Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[stokesmessiah]

I really don't understand why sevco should think them supporting a change to the 11:1 voting structure is a card they have to play. Given that it is only the OF who now support 11:1, any decision which sees sevco not allowed into the SPL can quickly be followed by another vote of SPL members in which celtc can vote to retain it and the rest of the clubs can support the change to e.g. 8:4

Correct. It might of been a carrot on a stick prior to the CVA being chucked out but it is now a totally and utterly defunct point. See you later Rangers we reject you your access to the SPL, oh hello Dundee listen do you fancy getting a bigger share of the readies in the SPL??? Good then join us in voting through this rule change and we will have the power.

I hope to god that lot end out on their ear i really do. More than anything now i wish someone would just end it, its getting ridiculous and ppl have the brass neck to saying not having them in the league would affect other clubs ability to attract sponsors. Because they are just queing up to sponsor a rigged league that is being dragged through the mire oh and to top it all off the club that done it has also stiffed the ordinary tax payer for near on £100m.

Disgusting situation and more importantly is the disgusting way it is now being handled by the people reportedly in charge of the game in this country and the media.

Sorry. Rant done.

[jamesjamieson]

That is embarassing. Is there no end to the SFA/SPL corruption??

If they do this its just for Rangers to come back within a year - bending, completely changing rules for a dead football team

Sickening - every fan in Scotland (Sevco FC apart) need to stick together on this or the Scottish game is finished.

:top marks

[Littlest Hobo]

I've got two neebors in my street who are Rangers daft, I think I'll try and use my powers of persuasion toget them to change their allegiance to a local team like Hibs. :greengrin

[calmac12000]

I think thats a pretty fair assessment to be honest. The outcomes of the various investigations are where things get slightly muddy for me. I am not sure I trust the SFA/SPL to dish out the appropriate punishment. Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised.

Couldn't agree more, it seems the closer we get to some sort of resolution of this saga more effort is expended by the dark forces surrounding Castle Greyskull to create obfuscations heavily laced with logical inconsistencies ans downright untruths. The bottom line remains that what was the Huns have been cheating on an almost industrial scale for years, not satisfied with the advantage emanating fron the deep cleavages in Scottish society. Quite frankly, I an sick to fed up with the continual rewriting of reality and blatant partiality shown on behalf of this "institution" and that if they are saved from the consequences of their own actions it will be nothing more or less than corruption on a grand scale. A corruption that I for one do not wish to partake in.

[Brando7]

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/fraud_protection/phoenix_company_fraud

I quote

"Although this is perfectly legal, fraud is committed when the directors abuse the phoenix company arrangement and transfer the assets of the failing company below their market value, before insolvency"

Sound Familiar????

[Dashing Bob S]

:top marks

Basically, they are proposing to change the name of Division One to SPL 2, and have Rangers start there. So transparently corrupt it's laughable.

[magpie1892]

What does it say?

From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

[joe breezy]

How backward are these people and what century are they living in :rolleyes::bitchy:



From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."

[magpie1892]

How backward are these people and what century are they living in :rolleyes::bitchy:

17th century, at a guess.

[down-the-slope]

17th century, at a guess.

Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

[magpie1892]

Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

There's a difference?

[seanshow]

Taking into account what has been said by Jim Spence and leaked out by Yorkston.
The fans of the 10 clubs are now making the decisions for this league and not the chairmen, By holding onto their cash and not buying season tickets and quote "putting clubs into meltdown".
By holding their position for another month or so the fans of the 10 clubs can guarantee a No vote regarding the newco in the SPL.
Simple math of even a 1000 people at £400 and there is your huge hole in a clubs balance, that rivals any loss by Tv revenue.

This has to be the reason for a sudden rush for League reconstruction imo. Time for the fans to hold strong :wink:

...........(also power from the other remaining Glasgow 'giant' has been greatly reduced since their rivals were liquidated, so their ass will be flapping)

[CallumLaidlaw]

Taking into account what has been said by Jim Spence and leaked out by Yorkston.
The fans of the 10 clubs are now making the decisions for this league and not the chairmen, By holding onto their cash and not buying season tickets and quote "putting clubs into meltdown".
By holding their position for another month or so the fans of the 10 clubs can guarantee a No vote regarding the newco in the SPL.
Simple math of even a 1000 people at £400 and there is your huge hole in a clubs balance, that rivals any loss by Tv revenue.

This has to be the reason for a sudden rush for League reconstruction imo. Time for the fans to hold strong :wink:

...........(also power from the other remaining Glasgow 'giant' has been greatly reduced since their rivals were liquidated, so their ass will be flapping)

I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

[DC_Hibs]

I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


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For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Was it Cheshire/Warrington Hibs that did the SPL survey?
If they can tie in to email addresses perhaps they can follow up to see how attitudes have changed/hardened over time and to ask about this potential fudge?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I've got two neebors in my street who are Rangers daft, I think I'll try and use my powers of persuasion toget them to change their allegiance to a local team like Hibs. :greengrin
I know we're inclusive but ... :wink:

[mrdependable]

Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

An excellent message :top marks

[CentreLine]

We hated Glasgow Rangers
We will hate Sevco too
And we hate Hearts and Celtic
But the Hibees we love you.
Altogether now...

:flag:

Can't have that becase there is no such football club as Glasgow Rangers any more

But we can have

We hate SEVCO 5088
We hate Celtic to
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

All together NOW.........

[Phil D. Rolls]

Fan Power!!


taken from the bounce:

"The email has been sent to the SPL clubs, SFA, SPL and various scottish media contacts also.
Hopefully other fan groups can do similar as our main collective aim should be to get the message across to the clubs prior to any vote taking place.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For the attention of the Board of Directors

The following letter represents the views of the majority of users on the two main Hibernian fans forums hibs.net and hibeesbounce.com with 10,298 and 11,575 registered users respectively. The position of these fans is abundantly clear based on two opinion polls carried out within the last week on the aforementioned websites and a multitude of other threads on this subject.

1224 (99.19%) of users polled stated a Rangers Newco should not be allowed into the SPL in 2012/13.
103 (90.35%) stated they would be willing to boycott the stadia of clubs voting yes to a Rangers Newco.



To SPL Clubs:

Sirs

Mindful of the imminent meeting of SPL chairmen to consider the application of Newco Rangers to gain admission to our Premier League, we, the fans of Hibernian F.C., consider it vital that you should be aware of our feelings on the matter so that you are better enabled to come to a decision in the interests of the game of football in Scotland.

Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.

We are aware that some among you are fearful of the financial consequences of a league without Newco Rangers. Let us point out to you that any losses you contemplate are minimal compared with what you have already lost in diminished attendances. When disaffected fans realised that they had little or no chance of winning silverware of any kind, they preferred to stay at home. Top league placings, European competition and resultant financial benefits remained, forever, the exclusive, almost right, of the premier two.

We put it to you that a future involving a re-admitted Newco promises to be even more bleak financially. A large number of fans are resolved not to return to Scottish football at all. Those who will return have made it clear that they will attend no games involving Newco Rangers or indeed games involving clubs whose directors have acquiesced in inclusion. This is in no way a threat, rather a warning of the financial and other consequences of what we consider a misguided vote.

A number of us watched football in Scotland when the playing field was much more level, when any one of a number of excellent clubs might gain the laurel wreath. That possibility has been thwarted in recent times by filthy lucre, and recently corruption.

Let us restore pride and probity to our game, both more important and less ephemeral than a handful of silver. We have no doubt that our game will profit more in so many respects if corruption is consigned to where it belongs.

We, the fans of the other Scottish clubs, who are endeavouring to live within our means, would urge you to administer commensurate punishment, no more, and to reject the overtures of a rabid and self-interested Glasgow media. We ask this with the best interests of our game at heart, both local and international. Judas, it must be remembered, gained nothing from his abandonment of integrity.

Yours sincerely

- on behalf of Hibernian Fans"

WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

[DC_Hibs]

WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

Haha.....did you no' see the polls that are referred to ya daftie??
Those polls give a clear enough view of the feelings of most Hibs fans.

The above was carefully worded so as not to rile those who will not have anyone speak on their behalf but I supposed there was always a danger that the "on behalf of Hibernian supporters" would enrage a few like yerself Rollsy!

Try not let it spoil your Sunday and chill out a wee bit man.

Mike Riley, I sympathise with you.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Haha.....did you no' see the polls that are referred to ya daftie??
Those polls give a clear enough view of the feelings of most Hibs fans.

The above was carefully worded so as not to rile those who will not have anyone speak on their behalf but I supposed there was always a danger that the "on behalf of Hibernian supporters" would enrage a few like yerself Rollsy!

Try not let it spoil your Sunday and chill out a wee bit man.

Mike Riley, I sympathise with you.

:na na:

[tamig]

I was shocked when Yorkston said a spl club had only sold a 100 ST's. That's crazy

I've been a ST holder for 28 years now. This is the first year I haven't renewed - and I'm still holding back until we see the outcome of this shambles.

[The Falcon]

Fan Power!!


Be in no doubt whatsoever that we are fervently opposed to the admission of a club which, though it may have given itself a new name, is of the same spiritual essence, and has been responsible for the greatest fraudulence perpetrated in sport in Scotland, described by an eminent advocate as tantamount to match fixing.



Was this actually said? I know it was said (Carloway?) that the only thing that could have been worse was match fixing but I cant recall anyone saying, other than us :greengrin, that it was the "tantamount to match fixing"

[SurferRosa]

Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=222962

[stokesmessiah]

From swallowswallow:

"This is a time when those of a Protestant, Unionist and/or Loyalist persuasion take to the streets to demonstrate their respect for their country and their faith and freedoms. At this time when we are beset on all sides and surrounded by complete hatred, it is time to come together as a people and support those who do so.

Appeasement has not worked. We have rightly stopped certain add-ons and chants. We have given up on classic songs and not been able to find alternatives without risk of punishment. The dark spectre of independence hangs over our country and there is a lack of respect for bothe scotland and the Uk with an Irish-minded mafia ruling the roost in our country for which millions have fought and died over centuries.

We should get back to our roots, and stick with our friends. The Orange Order, the Royal Black Institution, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, the Masonic and even things like the Church and the Boy's Brigade, all have ties to our Football Club, whether we like it or not.

Now I understand why the OO do not like to admit members in June or July, people who might join just to be part of the wonderful celebrations during the summer and then disappear. However, I would open it up to all at this time. Whether people are allowed to march or not, the fraternal organisations are open to members and should be all year.

I think this year in particular we should get right behind the celebrations. If an atheist or anti-religious, it is still perfectly acceptable to show support for an Institution that supports and celebrates freedom of religion. If an RC but Rangers-minded then the same applies. These organisations are not all about Rangers but those who support other teams within them probably don't have the same level of vitriol towards us.

This is possibly the only opportunity we have on an annual basis, in June, July and August, to demonstrate for our traditional beliefs and culture. It is no longer anti-anything, but simply pro-Protestant and the Union, or the right to be British. I hope there is a great turnout this year and it is a family celebration like never before. If we don't support our traditional organisations they too will be forced off the road and we will have no vehicle for demonstration. Rangers fans have shown great decorum so far so the blue bag brigade should become a thing of te past and these things are a time for family celebration, in this year of our Queen's Diamond Jubilee, I wish every Rangers supporter, and sympathetic Scotsman or Briton, would give it their full support and backing."


Is that Ezekiel 25:17???

[thebakerboy]

The fixture lists for next season come out tomorrow with no Rangers on them instead there will be fixtures against Club 12.

[ScottB]

The cheek to go on about respecting a country that the institution they want to be saved defrauded out of £100million.

It shows how mad they are when they describe the Daily ******* Record as a 'Catholic Rag,' that they are convinced the SFA is against them, a body that, a long with the SPL has bent over backwards at every opportunity and ignored their disgusting chants and bigoted hate songs.

No, no, it's all against them, everyone that doesn't wear a Rangers strip on a daily basis is clearly a hated Catholic out to get them...

[Hank Schrader]

Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=222962

They actually make me feel ill. I cannot begin to describe just how much I despise Sevco and their horrible, backward, moronic supporters.

