Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[hibee_nation]

If both fans reps are not actively seeking our views on this matter then what is the point of them.

[Ozyhibby]

So, other than emailing Hibs (they've ignored me), contacting fans' reps (they're ignoring us), conducting online polls (bet they've seen them but - ignored), how do we get Hibs to engage or even respond on this? :confused:

It's been the same for me. Club totally blanked me. Not even a courtesy reply.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

So, other than emailing Hibs (they've ignored me), contacting fans' reps (they're ignoring us), conducting online polls (bet they've seen them but - ignored), how do we get Hibs to engage or even respond on this? :confused:



simples, when they tell us how brilliant we all are and would we like to purchase season tickets/half-season tickets/spend money in the club shop :agree:

[greenpaper55]

Page 1314

Remember Bannockburn

Hope within my lifetime there is no such thing as a Brittania to rule the waves or indeed "waive the rules"

No chance.

[green day]

If both fans reps are not actively seeking our views on this matter then what is the point of them.

I dont think its that simple.

Perhaps they think that asking for views will not give a representative answer from the fanbase - e.g. if Tracey asked on here, my old man isnt on .net so how do his views (if he has any) get heard? :dunno:

[JeMeSouviens]

Regan says "only one club" wants an independent investigation. Sadly, it is starting to look like he's right. :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/scotland/41228081

[CropleyWasGod]

Regan says "only one club" wants an independent investigation. Sadly, it is starting to look like he's right. :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/scotland/41228081

How can that be, when presumably a majority of the SPFL members want one?

[WeeRussell]

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=17202 (http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=17202)

I'm no expert on all this - but I think it roughly amounts to "we're doing **** all" ?

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=17202 (http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=17202)

I'm no expert on all this - but I think it roughly amounts to "we're doing **** all" ?

Embarrassingly our chairman is on that SFA board. The man is a disgrace.


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[Ozyhibby]

I dont think its that simple.

Perhaps they think that asking for views will not give a representative answer from the fanbase - e.g. if Tracey asked on here, my old man isnt on .net so how do his views (if he has any) get heard? :dunno:

Where else are they asking then so that they can engage? Right now, they are totally blanking the fans. It's disgraceful behaviour.


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[green day]

Where else are they asking then so that they can engage? Right now, they are totally blanking the fans. It's disgraceful behaviour.


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Everything is a disgrace :thumbsup:

Jesus man relax, you're going to give yourself an aneurysm.

[Smartie]

We've given Hibs record sums of money to watch football this coming season.

They don't give a flying one what we think.

If we were struggling to get cash into the club, Dempster and Petrie would be far more vocal.

I actually think it's a bit crap that Celtic are being isolated on this issue. Their responses have been measured, reasonable and seem to reflect the thoughts and feeling of the fans of all clubs (outside Sevco) in Scotland.

We are all being let down by our own clubs.

[Ozyhibby]

We've given Hibs record sums of money to watch football this coming season.

They don't give a flying one what we think.

That is starting to look the case.


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[Ozyhibby]

The fact the SFA felt the need to release a statement that said nothing new could be a sign they are starting to feel the heat.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[JimBHibees]

We've given Hibs record sums of money to watch football this coming season.

They don't give a flying one what we think.

If we were struggling to get cash into the club, Dempster and Petrie would be far more vocal.

I actually think it's a bit crap that Celtic are being isolated on this issue. Their responses have been measured, reasonable and seem to reflect the thoughts and feeling of the fans of all clubs (outside Sevco) in Scotland.

We are all being let down by our own clubs.

I think it is part of the plan agreed by all clubs. Celtic can say they tried to save face with their fans but end point will be all clubs get to move on.

[Deansy]

It'll be a tragedy if, after achieving record season-ticket sales and assembling the best squad in years, our board goes back to it's old ways and just ignores us !. Don't do it Hibs - talk to the fans before we're back in the dark-age again !!

[Crazyhorse]

Everything is a disgrace :thumbsup:

Jesus man relax, you're going to give yourself an aneurysm.

Well virtually everything around this whole thing is a disgrace to be fair.

Leaving aside the SPFL statement saying that a review would be a good thing, the SFA claiming that only Celtic want a review is an interesting development. They (Regan/Rangers - maybe it should be Regangers?) seem to want to force people to take sides. I think that is a good thing. There is no neutral ground on this one. Time for Hibs' senior management to make clear which side they are on I reckon.

[Ozyhibby]

Well virtually everything around this whole thing is a disgrace to be fair.

Leaving aside the SPFL statement saying that a review would be a good thing, the SFA claiming that only Celtic want a review is an interesting development. They (Regan/Rangers - maybe it should be Regangers?) seem to want to force people to take sides. I think that is a good thing. There is no neutral ground on this one. Time for Hibs' senior management to make clear which side they are on I reckon.

Sitting on the fence is no longer possible. If we say nothing then we are siding with the SFA and a cover up.


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[green day]

Not entirely correct. The SFA includes the likes of lowland leagues, youth and juniors. SPFL is entirely different set of clubs with different ambitions.

Also, you cant go down the road of "SPFL good, SFA bad" here - the make up of the SFA main board which knocked back the SPFL letter includes SPFL reps;

(Alan McRae, President; Stewart Regan, Chief Executive; and Rod Petrie, Vice-President), plus Ralph Topping (SPFL), Michael Mulraney (SPFL), Tom Johnston (Scottish Junior FA) and independent non-executive directors, Barrie Jackson and Gary Hughes.

Just reposting mine from the other day, as a reminder that this is not SPFL v SFA - there are SPFL reps on the SFA board. Make of that what you will, but for me it just shows how complex the political stuff is around this.

I wonder if any individual clubs will start to put statements out later this week? Wouldnt surprise me,

[Ozyhibby]

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/09/11/time-to-go-mr-regan/


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[Ozyhibby]

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[hibee_nation]

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So easy for the club to keep the feel good factor going strong. Tell us you meant it about integrity and want an honest and transparent review of what has went on in the past. If it means we are not squeaky clean then so be it. Time to set the record straight and be at the forefront rather than be dragged along kicking and screaming behing the SFA coat tails.

[Onion]

Sitting on the fence is no longer possible. If we say nothing then we are siding with the SFA and a cover up.


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Reagan interviewed on SSN few mins ago said that the SFA asked all members for feedback on their decision not to support an independent review and (apparently) not one single club disagreed with the decision. :hmmm:

[silverhibee]

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What are other clubs feared of that they are unwilling to step forward and speak out.

[Ozyhibby]

Reagan interviewed on SSN few mins ago said that the SFA asked all members for feedback on their decision not to support an independent review and (apparently) not one single club disagreed with the decision. :hmmm:

He actually said no single club got back to them but it's possible the clubs preferred to go through the SPFL at the time. I now think it's time the clubs started picking sides now. There is no neutral territory left.


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[c31]

What are other clubs feared of that they are unwilling to step forward and speak out.
Maybe there are a few more clubs that used EBTs.
Maybe we did, that why we're keeping our heads down and wishing it would go away. If they don't send some info, all sorts of rumours like this could start.

[ancient hibee]

Maybe there are a few more clubs that used EBTs.
Maybe we did, that why we're keeping our heads down and wishing it would go away. If they don't send some info, all sorts of rumours like this could start.
So is that you starting one?I've got a better one ,maybe we didn't use EBTs.

[marinello59]

So easy for the club to keep the feel good factor going strong. Tell us you meant it about integrity and want an honest and transparent review of what has went on in the past. If it means we are not squeaky clean then so be it. Time to set the record straight and be at the forefront rather than be dragged along kicking and screaming behing the SFA coat tails.

The club will keep the feel good factor going by having a team that performs well on the park.

[Spike Mandela]

How can that be, when presumably a majority of the SPFL members want one?

Exactly. They clearly want collective responsibility on demanding an independent inquiry but the SFA clearly trying to spin that it is Celtic alone.

Time for somebody with a spine to put their head above the parapet. Unfortunately due to his ambitions at the SFA I strongly suspect that it won't be Rod 'sporting integrity' Petrie or indeed anyone else at Hibs.

[CropleyWasGod]

Exactly. They clearly want collective responsibility on demanding an independent inquiry but the SFA clearly trying to spin that it is Celtic alone.

Time for somebody with a spine to put their head above the parapet. Unfortunately due to his ambitions at the SFA I strongly suspect that it won't be Rod 'sporting integrity' Petrie or indeed anyone else at Hibs.Well that took a weird turn 🤣

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[BegbieHSC]

I've said this on another thread, but i really think that Rod needs to choose either us or the SFA - Hibernian Football Club, or Regan's lap dog!

We need a board independent of SFA influence, and be able to stand and be counted in the face of corruption!

[Spike Mandela]

Well that took a weird turn 🤣

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:smug::smug::smug:

[Ozyhibby]

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[Cropley10]

What are other clubs feared of that they are unwilling to step forward and speak out.

Bullets in the post. Bombs in the post. Being assaulted in the street. Or at traffic lights in the car? Threats, statements, abuse? :dunno:

In short, the Klan. A permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace.

[Kaiser1962]

Well that took a weird turn 🤣

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And likely not the last.....

[JeMeSouviens]

Rangers Tax-Case‏ @rangerstaxcase 17h17 hours ago
Any fearless journalist want to win an award?
I have a question I would like you to ask of the @scottishfa ...




Rangers Tax-Case‏ @rangerstaxcase 17h17 hours ago
Question: exactly when did @scottishfa first learn that side-letters were a factor in RFC tax investigation?




Rangers Tax-Case‏ @rangerstaxcase 17h17 hours ago
Follow-up: Knowing / having reason to suspect RFC had a rule-breaking tax scheme at that precise time, what did @scottishfa do about it?


