Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Phil D. Rolls]

Yes, while there might be some decent Huns who want to do what is morally right, I think the majority now want to go to Division 3 as a means of punishing the rest of Scottish Football for daring to try to punish them. Donkeycaster and his chums actually believe that the SPL will meet its maker if the Huns go to Division 3. So it would be an absolute nightmare for them if Green walked away and some bampot like Brown took over. They could make Scottish football authorities look even more 5hite than then already do Can you imagine the SFL voting for the SPL Division 1 plan only to have the Huns tell them to shove it - they want to go to Division 3.

FWIW I think fears that Scottish football would die without the Huns are as well founded as the Millenium Bug panic - ie pure bollox.

:agree: Trying to think of a precedent, but the game would definitely go on. Rangers have been putting me off football for years, as has the complicity of the football authorities and media. I really think if all clubs think they have a possibility of seriously competing then crowds will go up.

[PatHead]

Love the date of the SFL vote. Could be the best ever 12th July!

[s.a.m]

Love the date of the SFL vote. Could be the best ever 12th July!

Maybe we should have some sort of procession to commemorate it :dunno:

With musical instruments, and the like?

[snooky]

:agree: Trying to think of a precedent, but the game would definitely go on. Rangers have been putting me off football for years, as has the complicity of the football authorities and media. I really think if all clubs think they have a possibility of seriously competing then crowds will go up.

I agree with FR, I think attendances will go up, maybe not to fully compensate for the absent RFC support but substantially to make a difference.

Re. the propaganda machine.
All the one-sided calcs are related to the money lost to the game if there's no Rangers.
What about ...
a) the money lost to the game if Dungcaster's plan is adopted and (say) 50% of fans walk away.
b) the surge in interest in going to see your own team have a chance of winning something.
c) the amount of people that don't go to football because of the old firm
d) the possibility of actually having neutral refereeing when there's no 'fixed agenda' to adhere to
e) the camaraderie generated between grass roots supporters from Div3 to the SPL who want to see fair play

[lapsedhibee]

I don't think it's been mentioned in the 500 odd pages so far, but the extent of hunlove at administrator prick level in the SFA, SPL and SFL has been so mindboggling that I am seriously contemplating the possibility that Jack Regan was right all along. And that every disputed throw in, corner kick, handball and offside decision that he used to list during every Greatest Game In The World for the last twenty years was, indeed, corruptly awarded. I and many other .netters scoffed at him at the time, but it wouldn't now surprise me he if he was absolutely correct, and that what we saw as Celtc paranoia was in fact the pure honest truth.

[calmac12000]

Thread over on Samaritans.com says Brown has come charging in with the cavalry with this - http://www.football365.com/spl/78626...ite-flag-Brown. The natives are creaming themselves over it and to a man want Brown to lead them into Division3. We're kind of singing from the same hymn book aren't we.

I sincerely hope not, Brown(a gentleman not reknowned for his deep thinking or analysis) is simply the cheerleader forMordor, he wishes to put "Rangers men" A.K.A. Protestants of a somewhat fundamental and intolerant variety, in charge of the club. Then tops this off by blatantly playing the sectarian card by heaping the blame on Peter Lawell and Celtic, for renaging on some sort of "understanding". Much as I have little time for Peter Lawall or Celtic to engage in this charectaristic form of obfusgation is unfortunately all too common from those who claim to be standing up for the Huns and their supporters.

[PaulC]

I agree with FR, I think attendances will go up, maybe not to fully compensate for the absent RFC support but substantially to make a difference.

Re. the propaganda machine.
All the one-sided calcs are related to the money lost to the game if there's no Rangers.
What about ...
a) the money lost to the game if Dungcaster's plan is adopted and (say) 50% of fans walk away.
b) the surge in interest in going to see your own team have a chance of winning something.
c) the amount of people that don't go to football because of the old firm
d) the possibility of actually having neutral refereeing when there's no 'fixed agenda' to adhere to
e) the camaraderie generated between grass roots supporters from Div3 to the SPL who want to see fair play


Great post - totally agree with this and I hope the SPL and SFL chairmen start thinking bigger than preserving some form of status quo. (or this has come into their thinking already - time to be brave and vote for a new era)

[Brando7]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18699838

Hold it together n do the right this is all we ask

[down-the-slope]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18699838

Hold it together n do the right this is all we ask

:agree: was just reading that..if any truth...they had better not fold or game is busted.....

[calmac12000]

I've listed many reasons for taking strong action against Rangers but at an emotional level what really grates me about all the Hun love appearing in the media, is the total lack of comment about the sectarianism of their fans.
A significant amount of whom think it is perfectly acceptable to congregate every fortnight to spew sectarian filth and when they travel abroad embarrass Scotland on the European stage(and that's before we get to their football!).
Should it not be a condition of any new application, that there support do not engage in systematic and quite blatant sectarianism.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I don't think it's been mentioned in the 500 odd pages so far, but the extent of hunlove at administrator prick level in the SFA, SPL and SFL has been so mindboggling that I am seriously contemplating the possibility that Jack Regan was right all along. And that every disputed throw in, corner kick, handball and offside decision that he used to list during every Greatest Game In The World for the last twenty years was, indeed, corruptly awarded. I and many other .netters scoffed at him at the time, but it wouldn't now surprise me he if he was absolutely correct, and that what we saw as Celtc paranoia was in fact the pure honest truth.

