Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[HoboHarry]

But Brentford are in the premier and were restricted to 15% (or was it 25%) of Hibs. Does that mean the black knights can have a higher proportion?
Does the SFA know Brentford have a share of Hibs? :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

New York Times yesterday https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6158247/2025/02/26/rangers-49ers-leeds-takeover-explained/

you can read more using this site

https://12ft.io/

Thanks for that.

This bit could be the key:-

The investors will be buying through a separate vehicle that will encase both Cavenagh and 49ers, but the former will be the larger party within the bloc.

So, if Cavenagh has (say) 30% and the 49ers 21%, that would probably be acceptable to the SFA.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Thanks for that.

This bit could be the key:-

The investors will be buying through a separate vehicle that will encase both Cavenagh and 49ers, but the former will be the larger party within the bloc.

So, if Cavenagh has (say) 30% and the 49ers 21%, that would probably be acceptable to the SFA.

i've not actually read that full article yet crops :embarrass

[JeMeSouviens]

Seems to be based on this longish article from the Athletic:


Explained: The 49ers’ proposed takeover of Rangers – and the impact on Leeds
The outline of a deal for Scottish football club Rangers to be taken over by a U.S. investor group has been agreed with a period of due diligence to take place before it is completed.

Talks have been ongoing for over three months with the group, spearheaded by healthcare mogul Andrew Cavenagh and 49ers Enterprises president Paraag Marathe.

After negotiations with the current bloc of major shareholders, the parties have agreed on a set of variable routes to acquiring the 51 per cent majority they seek. It is expected to be processed in the next few months.

Rangers would be the second British club 49ers Enterprises has bought a stake in. It purchased an initial 10 per cent stake in English Championship side Leeds United in 2018, gaining boardroom influence, before completing a takeover worth £170million ($213m) in July 2023.

The deal would add to the growing contingent of American investors in Scottish football. Dundee, Dundee United, Hibernian and St Johnstone have been bought in the past decade. Atlanta United president Darren Eales also bought a minority stake in Aberdeen and sits on their board. Las Vegas-based businessmen James Bord and Evan Sofer bought Scottish Championship club Dunfermline Athletic last month, too.

49ers Enterprises has been scouring the globe for investment opportunities in sport and, despite the Scottish Premiership being left behind by its English neighbour since the Premier League’s first season in 1992, Rangers still carry weight as a historic European club.

Scotland’s smaller domestic market means purchasing Rangers will be significantly cheaper than clubs of a similar scale in other countries. In return, 49ers Enterprises gets one-half of the Old Firm derby with Glasgow rivals Celtic and Ibrox, a 50,000-seater stadium. Commercially, the prospective owner can also tap into a large expatriate community in North America, with the U.S. and Canada holding more than 30 supporter clubs among at least 600 worldwide.


Marathe, the president of 49ers Enterprises (Lachlan Cunningham/Getty Images)
The established financial advantage Rangers and Celtic enjoy over every other team in Scotland means that European qualification is almost guaranteed, with the title winners gaining access to the Champions League.

After suffering a financial collapse in 2012 and climbing back up from the bottom division of Scottish League football, they are still playing second fiddle to Celtic, who are on course to win a 13th league title in 14 years, drawing level with Rangers’ record of 55.

Here, The Athletic explains the status of the Rangers takeover, the potential complications with Leeds and what they would be getting by investing in Rangers.

What is the structure of the takeover?

According to sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect their positions, the investment group intends to command a controlling stake in the club, which means owning at least 51 per cent of the shares.

Enough shares have been identified to gain that majority and claim the seats on the board necessary to steer the footballing decisions.

The investors will be buying through a separate vehicle that will encase both Cavenagh and 49ers, but the former will be the larger party within the bloc.

That could be pivotal given the Scottish Football Association’s (SFA) barrier to entry for investors who already have control of another club — in this case, Leeds. Article 13 states that, unless given prior written consent, no person can be a shareholder in a Scottish club while holding shares in another club.

There is precedent for the rules being relaxed, however. In February last year, the SFA permitted Bournemouth owner Bill Foley to buy a £6million stake in Hibernian, provided his shareholding did not exceed 29.9 per cent. The argument was that the investment by Foley, who also owns ice hockey’s Vegas Golden Knights, was positive for the Scottish game. It had to be offset against the potential for dual ownership to affect the integrity of the competition if the owners started exchanging players between their clubs to gain an advantage.

Brighton & Hove Albion owner Tony Bloom is still in talks about investing up to £10million for a minority stake in Hearts. Hearts signed a deal with Jamestown Analytics — an off-shoot of Starlizard, the data firm owned by Bloom — which has helped bring success to Brighton, Belgian club Union Saint-Gilloise and Como, who play in Italy’s Serie A.

There was also a belief that if the investors were to pass the 30 per cent threshold at Rangers, they would have to make a compulsory offer to all other shareholders at the same share price, in line with UK Takeover Panel rules.

The code previously applied to public companies incorporated in the UK, Channel Islands, or Isle of Man, irrespective of whether their securities were traded. But this month, the scope narrowed to only companies with securities admitted to trading on a UK-regulated market, such as the London Stock Exchange — which means it will not apply to Rangers.

Jordan Campbell

Who is selling?

Rangers have a wide shareholder base comprised of seven individuals who own between six and 13 per cent, which means any potential investors have to strike deals with multiple individuals.

Former chairman Dave King, the largest shareholder at 12.6 per cent, has been looking to sell for some time. Another former chairman, John Bennett, who owns just over seven per cent, is happy to sell too. So, too, is former director Barry Scott who owns around 1.5 per cent.

Investor fatigue is not widespread but the deal hinged on the preparedness of the other major shareholders — Douglas Park (11.54 per cent), George Taylor (10.22 per cent), Stuart Gibson (9.53 per cent), Julian Wolhardt (6.69 per cent) and John Halsted (6 per cent) — to each sell a significant part of their shareholding.

They have agreed to do so because they know that a deal is dependent on the incoming investors reaching 51 per cent, and they view the partnership with Cavenagh and 49ers as being based on a shared vision for the club.

To make the numbers add up has required intense negotiations. They have been led by Taylor, who owns 10 per cent and is Morgan Stanley’s lead banker in Asia, and Halsted, who owns six per cent and was a founder partner of private equity company Pamplona Capital Partners.

Letham, who owns around five per cent and has invested millions of his own money into the club, has also been influential in making the numbers work when it comes to the price, board structure and planned investment post-takeover.

Jordan Campbell

Who are the investors?

Philadelphia-based Cavenagh is executive chairman of ParetoHealth, a health insurance company. It manages over $8billion in assets and covers more than one million lives across thousands of businesses.

49ers Enterprises is the more glamorous name and was estimated to be worth $5.97billion by Forbes in 2023. It has big-name backers from the world of sport and entertainment. The valuation pegged them as the 11th-wealthiest multi-sport owner group.


Jed York, the CEO of the San Francisco 49ers (Steph Chambers/Getty Images)
Some of the famous faces to have invested in 49ers Enterprises include actor Will Ferrell, golfers Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas, nine-time NBA All-Star Russell Westbrook, Stanley Cup winner Gabriel Landeskog and the most decorated Olympian of all time, Michael Phelps.

The investment company is looking to unload 10 per cent of its stake in its NFL franchise, the San Francisco 49ers, but investment in Rangers is not dependent on that sale. 49ers Enterprises has backers willing to put more money in who are excited by the prospect of being involved in British football.

Jordan Campbell

[JeMeSouviens]

part 2


What would they be inheriting?

A club and fanbase in need of fresh investment and direction.

Rangers are 16 points behind Celtic with only the Europa League — Europe’s secondary club competition — left to play for this season. With regular Champions League revenue boosting Celtic’s coffers, they could open up an insurmountable financial advantage.

It has felt like Rangers have been in constant flux for three years and have been on a downward trajectory since reaching the Europa League final in May 2022. Fresh perspective and investment are needed.

The 49ers will inherit a club free of litigation and legacy issues for the first time in a decade. It is a far cleaner club. Heavy investment has improved the infrastructure of the stadium and training ground. A multi-purpose events space, which houses a club museum, has also been built.

There is plenty of work to do on the sporting side, however, after Rangers sacked manager Philippe Clement, a decision made during a board call on Sunday afternoon that lasted several hours. They debated the need to remove Clement against the weighty compensation package that would be triggered. The 49ers were made aware and gave their blessing.

Rangers have appointed former captain Barry Ferguson as interim manager until the end of the season — but no long-term appointments will be made until the takeover is complete.

Jordan Campbell

Are there any wide issues with owning both Rangers and Leeds?

Potentially, but it involves the UEFA rule book and only becomes relevant if Rangers and Leeds qualify for the same European competition.

UEFA’s club financial control body says a club has decisive influence over another club if they hold at least 30 per cent of both clubs, or if they have at least 10 per cent and are the club’s largest shareholder.

Leeds are in the Championship, England’s second tier, but they are on track for automatic promotion and their owners have spoken about European ambitions. In Marcelo Bielsa’s first season in the Premier League, Leeds finished ninth.

In theory, if Leeds did make it into Europe, the 49ers would either have to relinquish their stake in one of the clubs or only team one would be able to compete, decided by whichever is in the most prestigious competition or, failing that, whoever finished higher in their league or whichever member association has the highest ranking.

UEFA has made exceptions in this regard, with Manchester City and Girona (owned by the City Football Group, CFG) being allowed to compete in the Champions League this year and Manchester United and Nice (partly owned by INEOS) also allowed to play in the Europa League on the basis that CFG and INEOS placed their shares in Girona and Nice into a blind trust.

Multi-club ownership models are being adopted across the world. Rangers being second in the food chain, almost as a feeder club to Leeds, would not sit well with fans — but the nature of the arrangement would not be so hierarchal. Red Bull, one of the largest multi-club ownership groups in football — it owns RB Leipzig, Red Bull Salzburg, the New York Red Bulls and three others outright — are already minority investors in Leeds. They also own just over 10 per cent of Paris FC.

Jordan Campbell

What about in EFL regulations?

While the Scottish Football Association’s longstanding opposition to multi-club ownership is the biggest legal hurdle for Rangers’ potential new custodians to clear, another regulatory headache has caused some concerns, although perhaps for not much longer.

