Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[gorgie greens]

£1000 a plate hospitality ? I find that very hard to believe.

Just checked Arsenal v Man City and that is £900 a pop, but night in day compared to the poisonous 2

[Jim44]

Where did you see this? I suppose it wont be widely reported like such an incident of being in a mcdonalds when others are throwing muffins, now thats headline news. Arrested with an accomplice with a knife? meh, wee article in the botttom corner of the paper.

This was talked about on this thread yesterday, so it's clearly common knowledge.

[gorgie greens]

Just checked Arsenal v Man City and that is £900 a pop, but night in day compared to the poisonous 2

No comparison,Aguero,Toyre,DeBryne, Sanchez, or Waghorn ,Wilson,?

[Treadstone]

Just checked Arsenal v Man City and that is £900 a pop, but night in day compared to the poisonous 2

That was the first one I looked at too. Night and day hardly describes the difference. Couldn't see any possible financial justification where the ugly sisters could charge a bag of sand for their matchday experience.

[greenginger]

johnJames explaining some of the proposals for the forthcoming AGM.


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Can't see Ashley sitting back and letting this happen. Court injunction being drafted . More legal bills Love it !

[AndyM_1875]

Which is why I think it would ultimately be better for Scottish football as a whole if the New Huns keep making a total **** of things for as long as possible. Looking back to the "golden eras" of Scottish football, the 50s and the 80s (albeit in the latter case not for us :( ), what they have in common is that one half of the OF was going through a period of serious weakness. Celtc in the 50s, the Old Huns in the 80s.

As well as a more level playing field in Scotland, more of the best Scottish talent is going to play at a higher standard in England and more of our clubs are relying on youth. Both of these things will benefit the national side in the longer term.

I'd be quite happy if the two of them left and took all their baggage with them. I wouldn't miss them.

[LeithSqualk]

What do we have to look forward too this week? Hopefully hear about Green's case, but is there anything else to look forward too

[jacomo]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/uninformed-but-accountable/


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I sure hope Dave King doesn't do walking away.

Mind you, it's The Rangers. History (ha!) suggests that when one dodgy character is forced out, another will take their place.

[greenginger]

What do we have to look forward too this week? Hopefully hear about Green's case, but is there anything else to look forward too


Warburton being appointed manager of Fulham or QPR. :greengrin

[Treadstone]

Warburton being appointed manager of Fulham or QPR. :greengrin

If he got offered either job he would bite their hands off. He could cite the uncertainty at the club and Sevco would look for the compensation in used tenners in a sports direct hold-all.

[Ozyhibby]

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[PatHead]

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It is a bit stupid to say the team beaten in the final would have won the trophy. All trophies should just be withheld.

[Ozyhibby]

It is a bit stupid to say the team beaten in the final would have won the trophy. All trophies should just be withheld.

It's a piece of nonsense anyway, goes back further than ebt's anyway.


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[JeMeSouviens]

It is a bit stupid to say the team beaten in the final would have won the trophy. All trophies should just be withheld.

It is. :agree:

Nice to see the Yams included as cheats though. :wink:

[AndyM_1875]

It is. :agree:

Nice to see the Yams included as cheats though. :wink:

They were running up debts in the Mercer era. When his fat backside went out the door they were 7m or so in debt.

[greenginger]

It is. :agree:

Nice to see the Yams included as cheats though. :wink:


Yep, its the first bit of acknowledgement that the Yams were no different from Rangers when it came to tax fraud, competitive advantage, and improperly registered players.

[jacomo]

Yep, its the first bit of acknowledgement that the Yams were no different from Rangers when it came to tax fraud, competitive advantage, and improperly registered players.

It's the last one that matters re: improperly won titles.

Oh imagine if the 2012 SC is taken away from them!

[Radium]

johnJames explaining some of the proposals for the forthcoming AGM.


https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/


Can't see Ashley sitting back and letting this happen. Court injunction being drafted . More legal bills Love it !


Something about petitions tomorrow (http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/current-business/court-rolls/court-roll?id=0a26f7a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7) as well ... must admit that I have no idea what they might be - I thought the next court date was 9th Dec when Ashley went after King.

P1039/15 Pet: Mash Holdings Ltd for Judicial Review
P989/15 Pet: Michael Ashley for Judicial Review

[Ozyhibby]

Something about petitions tomorrow (http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/current-business/court-rolls/court-roll?id=0a26f7a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7) as well ... must admit that I have no idea what they might be - I thought the next court date was 9th Dec when Ashley went after King.

P1039/15 Pet: Mash Holdings Ltd for Judicial Review
P989/15 Pet: Michael Ashley for Judicial Review

Interesting, no idea what these two cases are about. Mike Ashley does appear to be getting very active now though.


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[CallumLaidlaw]

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh

[O'Rourke3]

TBF they only do their talking on the pitch






And the telly







And the press

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[jacomo]

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh

This is the sort of headline I was expecting if we overtook them in the League. You know, 'now they're top let's see if they can stay there'.

They must be bricking it. Gobs****s.

[Jim44]

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh

This is clear evidence that Sevco from the management, players and fans downwards are the ***m of the earth. This is going beyond banter and bias.

[Libby Hibby]

For a side, that respectively, doesn't want to talk about any other team but The Rangers, they seem to do an awful lot of talking about every team but The Rangers, with respect...

...are we even surprised? We are going about our business in a nice, steady and professional manner only to be subjected to constant speculation about our players, managers supposed 'war of words' to blatant goading by a nobody in the papers. These stories are hiding the true headlines regarding court cases and the board room tug of war that really should be reported but as long as it sells papers, eh?

They are absolutely cacking themselves and I think the cracks are beginning to show.

GGTTH

[GreenLake]

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh

I guess he deserves a bit of credit for financing himself to try and achieve something in football over the next 10 years. It must have been difficult to show promise and get a chance at Leicester only to be discarded into non-league football. I bet that rankled him something awful over the 20 years as he traded in the City - might even have motivated him to succeed after failing so badly as a football player.

Lets see how he fairs when the Hun's chickens start coming home to roost and his budget gets slashed.

[Scorrie]

To be honest I'm fine with The Rangers speaking about us. Shows that we're doing something right and rattling them. Would be more worried if we weren't getting at them. We just need to do out talking on the pitch

[Jack Hackett]

The fact that we will reduce the gap to 2 pts this evening has nothing to do with this....nothing at all....nope....doesn't bother them one little bit.....because they've already won the league. They were putting up the bunting a month ago

[The Leith Dutch]

Now don't get me wrong - it would be ****ing hilarious to sit back with some popcorn and watch the explosion of rage from Ibrokes and the accompanying commentary if they were stripped of some titles - but could someone explain something to me.

We know other teams such as Arsenal used EBTs.
Arsenal, being a big club, paid the taxman when he said "Oi!".
Rangers didn't and then realised why we put quotes round "big club" in their case as the taxman wiped them from existance.

That said, presumably both Arsenal and Rangers gained a sporting advantage by using EBTs and the fact that one paid it back (presumably after the fact) doesn't change that.

[Geo_1875]

Now don't get me wrong - it would be ****ing hilarious to sit back with some popcorn and watch the explosion of rage from Ibrokes and the accompanying commentary if they were stripped of some titles - but could someone explain something to me.

We know other teams such as Arsenal used EBTs.
Arsenal, being a big club, paid the taxman when he said "Oi!".
Rangers didn't and then realised why we put quotes round "big club" in their case as the taxman wiped them from existance.

That said, presumably both Arsenal and Rangers gained a sporting advantage by using EBTs and the fact that one paid it back (presumably after the fact) doesn't change that.

It's not the EBT's that get them into trouble, it's the non-disclosure of remuneration to the governing body.

[Ozyhibby]

Now don't get me wrong - it would be ****ing hilarious to sit back with some popcorn and watch the explosion of rage from Ibrokes and the accompanying commentary if they were stripped of some titles - but could someone explain something to me.

We know other teams such as Arsenal used EBTs.
Arsenal, being a big club, paid the taxman when he said "Oi!".
Rangers didn't and then realised why we put quotes round "big club" in their case as the taxman wiped them from existance.

That said, presumably both Arsenal and Rangers gained a sporting advantage by using EBTs and the fact that one paid it back (presumably after the fact) doesn't change that.

Arsenal didn't deliberately conceal anything from HMRC or the FA.
Rangers did.


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[greenlex]

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh I'm sure some Hun trumpet came out with the same line about the mini Huns last season. That worked out well.

[jacomo]

It's not the EBT's that get them into trouble, it's the non-disclosure of remuneration to the governing body.

:agree:

[oneone73]

I'm sure some Hun trumpet came out with the same line about the mini Huns last season. That worked out well.