I don't think anyone can doubt now that the game has been about the struggle between these two clubs for years. Paranoia is an ugly thing to see, but let's face it - if they can rig the game to ensure that no-one else has a look in, then it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Sellick have been the victims of, er, victimisation.

They don't help themselves with nonsense like what followed the SF against the Yams, and it is easy to say "get lost you mad muthas". However - just because you are paranoid.........etc

I think that Celtic should drop this nonsense about the rest of us being against them. After all, have we not done what they can't - dealt with their tormentors. Surely they can see now that it isn't them versus a protestant conspiracy, and adapt the principle of fair play and decency adopted by their founding fathers?

I also wonder if there is a real possibility now that people will finally acknowledge the flatness of our planet, and stop this nonsense about Santa. It's time for change.

[matty_f]

I've listed many reasons for taking strong action against Rangers but at an emotional level what really grates me about all the Hun love appearing in the media, is the total lack of comment about the sectarianism of their fans.
A significant amount of whom think it is perfectly acceptable to congregate every fortnight to spew sectarian filth and when they travel abroad embarrass Scotland on the European stage(and that's before we get to their football!).
Should it not be a condition of any new application, that there support do not engage in systematic and quite blatant sectarianism.

The sectarianism can't and shouldn't come into it as it clouds the issue.
Stick to the facts and punish/deal with accordingly. Rangers should be treated fairly, not better or worse than anyone else should/would be.
That's why it has to be a no vote tomorrow and an application to join division 3.

[Hibbyradge]

I actually agree with Traynor, that Rangers have been punished enough, and the titles and trophies that they won by cheating should not be stripped from them.

This should also apply to people like Dora Ratjen, a German high jumper who competed in the womens event in the 1936 Olympics when she was, in fact, a man. A man called Herman. Surely getting caught is enough punishement. I bet she, I mean he got a right slagging from her mates after that.

Ben Johnson too, should have his Olympic 100 metres medal restored because the humiliation he's suffered since he was caught scoffing illegal steroids is surely punishment enough.

The Spanish Paralympian Basketball team, who, in the 2000 Olympics weren't actually disabled in any way at all, should also have their crown restored. It's just the years of jealousy and hatred that have gone against them.

Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Diegio Maradona and his hand of god.

Hmmm...but that's different, isn't it.

Isn't it?

[GreenCastle]

:BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate." Taken from that BBC article.

Surely they won't postpone the vote tomorrow - the vote tomorrow is simple and should take place.

I still think Celtic staying quiet is a disgrace - I know if I was one of their fans I would be urging my board to make our vote plans public - they are obviously scared of the consequences either way :rolleyes:

[Emerald]

I actually agree with Traynor, that Rangers have been punished enough, and the titles and trophies that they won by cheating should not be stripped from them.

This should also apply to people like Dora Ratjen, a German high jumper who competed in the womens event in the 1936 Olympics when she was, in fact, a man. A man called Herman. Surely getting caught is enough punishement. I bet she, I mean he got a right slagging from her mates after that.

Ben Johnson too, should have his Olympic 100 metres medal restored because the humiliation he's suffered since he was caught scoffing illegal steroids is surely punishment enough.

The Spanish Paralympian Basketball team, who, in the 2000 Olympics weren't actually disabled in any way at all, should also have their crown restored. It's just the years of jealousy and hatred that have gone against them.

Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Diegio Maradona and his hand of god.

Hmmm...but that's different, isn't it.

Isn't it?

The difference is Dora only won the title by a baw hair :aok:

[matty_f]

The difference is Dora only won the title by a baw hair :aok:

:faf:

[Hibbyradge]

The difference is Dora only won the title by a baw hair :aok:

:thumbsup:

Good one!

(S)he didn't actually win at all, but s(he) it was good for my analogy.

[ScottB]

:BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate." Taken from that BBC article.

Surely they won't postpone the vote tomorrow - the vote tomorrow is simple and should take place.

I still think Celtic staying quiet is a disgrace - I know if I was one of their fans I would be urging my board to make our vote plans public - they are obviously scared of the consequences either way :rolleyes:

That would be utter madness.

8 clubs have publicly said they will vote No, so what possible reason is there to delay? Therefore delaying would be seen as trying to go back on their word, which could cause utter bedlam.

Apart from anything else, we are barely 4 weeks from season start. This decision has been out off long enough, clubs across the country, not just those facing possible promotion need to set budgets and sort out squads. The lot of them need their heads smashed together if they try and delay again.

Frankly, delaying would be treated by many, me included, as something of a delayed yes; 'we want you in but we need to find a good excuse first' situation.

