Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[PatHead]

£200,000. What Newco want, Newco get. The SFA will never allow Newco to suffer after what happened to Oldco. Watch them bend over backwards to allow Ashley's de-facto ownership.

Yip, still think Dundee Utd will make good money from him though. Still don't see how Newco get the money. Can see where CWG was coming from but still think creditors should have got a proportion based on the length of time he was with Oldco rather than Newco.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yip, still think Dundee Utd will make good money from him though. Still don't see how Newco get the money. Can see where CWG was coming from but still think creditors should have got a proportion based on the length of time he was with Oldco rather than Newco.
It will be interesting to see what the liquidator does now. If he thinks that he is due the cash, he will chase NewHun for it.

[PatHead]

It will be interesting to see what the liquidator does now. If he thinks that he is due the cash, he will chase NewHun for it.

Yes £200k for training a guy for 2 years just doesn't sit right.

[AndyM_1875]

Yip, still think Dundee Utd will make good money from him though. Still don't see how Newco get the money. Can see where CWG was coming from but still think creditors should have got a proportion based on the length of time he was with Oldco rather than Newco.


The player was TUPE'd over along with most other staff. The Newco bought the assets along with the brand and the history before the Oldco was handed to the Liquidators.
I'm really surprised at Dundee United. A consultation from a decent Employment Lawyer would have shown them their case was weak but lets be honest, Stephen Thomson has something of a blind spot when it comes to Rangers. He's pretty much incapable of being rational about them and that is something that goes back years.

[greenginger]

Trouble is, Rangers Football Club did'nt own or train the youth players.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/3643791.stm

Rangers Youth Development Company was wound up and struck off in 2013

[jacomo]

That's correct, they had no option.

Didn't he take a pay cut, though?

Only once details of his pay became public and the orcs reacted did he 'volunteer' to take a pay cut, although only on a temporary basis. Not sure it's been confirmed whether or not this happened.

[jodjam]

Just seen on SSN that the Rangers have admitted exaggerating Saturday's crowd. Been revised down to 19k from 28k.

[lapsedhibee]

Just seen on SSN that the Rangers have admitted exaggerating Saturday's crowd. Been revised down to 19k from 28k.

That's not exaggerating, though, is it? It's falsifying.

[AndyM_1875]

I'd take him more seriously if he didn't write like an embittered blow hard.

Pretendy fake wannabe sectarian bigot hack who peddles myths started in Celtic pubs.

When he starts a line with "I am hearing..." or "My sources tell me.." you know its bull****.

[Billy Whizz]

Just seen on SSN that the Rangers have admitted exaggerating Saturday's crowd. Been revised down to 19k from 28k.

Not many walk up fans = less money in the kitty

[worcesterhibby]

Trouble is, Rangers Football Club did'nt own or train the youth players.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/3643791.stm

Rangers Youth Development Company was wound up and struck off in 2013

You should email that to Stephen Thompson

[jodjam]

Not many walk up fans = less money in the kitty

They are claiming its non attendance of ST holders. Other than a vanity exercise what benefit is there in claiming a larger attendance

[Jim44]

They are claiming its non attendance of ST holders. Other than a vanity exercise what benefit is there in claiming a larger attendance

Exactly. If it were 'pay at the door' punters, they would be liable for income tax and vat. Unless of-course, HMRC are so lax that they don't take account of what clubs publish for attendances.

[greenginger]

They are claiming its non attendance of ST holders. Other than a vanity exercise what benefit is there in claiming a larger attendance


The Yams , Celtic and Rangers all claim attendances far in access of the numbers who actually " attend " by claiming all season ticket holders as attendees.

I don't know if its just big team bull-***** or their marketing departments can use the inflated figures to get advertising/sponsorship deals.

The Yams put out a figure of over 15,000 for the QoS game on Saturday when there were gaps all over the stadium and a near empty visitors stand.

Yet , when its a cup-tie like Celtic the week before, when the attendance has to be accurate, only 12,500 attend and over 3000 are visitors.

[lapsedhibee]

The Yams , Celtic and Rangers all claim attendances far in access of the numbers who actually " attend " by claiming all season ticket holders as attendees.

I don't know if its just big team bull-***** or their marketing departments can use the inflated figures to get advertising/sponsorship deals.

The Yams put out a figure of over 15,000 for the QoS game on Saturday when there were gaps all over the stadium and a near empty visitors stand.

Yet , when its a cup-tie like Celtic the week before, when the attendance has to be accurate, only 12,500 attend and over 3000 are visitors.

I could easily believe that there were more at the QoS than the Celtc game. Yams don't do turning up when they know they're going to get cuffed.

[Smartie]

You should email that to Stephen Thompson

I still don't get Stephen Thomson's point though.

I think he's an opportunist here - he's trying to pull a fast one and exploit the whole Rangers/ The Rangers/ Sevco shenanigans.

The young lad was trained by another club (we can argue all day about whether it's one club or two) and United have taken that player. They should be due the money for the development of that player, no question. The only question should be how much goes to the new club and how much goes to the creditors of the old one.

As Hibs fans it is funny to see United doing this but to me it looks a bit like a wee boy poking a big, wounded animal with a stick. One day it's going to get better and it won't be happy.

I reckon it's only a matter of time before The Rangers are back at the top of the top league (it's what the authorities want). They'll get through their trials and tribulations mainly because there's so bloody many of them.

Bigger teams from higher leagues taking players from smaller leagues and smaller teams without paying what is due for the development of them is a terrible thing for Scottish football and given their habit of bringing through decent young Scottish players of late, United need to be careful with the point they're trying to make here.

[Elephant Stone]

I still don't get Stephen Thomson's point though.

I think he's an opportunist here - he's trying to pull a fast one and exploit the whole Rangers/ The Rangers/ Sevco shenanigans.

The young lad was trained by another club (we can argue all day about whether it's one club or two) and United have taken that player. They should be due the money for the development of that player, no question. The only question should be how much goes to the new club and how much goes to the creditors of the old one.

As Hibs fans it is funny to see United doing this but to me it looks a bit like a wee boy poking a big, wounded animal with a stick. One day it's going to get better and it won't be happy.

I reckon it's only a matter of time before The Rangers are back at the top of the top league (it's what the authorities want). They'll get through their trials and tribulations mainly because there's so bloody many of them.

Bigger teams from higher leagues taking players from smaller leagues and smaller teams without paying what is due for the development of them is a terrible thing for Scottish football and given their habit of bringing through decent young Scottish players of late, United need to be careful with the point they're trying to make here.

I don't get this point, if they've not got a case then they've not got a case, but if he thinks he can get a better deal for his club then you're saying he shouldn't cause, basically, Rangers are going to be big again and that's frightening?

[Smartie]

I don't get this point, if they've not got a case then they've not got a case, but if he thinks he can get a better deal for his club then you're saying he shouldn't cause, basically, Rangers are going to be big again and that's frightening?

I don't think he has a point - I think United are due them the money. I think the only matter is where the money goes and that this has been a misguided personal crusade as Thomson (more than anyone else) has a serious issue with Rangers.

Celtic are way bigger than all the other clubs in this country and Rangers have the potential to get back up there. Establishing a precedent whereby higher league, bigger, stronger teams can take players from smaller, weaker teams (United are currently stronger, The Rangers are weaker) without paying what they are due (which is what I think Thomson is trying to do) is dangerous because you can bet your boots that if Rangers return to their previous position every Scott Brown, Steven Fletcher, David Goodwillie or Ryan Gauld would end up at Ibrox with "wee clubs" like us and United receiving a pittance.

[AndyM_1875]

I don't think he has a point - I think United are due to the money. I think the only matter is where the money goes and that this has been a misguided personal crusade as Thomson (more than anyone else) has a serious issue with Rangers.


This is the nub of it. Thomson is completely incapable of rational thought process when it comes top Rangers. He sees all sorts of ancient historic grievances and wrongs done to Dundee United by Rangers and he now just lashes out at them at every opportunity. Personally I'd rather my club kept its dignity.

Furthermore Dundee United seem now to be the only major club still actively poking this whole Rangers thing, no other club is saying anything although it's pretty obvious that Celtic at boardroom level are desperate for Rangers to win the Championship this year to fill the £10m a year hole in their accounts the gap leaves them with.

[Spike Mandela]

This is the nub of it. Thomson is completely incapable of rational thought process when it comes top Rangers. He sees all sorts of ancient historic grievances and wrongs done to Dundee United by Rangers and he now just lashes out at them at every opportunity. Personally I'd rather my club kept its dignity.

Furthermore Dundee United seem now to be the only major club still actively poking this whole Rangers thing, no other club is saying anything although it's pretty obvious that Celtic at boardroom level are desperate for Rangers to win the Championship this year to fill the £10m a year hole in their accounts the gap leaves them with.
Rangers need reminded at every opportunity that they are a different club rather than meekly accepting their agenda all the time. The more Thomsons and less media apologists and sympathisers the better.

[greenginger]

Have any other comparable training fees been set by an SFA committee.

If we take these Stranraer lads are we likely to be hit by £ 200 K a piece fees if they trained for a similar period by the club.

[AndyM_1875]

Rangers need reminded at every opportunity that they are a different club rather than meekly accepting their agenda all the time. The more Thomsons and less media apologists and sympathisers the better.

If its a different club as some say why does Stephen Thomson continually bash the Rangers entity (lets call it that) at any opportunity based on grievances fuelled from years ago when Rangers were apparently a different club.

Personally I think its got hee haw to do with that different club stuff and its fuelled by something far more personal and much deeper. The last big game Stephen Thomson's father Eddie (Dundee United club chairman) saw before he died was Dundee United in the League Cup final with Rangers. United deserved to win that game, had a blatant penalty turned down and after a 2-2 draw were denied cruelly in a penalty shootout.

[Andy74]

Rangers need reminded at every opportunity that they are a different club rather than meekly accepting their agenda all the time. The more Thomsons and less media apologists and sympathisers the better.

I don't think they are a different club though, are they? A different entity owns the club but they purchased the relevant rights around the actual football club did they not?