[Billychaotic182]

Hopefully Dundee

[tamig]

This only highlights the farce that is Scottish football. Only here could something like this happen. :rolleyes:

[Brando7]

Have they changed their name again?

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/8a3b197ba12caa1bd9742ad2cf7e2352/compdetails

[marinello59]

Was this actually said? I know it was said (Carloway?) that the only thing that could have been worse was match fixing but I cant recall anyone saying, other than us :greengrin, that it was the "tantamount to match fixing"

You are probably right but excusable as it lets the word 'tantamount' be used again and again. Tantamount. One of my favourite words. That and 'lingerie' :greengrin

[HibbyDave]

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18471197

Looks like Regan is taking charge and is clearly fed up with SPL faffing. :agree:
Looks to me ......more like Regan read MY POST from last week stating that this is exactly the route they would take as it lets everyone get something out of this pathetic situation.

[easty]

Well,this is what the orcs think....

" It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation? "


This is the link to the thread...some of the replies to this are hunbelievable. This is why the investigation into dual contracts and the ineligible players etc MUST continue.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=222962

They're ****ing eejits. We should round them up a giant wicker man and burn the lot if them....then I'll just change my name from Andy Easton to THE Andy Easton 2012. Good luck tracking down Andy Easton for prosecution, he doesnae exist anymore.

[KdyHby]

Sounds like a massacre of seals

[Hibernia Na Eir]

This only highlights the farce that is Scottish football. Only here could something like this happen. :rolleyes:

what about match fixing in corrupt countries like Italy? or other shenanigans in the likes of Russia or Turkey?

[Littlest Hobo]

Decisions should already have been made.

Scottish football = embarrassment

[Skol]

In part he is technically correct that they are not in liquidation, yet. However he is deluded if he thinks they came out of administration.

[Sean1875]

Hopefully Dundee

Will it definitely be Dundee taking the spare spot? What about Dunfermline?

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/fraud_protection/phoenix_company_fraud

I quote

"Although this is perfectly legal, fraud is committed when the directors abuse the phoenix company arrangement and transfer the assets of the failing company below their market value, before insolvency"

Sound Familiar????

Unfortunately, that's not what happened in RFC's case. They were already insolvent when they transferred (some of :greengrin) the assets.

[Jack]

When Club 12 are noted in the fixtures would someone look out to see if the home fixtures clash with Dundee, as they should, or celtc.

That might give an indication of the SPL thoughts on how the whole thing will pan out.

If they clash with Dundee Utd then the zombiehuns are in.

If they clash with celtc then Dundee are in.

If its neutral then ...

[Mon Dieu4]

When Club 12 are noted in the fixtures would someone look out to see if the home fixtures clash with Dundee, as they should, or celtc.

That might give an indication of the SPL thoughts on how the whole thing will pan out.

If they clash with Dundee Utd then the zombiehuns are in.

If they clash with celtc then Dundee are in.

If its neutral then ...

always the option of moving the clashing game to a Sunday

[SurferRosa]

In part he is technically correct that they are not in liquidation, yet. However he is deluded if he thinks they came out of administration.

It was more the general gist of that thread that bothered me. The idea that they had gotten away with it. Their club had escaped their responsibilities relatively intact and debt-free with a clean slate and ready to pay back the SPL and all their enemies for " our hatred and bigotry while kicking them when they were down ".

This is why pressure must be brought upon the SPL and SFA to continue with their investigations into double contracts and ineligible players and if Cheats FC are found to be guilty, then the ZombieHuns must take the punishment. They cannot be allowed to just carry on as Rangers like nothing had happened. We are already seeing the campaign start in the media to just have them relegated to the 1st Division...

Are the SFA using the guise of " re-structuring the league " as a way of avoiding the application of their own rules regarding the criteria for membership. Re-organise the league and we`ll work Rangers in at a higher level while still making it look like they are being punished. :dunno:

Also, a question, why is there even any need for a vote to see if the Zombies play in the SPL? This NewCo, as i understand it, dont even fullfil the SPLs criteria to allow them to play anyway. They should be applying for whatever other league would have them, surely....

[jdships]

WTF? I don't remember being asked to take part in any referendum.

Serious question !

Do you mean you are not in agreance with the thrust of the letter and that Rankers should be in SPL 2012/13 ?
:greengrin:wink:

[Brando7]

Not seen anyone post this today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9337279/Rangers-would-have-to-start-in-Scottish-League-Division-Three-says-SFL-chief-executive-David-Longmuir.html#

Well done David Longmuir:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[jgl07]

Rangers have finally issued an apology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

[down-the-slope]

Not seen anyone post this today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9337279/Rangers-would-have-to-start-in-Scottish-League-Division-Three-says-SFL-chief-executive-David-Longmuir.html#

Well done David Longmuir:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:greengrin Excellent...thats another suggested bit of guff dealt with..SFA won't have time for longer term reorganisation...and SFL are adamant that NewCo's only option is to apply (no cert) to Div3

[Phil D. Rolls]

Serious question !

Do you mean you are not in agreance with the thrust of the letter and that Rankers should be in SPL 2012/13 ?
:greengrin:wink:

I think I could be persuaded to have them start off in the juniors, now that a pyramid system has been mooted.

[Seveno]

I think that the correct course of action when it comes to Club 12 would be to give it to Dunfermline. After all, they suffered from the cheating last season.

[Nuitdelune]

I think that the correct course of action when it comes to Club 12 would be to give it to Dunfermline. After all, they suffered from the cheating last season.

Also Dundee might be better than us so yes, Dumfy

[CentreLine]

:greengrin Excellent...thats another suggested bit of guff dealt with..SFA won't have time for longer term reorganisation...and SFL are adamant that NewCo's only option is to apply (no cert) to Div3

But why do they keep referring to SEVCO 5088 as "Rangers"?

[Waxy]

Who will it be against?
I'll have a guess at Queens park away.
But i hope it's away to East Stirling.


And they lose

[21.05.2016]

Dont care who their first game is against just as long as it is a 3rd division team.

[Prof. Shaggy]

Its not 17th Centry...just modern day Armadale

This is a wee bit unfair.

[down-the-slope]

This is a wee bit unfair.

Ok Ok...the 17th Century had some positives....

[down-the-slope]

Who will it be against?
I'll have a guess at Queens park away.
But i hope it's away to East Stirling.


And they lose


So they could say there are still a big club...playing at Hampden :tee hee:

[Minder]

Hibs away:devil:

[ac1]

Kenny Shiels -

"Kilmarnock boss Kenny Shiels: SPL chairmen should be allowed secret vote over newco Rangers
Jun 16 2012 By Colin Duncan
KENNY SHIELS has called for a secret ballot to be used in deciding the fate of newco Rangers.
The Kilmarnock boss reckons SPL clubs who vote on whether to admit the fallen Ibrox giants will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
An eight-strong majority is required by the newco Ibrox outfit when the top-flight club chiefs convene some time in the next fortnight at Hampden.
Rangers’ demise and their non-participation in the SPL would be hugely detrimental to the game and the 11 chairmen are acutely aware of this – despite the majority of supporters keen to see the back of Ally McCoist’s side.
Killie chairman Michael Johnston faces this very dilemma – and whichever way he casts his vote there will be recriminations.
Shiels believes a private ballot would help protect clubs from any backlash as they contemplate arguably the most important decision in Scottish football history.
He said: “A secret ballot would be the best solution as the clubs would not be put in an awkward position.
“I don’t think a show of hands is the best way to go on this. There will be a fall-out either way so a ballot would benefit the whole of Scottish football.
“The decision to be made is huge and will affect so many people in so many ways.
“I compare it to a decision you would make regarding your family. You have to look after your family and you have to make a decision that is in their best interests.
“Clubs have to do the same when it comes to the vote on a Rangers newco.”
A number of chairmen and chief executives are ready to say “no” to allowing The Rangers FC into the SPL – with Aberdeen yesterday morning insisting sporting integrity must remain central to their decision.
But when push comes to shove will the other clubs stick to their beliefs or perform a U-turn?
Shiels understands both sides of the argument. But he believes the choice to be made by SPL clubs is a simple one.
He said: “We’re in real danger of over-complicating this with too many people trying to take the moral high ground. In my opinion it is quite simple. A lot has been said about Rangers but it all boils down to this – clubs have to make a call that is in their best interests.”
Shiels accepts non- payment of taxes cannot go unpunished but feels the HMRC rejection of Rangers’ CVA sends an ominous warning to the rest of football.
And he added: “All clubs have to very careful in the way they are run as I believe the taxman is out to get football.
“The news of Rangers was like a death in the football family. But we must move on and we have to stand up for our industry.
“It’s time for people and organisations to stick together and start working as one for the good of the game.
“It’s not about hammering people in order to gain some bragging rights.
“We need to reach some kind of agreement suitable to all the parties involved so we can move forward.”


If its a secret vote and Rangers get back in a total boycott is required.

'A death in the football family' - is he having a laugh??

[calmac12000]

Kenny Shiels -

"Kilmarnock boss Kenny Shiels: SPL chairmen should be allowed secret vote over newco Rangers
Jun 16 2012 By Colin Duncan
KENNY SHIELS has called for a secret ballot to be used in deciding the fate of newco Rangers.
The Kilmarnock boss reckons SPL clubs who vote on whether to admit the fallen Ibrox giants will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
An eight-strong majority is required by the newco Ibrox outfit when the top-flight club chiefs convene some time in the next fortnight at Hampden.
Rangers’ demise and their non-participation in the SPL would be hugely detrimental to the game and the 11 chairmen are acutely aware of this – despite the majority of supporters keen to see the back of Ally McCoist’s side.
Killie chairman Michael Johnston faces this very dilemma – and whichever way he casts his vote there will be recriminations.
Shiels believes a private ballot would help protect clubs from any backlash as they contemplate arguably the most important decision in Scottish football history.
He said: “A secret ballot would be the best solution as the clubs would not be put in an awkward position.
“I don’t think a show of hands is the best way to go on this. There will be a fall-out either way so a ballot would benefit the whole of Scottish football.
“The decision to be made is huge and will affect so many people in so many ways.
“I compare it to a decision you would make regarding your family. You have to look after your family and you have to make a decision that is in their best interests.
“Clubs have to do the same when it comes to the vote on a Rangers newco.”
A number of chairmen and chief executives are ready to say “no” to allowing The Rangers FC into the SPL – with Aberdeen yesterday morning insisting sporting integrity must remain central to their decision.
But when push comes to shove will the other clubs stick to their beliefs or perform a U-turn?
Shiels understands both sides of the argument. But he believes the choice to be made by SPL clubs is a simple one.
He said: “We’re in real danger of over-complicating this with too many people trying to take the moral high ground. In my opinion it is quite simple. A lot has been said about Rangers but it all boils down to this – clubs have to make a call that is in their best interests.”
Shiels accepts non- payment of taxes cannot go unpunished but feels the HMRC rejection of Rangers’ CVA sends an ominous warning to the rest of football.
And he added: “All clubs have to very careful in the way they are run as I believe the taxman is out to get football.
“The news of Rangers was like a death in the football family. But we must move on and we have to stand up for our industry.
“It’s time for people and organisations to stick together and start working as one for the good of the game.
“It’s not about hammering people in order to gain some bragging rights.
“We need to reach some kind of agreement suitable to all the parties involved so we can move forward.”


If its a secret vote and Rangers get back in a total boycott is required.

'A death in the football family' - is he having a laugh??

The only family I now that acts like Sheils advocates resides in Palermo I believe. Although, it may have adherents in the North of Ireland.

[Cabbage East]

Shiels can GTF. Killie are the biggest cheerleaders for the new Huns so they can face the consequences without hiding behind anonymity.

[Lungo--Drom]

...and they lose too :D 3-0 to the home side.
The entire match in the pouring rain, and they've got a old second hand bus with no heating for the long drive back to the crumbling pile of red bricks in the Queen's Borough of Govan.


Dont care who their first game is against just as long as it is a 3rd division team.

