Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[malcolm]

Just had an email from sports direct about the sevco new strips.. it did me a favour as actually got round to unsubscribing to sports direct but it was rather strange in that the strips were described as that of the ‘Rangers football club Ltd.’ The inclusion of a company name and not the name of the team seems downright weird as is one of the players saluting (are they trying to muscle into the hearts role of world war winners :wink:)

It also occurs that the strip maker risks being known evermore as Chavstore and that maybe the limited refers to a lack of something else.

[The Pointer]

Shows how low House of Fraser have sunk to sell Sevco strips.

[Spike Mandela]

How an 'imperfectly registered' player should be treated....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54256124

[O'Rourke3]

Shows how low House of Fraser have sunk to sell Sevco strips.Owned by Magic Mike Ashley. Just another branch of Soprts Direct.

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[jacomo]

Owned by Magic Mike Ashley. Just another branch of Soprts Direct.

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Jenners too.

I last went in there last summer - what a sad fall from grace for what was once an iconic department store.

[greenginger]

Jenners too.

I last went in there last summer - what a sad fall from grace for what was once an iconic department store.


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/26/revival-of-edinburghs-jenners-building-may-force-stores-departure

Ashley does not own the Jenner’s building.

[jacomo]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/26/revival-of-edinburghs-jenners-building-may-force-stores-departure

Ashley does not own the Jenner’s building.


His company operates the store though.

[greenginger]

I
His company operates the store though.


Yeah, but it could end up a unit at Edinburgh airport or an online operation.

[CropleyWasGod]

Season 9's plot...

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/29million-rangers-court-claim-against-23155084

[Moulin Yarns]

Season 9's plot...

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/29million-rangers-court-claim-against-23155084

🤞💵

Being financially minded, what are your thoughts?

[CropleyWasGod]

🤞💵

Being financially minded, what are your thoughts?

It's a case that could have been brought a while back. I think they've held off until the D&P actions against Police Scotland were dealt with.

On the face of it, they have a good case. There's no obvious commercial reason why the club was sold so cheaply.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's a case that could have been brought a while back. I think they've held off until the D&P actions against Police Scotland were dealt with.

On the face of it, they have a good case. There's no obvious commercial reason why the club was sold so cheaply.

So winnable. But no impact on the latest incarnation of The Rangers.

[Billy Whizz]

Season 9's plot...

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/29million-rangers-court-claim-against-23155084

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/29million-rangers-court-claim-against-23155084.amp

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/29million-rangers-court-claim-against-23155084.amp

That's the same link to the Daily Record.

[CropleyWasGod]

So winnable. But no impact on the latest incarnation of The Rangers.

None at all.

But... if it's won, along with the £25m that was recovered from Oldco's lawyers, it will be some result. And, as a bonus, it will increase the sense of grievance (albeit misplaced) that Oldco didn't need to be liquidated 😂

[Billy Whizz]

That's the same link to the Daily Record.

Crops link wasn’t working

[Moulin Yarns]

None at all.

But... if it's won, along with the £25m that was recovered from Oldco's lawyers, it will be some result. And, as a bonus, it will increase the sense of grievance (albeit misplaced) that Oldco didn't need to be liquidated 😂

As always, it's good to hear your views on these sort of things. :thumbsup:

[Keith_M]

Are they dead yet?

[greenginger]

It's a case that could have been brought a while back. I think they've held off until the D&P actions against Police Scotland were dealt with.

On the face of it, they have a good case. There's no obvious commercial reason why the club was sold so cheaply.

BDO have a brass neck highlighting the mismanagement of an administration process.

Bryan Jackson was with BDO when he was in charge of HoMFC’s administration and omitted to have a non- connected creditor vote which would have gone against the CVA being granted.

[Moulin Yarns]

Price fixing cartel when it comes to replica kits??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55329475

[Monts]

Price fixing cartel when it comes to replica kits??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55329475

I had always just assumed clubs/manufacturers could charge what they want. How does price fixing affect competition when it's football shirts? You're not going to buy a rangers top instead of a hibs top because it's cheaper?

[Keith_M]

Price fixing cartel when it comes to replica kits??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55329475


As Hibs only have one retail outlet, wouldn't that also be classified as price fixing?

Sounds nonsense to me

[Ozyhibby]

I had always just assumed clubs/manufacturers could charge what they want. How does price fixing affect competition when it's football shirts? You're not going to buy a rangers top instead of a hibs top because it's cheaper?

Rangers can sell the strip for what they want but they can’t dictate to retailers what they sell it for. Likewise retailers can’t agree prices with each other. The penalties for it can be very high.

https://vinciworks.com/blog/competition-law-understanding-price-fixing/

Decent explanation here.

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[Moulin Yarns]

As Hibs only have one retail outlet, wouldn't that also be classified as price fixing?

Sounds nonsense to me

As I sell unique items that nobody else does I can also fix price at what I think is reasonable.

[Monts]

Rangers can sell the strip for what they want but they can’t dictate to retailers what they sell it for. Likewise retailers can’t agree prices with each other. The penalties for it can be very high.

https://vinciworks.com/blog/competition-law-understanding-price-fixing/

Decent explanation here.

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That makes sense, cheers

[tamig]

Is that why they were wearing non-branded 1970s style strips tonight? Castore nowhere to be seen.

[Keith_M]

No Trophies --- 8 & 1/2 years and counting.

[jacomo]

No Trophies --- 8 & 1/2 years and counting.


They’ve gone public that they need to sell players next summer, so it feels like all or nothing this season.

[hibees 7062]

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[kaimendhibs]

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[hibees 7062]

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[jonty]

Concede a third goal in injury time to lose 3-2 you say..............

[ACLeith]

Concede a third goal in injury time to lose 3-2 you say..............

That club is just full of tradition

[weecounty hibby]

It is a lovely feeling knowing that just as they were becoming more and more arrogant and even more obnoxious than before they get a kick right in the stanes from St Mirren. I may have said this already but GURFUY HUNS!

[HoboHarry]

No Trophies --- 8 & 1/2 years and counting.
Aw hey now, they did win the Petrolheid cup.....

[Keith_M]

Aw hey now, they did win the Petrolheid cup.....


Yep, credit where it's due.

[Jones28]

It’s good to see the old girl back again 😂

[Carheenlea]

Watching games on the laptop I’ve not got out my seat once to celebrate a Hibs goal, even against Hearts in the semi. I was out my seat celebrating wildly at St Mirrens goal last night though. Felt like a goal of huge importance for Hibs - in similar vein to Hanlon’s Tynecastle equaliser.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Watching games on the laptop I’ve not got out my seat once to celebrate a Hibs goal, even against Hearts in the semi. I was out my seat celebrating wildly at St Mirrens goal last night though. Felt like a goal of huge importance for Hibs - in similar vein to Hanlon’s Tynecastle equaliser.

I logged in to watch the game after i heard it was 2-1, only for them to equalise. I thought to myself, that's Saints blew their chance but watched on. When they got their corners you just sensed something good was going to happen.

When it went 3-2 my Hun neighbour from across the street would have heard me, fantastic stuff.

:lolrangers:

Oh and for the Huns and Mini Huns love in......

:lolyam:

[Stonewall]

Concede a third goal in injury time to lose 3-2 you say..............

I like the sound of that.

[EI255]

Probably already been mentioned but don't Rangers hate a 2-3 reverse, especially a 92nd minute losing goal?

[emoji1787]

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[EI255]

Watched Ryan Kent seethe last night trying to claim a pen (which never was in a million years). He had a poor game (as he did vs Dundee Utd at the weekend) and the reason he's not playing for a bigger team.

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[Eyrie]

Probably already been mentioned but don't Rangers hate a 2-3 reverse, especially a 92nd minute losing goal?

[emoji1787]

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In an age of mindless copycats constantly influenced by the latest social media trends, I find it refreshing that a recently formed club is determinedly developing a tradition of its own devising.

[Keith_M]

Concede a third goal in injury time to lose 3-2 you say..............


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[Hibernia&Alba]

It's always a welcome sight to have the Huns thread on page 1 again, as you just know something has gone wrong for them. :greengrin

[Jones28]

Are they deid yet?

[Dalianwanda]

It's always a welcome sight to have the Huns thread on page 1 again, as you just know something has gone wrong for them. :greengrin
haha...I was just thinking that. I even ventured on the rangers media page first the first time in a year of so. They are very nervous of a loss of bottle from the team..

