Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[MrSmith]

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I'm in!

[Joe6-2]

Hibs have nothing to lose and everything to gain by coming out with a strong statement saying yes effectively rangers cheated and the titles they won are tainted and should be stripped from the record books. The titles may not be stripped but i can live with that as long as we show sporting integrity really does mean something to Hibernian FC not just cheap talk. Lets face it the only people in Scotland who would object are the huns and i doubt if they could hate us anymore anyway. GGTTH.

This

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Excellent. And the only thing that would be sweeter than this legal team succeeding in its quest is if one of its members is from Arbroath.

[majorhibs]

Green day & Ancient hibee- best ignored when their that entrenched. Lots o good points here but some see their horizons & nae further. He'll mend them.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Ozyhibby]

News on judicial appeal. Lawyers appointed.
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[MrSmith]

News on judicial appeal. Lawyers appointed.
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-judicial-review-of-the-lord-nimmo-smith-commission/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


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Great news 👍

[Spike Mandela]

Not one single statement from the SFA, SPL or SPFL has so much as condemned,called out the cheating or even mentioned any wrongdoing.

It's as if some mythical thing happened a long time ago but is only legend and hearsay

They at least 'noted' the Supreme court judgment. How good of them. I noted my Rice Crispies ran out this morning,will revisit it later.

[MrSmith]

Not one single statement from the SFA, SPL or SPFL has so much as condemned,called out the cheating or even mentioned any wrongdoing.

It's as if some mythical thing happened a long time ago but is only legend and hearsay

They at least 'noted' the Supreme court judgment. How good of them. I noted my Rice Crispies ran out this morning,will revisit it later.

The SFA/SPFL treat fans as idiots! They are employing the tactic of "say it often enough and it'll be true" Joseph Goebbels. And given time, we will all forget about it as the lie will carry on and eventually become fact.

[ancient hibee]

Green day & Ancient hibee- best ignored when their that entrenched. Lots o good points here but some see their horizons & nae further. He'll mend them.


Here you-I don't intend to get entrenched for a few years yet.

[Ozyhibby]

I copied this from Tony McKelvie(journalist) on Twitter.


Judicial Review: A Dummies Guide
I see that moves are afoot to seek a Judicial Review of certain matters in Scottish Football, and thought it might be worthwhile sketching out the process for those who may be interested in but unfamiliar with the process.

This is not presented as, and is not intended to be, any sort of definitive description of the Judicial Review process in Scotland. Rather, it's an outline of the challenges facing anyone considering using the Judicial Review process, written by a Dummy for other Dummies. An extensive and authoritative guide can be found here: http://www.parliament.scot/ResearchBriefingsAndFactsheets/S5/SB_16-62_Judicial_Review.pdf

First up, let's get one thing straight: In Judicial Review, you can't simply rock up to court and insist the judge finds the other guys bang to rights. This is not a matter of civil dispute between two parties over the placing of a fence between their properties. Moreover, the courts are often reluctant to intervene at all.

Judicial Review is a process of supervising the decisions of public bodies, and in Scotland, this supervision extends in some circumstances to the decisions made by private organisations.

In this context, are the decisions of SFA and/or SPFL subject to the supervision of the courts in Scotland? Resoundingly: Yes.

Now we've got that out of the way, attention turns to consider quite what it is that one might ask the court to review. Judicial Review is, in effect, a challenge to the legal validity of a given decision. The bases for the challenge are variously:

1) That the decision maker acted unlawfully;
2) That the decision was made using an unfair procedure;
3) That the decision was so unreasonable as to be irrational.

Interestingly from the perspective of those seeking to review recent decisions of SFA and SPFL, Judicial Review also applies to decisions not to act.

First base then is defining the "decision" that the court will be asked to review. This is subject to a time bar, such that any application for review needs to be made within three months of the decision being made. [It's worthwhile noting here that the decision of the SPL's Commission headed by Lord Nimmo Smith was made in 2013].

Once the decision subject to a proposed review has been defined, there is a formal process of "petition" to undertake before the court will agree to its review. The petition process has three tests which the 'petitioners' require to pass before a petition for Review is granted, being:

1) That the Petitioners have 'sufficient interest' in the matter at hand;
2) That the application has a real prospect of success, and;
3) Either - (i) the application raises an important point of principle or practice, or (ii) there is some other compelling reason for allowing the application to proceed

Only once the court is satisfied that the petition meets all three tests, is the petition granted, and a Judicial Review undertaken.

In the mooted suggestion to seek Judicial Review of a decision(s) by SFA and/or SPFL, the matter of the 'sufficient interest' of the petitioners represents a considerable hurdle. Let's assume that the petitioners do not include any member clubs of either SFA or SPFL. In such circumstances, the courts are careful to prevent 'busybodies' interfering with the properly-taken decisions of organisations to which the petitioner has no direct association.

In this light, it's worth noting that Football is the National Game in Scotland, and as such, subject of considerable public interest. A 'body' of petitioners reflecting the status and public interest of the Game *might* be considered to have 'sufficient interest' in the matter to meet the test of standing. It is wholly unlikely though that an individual or group of individuals acting in isolation would meet the test.

The second test - That the application has a real prospect of success - is bound up in the merits of the third test. In these regards, it will be for Counsel to the petitioners to determine what legal point of principle or practice to challenge, and thereafter to advise on the prospects of success.

News this morning that Counsel has been retained implies that such advice has yet to be provided. If in the coming weeks news arrives that a petition for Judicial Review is to be raised, it can be reasonably assumed that Counsel has confidence that the circumstances of the case meet the three tests.

On which point, it's worth noting SPFL Chairman Ralph Topping's recently published view that the SPFL "is ready" for any such challenge, and confident that it will be able to sustain any such scrutiny. Indeed, SPFL recently published advice received from its own Senior Counsel on the matter to this effect.

Finally, the costs of a Judicial Review are considerable. Judicial Reviews are undertaken at the Court of Session, and arguments made by Advocates, often Queen's Counsel, acting on instructions received by a solicitor. That's a lot of time from a lot of well paid professionals. The costs of obtaining advice, preparing the case and presenting a petition typically run to six figures, at which point the outcome merely secures a "day in court" to argue the case.

Taken in the round, Judicial Review is fraught, encompassing a set of challenging standards in a complex process led by legal experts. Those seeking to challenge the decisions of SFA and SPFL are going to need all the support you can muster.

I hope that's helpful.
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[Ozyhibby]

Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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[Super_JMcGinn]

Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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Perhaps other people are not quite so wrapped up in it as you are :aok:.

[marinello59]

Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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Maybe the board meeting was mainly about the season ahead for our club, fans demanding that titles be stripped comes a distant second to that for me. If they do come out with something I hope the empasis is on ensuring that the rules are in place to prevent something like this happening again rather than giving sevco another kicking, as pleasing as that is.

[traceyhibs]

Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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Hi sorry just seen this.

We discussed the EBT case fully at the board meeting. We all agreed a statement should be released by the Board. This will be happening this week.

Thanks

Tracey


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[Ozyhibby]

Hi sorry just seen this.

We discussed the EBT case fully at the board meeting. We all agreed a statement should be released by the Board. This will be happening this week.

Thanks

Tracey


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Thanks Tracey. Just making sure you were still checking in on the thread. [emoji6]


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[traceyhibs]

Thanks Tracey. Just making sure you were still checking in on the thread. [emoji6]


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Been a bit slow this week but always. Should have put something up to say that on Monday and it would have saved you asking [emoji4]


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[Velma Dinkley]

Maybe the board meeting was mainly about the season ahead for our club, fans demanding that titles be stripped comes a distant second to that for me. If they do come out with something I hope the empasis is on ensuring that the rules are in place to prevent something like this happening again rather than giving sevco another kicking, as pleasing as that is.

To be fair, there were rules in place to prevent it in the past. The problem is that the football authorities in Scotland pick and choose when to apply their own rules.

[marinello59]

To be fair, there were rules in place to prevent it in the past. The problem is that the football authorities in Scotland pick and choose when to apply their own rules.

I mean clear and unambiguous rules so there can be no picking and choosing.

[MrSmith]

I mean clear and unambiguous rules so there can be no picking and choosing.


Its a bit late though no?

[CathroMustStay]

Hun ****.

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[JeMeSouviens]

A sad day as cup final legend Rob Kiernan departs for Southend. :no way:

:lolrangers:

[DarlingtonHibee]

Hun *r***.

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Beyond believe, they need therapy.

[ancient hibee]

No they need shooting.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Perhaps other people are not quite so wrapped up in it as you are :aok:.


aaah... it's gail

[Joe6-2]

Hun ****.

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Words fail me

[Ozyhibby]

Been a bit slow this week but always. Should have put something up to say that on Monday and it would have saved you asking [emoji4]


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Still waiting patiently. [emoji23] Hope we are not going all Sevco with a late Friday night statement release?


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[Jack Hackett]

Still waiting patiently. [emoji23] Hope we are not going all Sevco with a late Friday night statement release?


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Psst!...

Tomorrow...

5pm...

You heard it here first

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[Ronniekirk]

If its going to be at all controversial they aren t going to release it in the lead up to our game v The Rangers
That would just be Stoking [emoji91] the Flames before a Match that will already be an Emotionally Charged Occassion
I see Dorran s Double sneaked them a win today Probably their best signing to date


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[Northernhibee]

Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

Just like all of Sevco's achievements are meaningless because of financial doping.

[Iggy Pope]

Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

Just like all of Sevco's achievements are meaningless because of financial doping.

For a couple of reasons, body and mind, Michael Mols should stay out of the sun.

[Ozyhibby]

If its going to be at all controversial they aren t going to release it in the lead up to our game v The Rangers
That would just be Stoking [emoji91] the Flames before a Match that will already be an Emotionally Charged Occassion
I see Dorran s Double sneaked them a win today Probably their best signing to date


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It was supposed to be released before the start of the season? Not sure what's going on now?


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[Super_JMcGinn]

Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

Just like all of Sevco's achievements are meaningless because of financial doping.

He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.

[HoboHarry]

He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.

Repeating something someone else said doesn't automatically make it true. It's a ridiculous notion and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it was originally dreamt up by the demented Jim Traynor.

[greenlex]

He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.
If that's his reason then he's waffling along with the others.

[Super_JMcGinn]

Repeating something someone else said doesn't automatically make it true. It's a ridiculous notion and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it was originally dreamt up by the idiotic Jim Traynor.

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

[Hibs Class]

He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.

Whether he is waffling or not is subjective (but imo he us talking pish). There are enough hun bigots and apologists to confirm that he is not the only one saying it, but that has f'all relevance. If the questions are the validity of the huns titles then the only logical conclusion is that they are undeniably tainted, and if it's whether the absence of the dead huns reduces the value of recent celtc titles then the only logical conclusion is that celtc can only beat what is in front of them.

I am not waffling and plenty people have said the same, so I assume you will agree with me?

[Bishop Hibee]

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

They weren't 'banished". They had to reapply as a new club due to going bust and were fortunate to be admitted at League 2 level. Don't believe the bluenose propaganda that they were "punished".

[Haymaker]

They weren't 'banished". They had to reapply as a new club due to going bust and were fortunate to be admitted at League 2 level. Don't believe the bluenose propaganda that they were "punished".