[Jim44]

I find Shiels' suggestion incredulous. What does he and his pathetic chairman have to hide? Zilch. We all know who they are voting for and an anonimous vote will do nothing to prevent hopefully every 'no' club supporter in the country boycotting every game at Rugby Park next season. The total loss from that will be far greater than the loss of two home games against the huns. Also, in my opinion, Sky won't renege on their contract with the SPl. So hell mend you, Killie.

[Eyrie]

Can't have that becase there is no such football club as Glasgow Rangers any more

But we can have

We hate SEVCO 5088
We hate Celtic to
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

All together NOW.........
Your first line doesn't work, but this does

We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate Sevco too
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

[Eyrie]

Peterhead away, followed by a midweek Challenge Cup trip to Elgin.

[pentlando]

Graham Spiers Twitter Post


Graham Spiers ‏@GrahamSpiers
If current vibes are correct then Celtic, Dons, Hibs, D Utd, M'Well + St Mirren all set to vote RFC to Div 3. A dire fate - but a just one.
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I assume he would be more in the know than average Joe, so possibly promising vibes if anything.

[JohnStephens91]

Queens Park away, got to start them off on their 3rd Division quest with a local derby! :greengrin

[Pete]

That is embarassing. Is there no end to the SFA/SPL corruption??

If they do this its just for Rangers to come back within a year - bending, completely changing rules for a dead football team

Sickening - every fan in Scotland (Sevco FC apart) need to stick together on this or the Scottish game is finished.

This is where I'm at now and I'm starting to understand those guys who say they will walk away from Scottish football altogether.

The time for action is now apparently and something has to be done when a big club goes into liquidation. They don't even try and hide the fact they are doing this to try and keep Rangers within striking distance of the top flight. It proves that they are all corrupt, rotten and bias to the core. All of these organisations are not fit for purpose and all this squirming is pathetic...trying to throw us little carrots and hoping we'll ignore the fact the whole structure of football is being changed because of one club.

It's cringeworthy that Rangers have become that bloated in such a small country their very existence seems to be bigger than the league they play in. What's even sadder are the reasons why they are so big.

I'd be happy for us to quit Scotland altogether and apply to join the lowest league in England we can. At least there's a level playing field.

...and maybe Vladimir Romanov isn't so crazy after all.

[Pete]

Graham Spiers Twitter Post


Graham Spiers ‏@GrahamSpiers
If current vibes are correct then Celtic, Dons, Hibs, D Utd, M'Well + St Mirren all set to vote RFC to Div 3. A dire fate - but a just one.
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I assume he would be more in the know than average Joe, so possibly promising vibes if anything.

It's quite annoying that everyone is under the impression that this "gang of ten" are somehow voting Rangers "out" of anything. This new company aren't in ANYTHING and we simply wouldn't be letting them in the SPL. Anyway, who are RFC?

Maybe I'm wrong and it is up to the bad clubs like us to decide what league Sevco 90210 play in next year. We should press Rod to vote for the Central taxis five-a-side league at the pitz, sighthill.

[JohnStephens91]

Also if the fans old Rangers (died 2012) do stick by the Newco and you have 3000 loyal Huns going to somewhere like Annan or Montrose then surely the grounds can't cope with it. Imagine 3000 fans trying to get into Annan Athletics ground, the policing costs alone would be ridiculous.

[jgl07]

Your first line doesn't work, but this does

We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate Sevco too
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

We hate Glasgow Rangers
We hate Sevco too
We hate the *******s from Ibrox
And The Rangers FC, we hate you.

[Just_Jimmy]

We hated Glasgow Rangers
We now hate Sevco too
We hate the *******s from Ibrox
And The Rangers FC, we hate you.

tweeked

[Sylar]

St Johnstone away.

Have a feeling (similar to eating a bad egg) that they'll be voted back in.

If that pans out, I couldn't care less about predicting the score.

[NOLA]

while there is no great love in shared by the other EssPhell clubs, you have to reason that sellik, hertz for the added revenue , cos every penny counts there way, and the smaller clubs ie. st mirren , st johnstone, ross county,ICT, killie and not forgetting rangers themselves will vote rangers back in to the top tier :rolleyes: short term gain for long term scottish football sh*te, if it goes this way im done with the spl, Hibs will be in my Heart forever but i wont put money into keeping the spl afloat, Hibs done allright with me not even born, my 2 seats wont go missed i reckon, heres hoping im wrong though.

[Hibby cal]

What's the chances of team 12
Being drawn to play Celtic on
Jan 1st 2013?????
Today's fixture list should give
A good indication as to what
Sfa are up to.
Just got this feeling they're
Going to creep back in to
The SPL.:pfgwa

[Onion]

Your first line doesn't work, but this does

We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate Sevco too
We hate Heart of Midlothian
But the Hibees we love you

Think we should just ignore Team 12 from now on and replace them with a "proper" football club like Brechin. The Team 12 fans will hate being ignored :greengrin

[Onion]

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Graham Spiers ‏@GrahamSpiers
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I assume he would be more in the know than average Joe, so possibly promising vibes if anything.

So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

[joe breezy]

So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

Considering Hearts used EBTs and if investigated may have more misdemeanours it makes quite a lot of sense...

They're thinking 'we're next'

[matty_f]

Also if the fans old Rangers (died 2012) do stick by the Newco and you have 3000 loyal Huns going to somewhere like Annan or Montrose then surely the grounds can't cope with it. Imagine 3000 fans trying to get into Annan Athletics ground, the policing costs alone would be ridiculous.

They'll just have to take fewer fans. Make it all ticket and that problem is solved.

[tamig]

what about match fixing in corrupt countries like Italy? or other shenanigans in the likes of Russia or Turkey?

This was in reply to the thread about Club 12. It's been merged into the big thread.

[lord bunberry]

So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

When has the mad one ever made any sense

[Offside Trap]

Also if the fans old Rangers (died 2012) do stick by the Newco and you have 3000 loyal Huns going to somewhere like Annan or Montrose then surely the grounds can't cope with it. Imagine 3000 fans trying to get into Annan Athletics ground, the policing costs alone would be ridiculous.

Ah but remember the Hun hordes will be boycotting everything and anything that is seen to be unfairly penalising them for their (only very minor and it wisnae really us) transgressions. See the thinking will work along the lines of:

"Here Billy - tae get tae Annan fae Guvan we huv drive close to Motherwell."
"Cannae dae that then William - they Motherwell taigs voted against us - so we'll huv tae boycott that Annan game by the way".

or

"Hey Hunfredo - see wuv got Montrose in the Challenge Cup on Tuesday night - gonnae go?"
"No can do Hunfried - Montrose is right on the sea and Celtic begins with a C. Clear boycott case."

etc etc....

[Www1875hfc]

Former Rangers stars such as Barry Ferguson,Nacho Novo & Graeme Souness have been warned they could be hit with multi-million tax bills.

And ah bet there is a few more worried as well. :greengrin

[magpie1892]

They'll just have to take fewer fans. Make it all ticket and that problem is solved.

Aren't they just going to boycott everyone? I'm sure Annan haven't made any comment about a lack of Sevco 90210 in Scottish football heralding the death of Scottish football and/or the harbinger of the apocalypse/raining frogs/the sun turning the colour of blood so, on that basis, they must be bead-rattling Fenian ****.

[magpie1892]

Former Rangers stars such as Barry Ferguson,Nacho Novo & Graeme Souness have been warned they could be hit with multi-million tax bills.

And ah bet there is a few more worried as well. :greengrin

Daniel Cousin will be alright though. He'll be able to afford to pay something back based on the £20,000/week he's earning at Cov. City.

[down-the-slope]

I understand perfectly how RFC are permitted a vote under the SPL membership rules on any proposed transfer of such membership 'share'

However we keep hearing how Chuck Green has a vote...that will be the CEO of SEVCO 5088 (trading as The Rangers FC) who has no part / shares / role in the shell that is the indebted property less RFC.

Surely those arranging he funeral of RFC (Currently D&P) are the voters - another area where out insightful press have a blind spot.

You might ask would it make a difference... have no Idea...but things ...as Neil Doncaster has often said :rolleyes: ... should be by the rule book and nothing else..

Again to repeat myself and others...no one is / will be voting to kick anyone out of any where...the current owner of share is in administration and has no ground or training facility so is now non compliant with SPL rules....their share needs transferred elsewhere

We have a new football club - which as yet may have no players / has no trading history (in fact any history) / and its unclear whether they are run by 'fit and proper persons......and they may be about to try it on and apply to the top league when new clubs have by precident always had to apply to lowest league and work up...

Should Using precident share whould be voted to be transferred to Dundee and all other clubs below 'shuffle up a place'....SFL would have a vacancy for others to apply to / show they meet minimum league critera...Maybe Spartans / Brora Rangers :tee hee: might fancy applying...also so might SEVCO 5088

[stokesmessiah]

From BBC gossip..

Jean-Alain Boumsong reveals he almost quit Rangers when he discovered that he would be paid in part through an employee benefit trust, but he says he would be happy to come back to the club on a cut-price deal. (Various)

[johnbc70]

Kenny Shiels should be embarrassed with his comments about the Rangers situation being like a death in the family. I am sure plenty reading that who may have lost a loved one recently would wholeheartedly disagree that the situation and feelings you have will be the same. He should apologise for his insensitive remarks.

[down-the-slope]

From BBC gossip..

Jean-Alain Boumsong reveals he almost quit Rangers when he discovered that he would be paid in part through an employee benefit trust, but he says he would be happy to come back to the club on a cut-price deal. (Various)


Whooops...:greengrin

[joe breezy]

Kenny Shiels should be embarrassed with his comments about the Rangers situation being like a death in the family. I am sure plenty reading that who may have lost a loved one recently would wholeheartedly disagree that the situation and feelings you have will be the same. He should apologise for his insensitive remarks.

Absolutely disgusting considering one of his players lost his dad just a few months ago

[JeMeSouviens]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4378835/We-wont-walk-away-but-we-want-new-deal.html


A Sky Sports spokesman said: “We believe football should be run by the football authorities.” :agree:

[Caversham Green]

From BBC gossip..

Jean-Alain Boumsong reveals he almost quit Rangers when he discovered that he would be paid in part through an employee benefit trust, but he says he would be happy to come back to the club on a cut-price deal. (Various)

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/18/rangers-in-crisis-former-ibrox-star-jean-alain-boumsong-lifts-lid-on-ebt-scheme-86908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

[hibs0666]

Looks like Monday 2 July will be SPL d-day...

d-day looms (http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/106647-spl-confirm-newco-have-applied-to-transfer-rangers-member-share/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

[CropleyWasGod]

Considering Hearts used EBTs and if investigated may have more misdemeanours it makes quite a lot of sense...

They're thinking 'we're next'

Did they?

Hearts are indeed under HMRC investigation, but there is no confirmation that it's about EBTs.

[lapsedhibee]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/18/rangers-in-crisis-former-ibrox-star-jean-alain-boumsong-lifts-lid-on-ebt-scheme-86908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

"HE had never heard of an EBT until the day he signed for RFC. But now those six little letters will live with Jean-Alain Boumsong for the rest of his days.

The Frenchman has watched on from afar with utter astonishment as Rangers have unravelled over the past six months and last week’s liquidation of the old company has hit him so hard he feels somehow compelled to return to Scotland to do what he can to assist in efforts to save Ibrox from oblivion.

He may have only spent six months in Glasgow – and that was some eight years ago now.

But even so he insists in that short time he felt a bond with the club the likes of which he has never experienced before or after.

Which is perhaps why, even now, he still feels uncomfortable at the very mention of the tax avoidance scheme from which it is claimed he benefited to the tune of around £630,000.

Something about that offshore payment plan just never sat easily with Boumsong. So much so, in fact, that for the first time he has revealed he gave serious thought to pulling the plug on his free transfer to the club on the day he arrived in Glasgow to sign his name on the dotted line.

Eventually he was persuaded by accountants there was nothing illegal about the structure of the contract which would make him a wealthy man and a Rangers player.

But Boumsong smelled a rat back then. And it’s rankled with him ever since.

In an interview with Record Sport here at Euro 2012 he said: “My salary was normally paid but there was a trust. I was not comfortable with that to be honest. I didn’t know anything about it until the day I was going to sign.



