Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibercelona]

:agree:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/lol-2.jpg


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/smilies%202/fall_off_chair_laughing.gif

:hilarious

[johnbc70]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17130755

Did anything ever happen about this, or brushed under the carpet?

[Saorsa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17130755

Did anything ever happen about this, or brushed under the carpet?would be my guess

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BTYoDK-3x2k/TGxtaoe9zKI/AAAAAAAAABg/E2bT8AEU9_Y/s1600/sweep+under+rug.jpg

[1875godsgift]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17877910

Why have the guys at the front got scarfs over their face and hoods up etc? Bet they were just itching for a bit of trouble so they could kick off.

As for the placards "SFA sanctions cost Jobs" well that is laughable. They seem to have forget about the 100+ companies they owe money to themselves due to their mismanagement, I am sure some small and some larger ones (like our neighbours) could very well do with the money that Rangers owe them. As for a paid employee of the club Jardine leading this lot then he should be ashamed and if possible the SFA should charge him. You question a ref's decision and its a fine and a touchline ban, you question and ridicule the whole SFA and so far nothing happens.

Very cleverly sectarian that banner isn't it. Neutrals all over the world will be thinking " Awww look at these nice rangers supporters they're all together now....."
Little do they know the next line.....

[silverhibee]

:agree:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/lol-2.jpg


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/smilies%202/fall_off_chair_laughing.gif



Nice mars bar on his face, looks like a well known gangster from weedgieland. Blink Blink. :greengrin

[cad]

Some relevant questions of D&P in here, too

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/duff-phelps-have-delays-in-administration-made-winding-up-of-rangers-certain/



Cracking read ,thanks for the link :aok:

[IWasThere2016]

I fear carnage at Celtic game. Hope Iam wrong but have bad feeling.

There was a time I'd agree but now its the more shame the tewo can bring on oneanother the better. OFGTF :agree:

And just 5,000 Huns - WATP? Does the W stand for Where? :greengrin

[stokesmessiah]

I notice one of their banners says to hell with the SFA & the SNP???? Bit bizarre.

[stokesmessiah]

There seems to be a wind of change blowing in sections of the media re their reporting of RFC and its employees.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/tom-english-mccoist-s-words-were-a-scare-tactic-a-device-that-was-meant-to-heap-pressure-on-the-sfa-1-2263858

[Brooster]

He mightve put his teeth in for the big occasion.



:agree:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/lol-2.jpg


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/smilies%202/fall_off_chair_laughing.gif

[twiceinathens]

As I listened to that irritating little clown produce yet another version of "go compare" I thought that perhaps the lyrics could be adapted something like this to gently wind up the teddy bears

Verse 1

No more bears
We don't care
Yes it's true
We DONT like you
No more bears
Without the wonga
You can't last longer
So now we'll sing
We're glad there's no more bears

Verse 2

As verse 1 but lines 6 and 7
Without the readies
There's no more teddies

Over to the undoubted literary abilities of my fellow posters

[HIBEETILLIDIE]

Without cash. There will be no more sash

[Jim44]

Without bread. They're as good as dead.

[Thecat23]

:agree:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/lol-2.jpg


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/smilies%202/fall_off_chair_laughing.gif

Good to see Lee McCulloch getting involved too!!!

[MCameron]

As I listened to that irritating little clown produce yet another version of "go compare" I thought that perhaps the lyrics could be adapted something like this to gently wind up the teddy bears

Verse 1

No more bears
We don't care
Yes it's true
We DONT like you
No more bears
Without the wonga
You can't last longer
So now we'll sing
We're glad there's no more bears

Verse 2

As verse 1 but lines 6 and 7
Without the readies
There's no more teddies

Over to the undoubted literary abilities of my fellow posters

And thanks to Whytie, it's nighty nighty......

[Sylar]

Ach, piss off OP - I read the title and thought I was waking up to some form of breaking news.

What a dissy :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Some of the people in the slideshow via the link below need to be put down for the good of the gene pool.

Frightening stuff.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-fans-march-en-masse-to-hampden-to-rally-against-sfa-sanctions-1-2262674

A sort of sideshow slideshow, in fact.

[lucky]

I think it was a great turn put. Whilst Rangers are a horrible club and have cheated everyone for years but their fans are fighting to save their club. When Hands of Hibs was formed we received support from every team in the country. I hope they survive but with a heavy punishment

[blueisthecolour]

I see only 7000 huns turned up for their protest walk to Hampden :lolrangers:


Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.

[s.a.m]

I think it was a great turn put. Whilst Rangers are a horrible club and have cheated everyone for years but their fans are fighting to save their club. When Hands of Hibs was formed we received support from every team in the country. I hope they survive but with a heavy punishment

Rangers fans are, as you say, entitled to want to save their club. As far as I can gather, though, yesterday was about marching on the SFA to protest against their club being given a legitimate punishment for their misdemeanours, and the use of a discipline process which was agreed to by their club only last year. Their position doesn't seem to extend beyond 'it might be fair for **** like youse, but we must not be punished because we are the Rangers.' If hibs were to find themselves in Rangers' position, I would be distressed, and I would want to save my club, but I don't think I would be expecting exceptions to be made for us, or blaming everyone else for the problems we had heaped upon ourselves.

[hibee_nation]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.

Link please report says it was 5000 miserable huns there, where you the one in the party hat by any chance. :nanawave:

[hibsbollah]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.

Its pathetic. Hands Off Hibs had as many as that at demos despite a much smaller fan base. Its almost as if Rangers fans, like every teams fans in Scotland, wants your filthy team gone for ever :aok:

[Bishop Hibee]

The banner says "To hell with the SFA, SNP and all!." The "and all" is you and me folks. Hurry up and die :agree:

[BoltonHibee]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.

5,000.

Even your own, manky stinky mob don't give a **** anymore.

[Leithenhibby]

There seems to be a wind of change blowing in sections of the media re their reporting of RFC and its employees.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/tom-english-mccoist-s-words-were-a-scare-tactic-a-device-that-was-meant-to-heap-pressure-on-the-sfa-1-2263858

I was listening to Tom English on "Traynor" and he didn't mince his words with the Der Hun fans that were phoning in.

So refreshing to hear someone "say it, like it is" :agree::aok:

[Lucius Apuleius]

Bugger me it will be the old 100000000 in Manchester next. Sooner yer club dies the better.

[aljo7-0]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.


That was because they counted fingers and divided by 10 - a basic error when dealing with inbred hordes.


PS I was going to simply ignore this and not pass comment on this thread (or indeed your lack of input to the BIG thread about your team) until you started your wind up thread about the big Derby.

[RosComain]

New version of the famine song:
the scam is over, it's time to go bust.

[Spike Mandela]

Blue Knights Charlatans.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/rangers-administration-blue-knights-told-to-up-bid-for-club-after-paltry-offer-1-2263906

[frazeHFC]

As I listened to that irritating little clown produce yet another version of "go compare" I thought that perhaps the lyrics could be adapted something like this to gently wind up the teddy bears

Verse 1

No more bears
We don't care
Yes it's true
We DONT like you
No more bears
Without the wonga
You can't last longer
So now we'll sing
We're glad there's no more bears

Verse 2

As verse 1 but lines 6 and 7
Without the readies
There's no more teddies

Over to the undoubted literary abilities of my fellow posters

:faf: :hilarious

[NAE NOOKIE]

Well I for another will not attend any SPL matches if that happens.

My 2012-13 season ticket will be sent back to Hibs unused.

Everybody will take the action they see fit jgl07 but I couldnt bring myself to go that far. Not because I think its an over the top reaction, because I dont ..... But that would endanger Hibs and no matter what their part in this as part of the SPL for good or bad I couldnt endanger their future.


I would seriously hope having said that, that we go in the right direction based on fair play and ethical thinking ... rather than let bully boy tactics or money win the day.

[degenerated]

Blue Knights Charlatans.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/rangers-administration-blue-knights-told-to-up-bid-for-club-after-paltry-offer-1-2263906

Paul Murray appears to be no more than a time wasting tit with a love for seeing himself in the press. I've probably got more money than him, and I don't get paid till the morn :greengrin

[Lix]

Everybody will take the action they see fit jgl07 but I couldnt bring myself to go that far. Not because I think its an over the top reaction, because I dont ..... But that would endanger Hibs and no matter what their part in this as part of the SPL for good or bad I couldnt endanger their future.


I would seriously hope having said that, that we go in the right direction based on fair play and ethical thinking ... rather than let bully boy tactics or money win the day.
When I renewed my season ticket I said it would be the last time I if a newco Rangers were allowed back in the SPL.

On reflection, what I actually mean is if Hibs VOTE for a newco Rangers to remain in the SPL.

If Hibs vote against and it still happens, I can't blame Hibs for it and so would continue to support them - although I still feel Scottish Football would be a farse.

[Saorsa]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.That's no you in that pic I posted is it?

[Dunbar Hibee]

Anyone else absolutely sick to death of hearing about them?

[iwasthere1972]

Some of the people in the slideshow via the link below need to be put down for the good of the gene pool.

Frightening stuff.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-fans-march-en-masse-to-hampden-to-rally-against-sfa-sanctions-1-2262674

I've seen most of those faces on Crimewatch.

[cabbageandribs1875]

When I renewed my season ticket I said it would be the last time I if a newco Rangers were allowed back in the SPL.

On reflection, what I actually mean is if Hibs VOTE for a newco Rangers to remain in the SPL.

If Hibs vote against and it still happens, I can't blame Hibs for it and so would continue to support them - although I still feel Scottish Football would be a farse.


how many chairmen will be having second thoughts about voting against rangers, now they know they(and their families) will receive threats from super ally's neanderthal army :(

[hibsbollah]

When I renewed my season ticket I said it would be the last time I if a newco Rangers were allowed back in the SPL.

On reflection, what I actually mean is if Hibs VOTE for a newco Rangers to remain in the SPL.

If Hibs vote against and it still happens, I can't blame Hibs for it and so would continue to support them - although I still feel Scottish Football would be a farse.

But will the results of the vote (who voted.for and against) be made public? I doubt it after the threats against Raith Rovers directors this week. But without openness there is no accountability, Petrie could vote for whoever he likes without considering our feelings. It also leaves things wide open for corruption.

I have a feeling there'll be a Hibs-backed Rangers newco in the SPL next year.

[David@EasterRoad]

The longer this nonsense rumbles on the more i think that D&P were asked to keep them going until the end of the season then they will be liquidated. They didn't release any players, just did deals to keep them until the end of the season even though they had nothing to play for and no chance of being relegated. The bidding process has been ridiculous, don't think Brian Kennedy has any interest apart from self publicity and the rest of the blue knights have no money (or no money they are willing to lose). Who is going to buy them anyway when they have a massive potential tax bill coming???

I think the main reason for the outcry about the 12 month signing sanction is that whoever is pulling the strings at rangers thought they would get voted back into the spl as a newco with little or no sanctions from the spl due to the crazy 11-1 voting structure, clearly they didn't expect any trouble from the SFA. Hopefully the SPL and the SFA stand strong against the rangers propagada machine and they get what they deserve.

[neilmartinrocks]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.

the report says 5k turned up now its 10k?
were the same people who do your books counting the crowd?:greengrin

[FraserHFC]

Seems Celtic have kindly donated the Seville calculator to the Rangers fans. We'll be up to 20k next week.

[KeithTheHibby]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.

Who actually cares. I am enjoying the slow and painful demise of the most despicable club in Scotland.

[neilmartinrocks]

I hear there will be at least two bears at hampden!!:greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

I


the report says 5k turned up now its 10k?
were the same people who do your books counting the crowd?:greengrin

Surprised the turnout was so low. From the ruddy hoo-ha in the media I would have expected a Jambo-sized crowd storming Hampden. Does this mean that the other 40,000 Hun regulars don't care, or are as embarrased as the rest of us by this easily-manipulated rump of Neanderthals? Or have they switched their glory-hunting alligiences elsewhere?