[Barney McGrew]

It would be highly amusing if Rangers have another meltdown and manage to lose the league from the position they’re in now

[Bostonhibby]

Are they deid yet?Voluntarily liquidated themselves to avoid creditor debt so large they couldn't ever pay it.

Fans walked away as well.

The now defunct Glasgow rangers.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

It would be highly amusing if Rangers have another meltdown and manage to lose the league from the position they’re in now

It would be glorious. Thirteen points ahead, having played two extra games. If Celtic can reduce the gap to seven, it isn't impossible. If Rangers go through a bad patch akin to Celtic's, it will be up for grabs. Very difficult but stranger things have happened.

[brog]

It would be highly amusing if Rangers have another meltdown and manage to lose the league from the position they’re in now


I doubt they will but Wednesday's result is a huge shot in the arm for Celtc (& the rest of Scottish football). Just what Celtc needed before Sunday!

[Since90+2]

Voluntarily liquidated themselves to avoid creditor debt so large they couldn't ever pay it.

Fans walked away as well.

The now defunct Glasgow rangers.

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To be fair their fans never walked away. They were getting nearly 50,000 in the bottom league.

[blackpoolhibs]

To be fair their fans never walked away. They were getting nearly 50,000 in the bottom league.

Of course they walked away, they all started watching another club.

[Bostonhibby]

To be fair their fans never walked away. They were getting nearly 50,000 in the bottom league.Yes, they rolled up in their masses to watch the reincarnation but were happy to leave behind all aspects of the now defunct Glasgow rangers past that weren't trophies or "traditions".

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[jacomo]

It would be highly amusing if Rangers have another meltdown and manage to lose the league from the position they’re in now


I’m not ruling it out.

Although a 2 game ban for ‘Alfredo’ probably helps their cause, given the form he’s in.

[Keith_M]

I’m not ruling it out.

Although a 2 game ban for ‘Alfredo’ probably helps their cause, given the form he’s in.


They should have been down to ten men for most of the game, which would have made a difference, but no he gets banned afterwards.


:rolleyes:

[CapitalGreen]

It would be highly amusing if Rangers have another meltdown and manage to lose the league from the position they’re in now

Celtic messing up 10IAR is far more enjoyable IMO. Unless it is us winning the league, I’ll continue to enjoy the Celtic implosion.

[Green Man]

Celtic messing up 10IAR is far more enjoyable IMO. Unless it is us winning the league, I’ll continue to enjoy the Celtic implosion.

It’s a win-win really. Celtic messing up, especially given the position of dominance they were in, will be funny. But if they do get themselves together and win it, the seethe from Rangers fans (new and old) will also be funny.

[660]

Not sure how anyone buys into this “both sides are as bad as each other” patter.

Celtic are just a hibs tribute act but rangers are one of the most loathsome clubs in world football. A disgusting club from fans to boardroom.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Celtic messing up 10IAR is far more enjoyable IMO. Unless it is us winning the league, I’ll continue to enjoy the Celtic implosion.

Massive difference: Celtic didn't evade tax, liquidate, leave behind over £100 million of debt but insist on keeping their trophies. In short, they didn't cheat.

[JimBHibees]

They should have been down to ten men for most of the game, which would have made a difference, but no he gets banned afterwards.


:rolleyes:

Yep happens all the time the team that should get the advantage don't get it. See numerous Derbies over the years surprisingly one sided though in terms of who gets the advantage they shouldn't.

[Smartie]

Massive difference: Celtic didn't evade tax, liquidate, leave behind over £100 million of debt but insist on keeping their trophies. In short, they didn't cheat.

I've taken a lifetime of sectarian bigotry from Rangers fans, in spite of the fact that I'm a protestant whose grandads were both Rangers fans themselves.

It's impossible not to reflect back the hatred they have rained on me from pretty much the first moment I got into football, from playground to present day.

If they blow it from here, it will be one of my favourite things in football, ever.

Celtic imploding has been funny and enjoyable but it doesn't even register on the scale of how great it would be if Rangers blew it.

That game the other night was one of my favourite non-Hibs or Scotland games ever, mainly from the "Hibs having a better chance of winning the cup" perspective but also from the one of Sevconian pain - of which there hasn't been nearly enough in recent months.

[worcesterhibby]

does anyone know why they were wearing the odd, unbranded shirts against St Mirren ? Have they fallen out with Castore ?

[LeithMike]

Celtic messing up 10IAR is far more enjoyable IMO. Unless it is us winning the league, I’ll continue to enjoy the Celtic implosion.For me its a bit like the Hilary Clinton v Donald Trump election. I was no fan of either and I thought it would be quite funny to see Hilary lose. I had forgotten how truly awful a President Trump would be and would def have supported HC with hindsight.

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[tamig]

does anyone know why they were wearing the odd, unbranded shirts against St Mirren ? Have they fallen out with Castore ?

Somebody posted a link the other night. Its a new “retro” shirt they launched a few months back. They said they’d be wearing it in selected games. Obviously hoping it would be a money spinner and got its first pre-Christmas outing on Wednesday night. I suspect we won’t be seeing it again. They’ll be flying off the shelves this week 😂

Edit - here’s the link - if you really must -

https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/introducing-the-rangers-special-edition-retro-kits/2Y6ypEa4l7QAXvkl4PuUMe

[Billy Whizz]

Somebody posted a link the other night. Its a new “retro” shirt they launched a few months back. They said they’d be wearing it in selected games. Obviously hoping it would be a money spinner and got its first pre-Christmas outing on Wednesday night. I suspect we won’t be seeing it again. They’ll be flying off the shelves this week 😂

Edit - here’s the link - if you really must -

https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/introducing-the-rangers-special-edition-retro-kits/2Y6ypEa4l7QAXvkl4PuUMe

£93 for the top and shorts, obviously not Retro prices

[Glory Lurker]

For me its a bit like the Hilary Clinton v Donald Trump election. I was no fan of either and I thought it would be quite funny to see Hilary lose. I had forgotten how truly awful a President Trump would be and would def have supported HC with hindsight.

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Brilliant analogy!

[Oscar T Grouch]

Interesting article here

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rangers-outline-transfer-strategy-to-erase-deficit-in-18-months-but-no-fire-sale-of-steven-gerrards-squad-3251201

The huns will finally wipe their deficit in 18 months when they will have amassed around £100m worth of debt in just 10 years (they have basically overspent more than our whole turnover each and every year of their existence!!). I would guess that this would include them qualifying for the group stages of the CL next season and winning the league again next season for auto qualification into the group stages. There really is no hope for any other teams outside the ugly sisters to ever win the league in Scotland again. If a team can amass £100m worth of losses to win one league title then there is no hope. I also find it amazing that a team that cost £1 with assets sold for £5m just 9 years ago get 'investment' of this level.

[Hibs Class]

Interesting article here

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rangers-outline-transfer-strategy-to-erase-deficit-in-18-months-but-no-fire-sale-of-steven-gerrards-squad-3251201

The huns will finally wipe their deficit in 18 months when they will have amassed around £100m worth of debt in just 10 years (they have basically overspent more than our whole turnover each and every year of their existence!!). I would guess that this would include them qualifying for the group stages of the CL next season and winning the league again next season for auto qualification into the group stages. There really is no hope for any other teams outside the ugly sisters to ever win the league in Scotland again. If a team can amass £100m worth of losses to win one league title then there is no hope. I also find it amazing that a team that cost £1 with assets sold for £5m just 9 years ago get 'investment' of this level.

Guess we just have to cross fingers and hope that they fall at the first CL hurdle next year - think they would still get into EL group stages but that's worth a lot less.

[Hibby70]

I see the police have release some pictures of offenders.

Some interesting looking characters in there. Plus they also want to speak to that nice young lady who was just expressing her desire to be from Pakistan.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i don't think they will catch No 13, several should be easliy recognisable

Rangers fan disorder images released by police - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57288851)


i'm sure plenty will recognise the repugnant singer

[Bostonhibby]

i don't think they will catch No 13, several should be easliy recognisable

Rangers fan disorder images released by police - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57288851)


i'm sure plenty will recognise the repugnant singerIs number 10 Eddie the Eagle?

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[Irish_Steve]

Is 15 Ryan Stevenson, the tattooed freak?

[Lancs Harp]

All of them are Lee Wallace. Two can play the grassing game :wink:

[AliboyFC]

Is 15 Ryan Stevenson, the tattooed freak?