The EFL rightly recognises that the Scottish leagues are separate competitions in regard to player transfers but treats them as somehow connected when it comes to “dual interests”. These are the rules that prevent club owners from controlling more than one club in the same competition. For good reason, right?

But, according to rule 105.3.7 of the EFL Handbook, that prohibition extends to any club “operated under the auspices of the Scottish Professional Football League, or Irish Football League”.

Now, there are clearly two ways out of this predicament for Leeds United. The first is probably the favoured option as it involves moving to the Premier League’s jurisdiction this summer, as England’s top flight does not stop its owners from investing in Scottish football.

But, if for some reason plan A unravels, this episode has highlighted just how out-of-step the EFL’s stance is in this area. It is almost certain that the rule, which is on the top of page 379 of the handbook for those who are interested, will be scrapped at the league’s AGM in June.

Matt Slater

And how about Leeds? Are the 49ers planning to sell?

49ers Enterprises and Leeds have declined to comment on the developments in Glasgow. Sources at Levi’s Stadium and Elland Road, who remained anonymous to protect relationships, have not indicated any concerns about the ownership setup radically changing in Leeds.

Chairman Marathe’s regular presence at Leeds games this season, despite living in California, was flagged by those sources as a show of his continued commitment to the club. The investment arm of the NFL franchise first got involved with Leeds in 2018. It waited five years for full control and now, nearly two years on, is on the cusp of the Premier League dream it came here for.

There is an army of investors behind Marathe who were sold the dream of being involved with the most-watched football league in the world. Years of grinding have led them all to this point, with the end of the Championship purgatory in sight. Throwing that away for the Old Firm seems unlikely.


Leeds are on the cusp of promotion from the Championship (George Wood/Getty Images)
In November, there was confirmation of a job change for Gretar Steinsson. United’s former technical director was shifted into a similar — but broader — role with 49ers Enterprises. Leeds and the 49ers were not shy in making it clear Steinsson would explore multi-club opportunities for the American group.

Rangers, it appears, would be the start of that multi-club strategy, joining Leeds in the stable instead of replacing them.

Beren Cross

How has 49ers Enterprises been perceived as Leeds?

It took full control less than two years ago but the signs have been promising. Marathe was on the board during Andrea Radrizzani’s tenure and has to shoulder his share of the blame for some of the poor decisions made in the top flight.

However, over these two seasons as chairman, he has been a refreshing change from his Italian predecessor. Marathe is a calm operator, who does not speak publicly too frequently. Radrizzani was guilty of speaking too often.

Sources, who remained anonymous to protect relationships, who have worked closely with Marathe say he can be ruthless. He is not afraid to make changes if he feels it is for the betterment of Leeds. A raft of executives have been replaced in senior positions at Elland Road since he came to power.

Player sales, many enforced by relegation release clauses, have needed to be swallowed, but Leeds are carrying the second-biggest wage bill in Championship history — last season’s was considered the biggest. Money has been spent and they are committing to getting Leeds promoted.

It feels like real judgements can be made if and when United return to the top flight. Elland Road is expected to be redeveloped and, once back in the Premier League, supporters hope to see the full might of this investment vehicle in the transfer market.

Beren Cross

[Keith_M]

Does the SFA know Brentford have a share of Hibs? :greengrin


Do Brentford know they have a share of Hibs?

[JimBHibees]

Do Brentford know they have a share of Hibs?

Do Hibs know Brentford have a share of Hibs?

[Keith_M]

Do Hibs know Brentford have a share of Hibs?


It's a mystery right enough!

[HoboHarry]

Must be the shortest honeymoon in history lol, two games in and they turning on him already. Don't get me wrong, I wish nothing but misery and bankruptcy on the lot of them but two games? :faf:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c4g9272wvjeo

[gbhibby]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11788/13320562/rangers-takeover-deal-with-us-investors-andrew-cavenagh-and-san-francisco-49ers-paraag-marathe-agreed-in-principle

So that will be two Catholic teams in Glasgow then[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[Hibernia&Alba]

The financial implications of the takeover are what interest me. Will it leave Rangers completely debt free? How much will they have to spend in the transfer market? A very strong Rangers is the last thing Scottish football needs. Their plight since 2012 has been significantly pleasing.

[MKHIBEE]

New York Times yesterday https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6158247/2025/02/26/rangers-49ers-leeds-takeover-explained/

you can read more using this site

https://12ft.io/

Hopefully the financing model will be one similar to that used by the Glazers at Man Utd.

[gbhibby]

They will need to change the lyrics to their songs now

The Vestments my father wore.
Hullo Hullo we are the non bigoted boys
Up to our knees in Holy Water.

[HoboHarry]

The financial implications of the takeover are what interest me. Will it leave Rangers completely debt free? How much will they have to spend in the transfer market? A very strong Rangers is the last thing Scottish football needs. Their plight since 2012 has been significantly pleasing.
I've said it before but I'll believe it when it happens, until then this potential deal just reeks of s***e from top to bottom in my opinion. Why on earth would they buy a debt riddled Scottish club with a crumbling stadium when they could invest in an English club with big ambitions? Happy to hold my hand up if I'm wrong but if Dave King is leading this sale attempt, it's because he wants his money back not because it's good for Rangers, of that I'm certain.

[Callum_62]

Must be the shortest honeymoon in history lol, two games in and they turning on him already. Don't get me wrong, I wish nothing but misery and bankruptcy on the lot of them but two games? :faf:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c4g9272wvjeoPaul: The end of the season can't come quick enough to clear out this underperforming Rangers team and start afresh. Give the managerial position to Barry Ferguson full-time, then we will see a team of proven fighters, diehards and winners, with the manager setting the standards from his own success

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[HoboHarry]

Paul: The end of the season can't come quick enough to clear out this underperforming Rangers team and start afresh. Give the managerial position to Barry Ferguson full-time, then we will see a team of proven fighters, diehards and winners, with the manager setting the standards from his own success

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They are going to have a $50squillion transfer kitty don't you know? :faf:

[Bostonhibby]

Paul: The end of the season can't come quick enough to clear out this underperforming Rangers team and start afresh. Give the managerial position to Barry Ferguson full-time, then we will see a team of proven fighters, diehards and winners, with the manager setting the standards from his own success

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Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkNeeds to be given the chance to repeat his time at Alloa on a bigger platform. Made an encouraging start.

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[LunasBoots]

The financial implications of the takeover are what interest me. Will it leave Rangers completely debt free? How much will they have to spend in the transfer market? A very strong Rangers is the last thing Scottish football needs. Their plight since 2012 has been significantly pleasing.

Can only spend what theyve earned under UEFA rules, think quite a few Rangers fans have failed to grasp that reality

[HoboHarry]

Can only spend what theyve earned under UEFA rules, think quite a few Rangers fans have failes to grasp that reality
I'm pretty sure they think that any new potential owner is just going to hand over wads of cash as donations. Deluded indeed.

[Gmack7]

Jose must be bricking it going up against wee baz this week

[HoboHarry]

Jose must be bricking it going up against wee baz this week
He ought to be worried, Agent Orange and the Mysterhuns have been working on their defensive tactics all week.....

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[Fifeshirehibs]

Mccann was comedy gold on Sportscene, with his self. confusing analysis. He was at it again on Saturday telling wee Baz what was wrong as he engineered a two goal deficit. That's two games now they've picked the wrong team and tactics , gone two down and had to multiple sub at HT. The Four Tops were a fine group but The Four Bottoms @ Attila Park , wow .

[HoboHarry]

Another issue of share confetti at Ibrox, 26.7 million shares. Wonder what debt had to be paid this time?

[Ozyhibby]

I've said it before but I'll believe it when it happens, until then this potential deal just reeks of s***e from top to bottom in my opinion. Why on earth would they buy a debt riddled Scottish club with a crumbling stadium when they could invest in an English club with big ambitions? Happy to hold my hand up if I'm wrong but if Dave King is leading this sale attempt, it's because he wants his money back not because it's good for Rangers, of that I'm certain.

Football is full of investors who have spent money that makes no business sense at all. It’s always been this way.


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[Ozyhibby]

Another issue of share confetti at Ibrox, 26.7 million shares. Wonder what debt had to be paid this time?

Sounds like they are living day to day.


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[HoboHarry]

Sounds like they are living day to day.


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I'm wondering if the first tranch of the contract pay off to Clement, Rae and the other one is due.

[CropleyWasGod]

Another issue of share confetti at Ibrox, 26.7 million shares. Wonder what debt had to be paid this time?


Sounds like they are living day to day.


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I'm wondering if the first tranch of the contract pay off to Clement, Rae and the other one is due.

It could be that (it's just over £1m), but it could also be some of the loans being converted to shares, in preparation for the coming 69ers.

[Springbank]

Is this the begging bowl, the Super Begging Bowl or the Begging SuperBowl?

I'm confused

[HoboHarry]

It could be that (it's just over £1m), but it could also be some of the loans being converted to shares, in preparation for the coming 69ers.

I read somewhere 20p per share so it a lot more than that no?

[Kato]

I read somewhere 20p per share so it a lot more than that no?A fraction under 17p, 16.90p.

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[CropleyWasGod]

I read somewhere 20p per share so it a lot more than that no?

I misread it :rolleyes:

It's £5.3m.

Last month's was £3.6m

Still think it's likely to be a debt-swap, as part of the ongoing revamp. (I think I read that, as part of the buy-in, the new guys would be paying off the existing directors' loans. So they will probably buy these "new" shares from those directors.)

Wouldn't it be funny, though, if the whole deal fell apart and these guys were left with the shares instead of the loans? :greengrin

[Since90+2]

I misread it :rolleyes:

It's £5.3m.

Last month's was £3.6m

Still think it's likely to be a debt-swap, as part of the ongoing revamp. (I think I read that, as part of the buy-in, the new guys would be paying off the existing directors' loans. So they will probably buy these "new" shares from those directors.)

Wouldn't it be funny, though, if the whole deal fell apart and these guys were left with the shares instead of the loans? :greengrin

They must be pretty confident the deal must be doing through if that's the case?

[CropleyWasGod]

They must be pretty confident the deal must be doing through if that's the case?

I reckon it's pretty far down the line.

But then, we've been here before. Remember the Blue Knights? :greengrin

[WeAreHibs]

I reckon it's pretty far down the line.