[neilmartinrocks]

Seems Celtic have kindly donated the Seville calculator to the Rangers fans. We'll be up to 20k next week.

:top marks

[iwasthere1972]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.

Aye makes a big difference when you don't have to part with any money. :wink:

[Littlest Hobo]

Question: if another club’s finances and very existence are so dependent on Rangers remaining in the SPL what kind of club are they – and do they deserve to survive?


This :cb

Our football clubs must get back to living within their means. T.V money and the OF money should not be something relied upon because it can't be, it's that simple.

[snooky]

When I renewed my season ticket I said it would be the last time I if a newco Rangers were allowed back in the SPL.

On reflection, what I actually mean is if Hibs VOTE for a newco Rangers to remain in the SPL.

If Hibs vote against and it still happens, I can't blame Hibs for it and so would continue to support them - although I still feel Scottish Football would be a farse.


I think the 'f' is surplus there, Lix

[snooky]

The longer this nonsense rumbles on the more i think that D&P were asked to keep them going until the end of the season then they will be liquidated. They didn't release any players, just did deals to keep them until the end of the season even though they had nothing to play for and no chance of being relegated. The bidding process has been ridiculous, don't think Brian Kennedy has any interest apart from self publicity and the rest of the blue knights have no money (or no money they are willing to lose). Who is going to buy them anyway when they have a massive potential tax bill coming???

I think the main reason for the outcry about the 12 month signing sanction is that whoever is pulling the strings at rangers thought they would get voted back into the spl as a newco with little or no sanctions from the spl due to the crazy 11-1 voting structure, clearly they didn't expect any trouble from the SFA. Hopefully the SPL and the SFA stand strong against the rangers propagada machine and they get what they deserve.

Alas, the SPL/SFA, et al have more than just a propaganda machine to contend with.

[Sergey]

Roddy Forsyth was speaking on 5Live on the run-up to the OF match and he insinuated that McCoist is not now ruling out liquidation and starting off again in division 3.

The SPL are seemingly meeting tomorrow to talk about further sanctions. RF seemed to think that they (RFC) may be deducted further points over the next 3 seasons and also lose any TV revenues.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

I see only 7000 huns turned up for their protest walk to Hampden :lolrangers:

I guess when they sing "No one Likes Us, we don't care" It's quite literal !

700?! PATHETIC.

[lyonhibs]

I guess when they sing "No one Likes Us, we don't care" It's quite literal !

700?! PATHETIC.

7000.

Still gash. Where were the other 73,000 they took to Manchester?? Or was it 150,000 they took to trash Manchester. It's tough to keep up with the competing Old Firm lies about their travelling support.

[KeithTheHibby]

7000 departing parkhead as I type!

[snooky]

I



Surprised the turnout was so low. From the ruddy hoo-ha in the media I would have expected a Jambo-sized crowd storming Hampden. Does this mean that the other 40,000 Hun regulars don't care, or are as embarrased as the rest of us by this easily-manipulated rump of Neanderthals? Or have they switched their glory-hunting alligiences elsewhere?

I don't think you're far of the mark there, DBS. There must be quite a few decent RFC supporters who, while having serious concerns about the state of their club, are keeping a low profile due to fear of reprisal and/or embarrassment.

[johnrebus]

Paul Murray appears to be no more than a time wasting tit with a love for seeing himself in the press. I've probably got more money than him, and I don't get paid till the morn :greengrin


What everyone seems to forget is that Craig Whyte still owns Rangers.

Just because Duff and Duffer say he is irrelevant does not mean a jot.


How can they sell a club that belongs to someone else without their (Craig Whyte) involvement?

:timebomb:

[Keith_M]

Police have said 10,000 which was the biggest crowd at any football ground in Scotland yesterday, thats at great amount of people turning up.


In that case, instead of the march, they could each have just donated 16 quid and the SFA fine would have been paid. Or didn't they think of that?


Sorry, I forgot your motto was... "We don't do paying our bills"

[IWasThere2016]

Aye makes a big difference when you don't have to part with any money. :wink:

Oh they were great at parting with it .. It was just everybody else's dosh - including yours and mine and all other taxpayers. Get the kahunts tae f+*k! :agree:

[Dashing Bob S]

Paul Murray appears to be no more than a time wasting tit with a love for seeing himself in the press. I've probably got more money than him, and I don't get paid till the morn :greengrin

Perhaps they might be referred to in the future as the Blue Tits?

(I'm sure somebody like Desperate Dan would be able to use their photoshopping skills to provide the requisite imagery.)

[down-the-slope]

I


Surprised the turnout was so low. From the ruddy hoo-ha in the media I would have expected a Jambo-sized crowd storming Hampden. Does this mean that the other 40,000 Hun regulars don't care, or are as embarrased as the rest of us by this easily-manipulated rump of Neanderthals? Or have they switched their glory-hunting alligiences elsewhere?

:tsk tsk: tut tut Bob you should know its along way from NI / Aberdeen / Fife / Dundee / Edinburgh for the rest to come on a non match day :rolleyes:

[Littlest Hobo]

Anyone else here them singing the Sash and the Billy Boys?

SFA will no doubt ***** it and let it pass without punishment :rolleyes:

[green glory]

Anyone else here them singing the Sash and the Billy Boys?

SFA will no doubt ***** it and let it pass without punishment :rolleyes:

Ach let them sing. It's the last time.

[Dashing Bob S]

Great to see them 'protest' against the SFA, Scottish Government and media (all the people who have been shamelessly brown-nosing them) by singing the sectarian songs they've always sang.

[kano]

The Sash is not sectarian and who cares what they sing? Let them die singing what they want.

[CropleyWasGod]

Roddy Forsyth was speaking on 5Live on the run-up to the OF match and he insinuated that McCoist is not now ruling out liquidation and starting off again in division 3.

The SPL are seemingly meeting tomorrow to talk about further sanctions. RF seemed to think that they (RFC) may be deducted further points over the next 3 seasons and also lose any TV revenues.

Roddy Forsyth also said weeks ago that D&P were doing a deal with HMRC.

[Littlest Hobo]

The Sash is not sectarian and who cares what they sing? Let them die singing what they want.



The three words added on to the end is though...... F T P :agree:

[Keith_M]

The Sash is not sectarian and who cares what they sing? Let them die singing what they want.

It's a song about wearing the Sash of the Orange Order. An organisation whose sole purpose is to 'defend' Protestantism against the yoke of the Church of Rome.

I think other people may have different views than you about what constitutes sectarian.


It's unfortunate that the SFA, Media, et al, in Scotland have taken the same viewpoint for decades of "let them sing what they like", leading to a support that were immune to criticism despite their odious song repertoire.

[Leithenhibby]

Are we still not waiting on the (der huns) being punished for the singing at the Killie game when they got beat 1-0?

[IWasThere2016]

Yup - the skuhum and their filth were clearly audible. Pricks.

[Lungo--Drom]

Did you read the posts below the article?...

"The BBC have revised their plans to have Ally McCoist back on Question of Sport after he demanded to know the identity of each of the Mystery Guests....."

:faf:



There seems to be a wind of change blowing in sections of the media re their reporting of RFC and its employees.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/tom-english-mccoist-s-words-were-a-scare-tactic-a-device-that-was-meant-to-heap-pressure-on-the-sfa-1-2263858

[Lungo--Drom]

From: sport.scotsman.com

Rangers administration: ‘We would welcome application from Rangers to rejoin the SFL’

Scottish Football League chief executive David Longmuir has stepped into the debate about Rangers’ future by saying he would welcome an application from the Ibrox club to start again in the Third Division...

<full article here>>> http://tinyurl.com/c2jncek

Ideally Third Division, then follow the fate of Third Lanark :cb

[joe breezy]

Bring back the Hi Hi's before those *******s

[SteveHFC]

http://i45.tinypic.com/1f756p.jpg

[Ozyhibby]

So how will Hibs vote tomorrow?
Will we find out who voted for what?
Will 2a pass?
Guess well just have to wait an see.

[hibsbollah]

http://i45.tinypic.com/1f756p.jpg

As much as I dislike Celtc, that is :top marks:

[SurferRosa]

Who actually cares. I am enjoying the slow and painful demise of the most despicable club in Scotland.


Well, second most despicable club in Scotland....:wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

http://i45.tinypic.com/1f756p.jpg


:top marks


Although today there will be more than 4 horsemen at Hampden to decide their fate. All 10 of the SPL non OF clubs need to stand together now.

I believe that Conquest, War, Famine and DEATH won't be joined by the Huns favourite horseman, Orange, as the SPL decide/agree on future Financial Fair Play regulations and penalties for any club going into Liquidation/Administration.

A question for Warrington and Cheshire, did Neil Doncaster say the survey results would be on the table at the meeting today?

[Hibs07p]

Yep , 366 days served out of 3 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/23/newsid_3755000/3755282.stm

Which reminded me of this old joke doing the rounds at the time.

Who was the 20 stone jockey that rode a Derby winner?

Lester Piggots cell mate.

The old ones are the best.

[Spike Mandela]

Oh oh.............I smell a rat.

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/

[ScottB]

Oh oh.............I smell a rat.

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/

He ignores a few critical points.

1. Like everyone else, he seems to assume a CVA will be easily accepted. Why will HMRC, Ticketus, or indeed anyone else, be happy with 7 or 8p in the £?

2. The sanctions already imposed on Rangers, assuming they stick, will surely transfer with the license to the newco.

3. Assuming the SFA and SPL roll over and allow this stitch up to happen, witness the legal challenges that will fly from the relegated club, and a gigantic boot with UEFA writ large on the sole coming down hard...

[jst1875]

He ignores a few critical points.

1. Like everyone else, he seems to assume a CVA will be easily accepted. Why will HMRC, Ticketus, or indeed anyone else, be happy with 7 or 8p in the £?

2. The sanctions already imposed on Rangers, assuming they stick, will surely transfer with the license to the newco.

3. Assuming the SFA and SPL roll over and allow this stitch up to happen, witness the legal challenges that will fly from the relegated club, and a gigantic boot with UEFA writ large on the sole coming down hard...

unless i've picked it up wrong, he's assumed the deal goes thru late on the friday after spl/sfa offices are closed. In this case would the deal not be officially concluded /sanctioned until the next working day, in which case the team that played on the sunday would still be oldco ?
:confused:

[JeMeSouviens]

SPL press conference expected shortly.

Is that a bell I hear tolling? :rolleyes:

[Jim44]

:top marks


Although today there will be more than 4 horsemen at Hampden to decide their fate. All 10 of the SPL non OF clubs need to stand together now.

I believe that Conquest, War, Famine and DEATH won't be joined by the Huns favourite horseman, Orange, as the SPL decide/agree on future Financial Fair Play regulations and penalties for any club going into Liquidation/Administration.

A question for Warrington and Cheshire, did Neil Doncaster say the survey results would be on the table at the meeting today?

Stuart Bathgate seems to think that when it comes to the crunch, some clubs will side with Rangers. HERE (http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/stuart-bathgate-no-justice-when-equality-has-gone-out-the-window-1-2264710)

[stokesmessiah]

SPL press conference expected shortly.

Is that a bell I hear tolling? :rolleyes:

Really???

That was bloody quick !

[BarneyK]

Really???

That was bloody quick !

SPL meeting postponed 'til May :rolleyes:

[stokesmessiah]

SPL meeting postponed 'til May :rolleyes:

Clubs apparently wanted more clarity?

Does that mean they are waiting to see if Rangers die or not?

[BarneyK]

Clubs apparently wanted more clarity?

Does that mean they are waiting to see if Rangers die or not?

Probably not keen on the inevitable death threats that come with upsetting Ra Peepul - dancing to Huns tune.

[green glory]

Hampden meeting adjourned till May. IMO a good move. Re-convene when the Huns are dead.