Nothing to see here, let's all just "move on". :rolleyes:

[JeMeSouviens]

Desailly trolls the Huns. :greengrin

https://twitter.com/marceldesailly/status/907636237095391235

[JeMeSouviens]

Looks like RTC (see tweets 2 posts above) is now briefing our old pal, Phil:

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/09/13/supplementary-transparency-required/

Once again underlining the tragic state of Scottish journalism. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/opinion-stephen-mcilkenny-on-why-sfa-review-is-necessary-for-real-change-1-4561256
Good article


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[HoboHarry]

Does Jim Traynor really think that the internet doesn't exist? Or does he honestly think that everyone else is that stupid enough to believe everything he says?

https://mobile.twitter.com/gibbygibbo1/status/908377478640611329/video/1

[JeMeSouviens]

Does Jim Traynor really think that the internet doesn't exist? Or does he honestly think that everyone else is that stupid enough to believe everything he says?

https://mobile.twitter.com/gibbygibbo1/status/908377478640611329/video/1

Lee Wallace's "I'm even dumber than you think" act is truly a joy to behold. :greengrin

[Killiehibbie]

Does Jim Traynor really think that the internet doesn't exist? Or does he honestly think that everyone else is that stupid enough to believe everything he says?

https://mobile.twitter.com/gibbygibbo1/status/908377478640611329/video/1
The club wasn't liquidated! Traynor must be the same as Wallace in not knowing what that word means.

[lapsedhibee]

Does Jim Traynor really think that the internet doesn't exist? Or does he honestly think that everyone else is that stupid enough to believe everything he says?

https://mobile.twitter.com/gibbygibbo1/status/908377478640611329/video/1

The central nervous system of a gastropod's ill-equipped to deal with complicated financial concepts like liquidation, so it's perfectly possible that JT doesn't recognise that any such event took place.

[JeMeSouviens]

The fat slug before he offishully became the Goebbels of Govan:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/jim-traynor-column-rangers-must-1119155


Some Rangers fans believe the club's history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that.

A new club open to all from the very beginning.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/james-traynor-spl-will-not-be-able-1129166


Rangers FC as we know them are dead. It’s all over. They are about to shut down for ever


But Rangers FC won’t. They’ll slip into liquidation within the next couple of weeks with a new company emerging but 140 years of history, triumph and tears, will have ended.

No matter how Charles Green attempts to dress it up, a newco equals a new club. When the CVA was thrown out Rangers as we know them died.

[lapsedhibee]

The fat slug before he offishully became the Goebbels of Govan:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/jim-traynor-column-rangers-must-1119155



http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/james-traynor-spl-will-not-be-able-1129166

So is he the same slug now, or are there two quite distinct slugs? :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

So is he the same slug now, or are there two quite distinct slugs? :confused:He bought some of the assets of the old slug. One of them was the ability to be both a slug and a chameleon at the same time.

[HIGHLANDLEITHER]

Good article in Scotsman today by Stephen McKilkenny. In a country where we appear to have no investigative journalists , he has broken rank and is asking why there should not be an inquiry into the SFA. Worth a read and also opportunity to vote.

[MKHIBEE]

Lee Wallace's "I'm even dumber than you think" act is truly a joy to behold. :greengrin
Is that possible?

[Ozyhibby]

https://thecelticblog.com/2017/09/blogs/the-scotsmans-stephen-mcilkenny-brings-courage-and-clarity-to-our-call-for-a-review/


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[Deansy]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/opinion-stephen-mcilkenny-on-why-sfa-review-is-necessary-for-real-change-1-4561256
Good article


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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/poll-should-there-be-an-independent-review-of-the-sfa-1-4561529

Poll on : Should there be an independent reviewe of the SFA currently running at 95% FOR it !!



Does Jim Traynor really think that the internet doesn't exist? Or does he honestly think that everyone else is that stupid enough to believe everything he says?

https://mobile.twitter.com/gibbygibbo1/status/908377478640611329/video/1

Thank God Traynor's not happy to 'let it go and move on' - as long as he and his sort continue with their ****** you - We got away with it so we can say/do what we like' attitude, balls will eventually be discovered that takes these clowns on head-first !

[jacomo]

Does Jim Traynor really think that the internet doesn't exist? Or does he honestly think that everyone else is that stupid enough to believe everything he says?

https://mobile.twitter.com/gibbygibbo1/status/908377478640611329/video/1


Never heard the Swally / Traynor interview before.

'Day of reckoning.'

:hilarious

[lapsedhibee]

Never heard the Swally / Traynor interview before.

'Day of reckoning.'

:hilarious

:hilarious I think the fat slug imagines that he himself will preside over this reckoning, dispensing summary justice to internet bampots and Alex Thomson.

[Ronniekirk]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/poll-should-there-be-an-independent-review-of-the-sfa-1-4561529

Poll on : Should there be an independent reviewe of the SFA currently running at 95% FOR it !!




Thank God Traynor's not happy to 'let it go and move on' - as long as he and his sort continue with their ****** you - We got away with it so we can say/do what we like' attitude, balls will eventually be discovered that takes these clowns on head-first !

The poll to date shows 1 390!people voting for an independent review and hardly anyone against The question is how does this get to a wider audience to attract enough signatures to start putting pressure on the S F A They are just trying to ride out the storm and hope this goes away
Momentum will be lost or fragmented if there are just polls and i individuals just posting more of the same
Is there nothing planned so every clubs supporters can all unfurl a banner on the same day at all matches being played with a simple message
Aberdeen fans have been good in the past having banners outside Hamden drawing attention to issues
The Rangers have mobilised fans and ran a consistent media campaign that there fans
Got behind and you could argue to a certain extent to date its worked in shifting opinion to the viewpoint its time to move on



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[Ozyhibby]

The poll to date shows 1 390!people voting for an independent review and hardly anyone against The question is how does this get to a wider audience to attract enough signatures to start putting pressure on the S F A They are just trying to ride out the storm and hope this goes away
Momentum will be lost or fragmented if there are just polls and i individuals just posting more of the same
Is there nothing planned so every clubs supporters can all unfurl a banner on the same day at all matches being played with a simple message
Aberdeen fans have been good in the past having banners outside Hamden drawing attention to issues
The Rangers have mobilised fans and ran a consistent media campaign that there fans
Got behind and you could argue to a certain extent to date its worked in shifting opinion to the viewpoint its time to move on



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Share it on your Facebook, Twitter etc. It won't take long to get out there.
Every poll I see on this shows overwhelming support for a review.


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[MrSmith]

SFA to ditch Rangers EBT probe at board meeting today.

[MyJo]

The poll to date shows 1 390!people voting for an independent review and hardly anyone against The question is how does this get to a wider audience to attract enough signatures to start putting pressure on the S F A They are just trying to ride out the storm and hope this goes away
Momentum will be lost or fragmented if there are just polls and i individuals just posting more of the same
Is there nothing planned so every clubs supporters can all unfurl a banner on the same day at all matches being played with a simple message
Aberdeen fans have been good in the past having banners outside Hamden drawing attention to issues
The Rangers have mobilised fans and ran a consistent media campaign that there fans
Got behind and you could argue to a certain extent to date its worked in shifting opinion to the viewpoint its time to move on



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Has nobody started a petition on change for this? Given the Rangers fans start these petitions at the drop of a hat it seems strange that scottish football fans are crying out for a way to have thier voices heard and deliver a message to the SFA and nobody has done this yet?

[JeMeSouviens]

SFA to ditch Rangers EBT probe at board meeting today.

SPFL? SFA board has already stonewalled it.

[JeMeSouviens]

RTC twitter:



Confirming what has been said elsewhere.
Very positive news on the Judicial Review.
Still hurdles but it looks like there is a path forward.

8:49 AM - 20 Sep 2017

[JeMeSouviens]

SFM‏ twitter (Scottish Football Monitor, the site that grew out of the RTC blog):

Incoming. JR very much a goer.
8:43 AM - 20 Sep 2017

[JeMeSouviens]

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/09/19/liquid-lies-and-solid-facts/

[JeMeSouviens]

Has nobody started a petition on change for this? Given the Rangers fans start these petitions at the drop of a hat it seems strange that scottish football fans are crying out for a way to have thier voices heard and deliver a message to the SFA and nobody has done this yet?

The trouble with a public petition is that it would be polluted by Huns within about 5 mins.

[MrSmith]

Is in the DR but didn't want to link to that pile of excrement!

[JeMeSouviens]

Spfl

spfl board statement
thursday 21st september 2017

the spfl board is disappointed in the scottish fa’s decision not to participate in an independent review.

The spfl board still believes that an independent review, promoted jointly by the scottish fa and spfl, would have resulted in a better understanding of the procedures and processes adopted by football’s governing bodies. Such a review would also have enabled any lessons learned to be implemented for the future benefit of the game in scotland.

Spfl chairman murdoch maclennan commented: “the spfl board has been clear that any meaningful review would have had to be carried out in association with the scottish fa and with the full and active co-operation of both organisations.

"the spfl board has therefore concluded that it cannot, by itself, take forward an effective independent review."

[MrSmith]

Spfl

SPFL it was then :)

I guess we expected that outcome anyway. Hopefully the RTC or SFM will take matters forward.

[JeMeSouviens]

SPFL it was then :)

I guess we expected that outcome anyway. Hopefully the RTC or SFM will take matters forward.

:agree:

[Deansy]

According to the 'Scottish Daily Hun' the SPFL have had a serious fall-out with the SFA - does anyone really believe that 'Bezzie mates' Regan and Doncaster are really at odds with each other ??. I certainly don't, I think they're just acting out a part of their overall plan in trying to make it look as if they were serious (the SPFL) about an investigation - because for me, if an investigation was carried out, the first two to be found guilty, sacked and possibly facing criminal charges would be these two !!!


WAR OF WORDS SPFL confirms it has SCRAPPED plans for Rangers EBT review as league chiefs take swipe at SFA for refusing to back the plan League chiefs had called for an investigation but have dropped the demands following the SFA's refusal to get involved

By Robert Collins
21st September 2017, 10:59 am
Updated: 21st September 2017, 2:29 pmComments







THE SPFL have SCRAPPED plans for an independent review into Scottish football’s handling of the Rangers EBT saga – and taken a swipe at the SFA for refusing to back the plan.
League chiefs had called for a wide-ranging investigation into the handling of Rangers’ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14923/rangers/) tax turmoil leading to liquidation in 2012.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/09/nintchdbpict000193573546.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100
(https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1593642/rangers-ebt-u-turn-spfl-review-confirmed-scrapped/#) Keith Campbell - The Sun Glasgow
2 (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1593642/rangers-ebt-u-turn-spfl-review-confirmed-scrapped/)

Neil Doncaster has been forced into climbdown over review call https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/09/nintchdbpict0003294913442.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100

(https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1593642/rangers-ebt-u-turn-spfl-review-confirmed-scrapped/#) Kenny Ramsay - The Sun Glasgow

2 (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1593642/rangers-ebt-u-turn-spfl-review-confirmed-scrapped/)


SFA chief Regan refused to support a review The SPFL, led by Neil Doncaster, called on the SFA to get behind the plan to look at how football authorities have handled clubs’ non-payment of taxes (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1332921/rangers-titles-spfl-no-investigation/).

