Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Dashing Bob S]

More than £40k a week the pair, plus bonuses.

They may get rid of Barton in January if (and it's a big 'if') the price is right, but Krancjar's injury takes him to the end of his contract so that's £16.5k/wk from now until May regardless.

Devastating stuff.

Maybe Warburton better not count on a Christmas card from the Lying King

[Hibzbollah]

I never thought I'd utter these words, but "nice touch from Mike Ashley..."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14839435.Mike_Ashley_tries_to_regain_Rangers_preci ous_trademarks_in_new_legal_battle/

[Ozyhibby]

I never thought I'd utter these words, but "nice touch from Mike Ashley..."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14839435.Mike_Ashley_tries_to_regain_Rangers_preci ous_trademarks_in_new_legal_battle/

The quality of Ashley's lawyers does not inspire confidence he can win in court.


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[magpie1892]

Don't clubs insure their players against long term injury? Not saying this is actually the case with these cheapskates, but it's available...in which case it could be a bonus for them, as his wages would be covered.

It really does depend. Newcastle, who are a model of financial probity compared to sevco even had to pay Barton's wages when he was in jail because they had not insured against his lack of availability.

I'm purely guessing here but on balance I would say that the hun are having to pay Krancjar. If he were covered by insurance, I'm sure we'd already have seen some sort of self-congratulatory piece in the Daily ******, fed (no pun intended) to Jackson by Monsieur Creosote at level5.

[Seveno]

It really does depend. Newcastle, who are a model of financial probity compared to sevco even had to pay Barton's wages when he was in jail because they had not insured against his lack of availability.

I'm purely guessing here but on balance I would say that the hun are having to pay Krancjar. If he were covered by insurance, I'm sure we'd already have seen some sort of self-congratulatory piece in the Daily ******, fed (no pun intended) to Jackson by Monsieur Creosote at level5.

It is not the norm for clubs to insure their players against injury.

[southsider]

It is not the norm for clubs to insure their players against injury.
Yes, but to get said insurance would mean paying the premiums and we all know DK doesn't do paying invoices.

[Future17]

The quality of Ashley's lawyers does not inspire confidence he can win in court.

Who are his lawyers?

[magpie1892]

It is not the norm for clubs to insure their players against injury.

More often than not, yes. Plenty exceptions though. I know a current St Mirren player who asked to be paid his insurance premium because his contract was so poor (maximum wage at St Mirren is £600/wk) and when it comes to the hun, they might well have left it to chance as they have no concept, despite liquidation, of how to run a business at a break-even point.

They don't even have WiFi, FFS.

[CropleyWasGod]

Who are his lawyers?

Sue, Grabbitt and Runn.

[Wee Effen Bee]

It really does depend. Newcastle, who are a model of financial probity compared to sevco even had to pay Barton's wages when he was in jail because they had not insured against his lack of availability.

I'm purely guessing here but on balance I would say that the hun are having to pay Krancjar. If he were covered by insurance, I'm sure we'd already have seen some sort of self-congratulatory piece in the Daily ******, fed (no pun intended) to Jackson by Monsieur Creosote at level5.

Like it:wink:

[southsider]

:greengrin
Sue, Grabbitt and Runn.
Who were hopeless. One judge remarked on how poorly prepared their case was. (DK v MA).

[magpie1892]

:greengrin
Who were hopeless. One judge remarked on how poorly prepared their case was. (DK v MA).

They didn't really have a case last time (it was a vexatious complaint, he just wanted King to spend Christmas in jail because that's how someone like Ashley gets his kicks) so he paid for the lawyer's equivalent of a three pack of Donnay socks.

He's got a case this time - one he's favourite to win - and his lawyers will be prepared accordingly.

[jgl07]

It really does depend. Newcastle, who are a model of financial probity compared to sevco even had to pay Barton's wages when he was in jail because they had not insured against his lack of availability.

I am surprised that Newcastle didn't see that one coming.

They had employed Duncan Disorderly previously! He would have been with Everton when he did stir though?

[ancient hibee]

It really does depend. Newcastle, who are a model of financial probity compared to sevco even had to pay Barton's wages when he was in jail because they had not insured against his lack of availability.

I'm purely guessing here but on balance I would say that the hun are having to pay Krancjar. If he were covered by insurance, I'm sure we'd already have seen some sort of self-congratulatory piece in the Daily ******, fed (no pun intended) to Jackson by Monsieur Creosote at level5.


Surely Barton's contract would have a clause saying that he had to be available to play which would mean he wouldn't have to be paid while in jail.

[Hibzbollah]

The quality of Ashley's lawyers does not inspire confidence he can win in court.


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That may be true, however, the challenge adds to the whole sense of crisis and lengthens the deadline on any resolution to the merchandise funding battle. Sevco could really do without this now.

[magpie1892]

Surely Barton's contract would have a clause saying that he had to be available to play which would mean he wouldn't have to be paid while in jail.

You'd have thought so, wouldn't you? But we didn't.

Barton was getting £65,000/wk from Newcastle while he was in jail.

[HoboHarry]

You'd have thought so, wouldn't you? But we didn't.

Barton was getting £65,000/wk from Newcastle while he was in jail.

Barton says otherwise in this article......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2067782/Joey-Barton-claims-Newcastle-said-pay-cut-leave-prison.html

[magpie1892]

Barton says otherwise in this article......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2067782/Joey-Barton-claims-Newcastle-said-pay-cut-leave-prison.html

Well he would say that, wouldn't he?

Someone's lying, and frankly I trust Barton as far as I can throw him. The man's a proven liar, has a history of extreme and unprovoked violence and general recidivism. Look how he's behaving now; I know it's the hun he's taking the piss out of, and it's hilarious, but this is not a trustworthy man.

[silverhibee]

You'd have thought so, wouldn't you? But we didn't.

Barton was getting £65,000/wk from Newcastle while he was in jail.

Was that his basic wage at Newcastle?

Why did Newcastle just not sack him and save paying him anything.

[magpie1892]

Was that his basic wage at Newcastle?

Why did Newcastle just not sack him and save paying him anything.

Yeah.

Couldn't or we would have. Watertight contract engineered by one Willie MacKay - who is still his agent now. This is why the hun can't sack him for calling his boss a c-word and fighting with Halliday.

Crazy, I know.

[Bostonhibby]

Yeah.

Couldn't or we would have. Watertight contract engineered by one Willie MacKay - who is still his agent now. This is why the hun can't sack him for calling his boss a c-word and fighting with Halliday.

Crazy, I know.
Panic buy in haste, repent at leisure, hopefully for the length or value of his contract.

Whose idea was it to sign so many over the hill wage collectors on such expensive and long term deals? If this was happening at our club I'd want them out.

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[jacomo]

Well he would say that, wouldn't he?

Someone's lying, and frankly I trust Barton as far as I can throw him. The man's a proven liar, has a history of extreme and unprovoked violence and general recidivism. Look how he's behaving now; I know it's the hun he's taking the piss out of, and it's hilarious, but this is not a trustworthy man.

I you taking Ashley's side here? That must hurt :wink:

[silverhibee]

Yeah.

Couldn't or we would have. Watertight contract engineered by one Willie MacKay - who is still his agent now. This is why the hun can't sack him for calling his boss a c-word and fighting with Halliday.

Crazy, I know.

So when playing, he couldn't have been far away from picking up £100k p/w with win bonus and appearance money. Mental.

These things happen on the training ground all the time, players fighting and managers getting involved as well, so I would reckon the Rangers would struggle to sack him for that, Joey will still be able to get a round of golf every weekend for the time being as he will have been told to stay away from Ipox on match days as well, mind you the new club could have him training at Murray Park while the Rangers play there games.

[CyberSauzee]

You'd have thought so, wouldn't you? But we didn't.

Barton was getting £65,000/wk from Newcastle while he was in jail.

It's good to hear the 'other' side of the story.

By other I recall a snippet from Barton's autobiography that after he came out of prison he was getting treatment at the Sporting Chance clinic on the south coast. He had to be there overnight I think as terms of his probation, but still had to get to training. Anyway, Ashley offered him his helicopter to get to training in Newcastle each day. Barton accepts, then rails at the bill Ashley hands him for the transport.

Makes for a good story, until you have pointed out he was on £65k a week and Ashley knew he could afford it. Typical Barton, thick as shig pit not knowing he will pay for it.

[magpie1892]

I you taking Ashley's side here? That must hurt :wink:

I'm not taking his side so much as I know Barton's lying. It was a while ago and I'm really only interested in the fine work Barton is doing at sevco now!

[magpie1892]

It's good to hear the 'other' side of the story.

By other I recall a snippet from Barton's autobiography that after he came out of prison he was getting treatment at the Sporting Chance clinic on the south coast. He had to be there overnight I think as terms of his probation, but still had to get to training. Anyway, Ashley offered him his helicopter to get to training in Newcastle each day. Barton accepts, then rails at the bill Ashley hands him for the transport.

Makes for a good story, until you have pointed out he was on £65k a week and Ashley knew he could afford it. Typical Barton, thick as shig pit not knowing he will pay for it.

I've not read the book but was aware of the helicopter story. Sums both parties up quite neatly.

[Topographic Hibby]

Yeah.

Couldn't or we would have. Watertight contract engineered by one Willie MacKay - who is still his agent now. This is why the hun can't sack him for calling his boss a c-word and fighting with Halliday.

Crazy, I know.

Madness of modern pro footballers....

If I called my boss a clueless c.... and decked a colleague, my feet wouldn't touch the ground legally. Out on my ear with little or no liklihood of any appeal or financial recompense.

As you say, crazy stuff.

[snooky]

So Willie McKay is JoJo's agent?
Hmmmm.... where have I heard that name before?

[Ozyhibby]

Madness of modern pro footballers....

If I called my boss a clueless c.... and decked a colleague, my feet wouldn't touch the ground legally. Out on my ear with little or no liklihood of any appeal or financial recompense.

As you say, crazy stuff.

