Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[worcesterhibby]

I think what is happening is that they are realising that they will never rival Celtic again. The gap is too big and its structural.
Even once the retail deal ends in 6 years they won't even be close to matching Celtics income. And if there are to be 6 mores years of Celtic winning everything in sight then crowds at Ibrox will be back down to 80's levels.
They needs a massive investment of free cash over a sustained period of time to try and bridge the gap. I just don't see where it's coming from.


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Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

[Ozyhibby]

Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

He will need to be a very impressive manager. Sevco have a wage bill of £8m pa compared with Celtic at about £35m pa. that's a very big gap he is going to have to overcome. On top of that, Sevco can't even afford the £8m and are running at a loss to stay there.
Celtic are sitting on quite a pile of saving now so can up their spend if it looks like getting tight.
And the longer it takes for them to get competitive, the more their fans will walk away, increasing the gap between the two. They are in a death spiral and they need to pull up pretty quick if they want to save their new club.


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[Oscar T Grouch]

Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

Nah, Leicester are a well run club with good money behind them, they have a world class manager and some of their signing like Mahrez turned out to be amazing. The rangers have none of that, they are run by a crook and liar, they have no money behind them, even if they could get a decent manage he will be able to spend the 2nd largest amount next to celtc but how to you attract players? Celtc use the CL as a carrot to lure the players they have. There is no way back for the hun, they are a spent force in Scottish Football, they may win the league again one day, but that day will not be in the next 10 years imho. As celtc gain pace towards the 10 in a row, their STs will take a nose dive putting them under more financial trouble, they may even go through subsequent administration events or even liquidation (here's hoping!). They may win a cup or two but not the league.

[Marco G]

Nah, Leicester are a well run club with good money behind them, they have a world class manager and some of their signing like Mahrez turned out to be amazing. The rangers have none of that, they are run by a crook and liar, they have no money behind them, even if they could get a decent manage he will be able to spend the 2nd largest amount next to celtc but how to you attract players? Celtc use the CL as a carrot to lure the players they have. There is no way back for the hun, they are a spent force in Scottish Football, they may win the league again one day, but that day will not be in the next 10 years imho. As celtc gain pace towards the 10 in a row, their STs will take a nose dive putting them under more financial trouble, they may even go through subsequent administration events or even liquidation (here's hoping!). They may win a cup or two but not the league.
The day was when Rangers had home gates of 7000 or so. That is their real core support. Recent support has been good just because of them thinking they were hard done by (!). So I agree with your view.

There is little chance of them winning the league in near future and that will eat away at their gates, coz nothing but being the best will do, and they do not have the means to do it!

[Dashing Bob S]

The day was when Rangers had home gates of 7000 or so. That is their real core support. Recent support has been good just because of them thinking they were hard done by (!). So I agree with your view.

There is little chance of them winning the league in near future and that will eat away at their gates, coz nothing but being the best will do, and they do not have the means to do it!

i think the likely scenario is a falling away of support over the next 2-3 years, coupled by a desperate, debt-fuelled signing spree to thwart Celtic getting ten in a row, or close to 51 flags, and then further admin.

[Marco G]

i think the likely scenario is a falling away of support over the next 2-3 years, coupled by a desperate, debt-fuelled signing spree to thwart Celtic getting ten in a row, or close to 51 flags, and then further admin.
Seems a likely outcome!

[JeMeSouviens]

There's another bleating Walter article in the Record today and there was a Stuart McCall one the other day, all ramping up the fear of Celtc getting to 10 in a row. Presumably this means King&chums are set for another attempt at getting the 75% vote they need to start diluting others' shareholdings?

[ACLeith]

i think the likely scenario is a falling away of support over the next 2-3 years, coupled by a desperate, debt-fuelled signing spree to thwart Celtic getting ten in a row, or close to 51 flags, and then further admin.

Here's hoping. And if they're stupid enough to shaft HMRC again then it's liquidation 2.

[Is It On....]

There's another bleating Walter article in the Record today and there was a Stuart McCall one the other day, all ramping up the fear of Celtc getting to 10 in a row. Presumably this means King&chums are set for another attempt at getting the 75% vote they need to start diluting others' shareholdings?

I don't really understand why they are so wedded to trying to get rid of pre-emption rights of existing shareholders. I am sure that Big Mike would take up his allocation so as long as King and his pals take up their allocation then their power base is undiminished. Unless that is, King doesn't want to or can't afford to put more money in..

[Topographic Hibby]

... desperate, debt-fuelled signing spree to thwart Celtic getting ten in a row, or close to 51 flags, and then further admin.
This is part of their problem. Nobody is willing to lend to them. Unless it's at really onerous rates and terms.

Cash Converters anyone.......?

[Ozyhibby]

I don't really understand why they are so wedded to trying to get rid of pre-emption rights of existing shareholders. I am sure that Big Mike would take up his allocation so as long as King and his pals take up their allocation then their power base is undiminished. Unless that is, King doesn't want to or can't afford to put more money in..

They want to be able to create and sell shares to select people at any price they like without offering them to Ashley.
They have permission to do a normal share issue now, the problem is that Ashley would participate while some shareholders (McCoist, Smith etc) would not and Ashley's share of the company would go up.

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[jonty]

They want to be able to create and sell shares to select people at any price they like without offering them to Ashley.
They have permission to do a normal share issue now, the problem is that Ashley would participate while some shareholders (McCoist, Smith etc) would not and Ashley's share of the company would go up.

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isn't Ashley limited to under 10%?

[Onion]

Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

Leicester was a hundred year event, the Huns have slightly higher expectations. The Hun Hoards have zero patience and outrageous sense of self-importance. They ar a Peepl, after all. If the Sevco Board came out with a cohesive plan that showed Sevco competing effectively for the title with Celtic in 4 to 5 years times, there would be a riot. Celtic have so much headroom, structurally and financially, that they could afford to mess up big time and still stumble their way to the CL pot of gold. In terms of personnel, I doubt there is 1 Sevco player who would get in the Celtic side. The marginal cost of getting from best of the rest to title winners (against a determined Celtic) is huge and could easily bust Sevco, if they could even get their hands on that amount of cash. Watching them gnash their teeth over the next 4 or 5 years with the odd League Cup win should be hilarious.

[blackpoolhibs]

Don't understand why the the huns don't get Fergus McCann in to sort them out, just as he did at Celtc. They've never looked back.

And Fergus looked both ways at the same time.

[high bee]

I can see the green half of West of Scotland FC passing the Hybrid Half (Rangers and Sevco) on all titles won, then there will be trouble.

[Ozyhibby]

isn't Ashley limited to under 10%?

No, I don't think so. That was a gentlemens agreement I think.
He would only increases his percentage if others did not take part in the fundraising, something he would not know about until afterwards.
Besides, the SFA are pretty toothless.


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[staunchhibby]

Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site

[high bee]

Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site

we should really start a new thread when insolvency 2 occurs, otherwise it will just become confusing.

[northstandhibby]

Anyone know why the ten in a row thing is being linked with The Rangers? They've not won a single title yet so don't know why it concerns them. Will be many a year before they'll even win two in a row never mind nine or ten.

:dunno:

[HoboHarry]

Anyone know why the ten in a row thing is being linked with The Rangers? They've not won a single title yet so don't know why it concerns them. Will be many a year before they'll even win two in a row never mind nine or ten.

:dunno:
It's Celtic winning ten in a row that has then wetting their panties. Beats their nine in a row.

[Keith_M]

It's Celtic winning ten in a row that has then wetting their panties. Beats their nine in a row.


I think the point was that they haven't won any titles yet, but I suppose it depends on your point of view.

[Jack]

Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site

I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.

[Bostonhibby]

I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.
Agree, useful thread which many enjoy having a pop at the the huns on.

There must be another one that is also disliked that could be closed down instead😉

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[Is It On....]

They want to be able to create and sell shares to select people at any price they like without offering them to Ashley.
They have permission to do a normal share issue now, the problem is that Ashley would participate while some shareholders (McCoist, Smith etc) would not and Ashley's share of the company would go up.

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Exactly..the law us there to stop unscrupulous owners from shafting minority shareholders...who would have Glib & Shameless would be trying to take away that protection. And Sally and Uncle Walt are free to do their bit for the club they love!!

[brog]

I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.

Agreed. I propose we close down after 1690 pages!

[jonty]

No, I don't think so. That was a gentlemens agreement I think.
I thought I'd read it somewhere - it was an agreement he signed up to and they knocked him back when he asked for more: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/24/mike-ashley-rangers-stake-sfa
I wonder how many other shareholders in clubs have had to sign up to agreements by the SFA.


He would only increases his percentage if others did not take part in the fundraising, something he would not know about until afterwards.
Besides, the SFA are pretty toothless.


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Aint that the truth.

[southsider]

This is part of their problem. Nobody is willing to lend to them. Unless it's at really onerous rates and terms.

Cash Converters anyone.......?

Or Mrs Budge. Done it down PBS way !

[jacomo]

I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.


:agree:

This thread is brilliant. Since Feb 2012 and still going. What a saga!

[Topographic Hibby]

Or Mrs Budge. Done it down PBS way !Hyacinth Budge, for all her faults, is a million miles from King and Co. She has an element of trust and reliability about her. Not qualities that are in even modest quantities down Ibrox way.

Budge is taking them kicking and screaming into the land of harsh reality. King and his mouthpieces want someone else to stump up their cash to buy Hun2 some glory. Knowing full well that nobody but nobody would lend them a tenner.

[Kaiser1962]

The day was when Rangers had home gates of 7000 or so. That is their real core support. Recent support has been good just because of them thinking they were hard done by (!). So I agree with your view.

There is little chance of them winning the league in near future and that will eat away at their gates, coz nothing but being the best will do, and they do not have the means to do it!

Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

[Ringothedog]

Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

What a *****y home support

[Deansy]

Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

Some very interesting 'MINIMUM Home Attendances' though, over a 15 year-period between 1970-1985-86 - 85-86 saw the arrival of the Lawrence Group and the big-money which in turn, increased the number of 'Loyals' who DIDN'T attend previously when they 'Played-within-their-means' - I.E won nowt !!

http://www.fitbastats.com/rangers/club_records_league_attendance.php

A home gate of 4,000 in the 1971-72 season is puzzling for 'One of the biggest clubs in the world' :confused:

[Kaiser1962]

Some very interesting 'MINIMUM Home Attendances' though, over a 15 year-period between 1970-1985-86 - 85-86 saw the arrival of the Lawrence Group and the big-money which in turn, increased the number of 'Loyals' who DIDN'T attend previously when they 'Played-within-their-means' - I.E won nowt !!

http://www.fitbastats.com/rangers/club_records_league_attendance.php

A home gate of 4,000 in the 1971-72 season is puzzling for 'One of the biggest clubs in the world' :confused:

All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically. :greengrin

[Marco G]

Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)
Maybe so for averages, but they did hit some individual real lows as other posters have also pointed out. Remember the average will have been greatly boosted by sell out games v Celtic, Hibs, Hearts etc. But when they were struggling, they did often have gates of well less than 10,000.
I was just pointing out if they start to sell less season tickets year on year due to not competing with Celtic then that might happen again.

[Marco G]

All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically. :greengrin
Well I agree that the chances are this thread will continue to provide good value!

[Deansy]

All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically. :greengrin

Sorry, I wasn't arguing or finding fault with your post, it was more to highlight the difference between a Hun with NO money and a Hun WITH money. When you hear/read some of their guff, it's like the pre-'Lawrence Group' days didn't even exist and they've played to full houses ever since their inception(s) !

Same problem exists over at the PBS !

[Ozyhibby]

They are now having to manage within their own resources for the first time since 1986.
The fans are only seeing this year what that exactly means. If their crowds drop anywhere near to the 30k mark its curtains. The have far bigger overheads now than previously when crowds have went that low.
Selling season tickets this summer is going to be tricky. The fans won't fall for #goingfor55. They see how far behind they are and signing teenagers who have never played first team football will never cut the gap. They won't be able bring in another Joey Barton name signing as they don't have the cash and the fans know now they need better quality than that. Interesting times ahead.


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[Marco G]

They are now having to manage within their own resources for the first time since 1986.
The fans are only seeing this year what that exactly means. If their crowds drop anywhere near to the 30k mark its curtains. The have far bigger overheads now than previously when crowds have went that low.
Selling season tickets this summer is going to be tricky. The fans won't fall for #goingfor55. They see how far behind they are and signing teenagers who have never played first team football will never cut the gap. They won't be able bring in another Joey Barton name signing as they don't have the cash and the fans know now they need better quality than that. Interesting times ahead.


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Sums up their problems very clearly, thanks.

[Keith_M]

Maybe so for averages, but they did hit some individual real lows as other posters have also pointed out. Remember the average will have been greatly boosted by sell out games v Celtic, Hibs, Hearts etc. But when they were struggling, they did often have gates of well less than 10,000.
I was just pointing out if they start to sell less season tickets year on year due to not competing with Celtic then that might happen again.


Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)

[Peevemor]

Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)

Where arapeepul?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUU4XAiMHfo

[wpj]

Some very interesting 'MINIMUM Home Attendances' though, over a 15 year-period between 1970-1985-86 - 85-86 saw the arrival of the Lawrence Group and the big-money which in turn, increased the number of 'Loyals' who DIDN'T attend previously when they 'Played-within-their-means' - I.E won nowt !!

http://www.fitbastats.com/rangers/club_records_league_attendance.php

A home gate of 4,000 in the 1971-72 season is puzzling for 'One of the biggest clubs in the world' :confused:

Maybe there was a transport strike stranding all the "loyal" in their far flung towns and villages

[Peevemor]

Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.

[Keith_M]

Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.



Erramacroonanchewinguuuuuum!

[Peevemor]

Erramacroonanchewinguuuuuum!


Fishelmacrooonbarzzz...

[Geo_1875]

Maybe there was a transport strike stranding all the "loyal" in their far flung towns and villages

More likely the ferries weren't sailing that weekend.

[rodhibs55]

Erramacroonanchewinguuuuuum!

Speermentchewenguuuuum

[Moulin Yarns]

Speermentchewenguuuuum

Sportsocksthreefurrapound

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think what is happening is that they are realising that they will never rival Celtic again. The gap is too big and its structural.
Even once the retail deal ends in 6 years they won't even be close to matching Celtics income. And if there are to be 6 mores years of Celtic winning everything in sight then crowds at Ibrox will be back down to 80's levels.
They needs a massive investment of free cash over a sustained period of time to try and bridge the gap. I just don't see where it's coming from.


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Chris Sutton said that in one of the papers last week, much as I hate to say it but, Celtic should be hammering home the advantage they have over The Rangers and reduce them to a spent force once and for all.

[Canon Hannan]

Chris Sutton said that in one of the papers last week, much as I hate to say it but, Celtic should be hammering home the advantage they have over The Rangers and reduce them to a spent force once and for all.
Hutchie, the nearer Celtic get to 10 in a row the worse their fans will behave. They are not a happy bunch and the Sevco Board are going to suffer from huge fan pressure in the next few years to stop the record being beaten. It's great fun to watch as the No Surrender brigade are struggling to cope!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Hutchie, the nearer Celtic get to 10 in a row the worse their fans will behave. They are not a happy bunch and the Sevco Board are going to suffer from huge fan pressure in the next few years to stop the record being beaten. It's great fun to watch as the No Surrender brigade are struggling to cope!

I concur.

[lord bunberry]

Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.
I think Celtic were at it when it came to crowd numbers back then. I remember going through there a few times and thinking there was a pretty big crowd in the stadium, only for the attendance to be put at around 20k. There was no way the stadium was only a third full.

[Peevemor]

I think Celtic were at it when it came to crowd numbers back then. I remember going through there a few times and thinking there was a pretty big crowd in the stadium, only for the attendance to be put at around 20k. There was no way the stadium was only a third full.
Possibly, but I also remember going there and the jungle being the only part of the ground looking half busy, with the rest, including the stand, pretty empty.

[Liberal Hibby]

Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

The other point at the time was that Fergie's Dons were averaging similar and Celtic were not much in front, so the vast budgetary advantage the OF have now didn't exist.

If Rangers do return to these sort of attendances then it's not just a matter of being miles behind Celtic it's that they're in the chasing pack with the rest.

[worcesterhibby]

Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site

We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread :greengrin

[Is It On....]

Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)

Was that when Gordon Rae scored?

[CropleyWasGod]

Was that when Gordon Rae scored?
23 October 1982 was when we lost 3-2. Jackie Mac scored an OG from 20 yards.

I know this cos it's the day my oldest was born 😀

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[fat freddy]

We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread :greengrin

Inspired post, Charles Green would be proud

[northstandhibby]

We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread :greengrin

You could rename it THE Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread.

:greengrin

[Is It On....]

Erramacroonanchewinguuuuuum!

That actually reminds me of Motherwell...chewinthechews..

[Bostonhibby]

We could close the thread down, but someone would just buy the name of the thread and restart it and claim that it was the original thread :greengrin
Excellent, this is precisely why threads like this need to remain open [emoji23]

" I spent some of the happiest days of my football playing life at Easter Road" - Sir Matt Busby

[magpie1892]

Celtic weren't that much better. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead their crowds really picked up, but throughout the 80s I remember going through there (watch yer car fur ye mister) and attendances were generally 18-25k.

Midweek League game v. Killie as the Celtc fans were really starting to push the Kellys and a group of supporters stood outside the turnstiles around the ground with them little clicker things to count the folk going in. Crowd: 8,005. Published crowd: 16k or so. The irony of Celtc overstating their attendances was not lost on most people.

Uni mate of mine took me to Celtc v. Koln with the 'hoops' 2-0 down from the first leg. Celtc won 3-0 to go through on aggregate and the place (which held about 60,000 at the time) was absolutely rammed. Following morning: Att: 35,000. Hmm....

[JimBHibees]

Midweek League game v. Killie as the Celtc fans were really starting to push the Kellys and a group of supporters stood outside the turnstiles around the ground with them little clicker things to count the folk going in. Crowd: 8,005. Published crowd: 16k or so. The irony of Celtc overstating their attendances was not lost on most people.

Uni mate of mine took me to Celtc v. Koln with the 'hoops' 2-0 down from the first leg. Celtc won 3-0 to go through on aggregate and the place (which held about 60,000 at the time) was absolutely rammed. Following morning: Att: 35,000. Hmm....

Can remember we played them at Parkhead in the cup and looked about 40k crowd reported as 25. Laughable.

[magpie1892]

Can remember we played them at Parkhead in the cup and looked about 40k crowd reported as 25. Laughable.

Dave King has wet dreams about those days. Poor sod realises he's not going to get a single penny back of the £20m he *****ed on them when Murray was in charge. No idea why he's still there - end must be in sight, surely.

[Keith_M]

Was that when Gordon Rae scored?


The only thing I remember about that day was that I went into the Main Stand with about 20 guys from our bus, but the rest of the Hibs Support (only a few hundred) was in the Broomloan Stand Front and when we left, there was a crowd of Rangers Fans waiting for us and we had to be escorted to the bus by a large number of Polis.

We weren't a bunch hooligans trying to look tough but a mixture of older guys and kids, who had the misfortune to go in to the wrong part of the stadium by accident.

[Keith_M]

It looks like The Rangers and Celtc are having a slight disagreement over money.


After the The Rangers Fans smashed up toilets at Celtc Park, Celtc sent them a bill for the repairs and, guess what, it hasn't been paid.

So, when Celtc were due to hand the money over for the tickets they sold their fans for the last game at Ibrox, they did so... minus 35k for the unpaid repair bill.

The Rangers are now planning a tit-for-tat measure for the next game at Celtc Park, for damage they allege Celtc fans did to Ibrox at Hogmanay



They're like a couple of schoolkids.

:rolleyes:

[Is It On....]

It looks like The Rangers and Celtc are having a slight disagreement over money.


After the The Rangers Fans smashed up toilets at Celtc Park, Celtc sent them a bill for the repairs and, guess what, it hasn't been paid.

So, when Celtc were due to hand the money over for the tickets they sold their fans for the last game at Ibrox, they did so... minus 35k for the unpaid repair bill.

The Rangers are now planning a tit-for-tat measure for the next game at Celtc Park, for damage they allege Celtc fans did to Ibrox at Hogmanay



They're like a couple of schoolkids.

:rolleyes:

Except one school kid doesn't want to pay for the damage..not paying your bills is something Old /The Rangers (and their Edinburgh cousins) are very good at.

