Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

CWG - really sorry just heading out the door, but that paragraph says:-

"The £2.95m, instead of being held to the order of the Trustees pending completion of the loan documentation, had been paid over by Rangers/Whytes solicitors Collyer Bristow to the club before it collapsed into administration in February 2012. The money is now frozen and the subject of litigation with the old clubs liquidators and could go to pay creditors rather than pensions"

Cheers

Heading out the door? FGS man, where's your sense of commitment?

Cheers, though, I didn't know that. BDO are on the case. That's a good sign :aok:

Actually, it's another comment on the MSM when Private Eye are doing a better job.:rolleyes:

[Caversham Green]

Now that bit gets me.

Offhand, do you know if the pension fund was one of the creditors in the RFC administration?

the Jerome pension fund thing definitely cropped up during the administration, but they're not in the list of creditors as far as I can see. I have a feeling they were claiming prior rights to the money held by Collyer Bristow.

[green glory]

@corsica1968: Penny dropped according to my blue knight; accepted CW has true claim on assets. Murray & Mather desperately searching for £30m cash!

Can't vouch for this, but I've been following this guy on Twitter for a while and he's been good value.

[sidneyhibbie]

@corsica1968: Penny dropped according to my blue knight; accepted CW has true claim on assets. Murray & Mather desperately searching for £30m cash!

Can't vouch for this, but I've been following this guy on Twitter for a while and he's been good value.

Id love it if CW Gets them back the ORCs would go mental

[green glory]

Id love it if CW Gets them back the ORCs would go mental

CW will need 17 mil to pay Ticketus after losing his court case. Either he hands the assets over to them, and i'd reckon they're only interested in cold currency,or he sells the lot to the highest bidder.

I can almost hear the JCB's starting up.

[CropleyWasGod]

Id love it if CW Gets them back the ORCs would go mental

Sorry, I wouldn't.

I would much prefer the creditors of OldHun to get them back.

[Bostonhibby]

sadly not yet, the website still has previous issue up (think its in the shops tomorrow so check back then). Go to http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=in_the_back&
although not sure if the whole issue is available to non subscribers. If I've got time will type whole thing out tomorrow. Or its £1.50 in the shop. The one with the UKIP clowns on the cover.

briefly, The Worthington Group that has appeared on the scene recently had acquired a company called Jerome which had a pension fund with £8m cash but £11m pension liabilities. Whyte was a shareholder in the Worthington Group, along with the Earlay character. £2.95m was transferred via Collier Bristow to the club prior to Februarys adminisration event from this pension fund.

There's more detail in the article. Sounds all very complex to tie 2 threads together.

The Eye coverd the pension fund "robbery" (which I think was a shoe manufacturing companies fund) and other CW related activity in quite a few prior editions and has done more than one article on the Team formerly known as Rangers under their planet football column, as usual with the Eye its pretty accurate sounding stuff - they certainly haven't been sued by anyone!.

[Hibs Class]

Interesting article here, on a supposedly leaked doc on a hun blueprint - the link below is to a BBC article which includes a further link to the blueprint itself. Apart from being quite delusional about its vision (major euro trophy by 2020) and type of director of football it could attract, the main theme seems to be that fat ally is not up to it, and they will achieve their successive promotions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22402871

[Treadstone]

Interesting article here, on a supposedly leaked doc on a hun blueprint - the link below is to a BBC article which includes a further link to the blueprint itself. Apart from being quite delusional about its vision (major euro trophy by 2020) and type of director of football it could attract, the main theme seems to be that fat ally is not up to it, and they will achieve their successive promotions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22402871

I have just read this and its comedy gold I tells ya. I take it this is the reason Sevco banned the BBC. They haven't denied it though. This looks like something that the makers of 'Football Manager' would write. Especially loved the part where Sevco would give players financial advice.

[Caversham Green]

I have just read this and its comedy gold I tells ya. I take it this is the reason Sevco banned the BBC. They haven't denied it though. This looks like something that the makers of 'Football Manager' would write. Especially loved the part where Sevco would give players financial advice.

"Just tell the taxman it's a loan."

[greenlex]

Ive read it and to be honest I see nothing wrong with it at all. Delusional maybe but nothing wrong with setting the bar high. I wish Hibs would follow this role model. The only thing that holds us back us is the amount of fans we get through the gate.

[lucky]

Just read it as well, got to say this is the way Hibs should be run. Obviously on a smaller scale and without targets of European finals and big name Director of Football.

[PatHead]

I was driving along the bypass yesterday afternoon and saw a number of cars with The Rangers scarfs hanging out car windows. Couldn't help but s****** at how excited they obviously were at winning a league in which they had a budget bigger than all the other teams added together.

[Eyrie]

I was driving along the bypass yesterday afternoon and saw a number of cars with The Rangers scarfs hanging out car windows. Couldn't help but s****** at how excited they obviously were at winning a league in which they had a budget bigger than all the other teams added together.
Wouldn't surprise me if there are individual Sevco Huns players whose annual wages are bigger than any other Third Division club's budget.

And talking of overpaid crap, here's the never-charming, ever-hypocritical Ian Black as quoted in the BBC Scottish Gossip column (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22418256).


Black, now at Third Division winners Rangers, says he will not miss some of the heavy tackles he received in the bottom tier. (Sunday Mail)

[green glory]

If the share money has gone. If the stadium and training ground aren't owned by the club. If the share issue was for the wrong company, and if the following is true, then the end is nigh.

This close season we will probably be saying goodbye to a 'Rangers' in any form.

The authorities are probably now aware they are beyond assistance, and the rest of Scottish football without the Rangers albatross round it's neck can begin to rebuild.



@Pmacgiollabhain: Two SFL1 clubs have confirmed to me that Stewart Regan contacted them to seek assurances that Sevco would not receive an invite to "SPL2".

@Pmacgiollabhain: To various: Regan was gratified to learn from the 2 SFL1 clubs that there were no plans to invite Sevco to New second tier.
#NoToToxicSevco

@Pmacgiollabhain: @Sir_Barold_QC It is. PerhapsBEn Transparency now knows just how toxic Sevco actually are and that will become public very soon.

@Pmacgiollabhain: @gelvis1983 European money is still off limits and SPL2 cash is also not available. They also have no credit line from a bank.

[shezer]

If the share money has gone. If the stadium and training ground aren't owned by the club. If the share issue was for the wrong company, and if the following is true, then the end is nigh.

This close season we will probably be saying goodbye to a 'Rangers' in any form.

The authorities are probably now aware they are beyond assistance, and the rest of Scottish football without the Rangers albatross round it's neck can begin to rebuild.



@Pmacgiollabhain: Two SFL1 clubs have confirmed to me that Stewart Regan contacted them to seek assurances that Sevco would not receive an invite to "SPL2".

@Pmacgiollabhain: To various: Regan was gratified to learn from the 2 SFL1 clubs that there were no plans to invite Sevco to New second tier.
#NoToToxicSevco

@Pmacgiollabhain: @Sir_Barold_QC It is. PerhapsBEn Transparency now knows just how toxic Sevco actually are and that will become public very soon.

@Pmacgiollabhain: @gelvis1983 European money is still off limits and SPL2 cash is also not available. They also have no credit line from a bank.

:thumbsup: Get in there

[Phil MaGlass]

hahaha.... just noticed this thread page is 765 is this a countdown to the yamboloids and Hun demise?????:thumbsup:

[LeighLoyal]

Intersting news on Sevco http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22432251


Looks like they now know Craigie is Sevco and they're divesting themselves of all Green links, as if that will stop Whyte taking back the assets and unravelling their IPO.

[SurferRosa]

Intersting news on Sevco http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22432251


Looks like they now know Craigie is Sevco and they're divesting themselves of all Green links, as if that will stop Whyte taking back the assets and unravelling their IPO.


They do seem to be trying to cut every possible link to Green ( and subsequently to Craigie ) as possible.

[green glory]

@jamesdoleman: RFC share price page appears to be offline. http://t.co/iyjBZ0GZZZ

[Just Alf]

@jamesdoleman: RFC share price page appears to be offline. http://t.co/iyjBZ0GZZZ

I DO like their share chart though!..... surely they've got it in upside down?

:confused:

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShareChart.asp?sharechart=RFC

[Keith_M]

I DO like their share chart though!..... surely they've got it in upside down?

:confused:

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShareChart.asp?sharechart=RFC


40% drop in share value since the flotation.

[down-the-slope]

40% drop in share value since the flotation.

I have a hunch that a good number of investors were sold shares on the basis of hopping up the leagues quicker by some back door invite / reconstruction...now the penny's dropped that it will be at least 3 years even if they manage to win leagues there is no fast buck...

[Seveno]

I'm sure that I have seen that share chart before. :confused:

Oh no, that was one on the Vilnius exchange. :agree:

[Spike Mandela]

This look intersesting........... The alleged Letter before Claim sent in Dec

http://www.scribd.com/doc/141684147/RFC-Letter-Before-Claim

[ancient hibee]

If even a small amount of this is true the SFA will have to suspend Rangers license.

[green glory]

This look intersesting........... The alleged Letter before Claim sent in Dec

http://www.scribd.com/doc/141684147/RFC-Letter-Before-Claim

Sevco are ****ed.

[DaveF]

Sevco are ****ed.

I didn't understand the half of it, but even then it would seem pretty damning if that letter is genuine.

[johnbc70]

I didn't understand the half of it, but even then it would seem pretty damning if that letter is genuine.

Likewise, sure someone who knows will have a read and let us know the jist of it. One thing that stood out for me was on page 2 and fact number 3 - would a legal letter like this read "Imran Ahmad reported that his boss at Zeus Capital....." Using the term 'his boss' seems a bit too informal?

[jabis]

Likewise, sure someone who knows will have a read and let us know the jist of it. One thing that stood out for me was on page 2 and fact number 3 - would a legal letter like this read "Imran Ahmad reported that his boss at Zeus Capital....." Using the term 'his boss' seems a bit too informal?

CW most likely has the conversation taped ,on a teensie weensie ,James Bond type micro recorder.:aok:


vlad has a fax :rolleyes:

[Part/Time Supporter]

This email from Craigy boy is a hoot. Some of the wage figures are shocking. No wonder they went bust.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/141745358/Budgets

[Haymaker]

This email from Craigy boy is a hoot. Some of the wage figures are shocking. No wonder they went bust.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/141745358/Budgets

McCoist on 750k a year?! McCulloch on 19k a week?! Kyle Bartley on 16k a week?!