This. They weren't 'banished'or 'punished'and they haven't 'returned'. They are a new club, allowed to start in league 2.

[HoboHarry]

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

They didn't have a serious challenge last season either and sevco were back. Or does that one not count either? Absolute nonsense and if you truly believe what you are posting then your comprehension is zero.

[jacomo]

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.


Don't pander to this nonsense.

Huns are trying to make the argument that the OF is the only thing that matters in Scottish football. We 'need' Rangers and Celtc have only won one in a row because any titles without them in the top division are invalid.

This is toxic nonsense. Scottish football needs better, more enlightened leadership - not a return to the days when the OF vetoed everything not in their narrow self-interest.

[majorhibs]

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

Hahahaha! You again. No one in their right mind? But what if, this other person, in whatever mind they possess, has never ever guarded old derrys waws? Ever? What then?

[Just Alf]

Hmmmm

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[Bostonhibby]

Hahahaha! You again. No one in their right mind? But what if, this other person, in whatever mind they possess, has never ever guarded old derrys waws? Ever? What then?

Aw naw, not Deriwalz again, and why the **** does half of Glasgow seem to want to go gardening there? I mean it sounds like its somewhere in eastern europe.

Can't be anything to do with Scottish football.

[Ronniekirk]

It was supposed to be released before the start of the season? Not sure what's going on now?


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No word from Fans Reps about what the hold up is


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[Is It On....]

Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

Just like all of Sevco's achievements are meaningless because of financial doping.

Was he asked about his own £260k EBT payments and incorrect player registration or are these things meaningless as well? I really hope the Inland Revenue start to go after these individuals for the tax (and penalty payments) they are due!

[Ozyhibby]

Was he asked about his own £260k EBT payments and incorrect player registration or are these things meaningless as well? I really hope the Inland Revenue start to go after these individuals for the tax (and penalty payments) they are due!

I don't really care about going after the individuals now. They will all have prepared for it like Ferguson anyway and their wealth will be protected like his has been.
It's not really about stripping the titles that much for me either although that should of course happen and it would bring a smile to my face.
It's about going after the people at the SFA who knew this was going on and are still in position. The SFA is a failing organisation that needs broken up. There is not a single part of its remit where they can say they are doing a good job. What happened with Rangers could easily happen again because there are still no proper FFP rules in Scotland and no proper ministering regime of clubs finances. Given how many clubs have gone bust here, that's an absolute disgrace.



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[CropleyWasGod]

Was he asked about his own £260k EBT payments and incorrect player registration or are these things meaningless as well? I really hope the Inland Revenue start to go after these individuals for the tax (and penalty payments) they are due!

To paraphrase Leigh..."they're deid, mate". :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

Presumably "Super_JGreig" was already taken? :rolleyes:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

Do rangers 9 in a row titles not matter because celtic werent in a position to challenge them?

[The_Todd]

But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

They went bust and they did that all by themselves. There's no "banished" about it.

And you're right, Celtic fans would be saying the same but they'd still be talking nonsense. For quite some time now, almost my entire lifetime, the "title race" has been of no interest to anyone outside the Old Firm anyway. I didn't find myself at the edge of my seat when it was between either bigot brother just as I didn't while Celtic currently run away with it and have it wrapped up by christmas. At least in recent years there's been a real tussle for runners up which has been interesting (and pleasing since the Blue half of the bigot brothers didn't just go right back into second like they pompously assumed they would).

[FilipinoHibs]

Do rangers 9 in a row titles not matter because celtic werent in a position to challenge them?

Exactly financial doping meant nobody was in a position to challenge Rangers playing by the rules. All their trophies dont count during that period.

[AndyM_1875]

Exactly financial doping meant nobody was in a position to challenge Rangers playing by the rules. All their trophies dont count during that period.

Emm.... Rangers 9 in a row was between 1989 and 1997. There were no EBTs then.

David Murray was still an arrogant twat though.

[Keith_M]

He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.


Yeah Gail, I'm sure all your mates on Follow Follow are saying it as well.


The only titles that 'don't count' are the titles won by clubs that were cheating by non-disclosure of side contracts and dubious tax schemes.

[Deansy]

Emm.... Rangers 9 in a row was between 1989 and 1997. There were no EBTs then.

David Murray was still an arrogant twat though.

That's not to say they weren't cheating then, I think it's highly unlikely Murray/Hun only cheated for a particular period of time - more than likely it was throughout the entire period of Murray's ownership.

[Is It On....]

They went bust and they did that all by themselves. There's no "banished" about it.

And you're right, Celtic fans would be saying the same but they'd still be talking nonsense. For quite some time now, almost my entire lifetime, the "title race" has been of no interest to anyone outside the Old Firm anyway. I didn't find myself at the edge of my seat when it was between either bigot brother just as I didn't while Celtic currently run away with it and have it wrapped up by christmas. At least in recent years there's been a real tussle for runners up which has been interesting (and pleasing since the Blue half of the bigot brothers didn't just go right back into second like they pompously assumed they would).

And they didn't go up through the play-offs the year before when Motherwell hammered them.

[Bostonhibby]

Is it worth mentioning again that the people who ran the now defunct Glasgow rangers decided to liquidate the club themselves.

The new team weren't "banished". They applied to join the Scottish leagues and were fortunate that the club that qualified to join the 3rd division didn't join for whatever reason or the new team might have had to wait.

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[Is It On....]

Yeah Gail, I'm sure all your mates on Follow Follow are saying it as well.


The only titles that 'don't count' are the titles won by clubs that were cheating by non-disclosure of side contracts and dubious tax schemes.

Is that where Gail went...??

[Is It On....]

Is it worth mentioning again that the people who ran the now defunct Glasgow rangers decided to liquidate the club themselves.

The new team weren't "banished". They applied to join the Scottish leagues and were fortunate that the club that qualified to join the 3rd division didn't join for whatever reason or the new team might not have had to wait.

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100%!! Facts are facts.

[AndyM_1875]

That's not to say they weren't cheating then, I think it's highly unlikely Murray/Hun only cheated for a particular period of time - more than likely it was throughout the entire period of Murray's ownership.

Fair point Deansy. So then you are into the world of clubs spending money they can't pay back or have no intention of paying back. So pick a club from Scotland who have played in the top flight.
Any one you like excluding St Johnstone and Inverness and credit Rod Petrie of Hibs for tough decisions made at Hibs in 2003 as he saw this whole house of cards falling in on itself.

Your starter for three are Hearts, Dundee and Gretna.:wink:

[flash]

Fair point Deansy. So then you are into the world of clubs spending money they can't pay back or have no intention of paying back. So pick a club from Scotland who have played in the top flight.
Any one you like excluding St Johnstone and Inverness and credit Rod Petrie of Hibs for tough decisions made at Hibs in 2003 as he saw this whole house of cards falling in on itself.

Your starter for three are Hearts, Dundee and Gretna.:wink:

Let's not kid ourselves. Duff and Gray must have shafted plenty of people on behalf of Hibs back in the day. Nobody is immune from snake oil salesmen getting their foot in the door when a club is particularly vulnerable.
That's why i have no appetite for the current witch hunt. They had to form a new club and work their way back up through the divisions.
Aye titles and cups could be taken away from the old Rangers but, in my opinion, most people view this as a chance to keep giving Rangers a kicking.
i fully accept my opinion isn't a popular one but it would suit me just to get back to football starting with turning them over on Saturday.

[Bostonhibby]

Let's not kid ourselves. Duff and Gray must have shafted plenty of people on behalf of Hibs back in the day. Nobody is immune from snake oil salesmen getting their foot in the door when a club is particularly vulnerable.
That's why i have no appetite for the current witch hunt. They had to form a new club and work their way back up through the divisions.
Aye titles and cups could be taken away from the old Rangers but, in my opinion, most people view this as a chance to keep giving Rangers a kicking.
i fully accept my opinion isn't a popular one but it would suit me just to get back to football starting with turning them over on Saturday.After Duffy and Gray the club's non football liabilities were paid under the watchful eye of STF.

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[flash]

After Duffy and Gray the club's non football liabilities were paid under the watchful eye of STF.

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Indeed they were but I don't think for a minute those two charlatans didn't leave a trail of utter carnage behind them.

[Ozyhibby]

Indeed they were but I don't think for a minute those two charlatans didn't leave a trail of utter carnage behind them.

But they didn't deliberately conceal side payments to players outside their contracts registered with the SFA.


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[flash]

But they didn't deliberately conceal side payments to players outside their contracts registered with the SFA.


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I Know. My point is a general one not focusing on the specifics of each incidence.

[connerg]

Indeed they were but I don't think for a minute those two charlatans didn't leave a trail of utter carnage behind them.

They never bumped various public bodies! Including the NHS.

[Bostonhibby]

Indeed they were but I don't think for a minute those two charlatans didn't leave a trail of utter carnage behind them.They did but it wasn't financial thankfully. Duff was dodgy and was played by Rowland on behalf of himself and "others" Gray was a fool who ultimately tried to get out of the mess but was out of his depth completely in my opinion.

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[flash]

They did but it wasn't financial thankfully. Duff was dodgy and was played by Rowland on behalf of himself and "others" Gray was a fool who ultimately tried to get out of the mess but was out of his depth completely in my opinion.

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No worries. I still remember going up to Tynecastle on the open decked bus to ask Hertz shareholders to stand up to Mercer.
Anyway it's just my opinion and what will be will be.

[Bostonhibby]

No worries. I still remember going up to Tynecastle on the open decked bus to ask Hertz shareholders to stand up to Mercer.
Anyway it's just my opinion and what will be will be.I'm with you on this one, they were incompetent or worse and created a near perfect storm from mercer's point of view. If it wasn't for STF, and his man on the ground RP there'd have been a financial mess to sort out as well. [emoji106]

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[AndyM_1875]

They did but it wasn't financial thankfully. Duff was dodgy and was played by Rowland on behalf of himself and "others" Gray was a fool who ultimately tried to get out of the mess but was out of his depth completely in my opinion.

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You are right. Duff was a bull****, snake oil lawyer whose redeeming feature was his refusal to sell to Mercer. Gray talked the talk and I guess his heart was in the right place but he was as you say horribly out of his depth with sharks like Rowland and Mercer.

[Is It On....]

You are right. Duff was a bull****, snake oil lawyer whose redeeming feature was his refusal to sell to Mercer. Gray talked the talk and I guess his heart was in the right place but he was as you say horribly out of his depth with sharks like Rowland and Mercer.

Was Duff found guilty in the Edinburgh University Settlement fraud? Was reading his address prior to his 93' fraud conviction was David Murray Buildings in Swindon 😂😂

[CropleyWasGod]

Was Duff found guilty in the Edinburgh University Settlement fraud? Was reading his address prior to his 93' fraud conviction was David Murray Buildings in Swindon 😂😂

Don't think charges were ever brought.

[blackpoolhibs]

https://www.sfm.scot/on-grounds-for-judicial-review/

Not sure if this has been posted previously, but if so it cant harm to post it again.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.sfm.scot/on-grounds-for-judicial-review/

Not sure if this has been posted previously, but if so it cant harm to post it again.