[PaulSmith]

No shock. Not a pair of balls between any of them.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm thinking this is a good thing, no idea why...i just think it is :)

[stokesmessiah]

i'm thinking this is a good thing, no idea why...i just think it is :)

I am guessing that as TBK keep upping their offer by ridiculous amount (bottle o ginger and a pack ay crisps) that very soon the only bid that is going to be viable will be Bill Miller. He has said that he will only do it if there is no further sanctions, so with this running on it could put his bid in jeoprady?

[Spike Mandela]

Clubs apparently wanted more clarity?

Does that mean they are waiting to see if Rangers die or not?

........or has Bill Miller got his deal?


We are about to see our 'authorities' roll over and get their tummies tickled.

[jgl07]

Monday May 14 is Liquidation day.

Two weeks and counting......

[Jim44]

No shock. Not a pair of balls between any of them.

:agree::agree::agree:

Hun reaction -

Instead of making a decision, they have shat it . Self interest is evident and could hopefully speed the process of a blue knights bid.

"SPL ****ting themselves, they now realize the financial power of our fans "

"Chairmen ****ting it in case they are in this scenario should we choose the Div 3 route?"

"Quite clear from Doncaster's comment that they desperately don't want to lose us from the league IMHO."

"Think they've shat it to be honest, especially after the SFA ruling. Push us too far and we head to Div 3 and leave them to die."

"they have bottled it pure and simple time to increase the pressure!!"

"Petrie wanted the meeting cancelled until they find out the outcome of our club. Bottlers"

Bottom line for me is it's a cop-out.

[PaulSmith]

Has McCoist demanded to know why this has been delayed yet. Is this another nail in the coffin, has Sandy Jardine pledged to take sanctions yet...
Questions questions questions

[Leithenhibby]

The fact remains that Der Huns are in a position that does not look good and the SPL have, and in my view, done the right thing. They (spl) don't have all facts available to them and in any business or court for that matter, it has been adjourned...

Too many "if's but's & mibbies" for them to make an honest opinion, :agree: and I feel that was the right call :agree:

Let D&P decide where to go now, what option to take, lets be honest they have taken their time up till now :wink:

Your move D&P ......

[down-the-slope]

Hardly the most reliable of sources but football rumours...........

30 Apr 2012 09:58:41
Tweeted today by Brian McInally of the Mirror:

Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror

Some very good sources indicating the wheels of #Rangers liquidation are in motion & a statement may not be too far away.

please let this be true.....

D&P even saying the other day that BK bid LESS than liquidation would produce for4 creditors....remember at some point they have to answer to the courts on hoiw they have served the creditors...

[green glory]

I'm hearing 11 clubs agreed to the proposed changes. 1 asked for an adjournment, to which all the others agreed. Apparently not 'The Ranjurs' though.

May they rust in peace.

[down-the-slope]

I'm hearing 11 clubs agreed to the proposed changes. 1 asked for an adjournment, to which all the others agreed. Apparently not 'The Ranjurs' though.

May they rust in peace.

wonder if The Tache would do that :rolleyes:...could be to see where we are heading after next couple of games...or could be knowing that D&P need certainty to get a sale done...uncertainty makes things worse for them

[JeMeSouviens]

Too many "if's but's & mibbies" for them to make an honest opinion, :agree: and I feel that was the right call :agree:


Tend to agree with that. Hopefully the BTC verdict will be in soon. If the Huns are found guilty of 10 years' worth of annual multi million pound cheating I think the mood will turn decisively against them.

[Jim44]

wonder if The Tache would do that :rolleyes:...could be to see where we are heading after next couple of games...or could be knowing that D&P need certainty to get a sale done...uncertainty makes things worse for them

From my post below -

"Petrie wanted the meeting cancelled until they find out the outcome of our club. Bottlers"

OK it's just a quote from another fan's website but seems it could be true.

[Spike Mandela]

The fact remains that Der Huns are in a position that does not look good and the SPL have, and in my view, done the right thing. They (spl) don't have all facts available to them and in any business or court for that matter, it has been adjourned...

Too many "if's but's & mibbies" for them to make an honest opinion, :agree: and I feel that was the right call :agree:

Let D&P decide where to go now, what option to take, lets be honest they have taken their time up till now :wink:

Your move D&P ......

What facts do they need.:confused: They are agreeing future sanctions for ANY club forming a newco or being in administration. Delaying the event just allows Rangers to form a newco without these sanctions being in place. They have quite literally shat it.

[Leithenhibby]

Tend to agree with that. Hopefully the BTC verdict will be in soon. If the Huns are found guilty of 10 years' worth of annual multi million pound cheating I think the mood will turn decisively against them.

Big time me thinks. We shall just have to hang tight for another day or two, maybe! :wink:

[RyeSloan]

What facts do they need.:confused: They are agreeing future sanctions for ANY club forming a newco or being in administration. Delaying the event just allows Rangers to form a newco without these sanctions being in place. They have quite literally shat it.


But you have to ask if making said rules when one of the member clubs is teetering on the brink is the correct environment to do so.

I would suggest that letting the Rangers fiasco play out and then sitting back down with the situaiton clarified and then laying down future rules makes a lot of sense. The fact is Rangers might not even exist to consider as a factor and that could only help in allowing the SPL to come to a clear and proper agreement that is not clouded by the immediate impact that would have on a member club.

[Leithenhibby]

What facts do they need.:confused: They are agreeing future sanctions for ANY club forming a newco or being in administration. Delaying the event just allows Rangers to form a newco without these sanctions being in place. They have quite literally shat it.

And what facts do you have that "they shat it".

This thread is 213 pages long and god knows how many posts, that tells you everything you need really :wink:

It complicated to say the least. :agree:

[Spike Mandela]

But you have to ask if making said rules when one of the member clubs is teetering on the brink is the correct environment to do so.

I would suggest that letting the Rangers fiasco play out and then sitting back down with the situaiton clarified and then laying down future rules makes a lot of sense. The fact is Rangers might not even exist to consider as a factor and that could only help in allowing the SPL to come to a clear and proper agreement that is not clouded by the immediate impact that would have on a member club.

SiMar there are already mechanisms in place for transferring SPL share to a newco which is simply the 6 man SPL board backing it. What we are witnessing is this coming to fruition imo. No sanction, no fine, no points penalty, nada.

By the time the SPL make new rules the newco Rangers will be the wealthiest club in the country.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

[Seveno]

But you have to ask if making said rules when one of the member clubs is teetering on the brink is the correct environment to do so.

I would suggest that letting the Rangers fiasco play out and then sitting back down with the situaiton clarified and then laying down future rules makes a lot of sense. The fact is Rangers might not even exist to consider as a factor and that could only help in allowing the SPL to come to a clear and proper agreement that is not clouded by the immediate impact that would have on a member club.

I think that it is called the 'Pontius Pilate' approach.

[Spike Mandela]

And what facts do you have that "they shat it".

This thread is 213 pages long and god knows how many posts, that tells you everything you need really :wink:

It complicated to say the least. :agree:

Apart from 100 odd years of them rolling over and taking it Leithen the viewpoint is entirely my opinion and not fact, yet.:wink:

[Golden Bear]

I see from today's "Scotsman" that Brian Kennedy is number 16 in Scotland's "rich list" with a personal fortune of £250 million while our very own Sir Tom Farmer is at number 33 with a measly £136 million.

:coffee:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Collyer Bristow has spoken for the first time about how it will fight the claims that are threatening to drag the firm’s name through the muddy waters of a Scottish football administration.

http://www.thelawyer.com/collyer-bristow-defiant-i-n-face-off-with-rangers-administrators/1012373.article





Death threats
The firm says Withey was receiving death threats from irate Rangers *supporters and went to ground to shield his family from the worst of it. Suggestions that he fled prejudge his guilt, they say. They fear trial by press, feeding on scraps thrown from the administration process, which wants the same critics to see that it is doing a good job.

surely not death threats from the neanderthals :rolleyes:

[WarringtonHibee]

A question for Warrington and Cheshire, did Neil Doncaster say the survey results would be on the table at the meeting today?

I'm not entirely sure, but they were e-mailed to all clubs and the coverage it had recently, especially if they read fans forums before the survey was even done should make them know how fans feel.

Wait and see, I suppose.

[lapsedhibee]

I see from today's "Scotsman" that Brian Kennedy is number 16 in Scotland's "rich list" with a personal fortune of £250 million while our very own Sir Tom Farmer is at number 33 with a measly £136 million.

If STF cared about Scottish Fitba at all he would buy the Huns and shut them down. Farmer! :grr:

[CropleyWasGod]

If STF cared about Scottish Fitba at all he would buy the Huns and shut them down. Farmer! :grr:

Relax..... agent Kennedy is doing a good job. :wink:

[Jim44]

I see from today's "Scotsman" that Brian Kennedy is number 16 in Scotland's "rich list" with a personal fortune of £250 million while our very own Sir Tom Farmer is at number 33 with a measly £136 million.

:coffee:

I noticed that a certain Graeme Spiers was 83'rd on the list with £63M. Then I noticed the spelling of the Christian name.

[Beefster]

The SPL clubs have delayed the vote on the financial fair-play stuff for a week but managed to push through the important stuff:

"Pitch protection rules will be introduced next season to minimise the risk of damage during pre-match warm-ups"

[DH1875]

Their just dragging it out till the end of the season until they can go into liquidation. Imagine all the crap that would happen if they went under before then, no way could they let a new co in.

[Leithenhibby]

Apart from 100 odd years of them rolling over and taking it Leithen the viewpoint is entirely my opinion and not fact, yet.:wink:


:greengrin

I do realise that, just wanted to try and have a more balanced approach and give them (spl) the benefit of the doubt.

The main thing is that this thread rolls on for our entertainment.... :aok:

[WindyMiller]

From my post below -

"Petrie wanted the meeting cancelled until they find out the outcome of our club. Bottlers"

OK it's just a quote from another fan's website but seems it could be true.


Drivel!

[Andy74]

Could it be Hearts needed to go and ask Vlad if he fancied funding them next month or not? :confused:

[s.a.m]

:greengrin

I do realise that, just wanted to try and have a more balanced approach and give them (spl) the benefit of the doubt.

The main thing is that this thread rolls on for our entertainment.... :aok:

:agree: I've had a couple of months of entertainment out of this. I'm going to miss it, when it's all over.

[Andy74]

The SPL clubs have delayed the vote on the financial fair-play stuff for a week but managed to push through the important stuff:

"Pitch protection rules will be introduced next season to minimise the risk of damage during pre-match warm-ups"

Thank God for that, my faith in the SPL has been restored and I can sleep easy knowing that the warm ups will no longer ruin the pitch.

That retractable pitch can head back to the top of the 'what to spend our cup final money on' pile.

[Mikey]

Their just dragging it out till the end of the season until they can go into liquidation.

:agree:

[jonty]

I noticed that a certain Graeme Spiers was 83'rd on the list with £63M. Then I noticed the spelling of the Christian name.

Nade ? :dunno:

[RyeSloan]

SiMar there are already mechanisms in place for transferring SPL share to a newco which is simply the 6 man SPL board backing it. What we are witnessing is this coming to fruition imo. No sanction, no fine, no points penalty, nada.

By the time the SPL make new rules the newco Rangers will be the wealthiest club in the country.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"


I think that it is called the 'Pontius Pilate' approach.


Possibly although I will be very very surprised if the 6 man board would approve a Rangers newco into the SPL without the backing of the majority of it's members.

There is also the thought that if there are rules in places for the events currently happening why has there been such a rush to revise them? My understanding is that the rules as they stand are unclear and inconclusive in terms of dealing with a Rangers scenario hence my caution of creating new ones in the middle of the crisis, especially if they would be used as a smoke screen/excuse for the final implosion.

Lets face it if Rangers implode and come back as a newco who feel due to their transfer embargo and all the other problems of starting again that their best option is to rejoin the SFL then what value would have been added by the SPL coming out with new rules today that would have satisfied nobody. They would have been called too soft or too hard no matter what.

There is benefit in waiting and considering in this case I think although to be fair you might also be right...just another twist in what is a fascinating story!

