Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[IWasThere2016]

According to todays record a 6 hour meeting was held yesterday with the SPL and SFA to work out a way to get them into D1, Hopefully more hot air

I've feared this could happen but it not enough of a punishment. Years of cheating repaid in 9 months - unacceptable IMHO, and hordes of fans won't accept this nor return to the SPL.

[bingo70]

I know it won't be popular but I think a year out the SPL is a decent compromise.

They'll get there punishment, we'll probably still keep the finances of the tv deal and we'll be able to change the voting structure.

[jodjam]

hope they get put down to SFL3 and we draw them in a cup tie at home. Hopefully the board will put SEVCO up on the scoreboard for a giggle.

[Dalkeith]

According to todays record a 6 hour meeting was held yesterday with the SPL and SFA to work out a way to get them into D1, Hopefully more hot air


so spl use spl money to bribe sfl so they can get in to d1, gets worse by the day

[matty_f]

I know it won't be popular but I think a year out the SPL is a decent compromise.

They'll get there punishment, we'll probably still keep the finances of the tv deal and we'll be able to change the voting structure.

I'm inclined to agree. They need to be punished but I think kicking them out of the SPL is enough. Ideally they'd have to join the 3rd Division but that's out of our hands.

As an aside it's very ironic that the open letter above complains of clubs kicking Rangers when they're down when their fans sing the 'bouncey bouncey' song which i understand was about a Catholic having his head jumped up and down on. **** Rangers.

[Matty_Jack04]

I know it won't be popular but I think a year out the SPL is a decent compromise.

They'll get there punishment, we'll probably still keep the finances of the tv deal and we'll be able to change the voting structure.

Ur right about the unpopular part....10+ years of cheating 1 season out of the top league as 'punishment' your having a laugh, if the tv deal goes which IMO is doubtful then we as fans need to get out to more games which will probably happen with 3pm kick offs on a Saturday and no tv, there's also an oppertunity here for the clubs voting no to get together and work out pricing plans to encourage fans of these clubs to attend away fixtures in bigger numbers.
Glasgow rangers are dead there's a new company formed with there former stadium and training ground the way in is div 3 up that's how the football league ladder works, they should also receive no more of an oppertunity to fill that space as the likes of Spartans would.

The league place should go to e.g Spartans Scottish football should then introduce a pyramid system from where highland league and juniors can progress to div 3 that's where Newco should start.

[AlbertK86]

so spl use spl money to bribe sfl so they can get in to d1, gets worse by the day

Corrupt to the core

Scottish football is a laughing stock

[StevieC]

According to todays record a 6 hour meeting was held yesterday with the SPL and SFA to work out a way to get them into D1, Hopefully more hot air

I've said it before and I'll say it again ..

The Scottish Media will promote whatever scenario suits their agenda, which is getting the huns into the SPL as quickly as possible.

Doesnt mean it's going to happen though.

[matty_f]

St Johnstone latest to say no.. http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/football/st-johnstone-assure-fans-they-will-vote-no-to-newco.17956976

[lapsedhibee]

When. Is. McCoist. Getting. Charged.

[fit o' the walk]

According to todays record a 6 hour meeting was held yesterday with the SPL and SFA to work out a way to get them into D1, Hopefully more hot airLast week a Sky spokesman said,they would probably accept a one Div.demotion but not 3.Put your mortgage on a cop out by the SPL Chairmen...they will demote them 1 div.:confused:

[Caversham Green]

I've feared this could happen but it not enough of a punishment. Years of cheating repaid in 9 months - unacceptable IMHO, and hordes of fans won't accept this nor return to the SPL.

:agree: Besides which there's nothing in the rules to allow it. They couldn't retrospectively increase the punishment for going into administration and Rangers objected to the signing embargo because it wasn't specified in the rules so consistency demands that this shouldn't happen.

[Spike Mandela]

I've said it before and I'll say it again ..

The Scottish Media will promote whatever scenario suits their agenda, which is getting the huns into the SPL as quickly as possible.

Doesnt mean it's going to happen though.

The DR has led the agenda for a 1 year relegation even before the SFA decided to talk about merging divisions and an SPL 2.

Speaking of the SFA what has happened to their appeal panel? Have a funny feeling everybody is holding off to combine all thei sins into one big punishment which will actually be paltry compared to dealing with all their cheating on a point by point basis.

[matty_f]

Last week a Sky spokesman said,they would probably accept a one Div.demotion but not 3.Put your mortgage on a cop out by the SPL Chairmen...they will demote them 1 div.:confused:

The SPL chairmen can't put them in the first, they can only vote against them coming into the SPL, as far as I know.

[Matty_Jack04]

Livingston will have something to say on a 1 div relegation I'd imagine

[weecounty hibby]

[QUOTE=Spike Mandela;3272344]The DR has led the agenda for a 1 year relegation even before the SFA decided to talk about merging divisions and an SPL 2.
If it was up to The DR they would get away almost Scot free. The way this is being handled by the Scottish media has made us even more of a laughing stock than the original issue

[DaveF]

I'm inclined to agree. They need to be punished but I think kicking them out of the SPL is enough. Ideally they'd have to join the 3rd Division but that's out of our hands.

As an aside it's very ironic that the open letter above complains of clubs kicking Rangers when they're down when their fans sing the 'bouncey bouncey' song which i understand was about a Catholic having his head jumped up and down on. **** Rangers.

I'm not.

Where the justice in that? The media bandwagon will have won the day and within a year, the huns with same strips, near identical name, history and songbook will be back at ER.

No, that's not good enough in any shape or form.

[matty_f]

I'm not.

Where the justice in that? The media bandwagon will have won the day and within a year, the huns with same strips, near identical name, history and songbook will be back at ER.

No, that's not good enough in any shape or form.

Aye, I think you're probably right. Had just woken up when I posted and now I think about it I disagree with my own post!

I'm away back to sleep til I can think straight. :greengrin

[s.a.m]

An open letter to Charles Green from the supporters:

Dear Mr. Green,
As you know, a general meeting of all 12 member
clubs of the Scottish Premier League has been
convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for
members to consider, and decide upon, your
application for the entry of Newco Rangers to the SPL.
Having considered the matter very carefully, and in
light of recent statements by several SPL clubs, I am
compelled to write to you to implore you to
withdraw your application to the SPL in favour of an
application to the Scottish Football League. I do so in the full knowledge of the financial impact
that such a move will undoubtedly have on the
Rangers Football Club, and the uncertainty that a
self imposed exile to the lower divisions of Scottish
football will inevitably generate. However, I have concluded that it would be a more
honourable course of action to take rather than
have the current gang of hypocritical SPL Club
Chairmen decide our future when they have so
vociferously, and so vindictively, demanded the
most excessive and unprecedented sanctions against our club since we suffered the indignity of
administration several weeks ago.
I’m sure the very public statements made by the
likes of Vladimir Romanov of Hearts, Rod Petrie of
Hibernian and Stephen Thompson of Dundee
United in recent weeks, are ample evidence that the majority of the SPL clubs consider punishing
Rangers as a more important objective than
securing the financial future and wellbeing of the
SPL and the Scottish game in general.
There can be no doubt any longer that these
enemies of Rangers Football Club will vote to exclude a Rangers newco from the SPL, and that
they will do everything in their power to ensure we
are emasculated and hamstrung for years to come.
I have also little doubt their real motivation is sheer,
naked hatred for our club rather than the 'sporting
integrity' that they so glibly and dishonestly espouse.
These are the people in whom you appear to
repose your trust and confidence; people who
have demonstrated that trust, confidence and
fidelity are abstract concepts to be cynically
exploited when circumstances are advantageous to their nefarious plans and plots.
Our club has been subjected to much vitriol and
invective over the past few weeks and months by
the very people who will now sit in judgment on
Rangers, and make their decision about admission,
on 4th July. A decision that we all now know to be a foregone conclusion.
Whilst I have yet to encounter a Rangers fan who
believes that we should not be punished for the
behavior of the miscreants who have brought our
great club to this sorry pass, nor have I met one
who believes we should continue to be punished ad infinitum by a group of SPL chairmen, chief
executives and feckless supporters, who have
been overtly, and unrepentantly, hostile to all
things Rangers for countless years, and who have
been particularly malicious in their attacks upon us
in recent days. We are vulnerable and unable to meaningfully
defend ourselves, and they know it and have
concluded that now is the time to strike. Make no
mistake, this is not about sporting integrity, this is
about hatred and bigotry, and clubs like Dundee
Utd, Aberdeen, Celtic will not forgo this opportunity to kick us (and keep on kicking us) when we are
down.
We now find ourselves in the unenviable position
of being totally, and utterly, at the mercy of a hostile
jury, from whom we can expect no quarter. If five
or more clubs vote against your proposal to admit Rangers to the SPL as a newco, a club from Scottish
Football League Division One will replace us in the
SPL and we will, in all likelihood, apply for the
vacancy that would be created in Division Three
after other clubs have moved up a division.
We now know that will the case. There is no need to speculate any longer, so I ask you to very
seriously consider what merit there is in waiting for
our enemies to stab us in the back on 4th July,
when we can be proactive in our approach to the
Scottish Football League for admission.
We all now unequivocally accept that our circumstances are such that we require to take
drastic measures to set our financial position to
rights. Cuts of the magnitude required will
significantly impact upon our ability to compete in
the SPL, and it is clear that we need time and
patience to rebuild our club and our team free of the enmity and hatred of the SPL cowards who
cynically exploit the label of sporting integrity to
mask their desire to destroy our club
That time will be available to us if we voluntarily
drop to the Scottish Football League, Division 3, and
our time spent in the lower divisions will, hopefully, be concurrent with our three year ban on
participating in the major European competitions.
But, perhaps, more importantly, our decision to
seek admission to the Scottish Football League, will
remove the threat of further draconian
punishments by those who clearly nurture the desire to punish us and wish only to exploit our
commercial potential for their own selfish ends.
During the past few weeks and months, I have
often asked the question, “When does the
punishment stop and the rehabilitation start?”, and
I have reluctantly concluded that the answer is, “When the SPL and the SFA consider that we have
suffered enough!”
Clearly the SPL consider that we have not suffered
enough, and it may be some considerable time
before they decide that the time is right to
rehabilitate the Rangers they so clearly despise. In these circumstances, would it not be more prudent
to negate their vindictiveness and Machiavellian
plotting by removing their power to direct our
future and impair our ability to compete?
Wouldn’t it be a wise and sound strategy to take
control of our own destiny by deciding our own fate?
I think so, and many thousands of other Rangers
fans also take that view.
If you have been monitoring the views and
opinions of Rangers fans across the globe, you
cannot fail to have concluded that there is a groundswell of opinion in favour of the Scottish
Football League, Division 3 route and, in a number
of recent polls on various supporter web sites, fans
have voted overwhelmingly for this option, and
those views have been significantly reinforced by
the statements made by Thompson, Romanov and others over the past two days.
Whilst I fully appreciate these are merely ‘straw’
pools, they are nonetheless persuasive, particularly
in the absence of any other meaningful indicators.
These polls are not the ‘knee – jerk’ reactions of a
few disgruntled Rangers fans but, rather, the considered views of fans who are being treated
unjustly and unreasonably by those who have
failed in their bid to obliterate the club and now
wish to emasculate it by other means.
I, therefore, implore you, Mr. Green, to help us
determine our own future. I ask you to ensure that we are not held to ransom by the SPL and its
member clubs. I implore you to withdraw the
application now before the SPL.
I also ask that you consult with the supporters
before accepting any offer that may emanate from
the SPL, particularly if such an offer is founded upon sanctions that will inevitably cripple our club for
years to come.
The future of our club is dependent upon your
judgement, experience and expertise, although I'm
sure you recognise that your judgement,
experience and expertise has, to all intents and purposes, been negated by the recent
pronouncements of prominent SPL club chairmen.
As you know, it only requires 5 or more clubs to
vote no, and Rangers will need to apply to be
admitted to Scottish Football League Division Three;
so why wait for that to come to passm - we now know it will? Why not take control of our own
destiny and opt for the Scottish Football League?
Let me say in conclusion, that I am, personally, very
appreciative of the commitment you, and your
colleagues, have made to our club in very difficult
and trying circumstances, and I am not unmindful of the personal attacks you have endured in recent
weeks.
Ranger's fans are, understandably, suspicious and
anxious and I know that you appreciate that, even
if, at times, you have found their criticisms
unpalatable. We want only what is right and what is just for our
club. We have seen regime's come and go; we have
seen Chairmen come and go; we have seen Boards
and Directors come and go; we have seen
managers and players come and go - but we
remain! We will always be here, and we will always support
our club. I know you understand that, and I trust
you will immediately withdraw your application for
SPL status.
I have written this as an open letter, and it is my
intention to share it, and your response, with Rangers fans through the various Rangers internet
forums.


....and it doesn't rhyme. :coffee:

[Spike Mandela]

Reading the Daily Record piece if even a franction true suggests that the authorities have finally found a solution with a punishment that isn't a punishment. One year in Div 1 with a tv deal for Rangers in div 1 that no doubt ensures Rangers maintain their tv wedge and probably SPL clubs losing out.

I suspect a massive cop out on it's way and the arrogant hordes will be lording it over us very shortly. If the SPL clubs miss their chance to alter any SPl voting structure they are bigger doormats than I thought.

[Jim44]

Livingston will have something to say on a 1 div relegation I'd imagine

Would the newly promoted teams in the 3 SFL divisions not be kicked back into touch as well? They won't be too chuffed.

[Matty_Jack04]

Reading the Daily Record piece if even a franction true suggests that the authorities have finally found a solution with a punishment that isn't a punishment. One year in Div 1 with a tv deal for Rangers in div 1 that no doubt ensures Rangers maintain their tv wedge and probably SPL clubs losing out.

I suspect a massive cop out on it's way and the arrogant hordes will be lording it over us very shortly. If the SPL clubs miss their chance to alter any SPl voting structure they are bigger doormats than I thought.

This won't be accepted by the fans of any club, do u think the likes of Falkirk Patrick Dunfermline are going to opt out of the chance of promotion for a year just cause its rangers? If those clubs have nothing to play for the. Theyl get even less crowds than they already do.

The failure of this bunch to accept the fact there new club must start again from scratch is annoying the hell out of me just as much as its everyone else fault and feel sorry for them brigade.

Scottish football is having the life pumped out of it by this drawn out saga when all it takes is some leadership to sort it out, people are getting hacked off with constant feet dragging and will stop supporting Scottish football as a consiquence...that in hand will be taken by the hun masses as there big 'I told u so' moment when in fact it's there whining and feet stamping that has killed the game.

[matty_f]

I think we also need to be mindful that Greene isn't there as Rangers' saviour. He's not in it to make a grand gesture to save Scottish football.
This is about making a group of rich men richer. All the SPL clubs who vote yes will be doing is giving these paracites a means to take more money OUT of the Scottish game.

[Matty_Jack04]

I think we also need to be mindful that Greene isn't there as Rangers' saviour. He's not in it to make a grand gesture to save Scottish football.
This is about making a group of rich men richer. All the SPL clubs who vote yes will be doing is giving these paracites a means to take more money OUT of the Scottish game.

