Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Dashing Bob S]

The majority of us want the end-result of all this 'court-action/money problems' concerning the Hun, is to see (hopefully) the total and utter implosion of them, along with their partners-in-grime at the GFA. Ashley's reasons for doing what he's doing may be different from ours but as 'Ozyhibby' says -

'one club is playing by different rules and the governing body is helping them'

So anything and anyone that damages either of these two disgusting 'entities' is fine by me !


When two loathsome forces collide, all the civilised chap can do is sit back and enjoy the spectacle, hoping for damage maximisation.

[Jack]

As far as Sports Direct is concerned I've known a few folk that have worked / are working there. None had any particular grips other than the odd **** manager. Once they become managers the bonuses are pretty spectacular. Having said that many managers leave just after bonus time!

I have also known people who have worked for the government, at all levels, Standard Life and other insurance companies, the RBS and other banks who have all had a lot worse to say about their employer.

For Scottish football though I think he may be a double edged sword, maybe even more edges than that!

I hope, if what has been suggested regarding King is true, then he doesn't go after Scottish football with the same fervour and there's something left at the end of it to take the game forward in a sustainable way.

[Spike Mandela]

Mike Ashley and Dave King desrve each other and we should be glad they have nothing to do with our club.

The only concern we should have as bystanders to this farce is that we don't watch their odious club being giving unfair advantage and rules bent by our gutless, arse covering authorities at the expense of ourselves and others.

[blackpoolhibs]

Mike Ashley and Dave King desrve each other and we should be glad they have nothing to do with our club.

The only concern we should have as bystanders to this farce is that we don't watch their odious club being giving unfair advantage and rules bent by our gutless, arse covering authorities at the expense of ourselves and others.

The one good thing about Ashley getting involved with these vile creatures is everything is coming out in the wash, and the authorities will find it very difficult to brush things under the carpet without everyone being able to scrutinise it. :thumbsup:

[FranckSuzy]

As far as Sports Direct is concerned I've known a few folk that have worked / are working there. None had any particular grips other than the odd **** manager. Once they become managers the bonuses are pretty spectacular. Having said that many managers leave just after bonus time!

I have also known people who have worked for the government, at all levels, Standard Life and other insurance companies, the RBS and other banks who have all had a lot worse to say about their employer.

For Scottish football though I think he may be a double edged sword, maybe even more edges than that!

I hope, if what has been suggested regarding King is true, then he doesn't go after Scottish football with the same fervour and there's something left at the end of it to take the game forward in a sustainable way.

:hmmm: Here
(http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/09/how-sports-direct-effectively-pays-below-minimum-wage-pay)
"Temporary workers at Sports Direct, the booming retail chain controlled by the billionaire Mike Ashley, are receiving effective hourly rates of pay below the minimum wage, an investigation by the Guardian can reveal.

Warehouse staff at the group, which is controlled by Britain’s 22nd richest man, are required to go through searches at the end of each shift, for which their time is unpaid, while they also suffer harsh deductions from their wage packets for clocking in for a shift just one minute late.

The practices contribute to many staff being paid an effective rate of about £6.50 an hour against the statutory rate of £6.70 – potentially saving the FTSE 100 firm millions of pounds a year at the expense of some of the poorest workers in the UK". Nice.

[greenginger]

https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman?lang=en

Action starting at the Courts, King told to dispose of his coffee ! :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

James Doleman ‏@jamesdoleman 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman/status/674901315106037760) Judge to SD counsel "Do you think the court should grant an injunction to stop people commenting on information in the public domain"

Judge 'is your client interested in having a relationship with Mr King or do you just want to grind him into the dust?"

Judge brings up issue of SD "bobble hats" with f*** King on them. "How does that help"

[Hibby70]

think its fair to say King is walking away from court today.

[Moulin Yarns]

James Doleman ‏@jamesdoleman 8s9 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman/status/674902492300361728) SD counsel asks for part of hearing to be heard in private to preserve confidentiality http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/taunt%20smiley.gif

[greenginger]

James Doleman ‏@jamesdoleman 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman/status/674901315106037760) Judge to SD counsel "Do you think the court should grant an injunction to stop people commenting on information in the public domain"

Judge 'is your client interested in having a relationship with Mr King or do you just want to grind him into the dust?"

Judge brings up issue of SD "bobble hats" with f*** King on them. "How does that help"


I think it would be good if the judge trashes Sports Direct's case and awards costs against them.

Might make Big Mike turn really nasty ! :greengrin

[Jim44]

https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman?lang=en

Action starting at the Courts, King told to dispose of his coffee ! :greengrin

Some of the tweets give the impression that the judge is anti SD/MA and pro DK.