Actually, I think that was Darren McGregor!

[Ozyhibby]

Actually, I think that was Darren McGregor!

It was. [emoji3]


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[rodhibs55]

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh

Isn't it ironic that the Warburton's advert on TV at the moment features the Muppets.

[MrSmith]

A response?

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-have-stronger-squad-than-rangers-says-bartley-1-3949904

[GlesgaeHibby]

A response?

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-have-stronger-squad-than-rangers-says-bartley-1-3949904

I'd agree. The only position I think they are stronger than us is at Fullback. I think we've got a better midfield, and centre halves. They've got a good striker in Waghorn, but Cummings and Keatings are as good if not better.

[PatHead]

I'd agree. The only position I think they are stronger than us is at Fullback. I think we've got a better midfield, and centre halves. They've got a good striker in Waghorn, but Cummings and Keatings are as good if not better.

Agree to an extent but still not convinced their full backs are any good defensively. Tavernier seems to be found wanting up the park when he should be defending. He has just been lucky their are not too many good teams to highlight that. Both Gray and Stevenson can defend when required.

Can't deny he is a threat going forward and at deadball situations though.

[Smartie]

Agree to an extent but still not convinced their full backs are any good defensively. Tavernier seems to be found wanting up the park when he should be defending. He has just been lucky their are not too many good teams to highlight that. Both Gray and Stevenson can defend when required.

Can't deny he is a threat going forward and at deadball situations though.

Stevenson and Wallace are excellent going forward and defensively.

Gray I've been generally happy with but I thought he was caught out with a ball inside him a few times against Rangers. I thought we looked quite shaky down the right in that game tbh.

Tavernier looks hopeless defensively and it was him who lost Hanlon for the winner in that game. Superb going forward (when not up against Lewis Stevenson) and superb at set pieces though, as you say.


Not sure I like the tone of the article either. I think the time has come for us to "do our talking on the park" and not getting involved in tit for tat nonsense in the papers. I've grown to hate Hibs players waffling too much in the papers in recent years whilst not doing it where it matters. The press are unlikely to do us any favours when it comes to that stuff. Better off not getting involved.

[Ozyhibby]

I think Dom gets the right tone.
http://youtu.be/oeauSzvGUpU


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[KeithTheHibby]

Actually, I think that was Darren McGregor!


Not sure, I do remember one of the wee fanny players came out with some ***** about watching Corrie rather than Hibs or Hearts.

[hibs0666]

Not sure, I do remember one of the wee fanny players came out with some ***** about watching Corrie rather than Hibs or Hearts.

That was the laddie Aird - hope he was watching a couple of Sundays ago.

[KeithTheHibby]

That was the laddie Aird - hope he was watching a couple of Sundays ago.

Indeed, mouthy wee prick.

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh

Interesting. More mind games from them and the media once again stirring it up.

[MrSmith]

All to simply heap pressure on us before tonights game! I hope we go out with confidence and utterly destroy Livingstone 1-0!!!!!!! lol Really tired & bored of the West Coast rags now! We shouldn't even refer to them as the MSM as they are gutter trash and unworthy of being named in reference to mainstream media!

[21.05.2016]

All to simply heap pressure on us before tonights game! I hope we go out with confidence and utterly destroy Livingstone 1-0!!!!!!! lol Really tired & bored of the West Coast rags now! We shouldn't even refer to them as the MSM as they are gutter trash and unworthy of being named in reference to mainstream media!

Exactly. The huns know exactly what they are doing and so do the west coast media. Embarrassing.

[dangermouse]

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Stubbsy will have this pinned to the dressing room wall tonight no doubt

[greenlex]

Actually, I think that was Darren McGregor!
:greengrin Just goes to show you it goes with the territory..

[greenginger]

JohnJames take on today's sevco linked cases at the Court of Session.



https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/manoeuvres-in-the-dark/#comments

[Cropley10]

It's not the EBT's that get them into trouble, it's the non-disclosure of remuneration to the governing body.

Except they didn't get in to any trouble for non-disclosure to the governing body? Well, not from the SFA, and as far as HMRC are concerned they didn't disclose these side letters to them, for obvious reasons!

This is the scandal, Bryson was allowed to tell Nimmo Smith that there was no problem with Rangers registrations,and Nimmo Smith was not allowed to comment on the Wee Tax Case, which has never been paid.

Whoever feels safe from punishment, misbehaves. Rangers then and now do what they like, and always have done as they know they're safe from punishment, and LNS proves this.

[Ozyhibby]

JohnJames take on today's sevco linked cases at the Court of Session.



https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/manoeuvres-in-the-dark/#comments

More lawyers bills and a cancellation fee on the venue? Why thank you very much Mr. Ashley. [emoji3]


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[Ozyhibby]

Except they didn't get in to any trouble for non-disclosure to the governing body? Well, not from the SFA, and as far as HMRC are concerned they didn't disclose these side letters to them, for obvious reasons!

This is the scandal, Bryson was allowed to tell Nimmo Smith that there was no problem with Rangers registrations,and Nimmo Smith was not allowed to comment on the Wee Tax Case, which has never been paid.

Whoever feels safe from punishment, misbehaves. Rangers then and now do what they like, and always have done as they know they're safe from punishment, and LNS proves this.

That is why we can't let up. If we do, the game's a bogey.


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[grunt]

JohnJames take on today's sevco linked cases at the Court of Session.

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/manoeuvres-in-the-dark/#commentsI wish he'd use a different word to "posit".
Gets on my posits.

[Jim44]

I wish he'd use a different word to "posit".
Gets on my posits.

It appears to be a popular affectation just now with some bloggers.

[jacomo]

I wish he'd use a different word to "posit".
Gets on my posits.

He's sounding more and more like that other blogger, Phil Mac, every day.

[hibees 7062]

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So the Rangers that have said via Waghorn and Warburton that Hibs need to worry about their own club, have ANOTHER dig at Hibs. The media are really pushing this rivalry now eh

Andy Halliday , who is he ?

[Bostonhibby]

Andy Halliday , who is he ?

Massive success in the lower leagues in England - 4 goals in 5 years. Similar pedigree to the boys Wigan donated to the rangers.

[Springbank]

Massive success in the lower leagues in England - 4 goals in 5 years. Similar pedigree to the boys Wigan donated to the rangers.

In fairness I think he scored against our B team in the petrofac cup game.

You remember the one. The game where the Warbolution began and Rangers won the treble (according to the Weegie msm)

[Bostonhibby]

In fairness I think he scored against our B team in the petrofac cup game.

You remember the one. The game where the Warbolution began and Rangers won the treble (according to the Weegie msm)
So that's why he's referred to as a "star"

[calamitus]

Exactly. The huns know exactly what they are doing and so do the west coast media. Embarrassing.

The WCMedia, I like it. Works on a couple of levels

[w pilton hibby]

Andy Halliday , who is he ?

Until his elevation by the record he was best known as Scott Allan's bestie.

NB: Scott Allan is a former Rangers loving footballer who appears not to know where the Celtc bus picks up the first team players.

[hibees 7062]

Until his elevation by the record he was best known as Scott Allan's bestie.

NB: Scott Allan is a former Rangers loving footballer who appears not to know where the Celtc bus picks up the first team players.

Ah him that guaranteed Allan was signing for sevco

[w pilton hibby]

Ah him that guaranteed Allan was signing for sevco

The very same. All mouth and little talent.

[greenginger]

Not much headline coverage from the rags on this little snippet from Warby.



http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/11/mark-warburton-suggests-that-rangers-could-sell-key-players-in-j/

[Boyle89]

Not much headline coverage from the rags on this little snippet from Warby.



http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/11/mark-warburton-suggests-that-rangers-could-sell-key-players-in-j/

Surely no club is bigger than the Rangers?!

[Bostonhibby]

Not much headline coverage from the rags on this little snippet from Warby.



http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/11/mark-warburton-suggests-that-rangers-could-sell-key-players-in-j/

The big guns in England will have their cheque books open for Tavernier, Waghorn and Holt right enough - not as if they didn't get the chance to sign these stars beforehand. Smacks a bit of a fire sale promotion if true............

And what must Halliday be worth? surely someone will want to tempt him back to the scene of his previous "successes"

[Ozyhibby]

There is nobody there that could attract the £2.5m they need to keep the lights on.
And they will need a lot more than that if they lose in Charlie Greens legal fees case.


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[jacomo]

The big guns in England will have their cheque books open for Tavernier, Waghorn and Holt right enough - not as if they didn't get the chance to sign these stars beforehand. Smacks a bit of a fire sale promotion if true............