Nowt wrong with tats

[AliboyFC]

I see the police have release some pictures of offenders.

Some interesting looking characters in there. Plus they also want to speak to that nice young lady who was just expressing her desire to be from Pakistan.

Tbh I know she was a tramp but technically she wasn't being racist or doing anything wrong. It is that Pakistani hun behind her who made that song up she is just singing it with him.

[AliboyFC]

Tbh I know she was a tramp but technically she wasn't being racist or doing anything wrong. It is that Pakistani hun behind her who made that song up she is just singing it with him.

He always sings it.

[Hibby70]

Tbh I know she was a tramp but technically she wasn't being racist or doing anything wrong. It is that Pakistani hun behind her who made that song up she is just singing it with him.

I beg to differ. She is clearly being racist.

[Hibby70]

Nowt wrong with tats

I also disagree with you on this point.

[CropleyWasGod]

Tbh I know she was a tramp but technically she wasn't being racist or doing anything wrong. It is that Pakistani hun behind her who made that song up she is just singing it with him.

Tramp?

[AliboyFC]

I beg to differ. She is clearly being racist.

But do you know who I am talking about. She is with him and I'm pretty sure he was laughing.

[AliboyFC]

Tramp?

A chav

[AliboyFC]

I also disagree with you on this point.

Depends what you get on the tats 😂

[CropleyWasGod]

A chav

I know what a tramp is when it's used to describe a woman
I'm more interested in how you come to that conclusion based on a short video, but defend her behaviour.

[AliboyFC]

I know what a tramp is when it's used to describe a woman
I'm more interested in how you come to that conclusion based on a short video, but defend her apparent racism.

She's a rangers fan and she was making a fool of herself. But I still believe that she didn't mean that chant to be racist but who knows.

[CropleyWasGod]

She's a rangers fan and she was making a fool of herself. But I still believe that she didn't mean that chant to be racist but who knows.

We clearly disagree on the definition of "tramp". 😉

[bringbackbenny]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4061116320637423&id=424982944250797&set=a.4061116010637454

Meatloaf shouldn't be too hard to find :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4061116320637423&id=424982944250797&set=a.4061116010637454

Meatloaf shouldn't be too hard to find :wink:

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Eyrie]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4061116320637423&id=424982944250797&set=a.4061116010637454

Meatloaf shouldn't be too hard to find :wink:

Dead ringer for him.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4061116320637423&id=424982944250797&set=a.4061116010637454

Meatloaf shouldn't be too hard to find :wink:

Need to go like a bat out of hell to catch him.

[Bostonhibby]

Need to go like a bat out of hell to catch him.Looks more like his less successful brother Half Loaf.

I'll get my coat.

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[Smartie]

She's a rangers fan and she was making a fool of herself. But I still believe that she didn't mean that chant to be racist but who knows.

If you don’t want your chanting to appear racist then there are words, terminologies and sentiments that are best left out.

I have zero sympathy for her.

[CraigHibee]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4061116320637423&id=424982944250797&set=a.4061116010637454

Meatloaf shouldn't be too hard to find :wink:

He would do anything for bucky

[CraigHibee]

She's a rangers fan and she was making a fool of herself. But I still believe that she didn't mean that chant to be racist but who knows.

If she doesn't realise that using the P word is offensive/racist then she is an absolute clown. She probably didn't think the video would be shared however she deserves all she gets imo. They seem to get away with the bigoted crap

[ian cruise]

If you don’t want your chanting to appear racist then there are words, terminologies and sentiments that are best left out.

I have zero sympathy for her.

Horrendous language, how anyone can think it's anything but racist is beyond my comprehension I'm afraid. The whole "I'd rather be a than a" song suggests there is something wrong with the former but the latter is worse.

[ian cruise]

If she doesn't realise that using the P word is offensive/racist then she is an absolute clown. She probably didn't think the video would be shared however she deserves all she gets imo. They seem to get away with the bigoted crap

I'm actually ashamed there is a Hibs fan(s) who can't see why this is unacceptable. It's one of the most blatant displays of racism in football for a while

[HoboHarry]

On a different note, weren't Sevco meant to learn the monetary amount they were to pay MA last week? Anyone know what the award was?

[Lendo]

I’ve missed this thread.

[Moulin Yarns]

HMRC had planned to liquidate the old club according to the Herald

[blackpoolhibs]

Tbh I know she was a tramp but technically she wasn't being racist or doing anything wrong. It is that Pakistani hun behind her who made that song up she is just singing it with him.

She's just a 90 minute bigot.

[CropleyWasGod]

HMRC had planned to liquidate the old club according to the Herald

I'm not sure what the news is there. HMRC voted against the CVA, which means they were in favour of liquidation.

And it was them who initiated the administration process.

[greenginger]

HMRC had planned to liquidate the old club according to the Herald

And, is it being suggested this did not happen?

[AliboyFC]

If you don’t want your chanting to appear racist then there are words, terminologies and sentiments that are best left out.

I have zero sympathy for her.

Aye fair enough she shouldn't have said it.

[Killiehibbie]

And, is it being suggested this did not happen?

Just won their 55th title. If liquidation had happened it would be the first for the new club who play at Ibrox and use the same name as the defunct club.

[AliboyFC]

Does anyone actually believe rangers are a new club or is it just for the banter 😂

[HFC93]

Tbh I know she was a tramp but technically she wasn't being racist or doing anything wrong. It is that Pakistani hun behind her who made that song up she is just singing it with him.

Racism is racism. A 70s take on racism for a 16 year old.

[CropleyWasGod]

Just won their 55th title. If liquidation had happened it would be the first for the new club who play at Ibrox and use the same name as the defunct club.

Liquidation did happen.

[CropleyWasGod]

Does anyone actually believe rangers are a new club or is it just for the banter 😂

....sits on hands.....🤐

[Since452]

Tbh I know she was a tramp but technically she wasn't being racist or doing anything wrong. It is that Pakistani hun behind her who made that song up she is just singing it with him.

So she is just a thick as mince moron then?

[Bostonhibby]

Liquidation did happen.Voluntarily liquidated themselves to avoid paying the creditors, ergo, they did do walking away?

Then actually set up an entirely new entity with a couple of different names, so if it was good enough for those associated with the now defunct Glasgow rangers to go to all that trouble to distance themselves I think the least we should all do is treat them as the new business they are.[emoji6]

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[CropleyWasGod]

Voluntarily liquidated themselves to avoid paying the creditors, ergo, they did do walking away?

Then actually set up an entirely new entity with a couple of different names, so if it was good enough for those associated with the now defunct Glasgow rangers to go to all that trouble to distance themselves I think the least we should all do is treat them as the new business they are.[emoji6]

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They didn't liquidate themselves. It was forced on them by their creditors.

[Bostonhibby]

They didn't liquidate themselves. It was forced on them by their creditors.I always prefer to think they meekly limped towards it rather that avoiding the humiliation by just paying their debts.

And no respected subject matter expert will ever convince me otherwise[emoji16]

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[PatHead]

Deid and don't let any experts tell you otherwise!

[Rumble de Thump]

Does anyone actually believe rangers are a new club or is it just for the banter 😂

Rangers are an old club. Sevco are a new one. Everybody knows that. Sevco fans just can't hack it though.

[greenginger]

Deid and don't let any experts tell you otherwise!


https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC004276

the original Rangers changed their name to RFC 2012 and the corpse is lying in some liquidators office. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC004276

the original Rangers changed their name to RFC 2012 and the corpse is lying in some liquidators office. :greengrin

It isn't a corpse yet. 😁 It still has some life in it, and is suing Duff and Phelps for £56.8m.

[Moulin Yarns]

It isn't a corpse yet. 😁 It still has some life in it, and is suing Duff and Phelps for £56.8m.

Is that you saying that they are not the same *club, company, business, entity?

*delete according to personal preferences 😉

[Eyrie]

It isn't a corpse yet. 😁 It still has some life in it, and is suing Duff and Phelps for £56.8m.

So if the liquidated Huns corpse still has some life in it, it can't be the same as the equally vile Sevco that just spent its way to the league title :greengrin

[oldbutdim]

It isn't a corpse yet. 😁 It still has some life in it, and is suing Duff and Phelps for £56.8m.

So confusing.......

If that was successful - would The Rangers get the benefit?

[CropleyWasGod]

So confusing.......

If that was successful - would The Rangers get the benefit?