[DaveF]

This email from Craigy boy is a hoot. Some of the wage figures are shocking. No wonder they went bust.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/141745358/Budgets

Broadfoot. Useless and on 12K a week!

Well done Kirk. I'm ****ing useless but could never command a wage like that, so good on you :greengrin

[YehButNoBut]

Good article today by Graham Spiers on the murky goings on behind the scenes at Rangers

Spiers on Sport: Rangers in the grip of a 'dirty war'

The sordid and tawdry way in which the name of Rangers is being dragged through the mud must repel many of the club's supporters - especially those older generations who remain oblivious to the way modern methods of communication ensure that poison and vitriol are virtually on tap.

Charles Green, a buffoonish Rangers CEO, is gone. So is Imran Ahmad, until recently Green's right-hand man and an Ibrox commercial operative, whose various charm offensives came to disguise what many viewed as an unpleasant character.

Malcolm Murray, the Rangers chairman, is fighting for his political life at Ibrox, as one Rangers source put it yesterday, and will also soon be out the door.

Yet with these three figures going - or gone - there is no peace at Ibrox. On the contrary there is poison, enmity, muck-raking and much else. And all of it - in this age of high-visibility messaging - littered upon our Scottish newspaper front pages or spattered across our computer screens.

The latest piece of classless garbage to emerge from this Rangers saga is video footage of a drunken Malcolm Murray being helped out of a restaurant, clearly the worse for wear. The film is supposed to embarrass Murray, which no doubt it does, but much more does it blacken and discredit those bitter figures with connections to the Rangers boardroom who produced this ludicrous footage and put it out there in the first place.

Murray, an erratic figure, long ago lost the confidence of most other members on the Rangers board. He is finished. But what cannot appear to be stopped right now is this Ibrox dirty war being played out by an assortment of dubious characters once embraced by the club.

Ahmad, who wrangled with Rangers over his recent departure, has already been implicated in a number of unappealing activities, including the verbal bullying of Murray, much of it aimed at blackening people's names. What a piece of work he appears to be.

Fingers are also now being pointed at finance director Brian Stockbridge, who arrived with Green and Ahmad at Rangers, and who is getting dragged into this grimy pageant. Meanwhile, those figures who do undeniably represent decency at Ibrox, such as Ian Hart and Walter Smith, are disgusted and thoroughly sickened by everything.

What has caused this Rangers sickness? Why does the club appear so vulnerable to such undignified behaviour? There is little to be gained from going right back to the start of this, except to repeat again: those who were charged with upholding the original Rangers Football Club grievously failed in their duty. Their dereliction towards the former club remains shocking, and it has triggered mayhem.

In the here and now, some have debated whether the new structure of Rangers, with its uncontrollable assortment of minority shareholders and institutional investors, has lent itself to this disharmony. The argument being - and all irony cannot be lost here - that a majority shareholder means a firmer hand and less instability.

There may be some merit in this. But what is closer to the truth is that Rangers are being undone again, not by any ownership model, but by poisonous clashes of personality at the top of the club. This is a dirty war that is wrecking Rangers anew and causing severe embarrassment. The club awaits the findings of its own commissioned investigation by Deloitte and Pinsent Masons into dealings between Green and former owner Craig Whyte.

The SFA is also considering its position on Rangers, given that last year it sought and received legal guarantees from the club about Whyte's non-involvement with Green. It is worth saying that Green might yet be cleared on that score. With all this going on, one of the keys to Rangers' stability lies with Ian Hart and Walter Smith. The question is, how much more of this trash surrounding the club will either man take?

There are three separate investigations on-going around the calamity which befell Rangers. It's just a pity there is also not an agency somewhere with sufficient power and moral influence to be able to say to these Ibrox principals: Behave yourself. Show some dignity. Have some class. Stop acting like spivs.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/opinion/spiers-on-sport-rangers-in-the-grip-of-a-dirty-war.1369148379

[Just Alf]

I especially liked this bit

"Their dereliction towards the former club"

[CropleyWasGod]

Duff & Phelps cleared by the IPA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22637969

[Spike Mandela]

Duff & Phelps cleared by the IPA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22637969

The establishment whitewash continues do you mean.:rolleyes:

[Onion]

Duff & Phelps cleared by the IPA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22637969

White wash. They know that had they concluded D&P were conflicted, it would have made everything connected to the Admin (sale of assets. sale of brand etc) a sham and open to challenge by HMRC, small creditors and BDO. There had to be just one outcome from this "investigation" and there we have it. More interested in seeing how BDO get on.

[LeighLoyal]

No surprise, and equally guaranteed the so called 'investigation' by Sevco into Green's links with Whyte will report back with a blank sheet, allowing the sfa the excuse to let them off again. Scotland, best wee country in the world.

[Keith_M]

In today's least surprising news, the The Rangers investigaion into itself found itself totally innocent of all charges



Story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22658309)




Shockerooni!

[Keith_M]

Dear Admins, why have you buried my thread in here?


:confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

Dear Admins, why have you buried my thread in here?


:confused:

It's hardly news FGS :greengrin

[Keith_M]

It's hardly news FGS :greengrin

Fair enough

[green glory]

Zombie debenture holders are now being told the seats they paid for 'for life' won't be honoured next season.

Smell the coffee Huns.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=253263&st=0

[Prof. Shaggy]

Zombie debenture holders are now being told the seats they paid for 'for life' won't be honoured next season.

Smell the coffee Huns.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=253263&st=0


"I'm a bond holder and I received an email from the club telling me.....and to my utter disgust the plonker I was dealing with from customer services had the cheek to tell me I bought the seat from the old co**and the newco wasn't honouring the deal..."

Have to say I love this bit.

[Malthibby]

That has cheered me up no end. Are they ditching their 'history' along with their debenture holders?
GG

[Keith_M]

"I'm a bond holder and I received an email from the club telling me.....and to my utter disgust the plonker I was dealing with from customer services had the cheek to tell me I bought the seat from the old co**and the newco wasn't honouring the deal..."

Have to say I love this bit.



So, the club now admit they're a NewCo? Dontcha just love it!



Oh and can I say thanks for ressurecting this thread, I was really missing it :greengrin

[StevieC]

Zombie debenture holders are now being told the seats they paid for 'for life' won't be honoured next season.

Smell the coffee Huns.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=253263&st=0

I suspect that the worry on The Rangers part is that bond holders have the ability to "skip" a season and still keep their seat. This could mean a lot of supporters that were hacked off with the poor performances in the 3rd might be tempted to skip the 2nd and renew for the 1st/SPL2 (especially as games were not "selling out").
This could be a financial disaster for The Rangers, who I suspect are on the brink of another administration, so by cancelling the Bonds they are forcing supporters to renew .. or lose their "seats for life".

Whatever the reason though ........

....... it's ****ing hilarious. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

"I'm a bond holder and I received an email from the club telling me.....and to my utter disgust the plonker I was dealing with from customer services had the cheek to tell me I bought the seat from the old co**and the newco wasn't honouring the deal..."

Have to say I love this bit.

Stuffing their own fans now, as well as HMRC and their suppliers? I presume the debenture holders will now be due something in the pound?
I wonder if the money debenture holders put in, was greater than Mr Green paid for the ground?

[Hibs Class]

Zombie debenture holders are now being told the seats they paid for 'for life' won't be honoured next season.

Smell the coffee Huns.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=253263&st=0


As far as their ranking for repayment is concerned this sounds right, but it does underline they are a newco and, as one Hun inferred in his post, their history also died with them.

[Prof. Shaggy]

And as for this...

"Sort it out Rangers, we are NOT a newco."

I think you'll find...:agree:

[green glory]

And there's more good news for the slavering hordes;


@alextomo: RFC have been sent Letter Before Claim - am told it's accompanied by more than 330 pages of evidence....

@alextomo: QCs acting for CW team on no win no fee. Court action "absolutely inevitable" if no settlement am told.

Craig Whyte finally making his move.

[jabis]

£3,629.63 for stationary and postage..................please tell me this was all done just before Christmas :not worth

[LeighLoyal]

And there's more good news for the slavering hordes;


@alextomo: RFC have been sent Letter Before Claim - am told it's accompanied by more than 330 pages of evidence....

@alextomo: QCs acting for CW team on no win no fee. Court action "absolutely inevitable" if no settlement am told.

Craig Whyte finally making his move.



About time. I hope those rats signing for them get burned by another admin and collapse. Superb if so.

[Caversham Green]

Stuffing their own fans now, as well as HMRC and their suppliers? I presume the debenture holders will now be due something in the pound?
I wonder if the money debenture holders put in, was greater than Mr Green paid for the ground?

It was indeed - £7.736m.

[green glory]

New blog from Alex Thomson.

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/craig-whytes-lawyers-send-letter-action/4906

[poolman]

Bloody Hell


http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/rangers-administration-full-list-of-creditors-1-2325870

[HFC 0-7]

Bloody Hell


http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/rangers-administration-full-list-of-creditors-1-2325870

I thought all footballing debts had to be paid as one of the conditions for a licence? Man city and rapid Vienna are on that list.

[hibs0666]

And there's more good news for the slavering hordes;


@alextomo: RFC have been sent Letter Before Claim - am told it's accompanied by more than 330 pages of evidence....

@alextomo: QCs acting for CW team on no win no fee. Court action "absolutely inevitable" if no settlement am told.

Craig Whyte finally making his move.

Seems like Whyte is after £130K - after all his bluster this is small beer.

[CropleyWasGod]

I thought all footballing debts had to be paid as one of the conditions for a licence? Man city and rapid Vienna are on that list.

That list is from May 2012

[Coco Bryce]

Bloody Hell


http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/rangers-administration-full-list-of-creditors-1-2325870


Shred-it Glasgow £444

Would have thought it was way more than that :faf:

[StevieC]

Seems like Whyte is after £130K - after all his bluster this is small beer.

I was under the impression that he was also after The Rangers assets? :confused:

Wasn't he saying that it was he that brokered the deal with Duff and Phelps for the assets and that Charlieboy was just the front?