Spot on all this is desperation so he fills his pockets quicker with less hassle

[Www1875hfc]

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[Spike Mandela]

This won't be accepted by the fans of any club, do u think the likes of Falkirk Patrick Dunfermline are going to opt out of the chance of promotion for a year just cause its rangers? If those clubs have nothing to play for the. Theyl get even less crowds than they already do.

The failure of this bunch to accept the fact there new club must start again from scratch is annoying the hell out of me just as much as its everyone else fault and feel sorry for them brigade.

Scottish football is having the life pumped out of it by this drawn out saga when all it takes is some leadership to sort it out, people are getting hacked off with constant feet dragging and will stop supporting Scottish football as a consiquence...that in hand will be taken by the hun masses as there big 'I told u so' moment when in fact it's there whining and feet stamping that has killed the game.

The clubs you mention will go along with it if the money is right. Oh the irony of SPL clubs paying to lessen Rangers punishment. This would be the weasly cop out the lily livered chairmen would need . Relegation with a safety net. I would prepare to be disappointed with decisions made before the July 4th pretence of being tough.

[Onion]

The DR has led the agenda for a 1 year relegation even before the SFA decided to talk about merging divisions and an SPL 2.

Speaking of the SFA what has happened to their appeal panel? Have a funny feeling everybody is holding off to combine all thei sins into one big punishment which will actually be paltry compared to dealing with all their cheating on a point by point basis.

They'll have a long wait... going by what's gone before... there is still a hell of a lot to come out. With Lord Hodge asking for D&P to present evidence that there was no conflict of interest in them being Admins and BDO still to get their teeth into the whole sorry affair... this is going to run and run. In 5 years time, when all the evidence of cheating, conflict and crime is forensically analysed by INDEPENDENT bodies (rather than the SFA, SPL and scottish media) a LOT of people are going to be exposed for what they are.

The Newco should start the bottom - it could not be easier. So why are the authorities in they country trying their very best to avoid this ? The reasons must be obvious.

[forthhibby]

SSN - sone aluko rejects transfer of contract to newco

[Jim44]

SCOTTISH football’s bosses are on the brink of securing a revolutionary rescue package which will see Rangers play in the First Division next season.
SFA, SPL and SFL chiefs were locked in talks last night as a six-hour summit went on past midnight.
The meeting was aimed at reaching agreement on radical proposals to deal with the chaos created by the financial carnage at Ibrox.
SFA chief Stewart Regan hosted the secret gathering aimed at bringing an end to the Rangers crisis.
After days of talks between the three ruling bodies, Record Sport understands SFA chief executive Regan, SPL counterpart Neil Doncaster and SFL boss David Longmuir thrashed out a four-point blueprint to revolutionise football in Scotland.
The trio have been tasked with reaching a broad agreement over the future of Rangers as well as reforming the league structure.
This is to bring clarity to the current chaos as the clock ticks down to the SPL general meeting on July 4 when the members will vote on the Ibrox club’s fate.
But negotiations could now deliver a cast-iron deal which would allow the SPL to offer guidance on a way forward and that in turn would see the emotive vote become nothing more than a box-ticking exercise.
As Record Sport revealed this week, proposals are in place for Rangers to go to Division One and common ground has been reached on host of issues.
A key part of the plan would see SFL clubs handed compensation payments from the SPL as part of a deal with Sky to broadcast live Rangers games in Division One.
Clubs across the country will now get the chance to give historic plans the green light.
The four key points on the agenda were:
●Finding a mechanism that will allow Rangers to parachute straight into the First Division next season.u
●A guarantee that play-offs are introduced immediately at the top of the First Division for a place in the SPL.
●The distribution of short-term payments to SFL clubs from the SPL to allow Rangers’ First Division games to be shown live on Sky.
●A timeline to form one body, the Scottish Professional Football League.
Regan has managed to unify both leagues and mediate over the squabbling which has been the stumbling block.
Assurances have been made to SPL chief Doncaster that the Sky deal will remain in place but he has been playing hardball over the amount paid to First Division clubs to have Rangers’ games broadcast live.
Longmuir’s battle for a fair deal for the SFL will have huge implications for lower league clubs as they will gain historic capital from a merger with the top flight.
Also on the agenda was the SFL’s bid to install a strong representation within a new SPFL set-up and a stumbling block has been the SPL’s insistence they get a 3-1 ratio in favour of board members.
The SFL demanded an even split on any new board which will also include a new chief executive as well as one independent sitting on the ruling panel.
Regan’s bid to deliver a broad consensus over the way forward also involved discussions over the appellate tribunal’s transfer embargo on Rangers.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/06...6908-23899716/

How they're going to wangle it.

[McD]

Last week a Sky spokesman said,they would probably accept a one Div.demotion but not 3.Put your mortgage on a cop out by the SPL Chairmen...they will demote them 1 div.:confused:

Can you provide a link for this statement please as it is not what they released last week.

The statement I read was published in the sun (a paper from the same parent company) stating sky would not be walking away from the SPL regardless of whether rangers were in or not, and had no interest in running or interfering with the SPL.

This statement directly contradicted the piece in the daily record saying that sky would pull out if rangers were not present. It also expressed anger that the records piece was stirring up trouble (the record has history with printing negative stories about sky, not of the same parent company).

[CallumLaidlaw]

SSN - sone aluko rejects transfer of contract to newco

I thought his contract was up anyway?

[Jack]

That club have cheated you and me, every other Scottish supporter, every other European supporter, even friendlies they have played against out of our hard earned admission money for decades. They have done their level best at every opportunity to rig every match they have taken part in.

How anyone can suggest one year out of the SPL is a fitting punishment is beyond me.

How anyone can suggest that a club with a track record like that should be admitted to any league is beyond me.

In what other part of life would such criminal activities be ignored to allow re-entry to an association?

That's besides the theft of around £150,000,000 from all and sundry.

Let them keep their tainted history but there cannot be a future that includes them at any level.



Note: must be more than £1,000 they've cheated me out of over the years. I really can't be bothered working it out properly.

[BarneyK]

Can you provide a link for this statement please as it is not what they released last week.

The statement I read was published in the sun (a paper from the same parent company) stating sky would not be walking away from the SPL regardless of whether rangers were in or not, and had no interest in running or interfering with the SPL.

This statement directly contradicted the piece in the daily record saying that sky would pull out if rangers were not present. It also expressed anger that the records piece was stirring up trouble (the record has history with printing negative stories about sky, not of the same parent company).

Yep. As far as I'm aware Sky have made no definitive statement either way. It's easy to get confused though with some of the scaremongering guff streaming out the tabloids.

[Leithenhibby]

I can't help but think that there is no place in Scottish football this year for "Newco"! Today's jurnos at the DR are talking p!sh :rolleyes: No change there then :rolleyes:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/06/23/rangers-in-crisis-ibrox-club-set-to-be-given-division-one-lifeline-after-talks-between-league-bosses-86908-23899716/ "SFA chief Stewart Regan hosted the secret gathering aimed at bringing an end to the Rangers crisis."

I think you will find that it will be HMRC that will end this "crisis"

How can they (SPL, SFL, SFA) change everything around in time to accommodate them giving that the new season is just weeks away!

I keep going back to the 3 years accounts, the fact that they MUST go through the proper procedures and they MUST give other clubs the right to apply for the league position that will be/ is up for grabs..

From day one we have seen this story unfold and we are still at the stage where we don't have all the information to what they (RFC) have been up to. This will take years to get this sorted and I would think that once the liquidators are in place, it's more than likely (imo) we see criminal charges being brought against many of the staff of "Oldco" ....... And with that, the story rumbles on!! :rolleyes:

[down-the-slope]

The SPL chairmen can't put them in the first, they can only vote against them coming into the SPL, as far as I know.

:agree: correct surely this one fact would be understood by now :rolleyes:

There may well be some hasty attempts at reconstruction..but time is on the side of integrity with clubs having made plans and sold ST in different divisions on the status quo..

I wouldn't put it past no SPL vote...Div 3 application .. but then complete league reconstruction with entry criteria to the top 2 divisions (facilities etc) making it impossible for some to meet...leaving space for lower league clubs to apply

[degenerated]

How they're going to wangle it.

They can stick that up there erse. All they are interested in is some sort of radical solution is found to ensure that the vile Hun are dealt with differently to anyone else that has found themselves in this position

Unless justice is done and they apply to join div 3 then I'll be finding other things to do with myself on Saturday and Sunday mornings - or whatever stupid ****ing time they let sky tell them to kick off at.

[green glory]

Re the DR story. As they've printed nothing but moonbeams for the orcs in the last 5 months, I'd be very wary about today's story.

In fact it would be interesting to compile everything they've printed since this whole sorry business started, especially Jim Traynor's rubbish.

Most of it has been complete fantasy, produced for no other reason than sell 'newspapers' to the gullible slack-jawed maggot-folk that masquerade as football fans at Ibrox every other week.

[Spike Mandela]

St Johnstone latest to say no.. http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/football/st-johnstone-assure-fans-they-will-vote-no-to-newco.17956976

The fact that Hearts, Dundee Utd and St Johnstone, who have all been in the press previously suggesting Rangers should be allowed into the SPl for financial reasons, are at the vanguard of the media announcements saying "no to newco" suggests to me the compromise to div 1 deal has already been agreed. These weasly clubs are trying to con their fans that they are getting tough whilst doing backroom deals to let Rangers off lightly.

[Billy Whizz]

SFL Division 1 clubs don't want Rangers in as it will potentially block them getting onto the SPL. However if League reconstruction is thrown in, which we all want, this may happen?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

No reform of the 11-1 voting structure? This for me is the No.1 priority for the long term and the least we need to have happen.

[HFC 0-7]

I'm inclined to agree. They need to be punished but I think kicking them out of the SPL is enough. Ideally they'd have to join the 3rd Division but that's out of our hands.

As an aside it's very ironic that the open letter above complains of clubs kicking Rangers when they're down when their fans sing the 'bouncey bouncey' song which i understand was about a Catholic having his head jumped up and down on. **** Rangers.

I think what we need to be mindful of here is, what would be happening if this was any other club outside the old firm? Would we be trying to keep them in the spl, would we plan re structure to drop them just one division. The rules that are in place mean they have to be booted out of the spl and apply for an open position in the sfl at the bottom. Anything where the authorities are working to lessen the punishment is wrong IMO, this isn't a club that has simply fallen on hard times, it's a club that cheated, it's a club that looks like there will be more and more revelations of cheating emerge. The spl and sofa should stick by the rules in the current structure and punish them properly. If they get put into the first division they will be back the next season, debt free, spending millions more than us.

[Saorsa]

SCOTTISH football’s bosses are on the brink of securing a revolutionary rescue package which will see Rangers play in the First Division next season.
SFA, SPL and SFL chiefs were locked in talks last night as a six-hour summit went on past midnight.
The meeting was aimed at reaching agreement on radical proposals to deal with the chaos created by the financial carnage at Ibrox.
SFA chief Stewart Regan hosted the secret gathering aimed at bringing an end to the Rangers crisis.
After days of talks between the three ruling bodies, Record Sport understands SFA chief executive Regan, SPL counterpart Neil Doncaster and SFL boss David Longmuir thrashed out a four-point blueprint to revolutionise football in Scotland.
The trio have been tasked with reaching a broad agreement over the future of Rangers as well as reforming the league structure.
This is to bring clarity to the current chaos as the clock ticks down to the SPL general meeting on July 4 when the members will vote on the Ibrox club’s fate.
But negotiations could now deliver a cast-iron deal which would allow the SPL to offer guidance on a way forward and that in turn would see the emotive vote become nothing more than a box-ticking exercise.
As Record Sport revealed this week, proposals are in place for Rangers to go to Division One and common ground has been reached on host of issues.
A key part of the plan would see SFL clubs handed compensation payments from the SPL as part of a deal with Sky to broadcast live Rangers games in Division One.
Clubs across the country will now get the chance to give historic plans the green light.
The four key points on the agenda were:
●Finding a mechanism that will allow Rangers to parachute straight into the First Division next season.u
●A guarantee that play-offs are introduced immediately at the top of the First Division for a place in the SPL.
●The distribution of short-term payments to SFL clubs from the SPL to allow Rangers’ First Division games to be shown live on Sky.
●A timeline to form one body, the Scottish Professional Football League.
Regan has managed to unify both leagues and mediate over the squabbling which has been the stumbling block.
Assurances have been made to SPL chief Doncaster that the Sky deal will remain in place but he has been playing hardball over the amount paid to First Division clubs to have Rangers’ games broadcast live.
Longmuir’s battle for a fair deal for the SFL will have huge implications for lower league clubs as they will gain historic capital from a merger with the top flight.
Also on the agenda was the SFL’s bid to install a strong representation within a new SPFL set-up and a stumbling block has been the SPL’s insistence they get a 3-1 ratio in favour of board members.
The SFL demanded an even split on any new board which will also include a new chief executive as well as one independent sitting on the ruling panel.
Regan’s bid to deliver a broad consensus over the way forward also involved discussions over the appellate tribunal’s transfer embargo on Rangers.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/06...6908-23899716/

How they're going to wangle it.I dinnae ken if any of that is true or if it's mair wind & pish fae the daily bog roll but as far as I'm concerned anything other than them starting in the 3rd division is unacceptable and it'll be game over for me. Nae compromises, and nae fudges, they've been cheating on an enormous scale for many years and must get their comeuppance.

[c31]

Aluko does walking away as well SSN

[forthhibby]

@charlesp_sky: #SSN understands up to 8 other senior Rangers players will reject transfer of their contracts to RFC "new-co" in next 24-48 hours

[bingo70]

Ssn saying up to another 8 first team players likely to do the same as aluko.

[Jim44]

●Finding a mechanism that will allow Rangers to parachute straight into the First Division next season.u


Why waste time and insult peoples' intelligence trying find a mechanism when it's already been decided it's going to happen?

●A guarantee that play-offs are introduced immediately at the top of the First Division for a place in the SPL.

A safeguard in case Rangers' 'weakened' team narrowly fails to get the first promotion spot.

●The distribution of short-term payments to SFL clubs from the SPL to allow Rangers’ First Division games to be shown live on Sky.

Rangers continue to make a significant amount of money from Sky.

●A timeline to form one body, the Scottish Professional Football League.

....................... which Rangers and Celtic will continue to control and bully.


If the SPL 'doormats' accept this, there is no hope for the future of Scottish Football. Result - Rangers 1 - Scottish Football 0

[snooky]

I think what we need to be mindful of here is, what would be happening if this was any other club outside the old firm? Would we be trying to keep them in the spl, would we plan re structure to drop them just one division. The rules that are in place mean they have to be booted out of the spl and apply for an open position in the sfl at the bottom. Anything where the authorities are working to lessen the punishment is wrong IMO, this isn't a club that has simply fallen on hard times, it's a club that cheated, it's a club that looks like there will be more and more revelations of cheating emerge. The spl and sofa should stick by the rules in the current structure and punish them properly. If they get put into the first division they will be back the next season, debt free, spending millions more than us.

..and cockier than ever.

For that reason alone they should be made to play by the rules - for once.