[Hibrandenburg]

I actually agree with Traynor, that Rangers have been punished enough, and the titles and trophies that they won by cheating should not be stripped from them.

This should also apply to people like Dora Ratjen, a German high jumper who competed in the womens event in the 1936 Olympics when she was, in fact, a man. A man called Herman. Surely getting caught is enough punishement. I bet she, I mean he got a right slagging from her mates after that.

Ben Johnson too, should have his Olympic 100 metres medal restored because the humiliation he's suffered since he was caught scoffing illegal steroids is surely punishment enough.

The Spanish Paralympian Basketball team, who, in the 2000 Olympics weren't actually disabled in any way at all, should also have their crown restored. It's just the years of jealousy and hatred that have gone against them.

Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Diegio Maradona and his hand of god.

Hmmm...but that's different, isn't it.

Isn't it?
Yes, very different. With the exception of Maradona's hand of god, all the other incidents were premeditated attempts at deception that were planned and executed with the intention of cheating. Maradona made a reflex decision without having the benefit of time to think through the consequences of his actions.

Massive difference.

[Hibrandenburg]

the difference is dora only won the title by a baw hair :aok:

pmsl

[GreenCastle]

That would be utter madness.

8 clubs have publicly said they will vote No, so what possible reason is there to delay? Therefore delaying would be seen as trying to go back on their word, which could cause utter bedlam.

Apart from anything else, we are barely 4 weeks from season start. This decision has been out off long enough, clubs across the country, not just those facing possible promotion need to set budgets and sort out squads. The lot of them need their heads smashed together if they try and delay again.

Frankly, delaying would be treated by many, me included, as something of a delayed yes; 'we want you in but we need to find a good excuse first' situation.

Exactly :agree: The new season is fast approaching.

Think about when all this Rangers mess unfolded and think where we are now.

Then think about all the stories and damage to the game since then.

The vote surely has to take place tomorrow - the SFL vote should then take place the next day but they are going for next week ? :confused:

[Emerald]

:nanasplit:
pmsl

[Hibbyradge]

Yes, very different. With the exception of Maradona's hand of god, all the other incidents were premeditated attempts at deception that were planned and executed with the intention of cheating. Maradona made a reflex decision without having the benefit of time to think through the consequences of his actions.

Massive difference.

So it's ok to adulate spontaneous cheats, just not ones who take time to plan?

Don't get me wrong, I think Maradona was a magnificent player, but isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in actively celebrating his handball against England and moaning about cheating in football?

I recall many on here were raging when Thierry Henry handled against Ireland. not much difference there.

In truth, my Maradona remarks was only made as food for thought as I don't think it stands the comparison, but still, it's interesting how we're ok with cheating if it suits us, whilst we're all supposed to be big on Sporting Integrity.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

:BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate." Taken from that BBC article.

Surely they won't postpone the vote tomorrow - the vote tomorrow is simple and should take place.

I still think Celtic staying quiet is a disgrace - I know if I was one of their fans I would be urging my board to make our vote plans public - they are obviously scared of the consequences either way :rolleyes:

Surely if the SPL vote doesn't go ahead there is nowt for the SFL clubs to vote on.

[GreenCastle]

Surely if the SPL vote doesn't go ahead there is nowt for the SFL clubs to vote on.

That was my first thought. We are less than 24 hours from finding out - and hopefully who voted yes or no will be made public - OR it will be leaked somehow.

[Hibrandenburg]

So it's ok to adulate spontaneous cheats, just not ones who take time to plan?

Don't get me wrong, I think Maradona was a magnificent player, but isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in actively celebrating his handball against England and moaning about cheating in football?

I recall many on here were raging when Thierry Henry handled against Ireland. not much difference there.

In truth, my Maradona remarks was only made as food for thought as I don't think it stands the comparison, but still, it's interesting how we're ok with cheating if it suits us, whilst we're all supposed to be big on Sporting Integrity.

Not saying that Dave. Just pointing out the flaw in your thesis. We've all made spur of the moment decisions that we regret afterwards and spur of the moment decisions that were positive. It's human nature and part of our fight or flight instinct that is imperative to survival. However to spend time schemeing how to rip someone off is another kettle of fish and deserves to be treated more seriously.

Just my opinion of course but I'd wager most legal systems would corroborate it when dishing out punishment.

[Hibbyradge]

Not saying that Dave. Just pointing out the flaw in your thesis. We've all made spur of the moment decisions that we regret afterwards and spur of the moment decisions that were positive. It's human nature and part of our fight or flight instinct that is imperative to survival. However to spend time schemeing how to rip someone off is another kettle of fish and deserves to be treated more seriously.

Just my opinion of course but I'd wager most legal systems would corroborate it when dishing out punishment.

I agree, of course.

My point was questioning the hypocrisy of the adulation of cheating in certain circumstances, rather than comparing the various acts.

"Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them."

Anyway, hey ho. Division 3 for the huns, please!