[calmac12000]

Much as I might be being naive, I think the crazy situation surrounding the Huns calls for a wee bit of reflection before rushing out new rules that are sure to satisfy no one and probably upset just as many.Providing the SPL are not simply trying to give Rangers the benefit of the doubt for the time being, I've no doubt that there's plenty more **** to hit the fan down Govan way

[lapsedhibee]

Just a wee aside to mention that Lou Macari on Radio5Live earlier today was every bit as bad as every Hun and ex-Hun apologist (Hately, Jardine, McCoist, etc) has been with his 'Scottish Fitba cannot exist without Old Firm derbies and Rangers must stay' pish. If anything it was slightly more disgusting hearing it pour out of an ex-Clt's gob, pointing up again that those clubs are two of a kind.

People have been rightly ridiculing the native weegia's coverage of the whole affair, but Macari's not part of that and he's at least as bad. I've not heard Charlie Nicholas on the topic, but would guess he won't be much different. Perhaps we ought to think of the weegia as not just those who work for local TV, radio and press but as extending to everyone with a public voice who's ever set foot in Ibrox or Parkhead.

[Andy74]

I think everyone is right in that for Scottish Football to remain as it is we need both Celtic and Rangers in the SPL. The thing is, the way it is is crap unless you are a Celtic or Rangers fan, though it seems to be retaining this is the priority all round. We shouldn't be surprised though as papers get sold to these fans in large numbers and TV right are sold reliant on them.

The 'good of Scottish football' seems to be a difficult thing to pin down, it's either about having a commercial product that is forged on two big clubs and trying to allow them to be competitive in Europe and is of wide interest to OF fans and interested outsiders, or it's about a widely comptitive league that can survive on its own two feet and is run in the spirit of fairness, at whatever that natural level turns out to be.

I'm afraid that the self interest of efveryone in the position of influencing the game, be it within football or in the medai, is going to ensure that things get back to 'normal' very quickly, and that will be just great for 'Scottish football'.

[stokesmessiah]

I think everyone is right in that for Scottish Football to remain as it is we need both Celtic and Rangers in the SPL. The thing is, the way it is is crap unless you are a Celtic or Rangers fan, though it seems to be retaining this is the priority all round. We shouldn't be surprised though as papers get sold to these fans in large numbers and TV right are sold reliant on them.

The 'good of Scottish football' seems to be a difficult thing to pin down, it's either about having a commercial product that is forged on two big clubs and trying to allow them to be competitive in Europe and is of wide interest to OF fans and interested outsiders, or it's about a widely comptitive league that can survive on its own two feet and is run in the spirit of fairness, at whatever that natural level turns out to be.

I'm afraid that the self interest of efveryone in the position of influencing the game, be it within football or in the medai, is going to ensure that things get back to 'normal' very quickly, and that will be just great for 'Scottish football'.

:agree:

This.

It won't be long before we are looking back at this thread with a tear in our eyes wondering what might have been.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think everyone is right in that for Scottish Football to remain as it is we need both Celtic and Rangers in the SPL. The thing is, the way it is is crap unless you are a Celtic or Rangers fan, though it seems to be retaining this is the priority all round. We shouldn't be surprised though as papers get sold to these fans in large numbers and TV right are sold reliant on them.

The 'good of Scottish football' seems to be a difficult thing to pin down, it's either about having a commercial product that is forged on two big clubs and trying to allow them to be competitive in Europe and is of wide interest to OF fans and interested outsiders, or it's about a widely comptitive league that can survive on its own two feet and is run in the spirit of fairness, at whatever that natural level turns out to be.

I'm afraid that the self interest of efveryone in the position of influencing the game, be it within football or in the medai, is going to ensure that things get back to 'normal' very quickly, and that will be just great for 'Scottish football'.

For the Huns (with and without microphones, typewriters, laptops ...), the terms "Scottish football" and "The Rangers" are interchangeable.

What I don't get is the reluctance of the other clubs to follow the blindingly obvious path of fairness. Sure, we'd all suffer a short term financial loss but as it would hit all the clubs at the same time, surely it would be a level playing field. Why can't the clubs cut their cloth accordingly? Why aren't they listening to what their own fans want? Why do they seem to be going to miss a once in a lifetime chance to change the structure of the game?

Genuinely baffled. :confused:

[Twa Cairpets]

:agree:

This.

It won't be long before we are looking back at this thread with a tear in our eyes wondering what might have been.

Ultimately, on the assumption that Rangers "draw" remains substantially larger than everyone elses apart from their ugly sisters, that will be the case. They'll get more money because they have more fans and they will therefore be able to pay for better players and therefore in the fullness of time be more succesful - that is the sad underlying fact. I've said fromt he start the only fair thing is for them ot go down to Div 3 - newco or otherwise - and play their way back up.

Much as I'd like them to suffer for eternity, there is a realistic pennace they should be made to serve, and that, to me is it. It'll be so refreshing to have them gone for three years at least, and hopefully (but Im not holding my breath) returning humbler to the SPL in 2015 or thereabouts

[stokesmessiah]

Ultimately, on the assumption that Rangers "draw" remains substantially larger than everyone elses apart from their ugly sisters, that will be the case. They'll get more money because they have more fans and they will therefore be able to pay for better players and therefore in the fullness of time be more succesful - that is the sad underlying fact. I've said fromt he start the only fair thing is for them ot go down to Div 3 - newco or otherwise - and play their way back up.

Much as I'd like them to suffer for eternity, there is a realistic pennace they should be made to serve, and that, to me is it. It'll be so refreshing to have them gone for three years at least, and hopefully (but Im not holding my breath) returning humbler to the SPL in 2015 or thereabouts

You just know it would more along the lines of..."We're back lets F****** getting in to this cheathing bheasts, they thought they could keep us down, we are the people" or words to that effect.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

As much as I dislike Celtc, that is :top marks:


Ripped me off so they did!

http://www.hibs.net/asset.php?fid=7620&uid=18518&d=1334701517

[Mikeystewart]

If rangers became a New-Co would they retain the stadium and training facilities or are these assets that will be sold off to pay the creditors?

[RabMohr]

If rangers became a New-Co would they retain the stadium and training facilities or are these assets that will be sold off to pay the creditors?

Good question...I thought that they couldn't move any assets to another company?

[down the slope]

Doncaster now on sportsound more or less saying that a newco is not much different from the CVA route, now you know how they will vote, more or less rubished the supporter survey, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/17325775

[Hibernia&Alba]

If rangers became a New-Co would they retain the stadium and training facilities or are these assets that will be sold off to pay the creditors?

If they are liquidated, all assets of the present club would be sold off, unless a buyer couldn't be found and then those facilities were then rented back to the Newco (if they could afford the rent). The first plan would be to sell off the stadium and all other saleable assets in order to pay creditors.

[JeMeSouviens]

If rangers became a New-Co would they retain the stadium and training facilities or are these assets that will be sold off to pay the creditors?

They will most likely be sold by the oldco to the newco. Neither are worth very much for anything other than their football related use.

So the chat you hear about Bill Miller offering £11M means he is offering that much to buy the assets of Rangers including stadium and training ground which would then be owned by the Newco. He then offers some pie in the sky pish about keeping the oldco alive, bringing it out of admin via CVA while newco carries on playing and then eventually merging the 2 companies later. Therefore keeping an unbroken history.

[green glory]

Slippery as the above and ready to drop them for the bigots methinks.

Call me cynical.

[fatbloke]

Slippery as the above and ready to drop them for the bigots methinks.

Call me cynical.

Green Glory you are cynical. But correct

[Dashing Bob S]

Drivel!

The Hun support must be desperate when they are reduced to stealing comments from our old Petrie threads.

[green is good]

What would happen about the transfer ban if Bill Miller's bid is successful since he seems to want to have both newcurrants and currentcurrants alive until a later date?

[NAE NOOKIE]

If the current bun fans think the vote on the new rules being postponed is a bad thing, then it must have been a good thing.

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds like Doncaster is preparing us all for a Rangers Newco in the spl next season. Shameful if true. I won't be back if Hibs allow this to happen.

[MSK]

Sounds like Doncaster is preparing us all for a Rangers Newco in the spl next season. Shameful if true. I won't be back if Hibs allow this to happen.Aw deary me ...:yawn2:

[seanshow]

What would happen about the transfer ban if Bill Miller's bid is successful since he seems to want to have both newcurrants and currentcurrants alive until a later date?


As far as Doncaster is concerned the transfer ban would be attached barnacle like to the oldco and slip into the clyde without trace, meanwhile the newco will request donations from the other 11 clubs to restore the queens eleven to its former glory in time for the start of next season.
The remaining clubs will wholeheartedly agree and will be seen running from the building trouserless with large painted arrows saying shaft me here.

........................I think that about sums it up.

[Ray_]

Aw deary me ...:yawn2:

I know, its shocking having principles!

[DaveF]

Sounds like Doncaster is preparing us all for a Rangers Newco in the spl next season. Shameful if true. I won't be back if Hibs allow this to happen.

I would not attend Rantic games at ER (assuming we are in the SPL :greengrin) - my seat would be empty and the club would know why.

[woodythehibee]

I listened to the show and he basically said that Rangers could be re-admitted to the SPL without any punishment. He said they SPL board would decide on the basis of the improving the SPL league which realistically means that they would remain in the SPL.

[Paisley Hibby]

As far as Doncaster is concerned the transfer ban would be attached barnacle like to the oldco and slip into the clyde without trace, meanwhile the newco will request donations from the other 11 clubs to restore the queens eleven to its former glory in time for the start of next season.
The remaining clubs will wholeheartedly agree and will be seen running from the building trouserless with large painted arrows saying shaft me here.

........................I think that about sums it up.

Yes - that sounds pretty accurate :agree:

[jdships]

I listened to the show and he basically said that Rangers could be re-admitted to the SPL without any punishment. He said they SPL board would decide on the basis of the improving the SPL league which realistically means that they would remain in the SPL.


Would make a good politician and like them I wouldn't trust him
" WHITEWASH " coming up methinks ! :confused:

[shagpile]

Aw deary me ...:yawn2:

You find this tiresome? If you want to ignore what rangers& their custodians have done then on you go. For me,It's like someone giving it to you up the arse & you then thanking them for it.:rolleyes:







I know, its shocking having principles!

No it isn't, because there will be at least the two of us.:aok:

[snooky]

The cynic in me says that if & when the wounded one gets better he's gonna be more intolerable and a bigger bully than ever
...... and, he will vent his wrath on all who dared to challenge him. Beware!


I might be wrong though, he could turn out to be nice cuddly teddy bear :fibber:

[down the slope]

On the fans survey he more or less rubbished it by saying that when things were explained to them they understood what the position was !, the man is a complete erse of the highest order and he will rue the day he lets a Rangers newco straight back in the SPL , mark my words that is what is going to happen if has his way as he mentioned a few times that was what has happened in England with various clubs. He is a slippery as a snake and we are all wasting our time with surveys, protests the lot as the die is cast and Rangers will be in the SPL next season.

[Northernhibee]

Shamelessly nicked:

Rangers FC 2013 Line up - Naismith, Naifuture, Naiclass, Naimoney, Naistadium, Naihope, Naitrophies, Naiprospects, Naifans, Naimanager, Naiplayers.

[Saorsa]

Doncaster = OF http://smiliesftw.com/x/ass_licker.gif

[Gatecrasher]

On the fans survey he more or less rubbished it by saying that when things were explained to them they understood what the position was !, the man is a complete erse of the highest order and he will rue the day he lets a Rangers newco straight back in the SPL , mark my words that is what is going to happen if has his way as he mentioned a few times that was what has happened in England with various clubs. He is a slippery as a snake and we are all wasting our time with surveys, protests the lot as the die is cast and Rangers will be in the SPL next season.
:agree:

The guy is a complete arse, Employing this man could be the biggest mistake the SPL has made. He has shown countless times that the fans dont matter as long as the TV money is there. Im hoping the clubs see sense and throw them out or there will be hell to pay.

