Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Ozyhibby]

Judge says that just because he has dismissed commital does not mean he has 'acquitted' King


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge says he would advise Mr King to say nothing to the press until he hands down his full judgment


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asks if the Daily Record has a reporter in court? Is told they do not.


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[brog]

He brought the action... what makes you think he doesn't pay?

I would imagine a decision re costs will also be made tomorrow. I'd also be surprised if MA just walks away from this & I can't imagine he'll be overly pleased with his counsel's performance!

[Ozyhibby]

Court adjourns again until 10am tomorrow.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge says that just because he has dismissed commital does not mean he has 'acquitted' King


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I wonder if this means he has ruled out jail but may still fine him?


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[brog]

Judge says he gives Daily Record "nil points" for accuracy of report


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Surely not! Our award winning journos who break scoops about "off the radar wealth"! What could possibly be wrong there!

[Ozyhibby]

Dave King has been cleared on accusation of contempt. Whether he breached the "gagging order" is a matter which may come to trial in January


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge ended session by saying that it was a bit premature to report "Mr King has been vindicated"


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[JeMeSouviens]

Judge ended session by saying that it was a bit premature to report "Mr King has been vindicated"


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Interesting. Thanks for the updates. :aok:

I guess this moves JJ a peg or or 2 down from "interesting but unreliable" to "total unsubstantiated pish". :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting. Thanks for the updates. :aok:

I guess this moves JJ a peg or or 2 down from "interesting but unreliable" to "total unsubstantiated pish". :greengrin

That's 2 cases in a row he's called wrongly.

[Ozyhibby]

@stgriswalds Not committed to prison but not yet cleared of breaching confidentiality order.

We'll know more tomorrow


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[Ozyhibby]

Interesting. Thanks for the updates. :aok:

I guess this moves JJ a peg or or 2 down from "interesting but unreliable" to "total unsubstantiated pish". :greengrin

JJ is a windbag.
Mixed day for Phil Macgiollabhain. On one hand, it appears to be his story about the meeting that was the subject of today, so he must have got that correct, however, his story about Ashley tricking him into attending a meeting so that they could serve him with papers as he got of the train in Glasgow was shown to be nonsense. The SD lawyers admitted it was delivered to his address.


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[Treadstone]

That's 2 cases in a row he's called wrongly.

It's as though he makes it all up!

[AndyM_1875]

JJ is a windbag.
Mixed day for Phil Macgiollabhain. On one hand, it appears to be his story about the meeting that was the subject of today, so he must have got that correct, however, his story about Ashley tricking him into attending a meeting so that they could serve him with papers as he got of the train in Glasgow was shown to be nonsense. The SD lawyers admitted it was delivered to his address.


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The trouble with Phil is he relies on secondary sources and he makes a lot of stuff up.

He isn't there on the ground in Glasgow where the story is and he is incapable of being balanced and analytical.

[Ozyhibby]

So to sum up a, rather chaotic, day in court. Judge has rejected motion to jail Dave King but has not ruled if he breached injunction or not


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[Deansy]

Judge asks if the Daily Record has a reporter in court? Is told they do not.


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I just CANNOT believe the 'Rtard' sent no-one to stand beside their man, to support him in his time of need , to put an arm around him reassuring him that no matter what happened today, they would ALWAYS love and support him ??

Wonder what the judge will think when tomorrow's edition carries a full, word-for-word report of everything that happened today ?? (Another 'Exclusive' ??)

[CropleyWasGod]

So to sum up a, rather chaotic, day in court. Judge has rejected motion to jail Dave King but has not ruled if he breached injunction or not


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Cheers for all that, Oz. Your fingers must be beelin :)

Can I clarify one thing, cos I cba trawling through all your posts. Did you say that DK had been told not to talk to the media about today? Yet, he seems to have done exactly that.

[cabbageandribs1875]

King: "I've never witnessed a strong judge really virtually tearing someone apart the way he did today."


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aye dave, unlike the judge that allowed you to stay out of jail ya crooked tax-dodging immoral penniless creep

[Bostonhibby]

aye dave, unlike the judge that allowed you to stay out of jail ya crooked tax-dodging immoral creep
A really strong forthright judge might have called someone a glib and mendacious liar in open court.

[cabbageandribs1875]

A really strong forthright judge might have called someone a glib and mendacious liar in open court.


i respectfully agree

[Jim44]

It's as though he makes it all up!

I can't detect if that's surprise or sarcasm in your voice. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Cheers for all that, Oz. Your fingers must be beelin :)

Can I clarify one thing, cos I cba trawling through all your posts. Did you say that DK had been told not to talk to the media about today? Yet, he seems to have done exactly that.

Judge told him not to but he had already done so during the lunch break and appears to have spoken to Sky news since.


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[hibs0666]

Eh? £300K taken out of the New Huns' January budget. What's not to like?

A bizarre argument for anybody non-Hunnish to make, but especially a Hibby.* Are you seriously making a Regan/Doncaster "Scottish football needs a strong Rangers" argument?


* For the avoidance of doubt, not casting aspersions on 0666's Hibby credentials which are much stronger than mine, even if he is a Hun apologist. :wink:

It's great if you want to take a very short-term parochial view. We need to be clear that the guy is a bit psycho, and his objectives are not clear to anyone probably including himself.

So where is it going to end and how much is he going to cost Scottish football by the time he gets bored and toddles off to his next victim?

[Jack]

Judge told him not to but he had already done so during the lunch break and appears to have spoken to Sky news since.


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Is there a chance the judge will find him in contempt of court and jail him for that?

Probably not but the thought should bring a smile on a few faces :-)

[Ozyhibby]

Is there a chance the judge will find him in contempt of court and jail him for that?

Probably not but the thought should bring a smile on a few faces :-)

Going by today, the judge will just assume the journalists are lying. [emoji3]


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[JeMeSouviens]

It's great if you want to take a very short-term parochial view. We need to be clear that the guy is a bit psycho, and his objectives are not clear to anyone probably including himself.

So where is it going to end and how much is he going to cost Scottish football by the time he gets bored and toddles off to his next victim?

So, to be clear, you think that Scottish football as a whole benefits from a trickledown from a strong Rangers?

I think that's only a very slightly longer term view. If the New Huns are crippled it will also weaken Celtc giving a vacuum at the top of the game that will be filled by someone that could be us. Plus, you surely don't want to condemn Hibs to another season in the championship as some kind of sacrifice for the dubious benefit of having a New Huns that have the financial clout to break up any team that shows a bit of promise?

[Mr White]

It's great if you want to take a very short-term parochial view. We need to be clear that the guy is a bit psycho, and his objectives are not clear to anyone probably including himself.

So where is it going to end and how much is he going to cost Scottish football by the time he gets bored and toddles off to his next victim?

I'm baffled that you could see mike ashley as a bigger threat to scottish football than rangers with their megalomania and sense of entitlement.

Actually no I'm not as you're clearly on the wind up. Again.

[hibs0666]

So, to be clear, you think that Scottish football as a whole benefits from a trickledown from a strong Rangers?

I think that's only a very slightly longer term view. If the New Huns are crippled it will also weaken Celtc giving a vacuum at the top of the game that will be filled by someone that could be us. Plus, you surely don't want to condemn Hibs to another season in the championship as some kind of sacrifice for the dubious benefit of having a New Huns that have the financial clout to break up any team that shows a bit of promise?

Nope I think Scottish football benefits from stability as it gives people thinking about investing in the game some certainty over what they are investing in.

[Treadstone]

I can't detect if that's surprise or sarcasm in your voice. :greengrin

Copious amounts of salt taken when reading his blog Jim. Judging by the Celtic minded on social media it's easy to see why some chancers like the crowdfunding/donate form of journalism. Easy money. Would love to see how much P Mac makes via that avenue.

[AndyM_1875]

I'm baffled that you could see mike ashley as a bigger threat to scottish football than rangers with their megalomania and sense of entitlement.

Actually no I'm not as you're clearly on the wind up. Again.

Surely it's perfectly reasonable to hold Rangers and Mike Ashley in contempt. One, a stupid football club run by a liar which specialised in running up ludicrous debts & has a ridiculous sense of entitlement. The other an arrogant billionaire who built a business on exploitative business practises.