And what must Halliday be worth? surely someone will want to tempt him back to the scene of his previous "successes"

'It's simple economics', says Warburton.

Here's some more simple economics for you, pal. If your outgoings are bigger than your income, sooner or later you are going to need to cut costs.

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-very-scottish-scandal-how-rangers-almost-wrecked-scottish-football-part-two/

Part 2 of James Forrest's excellent story so far.


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[Benny Brazil]

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-very-scottish-scandal-how-rangers-almost-wrecked-scottish-football-part-two/

Part 2 of James Forrest's excellent story so far.


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That is an excellent read - really puts the SFA and the SPL to shame.

[Scorrie]

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-very-scottish-scandal-how-rangers-almost-wrecked-scottish-football-part-two/

Part 2 of James Forrest's excellent story so far.


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A really good read but it shows that Doncaster's and Regan's positions are untenable surely?

[Ozyhibby]

A really good read but it shows that Doncaster's and Regan's positions are untenable surely?

Have been for a long time now. I've heard Petrie defend Doncaster to a friend of mine which is why I worry about the stance our club takes.


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[GreenLake]

Not much headline coverage from the rags on this little snippet from Warby.



http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/11/mark-warburton-suggests-that-rangers-could-sell-key-players-in-j/


It would interesting if Hibs put in a bid for Travernier.

[greenginger]

Have been for a long time now. I've heard Petrie defend Doncaster to a friend of mine which is why I worry about the stance our club takes.


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Doncaster is an employee of the SPFL and Petrie as Professional Game board member, or whatever his title is, is really his employer.

I think Petrie would have to defend Doncaster to an outsider.

Its what Petrie thinks and says to other club chairmen that counts, not that I have a clue what he says.

[Ozyhibby]

Doncaster is an employee of the SPFL and Petrie as Professional Game board member, or whatever his title is, is really his employer.

I think Petrie would have to defend Doncaster to an outsider.

Its what Petrie thinks and says to other club chairmen that counts, not that I have a clue what he says.

That's what I'd like to know as well. Hopefully Amit will be allowed to communicate the clubs position after the next board meeting.


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[Dan Sarf]

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-very-scottish-scandal-how-rangers-almost-wrecked-scottish-football-part-two/

Part 2 of James Forrest's excellent story so far.


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Phew.

[JOD]

It would interesting if Hibs put in a bid for Travernier.

Better still Wallace one of our own deep down:-)).

[Smartie]

It would interesting if Hibs put in a bid for Travernier.

We do need cover in case Gray gets injured.

[Weststandwanab]

That is an excellent read - really puts the SFA and the SPL to shame.

I agree.


A really good read but it shows that Doncaster's and Regan's positions are untenable surely?

You would think so but they are not known as Teflon for nothing.


It would interesting if Hibs put in a bid for Travernier.

And then let him sign for the lesser Greens.

[CropleyWasGod]

Have been for a long time now. I've heard Petrie defend Doncaster to a friend of mine which is why I worry about the stance our club takes.


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He did it at the last-but-one AGM.

[CentreLine]

He did it at the last-but-one AGM.

Yes, I asked from the floor if the club was happy with the way Doncaster was handling the Rangers fiasco and was shot down with a very short reply along the lines that Doncaster worked incredibly hard for the benefit of Scottish Football and that criticism of him was uncalled for.

[gorgie greens]

It would interesting if Hibs put in a bid for Travernier.

Could you imagine the knuckledraggers,think Hibs should give them some of their own medicine

[Deansy]

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-very-scottish-scandal-how-rangers-almost-wrecked-scottish-football-part-two/

Part 2 of James Forrest's excellent story so far.


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On the Hun plan (then) to purposely dump debt\tax

'He (Doncaster) did not share that with the SPFL board'

The 'Brylcreemed-P***k' is just one of a host of 'names' (Murray\Regan\Ogilvie\King etc) that I dearly hope face, at the very least, eventually face criminal-charges when the smoke-screen (that they created) clears - it's becoming more and more evident as each day passes that the folk at the GFA took their duties as seriously as the Hun took paying their bills and taxes - f**ck-all !!

[Ozyhibby]

http://thecelticblog.com/2015/11/blogs/the-daily-record-and-an-unacceptable-charge


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[CropleyWasGod]

On the Hun plan (then) to purposely dump debt\tax

'He (Doncaster) did not share that with the SPFL board'

The 'Brylcreemed-P***k' is just one of a host of 'names' (Murray\Regan\Ogilvie\King etc) that I dearly hope face, at the very least, criminal-charges when the smoke-screen (that they created) clears - it's becoming more and more evident as each day passes that the folk at the GFA took their duties as seriously as the Hun took paying their bills and taxes - f**ck-all !!
Doncaster may be incompetent, but criminal? ?

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[GreenLake]

The other career area in which Warburton worked seems to have people who like to rig things (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-18/if-you-get-enquiries-just-obfuscate-and-stonewall-how-barclays-rigged-fx-market-seve) in their favour just like his new club.

[Ozyhibby]

Doncaster may be incompetent, but criminal? ?

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He maybe never intended his actions to be criminal but he would not be the first person in history to find that is what has happened.
What we need more than anything in all this is the truth. We need a full independent investigation which is open and transparent for all to see.
Plans appear now to be afoot to force a judicial review of the whole affair and I think it can't come soon enough.


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[Mr White]

Doncaster may be incompetent, but criminal? ?

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I'd jail him for his hair and annoying facial expression. Granted my views aren't exactly in line with those of the pf office though. More's the pity :grr:

[Ozyhibby]

Yes, I asked from the floor if the club was happy with the way Doncaster was handling the Rangers fiasco and was shot down with a very short reply along the lines that Doncaster worked incredibly hard for the benefit of Scottish Football and that criticism of him was uncalled for.

While the increased communication from the club has been welcome it has not extended to the very important areas like this. That is something that will have to change as the level of fan ownership increases. We now own about 10% of the club and that figure should rise as the popularity of HSL increases. At 20% we have the right to appoint a board member and we already have two fans reps. So far they have only delivered good news stories for the board but it is early days yet and I'm sure they will grow into the role.


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[ancient hibee]

That's what I'd like to know as well. Hopefully Amit will be allowed to communicate the clubs position after the next board meeting.


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If you think that you must believe in fairy tales.

[Ozyhibby]

If you think that you must believe in fairy tales.

Don't be such a pessimist. [emoji6]


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[Treadstone]

http://thecelticblog.com/2015/11/blogs/the-daily-record-and-an-unacceptable-charge


Talks about two things he hates.

"One is being called a liar"

Very next line "I may occasionally get the facts wrong..."

[ancient hibee]

Don't be such a pessimist. [emoji6]


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Once upon a time...:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Talks about two things he hates.

"One is being called a liar"

Very next line "I may occasionally get the facts wrong..."

That's compatible, is it not?
You can be mistaken and not be a liar surely?


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[Treadstone]

That's compatible, is it not?
You can be mistaken and not be a liar surely?


Fact would suggest to me something indisputable that at the very least he has misrepresented.

[Deansy]

Doncaster may be incompetent, but criminal? ?

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Doncaster had nothing to do with our game till he got the job here so I don't think he's risked his neck (or laughably) his 'name' for the Hun because he 'supported them as a boy' !!. It can surely only be die-hard Hun's who DON'T think that money's changed hands in this con and criminal-charges could see what's went through certain people's accounts ?.

[magpie1892]

That's compatible, is it not?
You can be mistaken and not be a liar surely?


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Of course it is. I could tell you black was white and even that wouldn't make me a liar - provided I believed what I was telling you was true.

Treadstone makes a nonsense point.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Doncaster is a disaster for the Scottish game, Armageddon anyone?

[greenginger]

Warburton's sevco story, for downsouth consumption,


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3324320/Mark-Warburton-gone-city-trader-saving-fallen-giants-Rangers-amazes-clubs-scrimp-staff-pay-players-12k-week-says-Ibrox-boss.html


" Financial irregularities saw Rangers demoted to the 4th tier of Scottish Football " :rolleyes:

[Springbank]

That article headline might as well read:
WARBURTON ISSUES "COME AND GET ME" PLEA TO ALL ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUBS



Warburton's sevco story, for downsouth consumption,


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3324320/Mark-Warburton-gone-city-trader-saving-fallen-giants-Rangers-amazes-clubs-scrimp-staff-pay-players-12k-week-says-Ibrox-boss.html


" Financial irregularities saw Rangers demoted to the 4th tier of Scottish Football " :rolleyes:

[Alan62]

Another twist as the Motherwell-born billionaire heads for the Court of Session ... http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14040737.Craig_Whyte_could_get___6m_from_claim_on_ Rangers_oldco_creditors_pot/

[steakbake]

That article headline might as well read:
WARBURTON ISSUES "COME AND GET ME" PLEA TO ALL ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUBS

I look forward to the WCM jumping into action to secure his dream move and bullying TRFC into agreeing to release him early from his contract...