But the SFA rejected the request, claiming “raking over the coals” could only damage the game (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1530831/sfa-spfl-rejects-independent-review-rangers-ebts-image/).

The SPFL board met today where it was accepted that a review WON’T happen.

A statement from league chiefs said: “The SPFL Board is disappointed in the Scottish FA’s decision not to participate in an independent review.

“The SPFL Board still believes that an independent review, promoted jointly by the Scottish FA and SPFL, would have resulted in a better understanding of the procedures and processes adopted by football’s governing bodies.

“Such a review would also have enabled any lessons learned to be implemented for the future benefit of the game in Scotland.”







“The SPFL Board has therefore concluded that it cannot, by itself, take forward an effective independent review.”
SFA chief executive Stewart Regan had previously insisted Celtic (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14914/celtic/) were the ONLY club out of 108 members who wanted the review (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1546411/sfa-stewart-regan-peter-lawwell-celtic-rangers-ebt/).
Aberdeen (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14898/aberdeen/), Hibs (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14943/hibernian/), Ross County (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14924/ross-county/) and Kilmarnock (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14919/kilmarnock/) have declared a desire to move on from the issue.
SunSport Online also revealed Rangers sent a furious letter to Regan saying they were “angry and upset” (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1568440/rangers-furious-letter-sfa-neil-doncaster-ebt/) over Doncaster’s attempts to hold a judicial review into the EBT issue.

[Eyrie]

Rangers sent a furious letter to Regan saying they were “angry and upset” (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1568440/rangers-furious-letter-sfa-neil-doncaster-ebt/)
I thought that five year olds would have outgrown such temper tantrums.

[ancient hibee]

Sent a letter to Regan to complain about Doncaster?Why not send the letter to Doncaster?

[MichaelTheCelt]

Alves out injured with a torn calf, might be a blessing for them he is rotten.

[silverhibee]

Alves out injured with a torn calf, might be a blessing for them he is rotten.


:confused:

[oneone73]

Alves out injured with a torn calf, might be a blessing for them he is rotten.

You seem to be confusing us with someone who gives a ****.

[MichaelTheCelt]

oooooh....your mr nicey mask is slipping
Eh? Considering since day one when I signed up here every single heid the baw on this site replies with their ever so witty comments, gets a bit tiring. If they can dish it out they can take it back then!

I'm quite happy to chat with folk and have a bit of a joke, I don't go out my way to insult or put in condescending comments to anyone, not on this site and not on others.

[marinello59]

Eh? Considering since day one when I signed up here every single heid the baw on this site replies with their ever so witty comments, gets a bit tiring. If they can dish it out they can take it back then!

I'm quite happy to chat with folk and have a bit of a joke, I don't go out my way to insult or put in condescending comments to anyone, not on this site and not on others.

If you throw out personal insults like you did on your previous post you will need be here long. Up to you.

[Jack Hackett]

Eh? Considering since day one when I signed up here every single heid the baw on this site replies with their ever so witty comments, gets a bit tiring. If they can dish it out they can take it back then!

I'm quite happy to chat with folk and have a bit of a joke, I don't go out my way to insult or put in condescending comments to anyone, not on this site and not on others.

I am absolutely prepared to speak to anyone, at any time, on any subject, with the proviso that that person isn't a disrespectful prick.

Hi Michael. How ya doin'?

[greenginger]

I see from Glasgow Sherrif Court rolls a company called Orlit Enterprises have a case against Sevco starting on Wednesday.

Orlit tried to wind Sevco up a couple of years ago over some unpaid bill run up by Big Hauns Green.

No idea if it's a re-run or what, good luck to them anyway . :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

I see from Glasgow Sherrif Court rolls a company called Orlit Enterprises have a case against Sevco starting on Wednesday.

Orlit tried to wind Sevco up a couple of years ago over some unpaid bill run up by Big Hauns Green.

No idea if it's a re-run or what, good luck to them anyway . :greengrin

Green? He was ages go. Shirley Orlit should have engaged a solicitor from somewhere other than Arbroath who could have advised them that it was better to move on than to pursue this?

[greenginger]

Green? He was ages go. Shirley Orlit should have engaged a solicitor from somewhere other than Arbroath who could have advised them that it was better to move on than to pursue this?

Yeah, Orlit are some Singapore based finance consultants who arranged some investment meetings back in Green's days at Ibrox and never got paid.

Maybe they are trying again or maybe someone else at Ibrox has been using them and they've been bumped again.

[Siralbertkidd]

Yeah, Orlit are some Singapore based finance consultants who arranged some investment meetings back in Green's days at Ibrox and never got paid.

Maybe they are trying again or maybe someone else at Ibrox has been using them and they've been bumped again.

Why dont they just move on, its no good raking over the coals.....

[HoboHarry]

Excellent if true. Things warming up nicely....... :greengrin

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/10/05/return-to-lender/

[CropleyWasGod]

Excellent if true. Things warming up nicely....... :greengrin

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/10/05/return-to-lender/Lovely as it sounds, I hae ma doots.

How would it be the "talk of the City", when the only people that would know about these letters (that arrived yesterday, he says) are the recipients and HMRC.

Not convinced by the story about the "financial advisers" bit either. As far as we've been led to believe, it was RFC that had that role.

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[HoboHarry]

Lovely as it sounds, I hae ma doots.

How would it be the "talk of the City", when the only people that would know about these letters (that arrived yesterday, he says) are the recipients and HMRC.

Not convinced by the story about the "financial advisers" bit either. As far as we've been led to believe, it was RFC that had that role.

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Ferkin doom merchant. I'm more of a glass half full guy and so am wishing for nothing but disasters falling on their collective bigoted heads..... :greengrin

[snedzuk]

Excellent if true. Things warming up nicely....... :greengrin

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/10/05/return-to-lender/

Comment by 'JAMES' under the story hints at inside knowledge!

[Keith_M]

So, Hector wants his unpaid taxes forthwith from the EBT recipients.


Will that affect the new club?

[lapsedhibee]

So, Hector wants his unpaid taxes forthwith from the EBT recipients.


Will that affect the new club?

It will if, to avoid any liability at all, the new club has to let it be known that it's a new club. Hilarious wouldn't even come close.

[CropleyWasGod]

So, Hector wants his unpaid taxes forthwith from the EBT recipients.


Will that affect the new club?It won't affect the company that currently owns the fitba club, if that's what you mean. [emoji48] [emoji48] [emoji48]

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[Keith_M]

It won't affect the company that currently owns the fitba club, if that's what you mean. [emoji48] [emoji48] [emoji48]

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So no effect on the current entity playing at Ibrox and calling itself Rangers, then?

[CropleyWasGod]

So no effect on the current entity playing at Ibrox and calling itself Rangers, then?....is an acceptably diplomatic reply. [emoji16]

There was a time when it might have been possible for the company in liquidation to buy the fitba club, but that ship sailed with the tax case verdict.

Whilst I'm writing this, I'm trying to remember if Whittaker had an EBT... or was that before his time?

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[HoboHarry]

Panel on Takeovers are in front of Lord Tyre tomorrow at COS - could it be? :pray:

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/current-business/court-rolls/court-roll?id=5e3b40a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

[Deansy]

Excellent if true. Things warming up nicely....... :greengrin

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/10/05/return-to-lender/

'I'm led to believe that several of the main actors in the administration of the EBT scam at a certain dead football club in Scotland'

This could be great, rats have no problem at all in saving themselves at the expense of their nearest & dearest - wouldn't it be lovely if it all eventually results in criminal-charges ! :dizzy:

[Moulin Yarns]

Panel on Takeovers are in front of Lord Tyre tomorrow at COS - could it be? :pray:

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/current-business/court-rolls/court-roll?id=5e3b40a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

Hope we aren't deflated by the verdict

[Saturday Boy]

Hope we aren't deflated by the verdict

You never know, it could be a good year.

[grunt]

Comment by 'JAMES' under the story hints at inside knowledge!I don't think so.

[CropleyWasGod]

You never know, it could be a good year.Or a Kwik-fix.

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[greenlex]

Wishful thinking or truth?

[CropleyWasGod]

Wishful thinking or truth?The liquidator will want to get his hands on that. [emoji16]

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[ancient hibee]

£15000 each?

[Deansy]

Wishful thinking or truth?

You're forgetting how it works -

Titles/Trophies/Medals etc, etc - they're the old club

Debts, Court-orders, bills etc, etc - they're the new club


Tch, tch, tch ..................

[CropleyWasGod]

£15000 each?It will be split between the clubs who were in the SPL at the time, on the basis of the agreement in place.

So £5.9m between Celtc and Oldco, and the remainder between the rest. [emoji849]

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[MrSmith]

Dave King in court today:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/dave-king-faces-legal-action-after-failure-to-bid-for-rangers-shares-1-4584917

[Bostonhibby]

Dave King in court today:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/dave-king-faces-legal-action-after-failure-to-bid-for-rangers-shares-1-4584917

always baffled me, if its such a great business with great prospects, running itself compliantly and legally. no skeletons in the closet why wouldn't dodgy Dave want to hoover up all these shares? they're bound to rise in value.

Come on open the warchest, it's spare change surely.:wink:

[Brunswickbill]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/videocelts.com/2017/10/blogs/latest-news/king-is-skint/amp/

[Deansy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/videocelts.com/2017/10/blogs/latest-news/king-is-skint/amp/



Sorry but all I'm getting is 'Server not found' ??