We are close to the end of the road now. The SFA and SPFL are not going to act now. It's going to be up to the fans to fund a Judicial review. It's the only way to get to the truth of this. If they can get it, I think it will force an implosion at the SFA. Either way, we are close to the end of the process.


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[Bankie]

This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-developing-story/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FIRuC+%28Celtic+Quick+New s%29

[CropleyWasGod]

This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-developing-story/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FIRuC+%28Celtic+Quick+New s%29

"A European force"?

Canny be Hearts. Us, Dunfermline, the Dundee clubs or Aberdeen? :cb

[Hiber-nation]

This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-developing-story/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FIRuC+%28Celtic+Quick+New s%29

Dundee??

[ian cruise]

This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-developing-story/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FIRuC+%28Celtic+Quick+New s%29

This is probably the last you'll hear of it as well, possibly another vague article making out they have some earth shattering scandal they've uncovered.

[aljo7-0]

Don't think charges were ever brought.

I understand that charges have been brought but the trial has been adjourned on at least 3 occasions.

[Bankie]

This is probably the last you'll hear of it as well, possibly another vague article making out they have some earth shattering scandal they've uncovered.

American owners not steeped in the Scottish game could fit the narrative but were Dundee in many Scottish cup finals? And this bit

Today, taped interviews and emails have been seized by the powers-that-be at Hampden, and a formal period of preliminary investigation is now underway.

Seems to turn a bunch of dunderheids into the FBI.

[CropleyWasGod]

I understand that charges have been brought but the trial has been adjourned on at least 3 occasions.

Do you know who against?

The Chief Exec seems to have been an eejit, rather than crooked. But then there's the Duff factor.....

[Ozyhibby]

It's in regard to the Dunfermline V Rangers season decider in which Rangers won 6-0. Documents are believed to relate to Gavin Masterton who also bank rolled Rangers.


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[Ozyhibby]

American owners not steeped in the Scottish game could fit the narrative but were Dundee in many Scottish cup finals? And this bit

Today, taped interviews and emails have been seized by the powers-that-be at Hampden, and a formal period of preliminary investigation is now underway.

Seems to turn a bunch of dunderheids into the FBI.

I doubt the SFA have the powers of seizure. [emoji23]
There does appear to be a fair bit of buzz around this but could just as easily be nothing.


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[Stonewall]

American owners not steeped in the Scottish game could fit the narrative but were Dundee in many Scottish cup finals? And this bit

Today, taped interviews and emails have been seized by the powers-that-be at Hampden, and a formal period of preliminary investigation is now underway.

Seems to turn a bunch of dunderheids into the FBI.

Do the "powers that be at Hampden" have the power to seize anything? Assume it must be the police or am I being thick?

[Bankie]

[QUOTE=Stonewall;5134226]Do the "powers that be at Hampden" have the power to seize anything? Assume it must be the police or am I being thick?[/QUOT

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/lying-down-at-ibrox-the-irony/

This is the follow up. Interesting that the pars are fan owned now and documents may have been passed on. I have been of the view that the sfa/spl could ride this out. However their own diligence in lesser cases regarding mistakes in registration leading to draconian punishments being meted out makes lack of action here a glaring omission. In these instances there are no time bars, see David Walsh's pursuit of Lance Armstrong as a guide. When the inevitable happens sites like hibs.net will receive the plaudits they are due that go way beyond a narrow celtic/rangers agenda.

[CropleyWasGod]

[QUOTE=Stonewall;5134226]Do the "powers that be at Hampden" have the power to seize anything? Assume it must be the police or am I being thick?[/QUOT

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/lying-down-at-ibrox-the-irony/

This is the follow up. Interesting that the pars are fan owned now and documents may have been passed on. I have been of the view that the sfa/spl could ride this out. However their own diligence in lesser cases regarding mistakes in registration leading to draconian punishments being meted out makes lack of action here a glaring omission. In these instances there are no time bars, see David Walsh's pursuit of Lance Armstrong as a guide. When the inevitable happens sites like hibs.net will receive the plaudits they are due that go way beyond a narrow celtic/rangers agenda.Celtic have had a thing about Dunfermline since that day.



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[Ozyhibby]

No news from Traceyhibs on last weeks statement?


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[Argylehibby]

No news from Traceyhibs on last weeks statement?


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At the working together meeting last week LD explained that the board met that morning and they were working on an announcement. She acknowledged that with the game on this Saturday they had considered the timing of the announcement but intended to make the announcement that week. I suspect if they have not agreed the statement before the weekend then they are delaying it until after this w/e so as not to stoke the flames of what could already be a feisty affair. Only a guess mind you and could be miles off the real reason for no announcement yet.

[DCI Gene Hunt]

I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

[Hibee87]

At the working together meeting last week LD explained that the board met that morning and they were working on an announcement. She acknowledged that with the game on this Saturday they had considered the timing of the announcement but intended to make the announcement that week. I suspect if they have not agreed the statement before the weekend then they are delaying it until after this w/e so as not to stoke the flames of what could already be a feisty affair. Only a guess mind you and could be miles off the real reason for no announcement yet.I think that is a safe guess. If we are going to get our tuppence worth in, and know the zombies will react to it then it makes perfect sense to hold of as apposed to throwing petrol on what already will likely be a bit of a poisonous atmosphere

[Super_JMcGinn]

I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

Great post.

[21.05.2016]

I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

This 100%.

Celtic see themselves as the "good guys" and can;t seem to understand why they are disliked.

[Keith_M]

Celtic have had a thing about Dunfermline since that day.



:agree:

They're obsessed with having been cheated that day, in much the same way as our Tynecastle chums blame St Mirren for the failure of their own team to win the league in '86.

[ancient hibee]

It's in regard to the Dunfermline V Rangers season decider in which Rangers won 6-0. Documents are believed to relate to Gavin Masterton who also bank rolled Rangers.


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And bank rolled every other club in the league apart from Celtic.

[aljo7-0]

Do you know who against?

The Chief Exec seems to have been an eejit, rather than crooked. But then there's the Duff factor.....

I only know they were made against him. Not sure about anything of the Trustees

[Ozyhibby]

And bank rolled every other club in the league apart from Celtic.

They tried to put Celtic under which is why Fergus McCann moved bank.


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[Ozyhibby]

I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

It's all about evidence for me. We all know that Hearts were at it under Romanov but we don't have any evidence. I'm sure Celtic have skeletons in the cupboard as well but again we don't have evidence. What we do have is a mountain of evidence that the old Rangers cheated and the SFA helped them. That's why they are the focus of this thread.


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[DCI Gene Hunt]

Rangers were obtuse about it in their arrogance, they got caught with their pants down in many ways.

Celtc are more sleekit with their dealings. However it's still clear to fans of all other non-OF clubs that they have benefitted from very lucrative financial deals and a somewhat cosy relationship with those in charge of the game.

As for Farts, it was clear to even the thickest inbred maroon-tinted moron that Romanov was a dodgy character from the start who the Yams sold their souls to all because Chris Robinson wanted to move them away from their beloved Jobbycastle and it's "brilliant atmosphere" of absbestos, pigeon crap, rotten wooden floorboards and crappy cladding. They've only not been taken to task because the authorities can't be bothered unpicking Mad Vlads dealings, plus he's long since buggered off anyway.

[Betty Boop]

Dunfermline Statement

http://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman%60s_Statement&ID=10114

[CropleyWasGod]

Rangers were obtuse about it in their arrogance, they got caught with their pants down in many ways.

Celtc are more sleekit with their dealings. However it's still clear to fans of all other non-OF clubs that they have benefitted from very lucrative financial deals and a somewhat cosy relationship with those in charge of the game.

As for Farts, it was clear to even the thickest inbred maroon-tinted moron that Romanov was a dodgy character from the start who the Yams sold their souls to all because Chris Robinson wanted to move them away from their beloved Jobbycastle and it's "brilliant atmosphere" of absbestos, pigeon crap, rotten wooden floorboards and crappy cladding. They've only not been taken to task because the authorities can't be bothered unpicking Mad Vlads dealings, plus he's long since buggered off anyway.What lucrative deals have Celtic made that aren't in the normal course of business?

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[lapsedhibee]

Dunfermline Statement

http://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman%60s_Statement&ID=10114

The 'let's look forward, not back' mantra is very wearing. Nevertheless I'm going to try it out the next time I get a tradesman's bill in for some work done. "Let's forget all about the work you did for me last month and instead look forward to the next job you're going to do for me." That should work out fine.

[Spike Mandela]

The 'let's look forward, not back' mantra is very wearing. Nevertheless I'm going to try it out the next time I get a tradesman's bill in for some work done. "Let's forget all about the work you did for me last month and instead look forward to the next job you're going to do for me." That should work out fine.

Hmmm, it's almost like it's a stratetgy agreed amongst a group of people to show some united front against us stupid peasants.

Just what exactly do The Rangers have over these spineless weasels running our game/clubs?

I expect the Dempster/Petrie script to be similar.

[HoboHarry]

Hmmm, it's almost like it's a stratetgy agreed amongst a group of people to show some united front against us stupid peasants.

Just what exactly do The Rangers have over these spineless weasels running our game/clubs?

I expect the Dempster/Petrie script to be similar.
I suspect that it's a wee bit more cynical than that and there may be some quite fearful skeletons in the closet that none of them want becoming visible. Maybe that's the armageddon that Doncaster/Regan were fearful of in 2012.....

[Deansy]

It's all about evidence for me. We all know that Hearts were at it under Romanov but we don't have any evidence. I'm sure Celtic have skeletons in the cupboard as well but again we don't have evidence. What we do have is a mountain of evidence that the old Rangers cheated and the SFA helped them. That's why they are the focus of this thread.


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Only because Vlad's still to be caught - he will some day and when he is, it'll be fun !. The 'Decadent west' always has an allure too strong for these old 'Cold-war submariners' and it's a nap Vlad will be only too willing to spill the beans as part of a deal !

[Smartie]

I quite like the Dunfermline statement.

There appears to be an acknowledgement that their club was badly run, that they shouldn't have done what they had done and that they aren't in a position to point the finger at anyone.

The common features of the clubs who have indulged in the financial doping over the past couple of decades have been a lack of remorse, total delusion, an unwillingness to face up to their crimes and the consequences for the taxpayers/ small businesses/ Lithuanian pensioners/ other football teams/ charities that they happened to stiff along the way.

The fight needs to be led by the clubs who have kept their houses in order and suffered most at the hands of the cheats. Ourselves, Celtic, St Johnstone and all the other clubs that have never seen a creditor or employee go unpaid should carry the fight.

It would be entirely hypocritical for anyone at Dunfermline, Hearts, Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Livingston, Airdrie or any other team I might have forgotten to be getting on their high horses over the Rangers affair, and would easily batted off by the Sevconians with a (not unreasonable) shower of whataboutery.

Dunfermline were perfectly entitled to respond to heavy speculation, which is seriously calling into question the integrity of their club in this way.

:tin hat:

[jacomo]

I quite like the Dunfermline statement.

There appears to be an acknowledgement that their club was badly run, that they shouldn't have done what they had done and that they aren't in a position to point the finger at anyone.