Sports teams are different. Training ground bust ups are both common and desirable. If they are not happening at a club then it's likely the club is not training with the intensity required to maintain performance.
I believe that Bartons bust up happened during an 'honesty' discussion following the 5-1 defeat. You can't call such a session then sack someone for being honest in their views.


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[Geo_1875]

Sports teams are different. Training ground bust ups are both common and desirable. If they are not happening at a club then it's likely the club is not training with the intensity required to maintain performance.
I believe that Bartons bust up happened during an 'honesty' discussion following the 5-1 defeat. You can't call such a session then sack someone for being honest in their views.


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The Rangers and honesty? I doubt they're aware of the concept.

[CropleyWasGod]

Sports teams are different. Training ground bust ups are both common and desirable. If they are not happening at a club then it's likely the club is not training with the intensity required to maintain performance.
I believe that Bartons bust up happened during an 'honesty' discussion following the 5-1 defeat. You can't call such a session then sack someone for being honest in their views.


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... but that honesty must be expressed with respect. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

... but that honesty must be expressed with respect. :greengrin


I'm sure he said, "respectfully, Mr Warburton, you're a c...."


;-)

[jodjam]

Joey Barton signed off work with stress. The story that keeps on giving

[lapsedhibee]

Joey Barton signed off work with stress. The story that keeps on giving

He'll get sickness benefit deducted from his The Rangers pay then? Good book-keeping move by the huns. They've clearly learned to manage their resources more carefully now. :faf:

[ancient hibee]

Joey Barton signed off work with stress. The story that keeps on giving

A good reason for sueing your employer.

[hibs0666]

Kenny Miller, Weegie gangsters and the case of the missing 45 grand ear-rings - what a hoot :LOL:

RANGERS striker Kenny Miller has been named as a key witness in an alleged gangland extortion plot. Detectives are examining two mobile phones connected to the 36-year-old star as part of their investigation.

Officers arrested Billy Steele, 35, after he was accused of demanding £40,000 from the daughter of a notorious gangland figure with links to the vice industry. Steele is alleged to have demanded the cash as compensation for a pair of diamond earrings that were lost during a rammy involving the woman and Miller’s wife Laura.

It is claimed he went to the woman’s home in Bothwell, Lanarkshire, on Wednesday night where she and her boyfriend were threatened for the cash. A source said: “This all goes back to an incident about eight weeks ago between Kenny’s wife Laura and another woman.

“Laura lost her earrings during a fight. Steele appears to have gone round of his own volition, looking to get the cost of them back.”

Police went to private school Hamilton College on Thursday, where they waited to arrest Steele but failed to apprehend him. He then handed himself in at a nearby police station. Miller co-operated with police, who took two mobile phones they believed to be used by the former Scotland star.

The brawl involving Laura happened on September 10, when trouble flared at Da Luciano in Bothwell just hours after Celtic beat Rangers 5-1. Up to 20 people were involved in the fracas, which spilled out into the Italian restaurant’s car park. Police were called to the incident at about 9pm but arrived after the trouble had passed. They scoured CCTV footage of the bust-up amid claims that a man had been seen entering the venue brandishing a lock-back knife. Miller stepped in after Laura, 28, was slapped in the face during the brawl. She suffered a black eye and a scratch to her forehead.

A source said: “All hell broke loose, it was complete chaos. “A lot of punches were thrown and Laura was grabbed by her hair. She lost her earrings, which cost about £45,000.” Mum-of-two Laura later posted photographs on her Instagram page showing the scratch above her eye. She also posted a picture of her ear, captioned: “My substitute earrings are not very cool.”

[ancient hibee]

Kenny Miller, Weegie gangsters and the case of the missing 45 grand ear-rings - what a hoot :LOL:

RANGERS striker Kenny Miller has been named as a key witness in an alleged gangland extortion plot. Detectives are examining two mobile phones connected to the 36-year-old star as part of their investigation.

Officers arrested Billy Steele, 35, after he was accused of demanding £40,000 from the daughter of a notorious gangland figure with links to the vice industry. Steele is alleged to have demanded the cash as compensation for a pair of diamond earrings that were lost during a rammy involving the woman and Miller’s wife Laura.

It is claimed he went to the woman’s home in Bothwell, Lanarkshire, on Wednesday night where she and her boyfriend were threatened for the cash. A source said: “This all goes back to an incident about eight weeks ago between Kenny’s wife Laura and another woman.

“Laura lost her earrings during a fight. Steele appears to have gone round of his own volition, looking to get the cost of them back.”

Police went to private school Hamilton College on Thursday, where they waited to arrest Steele but failed to apprehend him. He then handed himself in at a nearby police station. Miller co-operated with police, who took two mobile phones they believed to be used by the former Scotland star.

The brawl involving Laura happened on September 10, when trouble flared at Da Luciano in Bothwell just hours after Celtic beat Rangers 5-1. Up to 20 people were involved in the fracas, which spilled out into the Italian restaurant’s car park. Police were called to the incident at about 9pm but arrived after the trouble had passed. They scoured CCTV footage of the bust-up amid claims that a man had been seen entering the venue brandishing a lock-back knife. Miller stepped in after Laura, 28, was slapped in the face during the brawl. She suffered a black eye and a scratch to her forehead.

A source said: “All hell broke loose, it was complete chaos. “A lot of punches were thrown and Laura was grabbed by her hair. She lost her earrings, which cost about £45,000.” Mum-of-two Laura later posted photographs on her Instagram page showing the scratch above her eye. She also posted a picture of her ear, captioned: “My substitute earrings are not very cool.”

You have to say that anyone demanding money from the daughter of a notorious gangster can not be the full shilling.

[cabbageandribs1875]

wearing 45k earrings on a night out after a bigotfest game, thick as ****, oh look at ma expensive earrings :rolleyes:

[blackpoolhibs]

wearing 45k earrings on a night out after a bigotfest game, thick as ****, oh look at ma expensive earrings :rolleyes:


:agree: My mate Moray stopped doing that years ago.

[CyberSauzee]

:agree: My mate Moray stopped doing that years ago.

That's the 'boy' from Churchills!? 😉

[blackpoolhibs]

That's the 'boy' from Churchills!? 😉

Naw, that was april, Moray's from Bolton. :greengrin

[CentreLine]

Seems more than sad that Kenny Miller is being associated with this second incident. Liked him as a kid when he was playing under 16s. Liked him as a young player for us and remember at the time of his departure we were very glad of the money. Of course he came back to haunt us next game but it is great to see whole hearted players doing well.
His class showed through again after the cup final and I wish the guy well.
Sincerely hope he has no connection with the people reported to be involved in this incident. Perhaps it would have been best to deal with the thing through the insurance. Perhaps he did of course. Who knows?

[Keith_M]

T'Rangers now negotiating with Barton's agent for an early release from his contract.


Hope it costs them an absolute fortune... and he still spills the beans.

[magpie1892]

T'Rangers now negotiating with Barton's agent for an early release from his contract.


Hope it costs them an absolute fortune... and he still spills the beans.

Hun offering eight weeks cash up front now on the proviso he gets another club to take him on on similar terms. Far from cut and dried.

However, how has sensitive medical information come into the public domain re: signed off with stress? Can only have been a leak by Monsieur Creosote, and that's a very dangerous game to play.

Barton has damaged Rangers, there's no doubt about that, but the huns' attempts to get rid of him have been shambolic and easily as damaging, if not more so.

If I were Barton and confidential medical information leaked to the press from my employers then I would just say 'sod it', and stay put for the remainder of my contract.

[Dashing Bob S]

Hun offering eight weeks cash up front now on the proviso he gets another club to take him on on similar terms. Far from cut and dried.

However, how has sensitive medical information come into the public domain re: signed off with stress? Can only have been a leak by Monsieur Creosote, and that's a very dangerous game to play.

Barton has damaged Rangers, there's no doubt about that, but the huns' attempts to get rid of him have been shambolic and easily as damaging, if not more so.

If I were Barton and confidential medical information leaked to the press from my employers then I would just say 'sod it', and stay put for the remainder of my contract.

If this is case -and I hope it is- then Barton would be within his rights to slap a (US accent) lawsuit on their asses. Personnel files are meant to be confidential and this might constitute breach of contract on the part of El Stickerinos. But I'm sure Barton and his agent are aware of that and will use it either for further leverage or litigation.

[Smartie]

Hun offering eight weeks cash up front now on the proviso he gets another club to take him on on similar terms. Far from cut and dried.

However, how has sensitive medical information come into the public domain re: signed off with stress? Can only have been a leak by Monsieur Creosote, and that's a very dangerous game to play.

Barton has damaged Rangers, there's no doubt about that, but the huns' attempts to get rid of him have been shambolic and easily as damaging, if not more so.

If I were Barton and confidential medical information leaked to the press from my employers then I would just say 'sod it', and stay put for the remainder of my contract.

If I were a 34 year old soon-to-be-ex-footballer I'd be desperate to get the whole sorry mess behind me and get playing again asap.

You're a long time retired.

Whilst it's good fun for us to watch an odious character and an odious club go hammer and tongs, I can't understand why he'd want to prolong this nonsense.

[Keith_M]

Hun offering eight weeks cash up front now on the proviso he gets another club to take him on on similar terms.


That's a bit pathetic, TBH. I can't see him or his agent agreeing to such a small amount when he's got over 18 months left on his contract.

[Jack Hackett]

Hun offering eight weeks cash up front now on the proviso he gets another club to take him on on similar terms. Far from cut and dried.

However, how has sensitive medical information come into the public domain re: signed off with stress? Can only have been a leak by Monsieur Creosote, and that's a very dangerous game to play.

Barton has damaged Rangers, there's no doubt about that, but the huns' attempts to get rid of him have been shambolic and easily as damaging, if not more so.

If I were Barton and confidential medical information leaked to the press from my employers then I would just say 'sod it', and stay put for the remainder of my contract.

They'll be queuing round the corner for him, right enough :faf:

[CropleyWasGod]

JJ tweeting that JB's payoff is £1m.

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[Keith_M]

JJ tweeting that JB's payoff is £1m.

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Hope he's right, that would be hilarious.

[hibs0666]

JJ tweeting that JB's payoff is £1m.