No. It would go to the creditors (including you and I) and the lawyers etc involved.

It might have the side effect of fuelling the myth that the liquidation should never have happened. But if that winds up the hordes, so be it.

[greenginger]

No. It would go to the creditors (including you and I) and the lawyers etc involved.

It might have the side effect of fuelling the myth that the liquidation should never have happened. But if that winds up the hordes, so be it.


Why would it be Duff and Phelps fault that there was no offers for Rangers Football Club that the creditors , mainly HMRC, would accept ?

[oldbutdim]

No. It would go to the creditors (including you and I) and the lawyers etc involved.

It might have the side effect of fuelling the myth that the liquidation should never have happened. But if that winds up the hordes, so be it.

Thanks.
Sounds a decent outcome if it comes to pass.

[CropleyWasGod]

Why would it be Duff and Phelps fault that there was no offers for Rangers Football Club that the creditors , mainly HMRC, would accept ?

It's the add-on to the CVA that is the issue. That is what is they are being sued for just now. That they could have got more for the creditors than they did.

Other than that, like I say it's a myth that the insolvency or the liquidation should never have happened.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Rangers are an old club. Sevco are a new one. Everybody knows that. Sevco fans just can't hack it though.

But they were allowed to keep their history and trophies, which still rankles. They should have been told by UEFA and the SFA, "right you *****, this is day one for your new club; get on with it".

[Caversham Green]

Does anyone actually believe rangers are a new club or is it just for the banter 😂

If they were the same club they would have suffered a nine point penalty in the season when the insolvency event occurred and remained in the top flight for the following season. That's all the rules realistically allowed for. They might well have achieved the 55th title they wrongly claim to have done now. What happened is that the new club were given favourable treatment because of the financial clout they carried into the game. The club that won the premiership this season is the club that replaced Rangers or TCTRR to save future typing.

[Eyrie]

But they were allowed to keep their history and trophies, which still rankles. They should have been told by UEFA and the SFA, "right you *****, this is day one for your new club; get on with it".

Long time ago now, but I thought that Sevco bought all that from the liquidators.

For one pound. Our noxious neighbours missed a trick there.

[HoboHarry]

Long time ago now, but I thought that Sevco bought all that from the liquidators.

For one pound. Our noxious neighbours missed a trick there.
It was more important for them to put that pound towards a periscope so they could see the castle.....

[Hibernia&Alba]

Long time ago now, but I thought that Sevco bought all that from the liquidators.

For one pound. Our noxious neighbours missed a trick there.

They bought over a hundred trophies for a pound. Hibs have missed a trick here.

[CropleyWasGod]

They bought over a hundred trophies for a pound. Hibs have missed a trick here.


IIRC, £5 was allocated to "intangibles" (they might have used another word). That included the badges, the "brand", something else, a couple of things that they didn't have the right to sell (SPL share and SFA membership, which had to be returned). There may also have been a songbook or 2 in there. :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

Three boxes of flutes?

[Killiehibbie]

Liquidation did happen.

And we should never let them and their pals in the media forget it.

[EI255]

She's just a 90 minute bigot.With Rangers fans, its way, way worse than that.

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[Eyrie]

IIRC, £5 was allocated to "intangibles" (they might have used another word). That included the badges, the "brand", something else, a couple of things that they didn't have the right to sell (SPL share and SFA membership, which had to be returned). There may also have been a songbook or 2 in there. :greengrin

Gotcha.

Could you imagine how much the liquidator could have got for the badges, the "brand", something else and a couple of things that they didn't have the right to sell if he hadn't insisted that the buyer had to take the songbook as well?

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/rangers-announce-fan-share-offering/5tbfQ96feSYaCk7tcPghwA

Begging bowl out again

[HoboHarry]

https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/rangers-announce-fan-share-offering/5tbfQ96feSYaCk7tcPghwA

Begging bowl out again
Wonder if the dafties have learned how much in damages they have to pay Mike Ashley and need the cash?

[Kato]

She's just a 90 minute bigot.She spreads that 90 minutes through the week to as and when she wants to say racist stuff.

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[007]

https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/rangers-announce-fan-share-offering/5tbfQ96feSYaCk7tcPghwA

Begging bowl out again

How does that work again? They'll be getting shares in the 10 year old company which, according them, is totally separate from the club that continued after the previous company went bust. So they won't actually be buying into the entity which has won any of the trophies.

[greenginger]

How does that work again? They'll be getting shares in the 10 year old company which, according them, is totally separate from the club that continued after the previous company went bust. So they won't actually be buying into the entity which has won any of the trophies.

Except, there was no previous separation of club and company, so the company that went bust in 2012 was the football club that won 54 titles.

Suppose one advantage for the new club is they can’t be blamed for the carnage in Manchester, Barcelona etc.

[HoboHarry]

Except, there was no previous separation of club and company, so the company that went bust in 2012 was the football club that won 54 titles.

Suppose one advantage for the new club is they can’t be blamed for the carnage in Manchester, Barcelona etc.
In their feeble minds they bear no responsibility for the damage in George Square a couple of weeks ago either....

[Hibs Class]

https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/rangers-announce-fan-share-offering/5tbfQ96feSYaCk7tcPghwA

Begging bowl out again

Have they by any chance mentioned 55 titles and that they are around 150 years old?

[HoboHarry]

Have they by any chance mentioned 55 titles and that they are around 150 years old?
There'll be a lot of tv's being passed out of windows to try and raise money to buy in to that scheme.....

[Bostonhibby]

There'll be a lot of tv's being passed out of windows to try and raise money to buy in to that scheme.....[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[007]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19346156.judge-starts-same-club-debate-experts-argue-whether-rangers-fans-support-another-team/

The Glasgow Blues 😀

[ahibby]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19346156.judge-starts-same-club-debate-experts-argue-whether-rangers-fans-support-another-team/

The Glasgow Blues 😀

To the tune if Rule Britania

Liii quidation
The Rangers cant be saved
The Rangers never never never
Can be saved

[AliboyFC]

To the tune if Rule Britania

Liii quidation
The Rangers cant be saved
The Rangers never never never
Can be saved

We should song that to rangers fans when we get back in grounds. :rotflmao::rotflmao:

[CropleyWasGod]

A summary of where we are up to in Season 10


https://www.creditstrategy.co.uk/turnaround-restructuring-insolvency-news/turnaround-restructuring-and-insolvency-news/bdo-suit-against-former-rangersrsquo-administrators-what-wersquove-learnt

[CropleyWasGod]

A bit of a blow to the liquidators and the creditors.

http://https://www.thenational.scot/news/19629251.rangers-should-sold-ibrox-stadium-going-administration/?ref=rss

Only awarded £3.4m in their case against D&P, rather than the £47m they were seeking.

However, it does confirm that D&P didn't do their job properly.

It remains to be seen whether BDO will appeal.

[HoboHarry]

A bit of a blow to the liquidators and the creditors.

http://https://www.thenational.scot/news/19629251.rangers-should-sold-ibrox-stadium-going-administration/?ref=rss

Only awarded £3.4m in their case against D&P, rather than the £47m they were seeking.

However, it does confirm that D&P didn't do their job properly.

It remains to be seen whether BDO will appeal.
The Govan dafties will think the money will be available for transfers in January lol.......

[Mick O'Rourke]

To the tune if Rule Britania

Liii quidation
The Rangers cant be saved
The Rangers never never never
Can be saved

Tell all the huns you know
That the rAngers are died and no more
The club could not pay, so the huns walked away
So old rangers is deed and no more

[greenginger]

A bit of a blow to the liquidators and the creditors.

http://https://www.thenational.scot/news/19629251.rangers-should-sold-ibrox-stadium-going-administration/?ref=rss

Only awarded £3.4m in their case against D&P, rather than the £47m they were seeking.

However, it does confirm that D&P didn't do their job properly.

It remains to be seen whether BDO will appeal.


That’ll be the same BDO who handled the Hearts administration and awarded a CVA when the creditors vote was actually against the CVA.