[JeMeSouviens]

It looks like The Rangers and Celtc are having a slight disagreement over money.


After the The Rangers Fans smashed up toilets at Celtc Park, Celtc sent them a bill for the repairs and, guess what, it hasn't been paid.

So, when Celtc were due to hand the money over for the tickets they sold their fans for the last game at Ibrox, they did so... minus 35k for the unpaid repair bill.

The Rangers are now planning a tit-for-tat measure for the next game at Celtc Park, for damage they allege Celtc fans did to Ibrox at Hogmanay



They're like a couple of schoolkids.

:rolleyes:

Although apparently one of the kids (4 year old) has been unable to provide any evidence of damage.

[Keith_M]

Although apparently one of the kids (4 year old) has been unable to provide any evidence of damage.


That's not true, there's a video doing the rounds of Celtc Fans lighting Scented Candles in the toilets.

I'm sure that must count as vandalism...

[Geo_1875]

Although apparently one of the kids (4 year old) has been unable to provide any evidence of damage.

I'm sure they caused 30 years worth of wear and tear to all 4 stands.

[Keith_M]

I'm sure they caused 30 years worth of wear and tear to all 4 stands.


I think they've sent a bill of £5M to Celtc for the damage their fans did to the Stand Roof.

[Bostonhibby]

That's not true, there's a video doing the rounds of Celtc Fans lighting Scented Candles in the toilets.

I'm sure that must count as vandalism...
Taunting of the worst kind, everyone knows the the huns are pot pourri people. Candles are a step too far and I imagine king will already have instructed police Glasgow about which charges he expects to see.

" I spent some of the happiest days of my football playing life at Easter Road" - Sir Matt Busby

[JeMeSouviens]

Taunting of the worst kind, everyone knows the the huns are pot pourri people. Candles are a step too far and I imagine king will already have instructed police Glasgow about which charges he expects to see.

" I spent some of the happiest days of my football playing life at Easter Road" - Sir Matt Busby

Au contraire, Rev Ian Paisley made a whole career out of his rallying cry of "No Pot Pourri!"


(You set them up ... :wink:)

[Bostonhibby]

Au contraire, Rev Ian Paisley made a whole career out of his rallying cry of "No Pot Pourri!"


(You set them up ... :wink:)
[emoji23] we have a winner. Now having to explain my outburst of laughter to the guy next to me

" I spent some of the happiest days of my football playing life at Easter Road" - Sir Matt Busby

[brog]

Au contraire, Rev Ian Paisley made a whole career out of his rallying cry of "No Pot Pourri!"


(You set them up ... :wink:)

Superb! So daft it's brilliant.

[lapsedhibee]

That's not true, there's a video doing the rounds of Celtc Fans lighting Scented Candles in the toilets.

I'm sure that must count as vandalism...
Clear case of arson.


Au contraire, Rev Ian Paisley made a whole career out of his rallying cry of "No Pot Pourri!"

:greengrin

[northstandhibby]

Au contraire, Rev Ian Paisley made a whole career out of his rallying cry of "No Pot Pourri!"


(You set them up ... :wink:)

Very funny indeed!!!

:greengrin

[Big L]

Au contraire, Rev Ian Paisley made a whole career out of his rallying cry of "No Pot Pourri!"


(You set them up ... :wink:)

Brilliant!

[greenginger]

https://johnjamessite.com/2017/01/18/defending-the-4th-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-31390

Another JJ article but its the reference to an article by Hannan that caught my attention.

The jurno seems to be equating the Rangers 1872/ Sevco saga with Hibernian Football Club stopping playing for a bit in the 1890's and restarting .

We were a football club then and the same club restarted with a new committee in charge. Nothing like the Sevco situation IMO anyway.

[northstandhibby]

https://johnjamessite.com/2017/01/18/defending-the-4th-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-31390

Another JJ article but its the reference to an article by Hannan that caught my attention.

The jurno seems to be equating the Rangers 1872/ Sevco saga with Hibernian Football Club stopping playing for a bit in the 1890's and restarting .

We were a football club then and the same club restarted with a new committee in charge. Nothing like the Sevco situation IMO anyway.

A quick google search does not reveal much other than we ran into financial difficulty and ceased to operate for a short period of time. I too would dispute anyone should equate our financial problems to the financial doping and tax avoidance possible evasion of the old Huns. Certain its ridiculous to mention it in the same paragraph as the old Huns.

I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable hi bee historians will fill us in on here sometime soon with more detail.

Glory Glory

[Smartie]

A quick google search does not reveal much other than we ran into financial difficulty and ceased to operate for a short period of time. I too would dispute anyone should equate our financial problems to the financial doping and tax avoidance possible evasion of the old Huns. Certain its ridiculous to mention it in the same paragraph as the old Huns.

I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable hi bee historians will fill us in on here sometime soon with more detail.

Glory Glory

I think much of our toil and turmoil around that time came as a pretty direct consequence of actions of Rangers' best buddies from across their city.

[greenlex]

Has The Gambia ever been liquidated?

[Spike Mandela]

https://johnjamessite.com/2017/01/18/defending-the-4th-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-31390

Another JJ article but its the reference to an article by Hannan that caught my attention.

The jurno seems to be equating the Rangers 1872/ Sevco saga with Hibernian Football Club stopping playing for a bit in the 1890's and restarting .

We were a football club then and the same club restarted with a new committee in charge. Nothing like the Sevco situation IMO anyway.

Ha ha even if it were true it would still make Hibs newco 127 years old compared to Sevco's 5 years.:greengrin

[greenginger]

Ha ha even if it were true it would still make Hibs newco 127 years old compared to Sevco's 5 years.:greengrin


I think the angle would be that we should lose our 1886 cup win from our records if Sevco loses everything but their Petrofact cup and ,of course their 2016 runners up award. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Has The Gambia ever been liquidated?
They tried to merge them with Senegal at one time.

But the Hands Off Gambia movement had a rally.....you can guess the rest.

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[Spike Mandela]

I think the angle would be that we should lose our 1886 cup win from our records if Sevco loses everything but their Petrofact cup and ,of course their 2016 runners up award. :greengrin

I will accept that angle as we have replaced the 1886 cup win anyway ha ha.:wink:

[Bostonhibby]

https://johnjamessite.com/2017/01/18/defending-the-4th-estate/comment-page-1/#comment-31390

Another JJ article but its the reference to an article by Hannan that caught my attention.

The jurno seems to be equating the Rangers 1872/ Sevco saga with Hibernian Football Club stopping playing for a bit in the 1890's and restarting .

We were a football club then and the same club restarted with a new committee in charge. Nothing like the Sevco situation IMO anyway.
You're spot on about our situation way back then, nowt more to it.

[CropleyWasGod]

I will accept that angle as we have replaced the 1886 cup win anyway ha ha.:wink:
1886 was a tainted win.

There was no Celtc.

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[Spike Mandela]

1886 was a tainted win.

There was no Celtc.

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:greengrin:aok::top marks

[Is It On....]

Where arapeepul?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUU4XAiMHfo

1. Where are a peepul
2. Who is Flavell
3. Was Bertie Auld's dress sense ever "trendy"? (Looks a bit like a young Del Boy)

[CropleyWasGod]

1. Where are a peepul
2. Who is Flavell
3. Was Bertie Auld's dress sense ever "trendy"? (Looks a bit like a young Del Boy)
Bobby Flavell was my favourite player in that team. Classy...which meant that he played 1 good game in 3.

Sadly no longer with us.

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[brog]

1886 was a tainted win.

There was no Celtc.

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Especially as it was in 1887 which directly led to the formation of Celtc 1 year later! All together now, if it wasn't for the Hibees you'd be Huns!

[JeMeSouviens]

Especially as it was in 1887 which directly led to the formation of Celtc 1 year later! All together now, if it wasn't for the Hibees you'd be Huns!

Funnily enough, when we won the cup in 1887, the old Rangers had won exactly the same number of national trophies as the new Rangers have now. :wink:

[Bill Milne]

[QUOTE=Keekaboo;4906143]It looks like The Rangers and Celtc are having a slight disagreement over money.


After the The Rangers Fans smashed up toilets at Celtc Park, Celtc sent them a bill for the repairs and, guess what, it hasn't been paid.

So, when Celtc were due to hand the money over for the tickets they sold their fans for the last game at Ibrox, they did so... minus 35k for the unpaid repair bill.

The Rangers are now planning a tit-for-tat measure for the next game at Celtc Park, for damage they allege Celtc fans did to Ibrox at Hogmanay

Easy answer here is for Sellik to charge Sevco for tickets up front!

[tamig]

Bobby Flavell was my favourite player in that team. Classy...which meant that he played 1 good game in 3.

Sadly no longer with us.

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I liked Bobby Flavell too. He was a decent player for us.

[bigwheel]

I liked Bobby Flavell too. He was a decent player for us.

Bringing some threads together - have you ever seen Ruth Davidson and Bobby Flavell in a room together ?? ......just saying....

[CropleyWasGod]

Bringing some threads together - have you ever seen Ruth Davidson and Bobby Flavell in a room together ?? ......just saying....

Nah, cos that would be creepy. He's been deid 20 years. :greengrin

[bigwheel]

Nah, cos that would be creepy. He's been deid 20 years. :greengrin


that made me search the details...I hadn't realise Bobby Flavell had died such a young man - 39 years ...sad to find out that. I liked him...a bit of talent in a pretty poor team iirc

[CropleyWasGod]

that made me search the details...I hadn't realise Bobby Flavell had died such a young man - 39 years ...sad to find out that. I liked him...a bit of talent in a pretty poor team iirc

My hazy memory tells me that he maybe took his own life.

[bigwheel]

My hazy memory tells me that he maybe took his own life.


CWG - you're brightening up my day no end ... cheers though!

[JimBHibees]

My hazy memory tells me that he maybe took his own life.

Pretty sure he did.

[Is It On....]

Bobby Flavell was my favourite player in that team. Classy...which meant that he played 1 good game in 3.

Sadly no longer with us.

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Just checked him up..realy don't remember him .39 years old ffs...far too young..

[Hibrandenburg]

I think the angle would be that we should lose our 1886 cup win from our records if Sevco loses everything but their Petrofact cup and ,of course their 2016 runners up award. :greengrin

I'd do the trade.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

If the £6m that is being reported for McKay is true then that will help the Huns out of their hole (very unfortunate). Whether he is worth £6m is questionable. I thought less than a million if anything.