[jgl07]

If rangers became a New-Co would they retain the stadium and training facilities or are these assets that will be sold off to pay the creditors?

The Newco would have to buy any assets from the Oldco. This will require the approval of creditors (and presumably Craig Whyte?).

[jdships]

As far as Doncaster is concerned the transfer ban would be attached barnacle like to the oldco and slip into the clyde without trace, meanwhile the newco will request donations from the other 11 clubs to restore the queens eleven to its former glory in time for the start of next season.
The remaining clubs will wholeheartedly agree and will be seen running from the building trouserless with large painted arrows saying shaft me here.

........................I think that about sums it up.


As I posted on another thread BIG WHITEWASH coming up and we will all " live happily everafter" YUCH !!!!!!!!!!!
SPL is a joke sorry a BIG JOKE - does it really have a future ?
:rolleyes:

[Saorsa]

As I posted on another thread BIG WHITEWASH coming up and we will all " live happily everafter" YUCH !!!!!!!!!!!
SPL is a joke sorry a BIG JOKE - does it really have a future ?
:rolleyes:No for me it disnae, if this happens Scottish fitba will lose what little credibility and integrity it has left. If they start the SPL next season in any form I winnae be back ever. I'll find better things tae dae with my money than put it in tae something which is so blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt. If they get away with cheating on this scale the rest of us might as well pack up.

[Killiehibbie]

No for me it disnae, if this happens Scottish fitba will lose what little credibility and integrity it has left. If they start the SPL next season in any form I winnae be back ever. I'll find better things tae dae with my money than put it in tae something which is so blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt.Along with many others. The SPL will just be confirming that SPORT has absolutely no place in the business of taking money from us. All this SPL football needs Rangers to survive crap really get on my wick, they wouldn't be here if anybody else would have them.

[Hibees07]

I haven't really thought much about the Rangers situation however the thought of Hibs going down to Division 1 and Rangers staying in the SPL would leave a very bitter taste in the mouth.

What would put the icing on the cake is if Petrie and Co actually vote to protect Rangers SPL status despite about 98% or so of Hibs fans objecting to this in the survey.

That would be a double shafting for us and one I don't think I could stomach.

[proud_and_green]

I think everyone is right in that for Scottish Football to remain as it is we need both Celtic and Rangers in the SPL. The thing is, the way it is is crap unless you are a Celtic or Rangers fan, though it seems to be retaining this is the priority all round. We shouldn't be surprised though as papers get sold to these fans in large numbers and TV right are sold reliant on them.

The 'good of Scottish football' seems to be a difficult thing to pin down, it's either about having a commercial product that is forged on two big clubs and trying to allow them to be competitive in Europe and is of wide interest to OF fans and interested outsiders, or it's about a widely comptitive league that can survive on its own two feet and is run in the spirit of fairness, at whatever that natural level turns out to be.

I'm afraid that the self interest of efveryone in the position of influencing the game, be it within football or in the medai, is going to ensure that things get back to 'normal' very quickly, and that will be just great for 'Scottish football'.

"The good of Scottish Football" is a very interesting statement. Conveniently used now in support of Rangers. But of course, they weren't interested in the good of Scottish Football when they wanted to leg it to England, the Atlantic, Brazil or wherever a couple of years ago.

How is the good of scottish football best served? In my view by being completely honest, open, fair and consistent in all dealings with all clubs at all times.

What is going on now is clearly not fair and has no shread of consistency when it is compared to how Livingston, Gretna and Motherwell amongst others were treated. (although i do not think what happened to them was wrong but certainly has been encouraged by the suits at Hampden).

It is not in the interests of the fans of the majority of the clubs, but it is in the interests of their owners, because without the old firm the revenue will reduce and without the revenue the profit (if there is any) will also reduce. The ability to maintain expensive squads and large grounds will be questionable. But without them there will be a more competetive league which may just rejuvenate the game and perhaps consequently bring back the fans and also perhaps give greater opportunity to young home grown players. Of course there would be a period of considerable pain but i think we would have a better product at the far end.

So therefore, the answer is that the good of Scottish Football actually means the interest of the the owners, the OF and the suits at Hampden but most certainly the Good of Scottish Football does NOT mean in the best interest and good of the fans.

OFGTF

[Jack]

What's the point in playing to the rules, both football and fiscal, if this is true?

I really despair. It would seem any thread of integrity remaining lies with UEFA or the courts, maybe through a judicial review into the decisions made.

[Weir7]

"The good of Scottish Football" is a very interesting statement. Conveniently used now in support of Rangers. But of course, they weren't interested in the good of Scottish Football when they wanted to leg it to England, the Atlantic, Brazil or wherever a couple of years ago.

How is the good of scottish football best served? In my view by being completely honest, open, fair and consistent in all dealings with all clubs at all times.

What is going on now is clearly not fair and has no shread of consistency when it is compared to how Livingston, Gretna and Motherwell amongst others were treated. (although i do not think what happened to them was wrong but certainly has been encouraged by the suits at Hampden).

It is not in the interests of the fans of the majority of the clubs, but it is in the interests of their owners, because without the old firm the revenue will reduce and without the revenue the profit (if there is any) will also reduce. The ability to maintain expensive squads and large grounds will be questionable. But without them there will be a more competetive league which may just rejuvenate the game and perhaps consequently bring back the fans and also perhaps give greater opportunity to young home grown players. Of course there would be a period of considerable pain but i think we would have a better product at the far end.

So therefore, the answer is that the good of Scottish Football actually means the interest of the the owners, the OF and the suits at Hampden but most certainly the Good of Scottish Football does NOT mean in the best interest and good of the fans.

OFGTF

If it comes to a vote to allow new hun co to get back in. Petrie could vote no. Will he? I think he won't. Email him [email protected]

[CropleyWasGod]

What's the point in playing to the rules, both football and fiscal, if this is true?

I really despair. It would seem any thread of integrity remaining lies with UEFA or the courts, maybe through a judicial review into the decisions made.

If what is true?

All that seems to have happened today is that a decision has been deferred.

[proud_and_green]

Another thought occurs. The problem is the business model of clubs relies on and is held hostage to the whims of the OF turning up 4 times a year. The model should be to maximise home support and ensure that the home crowd pays for everything - that is the only way to break the hold of the OF. Cut the apron strings and allow the game to flourish independantly, a 16 team top league which is competetive and delivers an exciting product.

[Weir7]

Another thought occurs. The problem is the business model of clubs relies on and is held hostage to the whims of the OF turning up 4 times a year. The model should be to maximise home support and ensure that the home crowd pays for everything - that is the only way to break the hold of the OF. Cut the apron strings and allow the game to flourish independantly, a 16 team top league which is competetive and delivers an exciting product.

Agree. Hibs, dons and goRgie tramps should start a new league. Invite 13 other teams to join. No old firm.

[down-the-slope]

If what is true?

All that seems to have happened today is that a decision has been deferred.

:agree: in the absence of fact....just invent some :rolleyes:

Everyone who has kept a close eye on this knows that liquidation would be avoided at all cost (if possible) until league finishes...therefore the clubs are trying to push things to a point where that may have / be about to happen as it would make things clearer....but also why rush new rule changes...it only suits Rangers to have more certainty.....

[Saorsa]

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[down the slope]

If it comes to a vote to allow new hun co to get back in. Petrie could vote no. Will he? I think he won't. Email him [email protected]

Rp is not on the board of the SPL who will make the decision-me sticking up for Rod there's a first !, can't remember who some of the board are but Donkey and Ralph Topping are two of them so there is no chance of any integrity being shown.

[Moulin Yarns]

Here's a thought on the deferral of the decisions today. Maybe, just maybe, Doncaster, and some of the clubs have looked at the fan survey and thought, crap, we are screwed if even 10% of the fans go ahead. They need more time to get it sorted, or there will be more than huns going to the wall.

Just surmising, like.

[CropleyWasGod]

Here's a thought on the deferral of the decisions today. Maybe, just maybe, Doncaster, and some of the clubs have looked at the fan survey and thought, crap, we are screwed if even 10% of the fans go ahead. They need more time to get it sorted, or there will be more than huns going to the wall.

Just surmising, like.

Far too positive for today's mood, IMO. :greengrin

Just surmising, like.

[down the slope]

Here's a thought on the deferral of the decisions today. Maybe, just maybe, Doncaster, and some of the clubs have looked at the fan survey and thought, crap, we are screwed if even 10% of the fans go ahead. They need more time to get it sorted, or there will be more than huns going to the wall.

Just surmising, like.

Hope you are right but i wouldnae haud yer breath wi that one, if you had heard the interview tonight you would have heard from his answers and the tone of them that he was paving the way for a Newco to be admitted , utterly sickening if true but they might just rue the day.

[ScottB]

Another thought occurs. The problem is the business model of clubs relies on and is held hostage to the whims of the OF turning up 4 times a year. The model should be to maximise home support and ensure that the home crowd pays for everything - that is the only way to break the hold of the OF. Cut the apron strings and allow the game to flourish independantly, a 16 team top league which is competetive and delivers an exciting product.

Does it? I'm not convinced in the slightest.

Firstly, didn't Dunfermline's Chairman recently say they make more money out of us going there than Rangers, as we take almost as many fans but need only a quarter of the policing costs.

Secondly, the Old Firm coming 4 times a year. That's only a possibility for 4 clubs, and even then not a cert. I would imagine any club that is being smart will base their budget on being bottom 6, so budgeting for only one visit from each of them. How many seasons has it been since ER played host to Rantic 4 times in a season? We haven't folded from the lack of income that I've noticed.


Like everything else, it's a myth that is treated as an accepted truth as part of the push to keep Rangers in the SPL. I'd wager more clubs will end up in difficulty if they get parachuted back in than if they get dumped out.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Never mind all this CVA, NEWCO in out, shakeit all about. I think we all knew a while back that there will be a RFC in the SPL next season.
The real question for me is... What the hell sort of a hair cut is that Doncaster sporting? Dude that is not good!

[p=sh]

On the fans survey he more or less rubbished it by saying that when things were explained to them they understood what the position was !, the man is a complete erse of the highest order and he will rue the day he lets a Rangers newco straight back in the SPL , mark my words that is what is going to happen if has his way as he mentioned a few times that was what has happened in England with various clubs. He is a slippery as a snake and we are all wasting our time with surveys, protests the lot as the die is cast and Rangers will be in the SPL next season.

If that happens (RFC in the SPL next season) I will never set foot again in a scottish football stadium. I am about to write to Hibs FC to explain my reasoning for this. Genuinely I feel there are thousands of fans who share my view. This is a defining moment for scottish football and I'm not optimistic.
My only hope is that UEFA will prevent it but that will be very ugly.

[Dalkeith]

Im hoping the clubs see sense and throw them out or there will be hell to pay.

and the only clubs to suffer will be the very clubs that vote to let them stay in spl

[Ozyhibby]

Aw deary me ...:yawn2:

It may be a little boring for you but I can assure you I'm not alone. I can just about handle the fact that the quality of football in the SPL is inferior to what's available elsewhere but I won't watch a rigged game.
My spend on Hibs each year is considerable(2 sons) but if Hibs decide they can do without my money in favour of filling the away end twice a season then that is up to Hibs.
It will be loss for me not bringing the boys to Easter road but it is the principle that is the most important thing.

[Weir7]

Rp is not on the board of the SPL who will make the decision-me sticking up for Rod there's a first !, can't remember who some of the board are but Donkey and Ralph Topping are two of them so there is no chance of any integrity being shown.

This should go to a full vote of all teams. Hibs need to let Rod know our views.

[ScottB]

All of this seems to assume whatever pittance of a CVA is offered is going to be accepted.

Now either they all know something we don't, or they are just hoping it will. But I see no reason as to why HMRC (or Ticketus, or indeed anyone else) would be happy with the sort of 7p or 8p in the £ that's going to be on offer. Certainly from the Revenues point of view, shutting the club down would be worth more to them (both possibly in income, but more importantly as a warning to others) than accepting the CVA, which is of course against their stated policy for football clubs.