[greenginger]

I can see no sense whatsoever in postponing the SPL vote. What would be the alternative if the SFL votes them into Div 3, keep them in the SPl ?

That is a non-starter which even Reagan stated today, no doubt having been suitably warned by EUFA. Get the vote taken then allow the SFL time to come to their own decision.

[Hibercelona]

I can see no sense whatsoever in postponing the SPL vote. What would be the alternative if the SFL votes them into Div 3, keep them in the SPl ?

Thats what concerns me. Why else would they be waiting?

If this occurs which I have a horrible feeling in my gut about, i'll never attend another Scottish football match anywhere ever again.

[Hibrandenburg]

I agree, of course.

My point was questioning the hypocrisy of the adulation of cheating in certain circumstances, rather than comparing the various acts.

"Mind you, Scotland has a history of forgiving cheats, sometimes even bestowing absolute adulation upon them."

Anyway, hey ho. Division 3 for the huns, please!

See your point and I think it could be grouped together with the old chestnut "one mans freedom fighter is another man's terrorist". Still doesn't make it right though.

[jamesjamieson]

No secret ballot, no postponements. Let's get the vote done tomorrow (later on today) and let the fans know exactly which way every club voted.

[dchibs]

Its surely not a normal negotating practise to sabotage your own side before any negotiations take place. This is surely precisely what Donkey Doncaster is doing with all his "the end of the world is nigh" garbage. I am extremely reluctant ever to see anyone loss their livelihood, but I would heartily suggest Mr. Doncaster urgently consider his position. Before it becomes untennable.

Total ass,

[Lungo--Drom]

I agree with you RLH. I agree wholeheartedly. I don't even drink Pepsi-Max anymore so I can't blame my latent paranoia ;)


I don't think it's been mentioned in the 500 odd pages so far, but the extent of hunlove at administrator prick level in the SFA, SPL and SFL has been so mindboggling that I am seriously contemplating the possibility that Jack Regan was right all along. And that every disputed throw in, corner kick, handball and offside decision that he used to list during every Greatest Game In The World for the last twenty years was, indeed, corruptly awarded. I and many other .netters scoffed at him at the time, but it wouldn't now surprise me he if he was absolutely correct, and that what we saw as Celtc paranoia was in fact the pure honest truth.

[Lungo--Drom]

Unless the Police and the SFA train special counsellors who are fluent in Orc by sending them on a course entitled "Explaining Social Mores To Your Average Jabba" then your very logical and fair suggestion is sadly doomed :(


I've listed many reasons for taking strong action against Rangers but at an emotional level what really grates me about all the Hun love appearing in the media, is the total lack of comment about the sectarianism of their fans.
A significant amount of whom think it is perfectly acceptable to congregate every fortnight to spew sectarian filth and when they travel abroad embarrass Scotland on the European stage(and that's before we get to their football!).
Should it not be a condition of any new application, that there support do not engage in systematic and quite blatant sectarianism.

[Lungo--Drom]

Late night meetings? Dungcaster's trouser knees must be worn out by now. Gad the thought.... :O


That would be utter madness.

8 clubs have publicly said they will vote No, so what possible reason is there to delay? Therefore delaying would be seen as trying to go back on their word, which could cause utter bedlam.

Apart from anything else, we are barely 4 weeks from season start. This decision has been out off long enough, clubs across the country, not just those facing possible promotion need to set budgets and sort out squads. The lot of them need their heads smashed together if they try and delay again.

Frankly, delaying would be treated by many, me included, as something of a delayed yes; 'we want you in but we need to find a good excuse first' situation.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Late night meetings? Dungcaster's trouser knees must be worn out by now. Gad the thought.... :O


His trouser leg was rolled up :wink:

[Spike Mandela]

Thats what concerns me. Why else would they be waiting?

If this occurs which I have a horrible feeling in my gut about, i'll never attend another Scottish football match anywhere ever again.

Irrespective of whether they vote tomorrow or not you can rest assured that no matter the result they will be hatching a plot to minimise the impact it has on Rangers and themselves. Farcical. Nobody is prepared tp make a decision and stick to it.

[1875godsgift]

:BBC Scotland understands that some involved in the conference call - between the 11 SPL clubs, excluding Rangers - are pressing for their own vote to be postponed to allow the lower league clubs to make a decision on Rangers' fate." Taken from that BBC article.

Surely they won't postpone the vote tomorrow - the vote tomorrow is simple and should take place.

I still think Celtic staying quiet is a disgrace - I know if I was one of their fans I would be urging my board to make our vote plans public - they are obviously scared of the consequences either way :rolleyes:

It is simple - vote them out the SPL.

SFL clubs then bar them from entering SFL1. Seb.Coe then have to apply for admission to SFL3.

Doncaster is sweating though. His high profile, highly paid and cushy job is on the line. I would imagine him, and many others, are feeling threatened by the groundswell of support from fans of clubs who value sporting integrity. Has he ever had any interest in Scottish football before being appointed to this high level post?