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't think they are a different club though, are they? A different entity owns the club but they purchased the relevant rights around the actual football club did they not?

Yep.

Emotionally, spiritually and legally the same club IMO.

[Weststandwanab]

Exactly. If it were 'pay at the door' punters, they would be liable for income tax and vat. Unless of-course, HMRC are so lax that they don't take account of what clubs publish for attendances.

There is V.A.T. due on tickets that have been sold at any price but the freebies and comps do not attract V.A.T.

Tax - in this instance Corporation Tax - would only be payable if Sevco had an assessable profit in any fiscal year ( subject to available losses) and we all know they are running at losses in the sums of 5 figures in the millions.

So like Starbucks will not be paying tax for the foreseeable future.

H.M.R.C. do not pay attention to published attendances as they cannot reply on the accuracy of the lies.


Rangers need reminded at every opportunity that they are a different club rather than meekly accepting their agenda all the time. The more Thomsons and less media apologists and sympathisers the better.

I agree.


If its a different club as some say why does Stephen Thomson continually bash the Rangers entity (lets call it that) at any opportunity based on grievances fuelled from years ago when Rangers were apparently a different club.

Personally I think its got hee haw to do with that different club stuff and its fuelled by something far more personal and much deeper. The last big game Stephen Thomson's father Eddie (Dundee United club chairman) saw before he died was Dundee United in the League Cup final with Rangers. United deserved to win that game, had a blatant penalty turned down and after a 2-2 draw were denied cruelly in a penalty shootout.

Because they deserve it in his opinion. Thomson will not pay the sum and watch the new Administrators try and chase it I suspect.

[Spike Mandela]

Yep.

Emotionally, spiritually and legally the same club IMO.

Emotionslly, spiritually, legally, not tested in court, phoenix club, administration, liquidated, entity, holdsng company, sevco, newco, same club, different club, grey area, black and white, old club's debt, new club's debt etc etc etc.

No definitive conclusion IMO so I choose to forward the notion that annoys them the most thanks:cb

[ancient hibee]

I don't think he has a point - I think United are due them the money. I think the only matter is where the money goes and that this has been a misguided personal crusade as Thomson (more than anyone else) has a serious issue with Rangers.

Celtic are way bigger than all the other clubs in this country and Rangers have the potential to get back up there. Establishing a precedent whereby higher league, bigger, stronger teams can take players from smaller, weaker teams (United are currently stronger, The Rangers are weaker) without paying what they are due (which is what I think Thomson is trying to do) is dangerous because you can bet your boots that if Rangers return to their previous position every Scott Brown, Steven Fletcher, David Goodwillie or Ryan Gauld would end up at Ibrox with "wee clubs" like us and United receiving a pittance.

What a load of guff.None of the players you list ended up at Ibrox when they were a big club.

[AndyM_1875]

Because they deserve it in his opinion. Thomson will not pay the sum and watch the new Administrators try and chase it I suspect.

Thomson has no option. He pays it or the league and association will take action against his club. To not pay it completely undermines the whole integrity of tribunals.

As has been stated earlier in this thread if Hibs take these two Stranraer players and it goes to tribunal then we are bound by what the tribunal say.
We either Pay up & shut up or don't go for the players in the first place.

[portycabbage]

I don't think they are a different club though, are they? A different entity owns the club but they purchased the relevant rights around the actual football club did they not?

Why didn't we just buy some Scottish Cups off them then if that's how it works?

[Mr White]

Why didn't we just buy some Scottish Cups off them then if that's how it works?

We did but Sir Tom siphoned them off. It's what he does :cb

[portycabbage]

We did but Sir Tom siphoned them off. It's what he does :cb

What would Kwik-fit want to claim Scottish Cup wins for? In any case, he's got a new shop called Farm Erotica.

:wink:

[brog]

The Yams , Celtic and Rangers all claim attendances far in access of the numbers who actually " attend " by claiming all season ticket holders as attendees.

I don't know if its just big team bull-***** or their marketing departments can use the inflated figures to get advertising/sponsorship deals.

The Yams put out a figure of over 15,000 for the QoS game on Saturday when there were gaps all over the stadium and a near empty visitors stand.

Yet , when its a cup-tie like Celtic the week before, when the attendance has to be accurate, only 12,500 attend and over 3000 are visitors.

Spot on as usual GG! It's a strange phenomenon shared by 3 clubs who are always desperate to prove how big they are. I wonder if our wonderful Scottish media will finally pick up on this re Yams & perhaps just re-check the definition of "attendance"!

[jodjam]

McCoist has resigned. Bad news for us

[Haymaker]

McCoist has resigned. Bad news for us

Very. They might get someone competent!

[blackpoolhibs]

Walter Smith would be my guess.

[Smartie]

It's one of the worst things that could have happened re our own promotion chances. Although it would be hilarious of they jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire by going for someone like Butcher.

Although if they get their act together (and I think they've got the players to do it - Ally has undoubtedly been holding them back) they might pip the Saviles to the title.

Winning a play-off against them would just about atone for everything that has gone on these past few years.

[jacomo]

McCoist has resigned. Bad news for us

Wait... he's walked away?

[greenginger]

Not away yet.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30451727


Rangers reject his resignation request. Probably wanted a package ! :greengrin


Sorry, I'm so far behind . Lap-top been offline for a few hours.

[jacomo]

Not away yet.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30451727


Rangers reject his resignation request. Probably wanted a package ! :greengrin

Sweet. A big row at the Board meeting would be fun, as they argue about whether Swally should go and, if so, who is allowed to make that decision.

Swally is no doubt planning something for tonight's post match interviews.

[greenginger]

Just noticed something from yesterday on the Rangers International stock exchange page.


http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12183704.html

They've now appointed a new Nominated Advisor or NOMAD after their last one went bust.


They're called W H IRELAND Ltd. !

Are they taking the p*ss out of the Govan Loyal. :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

I wonder how many of these were sold? :greengrin

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152886255192980&set=gm.889396311072745&type=1&theater

[magpie1892]

I guess he's a journalist in the same way that Sun reporters are journalists.

That's original.

[Turkish Green]

I don't think they are a different club though, are they? A different entity owns the club but they purchased the relevant rights around the actual football club did they not?
So if it was Rangers (the parent company) rather than Rangers (the club) that went insolvent, then why did the SFA/SPL expel them from the league. This "we never went insolvent" malarkey perpetuated by the Huns is just a smokescreen. If it was so, don't you think Reagan and Doncaster would have bent over backward to keep them in the SPL.

Anyway if they didn't go insolvent then it will be a 25 pts deduction when they go into admin.

[CropleyWasGod]

So if it was Rangers (the parent company) rather than Rangers (the club) that went insolvent, then why did the SFA/SPL expel them from the league. This "we never went insolvent" malarkey perpetuated by the Huns is just a smokescreen. If it was so, don't you think Reagan and Doncaster would have bent over backward to keep them in the SPL.

Anyway if they didn't go insolvent then it will be a 25 pts deduction when they go into admin.

There's no argument that the company which owned Rangers (the brand) went into administration, and then liquidation. However, Andy's right that the brand was sold on to Sevco for a fiver.

The argument, which will never be settled IMO, is whether that £5 included the "emotional" part of the club. In my view, it did. A football club is not a company, or a business. It's the support, the history, the indefinable thing that goes with every team.

Your last part holds. The rules are specific that, if the company that owns the club goes into administration for a second time in 5 years, the penalty is 25 points. That applies whether or not its the same company that owns the club.

[greenginger]

There's no argument that the company which owned Rangers (the brand) went into administration, and then liquidation. However, Andy's right that the brand was sold on to Sevco for a fiver.

The argument, which will never be settled IMO, is whether that £5 included the "emotional" part of the club. In my view, it did. A football club is not a company, or a business. It's the support, the history, the indefinable thing that goes with every team.

Your last part holds. The rules are specific that, if the company that owns the club goes into administration for a second time in 5 years, the penalty is 25 points. That applies whether or not its the same company that owns the club.


Are you saying Third Lanark are still out there somewhere ? :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Are you saying Third Lanark are still out there somewhere ? :greengrin
Ha :)

Whilst there are HiHi supporters , yeah of course.

[portycabbage]

There's no argument that the company which owned Rangers (the brand) went into administration, and then liquidation. However, Andy's right that the brand was sold on to Sevco for a fiver.

The argument, which will never be settled IMO, is whether that £5 included the "emotional" part of the club. In my view, it did. A football club is not a company, or a business. It's the support, the history, the indefinable thing that goes with every team.

Your last part holds. The rules are specific that, if the company that owns the club goes into administration for a second time in 5 years, the penalty is 25 points. That applies whether or not its the same company that owns the club.

I think a football club is certainly more than a business or company, but surely the definition must include that it is a business or company (unless it's the kind of club which is just an association of like minded people, like Hibs in the early days)? Otherwise why would it make any sense to say someone owns them, or that it has financial responsibilities, or that it can enter Admin? David Murray was surely the owner of Rangers FC (rather than the owner of a company that owned Rangers FC); and the players were surely employees of Rangers FC (rather than employees of a holding company)? And surely a consequence of your position would be that football clubs by definition can't enter Admin or be liquidated - ever?

If Rangers were the same entity now as they were pre-admin then they'd be liable for it's debts, and wouldn't have had to get players to TUPE over to the Newco. They would also have retained their league share and wouldn't have had to apply for membership post liquidation.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think a football club is certainly more than a business or company, but surely the definition must include that it is a business or company (unless it's the kind of club which is just an association of like minded people, like Hibs in the early days)? Otherwise why would it make any sense to say someone owns them, or that it has financial responsibilities, or that it can enter Admin? David Murray was surely the owner of Rangers FC (rather than the owner of a company that owned Rangers FC); and the players were surely employees of Rangers FC (rather than employees of a holding company)? And surely a consequence of your position would be that football clubs by definition can't enter Admin or be liquidated - ever?

If Rangers were the same entity now as they were pre-admin then they'd be liable for it's debts, and wouldn't have had to get players to TUPE over to the Newco. They would also have retained their league share and wouldn't have had to apply for membership post liquidation.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Rangers Football Club Limited (not David Murray) was the owner of the "club". It was that owner (company) that went into administration, not the club, and the legal process then took its course on that company.