[Bostonhibby]

think its fair to say King is walking away from court today.

Could be the case if the court decides that however the info got into the public domain it's there now. Who'd have thought someone associated with the rangers could do something contrary to the law and for there to be little or no consequences :wink:

[Treadstone]

Some of the tweets give the impression that the judge is anti SD/MA and pro DK.

Dolemans crowdfunding plea was principally being shared on Celtic minded social media.
Although it's fair to say his tweets on actual proceedings are pretty straight down the line.

[Jim44]

It's a win win for us popcorn munchers ........... Ashley taken to the cleaners or King further blackened .......... take your pick. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Judge muses that disclosure of documents at general meetings of Rangers shareholders may not be a breach of the undertaking.


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[Ozyhibby]

William McCormack for the defence says documents under discussion are already "all over the press"


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[Moulin Yarns]

Could be the case if the court decides that however the info got into the public domain it's there now. Who'd have thought someone associated with the rangers could do something contrary to the law and for there to be little or no consequences :wink:

William McCormack for the defence says documents under discussion are already "all over the press"

[Ozyhibby]

Judge rises to allow press to consider whether to sign document to be bound by confidentiality on certain case documents.


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[Ozyhibby]

Assembled media and public have signed a confidentiality undertaking on reference to certain documents in court.


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[Jack]

:hmmm: Here
(http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/09/how-sports-direct-effectively-pays-below-minimum-wage-pay)
"Temporary workers at Sports Direct, the booming retail chain controlled by the billionaire Mike Ashley, are receiving effective hourly rates of pay below the minimum wage, an investigation by the Guardian can reveal.

Warehouse staff at the group, which is controlled by Britain’s 22nd richest man, are required to go through searches at the end of each shift, for which their time is unpaid, while they also suffer harsh deductions from their wage packets for clocking in for a shift just one minute late.

The practices contribute to many staff being paid an effective rate of about £6.50 an hour against the statutory rate of £6.70 – potentially saving the FTSE 100 firm millions of pounds a year at the expense of some of the poorest workers in the UK". Nice.

Oh, I'm not saying its the best place to work, I've read these reports and watched the TV documentary. I think in comparison to so called exemplar employers, like the government used to claim it was :brickwall, its far from being the worst. It doesn't make it OK though.

[Ozyhibby]

Court takes a short break while issue of confidential documents dealt with


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[Ozyhibby]

Dave King offers to sign the document. He's informed he's not a member of the public so does not have to do so.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge passes confidentiality order. Tells press we will go to jail if we break it.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Commercial relationship between SD & Rangers for some years. Joint venture company which sells Rangers-branded goods under licence.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Our group has been providing loan facilities. Second tranche of £5m not drawn down.


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[Ozyhibby]

Rangers say Mike Ashley was repaid his £5m loan yesterday. Securities will not be released until final working day of this year.


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[Ozyhibby]

Sports Direct's QC says he was unaware the £5m had been repaid.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge questioning nature of initial SD deal. Points out it was entered at important stage in survival of the club.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Judge questioning nature of initial SD deal. Points out it was entered at important stage in survival of the club.


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Are you there?

[Ozyhibby]

Most tweets are from Grant Russell today. James Doleman a bit quieter.


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[Ozyhibby]

Are you there?

No, just cutting and pasting Grant Russell and James Doleman who are. For some reason, when I copy their tweets, their names are not on it like usual.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Most tweets are from Grant Russell today. James Doleman a bit quieter.


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that's what I was thinking. Ta.

[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Your case is that Mr Ashley can tell the press anything he likes about a meeting. Mr King can't acknowledge he went to a meeting.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: It was an interview about Mr King, his status in South Africa and his 32,000 or so bottles of wine. Gary Player also mentioned.


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[Ozyhibby]

Court told confidentiality agreement was signed by former RIFC director Sandy Easedale


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge now questioning SD assertion King had authority to speak on behalf of company. Says directors would have to give said permission.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge notes a director is not always speaking for the company when speaking to the media.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: You've got to establish he was authorised to make the statement by Rangers directors. If not, your case is dead in the water.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: If you don't prove the company expressly authorised King to make this statement, you are completely dead in the water.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: You've got no evidence that board or Rangers authorised this statement?


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Our opposition is that Mr King had knowledge of significance of the order.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Sports Direct tells court he disbelieves King's affadavit.