NB. Noticed story was the dr so more than likely from traynor

[GlesgaeHibby]

If the £6m that is being reported for McKay is true then that will help the Huns out of their hole (very unfortunate). Whether he is worth £6m is questionable. I thought less than a million if anything.

NB. Noticed story was the dr so more than likely from traynor

£6m is utterly laughable. Decent player but not worth anywhere near that. Huns would bite the hand for any offer worth £2m or more

[Velma Dinkley]

No offence to Keith Jackson, but he's made it clear he doesn't even have credible sources in Glasgow let alone Leipzig. Pure fiction from an embarrassing 'journalist'.

[Ozyhibby]

£6m is utterly laughable. Decent player but not worth anywhere near that. Huns would bite the hand for any offer worth £2m or more

He's not even worth £1m. This story comes straight from Ibrox in a bid to try generate some interest. They are desperate for cash.


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[Marco G]

He's not even worth £1m. This story comes straight from Ibrox in a bid to try generate some interest. They are desperate for cash.


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What happened was that Oliver Burke was quoted as saying he had been impressed by McKay in the friendly where The Rangers were gubbed. That seems to have converted to a story about Red Bull Leipzig waving around wodges of Euros to try sign him! Complete load of guff and coming from Ibrox as you say Ozyhibby!

[JeMeSouviens]

Hey everyone, we're neglecting the Sevco thread!

This, from FF, is so good I don't even know where to begin ... :greengrin:wink:


Drastic suggestion - should teams be pushing to kick Celtic out of Scottish football?
Even aside from the fact that referees are now visibly scared to give any decisions against them resulting in dozens of ludicrously bad decisions going in their favour this season. The decision today was beyond belief. Would we have got that? Not a chance.

Anyway, that's only one reason out of dozens. The boys club scandal, the excessive influence over the governing body and use of external bodies (politicians etc) to make decisions that favour one club or give them an advantage.

Their big call was about sporting integrity. Where is the sporting integrity when they are turning over 3 or 4 times their nearest competitor. This year they expect to make 80m next year when they sell Dembele and if they make the CL they'll possibly take over £100m. What chance do we or any other clubs have?

They aren't Scottish football, remind them if they have no one to play against they are nothing. We are the biggest club in the country and its time to start reminding people WATP and getting onside with other clubs to rail against their influence.

[CropleyWasGod]

Hey everyone, we're neglecting the Sevco thread!

This, from FF, is so good I don't even know where to begin ... :greengrin:wink:

Brilliant.

Hold on, but. Wasn't "sporting integrity" coined by our own Rod? Shouldn't their (well-thought out and rational...:greengrin) concerns be directed at him? :rolleyes:

[Platinum Scotty]

Hey everyone, we're neglecting the Sevco thread!

This, from FF, is so good I don't even know where to begin ... :greengrin:wink:

As you say, where on earth would someone begin to respond to that - utterly delusional as usual that lot

[fat freddy]

The poor soul clearly wasnt around when Old Rangers were using tax payers money and blank cheques from RBS to purchase a squad with 3 Internationalists vying for every position while Celtic had Wayne Bigguns playing up front with Gerry Briton.

[Ozyhibby]

The poor soul clearly wasnt around when Old Rangers were using tax payers money and blank cheques from RBS to purchase a squad with 3 Internationalists vying for every position while Celtic had Wayne Bigguns playing up front with Gerry Briton.

Bank of Scotland. Your point is a good one though.


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[21.05.2016]

The rangers online forum is rife with paranoia and delusions. A full thread suggesting that celtic have paid the SFA to cheat for them and that theirs a whole big conspiracy against rangers. Using money to cheat their way to winning? Oh Rangers if only you could see the irony!

Their victim card was hilarious at first then it became pathetic and desperate and now its just plain boring tbh. They simply can't get their tiny, bigoted wee minds around the fact that THEY cheated for years and therefore they got exactly what they deserved.

They can't stand Celtic lording it over them atm, as much as they hate to admit it, celtic are absolutely miles ahead of them and 10 in a row is a very real possibility as The Rangers wont be within touching distance of them anytime soon. It wouldn't surprise me if the huns ended up breaking the bank again as they desperately try to stop 10 in a row from happening.

The seethe, the foaming at the mouth hatred, the paranoia and the utter delusion is rife. You really have to see it to believe it so if your in need of a genuine laugh out loud then do check out their forum. The hurt is oh so very real!

[Bostonhibby]

Jeez the new clubs got a bigger chip on it's shoulder than the now defunct Glasgow rangers. All that separates them is the new boys have less of somebody else's money to play with

[HoboHarry]

Methinks that's a Celtic fan on the wind up lol......

[GlesgaeHibby]

Hey everyone, we're neglecting the Sevco thread!

This, from FF, is so good I don't even know where to begin ... :greengrin:wink:

It gets even better, one of the replies:

Its a hard pill to swallow but the reality is we need the *******s that tried to kill us as much as they need us.

The only way to fix the game here in Scotland is to create a level playing field financially. Nothing else will save the game. Of we dont then you can look forward to Celtic winning 10 or more in a row followed by us trying to do the same. While this is going on the others who are just making up the numbers will continue to contract, merge and disappear.

How many fans came from the highlands on saturday? It aint going to get any better unless they have a chance of winning trophies.

I actually think it might be too late now anyway with most of these clubs lucky to draw 3,000 fans at home.

I understand and share in the anger we feel for these clubs that tried to kill us but there's no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face.

They are totally madly deluded - they weren't killed by other clubs, they were liquidated and a new club was formed. I find it utterly laughable, after the exploits of the old Rangers FC, for a fan of the newco to now talk about creating a level playing field.

This clown obviously forgot as well that Ross County won the League Cup last year.

[Onion]

Jeez the new clubs got a bigger chip on it's shoulder than the now defunct Glasgow rangers. All that separates them is the new boys have less of somebody else's money to play with

... forgetting the old Rangers won a few more titles and cups. If you went to an antique shop and bought a 1966 WC Winners medal, you can't claim to be a World Cup Winner :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

... forgetting the old Rangers won a few more titles and cups. If you went to an antique shop and bought a 1966 WC Winners medal, you can't claim to be a World Cup Winner :greengrin
Aye that too[emoji106]

Even if we all now know those trophies were tainted by financial doping. Where have I heard that before

[Ozyhibby]

Jim Traynor talking about Celtic. Not yesterday. Made me chuckle.
https://twitter.com/gibbygibbo1/status/828073679087099904



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[Hibernia&Alba]

The rangers online forum is rife with paranoia and delusions. A full thread suggesting that celtic have paid the SFA to cheat for them and that theirs a whole big conspiracy against rangers. Using money to cheat their way to winning? Oh Rangers if only you could see the irony!

Their victim card was hilarious at first then it became pathetic and desperate and now its just plain boring tbh. They simply can't get their tiny, bigoted wee minds around the fact that THEY cheated for years and therefore they got exactly what they deserved.

They can't stand Celtic lording it over them atm, as much as they hate to admit it, celtic are absolutely miles ahead of them and 10 in a row is a very real possibility as The Rangers wont be within touching distance of them anytime soon. It wouldn't surprise me if the huns ended up breaking the bank again as they desperately try to stop 10 in a row from happening.

The seethe, the foaming at the mouth hatred, the paranoia and the utter delusion is rife. You really have to see it to believe it so if your in need of a genuine laugh out loud then do check out their forum. The hurt is oh so very real!

:top marks

They are deranged, but we all knew that.

[KeithTheHibby]

Hey everyone, we're neglecting the Sevco thread!

This, from FF, is so good I don't even know where to begin ... :greengrin:wink:

That is simply magnificent.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hey everyone, we're neglecting the Sevco thread!

This, from FF, is so good I don't even know where to begin ... :greengrin:wink:

That's got to be an undercover Celtc fan :greengrin

[grunt]

Celtic announce profits of £18m from six months trading to 31 December 2016. Wow.

[northstandhibby]

It gets even better, one of the replies:

Its a hard pill to swallow but the reality is we need the *******s that tried to kill us as much as they need us.

The only way to fix the game here in Scotland is to create a level playing field financially. Nothing else will save the game. Of we dont then you can look forward to Celtic winning 10 or more in a row followed by us trying to do the same. While this is going on the others who are just making up the numbers will continue to contract, merge and disappear.

How many fans came from the highlands on saturday? It aint going to get any better unless they have a chance of winning trophies.

I actually think it might be too late now anyway with most of these clubs lucky to draw 3,000 fans at home.

I understand and share in the anger we feel for these clubs that tried to kill us but there's no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face.

They are totally madly deluded - they weren't killed by other clubs, they were liquidated and a new club was formed. I find it utterly laughable, after the exploits of the old Rangers FC, for a fan of the newco to now talk about creating a level playing field.

This clown obviously forgot as well that Ross County won the League Cup last year.




The ironyl.

The new huns whining of Celtic's dominance. :greengrin

Just when one thinks they've heard it all a hun comes out with this pile of comedy gold. No fan of Celtic but they have been managed so very well by their board for many a year now.

Did anyone miss the huns when their newco was placed into the lowest tier? I don't think so and on that basis I would suggest the huns do one and disappear to any league out-with Scotland as soon as they like. If there was a poll by fans out-with Celtic and newco of which club was the most hated and wished to disappear i'm quite certain it would be the new huns.

glory glory

glory glory

[Ozyhibby]

While I enjoy the irony of this coming from Sevconians, doesn't mean I don't agree with it. The game in Scotland would benefit from a salary cap set up.


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[Ozyhibby]

Celtic announce profits of £18m from six months trading to 31 December 2016. Wow.

Their profit is about the same as Sevco's turnover. [emoji23]


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[hibsbollah]

While I enjoy the irony of this coming from Sevconians, doesn't mean I don't agree with it. The game in Scotland would benefit from a salary cap set up.


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Absolutely right. Even a stopped hun clock tells the right time twice a day.

wow. 50 guests on this thread :lolrangers:

[Bostonhibby]

Their profit is about the same as Sevco's turnover. [emoji23]


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Celtc haven't got a war chest or over investment though. You need them to get players like sendhimoff and to fund krancjaers pension break.