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JJ is a random madman though.

[CropleyWasGod]

The full article..... which he may or may not be :greengrin

https://johnjamessite.com/

Not sure if "had them over a barrow" is a subtle pun, or just illiteracy....... :cb

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/monsieur-joey-and-that-gob*****-trump/#more-8250


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[Keith_M]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/monsieur-joey-and-that-gob*****-trump/#more-8250 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Page not found

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/monsieur-joey-and-that-gob*****-trump/#more-8250


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.change.org/p/the-scottish-football-association-the-sfa-has-to-respond-to-allegations-of-impropriety-concerning-the-issue-of-uefa-licences?recruiter=45895841&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive


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[Keith_M]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/monsieur-joey-and-that-gob*****-trump/#more-8250


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Same thing.

I think it must be because one of the words in the URL is replaced with ***** when you past it here.


I found it by replacing the ***** with the most obvious word....

[Deansy]

The full article..... which he may or may not be :greengrin

https://johnjamessite.com/

Not sure if "had them over a barrow" is a subtle pun, or just illiteracy....... :cb

'negotiated a £1m pay off, with staggered payments 0f ..........'

Don't do it, Joey - get the LOT up front, in readies, they're NOT to be trusted !!

[Deansy]

Think the swearing-screen prevents the full 'gobsh>te' being printed on Phil Mac's blog

[lapsedhibee]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/monsieur-joey-and-that-gob*****-trump/#more-8250


"Senderos thinks that perhaps he moved too quickly". That'd be a first.

So, so easy to find things to laugh about at the the huns just now. Like shooting fish in a barrow.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I see Barton is due to be on A League Of Their Own this week. I don't usually watch that rubbish but I may sneak a peak this week just to see if he opens his mouth on the The Rangers debacle.

[Keith_M]

I see Barton is due to be on A League Of Their Own this week. I don't usually watch that rubbish but I may sneak a peak this week just to see if he opens his mouth on the The Rangers debacle.


It would be good if he did but I hope he doesn't say anything that breaks the terms of his contract and therefore reduces the payout T'Rangers are obliged to give him.

[surreyhibbie]

It would be good if he did but I hope he doesn't say anything that breaks the terms of his contract and therefore reduces the payout T'Rangers are obliged to give him.

...and he's gone!

[Gingertosser]

I won't believe a word of this until the Daily ****** have given me the proper amounts & timescales as given to them by a certain PR company :rolleyes:

[HoboHarry]

No idea if it is true or not but there is some chatter on JJ's website and on the Scotsman forum that one of the email threats that JJ has received has an IP address close to Hampden. Too good to be true probably but wouldn't it be lovely if......... :greengrin

[Niffy]

JJ ? Emails ?
What have I missed ?

[HoboHarry]

JJ ? Emails ?
What have I missed ?
Apparently JJ gets threatened regularly by email (as does Phil Mac) and he published an offending IP address in his latest blog. Others have claimed that the address is from the area around Hampden. Not my sphere of knowledge so others can verify or deny it.....

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Apparently JJ gets threatened regularly by email (as does Phil Mac) and he published an offending IP address in his latest blog. Others have claimed that the address is from the area around Hampden. Not my sphere of knowledge so others can verify or deny it.....

Someone used a site that uses the longitude and latitude of ip address.

[Billy Whizz]

Think they have an AGM coming up,any fireworks expected

[HoboHarry]

Think they have an AGM coming up,any fireworks expected
There would be if their fans had an IQ worth talking about but as it is I think the event will be carefully stage managed. Interesting to see if the Lying King makes an appearance.....

[Topographic Hibby]

Someone used a site that uses the longitude and latitude of ip address....there are loads of private houses very close to Hampden Stadium, isn't this just typical OF conspiracy nonsense? Mind you, would,be absolutely hilarious if some blazers are giving some bloggers a hard time!!!!

[Billy Whizz]

There would be if their fans had an IQ worth talking about but as it is I think the event will be carefully stage managed. Interesting to see if the Lying King makes an appearance.....

When is it

[HoboHarry]

When is it
Friday I believe.....Black Friday lol.......

[Keith_M]

No idea if it is true or not but there is some chatter on JJ's website and on the Scotsman forum that one of the email threats that JJ has received has an IP address close to Hampden. Too good to be true probably but wouldn't it be lovely if......... :greengrin


I had an IP address for two years that would fit that category, but defo didn't work for the SFA.

The area is surrounded by private housing.

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Has there been any update on JJ's nonsense about DerHun stealing water from a church and owing a fortune in Water Bills?

[HoboHarry]

I had an IP address for two years that would fit that category, but defo didn't work for the SFA.

The area is surrounded by private housing.

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Has there been any update on JJ's nonsense about DerHun stealing water from a church and owing a fortune in Water Bills?
Oddly enough that seems to have evaporated away......:wink:

[hibbypostie]

who is JJ

[HoboHarry]

who is JJ

Really don't know if you are being serious or not by here is his latest blog......

https://johnjamessite.com/

[Ozyhibby]

There is a fair summary of what the main issues are here.
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/rifc-agm-2016/#more-8371



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[ancient hibee]

I had an IP address for two years that would fit that category, but defo didn't work for the SFA.

The area is surrounded by private housing.

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Has there been any update on JJ's nonsense about DerHun stealing water from a church and owing a fortune in Water Bills?
No but there has been a huge drop in Glasgow Catholic baptisms.

[Ozyhibby]

It looks like they will try to get a resolution passed (they failed last year) to sell shares to raise cash. This will dilute existing shareholders stake in the club.


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[hibbypostie]

Really don't know if you are being serious or not by here is his latest blog......

https://johnjamessite.com/


Why wouldn't I be serious sorry I don't know everyones initials but thanks for answering anyway

[HoboHarry]

Why wouldn't I be serious sorry I don't know everyones initials but thanks for answering anyway
Fair enough - is a well known blogger and I thought it might be a whoosh moment for me. Like every blogger and journalist he gets some stuff right and some stuff wrong but I keep up with what he has to say on all matters Sevco.....

[HoboHarry]

It looks like they will try to get a resolution passed (they failed last year) to sell shares to raise cash. This will dilute existing shareholders stake in the club.


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Why would the major players like Park et al agree to that?

[ancient hibee]

Why would the major players like Park et al agree to that?
They would probably turn their loans into shares.

[hibbypostie]

Fair enough - is a well known blogger and I thought it might be a whoosh moment for me. Like every blogger and journalist he gets some stuff right and some stuff wrong but I keep up with what he has to say on all matters Sevco.....


I kept thinking whats Jim Jeffries got to do with it lol

[HoboHarry]

They would probably turn their loans into shares.
Shares in a broken company. Again, why would they do that knowing they will still have to deal with the Lying King? They can't be stupid enough to think he is going to come good.....

[Ozyhibby]

I kept thinking whats Jim Jeffries got to do with it lol

Just happened to be in the Rangers megastore I heard.


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[northstandhibby]

Shares in a broken company. Again, why would they do that knowing they will still have to deal with the Lying King? They can't be stupid enough to think he is going to come good.....

The Lying King is the pretender to the throne. He is a bag carrier who will receive a pay off sometime in the future for the ones who are financing the power moves behind the scenes.

They want to see off MA and are seeking to dilute power bases while strengthening their own.

MA is one big thorn in their ass.

While the Lying King is merely a kiss-ass.

[HoboHarry]

The Lying King is the pretender to the throne. He is a bag carrier who will receive a pay off sometime in the future for the ones who are financing the power moves behind the scenes.

They want to see off MA and are seeking to dilute power bases while strengthening their own.

MA is one big thorn in their ass.

While the Lying King is merely a kiss-ass.

Not really seeing why anyone would need to pay off DK. Is he even due a pay off contractually? If he is, how much would it take and who would provide the funds? If the club doesn't have the funds why would the other directors make what would effectively be a donation to DK?

Also, the shares can be diluted as much as they want but that in itself will not negate the contract with Ashley. That would take liquidation would it not? Maybe CWG can weigh in here, this is not something I am knowledgeable in.....

[northstandhibby]

Not really seeing why anyone would need to pay off DK. Is he even due a pay off contractually? If he is, how much would it take and who would provide the funds? If the club doesn't have the funds why would the other directors make what would effectively be a donation to DK?

Also, the shares can be diluted as much as they want but that in itself will not negate the contract with Ashley. That would take liquidation would it not? Maybe CWG can weigh in here, this is not something I am knowledgeable in.....

The Lying King is just a front for the ones behind the scenes. He is well versed in the dark arts of the financial industry. They want outright control of the power throne without the likes of MA or the Easdale brothers being able to interfere. I was not referring to the contract as that is a different matter altogether and may or may not run it's course.

it is always about power and money.

[CropleyWasGod]

The Lying King is just a front for the ones behind the scenes. He is well versed in the dark arts of the financial industry. They want outright control of the power throne without the likes of MA or the Easdale brothers being able to interfere. I was not referring to the contract as that is a different matter altogether and may or may not run it's course.

it is always about power and money.
Who do you think are the people behind the scenes?

I had always been of the school of thought that DK was in the game to recoup the £20m he lost in the SDM days.

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[northstandhibby]

Who do you think are the people behind the scenes?

I had always been of the school of thought that DK was in the game to recoup the £20m he lost in the SDM days.

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I think you're right in saying Lying King is in it to recoup some of his money but he is merely doing the donkey work for the players behind the scenes.

We will never see the real money men behind the scenes. They like being invisible.

[Kato]

I think you're right in saying Lying King is in it to recoup some of his money but he is merely doing the donkey work for the players behind the scenes.

We will never see the real money men behind the scenes. They like being invisible.

Bollards.

[jacomo]

I think you're right in saying Lying King is in it to recoup some of his money but he is merely doing the donkey work for the players behind the scenes.

We will never see the real money men behind the scenes. They like being invisible.


Putin?


:wink:

[HoboHarry]

Who do you think are the people behind the scenes?

I had always been of the school of thought that DK was in the game to recoup the £20m he lost in the SDM days.