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[Ozyhibby]

King has given the court an affadavit saying he was unaware of details of confidentiality agreement when he spoke to Sky Sports


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[Ozyhibby]

King gave written statement to court saying he did not know detail of confidentiality agreement at time of TV interview.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD discussing Sky interview. Judge says argument must be that detail of confidential discussion were put in public domain.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Sports Direct notes that ignorance of the order itself is no defence


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[Ozyhibby]

QC Counsel for Sports Direct notes that ignorance of the order itself is no defence


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge notes press have "a tendency to invent things" asks for proof King said was attributed to him


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[Ozyhibby]

The judge says he is aware the press have a tendency to invent things. Asks for proof King said something which breached agreement.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Mr King may be liable if he knew the order and acted on the impression he was speaking on behalf of Rangers.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge says King may be guilty of contempt but that does not mean Rangers are as no proof board authorised his statement


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[Ozyhibby]

Court now being told details of how last court injunction was served on Rangers. Counsel says was sent to their office


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[Ozyhibby]

Court shown email sent to King from James Blair about the confidentiality order. SD counsel says proves King untruthful in affadavit.


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[Ozyhibby]

In Kings affadavit he says he did not fully read the order and did not believe in banned him discussing "the fact of meetings"


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[Ozyhibby]

SD arguing over an email from King acknowledging existence of order. Judge querying whether that extended to discussion of meetings.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Mr King said that on oath. Do I disbelieve him? You [SD] haven't proved to a criminal standard this extended to discussion of meeting


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Can hardly be clearer he sent an email acknowledging. Judge says King said on oath he didn't read injunction in detail.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge notes that email alone is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt although his affadavit may be "difficult to accept"


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[Ozyhibby]

King statement read out: I did not review the injunction in detail at that time as James Blair had provided restriction in body of email.


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[Ozyhibby]

In Kings affadavit he states he did not open attachment in email from James Blair


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: The consequences of going to prison are quite severe for [King]. He could say goodbye going to US for forseeable future (for example)


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge notes that King is a "successful businessman" and sending him to prison would have 'serious consequences'


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asks SD to prove King wilfully disregarded the order. Says SD should have asked for King to be cross-examined in court.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: One could hardly look for clearer evidence in him having admitted he received an important email headlined "URGENT: Draft order".


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge questions why SD have not applied for King to give oral evidence as then he could have 'judged his statements for myself"


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: There cannot be reasonable doubt he had knowledge of the order.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Sports Direct calls King's position "completely implausible"


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[Hibee87]

Judge notes that King is a "successful businessman" and sending him to prison would have 'serious consequences'


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This judge sounds very incompetent.

So just because you are a successful businessman means your exempt form the law and court orders now?

[Ozyhibby]

SD: It is wholly implausible Mr King (didn't understand email). Judge retorts that it "amazes me" how people act in this regard these days.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: If he was saying I didn't get the email, that would be one thing. He isn't. He's not saying he wasn't aware of the order.


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[Benny Brazil]

Sounds like the judge is leaning towards RIFC

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD says they only have to show King's "knowledge of the order" not his "understanding of it"


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[Hibee87]

Sounds like the judge is leaning towards RIFC

Leaning? he is firmly sat on their side of the fence

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds like the judge is leaning towards RIFC

I'm not so sure. I think he is just argumentative. We will see when Sevco lawyer gets up.


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[Moulin Yarns]

This judge sounds very incompetent.

So just because you are a successful businessman means your exempt form the law and court orders now?


Someone I am aware who was successful businessman was sentenced o2 years in Perth precisely because he was successful. The evidence of 35,000 text messages on his phone relating to drug transactions was kind of damning

[Treadstone]

Leaning? he is firmly sat on their side of the fence

Or the law.

[Ozyhibby]

Seems to be a break just now. Kings defence that he did not bother to read the court judgement is pretty poor, even to my untrained legal mind.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD notes that each director of Rangers was sent a copy of court order.


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[Kato]

This judge sounds very incompetent.

So just because you are a successful businessman means your exempt form the law and court orders now?

This is the UK in the 21st Century. Of course if you are a "successful businessman" means you are above certain aspects of the law.

[Ozyhibby]

As mentioned previously, SD currently discussing the detail of how the notice of order was served. Copy to all Rangers directors.


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[Ozyhibby]

Court now going over details of how summons served on King


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[Kato]

Seems to be a break just now. Kings defence that he did not bother to read the court judgement is pretty poor, even to my untrained legal mind.



Judge sounds like he might be amenable to such a defence seeing as King is a "successful businessman".

[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Mr King was never evasive. You [SD] made a conscious decision not to serve him out of jurisdiction (in South Africa).


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Decision made not to serve King with the order personally at a meeting. Order was simply left at home address of other directors.


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[Kato]

Sounds like the judge is leaning towards RIFC

Must be having one trouser leg rolled up that causes some kind of weight differential.