I'm failing to see a good guy in this particular fight.

[CropleyWasGod]

Nope I think Scottish football benefits from stability as it gives people thinking about investing in the game some certainty over what they are investing in.
Given the financial situation that Rangers find themselves in, which they have caused, is it any wonder that investors aren't keen to pay into them?

As for today's stuff, they may not be paying for it. That's still to be decided.

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[Mr White]

Surely it's perfectly reasonable to hold Rangers and Mike Ashley in contempt. One, a stupid football club run by a liar which specialised in running up ludicrous debts & has a ridiculous sense of entitlement. The other an arrogant billionaire who built a business on exploitative business practises.

I'm failing to see a good guy in this particular fight.

Fair enough. That's considerably different to hibs0666's position though which seems to be that Scottish football will suffer until rangers are back at the top. Total pish imo.

[Ozyhibby]

Surely it's perfectly reasonable to hold Rangers and Mike Ashley in contempt. One, a stupid football club run by a liar which specialised in running up ludicrous debts & has a ridiculous sense of entitlement. The other an arrogant billionaire who built a business on exploitative business practises.

I'm failing to see a good guy in this particular fight.

There isn't one. [emoji3]
That's what makes it so enjoyable.


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[Smartie]

From a Hibs point of view you want to see Ashley inflict as much damage as possible, for as long as possible on Rangers.

I can't pretend that I didn't love seeing Ashley get the push ripped out of him today.

It's good because there will be losers but not necessarily winners.

[magpie1892]

I can't pretend that I didn't love seeing Ashley get the push ripped out of him today.



You reckon that's Ashley done? He's just getting warmed up, trust me.

[Jim44]

You reckon that's Ashley done? He's just getting warmed up, trust me.

Well if today's shambles of a performance was him warming up, he needs a bunsen burner up his erchie to inflict any damage in future.

[CropleyWasGod]

Confused about the 5m.loan. Ashley's lawyer didn't know about the repayment? And no announcement from RIFC?

Are we sure it happened? :)

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[Ozyhibby]

You reckon that's Ashley done? He's just getting warmed up, trust me.

He better show up with more than he did today. He's Dave King's bitch right now.


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[Mr White]

He better show up with more than he did today. He's Dave King's bitch right now.


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That is a thoroughly horrific image.

[Deansy]

Confused about the 5m.loan. Ashley's lawyer didn't know about the repayment? And no announcement from RIFC?

Are we sure it happened? :)

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Agreed - I find it very difficult to believe they paid it with no fanfare, no front-page spread on the 'R*tard' with the headline 'PAID - UP YOURS MA !!'

[Ozyhibby]

Confused about the 5m.loan. Ashley's lawyer didn't know about the repayment? And no announcement from RIFC?

Are we sure it happened? :)

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At the time I thought it surprising that Ashley would not inform his team but given the shambles they were for the whole hearing, it's maybe not so surprising.


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[magpie1892]

Well if today's shambles of a performance was him warming up, he needs a bunsen burner up his erchie to inflict any damage in future.

He'll just get madder and madder. The guy's as psychotic as King is a liar. Unlike the penniless King, Ashley's obviously got the cash to play the long game.

Seriously, I've had a close up of Ashley's psyche for nearly nine years now. Not a chance in hell this is even close to over.

Don't bet against 'Sports Direct.com' as the next shirt sponsor of the hun.

[silverhibee]

Is there a chance the judge will find him in contempt of court and jail him for that?

Probably not but the thought should bring a smile on a few faces :-)

If the judge has warned him to not talk to the press then surely he is in contempt of court for doing so.

[silverhibee]

Is there a chance the judge will find him in contempt of court and jail him for that?

Probably not but the thought should bring a smile on a few faces :-)

If the judge has warned him to not talk to the press then surely he is in contempt of court for doing so.

A fine will be the outcome, will King have to pay it in instalments, does he even have the money to pay a fine. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Going by today, the judge will just assume the journalists are lying. [emoji3]


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Did the judge give any warnings to the press/media about what they could print from today, the media/press hate when they get found guilty of contempt of court.

[Treadstone]

Shark officially jumped with not a hint of irony.

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/12/10/keith-jackson-has-enough-egg-on-his-face-to-make-a-meringue/

[silverhibee]

Confused about the 5m.loan. Ashley's lawyer didn't know about the repayment? And no announcement from RIFC?

Are we sure it happened? :)

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SSN saying it was paid last night.

That's where i heard it from, think it was Jim Whyte :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

He'll just get madder and madder. The guy's as psychotic as King is a liar. Unlike the penniless King, Ashley's obviously got the cash to play the long game.

Seriously, I've had a close up of Ashley's psyche for nearly nine years now. Not a chance in hell this is even close to over.

Don't bet against 'Sports Direct.com' as the next shirt sponsor of the hun.

:agree: King is going to have to wheel out some of his off the radar billions for the fights ahead.

[hibs0666]

Fair enough. That's considerably different to hibs0666's position though which seems to be that Scottish football will suffer until rangers are back at the top. Total pish imo.

Not what I'm saying at all. 😋

[jacomo]

Shark officially jumped with not a hint of irony.

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/12/10/keith-jackson-has-enough-egg-on-his-face-to-make-a-meringue/

So many tawdry characters in this tale. At least JJ admits he got it wrong, although deflects attention from that with an attack on Keith Jackson (who is a bellend of the highest order himself, of course).

[Mr White]

Not what I'm saying at all. 😋

A reply woohoo. Any comment on my post of last week pointing out that more teams have won major trophies in scotland in the last 5 years than any other 5 year period for several decades? You've ignored it twice already :aok:

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/king-for-a-day-fool-for-a-lifetime/


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[Treadstone]

Bad day for Fat Mike.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/10/sports-direct-share-price-falls-following-guardian-working-practices-revelations?CMP=share_btn_fb

[Kato]

Confused about the 5m.loan. Ashley's lawyer didn't know about the repayment? And no announcement from RIFC?

Are we sure it happened? :)

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The postal order is in the post.

[Jim44]

Bad day for Fat Mike.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/10/sports-direct-share-price-falls-following-guardian-working-practices-revelations?CMP=share_btn_fb

The Buckie will be flowing in Govan tonight. Cashley will be licking his wounds but is he a big enough rat to bite back or will he quietly make his way back to the sewer?

[CropleyWasGod]

SSN saying it was paid last night.

That's where i heard it from, think it was Jim Whyte :greengrin
And they probably heard it today in Court like the rest of us.

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[Cropley10]

Not what I'm saying at all. 

No, you said Scottish Football will rue the day Mike Ashley got involved.

[CropleyWasGod]

No, you said Scottish Football will rue the day Mike Ashley got involved.
Notwithstanding the fact that MA may be an odious character, he is one of the few people with the balls to take on the Rangers and the SFA at the same time.

The effects of that may actually be beneficial to the game up here.

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[Mr White]

Notwithstanding the fact that MA may be an odious character, he is one of the few people with the balls to take on the Rangers and the SFA at the same time.

The effects of that may actually be beneficial to the game up here.

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:agree:


Negative for rangers, good or worst case neutral for Scottish football imo.

[CropleyWasGod]

Just read a Tweet showing a "reclaiming motion " by Chucky against RIFC, to be heard next week .

Not sure if that's his appeal.

Ozy?

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[Mr White]

A reply woohoo. Any comment on my post of last week pointing out that more teams have won major trophies in scotland in the last 5 years than any other 5 year period for several decades? You've ignored it twice already :aok:

Bump.

Looks like a third time you've ignored this hibs0666. You going to keep trolling this thread or give up on it now?

[hibs0666]

A reply woohoo. Any comment on my post of last week pointing out that more teams have won major trophies in scotland in the last 5 years than any other 5 year period for several decades? You've ignored it twice already :aok:

That's great!

[greenginger]

Just read a Tweet showing a "reclaiming motion " by Chucky against RIFC, to be heard next week .

Not sure if that's his appeal.

Ozy?

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http://www.adjudication.org/sites/default/files/glossary_scottish_terms.pdf

Its an application for a review by the inner house, an appeal i'd guess ! :agree:

[Mr White]

That's great!