There's not really a legal definition of what the "club" is, which is what I'm trying to say. For that reason, unless it's tested in Court, this argument will run on.

[grunt]

That's original.In that his blog reads like an article in the Sun.
Or did I misunderstand you?

[portycabbage]

Are you saying Third Lanark are still out there somewhere ? :greengrin

http://www.third-lanark.co.uk/

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.third-lanark.co.uk/

I once answered something on that site, and ended up on an email list. Buggers wouldn't leave me alone after that.

Wish they'd hurry up and die. :greengrin

[Hibs Class]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Rangers Football Club Limited (not David Murray) was the owner of the "club". It was that owner (company) that went into administration, not the club, and the legal process then took its course on that company.

There's not really a legal definition of what the "club" is, which is what I'm trying to say. For that reason, unless it's tested in Court, this argument will run on.

Of course, you are completely right - it will run on and I will argue that oldco died and newco is a new co with no history beyond a D2 and a D1 title. Well aware that oldco fans will argue the opposite, but then of course they would

[portycabbage]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Rangers Football Club Limited (not David Murray) was the owner of the "club". It was that owner (company) that went into administration, not the club, and the legal process then took its course on that company.

There's not really a legal definition of what the "club" is, which is what I'm trying to say. For that reason, unless it's tested in Court, this argument will run on.

I understand the point about Murray owning RFC Ltd, which owned the "club". I'm saying it appears in the eyes of the law that the ''club" is (or was) RFC Ltd - based on the current RFC not being liable for previous debt, or able to hold the likes of Naismith to a contract.

I also think that it seems odd to say that the "club" isn't, at least in part, a company or business - given that most people would say that Murray owned Rangers, or Rangers were in Admin, or Rangers had employees, and (were meant to have) paid tax.:greengrin

I don't feel comfortable myself with the definition of "club" as just a company, but I don't think the two can be separated entirely.

[portycabbage]

I once answered something on that site, and ended up on an email list. Buggers wouldn't leave me alone after that.

Wish they'd hurry up and die. :greengrin

You can't kill an idea man!:greengrin

Actually there appears to be about three of them currently in existence, as if the RFC identity conundrum wasn't enough.:sairhead::faint:

[CropleyWasGod]

I understand the point about Murray owning RFC Ltd, which owned the "club". I'm saying it appears in the eyes of the law that the ''club" is (or was) RFC Ltd - based on the current RFC not being liable for previous debt, or able to hold the likes of Naismith to a contract.

I also think that it seems odd to say that the "club" isn't, at least in part, a company or business - given that most people would say that Murray owned Rangers, or Rangers were in Admin, or Rangers had employees, and (were meant to have) paid tax.:greengrin

I don't feel comfortable myself with the definition of "club" as just a company, but I don't think the two can be separated entirely.

That's just it, though. That's not what the law says. The law doesn't have a view on what the "club " is. It has a view, however, on which company is liable for the debt.

When BH were asked what they mean when they say they want to buy the "club", they mentioned the football licence. That's probably as close as we can get to a legal definition.

[portycabbage]

That's just it, though. That's not what the law says. The law doesn't have a view on what the "club " is. It has a view, however, on which company is liable for the debt.

When BH were asked what they mean when they say they want to buy the "club", they mentioned the football licence. That's probably as close as we can get to a legal definition.

I think I'm saying the same thing in essence - the law's view only extends to "RFC = a Ltd company which is liable for x". I suppose it's whether people generally (rather than the law) think that the business side of a club is all/part of/separate to their definition of the "club".

I'm not that up on football licences, or the BH bid, but some of these type of things seem less transferable than others - I'm thinking league and SFA membership for instance.

[southsider]

That's just it, though. That's not what the law says. The law doesn't have a view on what the "club " is. It has a view, however, on which company is liable for the debt.

When BH were asked what they mean when they say they want to buy the "club", they mentioned the football licence. That's probably as close as we can get to a legal definition.
Chelsea fans own the pitch and the name Chelsea F.C. Perhaps BH could do the same with our club. ????

[CropleyWasGod]

Chelsea fans own the pitch and the name Chelsea F.C. Perhaps BH could do the same with our club. ????
It's not what they propose, but it's a possibility. A messy one, though, IMO.

[Billy Whizz]

It's not what they propose, but it's a possibility. A messy one, though, IMO.

Leeann actually spoke about this at one of the fans forums if I can remember correctly

[CropleyWasGod]

Leeann actually spoke about this at one of the fans forums if I can remember correctly
The pitch?

Do you mean the ground?

[Billy Whizz]

The pitch?

Do you mean the ground?

She mentioned the pitch. Seemingly Chelsea fans one the pitch, which is linked to something, which means Romab can't move Chelsea from Stamford bridge without their permission?

http://www.chelseafc.com/fans/chelsea-pitch-owners.html

[CropleyWasGod]

She mentioned the pitch. Seemingly Chelsea fans one the pitch, which is linked to something, which means Romab can't move Chelsea from Stamford bridge without their permission?

http://www.chelseafc.com/fans/chelsea-pitch-owners.html
Ah didn't know that. Cheers.

Not sure that the 2 situations are similar, mind you. STF'S ownership comes from a more philanthropic angle than Abramovich. In any event, as I understand the suggestion that the club and ER as a whole are to be separated, the reasoning is the same ie to prevent ER being sold off.

[Cropley10]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Rangers Football Club Limited (not David Murray) was the owner of the "club". It was that owner (company) that went into administration, not the club, and the legal process then took its course on that company.

There's not really a legal definition of what the "club" is, which is what I'm trying to say. For that reason, unless it's tested in Court, this argument will run on.

Ah yes the old Holding Company Vehicle fantasy. Except you can't be a Club without being a Company - a legal entity. Rangers the club was incorporated in to the Company in eighteen oatcake, the two were synonymous and indivisible.

Only after the Company went bust did the Club suddenly become an ethereal body.

The name of the Company and the Club is written in to its wrought iron gates at Ibrox. The Clumpany went bust and The Rangers, a new Club, was born.

End of.

Only a subservient and fearful media refuses to accept this.

[Cropley10]

She mentioned the pitch. Seemingly Chelsea fans one the pitch, which is linked to something, which means Romab can't move Chelsea from Stamford bridge without their permission?

http://www.chelseafc.com/fans/chelsea-pitch-owners.html

Its a great solution - it creates a check and balance.

[grunt]

Craig Whyte:


Whyte: Rangers were doomed BEFORE I took over
FORMER Rangers owner Craig Whyte has spoken out about his Rangers takeover, claiming the club was ‘already bankrupt’ by the time he bought it for £1.
Speaking to The Sun, Whyte - who was arrested in Mexico last month - claimed that administration was on the cards for Rangers before he came on the scene.
He said: “Rangers would have gone into administration, before I came along, they were taking insolvency advice.”
And Whyte maintains he is innocent of any crime, adding: “I know that I have done absolutely nothing wrong.
“What everyone forgets is I’m the only person in recent years who hasn’t taken a penny out of Rangers.
“All I did was step in to try to rescue a situation that was already way beyond. It was my intention to take it forward as a business and not to see it in the sorry state it is in at the moment.” (The Sun)

[CropleyWasGod]

Ah yes the old Holding Company Vehicle fantasy. Except you can't be a Club without being a Company - a legal entity. Rangers the club was incorporated in to the Company in eighteen oatcake, the two were synonymous and indivisible.

Only after the Company went bust did the Club suddenly become an ethereal body.

The name of the Company and the Club is written in to its wrought iron gates at Ibrox. The Clumpany went bust and The Rangers, a new Club, was born.

End of.

Only a subservient and fearful media refuses to accept this.
And those of us who think differently :)

For the record, you don't have to be a company to be a member club of the SFA.

[Cropley10]

And those of us who think differently :)

For the record, you don't have to be a company to be a member club of the SFA.

Tell me what happened to Gretna FC. How come they're a new club now?

Why couldn't their unbroken history and honours be transferred to the new Gretna.

Likewise Airdrieonians?

Don't forget that when TRFC played their first ever game there were TWO 'Rangers' CLUBS. Players in that game were registered as trialists.

The reason for all this? The SFA and SPL were unable to comprehend that RFC the Clumpany; the combination of players and thing that paid their wages, ran the stadium etc went BUST. It ran out of credit and had to cease trading.

Do you deny that the SFA - as part of the secret 5 way agreement made up rules & memberships to allow 'continuity' Rangers to exist?

[Weststandwanab]

Ah yes the old Holding Company Vehicle fantasy. Except you can't be a Club without being a Company - a legal entity. Rangers the club was incorporated in to the Company in eighteen oatcake, the two were synonymous and indivisible.

Only after the Company went bust did the Club suddenly become an ethereal body.

The name of the Company and the Club is written in to its wrought iron gates at Ibrox. The Clumpany went bust and The Rangers, a new Club, was born.

End of.

Only a subservient and fearful media refuses to accept this.

I would say you have hit the bull's eye there 180 !


Tell me what happened to Gretna FC. How come they're a new club now?

Why couldn't their unbroken history and honours be transferred to the new Gretna.

Likewise Airdrieonians?

Don't forget that when TRFC played their first ever game there were TWO 'Rangers' CLUBS. Players in that game were registered as trialists.

The reason for all this? The SFA and SPL were unable to comprehend that RFC the Clumpany; the combination of players and thing that paid their wages, ran the stadium etc went BUST. It ran out of credit and had to cease trading.

Do you deny that the SFA - as part of the secret 5 way agreement made up rules & memberships to allow 'continuity' Rangers to exist?

Ditto again !

[Glory Lurker]

I can see the "same club" argument both ways, but let's face it where's the fun in saying that RFC did not die stone cold dead in 2012? It's only football, and if it lets us wind up that bunch of arrogant knuckle draggers, I'm quite happy to overlook any reasoned, informed views suggesting the contrary.

Rangers Football Club. Deid.