The common features of the clubs who have indulged in the financial doping over the past couple of decades have been a lack of remorse, total delusion, an unwillingness to face up to their crimes and the consequences for the taxpayers/ small businesses/ Lithuanian pensioners/ other football teams/ charities that they happened to stiff along the way.

The fight needs to be led by the clubs who have kept their houses in order and suffered most at the hands of the cheats. Ourselves, Celtic, St Johnstone and all the other clubs that have never seen a creditor or employee go unpaid should carry the fight.

It would be entirely hypocritical for anyone at Dunfermline, Hearts, Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Livingston, Airdrie or any other team I might have forgotten to be getting on their high horses over the Rangers affair, and we easily batted off with a (not unreasonable) shower of whataboutery.

Dunfermline were perfectly entitled to respond to heavy speculation in this way.

:tin hat:


:agree:

The Dunfy chairman sets exactly the right tone - contrition and determination to get their own house in order.

This is a can of worms. It is for, primarily, the SFA to show leadership and ask how it is that a club can cheat for a decade and not get punished.

[Just Alf]

I quite like the Dunfermline statement.

There appears to be an acknowledgement that their club was badly run, that they shouldn't have done what they had done and that they aren't in a position to point the finger at anyone.

The common features of the clubs who have indulged in the financial doping over the past couple of decades have been a lack of remorse, total delusion, an unwillingness to face up to their crimes and the consequences for the taxpayers/ small businesses/ Lithuanian pensioners/ other football teams/ charities that they happened to stiff along the way.

The fight needs to be led by the clubs who have kept their houses in order and suffered most at the hands of the cheats. Ourselves, Celtic, St Johnstone and all the other clubs that have never seen a creditor or employee go unpaid should carry the fight.

It would be entirely hypocritical for anyone at Dunfermline, Hearts, Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Livingston, Airdrie or any other team I might have forgotten to be getting on their high horses over the Rangers affair, and would easily batted off by the Sevconians with a (not unreasonable) shower of whataboutery.

Dunfermline were perfectly entitled to respond to heavy speculation, which is seriously calling into question the integrity of their club in this way.

:tin hat:


:agree:

The Dunfy chairman sets exactly the right tone - contrition and determination to get their own house in order.

This is a can of worms. It is for, primarily, the SFA to show leadership and ask how it is that a club can cheat for a decade and not get punished.

Agree with all that, by highlighting what Dunfy historically did as clearly bringing the game into disrepute he's basically saying the Rangers have also done similar :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

Agree with all that, by highlighting what Dunfy historically did as clearly bringing the game into disrepute he's basically saying the Rangers have also done similar :agree:

Yup. If Dunfermline had a go at Rangers, there would be whataboutery in full cry. Any call for title-stripping would have been met by a call for all of DAFC's results whilst insolvent to be scrubbed... and, while we're at it, HMFC, Dundee, etc etc.

And, in the midst of all of that, the real issues would be missed.

[Ozyhibby]

Are Hibs still planning to release a statement Traceyhibs? Understand we might have wanted to get yesterday's game out the way but this is dragging on a bit.


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[traceyhibs]

Are Hibs still planning to release a statement Traceyhibs? Understand we might have wanted to get yesterday's game out the way but this is dragging on a bit.


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Hi,

Yes we agreed a statement would be made.

Not sure what the delay is but will find out and come back to you.

Thanks

Tracey


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[Ozyhibby]

Hi,

Yes we agreed a statement would be made.

Not sure what the delay is but will find out and come back to you.

Thanks

Tracey


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Cheers.


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[lapsedhibee]

Hi,

Yes we agreed a statement would be made.

Not sure what the delay is but will find out and come back to you.

Thanks

Tracey


Waiting to see if the petition for a replay succeeds? :dunno:

[Jack Hackett]

Hi,

Yes we agreed a statement would be made.

Not sure what the delay is but will find out and come back to you.

Thanks

Tracey


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Hopefully, it's because it reflects the views of the supporters and would have been inflammatory prior to the game.

Appeasement doesn't work. History has shown that it only leads to liberty taking.

[Siralbertkidd]

Hopefully, it's because it reflects the views of the supporters and would have been inflammatory prior to the game.

Appeasement doesn't work. History has shown that it only leads to liberty taking.

dont want this being lost in the current smoke screen being put up by the huns.

[Ozyhibby]

dont want this being lost in the current smoke screen being put up by the huns.

It's fair to say we are being very patient. [emoji3] C'mon Hibs, time to do the right thing even if it's not the easy thing.


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[jacomo]

It's fair to say we are being very patient. [emoji3] C'mon Hibs, time to do the right thing even if it's not the easy thing.




:agree:

Last weekend proved that these ****bags have no scruples.

Let's do them!

[LeithSqualk]

Wonder what the delay is

[HoboHarry]

JJ is stating that Paul Brennan reported yesterday that the SPFL have requested an inquiry into how the game is being run. Could this be why we are keeping our powder dry?

[Ozyhibby]

JJ is stating that Paul Brennan reported yesterday that the SPFL have requested an inquiry into how the game is being run. Could this be why we are keeping our powder dry?

Wasn't that what they asked for in their statement a couple of weeks ago which the SFA are completely ignoring?


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[HoboHarry]

Wasn't that what they asked for in their statement a couple of weeks ago which the SFA are completely ignoring?


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I think Paul Brennan is reporting that the Professional Game Board met yesterday to discuss the request. He also mentions that the press walked out en-masse from Murray Park as they were being filmed. I have no idea if this is true or not but it's very sinister if it is.

[Ozyhibby]

I think Paul Brennan is reporting that the Professional Game Board met yesterday to discuss the request. He also mentions that the press walked out en-masse from Murray Park as they were being filmed. I have no idea if this is true or not but it's very sinister if it is.
I think the press thing is true as the Daily record ran with it yesterday.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-10982768.amp
Haven't heard anything about PGB.


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[Velma Dinkley]

I hardly think Keith Jackson needs to worry about being accused of asking anyone at The Rangers anything too difficult.

[HoboHarry]

I hardly think Keith Jackson needs to worry about being accused of asking anyone at The Rangers anything too difficult.
He did something wrong - he is banned from Murray Park and Ibrox.

[jacomo]

I think the press thing is true as the Daily record ran with it yesterday.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-10982768.amp
Haven't heard anything about PGB.


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I quite enjoyed this.

No love lost between Jackson and Sevco. Good stuff.

[Jack Hackett]

I think the press thing is true as the Daily record ran with it yesterday.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-10982768.amp
Haven't heard anything about PGB.


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Wow! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Raging paranoia and attempted intimidation coming from within ipox now. Is the Big Hoose of Cards beginning to wobble a wee bit?

[HoboHarry]

It genuinely baffles me what hold Fat Jim Traynor has over Sevco. God only knows why they keep him on......

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.thecsa.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1956&sid=a56512644644590259cbb63083217fa1
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I and Association President John Andrews met with Neil Doncaster and Rod McKenzie on Monday night. The reason for the meeting which incidentally was at the request of Mr Doncaster, was for them to explain their position with regards to the Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) Inquiry.

From the outset they both made it clear that they thought that the SPL did everything by the book and that they had no further part to play in accordance with the advice they got from a Senior Counsel.

They also stated that they, the SPFL, were happy to have an Independent Review of Scottish Football as stated about three weeks ago after they elected their new Board. The problem with that is, no Independent Review is worth having unless it also agreed by the SFA, and so far Mr Regan and his cronies have not agreed to a Review.

Mr Doncaster made it very clear that the decision taken by LNS cannot be revisited, the decision to fine Sevco £250,000 is final. Mr McKenzie stressed that all the information held by the SPL was put before LNS, which included the proof of about 51 side letters. But what they cannot answer is, did the SFA act honestly with regards to LNS.

Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.

That’s akin to a High Court Judge telling a convicted criminal that he could face twenty years in jail and the criminal saying I’m not having that. So the Judge says, well ok what about a fine of £250? That will be fine (excuse the pun) your honour.

You have to wonder, if the FWA was good for Scottish Football as a whole, why has it not been made public? According to McKenzie the five signatories would have to agree to that, and he said that wouldn’t happen, but he never told us just exactly who would be opposed to going public, I think they would all oppose it to protect themselves.

Interestingly the SPFL Board backed the call for an Independent Review as proposed by Peter Lawwell at Celtic Football Club, but not one club came out publically and supported Peter Lawwell before the Board went public, which was about three weeks after Peter’s statement.

McKenzie said that club chairmen were backing Celtic, but not in public. I think that proves the point the Bullying and Intimidation by the Sevco Support is actually working, I also think the comments from Ann Budge and Stewart Milne prove that too.

So where do we go from here? Well we’re not beaten yet. We have to force the SFA to back the Independent Review. The only way that can be done is by supporters putting pressure on their own clubs to call for it.

Doncaster claims that the SPFL do not have the power within their rules to strip titles, but the SFA do have that power. So honest supporters throughout the whole of Scottish Football must stand up to the Bullies and Intimidators and force action from your own club’s. This is not a Celtic v Rangers issue, this is Honest and Integrity v Bullies and Intimidators issue. Football has to win, but it can only win if the honest decent supporters unite to make it happen.
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[Tornadoes70]

http://www.thecsa.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1956&sid=a56512644644590259cbb63083217fa1
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I and Association President John Andrews met with Neil Doncaster and Rod McKenzie on Monday night. The reason for the meeting which incidentally was at the request of Mr Doncaster, was for them to explain their position with regards to the Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) Inquiry.

From the outset they both made it clear that they thought that the SPL did everything by the book and that they had no further part to play in accordance with the advice they got from a Senior Counsel.

They also stated that they, the SPFL, were happy to have an Independent Review of Scottish Football as stated about three weeks ago after they elected their new Board. The problem with that is, no Independent Review is worth having unless it also agreed by the SFA, and so far Mr Regan and his cronies have not agreed to a Review.

Mr Doncaster made it very clear that the decision taken by LNS cannot be revisited, the decision to fine Sevco £250,000 is final. Mr McKenzie stressed that all the information held by the SPL was put before LNS, which included the proof of about 51 side letters. But what they cannot answer is, did the SFA act honestly with regards to LNS.

Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.

That’s akin to a High Court Judge telling a convicted criminal that he could face twenty years in jail and the criminal saying I’m not having that. So the Judge says, well ok what about a fine of £250? That will be fine (excuse the pun) your honour.

You have to wonder, if the FWA was good for Scottish Football as a whole, why has it not been made public? According to McKenzie the five signatories would have to agree to that, and he said that wouldn’t happen, but he never told us just exactly who would be opposed to going public, I think they would all oppose it to protect themselves.

Interestingly the SPFL Board backed the call for an Independent Review as proposed by Peter Lawwell at Celtic Football Club, but not one club came out publically and supported Peter Lawwell before the Board went public, which was about three weeks after Peter’s statement.

McKenzie said that club chairmen were backing Celtic, but not in public. I think that proves the point the Bullying and Intimidation by the Sevco Support is actually working, I also think the comments from Ann Budge and Stewart Milne prove that too.

So where do we go from here? Well we’re not beaten yet. We have to force the SFA to back the Independent Review. The only way that can be done is by supporters putting pressure on their own clubs to call for it.