[Scorrie]

Warburton's sevco story, for downsouth consumption,


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3324320/Mark-Warburton-gone-city-trader-saving-fallen-giants-Rangers-amazes-clubs-scrimp-staff-pay-players-12k-week-says-Ibrox-boss.html


" Financial irregularities saw Rangers demoted to the 4th tier of Scottish Football " :rolleyes:

Aye well it is the Daily Mail though. I wouldn't trust them to get the date right at the top of the page

[Treadstone]

Warburton's sevco story, for downsouth consumption,


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3324320/Mark-Warburton-gone-city-trader-saving-fallen-giants-Rangers-amazes-clubs-scrimp-staff-pay-players-12k-week-says-Ibrox-boss.html


" Financial irregularities saw Rangers demoted to the 4th tier of Scottish Football " :rolleyes:

300,000 fans at the UEFA final now.

[CropleyWasGod]

Another twist as the Motherwell-born billionaire heads for the Court of Session ... http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14040737.Craig_Whyte_could_get___6m_from_claim_on_ Rangers_oldco_creditors_pot/

I'm with BDO and D&P on this one.

Security only exists when there is a debt. Unless I'm missing something, there is no debt here, either to CW or any of his web of associates.

[greenginger]

300,000 fans at the UEFA final now.


Yep , and and more damage to Manchester City Centre than the IRA bombs !

[greenginger]

I'm with BDO and D&P on this one.

Security only exists when there is a debt. Unless I'm missing something, there is no debt here, either to CW or any of his web of associates.


The first security and floating charge The rangers F C Group ( Wavetower ) was on 24th March 2012, a few weeks after rangers F C Oldco was put in administration.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07380537/filing-history

I do remember something about Liberty Capital putting up cash at the outset, the Ticketus cash was just used to pay off the Bank overdraft.

But £ 20 million, I don't think so.

[CropleyWasGod]

The first security and floating charge The rangers F C Group ( Wavetower ) was on 24th March 2012, a few weeks after rangers F C Oldco was put in administration.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07380537/filing-history

I do remember something about Liberty Capital putting up cash at the outset, the Ticketus cash was just used to pay off the Bank overdraft.

But £ 20 million, I don't think so.

For that reason alone, it would be refused.

Looking at the signature, it looks like Craig Whyte or Gary Withey, neither of whom would have any authority at that point.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Warburton's sevco story, for downsouth consumption,


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3324320/Mark-Warburton-gone-city-trader-saving-fallen-giants-Rangers-amazes-clubs-scrimp-staff-pay-players-12k-week-says-Ibrox-boss.html


" Financial irregularities saw Rangers demoted to the 4th tier of Scottish Football " :rolleyes:

Or to be accurate. Sevco were admitted to the 4th tier of Scottish football .... there was no Rangers to be demoted.

[Alan62]

For that reason alone, it would be refused.

Looking at the signature, it looks like Craig Whyte or Gary Withey, neither of whom would have any authority at that point.

It's fascinating that they keep trying though - presumably at huge expense in terms of legal fees.

[jacomo]

That article headline might as well read:
WARBURTON ISSUES "COME AND GET ME" PLEA TO ALL ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUBS

'I've tapped up the local market', admitted Warburton during his lengthy photo shoot.

Certainly tapped up a player contracted to Hibs. How did that turn out?

[greenginger]

For that reason alone, it would be refused.

Looking at the signature, it looks like Craig Whyte or Gary Withey, neither of whom would have any authority at that point.


Yeah, Oldco FC were put into administration but the Rangers F C Group have never been in administration. Could there be anything in the take over documents pledging assets of the Oldco to their new owners , the Holding company ?

These guys are past masters at asset stripping , I think they will have a rabbit to pull out of the hat. I also see in the Standard security forms , that English Law shall be used in any disputes.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yeah, Oldco FC were put into administration but the Rangers F C Group have never been in administration. Could there be anything in the take over documents pledging assets of the Oldco to their new owners , the Holding company ?

These guys are past masters at asset stripping , I think they will have a rabbit to pull out of the hat. I also see in the Standard security forms , that English Law shall be used in any disputes.

Hmmm, I'm still unconvinced.

I also note the name of one Richard Spurway in all of this. Years ago, I had dealings with a Henry Spurway, and I'm wondering if they are related.

[greenginger]

Thinking back, Whyte and his associates thought they were getting the Club back through Sevco 5088 until Mr Green employed the switch to Sevco Scotland.

This security claim might be a last desperate gambit rather than a planned course of action.


Henry Spurway, of Easibet Bookmakers ?

The other Spurway is a Richard James Spurway born 1954

[CropleyWasGod]

Thinking back, Whyte and his associates thought they were getting the Club back through Sevco 5088 until Mr Green employed the switch to Sevco Scotland.

This security claim might be a last desperate gambit rather than a planned course of action.


Henry Spurway, of Easibet Bookmakers ?

The other Spurway is a Richard James Spurway born 1954

The very same. Pal of John Gibson, and a wannabe impresario.

[steakbake]

Steve Clarke now 1/10 favourite to take over at Fulham. Reading vacancy coming up... respectfully, they'll definitely want either a proven City Trader or to capture the signature of a world class manager...

[Moulin Yarns]

Steve Clarke now 1/10 favourite to take over at Fulham. Reading vacancy coming up... respectfully, they'll definitely want either a proven City Trader or to capture the signature of a world class manager...

Considering I read this about 6:30 this morning, I'm not surprised.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34866335

[steakbake]

Considering I read this about 6:30 this morning, I'm not surprised.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34866335

That internet - it moves so fast... like that time Scott Brown was about to be the latest signing at Rangers.

Anyway, there's a vacancy coming up at Reading. Had a look at their forum and Warburton's not on the radar of most of their fans. You could say, he's off the radar - which is the Rangers Way, of course.

Someone suggested him and the more or less collective response was "who?"... A real impact.

Stubbs is 20/1 for Reading - wonder if that's enough to make him "tipped to take over" for the Record's journalists ahead of any games we have coming up?

[greenginger]

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/qpr/next-qpr-manager-odds

Warby still getting a mention in the QPR betting.

But Reading, now that's not too far from the city Trader's home base of Potters Bar. :greengrin

[steakbake]

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/qpr/next-qpr-manager-odds

Warby still getting a mention in the QPR betting.

But Reading, now that's not too far from the city Trader's home base of Potters Bar. :greengrin

A dream move to the biscuitmen.

[greenginger]

Where's Caversham Green these days ? he was a Reading attender.

Get the demand for warby moving.

[GreenLake]

Sources will suggest that Waghorn and Tavernier will be traveling down with him.

[steakbake]

Sources will suggest that Waghorn and Tavernier will be traveling down with him.

A dream move...

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/personal-not-business/


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[Caversham Green]

Where's Caversham Green these days ? he was a Reading attender.

Get the demand for warby moving.

No chance - Brentford got decent results but they played a nasty version of football. Not something I want to watch every week. I'm hearing he is in the frame though, along with Pearson and Sherwood.

I have an inkling (based on nothing whatsoever) about Martin Keown - his boy's on the books and I believe he has some other connections at the club.

[jacomo]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/personal-not-business/


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Frankly unreadable tosh, with a full house for buzzword bingo.

[Ozyhibby]

Frankly unreadable tosh, with a full house for buzzword bingo.

I did manage to read it but you are correct, it has nothing to say.


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[Treadstone]

Frankly unreadable tosh, with a full house for buzzword bingo.

So you never clicked the donate button at the bottom?

[southsider]

Perhaps so, but it made me lol. The more bad things that happen to Sevco the better. Anyone got any idea when Green v Newco may be decided ? Judge taking it under consideration I believe but what is the usual timescale on the things ?

[Ozyhibby]

Perhaps so, but it made me lol. The more bad things that happen to Sevco the better. Anyone got any idea when Green v Newco may be decided ? Judge taking it under consideration I believe but what is the usual timescale on the things ?

The journo's at the trial thought around two weeks but they were not that sure. Given its not exactly the Chilcott enquiry I would expect something in the next week or so.


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[AndyM_1875]

Frankly unreadable tosh, with a full house for buzzword bingo.

Agreed. First one of his I have bothered to read for a while. I have very low expectations and I was not to be surprised by this latest load of absolute garbage from a complete tool.

"Stenographers"? FFS!
Away and get a real job Phil, you absolute waste of space.