[Mr White]

I would say you have hit the bull's eye there 180 !
50.

[CropleyWasGod]

Tell me what happened to Gretna FC. How come they're a new club now?

Why couldn't their unbroken history and honours be transferred to the new Gretna.

Likewise Airdrieonians?

Don't forget that when TRFC played their first ever game there were TWO 'Rangers' CLUBS. Players in that game were registered as trialists.

The reason for all this? The SFA and SPL were unable to comprehend that RFC the Clumpany; the combination of players and thing that paid their wages, ran the stadium etc went BUST. It ran out of credit and had to cease trading.

Do you deny that the SFA - as part of the secret 5 way agreement made up rules & memberships to allow 'continuity' Rangers to exist?
Taking Airdrie first, do their support think that they are following the same team as before? If they do, that supports my argument about the emotional thing. If not, it doesn't.

Likewise Gretna.

As.for the 5 way agreement. ...I have no idea what was arranged. As you say, it was secret. I'm sure that we'd all like to know. However, I'm not sure whether we'd be any closer to settling the old club/new club argument.

[CropleyWasGod]

I would say you have hit the bull's eye there 180 !



Ditto again !
Where did you learn to play darts?😕

[greenginger]

Taking Airdrie first, do their support think that they are following the same team as before? If they do, that supports my argument about the emotional thing. If not, it doesn't.

Likewise Gretna.

As.for the 5 way agreement. ...I have no idea what was arranged. As you say, it was secret. I'm sure that we'd all like to know. However, I'm not sure whether we'd be any closer to settling the old club/new club argument.


Maybe some of the secret agreement is about to spill and people are leaving town.


https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/544164642873147393/photo/1

[Greencore]

Well are we the same club? We were called Hibernians, formed in 1875. Played at Hibernians park. Went out of business in 1891 due to celtic taking half our team and heavy mismanagement and formed back again in 1892. Changed our name to Hibernian and moved to easter road. Why do we say we were formed in 1875 and not 1892? Does that mean we have only one the Scottish cup once in 1901-1902 season and not the 1886-1887 season?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hibernian_F.C.

[BroxburnHibee]

Well are we the same club? We were called Hibernians, formed in 1875. Played at Hibernians park. Went out of business in 1891 due to celtic taking half our team and heavy mismanagement and formed back again in 1892. Changed our name to Hibernian and moved to easter road. Why do we say we were formed in 1875 and not 1892? Does that mean we have only one the Scottish cup once in 1901-1902 season and not the 1886-1887 season?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hibernian_F.C.

I've had this argument thrown at me from Rangers fans and I just say 'ok I'll take the 1 Scottish cup and you lot accept you're a new club'

Shuts them up every time :greengrin

[Peevemor]

Well are we the same club? We were called Hibernians, formed in 1875. Played at Hibernians park. Went out of business in 1891 due to celtic taking half our team and heavy mismanagement and formed back again in 1892. Changed our name to Hibernian and moved to easter road. Why do we say we were formed in 1875 and not 1892? Does that mean we have only one the Scottish cup once in 1901-1902 season and not the 1886-1887 season?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hibernian_F.C.


There's a huge difference between reforming a dormant/defunct club and starting a new company specifically to dodge millions of pounds of debt accumulated by the old one.

[Scorrie]

Maybe some of the secret agreement is about to spill and people are leaving town.


https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/544164642873147393/photo/1

Hope he gets the job and takes that numpty Doncaster with him

[Scottie]

Been confirmed on Talk Sport fat Sally away.

Announced on the London Stock Exchange.

[jodjam]

His wages now rise to 750k after he triggered the 12 month to go clause. Hats off to the agent that negotiated that

[Spike Mandela]

Been confirmed on Talk Sport fat Sally away.

Announced on the London Stock Exchange.

Nope he's still working his 12 months notice according to BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30475395

[Aldo]

Just had a Sky Ports News update on phone saying that der Hun have confirmed to Stock Exchange that Sally has indeed resigned.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He won't be there 12 months, it's an impossible situation. £750,000 for being a complete a failure, and this on a weekend matches across Scotland were collecting for food banks.

[Ronniekirk]

Just had a Sky Ports News update on phone saying that der Hun have confirmed to Stock Exchange that Sally has indeed resigned.
Said last night there was going to be a meeting on Thursday this week that would clarify matters so wonder if things are accelerating and if Ashley is putting plans in place behind the scenes and McCoist is making sure he is in strong bargaining position before things hot up

[EdinMike]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30475395

"12 months notice"

So are they paying him in a lump sum or is this "Butcher-esque Gardening Leave"

[Oscar T Grouch]

It would work either way. Probably best for them to put him on gardening leave as they'd only have to wait until he's got another...... Oh they're better paying him off 😜

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30475395

"12 months notice"

So are they paying him in a lump sum or is this "Butcher-esque Gardening Leave"
...or the third way, where he works his notice.

[blackpoolhibs]

...or the third way, where he works his notice.

Wasnt that happening with blobby until Plymouth come in and stole him from us? :wink:

[Bishop Hibee]

£750K clause for last year of contract triggered by handing in his notice! Charles Green is a legend :green grin

Heard this one to the tune of 'Achy Breaky Heart'. Figure at the end altered from the original miserly £450K.

:singing: You can't sack McCoist, Alistair McCoist, I just don't think you understand
That if you sack McCoist, Alistair McCoist, you'll pay 750 grand :singing:

[The Hibee Harp]

Well are we the same club? We were called Hibernians, formed in 1875. Played at Hibernians park. Went out of business in 1891 due to celtic taking half our team and heavy mismanagement and formed back again in 1892. Changed our name to Hibernian and moved to easter road. Why do we say we were formed in 1875 and not 1892? Does that mean we have only one the Scottish cup once in 1901-1902 season and not the 1886-1887 season?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hibernian_F.C.

Off topic, but we were never officially called Hibernians, we were refered to by that name but we were always called Hibernian Football Club.

[Benny Brazil]

His wages now rise to 750k after he triggered the 12 month to go clause. Hats off to the agent that negotiated that

And yet part of the reason he handed in his resignation is his concern over admin staff losing their jobs??
He doesnt do walking away - for nothing.

[rubber mal]

:singing: You can't sack McCoist, Alistair McCoist, I just don't think you understand
That if you sack McCoist, Alistair McCoist, you'll pay 750 grand :singing:

:thumbsup:

[CropleyWasGod]

Off topic, but we were never officially called Hibernians, we were refered to by that name but we were always called Hibernian Football Club.
And just to muddy the waters even more, the company that is Hibernian Football Club Limited didn't come into being until 1902......

[Aldo]

Said last night there was going to be a meeting on Thursday this week that would clarify matters so wonder if things are accelerating and if Ashley is putting plans in place behind the scenes and McCoist is making sure he is in strong bargaining position before things hot up

Cheers for that Ronnie. Didn't realise that!!

[The Hibee Harp]

And just to muddy the waters even more, the company that is Hibernian Football Club Limited didn't come into being until 1902......

A good year....

[The Hibee Harp]

For me, McCoist is working his ticket out of Rangers. IMO he has given up on the title and is now trying to get Rangers to pay him off. There is no way the club can afford for him to remain in that position when he a) doesn't want to be there, and b) cannot plan properly for next season.

I cannot see him remain in his position and go into a new season knowing he has only a few months left but being allowed to bring new players in!

My gut feeling is that he knows something is about to give at Rangers, whether that is another financial imploding or whether it is that he would likely lose his bigger players in this window, I dont know.

[AndyM_1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30475395

"12 months notice"

So are they paying him in a lump sum or is this "Butcher-esque Gardening Leave"

They're bound to put him on Gardening Leave whilst they negotiate a settlement.
Rangers need to move on and appoint Billy Davies/Stuart McCall (if they're sensible) or Terry Butcher(if they are insane) .

Guess it all depends how much hard ball McCoist wants to play with Ashley and vice versa.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Sally and Ashley to sumo wrestle for the 750K. Hard to pick a winner.

[Northernhibee]

Always said I liked Fat Sally.

[Kaiser1962]

Don't forget that when TRFC played their first ever game there were TWO 'Rangers' CLUBS. Players in that game were registered as trialists.



I recall that The Rangers played most, if not all, of their season in Division Three registered with the SFA as Sevco. Cant find the proof at this time but don't think I imagined it and will keep looking.

I get, but don't necessarily buy, the "emotional" argument though although the ship of Theseus springs to mind.

[Kaiser1962]

And just to muddy the waters even more, the company that is Hibernian Football Club Limited didn't come into being until 1902......

11th April 1903 :greengrin (I think)

Something must have happened about that time as there is a whole raft of clubs, some that had been around for a wee while, becoming incorporated around the turn of the century.

HOM, as we all know, became incorporated in March 1903 only to go bust two years later, reappearing as a new entity on 29th April 1905. The emotional argument would be equally applicable over 100 years ago.

[CropleyWasGod]

11th April 1903 :greengrin (I think)

Something must have happened about that time as there is a whole raft of clubs, some that had been around for a wee while, becoming incorporated around the turn of the century.

HOM, as we all know, became incorporated in March 1903 only to go bust two years later, reappearing as a new entity on 29th April 1905. The emotional argument would be equally applicable over 100 years ago.

You're right about the 1903.... does that mean that the SC win doesn't count? :greengrin

It might be that new corporate legislation came about that year, or the governing body changed, or or or.... However, I don't think we would argue that we became a new club in 1903. :cb

[Weststandwanab]

Where did you learn to play darts?

I do not play darts that seems obvious now !

Just recall crowds going crazy and the term One Hundred and Eighty

Ooopppsss

[Mr White]

I do not play darts that seems obvious now !

Bullseye



Just recall crowds going crazy and the term One Hundred and Eighty
You misinterpreted



Ooopppsss
Indeed




:greengrin

[jacomo]

Of course, you are completely right - it will run on and I will argue that oldco died and newco is a new co with no history beyond a D2 and a D1 title. Well aware that oldco fans will argue the opposite, but then of course they would

Fine, but if this club really has no history prior to 2012, why do you care about them and why does this thread still run?