[HoboHarry]

While I enjoy the irony of this coming from Sevconians, doesn't mean I don't agree with it. The game in Scotland would benefit from a salary cap set up.


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Tell us how the quality of football would improve given that every player and his dog would leave Scotland even quicker than they already do now? And how would curtailing Celtics ability to compete in Europe help our game nationally?

[tamig]

Tell us how the quality of football would improve given that every player and his dog would leave Scotland even quicker than they already do now? And how would curtailing Celtics ability to compete in Europe help our game nationally?

Exactly. It's just not feasible. Far too many questions to be asked on that topic. Huge can of worms imo.

[Ozyhibby]

Tell us how the quality of football would improve given that every player and his dog would leave Scotland even quicker than they already do now? And how would curtailing Celtics ability to compete in Europe help our game nationally?

Set the salary cap at £6m per team per year and who would leave apart from Celtic or Sevco players?


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[HoboHarry]

Set the salary cap at £6m per team per year and who would leave apart from Celtic or Sevco players?


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Then I have no idea of what you are on about. Pointless exercise and would achieve nothing.

[ancient hibee]

The ironyl.

The new huns whining of Celtic's dominance. :greengrin

Just when one thinks they've heard it all a hun comes out with this pile of comedy gold. No fan of Celtic but they have been managed so very well by their board for many a year now.

Did anyone miss the huns when their newco was placed into the lowest tier? I don't think so and on that basis I would suggest the huns do one and disappear to any league out-with Scotland as soon as they like. If there was a poll by fans out-with Celtic and newco of which club was the most hated and wished to disappear i'm quite certain it would be the new huns.

glory glory

glory glory

suppose it depends what you mean by many a year.Celtic were an hour from going bust when Fergus finally engineered the deal to rescue them.

[Ozyhibby]

Then I have no idea of what you are on about. Pointless exercise and would achieve nothing.

You don't think Celtic only being able to spend £6m on wages per annum might make the league more competitive?


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[WhileTheChief..]

Why £6m??

If I support Hamilton or Ross Co I'd rather there was a cap of £1m.

Anything more than that and i'll never get to see my team win the league. Actually, make it £500k, give us all a chance.

It's no fair.

[Ozyhibby]

Why £6m??

If I support Hamilton or Ross Co I'd rather there was a cap of £1m.

Anything more than that and i'll never get to see my team win the league. Actually, make it £500k, give us all a chance.

It's no fair.

I just picked the figure out the air. In leagues where this happens it's the subject of negotiation among the clubs.


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[matty_f]

There's a thought that having one 'super' team in the league may be better than having two teams competing at the top.

If and when Celtc pull away from the rest of us it will become very apparent very quickly to The Rangers that they simply cannot compete with them.

There is no point spending millions trying to catch Celtc, so The Rangers' ambitions change. They can still outspend the rest of the league but actually they're not able to attract players that are significantly better, and instead spend over-inflated wages to players who aren't that much better than the rest of the teams, who spend better and get better value.

Celtc, comfortable that they can spend and attract players to play in the Champions League become more capable of competing in the groups and as such help the coefficient, which in turns helps the now more competitive chasing pack reach a little further in the Europa league.

There starts to be more trickle down of cash as a result, the league becomes more attractive to TV companies because the matches are competitive and the upward spiral continues to rejuvenate Scottish football .

And we all live happily ever after. :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Discussions between clubs? That'll never catch on here!!

I don't see any fault with Celtic on this. It's up to the rest of us to do whatever we can to try and catch them.

We've all rightly been pleased with the rise in our crowds the last couple of years. That allowed us to sign McGinn and Cummings on decent contracts.

If Dumbarton or QoTS suggested a wage cap closer to theirs would we accept it? Nah, we enjoy the advantages of being the bigger club.

More fans means more cash means better players means more fans means......

It's the way it should be.

Rangers are just greetin now cause they can't buy their titles anymore.

[northstandhibby]

suppose it depends what you mean by many a year.Celtic were an hour from going bust when Fergus finally engineered the deal to rescue them.

I was more referring to the last ten years or so, should have clarified that. :thumbsup:

glory glory

[ancient hibee]

I was more referring to the last ten years or so, should have clarified that. :thumbsup:

glory glory
When you get to my age ten years ,ten minutes,they're all the same:greengrin

[Michael]

Wage caps are a bit difficult to do fairly. Would be interesting if there was a max number of registered players of say 23 with at least 5 being scottish U21 and a max of 5 non Scottish players. In your match squad you have to start at least 3 U21 players.

Something like that would hopefully mean teams have a fair balance, and the player reg limitations would deter OF signing players from other clubs only to never play them.

[Deansy]

The ironyl.

The new huns whining of Celtic's dominance. :greengrin

Just when one thinks they've heard it all a hun comes out with this pile of comedy gold. No fan of Celtic but they have been managed so very well by their board for many a year now.

Did anyone miss the huns when their newco was placed into the lowest tier? I don't think so and on that basis I would suggest the huns do one and disappear to any league out-with Scotland as soon as they like. If there was a poll by fans out-with Celtic and newco of which club was the most hated and wished to disappear i'm quite certain it would be the new huns.

glory glory

glory glory

More or less proved in 2012 when all the supporters-polls sent a clear message to their own chairmen exactly what would happen if the SFA/Regan etc got their way of keeping them in the SPL - think the lowest figure against them was 80%.

Both old and new versions of the Hun have proved a constant embarrassment to the game and Scottish Society in general with their 'Stuck-in-the 17th-Century' mindset (with no intention whatsoever of leaving it !) - only natural every decent person wants shot of them.

[HoboHarry]

There's a thought that having one 'super' team in the league may be better than having two teams competing at the top.

If and when Celtc pull away from the rest of us it will become very apparent very quickly to The Rangers that they simply cannot compete with them.

There is no point spending millions trying to catch Celtc, so The Rangers' ambitions change. They can still outspend the rest of the league but actually they're not able to attract players that are significantly better, and instead spend over-inflated wages to players who aren't that much better than the rest of the teams, who spend better and get better value.

Celtc, comfortable that they can spend and attract players to play in the Champions League become more capable of competing in the groups and as such help the coefficient, which in turns helps the now more competitive chasing pack reach a little further in the Europa league.

There starts to be more trickle down of cash as a result, the league becomes more attractive to TV companies because the matches are competitive and the upward spiral continues to rejuvenate Scottish football .

And we all live happily ever after. :greengrin
You beat me to it. In response to Ozhibby's suggestion that a wage cap would make the league more competitive, I was going to make the analogy of watching the winner of a a marathon winning by one mile as opposed to a mile and a half.

[ancient hibee]

I've no time for Celtic either with their chasing of the Irish market.

[Hibernia&Alba]

More or less proved in 2012 when all the supporters-polls sent a clear message to their own chairmen exactly what would happen if the SFA/Regan etc got their way of keeping them in the SPL - think the lowest figure against them was 80%.

Both old and new versions of the Hun have proved a constant embarrassment to the game and Scottish Society in general with their 'Stuck-in-the 17th-Century' mindset (with no intention whatsoever of leaving it !) - only natural every decent person wants shot of them.


Was it Tom English who described them as 'a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace'?

[Ozyhibby]

Wage caps are a bit difficult to do fairly. Would be interesting if there was a max number of registered players of say 23 with at least 5 being scottish U21 and a max of 5 non Scottish players. In your match squad you have to start at least 3 U21 players.

Something like that would hopefully mean teams have a fair balance, and the player reg limitations would deter OF signing players from other clubs only to never play them.

Here's pretty good explanation of how it works in Australian Rugby League and also why they do it.
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[greenginger]

Are Celtic with their £ 18 million half year profit still charging clubs like Partick Thistle, Hamilton Accies and the like a fee to sell the Celtic allocation at the diddy club's home games.

I seem to remember it being introduced a few years ago and we started selling directly to their supporters.

[Deansy]

Was it Tom English who described them as 'a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace'?

Ian Archer - football-writer. Think he made the statement in an article he'd written ?

[Liberal Hibby]

Wage caps are a bit difficult to do fairly. Would be interesting if there was a max number of registered players of say 23 with at least 5 being scottish U21 and a max of 5 non Scottish players. In your match squad you have to start at least 3 U21 players.

Something like that would hopefully mean teams have a fair balance, and the player reg limitations would deter OF signing players from other clubs only to never play them.

Agree wage caps are difficult to do fairly which is why I like the idea of tradeable caps. These work by allowing clubs to auction off their unused caps to other teams that need to go over theirs.

So say you set the cap at £8m for the premier, £4m for the championship, £2m for league one and two. Clubs would be free to spend up to the cap and buy and sell unused allocation from other teams. So Celtic need £30m (say) so need to find £22m from the other clubs - they do deals with lower premier sides to buy say £3m each from five of them. They may not pay face value for these additional caps and might agree to buy them at 50% (cash strapped clubs may want to sell for a lower amount, there may be a premium as the transfer window comes to a close). They then do the same across the lower leagues to make up the necessary cap amount.

That way Celtic can still compete at the European level - but instead of making half yearly profits of £18m some of this money gets recycled throughout the game through the clubs who sell their caps to the bigger teams.

[majorhibs]

Agree wage caps are difficult to do fairly which is why I like the idea of tradeable caps. These work by allowing clubs to auction off their unused caps to other teams that need to go over theirs.

So say you set the cap at £8m for the premier, £4m for the championship, £2m for league one and two. Clubs would be free to spend up to the cap and buy and sell unused allocation from other teams. So Celtic need £30m (say) so need to find £22m from the other clubs - they do deals with lower premier sides to buy say £3m each from five of them. They may not pay face value for these additional caps and might agree to buy them at 50% (cash strapped clubs may want to sell for a lower amount, there may be a premium as the transfer window comes to a close). They then do the same across the lower leagues to make up the necessary cap amount.

That way Celtic can still compete at the European level - but instead of making half yearly profits of £18m some of this money gets recycled throughout the game through the clubs who sell their caps to the bigger teams.

tic are voting for that tho! zombies wouldnae be in either. Got to remember, this 2 are only interested in theirselves. Anything whatsoever outwith gruesome crooked monopolisers they're no goin near!

[Ozyhibby]

tic are voting for that tho! zombies wouldnae be in either. Got to remember, this 2 are only interested in theirselves. Anything whatsoever outwith gruesome crooked monopolisers they're no goin near!