Doncaster claims that the SPFL do not have the power within their rules to strip titles, but the SFA do have that power. So honest supporters throughout the whole of Scottish Football must stand up to the Bullies and Intimidators and force action from your own club’s. This is not a Celtic v Rangers issue, this is Honest and Integrity v Bullies and Intimidators issue. Football has to win, but it can only win if the honest decent supporters unite to make it happen.
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I agree.

I don't think this issue will ever be fully exorcised and Scottish football moved on from it until there is action taken by the authorities in some form or other of either stripping the titles or putting an asterisk and explanation against the titles.

They (Regan, Nimmo Smith etc) have taken us the ordinary football fans for mugs with the conspiracy to sweep this whole charade under the carpet.

Its time to cleanse the situation by declaring they titles null and void and publicly apologising to us the fans for the conspiracy to deceive.

Then we can all move forward in unison for the good of the game without the stink of the conspiracy.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Hibs07p]

This wee bit of info is reported in todays Scottish Daily Mail (paper) page 77 at the end of IRN-BRU CUP ROUND-UP,

"Meanwhile, the SPFL have opened disciplinary proceedings against Albion Rovers for fielding an inelegible player in their Irn-Bru cup victory over Spartans on Tuesday. Liam McGuigan was on the bench as Rovers won 5-4 in a penalty shoot out after a goalless 120 minutes at Cliftonhill. Both teams will be entered into in todays draw, pending the outcome of the proceedings."

Any predictions on how the SPFL are going to spin this one?

Especially as Spartans were kicked out of the Scottish Cup for some stupid error, and have a vested interest, and a precedent has been set regarding SEVCOS "imperfect but legible" registrations of players over countless years. I hope this gets very messy.

Spartans were dealt with the SFA, but rules are rules.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/15672375

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[greenginger]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/11/dundee-united-docked-three-points-for-fielding-two-ineligible-pl/

Well they docked Dundee United 3 points for fielding 2 ineligible youth players.


They enforce the rules , except when Sevco is concerned.

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/11/dundee-united-docked-three-points-for-fielding-two-ineligible-pl/

Well they docked Dundee United 3 points for fielding 2 ineligible youth players.


They enforce the rules , except when Sevco is concerned.

They being us. The SFA are a membership organisation and our chairman is a Vice President. Hibs appear quite happy to allow this system to carry on where one club is treated differently to all the others. Our silence is embarrassing.


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[greenginger]

They being us. The SFA are a membership organisation and our chairman is a Vice President. Hibs appear quite happy to allow this system to carry on where one club is treated differently to all the others. Our silence is embarrassing.


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It was the SPFL that docked the points not the SFA.

[Ozyhibby]

It was the SPFL that docked the points not the SFA.

Same applies though. Both are just the clubs.
It's the SFA that is in charge of player registrations though and they have ultimate responsibility for the governance of the game in Scotland. If they wanted to make sure that one club was not being advantaged over all others they could have stepped in at any time. I'd like to know why Hibs think this is ok?


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[Tornadoes70]

The whole thing stinks of cover up and mendacity by the Scottish footballing authorities along with the establishment figure nimmo smith. I hope a judicial review is forthcoming to open up the can of worms. Fairness is the overarching quality required in sport and when one club is set above others by the authorities it becomes rigged. It requires cleansing.

[Spike Mandela]

http://www.thecsa.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1956&sid=a56512644644590259cbb63083217fa1
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I and Association President John Andrews met with Neil Doncaster and Rod McKenzie on Monday night. The reason for the meeting which incidentally was at the request of Mr Doncaster, was for them to explain their position with regards to the Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) Inquiry.

From the outset they both made it clear that they thought that the SPL did everything by the book and that they had no further part to play in accordance with the advice they got from a Senior Counsel.

They also stated that they, the SPFL, were happy to have an Independent Review of Scottish Football as stated about three weeks ago after they elected their new Board. The problem with that is, no Independent Review is worth having unless it also agreed by the SFA, and so far Mr Regan and his cronies have not agreed to a Review.

Mr Doncaster made it very clear that the decision taken by LNS cannot be revisited, the decision to fine Sevco £250,000 is final. Mr McKenzie stressed that all the information held by the SPL was put before LNS, which included the proof of about 51 side letters. But what they cannot answer is, did the SFA act honestly with regards to LNS.

Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.

That’s akin to a High Court Judge telling a convicted criminal that he could face twenty years in jail and the criminal saying I’m not having that. So the Judge says, well ok what about a fine of £250? That will be fine (excuse the pun) your honour.

You have to wonder, if the FWA was good for Scottish Football as a whole, why has it not been made public? According to McKenzie the five signatories would have to agree to that, and he said that wouldn’t happen, but he never told us just exactly who would be opposed to going public, I think they would all oppose it to protect themselves.

Interestingly the SPFL Board backed the call for an Independent Review as proposed by Peter Lawwell at Celtic Football Club, but not one club came out publically and supported Peter Lawwell before the Board went public, which was about three weeks after Peter’s statement.

McKenzie said that club chairmen were backing Celtic, but not in public. I think that proves the point the Bullying and Intimidation by the Sevco Support is actually working, I also think the comments from Ann Budge and Stewart Milne prove that too.

So where do we go from here? Well we’re not beaten yet. We have to force the SFA to back the Independent Review. The only way that can be done is by supporters putting pressure on their own clubs to call for it.

Doncaster claims that the SPFL do not have the power within their rules to strip titles, but the SFA do have that power. So honest supporters throughout the whole of Scottish Football must stand up to the Bullies and Intimidators and force action from your own club’s. This is not a Celtic v Rangers issue, this is Honest and Integrity v Bullies and Intimidators issue. Football has to win, but it can only win if the honest decent supporters unite to make it happen.
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Time for Hibs to stand up and be counted. This silence should not be what this club is about.


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We really as a support should be making demands on Petrie to explain his role in the five way agreement. It stinks that he is complicit in this whitewash whilst some people still think he is the author of 'sporting integrity'.

Fan reps....over to you.

[Ozyhibby]

We really as a support should be making demands on Petrie to explain his role in the five way agreement. It stinks that he is complicit in this whitewash whilst some people still think he is the author of 'sporting integrity'.

Fan reps....over to you.

It's funny that this is the only area where the club appear to be failing just now and it happens to be Petrie's responsibility. Probably just a coincidence.


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[HoboHarry]

Same applies though. Both are just the clubs.
It's the SFA that is in charge of player registrations though and they have ultimate responsibility for the governance of the game in Scotland. If they wanted to make sure that one club was not being advantaged over all others they could have stepped in at any time. I'd like to know why Hibs think this is ok?


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I believe unequivocally that Sevco are holding something over everyone - perhaps something that could land some to criminal charges? How else could outsiders like Regan, Doncaster and now Budge be silenced so quickly?

[HoboHarry]

It's funny that this is the only area where the club appear to be failing just now and it happens to be Petrie's responsibility. Probably just a coincidence.


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I think historic is probably the correct word.....

[Ozyhibby]

Any word on the statement the Hibs board agreed to release at the last board meeting Traceyhibs?


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[Tornadoes70]

I believe unequivocally that Sevco are holding something over everyone - perhaps something that could land some to criminal charges? How else could outsiders like Regan, Doncaster and now Budge be silenced so quickly?

I think the position at the yams is one that could be easily explained by the can of worms that would be opened up by their own dirty laundry being aired. How were a club like the yams ever able to get into a position of owing 30 odd million squid over many years without being wound up before the criminal Romanov took over is beyond me. They should have been put into administration or liquidated long before the crook took over.

Regan and Doncaster were probably bullied into succumbing to the orders of the huns that occupy high places. The huns and to a lesser extent the yams are not known as establishment clubs for nothing.

[HoboHarry]

I think the position at the yams is one that could be easily explained by the can of worms that would be opened up by their own dirty laundry being aired. How were a club like the yams ever able to get into a position of owing 30 odd million squid over many years without being wound up before the criminal Romanov took over is beyond me. They should have been put into administration or liquidated long before the crook took over.

Regan and Doncaster were probably bullied into succumbing to the orders of the huns that occupy high places. The huns and to a lesser extent the yams are not known as establishment clubs for nothing.
Perhaps but that could easily be brushed away by blaming Mad Vlad for everything - not the case with Sevco - the main players are all still around.....

[Tornadoes70]

Perhaps but that could easily be brushed away by blaming Mad Vlad for everything - not the case with Sevco - the main players are all still around.....

Fair points indeed.

Some might say Vlad was ushered in to create the scenario he did with the events having been foreseen beforehand. Just like the continuity fog that was created around oldco/newco. Best laid plans and all that.

Its a jungle out there with some of the best brains in the country used for highly dubious and mendacious purposes.

[Crazyhorse]

It's funny that this is the only area where the club appear to be failing just now and it happens to be Petrie's responsibility. Probably just a coincidence.


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Yes and the silence is not going to make this go away.....

[Siralbertkidd]

Yes and the silence is not going to make this go away.....

Yet another day passes......

[euro Hibby]

I think the manager has taken care of replying himself so the club probably sees no need to step in. Media storm in a tea cup.....part 2 maybe Saturday when the Yams go calling.........

[Jack Hackett]

I think the manager has taken care of replying himself so the club probably sees no need to step in. Media storm in a tea cup.....part 2 maybe Saturday when the Yams go calling.........

They're referring to Hibs statement in regards to historical cheating and title stripping

[euro Hibby]

ok my mistake .......thanks ! I have every faith they will get around to it........

[marinello59]

It's funny that this is the only area where the club appear to be failing just now and it happens to be Petrie's responsibility. Probably just a coincidence.


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And what if you don't like the statement they put out.
I'd rather they concentrated on getting it right on the pitch for us rather than getting distracted by fans demands to give Sevco another good kicking.

[Jack Hackett]

ok my mistake .......thanks ! I have every faith they will get around to it........

:aok:

[connerg]

And what if you don't like the statement they put out.
I'd rather they concentrated on getting it right on the pitch for us rather than getting distracted by fans demands to give Sevco another good kicking.
:top marksWe gave them a good kicking last week and in the Scottish Cup Final. There's still plenty karma to come for them! Statement or no statement.

[MrSmith]

And what if you don't like the statement they put out.
I'd rather they concentrated on getting it right on the pitch for us rather than getting distracted by fans demands to give Sevco another good kicking.

I don't think we will like it! However, we live in an environment where people can retrospectively claim back finances from banks due to mis-selling of PPI etc therefore, all those fans who put money into season tickets to support their respective cubs, should or could, claim back the money again through mis-selling of this particular rigged system.

No matter what, this isn't going away! Thousands of fans invested thousand of pounds - in good faith - over the term of the Rangers cheating! They have every right to demand justice or receive compensation for nefarious circumstance/means.

[Ozyhibby]

And what if you don't like the statement they put out.
I'd rather they concentrated on getting it right on the pitch for us rather than getting distracted by fans demands to give Sevco another good kicking.

It has absolutely zero to do with Sevco.
It's about us standing up for good governance in Scottish football. It won't matter how much we concentrate on putting a good team on the park if we still end up also rans due to other teams running unsustainable business models taking pipping us to lucrative European places and cup wins.
Bad enough it happened once but shame on us if we let it happen again. And that is exactly what Sevco are doing right now.
In my opinion Hibs silence on this is very poor.
We haven't heard back from Traceyhibs for a few days now so no idea what's happening?