But then, we've been here before. Remember the Blue Knights? :greengrin

They'll be the Black n Blue Knights if it falls through

[CropleyWasGod]

Also just announced on the Companies House website.

The club have lodged notice of a security (dated January) to support a "facility" with Macquarie Bank. There's no mention of the amounts, but it looks as if the security is on instalments still due for players already sold.

[HoboHarry]

Also just announced on the Companies House website.

The club have lodged notice of a security (dated January) to support a "facility" with Macquarie Bank. There's no mention of the amounts, but it looks as if the security is on instalments still due for players already sold.

I'm not sure what that means, can you explain it in layman terms for this dafties benefit? :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not sure what that means, can you explain it in layman terms for this dafties benefit? :greengrin

It's a bit unclear (that's what lawyers do :wink:), but I think RFC are due money from clubs for player transfers. As is common, those fees are paid in instalments.

It looks as if they have asked this bank to lend them the whole amount of the outstanding fees, rather than wait on the instalments. I'm sure how common that is, but they're probably paying through the (blue) nose for it.

Who did they sell in January, and to whom, and for how much?

[gbhibby]

It's a bit unclear (that's what lawyers do :wink:), but I think RFC are due money from clubs for player transfers. As is common, those fees are paid in instalments.

It looks as if they have asked this bank to lend them the whole amount of the outstanding fees, rather than wait on the instalments. I'm sure how common that is, but they're probably paying through the (blue) nose for it.

Who did they sell in January, and to whom, and for how much?
Next it will be borrowing against expected income from next year's season tickets sales.

[CropleyWasGod]

Next it will be borrowing against expected income from next year's season tickets sales.

Is that a thing?




:wink:

[HoboHarry]

It's a bit unclear (that's what lawyers do :wink:), but I think RFC are due money from clubs for player transfers. As is common, those fees are paid in instalments.

It looks as if they have asked this bank to lend them the whole amount of the outstanding fees, rather than wait on the instalments. I'm sure how common that is, but they're probably paying through the (blue) nose for it.

Who did they sell in January, and to whom, and for how much?

Zak Lovelace and 4 others out on loan. I'm sticking with the first installments of paying off Clement and his backroom team :)

[CropleyWasGod]

Zak Lovelace and 4 others out on loan. I'm sticking with the first installments of paying off Clement and his backroom team.

There are invoices mentioned. It looks as if RFC issue the invoices, and the cash is sent to the bank.

The agreement mentions invoices to FCT (FC Twente?). Lammers went there in the summer. Also mentions PC.... not sure who that might be.

[HoboHarry]

There are invoices mentioned. It looks as if RFC issue the invoices, and the cash is sent to the bank.

The agreement mentions invoices to FCT (FC Twente?). Lammers went there in the summer. Also mentions PC.... not sure who that might be.
I'm not sure if you're being serious about PC or not, but either way they have something sizeable to pay imminently unless my thinking is upside down

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not sure if you're being serious about PC or not, but either way they have something sizeable to pay imminently unless my thinking is upside down

I am. (and just realised the ambiguity of those letters :greengrin)

As I read it, RFC are to issue invoices to "PC" , and the payment for those invoices is to go to the bank.

So, if FCT is FC Twente (for Lammers), who are PC?

If I'm right about that process, it could be that you're also right in their needing money now-ish to pay the other PC.

[HoboHarry]

I am. (and just realised the ambiguity of those letters :greengrin)

As I read it, RFC are to issue invoices to "PC" , and the payment for those invoices is to go to the bank.

So, if FCT is FC Twente (for Lammers), who are PC?

If I'm right about that process, it could be that you're also right in their needing money now-ish to pay the other PC.

Not sure who PC would be if it refers to a football club, could it be an outside agency of some other sort that owes them money?

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure who PC would be if it refers to a football club, could it be an outside agency of some other sort that owes them money?

Parma Calcio?. Colak in 2023.

[007]

I am. (and just realised the ambiguity of those letters :greengrin)

As I read it, RFC are to issue invoices to "PC" , and the payment for those invoices is to go to the bank.

So, if FCT is FC Twente (for Lammers), who are PC?

If I'm right about that process, it could be that you're also right in their needing money now-ish to pay the other PC.

Philippe Clement.

[CropleyWasGod]

Philippe Clement.

RFC won't be invoicing him. If anything, it's the other way round.

[HoboHarry]

Parma Calcio?. Colak in 2023.

Good spot, that's perfectly possible.

[CropleyWasGod]

Good spot, that's perfectly possible.

It's a guess, and I had help :greengrin

[007]

RFC won't be invoicing him. If anything, it's the other way round.

Ah, apologies, I was just going off you last sentence but I see now it's another PC you're meaning.

[HoboHarry]

I am. (and just realised the ambiguity of those letters :greengrin)

As I read it, RFC are to issue invoices to "PC" , and the payment for those invoices is to go to the bank.

So, if FCT is FC Twente (for Lammers), who are PC?

If I'm right about that process, it could be that you're also right in their needing money now-ish to pay the other PC.
Not to mention Alex Rae and the other one who got canned. This will just be the first payment too, there'll be more to come methinks.

[CropleyWasGod]

Ah, apologies, I was just going off you last sentence but I see now it's another PC you're meaning.

Too many PC's for the most un-PC of clubs :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

I misread it :rolleyes:

It's £5.3m.

Last month's was £3.6m

Still think it's likely to be a debt-swap, as part of the ongoing revamp. (I think I read that, as part of the buy-in, the new guys would be paying off the existing directors' loans. So they will probably buy these "new" shares from those directors.)

Wouldn't it be funny, though, if the whole deal fell apart and these guys were left with the shares instead of the loans? :greengrin
This part has me a little baffled - if the nominal share price is 0.01 (as reported elsewhere) but the directors are voluntarily paying 0.2p per share of their own free will, why would potential new partners be mug enough to pay the same over valued cost just so the existing lot got their money back?

[Hibs4185]

To sum up the last few posts, it’s either boom (49ers deal) or bust (sevco2025)?

Please please please let the 49ers story be a red herring to appease the masses

Just to add, I’m being biased, but any investor buying wil see all these loans and share issues during any due diligence and even a diehard blue nose can see a very distressed asset.

No way the 49ers are paying anywhere near what the whordes want if the story is true

[HoboHarry]

To sum up the last few posts, it’s either boom (49ers deal) or bust (sevco2025)?

Please please please let the 49ers story be a red herring to appease the masses

Just to add, I’m being biased, but any investor buying wil see all these loans and share issues during any due diligence and even a diehard blue nose can see a very distressed asset.

No way the 49ers are paying anywhere near what the whordes want if the story is true
I said earlier in the thread that this whole deal smells of s***e to me and I stand by that. That's the total number of existing Rangers shares at 522,223,088. At .2p per share that values Rangers at more than 106M which is clearly nonsense though I know the potential new owners wouldn't be likely to buy all of the shares, just enough to have a controlling interest. The new owners would also have to finance rebuilding the team as well as bringing Ibrox back to what it should be structurally. I doubt I'll lose any sleep if I'm wildly wrong but I'll be a little surprised if the deal goes through.

[Keith_M]

To sum up the last few posts, it’s either boom (49ers deal) or bust (sevco2025)?

Please please please let the 49ers story be a red herring to appease the masses

Just to add, I’m being biased, but any investor buying wil see all these loans and share issues during any due diligence and even a diehard blue nose can see a very distressed asset.

No way the 49ers are paying anywhere near what the whordes want if the story is true



The SMSM have been guilty of fabricating 'good news stories' in the past, but the owner of 49ers has been at (at least) one of their games, so there might actually be something to this one

[JeMeSouviens]

The SMSM have been guilty of fabricating 'good news stories' in the past, but the owner of 49ers has been at (at least) one of their games, so there might actually be something to this one

There might be. American owners tend not to be in the game for the sort of sentimental reasons that's seen Douglas Park and chums plough tens of millions in to keep the New Huns afloat though. So even if it comes off I'm not convinced there'll be anything like the "investment" the Huns (with and without laptops) are expecting.

[Keith_M]

There might be. American owners tend not to be in the game for the sort of sentimental reasons that's seen Douglas Park and chums plough tens of millions in to keep the New Huns afloat though. So even if it comes off I'm not convinced there'll be anything like the "investment" the Huns (with and without laptops) are expecting.


I wonder if there'll be a Man Utd style takeover, with Rangers being loaded with even more debt.

[Blaster]

There might be. American owners tend not to be in the game for the sort of sentimental reasons that's seen Douglas Park and chums plough tens of millions in to keep the New Huns afloat though. So even if it comes off I'm not convinced there'll be anything like the "investment" the Huns (with and without laptops) are expecting.

According to Souness, Leeds will become Rangers feeder club 😂

[HoboHarry]

According to Souness, Leeds will become Rangers feeder club 😂
Souness shouldn't be allowed out on his own if he believes that. FFS.

[Carheenlea]

Club Statement

“EVERYONE associated with Rangers Football Club will undoubtedly have enjoyed the last fortnight, with the men’s first-team producing some memorable results at home and abroad.