[CropleyWasGod]

Stuffing their own fans now, as well as HMRC and their suppliers? I presume the debenture holders will now be due something in the pound?
I wonder if the money debenture holders put in, was greater than Mr Green paid for the ground?

Yup. They will join the queue of creditors in the liquidation.

However, that pot is shrinking:-

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/1m-fees-for-liquidation-see-rangers-creditors-pot-slashed.1369813836

The actual report:-

http://www.bdo.uk.com/services/advisory/business-restructuring/rfc-2012-plc-formerly-rangers-football-club-plc-liquidation

[Keith_M]

Yup. They will join the queue of creditors in the liquidation.


As the estimated amount available has been plundered yet again (this time by BDO), they're not going to get many pennies in the pound.

After the latest smash and grab (http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-creditors-face-cut-after-liquidator-claim-1-2947335), we're now down to 1.3 million.... and I don't imagine they've finished yet






EDIT: You beat me to it :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

As the estimated amount available has been plundered yet again (this time by BDO), they're not going to get many pennies in the pound.

After the latest smash and grab (http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-creditors-face-cut-after-liquidator-claim-1-2947335), we're now down to 1.3 million.... and I don't imagine they've finished yet






EDIT: You beat me to it :wink:

That's not what BDO are saying, though. They are saying it's too soon to make an estimate about dividends, as there are a number of legal cases in progress.

My concern, though, is that they will run out of funds before those cases can be concluded.

[Keith_M]

That's not what BDO are saying, though. They are saying it's too soon to make an estimate about dividends, as there are a number of legal cases in progress.

My concern, though, is that they will run out of funds before those cases can be concluded.


Well at 200k per month, they've got about 5 months worth of money still to plunder.

I would like to see them actually do something for that money as I've yet to see any evidence of anything useful they've done so far, except take ridiculously high fees.

[CropleyWasGod]

Well at 200k per month, they've got about 5 months worth of money still to plunder.

I would like to see them actually do something for that money as I've yet to see any evidence of anything useful they've done so far, except take ridiculously high fees.

The legal actions will be progressing and we won't see any evidence of that until or unless they get to Court, or if there are any out-of-Court settlements.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Bloody Hellhttp://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/rangers-administration-full-list-of-creditors-1-2325870

had a double take when I saw the headline...

[The Green Goblin]

Bloody Hell


http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/rangers-administration-full-list-of-creditors-1-2325870

A national disgrace. Shame on them and their "we're still the same club" etc. Their arrogance and lack of remorse for every person on that list affected by their actions. With a bit of luck, huns 2.0 will follow their predecessor down the gary glitter

[green glory]

@STVSport: Walter Smith has been appointed as non-executive chairman of Rangers, replacing Malcolm Murray. More: http://t.co/pShFxq3FJ8

[JeMeSouviens]

@STVSport: Walter Smith has been appointed as non-executive chairman of Rangers, replacing Malcolm Murray. More: http://t.co/pShFxq3FJ8

Season tickets about to go on sale by any chance? :wink:

[WhileTheChief..]

This is the first report to creditors from BDO. Loads of reading for those interested....

http://static.bdo.uk.com/assets/documents/2013/05/RFC_Report_to_Creditors_22_May_2013.pdf

[CropleyWasGod]

This is the first report to creditors from BDO. Loads of reading for those interested....

http://static.bdo.uk.com/assets/documents/2013/05/RFC_Report_to_Creditors_22_May_2013.pdf

Yeah, it came out a couple of weeks back.

In summary, doesn't say much, other than BDO have spent a lot of creditors' money on trying to get a lot more back.

[Ozyhibby]

Season tickets still not on sale at Ibrox. Either there is something very wrong at the new club or they are holding out for an invite to SPL 2.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Season tickets still not on sale at Ibrox. Either there is something very wrong at the new club or they are holding out for an invite to SPL 2.

Erm, they are on sale.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets

[Ozyhibby]

Erm, they are on sale.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets

Ah, ok. Teach me to listen to a complete plonker (my Dad). :-)

[LancashireHibby]

Erm, they are on sale.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets
I really shouldn't have clicked that link. Really wound up now.

[LeighLoyal]

I really shouldn't have clicked that link. Really wound up now.



WE ARE THE PEOPLE emblazoned at the bottom. Sectarian arrogance writ LARGE.

[Killiehibbie]

Erm, they are on sale.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/tickets/season-ticketsYou are the lifeblood of this 141 year old institution.

Will that be the same institution that ceased to exist last year?

[LeighLoyal]

You are the lifeblood of this 141 year old institution.

Will that be the same institution that ceased to exist last year?



McCoist needs a class in UK Insolvency Law. Rangers FC no longer exists.

[Spike Mandela]

If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.:cb

[adhibs]

If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.:cb

not if we keep saying otherwise. can tell it hurts and they know its true as well by how much they bite

[Hibs Class]

McCoist needs a class in UK Insolvency Law. Rangers FC no longer exists.

Quite possibly the first time "McCoist" and "class" have appeared in the same sentence.

[JeMeSouviens]

Plenty of interesting reading here:

http://www.scribd.com/CharlotteFakes/documents

... and listening here

https://soundcloud.com/charlotteandthefakes

[Treadstone]

Email revelations today. Not surprised by a lot of it but very sordid.

https://twitter.com/CharlotteFakes

[The Baldmans Comb]

Anyone who buys the Sun/Record/Scotsman and actually believes the utter spin and complete tosh within these publications needs their heids examined.

The mainstream media in Scotland are a complete sham and disgrace thoughh hopefully wont be mainstream for much longer.

[Makaveli]

Email revelations today. Not surprised by a lot of it but very sordid.

https://twitter.com/CharlotteFakes

Some of the latest stuff is pretty bad even compared to what's come out before.

Interesting audit document (http://www.scribd.com/doc/146968036/Grant-Thornton-Letter-15-Feb-2012) not long out, articles 10 and 12 in particular.

The STV agreement (http://www.scribd.com/doc/146953082/Rangers-and-STV-Memorandum-of-Understanding-Draft-16-January-2012) quite simply shows our media up for what it is.


Also amusing to see Whyte's lawyer (http://www.scribd.com/doc/146878348/Timesheet-CW) invoicing him 30 minutes for "Deflection of BBC Scotland’s Chick Young."

As for old Craigieboy, you ken you're dealing with a classy guy when his email address ends in .biz :cb

[LeighLoyal]

Not sure what all these releases mean, just want to hear his letter before claim is going to court. He's backed by no win no fee representation so Sevco will have a massive legal bill at the very least. :greengrin

[Makaveli]

"Word reaches me in Japan of arrest warrant issued for Craig Whyte." — Alex Thomson, 2 minutes ago.

I totally missed that earlier in the day.

[CropleyWasGod]

"Word reaches me in Japan of arrest warrant issued for Craig Whyte." — Alex Thomson, 2 minutes ago.

I totally missed that earlier in the day.

Not Rangers-related.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22845906

[Part/Time Supporter]

Not Rangers-related.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22845906

He should hide out with Mr Romanov and Chechen friends in Moscow.

:agree:

[Makaveli]

Not Rangers-related.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22845906

Aye, I think that's why I'd not seen it. Just seems fitting what with the stuff coming out today. Certainly not doing himself any favours.

And the court case was about folk stealing from his castle. You couldn't make it up!

[Treadstone]

Brilliant . Craig Whyte talking to the administrators.

Kyle Bartley caught herpes in Glasgow. 2:30 in.

https://soundcloud.com/charlotteandthefakes/davidwhitehouse6june2012part07

[green glory]

Brilliant . Craig Whyte talking to the administrators.

Kyle Bartley caught herpes in Glasgow. 2:30 in.

https://soundcloud.com/charlotteandthefakes/davidwhitehouse6june2012part07

Some of these recordings are dynamite.

[Makaveli]

Some of these recordings are dynamite.

Hun Class line when they're talking about big Imran: "well, at least he's not a Catholic."

[Makaveli]

Pretty mundane stuff in today's new leaks, but everyone involved continues to show themselves up for what they are.


From: Jack Irvine <[email protected]>
To: Craig Whyte <[email protected]>

Were you statesmanlike on Rangers TV re sectarianism or did you go for the FTP line as outlined at our boozy dinner in Mayfair?
Jack

===

From: Craig Whyte <[email protected]>
To: Jack Irvine <[email protected]>

Lol!! I thought I'd better behave and be statesmanlike!

[Alex Trager]

Right can anyone on here tell me why a rangers supporting friend of mines claims they are still the same club? What are the facts of the whole situation

[ScottB]

Right can anyone on here tell me why a rangers supporting friend of mines claims they are still the same club? What are the facts of the whole situation

They have a rather delusional fantasy that the the football club and the plc were separate things, so it was just the company that was liquidated, the club moved to a new company.

It's nonsense clearly, UEFA views them as a brand new team, the SFA view them as a brand new team, it's only themselves and elements of the media keen to keep them buying papers that go along with the nonsense.

[overdrive]

They have a rather delusional fantasy that the the football club and the plc were separate things, so it was just the company that was liquidated, the club moved to a new company.

It's nonsense clearly, UEFA views them as a brand new team, the SFA view them as a brand new team, it's only themselves and elements of the media keen to keep them buying papers that go along with the nonsense.


A few huns I know claim UEFA view them as the same club as the old one. They say there is something on the UEFA website saying they are.

[Hibs Class]

A few huns I know claim UEFA view them as the same club as the old one. They say there is something on the UEFA website saying they are.

I know a couple of Huns who still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. They are equally wrong.

[Alex Trager]

A few huns I know claim UEFA view them as the same club as the old one. They say there is something on the UEFA website saying they are.

See this is what I keep being told. One said yesterday that no liquidation occurred. I am also always told that all governing bodies see them as the same club.

[green glory]

See this is what I keep being told. One said yesterday that no liquidation occurred. I am also always told that all governing bodies see them as the same club.

Sevconians have their own reality. As do the Yams.

[Saorsa]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-to-field-trialists-in-new-league-body-1-2967513

and the point of the transfer embargo?

[Jack Hackett]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-to-field-trialists-in-new-league-body-1-2967513

and the point of the transfer embargo?

The point of the transfer embargo is to give sevco the opportunity to walk all over the administrators of the game and show them up for the useless bunch of bankers that they are

[Lucius Apuleius]

They are the same club in the supporter's minds and hearts. What the law says is irrelevant. We all know that legally they are different. They see it as supporting the same team playing in the same stadium. We would say the same.