[Renton1875]

Thought this was pretty funny.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/six-football-teams-exclusively-supported-by-twats-20210811211044

Rangers

"Definitely the more repellent half of the Old Firm rivalry, perhaps because they’ve no Pope of Rome to provide spiritual guidance. In a movie going into administration and rising back up the ranks would be a journey that made the team and their fans better people. In real life? No"

[O'Rourke3]

Thought this was pretty funny.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/six-football-teams-exclusively-supported-by-twats-20210811211044

Rangers

"Definitely the more repellent half of the Old Firm rivalry, perhaps because they’ve no Pope of Rome to provide spiritual guidance. In a movie going into administration and rising back up the ranks would be a journey that made the team and their fans better people. In real life? No"Whole article pretty well thought out.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Thought this was pretty funny.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/six-football-teams-exclusively-supported-by-twats-20210811211044

Rangers

"Definitely the more repellent half of the Old Firm rivalry, perhaps because they’ve no Pope of Rome to provide spiritual guidance. In a movie going into administration and rising back up the ranks would be a journey that made the team and their fans better people. In real life? No"

Except that in real life they went into admin and only came out dead in a box.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/scottishsunrangers.jpg

[Scorrie]

Thought this was pretty funny.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/six-football-teams-exclusively-supported-by-twats-20210811211044

Rangers

"Definitely the more repellent half of the Old Firm rivalry, perhaps because they’ve no Pope of Rome to provide spiritual guidance. In a movie going into administration and rising back up the ranks would be a journey that made the team and their fans better people. In real life? No"

Statement incoming…

[Bostonhibby]

Statement incoming…Indeed, really can't see their fans liking the bit about becoming better people, or any form of self improvement at all.



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[Ryan91]

Thought this was pretty funny.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/six-football-teams-exclusively-supported-by-twats-20210811211044

Rangers

"Definitely the more repellent half of the Old Firm rivalry, perhaps because they’ve no Pope of Rome to provide spiritual guidance. In a movie going into administration and rising back up the ranks would be a journey that made the team and their fans better people. In real life? No"

A bit of a shame that the author of the article neglected to add "quite the opposite in fact" after that "No".

I mean they were a horrid bunch before, but now they seem even more bitter, twisted and hateful

[Keith_M]

Here's a really good article by Gordon Waddell from 2019 on the ugly side of the fans of both The Rangers and Celtic... as well as the failure of the SPFL/SFA to do anything about it.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-rangers-sectarian-chants-reported-14041759


"There are so many threads to pull on this issue but the saddest aspect is that most of them are exactly the same ones this column hoped it would, at some point, stop pulling when it started 25 years ago."

"Yet here we are, in 2019, still having to listen to men being called Fenian b******s and Orange b******s by thousands, often tens of thousands, still having to listen to the choral wing of the Provisional IRA poison the air in the away ends at every ground in the country, and still having to answer ‘zero’ to the question: What is anyone doing about it?’"

[BegbieHSC]

Huns at their tactless best on social media again.

Playing the tune to the ‘Famine Song’ on a video for their anniversary shirt, claiming to have 150 years of history.

Shameless, despicable club. They can claim it’s innocent and the tune of another song, but given Huns were arrested for racism for their version of that tune, they can’t claim it’s anything other than sectarian dogwhistling to their demented support.

[CentreLine]

Huns at their tactless best on social media again.

Playing the tune to the ‘Famine Song’ on a video for their anniversary shirt, claiming to have 150 years of history.

Shameless, despicable club. They can claim it’s innocent and the tune of another song, but given Huns were arrested for racism for their version of that tune, they can’t claim it’s anything other than sectarian dogwhistling to their demented support.

That’s outrageous. Surely it’s some random, unrelated agency running an advert the club have no connection with??? If not, the club with no history also has no shame.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Huns at their tactless best on social media again.

Playing the tune to the ‘Famine Song’ on a video for their anniversary shirt, claiming to have 150 years of history.

Shameless, despicable club. They can claim it’s innocent and the tune of another song, but given Huns were arrested for racism for their version of that tune, they can’t claim it’s anything other than sectarian dogwhistling to their demented support.

Absolutely appalling, and I'm genuinely surprised they've been so blatant - which can only have been done with intent, knowing how it will be received.
A thoroughly disgusting institution.

[Bishop Hibee]

Huns at their tactless best on social media again.

Playing the tune to the ‘Famine Song’ on a video for their anniversary shirt, claiming to have 150 years of history.

Shameless, despicable club. They can claim it’s innocent and the tune of another song, but given Huns were arrested for racism for their version of that tune, they can’t claim it’s anything other than sectarian dogwhistling to their demented support.

Under the guise of “4 Men Had a Dream” to the same tune. Taking the total piss. At least David Murray tried to tackle the cancer, banning the playing of ‘Simply the Best’ due to the persistent ‘add-ons’ chanted by Rangers fans. New club actively encourage the fans to be bigoted.

[degenerated]

That’s outrageous. Surely it’s some random, unrelated agency running an advert the club have no connection with??? If not, the club with no history also has no shame.I wouldn't have thought so

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/rangers-appoint-senior-orange-order-21702050.amp

[Keith_M]

That’s outrageous. Surely it’s some random, unrelated agency running an advert the club have no connection with??? If not, the club with no history also has no shame.


You'd think so but sadly not.


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On another The Rangers subject: Gerrard has been ranting on again about the SPFL daring to finsih the league early in 2020 and declaring Celtc as champions and relegating Hearts.

[degenerated]

You'd think so but sadly not.


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On another The Rangers subject: Gerrard has been ranting on again about the SPFL daring to finsih the league early in 2020 and declaring Celtc as champions and relegating Hearts.Boohoo, poor Gerrard. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/66f529074898619e2a726a62ce54fcdc.jpg

[O'Rourke3]

The use of the tune is as blatent as the Dutch tribute Orange strips.

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[Pretty Boy]

I said it on the Porteous thread the other day. Why would Rangers change?

They know fine well no one will really stand up to them and everyone just falls into line when they demand it. They'll rub everyone's noses in it with this nonsense. A few people will complain, Michael Stewart will eventually be cancelled like Jim Spence was for speaking the truth and then it will all die down.

They are hypocrites and bullies and it seems only a handful in Scottish football have the balls to stand up to them.

[Berwickhibby]

Just for info I described Lungstram a dirty fouling Hun on Facebook and that is now regarded as hate speech and I got a 7 day ban. Unbelievably when you consider the amount of bile posted by Huns

[CentreLine]

I wouldn't have thought so

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/rangers-appoint-senior-orange-order-21702050.amp

Yeh, sadly I kind of knew I was asking a rhetorical question. The authorities need to address this right here and now.

[CentreLine]

The use of the tune is as blatent as the Dutch tribute Orange strips.

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Is say it’s worse as it’s pretty clear it’s justifying actions for which some of their followers are likely to be facing criminal charges.

[degenerated]

Just for info I described Lungstram a dirty fouling Hun on Facebook and that is now regarded as hate speech and I got a 7 day ban. Unbelievably when you consider the amount of bile posted by HunsBlame Nil by mouth for that, they are the ones that pandered to the huns claims and promoted the falsehood that it was sectarian.

[Radium]

Blame Nil by mouth for that, they are the ones that pandered to the huns claims and promoted the falsehood that it was sectarian.

https://twitter.com/nbmscotland/status/1448956465297993729?s=21

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[degenerated]

https://twitter.com/nbmscotland/status/1448956465297993729?s=21

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/83f1b89e0a4154193635a97ce2224e0b.png


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI think you may have misinterpreted my post. I was criticising them for leading the charge for having the word "Hun" being considered as sectarian.

[Smartie]

They’re going to sail too close to the wind very soon.

Utterly despicable institution.

[cabbageandribs1875]

their shares must be worth something like 0000000.01p or thereabouts :greengrin


Dilute
Dilute
Dilute Dilute Dilute

[Radium]

I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I was criticising them for leading the charge for having the word "Hun" being considered as sectarian.

I wasn’t challenging you or your post just highlighting the public stance NBM have taken on this occasion. They have touched a nerve and were fairly scathingly

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/a34ffab037b350ebd265183de9e2afb6.png


You are right they have been part of the problem in allowing a false equivalence around anti-catholic hatred to form.


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[degenerated]

I wasn’t challenging you or your post just highlighting the public stance NBM have taken on this occasion. They have touched a nerve and were fairly scathingly

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/a34ffab037b350ebd265183de9e2afb6.png


You are right they have been part of the problem in allowing a false equivalence around anti-catholic hatred to form.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkCan't fault their response in this instance. I couldn't agree more about the equivocating though.

[HoboHarry]

As appalling as that club is it's still, even for them, astonishing that their high command would think that was a good idea. Breathtakingly stupid and undermines their own complaints about the treatment of their own player Kamara. Gerrard must be privately embarrassed.....