Contributing enormously to these occasions has been the backing of the Rangers supporters, with the world once again taking note of the phenomenal passion the club’s fans bring to these big occasions.
It is, however, deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority.
Firstly, the club has been charged by UEFA after a handful of supporters displayed what UEFA describe as a “racist and/or discriminatory banner” at last Thursday’s Ibrox meeting with Fenerbahce.
Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support. For the club to be charged with such a matter in 2025 is shameful, and the disdain for those responsible will be shared by the overwhelming majority of our supporters.
This charge will bring consequences for the club, while the club is also working to identify those responsible and will ensure they also face consequences.
For the avoidance of doubt, if you do not believe in 2025 that absolutely everyone is welcome to follow Rangers whether at Ibrox or away, then Rangers is not the club for you, and you should disassociate yourself with the club immediately.
Further, the club has also been charged by UEFA for the throwing of objects at the home match with Fenerbahce.
This is becoming a regular occurrence, not just at Rangers matches, but across stadia in Scotland. Indeed, our players and staff were targeted with missiles at Parkhead on Sunday.
Focusing on Ibrox, however, there was a widely-reported incident in the January Old Firm game, whilst at the recent game with Motherwell, one of our own supporters was hit and injured by an object thrown towards the away end. And now, the club faces a sanction for the actions of an individual last Thursday night.
This senseless and criminal behaviour has no place in sport, nor in society. Again, if you think such behaviour is acceptable, you are not welcome at Rangers matches.
The club will also face a UEFA sanction for the blocking of passageways at the Fenerbahce match. Supporters are urged to follow the advice of stewards and police at all matches, and to take their own seat to avoid this issue occurring again.
Lastly, and despite clear warnings to the contrary, pyrotechnics were used by two individuals following Sunday’s Old Firm victory at Parkhead.
This runs the risk of an additional 800 of our supporters being unable to attend a match in the latter stages of the Premier Sports Cup at Hampden, in addition to the 500 that will already miss out as a result of the use of pyrotechnics.
All of the above behaviours will have consequences for the club, and either directly or indirectly, the club’s supporters.
Rangers as a club will stand alongside our supporters, and advocate for their rights and their ability to support the team in the most passionate ways possible within the confines of the law and the appropriate regulations.
However, the club also calls on all reasonable supporters to wholeheartedly reject any behaviour which brings the name of Rangers into disrepute, and to assist the club by challenging any issues which will lead to the club being punished further by the relevant authorities.”

[JimBHibees]

Club Statement

“EVERYONE associated with Rangers Football Club will undoubtedly have enjoyed the last fortnight, with the men’s first-team producing some memorable results at home and abroad.

Contributing enormously to these occasions has been the backing of the Rangers supporters, with the world once again taking note of the phenomenal passion the club’s fans bring to these big occasions.
It is, however, deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority.
Firstly, the club has been charged by UEFA after a handful of supporters displayed what UEFA describe as a “racist and/or discriminatory banner” at last Thursday’s Ibrox meeting with Fenerbahce.
Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support. For the club to be charged with such a matter in 2025 is shameful, and the disdain for those responsible will be shared by the overwhelming majority of our supporters.
This charge will bring consequences for the club, while the club is also working to identify those responsible and will ensure they also face consequences.
For the avoidance of doubt, if you do not believe in 2025 that absolutely everyone is welcome to follow Rangers whether at Ibrox or away, then Rangers is not the club for you, and you should disassociate yourself with the club immediately.
Further, the club has also been charged by UEFA for the throwing of objects at the home match with Fenerbahce.
This is becoming a regular occurrence, not just at Rangers matches, but across stadia in Scotland. Indeed, our players and staff were targeted with missiles at Parkhead on Sunday.
Focusing on Ibrox, however, there was a widely-reported incident in the January Old Firm game, whilst at the recent game with Motherwell, one of our own supporters was hit and injured by an object thrown towards the away end. And now, the club faces a sanction for the actions of an individual last Thursday night.
This senseless and criminal behaviour has no place in sport, nor in society. Again, if you think such behaviour is acceptable, you are not welcome at Rangers matches.
The club will also face a UEFA sanction for the blocking of passageways at the Fenerbahce match. Supporters are urged to follow the advice of stewards and police at all matches, and to take their own seat to avoid this issue occurring again.
Lastly, and despite clear warnings to the contrary, pyrotechnics were used by two individuals following Sunday’s Old Firm victory at Parkhead.
This runs the risk of an additional 800 of our supporters being unable to attend a match in the latter stages of the Premier Sports Cup at Hampden, in addition to the 500 that will already miss out as a result of the use of pyrotechnics.
All of the above behaviours will have consequences for the club, and either directly or indirectly, the club’s supporters.
Rangers as a club will stand alongside our supporters, and advocate for their rights and their ability to support the team in the most passionate ways possible within the confines of the law and the appropriate regulations.
However, the club also calls on all reasonable supporters to wholeheartedly reject any behaviour which brings the name of Rangers into disrepute, and to assist the club by challenging any issues which will lead to the club being punished further by the relevant authorities.”

A long but pretty decent statement imo. What was the fenerbache racist sign?

[Moulin Yarns]

A long but pretty decent statement imo. What was the fenerbache racist sign?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c89y399pl07o

In the picture.

[JohnM1875]

Club Statement

“EVERYONE associated with Rangers Football Club will undoubtedly have enjoyed the last fortnight, with the men’s first-team producing some memorable results at home and abroad.

Contributing enormously to these occasions has been the backing of the Rangers supporters, with the world once again taking note of the phenomenal passion the club’s fans bring to these big occasions.
It is, however, deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority.
Firstly, the club has been charged by UEFA after a handful of supporters displayed what UEFA describe as a “racist and/or discriminatory banner” at last Thursday’s Ibrox meeting with Fenerbahce.
Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support. For the club to be charged with such a matter in 2025 is shameful, and the disdain for those responsible will be shared by the overwhelming majority of our supporters.
This charge will bring consequences for the club, while the club is also working to identify those responsible and will ensure they also face consequences.
For the avoidance of doubt, if you do not believe in 2025 that absolutely everyone is welcome to follow Rangers whether at Ibrox or away, then Rangers is not the club for you, and you should disassociate yourself with the club immediately.
Further, the club has also been charged by UEFA for the throwing of objects at the home match with Fenerbahce.
This is becoming a regular occurrence, not just at Rangers matches, but across stadia in Scotland. Indeed, our players and staff were targeted with missiles at Parkhead on Sunday.
Focusing on Ibrox, however, there was a widely-reported incident in the January Old Firm game, whilst at the recent game with Motherwell, one of our own supporters was hit and injured by an object thrown towards the away end. And now, the club faces a sanction for the actions of an individual last Thursday night.
This senseless and criminal behaviour has no place in sport, nor in society. Again, if you think such behaviour is acceptable, you are not welcome at Rangers matches.
The club will also face a UEFA sanction for the blocking of passageways at the Fenerbahce match. Supporters are urged to follow the advice of stewards and police at all matches, and to take their own seat to avoid this issue occurring again.
Lastly, and despite clear warnings to the contrary, pyrotechnics were used by two individuals following Sunday’s Old Firm victory at Parkhead.
This runs the risk of an additional 800 of our supporters being unable to attend a match in the latter stages of the Premier Sports Cup at Hampden, in addition to the 500 that will already miss out as a result of the use of pyrotechnics.
All of the above behaviours will have consequences for the club, and either directly or indirectly, the club’s supporters.
Rangers as a club will stand alongside our supporters, and advocate for their rights and their ability to support the team in the most passionate ways possible within the confines of the law and the appropriate regulations.
However, the club also calls on all reasonable supporters to wholeheartedly reject any behaviour which brings the name of Rangers into disrepute, and to assist the club by challenging any issues which will lead to the club being punished further by the relevant authorities.”

Brilliant statement and fair play to them for it.

[Joe6-2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c89y399pl07o

In the picture.

Club says a handful of fans, a very small minority !:rolleyes:

[The Spaceman]

Club Statement

“EVERYONE associated with Rangers Football Club will undoubtedly have enjoyed the last fortnight, with the men’s first-team producing some memorable results at home and abroad.

Contributing enormously to these occasions has been the backing of the Rangers supporters, with the world once again taking note of the phenomenal passion the club’s fans bring to these big occasions.
It is, however, deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority.
Firstly, the club has been charged by UEFA after a handful of supporters displayed what UEFA describe as a “racist and/or discriminatory banner” at last Thursday’s Ibrox meeting with Fenerbahce.
Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support. For the club to be charged with such a matter in 2025 is shameful, and the disdain for those responsible will be shared by the overwhelming majority of our supporters.
This charge will bring consequences for the club, while the club is also working to identify those responsible and will ensure they also face consequences.
For the avoidance of doubt, if you do not believe in 2025 that absolutely everyone is welcome to follow Rangers whether at Ibrox or away, then Rangers is not the club for you, and you should disassociate yourself with the club immediately.
Further, the club has also been charged by UEFA for the throwing of objects at the home match with Fenerbahce.
This is becoming a regular occurrence, not just at Rangers matches, but across stadia in Scotland. Indeed, our players and staff were targeted with missiles at Parkhead on Sunday.
Focusing on Ibrox, however, there was a widely-reported incident in the January Old Firm game, whilst at the recent game with Motherwell, one of our own supporters was hit and injured by an object thrown towards the away end. And now, the club faces a sanction for the actions of an individual last Thursday night.
This senseless and criminal behaviour has no place in sport, nor in society. Again, if you think such behaviour is acceptable, you are not welcome at Rangers matches.
The club will also face a UEFA sanction for the blocking of passageways at the Fenerbahce match. Supporters are urged to follow the advice of stewards and police at all matches, and to take their own seat to avoid this issue occurring again.
Lastly, and despite clear warnings to the contrary, pyrotechnics were used by two individuals following Sunday’s Old Firm victory at Parkhead.
This runs the risk of an additional 800 of our supporters being unable to attend a match in the latter stages of the Premier Sports Cup at Hampden, in addition to the 500 that will already miss out as a result of the use of pyrotechnics.
All of the above behaviours will have consequences for the club, and either directly or indirectly, the club’s supporters.
Rangers as a club will stand alongside our supporters, and advocate for their rights and their ability to support the team in the most passionate ways possible within the confines of the law and the appropriate regulations.
However, the club also calls on all reasonable supporters to wholeheartedly reject any behaviour which brings the name of Rangers into disrepute, and to assist the club by challenging any issues which will lead to the club being punished further by the relevant authorities.”

When will they state they defend Catholics and all other religious and non-religious faiths, seeing how open they apparently are?

[TrinityHFC]

Brilliant statement and fair play to them for it.

They only worry about this when forced to by UEFA. Last season there was a club facilitated full stand tifo with the image of Bill the Butcher with the words 'surrender or you'll die' on it.

Very surprised UEFA didn't pick up on it but Rangers were very happy to have that set up and displayed.

Their words don't mean much when they pick and choose when to speak out - largely when they are concerned about UEFA repercussions.

[Thatdayinmay16]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c89y399pl07o

In the picture.

Is this the actual banner in question as the article mentions "As well as this tifo, Rangers fans displayed another banner at Ibrox."

So I imagine the banner in question is worse than what we see on said article.

[CropleyWasGod]

Is this the actual banner in question as the article mentions "As well as this tifo, Rangers fans displayed another banner at Ibrox."