[southsider]

The journo's at the trial thought around two weeks but they were not that sure. Given its not exactly the Chilcott enquiry I would expect something in the next week or so.


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Cheers. The updates were great.

[Ozyhibby]

Agreed. First one of his I have bothered to read for a while. I have very low expectations and I was not to be surprised by this latest load of absolute garbage from a complete tool.

"Stenographers"? FFS!
Away and get a real job Phil, you absolute waste of space.

What's a 'real' job in 2015?


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[Famous Fiver]

No matter the credentials, vocabulary, or the allegiances of the various contributors it is a fascinating story of intrigue and fancy footwork.

Every time one issue is 'resolved' the law of unintended consequences come into play and the whole mess just gets bigger.

It is all going to go pop one day but the question is, which brick is going to bring the whole edifice tumbling down?

I won't put the popcorn down yet, lots of entertainment left in this saga. However, just like the film Titanic, there is an inevitability about how it is all going to end...........

[jacomo]

I did manage to read it but you are correct, it has nothing to say.


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Phil has overplayed his 'source' to Mike Ashley. It would be a massive surprise if this famously inscrutable billionaire was somehow letting a random Celtc blogger in on his plans. And I very much doubt any of Ashley's inner circle would leak this kind of info. Ashley does not like journalists. Even wannabe journalists.

[jacomo]

So you never clicked the donate button at the bottom?

Ha!

Worthy cause though he is, I somehow resisted. I must have a heart of stone.

[jacomo]

What's a 'real' job in 2015?


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That's a fair point.

Never begrudge a man trying to earn a living. I just don't quite think his sources are as bona fide as he implies.

Strangely, John James now uses near-identical phrasing to imply he's inside the story.

I think it's all just speculation from interested observers, with the occasional genuine scoop.

[AndyM_1875]

What's a 'real' job in 2015?


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Well it's certainly not running a blog based on half baked theories, non existent sources and top drawer drivel sourced from agenda peddling loonies in Celtc pubs.

[Ozyhibby]

That's a fair point.

Never begrudge a man trying to earn a living. I just don't quite think his sources are as bona fide as he implies.

Strangely, John James now uses near-identical phrasing to imply he's inside the story.

I think it's all just speculation from interested observers, with the occasional genuine scoop.

The occasional genuine scoop bit is what's important. Phil has had more genuine scoops on this story so far than any other journalist. His blog does get padded out with articles like today's but you should be able to see that.
His writing style is horrendous but I can ignore that as well and get what I need to get from him.


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[steakbake]

The occasional genuine scoop bit is what's important. Phil has had more genuine scoops on this story so far than any other journalist. His blog does get padded out with articles like today's but you should be able to see that.
His writing style is horrendous but I can ignore that as well and get what I need to get from him.


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I agree with this. Yes, he does have the occasional post which is just talking in riddles.

I think his comments about 'stenographers' is accurate: a stenographer simply transcribes what they hear and are told - the Record and others simply redistribute content. Journalism (the gathering, processing and dissemination of news and information) is not what we see. Phil and others often point out glaringly obvious questions that Scottish Sports journalists seem either disinclined or oblivious to ask.

As a journalist, I rate Alex Thomson. When the EBT ruling came out, his view was that Phil had been vindicated.

You may not like his style and some of the pieces are a bit pointless. He might be off target sometimes. You may not like his politics, if that's someone's beef with the man. But on the Rangers situation, time and again, his perspective has been proved consistently right or at the very least charitable, it's been in the right direction.

johnjamessite I only read occasionally and like Phil, his style can sometimes be grating - the continual overuse of the word "posit", for example. I think he's relatively new so have no idea whether he makes educated guesses or simply rewrites rumours he reads elsewhere. theclumpany blog is, I think, the most entertaining and readable out there at the moment that I've seen. Pulling apart the standard puff piece articles from the Evening Times, Herald and other sources, mixed in with a bit of irreverent humour. He also has a thing about 'journalists' who do little more than Level5 PR's bidding and drop adverts for Rangers season books and other products dressed up as news.

It's a bit rich for journos to blast bloggers for 'having an agenda', when in many cases, there are blatant signs that journos have the biggest agenda of all. At least when you read a blogger, they are unlikely to conceal their agenda rather than a journo who tries to present their opinion/their instructions as facts.

In short, journos use mealy (and inaccurate) words like "demoted", "punished". Bloggers use the word "admitted", "re-entered the leagues" and "restarted life in the 3rd division".

[Ozyhibby]

LADY WOLFFE – R Martin, Clerk
Tuesday 24th November
By Order
P989/15 Pet: Michael Ashley for Judicial Review – Brodies LLP – Burness Paull LLP
P1039/15 Pet: Mash Holdings Ltd for Judicial Review – Brodies LLP – Anderson Strathern LLP Burness Paull LLP

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure what the above is in relation to as he already has a date for his judicial review of the SFA decision on KING for Fit & Proper of Feb next year so this could be something new altogether.
Lets hope so.
It's alright for Mike, he can afford the lawyers.

[southern hibby]

good to see MA taking anyone connected to The Rangers to court especially if The Rangers have to pay for it. It's his new ploy to make sure that there is no money left in the pot when he decides to go in for the kill or to actually buy them lock stock and barrel.

I wonder if there will be some out of court settlement with SFA so that he will be allowed to own more than his 9%. Make no mistake these tw@ts in the SFA would sell their mother if they thought it would benefit The Rangers. Or themselves.
If it does go to court how many questions will be answered with very very naughty or illegal answers.

Either way not bothered but if it's taking money from them that they don't have could and should be a God send., problem is long term if he gets in and owns them outright.

GGTTH

[ancient hibee]

Re the Daily Mail "interview".I'm intrigued that Warburton was won over by the video of the Rangers choir at an OF match that his son showed him.Leaving aside the viewing habits in the Warburton household did he really understand what he was watching-if so jeez.

[EdinMike]

Re the Daily Mail "interview".I'm intrigued that Warburton was won over by the video of the Rangers choir at an OF match that his son showed him.Leaving aside the viewing habits in the Warburton household did he really understand what he was watching-if so jeez.

Won over by sectarian bile ?! Spose so...

[Killiehibbie]

Hmmm, I'm still unconvinced.

I also note the name of one Richard Spurway in all of this. Years ago, I had dealings with a Henry Spurway, and I'm wondering if they are related.Did Henry not want to go double or quits on the bill?

[Baldy Foghorn]

Won over by sectarian bile ?! Spose so...

Can't be, we are constantly told their songs are not sectarian, and only sung by a minority?:rolleyes:

[ancient hibee]

Did Henry not want to go double or quits on the bill?


That would be with his two headed coin.

[PatHead]

LADY WOLFFE – R Martin, Clerk
Tuesday 24th November
By Order
P989/15 Pet: Michael Ashley for Judicial Review – Brodies LLP – Burness Paull LLP
P1039/15 Pet: Mash Holdings Ltd for Judicial Review – Brodies LLP – Anderson Strathern LLP Burness Paull LLP




Has he asked for a review of the motion at the AGM to ban him from having a vote going forward.

If not, could it be that?

[greenginger]

Has he asked for a review of the motion at the AGM to ban him from having a vote going forward.

If not, could it be that?

I think he would challenge the motion with an interdict first.

Stop the motion in the first place . Judicial reviews can be a lengthy process and the meeting next month.

[PatHead]

I think he would challenge the motion with an interdict first.

Stop the motion in the first place . Judicial reviews can be a lengthy process and the meeting next month.

Thanks for that. Wonder why he has done nothing about it yet?

[21.05.2016]

Won over by sectarian bile ?! Spose so...

Surely not, its "just a minority" dont you know . . . :rolleyes:

[greenginger]

Thanks for that. Wonder why he has done nothing about it yet?


Plenty time !

Its a ridiculous concept anyway. RIFC are a PLC, its like Ford banning any shareholders from voting at their AGM if the have shares in BMW.

Anyway, did the Rangers not own shares in another football club themselves ! Well they did until wee goggle eyes found the Arsenal Shares in the Ibrox safe and flogged them to the highest bidder. :greengrin

[PatHead]

Plenty time !

Its a ridiculous concept anyway. RIFC are a PLC, its like Ford banning any shareholders from voting at their AGM if the have shares in BMW.

Anyway, did the Rangers not own shares in another football club themselves ! Well they did until wee goggle eyes found the Arsenal Shares in the Ibrox safe and flogged them to the highest bidder. :greengrin

Come on he was one of the good guys compared to some of the others involved in this series. :greengrin

By the way, it is amazing how similar what is happening now is to the first couple of series with Murray and Whyte. Remember Rangers were living a hand to mouth existence with no money blaming every one else for whatever is happening. The MSM are just pretending everything is okay and talking about million pound signings.

