for The Rangers to demand compensation for development work done on a player by A) a different football club ...... and B) a football club which in a legal business sense no longer exists.

Never mind the fact that Steven Thompson is giving us all a bloody good laugh, in a business sense he is utterly correct.

[Hibernia&Alba]

As far as I can see people's opinion of the current incarnation of Rangers for or against is irrelevant.

The club called Rangers in a business sense ceased to exist in October 2012. Around that time a new club The Rangers was formed. In view of that fact it flies in the face of logic for The Rangers to demand compensation for development work done on a player by A) a different football club ...... and B) a football club which in a legal business sense no longer exists.

Never mind the fact that Steven Thompson is giving us all a bloody good laugh, in a business sense he is utterly correct.

Well said, and it again begs the question that has never been satisfactorily answered: why have The Rangers been allowed to keep their history?

Gretna are now called Gretna 2008. Why aren't Rangers called The Rangers 2012?

[Mr White]

Well said, and it again begs the question that has never been satisfactorily answered: why have The Rangers been allowed to keep their history?

Gretna are now called Gretna 2008. Why aren't Rangers called The Rangers 2012?
Because none of the creditors objected to the continued use of the brand name iirc.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Because none of the creditors objected to the continued use of the brand name iirc.

It's a shame such a façade should be allowed to hide the truth. New club, new brand.

[DaveF]

Because none of the creditors objected to the continued use of the brand name iirc.

Who objected to Gretna being called Gretna :confused:

[Mr White]

Who objected to Gretna being called Gretna :confused:

Not sure about them but when Airdrie's liquidation was completed a couple of years ago they were able to change their name from airdrie utd to airdieonians after the legal impediment to using the original name was removed.

[green&left]

http://i62.tinypic.com/2s99mom.png

Coral know the score swell.

Coral bookies to be boycotted too for telling the truth.

[NAE NOOKIE]

http://i62.tinypic.com/2s99mom.png

Coral know the score swell.

Coral bookies to be boycotted too for telling the truth.


:faf: ............... love it

[SunshineOnLeith]

Dundee Utd seem to be Scottish Football's chief wind up merchant of the Zombies - more power to them I say! Really wanted them to draw The Rangers in the league cup semi, just for their Zombie Outbreak Squad banter to get another airing.

[givescotlandfreedom]

They're only saying the truth

[Bostonhibby]

They're 2 already? jeez where does the time go, they seem to have been around forever, I hope someone bought them a birthday cake. With a file in it.

[CraigHibee]

Why aren't Rangers called The Rangers 2012?

because they are SEVCO :wink:

[AndyM_1875]

It's a shame such a façade should be allowed to hide the truth. New club, new brand.

But they're not a new brand. It's the same old Rangers pish of bigotry & intolerance served up for thick as mince Buckie swilling shellsuited eejits.

Steven Thompson really really hates Rangers. And that dislike goes back a long way.

[Peevemor]

I really hope the decision goes Utd's way. Newhun can't have it all ways. They managed to wipe out an enormous debt with their Sevco manoeuvre so I fail to see why they should gain any benefit due to the time a player spent with the now defunct company.

[7Hero]

when they come to easter road will we have the balls to call them THE RANGERS on the scoreboard ??

doubt it...

[NAE NOOKIE]

when they come to easter road will we have the balls to call them THE RANGERS on the scoreboard ??

doubt it...

Zombies is shorter :greengrin

[7Hero]

Zombies is shorter :greengrin

id take that too..

[Sir David Gray]

I don't know why it's seen as so controversial to claim that Sevco and Rangers are two different clubs.

They're the only organisation from any field that I've ever heard of which has gone through liquidation and yet still claims to be the same organisation to the one which existed before liquidation occurred.

The club that exists now has only been in existence since 2012.

Never let them forget.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

They know themselves they're a new club, hence their "140 years unbroken history" merchandise. It's all a bit cringe if you ask me. New club, deal with it.

[Jack]

I think sevco will get away with it.

The authorities allow them to be the same club so that they can insist football debt is taken care of.

They'll argue that if football debt is transferable then so should football credit.

Just saying likes, I'm not saying I agree.

[_hucks_]

http://i62.tinypic.com/2s99mom.png

Coral know the score swell.

Coral bookies to be boycotted too for telling the truth.

They'll get their data feed from RunningBall, who have them listed as The Rangers on absolutely everything. I use it most days for work and it always gives me a chuckle.

[lapsedhibee]

Steven Thompson really really hates Rangers. And that dislike goes back a long way.

Any special reason for that (I mean, anything over and above the usual reasons) :dunno:

[The Green Goblin]

when they come to easter road will we have the balls to call them THE RANGERS on the scoreboard ??

doubt it...

Board for us says Hibernian, but for the away team it just says "visitors" doesn't it? Or have they changed it? It was a Mowbray idea - one of many small wee digs he came up with to give Hibs a psychological edge...

[AndyM_1875]

Any special reason for that (I mean, anything over and above the usual reasons) :dunno:

Various reasons but relations have been bad between the clubs since 2007 or so and getting worse.

United losing the LC final to Rangers on penalties where Thompson felt his team had been cheated was particularly sore.

A couple of years before Rangers had smashed United 7-1 at Hampden in a semi final, Thompson was angry and unpleasantly offensive in the Hospitality areas at Hampden that night ( I was there with a work party).

The Mike McCurry refereed game at Ibrox that Rangers won 3-2 where Dundee United nearly walked off. It is without doubt the most biased piece of refereeing I have ever seen in an SPL game. It was so bad I felt sorry for Craig Levein the United manager who was having a breakdown at the side of the pitch.

Then there was the general unpleasantness between the clubs over abandoned matches due to weather conditions. After a game was abandoned at half time Thompson refused to issue vouchers to the travelling Rangers fans and basically said "screw the lot of you, you can pay full price in the rearranged game". Rangers howled in protest at this but the SFA said there was nothing they can do.