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Pretty much been my belief all along although that said I have to wonder what the end-game is for him now. He is not recouping 20M at this point short of pulling some magnificent rabbit out of the hat which I can't see is possible. So why does he keep going?

[CentreLine]

I think you're right in saying Lying King is in it to recoup some of his money but he is merely doing the donkey work for the players behind the scenes.

We will never see the real money men behind the scenes. They like being invisible.

👻 Spooky

[northstandhibby]

Pretty much been my belief all along although that said I have to wonder what the end-game is for him now. He is not recouping 20M at this point short of pulling some magnificent rabbit out of the hat which I can't see is possible. So why does he keep going?

How was he ever going to recoup £20 million pounds?

Just write himself a contract for that sum was he or ask the accountant to write him a cheque?

[CropleyWasGod]

How was he ever going to recoup £20 million pounds?

Just write himself a contract for that sum was he or ask the accountant to write him a cheque?

Presumably in the belief that, potentially, RFC could generate that much and more. In theoretical terms, not a unreasonable position. However, that was clearly before he became aware of the nonsense that had been going on.

Who do you think is behind him?

[northstandhibby]

Presumably in the belief that, potentially, RFC could generate that much and more. In theoretical terms, not a unreasonable position. However, that was clearly before he became aware of the nonsense that had been going on.

Who do you think is behind him?

The only man who was ever going to make such large amounts of money was the sharpest tool in the box MA who embedded long lucrative retail contracts. King has been issued with a mandate to get rid of MA and Easdales and will do quite well out of it but nowhere near the 20 mill quoted. There are those who are determined to see the rangers back competing but the usual ponzi scheme of luring get quick rich gansta investors to part with their money will still take place.

[CropleyWasGod]

The only man who was ever going to make such large amounts of money was the sharpest tool in the box MA who embedded long lucrative retail contracts. King has been issued with a mandate to get rid of MA and Easdales and will do quite well out of it but nowhere near the 20 mill quoted. There are those who are determined to see the rangers back competing but the usual ponzi scheme of luring get quick rich gansta investors to part with their money will still take place.

Mandated by whom?

[Jack Hackett]

Mandated by whom?

The Illuminati. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

The Illuminati. :greengrin

Jack Ruby's involved also.

[Kato]

Mandated by whom?

We will never know as "they like being invisible" - pretty much like The Tache wanted to be.

[northstandhibby]

It appears my giving my opinion on there being huns with deep pockets who prefer to stay in the background and are waiting for MA and others like the Easdale Brothers to be taken out of the picture is met with ridicule as if my opinion is a conspiracy theory.

Which in itself seems bizarre as we have all learnt what would normally be considered conspiracy theories as factually being true.

For example - The Sfa conspired to allow the old rangers access to UEFA participation while knowing they did not meet the requirements of all tax receipts being up to date which should have led to the SFA informing the huns they could not put them forward to participate and forwarded the teams below instead. - True and not a conspiracy.

There are many other examples of what would normally be considered as being a conspiracy theory as being factually true yet I'm ridiculed for my own opinions.

:rolleyes:

[Kato]

It appears my giving my opinion on there being huns with deep pockets who prefer to stay in the background and are waiting for MA and others like the Easdale Brothers to be taken out of the picture is met with ridicule as if my opinion is a conspiracy theory.

Which in itself seems bizarre as we have all learnt what would normally be considered conspiracy theories as factually being true.

For example - The Sfa conspired to allow the old rangers access to UEFA participation while knowing they did not meet the requirements of all tax receipts being up to date which should have led to the SFA informing the huns they could not put them forward to participate and forwarded the teams below instead. - True and not a conspiracy.

There are many other examples of what would normally be considered as being a conspiracy theory as being factually true yet I'm ridiculed for my own opinions.

:rolleyes:


You're having your leg pulled mate, bit different from ridiculed.

Whatever conspiracy you believe or not there is no proof that are people behind or backing King.

The buck stops with him and until you can come with evidence or names then all it is is your opinion, which is fair game on here as is anyone's.

[northstandhibby]

You're having your leg pulled mate, bit different from ridiculed.

Whatever conspiracy you believe or not there is no proof that are people behind or backing King.

The buck stops with him and until you can come with evidence or names then all it is is your opinion, which is fair game on here as is anyone's.

The evidence is telling us so.

They are attempting again to pass the resolution that will allow them to widen share access without having to offer them to existing shareholders.

Why? Because they are attempting to weaken MA and the Easedale's influence at the club.

They must already have a buyer in mind for the extra shares who will side with them at every opportunity.

The evidence is saying so.

I actually don't mind having my leg pulled or ridiculed, i'm an easy enough going person who enjoy's reasoned debate.

:aok:

[Jack Hackett]

It appears my giving my opinion on there being huns with deep pockets who prefer to stay in the background and are waiting for MA and others like the Easdale Brothers to be taken out of the picture is met with ridicule as if my opinion is a conspiracy theory.

Which in itself seems bizarre as we have all learnt what would normally be considered conspiracy theories as factually being true.

For example - The Sfa conspired to allow the old rangers access to UEFA participation while knowing they did not meet the requirements of all tax receipts being up to date which should have led to the SFA informing the huns they could not put them forward to participate and forwarded the teams below instead. - True and not a conspiracy.

There are many other examples of what would normally be considered as being a conspiracy theory as being factually true yet I'm ridiculed for my own opinions.

:rolleyes:

Stop being so precious. Without proof, it is a theory. It is a theory which presumes a conspiracy. It is therefore, by default, a conspiracy theory...and there was no intention of ridiculing you personally... Sincerely :greengrin

[northstandhibby]

Stop being so precious. Without proof, it is a theory. It is a theory which presumes a conspiracy. It is therefore, by default, a conspiracy theory...and there was no intention of ridiculing you personally... Sincerely :greengrin

Where the huns are concerned we will always be conspiring against them!!!

:cb

:greengrin

[Stonewall]

It appears my giving my opinion on there being huns with deep pockets who prefer to stay in the background and are waiting for MA and others like the Easdale Brothers to be taken out of the picture is met with ridicule as if my opinion is a conspiracy theory.

Which in itself seems bizarre as we have all learnt what would normally be considered conspiracy theories as factually being true.

For example - The Sfa conspired to allow the old rangers access to UEFA participation while knowing they did not meet the requirements of all tax receipts being up to date which should have led to the SFA informing the huns they could not put them forward to participate and forwarded the teams below instead. - True and not a conspiracy.

There are many other examples of what would normally be considered as being a conspiracy theory as being factually true yet I'm ridiculed for my own opinions.

:rolleyes:

Do you have any evidence for this or are you speculating?

Are you suggesting that these powers behind King's throne are the guys providing the soft loans which will subsequently be converted to equity if the 75/ 25 majority allowing them to do so is achieved. Who are these people and why have their names not leaked out into the public domain?

I don't know whether you are correct or not but I don't see how any wrong doing by the SFA in granting Rangers a licence to play in Europe, waving King through the FAP requirements or essentially fixing and misleading the LNS enquiry is evidence of anything other than dishonesty, and the SFA acting in a way to suit their own agenda towards resurrecting Rangers within Scottish Football.

[MrSmith]

There is about 5 international names in a pot who have made soft loans to The Rangers, some Scots dude in Japan and others around the tax havens. We all know there is definitely something/one behind King. I just don't know why people are so interested in wrestling to control and own The Rangers as they are a basket case and have no line of credit from financial institutions.

[HoboHarry]

This is a belter too if it is true........

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/mike-ashley-handed-rangers-megastore-lease-for-1-a-year-1-4298649

[Jack Hackett]

This is a belter too if it is true........

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/mike-ashley-handed-rangers-megastore-lease-for-1-a-year-1-4298649

:faf:

[Gingertosser]

Doesn't sound so bad when you add the fact he gave them a £10m interest free loan to keep them out of another administration/liquidation.....

[HoboHarry]

Doesn't sound so bad when you add the fact he gave them a £10m interest free loan to keep them out of another administration/liquidation.....

I was thinking that Sevco did well - they got 100% of their cash outlay back from buying the club from Minty....... lol.....

[Stonewall]

Am I missing something or just being plain stupid, but is MA actually the tenant here? I thought there was a company (Rangers Retail?) who ran the outlets.

Maybe someone can clarify.

[CropleyWasGod]

Am I missing something or just being plain stupid, but is MA actually the tenant here? I thought there was a company (Rangers Retail?) who ran the outlets.

Maybe someone can clarify.

RR are the tenant, but their Board (last time I looked.... :greengrin) are controlled by MA guys.

[Stonewall]

RR are the tenant, but their Board (last time I looked.... :greengrin) are controlled by MA guys.

But do Rangers not still own RRL? Would make the peppercorn rent a bit more understandable. Just don't take anything in the DR at face value, especially so close to the AGM.

[Bostonhibby]

Wrong post

[greenginger]

The widow t****ie?

What's the world coming to when you can't pay tribute to a pantomime legend without references to a Sherman tank being blocked?!
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You are lucky you don't live in S****horpe !

[Bostonhibby]

You are lucky you don't live in S****horpe !
There's no ***** in S****horpe, just a very decent community football team. And they won't kick off till you leave the pub[emoji481]

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[magpie1892]

But do Rangers not still own RRL? Would make the peppercorn rent a bit more understandable. Just don't take anything in the DR at face value, especially so close to the AGM.

RRL is an English company, 75% owned by MASH (***** Direct/Mike Ashley).

Lovin' it.

[Topographic Hibby]

The one pound rent thing was the front page splash in the DR this morning, duly copy and pasted by copy-boy Jackson from the piece sent to him by Jabba. Placed the day before the AGM to inform TRFC shareholders how bad Ashley is so they can lift their knuckles off the floor and vote through the tax cheat Kings wishes.

Do you remember when newspapers used to uncover scoundrels and expose wrong-doing? Now they are simply complicit in the whole house of cards.

[northstandhibby]

The one pound rent thing was the front page splash in the DR this morning, duly copy and pasted by copy-boy Jackson from the piece sent to him by Jabba. Placed the day before the AGM to inform TRFC shareholders how bad Ashley is so they can lift their knuckles off the floor and vote through the tax cheat Kings wishes.