[TrickyNicky]

I can't help but think that there is no place in Scottish football this year for "Newco"! Today's jurnos at the DR are talking p!sh :rolleyes: No change there then :rolleyes:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/06/23/rangers-in-crisis-ibrox-club-set-to-be-given-division-one-lifeline-after-talks-between-league-bosses-86908-23899716/ "SFA chief Stewart Regan hosted the secret gathering aimed at bringing an end to the Rangers crisis."

I think you will find that it will be HMRC that will end this "crisis"

How can they (SPL, SFL, SFA) change everything around in time to accommodate them giving that the new season is just weeks away!

I keep going back to the 3 years accounts, the fact that they MUST go through the proper procedures and they MUST give other clubs the right to apply for the league position that will be/ is up for grabs..

From day one we have seen this story unfold and we are still at the stage where we don't have all the information to what they (RFC) have been up to. This will take years to get this sorted and I would think that once the liquidators are in place, it's more than likely (imo) we see criminal charges being brought against many of the staff of "Oldco" ....... And with that, the story rumbles on!! :rolleyes:

I actually have to shake my head at all of this attention they are getting.

They are an organization guilty of criminal behavior, they have cheated the system to the core and they expect lifelines and leniency, their supporters have the gall to question the motives behind the clubs that will vote "No", they know they deserve punishment but will be upset if it's not a light one.

They deserve to be obliterated !

[Caversham Green]

There can be no doubt that Scottish football has been seriously damaged by the actions of Rangers FC and those associated with it, and these belated actions by the football authorities are about damage limitation, but the way ahead is still clear and obvious - they must follow the laws and rules as they stand and as they were agreed by all, including Rangers FC.

Any actions that are taken to appease the very club that caused the damage will only serve to damage the game further, and probably beyond repair. There is only one answer and it was written in black and white by the very people that are now asking the questions.

If anything the actions of the Rangers FC establishment and particularly their cheerleader in the press and on the SPL board is only damaging their cause further by hardening the attitudes of right-minded people towards the club.

[Hibby Hippy]

They can stick that up there erse. All they are interested in is some sort of radical solution is found to ensure that the vile Hun are dealt with differently to anyone else that has found themselves in this position

Unless justice is done and they apply to join div 3 then I'll be finding other things to do with myself on Saturday and Sunday mornings - or whatever stupid ****ing time they let sky tell them to kick off at.


I dinnae ken if any of that is true or if it's mair wind & pish fae the daily bog roll but as far as I'm concerned anything other than them starting in the 3rd division is unacceptable and it'll be game over for me. Nae compromises, and nae fudges, they've been cheating on an enormous scale for many years and must get their comeuppance.

I totally agree wit these sentiments.

Maybe i will see if i can get a season ticket at Scorpio instead,that way it wont be me thats getting bent over and rogered.

[BarneyK]

The fact that Hearts, Dundee Utd and St Johnstone, who have all been in the press previously suggesting Rangers should be allowed into the SPl for financial reasons, are at the vanguard of the media announcements saying "no to newco" suggests to me the compromise to div 1 deal has already been agreed. These weasly clubs are trying to con their fans that they are getting tough whilst doing backroom deals to let Rangers off lightly.

Have St Johnstone actually said anything officialy, or is this another No vote as per the Sheepies yesterday?

[TrickyNicky]

There can be no doubt that Scottish football has been seriously damaged by the actions of Rangers FC and those associated with it, and these belated actions by the football authorities are about damage limitation, but the way ahead is still clear and obvious - they must follow the laws and rules as they stand and as they were agreed by all, including Rangers FC.

Any actions that are taken to appease the very club that caused the damage will only serve to damage the game further, and probably beyond repair. There is only one answer and it was written in black and white by the very people that are now asking the questions.

If anything the actions of the Rangers FC establishment and particularly their cheerleader in the press and on the SPL board is only damaging their cause further by hardening the attitudes of right-minded people towards the club.


Well said CG, this fiasco has only made me want them punished to the extreme and made an example of to the footballing world!

[GloryGlory]

That club have cheated you and me, every other Scottish supporter, every other European supporter, even friendlies they have played against out of our hard earned admission money for decades. They have done their level best at every opportunity to rig every match they have taken part in.

How anyone can suggest one year out of the SPL is a fitting punishment is beyond me.How anyone can suggest that a club with a track record like that should be admitted to any league is beyond me.

In what other part of life would such criminal activities be ignored to allow re-entry to an association?

That's besides the theft of around £150,000,000 from all and sundry.

Let them keep their tainted history but there cannot be a future that includes them at any level.



Note: must be more than £1,000 they've cheated me out of over the years. I really can't be bothered working it out properly.

:agree: One season punishment for almost 30 seasons of cheating. Not enough. Even three seasons out of the big league is only one season punishment for almost ten seasons of cheating.

As to the DR story about reconstruction, it would only work with voting changed to ensure no OF veto and a fair distribution of sponsor and TV income. We need a fairer, more competitive structure and giving the already rich the lion's share of sponsor and TV money, along with the ability to block any change and run the league for their own selfish ends, embeds lack of competition even more.

We also need to look at supporting clubs like Hibs, Hearts, Falkirk and others who invest in youth development, because that is the only way in the longer term that Scottish football is going to improve, domestically and on the international stage.

Oh, yes - we also need Celtic FC and, if they survive, Newco of Govan Oldcheats FC, to fully commit to the future of the Scottish game and stop all this silly, destabilising nonsense of looking to get out to the EPL.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm inclined to agree. They need to be punished but I think kicking them out of the SPL is enough. Ideally they'd have to join the 3rd Division but that's out of our hands.

As an aside it's very ironic that the open letter above complains of clubs kicking Rangers when they're down when their fans sing the 'bouncey bouncey' song which i understand was about a Catholic having his head jumped up and down on. **** Rangers.

No its not, there are NO rules that allow them as a newco to drop one division or Stay in the SPL. Any newco MUST apply at the bottom tier.

Anything else is just pandering to Rangers, and making a mockery of any structure we had in the game. They can stick scottish football up their erse for me if this come in.

If this comes to fruition, then we must demand Rod Petrie *****s every penny he can lay his hands on, on players we cant afford and not even think about bothering with tax payments.

The punishment after getting away with it for god knows how many years, is now set in stone. 1 relegation season and a slap on the wrist pittance of a fine. I'd take that for 15 -20 years of europe each season and the odd cup win, who wouldn't?

[BarneyK]

No its not, there are NO rules that allow them as a newco to drop one division or Stay in the SPL. Any newco MUST apply at the bottom tier.

Anything else is just pandering to Rangers, and making a mockery of any structure we had in the game. They can stick scottish football up their erse for me if this come in.

If this comes to fruition, then we must demand Rod Petrie *****s every penny he can lay his hands on, on players we cant afford and not even think about bothering with tax payments.

The punishment after getting away with it for god knows how many years, is now set in stone. 1 relegation season and a slap on the wrist pittance of a fine. I'd take that for 15 -20 years of europe each season and the odd cup win, who wouldn't?

A pittance of a fine that, much like the EBT "Loans", they don't have to pay, just chuck it on to the Liquidation Creditors bonfire...

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Nothing the daily record has printed has been the truth ...don't panic folks ....

[joe breezy]

The clubs you mention will go along with it if the money is right. Oh the irony of SPL clubs paying to lessen Rangers punishment. This would be the weasly cop out the lily livered chairmen would need . Relegation with a safety net. I would prepare to be disappointed with decisions made before the July 4th pretence of being tough.

If the money is right? ...maybe not

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2163489/Fans-fight-SFA-warned-expect-small-clubs-bow-down.html


The SFA were warned on Friday night that the 'Arab Spring' of supporter revolt threatens to sink their chances of parachuting the newco Rangers into the First Division.
Under pressure from FIFA, the governing body is proposing a fast-track merger of the SPL and SFL, with newco Rangers being dropped into the second tier of a new Scottish Professional Football League.
But Raith Rovers chairman Turnbull Hutton led the protests on Friday night and predicted disgruntled fans will rise up against the SFA plan.
And Falkirk chairman Martin Ritchie described the proposal to drop the Glasgow giants just one league as 'totally unacceptable'.
Allowing any newco into the First Division would need a rule change by the SFL, with 75 per cent of the 30 member clubs required to vote it through.
Steadily mounting opposition from the supporters of SPL clubs already looks like ensuring top-flight football without Rangers next season.
And Hutton expects open revolt among First Division fans, who will view attempts to gerrymander a solution for the Ibrox club as proof Scottish football is ‘corrupt’.
‘I expect the Arab Spring, which has been so powerful in the SPL, to surge right through the First Division,’ the Stark’s Park chairman told Sportsmail.
‘There is a swell of fan power, which has long been ignored, that is gaining momentum.
‘To the people in power in Scottish football, putting Rangers in the First Division seems like a nice, neat solution.
‘They will think justice is being seen to be done, that it keeps Sky, FIFA and UEFA happy, that it solves the Rangers problem in a pragmatic way they could justify as being for the good of the game.
‘But the big problem for them is that fans are now saying: “Scottish football is corrupt. Why should I waste my hard-earned money on it?”’
Hutton believes it is wrong that SFL clubs find themselves as decision makers on the biggest crisis in Scottish football history, with five days’ notice required to hold a vote on the issue.


‘First Division clubs are being asked to solve a problem that is not of their making — and then take the consequences from the fans,’ he said.
‘In the First Division, we don’t benefit from Sky TV money, but we are being asked to help safeguard it.
‘Raith Rovers don’t have an official position yet on any vote, because we haven’t discussed it at board level — but we could not risk alienating our supporters.’
Falkirk chairman Ritchie insists the price of entry for Rangers must be a wide-ranging shake-up of the Scottish game. The SPL will meet on Thursday, with the SFA proposal on the agenda.
Ritchie said: ‘Many fans have expressed concerns regarding the potential outcome for the newco Rangers and their impact on Scottish football, the SFL and our own club.
‘The board at Falkirk FC believe the current turmoil should be a catalyst for change in Scottish Football.
‘It would be totally unacceptable if a Rangers newco were admitted to the First Division under the current rules.’
Meanwhile, Aberdeen chairman Stewart Milne revealed on Friday that his club remains undecided on voting the Ibrox club back into the SPL, contrary to reports placing the Dons alongside Hearts and Dundee United in the ‘no’ camp.
However, Jim Cumming, one of the Dons’ biggest shareholders, was threatening to force an extraordinary general meeting on Friday night if the Aberdeen board vote in favour of allowing a newco Rangers to play in the SPL next season.
St Johnstone also broke cover to suggest they too would vote against the Ibrox club’s return.

[snooky]

There can be no doubt that Scottish football has been seriously damaged by the actions of Rangers FC and those associated with it, and these belated actions by the football authorities are about damage limitation, but the way ahead is still clear and obvious - they must follow the laws and rules as they stand and as they were agreed by all, including Rangers FC.

Any actions that are taken to appease the very club that caused the damage will only serve to damage the game further, and probably beyond repair. There is only one answer and it was written in black and white by the very people that are now asking the questions.

If anything the actions of the Rangers FC establishment and particularly their cheerleader in the press and on the SPL board is only damaging their cause further by hardening the attitudes of right-minded people towards the club.

:agree: Re. RFC's predicament, probably more damage has been done by the attitude of their officials, fans & media serfs than the revelation of the previous cheating. If they'd held their hand up at day one and said "Sorry, we'll take the punishment on the chin" then I think there may have been more acceptance from the other clubs to come and go a bit.

Alas, they just grabbed the nearest shovel & dug the hole deeper....and continue to do so.

[joe breezy]

http://blueheavenfanzine.wordpress.com/


It’s a long time since this website has been updated with anything even vaguely resembling regularity. Once upon a time, BH was not only a printed fanzine, but also a busy web community of Saints news, views and rubbish Dundee jokes. My main excuse for letting all this slip is that I’m a lazy bugger at heart, but there’s also the marginally more acceptable reason that I now have to spend most of my time in London. While I still spend frankly stupid amounts of time and money travelling to watch my boyhood heroes, I’m no longer an ever-present, and feel my ability to publish fair comment on the latest right-back or new pie range has long since diminished.

Incredibly, though, blueheaven.org.uk still pulls in a daily slew of hits from all over the world. Admittedly, many of them appear to be from people looking for recipes for Scottish ‘Biscuits’ (hello biscuit fans, if you’re reading this!). But a fair whack of them are also St Johnstone supporters. People still use this site to get in touch and ask me how they can get hold of old fanzine issues, or when there will be a new one, or even whether I can spare some time to give a fans’ view to the media.

So, in my own odd way, I feel an annoying sense of residual duty to use this site to express some sort of view on the crisis that is currently ripping through Scottish football. Which means me crawling out of retirement for one last rant.

On 4th July, our club will be asked to vote on whether or not a cheap, hurriedly constructed version of Rangers will be allowed to play in next season’s SPL. It could be the SPL’s very own Independence Day, or it could be the day that sees thousands of fans up and down the country turning their backs on clubs they have supported for their entire lives.

In the BH fanzine days, Rangers (or The Forces of Darkness as we always knew them) were essentially treated as the comedy bad guys. And I suppose that now, with their fiendish EBT scheme, TFOD have indeed turned out to be Scottish football’s equivalent of Dick Dastardly in Wacky Races; always stopping mid-race to place increasingly elaborate obstacles in their competitors’ way, too stupid and greedy to realise that if they only kept going they’d be miles ahead anyway.

And now that it’s blown up in their faces, after years of boasting about being too good for Scotland and threatening to pack up their belongings and head elsewhere, Rangers need a favour. The mighty Rangers, with their world record stash of domestic trophies, wondrous marble staircase and noble history of religious intolerance, need a favour from us, the **** on their shoes.

But there’s just one problem. Because they’re not even Rangers, are they? Rangers – the real Rangers that is, with their cheeky, lovable fanbase – lie dying in the gutter. And, while a succession of predictably dodgy characters squabble over the scraps, a New Rangers has appeared like a phoenix from the flames. Or, at least, a phoenix from some ****. A stinking phoenix from a pile of corrupt, ******ing ****.

Yet this new club (catchily titled Sevco 5088 – it’ll look great on the Union Jack flags), that has never as much as kicked a football, supposedly has the SPL running scared. We can’t upset Sevco! Anything but that! After all, without the pulling power of Sevco, the league will degenerate into something akin to Irish-League-meets-swingball, with no TV deal, no Sevco fans to swell our stands and piss in our shop doorways, and none of that juicy European glory we’ve all grown so accustomed to dining out on as Scottish football fans. The end of the world is officially nigh.

Unfortunately, the pro-Sevco argument falls apart on two fronts: 1. It’s bollocks (if Scottish First Division clubs can survive without the Old Firm or a TV deal, then why can’t the larger clubs of the SPL?); 2. Even if it weren’t bollocks, it’s not the point. It’s not about money. It’s not about product. It’s not about standard of football. It’s not even about Rangers (because, let us never forget, they’re not Rangers). It’s about sporting integrity, and it’s about supporters up and down the land saying enough is enough.