United were one of the first clubs to vote to boot Rangers out the league in 2012. Their vote was issued with glee rather than the resigned sigh most of the other clubs announced theirs with and the between sobs manner that Celtic issued theirs.

These two clubs (irrespective of what you view Rangers status as) really despise each other. The urban rumour I've heard is that delegates from United and Rangers will not talk to each other at SFA/SPFL meetings. But it has to be said Stephen Thompson is something of a **** stirrer because if he really did actually view Rangers as a new club rather than the old enemy, he wouldn't use the language he does about them because it's all fuelled by the perceived injustices that predate the Rangers meltdown.

[lyonhibs]

Aside from the legal/paperwork fiddly bits, anyone who insists on calling Rangers "The Rangers 2012" or similar is having a mare of a facepalm moment IMO.

It may be technically correct, but they still play at Ibrox, in blue, still have the same horrid bigoted fans and I imagine still have an Ibrox Trophy Room stuffed to the rafters.

They're Rangers - do we now sing "We hate The Glasgow Rangers................. " etc? Does anyone really say, in the pub, who are "The" Rangers playing this weekend?

Move on and continue to despise them as much as we always have.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's a shame such a façade should be allowed to hide the truth. New club, new brand.

The brand was bought by the new company. Old brand, new owners.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't know why it's seen as so controversial to claim that Sevco and Rangers are two different clubs.

They're the only organisation from any field that I've ever heard of which has gone through liquidation and yet still claims to be the same organisation to the one which existed before liquidation occurred.

The club that exists now has only been in existence since 2012.

Never let them forget.

There are many, many situations in the business world where a company has gone into liquidation, and where the assets of that business (including its name and brand) have been bought by a new company.

Rangers are no different in that respect.

[SaulGoodman]

Board for us says Hibernian, but for the away team it just says "visitors" doesn't it? Or have they changed it? It was a Mowbray idea - one of many small wee digs he came up with to give Hibs a psychological edge...

Definitely has the away teams name now, hasn't had "Visitors" for a while

[7Hero]

Board for us says Hibernian, but for the away team it just says "visitors" doesn't it? Or have they changed it? It was a Mowbray idea - one of many small wee digs he came up with to give Hibs a psychological edge...
It's back to the teams mate... Preferred visitors. Would have been funny to put

The visitors

Just the once though

[Mikey09]

Getting back to the lad Telfer surely when the Huns were liquidated ALL player contracts had to be re-negotiated as they were signing for a new club?? If this is the case, maybe posters with more knowledge could tell us, then Thompson is spot on saying they will only be paying 2 years compensation.

[CropleyWasGod]

Getting back to the lad Telfer surely when the Huns were liquidated ALL player contracts had to be re-negotiated as they were signing for a new club?? If this is the case, maybe posters with more knowledge could tell us, then Thompson is spot on saying they will only be paying 2 years compensation.
Chances are that this would be covered by TUPE rules. The new company would take on all the rights and responsibilities of the former employers.

If that's the case, I reckon TRFC have the law on their side.

[Mikey09]

Chances are that this would be covered by TUPE rules. The new company would take on all the rights and responsibilities of the former employers.

If that's the case, I reckon TRFC have the law on their side.


cheers CWG....

[Smartie]

These matters are always difficult to resolve and seem to be very complicated. "All very complex" some might say.

I must admit that I have a degree of sympathy with "Sevco" on this. Ok, they were liquidated, stiffed a lot of creditors and had to be launched as a newco. But one of the conditions of the new license being granted was that they were liable for all football debts. Surely if they were liable for the debts then (in the unlikely event of it ever arising) surely they should also stand to receive any football credit?

Basically, United should have to cough up for the 6 years worth of investment that was put into training the boy regardless, because it happened. 2 years should definitely go to Sevco. Whether Sevco receive the extra 4 years or whether it goes into the pot for oldco's creditors should be the only question.

I could be a bigger problem for us in future if "bigger clubs" (s******) can poach players from smaller clubs and walk over the regulations regarding recompensing clubs for bringing through youth.

[CropleyWasGod]

These matters are always difficult to resolve and seem to be very complicated. "All very complex" some might say.

I must admit that I have a degree of sympathy with "Sevco" on this. Ok, they were liquidated, stiffed a lot of creditors and had to be launched as a newco. But one of the conditions of the new license being granted was that they were liable for all football debts. Surely if they were liable for the debts then (in the unlikely event of it ever arising) surely they should also stand to receive any football credit?

Basically, United should have to cough up for the 6 years worth of investment that was put into training the boy regardless, because it happened. 2 years should definitely go to Sevco. Whether Sevco receive the extra 4 years or whether it goes into the pot for oldco's creditors should be the only question.

I could be a bigger problem for us in future if "bigger clubs" (s******) can poach players from smaller clubs and walk over the regulations regarding recompensing clubs for bringing through youth.

Pretty much agree with that. For the TUPE-related reasons above, I would side with Sevco getting all the cash.

However, TRFC's liquidators might have something to say..... :cb

[Keith_M]

On the subject of RFC's liquidators.....


Have they squeezed every last penny out of the pot yet or are they still working on it?

I believe there were some legal cases they were following up on but wasn't sure if they'd worked their way through the cash yet.

[CropleyWasGod]

On the subject of RFC's liquidators.....


Have they squeezed every last penny out of the pot yet or are they still working on it?

I believe there were some legal cases they were following up on but wasn't sure if they'd worked their way through the cash yet.

Think it must be ongoing. We would have heard if there had been any developments, positive or otherwise.

[Turkish Green]

Where my sympathy runs out with Sevco is that the SFA gave them a lifeline to sign players before the player embargo set in. Then Fat Sally continued to ignore any cost cutting of his squad even when they were playing against part time teams in Divs 1 & 2, paying high wages and staying in***** hotels pre-matches.

If Sevco had tried to cut their cloth to make savings to pay back creditors then maybe I would feel some sympathy but it is clear that the club has been run as a cash cow for all except the fans (much as I detest them).

Let them burn.

[lucky]

The newco bought the liquidated company and inherited its football debts as such it should also then inherit any football money due form the oldco.