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[marinello59]

It has absolutely zero to do with Sevco.
It's about us standing up for good governance in Scottish football. It won't matter how much we concentrate on putting a good team on the park if we still end up also rans due to other teams running unsustainable business models taking pipping us to lucrative European places and cup wins.
Bad enough it happened once but shame on us if we let it happen again. And that is exactly what Sevco are doing right now.
In my opinion Hibs silence on this is very poor.
We haven't heard back from Traceyhibs for a few days now so no idea what's happening?


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If it has nothing to do with Sevco then a simple statement saying the club will be helping to ensure that the rules are rigid enough to prevent this happening again should be sufficient then.

[Ozyhibby]

If it has nothing to do with Sevco then a simple statement saying the club will be helping to ensure that the rules are rigid enough to prevent this happening again should be sufficient then.

The rules as they stand are not rigid enough to prevent it happening again and therefor we need to know exactly what happened previously to make the necessary changes.
No rules regarding player registrations were changed since LNS, so Sevco (or any other team) now know that a fine is all that awaits them if they decide to run a dual contract scheme again. We need to get to the bottom of why the SFA feels the need to only enforce its own rules against other clubs but not Rangers. We can't do any of that until we know exactly what went on.
Sevco this season are spending far more than they are making. If they pip us to European footy and maybe a cup and then go into admin next season, what are we to do? Just concentrate on getting our own team again for the next season? It's like being the clean rider at the back of the peloton. You get to feel a little bit smug but nobody else in the world gives a **** or even knows who you are. Is that all we want for Hibs?


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[Stonewall]

If it has nothing to do with Sevco then a simple statement saying the club will be helping to ensure that the rules are rigid enough to prevent this happening again should be sufficient then.

No because nothing has changed or will change to make such a statement believable. The SFA are still favouring Rangers (FFP regs) and the people responsible for the mess are still in position.

I'm not expecting to like what I hear either, but at least I'll know where we stand and I can decide whether I want to continue to watch a competition where I can't trust what I'm watching.

I'm sick to death of it too, but it doesn't mean to say that the truth should not be brought out and acknowledged. Then we can move on.

[Siralbertkidd]

Hi,

Yes we agreed a statement would be made.

Not sure what the delay is but will find out and come back to you.

Thanks

Tracey


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[Kaiser1962]

Perhaps but that could easily be brushed away by blaming Mad Vlad for everything - not the case with Sevco - the main players are all still around.....

Whats Campbell Ogilvie doing these days? Is self sufficient Southern still at Dundee United?

[Ozyhibby]

Whats Campbell Ogilvie doing these days? Is self sufficient Southern still at Dundee United?

Ogilvie works as a matchday delegate for UEFA now.


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[Ozyhibby]

any reason given for delay Tracey?

Tracey been silent for a week now as well.



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[Keith_M]

Tracey been silent for a week now as well.



I presume because she's been told there's an announcement to be made, but she's not party to the details, so no point posting anything she knows nothing about.

This is soley about Petrie, Dempster, et al, and whether they think it's worth the bother rocking the boat. IMO, there will either be NO announcement, or it'll be something bland about 'time to move on'.

[Ozyhibby]

I presume because she's been told there's an announcement to be made, but she's not party to the details, so no point posting anything she knows nothing about.

This is soley about Petrie, Dempster, et al, and whether they think it's worth the bother rocking the boat. IMO, there will either be NO announcement, or it'll be something bland about 'time to move on'.

As it was decided at board level to release a statement and a time scale was set then it's surprising that the management of the club have not done what was agreed at board level. It's also a bit surprising that a member of the board does not know why?
I'm not sure how these things work though so happy to wait and see what's going on.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2017/08/21/a-history-of-unusual-payments-at-ibrox/


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[Tornadoes70]

https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2017/08/21/a-history-of-unusual-payments-at-ibrox/


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They rightly highlight serious question marks over potential tapping up of players as per the payments made to Souness and Smith. However I suspect Andrew Dickson like the rest of the hired staff was merely doing the job expected of him by the puppet masters. David Murray was the overall puppet master and its he who should be facing investigations into any potential wrongdoing.

[Ozyhibby]

They rightly highlight serious question marks over potential tapping up of players as per the payments made to Souness and Smith. However I suspect Andrew Dickson like the rest of the hired staff was merely doing the job expected of him by the puppet masters. David Murray was the overall puppet master and its he who should be facing investigations into any potential wrongdoing.

AndrewDickson was at the very heart of the EBT scheme and was central to the concealment from the SFA. That he now works for the SFA is a disgrace and is one of the reason they won't investigate. He should be banned from football for life.
After the war they didn't just let all the camp commandants off because it was Hitler that was the real bad egg.


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[Ozyhibby]

Still nothing from Traceyhibs?


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[Super_JMcGinn]

Still nothing from Traceyhibs?


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Why don't you send Tracey a message? Do you seriously think she has time to respond to your every question?

Give it a break man.

[Siralbertkidd]

Why don't you send Tracey a message? Do you seriously think she has time to respond to your every question?

Give it a break man.

It was Tracey that said she would come back here with the answer as to why the delay.

[Ozyhibby]

Why don't you send Tracey a message? Do you seriously think she has time to respond to your every question?

Give it a break man.

How many have I asked her? Strange reply. If you had been following the thread you would know that Tracey had said she would get back to us as she did not know what the hold up was with the statement the board had agreed to release.
No need to be so aggressive.


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[Bostonhibby]

Why don't you send Tracey a message? Do you seriously think she has time to respond to your every question?

Give it a break man.

Fans rep mate, on a subject like this it certainly goes with the territory, was on the go before during and after the election. An expectation was set and I think the guy is reasonably asking where the delivery is.

For what it's worth I think Tracey is hamstrung by whatever reason the board excluding the reps has decided to delay.

[Super_JMcGinn]

How many have I asked her? Strange reply. If you had been following the thread you would know that Tracey had said she would get back to us as she did not know what the hold up was with the statement the board had agreed to release.
No need to be so aggressive.


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Sorry if you took my post as aggressive, I just think you're being a bit unfair on Tracey here when there are more senior members on the board you could ask.

I have written 3 personal emails to Leann about various subjects and had an answer on each occasion, I'm sure you would too if you were to ask her.

I'm confident the board are doing everything in Hibs best interest surrounding the matter and making a statement for the sake of it would serve no purpose.

I don't know if you have noticed but it's only a handful of posters who seem to care about this subject and in no way when you keep using the term WE are you speaking on behalf of anything like the majority of Hibs supporters.

[Ozyhibby]

Sorry if you took my post as aggressive, I just think you're being a bit unfair on Tracey here when there are more senior members on the board you could ask.

I have written 3 personal emails to Leann about various subjects and had an answer on each occasion, I'm sure you would too if you were to ask her.

I'm confident the board are doing everything in Hibs best interest surrounding the matter and making a statement for the sake of it would serve no purpose.

I don't know if you have noticed but it's only a handful of posters who seem to care about this subject and in no way when you keep using the term WE are you speaking on behalf of anything like the majority of Hibs supporters.

Lucky you. When I wrote to Hibs on this issue, I never even got a courtesy reply.
I'm not being unfair on Tracey at all. She is that fans rep on the board and had promised to get back to us on this issue. I'm sure she will. It's you who is suggesting she doesn't have enough time to do the job.
As for how many fans care, maybe it is just a minority interest. Does that make it any less worthwhile? Are the interests of all minorities to be ignored?


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[MrSmith]

Sorry if you took my post as aggressive, I just think you're being a bit unfair on Tracey here when there are more senior members on the board you could ask.

I have written 3 personal emails to Leann about various subjects and had an answer on each occasion, I'm sure you would too if you were to ask her.

I'm confident the board are doing everything in Hibs best interest surrounding the matter and making a statement for the sake of it would serve no purpose.

I don't know if you have noticed but it's only a handful of posters who seem to care about this subject and in no way when you keep using the term WE are you speaking on behalf of anything like the majority of Hibs supporters.

that's why there is only 1295 pages? There are more than a few and I'd guess the majority of Hibs fans want this dealt with asap and see justice done.

[Super_JMcGinn]

Lucky you. When I wrote to Hibs on this issue, I never even got a courtesy reply.
I'm not being unfair on Tracey at all. She is that fans rep on the board and had promised to get back to us on this issue. I'm sure she will. It's you who is suggesting she doesn't have enough time to do the job.
As for how many fans care, maybe it is just a minority interest. Does that make it any less worthwhile? Are the interests of all minorities to be ignored?


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Did you write to leann personally? I think she was quoted as saying she would always reply to any email, and she most certainly did to mine.

Tracey is the fans rep but I'm sure she also has a life of her own and the job as a fans rep is not a 24/7 one, if she said she would get back to you I'm sure she will.

I still think you're better off directing these questions to more senior board members though.

[Mango Man]

Lucky you. When I wrote to Hibs on this issue, I never even got a courtesy reply.
I'm not being unfair on Tracey at all. She is that fans rep on the board and had promised to get back to us on this issue. I'm sure she will. It's you who is suggesting she doesn't have enough time to do the job.
As for how many fans care, maybe it is just a minority interest. Does that make it any less worthwhile? Are the interests of all minorities to be ignored?


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You do seem to get on the reps back quite a bit, I understand keeping them on their toes due to lack of communication with previous reps etc, but I'm sure once she has the info, then she will post it.

[Super_JMcGinn]

that's why there is only 1295 pages? There are more than a few and I'd guess the majority of Hibs fans want this dealt with asap and see justice done.

Then your guess would be wrong Mr. Smith, read back and you will see the same posters repeatedly, with I suspect a few not so undercover celtic fans thrown in along the way with a low-post-count.

[MrSmith]

Then your guess would be wrong Mr. Smith, read back and you will see the same posters repeatedly, with I suspect a few not so undercover celtic fans thrown in along the way with a low-post-count.

Don't think so. I've followed this from the outset and clearly folk are upset by the cheating.

[Ozyhibby]

You do seem to get on the reps back quite a bit, I understand keeping them on their toes due to lack of communication with previous reps etc, but I'm sure once she has the info, then she will post it.

I think you might be confusing me with someone else? This is the only question I've asked of the reps. I briefly spoke to Amit about this same issue but that's it.
I understand that they are not full time but this is a fairly big issue and as the rest of the club is being run pretty well just now then I don't think it's too much to ask for some feedback on this?


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[Ozyhibby]

Did you write to leann personally? I think she was quoted as saying she would always reply to any email, and she most certainly did to mine.

Tracey is the fans rep but I'm sure she also has a life of her own and the job as a fans rep is not a 24/7 one, if she said she would get back to you I'm sure she will.

I still think you're better off directing these questions to more senior board members though.

What would be the point of having fans reps on the board if we have to go to Leeann anytime we want to know what's going on? I'm not really following the logic of that? That would just undermine the position of the fans reps. I don't want to do that.


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[Mango Man]

I think you might be confusing me with someone else? This is the only question I've asked of the reps. I briefly spoke to Amit about this same issue but that's it.
I understand that they are not full time but this is a fairly big issue and as the rest of the club is being run pretty well just now then I don't think it's too much to ask for some feedback on this?