:applause:


What are the biggest signs of improvement that you are seeing?







You've picked the bits of Lord nimmo smiths report that suits your position and ignored the parts that don't. You've also ignored any posts that question your position and blow your arguments to pieces. I don't doubt you're a hibs fan but I wonder why you're trolling this forum as I don't believe your posts reflect your true opinions. If they do I'd have more respect for them if you'd bothered to respond to the posts that point out the flaws in your posts.

[Moulin Yarns]

:applause:



You've picked the bits of Lord nimmo smiths report that suits your position and ignored the parts that don't. You've also ignored any posts that question you're position and blow your arguments to pieces. I don't doubt you're a hibs fan but I wonder why you're trolling this forum as I don't believe your posts reflect your true opinion.

Simple answer is to add him to your ignore list.

[Mr White]

Simple answer is to add him to your ignore list.

I don't use the ignore function. I'm fascinated by ignorance :greengrin

[magpie1892]

The Buckie will be flowing in Govan tonight. Cashley will be licking his wounds but is he a big enough rat to bite back or will he quietly make his way back to the sewer?

The former (from the Buckie ref onwards). And then some.

As I said before, grab the popcorn. He's going to do some serious damage.

[wills]

SSN saying it was paid last night.

That's where i heard it from, think it was Jim Whyte :greengrin

Someone will correct if I'm wrong here, but didn't the 3 cuddly teddy bears try and pay the loan of a few weeks ago, but because the deadline for repayment had passed MA refused it to keep ahold of the assets from the loan agreement

[CropleyWasGod]

Someone will correct if I'm wrong here, but didn't the 3 cuddly teddy bears try and pay the loan of a few weeks ago, but because the deadline for repayment had passed MA refused it to keep ahold of the assets from the loan agreement
That was only speculation on here.

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[ballengeich]

Today's newspapers show the true class of Rangers. Is there any other club where "Chairman not jailed" is headline news?

[bigwheel]

Today's newspapers show the true class of Rangers. Is there any other club where "Chairman not jailed" is headline news?

Haha. Yes. And it be a positive story ! :-).


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[Brunswickbill]

Someone will correct if I'm wrong here, but didn't the 3 cuddly teddy bears try and pay the loan of a few weeks ago, but because the deadline for repayment had passed MA refused it to keep ahold of the assets from the loan agreement

See my specultion in post #32297 about default.

[Cropley10]

Nope I think Scottish football benefits from stability as it gives people thinking about investing in the game some certainty over what they are investing in.

Investing? As in looking to make a return?

So, people are more likely to invest - spend money to make money - if Rangers are part of the show, and by that, a strong Rangers?

That makes no sense whatsoever unless you're talking about investing in Rangers.

If you're talking about TV money and Sponsors, of course they're only interested in two teams Rangers and Celtic, and that's because they can show the hatred live on TV.

And of course these two Clubs always took the lions share of income. Sounds like you want to get straight back to that point.

Either that, or you're a troll.

[hibs0666]

Investing? As in looking to make a return?

So, people are more likely to invest - spend money to make money - if Rangers are part of the show, and by that, a strong Rangers?

That makes no sense whatsoever unless you're talking about investing in Rangers.

If you're talking about TV money and Sponsors, of course they're only interested in two teams Rangers and Celtic, and that's because they can show the hatred live on TV.

And of course these two Clubs always took the lions share of income. Sounds like you want to get straight back to that point.

Either that, or you're a troll.

I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.

[hibs0666]

:applause:









You've picked the bits of Lord nimmo smiths report that suits your position and ignored the parts that don't. You've also ignored any posts that question your position and blow your arguments to pieces. I don't doubt you're a hibs fan but I wonder why you're trolling this forum as I don't believe your posts reflect your true opinions. If they do I'd have more respect for them if you'd bothered to respond to the posts that point out the flaws in your posts.

Going back to your point it is great that there has been greater diversity on the winners rostrum (apart from the gunts of course), and that has been achieved as the overall quality in the game has diminished.

I'd much rather see a game that is thriving and is improving in quality, and we will be unable to create that platform for quality improvement until the Scottish football civil war comes to an end.

[Dalianwanda]

I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.

Yeah but surely working for the common good means getting things right from the start..One mans living in the here and now is another's brushing things under the carpet..

[Mr White]

Going back to your point it is great that there has been greater diversity on the winners rostrum (apart from the guunts of course), and that has been achieved as the overall quality in the game has diminished.

I'd much rather see a game that is thriving and is improving in quality, and we will be unable to create that platform for quality improvement until the Scottish football civil war comes to an end.
That's a fair point. My concern however is that things revert to the status quo rather than any of the positive things you mention happening. I suspect that's the preference of a lot of our games administrators (no pun intended) and imo that goes hand in hand with sweeping the rangers issue under the carpet.

As for the current state of our game, I don't think we'd be in any better position had the rangers meltdown not occurred or had it been handled differently. In fact I suspect things would be even worse.

[Just Alf]

I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.


I'd agree with all of this but for one thing...... The Huns just don't believe the bit in bold, if they did then I'm 100% with you :aok:

[Moulin Yarns]

Is Ozy going to be keeping us up to date today ? :greengrin

Counsel for Sports Direct and RFC are understood to be "in discussions" so may be a delay in hearing getting underway.

[greenginger]

SD Vs RIFC second half about to KO.


https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman?lang=en

[CropleyWasGod]

I've no idea why you're trolling me but each to their own.

The picture of Scottish that you paint is about as depressing as it gets. I happen to think that we can progress and grow the game in ways that do not rely on bigotry, and we can get companies to engage with the game based upon positive outcomes and behaviours and not on the old firm freakshow.

However, to progress in that fashion requires Scottish clubs, supporters and governing authorities to work collaboratively for the common good. As far as the huns situation is concerned it is a matter of historic relevance only, and the parties involved will get to know the Scottish judicial system very well over the coming months and years. But that's all it is - a matter of history.

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad. Our clubs are hardly worth a mention in a European context. The stadia of most of our clubs lie half empty from week to week, as these clubs struggle to hold on to the best of their talent even beyond the teenage years.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.

It's not, though.

By dealing properly with the Rangers situation (at all levels. Administratively, commercially, culturally), we can reduce the chances of it repeating itself. If we ignore it, it will be back to the status quo before we know it. And that repetition can only be avoided by keeping the pressure on those who have the levers of power..... the clubs, the legal system, the media and the football authorities.

As for "investment", we have just had BT Sport take up the contract for the new League Cup. That has to be a step in the right direction, no? Somebody, somewhere (Doncaster?) has to be given the credit for that.

[hibs0666]

That's a fair point. My concern however is that things revert to the status quo rather than any of the positive things you mention happening. I suspect that's the preference of a lot of our games administrators (no pun intended) and imo that goes hand in hand with sweeping the rangers issue under the carpet.

As for the current state of our game, I don't think we'd be in any better position had the rangers meltdown not occurred or had it been handled differently. In fact I suspect things would be even worse.

Let's be clear - Regan and the speccy one work according to the mandate to which they are provided by their member clubs. Therefore the status quo prevails only if those clubs collectively choose for that to happen. Hell mend them if these clubs - including Hibs - allow that to be the case.

[Mr White]

It's not, though.

By dealing properly with the Rangers situation (at all levels. Administratively, commercially, culturally), we can reduce the chances of it repeating itself. If we ignore it, it will be back to the status quo before we know it. And that repetition can only be avoided by keeping the pressure on those who have the levers of power..... the clubs, the legal system, the media and the football authorities.

As for "investment", we have just had BT Sport take up the contract for the new League Cup. That has to be a step in the right direction, no? Somebody, somewhere (Doncaster?) has to be given the credit for that.

I'd give BT the credit before him :greengrin

[hibs0666]

It's not, though.

By dealing properly with the Rangers situation (at all levels. Administratively, commercially, culturally), we can reduce the chances of it repeating itself. If we ignore it, it will be back to the status quo before we know it. And that repetition can only be avoided by keeping the pressure on those who have the levers of power..... the clubs, the legal system, the media and the football authorities.

As for "investment", we have just had BT Sport take up the contract for the new League Cup. That has to be a step in the right direction, no? Somebody, somewhere (Doncaster?) has to be given the credit for that.