I know this is not a popular point of view but a lot are blinkered cos it's them.

[southsider]

Newco have already said the new Ashley cash will not last long. They are paying players with no resale value, Daly, Shiels Miller, Boyd etc 4-5k per week. Gates way down so they are loosing cash hand over fist. Another fine mess.

[Weststandwanab]

And the rest, those figures are nowhere near correct - it is worse for them.

[Sylar]

I don't know why it's seen as so controversial to claim that Sevco and Rangers are two different clubs.

They're the only organisation from any field that I've ever heard of which has gone through liquidation and yet still claims to be the same organisation to the one which existed before liquidation occurred.

The club that exists now has only been in existence since 2012.

Never let them forget.

The same thing happened to Livingston in 2010 when they were liquidated and dumped into the third division - the controlling company died but the Livingston 5 group took over the running of the club, which remained unaffected.

From a business point of view though, Stephen Thomson is quite right to challenge the transaction between Dundee United and the new Rangers company, is he not?

Telfer's contract was transferred over to a new company and that registration has only been held for 2 years? Whether you buy into Rangers being the same club under different corporate management or not, the business that held his employment contract died and his new registration with The Rangers International is only 2 years old? :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

The same thing happened to Livingston in 2010 when they were liquidated and dumped into the third division - the controlling company died but the Livingston 5 group took over the running of the club, which remained unaffected.

From a business point of view though, Stephen Thomson is quite right to challenge the transaction between Dundee United and the new Rangers company, is he not?

Telfer's contract was transferred over to a new company and that registration has only been held for 2 years? Whether you buy into Rangers being the same club under different corporate management or not, the business that held his employment contract died and his new registration with The Rangers International is only 2 years old? :confused:

...but that contract was transferred to the new company. I am no expert in TUPE, but I reckon that the rights and responsibilities of that contract would be transferred as well.

[The Green Goblin]

Definitely has the away teams name now, hasn't had "Visitors" for a while


It's back to the teams mate... Preferred visitors. Would have been funny to put

The visitors

Just the once though



Thanks for that. :aok: I get over twice a year but December/January is the only time I get to see the cabbage home and away. I keep hoping they`ll introduce summer football in June/July so I can see some games then too.

Still, December/January are good months to be back, because they cram the games in a wee bit, but I couldn`t remember thinking back what the scoreboard said when I was there last year. I agree it would have been funny...:greengrin but they should put The Rangers anyway...It`s not inaccurate. Cheers.

[Sir David Gray]

Aside from the legal/paperwork fiddly bits, anyone who insists on calling Rangers "The Rangers 2012" or similar is having a mare of a facepalm moment IMO.

It may be technically correct, but they still play at Ibrox, in blue, still have the same horrid bigoted fans and I imagine still have an Ibrox Trophy Room stuffed to the rafters.

They're Rangers - do we now sing "We hate The Glasgow Rangers................. " etc? Does anyone really say, in the pub, who are "The" Rangers playing this weekend?

Move on and continue to despise them as much as we always have.

I have been calling them Sevco since 2012 and will continue to do so.

On the odd occasion that I call them Rangers, I quickly correct myself.

[Mr White]

Regardless of the legal detail it's a fact that singing

You were always hated
Then you were liquidated
You're not rangers anymore

winds them up big time. It'll be even sweeter if we're 3 up at half time again next time we get to taunt them.

[CropleyWasGod]

I have been calling them Sevco since 2012 and will continue to do so.

On the odd occasion that I call them Rangers, I quickly correct myself.

you mean "misdirect"?

:cb

[lapsedhibee]

Various reasons but relations have been bad between the clubs since 2007 or so and getting worse.

United losing the LC final to Rangers on penalties where Thompson felt his team had been cheated was particularly sore.

A couple of years before Rangers had smashed United 7-1 at Hampden in a semi final, Thompson was angry and unpleasantly offensive in the Hospitality areas at Hampden that night ( I was there with a work party).

The Mike McCurry refereed game at Ibrox that Rangers won 3-2 where Dundee United nearly walked off. It is without doubt the most biased piece of refereeing I have ever seen in an SPL game. It was so bad I felt sorry for Craig Levein the United manager who was having a breakdown at the side of the pitch.

Then there was the general unpleasantness between the clubs over abandoned matches due to weather conditions. After a game was abandoned at half time Thompson refused to issue vouchers to the travelling Rangers fans and basically said "screw the lot of you, you can pay full price in the rearranged game". Rangers howled in protest at this but the SFA said there was nothing they can do.

United were one of the first clubs to vote to boot Rangers out the league in 2012. Their vote was issued with glee rather than the resigned sigh most of the other clubs announced theirs with and the between sobs manner that Celtic issued theirs.

These two clubs (irrespective of what you view Rangers status as) really despise each other. The urban rumour I've heard is that delegates from United and Rangers will not talk to each other at SFA/SPFL meetings. But it has to be said Stephen Thompson is something of a **** stirrer because if he really did actually view Rangers as a new club rather than the old enemy, he wouldn't use the language he does about them because it's all fuelled by the perceived injustices that predate the Rangers meltdown.
:thumbsup: Many thanks indeed. Missed most of that in real time.

[jdships]

Newco have already said the new Ashley cash will not last long. They are paying players with no resale value, Daly, Shiels Miller, Boyd etc 4-5k per week. Gates way down so they are loosing cash hand over fist. Another fine mess.


:agree:
For me the serious question is
What does the next three months hold for them ? If what we hear/read is correct they have funding problems as well as cash flow trouble.
Once again a business living above their means ! Sounds familiar doesn't it :greengrin
I know of a maintenance firm ( 40 odd employees) in the area whose general manger won't acce[t work from them for fear of administration by May !!!!! :rolleyes:

[portycabbage]

Various reasons but relations have been bad between the clubs since 2007 or so and getting worse.

United losing the LC final to Rangers on penalties where Thompson felt his team had been cheated was particularly sore.