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Apologies if it isn't yourself I am thinking about, I thought I had seen you posting a few previous posts in the past regarding reps and their communication, memory is rather hazy though.

[brog]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;5149376]How many have I asked her? Strange reply. If you had been following the thread you would know that Tracey had said she would get back to us as she did not know what the hold up was with the statement the board had agreed to release.
No need to be so aggressive.


You asked a question which was really a statement, " no answer from Tracey Hibs?" I'm also keen to know where we stand on the issue but as others have said posting rhetorical questions on here is unlikely to provide that answer. I agree a Fans' rep has responsibilities but this is a historic issue which I think only more seasoned members of our Board can answer.

[Ozyhibby]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;5149376]How many have I asked her? Strange reply. If you had been following the thread you would know that Tracey had said she would get back to us as she did not know what the hold up was with the statement the board had agreed to release.
No need to be so aggressive.


You asked a question which was really a statement, " no answer from Tracey Hibs?" I'm also keen to know where we stand on the issue but as others have said posting rhetorical questions on here is unlikely to provide that answer. I agree a Fans' rep has responsibilities but this is a historic issue which I think only more seasoned members of our Board can answer.

I know Tracey checks the thread regularly so was just posting in case she had forgotten about it.



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[blackpoolhibs]

You do seem to get on the reps back quite a bit, I understand keeping them on their toes due to lack of communication with previous reps etc, but I'm sure once she has the info, then she will post it.

Fans reps are fans reps, they take the rough with the smooth. At least Tracey has done what she said she'd do, and come on here and other various web sites and give us updates on whats happening.

The other rep promised he'd be more media friendly, but I have not seen much of this and Tracey seems to be the one left to take all the flack.

[hibee_nation]

The board don't want to make a statement and hope it all blows over. Cowards.

[hibee_nation]

Fans reps are fans reps, they take the rough with the smooth. At least Tracey has done what she said she'd do, and come on here and other various web sites and give us updates on whats happening.

The other rep promised he'd be more media friendly, but I have not seen much of this and Tracey seems to be the one left to take all the flack.

Don't think he'll be back till election time :greengrin

[greenlex]

The board don't want to make a statement and hope it all blows over. Cowards.
I think they will but it will be after the SFA have dealt with Lennon.

[Scott Allan Key]

Then your guess would be wrong Mr. Smith, read back and you will see the same posters repeatedly, with I suspect a few not so undercover celtic fans thrown in along the way with a low-post-count.

Just because people don't post on this thread, doesn't mean they don't want action taken against cheating and preventative measures put in place to stop cheating. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has very rarely posted here (if at all) who reads the thread and cares about the Scottish game.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sorry if you took my post as aggressive, I just think you're being a bit unfair on Tracey here when there are more senior members on the board you could ask.

I have written 3 personal emails to Leann about various subjects and had an answer on each occasion, I'm sure you would too if you were to ask her.

I'm confident the board are doing everything in Hibs best interest surrounding the matter and making a statement for the sake of it would serve no purpose.

I don't know if you have noticed but it's only a handful of posters who seem to care about this subject and in no way when you keep using the term WE are you speaking on behalf of anything like the majority of Hibs supporters.


he's certainly not speaking on YOUR behalf, eh Gail


keep up the good work ozyhibby, hopefully the vile hun bigots get those stolen leagues taken off of them :)

[Jack Hackett]

I think they will but it will be after the SFA have dealt with Lennon.

For what?

[greenlex]

For what?
Ibrox giruy gesture. Mixu was dealt with for similar. I'll be surprised if Lennon wont be too.

[Jack Hackett]

Ibrox giruy gesture. Mixu was dealt with for similar. I'll be surprised if Lennon wont be too.

As far as I know, there's been no letter of complaint from the compliance officer, which usually arrives within a couple of days. They'd also look a bit silly disciplining him for something the police have looked at and dismissed. I think we've heard the last of it.

[Phil MaGlass]

Then your guess would be wrong Mr. Smith, read back and you will see the same posters repeatedly, with I suspect a few not so undercover celtic fans thrown in along the way with a low-post-count.

I think you will find that most of us want hese *******s dealt with properly,but not all of us feel the need to post regularly on this thread due to the legal nature of the cases, I for one cant get my head round alot of it but doesnt mean I dont want justice for Scottish fitba, or commas.

[hhibs]

Then your guess would be wrong Mr. Smith, read back and you will see the same posters repeatedly, with I suspect a few not so undercover celtic fans thrown in along the way with a low-post-count.


Suspect it is you, who are in a minority on this issue.

[greenlex]

As far as I know, there's been no letter of complaint from the compliance officer, which usually arrives within a couple of days. They'd also look a bit silly disciplining him for something the police have looked at and dismissed. I think we've heard the last of it.

You may well be correct but just because he did nothing illegal doesn't mean he hasn't done something that contravenes football governance. Bringing the game into disrepute springs to mind. He may be off the hook as there were mitigating circumstances that the SFA might not want to rake over for their own selfish reasons. I would think that football would be in a worse state however if opposition managers wee allowed on a weekly basis give opposition fans a Giryu gesture. Like I said I'd be surprised if he isn't dealt with. I don't think Hibs would make any statements prior to that.

[Billy Whizz]

You may well be correct but just because he did nothing illegal doesn't mean he hasn't done something that contravenes football governance. Bringing the game into disrepute springs to mind. He may be off the hook as there were mitigating circumstances that the SFA might not want to raid over for their own selfish reasons. I would think that football would be in a worse state however if opposition managers wee allowed on a weekly basis give opposition fans a Giryu gesture. Like I said I'd be surprised if he isn't dealt with. I don't think Hibs would make any statements prior to that.

They said on Sportsound at the weekend that he will probably be cited for it. The delay was because the compliance officer was busy last week with all the appeals

[Jack Hackett]

You may well be correct but just because he did nothing illegal doesn't mean he hasn't done something that contravenes football governance. Bringing the game into disrepute springs to mind. He may be off the hook as there were mitigating circumstances that the SFA might not want to raid over for their own selfish reasons. I would think that football would be in a worse state however if opposition managers wee allowed on a weekly basis give opposition fans a Giryu gesture. Like I said I'd be surprised if he isn't dealt with. I don't think Hibs would make any statements prior to that.

Hit the nail right on the head. They would be risking the whole sectarian question being back on the front pages. Not going to happen imo

[Jack Hackett]

They said on Sportsound at the weekend that he will probably be cited for it. The delay was because the compliance officer was busy last week with all the appeals

Possibly Billy. Even allowing for that, I think tomorrow would have to be a reasonable limit for something to be said. Appeals were dealt with on Thursday

[Billy Whizz]

Possibly Billy. Even allowing for that, I think tomorrow would have to be a reasonable limit for something to be said. Appeals were dealt with on Thursday

I agree 100%

[Jack Hackett]

They said on Sportsound at the weekend that he will probably be cited for it. The delay was because the compliance officer was busy last week with all the appeals

Thinking again on what Sportsound said, it's entirely possible that they're talking through their extra holes. Why would the compliance officer be involved in the appeals? Those appeals were against red cards which did not involve him.

[Ozyhibby]

Re. Andrew Dickson
https://thecelticblog.com/2017/08/blogs/andrew-dicksons-continued-involvement-with-the-sfa-is-a-calculated-insult-to-all-fans/amp/


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[Siralbertkidd]

It must be some statement to have to be kept under wraps for so long.
If we are waiting on a "good time" to release it, it might never happen!

[Ozyhibby]

It must be some statement to have to be kept under wraps for so long.
If we are waiting on a "good time" to release it, it might never happen!

Be good if Traceyhibs could come back and give us an update on what's happening.
The board obviously agreed a course of action that has not been followed through on by the management. Does this happen a lot? Does it happen in other businesses?



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[MrSmith]

Be good if Traceyhibs could come back and give us an update on what's happening.
The board obviously agreed a course of action that has not been followed through on by the management. Does this happen a lot? Does it happen in other businesses?



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Its very odd they would agree to make a statement allowing the fan rep to post a date and time for it then, nothing for weeks after it was to be delivered??

[Since90+2]

It might be the case that the club have put the feelers out to other clubs to see if anyone else would be releasing a similar statement and nobody was forthcoming. The board might then have decided against releasing a statement when it will have very little or no impact.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Whatever happens we need to back the manager, this sectarianism needs to at least be punished, I can't see it ever ending.

[plhibs]

Two clubs have said "lets all move on". Nothing has been said by any other clubs, I think they are all hoping that the silence will make it go away. They have either been told to keep quite or for some reason are too scared to go against the powers at the top.
That thought, if correct, makes me sick to my stomach.

[Ozyhibby]

It might be the case that the club have put the feelers out to other clubs to see if anyone else would be releasing a similar statement and nobody was forthcoming. The board might then have decided against releasing a statement when it will have very little or no impact.

If the board have decided that then Traceyhibs needs to let us know. I doubt there has been a board meeting since it was decided to release the statement though so I doubt it's that.


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[stantonhibby]

If the board have decided that then Traceyhibs needs to let us know. I doubt there has been a board meeting since it was decided to release the statement though so I doubt it's that.


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Why don't you just email her ?

[Ozyhibby]

Why don't you just email her ?

Because she agreed to update us on here.


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[flash]

Why don't you just email her ?

Not much self publicity in an e-mail.

[Keith_M]

There's going to be no title stripping, no (meaningful) statement from Hibs and the new Rangers aren't going bust any time soon so... maybe it's time to put this thread in the vault?


:dunno:

[CropleyWasGod]

There's going to be no title stripping, no (meaningful) statement from Hibs and the new Rangers aren't going bust any time soon so... maybe it's time to put this thread in the vault?


:dunno:

Series 7, with the various Court cases looming, will keep us going for a while, and keep Ozy off the streets.:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Series 7, with the various Court cases looming, will keep us going for a while, and keep Ozy off the streets.:greengrin

I'll end up on the streets if I don't get some work done. [emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

Not much self publicity in an e-mail.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

£15m roof repair?
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/08/23/signs-of-the-times/
Let's hope so.


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[Bostonhibby]

£15m roof repair?
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/08/23/signs-of-the-times/
Let's hope so.


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[oldbutdim]

If the board have decided that then Traceyhibs needs to let us know. I doubt there has been a board meeting since it was decided to release the statement though so I doubt it's that.


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Last I heard was that two Board members who had not been in attendance were to be consulted on the statement.

Maybe one or the other or both had strong views which has delayed the release, or led to a re-consideration?

Just a thought.

[JeMeSouviens]

that's why there is only 1295 pages? There are more than a few and I'd guess the majority of Hibs fans want this dealt with asap and see justice done.

Exactly. Hun sympathisers that want to move on are Gail and .... nope, can't think of any others. :wink:

[Deansy]

They said on Sportsound at the weekend that he will probably be cited for it. The delay was because the compliance officer was busy last week with all the appeals

I reckon it's more than likely Lennon being cited is what Sportsound/BBC would like to see happen - keeps them on side with 'Club 1690' (or whatever daft-date these Hun-clowns hold important !) and the rest of their genetic throwbacks !

[jacomo]

£15m roof repair?
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/08/23/signs-of-the-times/
Let's hope so.


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He doesn't seem to know what 'emergency board meeting' means, judging by the emphasis put on the word 'emergency'.

An EBT is just a board meeting outwith the usual schedule, not necessarily a response to an actual emergency.

Those banners over the stairs at Ibrox though - wtf?

Ibrox is a listed building for a reason - it is actually a very impressive example of stadium architecture. Do the current custodians of the club care about this at all?

[Hibs07p]

He doesn't seem to know what 'emergency board meeting' means, judging by the emphasis put on the word 'emergency'.

An EBT is just a board meeting outwith the usual schedule, not necessarily a response to an actual emergency.

Those banners over the stairs at Ibrox though - wtf?

Ibrox is a listed building for a reason - it is actually a very impressive example of stadium architecture. Do the current custodians of the club care about this at all?

Is he not refering to the Glasgow Councils Safety Advisory Group having an emergency meeting to discus the safety issues at Ibrox, and why no action has been taken, if indeed it was an emergency issue, all of 9 months ago?

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[Ozyhibby]

Minutes of meeting between Doncaster and Mackenzie with Celtic supporters association.
http://celticunderground.net/doncaster-mckenzie-fans-media-meeting/
And a little bit about David Murray
http://celticunderground.net/david-murray-not-fit-proper/


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[Ozyhibby]

I see Albion Rovers have been kicked out the Irn Bru cup for fielding an improperly registered player.
Wonder why these rules don't apply to all clubs?


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[Deansy]

Minutes of meeting between Doncaster and Mackenzie with Celtic supporters association.
http://celticunderground.net/doncaster-mckenzie-fans-media-meeting/
And a little bit about David Murray
http://celticunderground.net/david-murray-not-fit-proper/


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'This led to a conversation about whether someone like that should ever be allowed back in our game. Doncaster set out why he had issues with Fit & Proper tests but when pressed on whether Murray would be allowed back he stated that he hadn’t asked back, but if he did, he would not be allowed back in our game – that David Murray is persona non grata'

Aye right - if/when Murray ever does attempt to get back into Scottish Football you can bet Doncaster and Regan will be at the front of the queue waiting to welcome him back with open arms .................. and wallets !!

[Spike Mandela]

I see Albion Rovers have been kicked out the Irn Bru cup for fielding an improperly registered player.
Wonder why these rules don't apply to all clubs?


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The brass neck on these corrupt ****ers is unbelievable. They're just laughing at us all now, taking the piss.

[Deansy]

'Michael O'Halloran not my type of player' says Pedro

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41051268

'You need to feel this responsibility. It's not harder to wear this badge, you just need to be the right one'

Cant argue with you there, Pedro - it certainly takes a 'right one' to have anything to do with your club and in you, they've definitely found a 'right one' !

[Siralbertkidd]

The brass neck on these corrupt ****ers is unbelievable. They're just laughing at us all now, taking the piss.

Spot on. The disappointment for me is that out board is in hiding, and so are reps we voted on to add transparency.

[Ozyhibby]

Spot on. The disappointment for me is that out board is in hiding, and so are reps we voted on to add transparency.

Looking like they have went native on us. So much for transparency.


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[Chorley Hibee]

Our board and their continuing silence, and lies regards a forthcoming statement, leave them complicit in this whole scandal.

As supporters we've been conned for countless years by this saga, and our board seem entirely unconcerned by this. They are seemingly happy for the status quo to resume and prepared to do nothing in the name of "sporting integrity".

When the board require us - we hear from them immediately.

When we require our board however the silence is deafening, and that goes for our " representatives " too.

[Super_JMcGinn]

Our board and their continuing silence, and lies regards a forthcoming statement, leave them complicit in this whole scandal.

As supporters we've been conned for countless years by this saga, and our board seem entirely unconcerned by this. They are seemingly happy for the status quo to resume and prepared to do nothing in the name of "sporting integrity".

When the board require us - we hear from them immediately.

When we require our board however the silence is deafening, and that goes for our " representatives " too.

Unless you're a celtic fan who cares? Hibs board will be concentrating on all things Hibs and rightly so.

There's a few posters with a low post count on this thread taking an unhealthy interest if you ask me and slagging off Tracey for no reason, she's not the only board member.

[Stonewall]

Unless you're a celtic fan who cares? Hibs board will be concentrating on all things Hibs and rightly so.

There's a few posters with a low post count on this thread taking an unhealthy interest if you ask me and slagging off Tracey for no reason, she's not the only board member.

I agree with you about it being unfair to slag off Tracey, but you don't think this concerns Hibs...seriously?

[Super_JMcGinn]

I agree with you about it being unfair to slag off Tracey, but you don't think this concerns Hibs...seriously?

If we were going to be awarded any titles I would be all for it, we're not. I can't see where it affects us at all.

It's a celtic driven subject and it's only them who'll benefit.

[Ozyhibby]

Tracey is the board member who was liaising with the fans on this issue on this thread. Nobody is holding her responsible for whatever happens, just her decision to stop keeping us informed.


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[Billy Whizz]

Tracey is the board member who was loading with the fans on this issue on this thread. Nobody is holding her responsible for whatever happens, just her decision to stop keeping us informed.


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How do you know it's her decision to not post, unfair criticism on her
It's the CEO/Rod you should be aiming your fury, certainly not Tracey/Frank

[Super_JMcGinn]

Tracey is the board member who was loading with the fans on this issue on this thread. Nobody is holding her responsible for whatever happens, just her decision to stop keeping us informed.


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:yawn:

[Ozyhibby]

How do you know it's her decision to not post, unfair criticism on her
It's the CEO/Rod you should be aiming your fury, certainly not Tracey/Frank

If someone is stopping Tracey from posting she should say so. It's not fury, just concern.


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[Billy Whizz]

If someone is stopping Tracey from posting she should say so. It's not fury, just concern.


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Ok no fury😄

[Ozyhibby]

:yawn:

Other, less boring threads are available.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

:yawn:


instead of making dafty posts on this thread GAIL why don't you just ignore the thread altogether ? common sense eh ?

[Super_JMcGinn]

instead of making dafty posts on this thread GAIL why don't you just ignore the thread altogether ? common sense eh ?

Hiya troll.... Hiya pal.

You certainly make your fair share of dafty posts yourself, but you carry on snowflake :nerd:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hiya troll.... Hiya pal.

You certainly make your fair share of dafty posts yourself, but you carry on snowflake :nerd:



snowflake ? you suit your girls name gail, fruitcake


and as for trolling...well ermmm you appear obsessed with ozyhibby... sweetpea

[Stonewall]

If we were going to be awarded any titles I would be all for it, we're not. I can't see where it affects us at all.

It's a celtic driven subject and it's only them who'll benefit.

Well we were playing in a league for 10 years or so which was rigged in favour of the team playing out of Ibrox and the football authorities are still favouring them.

Surely it's in everybody's interests to have proper governance in the sport.

The authorities are covering their own backs and it serves their purposes to portray the whole thing as a Rangers v Celtic spat, but it really is a lot bigger than that and you're falling into their trap.

[Onion]

Well we were playing in a league for 10 years or so which was rigged in favour of the team playing out of Ibrox and the football authorities are still favouring them.

Surely it's in everybody's interests to have proper governance in the sport.

The authorities are covering their own backs and it serves their purposes to portray the whole thing as a Rangers v Celtic spat, but it really is a lot bigger than that and you're falling into their trap.

:top marks

[Chorley Hibee]

Unless you're a celtic fan who cares? Hibs board will be concentrating on all things Hibs and rightly so.

There's a few posters with a low post count on this thread taking an unhealthy interest if you ask me and slagging off Tracey for no reason, she's not the only board member.

How many posts are required before I'm allowed to air an opinion?

I can also assure you I am a Hibs supporter of 30 years, but becoming increasingly disturbed by our board and their silence on the matter. I've emailed the club with my concerns, yet (not for the first time) I've been ignored.

This also follows on from their silence and inaction on the incidents involving the treatment of our support and manager at Ibrox in December 2015. Once again I contacted the club, but once again I, and others, were ignored.

They always find the time to contact me when it comes to purchasing season tickets or spending money though - just not when it comes to answering valid questions posed over the governance of our game and upholding "sporting integrity".

This involves every single club in Scotland, not just Celtic, and to think otherwise is either naive or blind.

The silence of the these clubs is shameful, and I'm embarrassed that we are one of them.

[HoboHarry]

How many posts are required before I'm allowed to air an opinion?

I can also assure you I am a Hibs supporter of 30 years, but becoming increasingly disturbed by our board and their silence on the matter. I've emailed the club with my concerns, yet (not for the first time) I've been ignored.

This also follows on from their silence and inaction on the incidents involving the treatment of our support and manager at Ibrox in December 2015. Once again I contacted the club, but once again I, and others, were ignored.

They always find the time to contact me when it comes to purchasing season tickets or spending money though - just not when it comes to answering valid questions posed over the governance of our game and upholding "sporting integrity".

This involves every single club in Scotland, not just Celtic, and to think otherwise is either naive or blind.

The silence of the these clubs is shameful, and I'm embarrassed that we are one of them.
:agree:

[Ozyhibby]

Well we were playing in a league for 10 years or so which was rigged in favour of the team playing out of Ibrox and the football authorities are still favouring them.

Surely it's in everybody's interests to have proper governance in the sport.

The authorities are covering their own backs and it serves their purposes to portray the whole thing as a Rangers v Celtic spat, but it really is a lot bigger than that and you're falling into their trap.

Great post


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[JeMeSouviens]

snowflake ? you suit your girls name gail, fruitcake


and as for trolling...well ermmm you appear obsessed with ozyhibby... sweetpea

More like obsessed with the Huns, when not trying to get Hibby pitch invaders in bother. :rolleyes:

[Skol]

Tracey is the board member who was liaising with the fans on this issue on this thread. Nobody is holding her responsible for whatever happens, just her decision to stop keeping us informed.


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Clearly she has been gagged. At the very least she should say that things have changed and there will be no statement but she cant go in to detail. These fans reps are really not a good idea. They promise better communication until in the role when clearly they can no longer communicate

Decent people, but something changes when in role

[HoboHarry]

Clearly she has been gagged. At the very least she should say that things have changed and there will be no statement but she cant go in to detail. These fans reps are really not a good idea. They promise better communication until in the role when clearly they can no longer communicate

Decent people, but something changes when in role
In the broader picture, I've been saying this for ages. It's too simplistic to accuse Regan, Doncaster et al of being the GFA. They are both English and have no lifelong history up here and yet look how quickly they were silenced? Same with Ann Budge - what is it (in precise terms) that Sevco have over the authorities that makes all of them instantly kowtow to them? No-one is addressing that, even JJ and Phil Mac which genuinely surprises me.

[majorhibs]

Unless you're a celtic fan who cares? Hibs board will be concentrating on all things Hibs and rightly so.

There's a few posters with a low post count on this thread taking an unhealthy interest if you ask me and slagging off Tracey for no reason, she's not the only board member.

Unless your a sevco fan, you WOULD care that the team you paid to watch for 10 years were being cheated. Get that sevco fan. CHEATED!