Will they never learn?

[Ozyhibby]

Not to mention how many directors of clubs like Airdie and Clude were found to be Rangers shareholders when the old club went bust as well as Campbell ogilvie who passed his shareholding to his wife while at Hearts.


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[Caversham Green]

No chance - Brentford got decent results but they played a nasty version of football. Not something I want to watch every week. I'm hearing he is in the frame though, along with Pearson and Sherwood.

I have an inkling (based on nothing whatsoever) about Martin Keown - his boy's on the books and I believe he has some other connections at the club.

Looks like Clarke was just comparing bags of sweeties anyway.

[greenginger]

Just been reading JohnJames blog on that nonsense piece in the Record by some guy called Mooney.

It was the bit at the end that got me.

According to JJ , King was invited down to Sports Direct H Q on the pretext of a meeting with Ashley.

Instead of Ashley, the balliffs were waiting and presented King with the summons to appear at the High Court on the contempt charge next month.

If that is anyway true, its absolutely brilliant :greengrin :greengrin

[steakbake]

Looks like Clarke was just comparing bags of sweeties anyway.

Curbishley the likely candidate...

What was that about being up early to get the news off the BBC?

[Ozyhibby]

Just been reading JohnJames blog on that nonsense piece in the Record by some guy called Mooney.

It was the bit at the end that got me.

According to JJ , King was invited down to Sports Direct H Q on the pretext of a meeting with Ashley.

Instead of Ashley, the balliffs were waiting and presented King with the summons to appear at the High Court on the contempt charge next month.

If that is anyway true, its absolutely brilliant :greengrin :greengrin

I believe that's exactly what happened. It was the only way he could get him in the country.


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[greenginger]

I believe that's exactly what happened. It was the only way he could get him in the country.


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It would be like a scene in the movie the Goodfellows, when wee Tommy goes to the meeting with the Bosses to get made.

And gets a nasty surprise.

[PatHead]

Just been reading JohnJames blog on that nonsense piece in the Record by some guy called Mooney.

It was the bit at the end that got me.

According to JJ , King was invited down to Sports Direct H Q on the pretext of a meeting with Ashley.

Instead of Ashley, the balliffs were waiting and presented King with the summons to appear at the High Court on the contempt charge next month.

If that is anyway true, its absolutely brilliant :greengrin :greengrin

Funny how the The Rangers pay King's legal bill but not Green's

[mixumatosis]

It would be like a scene in the movie the Goodfellows, when wee Tommy goes to the meeting with the Bosses to get made.

And gets a nasty surprise.

GoodFellas, if you don't mind.

[Jack]

It would be like a scene in the movie the Goodfellows, when wee Tommy goes to the meeting with the Bosses to get made.

And gets a nasty surprise.

Nah!

Dirty Den gives Angie divorce papers for Christmas - EastEnders ... boom boom boom boom ...

[Ozyhibby]

Oops
http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPPHC/2013/68.html


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[grunt]

Oops
http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPPHC/2013/68.html


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat does this mean? He was found guilty of contempt of court in SA in 2013 - is that what this says? (I don't know).

If so does that mean he shouldn't have been fit & proper by the SFA?

[Ozyhibby]

What does this mean? He was found guilty of contempt of court in SA in 2013 - is that what this says? (I don't know).

If so does that mean he shouldn't have been fit & proper by the SFA?

Don't know but it may sway the judge in the contempt case he faces next month.


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[greenginger]

He got a sentence of 3 months in jail, suspended for 3 years on condition he does not commit any further contempt of court offences.


Now, how committing a contempt of a British Court whilst in South Africa will be seen is ... well ...:confused:


More fees for lawyers ! :greengrin

[gorgie greens]

He got a sentence of 3 months in jail, suspended for 3 years on condition he does not commit any further contempt of court offences.


Now, how committing a contempt of a British Court whilst in South Africa will be seen is ... well ...:confused:


More fees for lawyers ! :greengrin
pity he only had till feb and his 3 years would have been up
oh dear how sad never mind:greengrin

[PatHead]

Was that them repossessing his cars and wine as well? :greengrin:greengrin

[greenginger]

Do we really want to see King emptied from Ibrox ?

He is a very divisive character and a crook as well, but he does seem to have got the bears on his side.

Long term it would be better for them if he is shown the door, but short term it could lead to all sorts of splits and falling out.


We are only interested in short term , so get him out ! :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

I'm hoping he takes Sevco down with him. 25pt penalty please.


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[Deansy]

Do we really want to see King emptied from Ibrox ?

He is a very divisive character and a crook as well, but he does seem to have got the bears on his side.

Long term it would be better for them if he is shown the door, but short term it could lead to all sorts of splits and falling out.


We are only interested in short term , so get him out ! :greengrin

Totally agree - last thing needed is King's departure right now !. His ongoing presence can only increase the damage he's doing to them long term. And not just to the Hun as there will be large numbers at the GFA s*****n themselves at the eventual outcome of all of this - perhaps a total purge of all might even result ?. I definitely reckon a line will at some point, be crossed, and being the 'honourable men' they are, will start grassing on others to save themselves !!

[macca70]

Love the new Warburtons advert on TV for some new crumpet, it features all the Muppets, can't be long before someone does a photoshop of Warburtons Muppets!!

Mr Warburton on the advert even looks like the Rangers manager, ha ha.

[O'Rourke3]

GoodFellas, if you don't mind.

You're a funny guy.......

[steakbake]

Was that them repossessing his cars and wine as well? :greengrin:greengrin

:agree: Probably the same wine cellar that Jim White was fawning over in the recent Sky puff-piece.

[magpie1892]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/personal-not-business/


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I think he must be on a bonus scheme for using the phrases:

'For the avoidance of doubt'
'A loss-making business without a line of credit'
'Mr David Cunningham King' (and all other names spelled out in full at each mention)

How this guy self-describes as a journalist is beyond me; it must have been murder editing his book about the hun.

[Ozyhibby]

:agree: Probably the same wine cellar that Jim White was fawning over in the recent Sky puff-piece.

Phil alluded to the possibility that the wine has since been repossessed by the SA taxman.


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[brog]

Oops
http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPPHC/2013/68.html


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Ozy, I have in the past been a tad critical of your apparent negativity re our team. Can I just say you're playing an absolute blinder on this thread, much more pleasant to see you destroying Sevco! Great work!

[jacomo]

I'm hoping he takes Sevco down with him. 25pt penalty please.


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:agree:

King doesn't strike me as a guy who would go quietly. And why should he, after all he has done for Rangers? They are nothing without him! Far better to go down with the King than have Ashley pulling the strings.

:wink: :wink:

[grunt]

Here's JJ with some explanation https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/the-king-of-contempt/

[Ozyhibby]

Ozy, I have in the past been a tad critical of your apparent negativity re our team. Can I just say you're playing an absolute blinder on this thread, much more pleasant to see you destroying Sevco! Great work!

When our team get back above the yams you won't hear a peep of negativity from me. If we could even just get back above Ross county I'd be happy. I am happy with the progress we have made this season though. Long way to go though.


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[CropleyWasGod]

BDO to appeal the EBT decision in the Supreme Court.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-oldco-liquidators-bdo-launch-6866457

[Ozyhibby]

Here's JJ with some explanation https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/the-king-of-contempt/

He really is a piece of work, Dave King. December should be interesting.
Strange the media never mention that he has a suspended jail term hanging over him.


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[Ozyhibby]

BDO to appeal the EBT decision in the Supreme Court.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-oldco-liquidators-bdo-launch-6866457

Why would BDO waste creditors money on something that does not increase the size of the pot at all and would only change the distribution of funds within the pot?


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[CropleyWasGod]

Why would BDO waste creditors money on something that does not increase the size of the pot at all and would only change the distribution of funds within the pot?


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That would be my view.

However, that piece says that BDO have been in touch with SDM. Maybe he is funding it.

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[grunt]

BDO to appeal the EBT decision in the Supreme Court.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-oldco-liquidators-bdo-launch-6866457Yes, the Herald had this story today as well. James Doleman thinks it's not as clear as the papers are saying ...


BDO have to get "leave to appeal"from Court of session and then have case accepted by Supreme Court. Not automatic. The Supreme court only hears cases: "Of the greatest public or constitutional importance." No guarantee they will accept BDO appeal.

[Moulin Yarns]

In other news Clarke to remain at Reading (so much for 1/10 favourite!)



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852)Fulham still looking for a manager

[JeMeSouviens]

In other news Clarke to remain at Reading (so much for 1/10 favourite!)