Let's face it - the corporate entity is different but The Rangers is Rangers - same s****, new set up.

[jacomo]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30455818

Poor Swally only resigned because he's upset that other people have lost their jobs!!

:faf:

What an odious fat man he is. If he was worried about other people losing their jobs, he wouldn't be screwing so much money out of the club himself.

[Mr White]

Fine, but if this club really has no history prior to 2012, why do you care about them and why does this thread still run?

Let's face it - the corporate entity is different but The Rangers is Rangers - same s****, new set up.
Maybe so but there are some significant differences. First off they really do care that people don't like them and secondly it's soooo much easier to wind the thick *******s up since liquidation :greengrin

[Andy74]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30455818

Poor Swally only resigned because he's upset that other people have lost their jobs!!

:faf:

What an odious fat man he is. If he was worried about other people losing their jobs, he wouldn't be screwing so much money out of the club himself.

Yep, he's so concerned that he is going back up to taking £750k wages. Good on him.

[jacomo]

Maybe so but there are some significant differences. First off they really do care that people don't like them and secondly it's soooo much easier to wind the thick *******s up since liquidation :greengrin

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30475395

True. This sort of story also annoys me... Rangers were 'demoted' in 2012. They were not. They went out of business, re-applied to the football league and were given a place in the 4th tier.

[crewetollhibee]

Hate McCoist with a passion, but to play Devil's advocate for a moment. I don't think he will see taking his last inflated salary as coming from the fans, but from the owners, and better in his wallet than theirs. No way would him walking away(pun intended), mean that said monies would find their way to the fans. Great fun though isn't it ?

[Onion]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30455818

Poor Swally only resigned because he's upset that other people have lost their jobs!!

:faf:

What an odious fat man he is. If he was worried about other people losing their jobs, he wouldn't be screwing so much money out of the club himself.

NewHuns are the best pantomime in town, and it's FREE :greengrin

Expect them to reach settlement with McCoist this week, however his short career in football management is over. He should never have been given the Sevco job and is walking away before he fails to win the 1st Div with the biggest player budget by far. Back to being Cheeky Chappy on the BBC .. or maybe put in a call to his pal Regan once he gets FA job (hopefully).

All that's left is for Sevco to appoint Butcher before the curtain goes down :greengrin

[jdships]

No wonder the fans are upset - who are these people that claim to be running an efficient business
What a pantomime !!
As for McCoist what an odious man he is what club in their right mind will employ him in the future ?
I remember back in 1981 when he was with St. Johnstone Erich Schaedler commented to me as McC was preparing to join Sunderland " His ego is bigger than his head and it will do him in "
True words methinks !

:blah:

[PatHead]

NewHuns are the best pantomime in town, and it's FREE :greengrin

Expect them to reach settlement with McCoist this week, however his short career in football management is over. He should never have been given the Sevco job and is walking away before he fails to win the 1st Div with the biggest player budget by far. Back to being Cheeky Chappy on the BBC .. or maybe put in a call to his pal Regan once he gets FA job (hopefully).

All that's left is for Sevco to appoint Butcher before the curtain goes down :greengrin

Think the next chapter rather than curtain coming down. This still has a long way to go.

[jacomo]

NewHuns are the best pantomime in town, and it's FREE :greengrin

Expect them to reach settlement with McCoist this week, however his short career in football management is over. He should never have been given the Sevco job and is walking away before he fails to win the 1st Div with the biggest player budget by far. Back to being Cheeky Chappy on the BBC .. or maybe put in a call to his pal Regan once he gets FA job (hopefully).

All that's left is for Sevco to appoint Butcher before the curtain goes down :greengrin

The BBC ban might harm his chances there. And he's been playing the hard man role for so long that I'm not sure he could still find Cheeky Chappy, even if he wanted to.

McCoist has been called out as a liar many times over the past three years and his attempts to manipulate the media have been risible - most recently, leaking his resignation letter (if it was him) and then refusing to comment on 'speculation'.

I hope his career goes the way of Jim Traynor's - downhill fast. These people cared only about themselves and were happy to peddle s*** to cover their own backs. Good riddance.

[ACLeith]

Jim Traynor, completely wiped him from my memory. What's he peddling now? (Not that I'm really that bothered).

[Benny Brazil]

Hate McCoist with a passion, but to play Devil's advocate for a moment. I don't think he will see taking his last inflated salary as coming from the fans, but from the owners, and better in his wallet than theirs. No way would him walking away(pun intended), mean that said monies would find their way to the fans. Great fun though isn't it ?

That maybe how he sees it - but at the end of it all - Rankgers cant afford to pay him off - if he does claim this money then he is putting the clubs financial future in jeopardy.
That's not how a true Rankgers man should act :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Jim Traynor, completely wiped him from my memory. What's he peddling now? (Not that I'm really that bothered).

Think he might be on garden leave as well

[ACLeith]

Think he might be on garden leave as well

His garden will be in full bloom then as he is used to wallowing in S***

[jdships]

The BBC ban might harm his chances there. And he's been playing the hard man role for so long that I'm not sure he could still find Cheeky Chappy, even if he wanted to.

McCoist has been called out as a liar many times over the past three years and his attempts to manipulate the media have been risible - most recently, leaking his resignation letter (if it was him) and then refusing to comment on 'speculation'.

I hope his career goes the way of Jim Traynor's - downhill fast. These people cared only about themselves and were happy to peddle s*** to cover their own backs. Good riddance.


Good post !
Has always evidently had an "ego" problem .
Has too many " if's/but's/maybe's " surrounding him now to return to top flight football managment in the forseeable ( or longer) future
:na na:

[Billy Whizz]

It's going to run and run

http://scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2566&newsCategoryID=1&newsID=14110

Any idea of the penalties if found guilty?

[ballengeich]

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2986&newsID=14110&newsCategoryID=1

Mike will need to practice his handshake.

[Mikey]

It's going to run and run

http://scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2566&newsCategoryID=1&newsID=14110

Any idea of the penalties if found guilty?

More here....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30486272

[CropleyWasGod]

It's going to run and run

http://scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2566&newsCategoryID=1&newsID=14110

Any idea of the penalties if found guilty?

SFA site isn't very clear on the sanctions.

However, I would've thought that the worst they can do is to tell Ashley to withdraw, either from RFC or NUFC.

A large fine for RFC wouldn't go amiss, though.:greengrin

[Stax]

Mcoist resigning triggers a pay rise to 750,000.. You couldn't make it up.

[Bostonhibby]

Mcoist resigning triggers a pay rise to 750,000.. You couldn't make it up.

Loving the fact that Sally doesn't do walking away - in the words of the Hun song - Another "good hun" bleeding the new club dry - another step towards a similar fate to the now defunct Glasgow rangers?

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I don't blame Sally for trying to bail before facing Celtc in the semi. They could get hammered and Sally knows it.

[bingo70]

Loving the fact that Sally doesn't do walking away - in the words of the Hun song - Another "good hun" bleeding the new club dry - another step towards a similar fate to the now defunct Glasgow rangers?

Whenever I speak to anyone about this they say I'd do the same. I genuinely dont think I would though. If I was a millionaire already and taken a great wage from the club that was clearly struggling financially I'd walk away with a clear conscience.

I actually think it's pretty sad that it's assumed everyone would shaft people for as much as they can get.

[Keith_M]

I have a feeling that McCoist knows his Club [sorry CWG, the Company that owns the Club ;-) ] is for the knackers yard. He's bound to know that one of the first actions taken if they go into Administration is give him the heave-ho... without being due a penny in compensation.

With that in mind, why work for them for the next X months for 10k-p/w when you could invoke a clause in your contract that gets you 15k-p/w instead?

[CropleyWasGod]

Whenever I speak to anyone about this they say I'd do the same. I genuinely dont think I would though. If I was a millionaire already and taken a great wage from the club that was clearly struggling financially I'd walk away with a clear conscience.

I actually think it's pretty sad that it's assumed everyone would shaft people for as much as they can get.
Is he shafting them though?

For one thing, they agreed the contract with him.
For another, thus far he's only working his notice.

And he didn't have to agree to the pay cut.

[Keith_M]

Is he shafting them though?

For one thing, they agreed the contract with him.
For another, thus far he's only working his notice.

And he didn't have to agree to the pay cut.


Nope, that was the previous regime.

[Biggie]

Whenever I speak to anyone about this they say I'd do the same. I genuinely dont think I would though. If I was a millionaire already and taken a great wage from the club that was clearly struggling financially I'd walk away with a clear conscience.

I actually think it's pretty sad that it's assumed everyone would shaft people for as much as they can get.

His PA was emptied....if he cared that much surely he'd have covered her salary...maybe £25/30k tops....drop in the ocean to him....greedy twat

[CropleyWasGod]

Nope, that was the previous regime.
There have been so many, one loses count. [emoji6]

[lapsedhibee]

Is he shafting them though?

For one thing, they agreed the contract with him.
For another, thus far he's only working his notice.

And he didn't have to agree to the pay cut.

Think you may be interpreting 'shafting' a bit too legalistically. Footballistically he's certainly shafting them whether he's taking £450k or £750k as he's taking a huge amount of money for doing a s****y job. And long may it continue.

[jonty]

His PA was emptied....if he cared that much surely he'd have covered her salary...maybe £25/30k tops....drop in the ocean to him....greedy twat

She probably picked the team.

[bingo70]

Is he shafting them though?

For one thing, they agreed the contract with him.
For another, thus far he's only working his notice.

And he didn't have to agree to the pay cut.

I realise going by the book he's not shafting them, I just think staying on to get as much as he can from a struggling club that's served him well is pretty poor.

Stuart McCall did the decent thing at Motherwell and I read Paul le guen walked away when it was clear it wasn't working out for him at the old rangers.

Not every decision on life should be based on how much money you can get out of a situation.

[Billy Whizz]

I realise going by the book he's not shafting them, I just think staying on to get as much as he can from a struggling club that's served him well is pretty poor.

Stuart McCall did the decent thing at Motherwell and I read Paul le guen walked away when it was clear it wasn't working out for him at the old rangers.