Why do we need 3 governing bodies? Surely that equates to 3 wages for each job. Where does the money come from to pay these wages, and more importantly, what aspect of our youth infrastructure suffers as a result? Less coaches, less pitches, less chances for our young players, and at the end of the day a huge amount of useless blazers, predominantly bleating on about how we need a morally and financially bankrupt, cheating, shambles of a football club to sustain our game.

We need one non-corrupt footballing body to oversee the Scottish game. F*** this 11-1 voting bollox, all clubs are equal, regardless of size, rangers only became a force in Scottish football when they started cheating! Any club could do that, fortunately most clubs have more self esteem.

The arrogance and sheer stupidity of charles green, in saying that clubs are only voting against seb.coe because of pressure from their fans, knows no bounds.
Wait a minute charlie, if there were no fans, there would be no club. And I think you'll find there were fans of this club 137 years before you crawled onto the scene, and I'm sure we'll still be about when you slink off with your tail between your legs trying to hide from the knuckle-dragging, foul breathed hordes of Mordor who will be baying for your blood when you realise your cash cow has no teats.

GGTTH

[GORDONSMITH7]

St. Pat's letter to Rod. Wake up amigo.

BIG G

Secretary

St. Patrick's Branch


Glory, Glory.


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[bighairyfaeleith]

Well today is the big day, have to say I am less than confident that we will see the required decisive action by our leaders. Remember and email oor rod this morning and make sure his blackberry is bombarded with people letting him know exactly what we expect of him.

[email protected]

[Gatecrasher]

Well not only is it independence day for the good old US of A, but it's vote day here, does anyone know what time the vote is likely to take place? Also when are the sfl doing their one?

[IWasThere2016]

Well not only is it independence day for the good old US of A, but it's vote day here, does anyone know what time the vote is likely to take place? Also when are the sfl doing their one?

Its Hundependence Day if you believe the hierarchy of our corrupt game!

GET THEM CHEATING TAX DODGING BIGOTS TAE ******!

[Onion]

Well not only is it independence day for the good old US of A, but it's vote day here, does anyone know what time the vote is likely to take place? Also when are the sfl doing their one?

Hundependence Day, as another hibs.netter put it :greengrin

IMHO they will delay making a decision (again) until after the SFL meeting on the 12 July, as they want to be assured that the SFL will place Newco into Div before they vote NO. If the SFL reject the proposal to put them in Div1, then the SPL will do a complete U-Turn and will vote the Huns into the SPL1 - despite the carnage this will cause. They're just too late to set up an SPL2.

We'll see.

[Gatecrasher]

Its Hundependence Day if you believe the hierarchy of our corrupt game!

GET THEM CHEATING TAX DODGING BIGOTS TAE ******!
:thumbsup:

[Gatecrasher]

Hundependence Day, as another hibs.netter put it :greengrin

IMHO they will delay making a decision (again) until after the SFL meeting on the 12 July, as they want to be assured that the SFL will place Newco into Div before they vote NO. If the SFL reject the proposal to put them in Div1, then the SPL will do a complete U-Turn and will vote the Huns into the SPL1 - despite the carnage this will cause. We'll see.
Surely no? :bitchy:

[marinello59]

Hundependence Day, as another hibs.netter put it :greengrin

IMHO they will delay making a decision (again) until after the SFL meeting on the 12 July, as they want to be assured that the SFL will place Newco into Div before they vote NO. If the SFL reject the proposal to put them in Div1, then the SPL will do a complete U-Turn and will vote the Huns into the SPL1 - despite the carnage this will cause. They're just too late to set up an SPL2.

We'll see.

The vote must be taken today. Passing the buck to the SFL would be cowardly and unforgiveable.

[Beefster]

If the *****bag lying *******s delay today's vote, I will more than likely tell Rodders to stick my ST where the sun doesn't shine. I'll take the financial hit.

I'm utterly fed up of those ********s treating us like twats and lying to all and sundry.

[Lucius Apuleius]

I think I will wait and see if they vote and how they vote before getting over excited.

[steakbake]

Hundependence Day, as another hibs.netter put it :greengrin

IMHO they will delay making a decision (again) until after the SFL meeting on the 12 July, as they want to be assured that the SFL will place Newco into Div before they vote NO. If the SFL reject the proposal to put them in Div1, then the SPL will do a complete U-Turn and will vote the Huns into the SPL1 - despite the carnage this will cause. They're just too late to set up an SPL2.

We'll see.

This is what I think will happen. It's a way of forcing the SFL to accept Sevco5088 and would be a complete abdication of responsibility by the "leaders" of our professional game.

[Matty_Jack04]

The vote must be taken today. Passing the buck to the SFL would be cowardly and unforgiveable.

Correct if it's delayed today then we've been lied too, our chairmen and 7 others have made it known publicly that today will see a no vote, this meeting should be quicker than the rangers CVA meeting in and out no need for sandwiches at 1pm.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

So will Sevco be 5088ing or smiling today? ;)

[IWasThere2016]

31 days to ko, and we've no idea what's happening. No leadership/vision in our game. What an embarrassment!