It's not a case of ignoring it. IMHO opinion we already know pretty much all that we need to know about failure in governance, culture etc. in order to start on the long journey to a better future.

Except we can't do that because there is no collective desire to make things better, and the only thing that most people passionately care about is the imposition or avoidance of punitive actions for past mis-deeds.

The BT Sport deal was indeed a positive step and I want Scottish football to get to a place where the queue of potential commercial partners is round the block as soon as the SPFL doors are flung open on a Monday morning.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's not a case of ignoring it. IMHO opinion we already know pretty much all that we need to know about failure in governance, culture etc. in order to start on the long journey to a better future.

Except we can't do that because there is no collective desire to make things better, and the only thing that most people passionately care about is the imposition or avoidance of punitive actions for past mis-deeds.

The BT Sport deal was indeed a positive step and I want Scottish football to get to a place where the queue of potential commercial partners is round the block as soon as the SPFL doors are flung open on a Monday morning.

But what has actually been done about it?

[Geo_1875]

Let's be clear - Regan and the speccy one work according to the mandate to which they are provided by their member clubs. Therefore the status quo prevails only if those clubs collectively choose for that to happen. Hell mend them if these clubs - including Hibs - allow that to be the case.

And for the member clubs to grow a set and see past 4 home games against Celtc and The Rangers as the financial lifeline it has become. This is what facilitated the changes of the 1970's which everyone is now desperately trying to overturn. Until all clubs accept that they are all equal members of the association there can be no positive outcome.

[hibs0666]

But what has actually been done about it?

That's my point - the game is in stasis due to the on-going civil war and nothing can be done until all parties are prepared to move on as reflected by the mood overwhelmingly expressed in this thread.

[CropleyWasGod]

That's my point - the game is in stasis due to the on-going civil war and nothing can be done until all parties are prepared to move on as reflected by the mood overwhelmingly expressed in this thread.

My point, though, is that we can't properly move on without addressing the issues that have been raised. And that has not happened. Other than the LNS (unpaid) fine, there has been no calling to account.

It's like Truth and Reconciliation. Without that, the past mistakes are doomed to be repeated.

[Ozyhibby]

That's my point - the game is in stasis due to the on-going civil war and nothing can be done until all parties are prepared to move on as reflected by the mood overwhelmingly expressed in this thread.

Something has to change before people move on. What do you suggest?


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[MrSmith]

Going back to your point it is great that there has been greater diversity on the winners rostrum (apart from the gunts of course), and that has been achieved as the overall quality in the game has diminished.

I'd much rather see a game that is thriving and is improving in quality, and we will be unable to create that platform for quality improvement until the Scottish football civil war comes to an end.

I can see what you are saying in all your posts and agree with some to an extent but the issue for me and thousands of others across the country is, the football association in collaboration with the old firm and related media outlets have completely destroyed our game! We cannot allow it to resolve backwards into its previous state!

As fans out with the GFA & Media, we have had to fight for every inch and use online based sites to clearly get our point across and to simply throw it all away just because it would be better for Scottish Football, is a complete red-herring!

I am so disinterested in the Scottish game right now and the only way forward I can see is a complete root and branch clearance of the association and an upheaval of them out of Glasgow into a more neutral venue i.e. Perth. However, until we get transparency and honesty back into our game, this wont occur.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Just a Wee query. The Huns have been spending way out with their means since they were allowed entry to the bottom tier of the SPFL. The spent more than they have for years before that too (in the context of the old Huns). The only reason they're still going is a number of soft loans and share issues. If it goes back to how it was 'for the good of Scottish football' what makes people think they will change? What protection for the game is there that the obvious financial mismanagement of the Hun doesn't continue? Surely the better option is to keep clipping their wings until those that run that horrible institution realise they need to operate on a level playing field? Their aura of self entitlement makes me boak. When one or more teams in a league structure operates like that there will never be a healthy game in Scotland.

[CropleyWasGod]

Just a Wee query. The Huns have been spending way out with their means since they were allowed entry to the bottom tier of the SPFL. The spent more than they have for years before that too (in the context of the old Huns). The only reason they're still going is a number of soft loans and share issues. If it goes back to how it was 'for the good of Scottish football' what makes people think they will change? What protection for the game is there that the obvious financial mismanagement of the Hun doesn't continue? Surely the better option is to keep clipping their wings until those that run that horrible institution realise they need to operate on a level playing field? Their aura of self entitlement makes me boak. When one or more teams in a league structure operates like that there will never be a healthy game in Scotland.

That is one of the fundamental issues that needs to be dealt with before we can make any progress.

Rod told us 2 (3?) years ago at the AGM that FFP was being introduced to our game. Other than tinkering at the edges (eg the points deductions for insolvency), I'm not sure that's happening quickly enough for most people.

[Ozyhibby]

Parties coming into court, proceedings due to begin soon


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[Moulin Yarns]

Parties coming into court, proceedings due to begin soon

Edit, Cheers Ozy

[Ozyhibby]

That is one of the fundamental issues that needs to be dealt with before we can make any progress.

Rod told us 2 (3?) years ago at the AGM that FFP was being introduced to our game. Other than tinkering at the edges (eg the points deductions for insolvency), I'm not sure that's happening quickly enough for most people.

I agree. We have stiffened the penalties for after the event but not put in any preventative measures.



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[Ozyhibby]

Proceedings begin. Counsel for Sports Direct rises says both parties agree there should be a "speedy trial" over injunction issue


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge "I dont regards March as being a speedy trial"


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge says trial will also rule on lawfulness of confidentiality agreement between SD and RFC


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asks if Mr Ashley will be giving evidence at trial?


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge "Is Mr Ashley going to blame this for the 11% slide in his shares yesterday?"


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[Dan Sarf]

Judge "Is Mr Ashley going to blame this for the 11% slide in his shares yesterday?"


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Get in! :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Judge "Is Mr Ashley going to blame this for the 11% slide in his shares yesterday?" :greengrin

[Brightside]

This judge should get struck off. Class A Ticket

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Sports Direct says he does not think will be possible to go to trial on January " there is the matter of Xmas day"


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[Dan Sarf]

Counsel for Sports Direct says he does not think will be possible to go to trial on January " there is the matter of Xmas day"


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This is a sitcom, right? :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Judge says any delay in preparation for the trial "will be dealt with severely"

Sets date for Jan 18


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[CropleyWasGod]

This judge should get struck off. Class A Ticket

Why?

I think he's been excellent. Got to the heart of the issues.

[Dan Sarf]

Why?

I think he's been excellent. Got to the heart of the issues.


Come on you Judge! :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Rangers says he has "no problem" with trial date.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaT9E4bKOXw




Come on you Judge! :greengrin

[Brightside]

Why?

I think he's been excellent. Got to the heart of the issues.

Hes grand standing...no need for the constants quips. His job is to ensure the law is followed correctly.

[CropleyWasGod]

Hes grand standing...no need for the constants quips. His job is to ensure the law is followed correctly.

... which he has done.

[Moulin Yarns]

Judge says any delay in preparation for the trial "will be dealt with severely" Sets date for Jan 18




Counsel for Rangers says he has "no problem" with trial date.


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Rangers say there is no evidence his client was responsible for a Daily Record article from May this year.


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge asks for a list of all newspaper articles that SD claim were a breach of the confidentiality agreement.

Gives counsel one week


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Rangers says his client cannot see what damage was done to SD by the newspaper articles


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[Mr White]

Counsel for Rangers says his client cannot see what damage was done to SD by the newspaper articles


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Sounds like an admission of guilt to me :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Rangers "we don't know if they are asking for £200,000 or £200" in damages


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[Moulin Yarns]

Counsel for Rangers "we don't know if they are asking for £200,000 or £200" in damages


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Let me guess??? :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

On costs judge says he will reserve his decision.


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[brog]

If we are to better Scottish football we have to live in the here and now and goodness knows we do not have our problems to seek. Our national team is down to 52 in the world just behind Gambia and Trinidad.