Even if the SPL is just itching to welcome them back in with open arms, HMRC still loom large over this, and UEFA wait behind them. After what they did to the Swiss there is no way they will just stand by and watch. I've long thought it would take UEFA having a reason to come in for our game to get cleaned up, I welcome them with open arms if they are needed!

[proud_and_green]

Does it? I'm not convinced in the slightest.

Firstly, didn't Dunfermline's Chairman recently say they make more money out of us going there than Rangers, as we take almost as many fans but need only a quarter of the policing costs.

Secondly, the Old Firm coming 4 times a year. That's only a possibility for 4 clubs, and even then not a cert. I would imagine any club that is being smart will base their budget on being bottom 6, so budgeting for only one visit from each of them. How many seasons has it been since ER played host to Rantic 4 times in a season? We haven't folded from the lack of income that I've noticed.

Like everything else, it's a myth that is treated as an accepted truth as part of the push to keep Rangers in the SPL. I'd wager more clubs will end up in difficulty if they get parachuted back in than if they get dumped out.

I think you are supporting my point which is we shouldn't think that we need the OF. We don't and the nonOF clubs must build everything on getting their own fans back into their own grounds and making the product attractive and competetive without this real or perceived reliance on them.

PS

OFGTF

[carnoustiehibee]

It may be a little boring for you but I can assure you I'm not alone. I can just about handle the fact that the quality of football in the SPL is inferior to what's available elsewhere but I won't watch a rigged game.
My spend on Hibs each year is considerable(2 sons) but if Hibs decide they can do without my money in favour of filling the away end twice a season then that is up to Hibs.
It will be loss for me not bringing the boys to Easter road but it is the principle that is the most important thing.

:top marks there is thousands like you, not just hibs fans aswell, most fans of other teams ive spoken to will do exactly the same.

[proud_and_green]

It may be a little boring for you but I can assure you I'm not alone. I can just about handle the fact that the quality of football in the SPL is inferior to what's available elsewhere but I won't watch a rigged game.
My spend on Hibs each year is considerable(2 sons) but if Hibs decide they can do without my money in favour of filling the away end twice a season then that is up to Hibs.
It will be loss for me not bringing the boys to Easter road but it is the principle that is the most important thing.

Absolutely agree re the filling the away end. why don't they just give our grounds over completely to the OF when they arrive - that would make more sense.

This whole thing was talked about early on as our opportunity to re-claim the game from the suits and OF. We should march on Hampden to register our displeasure at the way that we - the Fans - are being treated. Strathclyde's finest wouldn't allow it though. Nice thought though - non-OF supporters uniting to tell the Man that we're really not happy with their crap!

OFGTF

[Jack]

If what is true?

All that seems to have happened today is that a decision has been deferred.

Sorry I should have been more explicit. This.


Hope you are right but i wouldnae haud yer breath wi that one, if you had heard the interview tonight you would have heard from his answers and the tone of them that he was paving the way for a Newco to be admitted , utterly sickening if true but they might just rue the day.

Up till now I've believed it wouldn't be possible for the SFA or SPL to get away with a newco being allowed directly into the SPL.

UEFA gave me hope, from that they've supposedly said and certainly precedents set, that our authorities wouldn't be stupid enough to even attempt it.

Now I'm not so sure.

The Swiss were threatened with exclusion from all levels of football, that's from national to kids tournaments. Why wouldn't they do the same to Scotland?

There are also those at international level, as we all know, who would like to see a team GB. That could be a condition of re-entry.

It might a doomsday scenario or extreme bed wetting. I suspect the countries previously threatened thought their sheets were safe at the time too.

[Spike Mandela]

Doncaster pretty much sets out the future here. It's newcoville for Rangers and no punishment. We can all pack up and go home it's a whitewash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/17892984

[green glory]

Doncaster and the SPL need to be told to GTF.

[snooky]

"Former SPL chief executive Roger Mitchell believes a solution will eventually be found that keeps Rangers in the top flight.
He told BBC Radio Scotland: "The clubs vote principally through self-interest and they will all have had a word with their bank managers, who will have said 'whatever you do, make sure you still have revenue from a television deal and from Rangers fans coming through the turnstyles' "

If that's the case then it will be ONLY Rangers fans coming through turnstyles.
Time to shut up shop when Bankers start making the rules of the game and money overides integrity.
Shocking statement IMO

[Rossco1875]

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[Onion]

Doncaster pretty much sets out the future here. It's newcoville for Rangers and no punishment. We can all pack up and go home it's a whitewash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/17892984

They've got the ****ters. What a lot of crap about it affecting 12 clubs when we all know it about the Huns. Absolute COWARDS, the lot of them :rolleyes:

[jdships]

No for me it disnae, if this happens Scottish fitba will lose what little credibility and integrity it has left. If they start the SPL next season in any form I winnae be back ever. I'll find better things tae dae with my money than put it in tae something which is so blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt. If they get away with cheating on this scale the rest of us might as well pack up.

Agree totally with what you write !!
As it stands I have drifted away from football as my source of entertainment and very much pick and chosse which games I attend.
One of my pet hates all my life has been being patronised , be it at work in a shop or wherever , and this is exactly what this imposter Doncaster is doing to every non RFC football supporter in Scotland .
Like you if this is the way things are going to be I will have no problems in becoming an armchair supporter of whatever team I fancy on the night .
Scottish Football RIP
:bye:

[Leithenhibby]

"Former SPL chief executive Roger Mitchell believes a solution will eventually be found that keeps Rangers in the top flight.
He told BBC Radio Scotland: "The clubs vote principally through self-interest and they will all have had a word with their bank managers, who will have said 'whatever you do, make sure you still have revenue from a television deal and from Rangers fans coming through the turnstyles' "

If that's the case then it will be ONLY Rangers fans coming through turnstyles.
Time to shut up shop when Bankers start making the rules of the game and money overides integrity.
Shocking statement IMO

:agree:

Just thinking the same thing, it's a sad day when you can't even count on your local friendly bank manager to do the right thing!!. I mean, it's not as though they have got it wrong before:wink:

[Kaiser1962]

The Newco would have to buy any assets from the Oldco. This will require the approval of creditors (and presumably Craig Whyte?).

I dont think the "creditors" have to be consulted and the administrators can sell the assetts to whomever they see fit. Sad but true.

[greenginger]

I sat in stunned silence when that was on, wouldn't like to listen to it again.
It seems that the only ones to suffer will be the creditors, the ten diddy teams that are in the league to help rangers and celtic get into europe, fair play and scottish football so that'll be worth waiting for.

There is no mechanism at present to stop a newco re entering the spl. there are no sanctions available to take against a team that enter into liquidation.

Craig Whyte is a genius by the way.

There is a mechanism, the SPL board simply does not approve of the share transfer, but listening to that toad Doncaster there is no chance of that happening.

One SPL rule that he seems to have overlooked is H 5, which says if any Club ( existing Huns ) in the league ceases to operate or be a member of the league for any reason -------------and the number of relegation places from the league SHALL be reduced accordingly.

It does not say another Club ( Newco Huns ) can take its place.

If that was the case could we transfer our SPL share to Barcelona and get them to play our last three games for us ? :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

I dont think the "creditors" have to be consulted and the administrators can sell the assetts to whomever they see fit. Sad but true.

They act on behalf of the creditors, and are charged to get the best return possible for them. They effectively take the assets over, and have almost complete control over them.

[jgl07]

I dont think the "creditors" have to be consulted and the administrators can sell the assetts to whomever they see fit. Sad but true.

So you think that HMRC, Ticketus, et al will sit quietly and watch the Oldco transfer the ownership of Ibrox and Murray Park to a Newco for peanuts?

[CropleyWasGod]

So you think that HMRC, Ticketus, et al will sit quietly and watch the Oldco transfer the ownership of Ibrox and Murray Park to Newco for peanuts?

Like I say, the liquidators have to act on behalf of the creditors. If the scenario you describe happens, the other creditors can petition the Court to act accordingly.

[Just_Jimmy]

Doncaster waffling pish on ITV now. He's been reasonably pushed tbf. He's basically said that Newco's are fine, the SPL is great and long live der hun.

[MSK]

It may be a little boring for you but I can assure you I'm not alone. I can just about handle the fact that the quality of football in the SPL is inferior to what's available elsewhere but I won't watch a rigged game.
My spend on Hibs each year is considerable(2 sons) but if Hibs decide they can do without my money in favour of filling the away end twice a season then that is up to Hibs.
It will be loss for me not bringing the boys to Easter road but it is the principle that is the most important thing.No you are not alone but what gets on my goat is folk blabbing on here about not buying season tickets ever again..never going back ever again ..blah de ****ing blah ..IF hibs do this ..IF hibs do that ...IF ..at least wait until hibs or the SFA announce anything before you turn your back on the club ...:blah:

**** ..its like being back at primary school !!!!

[johnbc70]

It may be a little boring for you but I can assure you I'm not alone. I can just about handle the fact that the quality of football in the SPL is inferior to what's available elsewhere but I won't watch a rigged game.
My spend on Hibs each year is considerable(2 sons) but if Hibs decide they can do without my money in favour of filling the away end twice a season then that is up to Hibs.
It will be loss for me not bringing the boys to Easter road but it is the principle that is the most important thing.

You are not alone, if newco are straight back into SPL then the message from the SPL is loud and clear that they care not one bit about fairness, sporting integrity and the fans and that the SPL is just a set up for Celtic and Rangers to prosper. Not something I would happily support and fund thanks very much. At least today while we all know it is like this to some extent and the odds are in the Old Firms favour already, to actually rewrite the rules to reinforce this and suit just one club as a result of their own self made problems will be a step too far for me.

I will still support Hibs though but more than likely from a distance, and will certainly not be going to nearly as many games as I do now, which as a ST holder is every home game.

[MountcastleHibs]

Doncaster waffling pish on ITV now. He's been reasonably pushed tbf. He's basically said that Newco's are fine, the SPL is great and long live der hun.

He pretty much advocated clubs going into administration and liquidation and coming back as new co's. What a complete erse! No wonder our game is Donald ducked with trumpets like him in charge of our game.

[johnbc70]

No you are not alone but what gets on my goat is folk blabbing on here about not buying season tickets ever again..never going back ever again ..blah de ****ing blah ..IF hibs do this ..IF hibs do that ...IF ..at least wait until hibs or the SFA announce anything before you turn your back on the club ...:blah:

**** ..its like being back at primary school !!!!

Is he not saying IF newco are back in the SPL, if they trade their way out of admin and agree a CVA then fair enough they stay in the SPL and I have no problem with that. All if and buts at the moment but people are just expressing their views on the current situation which as every day passes looks more and more like liquidation which will mean a newco will either be back in the SPL or not.

[Kaiser1962]

They act on behalf of the creditors, and are charged to get the best return possible for them. They effectively take the assets over, and have almost complete control over them.

And they can sell them to a Newco if they see fit to do so without consulting anybody?

[CropleyWasGod]

And they can sell them to a Newco if they see fit to do so without consulting anybody?

Yup.... but, like I say, if they try to sell them at stupid money, any creditor can petition the Court to have the transaction reversed. It would then be up to the liquidator to show that the transaction was at a fair value.

A liquidator, like an administrator, is independent of the company. Any suggestion of collusion or corruption would not be good for their reputation.

[Kaiser1962]

So you think that HMRC, Ticketus, et al will sit quietly and watch the Oldco transfer the ownership of Ibrox and Murray Park to a Newco for peanuts?

I dont think they will, no. But if the administrators can justify the deal as the "best available" then I am not sure what any creditors can do about it tbh. I am sure the previous directors may face a rough ride over their inflated valuation of the properties owned by the football club but that is not the administrators immediate problem.

[CentreLine]

It may be a little boring for you but I can assure you I'm not alone. I can just about handle the fact that the quality of football in the SPL is inferior to what's available elsewhere but I won't watch a rigged game.
My spend on Hibs each year is considerable(2 sons) but if Hibs decide they can do without my money in favour of filling the away end twice a season then that is up to Hibs.
It will be loss for me not bringing the boys to Easter road but it is the principle that is the most important thing.