[HoboHarry]

Sorry but all I'm getting is 'Server not found' ??
Try this

https://videocelts.com/2017/10/blogs/latest-news/king-is-skint/

[silverhibee]

COUGH UP DAVE Judge urged to force Rangers chair Dave King to make £11million offer for remaining club shares in unprecedented order
Advocate James McNeill QC told Lord Bannatyne that the Panel On Takeovers and Mergers believes the Ibrox boss hasn’t complied with the law - and should offer to buy the remaining shares.

A JUDGE has been urged to pass an unprecedented order which would force Rangers chairman Dave King to make an £11million offer for the remaining shares in the club.

Advocate James McNeill QC told Lord Bannatyne that the Panel On Takeovers and Mergers believes the Ibrox boss hasn’t complied with the law.

The lawyer told the judge how the 2006 Companies Act dictates that entrepreneurs who hold a 30 per cent stake in businesses are compelled to make and offer to buy remaining shares.

He said that financial investigators believe they have established that Mr King acted “in concert” with three wealthy fans who are nicknamed the “Three Bears”.

The silk said that Mr King teamed up with George Letham, George Taylor and Douglas Park to acquire more than 30 per cent of voting rights in Rangers in late 2014.

Mr McNeill told the Court of Session how financial investigators concluded that Mr King was in control of the shares and should be liable to make an offer for the remaining shares

However, the Court of Session heard how Mr King told the investigators that he didn’t act with the three other businessmen.

He told the financial investigators that 14 per cent of the shares were controlled a company called New Oasis Asset Management Limited which was registered in the British Virgin Islands.

Mr King allegedly told investigators that these shares were purchased using money from his family trust.

The businessman said the company was independent from him.

However, the court heard that financial investigators had obtained emails showing that Mr Letham had been in touch with him over the share purchase.

The investigators also concluded that Mr King controlled New Oasis Asset Management Limited shares and was therefore liable to follow company law and make an offer at 20 pence per share.

Urging Lord Bannatyne to pass the order, Mr McNeil said: “Mr King is in fact in control of the voting rights.

“The court should be satisfied that it can make an order seeking compliance under the legislation.”

Mr McNeill was speaking on the first day of a two day debate at the Court of Session.

The panel, which regulates deals in the UK, has stated that it had started proceedings in Edinburgh after Mr King ignored an order to make an offer for the remaining shares – this is despite the fact that the club is no longer listed.

Under UK rules, any group of shareholders that builds up a 30 per cent stake in a public company has to make a cash offer to buy the rest of the shares at the highest price they have paid over the past 12 months.

In Mr King’s case, this is 20 pence a share.

It is the first time since the panel was granted enforcement powers more than a decade ago that it has sought a court order.

On Thursday, Mr McNeil told Lord Bannatyne that on December 31 2014, the ‘three bears’ purchased 16.23 per cent of shares in Rangers.

The lawyer then said that Mr King contacted financial services firm Cantor Fitzgerald and instructed that 14.73 per cent of the shares in Rangers be purchased.

The court heard that the money used to buy the shares came from Mr King’s family trust. The shares were held by NOAML.

Mr McNeill said the four men acted “in concert” with each other. He said that evidence of this came from an email that had been sent from Mr Letham to Mr King.

The court heard that financial watchdogs had obtained a copy of this email. Mr McNeill said that in the email, Mr Letham reminded Mr King to “stay under” 30 per cent.

Mr McNeill added: “It was a concert party and this can be shown in the email which was sent to Mr King. It shows that the people were aware of the mandatory offer provision when the 30 per cent barrier was met.”

Mr McNeill said that Mr King told financial investigators that NOAML acted independently of him.

The lawyer also said that Mr Letham told financial investigators that he and his other bears didn’t act with Mr King.

Financial investigators then showed Mr Letham an email which showed contact between him and Mr King.

Mr McNeill said: “When shown this email, Mr Letham said ‘that’s really surprising me.’”

The court heard that financial investigators concluded that Mr King was in charge of the NOAML shares when he was able to remove members of the Rangers board in January 2015.

Mr McNeill also said that financial investigators established that Mr King was in charge of the NOAML shares at an extraordinary general meeting of the club in March 2015.

The lawyer said that NOAML hand’t responded to requests from financial investigators to explain the nature of the club and that Mr King also hadn’t provided information about the firm.

Mr McNeill added: “He didn’t provide any evidence that NOAML exercised any action independent of him.”

Mr McNeill said this entitled the panel to conclude that Mr King was in control of the 30 per cent shareholding stake and should make an offer to buy the remaining shares.

The court also heard that Rangers shares are currently worth around 27 pence and Mr King would be expected to make an offer at 20 pence.

The hearing, before Lord Bannatyne, continues.

[lapsedhibee]

“When shown this email, Mr Letham said ‘that’s really surprising me.’”

:faf:

[HoboHarry]

“When shown this email, Mr Letham said ‘that’s really surprising me.’”

:faf:
He was surprised - that one of his goat molesting cabal had let it be out there.....:greengrin

[Deansy]

Try this

https://videocelts.com/2017/10/blogs/latest-news/king-is-skint/

Cheers Mate !

King skint ?? Don't think he's ever had the famous 'Warchest' but neither do I believe he's skint - just another line to yet another court as he knows it would take ages to determine his actual financial position !



Still, he passed the 'Fit & Proper' test so we can just move on .........................

[HoboHarry]

Cheers Mate !

King skint ?? Don't think he's ever had the famous 'Warchest' but neither do I believe he's skint - just another line to yet another court as he knows it would take ages to determine his actual financial position !



Still, he passed the 'Fit & Proper' test so we can just move on .........................
Oh I'm quite certain that SARS know precisely what he is worth and they will be watching him like a hawk. I doubt he is skint either but I also doubt he as is rich as the Sevco zombies think he is.....

[Hibs Class]

Cheers Mate !

King skint ?? Don't think he's ever had the famous 'Warchest' but neither do I believe he's skint - just another line to yet another court as he knows it would take ages to determine his actual financial position !



Still, he passed the 'Fit & Proper' test so we can just move on .........................

Not skint, but morally bankrupt.

[greenginger]

https://twitter.com/BBCAlLamont/status/918768728451551234

The BBC don't seem to want to cover this story. :confused:

[Keith_M]

https://twitter.com/BBCAlLamont/status/918768728451551234

The BBC don't seem to want to cover this story. :confused:


I expect they've been dictated to about what they can and cannot report from within Ibrox.

[Tornadoes70]

https://twitter.com/BBCAlLamont/status/918768728451551234

The BBC don't seem to want to cover this story. :confused:

Lamont seems to have disappeared! What have Sevco-Level 5-Traynor mafia done with him? Hope he's not been harmed.

:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Lamont seems to have disappeared! What have Sevco-Level 5-Traynor mafia done with him? Hope he's not been harmed.

:greengrin

Been silenced by his boss and as a result is now considering his position :fibber:

[Tornadoes70]

Been silenced by his boss and as a result is now considering his position :fibber:

Kissing Traynor's ring appears to be his current position. :greengrin

GGTTH

[CropleyWasGod]

Today's events.

https://stv.tv/amp/1399868-dave-king-knew-he-had-to-make-11m-rangers-shares-bid/

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[HoboHarry]

Today's events.

https://stv.tv/amp/1399868-dave-king-knew-he-had-to-make-11m-rangers-shares-bid/

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What's your take the proceedings mate?

[CropleyWasGod]

What's your take the proceedings mate?As with all reporting of Court events, it's difficult to know the context and nuance of what's been said.

At face value, I don't see why the Court won't rule that the offer has to be made.

If DK doesn't have the ready cash, it's within the power of the Court to sequestrate him. He'd therefore have to sell some of his assets to pay for the shares.

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[HoboHarry]

As with all reporting of Court events, it's difficult to know the context and nuance of what's been said.

At face value, I don't see why the Court won't rule that the offer has to be made.

If DK doesn't have the ready cash, it's within the power of the Court to sequestrate him. He'd therefore have to sell some of his assets to pay for the shares.

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Pretty much my take on it too. If they find in favor of King they may as well dismantle the take over panel. That said, I would like to know what assets he has in Scotland......

[HoboHarry]

Out of interest - where is Ozyhibby in all of this? Not like him to be quiet on matters Sevco.....

[Smartie]

Out of interest - where is Ozyhibby in all of this? Not like him to be quiet on matters Sevco.....

I'm pretty sure he spontaneously combusted the day we released the "moving on" statement.

[HoboHarry]

I'm pretty sure he spontaneously combusted the day we released the "moving on" statement.
So both Stokesy and Ozy are on fire?

:greengrin

[Tornadoes70]

Pretty much my take on it too. If they find in favor of King they may as well dismantle the take over panel. That said, I would like to know what assets he has in Scotland......

Perhaps he owns a blindfold and a pair of brogues allied with tailored slacks specially for rolling up his trouser legs, among other things?

:greengrin

Aside from the above attempts at jest. I think the COS ruling will be to comply with the Takeover Panel's order to make good the share offer. I can't see any other outcome.

GGTTH

[CropleyWasGod]

Pretty much my take on it too. If they find in favor of King they may as well dismantle the take over panel. That said, I would like to know what assets he has in Scotland......The TP are UK based.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that a Trustee who was appointed to sequestrate him would have the power to gather in foreign assets.

There's also the complication of him owning shares in RFC.....what would happen to them? [emoji21]

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[JeMeSouviens]

This is quite amazing on many levels. I'm not sure whether I'm more surprised that a Sevconian could come up with several examples of joined up thinking or that it would get published on FF.

Lots of realism, only a couple of nuggets of delusion and lashings of good old fashioned Schadenfreude. :wink:

https://www.followfollow.com/the-state-of-the-rangers-union-2017/

[Iain G]

This is quite amazing on many levels. I'm not sure whether I'm more surprised that a Sevconian could come up with several examples of joined up thinking or that it would get published on FF.

Lots of realism, only a couple of nuggets of delusion and lashings of good old fashioned Schadenfreude. :wink:

https://www.followfollow.com/the-state-of-the-rangers-union-2017/

Remarkably sensible, open minded and realistic! He'll be hounded out of Govan by the baying hoardes shortly :greengrin

[hibee_nation]

He could have saved a lot of time by typing were pash and we know we are. Followed by WATP

[Bostonhibby]

This is quite amazing on many levels. I'm not sure whether I'm more surprised that a Sevconian could come up with several examples of joined up thinking or that it would get published on FF.