Do you remember when newspapers used to uncover scoundrels and expose wrong-doing? Now they are simply complicit in the whole house of cards.

:top marks

DR is nothing more than a Hun cheerleading fanzine. They're only interested in the bloo poond.

Don't think their litigation will win as per negligence from David Somers. The decision was made on its own merits at that time to lease it to MA and the contract will have been tighter than a ducks ass.

Got to hand it to MA. Done them up like a stitched kipper.

:greengrin

[brog]

The one pound rent thing was the front page splash in the DR this morning, duly copy and pasted by copy-boy Jackson from the piece sent to him by Jabba. Placed the day before the AGM to inform TRFC shareholders how bad Ashley is so they can lift their knuckles off the floor and vote through the tax cheat Kings wishes.

Do you remember when newspapers used to uncover scoundrels and expose wrong-doing? Now they are simply complicit in the whole house of cards.

Spot on!! Strangely I doubt there will be a mention of the £10m loan which kept this rancid outfit afloat!

[Deansy]

This is a belter too if it is true........

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/mike-ashley-handed-rangers-megastore-lease-for-1-a-year-1-4298649

Regardless if it's true or not, one thing's for certain - the fact that 'The Scotsman' has printed an article based on content from the 'tard' is confirmation that it's time as a 'Genuinely informative and authentic newspaper' is now definitely over

[CallumLaidlaw]

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[Alan62]

Sounds like a load o' bull to me ...

[WoreTheGreen]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161124/b77cff35e5727c49b8ddb08c41f74e92.png


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Red hand bull

[The Pointer]

Damn, beat me to it!

[The Pointer]

Is 'BetVictor' an American? 'Rumors'?

[WoreTheGreen]

Hello hello we are the bully boys

[HoboHarry]

Yet more deflection prior to the AGM tomorrow?

[CropleyWasGod]

Red Bull****?

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[Keith_M]

It appears my giving my opinion on there being huns with deep pockets who prefer to stay in the background and are waiting for MA and others like the Easdale Brothers to be taken out of the picture is met with ridicule as if my opinion is a conspiracy theory.

Which in itself seems bizarre as we have all learnt what would normally be considered conspiracy theories as factually being true.

For example - The Sfa conspired to allow the old rangers access to UEFA participation while knowing they did not meet the requirements of all tax receipts being up to date which should have led to the SFA informing the huns they could not put them forward to participate and forwarded the teams below instead. - True and not a conspiracy.

There are many other examples of what would normally be considered as being a conspiracy theory as being factually true yet I'm ridiculed for my own opinions.

:rolleyes:



Feel free to prove everybody wrong by naming those people behind the scenes that are pulling the strings.

[Bankie]

Red hand bull

The Red Bull

[jgl07]

The Red Bull
Is that worse than a Papal Bull?

[Bankie]

Is that worse than a Papal Bull?

Just thinking about how the media forget their real name is 'The' Rangers

[Keith_M]

Just thinking about how the media forget their real name is 'The' Rangers


Actually, the guy that started this new Club was from Yorkshire, so they're more correctly referred to as T'Rangers.

[Hamish]

Hello hello we are the bully boys
Hello, Hello, you'll know us by our poise,
We're off to buy some caffeine shi*e
Some Buckie and a pie
We are the Sevco RedBull Boys

Repeat till 1690.

[northstandhibby]

Feel free to prove everybody wrong by naming those people behind the scenes that are pulling the strings.

Wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong.

Just giving my opinion like virtually everybody else is.

:aok:

[Bostonhibby]

Hello, Hello, you'll know us by our poise,
We're off to buy some caffeine shi*e
Some Buckie and a pie
We are the Sevco RedBull Boys

Repeat till 1690.
Hello hello, we made a lot of noise

But once Craig and charlie were finished

We surrendered then we died

Now we're Dave's rent boys

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[SuperAllyMcleod]

Hello, Hello, you'll know us by our poise,
We're off to buy some caffeine shi*e
Some Buckie and a pie
We are the Sevco RedBull Boys

Repeat till 1690.

I think you are trying a bit too hard with this one? [emoji3]

[CropleyWasGod]

Wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong.

Just giving my opinion like virtually everybody else is.

:aok:

I'm still unclear as to who you think are the people "behind" King.

The people who are likeliest to benefit from the Resolution 11 being passed tomorrow are those who currently have loans to the club, and who would want to convert those loans to equity. Those people aren't mysteries, they're known publicly.

There is also the "mysterious" Margarita Holdings and Blue Pitch people. Last time I looked, they had their shares suspended by the current regime. So it won't be them.

That leaves the prospect of someone completely new who might want to invest heavily. This from the Evening Times seems to rule that out:- http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/14923827.Rangers_will_have_to_rely_on_emotional_in vestment_in_any_future_share_issue__says_finance_e xpert_Pattullo/

Even if that's wrong, 2 questions are begged:-

1. who?

2. why?

[Hamish]

I think you are trying a bit too hard with this one? [emoji3]

Probably😁

[northstandhibby]

I'm still unclear as to who you think are the people "behind" King.

The people who are likeliest to benefit from the Resolution 11 being passed tomorrow are those who currently have loans to the club, and who would want to convert those loans to equity. Those people aren't mysteries, they're known publicly.

There is also the "mysterious" Margarita Holdings and Blue Pitch people. Last time I looked, they had their shares suspended by the current regime. So it won't be them.

That leaves the prospect of someone completely new who might want to invest heavily. This from the Evening Times seems to rule that out:- http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/14923827.Rangers_will_have_to_rely_on_emotional_in vestment_in_any_future_share_issue__says_finance_e xpert_Pattullo/

Even if that's wrong, 2 questions are begged:-

1. who?

2. why?

I'm over what I said. I was simply theorising. I honestly don't care that much what happens with der hun.

:aok:

[lapsedhibee]

Hello, Hello, you'll know us by our poise,
We're off to buy some caffeine shi*e
Some Buckie and a pie
We are the Sevco RedBull Boys

Repeat till 1690.


I think you are trying a bit too hard with this one? [emoji3]

I liked it.

[Ozyhibby]

I think res 11 is most likely to be about increasing control for those who have loaned to the club already by converting the loans to equity and also about accessing the fans cash through club 1872


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[Marco G]

I think res 11 is most likely to be about increasing control for those who have loaned to the club already by converting the loans to equity and also about accessing the fans cash through club 1872


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Iirc these included loans from some Hong Kong based "fans" with no strings attached other than a presumed desire to see a return on their "investment"

[high bee]

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Ooooft, nice little smokescreen there. Create outrage over a name change and all the other issues are glazed over and could this pave the way to get stuff voted through in terms of share purchases if it's sold as "vote for this to prevent the name change"

[Hibby70]

So they've chosen the logo of an animal that hates being goaded. Makes perfect sense.

[Dashing Bob S]

Forever and ever
We're goading the fools
The Glasgow Rangers
The ready Bulls

[Earl of Currie]

Ooooft, nice little smokescreen there. Create outrage over a name change and all the other issues are glazed over and could this pave the way to get stuff voted through in terms of share purchases if it's sold as "vote for this to prevent the name change"

If the club changes its names and logo through new ownership (but not its bought history obviously) then can it sell its new merchandise at alternate outlets without Mike Ashley getting his hands on the revenue.
As Mike Ashley owns the current trademarks/brands, do these then become obsolete.

[Glesgahibby]

If the club changes its names and logo through new ownership (but not its bought history obviously) then can it sell its new merchandise at alternate outlets without Mike Ashley getting his hands on the revenue.
As Mike Ashley owns the current trademarks/brands, do these then become obsolete.
I think only rangers retail limited can make that call.
they would still have to get rid of MAs influence from the RRL board.

[Keith_M]

Wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong.

Just giving my opinion like virtually everybody else is.

:aok:



You have a conspiracy theory that says there are people behind the throne, People don't believe you and are giving you some grief, which you objected to.

The simplest thing for you to do would be to say who these people are and prove you know what you're talking about.


If you don't, the only only reasonable assumption is that you just made it up, no?

:dunno:



EDIT: I just noticed your post where you now say you were just 'theorizing'.

[northstandhibby]

You have a conspiracy theory that says there are people behind the throne, People don't believe you and are giving you some grief, which you objected to.

The simplest thing for you to do would be to say who these people are and prove you know what you're talking about.


If you don't, the only only reasonable assumption is that you just made it up, no?

:dunno:



EDIT: I just noticed your post where you now say you were just 'theorizing'.

I was indeed theorising. I have no inside knowledge of the inner criminal minds of King and his buddies.

Like most people looking at what's going at bits of information and trying to assess what's really going on.

As usual we won't get it from the msm.

What's clear is King did not have the 30 mill over investment. He is being propped up by the ones we know of.

There is an mighty tussle afoot to weaken some (MA/Easdales) while strengthening others (Kings buddies) within the corporate structure.

My theory of them clearing out MA/Easdales and once they do there will certainly be others at that point who will make more money available but only once the throne is settled seems logical enough.

It's a rough puff explanation but nether the less probably roughly true i'd imagine.

Was just giving a personal viewpoint without going into details of which i'm not privy to.

:aok:

[Ozyhibby]

If Red Bull were to take over and do what they did to Salzburg then I don't think I could cope.
Watching Sevconians try to explain how they are the same club even though the last one went bust, they have a new name, new badge, new club colours and play at the red bull arena would be just too funny. Please make this happen.


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[greenginger]

If Red Bull were to take over and do what they did to Salzburg then I don't think I could cope.
Watching Sevconians try to explain how they are the same club even though the last one went bust, they have a new name, new badge, new club colours and play at the red bull arena would be just too funny. Please make this happen.


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But what would be in it for Red Bull ? Imagine a Red Bull/Buckfast combo !

It would be rocket fuel. :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

If Red Bull were to take over and do what they did to Salzburg then I don't think I could cope.
Watching Sevconians try to explain how they are the same club even though the last one went bust, they have a new name, new badge, new club colours and play at the red bull arena would be just too funny. Please make this happen.