A couple of years before Rangers had smashed United 7-1 at Hampden in a semi final, Thompson was angry and unpleasantly offensive in the Hospitality areas at Hampden that night ( I was there with a work party).

The Mike McCurry refereed game at Ibrox that Rangers won 3-2 where Dundee United nearly walked off. It is without doubt the most biased piece of refereeing I have ever seen in an SPL game. It was so bad I felt sorry for Craig Levein the United manager who was having a breakdown at the side of the pitch.

Then there was the general unpleasantness between the clubs over abandoned matches due to weather conditions. After a game was abandoned at half time Thompson refused to issue vouchers to the travelling Rangers fans and basically said "screw the lot of you, you can pay full price in the rearranged game". Rangers howled in protest at this but the SFA said there was nothing they can do.

United were one of the first clubs to vote to boot Rangers out the league in 2012. Their vote was issued with glee rather than the resigned sigh most of the other clubs announced theirs with and the between sobs manner that Celtic issued theirs.

These two clubs (irrespective of what you view Rangers status as) really despise each other. The urban rumour I've heard is that delegates from United and Rangers will not talk to each other at SFA/SPFL meetings. But it has to be said Stephen Thompson is something of a **** stirrer because if he really did actually view Rangers as a new club rather than the old enemy, he wouldn't use the language he does about them because it's all fuelled by the perceived injustices that predate the Rangers meltdown.

Strictly speaking, Rangers booted themselves out the league (and existence) when they were liquidated and went out of business. The newco wasn't in any league until they were granted a place in the 4th tier, despite not having the required 3 years accounts. Apologies for nit-picking your post to make a point!

[malcolm]

Chances are that this would be covered by TUPE rules. The new company would take on all the rights and responsibilities of the former employers.

If that's the case, I reckon TRFC have the law on their side.

Might that not be in respect of employment rights and responsibilities of the employer to the previous contract of employment and not in respect of rights in respect of a prospective third party that is associated with there having been such a contract and not from the contract itself? TUPE is there to protect the rights of the employee being transferred from one employer to another and is not a simple step in the old employers shoes scenario.

or am I indulging in wishful thinking:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Might that not be in respect of employment rights and responsibilities of the employer to the previous contract of employment and not in respect of rights in respect of a prospective third party that is associated with there having been such a contract and not from the contract itself? TUPE is there to protect the rights of the employee being transferred from one employer to another and is not a simple step in the old employers shoes scenario.

or am I indulging in wishful thinking:greengrin
You might be right. I'm not an employment lawyer, but I understood that the "step into the shoes" analogy was, by and large, correct.

[Iggy Pope]

And the rest, those figures are nowhere near correct - it is worse for them.

Is it the big L? Maybe a big double L? Christ, here we go again.

[lyonhibs]

I have been calling them Sevco since 2012 and will continue to do so.

On the odd occasion that I call them Rangers, I quickly correct myself.

That makes you decidedly more pedantic than me then :greengrin

[Geo_1875]

...but that contract was transferred to the new company. I am no expert in TUPE, but I reckon that the rights and responsibilities of that contract would be transferred as well.

If I remember correctly, contracts were not being transferred. The players were all asked to take pay cuts so new contracts would be signed with the "new" club. Would that not rule TUPE out?

[Keith_M]

I have been calling them Sevco since 2012 and will continue to do so.

On the odd occasion that I call them Rangers, I quickly correct myself.


But do you consider them Sevco-5088 or Sevco-Scotland?


That makes a whole lot of difference, you know


:greengrin

[Keith_M]

If I remember correctly, contracts were not being transferred. The players were all asked to take pay cuts so new contracts would be signed with the "new" club. Would that not rule TUPE out?


They couldn't actually force the players to take pay cuts or sign new contracts. That's actually the main thrust of the TUPE rules, to protect the rights of the employee and to maintain the conditions they had under the previous owners.

Chuckie Green got a bit confused about that, thinking the TUPE laws were there for his benefit. He was wrong.

The only pay cuts I remember were voluntary reductions agreed by the players before the previous entity went bust and the new Company took over. That was a temporary measure to get Rangers to the end of the season.

[AndyM_1875]

If I remember correctly, contracts were not being transferred. The players were all asked to take pay cuts so new contracts would be signed with the "new" club. Would that not rule TUPE out?

No. Rangers was a straight forward TUPE between two operating companies, the fact that one was in Administration at the time is neither here nor there. Under TUPE an individual does not have to transfer and has the right to say, "not for me, I'm leaving", which is what Allan McGregor and Steven Whittaker amongst others did. Players like Lee McCulloch and Lee Wallace agreed to TUPE and initially this would have been at their existing pre-Admin contract rates.

[Turkish Green]

Aside from the legal/paperwork fiddly bits, anyone who insists on calling Rangers "The Rangers 2012" or similar is having a mare of a facepalm moment IMO.

It may be technically correct, but they still play at Ibrox, in blue, still have the same horrid bigoted fans and I imagine still have an Ibrox Trophy Room stuffed to the rafters.

They're Rangers - do we now sing "We hate The Glasgow Rangers................. " etc? Does anyone really say, in the pub, who are "The" Rangers playing this weekend?

Move on and continue to despise them as much as we always have.
As far as companies house is concerned they are a new company/club. However, the Green spiv bought their history along with other assets for 5.5 million. Still see it as wrong for them to have the stars above the badge on their shirts.

[KeithTheHibby]

As far as companies house is concerned they are a new company/club. However, the Green spiv bought their history along with other assets for 5.5 million. Still see it as wrong for them to have the stars above the badge on their shirts.


The only people who see any relevance to those stupid Stars are Huns. Same with the tims having 1 for winning the European cup almost 50 years ago. Means absoutely nothing.

[HoboHarry]

The only people who see any relevance to those stupid Stars are Huns. Same with the tims having 1 for winning the European cup almost 50 years ago. Means absoutely nothing.
I think you are completely wrong on the Celtic part. I'm no great defender of them but it is a massive part of their history that they were the first British club to win the trophy. If it had been us we would never stop talking about it.