[Saorsa]

The point of the transfer embargo is to give sevco the opportunity to walk all over the administrators of the game and show them up for the useless bunch of bankers that they areAye lets reconstruct the leagues and while we're at it we can make up a few rules tae help the stickies get round the ban we placed on them, job done.

[Tyler Durden]

The STV sports news last night said that a number of clubs voted for the rule change. So possibly this rule actually benefits the other lower league teams who'd also like to field trialists rather than just bending the rules for the Huns. For once.

Their original signing ban clearly should've been more clearly defined of course, it's been a joke of a "punishment" from day 1.

[Saorsa]

The STV sports news last night said that a number of clubs voted for the rule change. So possibly this rule actually benefits the other lower league teams who'd also like to field trialists rather than just bending the rules for the Huns. For once.

Their original signing ban clearly should've been more clearly defined of course, it's been a joke of a "punishment" from day 1.Odd they never felt the need for this rule before, I wonder who came up with the idea :rolleyes: I wonder what the sweeteners were?

aye particulary because day 1 was efter the end of the 1st transfer windae which allowed them tae sign all the players they needed tae win that league at the 1st time of asking.


McCoist, in mid-March, was resigned to being bottom of the Second Division by the end of August because he believed that he would be prevented from fielding his new signings in the opening fixtures.

When has a manager said before that he might have to put out a team that might lose their first four games of the season?” he asked. "That's the situation and it's madness.Well it was supposed tae be a punishment ya ****in' tool.


Now they've got rules tae get round it before it ends, ****in' joke, only in this ****in' country. :rolleyes:

[Treadstone]

aye particulary because day 1 was efter the end of the 1st transfer windae which allowed them tae sign all the players they needed tae win that league at the 1st time of asking. Now they've got rules tae get round it before it ends, ****in' joke, only in this ****in' country. :rolleyes:

To be honest I didn't expect anything else.

[joe breezy]

Advertising Standards Authority recently ruled they are the same club

http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2013/6/The-Rangers-Football-Club-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_224406.aspx

[AndyM_1875]

Lots of lower league clubs use trialists pretty extensively in the early season so this ruling was never about McCoist & co. However if he genuinely said he would lose games because of it then that's ludicrous. He has a full time squad who benefit from the best training facilities around and he's up against teams who train twice a week at night. The only real threat in that league will be Dunfermline whose squad are mainly kids.
McCoist is an absolute bluffer.

[ballengeich]

The rule about allowing trialists to play in league games isn't for the benefit of Sevco. It's an existing SFL rule which the smaller clubs in the lower divisions have asked to be transferred into the new SPFL.

The part time clubs work with small squads - they can't afford to have many people not in the 16 fielded in a game - so are vulnerable to finding themselves short of players due to injury or suspension. Trialists can be used as a form of short term contract. They also like to get a look at a potential new recruit in a match rather than just in a couple of evening training sessions.

The situation now is exactly what it would have been if the reconstruction hadn't gone ahead. In SFL division 2 clubs always could field a limited number of trialists so the rule isn't there to help one particular club.

[Saorsa]

Whether the rule existed in the old league or not they are supposedly under a 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' they shouldnae be allowed tae use this rule tae get round that. They are hardly a small struggling lower division outfit with the players they have now that they signed before the farce of a 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' started in the 1st place. Does anybody (other than fat sally of course) really believe they will struggle for a few weeks in the 2nd division with the players they have now. It's still a ****in' joke that the 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' started efter the transfer windae shut. What a punishment that has turned out tae be, that'll ****in' teach them. :rolleyes:

[AndyM_1875]

Whether the rule existed in the old league or not they are supposedly under a 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' they shouldnae be allowed tae use this rule tae get round that. They are hardly a small struggling lower division outfit with the players they have now that they signed before the farce of a 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' started in the 1st place. Does anybody (other than fat sally of course) really believe they will struggle for a few weeks in the 2nd division with the players they have now. It's still a ****in' joke that the 'transfer embargo :hilarious ' started efter the transfer windae shut. What a punishment that has turned out tae be, that'll ****in' teach them. :rolleyes:

Dan, it doesn't really matter re the Trialists. Rangers are being treated exactly as Montrose or Albion Rovers would have been. You can't change things to make things more difficult just because its Rangers.

As I said earlier, they won't struggle and McCoist is an absolute bluffer.
I really don't care about them. I'm just enjoying the fresh air of the SPL without them until summer 2015.

[Saorsa]

Dan, it doesn't really matter re the Trialists. Rangers are being treated exactly as Montrose or Albion Rovers would have been. You can't change things to make things more difficult just because its Rangers.

As I said earlier, they won't struggle and McCoist is an absolute bluffer.
I really don't care about them. I'm just enjoying the fresh air of the SPL without them until summer 2015.They were very keen tae change things bending, rewriting and inventing new rules tae allow the stickies tae play in tae the 3rd division in the 1st place, funny it cannae work the other way. If that rule is tae be carried in tae the new set up and a new setup can have new rules it could include a clause the would prevent teams under embargo form using it as a loophole tae get round the ban. Of course that'll never happen.

Total farce

Allowed tae sign players before the transfer windae closes and the ban comes in tae force.
And now allowed tae use players they intend tae sign as trialists before they're allowed tae actually register them.

****in' joke. transfer embargo :hilarious

[Eyrie]

Any signing ban should also extend to playing trialists in competitive games or else there is a massive loophole that makes a ban pointless.

This is about setting the correct precedent and not about Sevco Huns. For example the Yams could use this to field a series of trialists next season.

[LeighLoyal]

They were very keen tae change things bending, rewriting and inventing new rules tae allow the stickies tae play in tae the 3rd division in the 1st place, funny it cannae work the other way. If that rule is tae be carried in tae the new set up and a new setup can have new rules it could include a clause the would prevent teams under embargo form using it as a loophole tae get round the ban. Of course that'll never happen.

Total farce

Allowed tae sign players before the transfer windae closes and the ban comes in tae force.
And now allowed tae use players they intend tae sign as trialists before they're allowed tae actually register them.

****in' joke. transfer embargo :hilarious



We know that one the 'peepul' McCoist demanded to know names of deciding this 'ban' was a Rangers season book holder in true Andy Davis style.

The whole Sevco/T'Rangers farce has been an exercise in intimidation, corruption and shameless cowardice that goes right to the heart of the games administration. Essentially Scottish football's credibility and reputation, including Scotland as a whole, has been sacrificed on the alter of Sevco Rangers and their horde. They are a new club and company with no corporate history, that's what Insolvency Law says. 141 old years my arse.

[AndyM_1875]

They were very keen tae change things bending, rewriting and inventing new rules tae allow the stickies tae play in tae the 3rd division in the 1st place, funny it cannae work the other way. If that rule is tae be carried in tae the new set up and a new setup can have new rules it could include a clause the would prevent teams under embargo form using it as a loophole tae get round the ban. Of course that'll never happen.

Total farce

Allowed tae sign players before the transfer windae closes and the ban comes in tae force.
And now allowed tae use players they intend tae sign as trialists before they're allowed tae actually register them.

****in' joke. transfer embargo :hilarious

Perhaps but where else were they going to go? Like a dose of herpes, Rangers were never going to go away in one foul form or another. .Clubs in our league and Neil Doncaster were hoping they were going to be dumped in division 1 only the SFL wouldn't play ball.

[Deansy]

Dan, it doesn't really matter re the Trialists. Rangers are being treated exactly as Montrose or Albion Rovers would have been. You can't change things to make things more difficult just because its Rangers.

As I said earlier, they won't struggle and McCoist is an absolute bluffer.
I really don't care about them. I'm just enjoying the fresh air of the SPL without them until summer 2015.

I honestly feel that if/when they do get back to whatever our top-league is called by then - THAT'S when 'Armageddon' might take place !!. Fans are enjoying it just now, it might not have improved or got any cheaper but it's just so much nicer and safer without 'Them' - the league has a sort of 'Clean' feeling about it, less filth or morons with a '17th-century mind-set' and songs (well, apart from their traditional 'Business-Partners' !!) - all-round just a better atmosphere. Can you imagine taking your family, kids to a game involving a set of supporters with the world's biggest 'Chip on it's shoulders' and whose websites are full of 'We will have our revenge when we get back' ??

[marinello59]

Allowing lower league clubs to field trialists is sensible and the right thing to do. We can't have res changed just because we think Sevco are getting some sort of advantage. If you look at the restrictions placed in the use of trialists then they are not really gaining much. If the other clubs in their lowly division are happy with that, and it seems they are, then what's the problem?

[Makaveli]

Allowing lower league clubs to field trialists is sensible and the right thing to do. We can't have res changed just because we think Sevco are getting some sort of advantage. If you look at the restrictions placed in the use of trialists then they are not really gaining much. If the other clubs in their lowly division are happy with that, and it seems they are, then what's the problem?

But if a player is already signed to register with the Huns on September 1st, how can he be deemed to be on trial?

It's an abuse of the rules IMO.

[Jack Hackett]

I honestly feel that if/when they do get back to whatever our top-league is called by then - THAT'S when 'Armageddon' might take place !!. Fans are enjoying it just now, it might not have improved or got any cheaper but it's just so much nicer and safer without 'Them' - the league has a sort of 'Clean' feeling about it, less filth or morons with a '17th-century mind-set' and songs (well, apart from their traditional 'Business-Partners' !!) - all-round just a better atmosphere. Can you imagine taking your family, kids to a game involving a set of supporters with the world's biggest 'Chip on it's shoulders' and whose websites are full of 'We will have our revenge when we get back' ??

I'm intrigued as to how this proposed 'revenge' will manifest itself, as any form of boycott will be largely ineffectual. Most clubs have adapted to life without sevco quite comfortably, and their absence at future away games will be welcomed by decent fans countrywide

[marinello59]

But if a player is already signed to register with the Huns on September 1st, how can he be deemed to be on trial?

It's an abuse of the rules IMO.

So should we totally redefine what a traillist is, possibly to the detriment of other clubs and at some expense, just to further punish Rangers? They are acting within the rules of the league they are in and the the other clubs seem fine with it . As it doesn't affect us why should we be getting so uptight about it other than to satisfy the desire to keep kicking Sevco?