:agree:

[MSK]

Is he not saying IF newco are back in the SPL, if they trade their way out of admin and agree a CVA then fair enough they stay in the SPL and I have no problem with that. All if and buts at the moment but people are just expressing their views on the current situation which as every day passes looks more and more like liquidation which will mean a newco will either be back in the SPL or not.I know what he is saying John but the hysteria on here is pretty astounding ..never stepping foot back in ER again etc etc etc ..aye right ...

[down the slope]

Here is a resume of what Doncaster said on radio Scotland.

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=8839&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[PatHead]

I know what he is saying John but the hysteria on here is pretty astounding ..never stepping foot back in ER again etc etc etc ..aye right ...

If you look at the survey thread a lot of people were saying that. Not hysteria......fact. I would also be one of them.

[Ozyhibby]

I know what he is saying John but the hysteria on here is pretty astounding ..never stepping foot back in ER again etc etc etc ..aye right ...

There's a good few thousands Hibs fans finding an excuse not to go already these days.
Like you say, let's wait and see but it's important the club know in advance just how strongly some fans feel about this.

[WarringtonHibee]

What's the actual point anymore?

The SPL is seen as a laughing stock down here, and I understand why. Scrap the whole ****ing lot and start again.

[IndieHibby]

To those of you belittling the rejection of SPL football as a form of entertainment in the light of Doncaster's supposedly concrete assertions that we will see a (debt free?) Newco next year - please present an argument to convince us that supporting any non-OF team has any merit. Because I can't see it!

[Just Alf]

Here is a resume of what Doncaster said on radio Scotland.

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=8839&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Aye... interesting stuff... especially...

"This is the bottom line for you and for Doncaster. Crystal Palace, Plymouth Argyle and Leeds United all convinced over 75% of creditors to support a CVA.

Here is a list of the teams in Scotland and England (in modern times) who failed to agree a CVA:

Chester City
Farsley Celtic
Rushden and Diamonds
Airdrieonians
Gretna

All of them dissolved. None emerged as a Newco retaining their league status (although Airdrieonians fans bought and moved Clydebank FC).

This man – Doncaster – has no right to present you or SPL clubs with a selected version of English clubs history which plays fast and loose with the most important fact of all – did 75% of creditors agree to a CVA?

Precedents are clear and 100% consistent. Get a CVA agreed or start supporting another football team."

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Agree totally with what you write !!
As it stands I have drifted away from football as my source of entertainment and very much pick and chosse which games I attend.
One of my pet hates all my life has been being patronised , be it at work in a shop or wherever , and this is exactly what this imposter Doncaster is doing to every non RFC football supporter in Scotland .
Like you if this is the way things are going to be I will have no problems in becoming an armchair supporter of whatever team I fancy on the night .
Scottish Football RIP
:bye:

That pretty much sums up my relationship with Scottish football these days.

[snooky]

That pretty much sums up my relationship with Scottish football these days.

2 team SPL next season - could make the split a bit awkward though. :greengrin

[jgl07]

I know what he is saying John but the hysteria on here is pretty astounding ..never stepping foot back in ER again etc etc etc ..aye right ...

Scoff if you like. If a Rangers Newco is admitted to the SPL, I will never attend another SPL match. I willnot watch an SPL match on televison or view highlight programmes.

I have been a regular at Easter Road for 20 years. I have been a season ticket holder for the majority of that period including season 2012-13.

This is not hyperbole, I really mean it. The SPL will have lost all credibility as far as I am concerned.

If Hibs are relegated I would attend SFL1 matches for next season at least as long as Hibs remained at that level. Other than that I would only watch football down south.

No weasel words from Doncaster will change this. I supsect that plenty of Hibs supporters, Aberdeen fand and even Jambos will think and act the same.

Scottish football is approaching the abyss. If they do not step back from the brink, the SPL will cease to exist within five years in its current form.

[southern hibby]

If they can cheat and get away with it, why not us? What I suggest is as a protest we pick one team each year ( say Aberdeen first ) and all other non firm teams let them win 1-0. If Aberdeen manage to take anything from the old firm points wise even better. I think this would be for the good of Scottish Football because the message I'm getting is cheats prosper. If it stops either of the inbreds from Europe great.
I know this idea is stupid pathetic drivel, but are we not getting that from all quarters who say we need the Huns. At present we can't qualify for jack **** at international level. Have the SFA not got it we are a mediocre footballing nation that no other country gives a hoot about. Now they want to tarnish what we have left of our good name by blatanly allowing this farce to be openenly shown at international level, that we cannot get our house In order.
I too am In the camp of not going back to ER for league games if the cheating **** that are Rankers FC are allowed straight back In. Why should I pay money to watch a farce when I want a HONEST playing field for all teams involved, not for the big two. GGTTH

[H18sry]

What annoys me is Doncaster is totally ignoring what the fans of the other 11 clubs are wanting :crazy:

[Sprouleflyer]

Scoff if you like. If a Rangers Newco is admitted to the SPL, I will never attend another SPL match. I willnot watch an SPL match on televison or view highlight programmes.

I have been a regular at Easter Road for 20 years. I have been a season ticket holder for the majority of that period including season 2012-13.

This is not hyperbole, I really mean it. The SPL will have lost all credibility as far as I am concerned.

If Hibs are relegated I would attend SFL1 matches for next season at least as long as Hibs remained at that level. Other than that I would only watch football down south.

No weasel words from Doncaster will change this. I supsect that plenty of Hibs supporters, Aberdeen fand and even Jambos will think and act the same.

Scottish football is approaching the abyss. If they do not step back from the brink, the SPL will cease to exist within five years in its current form.

Why would you want to watch a far more corrupt and unfair league??

I don't get all this i'm never watching Hibs again? What exactly have Hibs done to warrant not giving them your support?

[The Falcon]

Yup.... but, like I say, if they try to sell them at stupid money, any creditor can petition the Court to have the transaction reversed. It would then be up to the liquidator to show that the transaction was at a fair value.

A liquidator, like an administrator, is independent of the company. Any suggestion of collusion or corruption would not be good for their reputation.

I have always suspected this to be the likely outcome because, as others have pointed out, it is only worth what someone is going to pay for it as football related bulidings as there are development obstacles at both sites.

What would make it quite interesting is that if any of the previous directors, who stated that £104m was a fair price, is involved.

[The Falcon]

Why would you want to watch a far more corrupt and unfair league??

I don't get all this i'm never watching Hibs again? What exactly have Hibs done to warrant not giving them your support?



Football is corrupt and unfair at all levels. Cheating is endemic and, worst of all, accepted as "part of the game" now.

[bawheid]

Scoff if you like. If a Rangers Newco is admitted to the SPL, I will never attend another SPL match. I willnot watch an SPL match on televison or view highlight programmes.

I have been a regular at Easter Road for 20 years. I have been a season ticket holder for the majority of that period including season 2012-13.

This is not hyperbole, I really mean it. The SPL will have lost all credibility as far as I am concerned.

If Hibs are relegated I would attend SFL1 matches for next season at least as long as Hibs remained at that level. Other than that I would only watch football down south.

No weasel words from Doncaster will change this. I supsect that plenty of Hibs supporters, Aberdeen fand and even Jambos will think and act the same.

Scottish football is approaching the abyss. If they do not step back from the brink, the SPL will cease to exist within five years in its current form.

This is pretty much where I am. It's not grandstanding or hyperbole, it's the way I feel. If Rangers are not punished appropriately for over a decade of cheating, I will no longer support Scottish football.

You're correct in that if the SPL go down this route, Scottish football will die. This will not bother Doncaster, Rangers or Celtic though, because in reality this is what they want.

With the SPL dead and buried they will petition to join another league.

A lot of people are making the "why punish Hibs" argument. It's up to Hibs to argue the point successfully to the other 9 non-OF clubs. If they fail to do this then unfortunately they will suffer with the rest of Scottish football.

[Hibrandenburg]

Why would you want to watch a far more corrupt and unfair league??

I don't get all this i'm never watching Hibs again? What exactly have Hibs done to warrant not giving them your support?
Would you play poker against someone who holds all the aces up their sleeves? It's not about punishing Hibs, it's about fair play and integrity and if Hibs stay part and parcel of this pantomine then there is none.

[Rasta_Hibs]

IF a newco are admitted into the SPL i wont be back to another game and will find something else to do with my time and money! I wont support a club that participates in a league with no integrity. What is the point in that?

I love hibs with my heart and soul but i wont kid myself on by watching them compete in a league that is only there to serve the old firm.

[HFC 0-7]

I know what he is saying John but the hysteria on here is pretty astounding ..never stepping foot back in ER again etc etc etc ..aye right ...

People are currently staying away from easter Road for a lot less, just look at the attendances. I know its not nice to hear people saying they wont go back but it probably would work out that way. Renewing a season ticket is becoming harder and harder for people to justify and will become even harder if fairness goes out the window and rangers are not properly punished. Right now people are complaing about value for money with a ST, if rangers reform in the shape of a newco and are allowed back in what sort of value for money would a ST be then?

People also have to state what actions they would take should a scenario pan out, if they didnt then the club wouldnt know what reaction they would get from the fans one way or another.

[stokesmessiah]

IF a newco are admitted into the SPL i wont be back to another game and will find something else to do with my time and money! I wont support a club that participates in a league with no integrity. What is the point in that?

I love hibs with my heart and soul but i wont kid myself on by watching them compete in a league that is only there to serve the old firm.

:agree:

[grunt]

More interesting stuff from Paul McConville

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/why-did-rangers-administrator-say-that-a-newco-with-cva-side-route-could-be-done-by-11th-may/

[marinello59]

He pretty much advocated clubs going into administration and liquidation and coming back as new co's. What a complete erse! No wonder our game is Donald ducked with trumpets like him in charge of our game.

Stuff those who will have been stiffed by Rangers and will find their own business suffering, all will be forgiven. I have defended some of Doncasters utterings in the past, never again. His statement last night is truly shameful.

[Spike Mandela]

I have always suspected this to be the likely outcome because, as others have pointed out, it is only worth what someone is going to pay for it as football related bulidings as there are development obstacles at both sites.

What would make it quite interesting is that if any of the previous directors, who stated that £104m was a fair price, is involved.

For all the criticism of Doncaster surely what we have to look at is the law. If this whole incubator group thing is legal then surely it can't have been designed for this kind of scenario. A law that benefits the sinner and punishes the sinned is a travesty. To leave all the debt, creditors and sanctions behind in the oldco is surely tantamount to legalised fraud.

The law is an ass.

[Just Alf]

Stuff those who will have been stiffed by Rangers and will find their own business suffering, all will be forgiven. I have defended some of Doncasters utterings in the past, never again. His statement last night is truly shameful.

:agree: ........ I was bl**dy going mad when I heard him.... I've never heard anything in years that exasperated me so much :fuming:

[Mikeystewart]

Good question...I thought that they couldn't move any assets to another company?

does anyone have a theory?

[Leithenhibby]

More interesting stuff from Paul McConville

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/why-did-rangers-administrator-say-that-a-newco-with-cva-side-route-could-be-done-by-11th-may/


"we will end the day with even more questions that we started it!"


:agree: All very much in the mixer ....

This farce will go on, go on, go on! :wink:

Who is Paul McConville?

[EuanH78]

Is it not a big risk for Doncaster to nail his colours to this particular mast right now? Arent the SPL in the midst of investigating the double contracts issue?

What of the findings on that, how would that change Rangers (new or old) situation? Try and sink it with the Old co?

I think, despite his bluster.. we have nothing to fear. Got a feeling Uefa are going to be all over this like a cheap suit before the end and Doncasters position is/ will be untenable (mind you, so is Campbell Ogilvies and he's still at the SFA)

Still cant see it happening, would be so transparently bent that anyone involved is going to go down with the Huns IMO.