[Barney McGrew]

Smart money is on yet another delay.

They'll try and continue the game of pass the parcel between them and the SFL.

[Jack]

The more delays the less chance of them getting in anywhere, which I think is the best result.

The longer it goes on there's less chance clubs in division 1 could be prepared in time and even less chance those in division 3 could.

Let the meetings rumble on, the sandwiches are ace :-)

[steakbake]

The more delays the less chance of them getting in anywhere, which I think is the best result.

The longer it goes on there's less chance clubs in division 1 could be prepared in time and even less chance those in division 3 could.

Let the meetings rumble on, the sandwiches are ace :-)

But it does give the SPL justification to allow sevco back in, on the pretext that "theyve got to play somewhere and the SFL wouldn't play ball".

[Saorsa]

The vote must be taken today. Passing the buck to the SFL would be cowardly and unforgiveable.But unsurprising. Were any of them really voting NO or were the voting NO IF?....




...IF they could bully the SFL clubs in tae puting them in tae division 1. I guess we'll find out today whether there was any sort genuineness about it or if it'll be another one in the eye for 'sporting integrity :rolleyes: ' no that there's any integrity left with any of these people now any way. If they dae the right thing now it'll be because they've been forced in tae it.

[grunt]

Douglas Fraser‏@BBCDouglsFraserNeil Doncaster tells #bbcradio4today (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23bbcradio4today) "huge damage to other clubs if #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) go into 3rd division". Health of other clubs must be uppermost

[Saorsa]

Douglas Fraser‏@BBCDouglsFraserNeil Doncaster tells #bbcradio4today (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23bbcradio4today) "huge damage to other clubs if #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) go into 3rd division". Health of other clubs must be uppermostdoncaster can go and throw *****e at himself then wash it off by lying in a bath of his ain pish.

[lapsedhibee]

Douglas Fraser‏@BBCDouglsFraserNeil Doncaster tells #bbcradio4today (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23bbcradio4today) "huge damage to other clubs if #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) go into 3rd division". Health of other clubs must be uppermost

Is that bloke just deeply, deeply thick? :dunno:

[Barney McGrew]

Douglas Fraser‏@BBCDouglsFraserNeil Doncaster tells #bbcradio4today (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23bbcradio4today) "huge damage to other clubs if #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) go into 3rd division". Health of other clubs must be uppermost

The pro-hun media campaign is in full swing this morning then......The Sun leading with 'SPL Armageddon - Eight clubs facing doom if newco is dumped in Div3', Daily Record with 'Rangers in Crisis - fans would rather see their club go bust than Newco in SPL'

How on earth do they get away with this pish? It's blatant scaremongering and sabre rattling on behalf of Rangers :grr:

[Mon Dieu4]

Douglas Fraser‏@BBCDouglsFraserNeil Doncaster tells #bbcradio4today (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23bbcradio4today) "huge damage to other clubs if #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) go into 3rd division". Health of other clubs must be uppermost

Doncaster is a puppet

1 there are no rangers any more

2 the other SFL teams seem to do quite well without them

he likes to scaremonger about the unknown, who knows what will happen to the other clubs, his next ploy will be if Rangers don't get in aliens will invade!!

[Hibrandenburg]

Surely they won't vote against the currents with Hun number 1 in town to whip up support?

[stokesmessiah]

Anyone else think we are going to end this day feeling deeply disappointed?

[grunt]

How on earth do they get away with this pish? It's blatant scaremongering and sabre rattling on behalf of Rangers :grr:This is what I don't get. Doncaster is CEO of the SPL. The SPL has a vote today on whether to accept the transfer of Rangers SPL share to NewCo, and it is expected that 7 SPL clubs will oppose the transfer. So NewCo will not have an SPL share.

It's none of Doncaster's business what happens to NewCo. It is outside of his remit.

[marinello59]

doncaster can go and throw *****e at himself then wash it off by lying in a bath of his ain pish.

i was just about to post that Doncaster should be the first to resign when the dust has settled on all this. You have put it so much better than I would have though. :greengrin

[Saorsa]

i was just about to post that Doncaster should be the first to resign when the dust has settled on all this. You have put it so much better than I would have though. :greengrin:greengrin

[ChilliEater]

doncaster can go and throw *****e at himself then wash it off by lying in a bath of his ain pish.

:top marks:hilarious

[Gatecrasher]

i was just about to post that Doncaster should be the first to resign when the dust has settled on all this. You have put it so much better than I would have though. :greengrin
DD definately has away with words :hilarious

[Smiler1981]

If the *****bag lying *******s delay today's vote, I will more than likely tell Rodders to stick my ST where the sun doesn't shine. I'll take the financial hit.

I'm utterly fed up of those ********s treating us like twats and lying to all and sundry.

My feelings exactly.

[John_the_angus_hibby]

Just so I can say at least I added my voice. Just sent.