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New name you say? How about Glasgow strangers?

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[northstandhibby]

New name you say? How about Glasgow strangers?

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:faf:

Most of them from the big hoose are very strange indeed.

[greenginger]

Live updates from the RIFC AGM.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-agm-live-updates-dave-9310776

Courtesy of the Daily Ranger .

[Moulin Yarns]

Live updates from the RIFC AGM.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-agm-live-updates-dave-9310776

Courtesy of the Daily Ranger .

A better link here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/scotland/38102300

[Moulin Yarns]

Rangers AGM delayed by 10 minutes due to the volume of people registering to gain access to the event at the Clyde Auditorium.

[greenginger]

BBC link running slow. King already announcing " Rangers can do a Leicester " :greengrin

[jacomo]

A better link here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/scotland/38102300

Why does Dave King look so uncomfortable in a suit? Like a jakey due in court.

[northstandhibby]

BBC link running slow. King already announcing " Rangers can do a Leicester " :greengrin

Think King got his spelling wrong. He really meant Lester as in Lester Piggott and continue to be a tax fraudster.

Freudian slip methinks.

[jacomo]

BBC link running slow. King already announcing " Rangers can do a Leicester " :greengrin

Yes they will probably avoid relegation this season but can they really push for the title next season?

Leicester have a much longer history than Sevco and had some previous success - such as LC win under Martin O'Neill.

Sevco haven't won any top level silverware.

:devil:

[Deansy]

Live updates from the RIFC AGM.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-agm-live-updates-dave-9310776

Courtesy of the Daily Ranger .

'Celtic have won titles when Rangers have spent more'

Ah yes, and we all know exactly HOW the Hun managed to spend more - in fact, if you took away the 'success' under Murray, then they would probably have done a '3rd Lanark' as prior to the big-money being introduced, times were very lean for them !

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/RangersAGM?src=tren

[greenginger]

Rangers confirm they will enter the Scottish Cup this season :confused:

Still whinging about the last final and not happy the way it was dealt with.

[grunt]

Rangers confirm they will enter the Scottish Cup this season :confused:

Still whinging about the last final and not happy the way it was dealt with.

Q: Scottish Cup final led to "threat of violence" to players. Assure risk removed? #RangersAGM (https://twitter.com/hashtag/RangersAGM?src=hash)

[lapsedhibee]

Rangers confirm they will enter the Scottish Cup this season

:faf: :faf: :faf:

[northstandhibby]

Rangers confirm they will enter the Scottish Cup this season :confused:

Still whinging about the last final and not happy the way it was dealt with.

I'm sure they aren't happy at how it was dealt with. The referee should have awarded them soft penalties or the game should have been declared null and void when they realised they had been beaten fair and square by the far better team. Or Raygun should have ignored the result and handed them the cup anyhow.

What a sad bunch of delusionists. Their support wrecked Manchester City Centre yet they are playing a victims card because a few thousand hibs fans entered the pitch in over exuberation.

:rolleyes:

[brog]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/RangersAGM?src=tren

Interesting to see Jabba Traynor coming down the steps behind the board members then he seems to disappear, quite a feat that! What a loathsome individual!

[KeithTheHibby]

Rangers confirm they will enter the Scottish Cup this season :confused:

Still whinging about the last final and not happy the way it was dealt with.

****ing greeting faced scrotes they are. They really need to get over this.

[Ozyhibby]

Another reason they may be anxious to see res 11 passed is for their license to play in Europe. If they can't convert the £14m in loans into equity then it's unlikely they will pass UEFA FFP rules.


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[Marco G]

Another reason they may be anxious to see res 11 passed is for their license to play in Europe. If they can't convert the £14m in loans into equity then it's unlikely they will pass UEFA FFP rules.


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Ah, there is always a reason that is not too obvious, but maybe the SFA can help them out again with this tricky little problem!

[northstandhibby]

I understand they were referring to being 'back' and 'returning the club to being one of the greatest in the world'.

It must be horrible to know what you are saying is a lie.

They are not 'back' or if they are they are merely vindicating the 'zombie' reference.

Why can't they just be honest and admit they are a newish four year old entity?

Being honest is good for the soul.

[CyberSauzee]

Interesting to see Jabba Traynor coming down the steps behind the board members then he seems to disappear, quite a feat that! What a loathsome individual!

I can imagine Traynor paraphrasing Henry Ford when briefing the hacks: "You can print anything you like, as long as it's what I tell you."

[CropleyWasGod]

Oldco is sick of Newco hogging the headlines, so.....

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930423.Rangers_oldco_administrators_launch_legal _action_against_Chief_Constable__Procurator_Fiscal _and_Lord_Advocate/

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[northstandhibby]

Oldco is sick of Newco hogging the headlines, so.....

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930423.Rangers_oldco_administrators_launch_legal _action_against_Chief_Constable__Procurator_Fiscal _and_Lord_Advocate/

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Oldco Administrators v A Bunch O Masons.

Could be interesting viewing. I assume they are livid about being wrongfully arrested or an illegal search and seizure of documents by size 10 jackbooted Police Scotland Officers and the damage done to their ahem reputations?

[Famous Fiver]

Pretty sad that such a rancid institution is sitting second in the Scottish league. Borrowing money hand over fist from individuals and nowhere near Fair Play regulations. Fancy footwork needed to shoehorn them into European football next season.

SFA and SPFL choose to ignore it. Shows how bent and corrupt our powers that be are.

[CropleyWasGod]

Resolution 11 has been defeated.

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[Treadstone]

Resolution 11 has been defeated.


Super Ally getting the heat of Traynors breath via the Level 5 view as charitably covered by what passes for the nations print media.

[northstandhibby]

Resolution 11 has been defeated.

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Is that the one attempting to offer shares without offering them to existing shareholders?

[CropleyWasGod]

Is that the one attempting to offer shares without offering them to existing shareholders?
Yep. The attempt to sideline Ashley.

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[northstandhibby]

Yep. The attempt to sideline Ashley.

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Thanks.

I assume its back to the soft loans from the 3 Bears to keep the lights on........

[greenginger]

They got through a resolution allowing them to issue more shares in line with existing individual shareholdings.

I think the board could do a debt for equity swop for some of their loans, but to keep their percentage holding Ashley and the Easdales would have to put in fresh cash.

Would they have the stomach to hand over more money to King and Co. ?

[Ozyhibby]

They got through a resolution allowing them to issue more shares in line with existing individual shareholdings.

I think the board could do a debt for equity swop for some of their loans, but to keep their percentage holding Ashley and the Easdales would have to put in fresh cash.

Would they have the stomach to hand over more money to King and Co. ?

If Ashley does put in more cash then it has the potential to increase his power if people like McCoist, smith etc don't put money in( they have only ever taken money out of Ibrox and won't understand the concept of it working the other way).
That means that this becomes risky for King.
3 bears unlikely to put more cash in, they sat out the last fundraising when they had to go to Hong Kong and expected their loans to be converted to equity by now.



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[Marco G]

If Ashley does put in more cash then it has the potential to increase his power if people like McCoist, smith etc don't put money in( they have only ever taken money out of Ibrox and won't understand the concept of it working the other way).
That means that this becomes risky for King.
3 bears unlikely to put more cash in, they sat out the last fundraising when they had to go to Hong Kong and expected their loans to be converted to equity by now.



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So it could backfire bigtime and the resolution they did want to succeed has failed! Not happy days for them, given they still are spending a lot more than they earn.

[JeMeSouviens]

Super Ally getting the heat of Traynors breath via the Level 5 view as charitably covered by what passes for the nations print media.

"Who are these people/shareholders?" - fly with the craws and all that. :wink:

[lapsedhibee]

the heat of Traynors breath
Ugh - the very thought of having his pneumostome close enough to sense :ill:

[CropleyWasGod]

"Who are these people/shareholders?" - fly with the craws and all that. :wink:

I have a bit of sympathy for AM here.

It was a secret vote, and as such should be kept between the shareholder and the Company Secretary. It certainly shouldn't be leaked to a "newspaper".

And why just him? What about the other small shareholders who voted against the Resolution?

If I were him, I'd be having a word with my solicitor. Tie the *******s up in another Court case, Ally :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I have a bit of sympathy for AM here.

It was a secret vote, and as such should be kept between the shareholder and the Company Secretary. It certainly shouldn't be leaked to a "newspaper".

And why just him? What about the other small shareholders who voted against the Resolution?

If I were him, I'd be having a word with my solicitor. Tie the *******s up in another Court case, Ally :greengrin

What is the story about Super Ally? Apologies if explained in thread.

[CropleyWasGod]

What is the story about Super Ally? Apologies if explained in thread.

The DR (yeah, I know) are running a story that suggests that AM abstained in the vote on Resolution 11. Had he voted for it, it would have passed.

[southern hibby]

I have a bit of sympathy for AM here.

It was a secret vote, and as such should be kept between the shareholder and the Company Secretary. It certainly shouldn't be leaked to a "newspaper".

And why just him? What about the other small shareholders who voted against the Resolution?

If I were him, I'd be having a word with my solicitor. Tie the *******s up in another Court case, Ally :greengrin

I agree 100% with you. However ( if I'm not mistaken) was it not AM who asked for total transparency in finding out who goes against the Rangers?
So if he took them to court surely he would be seen as a hypocrite.

Ahh never mind AM take them to court, I've called you a lot worse than a hypocrite and it's never done you any harm.

GGTTH

[northstandhibby]

The DR (yeah, I know) are running a story that suggests that AM abstained in the vote on Resolution 11. Had he voted for it, it would have passed.

Dear Mr McCoist,

You are no longer welcome at your lodge. Please send (not hand in as we do not want you within 10 miles of it) back your blindfold, ceremonial dagger and your trousers with one leg shorter than the other.

Just be thankful we no longer cut out traitors tongues with the dagger. However there is now a curse upon you and your nearest and dearest so expect to be blacklisted from all institutions including our four year old newco.

You traitorous swine.

Best wishes,

The Grand Lodge.

[JeMeSouviens]

I have a bit of sympathy for AM here.