So I imagine the banner in question is worse than what we see on said article.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/mar/19/rangers-banner-fans-uefa-charge

[Bostonhibby]

They only worry about this when forced to by UEFA. Last season there was a club facilitated full stand tifo with the image of Bill the Butcher with the words 'surrender or you'll die' on it.

Very surprised UEFA didn't pick up on it but Rangers were very happy to have that set up and displayed.

Their words don't mean much when they pick and choose when to speak out - largely when they are concerned about UEFA repercussions.No UEFA involvement, no statement. They are between a rock and a hard place due to UEFA doing what the Scottish authorities daren't. UEFA are not slow to increase penalties either.

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[Keith_M]

Their statement is a PR exercise that they were forced into because UEFA actually apply rules on unacceptable behaviour.

The wording was misleading as regards the views of their club and the overall fanbase.

Also, they always try to downplay the numbers involved and create a false narrative of the majority of their fans being so open minded and disapproving of the behaviour/attitudes of an alleged 'minority'.

[gbhibby]

Club Statement

“EVERYONE associated with Rangers Football Club will undoubtedly have enjoyed the last fortnight, with the men’s first-team producing some memorable results at home and abroad.

Contributing enormously to these occasions has been the backing of the Rangers supporters, with the world once again taking note of the phenomenal passion the club’s fans bring to these big occasions.
It is, however, deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority.
Firstly, the club has been charged by UEFA after a handful of supporters displayed what UEFA describe as a “racist and/or discriminatory banner” at last Thursday’s Ibrox meeting with Fenerbahce.
Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support. For the club to be charged with such a matter in 2025 is shameful, and the disdain for those responsible will be shared by the overwhelming majority of our supporters.
This charge will bring consequences for the club, while the club is also working to identify those responsible and will ensure they also face consequences.
For the avoidance of doubt, if you do not believe in 2025 that absolutely everyone is welcome to follow Rangers whether at Ibrox or away, then Rangers is not the club for you, and you should disassociate yourself with the club immediately.
Further, the club has also been charged by UEFA for the throwing of objects at the home match with Fenerbahce.
This is becoming a regular occurrence, not just at Rangers matches, but across stadia in Scotland. Indeed, our players and staff were targeted with missiles at Parkhead on Sunday.
Focusing on Ibrox, however, there was a widely-reported incident in the January Old Firm game, whilst at the recent game with Motherwell, one of our own supporters was hit and injured by an object thrown towards the away end. And now, the club faces a sanction for the actions of an individual last Thursday night.
This senseless and criminal behaviour has no place in sport, nor in society. Again, if you think such behaviour is acceptable, you are not welcome at Rangers matches.
The club will also face a UEFA sanction for the blocking of passageways at the Fenerbahce match. Supporters are urged to follow the advice of stewards and police at all matches, and to take their own seat to avoid this issue occurring again.
Lastly, and despite clear warnings to the contrary, pyrotechnics were used by two individuals following Sunday’s Old Firm victory at Parkhead.
This runs the risk of an additional 800 of our supporters being unable to attend a match in the latter stages of the Premier Sports Cup at Hampden, in addition to the 500 that will already miss out as a result of the use of pyrotechnics.
All of the above behaviours will have consequences for the club, and either directly or indirectly, the club’s supporters.
Rangers as a club will stand alongside our supporters, and advocate for their rights and their ability to support the team in the most passionate ways possible within the confines of the law and the appropriate regulations.
However, the club also calls on all reasonable supporters to wholeheartedly reject any behaviour which brings the name of Rangers into disrepute, and to assist the club by challenging any issues which will lead to the club being punished further by the relevant authorities.”
You're no the Pepul

[Hibs4185]

Ps the fine will be around £10,000 for which we willl need to issue a further 10,000,0000 shares

[Carheenlea]

It’s there to pick holes at of course, but in this instance I think Rangers deserve credit for a strongly worded statement. The tone and some of the wording used suggests they are genuinely angry at a section of their support and they’re not trying to defend them in any way.

[Lendo]

:faf::faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

Make Rangers Staunch Again.


"Open Letter to the Directors of Rangers Football Club


Subject: The Importance of True Inclusivity at Rangers Football Club


Dear Directors of Rangers Football Club,

As a proud and devoted supporter of this great institution, I feel compelled to share my concerns regarding an issue that has been weighing heavily on many of us within the Rangers community. The club’s motto, “Everyone and Anyone,” has long been a cornerstone of the Rangers identity. However, in recent years, it has become increasingly clear that this motto does not seem to apply to a significant portion of the club’s supporters—those who align with Christian and Protestant values.


Rangers Football Club has become a platform for promoting the values of various minority groups, such as the LGBT+ community, across social media and other channels. While some people want to celebrate diversity and create an inclusive environment for all, it feels as though the majority group, those who share traditional Christian and Protestant beliefs, has been left out or, worse, sidelined.

Examples of this is when the club design and the release an orange strip. This kit, which has zero involvement in the club colours is only produced for one reason only. Finance. Why you ask? The Orange colour, associated historically with the Protestant community, seemed to be more of a financial decision rather than a meaningful tribute to the heritage and identity of a large section of the Rangers fanbase which for financial gain but show contempt for the very organisation you expolit.


This issue extends beyond just merchandise. In the 1980s, church rallies and Christian celebrations were once part of the fabric of this club. They represented the values that many supporters hold dear. Yet, these traditions were gradually removed, and the Christian ethos was pushed to the margins of the Rangers experience. Today, the very organization that represents those values, the Orange Order, Church of Scotland etc is often vilified or ignored—while the club’s commercial decisions seem to be more in tune with the values of other minority groups.

It is with this in mind that I urge you, the directors of Rangers Football Club, to revisit your commitment to the motto “Everyone and Anyone.” The essence of this motto should apply to all supporters, not just to those whose views or identities align with current trends or political ideologies. It is essential for the club to embrace inclusivity that goes beyond selective promotion of certain groups. We must all be included, not just a few.

This is not a call to diminish or silence the voices of minority groups, but rather to ensure that the club remains a place where all supporters, regardless of their faith or background, feel equally valued. It is crucial that Rangers maintains its identity as a football club for everyone and anyone, staying true to the spirit of its loyal supporters—many of whom have deep-rooted Christian values and connections to the Protestant tradition.

Therefore, I respectfully ask you to reconsider the current trajectory and review how the club can be more inclusive of all groups, including those who hold Christian and Protestant values. If Rangers truly wants to embrace its motto, then it must act in a manner that respects and represents the full spectrum of its supporters.


If this cannot be done, I ask you to keep politics and ideologies out of the football club entirely, ensuring that it remains a place for the enjoyment of sport and the shared passion of its fans—regardless of their background or beliefs.


We will not back down or shy away from these values."

[Joe6-2]

I wondered what the Ramadan thing was all about at ipox the other day, now I know, getting ahead of this coming out and showing how open they are to everyone

[Lendo]

I wondered what the Ramadan thing was all about at ipox the other day, now I know, getting ahead of this coming out and showing how open they are to everyone

I had assumed the banner was in response to that event.

[Joe6-2]

I wondered why they had a Ramadan celebration thing at ipox, assume knew this was on the horizon and preempted by showing how open they are

[Lago]

It’s there to pick holes at of course, but in this instance I think Rangers deserve credit for a strongly worded statement. The tone and some of the wording used suggests they are genuinely angry at a section of their support and they’re not trying to defend them in any way.
Agree

[Lendo]

28651

In that case let the Orange Order celebrate the 12th of July in their lodges and homes and keep it off the streets.

They really don’t do irony.

[Jim44]

Brilliant statement and fair play to them for it.

Nothing brilliant about these hypocritical barstewards. Empty words. Deep down the club loves their bigoted view of football and, indeed, depend on it for their ‘raisin d’etre’. Their empty words are purely designed to keep the authorities off their backs ………… not really necessary as the authorities are totally behind the rancid club.

[plhibs]

What is the Premier Sports Cup they mention?

[ian cruise]

What does the all this and the potential buy in from 49s mean for regular folk with shares to sell?

We've got some I inherited from my dad after he passed. Obviously getting rid of them would be ideal.

[CropleyWasGod]

What does the all this and the potential buy in from 49s mean for regular folk with shares to sell?

We've got some I inherited from my dad after he passed. Obviously getting rid of them would be ideal.

You should probably write to the Company Secretary. Yours will be a common situation.

Graham Horsman is his name.

[ian cruise]

You should probably write to the Company Secretary. Yours will be a common situation.

Graham Horsman is his name.

Thanks, we'll give it a go.

[McD]

What is the Premier Sports Cup they mention?


The current name for the league cup.


Rangers, Celtic and Motherwell have all been told they will each have a number of tickets withheld if the make it back to a semi final (500 I think), due to pyro at hampden there this season in the competition

[plhibs]

Ah thanks I never realized this (always been the league cup to me). They should have done something about it this season but it’s Scottish Football, no surprise it involves the a*** cheeks.

[SJNB Hibby]

Their statement is a PR exercise that they were forced into because UEFA actually apply rules on unacceptable behaviour.

The wording was misleading as regards the views of their club and the overall fanbase.

Also, they always try to downplay the numbers involved and create a false narrative of the majority of their fans being so open minded and disapproving of the behaviour/attitudes of an alleged 'minority'.

I love this bit "Rangers is a modern, progressive football club"

[gbhibby]

I love this bit "Rangers is a modern, progressive football club"

Founded in 2012.

[Jones28]

Rangers Football Club has become a platform for promoting the values of various minority groups, such as the LGBT+ community, across social media and other channels. While some people want to celebrate diversity and create an inclusive environment for all, it feels as though the majority group, those who share traditional Christian and Protestant beliefs, has been left out or, worse, sidelined.

Examples of this is when the club design and the release an orange strip. This kit, which has zero involvement in the club colours is only produced for one reason only. Finance. Why you ask? The Orange colour, associated historically with the Protestant community, seemed to be more of a financial decision rather than a meaningful tribute to the heritage and identity of a large section of the Rangers fanbase which for financial gain but show contempt for the very organisation you expolit.

This is hilarious. "You's are pyoor exploitin wiz coz youz know how much we love bein' pyoor staunch n aw that"

But Billy Dodds and Derek Ferguson said it was to celebrate Dutch footballers?