They are only two clubs though. If the rest of the clubs vote for it it would go through. Without something like this, Celtic will be champions for a very long time.


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[JohnM1875]

Agree wage caps are difficult to do fairly which is why I like the idea of tradeable caps. These work by allowing clubs to auction off their unused caps to other teams that need to go over theirs.

So say you set the cap at £8m for the premier, £4m for the championship, £2m for league one and two. Clubs would be free to spend up to the cap and buy and sell unused allocation from other teams. So Celtic need £30m (say) so need to find £22m from the other clubs - they do deals with lower premier sides to buy say £3m each from five of them. They may not pay face value for these additional caps and might agree to buy them at 50% (cash strapped clubs may want to sell for a lower amount, there may be a premium as the transfer window comes to a close). They then do the same across the lower leagues to make up the necessary cap amount.

That way Celtic can still compete at the European level - but instead of making half yearly profits of £18m some of this money gets recycled throughout the game through the clubs who sell their caps to the bigger teams.

I know these are all ball park figures but come on?! 4 million for the championship and 2 million for league one and two?!

You could have 2 million for the premiership and not go over it! Complete madness!!

[Liberal Hibby]

I know these are all ball park figures but come on?! 4 million for the championship and 2 million for league one and two?!

You could have 2 million for the premiership and not go over it! Complete madness!!

They're purely illustrative - if you were going to go down that road you would need to set figures that meant the big boys (and that would include Hibs in the Championship) would need to buy wage caps from smaller teams. Otherwise the money goes upwards not downwards.

[JohnM1875]

They're purely illustrative - if you were going to go down that road you would need to set figures that meant the big boys (and that would include Hibs in the Championship) would need to buy wage caps from smaller teams. Otherwise the money goes upwards not downwards.

I'd love it, or something similar, coming into effect sooner rather than later and I agree the Scottish games needs something to make it competitive/interesting but I just don't see it happening.

The SFA hardly strike me as trendsetters. And almost every major league in Europe is the same with a few teams dominating the leagues and the lesser teams fighting it out for the cups/lower european places.

[Hibrandenburg]

You don't think Celtic only being able to spend £6m on wages per annum might make the league more competitive?


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It would increase competition within Scotland but destroy quality and every other league in Europe would leave us in the dark ages.

[Ryan69]

It would increase competition within Scotland but destroy quality and every other league in Europe would leave us in the dark ages.

You would think that eventually certain leagues are going togo pop anyway.
As people start to get bored.

As much as the media love to push EPL....Most games are pretty boring.

Would mean we have a step ahead of the pack.

[Ozyhibby]

You would think that eventually certain leagues are going togo pop anyway.
As people start to get bored.

As much as the media love to push EPL....Most games are pretty boring.

Would mean we have a step ahead of the pack.

And people can watch every game for free now so the tv money may not be there forever.


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[CropleyWasGod]

It would increase competition within Scotland but destroy quality and every other league in Europe would leave us in the dark ages.
...which begs the question....

Do we...as Hibs supporters...want to be competitive in a poor league? Or nowhere in a league, of whom 1 or 2 teams do moderately well in Europe?

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[Ozyhibby]

...which begs the question....

Do we...as Hibs supporters...want to be competitive in a poor league? Or nowhere in a league, of whom 1 or 2 teams do moderately well in Europe?

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We are not sure. [emoji23] The same people who would argue against a salary cap will be seen saying 'as soon as the old firm bugger off to England the better'. It's a debate that's never really been done properly.
To me it makes perfect sense because I have seen how well it works in Australia but I realise I'm in the minority and most don't believe it can work here.


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[CropleyWasGod]

We are not sure. [emoji23] The same people who would argue against a salary cap will be seen saying 'as soon as the old firm bugger off to England the better'. It's a debate that's never really been done properly.
To me it makes perfect sense because I have seen how well it works in Australia but I realise I'm in the minority and most don't believe it can work here.


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I'm warming to the idea, but would there not be a legal issue here? Restraint of trade, for example?

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[Billy Whizz]

Wonder why they won't give Kenny Miller a contract?

[Ozyhibby]

I'm warming to the idea, but would there not be a legal issue here? Restraint of trade, for example?

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I don't think so. Professional sport is treated differently in many ways already with the transfer window, financial fair play rules, size of squad restrictions, having to have youth players in the squad, discrimination against females etc.
A genuinely competitive league would be the best thing that could happen to the game here. A two horse race was rubbish but the one horse race we now have will make us an even bigger laughing stock.
The bigger clubs will still have an advantage because they will have better coaches, facilities, nutritionists and the a better academy set up. But there will be scope for Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc to win titles. It would reinvigorate the game.


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[JimBHibees]

Wonder why they won't give Kenny Miller a contract?

Seems incredible if that is the case as he is their best player by a mile. Would take him here in a minute IMO.

[KazaHibs]

Seems incredible if that is the case as he is their best player by a mile. Would take him here in a minute IMO.

Rumour has it he has been approached by us? Anyone shed any light on it

[Betty Boop]

He's going to be player/manager next season. :wink:

[Mr White]

Rumour has it he has been approached by us? Anyone shed any light on it

He could definitely do a job for us.

If we strap him to the front of the east stand roof in august his big shiny napper should scare the sea gulls away.

[lapsedhibee]

Wonder why they won't give Kenny Miller a contract?

Punishment for his Mrs letting the side down in the aftermath of Assaultgate, by telling the truth.

[ancient hibee]

...which begs the question....

Do we...as Hibs supporters...want to be competitive in a poor league? Or nowhere in a league, of whom 1 or 2 teams do moderately well in Europe?

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Don't think that's the choice.Why can't we be one of the teams that does moderately well in Europe?

[HoboHarry]

...which begs the question....

Do we...as Hibs supporters...want to be competitive in a poor league? Or nowhere in a league, of whom 1 or 2 teams do moderately well in Europe?

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I've asked that question for years CWG. Based on some of your other posts you will remember how much fun it was to be winning near every game the last time we were relegated, and it's a good feeling this season (in spite of the normal online hystericals when we concede to Ayr United). Are you looking forward to a (possible) midtable position next year playing Partick, Hamilton etc etc? I know I'm not........

[-Jonesy-]

Meanwhile (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-fan-rage-stars-wear-9770929)

Focus on the real issues at ibrox people!!

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[Smartie]

TBH the first thing I thought when I heard that Barrie McKay had worn green boots was that this SNP/ IRA conspiracy to crush Rangers, The Rangers, their fans, protestantism and their traditions in general must be gathering momentum.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Ironically, it's such opinions which hold the Hun support together. Nasty, paranoid and bigoted pish. The fact it's allowed to remain on the forum is very telling of the mindset of so many of them. They are a poison within society.

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Dear oh ****ing dear :rolleyes: The paranoia and delusion has well and truly taken over now. What a quivering, pathetic mess they are. As I said before, their "everybody is picking on poor rangers, everybody us out to get us" act was funny at first, now it's genuinely worrying.

They are a shell of their former selves, the club they used to be died in more ways than one. Much like the yams, this live within your means business is taking a long time to sink in. They cheated, stole, used corrupt underhand tactics and lived well well beyond what they could afford for years and years in order to win trophies and gain an advantage and superiority over everyone else. They lorded up the glory years then the moment justice finally came around and they were punished for what they did it was suddenly the whole "oh it wasn't us, the big boys did it and ran away, we're the victims etc" routine came out. Always everyone else's fault. How dare the other clubs vote the "mighty rangers" out of the league, how dare they not let "the mighty rangers" go unpunished, how dare they have the audacity to not bend over backwards and let "the mighty rangers" sweep all their seedy doings under he carpet and carry on as if nothing has happened.

The Rangers, much like Hearts, would do well to shut up, show a bit of humility and realise they are damn lucky to even still have a club (even if the huns got a new one :greengrin) after their shameless years of cheating. Instead they are both back, giving it the big un "this heart still beats" and other such crap and basically a huge 2 fingers up to all the creditors they stiffed and the other clubs they cheated.

Outraged by everything, ashamed by nothing.

[grunt]

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Eh? Leeds, Millwall and Chelsea are in three different leagues?

[HoboHarry]

Eh? Leeds, Millwall and Chelsea are in three different leagues?
Ssssshhhhhhhhhhh.........

:greengrin

[silverhibee]

While I enjoy the irony of this coming from Sevconians, doesn't mean I don't agree with it. The game in Scotland would benefit from a salary cap set up.


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Will never happen Ozy and I'm not to sure it would benefit Scottish football either.


How much would you limit the cap at ?

[silverhibee]

Exactly. It's just not feasible. Far too many questions to be asked on that topic. Huge can of worms imo.

:agree:

Clubs would still get round the wage cap by putting other things in to a players contract, will never happen.

[Sergey]

...and the saga continues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38896812

[CropleyWasGod]

...and the saga continues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38896812
Finally.

It's not clear from that report, but IMO this will be about the undervaluing of the assets.



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[HoboHarry]

Is there any possibility at all that BDO would ever consider a claim against the SFA for any involvement they had during the administration period?

[CropleyWasGod]

:agree:

Clubs would still get round the wage cap by putting other things in to a players contract, will never happen.
It's not that difficult TBH. Benefits and perks are generally taxable, so by using the same approach, those "other things " would be part of the capped amount.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Is there any possibility at all that BDO would ever consider a claim against the SFA for any involvement they had during the administration period?
Only if there was a perceived loss to the creditors. Struggling to see one at the moment, but feel free [emoji48]

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[HoboHarry]

Only if there was a perceived loss to the creditors. Struggling to see one at the moment, but feel free [emoji48]

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Balls. I was hoping your superior knowledge would have some startling insight.......:wink:

[Ozyhibby]

:agree:

Clubs would still get round the wage cap by putting other things in to a players contract, will never happen.

Clubs in Australia try it all the time and are always caught and the penalties are severe. There is not a lot a player will accept in lieu of cold hard cash anyway.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

What a spider's web of bad behaviour. Ego, greed and corruption all interwoven into an unseemly shambles.

It's nice :agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

What a spider's web of bad behaviour. Ego, greed and corruption all interwoven into an unseemly shambles.