“When I discovered it I first refused to sign the contract and said, ‘What is this?’

“I didn’t want to sign because it seemed strange, we don’t have that kind of payment in France and I didn’t know anything about it. When I left Rangers, for example, to sign for Newcastle, it was for a normal contract with normal payment.

“But the day I was signing for Rangers I was told it was legal.

“As players we don’t know the law but my advisers said, ‘It’s okay, you can sign it. It’s legal’.

“I wouldn’t have signed otherwise, no way. If I thought it was wrong legally I wouldn’t have gone. It’s important to be able to sleep at night without any fear of being chased by the tax office.”

If only those running Rangers had been just as scrupulous or even shared some of Boumsong’s reservations, then the club may have been spared from at least a proportion of its ongoing crisis.

EBTs may not have been the cause of their undoing – that one rests with Sir David Murray’s decision to hand the keys to Craig Whyte – but they did leave a huge tax liability hanging over Ibrox and those potential losses led to Lloyds Bank leaning heavily on Murray to sell up in the first place.

The finer details of how Rangers got into such a mess are all a little lost on Boumsong who was off to Newcastle in an £8m move after only six months into that lucrative five-year deal.

He has since spent time at Juventus and Lyon and is currently looking for an escape from stricken Greek outfit Panathinaikos who are experiencing a financial meltdown of their own.

There is for him though a very bitter sense of irony in all of this. He says he would gladly return to Rangers tomorrow, especially if he can help in Walter Smith’s attempts to stabilise the club.

He would be willing to do so for around half of the wages he might earn himself elsewhere. All he would ask for in return is a stake in the future of the new Rangers company.

He insists such a deal would not be about money. And there’s the irony right there. Because Boumsong insists the chance to make a quick buck was not the reason he chose Rangers in the first place.

Which is why he still can’t get his head around why the club was willing to take any kind of risks over his contract.

He said: “Believe me, I could have gone to other clubs for more money. I was a free agent at the time and sometimes it is not about money. I wanted to go there because they believed in me and they wanted me.

“They wanted to build a team with me a big part of it so I decided to go. They trusted me and I trusted them so I signed.”

Now, eight years on, Boumsong would relish the opportunity to do it all over again.

He’s been stuck in Athens without any wages at all for most of last season, just one of the millions of victims of the economic disaster which threatens to bring all of Greece down. And now he would choose to return to Ibrox?

The words “frying pan” and “fire” spring instantly to mind.

But if the club can successfully overturn the disputed transfer embargo which was imposed as a punishment for Whyte’s shamed regime then Boumsong will be there, standing at the front of the queue, ready and willing to help.

He insists it’s all down to a sense of duty or an inner calling.

But most of all though he says he just wants to help clean up a mess that was made by others

He said: “I don’t know too much about what’s happened. Of course, I watch it on TV but I don’t know exactly what’s going on there.

“I hear there is a chance they could be forced to play in the Third Division and that would be a disaster. What would happen to the Scottish League without Rangers? That would be a real shame and to be honest I can’t believe it. It’s incredible.

“I know the other clubs need to complain because they don’t think what’s happened is fair but maybe they will find an agreement because they know how important Rangers are.

“The lesson we have to take from this is that financial fair play must happen. Every single club must now control their finances. But I am quite surprised Rangers didn’t use the money they had better than they did. I mean, they paid big wages, but I’m surprised they weren’t better at business.

“They sold the right-back, Alan Hutton, for £9m. When I left it was for a big transfer worth £8m and I cost the club nothing.

“Sure, they’ve had to pay out wages so it’s not as though you can add £8m and £9m together and ask where the money is now. But you still ask yourself how can this happen to a club like Rangers?

“I still have strong feelings for the club. It doesn’t depend on how long you spend at a club to feel part of it. I had some of my best moments in football at Rangers really.

“I was happy there, my family was happy, and if I had the opportunity to go back I’d go, even now.”

[blackpoolhibs]

Looks like Monday 2 July will be SPL d-day...

d-day looms (http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/106647-spl-confirm-newco-have-applied-to-transfer-rangers-member-share/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Absolutely ridiculous. the rules are already in place, we know exactly what should happen but we have to wait even longer? Do these clowns not know their own rules?

Also Dundee should now be preparing for next season in the SPL, but the SPL big wigs are hindering their preparation for the coming season, without giving a toss about them.

The rules are already written, all you clowns have to do is apply them.

[down-the-slope]

Whooops...:greengrin


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/18/rangers-in-crisis-former-ibrox-star-jean-alain-boumsong-lifts-lid-on-ebt-scheme-86908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.


:coffee:

Maybe if they had realised how thick the average footballer is they could have just asked a few former player at the begining and saved a lot of time....

Unless we are giving too little credit to players and they think that Sevco 5088 will avoid the sins of its previous incarnations...so they can now talk about it..

I'm sure Hector is noting with interest however

[CropleyWasGod]

Absolutely ridiculous. the rules are already in place, we know exactly what should happen but we have to wait even longer? Do these clowns not know their own rules?

Also Dundee should now be preparing for next season in the SPL, but the SPL big wigs are hindering their preparation for the coming season, without giving a toss about them.

The rules are already written, all you clowns have to do is apply them.

The rules say that there's a 14-day notice period, so that rule is being applied.

As for the application itself, it will be considered on its merits, which is also in the rules.

[Caversham Green]

:coffee:

Maybe if they had realised how thick the average footballer is they could have just asked a few former player at the begining and saved a lot of time....

Unless we are giving too little credit to players and they think that Sevco 5088 will avoid the sins of its previous incarnations...so they can now talk about it..

I'm sure Hector is noting with interest however

It crossed my mind that one way Hector could go after the employees is if he could show that the EBT arrangement was contrived with the employees' full knowledge - i.e. they knew it was illegal but went ahead with it anyway. Maybe Dodds, Ogilvie and Boumsong have been advised to go public with an 'I was duped' stance.

[SurferRosa]

Absolutely ridiculous. the rules are already in place, we know exactly what should happen but we have to wait even longer? Do these clowns not know their own rules?

Also Dundee should now be preparing for next season in the SPL, but the SPL big wigs are hindering their preparation for the coming season, without giving a toss about them.

The rules are already written, all you clowns have to do is apply them.

:agree: Yep.

The critreria is laid out. The rules are clear. SevCo DONT meet them.

There is no need for a vote to be taken by anyone. They dont get in. They should be applying for whatever league will have them, NOT the SPL.

[StevieC]

From the Record ..

"EBTs may not have been the cause of their undoing – that one rests with Sir David Murray’s decision to hand the keys to Craig Whyte"

Seriously????

Does SDM still have the media eating out of his hand, even now the HMRC are talking about hauling him to court for £6.3m in EBT payments?

These papers are unbelievable.

[blackpoolhibs]

The rules say that there's a 14-day notice period, so that rule is being applied.

As for the application itself, it will be considered on its merits, which is also in the rules.

I dont understand CWG, a 14 day notice period for what? I thought there is no rangers anymore, and the new rangers do not fill ANY of the criteria any new club needs to apply to any of the Scottish leagues?

There's also no rule for any new club to apply to join the top league, any new club can apply to join, but must apply to join at the bottom?????

Surely thats enough to apply the rules now, and Dundee should be preparing for life in the SPL today?

[CropleyWasGod]

I dont understand CWG, a 14 day notice period for what? I thought there is no rangers anymore, and the new rangers do not fill ANY of the criteria any new club needs to apply to any of the Scottish leagues?

There's also no rule for any new club to apply to join the top league, any new club can apply to join, but must apply to join at the bottom?????

Surely thats enough to apply the rules now, and Dundee should be preparing for life in the SPL today?

The meeting to consider the application has to have 14 days notice.....like any meeting, the notice period is intended to give people the chance to make their own arrangements to attend that meeting. That's just normal practice in any organisation.

As I understand it, the last SPL meeting decided to amend their rules to consider "any" new application. This is such an application. It's irrelevant what we think on here, or what the rules appear to be, that application will have to be considered by that meeting.

[greenginger]

I may have missed it but has an explanation been given as to why the majority in favour of transferring the Dead Hun SPL share to the New Hun Club is to be 8:4 in favour at the meeting ?

Rule 38 of the SPL Articles of Association the allotment of a share requires 83% or 10:2 in favour to be passed.

[blackpoolhibs]

The meeting to consider the application has to have 14 days notice.....like any meeting, the notice period is intended to give people the chance to make their own arrangements to attend that meeting. That's just normal practice in any organisation.

As I understand it, the last SPL meeting decided to amend their rules to consider "any" new application. This is such an application. It's irrelevant what we think on here, or what the rules appear to be, that application will have to be considered by that meeting.

Amazing :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

I may have missed it but has an explanation been given as to why the majority in favour of transferring the Dead Hun SPL share to the New Hun Club is to be 8:4 in favour at the meeting ?

Rule 38 of the SPL Articles of Association the allotment of a share requires 83% or 10:2 in favour to be passed.

I think that was decided by the clubs at the last meeting, or the one before that.

[CropleyWasGod]

Amazing :rolleyes:

This has to be done by the book, otherwise the Huns will go screaming off to the Courts again.

[StevieC]

Rule 38 of the SPL Articles of Association the allotment of a share requires 83% or 10:2 in favour to be passed.

That's interesting. :hmmm:

Also ..
this is a vote for transfer of share .. not for entry to SPL .. dead-hun could be relegated/suspended/expelled by that time based on pending EBT/Dual Contract/Appellant Tribunal/Court of Session punishments. :wink:

Personally I'd suspend deadhun for a year at appellate tribunal (following CoS decision to overturn transfer embargo), relegate for dual contracts and strip them of trophies collected during EBT years.

Lets see if Green/Smith/whoever still wants their SPL share after that little lot is bundled in with it!

[portyfelly]

:wink:

Jim McColl will submit a £6m offer to buy Rangers on Monday from Charles Green and his consortium. (The Herald)

There is money in the muck.

[joe breezy]

Did they?

Hearts are indeed under HMRC investigation, but there is no confirmation that it's about EBTs.

No there's no confirmation, just as there was no confirmation Rangers were doing anything wrong 2 years ago

It is mere conjecture

[Robinho08]

I wonder where they dug that story up from?

[MSK]

Jezzo ..firstly someone wi sticky fingers ..now somebody wi green fingers ..:greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/18/rangers-in-crisis-former-ibrox-star-jean-alain-boumsong-lifts-lid-on-ebt-scheme-86908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

I see the record is still using its "big boy did it and ran away" approach.

[johnrebus]

Rangers should already be dead and buried.

The fact that they are not leads me to believe that by whatever means, they will be playing in the SPL next season.


It is the whole game in this country that is about to die.


:boo hoo:

[CropleyWasGod]

Rangers should already be dead and buried.

The fact that they are not leads me to believe that by whatever means, they will be playing in the SPL next season.


It is the whole game in this country that is about to die.


:boo hoo:

Courage, mon brave.

If they are to be killed off, it has to be done the right way. Process and procedures p us all off, but they have to be gone through.

[TrickyNicky]

Courage, mon brave.

If they are to be killed off, it has to be done the right way. Process and procedures p us all off, but they have to be gone through.


:not worthOoh, staop it Croppers, you just gave me a wee Duff and Phelps in mah troosers man !!:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

:not worthOoh, staop it Croppers, you just gave me a wee Duff and Phelps in mah troosers man !!:greengrin

Um.... glad to be of service.... I think.... :wink:

[bythecringe]

Courage, mon brave.

If they are to be killed off, it has to be done the right way. Process and procedures p us all off, but they have to be gone through.

Lets say BDO forensic investigation finds that there was a strategy in place to evade taxes via EBTs and then to evade their payment plus penalties once rumbled by going into administration and resurrecting as a newco. That would seem to be fraud, but what impact would it have on newco's status?

[CropleyWasGod]

Lets say BDO forensic investigation finds that there was a strategy in place to evade taxes via EBTs and then to evade their payment plus penalties once rumbled by going into administration and resurrecting as a newco. That would seem to be fraud, but what impact would it have on newco's status?