[Treadstone]

I think that John James' gobsh*tery guesswork has lulled people into thinking this was a slam dunk.

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD asked why other officers of RIFC have not been summoned to court along with King?


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[Ozyhibby]

Paraphrasing the judge: Effect is that if you establish a limited company is in the contempt... directors can be pursued.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge "is there any particular reason you picked on Mr King?"


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[Ozyhibby]

Discussion between SD and judge continues to centre around how the order was served, who on and the responsibility of company directors.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD says breach carried out by King personally, hence why he is in court


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[CropleyWasGod]

Discussion between SD and judge continues to centre around how the order was served, who on and the responsibility of company directors.


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This is the heart of the case.

[Hibee87]

Judge "is there any particular reason you picked on Mr King?"


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Because King is the only one to discuss the off limit things in the media :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

SD: Did King act in a way which was breach of order? And in doing so was he doing so on behalf of Rangers?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: You've got to persuade me he was in breach because he discussed the contents of certain discussions.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Start with the revelation of the discussions.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD, there was a meeting on 12 June between King and Ashley which should not have been disclosed to media


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asks if SD leaked details of meeting to press. SD say no. Judge asks if Mr Ashley has said so on oath.


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[Ozyhibby]

In an email King blames "The leak of our meeting by the Ashley camp."

SD counsel denies that was what occured


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[Ozyhibby]

"If you want an injunction you have to come here with clean hands" judge tells counsel for Sports Direct


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[Ozyhibby]

Emails show King asked Sports direct to join him in issuing a 'joint statement" over June meeting


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Does Mike not communicate with the press sometimes? We don't know that Mike didn't leak it. Just that Justin Barnes is unaware of it.


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[Ozyhibby]

Email from SD shown to court, denies ever communicating with "Phil Mcgivery"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: I've still not seen the contents you say were discussed [in TV interview]. SD: I'm coming to that.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: There's an allegation by Mr King that we leaked it. No evidence. Judge: "Mike" hasn't disproved that.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD counsel King alleged SD briefed the press about June meeting. "You have not denied it" judge says. "Not part of this case" he replies


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Having difficulty with argument that mention of discussions breaches agreement. Yet to hear argument of content.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: What's the cost of this exercise so far? It's nigh on £400,000 for both sides isn't it? Nods from King and co.

[emoji3]


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: How much are the costs? It's nearly £200,000 each side isn't it? SD: It probably is. Rangers: It is £300,000 for this aspect.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Rangers says their costs so far are around £300,000


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: What prompted these proceedings was what was going to happen at EGM.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: It's alright for you to call an EGM for you to discuss the loan? How would that work? Mr King couldn't discuss the loan.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: What did you call an EGM for then? Rangers point out it was called by MASH Holdings, not Sports Direct.


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[Ozyhibby]

Rangers clarify EGM was called to call for repayment of loan.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Why did Mr Ashley arrange a meeting with Mr King on same day [as EGM] several hundred miles apart. Which one was he supposed to go to


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Why did Ashley do that if not simply to cause trouble?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asking why Ashley and King met on same day as Rangers EGM. Was Ashley "just trying to cause trouble" he asks?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: You were explaining to me why Mr Ashley called two meetings for Mr King to attend hundreds of miles apart at same time...


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: What's the harm in saying in interview it was a "good meeting"?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: You come to court saying all very important. I'm trying desperately to find out what is so damaging about King referring to meeting?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge notes that King did not criticise Ashley during the Sky interview "I can't see what the harm is here" he notes


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: There's no point sending anyone to prison for 30 days. What is your argument? Tell me.


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[Ozyhibby]

"What is so damaging about revealing the existence of a meeting that a man should go to jail?" judge asks SD counsel


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: It's not enough to say you have a contractual right. What is do damaging about the revelation of the existence of a meeting?


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[Since90+2]

Sounds like SD are getting a hammering here.

[MrSmith]

Gotta say, the judge is well on top of this and making MA SD look like twats! And that is definitely what they look like at the moment!

[Ozyhibby]

Judge pressing SD counsel on issue of what "harm" was done by King's comments


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge gives counsel "one last chance" yo answer the "harm question"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: I'll ask the question once more.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD outlining discussions in e-mails between two parties.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge "Mr Ashley is an investor in 2 football clubs, that attracts comment, often critical"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge referring to fact Mr Ashley will receive great deal of criticism from football fans but should be "well used to that".


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asks once again what the damage is of King revealing existence of meeting. Now "last chance" for SD to answer.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD ask solicitors if there is anything to add.


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[silverhibee]

SSN.

£5m paid back to Mike Ashley last night.