Not every decision on life should be based on how much money you can get out of a situation.

Strachan walked away from Middlesbough without a payment

[CropleyWasGod]

Think you may be interpreting 'shafting' a bit too legalistically. Footballistically he's certainly shafting them whether he's taking £450k or £750k as he's taking a huge amount of money for doing a s****y job. And long may it continue.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending him.
However, I think that the supporters of every club in the country should sign a petition demanding that he stay and that his salary be doubled.

[Billy Whizz]

Jim Spence on Sportsound suggesting that Sally is going to agree a deal for around £400,000, at a meeting on Wednesday.

[emerald green]

Jim Spence on Sportsound suggesting that Sally is going to agree a deal for around £400,000, at a meeting on Wednesday.

Poor soul. How will he manage on a pittance like that? :cb

[Bostonhibby]

Whenever I speak to anyone about this they say I'd do the same. I genuinely dont think I would though. If I was a millionaire already and taken a great wage from the club that was clearly struggling financially I'd walk away with a clear conscience.

I actually think it's pretty sad that it's assumed everyone would shaft people for as much as they can get.

:agree: Sally knew exactly what he was doing and when was the best time to do it £wise - he will now negotiate as much as he can get for as early an exit as he can get before his "reputation" dips any further - if he really cared about giving the new boys a break he could have walked for nothing - not what he is about though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Another day and Rangers give us not one but two belly laughs: the Sally contract fiasco followed by the SFA charges. This thread should be printed in book form in time for Christmas. It's given me some of the happiest moments of my life.

[speedy_gonzales]

I don't blame Sally for trying to bail before facing Celtc in the semi. They could get hammered and Sally knows it.
I'm sure there are other, perhaps more solid reasons, for McCoist to leave, but I agree with you.
I've said to anyone that will listen that I didn't think he'd be around when the Celtic game comes. Celtic had a sluggish start to the season but I think Rangers would be raped in the cup game.

[Ronniekirk]

SFA site isn't very clear on the sanctions.

However, I would've thought that the worst they can do is to tell Ashley to withdraw, either from RFC or NUFC.

A large fine for RFC wouldn't go amiss, though.:greengrin
I seem to recall a radio programme not that long a go quoting Reagan. Saying they were due to meet with Ashley to give him advice on when he wfould be breaching regulations in relation to having an interest in two clubs in different countries so would assume Ashley knows exactly what is coming down to the maximum amount he can be fined .
What wil be interesting is if they do give him ultimatum to withdraw from one club . I am still sceptical but this week will tell us if the S F A have a backbone or not .

[Famous Fiver]

How has it taken this long for the SFA to act? Ashley has been running the show for months. The question is what will the sanctions be? Knowing our present set of officials, next to nothing. Rod, get it sorted!!!!! ( Preferably before the 27th). Do you have any sway in the corridors of power, old chum? Tell them to sling their hook.

[CropleyWasGod]

I seem to recall a radio programme not that long a go quoting Reagan. Saying they were due to meet with Ashley to give him advice on when he wfould be breaching regulations in relation to having an interest in two clubs in different countries so would assume Ashley knows exactly what is coming down to the maximum amount he can be fined .
What wil be interesting is if they do give him ultimatum to withdraw from one club . I am still sceptical but this week will tell us if the S F A have a backbone or not .
So, even though the SFA told them what they couldn't do, they went ahead and did it anyway?

Hell mend em :)

[emerald green]

So, even though the SFA told them what they couldn't do, they went ahead and did it anyway?

Hell mend em :)

Rangers FC were so used to telling the SFA what to do for years and years they just did what they liked as per usual.

The SFA have no right whatsoever to tell The Rangers what they can and cannot do. :wink:

[The Falcon]

Jim Spence on Sportsound suggesting that Sally is going to agree a deal for around £400,000, at a meeting on Wednesday.

Is that *cough* before or after tax?

Side letter anyone?

[Spike Mandela]

Wonder if he will accept a deferred psyment or would the hypocrite be too fearful he lost out in any insolvency event?

[Eyrie]

Is that *cough* before or after tax?

Side letter anyone?

It'll be a loan from the EBT.

[portycabbage]

Well are we the same club? We were called Hibernians, formed in 1875. Played at Hibernians park. Went out of business in 1891 due to celtic taking half our team and heavy mismanagement and formed back again in 1892. Changed our name to Hibernian and moved to easter road. Why do we say we were formed in 1875 and not 1892? Does that mean we have only one the Scottish cup once in 1901-1902 season and not the 1886-1887 season?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hibernian_F.C.

Technically we weren't a business in 1891 so couldn't go out of business. :greengrin

[Crazyhorse]

Jim Spence on Sportsound suggesting that Sally is going to agree a deal for around £400,000, at a meeting on Wednesday.

The key problem is that with anyone competent in charge Sevco will win the play-off whoever they play against.

[greenginger]

Rangers FC were so used to telling the SFA what to do for years and years they just did what they liked as per usual.

The SFA have no right whatsoever to tell The Rangers what they can and cannot do. :wink:


No wonder Regan is getting out of Dodge !

[Bostonhibby]

Technically we weren't a business in 1891 so couldn't go out of business. :greengrin

:agree: The club wasn't a business, it defaulted on no debts and was never wound up (in fact its last cash was donated to a fund for a memorial to Canon Hannon) nor did it go into admin or any of the other events that have befallen our illustrious rivals.

We could have gone on playing in public parks however a place to play and a structure in which to operate needed to be found - amongst the many who stepped up to the plate to ensure this happened was Philip Farmer, antecedent of STF. More info in the Making of Hibernian - The Harp Awakes - Chapter 14 - Down but not out.

[Bishop Hibee]

That fat roaster Derek 'lardass' Johnston was on SSN defending McCoist. Spouting a load of drivel. He must be getting a share of Ally's pie shop allowance.

[lapsedhibee]

The key problem is that with anyone competent in charge Sevco will win the play-off whoever they play against.

McCall already lined up? Tommy Craig?

[Hermit Crab]

McCall already lined up? Tommy Craig?


Butcher?

[jacomo]

:agree: Sally knew exactly what he was doing and when was the best time to do it £wise - he will now negotiate as much as he can get for as early an exit as he can get before his "reputation" dips any further - if he really cared about giving the new boys a break he could have walked for nothing - not what he is about though.

:agree:

He's getting every last penny he can, just like Chuckie. From the club that already made him a very rich man. That's the history, isn't it?

[The_Exile]

Butcher?

I would pish ma breeks if that happened, purely down to the situation Kenny Miller would find himself in!!! Should've come home lad, should've come home.

[Hermit Crab]

I would pish ma breeks if that happened, purely down to the situation Kenny Miller would find himself in!!! Should've come home lad, should've come home.


Ive always thought butcher would end up back at der hun.

[Leithenhibby]

Ive always thought butcher would end up back at der hun.

Fingers crossed. ....

[AndyM_1875]

I think it'll be Billy Davies personally.
Regardless of his shambles of a tenure at ER they won't touch Butcher, he said far too much stuff that irritated them and he slammed the bigots.

That's about the only time I'll give Terry Butcher credit.

[Weststandwanab]

I think it'll be Billy Davies personally.
Regardless of his shambles of a tenure at ER they won't touch Butcher, he said far too much stuff that irritated them and he slammed the bigots.

That's about the only time I'll give Terry Butcher credit.

I a not sure Ashley would give a monkey's about that if the price was right.

[Bostonhibby]

Butcher?
[emoji1] is he the rangers minded?

[AndyM_1875]

I a not sure Ashley would give a monkey's about that if the price was right.

It won't just be Ashley's decision.

Butcher burned too many bridges there in his autobiography.

[blackpoolhibs]

https://twitter.com/DonsTalk/status/535498930680004608


A wee swear word in it so open at your own discretion. :greengrin

[jacomo]

It won't just be Ashley's decision.

Butcher burned too many bridges there in his autobiography.

Ashley does what he wants.

If he sinks a few pints w Butcher and has a laugh then he won't give a f*** what anyone else thinks.

[Billy Whizz]

Every little bit adds up

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/303747-scottish-fa-to-hear-appeal-as-neil-alexander-wins-84000-from-rangers/

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/303123-rangers-oldco-liquidators-seek-chunk-of-charlie-telfer-tribunal-cash/

[CropleyWasGod]

Every little bit adds up

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/303747-scottish-fa-to-hear-appeal-as-neil-alexander-wins-84000-from-rangers/

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/303123-rangers-oldco-liquidators-seek-chunk-of-charlie-telfer-tribunal-cash/

Interesting. I wondered what the liquidators would say. I get the feeling that there's no love lost between the liquidator, the new club and D&P.

Whether they actually get anything is another story. I still tend to think the law is on the side of NewCo. However, the legal fees will mount for NewCo. :greengrin

[sleeping giant]

I seriously hate all things hunnish (not even capatilised , thats how angry i am)

I am glad the hun hoardes are in pain.

Seriously , **** them :flag:

[Eyrie]

Heard today that the Duff and Phelps liquidators have been suspended by their professional body after being charged over their handling of Huns RIP.

Other rumour of interest is that Ashley only agreed to put the extra £1m into Sevco Huns on the condition that Lewis McLeod is sold to Newcastle in January at a knockdown price.

[portycabbage]

[emoji1] is he the rangers minded?

He's certainly a twat if that answers your question.:greengrin

[hibees 7062]

Butcher?

:agree: Fav for the job

[Moulin Yarns]

Ther might be a bit of a cashflow problem down Govan way

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30510604

:thumbsup:

Let's see if they still claim to be the same football club with the same history now. :greengrin

[Peevemor]

Ther might be a bit of a cashflow problem down Govan way

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30510604

:thumbsup:

Let's see if they still claim to be the same football club with the same history now. :greengrin

So their not the same entity, unless you're speaking about development fees for young players thati is? I wish they'd make up their minds.

[Brunswickbill]

On STV last night a lot of talk about how it would be immoral for Sally to take his wage and do nothing for it. But I can't recall any such criticisism of Butcher for doing the very same thing. Talk about double standards.