[Bostonhibby]

I think you are completely wrong on the Celtic part. I'm no great defender of them but it is a massive part of their history that they were the first British club to win the trophy. If it had been us we would never stop talking about it.

I quite enjoy the fact that we were the first British team of such standing at the time that we were invited to take part in the European Cup and were the first to get to the semi's great quiz question and nobody down here ever knows the answer.

As for the rangers, if they want to have 2 silver stars to mark their 2 major titles so far its up to them but its a bit tacky, they were playing part timers in the 3rd and 2nd divisions and with the money they are still spending it would have been a surprise if they hadn't walked those leagues. Maybe they should have gone for more modest tick on their shirts or perhaps a C- "could do better" ?

[NAE NOOKIE]

The only people who see any relevance to those stupid Stars are Huns. Same with the tims having 1 for winning the European cup almost 50 years ago. Means absoutely nothing.

There is no official FIFA or UEFA rules about stars .... but perhaps there should be.

IMO these should only be worn to signify European trophies won, which means Celtic are entitled to theirs, as are Aberdeen and as were the now defunct Rangers. Anything else is just affectation.

Having said that I think every club who participated in the first ever European cup should be entitled to a special gold star :greengrin

Or any club who has been champion of the world :greengrin :greengrin

[AndyM_1875]

As far as companies house is concerned they are a new company/club. However, the Green spiv bought their history along with other assets for 5.5 million. Still see it as wrong for them to have the stars above the badge on their shirts.

They can do whatever they like, it's all just branding anyway and as others like CWG have said Rangers as a brand haven't changed one iota, a different company operates the club now, that's all.

Note how our players reacted when the full time whistle went at Ibrox and we had won 3-1. They wouldn't have behaved like that had it been Alloa or Cowdenbeath, they did so because it was Rangers and all that means.

[Mr White]

They can do whatever they like, it's all just branding anyway and as others like CWG have said Rangers as a brand haven't changed one iota, a different company operates the club now, that's all.

Note how our players reacted when the full time whistle went at Ibrox and we had won 3-1. They wouldn't have behaved like that had it been Alloa or Cowdenbeath, they did so because it was Rangers and all that means.
True but by the same token why were the cavemen getting so irate at the mention of the L-word? If it hadn't happened it wouldn't bother them right? Deep down they know, and its our job to keep reminding them :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

That makes you decidedly more pedantic than me then :greengrin

Yup, you bet! :wink:


But do you consider them Sevco-5088 or Sevco-Scotland?


That makes a whole lot of difference, you know


:greengrin

Whatever annoys them the most. :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Yup, you bet! :wink:



Whatever annoys them the most. :greengrin

The one hun I am related to gets fair annoyed when I refer to them as the now defunct Glasgow rangers or the team formerly known as Glasgow rangers, for that reason alone I prefer these long winded descriptions. Elsewhere the rangers is fine, especially if it all goes pear shaped again as we can call the new entity the the rangers.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The brand was bought by the new company. Old brand, new owners.

You must get bored having to post this every few days CWG.

[CropleyWasGod]

You must get bored having to post this every few days CWG.

I don't. I have a macro set up to auto-respond to certain Hibs.net myths.

Mind you, I had to turn it off for a while when Hibileaks started up. My laptop was overheating.

[silverhibee]

http://i62.tinypic.com/2s99mom.png

Coral know the score swell.

Coral bookies to be boycotted too for telling the truth.


:faf: :lolrangers:

[Hibs Class]

The brand was bought by the new company. Old brand, new owners.


As far as companies house is concerned they are a new company/club. However, the Green spiv bought their history along with other assets for 5.5 million. Still see it as wrong for them to have the stars above the badge on their shirts.


I don't agree that you can buy history. A company - plc, Ltd. Co. etc. is a legal person and so can be bought/sold. A brand is just an asset of a company and so it can be separately bought and sold, so that the brand can continue whilst the legal person owning it can change.

History is different: I cannot buy another person's history - their schooling, their qualifications, their work experience or their relationships. That's simply because their history happened to them, not to me, and nothing I can say will ever change that.

There is a perception of an association between the brand and the history and that perception can be reinforced by how loud and how long some people shout about it, but that doesn't make it true.

[lapsedhibee]

History is different: I cannot buy another person's history - their schooling, their qualifications, their work experience or their relationships. That's simply because their history happened to them, not to me, and nothing I can say will ever change that.

True, but this will all change when brain transplants are perfected.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't agree that you can buy history. A company - plc, Ltd. Co. etc. is a legal person and so can be bought/sold. A brand is just an asset of a company and so it can be separately bought and sold, so that the brand can continue whilst the legal person owning it can change.

History is different: I cannot buy another person's history - their schooling, their qualifications, their work experience or their relationships. That's simply because their history happened to them, not to me, and nothing I can say will ever change that.

There is a perception of an association between the brand and the history and that perception can be reinforced by how loud and how long some people shout about it, but that doesn't make it true.

Perception is important.

If I buy a McDonalds franchise from an insolvent company, yes I buy the brand. I also, in the public's mind, buy everything else that is associated with McDonalds, positive and negative. I am perceived by most to have bought into the history of Happy Meals and Chrissie Hynd.

In the mind of the average football supporter, the Rangers supporters have also bought into the history of their club by embracing everything that was negative and....um, positive.... about the old regime.

[Keith_M]

I don't. I have a macro set up to auto-respond to certain Hibs.net myths.

.


Is that a posh-people name for an underpaid, east european servant?


I can just imagine the scene at Cropley Towers...

"Oh Macro, be a good lad and rebuff all the nonsense on hibs.net today. Oh and polish my brogues when you're done"


:wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Is that a posh-people name for an underpaid, east european servant?


I can just imagine the scene at Cropley Towers...

Oh Macro, be a good lad and rebuff all the nonsense on hibs.net today. Oh and polish my brogues when you're done"


:wink:

Lad? LAD?

My PA has many talents, and buffing is only one..... :cb

[Keith_M]

Lad? LAD?