So which is it lads? Staunchness, or a celebration of Dutch players?

[Smartie]

A hun existential crisis?

Lovely stuff.

I must admit, it did make me uncomfortable when they released a statement befitting of a modern, reasonable, tolerant 21st century institution earlier this week.

Made me feel like the small minded bigot, when that is generally a defensive position adopted by being subjected to a lifetime of their pish.

[gbhibby]

A hun existential crisis?

Lovely stuff.

I must admit, it did make me uncomfortable when they released a statement befitting of a modern, reasonable, tolerant 21st century institution earlier this week.

Made me feel like the small minded bigot, when that is generally a defensive position adopted by being subjected to a lifetime of their pish.
They did get it right being a modern club they are only 13 years old.

[Saint Hibee]

:faf::faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

Make Rangers Staunch Again.


"Open Letter to the Directors of Rangers Football Club


Subject: The Importance of True Inclusivity at Rangers Football Club


Dear Directors of Rangers Football Club,

As a proud and devoted supporter of this great institution, I feel compelled to share my concerns regarding an issue that has been weighing heavily on many of us within the Rangers community. The club’s motto, “Everyone and Anyone,” has long been a cornerstone of the Rangers identity. However, in recent years, it has become increasingly clear that this motto does not seem to apply to a significant portion of the club’s supporters—those who align with Christian and Protestant values.


Rangers Football Club has become a platform for promoting the values of various minority groups, such as the LGBT+ community, across social media and other channels. While some people want to celebrate diversity and create an inclusive environment for all, it feels as though the majority group, those who share traditional Christian and Protestant beliefs, has been left out or, worse, sidelined.

Examples of this is when the club design and the release an orange strip. This kit, which has zero involvement in the club colours is only produced for one reason only. Finance. Why you ask? The Orange colour, associated historically with the Protestant community, seemed to be more of a financial decision rather than a meaningful tribute to the heritage and identity of a large section of the Rangers fanbase which for financial gain but show contempt for the very organisation you expolit.


This issue extends beyond just merchandise. In the 1980s, church rallies and Christian celebrations were once part of the fabric of this club. They represented the values that many supporters hold dear. Yet, these traditions were gradually removed, and the Christian ethos was pushed to the margins of the Rangers experience. Today, the very organization that represents those values, the Orange Order, Church of Scotland etc is often vilified or ignored—while the club’s commercial decisions seem to be more in tune with the values of other minority groups.

It is with this in mind that I urge you, the directors of Rangers Football Club, to revisit your commitment to the motto “Everyone and Anyone.” The essence of this motto should apply to all supporters, not just to those whose views or identities align with current trends or political ideologies. It is essential for the club to embrace inclusivity that goes beyond selective promotion of certain groups. We must all be included, not just a few.

This is not a call to diminish or silence the voices of minority groups, but rather to ensure that the club remains a place where all supporters, regardless of their faith or background, feel equally valued. It is crucial that Rangers maintains its identity as a football club for everyone and anyone, staying true to the spirit of its loyal supporters—many of whom have deep-rooted Christian values and connections to the Protestant tradition.

Therefore, I respectfully ask you to reconsider the current trajectory and review how the club can be more inclusive of all groups, including those who hold Christian and Protestant values. If Rangers truly wants to embrace its motto, then it must act in a manner that respects and represents the full spectrum of its supporters.


If this cannot be done, I ask you to keep politics and ideologies out of the football club entirely, ensuring that it remains a place for the enjoyment of sport and the shared passion of its fans—regardless of their background or beliefs.


We will not back down or shy away from these values."

I don't even know where to start with this one. But the fact that "Christian" and "Protestant" are presented as two different identities speaks volumes ...

[Bostonhibby]

I don't even know where to start with this one. But the fact that "Christian" and "Protestant" are presented as two different identities speaks volumes ...Maybe they're being highly intelligent here and are hoping to disguise the fact that in hunland there really is a different version of protestantism?

Obviously distinct from christianity or indeed most / any other theologies?

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Is that open letter genuine?

[we are hibs]

https://x.com/jardine_jardine/status/1903028582030487978?t=MQF0_VFSUXDG4E6_FfIMag&s=19



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[Donegal Hibby]

Union bear statement …

https://x.com/UnionBears_07/status/1903095539891130449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1903095539891130449%7Ctwgr% 5E8b3c8a092ba7e4669938d9d68c9ea8b303824699%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rangersreview.co.uk%2Ffe atures%2F25027863.union-bears-call-abuse-police-power-celtic-vs-rangers%2F

[The Harp Awakes]

'Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support.'

:faf:

Surely it's no April 1st yet is it?

We used to live in an age, where if something waddled and quacked like a duck, it was a duck 100%.

We're now living in a parallel, social media universe, where white is black, the devil is God and evil is good.

You can act and be as obnoxious as like and then say you're holier than holy and all is fine and sorted.

And there's some even in our support that give them credit. **** me.

[The Harp Awakes]

'Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support.'

:faf:

Surely it's no April 1st yet is it?

We used to live in an age, where if something waddled and quacked like a duck, it was a duck 100%.

We're now living in a parallel, social media universe, where white is black, the devil is God and evil is good.

You can act and be as obnoxious as you like and then say you're holier than holy and all is fine and sorted.

And there's some even in our support that give them credit. **** me.

[Joe6-2]

Union bear statement …

https://x.com/UnionBears_07/status/1903095539891130449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1903095539891130449%7Ctwgr% 5E8b3c8a092ba7e4669938d9d68c9ea8b303824699%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rangersreview.co.uk%2Ffe atures%2F25027863.union-bears-call-abuse-police-power-celtic-vs-rangers%2F

:hyper Diks

[gbhibby]

https://x.com/jardine_jardine/status/1903028582030487978?t=MQF0_VFSUXDG4E6_FfIMag&s=19



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Do you think I will get in with my saxophone?😁

[CropleyWasGod]

Do you think I will get in with my saxophone?😁

Can you play Coltrane's Blue Train?

[HoboHarry]

Do you think I will get in with my saxophone?😁
I'm not showing up with my banjo, a cheer from me at the first Hibs goal and I'll get banjo'd....

[gbhibby]

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[Since90+2]

'Rangers is a modern, progressive football club, and we are fiercely proud of our diverse playing squads, workforce and support.'

:faf:

Surely it's no April 1st yet is it?

We used to live in an age, where if something waddled and quacked like a duck, it was a duck 100%.

We're now living in a parallel, social media universe, where white is black, the devil is God and evil is good.

You can act and be as obnoxious as you like and then say you're holier than holy and all is fine and sorted.

And there's some even in our support that give them credit. **** me.

There's not many in our support who give them credit? Very strange if so.

[The Harp Awakes]

There's not many in our support who give them credit? Very strange if so.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant credit given on this thread for their statement.

[Victor]

Union bear statement …

https://x.com/UnionBears_07/status/1903095539891130449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1903095539891130449%7Ctwgr% 5E8b3c8a092ba7e4669938d9d68c9ea8b303824699%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rangersreview.co.uk%2Ffe atures%2F25027863.union-bears-call-abuse-police-power-celtic-vs-rangers%2F

That statement is comedy gold. If there was ever a need for Section 60 to be invoked it is an Old Firm Derby. The use of pyros, by both sets of supporters, shows why it is required. The best line is that the Club should ‘exert its influence to compel Police Scotland’ they obviously think we are still living in the 1950’s.

[PHeffernan]

That statement is comedy gold. If there was ever a need for Section 60 to be invoked it is an Old Firm Derby. The use of pyros, by both sets of supporters, shows why it is required. The best line is that the Club should ‘exert its influence to compel Police Scotland’ they obviously think we are still living in the 1950’s.

It's the same comedy gold as the Green Brigade and Block 7 statements.
They need to all dry their eyes.
As for the Onion Bears statement, incredible brass neck in a week where they have caused reputational and financial damage to their club. The "We demand" bit is particularly cringe. Think they will be a long time waiting.

Reckon Rangers and Celtic will be secretly happy that both sets of Ultra's were put back in their boxes by the Police.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czx7l4zngr3o

If only we could do this in Scotland, would sort it out once and all

[CentreLine]

Following up on their statement The Rangers football club have issued lifetime bans to union bears supporters they consider responsible for the offensive banners at their last European game. Reported in the Herald

I have to say I’m pleasantly surprised and they should be congratulated IMHO

[HoboHarry]

Sevco being reminded that UEFA have a bigger pair of balls than their masonic colleagues at the SFA.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czx7l4zngr3o

[JohnM1875]

Following up on their statement The Rangers football club have issued lifetime bans to union bears supporters they consider responsible for the offensive banners at their last European game. Reported in the Herald

I have to say I’m pleasantly surprised and they should be congratulated IMHO

Completely agree. Fair play.

Maybe finally getting their **** together to secure this takeover.

[HoboHarry]

Completely agree. Fair play.

Maybe finally getting their **** together to secure this takeover.
Perhaps you are correct but I think it's more likely that they are playing to the gallery containing the alleged American investors.

[HarpOnHibee]

Following up on their statement The Rangers football club have issued lifetime bans to union bears supporters they consider responsible for the offensive banners at their last European game. Reported in the Herald

I have to say I’m pleasantly surprised and they should be congratulated IMHO

"supporters they consider responsible"

So they could just decide that they don't consider any of them responsible while making it appear as if they're doing something at the same time.

[CentreLine]

"supporters they consider responsible"

So they could just decide that they don't consider any of them responsible while making it appear as if they're doing something at the same time.

I’ve paraphrased on the article. The headline reads “Rangers issue lifetime ban to Union Bears members responsible for racist banner”

[JimBHibees]

Sevco being reminded that UEFA have a bigger pair of balls than their masonic colleagues at the SFA.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czx7l4zngr3o

It goes to show how high they jump when an authority is willing to punish them

[Saint Hibee]

Sevco being reminded that UEFA have a bigger pair of balls than their masonic colleagues at the SFA.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czx7l4zngr3o

Don't tell me they've gone and surrendered to those pesky foreigners with their "woke ideologies"!!!