[blackpoolhibs]

Allowing lower league clubs to field trialists is sensible and the right thing to do. We can't have res changed just because we think Sevco are getting some sort of advantage. If you look at the restrictions placed in the use of trialists then they are not really gaining much. If the other clubs in their lowly division are happy with that, and it seems they are, then what's the problem?

Lower league clubs have used the trialist method for years, i'm just happy to see sevco using this rule as you cant play trialists in the SPL. :thumbsup:

[Makaveli]

So should we totally redefine what a traillist is, possibly to the detriment of other clubs and at some expense, just to further punish Rangers? They are acting within the rules of the league they are in and the the other clubs seem fine with it . As it doesn't affect us why should we be getting so uptight about it other than to satisfy the desire to keep kicking Sevco?

Nicky Clark and the like are contracted Huns-in-waiting, not genuine trialists. That's the point here — nothing to do with a desire to kick them when they're down.

I don't get your point about hurting other clubs since addressing this loophole would only impact those under registration embargoes (ie those deemed worthy of punishment).

[marinello59]

Nicky Clark and the like are contracted Huns-in-waiting, not genuine trialists. That's the point here — nothing to do with a desire to kick them when they're down.

I don't get your point about hurting other clubs since addressing this loophole would only impact those under registration embargoes (ie those deemed worthy of punishment).

According to the rules they are trialists, whether we like it or not. Changing the rules just to stop Sevco playing them would simply be vindictive. Have the other clubs in their division cried foul?

[Makaveli]

According to the rules they are trialists, whether we like it or not. Changing the rules just to stop Sevco playing them would simply be vindictive. Have the other clubs in their division cried foul?

The other teams need the cash the hordes will bring. Kicking up a fuss could lead to boycotts etc.

[Saorsa]

According to the rules they are trialists, whether we like it or not. Changing the rules just to stop Sevco playing them would simply be vindictive. Have the other clubs in their division cried foul?Then the rules should be changed and at the set up of a new organisation is the perfect time. What is the point of a transfer embargo when there are rules that allow you tae get round it? The transfer embargo against them was already a ridiculous farce in that it was imposed after the transfer windae shut and they'd been allowed tae sign all the players they needed. What the **** was the point of that other than tae let them off the hook? It was supposed tae be a punishment, instead it's turned in tae a ****in' joke. If the yams end up in the 3rd division will they be allowed tae use trialists tae subvert any embargo placed against them? What a load of ***** and time it was changed. If they cannae get out the division with the players they have then they stay there for another season, that's the punishment bit surely?

[Part/Time Supporter]

A few huns I know claim UEFA view them as the same club as the old one. They say there is something on the UEFA website saying they are.

There isn't.

The only confirmation you would ever get from UEFA that they are the same club or not is if they qualify to play in Europe within 5 years of them last playing Europe (ie they play in Europe in 2016/17 or earlier). Because that would show whether or not they are allocated the club coefficient points gained by the oldco in the seasons before they went bust.

[Skol]

if Rangers had any integrity they wouldnt even consider playing then as trial......wait, what am I saying....

[Eyrie]

According to the rules they are trialists, whether we like it or not. Changing the rules just to stop Sevco playing them would simply be vindictive. Have the other clubs in their division cried foul?

Then make the signing ban apply to trialists as well - it won't affect the vast majority of teams because they're well enough run not to get a ban in the first place.

[green glory]

Finally some sanity from the MSM. Britney gets there in the end.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/football/spiers-on-sport-rangers-new-club-or-old-and-the-bbc.1371631860?_=611c3b4d6ea88f2a4b922d982b4acd2c1 7f7d8be

[21.05.2016]

The yam meltdown thread is catching up on this one :greengrin

[hfc rd]

The yam meltdown thread is catching up on this one :greengrin




25 pages away :wink:

[LeighLoyal]

Just waiting patiently for Whyte to take the tribute act to court and get his money. There will be blood, and it'll be hun and not fenian!

[Jack Hackett]

The yam meltdown thread is catching up on this one :greengrin

Views have outstripped this thread by over half a million

[WestEndHibee]

Views have outstripped this thread by over half a million

Probably thanks to our yam guests, keeps the advertisement funds rolling in. The Huns just aren't as generous in the slightest.

[Jack Hackett]

Probably thanks to our yam guests, keeps the advertisement funds rolling in. The Huns just aren't as generous in the slightest.

Yep! 400,000 yams would make a difference :greengrin

[Mon Dieu4]

Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

[Part/Time Supporter]

Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

And unveiling their new team bus. Registration number: R1 WTP.

Stay classy, Sevco.


Probably thanks to our yam guests, keeps the advertisement funds rolling in. The Huns just aren't as generous in the slightest.

They're too busy reading and posting undercover on the Celtic sites.

[Spike Mandela]

Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

The SFA will be high fiveing and back slapping each other this morning on the success of their policy of issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments' during the whole Rangers/Sevco saga.

[Part/Time Supporter]

The SFA will be high fiveing and back slapping each other this morning on the success of their policy of issuing 'punishments that aren't punishments' during the whole Rangers/Sevco saga.

If I had told you a few years ago that Rangers would now be parading journeymen pros signed from assorted SPL clubs as their big summer signings, I don't think you would have believed me. Three years ago they were signing Jelavic for £4M. Even two years ago, just before the crash, they were signing regular US and Romania internationals (Bocanegra and Goian).

[ian cruise]

Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

And Puma have made them a special slopey top like the did for us to help rangers celebrate their decent to the lower divisions.

[Saorsa]

If I had told you a few years ago that Rangers would now be parading journeymen pros signed from assorted SPL clubs as their big summer signings, I don't think you would have believed me. Three years ago they were signing Jelavic for £4M. Even two years ago, just before the crash, they were signing regular US and Romania internationals (Bocanegra and Goian).Who they are signing or playing is irrelevant IMO, they've been given a punishment that has turned out tae be nothing of the sort. They were given a transfer ban that started after the transfer windae closed, the standard of player they were allowed/able tae sign may not have been what they used tae but they were still enough tae make sure the strolled out of the 3rd division. If they'd had tae go with what they had, they may well have stayed there, that would have been a punishment. Now they are being allowed tae use rules tae get round the end of the transfer ban so they can gain an advantage in the 2nd division, again using players (assorted SPL or otherwise) that are better than those of their competitors. An absolute farce which sums up Scottish fitba tae a tee.

[SurferRosa]

And Puma have made them a special slopey top like the did for us to help rangers celebrate their decent to the lower divisions.

:faf: :top marks


Who they are signing or playing is irrelevant IMO, they've been given a punishment that has turned out tae be nothing of the sort. They were given a transfer ban that started after the transfer windae closed, the standard of player they were allowed/able tae sign may not have been what they used tae but they were still enough tae make sure the strolled out of the 3rd division. If they'd had tae go with what they had, they may well have stayed there, that would have been a punishment. Now they are being allowed tae use rules tae get round the end of the transfer ban so they can gain an advantage in the 2nd division, again using players (assorted SPL or otherwise) that are better than those of their competitors. An absolute farce which sums up Scottish fitba tae a tee.

Spot on Dan. Actively and openly conducting full negotiations with players and agents while under a transfer/registration ban and it`s reported by the press as though there is nothing at all wrong with it. Sporting integrity was just a phrase trotted out to pacify rebellious supporters.

When you have an SFA president who was heavily involved in the running of two of the most corrupt, immoral organisations ever in Scottish football and wasn`t even suspended when under investigation for taking EBT payments, it tells you all you need to know about our game.

[YehButNoBut]

They really seem to be struggling, not, I thought they were still running up huge losses every month but they can still afford a fancy new bus.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-show-off-new-state-of-the-art-bus-1-2982214

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT845lNMQJz3zdIbY3SGeyeDjqdSBCM5 JrVp7IVAI2prGj-tt7c57FBa38v-rSosx7xVbCpfkQ (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QpwI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scotsman.com%2Fsport%2Ffootba ll%2Fsfl-division-three%2Frangers-show-off-new-state-of-the-art-bus-1-2982214&ei=42jNUfvjIMOn0AWlpYHQBg&usg=AFQjCNEEnvR1XV0tlQzHwHfKbsMqP-CppQ&sig2=SV8mQAU-DjW_67JT3s8Jqg&bvm=bv.48572450,d.d2k)

[Peevemor]

They really seem to be struggling, not, I thought they were still running up huge losses every month but they can still afford a fancy new bus.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-show-off-new-state-of-the-art-bus-1-2982214

The bus will be owned by the coach company (Bruce's) who'll make a packet from it from private hire. Given that the Rangers 'name' is being used, they probably won't even have to pay when they use it.

[Hibs Class]

Just opened the paper this morning to see the huns parading 6 new signings to launch their new kit, should be fined for openly flaunting the way they are getting round the ban

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

[pontius pilate]

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

Just one on the whole Newco/Oldco I read somewhere that they were given co-efficient points by Uefa to be carried on by the old Rangers so it seems to me as if Uefa still consider them to be the same entity. However we wall know how corrupt Uefa/Fifa are so my point is probably irrelevant

[jgl07]

Just one on the whole Newco/Oldco I read somewhere that they were given co-efficient points by Uefa to be carried on by the old Rangers so it seems to me as if Uefa still consider them to be the same entity. However we wall know how corrupt Uefa/Fifa are so my point is probably irrelevant

It matters not as they points that the 'old' Rangers accumulated will be outside the (five year) timeframe before the Newco comes anywhere near Europe.

[LeighLoyal]

It matters not as they points that the 'old' Rangers accumulated will be outside the (five year) timeframe before the Newco comes anywhere near Europe.



So they won't get the coefficient points anyway? Not that it matters, very good chance Sevco will liquidate with Whyte waiting to pounce and a £1m a month operating loss with no credit line possible.

[Keith_M]

Nothing to add, just trying to keep this ahead of the Hearts thread a bit longer


:wink:

[BH Hibs]

Still the same cheating weedgie Hun arrogant *******s as always

[LeighLoyal]

Still the same cheating weedgie Hun arrogant *******s as always


1872





... my arse! :fibber:

[Keith_M]

I've not read it anywhere in here so apologies if this is old news but...

I've just been told that Rangers are now Full Members of the SPFL. So, the only thing left that indicated they were a NEW club has been conveniently removed by the deck chair re-arranging Titanic Crew (SPL/SFL/SPFL)



Signed, Disgusted of Upper Bavaria.