Lots of realism, only a couple of nuggets of delusion and lashings of good old fashioned Schadenfreude. :wink:

https://www.followfollow.com/the-state-of-the-rangers-union-2017/That's a really good sensible read.

I hope he's getting the plywood sheets screwed onto his window frames right now and makes the flight out of Govan or Belfast on time.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Mike Ashley taking the piss. :not worth

http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/sports-direct-launches-rangers-branded-teddy-bear-called-timmy-1-4596249

[scotia44]

Mike Ashley taking the piss. :not worth

http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/sports-direct-launches-rangers-branded-teddy-bear-called-timmy-1-4596249

Comes with wound with stitches on both head and foot/paw WTF is all that about :confused:

[JeMeSouviens]

Comes with wound with stitches on both head and foot/paw WTF is all that about :confused:

It just met "exuberant" Hibby bear. :wink:

[Seveno]

Mike Ashley taking the piss. :not worth

http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/sports-direct-launches-rangers-branded-teddy-bear-called-timmy-1-4596249

I might buy one. Just for the comedy value.

[HoboHarry]

More trouble at Mordor if this is true......

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-call-emergency-board-meeting-to-discuss-pedro-caixinha-1-4596936

[Joe6-2]

Timmy! 😂😂

[Scott Allan Key]

Comes with wound with stitches on both head and foot/paw WTF is all that about :confused:

Lobotomised.

[Crazyhorse]

More trouble at Mordor if this is true......

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-call-emergency-board-meeting-to-discuss-pedro-caixinha-1-4596936



How much will the pay off be?

I suppose replacing him with Kenny Miller will help save some cash. What they really need, of course, is a manager who has a clue.

[Is It On....]

How much will the pay off be?

I suppose replacing him with Kenny Miller will help save some cash. What they really need, of course, is a manager who has a clue.

At least Mr Lennon will not be "in the frame" 😂😂

[Deansy]

How much will the pay off be?

I suppose replacing him with Kenny Miller will help save some cash. What they really need, of course, is a manager who has a clue.

That and a genuine warchest !!

[HoboHarry]

Phil Mac suggesting that the Takeover Panel judgement is imminent......

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/10/27/pedro-leaves-and-dave-braces-for-impact/

[greenginger]

Latest piece from JJ.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Now I know he can spraff a load of bollocks, but if a fraction of this is true, then the **** will hit the fan of the Scottish Legal system.

[HoboHarry]

Latest piece from JJ.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Now I know he can spraff a load of bollocks, but if a fraction of this is true, then the **** will hit the fan of the Scottish Legal system.
Correct - popcorn time if even some of it is true......

[brog]

Latest piece from JJ.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Now I know he can spraff a load of bollocks, but if a fraction of this is true, then the **** will hit the fan of the Scottish Legal system.


It looks & reads like a very genuine document. Quite amazing & shameful also. It sounds like The Sevco Cop, Jim Robertson, was based on the corrupt Jambo cop in Filth. IIRC he was also named Robertson, Irvine's wee dig at Round Robbo!

[Hibby70]

Well I don't think it's something someone else would just make up.

[CropleyWasGod]

"I will publish comments that I don’t agree with"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

No idea if true or not but very believable. If you want to get into crime, make sure it’s the white collar type. When it comes to allocating police resources, the cries of ‘we need more bobbies on the street’ are always heeded before the hiring of accountants.


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[Billy Whizz]

Can someone please summarise the popcorn bits please

[fat freddy]

Can someone please summarise the popcorn bits please

You'll need a bumper bag of popcorn to take in the latest scandal. You need to read it, the scale of institutional corruption surrounding Rangers is staggering.
I wonder what Rangers song Robertson sang as he intimidated his victim? Truly Mental!

[Jack Hackett]

You'll need a bumper bag of popcorn to take in the latest scandal. You need to read it, the scale of institutional corruption surrounding Rangers is staggering.
I wonder what Rangers song Robertson sang as he intimidated his victim? Truly Mental!

Even money on something containing the phrase 'Fenian blood'

[CropleyWasGod]

I wonder if JJ has got hold of a storm in a teacup.

I've had a few dealings with the Justice Committee over the years. They're pretty strict about their deadlines for one thing. I see that the alleged submission was written on the day of the deadline. Perhaps, quite simply, it was submitted late and therefore not accepted.

All JC submissions have to be published, supportive or not.

The other thing that strikes me is that this all took place in October 2016. Surely, if the submission was "refused", we would have heard about it by now. The complainer would have found a way to get it out there.

Finally, JJ asserts that the complainer won't be unhappy that it's now in the public domain. I'm not so sure. The defenders in his £9m (?) civil case would jump on it as being prejudicial.

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[HoboHarry]

I wonder if JJ has got hold of a storm in a teacup.

I've had a few dealings with the Justice Committee over the years. They're pretty strict about their deadlines for one thing. I see that the alleged submission was written on the day of the deadline. Perhaps, quite simply, it was submitted late and therefore not accepted.

All JC submissions have to be published, supportive or not.

The other thing that strikes me is that this all took place in October 2016. Surely, if the submission was "refused", we would have heard about it by now. The complainer would have found a way to get it out there.

Finally, JJ asserts that the complainer won't be unhappy that it's now in the public domain. I'm not so sure. The defenders in his £9m (?) civil case would jump on it as being prejudicial.

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Stop raining on our parade ya w****r.......

:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Stop raining on our parade ya w****r.......

:greengrin🤣🤣🤣

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[greenginger]

I wonder if JJ has got hold of a storm in a teacup.

I've had a few dealings with the Justice Committee over the years. They're pretty strict about their deadlines for one thing. I see that the alleged submission was written on the day of the deadline. Perhaps, quite simply, it was submitted late and therefore not accepted.

All JC submissions have to be published, supportive or not.

The other thing that strikes me is that this all took place in October 2016. Surely, if the submission was "refused", we would have heard about it by now. The complainer would have found a way to get it out there.

Finally, JJ asserts that the complainer won't be unhappy that it's now in the public domain. I'm not so sure. The defenders in his £9m (?) civil case would jump on it as being prejudicial.

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The submission is headed " Submission by David Whitehouse to the COPFS Inquiry Wednesday 19th October. "

Could that date not be descriptive of the Inquiry rather than the date it was actually written ?

[CropleyWasGod]

The submission is headed " Submission by David Whitehouse to the COPFS Inquiry Wednesday 19th October. "

Could that date not be descriptive of the Inquiry rather than the date it was actually written ?I looked at the JC website, and the deadline for submissions was ( I think..I'm on my phone, so can't double check) the same day.

The process is that all submissions are made by a certain date. The admin staff then collate them, publish them on the website..... and then the JC consider them in their own meetings.

They may also have taken oral evidence, but that would be after the deadline date.

It is possible that the JC did accept the submission, but decided not to publish it, in view of its potential for prejudicing the civil case...but AFAIK they should publish every submission.

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[Stonewall]

I wonder if JJ has got hold of a storm in a teacup.

I've had a few dealings with the Justice Committee over the years. They're pretty strict about their deadlines for one thing. I see that the alleged submission was written on the day of the deadline. Perhaps, quite simply, it was submitted late and therefore not accepted.

All JC submissions have to be published, supportive or not.

The other thing that strikes me is that this all took place in October 2016. Surely, if the submission was "refused", we would have heard about it by now. The complainer would have found a way to get it out there.

Finally, JJ asserts that the complainer won't be unhappy that it's now in the public domain. I'm not so sure. The defenders in his £9m (?) civil case would jump on it as being prejudicial.

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Distracts attention from the questions over Duff and Phelps' conduct of Rangers' liquidation though.

[CropleyWasGod]

Distracts attention from the questions over Duff and Phelps' conduct of Rangers' liquidation though.BDO have a civil case pending.

As JJ suggests, though, any criminal case went out the window with the ineptitude of the polis.

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[CropleyWasGod]

In other news, TRFC have increased their turnover......

And doubled their losses [emoji23]

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[HoboHarry]

In other news, TRFC have increased their turnover......

And doubled their losses [emoji23]

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Seriously? Is there a link to the figures?

[JeMeSouviens]

Seriously? Is there a link to the figures?

https://media.rangers.co.uk/uploads/2017/11/Rangers-Reports-and-Accounts-2017.pdf

They need another £4M of loans to get through this season and are forecasting needing £3.2M next.

[Radium]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171103/00cbca230296e94b32d6c3b338873c4a.jpg


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[CallumLaidlaw]

https://media.rangers.co.uk/uploads/2017/11/Rangers-Reports-and-Accounts-2017.pdf

They need another £4M of loans to get through this season and are forecasting needing £3.2M next.

Yet they choose to pay Pena & Alves upwards of £25k a week. Absolutely insane.


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[Ozyhibby]

Yet they choose to pay Pena & Alves upwards of £25k a week. Absolutely insane.


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Without FFP in Scotland they will get away with it. Run a bit short? No probs, just get another loan from a mysterious source in Asia.
Just need to move on.


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[HoboHarry]

In other news, TRFC have increased their turnover......

And doubled their losses [emoji23]

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Come on mate - get on the phone to Caversham Green and gie us yer best overall view of the figures provided.......

[wookie70]

At some point the money will run out and we will have to decide if The The Rangers can be let back in again without penalty

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1401495-rangers-losses-leave-club-relying-on-interest-free-loans/

[ano hibby]

Yet they choose to pay Pena & Alves upwards of £25k a week. Absolutely insane.


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Surely not?
£2.5m a year on 2 players...those 2 players too😂

[Hibernia&Alba]

At some point the money will run out and we will have to decide if The The Rangers can be let back in again without penalty

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1401495-rangers-losses-leave-club-relying-on-interest-free-loans/

Of course they'd be allowed to stroll back in again, claiming starting in League Two following liquidation IS punishment. The precedent has been set: illegal use of tax schemes is fine.

[Eyrie]

At some point the money will run out and we will have to decide if The The Rangers can be let back in again without penalty

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1401495-rangers-losses-leave-club-relying-on-interest-free-loans/

They won't be allowed back in, but following precedent The The Rangers will take their place.