And yet guys - perhaps even you - think it's all about the Rangers. I'm sorry but I fundamentally disagree.[/QUOTE]

For 4 years, from about 2003, when Oldco were in their pomp, Scotland's rating was much lower than 52. I think we reached 86 at one point. Even in the months before Rangers' liquidation we were rated as 72. There's absolutely no correlation between the demise of Sevco & the Scotland team's ranking. Like others I'm genuinely intrigued as to why you keep beating this empty drum!

[Ozyhibby]

Court now discussing an interim confidentiality order to last until trial


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge notes there is a legitimate public interest in this case but issues of confidentiality remain


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[Ozyhibby]

Judge to RFC counsel " perhaps your client should have kept it zipped yesterday" notes there are over 100 news articles on the Internet


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[CropleyWasGod]

Judge notes there is a legitimate public interest in this case but issues of confidentiality remain


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Item no 1.

That nosey ******* Ozy fi Hibs.net. Tell him to shut the F up.

[brog]

Why?

I think he's been excellent. Got to the heart of the issues.

He has to a point but as underscore says he's also been grandstanding to a considerable extent. He does seem to have started proceedings with a particular agenda in mind. Early on yesterday he asked SD's counsel about the famous ( or infamous ) ****** King hats. I find it hard to believe a London based judge would have had that knowledge if it had not been specifically brought to his attention prior to the trial. I can see MA moving for a mistrial if the judge does not restore some balance.

[Dan Sarf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaT9E4bKOXw


Yay! :flag:

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Rangers "on the other side resources are no problem, it is not the same with us"


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[Ozyhibby]

Breaking: Counsel for Sports Direct says £5m loan has not been repaid


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[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Sports Direct says Rangers have told him "funds are still being collected" to repay loan


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[Mr White]

Counsel for Rangers "on the other side resources are no problem, it is not the same with us"


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So for every £5 sports direct spend, they won't be able to spend £10? Shame.

[Treadstone]

For 4 years, from about 2003, when Oldco were in their pomp, Scotland's rating was much lower than 52. I think we reached 86 at one point. Even in the months before Rangers' liquidation we were rated as 72. There's absolutely no correlation between the demise of Sevco & the Scotland team's ranking. Like others I'm genuinely intrigued as to why you keep beating this empty drum!

My thoughts entirely. When the duopoly ratcheted up their spending to which neither could afford (Advocaat/O'Neill) on a sustainable level the national team had qualified for zero tournaments.

Think some people have a romantic view of Scottish football that never existed in the last twenty five years.

[Moulin Yarns]

Counsel for Sports Direct says Rangers have told him "funds are still being collected" to repay loan


= Buckets a t the game at Ibrox tomorrow

[Ozyhibby]

Judge responds to Internet chatter and tells court " I have never been a mason"


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[Benny Brazil]

Breaking: Counsel for Sports Direct says £5m loan has not been repaid


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No - I am shocked!! :faint:

[Treadstone]

Judge to RFC counsel " perhaps your client should have kept it zipped yesterday" notes there are over 100 news articles on the Internet


Streisand Effect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

[Ozyhibby]

How does that square with what was said yesterday?

Have they physically paid it or not? If they have, are they now trying to gather the funds to fill in that hole?

Def not paid it. Mislead the court yesterday it appears.


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[Moulin Yarns]

How does that square with what was said yesterday?

Have they physically paid it or not? If they have, are they now trying to gather the funds to fill in that hole?

Breaking: Counsel for Sports Direct says £5m loan has not been repaid

EDIT: Did Ozy not keep us up to date? (joke)

Counsel for Sports Direct says RFC are still £500k short of funds to repay loan.

[Ozyhibby]

Counsel for Sports Direct says RFC are still £500k short of funds to repay loan.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Def not paid it. Mislead the court yesterday it appears.


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FFS.

So, does that mean that there is a potential new case. Perjury?

To be fair to JJ, he did raise that possibility yesterday.

[Geo_1875]

Judge responds to Internet chatter and tells court " I have never been a mason"


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But would he tell us if he was?

[CropleyWasGod]

Counsel for Sports Direct says RFC are still £500k short of funds to repay loan.


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Have they conveniently omitted a Zero? :greengrin

[greenginger]

There was talk yesterday about how weak and seemingly unprepared SD were for this court case.

I've been thinking maybe Ashley had second thoughts about getting King banged up.

That would have given the SFA an easy out to revoke his Fit and Proper status and kill the judicial review of the SFA 's process.

If that's his plan , its worth the minor setback yesterday.

[Ozyhibby]

Court told SD £5m loan to Rangers was repaid yesterday


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[Radium]

Have they conveniently omitted a Zero? :greengrin


Or is that how much they have raised 😁

[Geo_1875]

Court told SD £5m loan to Rangers was repaid yesterday


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They said yesterday yesterday.

[CropleyWasGod]

Or is that how much they have raised 

Given that they've lied once already in Court, I wouldn't put it past them.....

[Ozyhibby]

Hearing ends.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Hearing ends.


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No comment from the Judge about the apparent lie that was told yesterday?

Or might that be the subject of a different case? :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Given that they've lied once already in Court, I wouldn't put it past them.....

Judge appears not to have picked up on it, so they have probably got away with it. Strange thing is they did not have to say it yesterday. It wasn't relevant.


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[hibs0666]

Something has to change before people move on. What do you suggest?


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Where to start...


A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities

[Treadstone]

No comment from the Judge about the apparent lie that was told yesterday?

Or might that be the subject of a different case? :greengrin

Judge : "This is not part of the case" and moved on.

[Ozyhibby]

King said live on TV after the aim that they had raised the money in 1 hour and that it was already in the bank. He then told a court that it had already been paid.
Two weeks later and it has still not been raised.
Alarm bells should be ringing louder than ever among the Sevconians.


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[Geo_1875]

Where to start...


A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities



You just copied Neil Doncaster's job description didn't you?

And you can see how well he's doing.

[CropleyWasGod]

Judge : "This is not part of the case" and moved on.

I would agree that it isn't.

However, a lie was told in Court. Apparently.

Bottom line, though.... it ain't been paid. MA still has the ball, and RIFC's balls, in his hands.

[Ozyhibby]

Where to start...


A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities



The current incumbent at Hampden have resisted those suggestions time and again. The only way all the above can happen is if we sweep them from power.


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[Treadstone]

I would agree that it isn't.

However, a lie was told in Court. Apparently.

Bottom line, though.... it ain't been paid. MA still has the ball, and RIFC's balls, in his hands.

You really didn't need that 'apparently'.

[CropleyWasGod]

You really didn't need that 'apparently'.

Ken.

So many writs flying about, have to cover my erse :greengrin

Besides, how do we know that Ozy isn't Keith Jackson moonlighting, and we're being told *****?

[hibs0666]

You just copied Neil Doncaster's job description didn't you?

And you can see how well he's doing.

What's your point?

[hibs0666]

The current incumbent at Hampden have resisted those suggestions time and again. The only way all the above can happen is if we sweep them from power.


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Nope. The incumbent at Hampden acts upon the mandate provided by the clubs. If things are not happening then blame the clubs not their administrator.

[AndyM_1875]

The current incumbent at Hampden have resisted those suggestions time and again. The only way all the above can happen is if we sweep them from power.


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Which won't happen because the pair of them are a heat shield for the likes of Lawell and the other Club Chairmen who can dump their various problems and incompetent handing of their own clubs at the door of the league and national association, slagging them off to the fans whilst backing them privately.

[Treadstone]

Ken.

So many writs flying about, have to cover my erse :greengrin

Besides, how do we know that Ozy isn't Keith Jackson moonlighting, and we're being told *****?

Jackson can barely do one job!

[brog]

Where to start...


A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities



i don't think anyone would disagree with those laudable aims. There is however nothing to stop us moving forward with those plans while at the same time holding the club that was Rangers properly to account for their failure to comply with the rules of Scottish football. Oh, & an explanation & a sanction for the one penalty they did receive & their contempt for continuing to pay that fine.

[Jim44]

I know some of you guys think the judge is doing a good job but, like Underscore, I think he is demonstrating inappropriate and unprofessional tendencies, and let's not forget that he has well publicised previous for his behaviour in court.

[Treadstone]

I know some of you guys think the judge is doing a good job but, like Underscore, I think he is demonstrating inappropriate and unprofessional tendencies, and let's not forget that he has well publicised previous for his behaviour in court.