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852)Fulham still looking for a manager

He has previous for being a shoo-in then getting cold feet doesn't he? :rolleyes:

[steakbake]

In other news Clarke to remain at Reading (so much for 1/10 favourite!)



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852)Fulham still looking for a manager

Aye, saw that last night on the BBC... keep up :wink:

[GreenLake]

BDO to appeal the EBT decision in the Supreme Court.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-oldco-liquidators-bdo-launch-6866457

BDO will decide which judges are allowed to sit on the bench.

[Platinum Scotty]

He really is a piece of work, Dave King. December should be interesting.
Strange the media never mention that he has a suspended jail term hanging over him.


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Forgive me if its been asked and answered before but does a suspended jail sentence in SA have any bearing under scots law? I would have thought not but I am not legal expert, or in fact an expert at anything

[Treadstone]

Forgive me if its been asked and answered before but does a suspended jail sentence in SA have any bearing under scots law? I would have thought not but I am not legal expert, or in fact an expert at anything

To further complicate the issue the main source of irritation for Ashley was the Jim White interview which took place in SA.

[Ozyhibby]

To further complicate the issue the main source of irritation for Ashley was the Jim White interview which took place in SA.

I don't think it's a jury case so I'm sure the judge will be able to consider anything he likes.


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[Deansy]

That would be my view.

However, that piece says that BDO have been in touch with SDM. Maybe he is funding it.

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Believeable - at some point, the neanderthal, knuckle-scrapers will eventually realise exactly WHO'S to blame for all of this and turn. DM knows full well of exactly what they're capable of and what lengths they can and will go to. If/when the titles are taken/voided .....................

[CropleyWasGod]

Yes, the Herald had this story today as well. James Doleman thinks it's not as clear as the papers are saying ...
Maybe they expect a knock back from the Cos and so they can at least say they tried.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Aye, saw that last night on the BBC... keep up :wink:

ha, ha

[Treadstone]

I don't think it's a jury case so I'm sure the judge will be able to consider anything he likes.


Jim White. Co-conspirator. Fingers crossed.

[Jack]

Here's JJ with some explanation https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/the-king-of-contempt/

What a divvy!

The Lying King showing off his contempt of court booty of wine in a telly interview where he is allegedly in contempt of court for what he's discussing!

You couldnae make it up!

[Ozyhibby]

Believeable - at some point, the neanderthal, knuckle-scrapers will eventually realise exactly WHO'S to blame for all of this and turn. DM knows full well of exactly what they're capable of and what lengths they can and will go to. If/when the titles are taken/voided .....................

I think the last 3 years have shown they will bend over and take it from anybody though. You would think that Craig Whyte would not be able to show his face in Scotland again, yet he shows up for a court appearance and brings a date.
They're all talk.


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[southsider]

You're a funny guy.......

"What ? I'm a clown ? I'm here for your amusement ?"

[Ozyhibby]

What a divvy!

Showing off his contempt of court booty of wine in a telly interview where he is allegedly in contempt of court for what he's discussing!

You couldnae make it up!

That's the exact same way he was caught by the SA tax people in the first place. He was putting in tax returns saying he was penniless and then went to a high profile art auction and paid £1.5m for a painting and posed for newspaper articles beside it. He's a rare breed, the stupid rich man.


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[O'Rourke3]

That's the exact same way he was caught by the SA tax people in the first place. He was putting in tax returns saying he was penniless and then went to a high profile art auction and paid £1.5m for a painting and posed for newspaper articles beside it. He's a rare breed, the stupid rich man.


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And likely he thinks others are stupid

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[jacomo]

In other news Clarke to remain at Reading (so much for 1/10 favourite!)



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34878852)Fulham still looking for a manager

QPR still looking to make a permanent appointment too. Warburton's agent can visit both on the same day.

[Ozyhibby]

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[CropleyWasGod]

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When was this?

[grunt]

JJ is having a busy day https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/the-litigious-liquidators/

[Ozyhibby]

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/the-litigious-liquidators/


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[Ozyhibby]

When was this?

It was tweeted today by a Celtic blogger. Trying to work out how to link to it. Back soon. [emoji3]


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[CropleyWasGod]

JJ is having a busy day https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/the-litigious-liquidators/

Clearly been reading Hibs.net this morning. :greengrin

I hope he has a good proof-reader. I misread one of his acronyms as BDSM..... but then that might say more about me than him. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

Found it
https://mobile.twitter.com/CarltonBartins/status/667692250143531008
I think.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Found it
https://mobile.twitter.com/CarltonBartins/status/667692250143531008
I think.


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Ta.

But it's not clear when BDO said that. It would make sense if they said it just after the result of the appeal. If they said it today, it undermines the DR story.

[Future17]

BDO will decide which judges are allowed to sit on the bench.

Rangers have got previous for paying big money for folk to sit on the bench.

[Brunswickbill]

I don't know if this has been posted already but just a reminder what a 35,000 bottle wine cellar looks like.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/rangers/9921177/king-the-fans-need-to-back-the-club

[steakbake]

I don't know if this has been posted already but just a reminder what a 35,000 bottle wine cellar looks like.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/rangers/9921177/king-the-fans-need-to-back-the-club

Look at wee Jim... mixing it with the big time. He's star struck.

[GreenLake]

I don't know if this has been posted already but just a reminder what a 35,000 bottle wine cellar looks like.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/rangers/9921177/king-the-fans-need-to-back-the-club

It must be in their DNA as huns to be tax cheats and have absolutely no guilt about it. The best thing from watching the above is the obvious conclusion that the huns have found a leader they deserve - a walking embodiment of Karma.

[Deansy]

I don't know if this has been posted already but just a reminder what a 35,000 bottle wine cellar looks like.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/rangers/9921177/king-the-fans-need-to-back-the-club

'The Johannesburg crime-rate is described as critical' - well, very soon one of the reasons for that will be taken out of the equation !!

Seriously, THAT video is fast becoming as hilarious as the 'Charity Thieves' one, where they welcome Vlad to the PBS. All that's missing is Jim White chasing King all over the place, like the Jambo with the bucket-heid haircut, chasing Vlad all over the place, squealing 'Vlad -Vlad (- my a**e is yours !!)' like a wee-lassie !!.

[Jim44]

I was disappointed to learn that Gary Player had the criminal caddying for him at St Andrews in his last appearance in the Open Championship. I'll forgive Player on the basis that he had no idea of the Lying King's criminal activities. :wink:

[Ozyhibby]

I was disappointed to learn that Gary Player had the criminal caddying for him at St Andrews in his last appearance in the Open Championship. I'll forgive Player on the basis that he had no idea of the Lying King's criminal activities. :wink:

It didn't end well
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/golf/ex-rangers-director-king-suing-golfer-gary-player-1-2978986


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[Eyrie]

I don't know if this has been posted already but just a reminder what a 35,000 bottle wine cellar looks like.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/rangers/9921177/king-the-fans-need-to-back-the-club

That's a lot of Buckfast on show from 3:15.

[Ozyhibby]

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[brog]

Look at wee Jim... mixing it with the big time. He's star struck.

Surprised he didn't ask King, " just how rich/good are you " ? Wee Jim really has led a charmed life. 2 divorces featuring private detectives & adultery, drink driving, thrown off a BA flight for being drunk & just absolutely hopeless at his job & yet on he sails, untouched & unashamed!

[steakbake]

Surprised he didn't ask King, " just how rich/good are you " ? Wee Jim really has led a charmed life. 2 divorces featuring private detectives & adultery, drink driving, thrown off a BA flight for being drunk & just absolutely hopeless at his job & yet on he sails, untouched & unashamed!

Haha deary me. Galling, int it? When you have to make a living actually needing to be good at what you do when you get folk like that, glibly and shamelessly coining it in for doing next to nowt.

[magpie1892]

Surprised he didn't ask King, " just how rich/good are you " ? Wee Jim really has led a charmed life. 2 divorces featuring private detectives & adultery, drink driving, thrown off a BA flight for being drunk & just absolutely hopeless at his job & yet on he sails, untouched & unashamed!

Well, not entirely untouched. He was staff, but he's been freelance for some time. Sky know the 'hopeless clown' routine is only effective when used sparingly. These guys are not stupid - who else could have carried that interview off with the same level of obsequiousness and bemused disregard for journalistic standards (i.e. 'so, are you actually going to invest any money in hun or not?') as yon Jim did. I thought it was a masterpiece and should be mandatory viewing for anyone studying journalism/comms/marketing/PR/ and... law?