It's nice :agree:
Isn't this for the fans' rep election thread? 😀

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[Kato]

Is there any possibility at all that BDO would ever consider a claim against the SFA for any involvement they had during the administration period?

The "five way agreement" has been deemed very dodgy in certain circles.

[CropleyWasGod]

The "five way agreement" has been deemed very dodgy in certain circles.
It might be legally, but I can't see how it would affect the creditors.



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Jeez, where do I fit in as a lapsed protestant, now atheist whose had family in "the lodge" - never been a kafflik, who just doesn't like the type of bigot that follows the rangers?

[Smartie]

Jeez, where do I fit in as a lapsed protestant, now atheist whose had family in "the lodge" - never been a kafflik, who just doesn't like the type of bigot that follows the rangers?

I'm in that group too. I think we're the treacherous, turncoat b******s that they hate the most.

Bafflement and indifference on our part winds them up more than the outright hatred they get from the other side, which is a language they understand and can relate to.

[barcahibs]

It would increase competition within Scotland but destroy quality and every other league in Europe would leave us in the dark ages.

I've genuinely never understood that argumemt. Why would we as Hibs fans or as Scottish football fans care what the quality was like elsewhere? Why would anyone care what anyone in Europe thinks of the standard of our football?

Does anyone really lay awake at night worrying about that? FWIW i suspect the people of Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Estonia, and Latvia think about our league about as much as I do about theirs - ie they don't.

[Ozyhibby]

I've genuinely never understood that argumemt. Why would we as Hibs fans or as Scottish football fans care what the quality was like elsewhere? Why would anyone care what anyone in Europe thinks of the standard of our football?

Does anyone really lay awake at night worrying about that? FWIW i suspect the people of Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Estonia, and Latvia think about our league about as much as I do about theirs - ie they don't.

Agree 100%


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[greenginger]

BDO sue Rangers administrators Duff and Phelps for £ 28.9 million for mishandling their insolvency management.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15076064.Rangers_liquidators_sue_administrators_in ___28_9_million_claim/

This will be the same BDO who mishandled the Hearts insolvency by omitting to have an un-connected creditor vote at the CVA meeting and accepted a pittance for the HOMFC assets by selling them to Mrs Budge.

You couldn't make it up ! :confused:

[Sergey]

BDO sue Rangers administrators Duff and Phelps for £ 28.9 million for mishandling their insolvency management.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15076064.Rangers_liquidators_sue_administrators_in ___28_9_million_claim/

This will be the same BDO who mishandled the Hearts insolvency by omitting to have an un-connected creditor vote at the CVA meeting and accepted a pittance for the HOMFC assets by selling them to Mrs Budge.

You couldn't make it up ! :confused:

:agree:

You and I saw this coming though.

Farce.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Jeez, where do I fit in as a lapsed protestant, now atheist whose had family in "the lodge" - never been a kafflik, who just doesn't like the type of bigot that follows the rangers?


I'm in that group too. I think we're the treacherous, turncoat b******s that they hate the most.

Bafflement and indifference on our part winds them up more than the outright hatred they get from the other side, which is a language they understand and can relate to.

Lundys!!:greengrin

They do seem to have a bizarre notion that every Scottish Protestant has a Rangers connection somewhere, as does every Catholic to Celtic. Weird people who wouldn't recognise a Bible if they saw one.

[Bostonhibby]

Lundys!!:greengrin

They do seem to have a bizarre notion that every Scottish Protestant has a Rangers connection somewhere, as does every Catholic to Celtic. Weird people who wouldn't recognise a Bible if they saw one.
Scotlands shame that this behaviour seems to thrive in certain backward looking communities.

[JackLadd]

Administration can't be far away. Accounts said £4m external funding needed to get to end of season, Ashley case in March, roofs effed, unpaid bills including instalment on Garner's fee to Preston. If he wins his case will Big Mike vote for a CVA though?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Administration can't be far away. Accounts said £4m external funding needed to get to end of season, Ashley case in March, roofs effed, unpaid bills including instalment on Garner's fee to Preston. If he wins his case will Big Mike vote for a CVA though?


How much money are Rangers losing at the moment?

[Jack Hackett]

How much money are Rangers losing at the moment?

Given that the 25pt penalty for a 2nd administration within 5 years is about to become spent, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out soon.

Looking at the table though, a 15pt penalty would make any chance of a europa place extremely dodgy, so it may be after the end of the season before they elect to take the hit...a bit like hertz when they declared after the season had closed, to save their premiership status

[Bostonhibby]

Administration can't be far away. Accounts said £4m external funding needed to get to end of season, Ashley case in March, roofs effed, unpaid bills including instalment on Garner's fee to Preston. If he wins his case will Big Mike vote for a CVA though?
Will dodgy Daves warchest finally be opened and a bit of over investment be made to save the rangers from becoming the newly defunct successors of the now defunct Glasgow rangers?

If they do liquidate themselves again will they have to give up that petrofac cup win? Their only cup so it will be a real sore one for them.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Will dodgy Daves warchest finally be opened and a bit of over investment be made to save the rangers from becoming the newly defunct successors of the now defunct Glasgow rangers?

If they do liquidate themselves again will they have to give up that petrofac cup win? Their only cup so it will be a real sore one for them.

Does King actually have any money to invest? You can't believe a word he says.

[Bostonhibby]

Does King actually have any money to invest? You can't believe a word he says.
About as much as Craig White and Cheeky Charlie Green probably. They set the standard, don't actually have to put any cash up, just get the pro hun media convinced you're the Messiah and you're ready to go.

[majorhibs]

About as much as Craig White and Cheeky Charlie Green probably. They set the standard, don't actually have to put any cash up, just get the pro hun media convinced you're the Messiah and you're ready to go.

Hun supportin media probably dont need convincing. Just desperate for ANYTHING, like the orcs, to back up their sense of entitlement as "establishments team". When ye think about it, Bandersons pretty much a carbon copy in the East.

[tamig]

About as much as Craig White and Cheeky Charlie Green probably. They set the standard, don't actually have to put any cash up, just get the pro hun media convinced you're the Messiah and you're ready to go.

I thought that Follow Follow poster said the media were all pro-Celtic though? 😊

[Bostonhibby]

I thought that Follow Follow poster said the media were all pro-Celtic though? 😊
Having read that again I think it's unfair to mock the afflicted, being deranged is bad enough but having a persecution complex and seeming to be a the rangers minded soul is surely a heavy enough cross to bear [emoji6]

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Snowflake.

It's amazing how easily these bigots play the victim card.

'Wah everyone hates us.'

No pal. We hate your behaviour.

[jgl07]

Does King actually have any money to invest? You can't believe a word he says.

Even if he has any money it will be a devil of a job to get it out of South Africa.

Even if he can get the money out, the decline in the conversion rate of the Rand to Sterling will mean it will be very little.

He is, after all, a 'glib and shameless liar'.

[MrSmith]

Jeez, where do I fit in as a lapsed protestant, now atheist whose had family in "the lodge" - never been a kafflik, who just doesn't like the type of bigot that follows the rangers?

I'm in this camp too :)

[JeMeSouviens]

In Hunlogic, Rangers == Protestant.

Therefore if you hate Rangers, you are an anti-Protestant bigot and any pejorative term for a Rangers supporter, eg. Hun, is automatically anti-Protestant bigotry.

Protestants (by background I mean, including myself although I'm an atheist) who hate Rangers really freak them out. :na na:

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/15077930.Mark_Warburton__Random_nature_of_football _has_gone_against_Rangers/

Random? [emoji23]


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[Bostonhibby]

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/15077930.Mark_Warburton__Random_nature_of_football _has_gone_against_Rangers/

Random? [emoji23]


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Yeah, "nature" has randomly worked out theyre a bunch of whining half wits with a motor mouth manager who has a hat that's not magic

[northstandhibby]

In Hunlogic, Rangers == Protestant.

Therefore if you hate Rangers, you are an anti-Protestant bigot and any pejorative term for a Rangers supporter, eg. Hun, is automatically anti-Protestant bigotry.

Protestants (by background I mean, including myself although I'm an atheist) who hate Rangers really freak them out. :na na:

Personally I'm all for moderated liberalism with a live and let live culture. I have no time for bigots yet in Scotland bigoted bile is allowed to be heard being belted out every other week from mostly the rangers fans. I cannot for the life of me understand how on earth the sfa and/or politicians do not take action to stamp out such hatred. It absolutely baffles me how it is quietly tolerated by the authorities.

glory glory

[JeMeSouviens]

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/15077930.Mark_Warburton__Random_nature_of_football _has_gone_against_Rangers/

Random? [emoji23]


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Dead man walking. :cb

The Hun press pack have been unleashed. Game plan pretty obvious, punt Warbs and install the new mug in time for ST sales.

[Deansy]

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/15077930.Mark_Warburton__Random_nature_of_football _has_gone_against_Rangers/

Random? [emoji23]


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Reading that leads me to think the 'hat' is trying to get released from his contract on 'Medical grounds'- load of slavering p**h !

[Smartie]

I remember the first time I heard "the famine song" at Easter Road (it may well have been the first time it was aired anywhere, I'm sure it was a Sunday game).

I am an Edinburgh-born Scottish protestant (in the loosest possible way, I've never been to church other than weddings and funerals) and both my granddads were Rangers fans.

There was a certain irony that there will have been an element amongst their fans who will have woken up at the crack of dawn, got the boat over from Northern Ireland and come to Easter Road to sing "why don't you go home" to me, within a mile or so of both my flat and my birthplace.

[lord bunberry]

How is such a hate filled, bigoted forum like that not closed down?

[Bostonhibby]

How is such a hate filled, bigoted forum like that not closed down?
They really need to all be kept in one place to make it easier to find them for police glasgows crack sectarian hate squad when they finally decide to wake up.

Same as the EEN site for yams who are thicker than the average yam, or just want the chance to communicate with, but never meet like minded deviants

[lord bunberry]

They really need to all be kept in one place to make it easier to find them for police glasgows crack sectarian hate squad when they finally decide to wake up.

Same as the EEN site for yams who are thicker than the average yam, or just want the chance to communicate with, but never meet like minded deviants
I think police glasgows crack sectarian hate squad are regular posters on that forum

[Bostonhibby]

I think police glasgows crack sectarian hate squad are regular posters on that forum
Probably explains why they couldn't find an elephant in a phone box.