[GreenPJ]

"What is so damaging about revealing the existence of a meeting that a man should go to jail?" judge asks SD counsel


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Surely it is the lawyer's job to persuade him that some breach took place and therefore if there is guilt (or not). The punishment is then up to the judge to decide on but sounds as if the judge is trying to almost avoid the issue of if there is guilt or not. :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

SD: I am not repeating myself. Concern about media coverage is specifically about the commercial arrangement between SD and Rangers.


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[hibs0666]

£300K+ taken out of Scottish football to deal with the utter drivel being discussed in a London court today. I truly despair.

[Ozyhibby]

Judge: SD put loan arrangements in public domain when called for EGM? SD: No. Judge: They must have done.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Gotta say, the judge is well on top of this and making MA SD look like twats! And that is definitely what they look like at the moment!

I can see this ending up with the judge knocking their heads together and telling them to sort out their differences in the playground

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel says concern is not about Ashley personally but the commercial agreements made by Sports Direct


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[Treadstone]

£300K taken out of Scottish football to deal with the utter drivel being discussed in a London court today. I truly despair.

Explain ?

[Ozyhibby]

Debate is continuing between SD and judge about the existence of the meeting, the revelation of such and why it is complained.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: 3/4 of your arguments are put King in prison for referring to existence of a meeting.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge to counsel for SD "3 out of 4 of your complaints are just Mr King discussing existance of meetings"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: It is your inability or reluctance to make clear damage is sustained by King referring to existence of meeting.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Natural remedy for any breach of contract is damages. SD: I have to differ in your view. Judge: You show me authority.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Fundamental principle is that natural remedy for breach of contract is damages. Got to be some real harm.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Prospect of real harm if contents of meetings put in public domain. "Staggered" want King in prison for revealing existence of talks


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[happiehibbie]

the judge is a mason supporting
rangers fan :)

[Moulin Yarns]

This has been better than a matchday thread :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds to me like the judge will fine Sevco


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[Deansy]

Looking like King has a bigger 'Brother' than MA ...............

[Moulin Yarns]

Sounds to me like the judge will fine Sevco


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what have they done wrong though?

[Ozyhibby]

Judge says Ashley may not like being in the public eye bit could "just ignore" press speculation


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: I've been talking to you for the last 40 minutes about the existence of the meeting.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: I am with you 100% on enforcing confidentiality agreement on King putting private matters in public domain. Not at the moment.


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[Ozyhibby]

Rangers: There haven't been any other meetings [between Ashley and King].


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD says cant confirm if Ashley and King have had further meetings 'are you worried your client is going to sue you?" Judge quips


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for King tells court there have been no further meetings between Ashley and King


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[Ozyhibby]

"you've made your bed and you have to lie in it" judge tells counsel for Sports Direct


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asking for evidence of King discussing contents of the meeting in Sky Sports interview.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge says that he has still not been told what part of the meeting with Ashley King is alleged to have revealed.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge now reading excerpts from the transcript of the King/Sky interview. "You want to put him in prison for that paragraph?"


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD notes King said to Sky News be wanted to "restructure relationship"

"And you want to put him in prison for that?" judge asks


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: What harm does [the paragraph] have?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: There isn't any [harm], is there?


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[StevieC]

£300K+ taken out of Scottish football to deal with the utter drivel being discussed in a London court today. I truly despair.

£300k+ taken out of RIFC (or possibly SD depending on how this goes) not Scottish Football. And given that RFC bumped a lot more people for a hell of a lot more, I don't see how they can expect any sympathy? :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

SD: There has been a continuous stream of comment. Judge: But not by Mr King? SD: Yes.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: The more comment there is, the more speculation there is in the press.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge says that if King had revealed the 7 year notice period "the secure accommodation would have loomed pretty quickly"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: You want me to punish him for being in flagrant breach of the court order? SD: Yes.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: This is not a situation where Mr King is being buttonholed as he gets in a car. This is an interview he arranged [with Sky].


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Mr King liaised with Rangers press team before interview. He said things to Sky which were expressly prohibited by injunction.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for SD tells court "this was an interview he arranged, the injunction meant he could not comment at all"


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Point we make in Sky interview is journalist has gone to some length in considerable detail.


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[Ozyhibby]

King's affadavit says "I cannot recall if all the quotes in the article were made by me"


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[Ozyhibby]

King written statement states he cannot fully recall if all quotes were his.