That would be fraud on the part of the old owners, for sure. However, unless it could be proven that the new owners were part of the strategy, I can't see that anything could be attached to them.

The worst that could happen, IMO, would be that the sale could be reversed, on the grounds that creditors had been defrauded. However, given the length of time that would have elapsed between the sale and BDO's conclusion in your scenario, I would think that very unlikely.

[TrickyNicky]

Um.... glad to be of service.... I think.... :wink:

It was a cold blooded financial assassins words, whispered to The Huns as the final bullet leaves the chamber!





"Courage, mon brave.

If they are to be killed off, it has to be done the right way. Process and procedures p us all off, but they have to be gone through".... courtesy of CWG:cb

[cocopops1875]

I dont understand CWG, a 14 day notice period for what? I thought there is no rangers anymore, and the new rangers do not fill ANY of the criteria any new club needs to apply to any of the Scottish leagues?

There's also no rule for any new club to apply to join the top league, any new club can apply to join, but must apply to join at the bottom?????

Surely thats enough to apply the rules now, and Dundee should be preparing for life in the SPL today?

Just on this could the likes of Spartans who have applied before for an SFL Place not apply for any available space ?

[blackpoolhibs]

Just on this could the likes of Spartans who have applied before for an SFL Place not apply for any available space ?

I'd imagine they could, there is a space right now but for some reason it appears the authorities are completely ignoring their own rules?

They should be inviting applications for a space in the 3rd division, and applying the laws already in place regarding teams fitting the application criteria.

[Andy74]

I'd imagine they could, there is a space right now but for some reason it appears the authorities are completely ignoring their own rules?

They should be inviting applications for a space in the 3rd division, and applying the laws already in place regarding teams fitting the application criteria.

What rules you on about? There is currently no space. SFL hasn't got a vacancy until Dundee get an invite from SPL.

At the moment old Rangers exist with an SPL share.

I'm not aware of any rules around their share being taken off them in current circumstances. The SPL is also aware there will be a request for a transfer of that share.

[blackpoolhibs]

What rules you on about? There is currently no space. SFL hasn't got a vacancy until Dundee get an invite from SPL.

At the moment old Rangers exist with an SPL share.

I'm not aware of any rules around their share being taken off them in current circumstances. The SPL is also aware there will be a request for a transfer of that share.

Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

[Monts]

Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

Technically rangers are not dead yet. They are still a company with an SPL share.

[jgl07]

Technically rangers are not dead yet. They are still a company with an SPL share.

But with no ground and no players.

That must be against the rules?

[EuanH78]

Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

Well almost dead, the OldCo hasnt quite given up the ghost and it's them that hold the licence at the minute that they are proposing to transfer to another i.e SevCo.

CWG is absolutely right, they have to be killed off within the rules so they can have no recourse. Frustrating but the correct way to do it. That things seem to be happening this way actually fills me with confidence we are really going to see justice done here :agree:

[Jim44]

Kenny Shiels should be embarrassed with his comments about the Rangers situation being like a death in the family. I am sure plenty reading that who may have lost a loved one recently would wholeheartedly disagree that the situation and feelings you have will be the same. He should apologise for his insensitive remarks.


I agree entirely but I couldn't help remembering a post on FF a couple of weeks ago. - "I lost both my mum and dad a few months ago but what is happening to my club puts that in the shade.". Hunbelievable!!!

[Monts]

But with no ground and no players.

That must be against the rules?

Have these been 100% confirmed?

[greenginger]

If, and hopefully when, the New Huns are refused the SPL share will the meeting approve the share transfer to A N other like Dundee or will that require a further meeting with a further 14 days notice ?

[jgl07]

Have these been 100% confirmed?

I would have thought that a ground was essential. Also the ground must have at least 6,000 seats.

Falkirk got knocked back from promotion or promotion play-offs more than once because Brockville was deemed inadequate.

Ross County had to make groundshare provisions with Inverness because their own upgrades were not completed by the March deadline.

[CropleyWasGod]

But with no ground and no players.

That must be against the rules?

... and add some mud in terms of who owns the stadium, and who has the players' contracts. :stirrer:

Lovely.

[Andy74]

Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

All in good time. Old Rangers are still here with a share.

[johnrebus]

... and add some mud in terms of who owns the stadium, and who has the players' contracts. :stirrer:

Lovely.


I really don't think that rules and contracts etc. will matter at the conclusion of all this.

I believe that the major decisions will be taken away from the clubs - maybe even the SFA/SPL. They - the Hun - are too big, there are too many of them and that influence will be brought to bear in some form or other - I don't know what exactly - in sticking them straight back into the SPL.

And I really do believe that the fans will vote with their feet and that the SPL will consist mainly of part-time clubs before long.

Yes, I admit this is a defeatist view, but the whole country is ingrained with this Rangers/Celtic - Catholic/Protestant cancer. The real solution would be to see that Rangers cease to exist completely, then we would be on the road to recovery, Sadly that is not going to happen.

This goes way beyond football IMHO.


:boo hoo:

[Newry Hibs]

There seems to be an assumption that Dundee would fill Team 12s shoes. I presume they would be invited and can therefore decide not to take up the offer? Maybe they (and the SFL2 & 3 teams in a similar position) don't want to rush into a promotion they may not be ready for and therefore be prime relegation candidates.

It might be a double whammy for the 3 div team that is promoted - miss out on TRFC visits boosting their coffers and pass them by should they be relegated and TRFC promoted next season.

I wonder if Dundee have sold any season tickets yet that would presumably be a lot cheaper than if they knew they were in the SPL?

[down-the-slope]

It crossed my mind that one way Hector could go after the employees is if he could show that the EBT arrangement was contrived with the employees' full knowledge - i.e. they knew it was illegal but went ahead with it anyway. Maybe Dodds, Ogilvie and Boumsong have been advised to go public with an 'I was duped' stance.

Yup indeed - also very quick to say 'iwas not sure didn't want to sign' my advisers said it was ok....... That seemed a bit rehearsed to me....- hope these advisors have good prof indemnity insurance :)

[Seveno]

There seems to be an assumption that Dundee would fill Team 12s shoes. I presume they would be invited and can therefore decide not to take up the offer? Maybe they (and the SFL2 & 3 teams in a similar position) don't want to rush into a promotion they may not be ready for and therefore be prime relegation candidates.

It might be a double whammy for the 3 div team that is promoted - miss out on TRFC visits boosting their coffers and pass them by should they be relegated and TRFC promoted next season.

I wonder if Dundee have sold any season tickets yet that would presumably be a lot cheaper than if they knew they were in the SPL?

I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

[Peevemor]

I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

:agree:

[Monts]

I would have thought that a ground was essential. Also the ground must have at least 6,000 seats.

Falkirk got knocked back from promotion or promotion play-offs more than once because Brockville was deemed inadequate.

Ross County had to make groundshare provisions with Inverness because their own upgrades were not completed by the March deadline.

I meant has it been 100% confirmed that they no longer own the stadium or the players contracts?

Certainly seems a grey area to me.

[Andy74]

I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

Due to it already being in the SPL rules. If it happens after a team already relegated then they stay down and. Next team in SFL gets the invite.

Why would it be justice to get them back in? They've shown they weren't good enough to stay in.

[johnbc70]

What a total mess, only in Scotland.

[johnrebus]

What a total mess, only in Scotland.


Yes.

And lets remember that Spartans were kicked out of the Scottish Cup for missing a signature on a registration form........,


:fuming:

[Newry Hibs]

I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

My point was that whichever club is invited - could they decline it for the reasons outlined, what then? Offer the 3rd, 4th, 5th place until one accepts?

I wonder how much an SFL3 team could make with 2 TRFC visits? You hear about this sort of thing in cups where it makes a whole season for them. Would a team risk missing out by 'volunteering' to be promoted.

[CropleyWasGod]

I meant has it been 100% confirmed that they no longer own the stadium or the players contracts?

Certainly seems a grey area to me.

The jury is still out on the stadium etc. Popular culture has it that they were sold on. I'm not popular, though :greengrin

On the players, the default position is that they are not yet transferred. They can be, but don't have to be if the player doesn't want. Naturally, the players will be waiting to see the outcomes of the various decisions.

[joe breezy]

I really don't think that rules and contracts etc. will matter at the conclusion of all this.

I believe that the major decisions will be taken away from the clubs - maybe even the SFA/SPL. They - the Hun - are too big, there are too many of them and that influence will be brought to bear in some form or other - I don't know what exactly - in sticking them straight back into the SPL.

And I really do believe that the fans will vote with their feet and that the SPL will consist mainly of part-time clubs before long.

Yes, I admit this is a defeatist view, but the whole country is ingrained with this Rangers/Celtic - Catholic/Protestant cancer. The real solution would be to see that Rangers cease to exist completely, then we would be on the road to recovery, Sadly that is not going to happen.

This goes way beyond football IMHO.


:boo hoo:

Nah :no way:

[Spike Mandela]

If not certain already Kilmarnock's opening fixture against club 12 will guarantee that Killie will vote yes to a newco. That's most of their August transfer budget right there, in fact wouldn't surprise me if they put word out they can have 3 stands.:rolleyes:

[Caversham Green]

Yes.

And lets remember that Spartans were kicked out of the Scottish Cup for missing a signature on a registration form........,


:fuming:

It was actually a missing date that Spartans got chucked out for - the document had to be dated in two places and they had only dated it once.

[johnrebus]

It was actually a missing date that Spartans got chucked out for - the document had to be dated in two places and they had only dated it once.


I stand corrected.


:not worth

[Monts]

The jury is still out on the stadium etc. Popular culture has it that they were sold on. I'm not popular, though :greengrin

On the players, the default position is that they are not yet transferred. They can be, but don't have to be if the player doesn't want. Naturally, the players will be waiting to see the outcomes of the various decisions.

Is this not just the media making assumptions?

Has anything official been seen/published regarding the stadium? Do property sales not need to be registered somewhere?

[StevieC]

At the moment old Rangers exist with an SPL share.

At the moment old Rangers dont meet the criteria for an SPL share (no stadium etc.) so the share HAS to be passed on elsewhere. Whether this goes to NewCo, Dundee, Dunfermline or is passed back to the SPL is what needs to be decided.

My gut feeling is that if it is passed to NewCo then there could be objections and potential court cases from Dundee/Dunfermline (especially given the number of rule breaks that this would incur).

[CropleyWasGod]

Is this not just the media making assumptions?

Has anything official been seen/published regarding the stadium? Do property sales not need to be registered somewhere?

Probably.

No.

Yes.... and it's that that might scupper my conspiracy theory :greengrin

[grunt]

It was actually a missing date that Spartans got chucked out for - the document had to be dated in two places and they had only dated it once.
Oh well in that case they deserve every punishment coming to them!

[jacomo]

This is a small point, but why are Charles Green and his consortium all wearing the same corporate ties as the old Rangers Football Club PLC - the dark blue with thin red stripe on white as favoured by Moonbeams and Uncle Watty?

A little visual signifier to all that it's "business as usual folks, see you in the SPL again soon"? Damn them all!

[calmac12000]

I really don't think that rules and contracts etc. will matter at the conclusion of all this.

I believe that the major decisions will be taken away from the clubs - maybe even the SFA/SPL. They - the Hun - are too big, there are too many of them and that influence will be brought to bear in some form or other - I don't know what exactly - in sticking them straight back into the SPL.

And I really do believe that the fans will vote with their feet and that the SPL will consist mainly of part-time clubs before long.

Yes, I admit this is a defeatist view, but the whole country is ingrained with this Rangers/Celtic - Catholic/Protestant cancer. The real solution would be to see that Rangers cease to exist completely, then we would be on the road to recovery, Sadly that is not going to happen.

This goes way beyond football IMHO.