I think the judge is annoyed by the flippancy of the action. Yesterday he gave SD counsel ample opportunity to explain the harm at certain points which were not answered.
I wouldn't disagree that he's boorish and egotistical.

[Ozyhibby]

Nope. The incumbent at Hampden acts upon the mandate provided by the clubs. If things are not happening then blame the clubs not their administrator.

That's the problem. The clubs are only nominally their bosses. There is a powerful cabal at Hampden that think themselves untouchable. If the clubs were their bosses, do you think they would have launched such a scathing attack on Ann Budge this week?
It's time these people were removed for the good of the game.


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[GreenPJ]

i don't think anyone would disagree with those laudable aims. There is however nothing to stop us moving forward with those plans while at the same time holding the club that was Rangers properly to account for their failure to comply with the rules of Scottish football. Oh, & an explanation & a sanction for the one penalty they did receive & their contempt for continuing to pay that fine.

I think you need to have the governing body purged first before you can properly deal with Rangers/the Rangers otherwise there will always be a view of bias from one side or another.

My issue is that the current incumbents are never truly going to address all of the issues (turkeys voting for Christmas). As much as I don't like to see football and politics mixed I do think someone like Kenny MacAskill raising a question in the Scottish Parliament to instigate an independent root and branch review of the governance of our game (SPFL and SFA) and then identify who is appropriate to implement that new structure is what is required.

[Ozyhibby]

Ken.

So many writs flying about, have to cover my erse :greengrin

Besides, how do we know that Ozy isn't Keith Jackson moonlighting, and we're being told *****?

I'm more an egg 'n chips man. Succulent lamb is a bit rich for me. [emoji3]


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[NAE NOOKIE]

I know some of you guys think the judge is doing a good job but, like Underscore, I think he is demonstrating inappropriate and unprofessional tendencies, and let's not forget that he has well publicised previous for his behaviour in court.

Having seen judges in action in the Sheriff and High courts in my time this ones behaviour isn't all that out of the ordinary.

[Jim44]

I think the judge is annoyed by the flippancy of the action. Yesterday he gave SD counsel ample opportunity to explain the harm at certain points which were not answered.
I wouldn't disagree that he's boorish and egotistical.

If he judged that the case was flippant, could he not just throw it out or rush through it routinely? Or is there a serious case to answer under the flippancy?

[Just Alf]

If he judged that the case was flippant, could he not just throw it out or rush through it routinely? Or is there a serious case to answer under the flippancy?
I thought he was being flippant at the start, then I started to think he was really pushing hard on the SD counsel to make them "really" prove their point


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[greenginger]

I would agree that it isn't.

However, a lie was told in Court. Apparently.

Bottom line, though.... it ain't been paid. MA still has the ball, and RIFC's balls, in his hands.


When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

No way to know unless Sports Direct tell us. We can't trust anything Sevco say with King in charge.


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[lapsedhibee]

When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

Fuss about nothing. His Glibship already raised the full £5m, by phoning round, in "an hour". On that basis, another 500k, to make the total up to, er, £5m, would only take another 6 minutes. He's probably already done it, and is just too modest to confirm.

[Treadstone]

When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

Doleman on Twitter "No money is with SD. Rangers have told them they are awaiting to collect another £500k before repaying loan
Sorry for confusion"

[blackpoolhibs]

Perhaps they could approach the local council to pitch in with a handout, it will help the local govan community out and keep creating jobs in that area?

[Ozyhibby]

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com

JJ seems to think SD are looking for £200,000 damages. It makes sense given we are back in Jan but it is JJ so take with a pinch of salt.


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[Ozyhibby]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/11/e53be3fdac574f8747cae95d50691090.jpg

Even the Record is unimpressed.


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[CropleyWasGod]

If he judged that the case was flippant, could he not just throw it out or rush through it routinely? Or is there a serious case to answer under the flippancy?

My take on it, albeit through the sound bites conveyed by Ozzy (that'as not a dig, btw, it was great to hear), was that the attempt to jail DK was flippant. There may be, though, a more fundamental case to be heard in January. I think that judge was trying to cut through the crap to get at that case.

[Jim44]

My take on it, albeit through the sound bites conveyed by Ozzy (that'as not a dig, btw, it was great to hear), was that the attempt to jail DK was flippant. There may be, though, a more fundamental case to be heard in January. I think that judge was trying to cut through the crap to get at that case.

Was 'the attempt to jail King' not just a bit of sensationalism, coined by the media, adding a sense of flippancy to the issue?

[CropleyWasGod]

Was 'the attempt to jail King' not just a bit of sensationalism, coined by the media, adding a sense of flippancy to the issue?

Seemed like a fairly serious motion to me. That was what was dismissed yesterday, no?

[Ozyhibby]

Seemed like a fairly serious motion to me. That was what was dismissed yesterday, no?

Yes. I think SD were very serious about jail. It now seems that they are also seeking damages.


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[Brunswickbill]

My take on it, albeit through the sound bites conveyed by Ozzy (that'as not a dig, btw, it was great to hear), was that the attempt to jail DK was flippant. There may be, though, a more fundamental case to be heard in January. I think that judge was trying to cut through the crap to get at that case.

It looks like SD received, in return for the £5M loan, security on properties, nominations of 2 board members, IP rights and an inceased share of the retail profits from RIPFC marketing. I'm guessing that the increased share of the return on marketing was in lieu of interest. With the details of the loan agreement coming out and the subsequent boycott of SD merchandise by the RIPFC fans, I would think that SD's return on their loan has been below what they expected. I don't know what evidence they will submit re the actual leeks but they may well be able to show that the return on their loan was damaged. I wonder if the board are rushing to get the loan repaid before Christmas to cash in on a late Christmas rush for the blue shirts.

[gorgie greens]

It looks like SD received, in return for the £5M loan, security on properties, nominations of 2 board members, IP rights and an inceased share of the retail profits from RIPFC marketing. I'm guessing that the increased share of the return on marketing was in lieu of interest. With the details of the loan agreement coming out and the subsequent boycott of SD merchandise by the RIPFC fans, I would think that SD's return on their loan has been below what they expected. I don't know what evidence they will submit re the actual leeks but they may well be able to show that the return on their loan was damaged. I wonder if the board are rushing to get the loan repaid before Christmas to cash in on a late Christmas rush for the blue shirts.

Agree that they money SD are getting must be a small percentage of what they thought they would be getting, noticed they now sell their own version of a kit ,unsure where exactly the funds are going but it's defo not going to SD

[CropleyWasGod]

It looks like SD received, in return for the £5M loan, security on properties, nominations of 2 board members, IP rights and an inceased share of the retail profits from RIPFC marketing. I'm guessing that the increased share of the return on marketing was in lieu of interest. With the details of the loan agreement coming out and the subsequent boycott of SD merchandise by the RIPFC fans, I would think that SD's return on their loan has been below what they expected. I don't know what evidence they will submit re the actual leeks but they may well be able to show that the return on their loan was damaged. I wonder if the board are rushing to get the loan repaid before Christmas to cash in on a late Christmas rush for the blue shirts.

The £200k (that has been touted as the damages being sought) may well be the amount of that loss.

You may be right, too, about wanting the shirt sales in the coffers. They need whatever cash they can get just now.

I know we disagree on this, but I'm still not convinced SD want that loan repaid yet.

[Hibs Class]

On a related topic, are there any photographs of King in which he doesn't look utterly gormless? I only ask as I've never seen one.

[jgl07]

On a related topic, are there any photographs of King in which he doesn't look utterly gormless? I only ask as I've never seen one.
This came to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-HRYKGpDHU

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-ingratitude-of-sevconians/


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[Deansy]

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com

JJ seems to think SD are looking for £200,000 damages. It makes sense given we are back in Jan but it is JJ so take with a pinch of salt.


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His opening line -

“A Scar on Business” (https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/a-scar-on-business/) This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Dave King.'

He's either getting it wrong or he's hoping his fellow hordes don't read 'The Guardian' -


http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/10/sports-direct-share-price-falls-following-guardian-working-practices-revelations

'The company was branded a “scar on British business” by the Institute of Directors ...'


Or have I read this completely wrong ??