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[Ozyhibby]

"I cannot remember the exact words attributed to me," King statement reads. Judge asks SD to prove the words were his.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: King denies in witness statement he breached the order.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: King has pointed out correctly words attributed in article don't appear in interview. You have to persuade me journalist is accurate.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: Just because journalists say something, it isn't always true. In football world, it's amazing how much is attributed to people.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: Point I'm making is totally implausible journalist would have made up 15 lines of very detailed reported speech from King.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: It's not 15 lines. It's seven.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asking if Mr King and the journalist had a nice lunch and if any of the 32,000 bottles of wine... tails off.


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[Hibee87]

Im confused, the interview was on television no? so the journalists are just writing what he said in the interview on sky :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

Judge on Sky reporter Jim Whyte "Did Mr King give him a nice lunch and refreshments? A bottle of wine?"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: This would all be resolved by you putting Mr King in the box, whites of the eyes, and ask if what the journalist said was true.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: King says I can't recall if those words are what I said.


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[Ozyhibby]

SD: He is not saying they weren't spoken, he says he cannot recall.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: have you contacted the journalist? SD: Not as far as I am aware. Judge: Why not? Perfect piece of evidence.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: You want me to send him to prison on a hearsay statement?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge: He says on oath he didn't think he had his Rangers hat on (during interview).


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge suggests SD counsel has "fallen into a trap" by not having King give evidence.


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[Ozyhibby]

Sports Direct QC finishes. Judge says he "needn't trouble" Rangers. Application dismissed.


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[Ozyhibby]

All over. Big win for King.


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[Ozyhibby]

Safe to say Ashley want be using this Lawyer again.

His lawyer had a shocker. He could have proved harm by king questioning at all whether the deal is a good one. The fans must back the deal.


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[hibs0666]

Explain ?

Legal fees incurred by the huns in defending this tripe.

[Ozyhibby]

The judge has dismissed Sports Direct's application to commit Rangers chairman Dave King for contempt of court.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge however wants a full trial of King on a further matter, wants it held in January.


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[Ozyhibby]

Discussion of other matters still to be dealt with. Judge keen to hear by end of January. Seeking clarification.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge "I really wonder what the point of all this was, £400, 000 gone"


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[Ozyhibby]

Two applications to be heard tomorrow at 10am. Not clear yet what they specifically refer to.


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[Jim44]

Lifted from Kerrydale Street, while they were discussing the character of the judge. :


Has anyone Googled 'Judge Peter Smith'?

Reprimands, rants, etc. Seems handpicked for a Dave King circus.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173262/Judge-removed-3billion-British-Airways-case-ranting-lost-luggage.html

http://www.newlawjournal.co.uk/nlj/content/reprimanded-judge-keeps-job

Quote:

A judge whose behaviour was adjudged by the Court of Appeal as “wholly inappropriate” when he took part in “extraordinary” exchanges in court, has received an official reprimand. Mr Justice Peter Smith was reported to the Office for Judicial Complaints after showing “undoubted animosity” towards a party in a case before him. The furore arose after a case involving Addleshaw Goddard came before him and he was asked to stand down since the law firm had previously rejected him for a job. The judge, however, refused. Sir Anthony Clarke, Master of the Rolls, and two other appeal judges in Howell & Others v Lees Millais & Others, ruled that Peter Smith J had got “carried away”, had shown “undoubted animosity” and was “intemperate” in the way he handled the application for him to stand down. The judge, the appeal court ruled, should have recused himself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Smith_%28judge%29#Reprimand_by_the_Lord_Chie f_Justice

[Treadstone]

Legal fees incurred by the huns in defending this tripe.

Primarily it affects RIFC and in the very loosest terms Scottish football.

[Benny Brazil]

Seems as if things are now going RIFC's way - paid back Ashley, two big court cases won, funding to get them through to the end of the season provided - is the drama series coming to an end now?

[crewetollhibee]

Big Bad Mike's no gonnae be chuffed with this. He'll be sitting somewhere stroking his cat, and planning all sorts of retaliation. Lost a battle, but methinks the war is just going to start now.

[Ozyhibby]

Court adjourns until 2.30


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[Treadstone]

Court adjourns until 2.30


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Get some lunch Ozy. Great job.

[brog]

Sounds to me like the judge came in today thinking, why am I wasting my time on this nonsense & acted accordingly. Some of his comments took me back to the Jeffrey Archer fiasco when the esteemed judge asked, " look at his wife, is she not fragrant"! Having said that I don't understand why SD did not have King giving evidence.

[Hibee87]

Court adjourns until 2.30


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What else is there to discuss?

[lapsedhibee]

Legal fees incurred by the huns in defending this tripe.

Since the ref was so scathing about SD's application, isn't there a chance that the Huns will get awarded their costs from Ashley? In that case they'd still have their £300,000, which they could use to plunder other Scottish clubs' best talent, and all would be well.