:boo hoo:


I agree, to a certain extent, but football can only deal with the footballing issues per ce and hope, indeed expect that politicians are sage enough to address the societal issues. Unfortunately, many of our politicians, of all major parties have fallen over themselves to appear friendly to the Dark forces. As we cannot wave a magic wand, the footballing authorities must apply the rules" without fear or favour". This is the defining issue in Scottish football and it's handling will to a large extent decide the future of the game. As you rightly say if the powers that be soft peddle on this issue, it will offer a startlingly negative perspective on the ability of Scottish society to deal with an issue that should have been addressed years ago. Namely that thousands of football supporters think it is acceptable to congregate and hurl sectarian abuse at their fellow citizens without anyone condemning their practices. Indeed, they seem to think it is their right!

[Cropley10]

I can't be the only person is sick and tired of the whole saga.

Yes Rangers are no more and they are replaced by The Rangers. This will run and run and run.

The thing that gets me in all of this and is rarely mentioned on here, by pundits, the media etc etc..... Is.....Rangers FC CAUSED this, they are FULLY ACCOUNTABLE for the mess and the disruption to the league, the other clubs, supporters and the image of Scottish Football.

Despite all this I have seen ZERO humility shown by anyone with any kind of association with RFC. David Murray, Craig Whyte, Charles Green, Ally McCoist, Sandy Jardine, Gordon Smith, Rangers Supporters Assxociations and every single rangers fan I have spoken to.

At best you get a 'I know we were in the wrong BUT *insert 101 excuse and blame of someone else*.

The irony for us is that we have run a tight ship for last 7 years or so much to the pain on the park. Now we need to rebuild our squad and I can't think anything other than Fenlons budget will be restricted by those fans including me who refuse to renew for next season while this rumbles on.

Really sad sad state of affairs when only two people who fans are giving credit to over last 4 months is Channel 4 journalist and blogger and BBC Panarama journalist.

Every day you read somebody else claim they've been "punished enough".

Everyday similar people tell us Sky will pull out/the game will collapse in Scotland if Rangers are punished further.

Everyday we are told that TRFC's history is intact.

Fact is the assets of the Club were purchased by Green. Currently that Club has no license or place in the League.

So how can their "history" be "intact" if they've not got anywhere to play currently?

Why would a more competitive League collapse without them?

What have they been punished for and by whom?

[joe breezy]

For the doom-mongers - nicked fae KDS as I don't have the time...

"Just want to take a minute to reflect on the fact that as of today, June 18, 2012, the old huns are dead and the new huns (1) are owned by a shady operator named, of all things, "Green"; (2) have no players, (3) have no staff, but seem likely to end up with Ally "Fat Dick" McCoist as their manager, and (4) have no league to play in.

Their support is forced to look at a effing placeholding number on the proposed fixture list and hope -- hope! -- that they'll be allowed to play in the SPL, but by god it doesn't look likely."

[Kaiser1962]

Technically rangers are not dead yet. They are still a company with an SPL share.

They are also a company with a UEFA club licence, without which a club cannot compete in the SPL. Nor can a UEFA club licence be transferred "between one legal entity and another" so Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

There is no way round this.

[green glory]

SPL board meeting breaking up shortly according to the Beeb's Chris McLaughlin.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/214715948568023042

What was being discussed today if the vote on the Hun's SPL share isn't being voted on for another 2 weeks?

[CropleyWasGod]

SPL board meeting breaking up shortly according to the Beeb's Chris McLaughlin.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/214715948568023042

What was being discussed today if the vote on the Hun's SPL share isn't being voted on for another 2 weeks?

The Board isn't the clubs. It's the clubs that are voting in 2 weeks.

This may be just a regular Board meeting..... or may not be. :greengrin

[green glory]

The Board isn't the clubs. It's the clubs that are voting in 2 weeks.

This may be just a regular Board meeting..... or may not be. :greengrin

Maybe Neal Doncaster's tendering his resignation? We can hope.

[Cropley10]

They are also a company with a UEFA club licence, without which a club cannot compete in the SPL. Nor can a UEFA club licence be transferred "between one legal entity and another" so Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

There is no way round this.

Did you mean without a UEFA Club license? :confused:

[Ryan91]

Did you mean without a UEFA Club license? :confused:

They can't hold a UEFA license let alone hold an SFA license. Statement due from SPL board soon.

[Cropley10]

They can't hold a UEFA license let alone hold an SFA license. Statement due from SPL board soon.

So, they don't have a license and it can't be transferred from one Legal Entity to another but the "history" is intact.

Huns will tell you that it's just the name over the door that's changed!

[Kaiser1962]

Did you mean without a UEFA Club license? :confused:


At the moment, as well as the SPL share, Oldhun have the UEFA club licence which, under SFA rules, cannot be transferred. Therefore without the UEFA club licence Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

[Kaiser1962]

They can't hold a UEFA license let alone hold an SFA license. Statement due from SPL board soon.

About the UEFA club license?

This should be good as the matter is as clear cut as it gets.

[JohnStephens91]

July the 4th, date for your diaries! http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s2&newsid=11440

[Gingertosser]

Press Statement ~ Rangers FC
At its meeting earlier today, the SPL Board considered a number of issues relating to Rangers FC.

EBT Investigation

The SPL Board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract.

The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC.

The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its Rules.

Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13.

General Meeting

An application for registration of transfer of Rangers’ SPL share has been received. Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification.

A general meeting of all 12 member clubs has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to decide whether to approve the transfer.

[lord bunberry]

At the moment, as well as the SPL share, Oldhun have the UEFA club licence which, under SFA rules, cannot be transferred. Therefore without the UEFA club licence Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

No doubt this was another rule that was changed at the last meeting

[Peevemor]

Press Statement ~ Rangers FC
At its meeting earlier today, the SPL Board considered a number of issues relating to Rangers FC.

EBT Investigation

The SPL Board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract.

The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC.

The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its Rules.

Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13.

General Meeting

An application for registration of transfer of Rangers’ SPL share has been received. Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification.

A general meeting of all 12 member clubs has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to decide whether to approve the transfer.

Excellent :aok:

[blackpoolhibs]

At the moment, as well as the SPL share, Oldhun have the UEFA club licence which, under SFA rules, cannot be transferred. Therefore without the UEFA club licence Newhun cannot compete in the SPL.

Aye but these are Scottish rules, not really applicable it seems when Rangers are involved. Any other country and the team that were 2nd in the division below would be promoted as soon as old huns were liquidated. There is no rule AT ALL that lets a newco into the top league in Scotland, in fact i'd imagine thats the case all over the world?

This is a shambles, and brought on by Rangers initially, but those at the top of the SPL have been trying their hardest to find some way of letting them continue in the premier division, when in any other league in the world they'd be nowhere near it, and demoted weeks ago.

Their own rules will see the huns demoted, thats the only outcome if football is to survive in Scotland.

Anything else and it will become apparent to the rest of the world, the inmates are running the asylum we call Scottish Football.

[pentlando]

July the 4th, date for your diaries! http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s2&newsid=11440

Independence Day too, oh the irony. It's the SPL's very own independence day, prove we are not dependant on Rangers and in general the Old Firm!

[Lungo--Drom]

Indeed totally agree. The sectarian cancer goes all the way to the top of the tree. Let us not forget that in 1997 when Tony Blair was elected as Prime Minister he could not be sworn into office until he went to a Protestant Church of England and denounced the Pope of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church and was re-Christened into the CofE. Disgusting, sectarian and pathetic that he had to go through with that charade. When that is what a Prime Minister has to go through then what chance has anyone else got? Please note my illustration above is to show the ridiculousness of the institutionalised system and is not meant to suggest either version of Christianity is superior to the other :)


I agree, to a certain extent, but football can only deal with the footballing issues per ce and hope, indeed expect that politicians are sage enough to address the societal issues. Unfortunately, many of our politicians, of all major parties have fallen over themselves to appear friendly to the Dark forces. As we cannot wave a magic wand, the footballing authorities must apply the rules" without fear or favour". This is the defining issue in Scottish football and it's handling will to a large extent decide the future of the game. As you rightly say if the powers that be soft peddle on this issue, it will offer a startlingly negative perspective on the ability of Scottish society to deal with an issue that should have been addressed years ago. Namely that thousands of football supporters think it is acceptable to congregate and hurl sectarian abuse at their fellow citizens without anyone condemning their practices. Indeed, they seem to think it is their right!

[Ryan91]

How can there even be a vote? The New club known as Sevco 5088 (trading as The Rangers Football Club - TRFC) does not have 3 years of audited accounts, as such it is incapable of holding an SFA license which is a requirement to play in the SPL. Licenses cannot be transferred between two clubs so really the fact that it has been decided that a vote on the situation is required is beyond ridiculous - one set of rules for them, one set for everyone else. With regards to the vote does anyone know if it will be an 8-4 job or an 11-1 (which it should be) but that of course assumes that RFC (IA) are capable of voting - which they aren't as they have no ground, no players and no youth policy and as such do not meet the criteria set out by the league as to what constitutes an SPL club.

[Kaiser1962]

I would counter G that the authorities are treading very carefully and methodically towards the conclusion that Sevco 5088 cant compete in the SPL. They are giving them every opportunity to present a case but, nonetheless, seem to be inching towards exclusion. Once the process is complete Sevco 5088 will run out of time and space and may well find themself excluded, as they should be, from the national leagues.

If the above is NOT the case then I hope Dundee's lawyers are watching and take legal action in the civil courts as precedent has already been set.



Aye but these are Scottish rules, not really applicable it seems when Rangers are involved. Any other country and the team that were 2nd in the division below would be promoted as soon as old huns were liquidated. There is no rule AT ALL that lets a newco into the top league in Scotland, in fact i'd imagine thats the case all over the world?

This is a shambles, and brought on by Rangers initially, but those at the top of the SPL have been trying their hardest to find some way of letting them continue in the premier division, when in any other league in the world they'd be nowhere near it, and demoted weeks ago.

Their own rules will see the huns demoted, thats the only outcome if football is to survive in Scotland.

Anything else and it will become apparent to the rest of the world, the inmates are running the asylum we call Scottish Football.

[Liberal Hibby]

Indeed totally agree. The sectarian cancer goes all the way to the top of the tree. Let us not forget that in 1997 when Tony Blair was elected as Prime Minister he could not be sworn into office until he went to a Protestant Church of England and denounced the Pope of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church and was re-Christened into the CofE. Disgusting, sectarian and pathetic that he had to go through with that charade. When that is what a Prime Minister has to go through then what chance has anyone else got? Please note my illustration above is to show the ridiculousness of the institutionalised system and is not meant to suggest either version of Christianity is superior to the other :)

Um without going too far off topic - that's rubbish. Blair converted to Catholicism after leaving office. He frequently attended RC services with his missus while PM. There's enough nonsense taked about sectarianism without making stuff up.

[SteveHFC]

Newco vote - 4th of July.

[blackpoolhibs]

I would counter G that the authorities are treading very carefully and methodically towards the conclusion that Sevco 5088 cant compete in the SPL. They are giving them every opportunity to present a case but, nonetheless, seem to be inching towards exclusion. Once the process is complete Sevco 5088 will run out of time and space and may well find themself excluded, as they should be, from the national leagues.

If the above is NOT the case then I hope Dundee's lawyers are watching and take legal action in the civil courts as precedent has already been set.

I understand that, but the rules are very clear in my opinion, the newco does not meet any of the criteria needed for ANY club to apply for the SFL, never mind the SPL.

This is making it more difficult for Dundee to prepare for the division they surely must be in next season, another case of the huns not caring who they trod on.

The SPL will have lawyers, and those lawyers surely must be telling them its an open and shut case?

[CropleyWasGod]

I understand that, but the rules are very clear in my opinion, the newco does not meet any of the criteria needed for ANY club to apply for the SFL, never mind the SPL.

This is making it more difficult for Dundee to prepare for the division they surely must be in next season, another case of the huns not caring who they trod on.

The SPL will have lawyers, and those lawyers surely must be telling them its an open and shut case?

.. and if that is correct, due process will be followed.

We are all impatient here but, again, it has to be done the right way.

[jgl07]

Newco vote - 4th of July.

Independence day!

[green glory]

If they've been found guilty in the dual contract investigation, then stripped titles it is. The SPL just need clarification on who to apply the punishments to, hence the time being given to provide relevant documentation etc.

I think it's unlikely the Hun is going to have their own 'big' house in order in time.