My PA has many talents, and buffing is only one..... :cb



Have I just lost my invite to the annual Cropley Towers Christmas Peasant* Shoot?


:boo hoo:






* Not a typo

[portycabbage]

Perception is important.

If I buy a McDonalds franchise from an insolvent company, yes I buy the brand. I also, in the public's mind, buy everything else that is associated with McDonalds, positive and negative. I am perceived by most to have bought into the history of Happy Meals and Chrissie Hynd.

In the mind of the average football supporter, the Rangers supporters have also bought into the history of their club by embracing everything that was negative and....um, positive.... about the old regime.

I think football clubs are more than a brand or a franchise - it's like buying a replacement for a dead goldfish before your kids notices, and pretending it's the same fish, rather than just the latest holder of the pet goldfish franchise.

Given people have different perceptions of whether there is a continuity of identity of RFC, it's difficult to argue that perception=reality (I know you only said perception is important!).

A brand can carry associations in the mind of football supporters without that meaning it's the same club. Even Trigger's broom at least had an unbroken history!

[Moulin Yarns]

BBC Scotland News ‏@BBCScotlandNews (https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews)3 mins3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/533221285502148608)

BREAKING NEWS: Four men detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2012 http://bbc.in/1zTWAST (http://t.co/ErzHZeKXiB)




Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug (https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug)2 mins2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/533221631947472896)

BBC understands Craig Whyte is not one of the 4 men detained in relation to investigation into acquisition of #Rangers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangers?src=hash)

[sambajustice]

13759

ho ho ho...

[Weststandwanab]

BBC Scotland News ‏@BBCScotlandNews (https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews)3 mins3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/533221285502148608)

BREAKING NEWS: Four men detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2012 http://bbc.in/1zTWAST (http://t.co/ErzHZeKXiB)




Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug (https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug)2 mins2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/533221631947472896)

BBC understands Craig Whyte is not one of the 4 men detained in relation to investigation into acquisition of #Rangers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangers?src=hash)

What a great day - watching SNP conference and reading that Magic !

[Moulin Yarns]

What a great day - watching SNP conference and reading that Magic !


Glad to be of assistance. How is the concert hall, I'm almost next door to you just along Mill Street.

[Golden Bear]

What a great day - watching SNP conference and reading that Magic !

Ye're easily pleased.

:wink:

[Weststandwanab]

Glad to be of assistance. How is the concert hall, I'm almost next door to you just along Mill Street.

I have no idea I have never been there. I am in Edinburgh watching on TV.


Ye're easily pleased.

:wink:

At the risk of waking up the Multi Quote Police how do you know that ?

[Golden Bear]

I have no idea I have never been there. I am in Edinburgh watching on TV.



At the risk of waking up the Multi Quote Police how do you know that ?

Elementary - my powers of deduction are limitless.

[The Green Goblin]

I have no idea I have never been there. I am in Edinburgh watching on TV.

I'll let you off with a warning...


At the risk of waking up the Multi Quote Police how do you know that ?

...this time. On your way now son :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Are they going for a star for each arrest? BBC reporting 4 just now in relation to the sale of the club in 2012

[s.a.m]

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/533232619161649152) BBC learns Gary Whithey and David Greer are 2 of the 4 men detained as part of investigation into acquisition of #Rangers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangers?src=hash) in 2011.


Does anyone remember who they are?:dunno:

[fat freddy]

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/533232619161649152) BBC learns Gary Whithey and David Greer are 2 of the 4 men detained as part of investigation into acquisition of #Rangers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangers?src=hash) in 2011.


Does anyone remember who they are?:dunno:
Withey and Grier are two of them, apparently. That's Whyte's lawyer and Grier of Duff and Phelps.

[s.a.m]

Withey and Grier are two of them, apparently. That's Whyte's lawyer and Grier of Duff and Phelps.


:aok:

[Weststandwanab]

:aok:

It seems the Administrators from Duff and Duffer are the other 2 ! -

[s.a.m]

It seems the Administrators from Duff and Duffer are the other 2 ! -

Well then...This is going to be interesting.


Edit: Here's the full set of names of those allegedly detained:
STV News ‏@STVNews · 24s25 seconds ago
STV understands David Grier, Paul Clark, David Whitehouse and Gary Withey have been detained over sale of Rangers. http://bit.ly/1wxCHKV

[Billy Whizz]

I'm a bit confused with this. Are the arrests relating to Rangers going into admin and the sale to Charles green, or the sale from Murray to White?

[s.a.m]

I'm a bit confused with this. Are the arrests relating to Rangers going into admin and the sale to Charles green, or the sale from Murray to White?

Looks like it's Murray to Whyte. From the BBC article:

Four men have been detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2011.

The men were held during early morning raids at addresses across the UK in an operation which involved officers from Surrey Police, Cheshire Police and Thames Valley Police.

Police Scotland have been investigating the sale of Rangers from Sir David Murray to Craig Whyte for over a year.

[ekhibee]

I don't think I'd be able to stop laughing if they got relegated again.

[PatHead]

Scotsman and Herald saying it is 2012?

Once CWG has got the dust sheets off his records he will inspire another 800 page thread on these naughty boys and clarify everything.

[Weststandwanab]

I don't think I'd be able to stop laughing if they got relegated again.

You would !

Just long enough to enjoy a large measure of your poison of choice - then you can start laughing again.

[Billy Whizz]

Looks like it's Murray to Whyte. From the BBC article:

Four men have been detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2011.

The men were held during early morning raids at addresses across the UK in an operation which involved officers from Surrey Police, Cheshire Police and Thames Valley Police.

Police Scotland have been investigating the sale of Rangers from Sir David Murray to Craig Whyte for over a year.


Thanks, if that's the case, why isn't Whyte involved?

[Andy74]

Thanks, if that's the case, why isn't Whyte involved?

I think he lives in Monaco? May just be an issue of access.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Well then...This is going to be interesting.