[Dan Sarf]

What else is there to discuss?


What the wine they had at lunchtime was like? :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

What else is there to discuss?

Not sure. Costs?


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[Ozyhibby]

What the wine they had at lunchtime was like? :greengrin

32,000 bottles to pick from.[emoji6]


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[Ozyhibby]

Court will be sitting this afternoon to discuss terms of injunction Sports Direct have against RIFC


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[Ozyhibby]

Both parties to discuss the matter of the injunction just now. That may be heard briefly in court tomorrow with a view to hearing in January


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[Moulin Yarns]

Lifted from Kerrydale Street, while they were discussing the character of the judge. :


Has anyone Googled 'Judge Peter Smith'?

Reprimands, rants, etc. Seems handpicked for a Dave King circus.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173262/Judge-removed-3billion-British-Airways-case-ranting-lost-luggage.html

http://www.newlawjournal.co.uk/nlj/content/reprimanded-judge-keeps-job

Quote:

A judge whose behaviour was adjudged by the Court of Appeal as “wholly inappropriate” when he took part in “extraordinary” exchanges in court, has received an official reprimand. Mr Justice Peter Smith was reported to the Office for Judicial Complaints after showing “undoubted animosity” towards a party in a case before him. The furore arose after a case involving Addleshaw Goddard came before him and he was asked to stand down since the law firm had previously rejected him for a job. The judge, however, refused. Sir Anthony Clarke, Master of the Rolls, and two other appeal judges in Howell & Others v Lees Millais & Others, ruled that Peter Smith J had got “carried away”, had shown “undoubted animosity” and was “intemperate” in the way he handled the application for him to stand down. The judge, the appeal court ruled, should have recused himself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Smith_%28judge%29#Reprimand_by_the_Lord_Chie f_Justice


Also this

http://www.legalcheek.com/2015/07/full-transcript-of-judges-luggage-rant-at-british-airways-lawyers-emerges/

[Treadstone]

Sounds to me like the judge came in today thinking, why am I wasting my time on this nonsense & acted accordingly. Some of his comments took me back to the Jeffrey Archer fiasco when the esteemed judge asked, " look at his wife, is she not fragrant"! Having said that I don't understand why SD did not have King giving evidence.

Seen a tweet that reckons he was sold a dodgy set of golf clubs from Sports Direct. LOL.

[Brightside]

Ashley has to pay 400k for today! Its madness.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It seems to me the judge was taking the view that the case was brought by Sports Direct at the behest of Ashley in order to hand out a personal kicking to King to teach him a lesson not to mess with Mike Ashley, rather than because Sports Direct in reality thought, or even cared, that what King had said had actually damaged the company or even Ashley at all.

If there's one thing the courts hate its folk wasting their time, especially folk who are clearly using them to settle personal grudges under the guise of another matter. They also take a dim view of and treat with disdain a lawyer with a badly prepared case, which looks like what's happening here.

Ashley is gonna come out of this looking like a fool. Heads are gonna roll and if it was personal before its gonna be a hell of a lot more personal now.

[hibs0666]

Lifted from Kerrydale Street, while they were discussing the character of the judge. :


Has anyone Googled 'Judge Peter Smith'?

Reprimands, rants, etc. Seems handpicked for a Dave King circus.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173262/Judge-removed-3billion-British-Airways-case-ranting-lost-luggage.html

http://www.newlawjournal.co.uk/nlj/content/reprimanded-judge-keeps-job

Quote:

A judge whose behaviour was adjudged by the Court of Appeal as “wholly inappropriate” when he took part in “extraordinary” exchanges in court, has received an official reprimand. Mr Justice Peter Smith was reported to the Office for Judicial Complaints after showing “undoubted animosity” towards a party in a case before him. The furore arose after a case involving Addleshaw Goddard came before him and he was asked to stand down since the law firm had previously rejected him for a job. The judge, however, refused. Sir Anthony Clarke, Master of the Rolls, and two other appeal judges in Howell & Others v Lees Millais & Others, ruled that Peter Smith J had got “carried away”, had shown “undoubted animosity” and was “intemperate” in the way he handled the application for him to stand down. The judge, the appeal court ruled, should have recused himself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Smith_%28judge%29#Reprimand_by_the_Lord_Chie f_Justice

Not like that mob to smell conspiracy.

[AndyM_1875]

Not like that mob to smell conspiracy.

Indeed. If a fair-minded,non-zoomer analysis is sought then that is the last place you'd go to.

[Ozyhibby]

Indeed. If a fair-minded,non-zoomer analysis is sought then that is the last place you'd go to.