[monarch]

When the subject of Cerny firing water at Celtic fans was mentioned at the recent press conference Ned Ferguson stated he had no concerns about it and wanted to his players to celebrate. No surprise there given his past record.
Anyhoo given that we’re at Ibrox on 5 April let’s make sure that we score and celebrate in the same way. Can you imagine Boyler spraying the Govan unwashed having scored the winner.

In which case stand back for mass condemnation from their media acolytes and the SFA who have been strangely silent on the subject up till now.

[Joe6-2]

When the subject of Cerny firing water at Celtic fans was mentioned at the recent press conference Ned Ferguson stated he had no concerns about it and wanted to his players to celebrate. No surprise there given his past record.
Anyhoo given that we’re at Ibrox on 5 April let’s make sure that we score and celebrate in the same way. Can you imagine Boyler spraying the Govan unwashed having scored the winner.

In which case stand back for mass condemnation from their media acolytes and the SFA who have been strangely silent on the subject up till now.

Can you just imagine the furore if it had happened to me them from us or any other side apart from the other ar*e cheek?!

[LunasBoots]

See they've been warned to behave in Dundee 🤣, apparantly they are having a 'defend Britain' protest.

[Lendo]

See they've been warned to behave in Dundee 🤣, apparantly they are having a 'defend Britain' protest.


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There are no words for their stupidity.

[Chorley Hibee]

Can you just imagine the furore if it had happened to me them from us or any other side apart from the other ar*e cheek?!

Remember the same club released a crayon etched rant when Lennon celebrated our win there.

Fannies.

[Glory Lurker]

I'm quite ashamed that, as a complacent liberal, I just hadn't properly applied my mind to the SFA's murky role in the migration narrative. It's obvious when you think about it. Much as it pains me to say it, I have to hand it to these sevcovians for lifting the veil from my eyes.

[Since90+2]

So basically players in the eyes of Ferguson are free to spray water on random supporters?

He's lucky he's not faced some kind of police action to be honest.

Not because I agree it's necessarily enough to have action taken against him for it , but if you walked down Princes Street and sprayed a bottle of water in a random persons face, and there was video evidence clearly identifying the person then you'd likely face a breach of the peace charge at least. Especially if Police officers were standing 10 feet away as in the case here.

[CentreLine]

28668

There are no words for their stupidity.

But but that’s a Dutch flag 🇳🇱 🤭
Ironically the last country to successfully invade England in 1688

[PHeffernan]

So basically players in the eyes of Ferguson are free to spray water on random supporters?

He's lucky he's not faced some kind of police action to be honest.

Not because I agree it's necessarily enough to have action taken against him for it , but if you walked down Princes Street and sprayed a bottle of water in a random persons face, and there was video evidence clearly identifying the person then you'd likely face a breach of the peace charge at least. Especially if Police officers were standing 10 feet away as in the case here.

The players are entertainers at a sporting event. The pitch is their stage.
I've not watched this incident but I presume that the water spraying barely touched any particular person.
It's part of the entertainment for me and those touched by a drop of water got a walk on part.
Another example of football supporters taking sport and themselves far too seriously with their sense of humour bypass.

[Since90+2]

The players are entertainers at a sporting event. The pitch is their stage.
I've not watched this incident but I presume that the water spraying barely touched any particular person.
It's part of the entertainment for me and those touched by a drop of water got a walk on part.
Another example of football supporters taking sport and themselves far too seriously with their sense of humour bypass.

That might be relevant if the fan was on the players "stage", he wasn't, he was sitting in his seat as a paying customer, he didn't sign up to be part of the entertainment or to have water sprayed on him.

As I said if you done it to someone randomly walking past you in the street and the police were 10 feet away and seen it, I'd be fairly certain they'd take action.

[blackpoolhibs]

So basically players in the eyes of Ferguson are free to spray water on random supporters?

He's lucky he's not faced some kind of police action to be honest.

Not because I agree it's necessarily enough to have action taken against him for it , but if you walked down Princes Street and sprayed a bottle of water in a random persons face, and there was video evidence clearly identifying the person then you'd likely face a breach of the peace charge at least. Especially if Police officers were standing 10 feet away as in the case here.

The SFS gave him a warning, and told him if he was to do it again, make sure there is some fairy liquid in it too.

[nonshinyfinish]

28668

There are no words for their stupidity.

Initially thought that said "f*** the sea"

[Jones28]

28668

There are no words for their stupidity.

If only they’d stopped the boats when all their pyoor kulchur was brought over the Irish Sea eh?

[Eyrie]

That might be relevant if the fan was on the players "stage", he wasn't, he was sitting in his seat as a paying customer, he didn't sign up to be part of the entertainment or to have water sprayed on him.

As I said if you done it to someone randomly walking past you in the street and the police were 10 feet away and seen it, I'd be fairly certain they'd take action.

The police would also take action if you yelled abuse at someone in the street the way some fans do to players at games.

[Kato]

Initially thought that said "f*** the sea"Makes as much sense.

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[Since90+2]

The police would also take action if you yelled abuse at someone in the street the way some fans do to players at games.

That's true, although unenforceable due to numbers involved.

And as far as I'm aware there's been no indication that the fan who was sprayed was abusing Cerny, so the fact that fans shout at players shouldn't preclude the police from taking action where there's clear evidence it's happened.

[Smartie]

Makes as much sense.

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I’m going to make the argument that the sea is a big, dangerous, salty b*****d that has claimed the lives of many a Brit, and if they had any brain cells between they’d be better of turning their attention to f*****g it.

[O'Rourke3]

Spraying water on a fan is probably a religious crime. That fan probably abstinate the use of water and soap.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Initially thought that said "f*** the sea"

Bunch of Canutes.

[gbhibby]

Bunch of Canutes.

Originally spelt C n u t.

[HoboHarry]

Phil Mac is quoting David Low in saying that 4 Sevconians are trying to sell shares for 3.5p each. If they only just issued a wad of them at 20p per share why would anyone be willing to sell at the low price, especially when the club is (ahem) about to be taken over? This isn't my area of expertise but I'd love to hear of a sensible explanation...

[Carheenlea]

Rangers tweeting about what it is like being a professional footballer during Ramadan has went as well you would expect.

https://x.com/rangersfc/status/1906753357789929803?s=46

[Not In The Know]

I shouldn’t be surprised (but I am!!)

some of the comments on that from their own fans jeezo. They truly are the worst bunch.

[JimBHibees]

Rangers tweeting about what it is like being a professional footballer during Ramadan has went as well you would expect.

https://x.com/rangersfc/status/1906753357789929803?s=46

Thought that was really good

[gbhibby]

Police confirm no action will be taken against Cerny.

[CropleyWasGod]

Another day, another Court case.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/14588033/rangers-ibrox-credit-card-firm-lawsuit/#:~:text=RANGERS%20are%20in%20court%20facing,compe nsation%E2%80%9D%20from%20the%20Glasgow%20club.

[HoboHarry]

Another day, another Court case.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/14588033/rangers-ibrox-credit-card-firm-lawsuit/#:~:text=RANGERS%20are%20in%20court%20facing,compe nsation%E2%80%9D%20from%20the%20Glasgow%20club.
They just can't help themselves. It's a wonder anyone does business with them, even if in this case they may have recourse to compensation it's still a lot of time spent getting there...

[gbhibby]

They just can't help themselves. It's a wonder anyone does business with them, even if in this case they may have recourse to compensation it's still a lot of time spent getting there...
You don't have the cards Rangers

Wonder if the 49ers will still want to go ahead with their investment?

[HoboHarry]

You don't have the cards Rangers

Wonder if the 49ers will still want to go ahead with their investment?
I haven't believed the 49ers thing since the story broke. Half a billion confetti shares (and some of those are currently up for sale I believe with no takers) and a dilapidated stadium. If those people have serious money to invest I suspect they'll be looking to England, plenty of teams there with good potential.

[gbhibby]

I haven't believed the 49ers thing since the story broke. Half a billion confetti shares (and some of those are currently up for sale I believe with no takers) and a dilapidated stadium. If those people have serious money to invest I suspect they'll be looking to England, plenty of teams there with good potential.
Harry didn't want to put a name to the quote as Tr**p is a swear word around the world at the moment.

[CropleyWasGod]

Harry didn't want to put a name to the quote as Tr**p is a swear word around the world at the moment.

Harry is an immigrant, too. He has to be careful. :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

Harry is an immigrant, too. He has to be careful. :greengrin
Was back in Scotland in January at short notice and I had to apply for an ETA to get in since my UK Passport expired years ago :greengrin

[gbhibby]

Harry is an immigrant, too. He has to be careful. :greengrin

🤣

[gbhibby]

I haven't believed the 49ers thing since the story broke. Half a billion confetti shares (and some of those are currently up for sale I believe with no takers) and a dilapidated stadium. If those people have serious money to invest I suspect they'll be looking to England, plenty of teams there with good potential.
Harry has there been any press reports in the states about the 49ers proposed investment in Rangers?

[HoboHarry]

Harry has there been any press reports in the states about the 49ers proposed investment in Rangers?
Not that I've seen but honestly there's little or no interest in this region. NFL and Baseball are huge here between the Texans, Cowboys and Astros with the football (soccer :greengrin) fraternity being Hispanic for the most part and following the top teams in England plus Real, Barcelona etc etc. I'd love to see some credible news over here that proved it real but I'm not holding my breath waiting.

[gbhibby]

Not that I've seen but honestly there's little or no interest in this region. The football (soccer :greengrin) fraternity are Hispanic for the most part and follow the top teams in England plus Real, Barcelona etc etc. I'd love to see some credible news over here that proved it real but I'm not holding my breath waiting.
They will need to change the state name to Tejas then?😁

[HoboHarry]

They will need to change the state name to Tejas then?😁
Aye you should write and suggest that idea to Trump, that'll go over well :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Aye you should write and suggest that idea to Trump, that'll go over well :greengrin


Has he announced any plans to re-name New Mexico yet?

:greengrin

[gbhibby]

Aye you should write and suggest that idea to Trump, that'll go over well :greengrin
Will end up with a visit from the CIA if I did that.
When are the Texas Rangers going to be renamed Texas The Rangers.