[Moulin Yarns]

It just gets worse for them, or better for us.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/rangers-to-appeal-neil-alexander-s-contract-win-1-3636514

[MrSmith]

Loved this comment:


Rangers say they will appeal against the SPFL decision "vigorously".
They argue that the company in breach of the rules has since been liquidated.


Quite clear is the contradictory nature of it!

[Ozyhibby]

Ther might be a bit of a cashflow problem down Govan way

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30510604

:thumbsup:

Let's see if they still claim to be the same football club with the same history now. :greengrin

The timing of this is interesting. Most people would think that this bill had been settled by now as it's about two years since the fine was imposed. The new Rangers have had lots of payments from the SPFL that this could have been deducted from before now with no need to go public.
Could it be that the SPFL believe an insolvency event is about to occur and they don't want to appear on a list of creditors for a sum that they have done the square root of hee haw about collecting for the last two years?

[lapsedhibee]

The timing of this is interesting. Most people would think that this bill had been settled by now as it's about two years since the fine was imposed. The new Rangers have had lots of payments from the SPFL that this could have been deducted from before now with no need to go public.
Could it be that the SPFL believe an insolvency event is about to occur and they don't want to appear on a list of creditors for a sum that they have done the square root of hee haw about collecting for the last two years?

Interesting indeed. Also there's no mention of interest in that article. Shirley that should add on £20k or so to the original fine? Otherwise it would be as if the SPFL had been loaning The The Huns £250k interest-free for the last couple of years, which would be highly unprofessional of them.

[Billy Whizz]

The timing of this is interesting. Most people would think that this bill had been settled by now as it's about two years since the fine was imposed. The new Rangers have had lots of payments from the SPFL that this could have been deducted from before now with no need to go public.
Could it be that the SPFL believe an insolvency event is about to occur and they don't want to appear on a list of creditors for a sum that they have done the square root of hee haw about collecting for the last two years?

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/303827-a-guide-to-how-much-spfl-clubs-are-paid-and-when-prize-money-is-received/

A wee bit info on when prize money is paid

[BH Hibs]

So their not the same entity, unless you're speaking about development fees for young players thati is? I wish they'd make up their minds.

A wee recap anything good that happened in the past same club. Anything bad different club. ****in ratbags.

[Scorrie]

So their not the same entity, unless you're speaking about development fees for young players thati is? I wish they'd make up their minds.

I've got a sair heid trying to work this out. If an insolvency event does happen it will be interesting to see if they get the 10 point or 25 point deduction. They say they're the same club so it's 25 then...

[CropleyWasGod]

I've got a sair heid trying to work this out. If an insolvency event does happen it will be interesting to see if they get the 10 point or 25 point deduction. They say they're the same club so it's 25 then...

It's definitely 25 points, for a 2nd insolvency within 5 years, irrespective of whether the owners are the same.

[Bronson]

Fat Sally to work his 12 month notice after today's meeting.

Excellent news for everyone who isn't a Rangers fan:thumbsup:

[Moulin Yarns]

Fat Sally to work his 12 month notice after today's meeting.

Excellent news for everyone who isn't a Rangers fan:thumbsup:

Rangers, make several office staff redundant one week and Sally almost doubles his salary the following week. The world really is crazy!!

[SteveHFC]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/ntpee.gif

[lapsedhibee]

Fat Sally to work his 12 month notice after today's meeting.

Excellent news for everyone who isn't a Rangers fan:thumbsup:

Board maybe hoping that fan pressure will make Sally volunteer for a pay cut? (When I say pressure, I mean they may leak his home address, that kind of thing.)

[SteveHFC]

http://forum.rangers...pic=277181&st=0 (http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=277181&st=0)

http://i.imgur.com/KiYq1Sw.gif

[Bronson]

Board maybe hoping that fan pressure will make Sally volunteer for a pay cut? (When I say pressure, I mean they may leak his home address, that kind of thing.)

Nonsense, a lot of the fans still have a lot of respect for the guy, just sick of his poor management. As brain-dead as their support generally is, they wouldn't threaten him or his family.

[Pete]

Nonsense, a lot of the fans still have a lot of respect for the guy, just sick of his poor management. As brain-dead as their support generally is, they wouldn't threaten him or his family.

I wouldn't bet on them being that restrained if they get into deeper trouble.

Social unrest. Remember?

[Onion]

Interesting indeed. Also there's no mention of interest in that article. Shirley that should add on £20k or so to the original fine? Otherwise it would be as if the SPFL had been loaning The The Huns £250k interest-free for the last couple of years, which would be highly unprofessional of them.

I like your thinking :agree:

TRFC appear to be in deep deep trouble and about to press the button on another Admin event. For a club that was gifted £ 10s of millions in assets for just a few £££ and raised further £ millions through share offers, they've made a right royal pigs ear of it. Could not happen to a nicer bunch :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

I like your thinking :agree:

TRFC appear to be in deep deep trouble and about to press the button on another Admin event. For a club that was gifted £ 10s of millions in assets for just a few £££ and raised further £ millions through share offers, they've made a right royal pigs ear of it. Could not happen to a nicer bunch :greengrin
I'm presuming that if Rangers were to go into admin again, Mccoist would get his full payment, if he was made redundant, if a new Rangers were to be set up?

[Onion]

I'm presuming that if Rangers were to go into admin again, Mccoist would get his full payment, if he was made redundant, if a new Rangers were to be set up?

Guess so, as it would be a football debt.

Would be ironic if McCoist's severance pay was one of the issues that sent his club back into Admin :greengrin The Huns will start eating each other !

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm presuming that if Rangers were to go into admin again, Mccoist would get his full payment, if he was made redundant, if a new Rangers were to be set up?

If he was TUPE'd over to a new new company, as he was before, his contract would probably continue up to the end of the 12 month notice period.

If he didn't, pretty sure he would only be due salary for the period he worked. The rest of his contract? Don't know, TBH. Not sure if it counts as a football debt for the new new company to take up.

RobinP has been quiet of late.. time to rattle his cage. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Guess so, as it would be a football debt.

Would be ironic if McCoist's severance pay was one of the issues that sent his club back into Admin :greengrin The Huns will start eating each other !

Was just thinking that he may hang on and get full payment, rather than part payment just now, although he could be taking a risk in hanging on

[Billy Whizz]

If he was TUPE'd over to a new new company, as he was before, his contract would probably continue up to the end of the 12 month notice period.

If he didn't, pretty sure he would only be due salary for the period he worked. The rest of his contract? Don't know, TBH. Not sure if it counts as a football debt for the new new company to take up.

RobinP has been quiet of late.. time to rattle his cage. :greengrin

Thought all football debts had to be paid, as Onion mentioned?
I would have thought he would have been due everything that he's to receive, on his 12 month notice period.
Anyone at Hearts who was in the same situation?

[CropleyWasGod]

Thought all football debts had to be paid, as Onion mentioned?
I would have thought he would have been due everything that he's to receive, on his 12 month notice period

I wasn't sure if a manager's salary does count as a football debt, though, as it does with players. Probably does, on reflection.

[Hermit Crab]

I wasn't sure if a manager's salary does count as a football debt, though, as it does with players. Probably does, on reflection.


CWG in your opinion how close are they to the big A again?

[seanshow]

Kevin Kyle on radio scotland there saying some of the players were on £8k a week in the 3rd division, no wonder they re in danger of becoming 'The The Rangers' :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

CWG in your opinion how close are they to the big A again?
It's not looking good. The SPFL fine and the legal fees they're facing have come at the worst time.

They still have cards to play, though. It wouldn't surprise me if Ashley bails them out for the season, and Llambias will surely sort out some cost cutting in the interim. They also have the Celtic game to come.

They could gamble, of course, and take the 25 point hit.....soon....to give them time enough to make it into the playoffs.

[Hermit Crab]

It's not looking good. The SPFL fine and the legal fees they're facing have come at the worst time.

They still have cards to play, though. It wouldn't surprise me if Ashley bails them out for the season, and Llambias will surely sort out some cost cutting in the interim. They also have the Celtic game to come.

They could gamble, of course, and take the 25 point hit.....soon....to give them time enough to make it into the playoffs.


With all that in mind can we see them strengthening in the January window?

[CropleyWasGod]

With all that in mind can we see them strengthening in the January window?
It's a cert :)

[Hermit Crab]

It's a cert :)


Its a cert that they will strengthen their squad ?:confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

Its a cert that they will strengthen their squad ?:confused:
Yeah. Thought you were meaning. ..." we have no cash. What will we do? I know....let's buy some players. ..." [emoji6]

[ballengeich]

Thought all football debts had to be paid, as Onion mentioned?
I would have thought he would have been due everything that he's to receive, on his 12 month notice period.
Anyone at Hearts who was in the same situation?

Do football debts cover any wages due after the date of entering administration? Dunfermline's administrator laid off most of their senior players and they got no more money for the remainder of their existing contracts. I think that if McCoist was still manager when Rangers went into admin he wouldn't be due anything for the remainder of his notice period.

[Hermit Crab]

Yeah. Thought you were meaning. ..." we have no cash. What will we do? I know....let's buy some players. ..." [emoji6]


I hope they don't buy!

[grunt]

Kevin Kyle on radio scotland there saying some of the players were on £8k a week in the 3rd division, no wonder they re in danger of becoming 'The The Rangers' :greengrinBBC article here. Interesting reading, specially regarding his job interview with McCoist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30524862

[jacomo]

BBC article here. Interesting reading, specially regarding his job interview with McCoist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30524862

Reminds of that story about Peter Ridsdale negotiating with Seth Johnson's agent.

Can't remember the exact amounts, but allegedly Ridsdale's opening offer was double the agents top expectation. The agent was speechless - so Ridsdale says 'ok then, £5k a week more... but that's my final offer.'

[Weststandwanab]

Kevin Kyle on radio scotland there saying some of the players were on £8k a week in the 3rd division, no wonder they re in danger of becoming 'The The Rangers' :greengrin

We act for a current player and his salary is substantially more than that figure.