[Caversham Green]

For all the criticism of Doncaster surely what we have to look at is the law. If this whole incubator group thing is legal then surely it can't have been designed for this kind of scenario. A law that benefits the sinner and punishes the sinned is a travesty. To leave all the debt, creditors and sanctions behind in the oldco is surely tantamount to legalised fraud.

The law is an ass.

The law is designed purely for commercial purposes - however an administration is conducted the end result is that the creditors should get the best possible result and there are avenues for creditors to pursue if they feel this hasn't happened. Whether these are robust enough is debatable, but in my fairly limited practical experience of administration/liquidation everyone, including the old and new owners (but excluding the IP), feels they have been slightly cheated by the whole process. There are some who regard insolvency as a legitimate business strategy, but probably not as many as you might think.

The problem here is that there's another dimension to the process - that of sporting integrity. Competition is far more direct and tangible in football than in general commerce, so it is up to the administrators of football to negate any sporting advantage that could be accrued by overspending and subsequent insolvency, and that is where they seem to be failing miserably. For example, Rangers were strengthened and Hearts were weakened on the field by the transfer of Lee Wallace. To compensate Hearts a fee was agreed between the two clubs. We're now faced with the prospect of Wallace playing against Hearts despite the fact that they may never get the compensation for his loss, so they've been weakened twice, while Rangers have been strengthened twice. Putting aside our tribal prejudices, that's just plain wrong.

It's not the law that's an ass, it's the people who don't understand that football is primarily a sport not a business.

[WindyMiller]

Is it not a big risk for Doncaster to nail his colours to this particular mast right now? Arent the SPL in the midst of investigating the double contracts issue?

What of the findings on that, how would that change Rangers (new or old) situation? Try and sink it with the Old co?

I think, despite his bluster.. we have nothing to fear. Got a feeling Uefa are going to be all over this like a cheap suit before the end and Doncasters position is/ will be untenable (mind you, so is Campbell Ogilvies and he's still at the SFA)

Still cant see it happening, would be so transparently bent that anyone involved is going to go down with the Huns IMO.



The result of the "investigation" (the Yorkshire Ripper was found quicker), will not be completed till the NewCo is formed and in place. The "investigation" will find the Oldco guilty, but there will be nobody to punish.




p.s I bought my first ever ST 10 days ago (I attended my first Hibs' match in 1960) but will not get the chance to use it, unless we get relegated. I have no intention of showing any support for the SPL's determination to keep Rangers in the SPL.
I only hope that if sporting integrity doesn't prevail then UEFA will hold an investigation.

[grunt]

The problem here is that there's another dimension to the process - that of sporting integrity. Competition is far more direct and tangible in football than in general commerce, so it is up to the administrators of football to negate any sporting advantage that could be accrued by overspending and subsequent insolvency, and that is where they seem to be failing miserably. For example, Rangers were strengthened and Hearts were weakened on the field by the transfer of Lee Wallace. To compensate Hearts a fee was agreed between the two clubs. We're now faced with the prospect of Wallace playing against Hearts despite the fact that they may never get the compensation for his loss, so they've been weakened twice, while Rangers have been strengthened twice. Putting aside our tribal prejudices, that's just plain wrong.
Completely agree with this comment, although I do find it ironic that the example you provide compares two teams who both significantly overspent their income. RFC just overspent on a bigger scale than Hearts, although I expect that Hearts' time will come...

[Caversham Green]

Completely agree with this comment, although I do find it ironic that the example you provide compares two teams who both significantly overspent their income. RFC just overspent on a bigger scale than Hearts, although I expect that Hearts' time will come...

Very true, but Hearts haven't actually defaulted on any payments yet - they were late in paying their players and the SPL acted quickly enough once the complaint was made. I also think the SPL response was about right in that instance, although some would argue that it was weak.

Thankfully UEFA are going some way to recognise sporting integrity, but as always Scotland is about a decade behind them.

[scoopyboy]

Very true, but Hearts haven't actually defaulted on any payments yet - they were late in paying their players and the SPL acted quickly enough once the complaint was made. I also think the SPL response was about right in that instance, although some would argue that it was weak.

Thankfully UEFA are going some way to recognise sporting integrity, but as always Scotland is about a decade behind them.

An interesting one regarding Lee Wallace.

I have stated to a Hearts fan recently that Rangers haven't defaulted on Lee Wallace in the slightest as they are paid up to date and the next money isn't due until July.

However he argued that is not the case as he stated that all monies due become immeadiate as soon as a company goes into administration.

What is your take on it CG?

[jgl07]

An interesting one regarding Lee Wallace.

I have stated to a Hearts fan recently that Rangers haven't defaulted on Lee Wallace in the slightest as they are paid up to date and the next money isn't due until July.

However he argued that is not the case as he stated that all monies due become immediate as soon as a company goes into administration.


He is quite correct.

If Hearts wait until July there will be no Rangers to claim their money from.

[Caversham Green]

An interesting one regarding Lee Wallace.

I have stated to a Hearts fan recently that Rangers haven't defaulted on Lee Wallace in the slightest as they are paid up to date and the next money isn't due until July.

However he argued that is not the case as he stated that all monies due become immeadiate as soon as a company goes into administration.

What is your take on it CG?

The yam is right, in legal terms the debt crystallised when they went into administration, because it's unlikely that they would exit administration and then pay it in full. They haven't actually defaulted yet, but entering administration is an admission that they can't and won't pay the debt in full. That's bad enough in business terms, but it seems so much worse to me that he will be directly opposing them in the future - or they will have sold him without passing on any of the proceeds to him.

[Onion]

The yam is right, in legal terms the debt crystallised when they went into administration, because it's unlikely that they would exit administration and then pay it in full. They haven't actually defaulted yet, but entering administration is an admission that they can't and won't pay the debt in full. That's bad enough in business terms, but it seems so much worse to me that he will be directly opposing them in the future - or they will have sold him without passing on any of the proceeds to him.

There will be so many twists and turns between now and the resolution of the Hun's problems that the SPL & SFA are simply damned if they do damned if they don't. On the one hand they are being castigated by the Huns for killing their club with sanctions and 'not helping them'... on the other they must be fully aware that non-OF fans and clubs will only tollerate any more crap from the penniless Huns and their aplogists. Whichever way this turns out, the SPL & SFA are going to upset a lot of people and it may even kill the game in Scotland. It would be no bad thing if UEFA were to step in to help sort out the Huns sorry mess as 1. it would get the SPL & SFA out of having to make the decisions they clearly don't want to, 2. any decision would have to be respected (like a foreign referee) and 3. would help the SFA & SPL retain some form of relationship with their members post Hun.

In fact, I'd go as far to say that the SFA & SPL position is untenable at this point. They cannot win and risk being fatally damaged by the outcome. I would be amazed if they haven't had the good sense to pick up the phone to UEFA ... but then again, this is the SFA/SPL we're talking about.

[Moulin Yarns]

An interesting one regarding Lee Wallace.

I have stated to a Hearts fan recently that Rangers haven't defaulted on Lee Wallace in the slightest as they are paid up to date and the next money isn't due until July.

However he argued that is not the case as he stated that all monies due become immeadiate as soon as a company goes into administration.

What is your take on it CG?

Was there not some offer from Rangers to Hearts to pay something like £500,000 as full payment early, just before they went into administration? Or maybe it was the other way round, Hearts said give us £500,000 now and we'll call it quits? Whichever it was, it is quite funny now, that Hearts won't get anywhere near that amount. Or so it seems :greengrin

[PatHead]

Was there not some offer from Rangers to Hearts to pay something like £500,000 as full payment early, just before they went into administration? Or maybe it was the other way round, Hearts said give us £500,000 now and we'll call it quits? Whichever it was, it is quite funny now, that Hearts won't get anywhere near that amount. Or so it seems :greengrin


Thought it was Herts that asked Rangers for the deal. Obviously saw what was coming

[Caversham Green]

There will be so many twists and turns between now and the resolution of the Hun's problems that the SPL & SFA are simply damned if they do damned if they don't. On the one hand they are being castigated by the Huns for killing their club with sanctions and 'not helping them'... on the other they must be fully aware that non-OF fans and clubs will only tollerate any more crap from the penniless Huns and their aplogists. Whichever way this turns out, the SPL & SFA are going to upset a lot of people and it may even kill the game in Scotland. It would be no bad thing if UEFA were to step in to help sort out the Huns sorry mess as 1. it would get the SPL & SFA out of having to make the decisions they clearly don't want to, 2. any decision would have to be respected (like a foreign referee) and 3. would help the SFA & SPL retain some form of relationship with their members post Hun.

In fact, I'd go as far to say that the SFA & SPL position is untenable at this point. They cannot win and risk being fatally damaged by the outcome. I would be amazed if they haven't had the good sense to pick up the phone to UEFA ... but then again, this is the SFA/SPL we're talking about.

The frustrating thing for me is that the 'right' thing to do is clear and obvious, and the legal mechanism for doing it is already in place. It just needs leadership, competence and sheer guts to carry it out and the SPL as a body is showing that it has none of those things. I agree that they and the SFA are in a difficult position, but that's how they earn their corn and if they find it impossible they must indeed make way for UEFA to make the decision. The feeling right now is that the whole thing is being engineered towards RFC escaping the consequences of their actions while the other clubs suffer purely because RFC are making all the noise.

If Scottish football is really as dependent on a strong Rangers as many would have us believe then Scottish football is in a very bad way. Now is a perfect time to start changing that but as always, the powers that be seem to be intent on pepetuating the illness. Whether that is through cowardice or corruption is up for debate but the wrong decisions now could make the illness terminal. Like many others on this and other non-OF forums I believe that the game would actually benefit rather than suffer from a weakened Rangers at least in the long term but whether I'm right or wrong is irrelevant, they MUST act without fear or favour (to quote Mr Regan).

[Killiehibbie]

The yam is right, in legal terms the debt crystallised when they went into administration, because it's unlikely that they would exit administration and then pay it in full. They haven't actually defaulted yet, but entering administration is an admission that they can't and won't pay the debt in full. That's bad enough in business terms, but it seems so much worse to me that he will be directly opposing them in the future - or they will have sold him without passing on any of the proceeds to him.Wallace should be re-sold to a club who can pay and hearts get what they are owed.

[CropleyWasGod]

Wallace should be re-sold to a club who can pay and hearts get what they are owed.

In an alternate universe, that of course would be the correct solution. However, business is not always "correct", and football, it seems, even less so.

Maybe it's time that there was some sort of "reservation of title" clause in player transfers?

[Killiehibbie]

In an alternate universe, that of course would be the correct solution. However, business is not always "correct", and football, it seems, even less so.

Maybe it's time that there was some sort of "reservation of title" clause in player transfers?The right of repossession until all of the agreed transfer fee is paid in full.

[CropleyWasGod]

The right of repossession until all of the agreed transfer fee is paid in full.

Agreed.

However, in this case that would present us with a problem. HMFC would have to repay what has been paid already....... :rolleyes:

[Leithenhibby]

In an alternate universe, that of course would be the correct solution. However, business is not always "correct", and football, it seems, even less so.

Maybe it's time that there was some sort of "reservation of title" clause in player transfers?

Perhaps, "full payment within 7 days" or the deals off :wink:

[Killiehibbie]

Agreed.

However, in this case that would present us with a problem. HMFC would have to repay what has been paid already....... :rolleyes:
That goes down as rental fees, sort of like an HP agreement then handing goods back:greengrin

[jodjam]

Perhaps, "full payment within 7 days" or the deals off :wink:

Sounds like a plan. We could return some of our duffers after one bad game :wink:

[Caversham Green]

Agreed.

However, in this case that would present us with a problem. HMFC would have to repay what has been paid already....... :rolleyes:

It would also mean Wallace having to accept whatever terms HoMFC were willing/able to offer. I would suggest suspension of the player and the right of transfer to any club willing to pay the balance to HoMFC and equal or better the terms he's on at Rangers. If there's a bidding war RFC(IA) get the profit for distribution to other creditors.