It was a secret vote, and as such should be kept between the shareholder and the Company Secretary. It certainly shouldn't be leaked to a "newspaper".

And why just him? What about the other small shareholders who voted against the Resolution?

If I were him, I'd be having a word with my solicitor. Tie the *******s up in another Court case, Ally :greengrin

I agree but have no sympathy. McCoist complaining would be rank hypocrisy ...

http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers/a-week-of-hate-abuse-threats-1-2272412

[JimBHibees]

The DR (yeah, I know) are running a story that suggests that AM abstained in the vote on Resolution 11. Had he voted for it, it would have passed.

Ok thanks. How would they know and was it only stopped by one vote?

[CropleyWasGod]

Ok thanks. How would they know and was it only stopped by one vote?

...because the DR conducted the vote, FFS.

Do keep up.

:greengrin

[HoboHarry]

Tomorrows blogs from Phil Mac and JJ should be a hoot..... :greengrin

[mvteng]

The DR (yeah, I know) are running a story that suggests that AM abstained in the vote on Resolution 11. Had he voted for it, it would have passed.

"It is unclear why McCoist failed to vote. If Resolution 11 was passed, it would have seen his shareholding diluted by half"

That's an actual word for word quote from the DR story(Sorry). Unbelievable that anyone (never mind a journalist) could write that

[JimBHibees]

...because the DR conducted the vote, FFS.

Do keep up.

:greengrin

They do provide an invaluable service for your thicker than average Bear. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

"It is unclear why McCoist failed to vote. If Resolution 11 was passed, it would have seen his shareholding diluted by half"

That's an actual word for word quote from the DR story(Sorry). Unbelievable that anyone (never mind a journalist) could write that

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It's hard to believe that is an actual sentence by a trained journo.



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[brog]

It looks as if Gary Ralston has replaced Jackshun as Traynor's lapdog! Perhaps they think this will give the story some credibility!! :wink:

[JimBHibees]

It looks as if Gary Ralston has replaced Jackshun as Traynor's lapdog! Perhaps they think this will give the story some credibility!! :wink:

Is there not a whole raft of tabloid media sorts that used to work for Rangers news?

[brog]

Is there not a whole raft of tabloid media sorts that used to work for Rangers news?

I believe so but didn't think Ralston was one of them. I've no doubt someone more knowledgeable re MSM will enlighten us.

[Alan62]

Maybe they didn't know what 'diluted' meant.

[Hibby70]

Maybe diluted and half are two negatives meaning a positive.

[oldbutdim]

I believe so but didn't think Ralston was one of them. I've no doubt someone more knowledgeable re MSM will enlighten us.

He started his 'professional career' at a Hunzine.

:agree:

[JeMeSouviens]

He started his 'professional career' at a Hunzine.

:agree:

... and hasn't got any further. :rolleyes:

[hibbysam]

Just seen the resolutions on their website, all of their directors re-elected with around 87.5% of the vote while King didn't even receive 75% of the vote... King on a shoogly peg already or is it looking too far into it? Just very strange as 13% is a lot of votes.

[ancient hibee]

Just seen the resolutions on their website, all of their directors re-elected with around 87.5% of the vote while King didn't even receive 75% of the vote... King on a shoogly peg already or is it looking too far into it? Just very strange as 13% is a lot of votes.


What percentage does Ashley hold?

[CropleyWasGod]

What percentage does Ashley hold?
Slightly less than 9% IIRC

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[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-only-able-play-europe-9360873

For those that won't read the DR:-

Rangers will have to ask UEFA for special dispensation to play in Europe next season due to their failure to meet Financial Fair Play regulations.

Club licensing rules state that losses over the most recent three-year period shouldn’t exceed £4,265,000 – and Gers have lost £18.9million since 2014.

UEFA do allow a deficit during that time frame to reach £25.9million but only “if such excess is entirely covered by contributions from equity participants and/or related parties”.

But an SFA source confirmed that Rangers would need to prove to UEFA that they can reduce their losses and continue as a going concern if they qualify for Europe.

He said: “I suspect that UEFA would grant special dispensation to them because there have been several instances of other clubs, in similar circumstances, being permitted to participate.



Rangers’ latest accounts disclosed they had required £2.9m in soft loans from directors since the end of the financial year and that more will be needed to complete the current campaign.

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-only-able-play-europe-9360873

For those that won't read the DR:-

Rangers will have to ask UEFA for special dispensation to play in Europe next season due to their failure to meet Financial Fair Play regulations.

Club licensing rules state that losses over the most recent three-year period shouldn’t exceed £4,265,000 – and Gers have lost £18.9million since 2014.

UEFA do allow a deficit during that time frame to reach £25.9million but only “if such excess is entirely covered by contributions from equity participants and/or related parties”.

But an SFA source confirmed that Rangers would need to prove to UEFA that they can reduce their losses and continue as a going concern if they qualify for Europe.

He said: “I suspect that UEFA would grant special dispensation to them because there have been several instances of other clubs, in similar circumstances, being permitted to participate.



Rangers’ latest accounts disclosed they had required £2.9m in soft loans from directors since the end of the financial year and that more will be needed to complete the current campaign.

Surely it would be difficult for them to be able to say they would reduce their losses when the chairman is saying they intend to continue running a deficit?
It's up to Hearts and Aberdeen to step up to the plate here. It's them who will miss out if the SFA wave them through. What's the point of FFP rules if they are to be ignored?


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[CropleyWasGod]

Surely it would be difficult for them to be able to say they would reduce their losses when the chairman is saying they intend to continue running a deficit?
It's up to Hearts and Aberdeen to step up to the plate here. It's them who will miss out if the SFA wave them through. What's the point of FFP rules if they are to be ignored?


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As we've discussed before, these rules are bloody difficult to follow.

Based on that DR piece (yeah, i know :greengrin), I would suggest that the "excess" they have to cover is "only" £7m. Given that they've paid in £2.9m of that already, it's not too much of a stretch to get the rest, especially if it means that they're going to have European football.

Anyways, I'm suspicious about the timing of this story. There's a long way to go before the end of the season. Of more pressing importance is the latest MA court case. Any news? :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

As we've discussed before, these rules are bloody difficult to follow.

Based on that DR piece (yeah, i know :greengrin), I would suggest that the "excess" they have to cover is "only" £7m. Given that they've paid in £2.9m of that already, it's not too much of a stretch to get the rest, especially if it means that they're going to have European football.

Anyways, I'm suspicious about the timing of this story. There's a long way to go before the end of the season. Of more pressing importance is the latest MA court case. Any news? :greengrin

Tomorrow I believe. No idea what it's about though other than he wants £1m for breach of contract. With Sevco openly encouraging retail sales of the Lion Brand etc then he surely has a case but unless he improves his legal team I can't see him winning.


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[Ozyhibby]

As we've discussed before, these rules are bloody difficult to follow.

Based on that DR piece (yeah, i know :greengrin), I would suggest that the "excess" they have to cover is "only" £7m. Given that they've paid in £2.9m of that already, it's not too much of a stretch to get the rest, especially if it means that they're going to have European football.

Anyways, I'm suspicious about the timing of this story. There's a long way to go before the end of the season. Of more pressing importance is the latest MA court case. Any news? :greengrin

Could the timing be down to the loss of the res11 vote? If they had won that they could have converted all those loans into equity and been well within FFP guidelines (£25m losses if equity finance) as opposed to £15m losses if loans?



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[Ozyhibby]

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[MrSmith]

I'm not so sure EUFA will allow them if there is no proof of going concern. Celtic and Resolution 12 has put a bloody great thorn in the side of 'just make it happen' (SFA) therefore, think or I would guess due diligence, history and careful consideration of res12, EUFA will deny them next year. I also don't think they will finish in the top four.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not so sure EUFA will allow them if there is no proof of going concern. Celtic and Resolution 12 has put a bloody great thorn in the side of 'just make it happen' (SFA) therefore, think or I would guess due diligence, history and careful consideration of res12, EUFA will deny them next year. I also don't think they will finish in the top four.

I think they will finish third or second.
They also have a going concern qualification on their accounts.
I think it's the SFA who do the licensing for UEFA.


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[Ozyhibby]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14935644.Sports_Direct_accuse_Rangers_of__incorrec t_and_spurious__claims_to_regain_trademarks/


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[northstandhibby]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14935644.Sports_Direct_accuse_Rangers_of__incorrec t_and_spurious__claims_to_regain_trademarks/


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Upon reading the article in isolation from any bias against the new huns is that the new huns don't have a leg to stand on.

It would appear they have set out to sabotage a legally binding commercial agreement from 2012 by backdoor means.

Could be trouble ahead for the new huns?

[Ozyhibby]

http://stv.tv/sport/football/1374309-explained-will-rangers-need-approval-to-play-in-europe/?utm_content=buffer2431e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


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[CropleyWasGod]

Could the timing be down to the loss of the res11 vote? If they had won that they could have converted all those loans into equity and been well within FFP guidelines (£25m losses if equity finance) as opposed to £15m losses if loans?



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Perhaps they are putting this out there now to concentrate people's minds (eg Super Ally). It is possible that they could have another vote in the Spring.

[northstandhibby]

Perhaps they are putting this out there now to concentrate people's minds (eg Super Ally). It is possible that they could have another vote in the Spring.

You think they might let Sally back into their brethren if he wobbles come a re-run vote?

:duck:

[Is It On....]

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It's hard to believe that is an actual sentence by a trained journo.



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From memory, any shares issued by Rangers2012 have to be offered to all shareholders. It means that King has to offer Ashley the chance to buy up to 9% (his current ownership) at the price offered. Basically means that King and the Three Bears have to "pony up" in relation to their current shareholding of risk being diluted themselves.

[CropleyWasGod]

From memory, any shares issued by Rangers2012 have to be offered to all shareholders. It means that King has to offer Ashley the chance to buy up to 9% (his current ownership) at the price offered. Basically means that King and the Three Bears have to "pony up" in relation to their current shareholding of risk being diluted themselves.
That was the point of Resolution 11. To get rid of that requirement.

I think Res11 will become Res1 pretty soon [emoji48]

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[Is It On....]

That was the point of Resolution 11. To get rid of that requirement.

I think Res11 will become Res1 pretty soon [emoji48]

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Ironically, King was against this when Chuckles Green tried to do the same..

[CropleyWasGod]

Tomorrow I believe. No idea what it's about though other than he wants £1m for breach of contract. With Sevco openly encouraging retail sales of the Lion Brand etc then he surely has a case but unless he improves his legal team I can't see him winning.


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Been postponed until March .

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[ballengeich]

There's a rumour that Warburton offered his resignation after last night's game. I suspect he's already got a new job - leader of UKIP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Warburton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Nuttall

[Oscar T Grouch]

Spoke to a guy this morning who claims to be in the know in regards to the the rangers. He says that the red bull deal would inject a huge amount of cash into the club but there's two sticking points, naming rights for the team and ibrox and the Ashley deal, which is why they are so desperate to rid themselves of the Sports Direct deal. He said the naming rights aren't an issue as long as rangers and ibrox are included in the new names but the Ashley thing might stop the deal going through.

I only just met the guy this morning so it could all be BS but it's always nice to pass on stuff you hear from the orc followers 😂

[Bostonhibby]

Spoke to a guy this morning who claims to be in the know in regards to the the rangers. He says that the red bull deal would inject a huge amount of cash into the club but there's two sticking points, naming rights for the team and ibrox and the Ashley deal, which is why they are so desperate to rid themselves of the Sports Direct deal. He said the naming rights aren't an issue as long as rangers and ibrox are included in the new names but the Ashley thing might stop the deal going through.

I only just met the guy this morning so it could all be BS but it's always nice to pass on stuff you hear from the orc followers 😂
Guessing red bull would have to be comfortable with aligning their worldwide brand with all that sectarian hate and the concept of the fans rejoicing in being "up to their knees in fenian blood".

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[Oscar T Grouch]

Guessing red bull would have to be comfortable with aligning their worldwide brand with all that sectarian hate and the concept of the fans rejoicing in being "up to their knees in fenian blood".

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The the rangers fans are blind to this, but their social media active rivals from celtc park will no doubt let them know 😂😂.
Personally I can't imagine RB going near the orcs but you never know.

[Bostonhibby]

The the rangers fans are blind to this, but their social media active rivals from celtc park will no doubt let them know 😂😂.
Personally I can't imagine RB going near the orcs but you never know.
Maybe one of trumps businesses will be interested?

Many "synergies" here and changing their name to the Trumpets isn't that much of a leap.

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[Oscar T Grouch]

Maybe one of trumps businesses will be interested?

Many "synergies" here and changing their name to the Trumpets isn't that much of a leap.

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🎺s what a great name for them 😂😂

[greenginger]

Guessing red bull would have to be comfortable with aligning their worldwide brand with all that sectarian hate and the concept of the fans rejoicing in being "up to their knees in fenian blood".

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The Red Bull-s**t Arena has a certain ring to it ! :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

This is worth a read, especially the bit about Sevco.
http://www.sportslawscotland.co.uk/?m=1



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[Jim44]

This is worth a read, especially the bit about Sevco.
http://www.sportslawscotland.co.uk/?m=1

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It'll be interesting to see what happens at the end of the season if and when Sevco qualify for Europe. This bit suggests that they might be alright -

UEFA may choose (and possibly likely they will) to offer a settlement agreement, under Article 15, in a bid to allow the club to financially rehabilitate themselves and set out a 'roadmap' to reach break even, in the foreseeable future. This will allow the club to compete in competitions.

Also, in theory, Sevco have the Lying King's £30m (:faf:) warchest in reserve which might mitigate any bother they find themselves in.



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[greenginger]

It'll be interesting to see what happens at the end of the season if and when Sevco qualify for Europe. This bit suggests that they might be alright -

UEFA may choose (and possibly likely they will) to offer a settlement agreement, under Article 15, in a bid to allow the club to financially rehabilitate themselves and set out a 'roadmap' to reach break even, in the foreseeable future. This will allow the club to compete in competitions.

Also, in theory, Sevco have the Lying King's £30m (:faf:) warchest in reserve which might mitigate any bother they find themselves in.



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" Rehabilitate themselves " ? to what, they've only got 4 years of accounts and they show nothing but accumulating losses.

They are not going to flag up old Co. with their massive tax debts.

[Greenworld]

Red bull hibees sounds fine to me why not buy hibs

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[Ozyhibby]

It'll be interesting to see what happens at the end of the season if and when Sevco qualify for Europe. This bit suggests that they might be alright -

UEFA may choose (and possibly likely they will) to offer a settlement agreement, under Article 15, in a bid to allow the club to financially rehabilitate themselves and set out a 'roadmap' to reach break even, in the foreseeable future. This will allow the club to compete in competitions.

Also, in theory, Sevco have the Lying King's £30m (:faf:) warchest in reserve which might mitigate any bother they find themselves in.



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In theory that could work but I can't see them being able to stick with any plan that sees them break even. To do that with their high cost base means a squad budget about the same size as us, Aberdeen and Hearts.


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[northstandhibby]

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His thinking appears to be the new huns are very possibly planning for an administration event to take place due to cash flow problems and would rid them off MA's contracts. It would make some sense but it could also be a very risky business.

Could they overcome a 25 point penalty to avoid relegation? Possibly but I would hope not.

Of course they could claim to be a new club and if accepted it would be reduced to a 15 point penalty?

[Moulin Yarns]

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His thinking appears to be the new huns are very possibly planning for an administration event to take place due to cash flow problems and would rid them off MA's contracts. It would make some sense but it could also be a very risky business.

Could they overcome a 25 point penalty to avoid relegation? Possibly but I would hope not.

Of course they could claim to be a new club and if accepted it would be reduced to a 15 point penalty?


I'm sure it has been mentioned before, possibly CWG, but administration wouldn't work to get rid of MA, it would need to be the full fat liquidation. I might be imagining it though.

[Jack Hackett]

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His thinking appears to be the new huns are very possibly planning for an administration event to take place due to cash flow problems and would rid them off MA's contracts. It would make some sense but it could also be a very risky business.

Could they overcome a 25 point penalty to avoid relegation? Possibly but I would hope not.

Of course they could claim to be a new club and if accepted it would be reduced to a 15 point penalty?

Does the 25 pt penalty for re-administration not end in Feb...or does the rule apply from when you come out of it?

[CropleyWasGod]

Does the 25 pt penalty for re-administration not end in Feb...or does the rule apply from when you come out of it?

Here's the rule:-

Where a Club, whether owned and operated by the same or a different person and
whether such person or persons is or was a Member, has taken, suffered or been
subject to an Insolvency Event which resulted in a deduction of points in terms of
these Rules, whether a Deductible Insolvency Event or not, or in terms of the SFL
Rules and within 5 years of the date of such Insolvency Event which resulted in a
deduction of points takes, suffers or is subject to a Deductible Insolvency Event the
15 and 5 points deductions applicable in terms of Rules E2 or E3, in respect of such
a Deductible Insolvency Event shall instead be 25 and 15 points respectively.

The emphasis is mine.

Reading that, I would think that the relevant date is February 2012, which is when they went into the Administration that cost them 10 points. It could be argued that they then suffered a further Insolvency Event, in that they went into liquidation. However, they weren't deducted points for that.

It looks like, if they can make it past February, the deduction will be 15.

[greenginger]

Here's the rule:-

Where a Club, whether owned and operated by the same or a different person and
whether such person or persons is or was a Member, has taken, suffered or been
subject to an Insolvency Event which resulted in a deduction of points in terms of
these Rules, whether a Deductible Insolvency Event or not, or in terms of the SFL
Rules and within 5 years of the date of such Insolvency Event which resulted in a
deduction of points takes, suffers or is subject to a Deductible Insolvency Event the
15 and 5 points deductions applicable in terms of Rules E2 or E3, in respect of such
a Deductible Insolvency Event shall instead be 25 and 15 points respectively.

The emphasis is mine.

Reading that, I would think that the relevant date is February 2012, which is when they went into the Administration that cost them 10 points. It could be argued that they then suffered a further Insolvency Event, in that they went into liquidation. However, they weren't deducted points for that.

It looks like, if they can make it past February, the deduction will be 15.


Of course, it could be argued that the insolvency event of Rangers 1872 is still ongoing at the liquidation scrapyard and the 5 year period should not start until it is finally laid to rest.

But only if they are the same Club ! :greengrin

[Jack Hackett]

Here's the rule:-

Where a Club, whether owned and operated by the same or a different person and
whether such person or persons is or was a Member, has taken, suffered or been
subject to an Insolvency Event which resulted in a deduction of points in terms of
these Rules, whether a Deductible Insolvency Event or not, or in terms of the SFL
Rules and within 5 years of the date of such Insolvency Event which resulted in a
deduction of points takes, suffers or is subject to a Deductible Insolvency Event the
15 and 5 points deductions applicable in terms of Rules E2 or E3, in respect of such
a Deductible Insolvency Event shall instead be 25 and 15 points respectively.

The emphasis is mine.

Reading that, I would think that the relevant date is February 2012, which is when they went into the Administration that cost them 10 points. It could be argued that they then suffered a further Insolvency Event, in that they went into liquidation. However, they weren't deducted points for that.

It looks like, if they can make it past February, the deduction will be 15.

I think we can take it as given that they will 'do a hertz' and ensure a favourable outcome for themselves.

[northstandhibby]

Of course, it could be argued that the insolvency event of Rangers 1872 is still ongoing at the liquidation scrapyard and the 5 year period should not start until it is finally laid to rest.

But only if they are the same Club ! :greengrin

I think the reality is they don't have to wait until February as a new club they would only be subject to the 15 point penalty. Maybe they will try to pull our legs again

:rolleyes:

:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

I think the reality is they don't have to wait until February as a new club they would only be subject to the 15 point penalty. Maybe they will try to pull our legs again

:rolleyes:

:greengrin

The rules are quite clear. Where a Club, whether owned and operated by the same or a different person

The new club/old club argument is irrelevant on this point.