[Ronniekirk]

,
I don't know if this has been posted already but just a reminder what a 35,000 bottle wine cellar looks like.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/rangers/9921177/king-the-fans-need-to-back-the-club

He says it's not an investment ,it's all there to be drunk .I wonder how long he will take to get through that lot .i feel flush when I have my wine rack full with 12 bottles .

[magpie1892]

,

He says it's not an investment ,it's all there to be drunk .I wonder how long he will take to get through that lot .i feel flush when I have my wine rack full with 12 bottles .

With Jim as a house guest, not long.

[Ronniekirk]

Where is his evidence or research to back up the claim rangers fans outspent Celtic fans on buying merchandise historically and that's why they are the bigger club .
However he them has to recognise that at present they are not doing that ,because the Club are not benefitting from Ashley's contract ,as the fans won't put money into Ashley's coffers as it isn't helping the Club .
He said he is confident that something can be worked out to allow Rangers to in effect take thier rightful place back as No 1 spending Club in Scotland , but for that to happen he clearly needs to get Ashley to play ball

[Mr White]

With Jim as a house guest, not long.

:tee hee:

[magpie1892]

Where is his evidence or research to back up the claim rangers fans outspent Celtic fans on buying merchandise historically and that's why they are the bigger club .
However he them has to recognise that at present they are not doing that ,because the Club are not benefitting from Ashley's contract ,as the fans won't put money into Ashley's coffers as it isn't helping the Club .
He said he is confident that something can be worked out to allow Rangers to in effect take thier rightful place back as No 1 spending Club in Scotland , but for that to happen he clearly needs to get Ashley to play ball

There is none. Did you expect any?

Of course King knows that hun retail is suffering because of the 7.5p/£ they get from the Ashley deal.

Yes, King clearly needs Ashley to 'play ball' - but Ashley wants him in jail. Ashley will crush King like a beetle. The only person that doesn't seem to realise it is King himself.

It's personal, now, with Ashley, and I have seen first hand what he has done to NUFC. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he'll do worse to the hun than he did to the Mags because the latter bring in £130+ annually in Sky TV and prize money, whereas the former bring in tuppence ha'penny.

I can't wait.

[Cropley10]

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He says it's not an investment ,it's all there to be drunk .I wonder how long he will take to get through that lot .i feel flush when I have my wine rack full with 12 bottles .

95 years if you drank a bottle per day. So, 47 approx at two bottles per day.

Impossible for King to drink it all. Partly becuase of his age and life expectancy but mostly because its been confiscated, apparently...

[Bostonhibby]

95 years if you drank a bottle per day. So, 47 approx at two bottles per day.

Impossible for King to drink it all. Partly becuase of his age and life expectancy but mostly because its been confiscated, apparently...

Could he have got Durrant and John Brown round to help him neck the lot before the tax man arrived? That might have made the seemingly impossible possible.

[Ozyhibby]

Where is his evidence or research to back up the claim rangers fans outspent Celtic fans on buying merchandise historically and that's why they are the bigger club .
However he them has to recognise that at present they are not doing that ,because the Club are not benefitting from Ashley's contract ,as the fans won't put money into Ashley's coffers as it isn't helping the Club .
He said he is confident that something can be worked out to allow Rangers to in effect take thier rightful place back as No 1 spending Club in Scotland , but for that to happen he clearly needs to get Ashley to play ball

That's what started all this. Murray had to find a way to match Celtic's extra income from having 10,000 extra seats to sell every game. EBT's were his solution.
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[magpie1892]

That's what started all this. Murray had to find a way to match Celtic's extra income from having 10,000 extra seats to sell every game. EBT's were his solution.
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Impressive. I thought that was just another King lie.

Love to see the more recent figures!

[Ozyhibby]

Impressive. I thought that was just another King lie.

Love to see the more recent figures!

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Nae bother. [emoji3]


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[Ozyhibby]

Actually that's the wrong graph. [emoji3]


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[magpie1892]

Actually that's the wrong graph. [emoji3]


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It is that... Got the correct merchandise figures?

NUFC's are down c.40% since Ashley turned up.

[Ozyhibby]

From that graph though you can see Celtic's turnover is about £60m compared to Sevco's at about £16m.
They are worlds apart just now


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[magpie1892]

From that graph though you can see Celtic's turnover is about £60m compared to Sevco's at about £16m.
They are worlds apart just now


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Yes, that's a given. I'm curious about the merchandise.

[Weststandwanab]

I don't know if this has been posted already but just a reminder what a 35,000 bottle wine cellar looks like.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/rangers/9921177/king-the-fans-need-to-back-the-club

Chateau d'Yquem - a lovely wee slippy.


95 years if you drank a bottle per day. So, 47 approx at two bottles per day.

Impossible for King to drink it all. Partly becuase of his age and life expectancy but mostly because its been confiscated, apparently...

Winston Churchill drank 42,000 bottles of champagne during his life mostly Veuve Clicquot.

[Keith_M]

Chateau d'Yquem - a lovely wee slippy.



Winston Churchill drank 42,000 bottles of champagne during his life mostly Veuve Clicquot.


Churchill was 90 when he died.

Let's assume he started drinking champagen at 20 and continued doing that until he died, he would have had to drink an average of 1.6 bottles a day.

He must have been permanently p1ssed!!

[Bostonhibby]

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Winston Churchill drank 42,000 bottles of champagne during his life mostly Veuve Clicquot.[/QUOTE]

That's one way to make sure the tax man doesn't seize it!

[Weststandwanab]

Churchill was 90 when he died.

Let's assume he started drinking champagen at 20 and continued doing that until he died, he would have had to drink an average of 1.6 bottles a day.

He must have been permanently p1ssed!!

I believe for many decades he regularly consumed 2/3 bottles a day and sometime one for breakfast


That's one way to make sure the tax man doesn't seize it!

Presumably there would have been sales tax of some description on them

[jodjam]

I believe for many decades he regularly consumed 2/3 bottles a day and sometime one for breakfast



Presumably there would have been sales tax of some description on them


Watched an episode of QI years ago. They claimed more internet forum chat threads ended when the subject switched to Hitler than any other topic.

Now we are at Churchill it's not a big leap to Hitler but I've a feeling even old Adolf ain't gonna stop this thread.

[jacomo]

Presumably there would have been sales tax of some description on them

Best not to presume anything where King is concerned. Strikes me as the kind of guy who favours outdoor tables at cafés because it's easier to skip off without paying the bill.

[Jim44]

Watched an episode of QI years ago. They claimed more internet forum chat threads ended when the subject switched to Hitler than any other topic.

Now we are at Churchill it's not a big leap to Hitler but I've a feeling even old Adolf ain't gonna stop this thread.

Godwin's Law.

[Smartie]

Watched an episode of QI years ago. They claimed more internet forum chat threads ended when the subject switched to Hitler than any other topic.

Now we are at Churchill it's not a big leap to Hitler but I've a feeling even old Adolf ain't gonna stop this thread.

I don't think any thread about Rangers can ever be too far away from slipping into talk about horrible nazis.

[greenginger]

Looks like Ashley's legal team have been Interdicting Sevco at the courts last week.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3327971/Mike-Ashley-drags-Rangers-court-Newcastle-owner-continues-bitter-feud-Ibrox-board.html#ixzz3s7AFYKo0

Stopping the vote on removing Mash voting rights.

[CentreLine]

Watched an episode of QI years ago. They claimed more internet forum chat threads ended when the subject switched to Hitler than any other topic.

Now we are at Churchill it's not a big leap to Hitler but I've a feeling even old Adolf ain't gonna stop this thread.

Might not stop the thread but no question he was a Hun

[Weststandwanab]

Best not to presume anything where King is concerned. Strikes me as the kind of guy who favours outdoor tables at cafés because it's easier to skip off without paying the bill.

I agree about presuming anything about King but I was actually presuming there was tax on a bottle of champagne before King was born.

[jacomo]

There is none. Did you expect any?

Of course King knows that hun retail is suffering because of the 7.5p/£ they get from the Ashley deal.

Yes, King clearly needs Ashley to 'play ball' - but Ashley wants him in jail. Ashley will crush King like a beetle. The only person that doesn't seem to realise it is King himself.

It's personal, now, with Ashley, and I have seen first hand what he has done to NUFC. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest he'll do worse to the hun than he did to the Mags because the latter bring in £130+ annually in Sky TV and prize money, whereas the former bring in tuppence ha'penny.

I can't wait.

:agree:

I think King was trying to belittle Ashley in that interview, by repeatedly referring to him as a 'retailer'.

His self-regard and inability to realise who he is dealing with is staggering.

[Keith_M]

Has Footballing Armageddon (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oh-no--not-more-6873931) finally arrived at Pittodrie?