[CentreLine]

Blame Nil by mouth for that, they are the ones that pandered to the huns claims and promoted the falsehood that it was sectarian.

You have a fair point but the definition of racially offensive language/behaviour includes that ‘if any person believes it to be’ then it has to be treated as racially offensive language/behaviour. Now I realise that is overarching but I expect the definition applies to sectarian or bigoted language/behaviour too. 🤔

Thing is it’s a two way street and if we are to address this behaviour then there are things we may not understand or agree with but we must suck up. If we don’t then nothing moves forward I’m afraid.

[degenerated]

You have a fair point but the definition of racially offensive language/behaviour includes that ‘if any person believes it to be’ then it has to be treated as racially offensive language/behaviour. Now I realise that is overarching but I expect the definition applies to sectarian or bigoted language/behaviour too. [emoji848]

Thing is it’s a two way street and if we are to address this behaviour then there are things we may not understand or agree with but we must suck up. If we don’t then nothing moves forward I’m afraid.That's a fair point but we have to be careful not to get caught up in whataboutery, which is exactly how the term Hun started getting portrayed as being sectarian.

[MrSmith]

Just for info I described Lungstram a dirty fouling Hun on Facebook and that is now regarded as hate speech and I got a 7 day ban. Unbelievably when you consider the amount of bile posted by Huns

I politely put forward factual info regarding Scot.gov to one of them who in turn, wouldn’t even look at it and proceeded to call me a pedophile, all on view on Facebook. I naturally defended myself not aggressively although, I had to hold myself back, but still got a one month jail sentence from FB, he or she or it, nothing!

I removed myself from all aspects of social media after that and now have a much more peaceful time away from those ignorant knuckledraggers.

[CentreLine]

That's a fair point but we have to be careful not to get caught up in whataboutery, which is exactly how the term Hun started getting portrayed as being sectarian.

I couldn’t agree more. The legislation does seem to leave itself open to “pick a word or phrase” but it is really easy for us to stop using hun as there are so many more words that describe the unacceptable, racist, sectarian, bigoted, aggressive behaviour of the average Orc.

[CMurdoch]

You have a fair point but the definition of racially offensive language/behaviour includes that ‘if any person believes it to be’ then it has to be treated as racially offensive language/behaviour. Now I realise that is overarching but I expect the definition applies to sectarian or bigoted language/behaviour too. ��

Thing is it’s a two way street and if we are to address this behaviour then there are things we may not understand or agree with but we must suck up. If we don’t then nothing moves forward I’m afraid.

95% of supporters don't understand this.
It's them that are out of step not Nil By Mouth.
I was at the last Hibs v Rangers game we were able to attend at Easter Road. It was a Friday night just before Christmas.
I happened to be sober but most other supporters around me in the East were well oiled and the level of hate coming out of them was off the scale. Contorted faces of hate, hun ******* this and orange ******* that, all the while gesticulating aggressively towards the Rangers supporters.
Sad, pathetic, unpleasant, embarrassing and very much part of the problem.
The Rangers supporters started all this hate decades ago but a hater is a hater whatever colours they wear and hate is at the centre of this issue.

[jacomo]

Can't fault their response in this instance. I couldn't agree more about the equivocating though.


:agree:

Unfortunately I’m not sure Nil by Mouth can recover their legitimacy. They got dragged into whataboutery and for me it has fatally undermined their message.

[jacomo]

You have a fair point but the definition of racially offensive language/behaviour includes that ‘if any person believes it to be’ then it has to be treated as racially offensive language/behaviour. Now I realise that is overarching but I expect the definition applies to sectarian or bigoted language/behaviour too. 🤔

Thing is it’s a two way street and if we are to address this behaviour then there are things we may not understand or agree with but we must suck up. If we don’t then nothing moves forward I’m afraid.


Nope, it’s preposterous and simply encourages Rangers to continue to deflect and point the finger rather than face up to their problem.

What’s the next word to be deemed racially offensive? Sevco?

[CMurdoch]

Nope, it’s preposterous and simply encourages Rangers to continue to deflect and point the finger rather than face up to their problem.

What’s the next word to be deemed racially offensive? Sevco?

No, Sevco does not dehumanise them whereas calling them huns does.
The same as folk calling sex offenders paedo's and beasts.

[malcolm]

No, Sevco does not dehumanise them whereas calling them huns does.

No I’m quite certain that Atilla and his army were all human. This label is somehow different to an ‘Orc’ which is ostensibly acceptable? I’ve always seen hun as being insightfully descriptive of behaviour that gave rise to it and not in any way sectarian in origin. The fact that as a group they themselves appear to have distinct sectarian leanings should not have mattered. Even the Prussian huns would have been almost entirely Lutheran Protestants. :wink:

[CMurdoch]

No I’m quite certain that Atilla and his army were all human. This label is somehow different to an ‘Orc’ which is ostensibly acceptable? I’ve always seen hun as being insightfully descriptive of behaviour that gave rise to it and not in any way sectarian in origin. The fact that as a group they themselves appear to have distinct sectarian leanings should not have mattered. Even the Prussian huns would have been almost entirely Lutheran Protestants. :wink:

I don't know what they think about being compared to fictional or mythological monsters
I blame Morgoth for creating them.

[wookie70]

No, Sevco does not dehumanise them whereas calling them huns does.
The same as folk calling sex offenders paedo's and beasts.

The term is used to describe their behaviour - a barbarous, destructive person; vandal.

It describes the type of humans they are as a group. It is usually used to describe them as a group ie Go home you Huns, The Hun B's. I hate the term paedos being thrown around at fitba but see that as totally different. The The fans act in a anti Catholin way en masse, they have destroyed city centres en masse too. This isn't all of them being targeted for an individuals behaviour it is them being described as a group. Calling a group of fans paedos because they have a player with a chequered past is totally different imo.

I actually agree with lots of your points though. Being as big a hater as them probably isn't the best response. However, have you ever tried to talk to the Police or Stewards about the behaviour you are witnessing. They simply aren't interested. The fact the authorities allow the behaviour we see from The The fans is the reason you get the reaction. I would like to see if an organised campaign where opposition supporters got together to report sectarian abuse while charging themselves to stop using language deemed to be hateful by others. It would lead nowhere but it would confirm that this type of behaviour is fine in a modern Scotland and probably embolden them to go even further. They are completely Brazen as it is.

[Tommy75]

Thought this was pretty funny.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/six-football-teams-exclusively-supported-by-twats-20210811211044

Rangers

"Definitely the more repellent half of the Old Firm rivalry, perhaps because they’ve no Pope of Rome to provide spiritual guidance. In a movie going into administration and rising back up the ranks would be a journey that made the team and their fans better people. In real life? No"


That last sentence could also apply to Hearts.

[CMurdoch]

The term is used to describe their behaviour - a barbarous, destructive person; vandal.

It describes the type of humans they are as a group. It is usually used to describe them as a group ie Go home you Huns, The Hun B's. I hate the term paedos being thrown around at fitba but see that as totally different. The The fans act in a anti Catholin way en masse, they have destroyed city centres en masse too. This isn't all of them being targeted for an individuals behaviour it is them being described as a group. Calling a group of fans paedos because they have a player with a chequered past is totally different imo.

I actually agree with lots of your points though. Being as big a hater as them probably isn't the best response. However, have you ever tried to talk to the Police or Stewards about the behaviour you are witnessing. They simply aren't interested. The fact the authorities allow the behaviour we see from The The fans is the reason you get the reaction. I would like to see if an organised campaign where opposition supporters got together to report sectarian abuse while charging themselves to stop using language deemed to be hateful by others. It would lead nowhere but it would confirm that this type of behaviour is fine in a modern Scotland and probably embolden them to go even further. They are completely Brazen as it is.

I've never thought that it was reasonable to hassle police or stewards about thousands of people singing sectarian songs. Nothing they can reasonably do about it.
It's gone on for the 50 years I have been going to games and it should have been sorted out by the SPFL or the Scottish Govt decades ago.
Given the clubs are the SPFL and the SPFL are the clubs they will never sort it out themselves so need to have their hand forced by the Scottish Govt if we are ever to move on.

[Rumble de Thump]

Nobody believes the term hun is sectarian. Some people want everyone to pretend it is due to deflection and whataboutery. Just like some people want everyone to pretend Rangers didn't die. It's important to acknowledge the stark difference between belief and wishful thinking.