Question - will we call the next club based at Ibrox The The Rangers, The Sevco or just Huns?

[Bostonhibby]

They won't be allowed back in, but following precedent The The Rangers will take their place.

Question - will we call the next club based at Ibrox The The Rangers, The Sevco or just Huns?The team formerly known as the team that replaced the now defunct Glasgow rangers?

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[The Pointer]

This piece from STV is such good news. We've been waiting a long time and our patience is unquenchable. Drip, drip, drip.....

[Hibernia&Alba]

They won't be allowed back in, but following precedent The The Rangers will take their place.

Question - will we call the next club based at Ibrox The The Rangers, The Sevco or just Huns?

Rangers the Third. It's rhyming slang tae.

[Bostonhibby]

The Loan rangers.

[Stonewall]

At some point the money will run out and we will have to decide if The The Rangers can be let back in again without penalty

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1401495-rangers-losses-leave-club-relying-on-interest-free-loans/

New Oasis guaranteeing to provide loans but King's lawyers stated in court that he had no control over their assets. Also no undertaking to provide further loans from the other directors.

Interesting.

[Velma Dinkley]

I don't understand anything that John James guy writes.

[Bostonhibby]

New Oasis guaranteeing to provide loans but King's lawyers stated in court that he had no control over their assets. Also no undertaking to provide further loans from the other directors.

Interesting.

As long as governments turn a blind eye (whilst spouting indignantly about them) to the tax dodging and criminality of off shore trusts and similar this problem will always go on, sadly.

It is nice of this seemingly random business just to choose by complete chance to give this money to sevco, makes you wonder if its Vladimir Romanov and it's somebody else's money Oasis have been playing at sevco with.

[grunt]

I don't understand anything that John James guy writes.Ha! You and me both.

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder if these figures will have a bearing on McInnes decision

[southsider]

New Oasis guaranteeing to provide loans but King's lawyers stated in court that he had no control over their assets. Also no undertaking to provide further loans from the other directors.

Interesting.
Did King's lawyers also claim he was skint and could not afford to buy all the shares, as ordered by the court, but can give Goven FC interest free loans ? Taking the p*ss me thinks.

[Kavinho]

They won't be allowed back in, but following precedent The The Rangers will take their place.

Question - will we call the next club based at Ibrox The The Rangers, The Sevco or just Huns?

3rd Rangers.

Straight to the point and ensure its never forgotten. Plus its got a nice historical nod to that other defunct Glasgow club.

[Stonewall]

Wonder if these figures will have a bearing on McInnes decision

Has McInnes even been approached?

My money's on Murty (Only 20p though).

[Ozyhibby]

Sevco’s losses by season:
2012/13 -£14m
2013/14 - £8.1m
2014/15 - £7.5m
2015/16 - £3.3m
2016/17 - £6.7m

Total for last five years - £39.6m

Anyone know why UEFA FFP rules appear not to affect them?


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[Stonewall]

Did King's lawyers also claim he was skint and could not afford to buy all the shares, as ordered by the court, but can give Goven FC interest free loans ? Taking the p*ss me thinks.

I think so.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Did King's lawyers also claim he was skint and could not afford to buy all the shares, as ordered by the court, but can give Goven FC interest free loans ? Taking the p*ss me thinks.

Also forgetting that they have nearly £1m (allegedly) to take McInnes from aberdeen

[CropleyWasGod]

Did King's lawyers also claim he was skint and could not afford to buy all the shares, as ordered by the court, but can give Goven FC interest free loans ? Taking the p*ss me thinks.The defence is that Oasis is not controlled by him. It's a family trust that is not at his disposal.

It's entirely feasible that he, personally, can be asset-rich but penny-skint. The obvious solution would be to realise some of his assets to pay for the shares, but I'm not sure if the Court have the power to order that.

(By the way, the Court haven't made up their mind on the shares question yet)

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[Tornadoes70]

The defence is that Oasis is not controlled by him. It's a family trust that is not at his disposal.

It's entirely feasible that he, personally, can be asset-rich but penny-skint. The obvious solution would be to realise some of his assets to pay for the shares, but I'm not sure if the Court have the power to order that.

(By the way, the Court haven't made up their mind on the shares question yet)

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Its irrelevant how much he has, doesn't have or has no control over really. He's been found guilty of acting in concert by the TOP and being in clear breach of the normal rules and shouldn't have a leg to stand on so to speak. The Court should order him to make good on the share offer irrespective of his pleading poverty. It'll be very interesting to see which way this goes and read Lord Bannatyne's judgment.

Lets hope the gasl is held to account.

GGTTH

[Eyrie]

The team formerly known as the team that replaced the now defunct Glasgow rangers?

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Rangers the Third. It's rhyming slang tae.


The Loan rangers.


3rd Rangers.

Straight to the point and ensure its never forgotten. Plus its got a nice historical nod to that other defunct Glasgow club.

An excellent selection of nominations and the winner is ..... (opens envelope) ..... 3rd Rangers!

[Springbank]

On page 1320 id like to make a reference to the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath.

Dear Mr King
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself

But while we are on, thanks for gifting us the glory back on 21 May 2016

[jacomo]

Will they never, ever learn?

I wonder if Alastair Johnston rejoined the board to try and find a new buyer?

[seanshow]

Ach it be fine this time, they are using the yamenomic logic of ''we owe the money to ourselves''

If the hun go t**s up a second time it would be hilarious.

[CropleyWasGod]

Its irrelevant how much he has, doesn't have or has no control over really. He's been found guilty of acting in concert by the TOP and being in clear breach of the normal rules and shouldn't have a leg to stand on so to speak. The Court should order him to make good on the share offer irrespective of his pleading poverty. It'll be very interesting to see which way this goes and read Lord Bannatyne's judgment.

Lets hope the gasl is held to account.

GGTTH

Yup...that was an irrelevance in the Court case IMO.

If the COS uphold the TP's judgement, and DK can't comply, it probably becomes a criminal matter.

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[Tornadoes70]

Yup...that was an irrelevance in the Court case IMO.

If the COS uphold the TP's judgement, and DK can't comply, it probably becomes a criminal matter.

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Absolutely.

it seemed bizarre to plead poverty at this stage as normally it would be used at the later stage mitigation if non compliance occurred. The gasl appears to be at the outer limits of stretching a Courts tolerance levels with his mendacity. I'm sure its not escaped the Lords who are some of the most sharply focused and highly intelligent minds in the country who should come to the correct outcome of ordering him to make good the share offer.

:flag:

[hibsbollah]

According to one of the Sportsound goons the hun have spent £10million on players in the summer, not including wages. So it's not difficult to analyse why and from where the £6.7million loss reported today comes from. It's evidence of a pathological inability to behave like a normal business. Live within their means, promote youth players and focus on quality coaching and they actually have a good business model with the levels of income they have. Shame they're too stupid to follow it :aok:

[Smartie]

According to one of the Sportsound goons the hun have spent £10million on players in the summer, not including wages. So it's not difficult to analyse why and from where the £6.7million loss reported today comes from. It's evidence of a pathological inability to behave like a normal business. Live within their means, promote youth players and focus on quality coaching and they actually have a good business model with the levels of income they have. Shame they're too stupid to follow it :aok:

The problem they have is that if they actually lived within their means then their attendances and income stream would drop off.

I'm genuinely unconvinced that the "entity known as Rangers" in whatever form is actually viable. They need to spend more than they earn to attract the big crowds. Nobody is prepared to plough in the difference to keep them viable long-term, and they exist from short-term loan to short-term loan. If they shrink what they spend, they will shrink what they earn by more.

Every club appears to be able to cut their cloth accordingly, apart from them. (And I would grudgingly throw our chums across the city into this bracket. They had their generation of over-spending, but what they are managing to do with their donations to keep the club going whilst they build that much-needed new stand is deserving of the tiniest bit of acknowledgment in my book).

I genuinely believe they have a second "insolvency event" coming to them, possibly not imminently, but when it does happen, they will find it very hard to emerge from it.

[Ozyhibby]

According to one of the Sportsound goons the hun have spent £10million on players in the summer, not including wages. So it's not difficult to analyse why and from where the £6.7million loss reported today comes from. It's evidence of a pathological inability to behave like a normal business. Live within their means, promote youth players and focus on quality coaching and they actually have a good business model with the levels of income they have. Shame they're too stupid to follow it :aok:

The players they bought in the summer are not included in these accounts. That will be next years losses.


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[Is It On....]

The problem they have is that if they actually lived within their means then their attendances and income stream would drop off.

I'm genuinely unconvinced that the "entity known as Rangers" in whatever form is actually viable. They need to spend more than they earn to attract the big crowds. Nobody is prepared to plough in the difference to keep them viable long-term, and they exist from short-term loan to short-term loan. If they shrink what they spend, they will shrink what they earn by more.

Every club appears to be able to cut their cloth accordingly, apart from them. (And I would grudgingly throw our chums across the city into this bracket. They had their generation of over-spending, but what they are managing to do with their donations to keep the club going whilst they build that much-needed new stand is deserving of the tiniest bit of acknowledgment in my book).

I genuinely believe they have a second "insolvency event" coming to them, possibly not imminently, but when it does happen, they will find it very hard to emerge from it.

It sort of goes back to much maligned Fergus McCann. He created the foundations with the 60,000 all seater stadium which is about 10,000 more than Ibrox. Simplistically, this creates a potential revenue gap of £5m - £6m per season. It was hidden during the EBT years but is what they are now struggling with now and they need great luck in the transfer market, a great manager and / or a poor Celtic manager to realistically compete. Living within your means after years of "creative financing" makes for some uncomfortable helpings of reality, a process our neighbours are also finding difficult to deal with.

[hibsbollah]

The players they bought in the summer are not included in these accounts. That will be next years losses.


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So it's worse than that! Excellent :greengrin

[Kaiser1962]

The major concern that I see is that The Rangers wages as a proportion of turnover is pretty much ideal at 60%. This was always the case (generally) with Old Rangers who were paying their players other ways, but I notice it is still the case. It's not really a concern as such from here, but you know what I mean.