SD did not prove the case today. Judge called it right.


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[Jim44]

When I see Sports Direct v Rangers, Ashley v King in courts, I think: there is a god.


Yep all the makings of the rumble in the jungle. Just throw them some boxing gloves and get it over with. :greengrin

But did God smile on the most righteous today? One's as bad as the other. I don't think the SD silk had time to tie his gloves before the honourable judge started putting in a few sharp jabs before landing the knockout punch. :take that

[Jim44]

The next Phil and JJ blogs will be interesting.

[Ozyhibby]

Judge was particularly scathing that counsel for Sports Direct brought no evidence to court proving King made the statements reported


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[Ozyhibby]

Hope you found that tweeting useful. Court will probably sit again at half 2 to briefly sort out future matter of injunction.


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[Ozyhibby]

Another revelation from court was that Rangers repaid Sports Direct their £5m loan yesterday.


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[Ozyhibby]

To summarise 3 reasons Sports Direct lost in court today.

1. Dave King mentioned only existence of meeting with Ashley not content

1/3


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[Ozyhibby]

2. No evidence was presented to show beyond a reasonable doubt King made statements attributed to him

2/3


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[Ozyhibby]

3. King was not called as a witness so his testimony is his affadavit was not able to be challenged.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

MA appears to be taking a serious beating, the bigots well ahead on points :(

[Kojock]

The next Phil and JJ blogs will be interesting.

So much for them saying that MA had a top legal team, seems they had the day off and sent in the mail boy.

[Ozyhibby]

King: "It was an absolutely humiliating defeat for Mike Ashley. I'm delighted with the outcome."


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[Ozyhibby]

King: "I've never witnessed a strong judge really virtually tearing someone apart the way he did today."


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[JeMeSouviens]

£300K+ taken out of Scottish football to deal with the utter drivel being discussed in a London court today. I truly despair.

Eh? £300K taken out of the New Huns' January budget. What's not to like?

A bizarre argument for anybody non-Hunnish to make, but especially a Hibby.* Are you seriously making a Regan/Doncaster "Scottish football needs a strong Rangers" argument?


* For the avoidance of doubt, not casting aspersions on 0666's Hibby credentials which are much stronger than mine, even if he is a Hun apologist. :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

King: "I've never witnessed a strong judge really virtually tearing someone apart the way he did today."


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Glib, shameless and an amnesiac then. :rolleyes:

[jacomo]

Hope you found that tweeting useful. Court will probably sit again at half 2 to briefly sort out future matter of injunction.


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Great work.

From reports, no surprise judge found in King's favour.

There is information in the public domain about Rangers Retail that SD surely don't want out there. Why did they not go for that?

I do agree that putting someone in prison for acknowledging a meeting or just saying they want to renegotiate a contract is ludicrous.

I think the % split and ownership of brand names and security came out at the time the loan was made. How about the 7 yr termination clause? Who leaked that?

[Brightside]

Eh? £300K taken out of the New Huns' January budget. What's not to like?

A bizarre argument for anybody non-Hunnish to make, but especially a Hibby.* Are you seriously making a Regan/Doncaster "Scottish football needs a strong Rangers" argument?


* For the avoidance of doubt, not casting aspersions on 0666's Hibby credentials which are much stronger than mine, even if he is a Hun apologist. :wink:

Ashley pays for today not rangers

[Kato]

King: "I've never witnessed a strong judge really virtually tearing someone apart the way he did today."


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Dave needs to think a wee bit harder.

[Hibee87]

Ashley pays for today not rangers

Where did you get that from :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

Can't say Ashley didn't deserve today if he didn't even inform his own lawyer Sevco had repaid the £5m loan yesterday.


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[Ozyhibby]

Sports Direct v Rangers International Football Club Plc back in this court at 10am tomorrow to receive full judgement and decision.


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[Ozyhibby]

10am tomorrow will also see judge consider an application to vary the terms of the injunction involving Sports Direct and Rangers.


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[Brightside]

Where did you get that from :confused:

He brought the action... what makes you think he doesn't pay?

[MrSmith]

Personally and from the tweets passed on by Ozzy, cheers bud, :)

Have to say the Judge was correct! Jail someone for nothing? Nah don't think so!! Also, was quite clear how King got his glib and shameless liar attributes: plays the game well, creates ambiguity and uses ignorance as a defence! Worked this time but in future .... the very very near future?

[flash]

It's like two bald men fighting over a comb when these two claim the moral high ground.

[Ozyhibby]

Court called back into session to deal with press reports. Judge says he unhappy with Daily Record article, counsel agrees is "inaccurate"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge says he gives Daily Record "nil points" for accuracy of report


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