[YehButNoBut]

RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/4988791/Rangers-intend-to-have-their-voices-heard-in-the-SPFL.html

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I doubt the five year rule would have been abolished if Rangers had maintained full membership status.

[Part/Time Supporter]

I doubt the five year rule would have been abolished if Rangers had maintained full membership status.

I think the article is muddling two issues - membership of the SFA and membership of the SFL. Rangers' change of status in the league is not because they've abolished a rule, it's because the SPFL is effectively a rebranded SPL and the SFL has been abolished completely. The SFL had this distinction between associate and full members, which the SPL has never had. All new members of the SFL, including the newly admitted members (eg Peterhead, Elgin, Annan) had to go through this associate period before becoming full members.

The period of associate status for the SFL was only two years, not five. Annan, who were admitted to the SFL in 2008 after Gretna's demise, would not have had a vote on the Rangers situation last year if the associate period was five years. I believe the new Rangers would have gained full membership status of the SFL by the end of this season anyway. Another point to note is that lower division clubs have less voting rights within the SPFL structure than clubs in the higher divisions. It's also faintly ludicrous to suggest that Rangers have not had a say in the operation of the SFL over the last year, even though they did not have a vote on formal resolutions.

Also, as far as I understand, the new Rangers have had full membership of the SFA since they were allowed to play football at the start of last season.

[Onion]

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

When the NewHuns eventually get back to the SPL, every other SPL team should stick 5 or 6 or 7 star on their shirts just for a laugh. Puts their meaningless stars into context as Sevco have won NOTHING other than the 3rd Div.

[Spike Mandela]

So now that the SPL has gone I take it the 11-1 voting structure has gone or is that still there for top division issues only? Are all votes now a 42 club issue?:confused:

[Dashing Bob S]

RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/4988791/Rangers-intend-to-have-their-voices-heard-in-the-SPFL.html

Well, no.

[Hibercelona]

Everybody that cares about the game, cares about Rangers. :blah:

What a bunch of utter clowns.

[marinello59]

Still persisting with the five stars on it, as if that proves they're not a newco. Pitiful. They've already convinced themselves, and the rest of the football world knows the truth.

It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

[CropleyWasGod]

It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

My thoughts entirely. Whilst, of course, I see the argument for the latter, the former works for me.

However, as I've said often on here, this argument will rage forever and will never be settled.

[Hibs Class]

My thoughts entirely. Whilst, of course, I see the argument for the latter, the former works for me.

However, as I've said often on here, this argument will rage forever and will never be settled.


Which is better than nothing!

[jonty]

It all depends on whether the heart and soul of any football club belongs to the fans or to the lawyers and accountants. If it's the latter then they are a different club. I believe the former and know that if Hibs had gone though the same process I would see us as the same club with the same history. I only wish Rangers had been shut down for good though so that there was no room for doubt.

Sentimental claptrap. The club is not a fictional element of the fans combined will. It is an entity run by a bunch blokes who strive to gain any advantage over other clubs. They cheated, were found out, and punished.

The fans can try and kid themselves on, but RFC is dead.

[LeighLoyal]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

[CropleyWasGod]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

I rest my case

[blindsummit]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

Amen!

[jonty]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.
:top marks

[marinello59]

Sentimental claptrap. The club is not a fictional element of the fans combined will. It is an entity run by a bunch blokes who strive to gain any advantage over other clubs. They cheated, were found out, and punished.

The fans can try and kid themselves on, but RFC is dead.

A lot of stuff surrounding fitba is sentimental claptrap. I don't think that is a bad thing. :greengrin

[marinello59]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

I do get that argument. I would be taking the same line as the Rangers fans if it ever happened to Hibs though, no matter what the lawyers and suits said.
It is fun to tell them they ain't the same club though.:greengrin

[jonty]

A lot of stuff surrounding fitba is sentimental claptrap. I don't think that is a bad thing. :greengrin

Tell that to the poor kids who have no clothes, no heating and xmas presents because dad bought shares (different club, same sentimental claptrap)


I do get that argument. I would be taking the same line as the Rangers fans if it ever happened to Hibs though, no matter what the lawyers and suits said.
It is fun to tell them they ain't the same club though.:greengrin
If it ever happens to Hibs, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. until then...... :greengrin

[Hank Schrader]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

Quality post.:not worth It's such a shame the Neanderthals will never get it.

[green glory]

Interesting if true.


@AgentScotland: Dean Shiels will be allowed to leave Ibrox for nothing if he can find a club, still has 3yr on £7k p/w so unlikely he'll move without payoff

@AgentScotland: Ian Black would also be allowed to leave tho still has over £1m in potential wages to collect from Ibrox which he wont get anywhere else

Anything AgentScotland says has to be taken with a pinch if salt, although money is getting tighter at Grayskull so wouldn't be too surprised.

[Billy Whizz]

Interesting if true.


@AgentScotland: Dean Shiels will be allowed to leave Ibrox for nothing if he can find a club, still has 3yr on £7k p/w so unlikely he'll move without payoff

@AgentScotland: Ian Black would also be allowed to leave tho still has over £1m in potential wages to collect from Ibrox which he wont get anywhere else

Anything AgentScotland says has to be taken with a pinch if salt, although money is getting tighter at Grayskull so wouldn't be too surprised.

I think money is getting tighter. Fat Sally's been told to sell before he can bring new faces in

[Part/Time Supporter]

I think money is getting tighter. Fat Sally's been told to sell before he can bring new faces in

There was a good article by Michael Grant in the Herald about this the other day. Apparently even after shedding a few of the bigger salaries (Goian, Bocanegra and a couple of the executives that came with Green), they are still losing over £400K a month. Yet McCoist continually demands more players (to beat part timers). I think the notion of Sevco having a "warchest" when they get into the top flight has been dispelled.

[Saorsa]

There was a good article by Michael Grant in the Herald about this the other day. Apparently even after shedding a few of the bigger salaries (Goian, Bocanegra and a couple of the executives that came with Green), they are still losing over £400K a month. Yet McCoist continually demands more players (to beat part timers). I think the notion of Sevco having a "warchest" when they get into the top flight has been dispelled.That's because he's a clueless fat **** of a manager and having far superior players in the only way they'll win

[Ozyhibby]

Do not want Dean Sheils.

[poolman]

There was a good article by Michael Grant in the Herald about this the other day. Apparently even after shedding a few of the bigger salaries (Goian, Bocanegra and a couple of the executives that came with Green), they are still losing over £400K a month. Yet McCoist continually demands more players (to beat part timers). I think the notion of Sevco having a "warchest" when they get into the top flight has been dispelled.


Absolute no shame

No lessons learnt at all


Rangers cash warning
Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.
Writing in The Herald, Michael Grant warns that the Ibrox club, who have made the most off-season signings in Scotland, cost around £1.5m to run per month, but only £1.1m is coming in.


:rolleyes:

[Keith_M]

So, last year's batch of over-paid mercenaries (chosen by McCoist) is no longer good enough and they now want a fresh batch, while having to find mega dosh to pay off the last lot.


Surely the best thing that lot could do is to pay off their useless manager, who knows only throwing money at a problem, and get in somebody that actually has a clue?

[BarneyK]

Absolute no shame

No lessons learnt at all


Rangers cash warning
Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.
Writing in The Herald, Michael Grant warns that the Ibrox club, who have made the most off-season signings in Scotland, cost around £1.5m to run per month, but only £1.1m is coming in.


:rolleyes:

:agree: The Yams'll be just the same once their medicine has been swallowed. Two cheeks from the same arse the pair of them.

[jonty]

So, last year's batch of over-paid mercenaries (chosen by McCoist) is no longer good enough and they now want a fresh batch, while having to find mega dosh to pay off the last lot.


Surely the best thing that lot could do is to pay off their useless manager, who knows only throwing money at a problem, and get in somebody that actually has a clue?

Aye, but where's the fun in that, for the rest of us who like to see the FT scores come in and The Rangers lose yet another away match :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

I would find it very 'pleasing' if Ian Black was to be released.

Anyone got that clip of him being karate kicked in the ribs during a D3 game and the referee deciding it was only worthy of a booking?

[Part/Time Supporter]

I would find it very 'pleasing' if Ian Black was to be released.

Anyone got that clip of him being karate kicked in the ribs during a D3 game and the referee deciding it was only worthy of a booking?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/gif-ian-blacks-kung-fu-assault-rangers-v-stirling-albion/

[AndyM_1875]

They are not the same club, the company incorporated in 1899 died with £60m worth of unpaid debts, plus an unquantified tax liability, and that company's business "Rangers FC" died with it, it was wound up and all it's history came to an end in 2012. Furthermore, UK insolvency law says: if a new company is formed using assets bought from an old liquidated company, for the purpose of operating the same type of business, it is a NEW company and a NEW business venture. For newco 2012 that means it is a new football club and not the same as the one that played in the spl. Anything else would
mean insolvency law is a meaningless legal instrument, which it is not, so Sevco, newco, T'Rangers are not Rangers FC, except in their wee bigoted minds.

I had the misfortune to be on a train bound for Glasgow one Saturday last March which was full of them heading for Ibrox. Whilst much of what you say is true and i quite like the fact that they were sunk by a phantom tax bill that looks like it may well have been absolute bollocks for me its not a black & white issue. The reality is that people are still going to Ibrox in big numbers to watch a team called Rangers playing in blue whose fans are some of the most unpleasant creatures you will ever find. The bigotry is certainly back worse than before from what I heard on the train.

To me if it looks like a dog and barks like a dog and wants to bite you then it usually is a dog.
The only difference now is that Rangers fans now have a huge chip of paranoia on their shoulders and that Celtic appear to be the Establishment club with an unhealthy degree of influence inside the SFA.

Assuming all progresses on track by August 2015 this is all water under the bridge. Brand Old Firm will be back (Dashing Bob rightly calls them Scotland's social dustbin) and Celtic will be shamelessly jumping back on board.

[blackpoolhibs]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/gif-ian-blacks-kung-fu-assault-rangers-v-stirling-albion/

I have watched that clip a number of times, and for the life of me i cant understand why a foul was awarded?

You cant tackle sevco players properly these days without earning a booking.

[Lucius Apuleius]

'Mon the Binos!