[Keith_M]

Do football debts cover any wages due after the date of entering administration? Dunfermline's administrator laid off most of their senior players and they got no more money for the remainder of their existing contracts. I think that if McCoist was still manager when Rangers went into admin he wouldn't be due anything for the remainder of his notice period.


My understanding is that the Administrators can cancel any contracts.

As long as they've been paid up to that point, there is no Football Debt to the Player/Manager in question.

[JimBHibees]

Reminds of that story about Peter Ridsdale negotiating with Seth Johnson's agent.

Can't remember the exact amounts, but allegedly Ridsdale's opening offer was double the agents top expectation. The agent was speechless - so Ridsdale says 'ok then, £5k a week more... but that's my final offer.'

Yes I think they went in thinking 15k a week would be good and the clubs opening bid was 30k or so. Brilliant. :greengrin

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Yes I think they went in thinking 15k a week would be good and the clubs opening bid was 30k or so. Brilliant. :greengrin

He hoped for 15, was dumbfounded with the opening salvo of 30k and it was that silence that promoted Ridsdale to offer 33k. Mind-boggling.

[Crazyhorse]

He hoped for 15, was dumbfounded with the opening salvo of 30k and it was that silence that promoted Ridsdale to offer 33k. Mind-boggling.

Yeah but at least Ridsdale's insane regime didn't have any long term impact on Leeds Utd...

I always think of him as Petrie's mirror image. The agents have all but agreed £1500 a week and then they sit down with the conduit and he offers £550 with an extra £500 if Hibs win the European Cup in the lifetime of the contract.

[ballengeich]

My understanding is that the Administrators can cancel any contracts.

As long as they've been paid up to that point, there is no Football Debt to the Player/Manager in question.

That's what I thought. We can now look for other motives for McCoist's resignation.

[Off the bar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30545231

Mike Ashley tightens his grip, with Lliambis (sp) announced as new chief executive at the big hoose

[ardecos]

Looks like Derek Llambias is the Huns' new chief executive. What was that about Mike Ashley not having undue influence?

[GordonHFC]

When will 'The Rangers' be officially announced as a feeder club for Newcastle Utd?

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30545231

Mike Ashley tightens his grip, with Lliambis (sp) announced as new chief executive at the big hoose

Ashley will regret this big time when he gets a £10k fine from the SFA.

[Ronniekirk]

Ashley will regret this big time when he gets a £10k fine from the SFA.
Fines won't bother him ,he knows exactly what he is doing and what the consequences are at this stage

[Spike Mandela]

Ashley will regret this big time when he gets a £10k fine from the SFA.

The Scottish Fudge Association will have a team of lawyers working out the best 'punishment that isn't a puishment' available.

Not sure if they can top the £16K fine for around £14 m non payment of taxes. That should be a business plan for every club I would have thought.

[Keith_M]

the Llambias move looks to me like Ashley is playing poker with the SFA to see just how much he can get away with.


Oh and as for the reports in the Papers about Llambias being chosen after an extensive interview process that involved a number of candidates..... aye, right!

[greenginger]

Do the English F A have any rules on duel ownership ?

Or , maybe its OK if one club is a wee diddy team. :greengrin

[Andy74]

Ashley will regret this big time when he gets a £10k fine from the SFA.

:greengrin

[Jim44]

the Llambias move looks to me like Ashley is playing poker with the SFA to see just how much he can get away with.


Oh and as for the reports in the Papers about Llambias being chosen after an extensive interview process that involved a number of candidates..... aye, right!


............. one is a number. :greengrin

[dangermouse]

Do the English F A have any rules on duel ownership ?

Or , maybe its OK if one club is a wee diddy team. :greengrin

Only league teams I think. No such rule for Premiership teams but if Newcastle got relegated...

[Andy74]

Liked this from Daily Mash:

AFTER unsuccessfully resigning, Ally McCoist has admitted that he has no idea how he can stop being Rangers manager.

An emotional McCoist handed in his notice only to be informed by grinning colleagues that he’d received a pay rise and a better parking space.

He said: “It was always going to be a very tough decision to quit the club I love, but I presumed it would be tough emotionally not logistically.

“I’ve tried being Rangers manager and I’ve tried not being Rangers manager and the two things are essentially the same.

“Even death will be no escape, they will find a way to trap my spirit in a jar.”

[s.a.m]

Liked this from Daily Mash:

AFTER unsuccessfully resigning, Ally McCoist has admitted that he has no idea how he can stop being Rangers manager.

An emotional McCoist handed in his notice only to be informed by grinning colleagues that he’d received a pay rise and a better parking space.

He said: “It was always going to be a very tough decision to quit the club I love, but I presumed it would be tough emotionally not logistically.

“I’ve tried being Rangers manager and I’ve tried not being Rangers manager and the two things are essentially the same.

“Even death will be no escape, they will find a way to trap my spirit in a jar.”


:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Keith_M]

............. one is a number. :greengrin


True.


Are you a lawyer? :wink:

[portycabbage]

Liked this from Daily Mash:

AFTER unsuccessfully resigning, Ally McCoist has admitted that he has no idea how he can stop being Rangers manager.

An emotional McCoist handed in his notice only to be informed by grinning colleagues that he’d received a pay rise and a better parking space.

He said: “It was always going to be a very tough decision to quit the club I love, but I presumed it would be tough emotionally not logistically.

“I’ve tried being Rangers manager and I’ve tried not being Rangers manager and the two things are essentially the same.

“Even death will be no escape, they will find a way to trap my spirit in a jar.”

Presumably made easier if the spirit is broken and the jar has no pennies left in it.

[Bostonhibby]

Liked this from Daily Mash:

AFTER unsuccessfully resigning, Ally McCoist has admitted that he has no idea how he can stop being Rangers manager.

An emotional McCoist handed in his notice only to be informed by grinning colleagues that he’d received a pay rise and a better parking space.

He said: “It was always going to be a very tough decision to quit the club I love, but I presumed it would be tough emotionally not logistically.

“I’ve tried being Rangers manager and I’ve tried not being Rangers manager and the two things are essentially the same.

“Even death will be no escape, they will find a way to trap my spirit in a jar.”

:greengrin They are good at this sort of thing the DM are - reminded me of their one about when that nice Mr Romanov acquired the yam - pasted below.

Home Sport 'I THOUGHT I'D BOUGHT A CHAIN OF GARDEN CENTRES' - ROMANOV 'I THOUGHT I'D BOUGHT A CHAIN OF GARDEN CENTRES' - ROMANOV

HEART of Midlothian chairman Vladimir Romanov has admitted that he bought the club after a "catastrophic mistranslation" during a meeting in Edinburgh two years ago.

After parting with a fiver The Lithuanian tycoon is now in discussions with his legal team and is certain to sell his majority shareholding.

Mr Romanov said: "I employed Graham Rix because, as far as I was aware, he had been assistant manager of Dobbies in Kinross.""Then he starts phoning me up telling me that 'training had gone well' but that we 'needed a new playmaker, someone who could put their foot on the ball and control the pace of the game'.

I thought he was a nutter so I sacked him.

"I then brought in one of my own people but within a fortnight he was sending me emails about an argument he was having with someone called Walter Smith over the availability of someone called Paul Hartley. I told everyone he had pneumonia and then shipped him off to a mental hospital near Vilnius.

"Now it turns out that Heart of Midlothian is not a medium sized chain of garden centres with branches in Bathgate, Dalkeith, Musselburgh and Galashiels, but is in fact a football club - one of the biggest in Scotland, if not the world.

"Well that's no use to me. I know nothing about football. But when it comes to running garden centres I'm a bloody genius. Organic, peat-free compost - two bags for a fiver. Freshly cut turf at three-fifty a square yard. That'll shift it."

[pontius pilate]

Fat sally has left his job according to SSN

[Billy Whizz]

Fat sally has left his job according to SSN

Surely not, the before the AGM

[bingo70]

Fat sally has left his job according to SSN

Not sure that's great news for us.

[zlatan]

Not sure that's great news for us.

Depends how long it takes to replace him. Durrant being in charge next week could be fun.

[pontius pilate]

According to SSN twitter feed about 5 mins ago sky sources ally mccoist leaves rangers role. If i knew how to copy it on here using my tablet i would have done

[Billy Whizz]

Not sure that's great news for us.

It is, believe his sidekick McDowell is in charge against us

[Billy Whizz]

According to SSN twitter feed about 5 mins ago sky sources ally mccoist leaves rangers role. If i knew how to copy it on here using my tablet i would have done

Click the top of the page, press copy, and then paste on here

[GreenArmyyy!]

Bad news for us.

[jacomo]

Surely not, the before the AGM

Petrie! :grr:

[pontius pilate]

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/546759809878745088

I hope this works but i believe this is the right twitter feed for fat sally

[Billy Whizz]

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/546759809878745088

I hope this works but i believe this is the right twitter feed for fat sally
He's on gardening leave. Not much work to be done in the garden until March/April at least

[oconnors_strip]

Just read on twitter that super ally has been put on gardening leave

[pontius pilate]

He could meet up with butcher and discuss how to keep the plants going through the winter

[Haymaker]

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/546759809878745088

I hope this works but i believe this is the right twitter feed for fat sally


:faf:

[Winston Ingram]

Some Sunday Post journo on Twitter today was saying Butcher is a done deal to go there :pray:

[zlatan]

Hibs 13/5 on Saturday with bet365...

[Billy Whizz]

Would be nice to see EL tel in the Rangers dug out on Saturday, bring it on

[ballengeich]

Sensible move by the Rangers board. They were going to have to pay him during his year's notice anyway and the cost of a replacement will be covered by increased attendances at Ibrox. Let's hope they don't have anyone competent in place before the 27th.

[pontius pilate]

Somebody saying on the other thread that a sunday post journo has tweeted butcher is a cert for the job

[Pretty Boy]

Some Sunday Post journo on Twitter today was saying Butcher is a done deal to go there :pray:

Hope they get him in for Saturday.

I'd love to give that **** the welcome back to ER he deserves.

[Swedish hibee]

Wanted to see his sour puss after we beat him on Saturday. Wonder who'll be in charge now?