From a purely personal point of view, if I was at all bothered about watching the world’s greatest footballers playing sexy football inside a packed stadium and in front of a huge TV audience, I would not be a St Johnstone supporter. I, like many others, support Saints because they are my local club, representing my home town. From an early age, I was hooked on the sights, sounds and smells of following that club. My most enduring memories of watching Saints stretch from buying blue popcorn and Dotty bars as a kid in the Ormond Stand, to losing the league in the last minute of the season at Hamilton and being hammered 4-0 by Stenhousemuir. Very few of my St Johnstone memories involve any sort of glory, and those that do stand out only because they are so rare. Yet, like the rest of us, I’ve carried on going back, and at increasingly hard-to-justify levels of expense at that.

To paraphrase one of the contributors to the We Are Perth forum, what it boils down to is this: I’d rather watch St Johnstone playing amateur Sunday league football on the North Inch, than pay to see them willingly participate in a fixed, corrupt Premier League. Because that is exactly what the SPL will become if it allows a brand new football club to leapfrog the lower divisions and start out in the top flight, based purely on the strength of an application form.

Is this really how the SPL wants football to work now? Should we ditch the concept of promotion and relegation completely, and just open up every place in the league to the highest bidder? Why even bother playing football at all? Why not just turn the whole league into one big, obscene auction?

If that is what the SPL wants, then I’m afraid it’s probably time for me – as a fan of football, not of business – to bow out. And if it’s something St Johnstone are prepared to vote in favour of, then like many other fans I’ll be forced to re-assess whether or not I really want to support them. That’s something I never thought I’d say. But, while I’ll always be a Saints fan at heart, I’ll view my commitment to supporting the club in a very different way if the club votes ‘yes’.

If I could make one plea to Steve Brown and the rest of the St Johnstone board, it would be this: please don’t turn your backs on the club’s ethics. Those same ethics prompted Geoff Brown to speak out against Livingston and Gretna, and they’re as valid now as they were then. Don’t give in to bullying, or greed, or corporate threats. Don’t give up on being a football club. Don’t give up on being St Johnstone. No surrender.

[Bighoose]

Just ignore that rubbish in the Daily Record today, lot of desperate straw clutching going on.

But Im sure this will be nothing compared to some of their more fanciful efforts still to come...


On a more serious note, Im really worried for this chap... http://taboard.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=138285

[BarneyK]

If the money is right? ...maybe not

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2163489/Fans-fight-SFA-warned-expect-small-clubs-bow-down.html


The SFA were warned on Friday night that the 'Arab Spring' of supporter revolt threatens to sink their chances of parachuting the newco Rangers into the First Division.
Under pressure from FIFA, the governing body is proposing a fast-track merger of the SPL and SFL, with newco Rangers being dropped into the second tier of a new Scottish Professional Football League.
But Raith Rovers chairman Turnbull Hutton led the protests on Friday night and predicted disgruntled fans will rise up against the SFA plan.
And Falkirk chairman Martin Ritchie described the proposal to drop the Glasgow giants just one league as 'totally unacceptable'.
Allowing any newco into the First Division would need a rule change by the SFL, with 75 per cent of the 30 member clubs required to vote it through.
Steadily mounting opposition from the supporters of SPL clubs already looks like ensuring top-flight football without Rangers next season.
And Hutton expects open revolt among First Division fans, who will view attempts to gerrymander a solution for the Ibrox club as proof Scottish football is ‘corrupt’.
‘I expect the Arab Spring, which has been so powerful in the SPL, to surge right through the First Division,’ the Stark’s Park chairman told Sportsmail.
‘There is a swell of fan power, which has long been ignored, that is gaining momentum.
‘To the people in power in Scottish football, putting Rangers in the First Division seems like a nice, neat solution.
‘They will think justice is being seen to be done, that it keeps Sky, FIFA and UEFA happy, that it solves the Rangers problem in a pragmatic way they could justify as being for the good of the game.
‘But the big problem for them is that fans are now saying: “Scottish football is corrupt. Why should I waste my hard-earned money on it?”’Hutton believes it is wrong that SFL clubs find themselves as decision makers on the biggest crisis in Scottish football history, with five days’ notice required to hold a vote on the issue.


‘First Division clubs are being asked to solve a problem that is not of their making — and then take the consequences from the fans,’ he said.
‘In the First Division, we don’t benefit from Sky TV money, but we are being asked to help safeguard it.
‘Raith Rovers don’t have an official position yet on any vote, because we haven’t discussed it at board level — but we could not risk alienating our supporters.’
Falkirk chairman Ritchie insists the price of entry for Rangers must be a wide-ranging shake-up of the Scottish game. The SPL will meet on Thursday, with the SFA proposal on the agenda.
Ritchie said: ‘Many fans have expressed concerns regarding the potential outcome for the newco Rangers and their impact on Scottish football, the SFL and our own club.
‘The board at Falkirk FC believe the current turmoil should be a catalyst for change in Scottish Football.
‘It would be totally unacceptable if a Rangers newco were admitted to the First Division under the current rules.’
Meanwhile, Aberdeen chairman Stewart Milne revealed on Friday that his club remains undecided on voting the Ibrox club back into the SPL, contrary to reports placing the Dons alongside Hearts and Dundee United in the ‘no’ camp.
However, Jim Cumming, one of the Dons’ biggest shareholders, was threatening to force an extraordinary general meeting on Friday night if the Aberdeen board vote in favour of allowing a newco Rangers to play in the SPL next season.
St Johnstone also broke cover to suggest they too would vote against the Ibrox club’s return.

Well said Mr Hutton

[blackpoolhibs]

NO SURRENDER



Stolen from a St Johnstone fan.

[joe breezy]

NO SURRENDER



Stolen from a St Johnstone fan.

:greengrin:greengrin

[IWasThere2016]

Saintees post above is brilliant!

Well said Bairns chairman, Martin Ritchie also :agree:

[bawheid]

The so called Arab Spring taking place across Scottish football is the most refreshing thing that has happened in decades.

We must keep pushing it on until fairness and sport triumph.

[poolman]

Sally, just over three years ago :greengrin What a wally


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11781_4476643,00.html

[northgreen24]

The funny thing is all these plans will never happen as the swell of support is the blue noses to be fully punished, any bending of the rules to drop them one division would be jsut as bad as letting them start in the SPL. it is clear what the fans want and will not accept anything else and a a bit of hush money is not going to change that.


also the only people who read the daily record is the same ones that were convinced that all would be ok and they would be safe as life does not exist without the biggoted brothers...........o wait it does :)

[Cropley10]

The so called Arab Spring taking place across Scottish football is the most refreshing thing that has happened in decades.

We must keep pushing it on until fairness and sport triumph.

:top marks:

[Saorsa]

Sally, just over three years ago :greengrin What a wally


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11781_4476643,00.htmlToo big for Scottish fitba :hilarious no too big now though eh! :lolrangers: On their hands and knees now looking for favours from everybody that they were too good for :bye:

I guess that's what happens when you grow big by stealing form the tax payers http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae247/Mainboy/Pleasing/th_e5032634.gif and cheating :lolrangers:

[Jim44]

The funny thing is all these plans will never happen as the swell of support is the blue noses to be fully punished, any bending of the rules to drop them one division would be jsut as bad as letting them start in the SPL. it is clear what the fans want and will not accept anything else and a a bit of hush money is not going to change that.


also the only people who read the daily record is the same ones that were convinced that all would be ok and they would be safe as life does not exist without the biggoted brothers...........o wait it does :)

But 'if'the parachuting of Rangers to Div 1 goes ahead, it will be because all the doormat chairmen of the SPL have accepted it. If they think that their supporters will lie back and accept their dodgy compromise they might be in for a shock. I would hope there would be a massive reaction from every club fanbase in the SPL which illustrates to their greedy chairmen that, if it's financial expediency which drives them, the income from their own support is every bit as or more important than the 30 pieces of silver they get from Sky and the hun supporters.

[Paisley Hibby]

Saintees post above is brilliant!

Well said Bairns chairman, Martin Ritchie also :agree:

Agree re the Saintees post. But if Martin Ritchie has been quoted correctly then I think he´s willing to do a deal. See the bit in bold. Thing is, clubs in SFL are probably much closer to thier supporters than SPL clubs - so I can´t see them collectively agreeing to anything that makes life easy for the Sevco Huns.

"Falkirk chairman Ritchie insists the price of entry for Rangers must be a wide-ranging shake-up of the Scottish game. The SPL will meet on Thursday, with the SFA proposal on the agenda.
Ritchie said: ‘Many fans have expressed concerns regarding the potential outcome for the newco Rangers and their impact on Scottish football, the SFL and our own club.
‘The board at Falkirk FC believe the current turmoil should be a catalyst for change in Scottish Football.
‘It would be totally unacceptable if a Rangers newco were admitted to the First Division under the current rules.’

[IWasThere2016]

Jimmy Carr has avoided so much tax that in Scotland he's known as ....







Comedian 12 :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

And they wonder why everyone hates them.

Guy working in JJB sports has a wee dig at Rangers fan's expense. By the third page his description, store location and email address for official complaints are there for all to see. All accompanied by the stereotypical Hun response to anything they don't like.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223562&pid=1060144060&st=40&#entry1060144060

More comedy gold!

The website that just keeps giving.

[proud_and_green]

No its not, there are NO rules that allow them as a newco to drop one division or Stay in the SPL. Any newco MUST apply at the bottom tier.

Anything else is just pandering to Rangers, and making a mockery of any structure we had in the game. They can stick scottish football up their erse for me if this come in.

If this comes to fruition, then we must demand Rod Petrie *****s every penny he can lay his hands on, on players we cant afford and not even think about bothering with tax payments.

The punishment after getting away with it for god knows how many years, is now set in stone. 1 relegation season and a slap on the wrist pittance of a fine. I'd take that for 15 -20 years of europe each season and the odd cup win, who wouldn't?

Absolutely spot on.

They must be made to languish in junior football as would have happened to Airdrie had they not bought over Clyde.

No justice if they go to 1st Div and then bounce back. That just gives every team in Scotland the justification to do as you say - spend beyond their means, not pay their taxes then give the good old Agincourt salute to the rest of the world!

If theire punishment is 1st Div - that in my opinion is worse than allowing them into the SPL straight off - it is pretending they've been punished but just covereing up their offences!

**** them!

[Steve-O]

I know it won't be popular but I think a year out the SPL is a decent compromise.

They'll get there punishment, we'll probably still keep the finances of the tv deal and we'll be able to change the voting structure.

It is a rubbish compromise. 1 year out, still with a tv deal, win the league easily, and back, debt free, in 2013.

Surely you agree that is a very poor punishment for all that has went on? It would be an absolute disgrace and no mistake.

[joe breezy]

Is this mangling all the issues into 1?
To allow a new company into the SPL the clubs have decided a vote should be taken looking at each case individually.
Whatever the outcome will be the outcome.

Then there will be the tax case
Then there will be the dual contracts
Then there will be the issue with the accounts
Then they have to live within their means
Then there will be the alternative punishment
There may be an issue regarding a conflict of interest by D&P

So much going on I think the club is ****ed.

I agree although it looks like Sevco 5088 are applying to create a football club to appeal to the people who used to support Rangers

That club look likely to get knocked back from joining the SPL

From reports it looks like the SFA / SPL are trying to work something out that allows Sevco into a league below SPL...

It's still important that pressure is kept on the authorities to ensure Sevco's best case scenario is division 3

As time goes on things look bleak for Sevco, as you rightly point out. Their players are all leaving, they don't have a football club name i believe, I think there may well be no Secvo5088 in Scottish football at all next season.

[bingo70]

It is a rubbish compromise. 1 year out, still with a tv deal, win the league easily, and back, debt free, in 2013.

Surely you agree that is a very poor punishment for all that has went on? It would be an absolute disgrace and no mistake.

Yeah, having thought about it and from reading the posts on here you're probably right.

If they get relegated they really do have to start at the bottom of the SFL, that's what happened with Livi and Airdrie (i think) so they really do have to go by the same rules, they can't get special treatment because they're a big club.

Ignore my earlier post, appears i was talking pish.

[Steve-O]

Yeah, having thought about it and from reading the posts on here you're probably right.

If they get relegated they really do have to start at the bottom of the SFL, that's what happened with Livi and Airdrie (i think) so they really do have to go by the same rules, they can't get special treatment because they're a big club.

Ignore my earlier post, appears i was talking pish.

Ah, that was easy :greengrin

[Jim44]

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

No its not, there are NO rules that allow them as a newco to drop one division or Stay in the SPL. Any newco MUST apply at the bottom tier.

Anything else is just pandering to Rangers, and making a mockery of any structure we had in the game. They can stick scottish football up their erse for me if this come in.

If this comes to fruition, then we must demand Rod Petrie *****s every penny he can lay his hands on, on players we cant afford and not even think about bothering with tax payments.

The punishment after getting away with it for god knows how many years, is now set in stone. 1 relegation season and a slap on the wrist pittance of a fine. I'd take that for 15 -20 years of europe each season and the odd cup win, who wouldn't?

The first stated priority, according to the DR report on their 'secret meeting', will be to "find a mechanism to allow Rangers to be parachuted into Division 1"

For that I read 'unilaterally change the rules or move the goalposts'.

[fit o' the walk]

Can you provide a link for this statement please as it is not what they released last week.

The statement I read was published in the sun (a paper from the same parent company) stating sky would not be walking away from the SPL regardless of whether rangers were in or not, and had no interest in running or interfering with the SPL.

This statement directly contradicted the piece in the daily record saying that sky would pull out if rangers were not present. It also expressed anger that the records piece was stirring up trouble (the record has history with printing negative stories about sky, not of the same parent company). It was in one of the morning rags,maybe 3 or 4 days before the statement about Sky not walking away from the SPL,the guy said something like" While we would consider a one Div.demotion as maybe agreeable,it is doubtful if we would agree to an absence of 3yrs" I would be very surprised if Sky and Spl had not held exploratory talks regarding the situation.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If the story in The Record is true, next season might just be the one that puts the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football as we know it.

[down-the-slope]

Sally, just over three years ago :greengrin What a wally


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11781_4476643,00.html


:faf:...Sevco 5088...the remains of the club that was Too big for the SPL

[Caversham Green]

But 'if'the parachuting of Rangers to Div 1 goes ahead, it will be because all the doormat chairmen of the SPL have accepted it. If they think that their supporters will lie back and accept their dodgy compromise they might be in for a shock. I would hope there would be a massive reaction from every club fanbase in the SPL which illustrates to their greedy chairmen that, if it's financial expediency which drives them, the income from their own support is every bit as or more important than the 30 pieces of silver they get from Sky and the hun supporters.

It's not the SPL chairmen who would be to blame here. All they are being asked to do is vote aye or naw to allowing this new club into the SPL and the indications are that enough of them will vote naw to block it. It's then up to the SFA and SFL what happens to the new club - if it gets into Div 1 it will be at the behest of those two bodies not the SPL.

On the other hand if the whole league set-up is changed purely to assist the new company to get to the top league as quickly as possible then your charge of doormats is justified.

[Greentinted]

Can anyone direct me to the recent semi-literate quote from a huffy hun containing the words 'yous, stab, back'? Ta
The search facility isnae playing and there's way too much thread merging going on here.

[lucky]

We have all demanded the Huns be kicked out the SPL. Some doubt it will happen bit it now appears its a cert. If they end up in Div 1 so be it. That decision can only happen if the SFL allow it to happen. This sorry saga is very bad for Scottish football. Very few clubs will come out of it stronger. But Rangers will and that's the problem, how do you punish a new club for the sins of an old one.

[Leithenhibby]

We have all demanded the Huns be kicked out the SPL. Some doubt it will happen bit it now appears its a cert. If they end up in Div 1 so be it. That decision can only happen if the SFL allow it to happen. This sorry saga is very bad for Scottish football. Very few clubs will come out of it stronger. But Rangers will and that's the problem, how do you punish a new club for the sins of an old one.

And in ten years time do you think the their fans will look at their club as an old/ newco ... :wink:

Didn't think so!! :na na:

[Dave-O]

I'm actually embarrassed for the sfa/spl as they quite clearly don't have a ****ing clue how to bring this sorry episode to an end, the whole of Europe must laughing their socks off at us trying to find a punishment to appease the biggest cheats in British football, were staggering about like a one legged man in a arse kicking competition and the powers that be are holding a secret meeting into the wee small hours to come up with that, it's pathetic.

Just disband the football associations in Scotland and move it through to the capital where they can run it without fear of these 2 cancerous clubs intimidating them.

[snooky]

Absolutely spot on.

They must be made to languish in junior football as would have happened to Airdrie had they not bought over Clyde.

No justice if they go to 1st Div and then bounce back. That just gives every team in Scotland the justification to do as you say - spend beyond their means, not pay their taxes then give the good old Agincourt salute to the rest of the world!

If theire punishment is 1st Div - that in my opinion is worse than allowing them into the SPL straight off - it is pretending they've been punished but just covereing up their offences!

**** them!

Good point and a very valid one as well.
"Sham Justice R Us" - SFA

[grunt]

... the whole of Europe must laughing their socks off at us trying to find a punishment to appease the biggest cheats in British football...Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.

[down-the-slope]

We have all demanded the Huns be kicked out the SPL. Some doubt it will happen bit it now appears its a cert. If they end up in Div 1 so be it. That decision can only happen if the SFL allow it to happen. This sorry saga is very bad for Scottish football. Very few clubs will come out of it stronger. But Rangers will and that's the problem, how do you punish a new club for the sins of an old one.

Can you and others please stop posting this :aok: - as I have asked previously. They are NOT IN the SPL so cannot be kicked out of anything (it just plays to the other view to see them being kicked out / punished harshly etc)

The SPL Chairmen are being asked to vote on whether to allow a newly formed club to apply to go directly into the SPL...nothing more nothing less

[Jim44]

I'm actually embarrassed for the sfa/spl as they quite clearly don't have a ****ing clue how to bring this sorry episode to an end, the whole of Europe must laughing their socks off at us trying to find a punishment to appease the biggest cheats in British football, were staggering about like a one legged man in a arse kicking competition and the powers that be are holding a secret meeting into the wee small hours to come up with that, it's pathetic.

Just disband the football associations in Scotland and move it through to the capital where they can run it without fear of these 2 cancerous clubs intimidating them.

It's as if they're trying to cure a cancerous cyst with an elastoplast. The only chance of a cure is to cut it off. This will cause short term trauma to the body but, in the longer term, survival is possible.

[grunt]

Ally McCoist trying to stem the tide, doing his very best Canute impression.
Don't miss the not-even-veiled threat from Green at the end of the statement.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2820089


Edit to add - it looks as though McCoist and Green have different views - Ally seems to believe that the players have "their own decisions to make". Can't even isssue a clear statement...

[PeeJay]

Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.

Wee bit further afield - there has been very, very little coverage here in Germany - when it's all done and dusted is when I expect the next report in the media, but nothing before it - funny that - huge club with millions of fans worldwide and it means next to nothing here!

[SmithyHibee]

It's now on the Sky Sports app that Aluko has rejected the transfer of his contract to the Newco!

[Dave-O]

Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.

OK a slight exaggeration but if it wasn't for the Euro's being on I'm sure it would be, and once they get pumped the morra it will be, something to take their mind of it. :wink:

[Lungo--Drom]

About a month ago the head of the SFL said he would welcome an application by 'Rangers' (NewHunCo) to join the SFL. He said he would look favourably on any such application for admission into the Third Division. Maybe he needs reminding of that.

[Jim44]

Ally McCoist trying to stem the tide, doing his very best Canute impression.
Don't miss the not-even-veiled threat from Green at the end of the statement.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2820089


Edit to add - it looks as though McCoist and Green have different views - Ally seems to believe that the players have "their own decisions to make". Can't even isssue a clear statement...

So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.:dunno:

[Lungo--Drom]

Smithy, soon as I read your post I thought of the following song...

Bronski Beat - Small Town Boy

You leave in the morning

With everything you own

In a little black case

Alone on a platform

The wind and the rain

On a sad and lonely face
Mother will never understand

Why you had to leave

But the answers you seek

Will never be found at home

The love that you need

Will never be found at home

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.


Pushed around and kicked around

Always a lonely boy
You were the one

That theyd talk about around town

As they put you down

And as hard as they would try

Theyd hurt to make you cry

But you never cried to them
Just to your soul

No you never cried to them

Just to your soul


Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.


Cry , boy, cry...

You leave in the morning

With everything you own

In a little black case

Alone on a platform
The wind and the rain

On a sad and lonely face


Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run
away.


It's now on the Sky Sports app that Aluko has rejected the transfer of his contract to the Newco!

[Lungo--Drom]

Jim, not necessarily so. They can leave if they and their agents/lawyers are fully sure of the law on this matter. Then it is up to Green to take them to court and try and prove to a judge his alternative version of reality. As a former trade union rep. I believe Green is in the wrong and the players are in the right.


So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.:dunno:

[Sergey]

Don't think so. I spent last week working in London, the Rangers story barely makes a paragraph in the major daily newspapers. There is little to no coverage.


OK a slight exaggeration but if it wasn't for the Euro's being on I'm sure it would be, and once they get pumped the morra it will be, something to take their mind of it. :wink:

It wouldn't, for the simple fact that Scottish football doesn't sell English newspapers. Ask yourself how much coverage English League 2 and/or Conference football gets in the Scottish press. It's a similar scenario.

FWIW - The Times ran with a DPS in their sports section this week looking at RFC and how HMRC are clamping down on clubs evasion of tax. It was [allegedly] penned by Gabriale Marcotti and it was a complete waste of column inches. It was no more than a cut and paste from stories that have appeared in the Scottish media.

[jgl07]

About a month ago the head of the SFL said he would welcome an application by 'Rangers' (NewHunCo) to join the SFL. He said he would look favourably on any such application for admission into the Third Division. Maybe he needs reminding of that.

I do not see that entry to SFL1 is a real possibility.

It requires a majority of two thirds of all SFL clubs to suspend the rules. To restructure requires a years' notice and a 75% majority.

I can't see the SFL1 clubs being too keen on this as it would eliminate the chance of any of them being promoted. It also increases the relegationprospects for the bottom teams because Rangers will be included at the expense of Aidrie United.

Admitting Rangers to SFL1 will also deny promotion to Airdrie United and Stranraer.

The SFL3 clubs will obviously have a preference for Rangers to come into SF3 rather than SFL1.

If Rangers are not careful they will be playing nowhere next season.

[jgl07]

So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.

It is all bluster from Green. The players (or rather the best of them) will walk and Green will do nothing. As soon as he takes legal advice they will tell him to forget it.

[green glory]

McMoist trying to whip the maggot-folk into a frenzy again. Irresponsible ****.

https://twitter.com/bbcsportsound/status/216506148323475456

[Offside Trap]

So the statement by Fraser Wishart about players' contracts is wrong, according to Green. This is surely a stalemate which might need legal procedure to resolve. Meanwhile the players can't go anywhere or play for Team 12.:dunno:

Green is correct. The contracts will have transferred under TUPE. Players have to object to the TUPE transfer before the TUPE transfer happens, i.e. before the day Green bought the assets for £5.5m.

Wishart is also correct. Under TUPE regs, consultation (at least 90 days) must take place with "in-scope" employees prior to the TUPE transfer. Very doubtful that happened here. If due consultation does not take place, then an employment tribunal will find in favour of the employee.

Both parties are therefore correct - just Wishart more so than Green. :greengrin

[VickMackie]

I'm inclined to agree. They need to be punished but I think kicking them out of the SPL is enough. Ideally they'd have to join the 3rd Division but that's out of our hands.

As an aside it's very ironic that the open letter above complains of clubs kicking Rangers when they're down when their fans sing the 'bouncey bouncey' song which i understand was about a Catholic having his head jumped up and down on. **** Rangers.

Is that last part about bouncey true?!

**** sake.

[blackpoolhibs]

Ally McCoist trying to stem the tide, doing his very best Canute impression.
Don't miss the not-even-veiled threat from Green at the end of the statement.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2820089


Edit to add - it looks as though McCoist and Green have different views - Ally seems to believe that the players have "their own decisions to make". Can't even isssue a clear statement...

There he goes again, looking for honesty and transparency, its funny how he only wants it for some things, but not anything to do with telling the truth or trivial things like EBT's


NO SURRENDER

[Leithenhibby]

"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective. - McCoist



Oh really! This will be fun to watch unfolding .... :greengrin

[matty_f]

Is that last part about bouncey true?!

**** sake.

I think it depends on who you ask :wink:

[Offside Trap]

[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;3272592]There he goes again, looking for honesty and transparency, its funny how he only wants it for some things, but not anything to do with telling the truth or trivial things like EBT's

:agree:

They just keep digging deeper don't they? Having already alienated pretty much everyone and everything else thus far with their lack of remorse and "it wisnae us" attitude, they are now issuing comms which are sure to get them offside with their own players. Bonkers but hilarious. Bye bye huns. :bye:

[Offside Trap]

"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective. - McCoist



Oh really! This will be fun to watch unfolding .... :greengrin

Would love to know who their Employment Lawyers are....

[snooky]

"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective. - McCoist
Oh really! This will be fun to what unfolding .... :greengrin


Comments of this ilk from Sally & Greene are akin to a Press Gang (no pun intended).
I can imagine the players in question will be feeling much the same way as the rest of us these days.
The tone of these "Thou shalt's" certainly wouldn't entice me to stay and be loyal given the choice.

[blackpoolhibs]

Kevin Kyle on sportsound just now, he's a fanny. :rolleyes:

[jgl07]

Would love to know who their Employment Lawyers are....

Collyer Bristow?

[Sylar]

Is that last part about bouncey true?!

**** sake.

There are folk out there who claim the Rangers fans sing Penny Arcade, because of a spurious 20 word news clipping about a Catholic who was murdered in an amusement arcade in Northern Ireland.

[lyonhibs]

There are folk out there who claim the Rangers fans sing Penny Arcade, because of a spurious 20 word news clipping about a Catholic who was murdered in an amusement arcade in Northern Ireland.

Both of these rumours - Penny Arcade and The Bouncy - are absolute tosh according to some pretty level headed (i.e. want them to go down to the SPL and start again) Hun mates.

[Offside Trap]

Collyer Bristow?

:faf:

Nothing would surprise....and I bet their fee is approx £25m.....:greengrin

[joe breezy]

Kevin Kyle on sportsound just now, he's a fanny. :rolleyes:

perfect illustration of how less intelligent most football players are than many football fans...

[jgl07]

Both of these rumours - Penny Arcade and The Bouncy - are absolute tosh according to some pretty level headed (i.e. want them to go down to the SPL and start again) Hun mates.

Always beware of apparently sensible Rangers Fans. They will tell you that 'they are only folk songs'.

Don't believe a word of it.

[matty_f]

Both of these rumours - Penny Arcade and The Bouncy - are absolute tosh according to some pretty level headed (i.e. want them to go down to the SPL and start again) Hun mates.

:agree: All depends on who you ask.

[Sylar]

Both of these rumours - Penny Arcade and The Bouncy - are absolute tosh according to some pretty level headed (i.e. want them to go down to the SPL and start again) Hun mates.

:agree:

I don't know if it's just a Celtic fan's need to find a victim angle in everything relative to Rangers or not.

"You put your left foot in, your left foot out, in-out, in-out, shake it all about..."

:confused:

[BarneyK]

What the Hell kind of statement is that exactly? Let's break a couple of things down -

"He said: "It has been reported that a couple of players have indicated they want to challenge the transfer of their contracts. This is news to me and no player has spoken to me about it."

How'sabout picking up the phone and asking them then, rather than immediately going on the offensive. Or have they already told you and you're just telling wee fibs again. Because...

"At all times during my first year as manager, I strived to show players respect and in return would have hoped they would have shown me, and more importantly the club, respect by notifying us of their intentions before making it known elsewhere.

...Would suggest you know the reports to be correct and factual.

"Players have their own decisions to make and I understand that, but the question they have to ask themselves is do they want to play for Rangers or not?

Haven't they made that decision, isn't that the point?

"The formation of a new company is not the issue. The players would be playing for the same club - Rangers - in front of the same fans.

Same club, same fans, but none of that other clubs debt though, eh Ally?

"If players want to leave and play somewhere else then they should be honest with the Rangers supporters.

Who's not being honest?

"After all that the club and the fans have gone through, the supporters, above all, deserve the truth and should not have to listen to stories trying to sugar-coat the possible departure of players from the club.

They deserve all they get if they want to leave, is that it? They are turncoats traitors?

"The players were magnificent last season and made great sacrifices and that will never be forgotten.

Unless they leave, then Hell mend them.

[down-the-slope]

"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective. - McCoist



Oh really! This will be fun to watch unfolding .... :greengrin

It will when they are due paid.............and their new employer does not even have a Bank...:whistle:

[jgl07]

It will when they are due paid.............and their new employer does not even have a Bank...:whistle:

They will probably blame it on the Nat West/RBS meltdown.

[Jim44]

Over on Samaritans.com it would appear that they think demotion to the 1st Div. is a done deal. They even consider themselves to be in a position of strength in a negotiating situation vis a vis the Daily Record report on the 'secret meeting'. Maybe they didn't hear today's Sportsound where an SFL chairman reckoned they probably wouldn't get the 75% vote from SFL clubs.

[jgl07]

Over on Samaritans.com it would appear that they think demotion to the 1st Div. is a done deal. They even consider themselves to be in a position of strength in a negotiating situation vis a vis the Daily Record report on the 'secret meeting'. Maybe they didn't hear today's Sportsound where an SFL chairman reckoned they probably wouldn't get the 75% vote from SFL clubs.

The same people were telling us a few weeks back that the Blue Knights would take over Rangers and that HMRC and Ticketus were happy to go along with a CVA.

[frazeHFC]

Not read through this to find out, but some huns saying they might be going to Divison 1 instead? Also there will be a 'Glasgow Cup'? Again it's just all about the television money, what about the division 1 teams who have a chance at promotion!? I don't believe it but it's what i have heard. Getting really tired of hearing all this rubbish, just want them gone. Really not in the mood for Scottish football at all at the moment, it's never about the actual football.

[Jim44]

I know I shouldn't go there but some of the content on Kerrydale Street just now is priceless. Dicussing Jim Traynor:

where is Traynor btw?

haven't heard his jowls flapping on the radio recently.

He's under a duvet, in a darkened room, in his rainjurs jammies.
Hugging his teddy bears teddy bear.
Surrounded by tear stained pictures of Moonbeams unfurling the league flag.
A dvd of the 9in a row on constant playback on the telly. A big jobby in his jammie bottoms. The only thing offering warmth.
Sobbing softly to himself like a wounded animal whilst mumbling,"lies, its all lies".
Deep down he knows the game is up.

No more succulent lamb or fine reds for the bold James.

Awful sad. :faf:

[Bighoose]

Add a "No To Newco" to your Twitter or Facebook profile here - http://twibbon.com/cause/Scotland-says-NO-to-Newco-2/Join

[Jim44]

Could Motherwell do a U Turn? . Here (http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/motherwell/107668-motherwell-board-says-loss-of-rangers-could-put-well-into-administration/)

[jgl07]

It appears that Secvo 5088 will have to pick a new name distict fom Rangers FC if they ever manage to find a League that will have them.

Darlington are currently considering a new name:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18557300

[snooky]

It appears that Secvo 5088 will have to pick a new name distict fom Rangers FC if they ever manage to find a League that will have them.

Darlington are currently considering a new name:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18557300

Can't be that difficult to pick a new name.

Darlington Town/City? (Simples)
Darlington Phoenix? (Rising from the ashes)
Darlington Tuesday? (a-la Sheff Wed.)
Darlington Club 12? ...........etc

[Spike Mandela]

An unholy mess......

http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/

[joe breezy]

It appears that Secvo 5088 will have to pick a new name distict fom Rangers FC if they ever manage to find a League that will have them.

Darlington are currently considering a new name:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18557300

Govan Dodgers is my favourite

[grunt]

"The transfer of contracts has already happened and the club's clear legal advice is that players' purported objection is ineffective. - McCoist I think it was Green wot said that.

[jgl07]

An unholy mess......

http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/

It makes things clear that the purchase of the assets of Rangers FC by Sevco 5088 is being funded by the season ticket purchasers. Why else is season ticket money going into the Oldco's bank account? This cash can only be accessed by Duff and Phelps (to pay their fee) and creditors.

All very murky indeed.

[Paisley Hibby]

Govan Dodgers is my favourite

I prefer the Govan Steelers :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Would anyone take Aluko at Easter Road?

[Baldy Foghorn]

Would anyone take Aluko at Easter Road?

Decent player, suspect wages would be a tad high, for us to consider him.....

[Lang Toun Hibs]

Would anyone take Aluko at Easter Road?

Sure, there are usually plenty of spare seats around, shouldn't be too hard to get him a ticket to watch!

[Offside Trap]

Latest from Paul McConville regards the TUPE position and the bizarre stakeholder management strategy from Green/Sally. Completely on the money.

http://t.co/oUb3y2Fw

[SteveHFC]

ahead of the big vote everyone except rangers has a meeting

doncaster is there up to his usual tricks

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1722442_o.gif


he looks for support in the teams who havent announced yet
he asks ICT

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/254/517/a70.gif

he asks motherwell

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-w1ldTj_L3ts/Te890YtGqgI/AAAAAAAAB3A/sy1RP1rA4p0/s1600/thumbs-down-gif.jpg

he asks hearts to reconsider

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/85420_o.gif

[Lang Toun Hibs]

Can't be that difficult to pick a new name.

Darlington Town/City? (Simples)
Darlington Phoenix? (Rising from the ashes)
Darlington Tuesday? (a-la Sheff Wed.)
Darlington Club 12? ...........etc

Darlington County (Bruce Springsteen)?!

[s.a.m]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSportSFA, SPL and SFL confirm talks have taken place re. league reconstruction. Consultation with all clubs 2 now take place

[HFC 0-7]

If the spl, sfa etc re structure to allow angers into anything but the bottom league it just proves that the authorities are corrupt. They wouldn't re write rules, re structure leagues if this was any other club. Rangers should be kicked out and made to apply to the sfl. The sfl should then follow all their rules and weigh up the application against all others. Allowing rangers to go into division 1 / spl2 is only slightly better than them being voted into the spl, but still very wrong!

[Hibernia&Alba]

The predictable self-pity of the Huns is beneath contempt. How dare they suggest in the media and on fans forums they are being victimised because they're the 'pyoor deid brilliant Gers an rat'.

Have they forgotten Livingston's fate or that of Dundee? Those clubs weren't liquidated yet were hammered. What the Rangers fans mean is that they should be above the law and that any attempt to sanction them for their plight is merely vindictiveness driven by envy. Erm, no, it's because the arrogance they displayed for the rules in the past amounted to gross criminality and cheating, and clearly their arrogance remains.

[Brando7]

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/2823858

Aberdeen fan votes 82.7% n oto newco

[McD]

It was in one of the morning rags,maybe 3 or 4 days before the statement about Sky not walking away from the SPL,the guy said something like" While we would consider a one Div.demotion as maybe agreeable,it is doubtful if we would agree to an absence of 3yrs" I would be very surprised if Sky and Spl had not held exploratory talks regarding the situation.

Sounds very much like the daily record story which sky have rubbished completely, not to mention why would they give such a groundbreaking story to a rival.

I have no doubts sky are keeping a close eye on things, but active involvement? I'd be very surprised at that. A company that turned a profit of circa 1 billion pounds last year, very successfully run, just signed a deal to pay multiple billions to the EPL, won't be bending over backwards for a deal which is worth 80 million outlay, and hasn't even been signed yet.

[Jim44]

I thought Alex Thomson had been a bit quiet recently, but lo and behold he's back with THIS (http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/detox-rangers-brand/1993) Whether the neandertals listen is another question.

[snooky]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSportSFA, SPL and SFL confirm talks have taken place re. league reconstruction. Consultation with all clubs 2 now take place

:greengrin

(I trust that wasn't a typo)

[NAE NOOKIE]

I have always looked on this situation as a Golden chance for the non OF clubs to restore some financial parity to the Scottish game. Its also a chance to get rid of the rediculous notions that ...... A ) We need the OF to survive and ..... B ) We cant have a bigger league.

This is what we should be aiming for:

A 14 or 16 club SPL with play offs ....... 3 Up 3 down.

A fair voting system which negates forever the notion that ANY club ( or two clubs ) can dictate to the rest.

An even distribution of TV money ... the TV deals are not negotiated by the OF the are negotaited by the SPL for the SPL.

If we get that I wont give a rats ass where the newco end up ... As long as its not the SPL. A change to a bigger league will also give Falkirk etc a fair crack at promotion even with a newco in the 1st division.

The great Italian match fixing scandal in the middle of the last decade ended with the following sanctions:

JUVENTUS ..... Relegated to the second division, deducted 30 points for the following season and stripped of 2 titles.

FOIRENTINA ... Relegated to the second division and deducted 12 points for the following season.

LAZIO ..... Relegated to the second division and deducted 7 points for the following season.

A.C. MILAN .. Deducted 44 points for the current season and 15 for the following season.

The Juventus punishment would be the one to hand out to newco rangers, if relegation to div 3 isnt on the table. I for one would be more than happy with that.

But reading some of the posts on here, it appears we have now moved from 'we must punish rangers' to 'we must get rid of rangers, in any form' with some folk saying ( or at least it appears that way ) that they wont be back to Scottish football if they are allowed to survive.

Hell .... nobody hates the current buns more than me ... but extinction, to the extent that even a newco cant be allowed to exist, so that I can hate them all over again ..... sorry, not for me.

[Easter Road X1]

Kevin Kyle on sportsound just now, he's a fanny. :rolleyes:

I like a fanny
:flag:

[HFC 0-7]

I have always looked on this situation as a Golden chance for the non OF clubs to restore some financial parity to the Scottish game. Its also a chance to get rid of the rediculous notions that ...... A ) We need the OF to survive and ..... B ) We cant have a bigger league.

This is what we should be aiming for:

A 14 or 16 club SPL with play offs ....... 3 Up 3 down.

A fair voting system which negates forever the notion that ANY club ( or two clubs ) can dictate to the rest.

An even distribution of TV money ... the TV deals are not negotiated by the OF the are negotaited by the SPL for the SPL.

If we get that I wont give a rats ass where the newco end up ... As long as its not the SPL. A change to a bigger league will also give Falkirk etc a fair crack at promotion even with a newco in the 1st division.

The great Italian match fixing scandal in the middle of the last decade ended with the following sanctions:

JUVENTUS ..... Relegated to the second division, deducted 30 points for the following season and stripped of 2 titles.

FOIRENTINA ... Relegated to the second division and deducted 12 points for the following season.

LAZIO ..... Relegated to the second division and deducted 7 points for the following season.

A.C. MILAN .. Deducted 44 points for the current season and 15 for the following season.

The Juventus punishment would be the one to hand out to newco rangers, if relegation to div 3 isnt on the table. I for one would be more than happy with that.

But reading some of the posts on here, it appears we have now moved from 'we must punish rangers' to 'we must get rid of rangers, in any form' with some folk saying ( or at least it appears that way ) that they wont be back to Scottish football if they are allowed to survive.

Hell .... nobody hates the current buns more than me ... but extinction, to the extent that even a newco cant be allowed to exist, so that I can hate them all over again ..... sorry, not for me.


Its not all about wanting them extinct, it's about the authorities following their own rules and not changing them to suit one club. Would this happen if it were hibs? I don't think so. The situation as it stands is a mess, and there is still more to come. Right now it seems the authorities are looking at ways to get round their own rules, to lessen the punishment, and in the end there could be more revelations about how rangers have cheated their way to success.

[carnoustiehibee]

Add a "No To Newco" to your Twitter or Facebook profile here - http://twibbon.com/cause/Scotland-says-NO-to-Newco-2/Join

I added this to Facebook and a hun asked "why?" Haha

Do I really have to answer that!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Its not all about wanting them extinct, it's about the authorities following their own rules and not changing them to suit one club. Would this happen if it were hibs? I don't think so. The situation as it stands is a mess, and there is still more to come. Right now it seems the authorities are looking at ways to get round their own rules, to lessen the punishment, and in the end there could be more revelations about how rangers have cheated their way to success.

I agree with you to an extent. But it looks now like a lot of clubs are prepared to do what for them was unthinkable a few weeks ago and for many of them it will be a big sacrifice. As I said .. I could care less where the newco start next season .. if its the 3rd division then great.

If its the 1st division, but we get the other changes we want, then thats a compromise I for one can live with.

But for some folk even the 3rd division doesnt appear to be good enough and they are talking about chucking it. IMO thats going too far.

[joe breezy]

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/2823858

Aberdeen fan votes 82.7% n oto newco

17.3% hun infiltrators

[VickMackie]

Where's the info about Aluko?

Rangers should be in the 3rd division. They shouldn't get put into the first or have reconstruction to let them slither in.

If leagues are increased etc it should be clubs being moved up. Not slotted in.

[StevieC]

If its the 1st division, but we get the other changes we want, then thats a compromise I for one can live with.

Why does there need to be a compromise?????

:confused:

[jgl07]

Why does there need to be a compromise?????

:confused:

I don't know? There is a compromise between banning them for one year and banning them 'sine die'!

[northgreen24]

Why does there need to be a compromise?????

:confused:

I totally agree any reform for the better of scottish football will be able to happen now the biggoted brother cant veto everything but many are now saying that if we ge tthe changes then it will be ok for "the rangers" to start in div1.

1. no the bloody shouldnt as no one else would be allowed
2 you cant have a little sporting integrity you either follow the current rules or you dont

[GreenCastle]

I agree with you to an extent. But it looks now like a lot of clubs are prepared to do what for them was unthinkable a few weeks ago and for many of them it will be a big sacrifice. As I said .. I could care less where the newco start next season .. if its the 3rd division then great.

If its the 1st division, but we get the other changes we want, then thats a compromise I for one can live with.

But for some folk even the 3rd division doesnt appear to be good enough and they are talking about chucking it. IMO thats going too far.

Compromise ? Explain ?

It's 3rd Division minimum - no compromise there for the cheats.

The league restructuring is a side topic that just happens to be talked about at the same time all this mess with newco is unfolding and damaging the game in Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

I dont mind compromise as long as its a new company applying to join the SFL, and any new company/team has to apply to join at the bottom.

Just follow the ****in rules you useless bunch of pricks.

[ekhibee]

Would anyone take Aluko at Easter Road?

yes, I would have taken him before he was at Rangers, and the same now, he seems a lot more consistent than he was at Aberdeen now too. But wages will probably rule out any move for us to get him.

[frazeHFC]

I hate how the huns are saying they need to stay because Scottish football needs the money, saying its all about the money. It shouldn't be, if Scottish football was just about teams getting money, then what would be the point. It's about the traditional game of FOOTBALL!

Doing my head in, dunno why i am letting it get to me. Please just let them die!

[Aldo]

3rd Div fur Newco at the very least. They would still have go be accepted/voted in. If they were to be put in DIV 1 the Livi/Dundee will take legal action against the SFL re the situation.

Get them tae ****. Hate the bigoted ****ers

[The Harp Awakes]

Compromise ? Explain ?

It's 3rd Division minimum - no compromise there for the cheats.
The league restructuring is a side topic that just happens to be talked about at the same time all this mess with newco is unfolding and damaging the game in Scotland.

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:

[blackpoolhibs]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:

Which we all know is complete nonsense, they are drawn against these clubs most seasons in the cup.

[Jim44]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:

But how do they manage to place them there within established rules and procedures?

[Mon Dieu4]

Surely since the rule book states this can't be done then all it would take is someone like Falkirk to take it to court ala Rangers transfer ban and it all goes belly up

[GordonHFC]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:


How come these same clubs manage perfectly well when it's a cup game ?

[The Harp Awakes]

Which we all know is complete nonsense, they are drawn against these clubs most seasons in the cup.

Totally agree.

I think the campaign for supporters of the other 11 SPL clubs should now shift from 'No to Rangers in the SPL' to 'Rangers to the 3rd Division'.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Why does there need to be a compromise?????

:confused:

I mean a compromise as far as I am concerned. I dont really care if the new rangers end up in the 3rd division or the highland league or the Glasgow pub league.

But I as a Scottish football fan could live with it if they ended up in division 1 with hopefully a hefty points deduction. My main concern is to see the changes we have all wanted for years now take place.

Nobody ( least of all me ) is under any illusion that the things being talked about now by the SFA / SPL would have just been a pipe dream, to me thats what counts now .. just so long a rangers do get punished.

[Geo_1875]

Surely the SPL can't tell the SFL where RFC should play next season. They can only eject them from the SPL.

[Jim44]

How come these same clubs manage perfectly well when it's a cup game ?

It just means every away game has to be all-ticket.

[jgl07]

It just means every away game has to be all-ticket.

Even Queens Park?

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

I've thought from the start that rangers in the third would allow them to apologise to every club in Scottish football on the way up and bring money to each club in turn.... However I have in my desk a sealed brown envelope containing an attractive proposal from Forres mechanics ....:-)

[FranckSuzy]

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[Cabbage East]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:


Utter slavers.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Rangers will have people in right places to ensure they aren't hammered too much.

Folks like Jim McInally doing a grand job of trying to save the Huns from proper punishment in the tabloid press. What is it these ex-footballler's can't see that we can all see? FFS!

[jgl07]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:

An SPL Chairman would have no say in the matter. The SPL have missed the chance to relegate Rangers.

Now they can only expell them from the SPL. It is then a matter for the SFL and the SFA to sort out.

We all know that most SPL Chairmen would have loved to keep Rangers but the issue has been forced by the supporters.

I suspect that there is going to be a similar reaction in Division One. Partick Thistle have already threatened a boycott if Rangers are admitted. Falkirk have come out against. We already know John Yorkston's views.

In any event Division One club have no financial interest in getting Rangers back to the SPL in one year. The top teams will see Rangers as blocking the path to promotion for themselves. The bottom teams will see their prospects of avoiding relegation diminish since Aidrie United will not be promoted.

The Second and Third Division teams will probably want a share of the action so would hardly vote to let Rangers by-pass their Divisions.

A two-thirds (or three-quarters) majority will be required.

Not a hope that this will happen. More wishful thinking from the forces of darkness.

[Spike Mandela]

Surely the SPL can't tell the SFL where RFC should play next season. They can only eject them from the SPL.

If the SFA, the SPL and the SFL have held a meeting for over 6 hours yesterday you can bet your bottom dollar that some backroom deals have been getting done, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours".

All the authorities need to do now is bribe enough clubs in to accepting it.

[Spike Mandela]

Rangers will have people in right places to ensure they aren't hammered too much.

Folks like Jim McInally doing a grand job of trying to save the Huns from proper punishment in the tabloid press. What is it these ex-footballler's can't see that we can all see? FFS!

££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

[Hibernia&Alba]

An SPL Chairman would have no say in the matter. The SPL have missed the chance to relegate Rangers.

Now they can only expell them from the SPL. It is then a matter for the SFL and the SFA to sort out.

We all know that most SPL Chairmen would have loved to keep Rangers but the issue has been forced by the supporters.

I suspect that there is going to be a similar reaction in Division One. Partick Thistle have already threatened a boycott if Rangers are admitted. Falkirk have come out against. We already know John Yorkston's views.

In any event Division One club have no financial interest in getting Rangers back to the SPL in one year. The top teams will see Rangers as blocking the path to promotion for themselves. The bottom teams will see their prospects of avoiding relegation diminish since Aidrie United will not be promoted.

The Second and Third Division teams will probably want a share of the action so would hardly vote to let Rangers by-pass their Divisions.

A two-thirds (or three-quarters) majority will be required.

Not a hope that this will happen. More wishful thinking from the forces of darkness.

Correct. Sensible reasoning. Their squirming for any kind of sanction that doesn't result in SFL 3 is pathetic. They will try every excuse and tactic in the book.......oh, but if it were any other club their tune would be different.

[blackpoolhibs]

What happens if Rangers have a terrible season in division 1, and finished bottom of the league? Would there be another restructuring of that league to keep them up?:confused:

[Jim44]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:

A ballpark figure for hun away supporters at an SPL match is, say, 4 to 5 thousand. The average ground capacity of SFL Div 3 grounds is around 3 to 4 thousand (some are bigger). These clubs will rarely get more than 1000 turning up. That means that an allocation of around 2.5 thousand tickets to the huns(around half they would get for an SPL game) could be made. Given that the number of huns travelling to these grounds will decrease, this seems a reasonable allocation to me. It is far from perfect but viable. That is off the top of my head and, I'm sure, could be challenged but I don't think it's way off the mark. Twice a year they would have to get their act together for policing and stewarding but it's hardly rocket science.

[GreenCastle]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:

If you really met a chairman and his view is correct - Scottish Football will have dug it's own grave and they will bring a slow death to the domestic game up here during the near future.

The way forward -

Announce re-structuring - All under the Scottish Premier Football League (SPFL)

SPL 1 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season (get rid of split!!)

SPL 2 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season

SPL 3 - 14 / 16 teams - play each other twice a season ( teams from around the country enter which have the correct and proper facilities).

Pyramid system below that - Regionalised - playoff type system to get into SPL 3 if a team wants to go that way.

[The Harp Awakes]

If the SFA, the SPL and the SFL have held a meeting for over 6 hours yesterday you can bet your bottom dollar that some backroom deals have been getting done, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours".

All the authorities need to do now is bribe enough clubs in to accepting it.

The SFL are the stumbling block as other posters have suggested but if the SFA, SPL and Sky TV want Rangers in Div 1 then it may well happen. A redistribution of TV cash amongst all SFL clubs may be the bargaining chip.

[jgl07]

What happens if Rangers have a terrible season in division 1, and finished bottom of the league? Would there be another restructuring of that league to keep them up?:confused:

Well if the transfer embargo is upheld and mot of their stars walk, it is not impossible.

[Liberal Hibby]

Even Queens Park?

They said every away game...:wink:

[The Harp Awakes]

If you really met a chairman and his view is correct - Scottish Football will have dug it's own grave and they will bring a slow death to the domestic game up here during the near future.The way forward -

Announce re-structuring - All under the Scottish Premier Football League (SPFL)

SPL 1 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season (get rid of split!!)

SPL 2 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season

SPL 3 - 14 / 16 teams - play each other twice a season ( teams from around the country enter which have the correct and proper facilities).

Pyramid system below that - Regionalised - playoff type system to get into SPL 3 if a team wants to go that way.

Rightly or wrongly, the SFA/SPL view may be that if Rangers are out of the SPL for 3 years Scottish football is sunk which is maybe why they are so desperate to get them into Div 1.

[GreenCastle]

Rightly or wrongly, the SFA/SPL view may be that if Rangers are out of the SPL for 3 years Scottish football is sunk which is maybe why they are so desperate to get them into Div 1.

Well this is the problem - like many of the media myths being published daily. The chances are the SPL will grow with closer and more fair competition.

Why will it sink ? Money ? This is the other problem with the game in Scotland - so reliant on the money. Live within the your means and you won't get another Rangers situation. The game here is controlled too much by the money people and if they want to re-grow the product they should think more about the fans and make it value for money to attend games and not expect people to pay EPL prices for a far inferior product.

Remember it's the backlash the SFA / SPL should be worried about as the majority of local Scottish clubs are on the edge right now - one bad move next and it's curtains - a fair punishment to Rangers and at least the football authorities have acted correctly and we can move on restructuring the leagues to make them competitive and fair both on and off the pitch (if we get any money from sponsors).

[Halifaxhibby]

Nearly a million posts on this thread now, as far as i'm concerned i only care about the hibs, rangers cheated their way to many titles and now they've been caught out, anyone in the sfa or ex players who can't get a real job and talk drivel in our dreadfully biased press for a few sheckles are just as much to blame for the downfall of scottish football. A nation of jokers!! embarrassing as it may be we all know it. This is a great opportunity to redress the balance between business and football, how dare the powers at be threaten clubs outside the OF with scaremongering regarding tv deals, television has nearly killed our game!!!!. I buy a season ticket every year yet give up a lot of it due to re-scheduling because we roll over for telly rights.
Our once great game is not only a laughing stock but solely reliant on **** dictating tv schedules.

GOODBYE RFC YOUR TIIME IS OVER
BRING BACK 3PM SATURDAY KICK OFF
BRING THROUGH THE YOUTH
WE ARE ALREADY A LAUGHING STOCK SO FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES HAVE TO BE MADE THROUGHOUT SCOTLAND.
FOOTBALL IS MASSIVE IN SCOTLAND, AS A SPORT FIRST, THEN A BUSINESS.


F MONEY
F PUNDITS
F MEDIA
OH, AND FTHMFC

A NATION OF JUST OVER 5 MILLION WE HAVE MORE EXPERTS ON THE GAME THAN SOME COUNTRIES 10 TIMES OUR SIZE!!!!

ALAN HANSEN GTF!

GOOD LUCK PAT, I'LL BE THERE!!!

:pfgwa

[Hibbyradge]

Nearly a million posts on this thread now,

I'm glad you're not my accountant! :wink:

[Halifaxhibby]

i'm glad you're not my accountant! :wink:


eh? Over 900,000 posts?

[degenerated]

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:rolleyes:

If they feel that division 3 can't cope with them they should be taking cognisance of that fact when they are inviting applications for the vacant spot. That should mean that they vote someone in that the infrastructure can cope with, not just invent some rule to benefit the Huns and ensure they can keep their own snouts in the trough into the bargain.
This proposed fudge will have the same detrimental effect on the perception of integrity, or lack of, in Scottish football and probably ensure that many punters, myself included, are lost to the game.

[jgl07]

eh? Over 900,000 posts?

This is post number 13,292

[fat freddy]

eh? Over 900,000 posts?

900,000 views....13,000 replies...still pretty good...the entire thread should be published once its all over.

[Halifaxhibby]

This is post number 13,292

sorry my mistake,but you get my drift!!

wish i had the time to pick over every post(is that right?) effing shattered, working 12 hours and 2 kids to put to bed.

thank you mr pedant.

[Hibbyradge]

eh? Over 900,000 posts?

Only 13500 according to my PC. :confused:

[Jones28]

If Rangers end up in the 3rd Division I can't see any of their first team staying. So they will have to start over from the beggining with young players from the lower age groups - that's if they can't get away as well though. If thats the case I can't see them getting promoted 3 seasons in a row. So they would have a good 4-5 seasons in lower leagues, plus all these tranfers embargos and bans from Europe too.

Would that be punishment enough?

OBVIOUSLY I want them to die and never come back :wink:

Just wanting to gauge how much punishment my fellow .netters feel is enough. :aok:

[TamHibs]

Looks like it'll be 1st Division if anything for them!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/23/rangers-in-crisis-ibrox-club-set-to-be-given-division-one-lifeline-after-talks-between-league-bosses-86908-23899716/

[snooky]

"Clubs across the country will now get the chance to give historic plans the green light."

Typical weighted DR reporting.
Surely they should have said "Clubs across the country will now get the chance to give historic plans a green or red light?"

It's all this psychological/subliminal stuff that really gets to me. They are trying to egg everybody into giving the answer they want to hear. :grr:
Every one of these little innuendos pushes me further away from the rigged setup that is Scottish Football.


We would all be as well watching re-runs of yon infamous Scotland v Estonia game. It was less one-sided.

[Dashing Bob S]

"Clubs across the country will now get the chance to give historic plans the green light."

Typical weighted DR reporting.
Surely they should have said "Clubs across the country will now get the chance to give historic plans a green or red light?"

It's all this psychological/subliminal stuff that really gets to me. They are trying to egg everybody into giving the answer they want to hear. :grr:
Everyone of this little innuendos just pushes me further away from the rigged setup that is Scottish Football.


We would all be as well watching re-runs of yon infamous Scotland v Estonia game. It was less one-sided.

The sole reason the Record still exists is so that dim trolls who follow the OF can be duped into spouting senseless ***** at each other. It has zero credibility. Some of the so-called spokespersons for Rangers should be less concerned about which division they'll be playing in, as which prison they'll be serving their forthcoming sentences in.

[Stevie Reid]

The sole reason the Record still exists is so that dim trolls who follow the OF can be duped into spouting senseless ***** at each other. It has zero credibility. Some of the so-called spokespersons for Rangers should be less concerned about which division they'll be playing in, as which prison they'll be serving their forthcoming sentences in.

Possibly the most succinct post I've ever read on this forum, Bob.

[matty_f]

Looks like it'll be 1st Division if anything for them!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/23/rangers-in-crisis-ibrox-club-set-to-be-given-division-one-lifeline-after-talks-between-league-bosses-86908-23899716/

So the SPL have to fund the compensation to the first division clubs to let Sevco in?? Away and throw s**** at yersels!! Just get Sevco tae **** and be done with it.

[1875godsgift]

Looks like it'll be 1st Division if anything for them!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/23/rangers-in-crisis-ibrox-club-set-to-be-given-division-one-lifeline-after-talks-between-league-bosses-86908-23899716/

If this is the way forward for Scottish football then count me out! My money and my interest ( and my family's ) will be going elsewhere.
People who cheat should either be contrite and admit their transgressions or be battered into submission.
If the club that used to be called rangers showed some form of remorse then my opinion would, perhaps, change.
As it stands, I hope the cheating, repugnant, bigoted, arrogant and vile sectarian football club that was rangers re-emerges as
" The pink fluffy cloud football co. who love everybody and are nice to animals "




In division 3

[The Green Goblin]

So the SPL have to fund the compensation to the first division clubs to let Sevco in?? Away and throw s**** at yersels!! Just get Sevco tae **** and be done with it.

Indeed. 1 year from now, newco club come back up to the SPL, with no debts and their assets intact....after well over a decade of cheating, the scale of which is beyond imagining plus using tax money to pay players they couldn't normally afford. A just sanction that fits the crime? I don't think so.

[AmericanHib]

Excellent point. You would expect a sincere mea culpa from someone at Rangers to the supporters of other clubs. What I have seen from the higher-ups at Rangers are the 3 D's: Delay, Deny, & Defend.


If this is the way forward for Scottish football then count me out! My money and my interest ( and my family's ) will be going elsewhere.
People who cheat should either be contrite and admit their transgressions or be battered into submission.
If the club that used to be called rangers showed some form of remorse then my opinion would, perhaps, change.
As it stands, I hope the cheating, repugnant, bigoted, arrogant and vile sectarian football club that was rangers re-emerges as
" The pink fluffy cloud football co. who love everybody and are nice to animals "




In division 3

[Onion]

Looks like it'll be 1st Division if anything for them!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/23/rangers-in-crisis-ibrox-club-set-to-be-given-division-one-lifeline-after-talks-between-league-bosses-86908-23899716/

So, what the DR is saying that in just a few hours of chat they have totally restructured Scottish Football and will execute these plans within 6 weeks - laughable:greengrin

For what they've done, a drop of one league for 1 year is not a punishment, its a holiday :roll eyes:

If the SFA/SPL are drumming up some kind of soft, escape route for these crooks, then the SPL is dead. The fact that they are even TALKING about this is disgraceful, and "tantamount" to corroboration.

[Spike Mandela]

So, what the DR is saying that in just a few hours of chat they have totally restructured Scottish Football and will execute these plans within 6 weeks - laughable:greengrin

For what they've done, a drop of one league for 1 year is not a punishment, its a holiday :roll eyes:

If the SFA/SPL are drumming up some kind of soft, escape route for these crooks, then the SPL is dead. The fact that they are even TALKING about this is disgraceful, and "tantamount" to corroboration.

Some very worrying and disturbing talk of subverting the independant appellate tibunal in this article, if true Scottish football truly is defunct........

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/

[fit o' the walk]

" RAPIST GETS ONE YEAR SENTENCE,AFTER CONTINUOUS YEARS OF RAPE" ...........This should be the headlines if they get a one year slap on the wrist demotion.They have raped Scottish football for all these years...criminal!! :confused:

[Springbank]

That Celtic quick news link shows up that the hooped cheek of the old firm bottom is just as selfish as the blue cheek.

The sport of football in Scotland would be better off, more competitive, and would produce better footballers without them.

That link shows the of don't get it

[Cabbage East]

Can everyone calm down and stop taking that Daily Record story as fact? It's the Daily Record ffs, there are no quotes, its utter nonsense and so far fetched it really doesn't deserve to be given any credence.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Anyone half decent fancy knocking up a coffin with Scottish football R.I.P? On it with the nailheads depicting the main culprits - the football authorities and OF apologist journos?

[stokesmessiah]

Can everyone calm down and stop taking that Daily Record story as fact? It's the Daily Record ffs, there are no quotes, its utter nonsense and so far fetched it really doesn't deserve to be given any credence.


Anyone half decent fancy knocking up a coffin with Scottish football R.I.P? On it with the nailheads depicting the main culprits - the football authorities and OF apologist journos?

I love that the next post after the can everyone calm down is quite calm and by no means dramatic.

[Jack]

So, what the DR is saying that in just a few hours of chat they have totally restructured Scottish Football and will execute these plans within 6 weeks

TBF Rod explained this league reconstruction to a group of supporters at the time of the 10 team league idea, other sizes were also mentioned. So while the idea has been fully considered its still odd its resurfaced this weekend follow following them being effectively barred from the SPL.

[greenginger]

I take these proposed alterations will have to be put to a General Meeting of the SPL ( 21 days notice ) and as a special resolution covering distribution of commercial revenues ) must be passed by 90 % of the Clubs.

Not a chance, I hope. :agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

" RAPIST GETS ONE YEAR SENTENCE,AFTER CONTINUOUS YEARS OF RAPE" ...........This should be the headlines if they get a one year slap on the wrist demotion.They have raped Scottish football for all these years...criminal!! :confused:

Not really correct, as the rapist still gets to rape, he just cant rape the better looking ones for a year.

[down-the-slope]

Before everybody soils their clean :rolleyes: Sunday morning boxers...we have a publication which is slightly less reliable than polititians when it comes to 'reporting' facts...that exists on sales to a narrow 'readership' that has little positive to say right now about either of them (transfers etc) so in the absence of that a little bit of hyperbole over a few thin stories with little quotes is par for the course...

The story involves the SFA / SPL / SFL who have proved that their own self existence is paramount, and have demonstrated the ability to move change to the game forward at a pace that would shame a constipated snail........

The idea that they could agree anything let alone instigate it in the timescales even without the fact that they are membership organisations which require the vote of their memberships to make anything more than basic changes......


Much much more interesting is how with a week to go until the end of June when a lot of contracts end, and SEVCO 5088 - without a bank willing to take them on - with no income can meet its wage bill to the players it is trying to brow beat into moving to it....

[Onion]

TBF Rod explained this league reconstruction to a group of supporters at the time of the 10 team league idea, other sizes were also mentioned. So while the idea has been fully considered its still odd its resurfaced this weekend follow following them being effectively barred from the SPL.

I'm not against reconstruction, just hate the unseemly haste to get it sorted simply for the Huns benefit. It is disgusting and makes me want to puke. I'd be much more in favour of an 2 tier SPL from season 2013/14 allowing enough time to implement properly, allow clubs to prepare properly, and have a rule that promotion and entry to the SPL requires 3 years trading accounts :wink: Now that would be a fit and proper way to proceed.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not against reconstruction, just hate the unseemly haste to get it sorted simply for the Huns benefit. It is disgusting and makes me want to puke. I'd be much more in favour of an 2 tier SPL from season 2013/14 allowing enough time to implement properly, allow clubs to prepare properly, and have a rule that promotion and entry to the SPL requires 3 years trading accounts :wink: Now that would be a fit and proper way to proceed.

Exactly, this if it is to happen needs to be thought about a little more than 6 hours in a hastily arranged meeting, with only one agenda.

Apply the rules as they are now, let any newco thats looking to apply for entry into the SFL enter where every newco should enter. Then lets have proper debate over the course of the coming season, and bring together proper reconstruction that will take our game forward.

[ancienthibby]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/dont-take-away-my-title.17952798

[Jim44]

That Celtic quick news link shows up that the hooped cheek of the old firm bottom is just as selfish as the blue cheek.

The sport of football in Scotland would be better off, more competitive, and would produce better footballers without them.

That link shows the of don't get it

Exactly, their gripe has nothing to do with justice or sporting integrity. It's all about money and what's in it for them.

[snooky]

I'm not against reconstruction, just hate the unseemly haste to get it sorted simply for the Huns benefit. It is disgusting and makes me want to puke. I'd be much more in favour of an 2 tier SPL from season 2013/14 allowing enough time to implement properly, allow clubs to prepare properly, and have a rule that promotion and entry to the SPL requires 3 years trading accounts :wink: Now that would be a fit and proper way to proceed.

The SFA/SFL/SPL don't do "fit and proper" unless it suits their 'agenda'.

[StevieC]

That Celtic quick news link shows up that the hooped cheek of the old firm bottom is just as selfish as the blue cheek.

The sport of football in Scotland would be better off, more competitive, and would produce better footballers without them.

That link shows the of don't get it

I was just about to post exactly the same after reading it.

It shows that Celtic are just as greedy as their counterparts and have no interest in improving the Scottish game!

[cad]

Like many on here Ive read with great interest most of the posts even thrown my 10p in on occasion ,Ive found it fascinating to see other peoples take on NewCo`s predicament ,the frustration at Scottish footballs administrations failure to administrate ,some of the ways people have described these situations are classics ,"The guns loaded but nobody wants to pull the trigger " comes to mind, others stating sound argument's on the basis of rules applied to other clubs or rules put in place to combat the very situation NewCo/Rangers/Club12 find themselves in .

It all comes down to integrity and accountability for me , anything else manipulated to afford NewCo a quick return because of their financial clout will maybe see thousands walk away ,the vote coming up will determine Scottish footballs future ,going by certain protagonists in the media it changes day to day, the propaganda they spout which NewCo supporters feast on ,has been dismissed as utter nonsense by the rest of Scotlands football fans after a few journalists void of taking the Huns pieces of silver picked up on the story and had a delve into the underworld of RFC finances .
Thanks to Channel 4 and the Beeb they rattled Mr Moonbeams and C W`s cages the things that fell out are still being investigated by HMRC , and
The Serious Crime Squad and they will be for some time , Duff & Duffer theyre in all sorts , Charlie Greene is definitely not everybody's darling,but he is the only show in town ,Walt brought the cardigan out briefly but thought better of it ,TBK are still kicking around , Clarity McCoists still wanting clarity and the NewCo supporters well thats another story.
Ive been on FF and RM more than a few times, more than a Hibs supporter should be TBH, all just to get both sides of this dilema see how the other half thinks sort of thing ,sadly there in lies the problem, they dont think ,thinking isnt there strong point , it comes down to well read for yourself ,a more obnoxious self centered dont give a toss about anyone bigoted bunch of pricks to every put a finger on a keyboard,I know most people are not interested in them which I understand,but if there's anybody in any doubt about NewCo /Club12/ or The Govan Stealer's , take a look at these posts from FF and RM and tell me a year out would be a sufficient punishment only for this lot to return debt free spouting the usual pash ,its Div3 at the very least IMO.




GGTTH:flag:



http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223720 .......http://forum.followfollow.com/showthread.php?t=880554

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223706........ http://forum.followfollow.com/showthread.php?t=880485

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223636........ http://forum.followfollow.com/showthread.php?t=880552




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[grunt]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/dont-take-away-my-title.17952798


The proposed solution whereby the SPL and SFL merge, and Rangers end up in the second tier of the Scottish game, is a mechanism to try to keep everybody happy, because it could be the death knell of Scottish football if a newco Rangers are sent down to the Third Division.

I honestly don't know what to say...

[clerriehibs]

I honestly don't know what to say...

You don't need to say anything; apparently we'll all be happy.

Regan and Doncaster are nothing but administrators, and they're not even from Scotland. They have absolutely NO idea of how Scottish fans really feel about pandering to the cheats.

[Benny Brazil]

I honestly don't know what to say...

Just what I was about to post as well grunt.

[truehibernian]

I honestly don't know what to say...

I wonder if Billy sees the irony in him on the one hand fawning over the idea of Rangers in SPL2 in order to ' save Scottish football', then on the other hand stating his sheer enjoyment of travelling to East Fife to work with real honest guys in a lower league, whose board would no doubt benefit from a couple of visits a season from Rangers.......a club who have 'survived' in the Scottish football family for over 100 years.....no doubt by cutting their cloth accordingly and relying on real fans and a board putting their money into a club they love.

I think people like Dodds need to remember that ' Scottish football' extends beyond the SPL......it's four top divisions with each club having history, fans and owners who abide by the laws of the game and try and live within their means both financially and morally. Rangers have shamed the WHOLE of Scottish football Billy !

[MyJo]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/dont-take-away-my-title.17952798

He is a tool.

[Kojock]

If you really met a chairman and his view is correct - Scottish Football will have dug it's own grave and they will bring a slow death to the domestic game up here during the near future.

The way forward -

Announce re-structuring - All under the Scottish Premier Football League (SPFL)

SPL 1 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season (get rid of split!!)

SPL 2 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season

SPL 3 - 14 / 16 teams - play each other twice a season ( teams from around the country enter which have the correct and proper facilities).

Pyramid system below that - Regionalised - playoff type system to get into SPL 3 if a team wants to go that way.

If the SFA impliment the McLeish report it will be two leagues of ten.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/9291848.stm


A two-tier top flight with divisions of 10 would introduce a play-off system and spell the end for the current split, which sees the 12-team SPL divide in two for the final five fixtures.

"A Premier League of 14 teams which would be more in tune with what the fans and spectators have been asking for but which would run the risk of some serious financial difficulties and a reduction in the current financial distribution going to the clubs," wrote McLeish.

If anyone is interested here is the full two part report. Part one was issued April 2010 and part two December 2010

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/HenryMcLeishReviewofScottishFootball/Review%20Scottish%20Football%20Pt1FINAL%20220410.p df

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/HenryMcLeishReviewofScottishFootball/Review%20Scottish%20Football%20Pt2%20FINAL.pdf

[joe breezy]

I don't mind having an SPL 1 and SPL 2 and a Division 3, or whatever the 3 leagues would be called

As long as Sevco5088 start at the very bottom, ideally they should start outside of the existing set up, they should start in the juniors and work their way up through the pyramid system as AFC Wimbledon have in England

The problem is that people are looking at the restructuring to 'save' Sevco5088.

That is as unacceptable as allowing Sevco5088 into the SPL and fans from all clubs need to make this clear, as should the senior management of these clubs

[The_Todd]

The SFA\SFL\SPL just seem hellbent on alienating fans of every 41 member clubs just to help out the one member club. Are the supporters of these 41 clubs so insignificant to the sport that they can afford to lose most of them in one fell swoop? If this level of gerrymandering continues the only stadium which will have any fans in it on a Saturday afternoon will be Ibrox. Ironic considering they're the team which has been liquidated.

[Paisley Hibby]

The SFA\SFL\SPL just seem hellbent on alienating fans of every 41 member clubs just to help out the one member club. Are the supporters of these 41 clubs so insignificant to the sport that they can afford to lose most of them in one fell swoop? If this level of gerrymandering continues the only stadium which will have any fans in it on a Saturday afternoon will be Ibrox. Ironic considering they're the team which has been liquidated.

Well said that man. I´m in Madrid just now. From here what the SFA is trying to do looks even more absurd. Deckchairs and Titanic spring to mind.

[EuanH78]

Hasty league restructuring to 'Rescue' the huns er.. I mean Scottish football would probably kill the game in Scotland stone dead for generations. I was actually very angry when I read that record piece.

However, on reflection and I would need someone to confirm my suspicions here,

I think an 'emergency' summit of the 3 governing bodies would have been likely and correct to convene - I would probably dispute what the agenda was, there are no quotes in the article and I suspect the DR have just made up the content to fit with their Rescue package nonsense printed earlier in the week.

Changes to league structure would require member clubs vote I think and so the same mechanism that sees zombie huns refused entry to the SPL can be used to oppose any re-structuring for the Huns benefit.

If this report is accurate, which I highly doubt - The fans still have the power to insist on proper governance of the game if we want to exercise it. I am not convinced that this DR guff is anything other than pish, however.

[grunt]

Liam McLeod‏@BBCLiamMcLeodSteven Naismith and Steven Whittaker release statement saying they object to transferring their contracts to #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) newco

[BoltonHibee]

Liam McLeod‏@BBCLiamMcLeodSteven Naismith and Steven Whittaker release statement saying they object to transferring their contracts to #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) newco

Won't be attending training or any meetings, consider themselves free agents

[cad]

Liam McLeod‏@BBCLiamMcLeodSteven Naismith and Steven Whittaker release statement saying they object to transferring their contracts to #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) newco



Naismith is wanted by Everton I think , while Whittaker is being looked at buy Bolton ,its no a hard decision signing on fee +£20K / £30 K per week




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[joe breezy]

http://z5.ifrm.com/5902/57/0/e5032433/e5032433.gif

[blackpoolhibs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOoJ0e6hdU

Not strictly true now is it Ally? :giruy:

[Andy74]

Won't be attending training or any meetings, consider themselves free agents

Shame that.

[H18sry]

https://twitter.com/RonnieMacKay/status/216864051546951680/photo/1/large
https://twitter.com/RonnieMacKay/status/216863409008939008/photo/1/large

[whiskyhibby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOoJ0e6hdU

Not strictly true now is it Ally? :giruy:

That is a truly honking song and video"..........

[MyJo]

We don't do walking away...........we do skipping away without a care in the world looking forward to a hefty signing on fee when we move to English football.

[Seveno]

I doubt that there will be too many senior players left by Thursday.

At least there might be enough money to pay those that are left. But only a maybe !

[joe breezy]

hunmedia is worth a look at times like these...

"Gutted about Naismith but not surprised. Was hoping he would ride out the storm :("

http://z5.ifrm.com/5902/57/0/e5032433/e5032433.gif

[johnbc70]

Now watch the rest follow.

[joe breezy]

"I am so confused right now. Not sure whether to be raging or wishing them all luck. Probably partly both. How did this all go so horribly wrong?? Time to listen to a wee bit of Derry's Walls I think, NO SURRENDER."

http://z5.ifrm.com/5902/57/0/e5032433/e5032433.gif

[Offside Trap]

The interesting part will be Green's response to this.

He has previously issued a categoric statement stating that the players contracts have transferred (i.e. there is no opportunity for players to opt out), and that his position is underpinned by legal advice. Let's see if he pursues breach of contract then if his legal advice is so robust. Methinks Mr Green (and his Employment Lawyers if they exist) need to brush up on their TUPE Regulations....

[blackpoolhibs]

The interesting part will be Green's response to this.

He has previously issued a categoric statement stating that the players contracts have transferred (i.e. there is no opportunity for players to opt out), and that his position is underpinned by legal advice. Let's see if he pursues breach of contract then if his legal advice is so robust. Methinks Mr Green (and his Employment Lawyers if they exist) need to brush up on their TUPE Regulations....

:agree: He'd be throwing more good money after bad. :cb