What a ****ing mess ha ha!

[SteveHFC]

Independence day!

:thumbsup:

Shame i will be away on holiday. It could be a great day :cb

[steakbake]

Um without going too far off topic - that's rubbish. Blair converted to Catholicism after leaving office. He frequently attended RC services with his missus while PM. There's enough nonsense taked about sectarianism without making stuff up.

...to help him cope with the considerable guilt he ought to be living with.

[down-the-slope]

The Scottish Premier League says Rangers have "a prima facie case to answer in respect of [league] rules" over payments to players.

Rangers were investigated over alleged player payments outside of contract.
"Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13," said an SPL spokesman.

“The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC”
SPL spokesman

Meanwhile, SPL member clubs will vote on whether a newco Rangers should be admitted to the league on 4 July.
Rangers' attempts to exit administration via a company voluntary arrangement failed after major creditor HM Revenue and Customs turned down the proposal and the club's assets have been transferred to a new company, The Rangers Football Club, while Rangers Football Club plc is liquidated.
The club's new chief executive Charles Green has made an official request to transfer Rangers FC plc's share in the SPL to the new company to allow top flight football to continue at Ibrox.
However, the issue has to be voted on by all 12 members - including Rangers - and Green needs at least eight clubs to vote in favour of the request.
If five or more clubs vote against it, Rangers are likely to apply for the vacancy that would be created in the Scottish Football League with the intention of starting next season in Division Three.
With uncertainty over whether Rangers will be in the top flight for season 2012/13, their name has been replaced by "Club 12" (http://www.hibs.net/sport/0/football/18484588) in the SPL fixture list released on Monday morning. (http://www.hibs.net/sport/0/football/18484238)
"An application for registration of transfer of Rangers' SPL share has been received," said the league's spokesman.

The company which had run Rangers until 14 June 2012 will shortly be liquidated
A new company (newco) has bought Rangers' assets, including Ibrox Stadium
The newco wants to replace the old company in the Scottish Premier League
An 8-to-4 majority of SPL member clubs, including Rangers, is required for the newco to be admitted
If 5 or more clubs vote no, Rangers will need to apply to be admitted to Scottish Football League Division Three


"Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification.
"A general meeting of all 12 member clubs has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to decide whether to approve the transfer."
Rangers' use of employee benefits trusts during a decade-long period was the subject of a long-running tax tribunal, which concluded in January but has yet to return a verdict.
The SPL began its own investigation into whether Rangers had broken its rules after the tribunal concluded.
"The SPL board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract," added the spokesman.
"The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC.
"The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its rules."

I like the bits in bold...so there is still documentation and verification required :greengrin

[PatHead]

Can't believe Rangers are even being considered by SFA until all the investors are known. (By the sounds of it Green doesn't even know who the investors are.) How can the SFA know that these people are "fit and proper" if they don't even know who they are? The Rangers could turn into Notts County who turned out to be a shadowey group of people who were in it just to make money. We would then require another 10,000 page thread saying we told you so.

Just wish SFA had the gonads to stand up to Rangers and tell them to stop wasting everyone's time and go forth and multiply.

[magpie1892]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/18/rangers-in-crisis-former-ibrox-star-jean-alain-boumsong-lifts-lid-on-ebt-scheme-86908-23897491/

Pretty much wraps up the SPL's investigation for them.

Mildly interesting story about Boumsong that might have further ramifications for Club 12 and Souness. JAB was playing for Auxerre and his agent was touting him. Bobby Robson (then of NUFC) went to look at him with the chief scout on a couple of occasions and jointly decided he was no better than we had and left it. JAB signed for Club 12, Robson got the sack, and Souness, new NUFC 'manager', then paid £8m for the bombscare a few months later.

It's a transfer that's been looked at before, and almost certainly will be again...

[Mon Dieu4]

This gets more mental by the day, a crack squad of Columbo, Kojak, Jessica Fletcher, Puncharello, Quincy, Van Der Valk, Michael Knight, The A Team, Magnum, Ironside, Father Dowling, Poirot and Sherlock Holmes couldn't get to the bottom of this mess

[sambajustice]

So the long and short of it now is (correct me if i'm wrong):

4th July - 5 Clubs say no and they're oot???


Between now and then the campaign and the pressure on the clubs from their own fans has to be cranked up to the maximum!!

[down-the-slope]

So the long and short of it now is (correct me if i'm wrong):

4th July - 5 Clubs say no and they're oot???


Between now and then the campaign and the pressure on the clubs from their own fans has to be cranked up to the maximum!!

Close but not quite....

Sevco 5088 are not IN any structure...so all the 'kicking them out' guff from media is wrong...5 clubs could prevent them GETTING IN...but before that they have a bunch of hurdles to jump in getting verification paperwork to SPL (like ownership of ground etc etc)

[Offside Trap]

Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244

[RyeSloan]

Seems clear to me Rangers and The Rangers are stuffed.

Any transfer of SPL share will have to include transfer of sanctions for Rangers. This must be expulsion due to ongoing re-appeal and now dual contracts.

Therefore to avoid Rangers sanctions The Rangers will need to apply to SFL.


First time we have seen confirmation that The Rangers have indeed the property of Rangers. Therefore surely now Rangers are no longer fit to hold an SPL license so this should be returned immediately to the SPL.

Will take a while to get there I'm sure but the outcome looks certain, there is simply not enough wriggle room. So at least 3 years without Rangers in the SPL and it's looking pretty grim for them to even be playing football next year..how long will the SFL give them to apply and will they even be in a fit and proper state to do so...Spartans and the like have applied previously so I'm sure could pull together a proper applicaiton quite quickly...The Rangers might not even have any players when they need to apply to the SFL and of course the SFL clubs might well just tell them to bolt! :greengrin

[SoL]

4th July. Hundepence day!

[kenny-55]

Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244

Like a valid sfa and uefa licence which they don't have and which can't be transferred according to the rules
bye bye currant buns :na na::na na::na na:

[CropleyWasGod]

Seems clear to me Rangers and The Rangers are stuffed.

Any transfer of SPL share will have to include transfer of sanctions for Rangers. This must be expulsion due to ongoing re-appeal and now dual contracts.

Therefore to avoid Rangers sanctions The Rangers will need to apply to SFL.


First time we have seen confirmation that The Rangers have indeed the property of Rangers. Therefore surely now Rangers are no longer fit to hold an SPL license so this should be returned immediately to the SPL.

Will take a while to get there I'm sure but the outcome looks certain, there is simply not enough wriggle room. So at least 3 years without Rangers in the SPL and it's looking pretty grim for them to even be playing football next year..how long will the SFL give them to apply and will they even be in a fit and proper state to do so...Spartans and the like have applied previously so I'm sure could pull together a proper applicaiton quite quickly...The Rangers might not even have any players when they need to apply to the SFL and of course the SFL clubs might well just tell them to bolt! :greengrin

Never said this before, but.... SOURCE? :greengrin

[joe breezy]

There's only 2 teams called Rangers - and they're both going to die

ha ha ha ha ha

[down-the-slope]

Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244


Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

[Caversham Green]

Mildly interesting story about Boumsong that might have further ramifications for Club 12 and Souness. JAB was playing for Auxerre and his agent was touting him. Bobby Robson (then of NUFC) went to look at him with the chief scout on a couple of occasions and jointly decided he was no better than we had and left it. JAB signed for Club 12, Robson got the sack, and Souness, new NUFC 'manager', then paid £8m for the bombscare a few months later.

It's a transfer that's been looked at before, and almost certainly will be again...

By coincidence around the time that all happened Graeme Souness received a loan from an employee benefit trust set up by his former employers.

Nothing at all dodgy there.

[Offside Trap]

Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

Agreed - and no I'm not sure! :greengrin

But the extract below sure provides a stick to beat the St Mirren Board with if they allow SevCo in.

"The Board of Directors as well as all other St Mirren supporters totally understands the sense of injustice felt at this time instigated by the way in which another club in our League has conducted their affairs."

Sending pretty strong smoke signals IMHO.....

[RoYO!]

Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

Yep, I read that as st mirren getting the excuses in...

[Billy Whizz]

Who's going to replace them? I thought the SPL rules suggested that it was the 2nd team in Division 1, but noises seem to be getting made about Dundee? Bit unfair on both these teams if they have to wait until 4th July to know which division they are playing in!

[greenginger]

St Mirren will be controlled by fans trust by the time the SPL vote is taken and their spokesman said the for/against vote will be decided by their members.

He also said membership was open to anyone. :wink:

[joe breezy]

Are you sure...lots about doing whats best for St Mirren...but nothing about voting for integrity...so could be taken either way

A club that's being bought by the fans? What do you think..,

[Viva_Palmeiras]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4378835/We-wont-walk-away-but-we-want-new-deal.html

:agree:

Just like they believe a country should be run by a government.
Don't believe the hype.

[Jim44]

[QUOTE=Offside Trap;3267161]
Agreed - and no I'm not sure! :greengrin

But the extract below sure provides a stick to beat the St Mirren Board with if they allow SevCo in.

"The Board of Directors as well as all other St Mirren supporters totally understands the sense of injustice felt at this time instigated by the way in which another club in our League has conducted their affairs."

Sending pretty strong smoke signals IMHO.....

[/QUOTE


I foresee a huge increase in the use of the word 'however' by club chairmen in the next couple of weeks.

[Just Alf]

Yep, I read that as st mirren getting the excuses in...

I wondered too, especially considering.... if it was me and the Huns always called ME "St Midden" I KNOW which way I'd be voting!

[DH1875]

I wondered too, especially considering.... if it was me and the Huns always called ME "St Midden" I KNOW which way I'd be voting!


Talk is that Rangers could have bought St Mirren and then took their place. I wouldn't be happy if I were a fan and they voted them back in.

[StevieC]

Attitudes hardening. Latest from St Mirren Board:

http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13244

I actually think the opposite.
Whenever I hear a chairman say "the best interests of the football club" it screams to me finances and a YES vote to a NewCo!

[RyeSloan]

Never said this before, but.... SOURCE? :greengrin

:greengrin

I took it straight from Down the Slopes post..it quoted a league spokesman as saying:

"A new company (newco) has bought Rangers' assets, including Ibrox Stadium"

DTS sadly failed to state where he took the article from but to me that seemed pretty clear that the SPL were of the opinion that Servco now had Ibrox.

[ScottB]

I actually think the opposite.
Whenever I hear a chairman say "the best interests of the football club" it screams to me finances and a YES vote to a NewCo!

Unless St Mirren are the club that have currently only sold a few hundred Season Tickets.

Finances are of course a key driver, but all us 'Gang of Ten' clubs derive the bulk of our income from ticket sales.

Of course it should then be pointed out that if we stop going to games we aren't likely to be watching them either. So the Sky deal would likely go mammaries skyward also.

[Offside Trap]

I actually think the opposite.
Whenever I hear a chairman say "the best interests of the football club" it screams to me finances and a YES vote to a NewCo!

Opinions eh! Seems like many on here are reading this different to me....guess we'll see. I just don't get why St Mirren would put this statement out on their own website with words like "injustice" included if they intend to vote in SevCo. Doesn't make any tactical sense...they should just say nothing if they intend to vote yes.

[blackpoolhibs]

We must know how each and every club votes dont we Ally, we must have transparency?

[Westie1875]

We must know how each and every club votes dont we Ally, we must have transparency?

They have to make it public IMO, has it been confirmed anywhere that this will be the case?

[Captain Trips]

If Rangers are a new club on paper and a club votes yes because basically the new club is predicted to bring in money then that for me is the end of football as competion in Scotland.

A new club to play in SPL should have to earn that on pitch or else there is really no point. I have said it before this shouldnt even be up for vote the newco should apply along with Whitehill welfare etc etc.

[matty_f]

I don't think new Rangers will get enough votes to get into the SPL.

I'm actually begining to wonder if they'll even get an SFL place, given that the requirement is to produce accounts for x no. of years. They can't satisfy that criteria so they're application would surely fall at that point in favour of a club that can?