Edit: Here's the full set of names of those allegedly detained:
STV News ‏@STVNews · 24s25 seconds ago
STV understands David Grier, Paul Clark, David Whitehouse and Gary Withey have been detained over sale of Rangers. http://bit.ly/1wxCHKV


Is Paul Clark the bald guy from Duff & Phelps who did all the media updates when Rangers were in administration?

[CropleyWasGod]

Scotsman and Herald saying it is 2012?

Once CWG has got the dust sheets off his records he will inspire another 800 page thread on these naughty boys and clarify everything.

Wearied, he muttered "ah, ****, here we go again", and poured himself a large one.

Actually, when I heard the report on the 12 o clock news, the first name that came to mind was Gary Withey. I am, though, surprised at Grier et al.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm a bit confused with this. Are the arrests relating to Rangers going into admin and the sale to Charles green, or the sale from Murray to White?

I would guess that it's both.

Although the media are saying it's the sale to White, there are 3 of Duff & Phelps in there. IIRC, they didn't get involved until RFC went into administration.

[The Falcon]

I would guess that it's both.

Although the media are saying it's the sale to White, there are 3 of Duff & Phelps in there. IIRC, they didn't get involved until RFC went into administration.

Ticketus? I recall Paul Murray saying that D+P knew about the Ticketus deal and D+P denied this but proof emerged that they, or at least their employees, did have knowledge.

Probably not make much difference in the overall scheme of things but at least we will all have a firkin good laugh for a wee while yet.

[Keith_M]

If Police are investigating the 2011 purchase, does that mean it could be null and void?

Would that also mean any subsequent sale would also be null and void (selling stolen goods)?

So, David Murray might once again be the owner?


This is going to get verrrrrryyy complicated!

[CropleyWasGod]

Ticketus? I recall Paul Murray saying that D+P knew about the Ticketus deal and D+P denied this but proof emerged that they, or at least their employees, did have knowledge.

Probably not make much difference in the overall scheme of things but at least we will all have a firkin good laugh for a wee while yet.

Could be.

Actually, I always maintained that David Murray HAD to have known about the Ticketus deal as well. If he didn't, then he didn't do his due diligence very well.

Jeez, I feel I've just regressed into 2011.....:rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

If Police are investigating the 2011 purchase, does that mean it could be null and void?

Would that also mean any subsequent sale would also be null and void (selling stolen goods)?

So, David Murray might once again be the owner?


This is going to get verrrrrryyy complicated!

Not to go over old ground..... aye right :rolleyes:...... but the liquidators do have the right to challenge the sale to Chucky, and possibly have it reversed. Cav managed to convince me that they wouldn't, but.......

:cb

[Hibernia&Alba]

If Police are investigating the 2011 purchase, does that mean it could be null and void?

Would that also mean any subsequent sale would also be null and void (selling stolen goods)?

So, David Murray might once again be the owner?


This is going to get verrrrrryyy complicated!

Tears of joy.

[Billy Whizz]

Not to go over old ground..... aye right :rolleyes:...... but the liquidators do have the right to challenge the sale to Chucky, and possibly have it reversed. Cav managed to convince me that they wouldn't, but.......

:cb

An unexpected twist, didn't think it could ever get any more complicated!
So "The Rangers" might be an illegal company?

[Keith_M]

Could be.

Actually, I always maintained that David Murray HAD to have known about the Ticketus deal as well. If he didn't, then he didn't do his due diligence very well.

Jeez, I feel I've just regressed into 2011.....:rolleyes:


I think they should make the last three seasons null and void (including all Cup wins) and put all the teams into their respective leagues from August 2011...


Then liquidate Rangers :wink:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/533232619161649152) BBC learns Gary Whithey and David Greer are 2 of the 4 men detained as part of investigation into acquisition of #Rangers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangers?src=hash) in 2011.


Does anyone remember who they are?:dunno:

The four men of the apocalypse?

[The Falcon]

An unexpected twist, didn't think it could ever get any more complicated!
So "The Rangers" might be an illegal company?

They certainly played a few games (at least) officially as Sevco. What a guddle.

[PatHead]

Are they, they died yet?

[ekhibee]

Let's see how fast Ashley grabs his money back if the Murray/Chucky deal was indeed illegal. As CropleyWasGod has been saying, I can't see how Duff and Duffer can be involved in that, they didn't come in till later, but of course it might not actually be about the Murray/Chucky deal in the first place. What a f****** shambles.

[Hibee87]

So...does this have any significant affect on the zombies? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30053692 :confused:

[Keith_M]

So...does this have any significant affect on the zombies? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30053692 :confused:


Being discussed on this thread

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?294185-The-Rangers

[HoboHarry]

What's the possibility that MA haas an inkling of what may happen? Don't know how that would affect things but I guess I'm just surprised that he wouldn't know that legal action was not a strong possibility.

[AndyM_1875]

Rangers certainly seem to have an inexhaustible supply of spivs.
Bet they wish it was cash.

[HoboHarry]

Bit of a grammatical catastrophe there. Wee fat fingers on an iPhone :)

[seanshow]

didnt CW record conversations with Dum&Dummer,that proved they were in it from the beginning?

D&P were also the only show in town when it came to appoint administrators, which was well dodgy at the time.

[Keith_M]

Let's see how fast Ashley grabs his money back if the Murray/Chucky deal was indeed illegal. As CropleyWasGod has been saying, I can't see how Duff and Duffer can be involved in that, they didn't come in till later, but of course it might not actually be about the Murray/Chucky deal in the first place. What a f****** shambles.


If the Duff and Phelps guys have been arrested, it surely has to be the 2012 sale, from D&F to Green, that's being investigated.

If it was the (2011) Murray to Whyte deal, I can't see what the D&F guys have to do with it.

[Hibee87]

Being discussed on this thread

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?294185-The-Rangers

never noticed that :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

didnt CW record conversations with Dum&Dummer,that proved they were in it from the beginning?

D&P were also the only show in town when it came to appoint administrators, which was well dodgy at the time.

That's not how I remember it. HMRC had their own guys lined up, and there was a virtual race to the Courts to see who would get appointed.