[Pedantic_Hibee]

They are and will continue to be The Rangers in my book.

They have one trophy to their name. The end.

[jacomo]

Absolute no shame

No lessons learnt at all


Rangers cash warning
Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.
Writing in The Herald, Michael Grant warns that the Ibrox club, who have made the most off-season signings in Scotland, cost around £1.5m to run per month, but only £1.1m is coming in.


:rolleyes:

Disgraceful. I thought Newco were supposed to be a break from the loss-making ways of the past.

Obviously there are a lot of costs involved, but if reports are true Shiels accounts for around £30,000 of that monthly expenditure total on his own. God knows how much fat Swally eats his way through.

[Bostonhibby]

RANGERS say they plan to make their voices heard within the corridors of power of the newly Scottish Professional Football League.

The Ibrox have been granted full membership status and had been barred from voting in recent debates on the future of the Scottish game following their formation as a newco in the wake of last year’s liquidation crisis.

Rangers’ chief executive Craig Mather said: “This is the status Rangers should have and we look forward to playing a full and leading part in the rebuilding of Scottish football.

“That’s what all of us; everyone who cares about the game should be working towards. It is also important that Rangers’ voice be heard because this club is too big and too important to be ignored.

“Stage one has been completed but the journey continues and we hope to meet and make many more friends along the way. However, now that we are full members we will be determined to make our own views on the game’s future known.

“Everyone knows Rangers have had to tread carefully but we will now be moving forward with greater purpose and determination on and off the pitch as well as within the corridors of power.”

Earlier this month, the SFA’s 93 member clubs voted to scrap a ruling that forced new member clubs to serve a five-year spell of association membership before being granted full voting rights.

Rangers are now able to re-join the rest of Scotland’s 41 league clubs to have their say on major issues.

They Glasgow club will face Albion Rovers in the first round of the Rmasdens Cup on July 27.

They kick off their second division campaign on August 10 at home to Brechin.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/4988791/Rangers-intend-to-have-their-voices-heard-in-the-SPFL.html

All very fine and dandy, but surely they should all wait to see what The Rangers or The the Rangers have to say, only seems fair that the new boy gets a chance to be ignored as well eh?

[poolman]

Disgraceful. I thought Newco were supposed to be a break from the loss-making ways of the past.

Obviously there are a lot of costs involved, but if reports are true Shiels accounts for around £30,000 of that monthly expenditure total on his own. God knows how much fat Swally eats his way through.


Dont think that this is widely known but FFS


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/early-release-proves-rich-reward-for-goian.21484411

[YehButNoBut]

Dont think that this is widely known but FFS


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/early-release-proves-rich-reward-for-goian.21484411

Staggering no wonder they were in deep financial trouble, and also this story about them building up debt once again, makes you wonder what their debt will be by the time they make it back to the SPL.

Can see them going into administration again in the future, they certainly have not learned any lesson.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/opinion/rangers-have-to-keep-an-eye-on-their-spending-or-face-financial-woe-again.21493542

[jacomo]

Dont think that this is widely known but FFS


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/early-release-proves-rich-reward-for-goian.21484411

I agree with the comments on that story - if you are going to pay a player a year's wages up front to get rid of them, why not keep them in the squad? Utterly baffling.

[Keith_M]

Wow! That kinda money could keep Hearts going for another fortnight!

[LeighLoyal]

Wow! That kinda money could keep Hearts going for another fortnight!



£1m in wages due to Franny Sanders as well for his outrageous sacking by racist liar Green.

[Part/Time Supporter]

I agree with the comments on that story - if you are going to pay a player a year's wages up front to get rid of them, why not keep them in the squad? Utterly baffling.

Saves a bit of employer's NIC, but it is still a pretty crap deal.

[lapsedhibee]

Rangers could face further financial trouble if they don’t reign in their spending.

Might the Scotsman be a better newspaper if it employed littrit people to write the articles? :hmmm:

[Velma Dinkley]

Don't know if this has been mentioned already. The Rangers are splashing the cash on some fancy Wi-Fi thing (http://www.cbronline.com/news/football-club-signs-huawei-to-bring-fans-the-full-wi-fi-experience).

[Hibercelona]

What I don't understand is that they were so desperate to have The Rangers in the SPL and now they're so desperate to get them back up into the SPFL.

The reason they say is for "financial" reasons.

Yet, all they've done is ripped Scotland off and are now attempting the same thing again.

There's no benefit to the country by having them in the SPFL. Neither financially or morally.

[basehibby]

Dearie me - Fat Sally's theory on the transfer market seems to parallel his attitude to his dinner - ie. stuff your face, stuff your face some more and keep stuffing until ...

a) the cupboard is empty
b) you get booted out of the kitchen
c) you explode

The way the Sev-huns are carrying on it could yet be all three! Despite supposedly being on a rigorous diet (ie transfer ban) they simply cannot help themselves as their gluttony knows no bounds. If their bloated re-animated form suffers another coronary they will have absolutely no-one to blame but themselves - here's hoping next time it's fatal!

[LeighLoyal]

Dearie me - Fat Sally's theory on the transfer market seems to parallel his attitude to his dinner - ie. stuff your face, stuff your face some more and keep stuffing until ...

a) the cupboard is empty
b) you get booted out of the kitchen
c) you explode

The way the Sev-huns are carrying on it could yet be all three! Despite supposedly being on a rigorous diet (ie transfer ban) they simply cannot help themselves as their gluttony knows no bounds. If their bloated re-animated form suffers another coronary they will have absolutely no-one to blame but themselves - here's hoping next time it's fatal!



It was fatal, their club and its history died, but I get your meaning. If Sevco died it's likely another mob claiming to be Rangers will pop up.

[Seveno]

Don't know if this has been mentioned already. The Rangers are splashing the cash on some fancy Wi-Fi thing (http://www.cbronline.com/news/football-club-signs-huawei-to-bring-fans-the-full-wi-fi-experience).

This is the start of their long term strategy to make money through the use of the internet. They plan to enlist over a million subscribers to The Rangers TV. All contact with the MSM will cease and their fans will have to pay a subscription to find out what is going on in the Club. This is why they brought in Fatty Traynor.

[MB62]

I agree with the comments on that story - if you are going to pay a player a year's wages up front to get rid of them, why not keep them in the squad? Utterly baffling.

probably save money in appearance and win bonuses amongst other things.

[greenginger]

With all the attention over on Gorgie this nearly slipped under the radar.


http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary.html?fourWayKey=GB00B90T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Rangers International F C drop 15% on heavy trading. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

With all the attention over on Gorgie this nearly slipped under the radar.


http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary.html?fourWayKey=GB00B90T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Rangers International F C drop 15% on heavy trading. :greengrin


So from a high of 93.00 they're now 42.50?


Wow, they ARE doing well.

[greenginger]

So from a high of 93.00 they're now 42.50?


Wow, they ARE doing well.


Its like watching the Ukio Bankas declines in the good old days of Vlad. :greengrin

[green glory]

Its like watching the Ukio Bankas declines in the good old days of Vlad. :greengrin

Funny that's exactly what I was thinking. And how did that pan out?

[Mango Man]

I've said it previously on this thread, I still get a horrible feeling they [Hearts] will somehow wriggle out of this, I sincerely hope not though.

:pfgwa

[Springbank]

Do they owe the share price to themselves though?

#allverycomplex

[Sanger]

I've said it previously on this thread, I still get a horrible feeling they will somehow wriggle out of this, I sincerely hope not though.

:pfgwa

please state the logic and facts for this feeling?

[clerriehibs]

please state the logic and facts for this feeling?

Logic is that the auth's were sore at losing the the rangers from the top division last year. They 'might' think they'll be able to sweep the mini-orc mess under the carpet. So far, they seem to be less than pro-active, and the new season is only a matter of days away.

[Treadstone]

Logic is that the auth's were sore at losing the the rangers from the top division last year. They 'might' think they'll be able to sweep the mini-orc mess under the carpet. So far, they seem to be less than pro-active, and the new season is only a matter of days away.

I don't think sweeping things under the carpet is based in logic.

[Keith_M]

I don't think sweeping things under the carpet is based in logic.


The SFA today announced that they no longer need to have an enquiry into the takeover of Rangers because Rangers themselves had such an enquiry (defining their own parameters) and cleared themselves of all charges.


That's in no way logical either, so you can see where he's coming from.

[Spike Mandela]

With all the attention over on Gorgie this nearly slipped under the radar.


http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary.html?fourWayKey=GB00B90T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Rangers International F C drop 15% on heavy trading. :greengrin

Yeah, not to mention the SFA whitewash continuing................

http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/sport/football/rangers-sfa-to-make-no-further-ibrox-probe-1-3003679

But don't worry the SFA asked 'specific' questions, so that's alright.:faf:

[Keith_M]

I wonder if other clubs due to be investigated by the SFA should offer to investigate themselves, now that the precedent has been set.

[greenginger]

The SFA today announced that they no longer need to have an enquiry into the takeover of Rangers because Rangers themselves had such an enquiry (defining their own parameters) and cleared themselves of all charges.


That's in no way logical either, so you can see where he's coming from.

I'm sure the Rangers own inquiry had a start date of when Chuckie formed Sevco Scotland and what went on before with Whytey and the first Sevco was ignored. Hope Whyte gets his day in court just to expose the cover-up.

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm sure the Rangers own inquiry had a start date of when Chuckie formed Sevco Scotland and what went on before with Whytey and the first Sevco was ignored. Hope Whyte gets his day in court just to expose the cover-up.

There's been lots of juicy titbits on the Charlotte Fakeovers twitter etc. The press are obviously aware of it all because they've used the odd bit here and there but predictably only anything that suits the current agenda of the Walter/Traynor/Fat Ally faction.

[Mango Man]

I've said it previously on this thread, I still get a horrible feeling they [Hearts] will somehow wriggle out of this, I sincerely hope not though.

:pfgwa

Bloody hell, this was meant to be posted on the Hearts thread, ha, still kinda works.

[Keith_M]

Bloody hell, this was meant to be posted on the Hearts thread, ha, still kinda works.


Don't worry, I think it probably was and some Admin moved it. My reply, regarding how the SFA decision on Rangers and how it relates to Hearts, has been moved to this thread as well, even though it's Hearts specific.


Ask the Admins why, they've been moving loads of stuff about recently.