Dear Rod,

Firstly I understand your responsibilities as a director of Hibernian FC. I am also a director of company and held previous board level positions.

However, I must add my voice to those calling on you to keep this simple. Your club's support - customers - are almost unanimous in their view that Rangers must not be allowed to have the license passed to the NewCo. However there is also the same, even stronger view due the perceived lack of equity and fairness, that Rangers/NewCo must follow existing rules and have to start from the bottom without any favoured status which seems to be the demand from themselves and Doncaster et al.

You may be trying to use the situation for, on paper, good reasons including leverage to bring about league restructuring and mitigate financial impact on more exposed clubs. I am sorry but that boat has sailed and Chairman must now reflect their clubs fan base as anything other than a clear and simple result following the existing rules will be treated with absolute contempt and the threats of mass fans leaving the game or following SFL clubs will happen.

Keep it simple. There are existing rules, follow them.

[LancsHibs]

Fatty Foulks just been on Sky talking common sense and speaking out against 'NewCo Huns'. Has he laid of the source??:hmmm:

[Matty_Jack04]

@BBCjsutherland: Neil Doncaster on Rangers into Div 3: "Not viable."

[Mon Dieu4]

Fatty Foulks just been on Sky talking common sense and speaking out against 'NewCo Huns'. Has he laid of the source??:hmmm:

Its 8.20 he has only managed 3 bottles, if they had interviewed him at 10 would have been a different story

[Mon Dieu4]

@BBCjsutherland: Neil Doncaster on Rangers into Div 3: "Not viable."

In that case i will choose the rangers playing in no league at all option please

[McSwanky]

@BBCjsutherland: Neil Doncaster on Rangers into Div 3: "Not viable."

**** off, Doncaster. If it's that bad then Scottish football was knackered well before Rangers went tits up.

[joe breezy]

@BBCjsutherland: Neil Doncaster on Rangers into Div 3: "Not viable."

This man must resign

[Phil D. Rolls]

The more delays the less chance of them getting in anywhere, which I think is the best result.

The longer it goes on there's less chance clubs in division 1 could be prepared in time and even less chance those in division 3 could.

Let the meetings rumble on, the sandwiches are ace :-)

Or thrown out of anywhere? :agree:

[Steve20]

Rangers will start again in Division 3. No other way the votes will go.

People who want them out of all leagues forever are going a bit far, imo.

[Saorsa]

i was just about to post that Doncaster should be the first to resign when the dust has settled on all this. You have put it so much better than I would have though. :greengrinAnd Petrie efter him as one of those responsible for appointing the prick.

Another fine appointment by Petrie :rolleyes: and unsurprisingly one of the others responsible was ex hun, Bain.

[s.a.m]

Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRamanJust spoken to an SPL chairman who says an adjournment on vote on Rangers newco ''is highly probable'' today. Adding.
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
...''I don't believe an SPL vote will take place before the SFL vote next week''
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
When asked if it should be the other way around ie SPL clubs should vote first the reply was ''that's the big debate...'' adding
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
''The possibility of creating an SPL 2 is also likely to be discussed today''

[McSwanky]

Rangers will start again in Division 3. No other way the votes will go.

People who want them out of all leagues forever are going a bit far, imo.

Nobody's throwing anyone out. Rangers are dead. This is a new team. They should apply for a place in div 3. I have no problem if the teams in the SFL vote them in there though, as that would be following the rules.

[McSwanky]

Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRamanJust spoken to an SPL chairman who says an adjournment on vote on Rangers newco ''is highly probable'' today. Adding.
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
...''I don't believe an SPL vote will take place before the SFL vote next week''
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
When asked if it should be the other way around ie SPL clubs should vote first the reply was ''that's the big debate...'' adding
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
''The possibility of creating an SPL 2 is also likely to be discussed today''

So Scottish football is pretty much dead then.

[Saorsa]

Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRamanJust spoken to an SPL chairman who says an adjournment on vote on Rangers newco ''is highly probable'' today. Adding.
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
...''I don't believe an SPL vote will take place before the SFL vote next week''
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
When asked if it should be the other way around ie SPL clubs should vote first the reply was ''that's the big debate...'' adding
Raman Bhardwaj‏@STVRaman
''The possibility of creating an SPL 2 is also likely to be discussed today''It's what you'd expect from such a bunch of chicken hearted, lily livered cowards and shysters. Will they surprise us? Dinnae haud yer breath.

[lapsedhibee]

Nobody's throwing anyone out. Rangers are dead. This is a new team. They should apply for a place in div 3. I have no problem if the teams in the SFL vote them in there though, as that would be following the rules. Have they even applied for that yet though? :dunno: The season's just about to start. I think they'll be out for the year. :greengrin

[SneakersO'Toole]

At what point will UEFA or FIFA actually step in and start holding people accountable for this farce?

A delay in the vote today will cause bedlam within the ranks of the fans.