As for finding a buyer they would have to clear of the loans which appear to growing each season with the club failing to trouble Celtic which they have to do to accumulate from their speculation. In reality they are not even close.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

As long as Celtic continue to qualify for the group stage of the CL they won't be losing much sleep about whatever goes on at Ibrox.

[Iain G]

Steve McClaren being linked to the managers position now... :greengrin:thumbsup:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mcclaren-in-the-frame-for-rangers-9xc27fgwr

[Bostonhibby]

Steve McClaren being linked to the managers position now... :greengrin[emoji106]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mcclaren-in-the-frame-for-rangers-9xc27fgwrExcellent if true we've not really got over the loss of Pedro or father dougal so fair play to sevco if they fill the comic book figure role in Scottish football so quickly.

Another one who'll be expensive to get rid off after half a season as well so everyone's a winner.

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[Deansy]

Steve McClaren being linked to the managers position now... :greengrin:thumbsup:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mcclaren-in-the-frame-for-rangers-9xc27fgwr

Hope so - McInnes might actually be able to do a job for them !!

[Hibernia&Alba]

Have they asked Aberdeen about McInnes yet? He's the obvious choice.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Steve McClaren being linked to the managers position now... :greengrin:thumbsup:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mcclaren-in-the-frame-for-rangers-9xc27fgwr

You couldn't make it up..... Ffs Steve Mclaren!!

[greenginger]

You couldn't make it up..... Ffs Steve Mclaren!!



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2236344/Steve-McClaren-Wally-Brolly-defeat-Croatia-year-anniversary.html


The Wally with the Brolly ! :greengrin

[Mainstandman]

The players they bought in the summer are not included in these accounts. That will be next years losses.


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My understanding is that Douglas Park paid for the players and the managers pay off himself. The club dont the have the money as a going concern to fund that kind of payment.

[Ozyhibby]

I hope they do get McInnes. There is no way he can achieve what their fans expect, so would eventually be hounded out. In the meantime, it causes disruption at Aberdeen.


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[greenlex]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2236344/Steve-McClaren-Wally-Brolly-defeat-Croatia-year-anniversary.html


The Wally with the Brolly ! :greengrin
He will look quite dapper when he gets the bowler hat on.

[jacomo]

Hope so - McInnes might actually be able to do a job for them !!


Seems to me they are following the Scott Allan strategy -

Leak McInness interest to the media, try and destabilise rival club, then make derisory offer.

I hope they are as successful! McInnes is a good fit for the Dons and Scottish football needs a strong Aberdeen. :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Seems to me they are following the Scott Allan strategy -

Leak McInness interest to the media, try and destabilise rival club, then make derisory offer.

I hope they are as successful! McInnes is a good fit for the Dons and Scottish football needs a strong Aberdeen. :wink:

But it would be funny if he told them to bolt :lolrangers:

[JeMeSouviens]

Couple of interesting snippets from the New Huns' accounts. The forecast of £7.2M funding required to keep the lights on this season and next assumes:

- qualification and participation in European football next season (presumably group phase since that's when you start making money?)
- £0 net transfer spend
- all further loans to come from King & family's NOAL trust (not sure how this squares with inability to fund TP enforced share buyout?)


So it looks like the other directors have got fed up pumping in the cash and want King to start ponying up. Presumably these figures are before Pedro got the bullet, so won't factor in his payoff and cash required to get new mug in.

[MrSmith]

Couple of interesting snippets from the New Huns' accounts. The forecast of £7.2M funding required to keep the lights on this season and next assumes:

- qualification and participation in European football next season (presumably group phase since that's when you start making money?)
- £0 net transfer spend
- all further loans to come from King & family's NOAL trust (not sure how this squares with inability to fund TP enforced share buyout?)


So it looks like the other directors have got fed up pumping in the cash and want King to start ponying up. Presumably these figures are before Pedro got the bullet, so won't factor in his payoff and cash required to get new mug in.

As we only have one place in the Champions League, how can he justify loans given they will get nowhere near winning the SPL for the foreseeable? The SFA/SPFL need to do their job now and end this continued farce.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Couple of interesting snippets from the New Huns' accounts. The forecast of £7.2M funding required to keep the lights on this season and next assumes:

- qualification and participation in European football next season (presumably group phase since that's when you start making money?)
- £0 net transfer spend
- all further loans to come from King & family's NOAL trust (not sure how this squares with inability to fund TP enforced share buyout?)


So it looks like the other directors have got fed up pumping in the cash and want King to start ponying up. Presumably these figures are before Pedro got the bullet, so won't factor in his payoff and cash required to get new mug in.

But didn't King's lawyer recently say he is flat broke? They are going to go tits up again as they try to catch Celtic.

[CropleyWasGod]

Finally got round to looking at the RFC accounts, and would add my own observations to the others.

1. "the loans are considered to be quasi-equity". It is hoped that there will be a share issue in 2018, at which point these will be converted into shares.

2. they are interest-free and unsecured. Some, although not clear which, are repayable in July next year.

3. "our stadium is of the highest standard" Did they get the roof fixed?

4. some of the Caixinha buys are in these accounts, most not.

5. 1st team-squad costs were £10.4 m.

6. these £6m loss was actually after the costs of sorting out the SD stuff, which was about £3m. So, in trading terms, they only made a loss of £3m. Well done, chaps.

7. the assumptions about future funding are based on their need to be in the Europa League group stages 3 years out of 5. 1 of them has already gone. :greengrin

8. the directors don't get paid.

I'm not sure MSM has picked up on point 7....... :cb

[jacomo]

Hope so - McInnes might actually be able to do a job for them !!


Seems to me they are following the Scott Allan strategy -

Leak McInness interest to the media, try and destabilise rival club, then make derisory offer.

I hope they are as successful! McInnes is a good fit for the Dons and Scottish football needs a strong Aberdeen. :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

But didn't King's lawyer recently say he is flat broke? They are going to go tits up again as they try to catch Celtic.

I've tried to get hold of NOAL's accounts, with no luck.

NOAL is a family trust, so it isn't his personal cash. The Court case was about his personal ability to buy the other shares. He may have a lot of equity in NOAL, whilst still being cash-poor.

[CropleyWasGod]

As we only have one place in the Champions League, how can he justify loans given they will get nowhere near winning the SPL for the foreseeable? The SFA/SPFL need to do their job now and end this continued farce.

Not sure what the SFA can do. The club is paying its bills, and is a going concern. For the foreseeable, it will continue.

[MrSmith]

Not sure what the SFA can do. The club is paying its bills, and is a going concern. For the foreseeable, it will continue.

I guess so but the continued loans are surely irresponsible and against Europe's FPP rules?

[CropleyWasGod]

I guess so but the continued loans are surely irresponsible and against Europe's FPP rules?

Irresponsible, sure, but so was Hearts appointing Cathro :greengrin

They're not against the FFP rules. They make that clear in the accounts, and I presume that the auditors are in agreement with that. I am guessing that the "hope" to have a share issue next year would be their get-out.

UEFA would have the last word on that, though.... as they did this season.

[MrSmith]

Irresponsible, sure, but so was Hearts appointing Cathro :greengrin

They're not against the FPP rules. They make that clear in the accounts, and I presume that the auditors are in agreement with that. I am guessing that the "hope" to have a share issue next year would be their get-out.

UEFA would have the last word on that, though.... as they did this season.

Ha ha aye its really complicated stuff huh! I guess I thought that all clubs should be self sufficient or bank rolled by their owners not 3rd, 4th, 5th or even 10th removed parties.

[BigKev]

I wonder how much they'll blitz in the summer of 2020 when Celtic will be going for 10 in a row.

Every chance they could be on reincarnation no.2 by then 😁

[Thecat23]

I wonder how much they'll blitz in the summer of 2020 when Celtic will be going for 10 in a row.

Every chance they could be on reincarnation no.2 by then 😁

Be lucky to make 2020.

[ancient hibee]

Will they be allowed to have a share issue if the court finds for the takeover panel .

[CropleyWasGod]

Will they be allowed to have a share issue if the court finds for the takeover panel .

Don't see why not.

If the Court support the TP, DK et al will have to find a way to buy the remaining shares. Can't see that being a legal barrier to another share issue, although it may concentrate minds on whether they actually want one.

If it goes that way, I reckon DK will be looking for an exit route.

[Tornadoes70]

Will they be allowed to have a share issue if the court finds for the takeover panel .

I'd imagine not until the matter had been fully resolved one way or another. The takeover panel is merely seeking the COS to enforce the gasl to comply with its normal business practice rules. I can't foresee any other outcome than the Court ordering him to comply which would almost certainly put any plans of an ordinary share offer being processed on hold until the matter of compliance had been resolved one way or another.

GGTTH

[Deansy]

I hope they do get McInnes. There is no way he can achieve what their fans expect, so would eventually be hounded out. In the meantime, it causes disruption at Aberdeen.


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Hmmm, good thinking - fingers crossed !

[CropleyWasGod]

I'd imagine not until the matter had been fully resolved one way or another. The takeover panel is merely seeking the COS to enforce the gasl to comply with its normal business practice rules. I can't foresee any other outcome than the Court ordering him to comply which would almost certainly put any plans of an ordinary share offer being processed on hold until the matter of compliance had been resolved one way or another.

GGTTH

The TP's action is against DK, not the company, so I can't see why it would, or could, stop them issuing more shares.

[oldbutdim]

Finally got round to looking at the RFC accounts, and would add my own observations to the others.





8. the directors don't get paid.




I'm not sure if it's relevant or not....................... but I believe Paul Murray and James Blair are directors of a security company which just happens to be the same one that The The Rangers use to employ thugs to eject hapless opposition fans from the Hunnery.

I wonder how much they get from that?
:wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not sure if it's relevant or not....................... but I believe Paul Murray and James Blair are directors of a security company which just happens to be the same one that The The Rangers use to employ thugs to eject hapless opposition fans from the Hunnery.

I wonder how much they get from that?
:wink:

You've just reminded me to look at them. :greengrin Someone mentioned them over the weekend, and I made a mental note to have a squint.

What was their name? Or what thread was it on?

EDIT... Garrion. I'll be back. :greengrin

[Iain G]

You've just reminded me to look at them. :greengrin Someone mentioned them over the weekend, and I made a mental note to have a squint.