[CropleyWasGod]

His opening line -

“A Scar on Business” (https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/a-scar-on-business/) This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Dave King.'

He's either getting it wrong or he's hoping his fellow hordes don't read 'The Guardian' -


http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/10/sports-direct-share-price-falls-following-guardian-working-practices-revelations

'The company was branded a “scar on British business” by the Institute of Directors ...'


Or have I read this completely wrong ??

I read it as you do.

You should ask him for clarification. He ignores me when I do it. :greengrin

[Jim44]

It's quite clear to me that the 'scar on British business' is a reference to Sports Direct and not Dave King.
JJ is either devious or at best careless in his interpretation of the Guardian article. I know what I think.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's quite clear to me that the 'scar on British business' is a reference to Sports Direct and not Dave King.
JJ is either devious or at best careless in his interpretation of the Guardian article. I know what I think.

DK is not even mentioned in that article, or the Chronicle one, which is where I read it.

Go on, Jim, you ask him as well. :greengrin

[Jim44]

DK is not even mentioned in that article, or the Chronicle one, which is where I read it.

Go on, Jim, you ask him as well. :greengrin

Out of interest, how did you contact him? Is there an email address? I wouldn't want to register on his site. My impression is that he only 'publishes' supportive comments or questions.

[CropleyWasGod]

Out of interest, how did you contact him? Is there an email address? I wouldn't want to register on his site. My impression is that he only 'publishes' supportive comments or questions.
I did it on that site.

My experience has been exactly as you describe. Positive comments of mine are on there. Questions and negative ones have been ignored :)

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[Ozyhibby]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-phantom-of-the-sevco-soap-opera/


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[Jim44]

His opening line -

“A Scar on Business” (https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/a-scar-on-business/) This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Dave King.'

He's either getting it wrong or he's hoping his fellow hordes don't read 'The Guardian' -


http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/10/sports-direct-share-price-falls-following-guardian-working-practices-revelations

'The company was branded a “scar on British business” by the Institute of Directors ...'


Or have I read this completely wrong ??


He has backtracked and corrected his embarrassing faux-pas. It doesn't help his credibility.

[BoomtownHibees]

James Doleman on Twitter:
Judge after saying in court today he had never been a mason

'But it would have been an honour to be nominated by a legend like John Greig"

[God Petrie]

These boys writing pseudo intellectual drivel in an attempt to be the white knights of Scottish football are embarrassing. Give us a coherent logical timeline and appraisal of the situation. 99% of football supporters don't have the time or inclination to follow all of this. Make it accessible or you are no better than the mainstream media. They have went too far in making it accessible but there is a happy medium which is at the heart of any good journalism.

Having been to football matches all across the world the only thing notable about rangers is their "passion" is driven purely by hate. Dont fuel their hate. Ignore them, skelp them on the pitch and mock them. They barely have the resources to compete with Hibernian, a club which is based on inclusion and integrity. The jokes on them and always will be.

[Jim44]

These boys writing pseudo intellectual drivel in an attempt to be the white knights of Scottish football are embarrassing. Give us a coherent logical timeline and appraisal of the situation. 99% of football supporters don't have the time or inclination to follow all of this. Make it accessible or you are no better than the mainstream media. They have went too far in making it accessible but there is a happy medium which is at the heart of any good journalism.

Having been to football matches all across the world the only thing notable about rangers is their "passion" is driven purely by hate. Dont fuel their hate. Ignore them, skelp them on the pitch and mock them. They barely have the resources to compete with Hibernian, a club which is based on inclusion and integrity. The jokes on them and always will be.

Very Churchillian and spirit raising - "We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Pity about the last four ironic words, but there you go .......

Excellent post, putting the 'white knights of Scottish Journalism' in perspective ( are you listening, Phil and JJ ) and an almost 'hare and tortoise' means of pipping them at the post. :thumbsup:

[Bostonhibby]

On a related topic, are there any photographs of King in which he doesn't look utterly gormless? I only ask as I've never seen one.
Do you mean from before or after he was fund raising as Roy Croppers slightly more fashionable twin?

[grunt]

He has backtracked and corrected his embarrassing faux-pas. It doesn't help his credibility.


Note my change in the article in my response to numerous posts on this matter. I constantly strive to be accurate.


This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Mike Ashley, but I posit that it’s more apposite of Dave King.

I posit this guy's an idiot.

[Stonewall]

These boys writing pseudo intellectual drivel in an attempt to be the white knights of Scottish football are embarrassing. Give us a coherent logical timeline and appraisal of the situation. 99% of football supporters don't have the time or inclination to follow all of this. Make it accessible or you are no better than the mainstream media. They have went too far in making it accessible but there is a happy medium which is at the heart of any good journalism.

Having been to football matches all across the world the only thing notable about rangers is their "passion" is driven purely by hate. Dont fuel their hate. Ignore them, skelp them on the pitch and mock them. They barely have the resources to compete with Hibernian, a club which is based on inclusion and integrity. The jokes on them and always will be.

Not sure I agree about a 'happy medium' being at the Heart of good journalism, at least not good investigative journalism. More a case of tenacity, asking awkward questions and having a desire to uncover inconvenient truths which some would rather remained hidden.

The lamentable performance of the Scottish mainstream media has created a vacuum which these guys are filling. The problem appears to me to be their barely concealed agendas, out of control egos, tendency to guild the lilly and the absence of a good editor.

I must admit I do find the whole thing to have a horrible fascination with a cast of characters who would be out of place in the most far fetched of films. I have made the effort to follow all the goings on and try to understand them-don't pretend I do though. I agree it would be good to have an 'executive summary' but I'm not sure it's that simple or that anyone really knows, hence the speculation.

If you don't have the time/ inclination to follow all the goings on then I guess the answer for you and your fellow 99% is don't. It's probably quite important for the future of Scottish Football that the whole business is resolved though and that the truth (whatever that is) comes out. Ignoring the issues won't do that.

[Jim44]

Not sure I agree about a 'happy medium' being at the Heart of good journalism, at least not good investigative journalism. More a case of tenacity, asking awkward questions and having a desire to uncover inconvenient truths which some would rather remained hidden.

The lamentable performance of the Scottish mainstream media has created a vacuum which these guys are filling. The problem appears to me to be their barely concealed agendas, out of control egos, tendency to guild the lilly and the absence of a good editor.

I must admit I do find the whole thing to have a horrible fascination with a cast of characters who would be out of place in the most far fetched of films. I have made the effort to follow all the goings on and try to understand them-don't pretend I do though. I agree it would be good to have an 'executive summary' but I'm not sure it's that simple or that anyone really knows, hence the speculation.

If you don't have the time/ inclination to follow all the goings on then I guess the answer for you and your fellow 99% is don't. It's probably quite important for the future of Scottish Football that the whole business is resolved though and that the truth (whatever that is) comes out. Ignoring the issues won't do that.

The problem is that the incessant ranting of these bloggers tends to mitigate the misdoings of their targets.

[Stonewall]

The problem is that the incessant ranting of these bloggers tends to mitigate the misdoings of their targets.

I agree.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Big thanks for the main contributors on this thread. Totally missed yesterday's action and got more info here than on any news site I've looked on. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[Ozyhibby]

The problem is that the incessant ranting of these bloggers tends to mitigate the misdoings of their targets.

Of all the bloggers on this issue I find James Forrest to be the most readable. Phil has the best sources. JJ is a windbag who barely pauses to think before posting.
On the issue of them having barely concealed agendas, who would argue that Roddy Forsyth, Chris Jack, Richard Wilson or Keith Jackson did not have barely concealed agendas?


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[Col2]

Morton (good form) are 22-1 to win at Ibrox today.

Chucked a tenner on that.

Every season in every league you will see surprises.

[jacomo]

I did it on that site.

My experience has been exactly as you describe. Positive comments of mine are on there. Questions and negative ones have been ignored :)

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It appears that your questions fail to reach the standards he has set.

:faf:

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-third-punic-war-and-other-expensive-excursions/


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[Jim44]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-third-punic-war-and-other-expensive-excursions/


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Remember to watch your salt intake.

[JimBHibees]

Morton (good form) are 22-1 to win at Ibrox today.

Chucked a tenner on that.