[HoboHarry]

Scotsman reporting that a warrant will be issued today for CW. How long before the same for DM?

[Keith_M]

never noticed that :aok:


You're welcome


:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

If the Duff and Phelps guys have been arrested, it surely has to be the 2012 sale, from D&F to Green, that's being investigated.

If it was the (2011) Murray to Whyte deal, I can't see what the D&F guys have to do with it.

Unless, as Falcon said earlier, it's to do with the Ticketus aspect.

Remember that D&P were CW's advisers for years before he got involved with RFC.

[PatHead]

Scotsman reporting that a warrant will be issued today for CW. How long before the same for DM?

That will teach him for messing with Masons

[sadtom]

For gawd sakes. How much more dodgyness can these crooks, cretins and charlatans be linked with?!
Surely its time to hand the whole rotten institution a sack, a few bricks and directions to the nearest canal.
(so much kinder in the long run and i'm sick listening their death throe bleatings)

[Keith_M]

Unless, as Falcon said earlier, it's to do with the Ticketus aspect.

Remember that D&P were CW's advisers for years before he got involved with RFC.


Cheers, that makes sense

[CropleyWasGod]

Missed this bit in the BBC report:-

The four men are being questioned over allegations of utterance - signing legally binding documents and purporting to be someone you are not.

...perhaps, in the Ticketus context, pretending to be directors of RFC?

Also:-

this work "was commenced while these employees were part of MCR Partners, prior to its acquisition by Duff & Phelps in October of 2011".

[Weststandwanab]

Missed this bit in the BBC report:-

The four men are being questioned over allegations of utterance - signing legally binding documents and purporting to be someone you are not.

...perhaps, in the Ticketus context, pretending to be directors of RFC?

Oh dear now this could get really messy.

I hope there are the funds for the legal costs.

Mike could we just......

[CropleyWasGod]

Oh dear now this could get really messy.

I hope there are the funds for the legal costs.

Mike could we just......

Don't think it's got anything to do with the current club.

[Moulin Yarns]

Don't think it's got anything to do with the current club.

Agreed, don't think it has anything to do with the club but who knows, mud sticks.

Does anyone know if the guy Ashley got on the board has any connection with the 5 accused?

[Weststandwanab]

Don't think it's got anything to do with the current club.

No it has not.

I was trying to suggest the current lot may need to ask Mike for another loan to fund the legal costs of the latet fiasco.

[CropleyWasGod]

No it has not.

I was trying to suggest the current lot may need to ask Mike for another loan to fund the legal costs of the latet fiasco.

But they'll not be liable for any costs? Or have I misunderstood?

[greenginger]

Missed this bit in the BBC report:-

The four men are being questioned over allegations of utterance - signing legally binding documents and purporting to be someone you are not.

...perhaps, in the Ticketus context, pretending to be directors of RFC?

Also:-

this work "was commenced while these employees were part of MCR Partners, prior to its acquisition by Duff & Phelps in October of 2011".


Or maybe Charles Green pretending to be Craig Whyte when the Rangers assets were transferred to Sevco Scotland instead of Sevco ? Whatever the number was. The Duff and Phelps boys must have known there was a scam going on.

[Weststandwanab]

But they'll not be liable for any costs? Or have I misunderstood?

Maybe not liable but at the very least I would expect them to consult lawyers to assess any exposure to potential liability.

And that will cost big time.

[Weststandwanab]

Super Swally shocked

http://t.co/hsnNerLNrE (http://t.co/hsnNerLNrE)

[Kaiser1962]

Or maybe Charles Green pretending to be Craig Whyte when the Rangers assets were transferred to Sevco Scotland instead of Sevco ? Whatever the number was. The Duff and Phelps boys must have known there was a scam going on.

Did Charlotte Fakes not tweet something along those lines? With documents?

[GordonHFC]

Super Swally shocked

http://t.co/hsnNerLNrE (http://t.co/hsnNerLNrE)

Shocked that it's taken so long to find out what actually happened perhaps?

[CropleyWasGod]

Or maybe Charles Green pretending to be Craig Whyte when the Rangers assets were transferred to Sevco Scotland instead of Sevco ? Whatever the number was. The Duff and Phelps boys must have known there was a scam going on.

... which would render CG liable to arrest as well.

Maybe Interpol are already on their way to his chateau :cb

[The Falcon]

Don't think it's got anything to do with the current club.

But it's the same club........:stirrer:

[Deansy]

Shocked that it's taken so long to find out what actually happened perhaps?



Nah - shocked that he's still in the job !!!

[jonty]

Arrest warrant issued for Whyte too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30053692


(doh must read all of thread before posting)

[grunt]

... which would render CG liable to arrest as well.


Here's me wondering what Caversham Green has done wrong ...?

[CropleyWasGod]

Here's me wondering what Caversham Green has done wrong ...?
Charged with disproving many, many Hibs.net myths.

Guilty as hell in my book.

[Radium]

Not sure which agent managed to get these through ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30053689

[Mr White]

Not sure which agent managed to get these through ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30053689

Team photos from that era often look as camp as a row of tents but the original that the t-shirt is based on is particularly so.

[lapsedhibee]

About time too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30053692

[Keith_M]

[originally posted this elsewhere but probably more appropriate here]


Rangers takeover probe increases in scope
The scope of the Police investigation into events at Ibrox has now extended to events up to October 2012, so now covers the period from Whyte buyout from Murray, through the Administration to the (questionable) sale of assets and subsequent Whyte/Green shenanigans.

Green hasn't been named (yet).......... but we live in hope.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...-club.25885297 (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/rangers-police-probe-events-after-green-took-over-at-club.25885297)

[Seveno]

Charged with disproving many, many Hibs.net myths.

Guilty as hell in my book.

Erm.....?who was it that kept on defending Duff and Duffer ?

if called as a character witness, would you find yourself otherwise engaged ?

[grunt]

Erm.....?who was it that kept on defending Duff and Duffer ?

if called as a character witness, would you find yourself otherwise engaged ?

Haha! Bang to rights! Throw away the key! 😊