[greenginger]

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary.html?fourWayKey=GB00B90T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Over 1.5 million shares sold today. Some people getting out before the stampede, but whose getting in :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary.html?fourWayKey=GB00B90T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Over 1.5 million shares sold today. Some people getting out before the stampede, but whose getting in :confused:

Perhaps the guy in the wheelchair.... can't remember his name.

[Ozyhibby]

Don't worry, I think it probably was and some Admin moved it. My reply, regarding how the SFA decision on Rangers and how it relates to Hearts, has been moved to this thread as well, even though it's Hearts specific.


Ask the Admins why, they've been moving loads of stuff about recently.

The constant moving of posts, merging and unmerging of threads is becoming tedious.

[easty]

Perhaps the guy in the wheelchair.... can't remember his name.

Ironside?

[Keith_M]

The constant moving of posts, merging and unmerging of threads is becoming tedious.


:agree:

[greenginger]

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-fc-taxman-walking/5413

The Second Tier Tax Tribunal got underway in Edinburgh as well today.

Nail those tax dodging vermin.

[CropleyWasGod]

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-fc-taxman-walking/5413

The Second Tier Tax Tribunal got underway in Edinburgh as well today.

Nail those tax dodging vermin.

TBH, there's not a lot they can nail them with. It's more about setting precedent than getting cash out of the company.

[greenginger]

TBH, there's not a lot they can nail them with. It's more about setting precedent than getting cash out of the company.

I know but the Bluenose Loyal will have to drop their " we're no guilty of anything bullsh*t " and admit they are or were a bunch of thieves.

Will be rather difficult for a couple of smart suited, polite talking Huns I know. :greengrin

[ScottB]

I know but the Bluenose Loyal will have to drop their " we're no guilty of anything bullsh*t " and admit they are or were a bunch of thieves.

Will be rather difficult for a couple of smart suited, polite talking Huns I know. :greengrin

Considering they've created their own special version of reality that Sevco exists in, I doubt it'll make much difference. They'll still be the same club, with the same history suffering from an unjust punishment from the sinister catholic agenda... :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

I know but the Bluenose Loyal will have to drop their " we're no guilty of anything bullsh*t " and admit they are or were a bunch of thieves.

Will be rather difficult for a couple of smart suited, polite talking Huns I know. :greengrin

What might change things, albeit only a tad, would be if HMRC decided to go for criminal proceedings. (I don't think that they will). If they do, it will be years away once the civil procedure has been exhausted.....when RFC will be back lording it over all of us and all of this will be hazy history.

[ballengeich]

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary.html?fourWayKey=GB00B90T9Z75GBGBXASQ1


Over 1.5 million shares sold today. Some people getting out before the stampede, but whose getting in :confused:

There are claims on several sites that Charles Green's share holding has dropped by 1.5 million today. Rangers changed their AIM adviser a week or two ago. The new ones must have agreed to unlock his shares earlier than the previously arranged date.

He's obviously decided which way the price is going to move. Any sign of audited accounts?

[CropleyWasGod]

There are claims on several sites that Charles Green's share holding has dropped by 1.5 million today. Rangers changed their AIM adviser a week or two ago. The new ones must have agreed to unlock his shares earlier than the previously arranged date.

He's obviously decided which way the price is going to move. Any sign of audited accounts?

The PLC's accounting date is the end of November, not due at Companies House until May 2014.

The Rangers Football Club Limited has an accounting date of 30 June, not due until February.

[Sylar]

Does anyone know if this is a general rule for all clubs or just for The Rangers, given their situation?

They've been told that whilst they're allowed to field trialists in the first round of the Ramsdens (tomorrow vs Albion Rovers), they won't be able to do so in the second round (assuming of course that they do, as expected, get past Albion Rovers).

The SPFL have admitted there's no logical reason for this and they can't explain why it is the case and it certainly seems a bizarre one to me.

[Sir David Gray]

Does anyone know if this is a general rule for all clubs or just for The Rangers, given their situation?

They've been told that whilst they're allowed to field trialists in the first round of the Ramsdens (tomorrow vs Albion Rovers), they won't be able to do so in the second round (assuming of course that they do, as expected, get past Albion Rovers).

The SPFL have admitted there's no logical reason for this and they can't explain why it is the case and it certainly seems a bizarre one to me.

It would be a competition ruling.

There's no way they could allow Sevco to field trialists and prevent other clubs from doing likewise.

[The Falcon]

This little gem was tweeted a month ago by Charlotte

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rl17m9

check the Ted Smith email and its alleged origin

[aazza91]

Does anyone know if this is a general rule for all clubs or just for The Rangers, given their situation?

They've been told that whilst they're allowed to field trialists in the first round of the Ramsdens (tomorrow vs Albion Rovers), they won't be able to do so in the second round (assuming of course that they do, as expected, get past Albion Rovers).

The SPFL have admitted there's no logical reason for this and they can't explain why it is the case and it certainly seems a bizarre one to me.

Its maybe to do with the first round being so early in the summer that they allow teams a few trialists as a lot of teams won't have full squads for the upcoming season whereas when the second round comes along squads will/should be almost complete.

[greenginger]

The PLC's accounting date is the end of November, not due at Companies House until May 2014.

The Rangers Football Club Limited has an accounting date of 30 June, not due until February.

I seem to recall that there was a rule that Rangers would have to have 3 sets of accounts before they would get a Euro License to play in Europa League.

Is this correct or just Hibs.net wishful thinking. Its just I was lying on a sunny beach in foreign climes today reading a Daily Record ( I know ). Anyway there was an article on how the Gers want to play in Europe next season by winning the Scottish Cup. :confused:

[jgl07]

I seem to recall that there was a rule that Rangers would have to have 3 sets of accounts before they would get a Euro License to play in Europa League.

Is this correct or just Hibs.net wishful thinking. Its just I was lying on a sunny beach in foreign climes today reading a Daily Record ( I know ). Anyway there was an article on how the Gers want to play in Europe next season by winning the Scottish Cup. :confused:
No they will not.

You need three years worth of audited accounts to be eligible for a European Licence. This is needed to comply with FFP requirements.

Sevco have yet to submit a set of accounts as far as I am aware. If the rumours about Rangers finance are correct they will struggle to meet FFP requirements.

[Keith_M]

The answer the SPFL gave about this is that they inherited this rule (from the SFL) and had no idea why it was the case. I would presume they either have at least ONE person working for them that used to work for the SFL they could ask or. failing that, someone they could call.


I loved McCoist's warped logic on the matter. He didn't think it unfair that he could play trialists in the first round but instead railed against the fact that he was trying to field a settled team and it was unfair he would have to change it in subsequent rounds. No mention of the fact that they are SUPPOSED to be the subject of a transfer embargo.

[Back Lounge]

Hi guys. I'm new on here so be nice!

Trialists are allowed in the first round of the Challenge Cup, there was 1 on the bench for Spartans yesterday.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, they said that Hamilton were playing a trialist and that he had a shirt with 30 and "Trialist" on the back.

[Sylar]

Hi guys. I'm new on here so be nice!

Trialists are allowed in the first round of the Challenge Cup, there was 1 on the bench for Spartans yesterday.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, they said that Hamilton were playing a trialist and that he had a shirt with 30 and "Trialist" on the back.

Welcome Back Lounge!

Yes, there were a few trialists being played in the competition yesterday - my query was related to how the SPFL can justify not allowing their inclusion in the next round, being that they themselves don't understand the rule.

[Sylar]

Watching Albion Rovers vs Rangers in the Ramsdens Cup just now and Rangers will absolutely piss all over the SPFL League 1 with the team they've put together over the summer.

Nicky Law looks sensational and Daly looks incredibly comfortable up front for them. Not to mention Nicky Clark, Ricky Foster, Arnold Peralta and Bilel Mohsni...

An absolute embarrassment of riches for a club with a supposed transfer embargo imposed upon them.

[SaulGoodman]

Welcome to Scottish Football.


Rotten to the core.

[semaj64]

Watching Albion Rovers vs Rangers in the Ramsdens Cup just now and Rangers will absolutely piss all over the SPFL League 1 with the team they've put together over the summer.

Nicky Law looks sensational and Daly looks incredibly comfortable up front for them. Not to mention Nicky Clark, Ricky Foster, Arnold Peralta and Bilel Mohsni...

An absolute embarrassment of riches for a club with a supposed transfer embargo imposed upon them.
and still spending outwith their means again!!

[Paisley Hibby]

No they will not.

You need three years worth of audited accounts to be eligible for a European Licence. This is needed to comply with FFP requirements.

Sevco have yet to submit a set of accounts as far as I am aware. If the rumours about Rangers finance are correct they will struggle to meet FFP requirements.

If only we had failed to submit audited accounts within the past 3 years :rolleyes:

[Sylar]

Cheers "mergers" :aok:

[SurferRosa]

Watching Albion Rovers vs Rangers in the Ramsdens Cup just now and Rangers will absolutely piss all over the SPFL League 1 with the team they've put together over the summer.

Nicky Law looks sensational and Daly looks incredibly comfortable up front for them. Not to mention Nicky Clark, Ricky Foster, Arnold Peralta and Bilel Mohsni...

An absolute embarrassment of riches for a club with a supposed transfer embargo imposed upon them.

A punishment that never was a punishment...:confused:

The dates for the start and finish of the " embargo ", carefully arranged to allow SevCo to operate in both summer transfer windows, thereby ensuring their swift passage back to the top league as soon as possible. The SPFL wants its two horse race back.

Isn`t it good to know that, with one solitary exception, the same corrupt, odious individuals responsible for the entire sham are still governing our game.

[R'Albin]

Admin pricks out, Keekaboo in :agree:

[Hibs07p]

During the half time break at the Ramsdens Cup today, there was an interview with a couple of Albion Rovers guys, talking about how they were the only club in Scotland that didn't benefit from THE RANGERS demise, as they were relegated as THE RANGERS were promoted, and wouldn't benefit from the HORDES visiting their club. Then out of thin air they get a cup tie against THEM, televised, and at a ground bigger than their own to accommodate the crowds. What a coincidence that was. Only the SFA / SPFL could arrange a coincidence like that.

GGTTH

[cabbageandribs1875]

aaah it was played at livi's ground, wondered why there were so many currant buns walking around whilst en route to asds :(




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