[s.a.m]

Ross Dunbar‏@rossdunbar93@STVGrant (http://www.hibs.net/#!/STVGrant) Neil Doncaster said it is either SPL with sanctions, or First Division.

[rcarter1]

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http://live-blog.uk.msn.com/Event/Higgs_boson_announcement

Scottish football chiefs believe they have captured the elusive "Huns Boson" that gives football gravitas and holds the physical fabric of Scottish football together.

• The historic announcement came in a progress report from the SPL/SFL/SFA, authors of the £16 million "Big Bang" hypothesis which warns of the collapse of Scottish Football - should the Huns Boson not be protected at all costs.

• Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the Scottish Premier League, said: "It's a momentous day for Rangers."

[John_the_angus_hibby]

Ross Dunbar‏@rossdunbar93@STVGrant (http://www.hibs.net/#!/STVGrant) Neil Doncaster said it is either SPL with sanctions, or First Division.

Doncaster = prick


Sent from another universe!

[Steve20]

Nobody's throwing anyone out. Rangers are dead. This is a new team. They should apply for a place in div 3. I have no problem if the teams in the SFL vote them in there though, as that would be following the rules.

Rangers are not dead, don't kid yourself. I'm not getting involved in that part, anyway. It's about where they end up. They should be in Division 3 and will be.

[Alan62]

Having read Neil Doncaster's opinion this morning from an interview he gave to Radio 5 Live, you have to say that if the SPL clubs reject the Sevco application (which they should) then Doncaster's position is completely untenable. His resignation would have to follow.

If the rules are going to be reinvented just to suit Rangers then there is no point in having rules. Frankly, if Sevco doesn't qualify for the third division either then I think we just have to accept that Rangers are, indeed, dead and work out how Scottish Football moves on without them. Mr Doncaster has nailed his colours firmly to the mast. He wants to maintain the Old Firm stranglehold on the league and their dominance of the cup competitions. He clearly doesn't particularly mind that they've shafted their creditors and cheated for years. And he also doesn't care that the majority of fans of EVERY other club in Scotland say that they do not want to see rule breaking to accommodate a very dodgy looking company that has bought Rangers' assets in highly controversial circumstances. Our voice doesn't count. Money is all that he values.

I think either he goes or we go. I'm not quite ready to give up watching Scottish Football so I think it's only right that we keep up our pressure on our Club to do the right thing.

[Gatecrasher]

Doncaster can GTF

[StevieC]

Douglas Fraser‏@BBCDouglsFraserNeil Doncaster tells #bbcradio4today (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23bbcradio4today) "huge damage to other clubs if #Rangers (http://www.hibs.net/#!/search/%23Rangers) go into 3rd division". Health of other clubs must be uppermost

This will be the "health" that other clubs have decided isn't uppermost, as they are voting NO.

:rolleyes:

[StevieC]

I think either he goes or we go.

I'm already making my way to the cloakroom to get my jacket .. the DJ is going to have to put a pretty good song on for me to consider turning back and staying a bit longer.

[lapsedhibee]

Just looked up "craven" in the dictionary and, sure enough, there's a picture of Donkey "Neil" Doncaster.

[down-the-slope]

I am divided here...

On the one hand I want the vote to happen and the first part of natural justice to be applied..

However - delays are not good for Sevco 5088...more uncertainty to if / when / where they might play next season will crush their income streams...the Audi's deal and lack of ST renewals being signs of that...the longer it goes on the more they will struggle to reform.....

However the longer there is no conclusion to the overall issue the deeper the potential harm to the wider game...

Its a difficult one but what no one seems to be saying is that there WILL be damage to the game for a number of years...and the fall out could ripple out for some time WHICH ever outcome we find. The game is going to face financial challenges and we will need a different model financially for the game to emerge out the other side..youth development / reserve league :rolleyes: and seeing clubs signed the finished article will become a thing of the past as we need to grow players and take risks on unknowns.....

[Jim44]

So Scottish football is pretty much dead then.

At best it is totally meaningless. I'm cheesed off with the whole carry on. I'm getting to the stage where I wish FIFA and UEFA would come along and shut up shop and throw away the keys. Why they are standing back allowing this complete circus to drift on and on defeats me. I think Scottish football is bringing the game into disrepute.

[JeMeSouviens]

Neil Doncaster: "Not viable."

FTFY. :rolleyes:

[Brightside]

Its looking more and more like the end of Scottish football. Its been coming for years. This was a real chance to change the way football is run in this country from the ground up. Yes teams may have folded, but that means they should fold as they are obviously living beyond their means. You cant have a product which builds itself around 2 single players. Ignore all this sevco pish, if Rangers do end up in the SPL (1 or 2) then ive had it with so called scottish professional football. Its rotten to the core and the SPL and SFA have killed it. Football in this country is a joke, and the camels back is broken.

[matty_f]

The spl clubs have said which way they'll vote, why adjourn. What happens to Rangers after the vote is something they will all just have to deal with.
This is shaping up to be the biggest stitch-up in Scottish football's history. