Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[twiceinathens]

Regretfully against all logic I can still see laws and regulations being severely bent and even broken to allow them to escape relatively unscathed, but I am beginning to hope that maybe, just maybe.......

[Leithenhibby]

Let's wait for the appeal first. I can see the transfer embargo changing to the summer only or being dropped completely.

I'm not so sure it will be dropped completely, as it would just stir the rest of the fans up into a frenzy.. :agree:

My Dad always said " let sleeping dogs lie" This will be tomorrow's "Chip Wrapper" :greengrin

[Gettin' Auld]

Does anyone know what the Fine Red was that usually accompanied the Succulent Lamb? :dunno:

I think I might save up and get a bottle ready to celebrate the great day when it arrives. :greengrin

I believe that it was Buckfast!!

[JeMeSouviens]

They are appealling....(cue the Carry On joke)

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2746199

Revolting, Shirley?

[Since90+2]

Its all over rangers media and spreading onto social networking sites. We hear of planned protests that never happen but yeah the plan this time is a march to spoil the SFAs 'showpiece'.

One hun: "police wont allow it. nor should we ruin hearts day out at the final." Hunnery love......

Great. Move the game to Murayfield and have them all protest outside an empty ground or they can take a long walk along the M8 :greengrin

[CentreLine]

Putting my very cynical head on which is basically that nothing is done here that can't be a way of helping Rangers .....

Does the 160k fine just make the SFA another non-HMRC creditor and so push HMRC towards sub 25%, so a CVA is easier?

The transfer ban - maybe the powers that be want to be seen to be doing something, so have asked RFC if they believe their youngsters are good enough to stay in in SPL, albeit in the bottom half, for a year. The caveat being that if they are really struggling, they could appeal the ban in time for it to be reduced in time for January so they can get a few guys in to save them.

If Sky want to keep their '4 games a year' deal, but it's possible that RFC are bottom 6, then maybe - oooh what a coincidence - there is a cup tie tha could be shown?

I just can't help think that in 1 year's time RFC will be doing OK.

:agree:

Okay, on the face of it the SFA seem to have handed down maximum penalties for each of the offences proven. However, I can’t help myself being dragged down the conspiracy route. After all, for my entire football supporting life the authorities have never done anything that was not for the benefit of the OF.

So, the SFA have done all they could do in the circumstances and handed down maximum penalties. Actually I think this is smoke and mirrors. The SFA must be walking the thinnest of tight ropes right now between trying to look after their beloved and perceived cash-cow, Rangers but on the other hand they have Fans Groups, UEFA and FIFA breathing down their necks. So they have created the smoke screen by issuing the maximum fine and banning transfers.

Consider this then. Any fine is added to the creditors’ pot which in turn is creeping up to the point where HMRC no longer hold a 25%+ influence. So in reality there is the prospect of this fine being more like £1600 (or 10p in the pound) Hmmmmm? All the better if CW’s fine is added to Rangers’ debt because he won't pay it.

The authorities are also under enormous pressure from fans groups and the very excellent Fans Survey. So they can now argue that Rangers have been punished more than enough so would the fans mind terribly taking a more lenient view and stop minding if a Newco is allowed straight in to the top flight. I want to see how this mess pans out before I get all euphoric about the SFA having grown a set.

Finally, why is it that nobody is highlighting or taking action against the people making threatening and bigoted comments? At the very least this behaviour should be being roundly condemned in the media, but not one sentence about threats to lives and bigoted comments. We have seen them in the links to Rangers websites, they may be happening on other fans forums, I don’t know, but I am delighted that Hibs.net has, IMHO, kept its standards with honest debate and opinion, albeit frequently of a single minded nature, but any hint at OTT and the post is censored or deleted.

[Caversham Green]

Accountants ! Pah! :greengrin

There are ways round everything and I dont think this makes any material difference to CW's position. How many times have you guys, in your combined (many:greengrin) years, came across a disqualified director who is still running a company with some obscure ******ed relative as the actual MD?

IMO CW is the fall guy who never intended to be there for the long haul anyway. If they can get the CVA approved, which has been the only feasible route mentioned by anyone since day one, his role is complete.

Ho Hum, another commoner who thinks he knows better than all-seeing all-knowing accountants. :na na:

The law specifically disqualifies offenders from being directors but says nothing about shareholders. There are provisions regarding shadow directors, but they can be difficult to prove and enforce. In Whyte's case he is 'expelled for life from any participationin Association Football in Scotland'. They can't stop him owning shares in or controlling a club because that's covered by general law, but they can - in theory at least - stop any such club from playing football under their jurisdiction because that's covered by their own rules.

There is a sort of precedent set by our pink pals albeit on a smaller scale - they were fined for comments made by their non-director owner.

[Since90+2]

Do these sanctions include the charge of alleged use of players signing two contracts or is this a separate matter?

[greenginger]

Its all over rangers media and spreading onto social networking sites. We hear of planned protests that never happen but yeah the plan this time is a march to spoil the SFAs 'showpiece'.

One hun: "police wont allow it. nor should we ruin hearts day out at the final." Hunnery love......


Obviously it has'nt registered with mentally challenged that the Maroon Cardigan wearers voted 97% in favour of emptying the Huns from the SPL. :greengrin

[Jack]

Do these sanctions include the charge of alleged use of players signing two contracts or is this a separate matter?

No

[hibs0666]

Do these sanctions include the charge of alleged use of players signing two contracts or is this a separate matter?

Nope this is just the starter. The main course has still to come. :thumbsup:

[magpie1892]

Do these sanctions include the charge of alleged use of players signing two contracts or is this a separate matter?

Separate.

I learn this morning that the punishments handed down last night came from the panel which heard the disciplinary action and not the SFA themselves. The latter, apparently, are 'shocked' by the severity of the sanctions...

[Caversham Green]

Do these sanctions include the charge of alleged use of players signing two contracts or is this a separate matter?

I know this won't help much, but maybe someone who has access to the SFA rules can add to it.

CW was found guilty of breaching rules 66, 71, and 105.

Rangers FC were found guilty of breaching rules 2, 14, 66, 71, and 325. A verdict of not proven was reached regarding rule 1.

The double contract question is being investigated by the SPL rather than the SFA.

[Jack]

:agree:

Okay, on the face of it the SFA seem to have handed down maximum penalties for each of the offences proven. However, I can’t help myself being dragged down the conspiracy route. After all, for my entire football supporting life the authorities have never done anything that was not for the benefit of the OF.

So, the SFA have done all they could do in the circumstances and handed down maximum penalties. Actually I think this is smoke and mirrors. The SFA must be walking the thinnest of tight ropes right now between trying to look after their beloved and perceived cash-cow, Rangers but on the other hand they have Fans Groups, UEFA and FIFA breathing down their necks. So they have created the smoke screen by issuing the maximum fine and banning transfers.

Consider this then. Any fine is added to the creditors’ pot which in turn is creeping up to the point where HMRC no longer hold a 25%+ influence. So in reality there is the prospect of this fine being more like £1600 (or 10p in the pound) Hmmmmm? All the better if CW’s fine is added to Rangers’.

The authorities are also under enormous pressure from fans groups and the very excellent Fans Survey. So they can now argue that Rangers have been punished more than enough so would the fans mind terribly taking a more lenient view and stop minding if a Newco is allowed straight in to the top flight. I want to see how this mess pans out before I get all euphoric about the SFA having grown a set.

Finally, why is it that nobody is highlighting or taking action against the people making threatening and bigoted comments? At the very least this behaviour should be being roundly condemned in the media, but not one sentence about threats to lives and bigoted comments. We have seen them in the links to Rangers websites, they may be happening on other fans forums, I don’t know, but I am delighted that Hibs.net has, IMHO, kept its standards with honest debate and opinion, albeit frequently of a single minded nature, but any hint at OTT and the post is censored or deleted.

No doubt an accountant will be along any minute to reprimand me again. :greengrin

I think that the 12 month deadline and the 4% interest might get round the 10/5p in the £ malarkey.

Lets say rangers did pay £1,600 through a CVA that would leave a balance of £158,400 on the SFAs books. Its been said that any replacement licence would carry forward the sanctions for the whateverco.

[Caversham Green]

Separate.

I learn this morning that the punishments handed down last night came from the panel which heard the disciplinary action and not the SFA themselves. The latter, apparently, are 'shocked' by the severity of the sanctions...

Ah - so an appeal to the SFA might well see some of the sanctions reduced/lifted?

Thinking about it a 12 month signing embargo isn't actually that harsh.

[Mikey]

Separate.

I learn this morning that the punishments handed down last night came from the panel which heard the disciplinary action and not the SFA themselves. The latter, apparently, are 'shocked' by the severity of the sanctions...

Good.

Will the same panel oversee any further disciplinary action?

[magpie1892]

Ah - so an appeal to the SFA might well see some of the sanctions reduced/lifted?

Thinking about it a 12 month signing embargo isn't actually that harsh.

It's unlikely that the SFA would seek to undermine the punishment set by an independent panel, for various reasons. Unlikely, but not out of the question.

I agree that, considering what hun has done - and what they are additionally accused of, a 12-month signing ban isn't that harsh. There's an open and shut case for hun to get the same punishment as Whyte - banned from any involvement in Scottish Football for ever.

[Caversham Green]

No doubt an accountant will be along any minute to reprimand me again. :greengrin

I think that the 12 month deadline and the 4% interest might get round the 10/5p in the £ malarkey.

Lets say rangers did pay £1,600 through a CVA that would leave a balance of £158,400 on the SFAs books. Its been said that any replacement licence would carry forward the sanctions for the whateverco.

Will I do?

I'm in two minds about whether the fine should be considered a pre-administration debt, in which case it would fall into the CVA pot, or an administration cost which the administrators would have to pay in full, thereby reducing the amount available for pre-administration creditors.

There's an argument for both, but I'm leaning towards the former. (I'm not really all-seeing and all-knowing, that was just bluster.)

[magpie1892]

Good.

Will the same panel oversee any further disciplinary action?

I think the only thing left oustanding is the 'double contract' stuff and that's the SPL's concern.

[Mikey]

I think the only thing left oustanding is the 'double contract' stuff and that's the SPL's concern.

Cheers.

Do we know who's involved in that? The SPL board presumably, but who makes that up?

[CentreLine]

Separate.

I learn this morning that the punishments handed down last night came from the panel which heard the disciplinary action and not the SFA themselves. The latter, apparently, are 'shocked' by the severity of the sanctions...

Excellent, who makes up that panel do we know?

[magpie1892]

Excellent, who makes up that panel do we know?

Lord Nimmo Smith was one. The others I don't know. I assume this will come out presently, if it's not already out there...

[magpie1892]

Cheers.

Do we know who's involved in that? The SPL board presumably, but who makes that up?

Pass. I'd do a bit of digging but I'm tied up right now. Anyone else want a stab at this?

[DMR1875]

just read this on the Huns Bear's den forum. priceless!


"Liquidation is only a few days away.

Brian Kennedy is a showboater, Miller the same and the Blue Knights seem to be penniless.

Lets turn this tragedy to our long term advantage, fight back, let this be our Dunkirk."

Dunkirk!! Is that the one of mass evacuation from European mainland not to return for another four years. I think this guy has just predicted his teams future!:rotflmao:

[Gingertosser]

The telling thing coming out was the revelation by Whyte that he had dinner with Reagan & Ogilvie and was given assurances that he would face no sanctions regarding his disqualification as a director.
(convenienly missed out in all reports in todays DR - protecting their source Ogilvie? :rolleyes:)

If the appeal is heard by the SFA and not the independant panel, can they not just reduce the fines/bans significantly.

I would ask Doncaster if he has had a similar dinner date with Whyte ??

The whole thing still stinks of 'Whytewash' :rolleyes: only time will tell

[PatHead]

A statement from Rangers' joint administrator Paul Clark, of Duff & Phelps, read: "All of us working on behalf of the club are utterly shocked and dismayed by the draconian sanctions imposed on Rangers in respect of these charges.
"During this hearing, the club produced compelling evidence from a number of sources that, following his takeover, Craig Whyte ran the club in a thoroughly unaccountable manner, rather than adhering to a long-established and proper form of corporate governance."

Who are they trying to kid? The problems at Rangers were added to by Whyte not having any money but Rangers adhering to a long established and proper form of corporate governance, aye right. Take it these EBTs and dual contracts are part of this corporate governance, the Directors all blaming Murray group and SDM saying they didn't know what was happening is the normal way to run a business.....makes Maxwell look like he was innocent.

Why do the press not latch onto that?

[Hibernia&Alba]

just read this on the Huns Bear's den forum. priceless!


"Liquidation is only a few days away.

Brian Kennedy is a showboater, Miller the same and the Blue Knights seem to be penniless.

Lets turn this tragedy to our long term advantage, fight back, let this be our Dunkirk."

Dunkirk!! Is that the one of mass evacuation from European mainland not to return for another four years. I think this guy has just predicted his teams future!:rotflmao:

:top marks

Very good!

[cad]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/271/380/ab5.gif (http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/271380-the-last-supper-parodies)



The photo above is of the New Independent Panel ,must say dont fancy Rangers chances ,TBH

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDFLx0324PlNYUZVtlNwb1FIfmLWgwp dSw3D67HQf7X1Wxny9jwJO-UXOT

[stokesmessiah]

It never rains, it pours...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17823420

[CentreLine]

The telling thing coming out was the revelation by Whyte that he had dinner with Reagan & Ogilvie and was given assurances that he would face no sanctions regarding his disqualification as a director.
(convenienly missed out in all reports in todays DR - protecting their source Ogilvie? :rolleyes:)

If the appeal is heard by the SFA and not the independant panel, can they not just reduce the fines/bans significantly.

I would ask Doncaster if he has had a similar dinner date with Whyte ??

The whole thing still stinks of 'Whytewash' :rolleyes: only time will tell

But we do have to remember that CW is a liar and having dinner is not a crime, it will be interesting however to hear Regan and Ogilvie's take on how the dinner went

[jonty]

It never rains, it pours...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17823420
If he's suspended, do they save money by not paying him? [insert cynical smiley]

[SurferRosa]

an absolute gem:

"Never walk out on the players during a game. Walk out on them after the game."

I must have been protesting every time I went to a Hibs game then, as I usually walked out after the game!

:faf:.......oh dear, that`ll certainly have the SFA chiefs regretting their actions.

What a buffoon......:faf:

[HibeeMG]

They are appealling....(cue the Carry On joke)

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2746199

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but:


However, for Rangers, a ban on signing players will seriously undermine the Club's efforts to rebuild after being rendered insolvent.

Isn't administration supposed to stop you becoming insolvent? I thought trading whilst insolvent was illegal. Or is it proper legal jargon?

[Twa Cairpets]

The telling thing coming out was the revelation by Whyte that he had dinner with Reagan & Ogilvie and was given assurances that he would face no sanctions regarding his disqualification as a director.(convenienly missed out in all reports in todays DR - protecting their source Ogilvie? :rolleyes:)

If the appeal is heard by the SFA and not the independant panel, can they not just reduce the fines/bans significantly.

I would ask Doncaster if he has had a similar dinner date with Whyte ??

The whole thing still stinks of 'Whytewash' :rolleyes: only time will tell

and of course Whyte has never been known to, shall we say, somewhat garnish the truth, has he? Frankly, I don't believe for a nano-second that Regan said anything remotely like this. Ogilvie, I'm not so sure, but Regan? - not a chance.

[IndieHibby]

RFC - The gift that just keeps on giving. :aok:

[SurferRosa]

The morons have got one thing right anyway......they most definately ARE being treated differently from other clubs.

Any one of the rest of us would have been history by now...

" We need Walter and Ally to speak out and defend our club. Both are well respected in the football world and they should say how the Sfa have it in for our club, and why we are treated different from other clubs. ".........:faf:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Good that they waited until St Georges Day to announce these measures!

[Caversham Green]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but:



Isn't administration supposed to stop you becoming insolvent? I thought trading whilst insolvent was illegal. Or is it proper legal jargon?

Administration is really an admission that the company is insolvent and an attempt to return it to solvency. Trading while insolvent is illegal, but not in a criminal sense - maybe 'unlawful' is a better word. The consequences of trading while insolvent only arise where a creditor suffers a loss because he was unaware of the insolvency, at which point he can pursue the directors personally for settlement. At the point where the administrators find they will be incurring further debt with no prospect of it being paid through trading they will have no alternative but to cease trading and commence liquidation proceedings. In RFC's case, I think that point is approaching very fast.

[green glory]

The only question now Is whether they'll limp on till the last game of the season. Bill Miller and The Blue *****s will probably do a 180 now. So do the admins cost the creditors more money by dragging the stinking corpse all the way to May 13th, or do they do the humane thing and just put them to death now?

[stokesmessiah]

They seem slightly upset...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17825207

[Winston Ingram]

They seem slightly upset...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17825207

What are these wallopers all about?

They break rules and live beyond there means for over 20 years and because they've broken so many that they've crippled themselves they want help?

That's like a mass-murderer wanting a discount on his sentence for the more people he's killed.

Let the twats protest. At this rate they aren't going to have any games to protest at anyway:agree:

[Sean1875]

They seem slightly upset...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17825207

protesting at the cup final... good luck with that.

[Spike Mandela]

A statement from Rangers' joint administrator Paul Clark, of Duff & Phelps, read: "All of us working on behalf of the club are utterly shocked and dismayed by the draconian sanctions imposed on Rangers in respect of these charges.
"During this hearing, the club produced compelling evidence from a number of sources that, following his takeover, Craig Whyte ran the club in a thoroughly unaccountable manner, rather than adhering to a long-established and proper form of corporate governance."

Who are they trying to kid? The problems at Rangers were added to by Whyte not having any money but Rangers adhering to a long established and proper form of corporate governance, aye right. Take it these EBTs and dual contracts are part of this corporate governance, the Directors all blaming Murray group and SDM saying they didn't know what was happening is the normal way to run a business.....makes Maxwell look like he was innocent.

Why do the press not latch onto that?


Ha Ha. Only in this country could this punishment be considered 'Draconian'. In most other footballing nations this would be considered lenient.

[Spike Mandela]

They seem slightly upset...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17825207

The siege mentality will well and truly kick in now. Expect history to be rewritten about how the 'establishment' has always had it in for Rangers.:greengrin

[Andy74]

The siege mentality will well and truly kick in now. Expect history to be rewritten about how the 'establishment' has always had it in for Rangers.:greengrin

What a bunch of wallopers. Supremicist half witted erses who are so used to being 'the people' that the very thought of being punished like the rest of us has them raging.

It's just a pity that Rangers could die but there would still need to be someplace for these morons to go.

[Part/Time Supporter]

protesting at the cup final... good luck with that.

Bring it on.

:cb

[magpie1892]

Ha Ha. Only in this country could this punishment be considered 'Draconian'. In most other footballing nations this would be considered lenient.

Totally agree.

They're going to go bust anyway but notwithstanding the outcome of BTC and the dual contracts shenanigans, there's a solid case to expel hun from Scottish Football immediately.

[gringojoe]

As they have not even paid for Jelavic and Wallace yet what club would be willing to take their word that they would pay the fee? Transfer ban is the least of their problems. GGTTH.

[jacomo]

The siege mentality will well and truly kick in now. Expect history to be rewritten about how the 'establishment' has always had it in for Rangers.:greengrin

Yes, unless the authorities bend the rules to bale them out (thus destroying what little integrity the game has left) then it just *proves* that they have it in for Rangers. :rolleyes:

[stokesmessiah]

If we won the Scottish Cup and RFC went pop would everyone consider it a good season despite our lowly league position?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=217769

[Spike Mandela]

Fair play, at least they will get to one cup final this season.:cb

[Nakedmanoncrack]

''If 50 of us could get tickets for the game , at diffrent entrances , we could handcuff ourselves to the turnstiles in a silent protest. Like the suffragettes did trying to get votes for women''

:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious :hilarious

[Seveno]

The morons have got one thing right anyway......they most definately ARE being treated differently from other clubs.

Any one of the rest of us would have been history by now...

" We need Walter and Ally to speak out and defend our club. Both are well respected in the football world and they should say how the Sfa have it in for our club, and why we are treated different from other clubs. ".........:faf:

I seem to recall Ally speaking out at the weekend and saying that they just have to take what's coming to them or words to that effect.

:na na:

[Winston Ingram]

Already in the Rangers in Administration thread:agree:

[jonty]

Alex Thomsons latest blog entry
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-heart-live/1258


None of it really matters except insofar as Rangers’ personal pain, grief and general implosion serves as a clean-up call for football in general and perhaps our wider life beyond.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm all for a hun to be padlocked at every turnstyle, that would be fun. :wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

If we won the Scottish Cup and RFC went pop would everyone consider it a good season despite our lowly league position?

If Carsberg made football seasons.... :agree:

[Hibercelona]

Surely the people who post on there are other clubs fans at the wind up.

They surely can't be serious.

But then again.... :rolleyes:

[Sean1875]

Bring it on.

:cb

They may aswell try make a bit of money whilst they're there, set up an arcade style 'Whack-A-Hun' stall, they'd make a fortune.

[Hibercelona]

''If 50 of us could get tickets for the game , at diffrent entrances , we could handcuff ourselves to the turnstiles in a silent protest. Like the suffragettes did trying to get votes for women''

:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious :hilarious

We'll just get a hibby to stand next to each of them.

"2 punches for a pouuuuund!!"

[calmac12000]

Just go to show how deluded this mob are!

[Sir David Gray]

No way that this will be allowed by the police.

They'll already have more than enough to contend with, with 40,000 rival fans from Edinburgh coming through and making sure that they arrive and depart safely, without having to bother about a pointless rally.

[Seveno]

"Rangers supporters are appalled by this decision which brings shame on the SFA and the national game."

What far off planet do these beings come from ?

[ShanksSaidNo]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/04/24/rangers-in-crisis-furious-fans-call-on-players-to-join-protest-against-sfa-by-boycotting-scotland-team-86908-23835725/

They reference the possible protest on cup final day here.

Their arrogance is absolutely unbelieavable. So should the SFA have bowed down to their 20 years of cheating, r*ping and pilleging of our clubs and let them off with a slap on the wrists?

It's long overdue that the SFA have finally shown some hee-haws and handed out a punishment.

We'll be having a party and they'll stand outside greetin at the back of the main stand. Brilliant - I hope they do - cause they'll just make a complete **** of themselves!

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Try to keep a straight face whilst reading this:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ag84d1.png

[Pretty Boy]

What a bunch of deluded cants.

The only people to blame for the trouble Rangers are currently in are the people who have mismanaged the club over the last 2 decades.

[frazeHFC]

If they try and block the road, i'm renting a tank and destroying them Grand Theft Auto style.

[Caversham Green]

Try to keep a straight face whilst reading this:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ag84d1.png

"No more impartial punishment". :faf:

[Speedway]

''If 50 of us could get tickets for the game , at diffrent entrances , we could handcuff ourselves to the turnstiles in a silent protest. Like the suffragettes did trying to get votes for women''

:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious :hilarious

Votes for Wimmin? Whatever next?

[Spike Mandela]

Alex Thomsons latest blog entry
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-heart-live/1258

Quality. I fully expect the Rangers Supporters trust to now issue a Salman Rushdie style fatwa on Alex Thomson.:top marks

[frazeHFC]

We'll just get a hibby to stand next to each of them.

"2 punches for a pouuuuund!!"



:hilarious

[Nakedmanoncrack]

"No more impartial punishment". :faf:

:greengrin

[1875HFC]

if they were going to do this its pretty daft discussing it on a public website so the plice can plan in advance and stop them. just some folk have nothing better to do with their time and cant accept their club is a shambles. Its all their own doing so what would they be protesting about?!

Anyway lets not let these clowns ruin our big May Day! :pfgwa

[ScottB]

"Rangers supporters are appalled by this decision which brings shame on the SFA and the national game."

What far off planet do these beings come from ?

Govan?

[silverhibee]

I'm all for a hun to be padlocked at every turnstyle, that would be fun. :wink:

Only at the Hibs turnstyle's though, they may get sympathy from the diet currant buns at there end. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Try to keep a straight face whilst reading this:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ag84d1.png



Sorry, but :faf::faf::faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

[1875er]

If this happens would it be known as "The charge of the ****** brigade?"

:wink:

[God Petrie]

Can someone attach that image to this thread - it's blocked at my work

[Hibercelona]

Try to keep a straight face whilst reading this:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ag84d1.png

"Our great history".

A history of winning the same meaningless achievements over and over and over again, while spending money that just wasn't there. A history of bigotry, bile and rioting. A history of shafting respectable clubs, through sustained corruption.

Aye, great history that. :rolleyes:

[Haymaker]

If they somehow got down to hampden, it would only take one pissed up twat from either sides to do something stupid and it will be a riot.

[Speedway]

We'll just get a hibby to stand next to each of them.

"2 punches for a pouuuuund!!"

Or 'three for a fiver' just to capture any passing Celtic trade.

[Sean1875]

Can someone attach that image to this thread - it's blocked at my work

Probably didnt come through because of the 'Tits & Bollocks' filter in place.

[Hibercelona]

Can someone attach that image to this thread - it's blocked at my work

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ag84d1.png

Think you'll have a hard time reading it. :wink:

[frazeHFC]

'we don't do walking away'


Aye thats why you are planning on leaving a game for a march. :tee hee:

[Speedway]

Has Rod received a transfer fee for them using the 'SUABC' phrase?

[Hibercelona]

'we don't do walking away'


Aye thats why you are planning on leaving a game for a march. :tee hee:

"We don't do walking away".

































"We get dragged away in police vans after making complete t!ts of ourselves". :agree:

[green glory]

If we won the Scottish Cup and RFC went pop would everyone consider it a good season despite our lowly league position?

The greatest season in the history of Scottish football.

[Sammy7nil]

I think the Police will be knocking a few doors

[Moulin Yarns]

I can exclusively reveal that there will be no March on Hampden by the bears. The only authorised procession that day is this...

http://www.bandparades.co.uk/james-thomson-memorial-lol-355-route-details/

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/YourCommunity/PublicProcessions/



Organisation



Organisation
James Thomson Memorial Lol, 355


Date of Procession
Saturday 19 May 2012


Start Time of Outward Route
9:30 AM


Assembly Point
Craighton Rd Next To The Bens Football Club


Proposed Route
Craighton Rd, Crossloan Rd, Harmony Row, Golspie St West, Govan Rd, Lay Wreath At The Cenotaph, Govan Rd, Orkney St, Broomloan Rd, Summertown Rd, Copeland Rd, Edminston Dr, Paisley Rd West, Harvie St, Brand St






Start Time of Return Route



Proposed Return Route







Estimated Number of Participants
90




And you must apply at least 28 days for permission.

[Newry Hibs]

I love the idea of thousands of Huns on a 'mass' walk.

[Seveno]

The greatest season in the history of Scottish football.

No, we need the hat-trick for that one. ( Are you listening, Vlad ? )

[Speedway]

I love the idea of thousands of Huns on a 'mass' walk.

:greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

If we won the Scottish Cup and RFC went pop would everyone consider it a good season despite our lowly league position?

As a balance what would we think if Hibs got relegated, hearts won the Cup and then Rangers newco 'Glasgow Rangers' became the richest club in Scotland overnight?

Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrttttgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wink:

[Pretty Boy]

I can exclusively reveal that there will be no March on Hampden by the bears. The only authorised procession that day is this...

http://www.bandparades.co.uk/james-thomson-memorial-lol-355-route-details/

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/YourCommunity/PublicProcessions/



Organisation



Organisation
James Thomson Memorial Lol, 355


Date of Procession
Saturday 19 May 2012


Start Time of Outward Route
9:30 AM


Assembly Point
Craighton Rd Next To The Bens Football Club


Proposed Route
Craighton Rd, Crossloan Rd, Harmony Row, Golspie St West, Govan Rd, Lay Wreath At The Cenotaph, Govan Rd, Orkney St, Broomloan Rd, Summertown Rd, Copeland Rd, Edminston Dr, Paisley Rd West, Harvie St, Brand St






Start Time of Return Route



Proposed Return Route







Estimated Number of Participants
90




And you must apply at least 28 days for permission.

Aye there'll be no Huns on that March right enough.

[SetonClapper]

It says on that flyer, that the "march" is this Saturday, not on Scottish Cup Final day. They won't get anywhere near Hampden on Final day.

[jacomo]

Alex Thomsons latest blog entry
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-heart-live/1258

Spot on. There is a far bigger thing at stake here than a big blue fitba club - the integrity of the national game. And the right for government to raise taxes from business and expect to see them paid.

If they can't pay their bills, RFC have to go bust and start from the bottom of the league again.

[machibby]

"No more impartial punishment". :faf:

That has to be one of the funniest things I've read in months.:doh:

[Winston Ingram]

Spot on. There is a far bigger thing at stake here than a big blue fitba club - the integrity of the national game. And the right for government to raise taxes from business and expect to see them paid.

If they can't pay their bills, RFC have to go bust and start from the bottom of the league again.

Alex Thomson has been a star in all of this:agree:

[Just Alf]

As a balance what would we think if Hibs got relegated, hearts won the Cup and then Rangers newco 'Glasgow Rangers' became the richest club in Scotland overnight?

Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrttttgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wink:

Awww noes! ....... anyone know if they've installed those lifts to the top of the towers on the Forth Road bridge yet? :violin:

[stokesmessiah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17826965

[ManBearPig]

Not exactly best ways to earn hearts and minds!! very childish we're having a bad time so we'll spoil everyone elses party. Boo F&*king hoo!!

That dummy flew so far out the pram the Huns should be in the Olympics

[JimBHibees]

Alex Thomsons latest blog entry
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-heart-live/1258

What a truly excellent article that is IMO.

[Spike Mandela]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17826965

Hmmmmm, that's them as good as got off with it on appeal. Transfer embargo removed and probably increase the fine and add it to CVA pot.

[Saorsa]

Try to keep a straight face whilst reading this:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ag84d1.png




http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/smilies 2/fall_off_chair_laughing.gif

[ScottB]

Hmmmmm, that's them as good as got off with it on appeal. Transfer embargo removed and probably increase the fine and add it to CVA pot.

"It is the sheer lack of any commercial sense to this ruling that has shocked us," a source close to the club's emergency regime told the BBC.
"It is a bit like a court telling the administrator of an engineering company that they can survive but they're not allowed to trade any stock."

Critically, he's forgetting that in that analogy, it would be an engineering company guilty of tax evasion and cheating on a rampant scale.

This attitude of, oh, it wisnae us, don't punish us, is an utter nonsense. They must carry the can.

[Leithenhibby]

Hmmmmm, that's them as good as got off with it on appeal. Transfer embargo removed and probably increase the fine and add it to CVA pot.


On what grounds :confused:

Can't see the SFA stepping on Lord Nimmo's toes to be honest :agree:

[greenginger]

Hmmmmm, that's them as good as got off with it on appeal. Transfer embargo removed and probably increase the fine and add it to CVA pot.

Has it not occurred to those cheats and their media mouthpieces that 4 football clubs going to be screwed by Rangers dealings in the transfer market.

Wallace, Goin, Boccanegra and Jelavic will all have been purchased by the Huns with no hope of them ever being paid for. That is why a transfer embargo is justified but the BBC HUN cheerleaders will never see it that way.

[stokesmessiah]

"It is the sheer lack of any commercial sense to this ruling that has shocked us," a source close to the club's emergency regime told the BBC.
"It is a bit like a court telling the administrator of an engineering company that they can survive but they're not allowed to trade any stock."

Critically, he's forgetting that in that analogy, it would be an engineering company guilty of tax evasion and cheating on a rampant scale.

This attitude of, oh, it wisnae us, don't punish us, is an utter nonsense. They must carry the can.

"The source said the transfer ban would make it almost impossible for Rangers to field a competitive team next season, and that could have a serious impact on gate receipts and sponsorship revenues.
It would also seriously hinder Rangers' chances of the early return to European competition that they so badly need to balance their books."

This is the bit that annoyed me the most. Its almost as if there is a god given right for them to be in Europe!?

Who cares about their chances of fielding a competitive team, they have cheated scottish football and other businesses alike. I am sure they wont be crying about rangers battling it out in the bottom 6?

[adhibs]

anyone else the advert from hm revenue and customes between posts on that site :faf:

[ScottB]

"The source said the transfer ban would make it almost impossible for Rangers to field a competitive team next season, and that could have a serious impact on gate receipts and sponsorship revenues.
It would also seriously hinder Rangers' chances of the early return to European competition that they so badly need to balance their books."

This is the bit that annoyed me the most. Its almost as if there is a god given right for them to be in Europe!?

Who cares about their chances of fielding a competitive team, they have cheated scottish football and other businesses alike. I am sure they wont be crying about rangers battling it out in the bottom 6?

I'll be sure to break out my teeny tiny violin for them.

So the admins are apparently still basing their business plan for the club on European football are they? Clearly nobody at Ibrox has learned a damn thing!

It's time HMRC got their own guys in there!

[Baader]

Don't do walking away? Funny that, Ibrox is half empty after 80 minutes even when they're winning...

They'd soon be wishing they could walk away at the very least if they chained themselves to turnstiles at Hampden. Have they no idea what would happen to them with 30,000 Hibees descending on the area... :faf:

[BEEJ]

So, the SFA have done all they could do in the circumstances and handed down maximum penalties. Actually I think this is smoke and mirrors. The SFA must be walking the thinnest of tight ropes right now between trying to look after their beloved and perceived cash-cow, Rangers but on the other hand they have Fans Groups, UEFA and FIFA breathing down their necks. So they have created the smoke screen by issuing the maximum fine and banning transfers.

The authorities are also under enormous pressure from fans groups and the very excellent Fans Survey. So they can now argue that Rangers have been punished more than enough so would the fans mind terribly taking a more lenient view and stop minding if a Newco is allowed straight in to the top flight. I want to see how this mess pans out before I get all euphoric about the SFA having grown a set.
:agree: This is how I (cynically) interpret this latest news.

These tough sanctions give the authorities greater leeway now to allow a Rangers newco back into the SPL.

[Spike Mandela]

On what grounds :confused:

Can't see the SFA stepping on Lord Nimmo's toes to be honest :agree:

Cal me a cynic but a cab rank system made up of ex officials, administrators, ex managers and former players does not inspire faith in me that Rangers will be punished like it has been by an independant panel. The 'establishment' does still exist.

[Gingertosser]

I think the appeal panel will be Walter Smith, Hugh Dallas & Derek Johnstone :agree:

[Leithenhibby]

Cal me a cynic but a cab rank system made up of ex officials, administrators, ex managers and former players does not inspire faith in me that Rangers will be punished like it has been by an independant panel. The 'establishment' does still exist.

I'm not sure who was on the committee that handed out this punishment, but I do know that Lord Nimmo Smith was on it, who else? just out of interest!! ....

They (sfa & spl) don't normally like to criticise their own procedures so it will be interesting to see what happens now with "the circus" :wink:

[greenginger]

I'm not sure who was on the committee that handed out this punishment, but I do know that Lord Nimmo Smith was on it, who else? just out of interest!! ....

They (sfe & spl) don't normally like to criticise their own procedures so it will be interesting to see what happens now with "the circus" :wink:

The appeal hearing should not just listen to Duff and Duffer's pleadings for soft treatment for the Huns. The football clubs who have been ripped off by Rangers should have their say too.

Give Vlad a platform and maybe the embargo could be increased to 2 years.

Also is it not these creditors that should be Duff and Phelps main concern not how good a team Rangers will be a year down the line.

[blackpoolhibs]

"The source said the transfer ban would make it almost impossible for Rangers to field a competitive team next season, and that could have a serious impact on gate receipts and sponsorship revenues.
It would also seriously hinder Rangers' chances of the early return to European competition that they so badly need to balance their books."

This is the bit that annoyed me the most. Its almost as if there is a god given right for them to be in Europe!?

Who cares about their chances of fielding a competitive team, they have cheated scottish football and other businesses alike. I am sure they wont be crying about rangers battling it out in the bottom 6?

Welcome to the real world Mr hun.

[jgl07]

"The source said the transfer ban would make it almost impossible for Rangers to field a competitive team next season, and that could have a serious impact on gate receipts and sponsorship revenues."


I am sure that the team that Rangers could put out would be more than competitive in Division Three of the SFL.

[SteveHFC]

https://p.twimg.com/ArP2XpOCQAA5Ido.jpg :faf:

[greenlex]

They can **** right off. Its the Salt & Sauce Cup Final. Nae Vinegar allowed!!!!

[stokesmessiah]

https://p.twimg.com/ArP2XpOCQAA5Ido.jpg :faf:


You know what i hope that goes ahead and those idiots serve up a timely reminder to everyone as to why we are better off without them.

[swazzie]

Sorry if posted already, but if this flier is for real it's a work of genius

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/534593180/ArPjPPBCQAEmP4w.jpg


Down with impartial punishment :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Sorry if posted already, but if this flier is for real it's a work of genius

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/534593180/ArPjPPBCQAEmP4w.jpg


Down with impartial punishment :greengrin
:faf:

[PaulSmith]

It's quite frightening reading how Rangers fans see the club as untouchable and beyond reproach.
They are due £135m in amongst that is football debts, PAYE and VAT. Their owner disregards previous SFA instruction. The administrators say that somehow, dispite the debts, they MUST be able to buy players.

[green glory]

I'm all for a hun to be padlocked at every turnstyle, that would be fun. :wink:

This could catch on. Something to kick on the way into the ground. Better still handcuff them to the toilets. Something to wipe your *rse on. Would save Hibs a fortune in bog roll. The 'tache would approve I'm sure.

[Just Alf]

It's quite frightening reading how Rangers fans see the club as untouchable and beyond reproach.
They are due £135m in amongst that is football debts, PAYE and VAT. Their owner disregards previous SFA instruction. The administrators say that somehow, dispite the debts, they MUST be able to buy players.

But... but... PAUL!.... don't you understand?

they're the "People"........ apparently :wink:

[PatHead]

This could catch on. Something to kick on the way into the ground. Better still handcuff them to the toilets. Something to wipe your *rse on. Would save Hibs a fortune in bog roll. The 'tache would approve I'm sure.

Wouldn't want to get my a*se dirtier and you would definately catch something.

[McHibby]

''If 50 of us could get tickets for the game , at diffrent entrances , we could handcuff ourselves to the turnstiles in a silent protest. Like the suffragettes did trying to get votes for women''

:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious :hilarious

Oh my days
:Ummm:

[CallumLaidlaw]

I'm not sure who was on the committee that handed out this punishment, but I do know that Lord Nimmo Smith was on it, who else? just out of interest!! ....

They (sfa & spl) don't normally like to criticise their own procedures so it will be interesting to see what happens now with "the circus" :wink:

Alex Thomson says -

Scottish FA stressing to me that it's an independent inquiry that's punished RFC and appeal is to SFA prob chaired by judge/QC

[SteveHFC]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr2d767yUr1r2ej96o1_400.gif


Bear could be leaving the big blue house soon

[stokesmessiah]

Alex Thomson says -

Scottish FA stressing to me that it's an independent inquiry that's punished RFC and appeal is to SFA prob chaired by judge/QC

Anyone else sense a backtrack??

[EuanH78]

Sorry if posted already, but if this flier is for real it's a work of genius

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_background_images/534593180/ArPjPPBCQAEmP4w.jpg


Down with impartial punishment :greengrin

I think that might be even worse than 'Celtc'

Utter Morons :faf::faf:

[Mon Dieu4]

Alex Thomson says -

Scottish FA stressing to me that it's an independent inquiry that's punished RFC and appeal is to SFA prob chaired by judge/QC

Probably Donald Findlay...

[down-the-slope]

I feel its important in position things are...the good outcome of panel...and current bleating by D&P / Fans that we remind ourselves and any rangers fans / those backing soft approach of the following.

Administration is for the benefit of CREDITORS...the future of the 'business' that has got in trouble is only of importance in so far as it can serve best interests of the CREDITORS.....a CVA with USA Willy / Baron Knights etc putting in 12m is of far less value to the CREDITORS than liquidation....as even in a fire sale more than that will be raised for the CREDITORS...the argument that HMRC would want to save business for future revenue and so have to balance view of previous debts against this is frankly rubbish...yes it might carry sway in a traditional business that will never re-start...but we all know that that the Buns fans will want / have some form of club ongoing and tax can / will be got from that.....

So lets take every opportunity to remind people that this is about the CREDITIORS of a company that has failed to pay its way for years and not contributed fully to the hospitals / schools / welfare etc etc that the rest of us tax payers have, and has left these CREDITORS (remember the list!) some very small local businesses suffering due to greed and mis-management at best and down right illegality at worst...

[KeithTheHibby]

With the transfer embargo in place can we now put to bed the GoC to Rangers rumours?:greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

Anyone else sense a backtrack??

The SFA finally have a chance to prove it is they that Govern Scottish football and not other self interested parties. Over to you Mr Regan.

[grunt]

Stewart Regan on SFA website:


Rangers have been part of the fabric of Scottish football’s history and are integral to its future prosperity

[magpie1892]

Anyone else sense a backtrack??

Maybe.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2550&newsCategoryID=36&newsID=9731

[Saorsa]

Stewart Regan on SFA website:Spoken like a true OF stooge.

[Spike Mandela]

Maybe.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2550&newsCategoryID=36&newsID=9731

Holy Crap. It's an open invitation to Rangers that he will bend over and take it up the erchie. Truly breathtaking:rolleyes:

[magpie1892]

Holy Crap. It's an open invitation to Rangers that he will bend over and take it up the erchie. Truly breathtaking:rolleyes:

It's not good, is it? But they're still in a world of trouble.

[Seveno]

https://p.twimg.com/ArP2XpOCQAA5Ido.jpg :faf:


At least they are going to the end occupied by their wee cousins.

[calmac12000]

"Rangers supporters are appalled by this decision which brings shame on the SFA and the national game."

What far off planet do these beings come from ?

I'm afraid this sort of nonsense is fairly typical of the semi-literate quasi-historical verbiage purveyed by the literate element of the Hun's support.
.

[Seveno]

Maybe.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2550&newsCategoryID=36&newsID=9731

I think you can read anything you want into this statement - positive or negative. Having set up this new disciplinary procedure, it will be very hard to backtrack.

Let's wait and see.

[NAE NOOKIE]

No way in a million years the Weegie cops would allow this. It would be bloody carnage.

We may look apon the Yams as diet huns, but I would be willing to bet that any Rankgers fans trying to disrupt their big day would be in for a shock when the Yams decide to show a decided lack of sympathy for the cause.

What our reaction would be doesnt even bear ( no pun intended ) thinking about.

The current buns are used to turning up at ER and the PBS mob handed and getting their own way. With circa 50,000 unsympathetic or hostile Edinburgh fans in the area I wouldnt fancy the chances of any current bun who tried to chain themselves to turnstyles or do anything else to disrupt the match.

Their rubbish, cheating club is getting its just desserts and they should show some class and suck it up !!! That'll be the day :no way:

[killie-hibby]

Holy Crap. It's an open invitation to Rangers that he will bend over and take it up the erchie. Truly breathtaking:rolleyes:

Regan's last paragraph seems to suggest a submissive attitude towards the Govan Cheats.

[scoopyboy]

At least they are going to the end occupied by their wee cousins.

Don't get this.

Has the Cup Final been moved to Saturday 28th April?

[jgl07]

Don't get this.

Has the Cup Final been moved to Saturday 28th April?

There were suggestions of doing a suffragette protest on Cup Final day and handcuffing themselves to turnstiles.

[killie-hibby]

BBC Sportsound on now. Sycophantic Traynor and Dodds are still wearing blinkers. They are accusing the SFA of harming Rangers via dishing out "willy nilly punishments". Traynor says the directors and not the football club should be punished. Their selective memory omits the fact that the club stole points and trophies. They would have us believe it was the directors who played in matches. How sad, these pundits are fuelling the desire for neandethral fans to go on protest marches and disrupt the cup final. Once again the so called "experts" are an embarrassment due to their blinkered and myopic thinking.

[Wat Dabney]

BBC Sportsound on now. Sycophantic Traynor and Dodds are still wearing blinkers. They are accusing the SFA of harming Rangers via dishing out "willy nilly punishments". Traynor says the directors and not the football club should be punished. Their selective memory omits the fact that the club stole points and trophies. They would have us believe it was the directors who played in matches. How sad, these pundits are fuelling the desire for neandethral fans to go on protest marches and disrupt the cup final. Once again the so called "experts" are an embarrassment due to their blinkered and myopic thinking.

Traynor should not be allowed on the BBC - conflict of interest - he knows his newspaper will suffer if Rangers go bust.

......and Dodds? He's just a Rangers sycophant.

[snooky]

There were suggestions of doing a suffragette protest on Cup Final day and handcuffing themselves to turnstiles.

Talk about making the polis's job easy for them, FFS. :crazy:

[Westie1875]

Traynor should not be allowed on the BBC - conflict of interest - he knows his newspaper will suffer if Rangers go bust.

......and Dodds? He's just a Rangers sycophant.


Just heard some interview from Sally McCoist, utterly ridiculous IMO, according to him the big bad SFA are putting them out of business - never mind any blame for getting themselves into this mess in the first place. "The SFA aren't doing enough to help us", why should they? There are rules in place for a reason, play by the rules or be punished, it really is pretty straightforward. Heaven forbid they have to cut their wage bill to the same or less than most other spl teams, most of us manage fine, time for people at Ibrox to get real and understand they have no devine right to spend money they don't have.

[woody47]

How funny would it be if, just once, both sets of Edinburgh fans joined in union on cup final day to show how much we detest everything about that disease they call rankers.
Do these morons actually believe that other clubs' fans actually have even one ounce of sympathy for them?
I for one hate them for everything they stand for and can only wish them the very worst of luck in everything they try and do. Lets hope they just die and never come back.

[snooky]

Aye, the last paragraph :Quote: “Rangers have been part of the fabric of Scottish football’s history and are integral to its future prosperity.
“The Scottish FA must act with integrity and with the best interests of the game at heart. It is with this in mind that we await any appeal from the club.”
Let's just forget about the :rules:


Weasel-clauses-R-us

[hibsquaker]

I think you can read anything you want into this statement - positive or negative. Having set up this new disciplinary procedure, it will be very hard to backtrack.

Let's wait and see.


"Rangers have been part of the fabric of Scottish football's history and are integral to its future prosperity.
"The Scottish FA must act with integrity and with the best interests of the game at heart. It is with this in mind that we await any appeal from the club."

Whole thing is obviously spin. The above is an open invitation to appeal - at which point it'll be totally reduced.

[Wat Dabney]

Just found this link on google about Billy Dodds voting against a cva when at Dundee FC. Seems a bit of a hypocrite when now talking about RFC.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Football/article/10590/dundee-fc-billy-dodds-insists-his-conscience-is-clear.html

[Hibernia&Alba]

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment. Do you think the Huns have a point in saying it's harsh to fine them now and impose the twelve month transfer embargo before the big tax case verdict? Administration states a ten points deduction, which has happened. Shouldn't other potential sanctions wait until later, or are they reasonable, in light of what Craig Whyte did?

[Leithenhibby]

"Rangers have been part of the fabric of Scottish football's history and are integral to its future prosperity.
"The Scottish FA must act with integrity and with the best interests of the game at heart. It is with this in mind that we await any appeal from the club."

Whole thing is obviously spin. The above is an open invitation to appeal - at which point it'll be totally reduced.


I think you can read anything you want into this statement - positive or negative. Having set up this new disciplinary procedure, it will be very hard to backtrack.

Let's wait and see.


I agree, lets just wait and see. I'm not so sure they (sfa) are about to buckle with the pressure from D&P

There are lots of ways this article could be interpreted :agree:

“The Scottish FA has a responsibility to all its members and must implement its rules without fear or favour. Hold Tight Guys :wink:

[Spike Mandela]

BBC Sportsound made me so angry. It was all "damaging Scottish football this" and "damaging Scottish football that", "Craig Whyte should be punished not Rangers". Honestly, the entire panel except Jim Spence was in tears at the 'injustice' of it all.

All contributors to the program including *****house from Duff and Phelps, Traynor, Dodds McCoist and a guy from the Rangers Assembly were outraged. They all also agreed that Rangers SHOULD be punished but when pressed on what punishment all they could say was this was to severe or financial sanctions sufficient.

What they were saying without actually saying it was "Rangers should be punished by a punishment that isn't really a punishment but looks like a punishment"

The appeal is a certainty to be upheld and will be the day that Scottish Football proves it is governed by money and is corrupt.

[Leithenhibby]

BBC Sportsound made me so angry. It was all "damaging Scottish football this" and "damaging Scottish football that", "Craig Whyte should be punished not Rangers". Honestly, the entire panel except Jim Spence was in tears at the 'injustice' of it all.

All contributors to the program including *****house from Duff and Phelps, Traynor, Dodds McCoist and a guy from the Rangers Assembly were outraged. They all also agreed that Rangers SHOULD be punished but when pressed on what punishment all they could say was this was to severe or financial sanctions sufficient.

What they were saying without actually saying it was "Rangers should be punished by a punishment that isn't really a punishment but looks like a punishment"

The appeal is a certainty to be upheld and will be the day that Scottish Football proves it is governed by money and is corrupt.


100% spot on ... :top marks

[Spike Mandela]

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment. Do you think the Huns have a point in saying it's harsh to fine them now and impose the twelve month transfer embargo before the big tax case verdict? Administration states a ten points deduction, which has happened. Shouldn't other potential sanctions wait until later, or are they reasonable, in light of what Craig Whyte did?

Ok so ten point pentalty and then a p in the £ CVA. Then all the creditors have to sit back and watch Rangers spend large sums in the transfer market. Even without the BTC they owe around £50 m to creditors including other football teams . Now THAT'S harsh.

[grunt]

More interesting stuff

http://www.thelawyer.com/full-extent-of-rangers-fc-claims-against-collyer-bristow-laid-bare/1012303.article

[ancienthibby]

Ok so ten point pentalty and then a p in the £ CVA. m to creditors including other football teams . Now THAT'S harsh.
Then all the creditors have to sit back and watch Rangers spend large sums in the transfer market. Even without the BTC they owe around £50

Nae chance, RFC do not have, and will not have, any funds to put into the transfer market!

As I have said before, RFC next year will be made up of has-beens that no other clubs wants and 50% of their under-19 team!!

AS IT SHOULD BE!!

[PatHead]

Do these apologists not realise that Rangers are in the process of not paying fees to Hearts, Austria Vienna?, Arsenal, Manchester City, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline (though supporters have paid this). They have had the cheek to sell a player to Everton at a great profit without paying his club. I am amazed an embargo was not imposed earlier.

With regard to Fat Ally's comments regarding naming the panel that is the same as asking for the names and addresses of the jury after being found guilty.

[ancienthibby]

Do these apologists not realise that Rangers are in the process of not paying fees to Hearts, Austria Vienna?, Arsenal, Manchester City, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline (though supporters have paid this). They have had the cheek to sell a player to Everton at a great profit without paying his club. I am amazed an embargo was not imposed earlier.

With regard to Fat Ally's comments regarding naming the panel that is the same as asking for the names and addresses of the jury after being found guilty.

Hoi,

Be careful what you say!!

Fat Ally only looks like that because he raided Watty's wardrobe and so now dress himself in Watty's white shirt, his Rankgers tie, his well-used knitted deep-blue waistcoat, his handmedown blazer and his hadtobewidened grey slacks.

You cannot accuse the boy of not trying!!

:faf:

[ScottB]

Do these apologists not realise that Rangers are in the process of not paying fees to Hearts, Austria Vienna?, Arsenal, Manchester City, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline (though supporters have paid this). They have had the cheek to sell a player to Everton at a great profit without paying his club. I am amazed an embargo was not imposed earlier.

With regard to Fat Ally's comments regarding naming the panel that is the same as asking for the names and addresses of the jury after being found guilty.

Like Lennon, but with a bit more intelligence about it, he's doing his best to deflect the supports anger on to anybody that isn't himself or Saint Sir Murray Lord of Govan.

But it is an utter nonsense, as those peoples lives would likely be in danger should their identities be published. Rules that are good enough for criminal trials are good enough for a football one. This nonsense that Rangers should be treated differently, apparently by people they know, and presumably approve of?

As for the appeal, isn't it also heard by an independent? On what grounds can they appeal, is there anything beyond them not being happy? I'd have thought you'd need new evidence or something along those lines...

[SurferRosa]

Do these apologists not realise that Rangers are in the process of not paying fees to Hearts, Austria Vienna?, Arsenal, Manchester City, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline (though supporters have paid this). They have had the cheek to sell a player to Everton at a great profit without paying his club. I am amazed an embargo was not imposed earlier.

With regard to Fat Ally's comments regarding naming the panel that is the same as asking for the names and addresses of the jury after being found guilty.

That`s so they can receive their obligatory death threats and bullets through the post.

[HFC 0-7]

Do these apologists not realise that Rangers are in the process of not paying fees to Hearts, Austria Vienna?, Arsenal, Manchester City, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline (though supporters have paid this). They have had the cheek to sell a player to Everton at a great profit without paying his club. I am amazed an embargo was not imposed earlier.

With regard to Fat Ally's comments regarding naming the panel that is the same as asking for the names and addresses of the jury after being found guilty.

The club should already know who the people are as according to regan, the member clubs OK'd the appointment of 3 people from a list of 100. I think McCoist probably does know who they people are he just wants someone to make all the raging rangers fans know who these people are.

[Spike Mandela]

Then all the creditors have to sit back and watch Rangers spend large sums in the transfer market. Even without the BTC they owe around £50

Nae chance, RFC do not have, and will not have, any funds to put into the transfer market!

As I have said before, RFC next year will be made up of has-beens that no other clubs wants and 50% of their under-19 team!!

AS IT SHOULD BE!!

Disagree entirely. The new owner will spend substantially more money than any nonOF club in the transfer market as per normal.

[ancienthibby]

Disagree entirely. The new owner will spend substantially more money than any nonOF club in the transfer market as per normal.

Disagree entirely, Mr Spike!

Whoever may be left amongst the remnants of bidders for RFCNewHunco, there ain't a single bidder who has got any cash to splash on real transfer business of HunsNewco!

Then, you seem to be forgetting, just what other club on this planet would deal with them, given their recent track record on payment????

[MSK]

8122

[SteveHFC]

http://i42.tinypic.com/dg6nom.jpg

:cb

[Just Alf]

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment. Do you think the Huns have a point in saying it's harsh to fine them now and impose the twelve month transfer embargo before the big tax case verdict? Administration states a ten points deduction, which has happened. Shouldn't other potential sanctions wait until later, or are they reasonable, in light of what Craig Whyte did?

Nope

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OK, slightly longer answer :-) .... none of the rules "broken" are new, none of the fines are out of pre-agreed limits...... so everything the Huns have done was done in the knowledge that, if caught, these might be the penalties..... dunno how they can argue against that? There MIGHT be an argument against NEW penalties being introduced but defo not this recent lot.

EDIT... also you'd thing the Admin/RFC woud want all this on the table ASAP so the they can get on with any sale with everyone knowing the full picture?

[Hibernia Na Eir]

I want further torment for the Huns.
the embargo isn't enough, neither is the fine.
mccoist can fek off, he's on the news desperate to win support.....sorry, but all that went out the door as soon as your club started cheating by paying wages and fees that your club couldn't afford.
how thick can he be to suggest that his club are being treated differently?!!! It's staggering.
No loss to Scottish fitbaw or society when the good folk wind up this famous old horrid institution.

[ScottB]

That's a point, they say they are being treated differently, differently then whom exactly?

No other club has been guilty of the same things as them, and these punishments are presumably all in the rulebook as options for the breaking of the various rules they've been done for. I can only think of Hearts as another club that have been up on disrepute charges, and while they got off scot free, they still aren't really comparable. It could be argued they are in as bad a way as Gretna, who found themselves in Division 3 prior to their doom, and Livingston, who also went to the bottom of the pile.

In any case, Rangers are trailblazers here, so unless these punishments aren't in the rulebook the club agreed to play by, I fail to see the ground for the complaints from anyone involved.

[KB1]

The thing I laugh at is all the chat about "it was all Craig Whyte so why are rangers being penalised" was it not rangers who benefited from the 5 players who were all resigned last summer on enhanced salaries to stop them leaving, the enhanced salaries all funded by not paying their PAYE & NI, these players were their best players who arguably they would have lost if they hadn't cheated!

[SkintHibby]

I want further torment for the Huns.
the embargo isn't enough, neither is the fine.
mccoist can fek off, he's on the news desperate to win support.....sorry, but all that went out the door as soon as your club started cheating by paying wages and fees that your club couldn't afford.
how thick can he be to suggest that his club are being treated differently?!!! It's staggering.
No loss to Scottish fitbaw or society when the good folk wind up this famous old horrid institution.

I used to think McCoist was OK.

Not anymore I don't.

[snooky]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of RFC over its tax evasion is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke (paraphrased)

[EuanH78]

If this was a person they would be looking at the dignitas brochure by now. In fact, it's more like the bereaved relatives continuing to dress up the corpse and put it in a pose at the kitchen table.

Seriously, John Cleese territory here.

Love it :greengrin

[Leithenhibby]

I used to think McCoist was OK.

Not anymore I don't.

He is still ok-ish in my book, he is only doing what any manager would do. He doesn't have the medicine that Der Hun needs and is only trying to hang on to what has been his life :rolleyes:

As my Granny always said "Nothing lasts for ever Son" :greengrin

[KB1]

If this was a person they would be looking at the dignitas brochure by now. In fact, it's more like the bereaved relatives continuing to dress up the corpse and put it in a pose at the kitchen table.

Seriously, John Cleese territory here.

Love it :greengrin

More like Norman Bates territory!!!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Oh my days

What does that mean?

[monktonharp]

Dodds is a wee tit, wi' big lugs. canny stand the wee Hun twat! point of principle re-Dundee ma erse. words cant explain what I think o' the wee cretin!

[greenginger]

Dodds is a wee tit, wi' big lugs. canny stand the wee Hun twat! point of principle re-Dundee ma erse. words cant explain what I think o' the wee cretin!


Was Dodds not a coach or assistant manager when Dundee went into Admin. and he got emptied. Must still be hurting.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm loving the way the Huns are organising boycotts of SFA sponsors like Ladbrokes and McDonalds. They actually think they are that influential and important. How about boycotting the country, ye fannies. :lolrangers:

Thread on Follow Follow - 'Targeting Vauxhall' :faf:


It's brilliant on there. Get yourselves registered and enjoy the show.

[leither17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17833957?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


another nail :cb

[Leithenhibby]

Was Dodds not a coach or assistant manager when Dundee went into Admin. and he got emptied. Must still be hurting.

:agree: He was, funny what a few years can do to you ...:cb

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Football/article/10590/dundee-fc-billy-dodds-insists-his-conscience-is-clear.html

[McD]

Try to keep a straight face whilst reading this:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ag84d1.png

Isn't the word 'impartial' meant to reflect fair and unbiased, in which case not what the moron who created this meant?

Try learning the Queen's english you twat :na na:

[jgl07]

Isn't the word 'impartial' meant to reflect fair and unbiased, in which case not what the moron who created this meant?

Try learning the Queen's english you twat :na na:


They know exactly what they want.

They know if the judgements are fair and unbiased they are screwed!

[SteveHFC]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4277524/It-could-be-final-nail-in-the-coffin.html

The picture :not worth

[Andy Bee]

Talking of sponsors and apologies if this has already been covered, but what would happen with all the sponsorship deals associated with old RFC if they were liquidated? I'm assuming they'd be dead in the water, with new RFC open to offers to deals like JJB, Tennents and Audi again?

[Part/Time Supporter]

Like Lennon, but with a bit more intelligence about it, he's doing his best to deflect the supports anger on to anybody that isn't himself or Saint Sir Murray Lord of Govan.

But it is an utter nonsense, as those peoples lives would likely be in danger should their identities be published. Rules that are good enough for criminal trials are good enough for a football one. This nonsense that Rangers should be treated differently, apparently by people they know, and presumably approve of?

As for the appeal, isn't it also heard by an independent? On what grounds can they appeal, is there anything beyond them not being happy? I'd have thought you'd need new evidence or something along those lines...

:agree:

All the arguments I have read / heard against this ruling - Rangers are too important, effect on whole of Scottish football, Craig Whyte did it all and ran away - are completely irrelevant. Nobody has rebutted the substance of the ruling, therefore it should stand.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Good article by Leckie

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4277457/Why-we-wont-all-help-The-Rangers.html

I am particularly irked by the element of the Rangers public that seems to think that Scottish football owes them something. They couldn't give a stuff about the state of Scottish football when they were spending millions (they didn't have) on a bunch of foreign internationals to cover the fact they were producing hardly any decent homegrown players. Now we're supposed to care about them? It's bad comedy.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This will upset the Huns and their American saviour, google "The Great Disappointment" and see whose name comes up!

[Andy Bee]

Good article by Leckie

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4277457/Why-we-wont-all-help-The-Rangers.html

I am particularly irked by the element of the Rangers public that seems to think that Scottish football owes them something. They couldn't give a stuff about the state of Scottish football when they were spending millions (they didn't have) on a bunch of foreign internationals to cover the fact they were producing hardly any decent homegrown players. Now we're supposed to care about them? It's bad comedy.

Hypocrite,swap Rangers for Celtic and that article could of been written before "St Fergus of McCann" stepped in and saved the lesser greens, get shot of both and let's play fitbaw.

[1875godsgift]

Good article by Leckie

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4277457/Why-we-wont-all-help-The-Rangers.html

I am particularly irked by the element of the Rangers public that seems to think that Scottish football owes them something. They couldn't give a stuff about the state of Scottish football when they were spending millions (they didn't have) on a bunch of foreign internationals to cover the fact they were producing hardly any decent homegrown players. Now we're supposed to care about them? It's bad comedy.

:agree:
One of the most annoying things about the " Scottish football needs the huns " argument is the lack of a similar press angle when they were prostituting themselves to the Premiership. So they'd be prepared to **** on all the other clubs from a great height but now it's hit the fan we've all got to cuddle up and get behind them?
Don't think so.
Also, not only were they spending millions on foreign internationals, they were buying up the best of homegrown talent from other Scottish clubs, using money they didn't ( or shouldn't ) have.
Can they not understand the definition of the word cheating?
A 1 year ban on transfers is a joke, 3 or 5 years minimum, sell off all their assets and let them train on a dog turd strewn public park.

:na na:

[GhostofBolivar]

'This decision could kill the club.' Aye, right. So it's the SFA's fault Rangers are in the state they're in, is it? Has nothing to do with the inbred ****bags wandering around Govan wearing club ties? Nothing to do with the way Whyte and Murray before him spent fortunes that they either didn't have or that belonged to someone else?

If I was in a charitable mood - I'd say that Rangers money men are guilty of gross immorality in the way that their accounts were handled. But I'm not. I would not be at all surprised if it emerged that they knowingly set out to commit fraud, tax evasion and a number of other criminal offences. I think they believed that no-one could touch them because they were the mighty Rangers and that they didn't care whether other clubs or organisations suffered because of their malfeasance. And they probably would have got away with it if they'd kept it to Scotland. But no, they got stupid and greedy and stole from HMRC. And then they found out that the taxman doesn't care about the great cultural institution of The Glorious Rangers FC. Boo-hoo. It's not our fault you dip****s were too greedy and not smart enough to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

The SFA should have acted years ago - but then the Old Firm and the SFA have a relationship much like that between Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch. If they'd done their jobs properly they might have had to stop sucking on the tit of corporate hospitality. And we can't have the chinless wonders from Hampden missing the Ibrox Christmas dinner, can we? Who knows when Donald Findlay is going to do one of his hilarious songs again?

I am now firmly of the opinion that no punishment is strong enough. The creditors should be given as much of the money owed to them as possible and the more unpleasant the way the money is extracted from Ibrox, the better.

And as for this idea that Rangers should be saved for the good of the game? Is it good for the game that Hearts won't get the money owed to them? Or Austria Vienna? Is it good that Rangers have cheated their way to titles and league positions that by rights belonged to honourable, law-abiding teams? It's okay that a club can break almost every financial regulation in place and expect no meaningful punishment? How is that good for the rest of the league?

Juventus had titles stripped from them and were relegated for their part in match-fixing. Rangers are guilty of a multitude of offences, but somehow they think they should get away scot-free. Eh, naw. I know your average weegie isn't the brightest, but even the most cretinous example of cro-magnon man in the locality should be able to understand the basic concept of cause and effect. You spent at least a decade fiddling the books so you could come out ahead. Now you've been caught. **** ye.

Burn Ibrox to the ground and sell the land off for flats. Make Rangers play non-league football and that the only way back into the SFL is if they all convert to Catholicism and beg the pope for forgiveness. Make them play in green and white hooped shirts and turn the club anthem into Ave Maria. Have them play their pre-season friendlies against the Real IRA and a Vatican City XI.

That'd be a deserved punishment and, considering everything they've done, they'd still be lucky to exist.

[Onion]

'This decision could kill the club.' Aye, right. So it's the SFA's fault Rangers are in the state they're in, is it? Has nothing to do with the inbred ****bags wandering around Govan wearing club ties? Nothing to do with the way Whyte and Murray before him spent fortunes that they either didn't have or that belonged to someone else?

If I was in a charitable mood - I'd say that Rangers money men are guilty of gross immorality in the way that their accounts were handled. But I'm not. I would not be at all surprised if it emerged that they knowingly set out to commit fraud, tax evasion and a number of other criminal offences. I think they believed that no-one could touch them because they were the mighty Rangers and that they didn't care whether other clubs or organisations suffered because of their malfeasance. And they probably would have got away with it if they'd kept it to Scotland. But no, they got stupid and greedy and stole from HMRC. And then they found out that the taxman doesn't care about the great cultural institution of The Glorious Rangers FC. Boo-hoo. It's not our fault you dip****s were too greedy and not smart enough to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

The SFA should have acted years ago - but then the Old Firm and the SFA have a relationship much like that between Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch. If they'd done their jobs properly they might have had to stop sucking on the tit of corporate hospitality. And we can't have the chinless wonders from Hampden missing the Ibrox Christmas dinner, can we? Who knows when Donald Findlay is going to do one of his hilarious songs again?

I am now firmly of the opinion that no punishment is strong enough. The creditors should be given as much of the money owed to them as possible and the more unpleasant the way the money is extracted from Ibrox, the better.

And as for this idea that Rangers should be saved for the good of the game? Is it good for the game that Hearts won't get the money owed to them? Or Austria Vienna? Is it good that Rangers have cheated their way to titles and league positions that by rights belonged to honourable, law-abiding teams? It's okay that a club can break almost every financial regulation in place and expect no meaningful punishment? How is that good for the rest of the league?

Juventus had titles stripped from them and were relegated for their part in match-fixing. Rangers are guilty of a multitude of offences, but somehow they think they should get away scot-free. Eh, naw. I know your average weegie isn't the brightest, but even the most cretinous example of cro-magnon man in the locality should be able to understand the basic concept of cause and effect. You spent at least a decade fiddling the books so you could come out ahead. Now you've been caught. **** ye.

Burn Ibrox to the ground and sell the land off for flats. Make Rangers play non-league football and that the only way back into the SFL is if they all convert to Catholicism and beg the pope for forgiveness. Make them play in green and white hooped shirts and turn the club anthem into Ave Maria. Have them play their pre-season friendlies against the Real IRA and a Vatican City XI.

That'd be a deserved punishment and, considering everything they've done, they'd still be lucky to exist.

As general summary this is pretty much spot on :thumbsup:

[hibbiedon]

Rangers now have a new bidder from china that says he will pay off ALL their debt, buy new players, refit the stadium and return rangers to their former glory.
Mr Nay Foo Kin Chans will meet with shareholders this week!

[fit o' the walk]

Reading that they are considering a peaceful and dignified protest march against the SFA on Cup Final day. Lets not kid ourselves on this,they have a huge support and if this goes ahead could have huge implications,esp,to safety. Thoughts??

[pacorosssco]

Reading that they are considering a peaceful and dignified protest march against the SFA on Cup Final day. Lets not kid ourselves on this,they have a huge support and if this goes ahead could have huge implications,esp,to safety. Thoughts??

In Kazakstan we shoot the bear

[Seveno]

In Duff and Phelps action against Collyer Bristow, their QC states :

Phillips told the court that there was no evidence anyone else at Collyer Bristow was involved, but that as Withey had authority to act for the firm, it was liable for the losses flowing from his “conspiracy”.


And yet D&P claim that Rangers, as a club, should not be punished for the actions of two individiduals. These two individuals being the owners of the club.

The hypocrisy is staggering beyond belief.

[staunchhibby]

One would hope that this march is not given permission to go ahead.After all its not our fault that they got themselves into the mess they are in.They should not be allowed to spoil our day.

[Fife-Hibee]

Rangers now have a new bidder from china that says he will pay off ALL their debt, buy new players, refit the stadium and return rangers to their former glory.
Mr Nay Foo Kin Chans will meet with shareholders this week!

Hahaha

[Wembley67]

What exactly are people expecting to happen? The game to be cancelled? The world to implode?

At the worst, there will be diversions put in place and possibly a slight delay to kick off...

[Speedy]

Bloody gloryhunters

[Hibernia Na Eir]

3 simple words for the huns:-
Just fek off.

we don't like them and we don't care :)

[GREEN WARLORD]

March!!! Have you seen the state of most of them, they'll be lucky to get 300 yards before reaching for their inhalers :devil:

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

Im not a violent man and nor do i condone such a thing. but im sure without doubt its not safe.

Hibs fans will get drunk! we will sing at them im sure! something like we are in the cup and you are going down. or something like this.

they will become agressive that we are not behind them in their problems and might start a small fight, that small fight will end up a larger fight and then..............boom!

headlines the next day!

Hibernian wait over one hundred years to win a cup and come home with the double! beat rangers and hearts in one afternoon!

Or

Peaceful rangers fans attacked by crazy cup winning hibs fans!:faf:

[hibs0666]

Reading that they are considering a peaceful and dignified protest march against the SFA on Cup Final day. Lets not kid ourselves on this,they have a huge support and if this goes ahead could have huge implications,esp,to safety. Thoughts??

Fantastic goading opportunity.

[DC_Hibs]

No implications for Hibs fans at all in the unlikely event that they go ahead with it as they will march to the Hertz end of the stadium where they would be welcomed with open arms by their brethren as opposed to the Hibs end where they would be banjoed.

Would be a shame if there are parents concerned about this as there's no need to be.

[Saorsa]

Huns march on Hampden

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/hunsmarch2.jpg

[Leithenhibby]

I can't see the strathclyde polis allowing this to take place!!, yes, perhaps on another day, but for me this is a non-starter.....

[kennyh]

Even if a few hundred try and march on hampden the police will stop them, and I've been to big games at Hampden before where the police set up a check point way before you get to the turnstiles so only Ticket Holdres can get near the ground.

If they walk from the Viccy park side thats fine its the yams who will have to deal with them as not too many Hibs fans will come through that way.

[green glory]

Hopefully the police will deal with them robustly. 'Minimal force' as they say.

The RAF could contribute a couple of Typhoons. Lased guided Hun-control.

[Pretty Boy]

There's an orange March the same morning.

Most of the loyal subjects will be double booked.

[ScottB]

The cops would likely stop them, it's a nonsense.

Quite what they hope to achieve by it I'm not sure, I doubt they know either.

[cad]

This " Rangers In Administration " page after page is addictive I used to deliberately stop reading it for a few days till 6 or 7 pages worth could be read ,a sort of mini series if you like ,so with a bacon butty in hand a cup of tea and a hankie to wipe away the tears I was a very happy guy reading about
"The Fall Of The Rangers Empire " .
Since the SFA have whacked another 6" nail in the coffin a couple of days ago the posts on here and Rangers Media have been priceless the complete and utter disregard for anything or anybody else in this matter beggars belief no amount of hurt should be spared these clowns .

As far as I can see this is the the start of the real po po hitting the fan the SFA doing what it should have done ages ago ,it doesn't end there for them either,at the end of this their breeks will be at their ankles when UEFA come to tear them a new one .
Wee Craig the Motherwell tycoon hasn't been seen for weeks now hold up in some castle he owns with a leggy blond.
Rangers Media have a forum in which ideas how to overcome the situation have resulted in the following suggestions ,blockades, chaining yourself to turnstiles other actions thought up by the mutants , guns , bombs , marches nothing new with that ,players not to play for Scotland , bans on traveling to other Scottish grounds (Oh joy ) a bit of "you said he said" , turning on each other ,whats the script with "The Blue Knights" very KKK if you ask me , and to cap it all the wonderful job the media has done in turning a deefy to the entire situation.
I would have expected news crews and reporters chapping at doors "Anything to say Mr..... " ,or can you make a statement Craig is it true your going to Ticketus Christmas party ,to which he did reply to "I dont really know its a bit to far ahead ", SDM the major player in all this void of a quote to either paper or TV ,for every £5 you spend I will spend £10 seems like only yesterday , Tor Andre Flo , Gazza , Laudrup, Souness ,Wee Dick Advocat ,
the accountants that signed everything off as being true and above board, will all these people be brought to book.
You know and I know only time will tell long may they squirm I say , Im thoroughly enjoying this it makes you feel good knowing the bad guys going to cop a sore one at the end, and just when you think more poo cant hit their fan more classic irregularities come to light .
The great thing about this is you may get withdrawl symptoms when this eventually comes to an end, but the good news is Vlad's mob could be up next .

It is good to be a Hibby we've no had a very good season so far but a cup final won in a week or so against Hertz and it will be party time could be a double celebration the demise of an institution thats been a cancer along with their hooped buddies since day one got rid off ,one down one to go IMO
a Scottish Cup win for the Glorious and The Huns going down the shunky all in one season ,the stuff dreams are made off .

GGTTH:flag:



Couldnt resist maybe the press are getting a conscience


http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4277457/Why-we-wont-all-help-The-Rangers.html

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The local chippies will need to buy in extra vinegar.

[Mikey]

I think the only thing left oustanding is the 'double contract' stuff and that's the SPL's concern.


Cheers.

Do we know who's involved in that? The SPL board presumably, but who makes that up?


Lord Nimmo Smith was one. The others I don't know. I assume this will come out presently, if it's not already out there...


It was mentioned on TV last night that it's an independent tribunal that's dealing with this too so we could see pretty stiff punishments again.

Shame :greengrin

[grunt]

In Duff and Phelps action against Collyer Bristow, their QC states :
Phillips told the court that there was no evidence anyone else at Collyer Bristow was involved, but that as Withey had authority to act for the firm, it was liable for the losses flowing from his “conspiracy”.
And yet D&P claim that Rangers, as a club, should not be punished for the actions of two individiduals. These two individuals being the owners of the club.Good point.

[McD]

In Duff and Phelps action against Collyer Bristow, their QC states :

Phillips told the court that there was no evidence anyone else at Collyer Bristow was involved, but that as Withey had authority to act for the firm, it was liable for the losses flowing from his “conspiracy”.


And yet D&P claim that Rangers, as a club, should not be punished for the actions of two individiduals. These two individuals being the owners of the club.

The hypocrisy is staggering beyond belief.


Absolutely. These are the same administrators who were in one court arguing that Ticketus weren't due anything from future ticket sales as the contract/agreeement wasn't enforceable, and also in a different court at the same time demanding that they be given the 3 million odds sitting in collyer bristow's bank accounts that was left over from the ticketus deal.

[BurghHibby]

:agree:
One of the most annoying things about the " Scottish football needs the huns " argument is the lack of a similar press angle when they were prostituting themselves to the Premiership. So they'd be prepared to **** on all the other clubs from a great height but now it's hit the fan we've all got to cuddle up and get behind them?
Don't think so.
Also, not only were they spending millions on foreign internationals, they were buying up the best of homegrown talent from other Scottish clubs, using money they didn't ( or shouldn't ) have.
Can they not understand the definition of the word cheating?
A 1 year ban on transfers is a joke, 3 or 5 years minimum, sell off all their assets and let them train on a dog turd strewn public park.

:na na:

And then not even playing them - Miller, Ritchie, Adamchuk, etc.

[EskbankHibby]

What i find particularly hypocritical is the assertion that as it is the owners of the club (Murray/Whyte) who were/are culpable and they should be penalised but it's not fair to penalise the club or fans.

Yet the fans and club are more than happy to bask in the glory that their financial doping secured.

Embrace the club and it's operating practice when it's successful, seperate/distance yourself from the club when the toalys hit the fan. Pathetic.

They are apparently only the 'peepul' when it suits.

I would genuinely love to hear what the most ardent of Rangers fans or McCoist would see as an appropriate punishment.

[Vini1875]

Reading that they are considering a peaceful and dignified protest march against the SFA on Cup Final day. Lets not kid ourselves on this,they have a huge support and if this goes ahead could have huge implications,esp,to safety. Thoughts??

The march is proposed for the 28th of April. They are stupid but not that stupid.

[poolman]

He is still ok-ish in my book, he is only doing what any manager would do. He doesn't have the medicine that Der Hun needs and is only trying to hang on to what has been his life :rolleyes:

As my Granny always said "Nothing lasts for ever Son" :greengrin


His hypocracy is mind-boggling


"There are already managers sniffing about our players - I know of that.They are like vultures around our squad which angers and disappoints me"


You and your horrible dying club have been doing that for years ya wee nyaff

[yekimevol]

well there's already going to be 20,000 of them why not some more to celebrate in-front of ?

[fit o' the walk]

The march is proposed for the 28th of April. They are stupid but not that stupid.Read that,but also read they are considering one on 19th May.Obviously publicity and impact in mind.

[Keith_M]

To march on Cup Final day was simply a proposal. This, AFAIK, has now been changed to this Saturday.

Unorganised marches, with no permission, WILL be stopped by Police, have no doubts about that.

[ScottB]

His hypocracy is mind-boggling


"There are already managers sniffing about our players - I know of that.They are like vultures around our squad which angers and disappoints me"


You and your horrible dying club have been doing that for years ya wee nyaff

Obviously forgetting when Rangers were snatching players from the likes of Dundee or us when we all got into degrees of difficulty then.

The consistent attitude of one rule for them and one rule for the rest that comes out of Ibrox is annoying to put it mildly.

[greenginger]

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/304823-rangers-administrators-force-sir-david-murray-to-reveal-correspondence-between-group-and-craig-whytes-lawyers-over-takeover/


The net is closing in on David Murray. We will soon see how " duped " he really was. :agree:

[killie-hibby]

What i find particularly hypocritical is the assertion that as it is the owners of the club (Murray/Whyte) who were/are culpable and they should be penalised but it's not fair to penalise the club or fans.

Yet the fans and club are more than happy to bask in the glory that their financial doping secured.

Embrace the club and it's operating practice when it's successful, seperate/distance yourself from the club when the toalys hit the fan. Pathetic.

They are apparently only the 'peepul' when it suits.

I would genuinely love to hear what the most ardent of Rangers fans or McCoist would see as an appropriate punishment.




What irritates and angers me is the propoganda from the media,particularly the ill researched pundits and broadcasters from BBC Scotland (I dont listen to Real Radio or Radio Clyde. I assume they will be similar to the BBC) who keep telling us without Rangers, other SPL clubs will go to the wall. This verbal diarrhoea is broadcast without quoting facts and figures. THeir implication is that punish Rangers and you are punishing Scottish football. IMOP medium size clubs like Hibs will thrive without Rangers, or indeed both of the Bigot Twins. What a bunch of mugs we are, supporting 10 clubs each striving to be no more than 3rd in the SPL. The same "expert" pundits tell us that crowds are dropping, and it would be catastrophic (Traynor used that word last night) without Rangers. When will the penny drop for these guys and realise that Rangers and Celtic are the problem.

[pentlando]

What i find particularly hypocritical is the assertion that as it is the owners of the club (Murray/Whyte) who were/are culpable and they should be penalised but it's not fair to penalise the club or fans.

Yet the fans and club are more than happy to bask in the glory that their financial doping secured.

Embrace the club and it's operating practice when it's successful, seperate/distance yourself from the club when the toalys hit the fan. Pathetic.

They are apparently only the 'peepul' when it suits.

I would genuinely love to hear what the most ardent of Rangers fans or McCoist would see as an appropriate punishment.

This is the main point for me. Any rule breaking activity was undertaken to benefit Rangers which = benefit to supporters. Any punishment should at least return to equilibrium (big word for this time in the morning :greengrin). Therefore to equal out the benefits Rangers supporters have had, which is over-achievement both domestically and in Europe for 15 years or so, they should endure a period of underachievement of a similar nature.

For me I personally favour the short sharp treatment of liquidation and a NewCo beginning in SFL if accepted. They will likely be back in the SPL in a few years but will probably have lost an element of their support in the journey from Div3.

One thing this whole situation should show is that supporters should be increasingly vigilant to the actions of owners and directors within their football clubs. At the end of the day, when a club is punished the supporters will feel it. Rangers fans should have realised that when they were splashing 12 million pounds for a player something was not right and questions should have been asked then!

[jonty]

what annoys me is that the maximum penalties havent even been applied.
Maximum fines have (and what chance of those being paid?)

Maximum penalty includes termination of membership.

[SurferRosa]

Huns march on Hampden

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/jamie1971/hunsmarch2.jpg

:faf: :faf:

[IWasThere2016]

Obviously forgetting when Rangers were snatching players from the likes of Dundee or us when we all got into degrees of difficulty then.

The consistent attitude of one rule for them and one rule for the rest that comes out of Ibrox is annoying to put it mildly.

:agree: I hope their death is soon!!!


http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/304823-rangers-administrators-force-sir-david-murray-to-reveal-correspondence-between-group-and-craig-whytes-lawyers-over-takeover/

The net is closing in on David Murray. We will soon see how " duped " he really was. :agree:

I wouldn't believe a word SDM says .. he wanted out and was only interested in self preservation not Rangers' preservation IMHO.


what annoys me is that the maximum penalties havent even been applied.
Maximum fines have (and what chance of those being paid?)

Maximum penalty includes termination of membership.

:top marks Get them tae ******!!

[basehibby]

What i find particularly hypocritical is the assertion that as it is the owners of the club (Murray/Whyte) who were/are culpable and they should be penalised but it's not fair to penalise the club or fans.

Yet the fans and club are more than happy to bask in the glory that their financial doping secured.

Embrace the club and it's operating practice when it's successful, seperate/distance yourself from the club when the toalys hit the fan. Pathetic.

They are apparently only the 'peepul' when it suits.

I would genuinely love to hear what the most ardent of Rangers fans or McCoist would see as an appropriate punishment.

:agree: When any other club has been hit with admin/liquidation I have usually felt a lot of sympathy for the fans. But in the case of Rangers, having watched the bigoted mutants that turn up at ER and having listened to the complete and total disregard for the future of the game in Scotland expressed by most huns when fantasising about leaving us all behind to go to England/Atlantic League/whatever, all I can do is sit back with a big grin on my face and say GIRFUY :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Stuart Cosgrove on C4 news: calls NewHuns back in SPL "unthinkable".

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid601325122001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAEabvr4~,Wtd2HT-p_Vh4qBcIZDrvZlvNCU8nxccG&bctid=1581415319001

[basehibby]

Reading that they are considering a peaceful and dignified protest march against the SFA on Cup Final day. Lets not kid ourselves on this,they have a huge support and if this goes ahead could have huge implications,esp,to safety. Thoughts??

Get them away to f***! They are a bunch of cheating muppets and have NOTHING to protest about - they are getting what they deserve and have no call to spoil our day out with their dummy spitting antics.

[Leithenhibby]

[QUOTE=poolman;3196262]His hypocracy is mind-boggling


"There are already managers sniffing about our players - I know of that.They are like vultures around our squad which angers and disappoints me"


You and your horrible dying club have been doing that for years ya wee nyaff[B]




I know what you are saying, but would we not want our manager to fight tooth and nail for us? :agree:

Too ******g right i would, and that's what he is doing ... Not that it will do any good :greengrin

[calmac12000]

As far as I can make it the Currant Buns are basically saying thie is no fair and its our ball| It is particularly enlightening to hear them and their acolytes claim that their club should not be punished because of the actions of those at the top. Unfortunately for their simplistic minds, those at the top are viryually synonymous with their club and legally as the controlling influence duly responsible in law. Oops, I forgot the real world does not exist as far as Rangers are concerned!

[jgl07]

I sense that there is a change in the line in much of the media away from the 'Scottish Football needs Rangers' approach towards a more balanced approach. The items in the Herald seem to be moving to a position that rangers must be punished for the irregularities and crimes dating back to the David Murray era as well as to the Craig Whyte regime.

I think that the proponents of letting a Newco Rangers back into the SPL will be forced to retreat in the wake of public opinion.

[JeMeSouviens]

Full interview with Chubby from HunTV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJXFJyxr0Lk&feature=youtu.be

:bitchy:

The big boy did it and ran away defence gets another airing. Wants to know the identities of SFA panel members (yeah, good one Ally, it's not like your deranged moronic support would do anything stupid like send them bullets and bombs through the post, is it?) Apart from that the SFA should basically be bending over and funding the Huns through their time of need, what with them being the peepul an a that.

Right through this saga, McCoist's pronouncements have generally been along the lines of it'll all be ok and he'll be back to rebuilding his squad in the summer. Think a few pennies might finally be dropping. :wink:

[The_Sauz]

Rangers now have a new bidder from china that says he will pay off ALL their debt, buy new players, refit the stadium and return rangers to their former glory.
Mr Nay Foo Kin Chans will meet with shareholders this week!
:faf: Just spilled ma coffee and wet my pants....all at the same time! :greengrin

[CyberSauzee]

Is the double contract issue directly related to the EBTs and the BTC?

The reason I ask is that I was under the impression that some players with EBTs were given something in writing to indicate that they could take a 'loan' from their EBT at some point in the future to make up for the shortfall in their salaries (this 'loan' of course never having to be repaid). This in effect being a 'second' contract in terms of contract law, and if you are HMRC, a way of evading income tax and NI contributions.

[poolman]

[QUOTE=poolman;3196262]His hypocracy is mind-boggling


"There are already managers sniffing about our players - I know of that.They are like vultures around our squad which angers and disappoints me"


You and your horrible dying club have been doing that for years ya wee nyaff[B]




I know what you are saying, but would we not want our manager to fight tooth and nail for us? :agree:

Too ******g right i would, and that's what he is doing ... Not that it will do any good :greengrin


Your missing the point here

It's not a question of fighting tooth and nail for your club, of course I would want it if it were us

It's the hypocracy of the wee t*at moaning about other managers looking at Hun players

[Jack]

Will I do?

I'm in two minds about whether the fine should be considered a pre-administration debt, in which case it would fall into the CVA pot, or an administration cost which the administrators would have to pay in full, thereby reducing the amount available for pre-administration creditors.

There's an argument for both, but I'm leaning towards the former. (I'm not really all-seeing and all-knowing, that was just bluster.)

Yes you will Mr Green! Thank you :aok:

But here’s another :rolleyes:

Just been mentioned a few posts up about rangers annual accounts [or MIM]. These have been signed off by the accountants as giving a ‘true and fair view’ or whatever you guys say these days, of the company [or companies].

I cant recall any media statements suggesting the accountants over the last 15 – 20+ years said these crooks are up to their necks in deceit, tax evasion and dodgy dealings so what, if any, are the implications for the accountancy firm(s) involved?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm sensing anger from ghost of bolivar and Cad. The vibes aren't friendly :greengrin