[A Hi-Bee]

That's a fair point but we have to be careful not to get caught up in whataboutery, which is exactly how the term Hun started getting portrayed as being sectarian.

**** the hun its about as offensive as the Scots being called jocks, **** them they is all huns.
:cb

[degenerated]

**** the hun its about as offensive as the Scots being called jocks, **** them they is all huns.
:cbExactly :greengrin

[FilipinoHibs]

Exactly :greengrin

Jocks and Scotch are all annoying but says nothing about our character. Huns sums that club's behaviour by many on and off the pitch

[HoboHarry]

Jocks and Scotch are all annoying but says nothing about our character. Huns sums that club's behaviour by many on and off the pitch
Yes it absolutely does..... :agree:

[CentreLine]

The term is used to describe their behaviour - a barbarous, destructive person; vandal.

It describes the type of humans they are as a group. It is usually used to describe them as a group ie Go home you Huns, The Hun B's. I hate the term paedos being thrown around at fitba but see that as totally different. The The fans act in a anti Catholin way en masse, they have destroyed city centres en masse too. This isn't all of them being targeted for an individuals behaviour it is them being described as a group. Calling a group of fans paedos because they have a player with a chequered past is totally different imo.

I actually agree with lots of your points though. Being as big a hater as them probably isn't the best response. However, have you ever tried to talk to the Police or Stewards about the behaviour you are witnessing. They simply aren't interested. The fact the authorities allow the behaviour we see from The The fans is the reason you get the reaction. I would like to see if an organised campaign where opposition supporters got together to report sectarian abuse while charging themselves to stop using language deemed to be hateful by others. It would lead nowhere but it would confirm that this type of behaviour is fine in a modern Scotland and probably embolden them to go even further. They are completely Brazen as it is.

You need to be careful using the word “mass” in there. Yeh I know the spelling is different but…🤣

[DaveF]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/19670571.amp/

Huns getting all uppity again (while still singing sectarian songs unchallenged, obviously)

[linlithgowhibbie]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/19670571.amp/

Huns getting all uppity again (while still singing sectarian songs unchallenged, obviously)

Link not opening for me

[DaveF]

Link not opening for me

https://www.rangersnews.uk/club-news/rangers-fans-charity-nil-by-mouth-st-mirren-chairman-tweets/amp/

He called themm Huns and sevco in case you are wondering what the 'sectarian' terms were 😂

[Iain G]

https://www.rangersnews.uk/club-news/rangers-fans-charity-nil-by-mouth-st-mirren-chairman-tweets/amp/

He called themm Huns and sevco in case you are wondering what the 'sectarian' terms were 😂

They are experts at very obvious deflection and whataboutery aren't they!

[linlithgowhibbie]

He is a long time friend of mine, surprised he would say anything after being put onto their board, but a true footie fan (who like most of us doesn't like them or their twin arsecheek)

[DaveF]

He is a long time friend of mine, surprised he would say anything after being put onto their board, but a true footie fan (who like most of us doesn't like them or their twin arsecheek)

I think the tweets are from years back. No doubt dug up those who can't wait to be offended but then go on to dish out abuse at will soon after.

[Lendo]

I hadn't realised that Nil By Mouth was a Rangers "charity". I genuinely thought they were fighting sectarianism but it appears all they are doing is legitimising whataboutery.

[Bostonhibby]

I hadn't realised that Nil By Mouth was a Rangers "charity". I genuinely thought they were fighting sectarianism but it appears all they are doing is legitimising whataboutery.Some things by mouth might be a more appropriate non "sectarian" name for it then?

Never ceases to amaze me what this sort of creature isn't offended by and doesn't regard as sectarian.

It really is the Scotland's shame that the laws exist to at least take action. There's plenty targets every week but I think it shows the country in a poorer light that governments effectively ignore their own laws for fear of offending, or worse, those they should be meeting head on.

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[greenginger]

If Nil by Mouth thinks “ Sevco “ is an offensive term then they’d better get onto Companies House right away.

There are numerous references to Sevco and The Rangers on that site, it was the original name of the parent company ffs.

Come to think of it, they get offended by The Rangers tag too, maybe time the word “The” got banned too, just to keep them happy. :greengrin

[bigwheel]

If Nil by Mouth thinks “ Sevco “ is an offensive term then they’d better get onto Companies House right away.

There are numerous references to Sevco and The Rangers on that site, it was the original name of the parent company ffs.

Come to think of it, they get offended by The Rangers tag too, maybe time the word “The” got banned too, just to keep them happy. :greengrin

Tbf, I think it was the term “Huns” and also hoping the bridge collapses when all their fans were bouncing on it , that were the real offensive comments to which they refer ..

[greenginger]

Tbf, I think it was the term “Huns” and also hoping the bridge collapses when all their fans were bouncing on it , that were the real offensive comments to which they refer ..

In the report I read , Sevco was mentioned as one of the offensive terms that was used.

[bigwheel]

In the report I read , Sevco was mentioned as one of the offensive terms that was used.

Fair enough - the tweets that were reported had worse than that

[jacomo]

https://www.rangersnews.uk/club-news/rangers-fans-charity-nil-by-mouth-st-mirren-chairman-tweets/amp/

He called themm Huns and sevco in case you are wondering what the 'sectarian' terms were 😂


Nil by Mouth really do need to f*** off.

Or at least check the definition of ‘derogatory’ in a dictionary.

[Hibernia&Alba]

In the report I read , Sevco was mentioned as one of the offensive terms that was used.

Wow. We will need to start addressing them as sir and 'the people'. It seems anything less is offensive. :confused:

[04Sauzee]

£23.5m loss announced in their latest accounts. Not surprised to see them post a loss due to Covid but wondering how many losses and the total amount of losses they have posted since their reincarnation.

[Stuart93]

£23.5m loss announced in their latest accounts. Not surprised to see them post a loss due to Covid but wondering how many losses and the total amount of losses they have posted since their reincarnation.

And the fact it continues to be swept under the carpet

[CropleyWasGod]

And the fact it continues to be swept under the carpet

By whom? It's in the public domain.

[007]

In the report I read , Sevco was mentioned as one of the offensive terms that was used.

Are we not even allowed to be offensive any more? (Aimed at the report, not you).

[Oscar T Grouch]

£23.5m loss announced in their latest accounts. Not surprised to see them post a loss due to Covid but wondering how many losses and the total amount of losses they have posted since their reincarnation.

They’ve lost £80mil up to the last set of accounts, so adding the 23.5mil to that makes it just over £100mil they’ve lost since being reborn. But there’s nothing to see here, this is all legit and above board. The debt however mostly comes from rangers board members and I’m sure a lot of it was converted to shares but I could be wrong about that.

[CropleyWasGod]

£23.5m loss announced in their latest accounts. Not surprised to see them post a loss due to Covid but wondering how many losses and the total amount of losses they have posted since their reincarnation.

At first glance, they are in a much better state than they could have been. Their funding gap has reduced from £23m to £8m. They have also secured longer-term external funding, which is a big step for them.


Disclaimer:- "at first glance" might miss a lot of issues :greengrin

[jacomo]

At first glance, they are in a much better state than they could have been. Their funding gap has reduced from £23m to £8m. They have also secured longer-term external funding, which is a big step for them.


Disclaimer:- "at first glance" might miss a lot of issues :greengrin


One thing in their favour over the past few seasons has been a steady stream of cash from European football. They had relied on this, which always seemed risky, but the risk seems to have paid off.

[CropleyWasGod]

One thing in their favour over the past few seasons has been a steady stream of cash from European football. They had relied on this, which always seemed risky, but the risk seems to have paid off.

Yep, that was their stated model. Something like "group stages of the Europa or Champions League in 3 out of 5 seasons". We all probably scoffed at that at the time, as they were pretty poor on the park.

In some ways, it's almost irrelevant that Gerrard hasn't been too successful domestically. He's done the business in Europe which, from a financial point of view, has been much better for them.

[Stuart93]

By whom? It's in the public domain.

I have absolutely zero knowledge but how long can losses continue like they have been before spfl/SFA take notice? If that’s even a possibility

[JohnMcM]

I have absolutely zero knowledge but how long can losses continue like they have been before spfl/SFA take notice? If that’s even a possibility

There’s more chance of me sending you a photograph of a live unicorn, finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, or, enjoying a bowl of chicken-lip soup.:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

I have absolutely zero knowledge but how long can losses continue like they have been before spfl/SFA take notice? If that’s even a possibility

As long as they can continue in business, which they are doing, it's not the concern of the SPFL or SFA.