[gazman]

Mcbookie go 1-2 rangers play spl next season,no fans want it but we all know it's gonna happen,

[RyeSloan]

Mcbookie go 1-2 rangers play spl next season,no fans want it but we all know it's gonna happen,

Bookies are often wrong...just look at the prices on Greece to win the other night!

I would happily wager a bet the other way on this.

[ancienthibby]

I don't think new Rangers will get enough votes to get into the SPL.

I'm actually begining to wonder if they'll even get an SFL place, given that the requirement is to produce accounts for x no. of years. They can't satisfy that criteria so they're application would surely fall at that point in favour of a club that can?

This should become a 'must read' for everyone!:agree:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9337279/Rangers-would-have-to-start-in-Scottish-League-Division-Three-says-SFL-chief-executive-David-Longmuir.html#

[Onion]

If Rangers are a new club on paper and a club votes yes because basically the new club is predicted to bring in money then that for me is the end of football as competion in Scotland.

A new club to play in SPL should have to earn that on pitch or else there is really no point. I have said it before this shouldnt even be up for vote the newco should apply along with Whitehill welfare etc etc.

I'm not so sure about this but see your point. The bigger issue for me with Newco is the previous crimes, fraud, cheating, double contracts, taking the SFA to court, and total lack of any humility, remorse or apology. The Huns and Celtic must really wonder what it WOULD take to get relegated.

The SPL might as well amend the paragraphs on relegation to state (all, except the OF whom are exempted). Only in Scotland :rolleyes:

[VickMackie]

This should become a 'must read' for everyone!:agree:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9337279/Rangers-would-have-to-start-in-Scottish-League-Division-Three-says-SFL-chief-executive-David-Longmuir.html#

They must have read my prediction about them trying to wriggle into the first division.

[Offside Trap]

Mcbookie go 1-2 rangers play spl next season,no fans want it but we all know it's gonna happen,

Interesting. What odds are they offering on Huns NOT in SPL next season?

[Onion]

4th July. Hundepence day!

Funniest quote of the day :greengrin

[snooky]

This should become a 'must read' for everyone!:agree:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9337279/Rangers-would-have-to-start-in-Scottish-League-Division-Three-says-SFL-chief-executive-David-Longmuir.html#

"There are no winners in this situation. The good of the game is balancing sporting integrity with the finances available, and to be realistic about the future.”
This is a worrying quote to me.

Surely it should just be - "There are no winners in this situation. The game is (about) sporting integrity"
The wording of the initial quote implies that sporting integrity has a price. No it hasn't.

As someone suggested earlier, you can't - be half pregnant, half honest or half lying.

[Onion]

St Mirren will be controlled by fans trust by the time the SPL vote is taken and their spokesman said the for/against vote will be decided by their members.

He also said membership was open to anyone. :wink:

Interesting... if the vote was in the balance, a fly £1m by Green into St Mirren might just tip the balance. There are going to be so many twist an turns in this saga over coming weeks.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

sorry a bit late with this....

A long long time ago
I can still remember how
The football used to make me smile
And I knew if they took their chance
My team could make those Hibees dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while
But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I sighed
When I read about yon Craigie Whyte
But something touched me deep inside
**The day the Rangers died**


Bye, bye Glasgow Rangers have died
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them loyal boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singin' this'll be the day that We die
This'll be the day that We die

[Offside Trap]

Useful one stop shop with all of the public statements from SPL clubs thus far:

http://sport.stv.tv/football/106806-rangers-newco-vote-the-spl-powerbrokers-in-their-own-words/

One thought - a number of those club statements make reference to supporter consultation...i.e. in a structured way....are we expecting Hibs to do something formal between now and the vote?

[Caversham Green]

It's probably worth pointing out that Rangers haven't actually been found guilty of the hidden contracts charges yet. The SPL's investigators have looked at the evidence and decided that prima facie - on the face of it - there is a case to answer. That means that there still has to be a hearing to determine whether they are guilty or not then, if found guilty, the punishment has to be determined. It looks like the SPL have come to the conclusion that the undead huns can be charged with the deceased huns crimes, so it looks like continuity is the way they will be going.

The only reason Newco would be voted into the SPL is because they are Rangers FC. Rangers FC have already been found guilty of trangressions that were deemed second only to match-fixing and the crime they now stand accused of must up near the top of the scale as well. If they're found guilty of that I can't see any justification whether sporting or commercial for allowing them to compete in Scotland's top league in the forthcoming season. Allowing them to compete at all would be extremely lenient.

[Kato]

So where are the Yams in this list ? Their fans certainly calling for Team 12 to start in the 3rd Div. Their owner calls them the Mafia, but now expected to vote them straight in to the SPL ? Makes no sense.

Hearts are trying to create a precedent as they are up next for a meeting with Hector.

[Caversham Green]

"There are no winners in this situation. The good of the game is balancing sporting integrity with the finances available, and to be realistic about the future.”
This is a worrying quote to me.

Surely it should just be - "There are no winners in this situation. The game is (about) sporting integrity"
The wording of the initial quote implies that sporting integrity has a price. No it hasn't.

As someone suggested earlier, you can't - be half pregnant, half honest or half lying.

Don't worry too much about it. This is the SFL CEO speaking and he is not directly involved in the Rangers saga for the moment so his words carry no more weight then yours or mine.

[EH6 Hibby]

Given that it's highly unlikely that Sevco will get the required number of votes to enter the league due to Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Celtc all voting no and St Mirren look like they will also vote no, I can't imagine why any team would want to incur the wrath of their own fans and a large number of travelling fans by voting yes to a lost cause. I don't get it.

[hibee]

8363

[erin go bragh]

Interesting. What odds are they offering on Huns NOT in SPL next season?
6/4 :cb

ggtth

[FranckSuzy]

8363

Brilliant :greengrin I'm stealing that!

[Kaiser1962]

It's probably worth pointing out that Rangers haven't actually been found guilty of the hidden contracts charges yet. The SPL's investigators have looked at the evidence and decided that prima facie - on the face of it - there is a case to answer. That means that there still has to be a hearing to determine whether they are guilty or not then, if found guilty, the punishment has to be determined. It looks like the SPL have come to the conclusion that the undead huns can be charged with the deceased huns crimes, so it looks like continuity is the way they will be going.




Thats true Cav but given the previous statement by Dodds, and today's by Boumsong, this is surely a forgone conclusion. Difficult to see how they can get out of it and given the information that Hector may be contacting a sample of beneficiaries then I would imaging there are more than a few sphincter's twitching right about now. Tax "avoidance" is looking more and more like "evasion", with the consequences that brings with it.

Rangers should be kicked out the SPL/SFL and made to rejoin their local league and start again. There is no justification within the rules for them to remain in any of the national leagues.

[Caversham Green]

Thats true Cav but given the previous statement by Dodds, and today's by Boumsong, this is surely a forgone conclusion. Difficult to see how they can get out of it and given the information that Hector may be contacting a sample of beneficiaries then I would imaging there are more than a few sphincter's twitching right about now. Tax "avoidance" is looking more and more like "evasion", with the consequences that brings with it.

Rangers should be kicked out the SPL/SFL and made to rejoin their local league and start again. There is no justification within the rules for them to remain in any of the national leagues.

I agree - and I did say earlier that Boumsong's comments pretty much wrapped it up - but we're just getting ahead of ourselves a wee bit here. There still has to be a hearing and it's just possible (although highly unlikely) that they could discover that the EBTs were disclosed to the SPL after all - innocent until proven guilty an' all that. Whatever the outcome it's going to be some time before it all unfolds so we shouldn't expect Club 12 to turn into Dundee overnight.

[ronaldo7]

8363

:aok: Stolen

[Kato]

The oldest derby in the world is not the two clubs in Glasgow.


..and it never has been...

[VickMackie]

Thats true Cav but given the previous statement by Dodds, and today's by Boumsong, this is surely a forgone conclusion. Difficult to see how they can get out of it and given the information that Hector may be contacting a sample of beneficiaries then I would imaging there are more than a few sphincter's twitching right about now. Tax "avoidance" is looking more and more like "evasion", with the consequences that brings with it.

Rangers should be kicked out the SPL/SFL and made to rejoin their local league and start again. There is no justification within the rules for them to remain in any of the national leagues.

Boumsong is quoted as saying as saying that he almost pulled the plug after realising he'd be getting paid via an EBT.

[neilmartinrocks]

..and it never has been...

forrest and county?

[Kato]

forrest and county?

:agree: 1866

[neilmartinrocks]

:agree: 1866

cheers. so is ours second them?

[Kaiser1962]

I agree - and I did say earlier that Boumsong's comments pretty much wrapped it up - but we're just getting ahead of ourselves a wee bit here. There still has to be a hearing and it's just possible (although highly unlikely) that they could discover that the EBTs were disclosed to the SPL after all - innocent until proven guilty an' all that. Whatever the outcome it's going to be some time before it all unfolds so we shouldn't expect Club 12 to turn into Dundee overnight.


Its difficult not to! With every hun utterance they are getting themselves deeper and deeper into the mire and moving inexorably towards an outcome that is as desirable (to the non-hun world) as it is inevitable.

Like a kid at Xmas!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

More smoke and mirrors than a meeting of the magic circle judging by some of the STV comments.

Expect the vote to be secret ballot, folks to say one thing in public and look after their own interests come the vote.

[Tom Hart RIP]

Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

[neilmartinrocks]

More smoke and mirrors than a meeting of the magic circle judging by some of the STV comments.

Expect the vote to be secret ballot, folks to say one thing in public and look after their own interests come the vote.

no such thing as a secret ballot these days too many ears.

[Planet Hibs]

More smoke and mirrors than a meeting of the magic circle judging by some of the STV comments.

Expect the vote to be secret ballot, folks to say one thing in public and look after their own interests come the vote.

Hey am sure McCoist will be outraged if it's secret and demand to know who made what decision! ...unless the cheating barstewards walk right back in then it's all rosy in the garden again

[Littlest Hobo]

Why is it taking so long?

Is there a really good reason for the wait, the uncertainty, the embarrassment?

You would think they would just get it done one way or another.

Talk about milking it ;(

[CropleyWasGod]

Why is it taking so long?

Is there a really good reason for the wait, the uncertainty, the embarrassment?

You would think they would just get it done one way or another.

Talk about milking it ;(

Process.

Calm yourself, this is being done the right way. :agree:

[Leithenhibby]

Process.

Calm yourself, this is being done the right way. :agree:


:agree: And this sort of thing shouldn't be rushed. It is better than reading a book before bed .... :greengrin

[Kato]

Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

Don't worry mate. I remember some SFA bod saying these things even themselves up over the course of time. So by 2112 we'll be almost there. Then again maybe not.

[Ray_]

Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

I think this was 72/73, in the replay after a 1-1 at Ibrox that we should have won in a canter. In the replay we were all over them & McCloy played a stormer, I think it was McLean with the penalty incident.

[WindyMiller]

I think this was 72/73, in the replay after a 1-1 at Ibrox that we should have won in a canter. In the replay we were all over them & McCloy played a stormer, I think it was McLean with the penalty incident.



:agree:

at the Dunbar End.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Gordon Waddle in yesterday's Mail claimed that his discussions with the chairmen indicate that the newco wont be voted in.

That will make up for the times they have cheated us on the pitch.

Does anyone remember the despicable penalty in the 73/74 cup quarter final replay at Easter Road in front of 49,000. Hibs were denied a stick on penalty when Gordon was punched in the box. Bobby Davidson ignored it and gave them a penalty when (poss Alfie Conn?) dived fron 2 yards outside the box.

I was in the shed when Ian Macdonald did his blatant dive years later and the worst of all, when we were 3-1 up and denied another stonewall penalty by Bobby Tait. They eventually won 4-3 and that was the start of our terrible run which ended in relegation. The same Bobby Tait asked the SFA to let him referee Rangers at Ibrox for his last game.

I suspect there will be many more examples, but these three were from the top of my head.

Good riddance.

What about Goram knocked unconscious at ibrox - the ref never stopped the game and they scored whilst he was out cold - disgusting.

Or Hateley and Geebsie going for the ball iirc Geebsie elbowed and Hateley either scored or got a penalty.