Every season in every league you will see surprises.

Wow you must be gutted. Unlucky.

[Col2]

Wow you must be gutted. Unlucky.

Yes 7 mins from £240!! Ridiculous odds!

[Ozyhibby]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/3ca17aa7603bc0ccc68f52c6996acfce.jpg




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[Ozyhibby]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/e7ed9c7193196733b86ffad75d371244.jpg



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[bingo70]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/e7ed9c7193196733b86ffad75d371244.jpg



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What does this all mean?

Apologies for being too lazy to read it all

[HoboHarry]

What does this all mean?

Apologies for being too lazy to read it all
Don't feel bad - I read it and still don't understand it. I assume that because it was posted by Ozyhibby it's bad news for Sevco though. :greengrin

[CentreLine]

Guys guys, are you sure it is wise posting this stuff? Are there implications?

[Ozyhibby]

What does this all mean?

Apologies for being too lazy to read it all

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/8d018ad1b8ddf99b1e8a093473b9971f.jpg
[emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

Not sure myself, think it means Mike Ashley gets the lot of they don't pay him soon.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure myself, think it means Mike Ashley gets the lot of they don't pay him soon.


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Think the 2 are unrelated , no?

What you have posted is an agreement between Rangers Retail and SD.
The loan is between SD and the club. I saw a version of the loan agreement the other day which said that there is no fixed repayment period.

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[Ozyhibby]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/ff7231085cb1a160f41db670002b87f7.jpg

From Morton's Face book page. [emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/5166fd41f0afca4a078d92419586ac3f.jpg

In relation to this.


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[CallumLaidlaw]

Fair play for their honesty. Refreshing to see but if that's their proper "official" page, I can see them getting hammered for that.

[Brunswickbill]

The document is dated 2012. I think it relates to the Joint Venture whereby SD took over the running of the Rangers retail operation. See link from August 2012 below.

http://news.stv.tv/west-central/186751-newco-rangers-reach-club-merchandise-retail-agreement-with-sports-direct/


The £5m loan was agreed in January 2015 and I think that it's this loan that SEVCO are trying to pay off. See the link below

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30996809


(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30996809)

[Ozyhibby]

Fair play for their honesty. Refreshing to see but if that's their proper "official" page, I can see them getting hammered for that.

Wish our club was more like them.


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[Michael]

Fair play for their honesty. Refreshing to see but if that's their proper "official" page, I can see them getting hammered for that.

I think it's not their official page. They seem to only have twitter and not facebook.

[greenginger]

A suggestion could be to get the SFA neutral observer ( if they still send such officials ) to sit with the visiting fans at Ibrox for a few matches .

The reports could be interesting, if he lives ! :greengrin

[poolman]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/13/5166fd41f0afca4a078d92419586ac3f.jpg

In relation to this.


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Not too surprising from these Neanderthal cretins

[Springbank]

Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....

[gorgie greens]

Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....
i live in hope that once a case is found not in their favour they will have to start robbing Peter to pay Paul and it will become a domino effect with everything comes crumbling at their feet and im not talking about the sandy jardine stand,mind you the loss in revenue and the hopefull thought that they have the most basic of insurance to cover any repair if at all with a horid excess to pay.

[CropleyWasGod]

Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....
The tax case appeal has no impact on their current funds.

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[Lucius Apuleius]

Wish our club was more like them.


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Really? I sure as hell don't.

[Springbank]

The tax case appeal has no impact on their current funds.

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Directly, there's no impact

indirectly, there might be some financial impact if Charles greens fees were the liability of the current sevco mob, afaik.

the others are all now due to be after the jan window shuts (except Ashley v king on 18 jan) but wanted to,check.

and my only interest is the impact it might have in terms of reducing the warb cchest good luck to,Falkirk v rangers this weekend

[greenginger]

First one up is this Wednesday. Chuckie Green appealing against decision not to award him legal expenses for his court cases.

[Brunswickbill]

Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....

Here's an extract from my diary - I'd welcome any updates

25January Mike (Scarface) Ashley v SEVCO - Damages arising from breach of confidentiality agreement. Court of Session
4 Feb 2016 Ashley V SFA - Judicial Review of SFA fine of £1000 for dual ownership / undue influence on Sevco board. Court of Session


11 Feb 2106 Ashley V SFA - Judicial Review of King being declared a fit and proper person. Court of Session

Date? Appeal by Green re his claim on Sevco to pay his legal fees. Can’t find any confirmation that appeal has or will be made.

Date? Appeal on Big Tax Case. Await decision by BDO. Can’t find a date http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11788/10085263/liquidators-bdo-to-appeal-decision-over-rangers-use-of-ebts

Date? Worthington Group / Law Financial claim on Sevco assets. No date as yet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/11129371/Rangers-facing-new-legal-threat-as-Worthington-Group-recovers.html

Date? Employment Tribunal to hear claim for holiday pay by 2 Former Sevco players. I haven’t found a date. Could be 5/6 figure sum to 4 ex-players if successful http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/rangers/6745226/Ex-Rangers-stars-sue-over-holiday-pay.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-scotsunsport-_-20151116-_-SunScotNews-_-278659762-_-Imageandlink

[Jack Hackett]

A suggestion could be to get the SFA neutral observer ( if they still send such officials ) to sit with the visiting fans at Ibrox for a few matches .

The reports could be interesting, if he lives ! :greengrin

Reminds me of auld pishy breeks going 'undercover' with the hertz support at Septic Park....but made sure that the press were informed well in advance so he could get a wee bit of publicity...and a police escort for the bus he travelled on

[Ozyhibby]

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/high-jinks-in-high-courts/#comments

JJ thinks there is court action today although James Doleman thinks it's a mistake on the rolls.


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[brog]

Any word on the £5m repayment yet? :wink:

[Jack Hackett]

Any word on the £5m repayment yet? :wink:

The silence speaks volumes

[jacomo]

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/high-jinks-in-high-courts/#comments

JJ thinks there is court action today although James Doleman thinks it's a mistake on the rolls.


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Ooh, he's been reading about Roman history on Wikipedia as well, the wind bag.

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/charming-and-not-in-the-least-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.


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[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/charming-and-not-in-the-least-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.


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Think it's a spoof.

Who is Stewart? :greengrin

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Think it's a spoof.

Who is Stewart? :greengrin

Milne/Gilmour?

[Ozyhibby]

Think it's a spoof.

Who is Stewart? :greengrin

Stewart Robertson, the bloke they brought in from Motherwell. Leeann will know him well.


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[Baldy Foghorn]

Think it's a spoof.

Who is Stewart? :greengrin

Regan?

[CropleyWasGod]

Stewart Robertson, the bloke they brought in from Motherwell. Leeann will know him well.


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Gotcha.

[brog]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/charming-and-not-in-the-least-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.


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I didn't know you could have visitor lunches at the Bar-L! :wink:

[Deansy]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/charming-and-not-in-the-least-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.


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'We discussed the importance to Rangers and Scottish Football of repairing and improving the relationship between our club, the Scottish Football Authorities and our fellow clubs in Scotland'

If this is genuine, then why issue a recent statement stating they will fight any attempt at title-stripping ??.If they really wanted all that's stated in this 'letter'then all they have to do is voluntarily relinquish all the (now tarnished)
trophies\titles they illegally and immorally 'won' and take out full-page adverts in all the main newspapers, and apologise for all the shame and disgrace they've brought to this country and game.

[Jim44]

'We discussed the importance to Rangers and Scottish Football of repairing and improving the relationship between our club, the Scottish Football Authorities and our fellow clubs in Scotland'

If this is genuine, then why issue a recent statement stating they will fight any attempt at title-stripping ??.If they really wanted all that's stated in this 'letter'then all they have to do is voluntarily relinquish all the (now tarnished)
trophies\titles they illegally and immorally 'won' and take out full-page adverts in all the main newspapers, and apologise for all the shame and disgrace they've brought to this country and game.

This is the extreme antithesis of a huge part of their support who, for the last 3/4 years have vowed, when back in the top flight, to do everything in their power to exact utter revenge on all the clubs who 'caused their downfall'. Even the lying king, with all his (probably false) bonhomie, will not change the mind-set of his clubs muppets. Stuff them.