UEFA may be a different story although, as recent FFP cases suggest, I'm not sure that's likely to be a major issue either.

[PatHead]

As long as they can continue in business, which they are doing, it's not the concern of the SPFL or SFA.

UEFA may be a different story although, as recent FFP cases suggest, I'm not sure that's likely to be a major issue either.

Could they be banned from Europe over the next few years or is that wishful thinking?

[CropleyWasGod]

Could they be banned from Europe over the next few years or is that wishful thinking?

I'd doubt it.

They have been in worse places than they are now, and managed to get round the FFP rules. In the past, they had to show that they were taking steps to plug their funding gap. It's clear that those steps were taken, and further steps are being taken. The long-term funding that they have secured is a huge step for them in that respect.

[weecounty hibby]

Sadly there are an awful lot of rich huns out there who are happy to swap £m for worthless share certificates. As much as we would all love it, in a Kevin Keegan stylee, if they went tits up it won't ever happen

[Lago]

And the fact it continues to be swept under the carpet
In what way? It's being highlighted everywhere.

[PolmontHibby]

UEFA Fairplay rules were designed to stop clubs spending more than they earn, but they have been a complete failure.
They are meant to be having an overhaul this year...but I wouldn't put a £1 on new rules having any greater success.

As for the chances of SFA/SPFL putting in place checks and restrictions such as they have in the Bundesliga - zero chance

Clubs such as Sevco etc will just have to keep hoping directors/supporters will keep chucking in the cash.

[Lago]

And the fact it continues to be swept under the carpet<br>
In what way? It's being highlighted everywhere.&nbsp;

[RyeSloan]

So they have spent over £100m more than their income since they last went pop.

Financial doping on a huge scale yet somehow its not covered by UEFA FFP rules or even remotely bothering the Scottish authorities in terms of how that impacts the domestic ‘fairness’ of competition.

Seems right enough.

[CropleyWasGod]

So they have spent over £100m more than their income since they last went pop.

Financial doping on a huge scale yet somehow its not covered by UEFA FFP rules or even remotely bothering the Scottish authorities in terms of how that impacts the domestic ‘fairness’ of competition.

Seems right enough.

We don't have FFP in Scotland, presumably because the clubs don't want it. Rod mentioned years ago that there were plans to bring it in, but there doesn't seem to be the appetite for it.

[RyeSloan]

We don't have FFP in Scotland, presumably because the clubs don't want it. Rod mentioned years ago that there were plans to bring it in, but there doesn't seem to be the appetite for it.

Stating the bleedin’ obvious with yer first sentence there Crops ;-).

[CropleyWasGod]

Stating the bleedin’ obvious with yer first sentence there Crops ;-).

Sorry, just saying that as a lot of people seem to think it's the SFA's call.

[CropleyWasGod]

There could be a spin-off series.

The Easdale brothers, last seen in Season 3, are reported to be in for Derby County.

[Iain G]

There could be a spin-off series.

The Easdale brothers, last seen in Season 3, are reported to be in for Derby County.

Had forgotten about them! Another pair of comedians who have off the radar wealth?

[PolmontHibby]

We don't have FFP in Scotland, presumably because the clubs don't want it. Rod mentioned years ago that there were plans to bring it in, but there doesn't seem to be the appetite for it.

UEFA licensing rules apply to the SPFL (or any clubs who participate in UEFA competitions)?
Whether it works correctly is a separate question.

[Bostonhibby]

Had forgotten about them! Another pair of comedians who have off the radar wealth?A bit like their first saviours White and Cheeky Charlie Green, immeasurable wealth, so immeasurable that no one bothered to measure it.



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[Keith_M]

There could be a spin-off series.

The Easdale brothers, last seen in Season 3, are reported to be in for Derby County.



Is that the gangster like bus company owners that used to burn down rival bus depots (allegedly)?

[PatHead]

Notice in the papers something about King charging massive interest on his loan. Anyone know anything about this?

[CyberSauzee]

Notice in the papers something about King charging massive interest on his loan. Anyone know anything about this?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/former-rangers-chairman-dave-king-details-ps5m-loan-and-interest-repayment-and-no-impact-on-club-accounts-3451314

"While announcing figures to June 2021, Rangers summarised a seven-figure loan, plus £832,000 interest, had been repaid to Mr King since that accounting period ended and replaced by ‘a long term, lower coupon structured facility’ to support their aim to ‘strengthen our capital and funding structure’."

[jacomo]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/former-rangers-chairman-dave-king-details-ps5m-loan-and-interest-repayment-and-no-impact-on-club-accounts-3451314

"While announcing figures to June 2021, Rangers summarised a seven-figure loan, plus £832,000 interest, had been repaid to Mr King since that accounting period ended and replaced by ‘a long term, lower coupon structured facility’ to support their aim to ‘strengthen our capital and funding structure’."


Oh, tidy! In an era of low interest rates, how nice to be in a position to lend money to a club in desperate need of cash, and be obliged to charge sizeable interest on top.

[HoboHarry]

IIRC it stated in the accounts that they needed an additional 7.5M to finish the season. Do they need more now that the Lying King has been paid? Also, has Hector been paid yet? Come on CWG - give us some informed opinions :wink:

[Smartie]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/former-rangers-chairman-dave-king-details-ps5m-loan-and-interest-repayment-and-no-impact-on-club-accounts-3451314

"While announcing figures to June 2021, Rangers summarised a seven-figure loan, plus £832,000 interest, had been repaid to Mr King since that accounting period ended and replaced by ‘a long term, lower coupon structured facility’ to support their aim to ‘strengthen our capital and funding structure’."

The words "glib" and "shameless" were springing to mind when I read that pile of absolute drivel.

[CropleyWasGod]

IIRC it stated in the accounts that they needed an additional 7.5M to finish the season. Do they need more now that the Lying King has been paid? Also, has Hector been paid yet? Come on CWG - give us some informed opinions :wink:

1. nah, sorry. That has been taken account of in the £7.5m.

2. no scooby. They have £7.7m due for "Taxes & Other Social Security Costs" at the end of June. No idea how that breaks down into VAT, PAYE, NI etc. Also don't know whether it's for 1 month, or longer. It's a huge sum, but a couple of million lower than it was last year.

[Oscar T Grouch]

From BBC Gossip column today on the King matter

Former Rangers chairman Dave King cites "inaccurate" information in the club's most recent accounts, saying a £5m loan was incorrectly attributed to him rather than a business within his family trust structure. (Sun)

King says interest of more than £800,000 paid on the loan had "no impact" on Rangers' financial results. (Scotsman - subscription required)

We all know King is a fine upstanding gentleman known never to lie about anything!!

[CropleyWasGod]

From BBC Gossip column today on the King matter

Former Rangers chairman Dave King cites "inaccurate" information in the club's most recent accounts, saying a £5m loan was incorrectly attributed to him rather than a business within his family trust structure. (Sun)

King says interest of more than £800,000 paid on the loan had "no impact" on Rangers' financial results. (Scotsman - subscription required)

We all know King is a fine upstanding gentleman known never to lie about anything!!

He's probably right.

The £832k was paid after the year-end, so it affects the current year's loss.

[Moulin Yarns]

He's probably right.

The £832k was paid after the year-end, so it affects the current year's loss.

😂

We can always rely on you to dig up the dirt. 👍

[Stonewall]

1. nah, sorry. That has been taken account of in the £7.5m.

2. no scooby. They have £7.7m due for "Taxes & Other Social Security Costs" at the end of June. No idea how that breaks down into VAT, PAYE, NI etc. Also don't know whether it's for 1 month, or longer. It's a huge sum, but a couple of million lower than it was last year.

I don’t think Ashley’s compensation has been announced yet or have Rangers settled?

[007]

Deluded Rangers fans on Superscoreboard thinking Gerrard won't go to Villa because Rangers are a much bigger club. One yesterday even said Rangers are bigger than Liverpool. :faf:

Can't wait to see the meltdown when he goes.

[90274]

Wonder who they'll go for to replace Gerrard?

[CropleyWasGod]

I don’t think Ashley’s compensation has been announced yet or have Rangers settled?

They haven't.

At the moment, they have provided about £2.75m against the claim. If it's more than that, the excess will be in this year's accounts, and will add to the £7.5m shortfall.