[Mr White]

I remember the first time I heard "the famine song" at Easter Road (it may well have been the first time it was aired anywhere, I'm sure it was a Sunday game).

I am an Edinburgh-born Scottish protestant (in the loosest possible way, I've never been to church other than weddings and funerals) and both my granddads were Rangers fans.

There was a certain irony that there will have been an element amongst their fans who will have woken up at the crack of dawn, got the boat over from Northern Ireland and come to Easter Road to sing "why don't you go home" to me, within a mile or so of both my flat and my birthplace.

:top marks

[Bostonhibby]

I remember the first time I heard "the famine song" at Easter Road (it may well have been the first time it was aired anywhere, I'm sure it was a Sunday game).

I am an Edinburgh-born Scottish protestant (in the loosest possible way, I've never been to church other than weddings and funerals) and both my granddads were Rangers fans.

[B]There was a certain irony that there will have been an element amongst their fans who will have woken up at the crack of dawn, got the boat over from Northern Ireland and come to Easter Road to sing "why don't you go home" to me, within a mile or so of both my flat and my birthplace.

/B]

:agree: Brought to mind the irony of an occasion many years ago when I went to Love Street to see George Best play for us against St Mirren. We were involved in a bit of a discussion with a hun in the Wee Howf bar before the game, he had the Guy in a wig on a prancing pony tattoo and 1690 underneath it.

It started going wrong when he insisted that George was a "papist barsteward" and as part of the wider debate was adamant that the battle of the Boyne was fought in Holland and it saved Scotland from being ruled by catholics. As they say, if you know your history.

[Hibernia&Alba]

/B]
[/B]
:agree: Brought to mind the irony of an occasion many years ago when I went to Love Street to see George Best play for us against St Mirren. We were involved in a bit of a discussion with a hun in the Wee Howf bar before the game, he had the Guy in a wig on a prancing pony tattoo and 1690 underneath it.

It started going wrong when he insisted that George was a "papist barsteward" and as part of the wider debate was adamant that the battle of the Boyne was fought in Holland and it saved Scotland from being ruled by catholics. As they say, if you know your history.

:lolrangers:

They're a parody of themselves. Who needs satire?

[beensaidbefore]

Personally I'm all for moderated liberalism with a live and let live culture. I have no time for bigots yet in Scotland bigoted bile is allowed to be heard being belted out every other week from mostly the rangers fans. I cannot for the life of me understand how on earth the sfa and/or politicians do not take action to stamp out such hatred. It absolutely baffles me how it is quietly tolerated by the authorities.

glory glory

They're not going to come down hard on themselves are they. Rotten to the core.

[Bostonhibby]

[emoji38]rangers:

They're a parody of themselves. Who needs satire?
Is a parody a dyslexic proddy?

[HoboHarry]

Is a parody a dyslexic proddy?
You what talking are about?

:greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is a parody a dyslexic proddy?

:top marks

[vincipernoi]

ask them what date the battle of the boyne was - they're usually convinced it was the 12 July (hint - it wasnae)

[Bostonhibby]

You what talking are about?

:greengrin

aretheweepeepul

[Bostonhibby]

ask them what date the battle of the boyne was - they're usually convinced it was the 12 July (hint - it wasnae)

Surely everyone knows all about the Battling Boings? Here they are.

18033

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/beea70e6f38ff2c8a1ccb5e4e0c5e07e.jpg

Looks like the word has gone out to the press to try force him to walk away. He won't survive back pages like that for long. The board know they can't sell season tickets with him still in charge. They need him out but can't afford a pay off.


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[lord bunberry]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/beea70e6f38ff2c8a1ccb5e4e0c5e07e.jpg

Looks like the word has gone out to the press to try force him to walk away. He won't survive back pages like that for long. The board know they can't sell season tickets with him still in charge. They need him out but can't afford a pay off.


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You would have to clinically insane to even consider taking that job.

[jodjam]

You would have to clinically insane to even consider taking that job.

Step forward Terry Butcher

[northstandhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/beea70e6f38ff2c8a1ccb5e4e0c5e07e.jpg

Looks like the word has gone out to the press to try force him to walk away. He won't survive back pages like that for long. The board know they can't sell season tickets with him still in charge. They need him out but can't afford a pay off.


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Level 5 knives out for Warby. I think it was inevitable once we showed the world his magic hat was akin to the fairytale by Hans Christian Anderson the Emperor's New Clothes. It just took the knuckledragging huns a bit longer to realise he had no magic hat. In saying that they sent him out to challenge Sellick in absence of the promised £30 million warchest by the board to the gullibillies so he had no magic wand either. The board have now issued Level 5 to get rid of Warby and his Emperor's new clothes before the gullibillies storm the building in search of the board who duped them.

glory glory

[Bostonhibby]

Step forward Terry Butcher
Brilliant if he ended up there but unfortunately Mrs B is apparently not keen on their "traditions" or the way they choose to display them

[jodjam]

Brilliant if he ended up there but unfortunately Mrs B is apparently not keen on their "traditions" or the way they choose to display them

Aye that's true and wont happen but in a weird way it would give me some closure on the whole time that man was with us.

[Bostonhibby]

Aye that's true and wont happen but in a weird way it would give me some closure on the whole time that man was with us.

Shame as there are a number of similarities between him and the soon to be unemployed warbler.

[surreyhibbie]

I'm in that group too. I think we're the treacherous, turncoat b******s that they hate the most.

Bafflement and indifference on our part winds them up more than the outright hatred they get from the other side, which is a language they understand and can relate to.

I met a Rangers fan in Aldershot when I lived there. The look of disbelief when I said I wasn't a Catholic stopped him dead. He literally stood with his mouth open and just looked at me in amazement.

Eventually he said "but how can you support Hibs?"

He genuinely had trouble understanding. Never really spoke to me again, which was no great loss to be fair....

Also met a guy at a wedding a few years ago, when I mentioned going to the Weege to see football he said "To see the Glasgow Rangers I presume?" and when I said I supported hibs, the look of disgust on his face was comical. Went quiet for 10 minutes then started telling me (crap) jokes about the Pope.

I said I wasn't a Catholic and he just stared at me. That was the end of all conversation that night.

They just equate football with religion as a way of life, I really dont understand it myself...

[Bostonhibby]

I met a Rangers fan in Aldershot when I lived there. The look of disbelief when I said I wasn't a Catholic stopped him dead. He literally stood with his mouth open and just looked at me in amazement.

Eventually he said "but how can you support Hibs?"

He genuinely had trouble understanding. Never really spoke to me again, which was no great loss to be fair....

Also met a guy at a wedding a few years ago, when I mentioned going to the Weege to see football he said "To see the Glasgow Rangers I presume?" and when I said I supported hibs, the look of disgust on his face was comical. Went quiet for 10 minutes then started telling me (crap) jokes about the Pope.

I said I wasn't a Catholic and he just stared at me. That was the end of all conversation that night.

They just equate football with religion as a way of life, I really dont understand it myself...
I once turned up at a contract tendering meeting in Glasgow - quite a few people there and before it all started I bumped into a guy I'd met before who was a hun. He openly said to his colleague that we'd be no threat as we were just "hibbies up against the big boys".

Quite a few baffled looks since I was actually working self employed for the people who he had been invited to tender to! He wasn't successful and sat through a very uncomfortable process, especially when question time arrived [emoji6]

Bellicose bellends.

[sadtom]

I reckon MW will be desperately searching for the 'invisibility' function on his 'magic hat'.

[greenginger]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/558997/rangers-hate-mob-driving-defender-rob-kiernan-out-of-ibrox/

And its not just the manager who has been fingered.

[Betty Boop]

Shame as there are a number of similarities between him and the soon to be unemployed warbler.

Such as ?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Such as ?

Both useless

[Bostonhibby]

Such as ?
Both talk a lot and their mouth is usually significantly ahead of their brain.

And neither has a working magic hat

[tamig]

I once turned up at a contract tendering meeting in Glasgow - quite a few people there and before it all started I bumped into a guy I'd met before who was a hun. He openly said to his colleague that we'd be no threat as we were just "hibbies up against the big boys".

Quite a few baffled looks since I was actually working self employed for the people who he had been invited to tender to! He wasn't successful and sat through a very uncomfortable process, especially when question time arrived [emoji6]

Bellicose bellends.

That's a great story. Hope you gave him a roasting. Love it 😅

[Bostonhibby]

That's a great story. Hope you gave him a roasting. Love it 😅
Of course, I tried to remain as professional about it as he was. Still bumped into him from time to time up until a couple of years ago.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Frank MParland apparently close to quitting TheRangers due to frustrations with budget constraints according to the Sun.

[JackLadd]

The BDO action on Duff and Phelps for gratuitous alienation of assets could be the final coffin nail if the claim succeeds. Will put another material uncertainty in the Sevco accounts, and cause any party considering soft loans to rethink. Could be the whole lot goes under the hammer and the proceeds given to BDO. Who would think a 5m deal that quickly raised 22m via an IPO and was valued at 60m in the first set of accounts had any whiff about it. Sevco looks a doomed enterprise to me. The autopsy will reveal multiple causes of death.

[CropleyWasGod]

The BDO action on Duff and Phelps for gratuitous alienation of assets could be the final coffin nail if the claim succeeds. Will put another material uncertainty in the Sevco accounts, and cause any party considering soft loans to rethink. Could be the whole lot goes under the hammer and the proceeds given to BDO. Who would think a 5m deal that quickly raised 22m via an IPO and was valued at 60m in the first set of accounts had any whiff about it. Sevco looks a doomed enterprise to me. The autopsy will reveal multiple causes of death.
Can't see that the BDO action will have any effect on the Rangers accounts, or their financial situation.

The claim is against D&P. If it succeeds, it will probably be met by their PII.

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[Ozyhibby]

The BDO action on Duff and Phelps for gratuitous alienation of assets could be the final coffin nail if the claim succeeds. Will put another material uncertainty in the Sevco accounts, and cause any party considering soft loans to rethink. Could be the whole lot goes under the hammer and the proceeds given to BDO. Who would think a 5m deal that quickly raised 22m via an IPO and was valued at 60m in the first set of accounts had any whiff about it. Sevco looks a doomed enterprise to me. The autopsy will reveal multiple causes of death.

I doubt it will have any consequences for new Rangers.


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