[ancient hibee]

Not that I've seen but honestly there's little or no interest in this region. NFL and Baseball are huge here between the Texans, Cowboys and Astros with the football (soccer :greengrin) fraternity being Hispanic for the most part and following the top teams in England plus Real, Barcelona etc etc. I'd love to see some credible news over here that proved it real but I'm not holding my breath waiting.
Well if it’s not real there are a lot of fraudsters pretending to be office bearers in various parts of the 49ers set up giving interviews in the newspapers here.

[HoboHarry]

Well if it’s not real there are a lot of fraudsters pretending to be office bearers in various parts of the 49ers set up giving interviews in the newspapers here.

Maybe it is real, I have no way of knowing. I've just said consistently that I can't imagine why investors would look at a club in Scotland given how broken Sevco are and the prospect of little in return. Maybe they will invest but if they do I suspect it won't be at a level that their half witted support are hoping for.

[Not In The Know]

Absolutely hilarious that the 49rs owners are a huge catholic family.

[Ozyhibby]

Maybe it is real, I have no way of knowing. I've just said consistently that I can't imagine why investors would look at a club in Scotland given how broken Sevco are and the prospect of little in return. Maybe they will invest but if they do I suspect it won't be at a level that their half witted support are hoping for.

Most football investment is like that. It never seems to make financial sense. The Gordon’s buying Hibs was like that.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Maybe it is real, I have no way of knowing. I've just said consistently that I can't imagine why investors would look at a club in Scotland given how broken Sevco are and the prospect of little in return. Maybe they will invest but if they do I suspect it won't be at a level that their half witted support are hoping for.


Most football investment is like that. It never seems to make financial sense. The Gordon’s buying Hibs was like that.


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It kinda makes sense to me.

It's about buying something which has the potential to be more valuable than it currently is.

RFC are in a poor state, but have the potential to be something much better. A few seasons in the CL, on the back of player investment, and they will be ripe for selling on at a profit.

Us, perhaps less so. But the logic is there. In turnover terms, we are starting to move in the right direction.

It's risky, of course, as so many things are outwith your control..... bad decisions, player mistakes, dodgy pitches....but the 49'ers guys will have been there before.

[SickBoy32]

Absolutely hilarious that the 49rs owners are a huge catholic family.

If that’s true - then you can only assume they’ve not done their due diligence.

Aiming to bring success and happiness to an explicitly anti-catholic institution. Bizarre.

Unless they’re targeting liquidation2, in which case best of luck 49ers 👍

[CropleyWasGod]

Absolutely hilarious that the 49rs owners are a huge catholic family.


If that’s true - then you can only assume they’ve not done their due diligence.

Aiming to bring success and happiness to an explicitly anti-catholic institution. Bizarre.

Unless they’re targeting liquidation2, in which case best of luck 49ers ��

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/latest-rangers-news/rangers-takeover-completely-separate-from-the-49ers-as-nfl-giants-distance-themselves-from-ibrox-deal-5063022

The 49ers are owned by the York family, who are Catholic philanthropists.

The guy involved in the RFC takeover is one of their vice-presidents, not their owner. Paraag Marathe..... I've no idea what faith he is. Maybe he's one of the Kilkenny Marathes :wink:

The 49ers themselves are not funding the deal.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.glasgowworld.com/sport/football/rangers/sam-allardyce-next-rangers-manager-ex-nottingham-forest-number-2-5066816

Dream ticket[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Big Sam and wee Bam. The 49ers can't be giving them any money by the looks of things.

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[007]

Most football investment is like that. It never seems to make financial sense. The Gordon’s buying Hibs was like that.


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Ann Budge has made a small fortune from her investment. Bought them for £2.5m, got paid back in full while holding on to 17.4%, has loaned them several million and as confirmed by their accounts,they're charged at standard market rates. Millions gets donated to the club every year to improve the infrastructure (new stand, hotel, restaurant) while Budge puts in nothing. All of which has grown the value of the club, quoted in the media as Bloom investing up to £10m for, what was it 25%? Which would value them at £40m. Sounds high to me but based on that, Budge's 17.4% would be worth £7m. So a tidy profit of £7m plus whatever she's made in interest.

I find it hilarious that the fans and Anderson are plowing in millions for nothing in return whilst Budge is plowing in nothing for millions in return.

[CentreLine]

Ann Budge has made a small fortune from her investment. Bought them for £2.5m, got paid back in full while holding on to 17.4%, has loaned them several million and as confirmed by their accounts,they're charged at standard market rates. Millions gets donated to the club every year to improve the infrastructure (new stand, hotel, restaurant) while Budge puts in nothing. All of which has grown the value of the club, quoted in the media as Bloom investing up to £10m for, what was it 25%? Which would value them at £40m. Sounds high to me but based on that, Budge's 17.4% would be worth £7m. So a tidy profit of £7m plus whatever she's made in interest.

I find it hilarious that the fans and Anderson are plowing in millions for nothing in return whilst Budge is plowing in nothing for millions in return.

In terms of being a football supporter it sucks. In terms of being a business person it’s genius. Remember she was reported as having taken a lot of advice from STF. There are a lot of parallels there but at least STF never claimed to be a supporter.

[Keith_M]

The board's decision on what to do with Barry is now in...


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[Bishop Hibee]

I just watched the BBC interview with Ferguson. He needs some serious therapy. Mr Angry doesn’t cover it. Brilliant!

[greenlex]

I just watched the BBC interview with Ferguson. He needs some serious therapy. Mr Angry doesn’t cover it. Brilliant!
I actually think he’s playing at being angry. He’s popped on the blazer , brown brogues and puffed his chest out telling them all what it’s like to play for Rangurs when really he’s a clueless thicko. If he’d been that angry he wouldn’t be available for interview and would still have them in the changing room with Doddsy or McCann sent instead. They’re a bunch of chancers. McGregor’s actually managed to make Butland worse and not a winner amongst the playing staff. questionable whether the management team have it in them any more either. **** them all.

[BILLYHIBS]

The Rangers lose five successive home games

Loving it

[we are hibs]

Is there anything funnier than Kris Boyd saying stuff like "maybe the shirts too heavy for a lot of rangers players". Has he wiped out that season in the championship when he was fat as **** and waddling around the park whilst Rangers finished third in the championship and lost multiple games to Hibs, Hearts and the likes of Alloa and Queen of the South too.


I remember the 4-0 game at Easter Road he came on at half time and should have been sent off about 3 times within 5 minutes. Running about elbowing folk off the ball

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[Bostonhibby]

I actually think he’s playing at. Ring angry. He’s popped on the blazer , brown brogues and puffed his chest out telling them all what it’s like to play for Rangurs when really he’s a clueless thicko. If he’d been that angry he wouldn’t be available for interview and would still have them in the changing room with Doddsy or McCann sent instead. They’re a bunch of chancers. McGregor’s actually managed to make Butland worse and not a winner amongst the playing staff. questionable whether the management team have it in them any more either. **** them all.Yep, he's just a poor man's "Bomber" Brown. Looks like the orange car and surrounding him with a wee gang of huns isn't going to cut it in a post 17th century world.

Where's my Atletico Bilbao top.........

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[Smartie]

I actually think he’s playing at being angry. He’s popped on the blazer , brown brogues and puffed his chest out telling them all what it’s like to play for Rangurs when really he’s a clueless thicko. If he’d been that angry he wouldn’t be available for interview and would still have them in the changing room with Doddsy or McCann sent instead. They’re a bunch of chancers. McGregor’s actually managed to make Butland worse and not a winner amongst the playing staff. questionable whether the management team have it in them any more either. **** them all.

It comes across a bit insincere but with that recent record and the way they’re being outfought every week, any manager with any credibility should be furious.

[Bostonhibby]

It comes across a bit insincere but with that recent record and the way they’re being outfought every week, any manager with any credibility should be furious.The credibility bit might be the problem here?[emoji6]

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[lucky]

I thought the wee ned was honest. His team are crap and has no heart for league matches unless it's Celtic. His anger is the reason why he won't make it as a manager. He can't accept players are different from his time as a player. Shouting and being angry is not coaching. None of his coaching staff have been successful in management or coaching. Long may it continue

[Iain G]

The credibility bit might be the problem here?[emoji6]

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But he was the staunchest candidate available to work for buttons!

[gbhibby]

But he was the staunchest candidate available to work for buttons!
Was it buy one get three free?

[CentreLine]

I actually think he’s playing at being angry. He’s popped on the blazer , brown brogues and puffed his chest out telling them all what it’s like to play for Rangurs when really he’s a clueless thicko. If he’d been that angry he wouldn’t be available for interview and would still have them in the changing room with Doddsy or McCann sent instead. They’re a bunch of chancers. McGregor’s actually managed to make Butland worse and not a winner amongst the playing staff. questionable whether the management team have it in them any more either. **** them all.

It was noticeable that he was saying exactly the same thing, in exactly the same angry voice and with the same angry expressions, at every different interview. Kind of hard to stay genuinely angry for that long and not mellow or escalate. Looks like false anger acting to me.

[GloryGlory]

It was noticeable that he was saying exactly the same thing, in exactly the same angry voice and with the same angry expressions, at every different interview. Kind of hard to stay genuinely angry for that long and not mellow or escalate. Looks like false anger acting to me.

Acting like a typically entitled, crazed, irrational The Rangers fan, not a professional head coach. Just a wee Glesga keelie.

[theonlywayisup]

I remember the 4-0 game at Easter Road he came on at half time and should have been sent off about 3 times within 5 minutes.

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Mentioning that game, I thought it would be good to relive one of my favourite games against The Rangers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N2Gfhgv7RA

[tamig]

Mentioning that game, I thought it would be good to relive one of my favourite games against The Rangers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N2Gfhgv7RA

Happy days. Liam Craig, Scott Allan and Scott Robertson worked brilliantly together in that game. Robertson and Craig’s goals were top drawer.

[Lendo]

Happy days. Liam Craig, Scott Allan and Scott Robertson worked brilliantly together in that game. Robertson and Craig’s goals were top drawer.

I had forgotten entirely about Scott Roberton’s time at Hibs.

[Iain G]

Was it buy one get three free?

It wouldn't surprise me if they were all paying Sevco to work there, re-laundring all that EBT proddy pound back through the club 😁

[Fifeshirehibs]

Wee mcCanns presser interview this week is comedy gold. Chocolate Fireplaces move off bottom spot in The Useful League Table when wee Kneel gets a coaching gig .

[cabbageandribs1875]

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