What was their name? Or what thread was it on?

EDIT... Garrion. I'll be back. :greengrin

Garrion camping? :greengrin

[oldbutdim]

You've just reminded me to look at them. :greengrin Someone mentioned them over the weekend, and I made a mental note to have a squint.

What was their name? Or what thread was it on?

EDIT... Garrion. I'll be back. :greengrin

Garrion it is.

I think it may be a subsidiary of The The Huns.

[Tornadoes70]

The TP's action is against DK, not the company, so I can't see why it would, or could, stop them issuing more shares.

If enforcement is issued I'd imagine there would be no new share issue until the matter of enforcement had been settled one way or another. Mind you I'm basing my opinion on normal practice logic as it would seem logical to have the matter of enforcement brought to a close before issuing new shares. Of course there's no telling what they might actually do whether or not its logical with the example already being they reached a conclusion ordinary business practice rules don't apply to them. There's no telling what such unscrupulous blase people might actually do, granted.

[CropleyWasGod]

Garrion Security Services Limited....

1. 100% owned by Rangers International, the club's holding company.

2. directors are Dickson, Robertson (both appointed in August this year) and Murray (appointed March 2015).

3. latest accounts are for June 16. It made a loss of £144k, and has net liabilities of £238k.

4. Going Concern covered by the assurance that RIFC will continue to support it for the foreseeable.

5. at June 16, owes RIFC £34k, which will not be pursued for the moment.

6. the directors take no remuneration from the company.

The June 17 accounts will be interesting.:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

The TP's action is against DK, not the company, so I can't see why it would, or could, stop them issuing more shares.

Any decision to dilute existing shares would disadvantage the very smaller shareholders the takeover panels decision was meant to protect. Until DK complies I doubt they will be able to get any share issue through.


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[Tornadoes70]

Any decision to dilute existing shares would disadvantage the very smaller shareholders the takeover panels decision was meant to protect. Until DK complies I doubt they will be able to get any share issue through.


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I'm no expert on company law however what you say sounds perfectly reasonable as it would make sense for any sane board to firstly deal with the consequences of any enforcement issues surrounding the existing shares prior to starting a whole new share offer. Just my opinion of course.

GGTTH

[Ozyhibby]

If King gets Cold shouldered then I would imagine that it’s unlikely they will get any city companies to touch any share issue.


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[Tornadoes70]

If King gets Cold shouldered then I would imagine that it’s unlikely they will get any city companies to touch any share issue.


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There is certain to be consequences if the expectation of enforcement to comply materialises. I think CropleyWasGod's suggestion the gasl would depart the scene may be a likely outcome due to the cold shoulder aspect among other things such as being reluctant to producing the amounts of money involved or he may not have the money to hand.

Not being an expert on company law I'm not sure what would then take place if the gasl fails to comply and departs the scene. It may be a new broom so to speak is sought to clean up the mess the gasl has left behind or even an administration event to cleanse the stink before the city or financial institutions would be able to become involved again. I don't know but its going to be very interesting indeed to see what does occur post enforcement to comply if issued which it should be in my opinion.

GGTTH

[Ozyhibby]

If DK departs the scene then someone is going to have to step up and fund the £7m shortfall they have over the next 18 months.


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[Tornadoes70]

If DK departs the scene then someone is going to have to step up and fund the £7m shortfall they have over the next 18 months.


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Would certainly think so.

Its also creating case law as the Takeover Panel have never before as far as I'm aware sought a court of law to enforce its articles. The gasl and his accomplices attempted to virtually openly be dismissive of normal business practice rules. After being caught out doing so the gasl has now pleaded poverty and/or having no control over finances and is perversely in my opinion seeking the COS to overlook the breach of takeover panel rules as a result of his pleading poverty/no control over financial affairs.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here. If the court does what it should do and orders the gasl to offer all shareholders 20p for each of their shares the fall out could be huge or not but I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here should the COS reach the correct judgment.

GGTTH

[Ronniekirk]

Would certainly think so.

Its also creating case law as the Takeover Panel have never before as far as I'm aware sought a court of law to enforce its articles. The gasl and his accomplices attempted to virtually openly be dismissive of normal business practice rules. After being caught out doing so the gasl has now pleaded poverty and/or having no control over finances and is perversely in my opinion seeking the COS to overlook the breach of takeover panel rules as a result of his pleading poverty/no control over financial affairs.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here. If the court does what it should do and orders the gasl to offer all shareholders 20p for each of their shares the fall out could be huge or not but I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here should the COS reach the correct judgment.

GGTTH

They seem to manage to avert the disasters everyone predicts could be round the corner for them
Am becoming cynical now
The only punishment that continues to irk the fans is not winning a trophy and not beating Celtic
Hope that continues for as long as possible and we beat them again 3. 2 the next time we play them


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[Ozyhibby]

They seem to manage to avert the disasters everyone predicts could be round the corner for them
Am becoming cynical now
The only punishment that continues to irk the fans is not winning a trophy and not beating Celtic
Hope that continues for as long as possible and we beat them again 3. 2 the next time we play them


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They didn’t avert the disaster predicted for them in 2011. [emoji6]
They are spending money they don’t have and have no source of conventional borrowing available to them. Their fans are only now realising that they have no chance of catching Celtic anytime soon. This is likely to see a drop in attendances soon. The other directors now appear to be tapped out as far as more borrowing goes so it’s down to DK to keep financing the losses which could be a lot higher if the fans lose faith and they fail to make the group stages of the Europa league. In short, they can only defy gravity for so long. Eventually the money will run out.
As far as I can see the only thing that can save them is for Celtic to f up on a grand scale.


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[Hibee87]

They didn’t avert the disaster predicted for them in 2011. [emoji6]
They are spending money they don’t have and have no source of conventional borrowing available to them. Their fans are only now realising that they have no chance of catching Celtic anytime soon. This is likely to see a drop in attendances soon. The other directors now appear to be tapped out as far as more borrowing goes so it’s down to DK to keep financing the losses which could be a lot higher if the fans lose faith and they fail to make the group stages of the Europa league. In short, they can only defy gravity for so long. Eventually the money will run out.
As far as I can see the only thing that can save them is for Celtic to f up on a grand scale.


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this is the crux of the matter for them. Its like Hearts self importance on where they 'Should be' but x1000. As others have said their fans will only accept playing second fiddle to Celtic for so long, and if they are not even making 2nd place (A real possibility) they really will be in trouble. Unless their fans accept the same as the rest of us in the league, its only going to end in one spectacularly messy way.

[Iain G]

this is the crux of the matter for them. Its like Hearts self importance on where they 'Should be' but x1000. As others have said their fans will only accept playing second fiddle to Celtic for so long, and if they are not even making 2nd place (A real possibility) they really will be in trouble. Unless their fans accept the same as the rest of us in the league, its only going to end in one spectacularly messy way.

At the moment they aren't even second fiddle, more like third viola!

They will have to put up with being so far behind Celtic for a long time and put up with being on par with a number of other "also rans" and second place is not a guarantee for them.

Lack of income from Europe and the only prospect of finishing 2nd place at best will set them up nicely for their next fall and I can't wait for that to come :greengrin

[Tornadoes70]

They seem to manage to avert the disasters everyone predicts could be round the corner for them
Am becoming cynical now
The only punishment that continues to irk the fans is not winning a trophy and not beating Celtic
Hope that continues for as long as possible and we beat them again 3. 2 the next time we play them


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To be fair on myself Ronnie I'm saying I don't know how it will play out if the COS orders the gasl to offer the 20p for each and every share. It's unprecedented for the Takeover Panel to pursue someone through the courts to seek enforcement of their rules. If the COS does indeed insist the gasl should abide by the Takeover Panels verdict then its going to be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

GGTTH

[Ronniekirk]

To be fair on myself Ronnie I'm saying I don't know how it will play out if the COS orders the gasl to offer the 20p for each and every share. It's unprecedented for the Takeover Panel to pursue someone through the courts to seek enforcement of their rules. If the COS does indeed insist the gasl should abide by the Takeover Panels verdict then its going to be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

GGTTH

I wasn't really digging anyone up Just venting my frustration that despite all their protestations , since the original penalty was put in place not a lot else has happened
Until King took over and tried to give them an arrogant swagger to fire up the mutants ,they had accepted it would probably take five years back in the top league to get back to competing with Celtic
Brendan Rodgers appointment has certainly shown how big the gap now is
Thats why their next managerial appointment has to be bold and one for now and the future




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[Tornadoes70]

I wasn't really digging anyone up Just venting my frustration that despite all their protestations , since the original penalty was put in place not a lot else has happened
Until King took over and tried to give them an arrogant swagger to fire up the mutants ,they had accepted it would probably take five years back in the top league to get back to competing with Celtic
Brendan Rodgers appointment has certainly shown how big the gap now is
Thats why their next managerial appointment has to be bold and one for now and the future




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Fair points mate. The COS decision could hurt King and The Rangers but we won't know until the COS judgement is in and will have to wait and see whether King will or won't pony up so to speak and the consequences that would bring if the judgement is the correct one that enforces the Panels verdict. I hope King is not long for Scottish Football, he's an embarrassing stain on it in my opinion

[Hibernia&Alba]

Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they? :lolrangers:

[southsider]

Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they? :lolrangers:
The Wally wi the Brolly please, pretty please wi sugar on top.

[Ozyhibby]

Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they? :lolrangers:

They’re skint and it’s not going to get better anytime soon. [emoji23]


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[TheReg!]

Now that NI are looking likely to go out of the WC playoffs, do we reckon Ze Huns will go after Michael O’Neil?

[Ozyhibby]

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Michael Ball asking questions about why he was defrauded out of his fee when he left old Rangers.


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[HoboHarry]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/ba783c066672ae1bf2f0bc36afdee72d.jpg

Michael Ball asking questions about why he was defrauded out of his fee when he left old Rangers.


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I had thought that in the event of a club going to the wall, that all football debts would be covered by the SFA?

[jacomo]

Any news on the Hun manager quest? Nothing about McInnes? They can't afford his release clause, can they? :lolrangers:


They are following their usual modus operandi - tap up their target, leak stories to the media, try to make their current job untenable. Then make a move with a cheap offer.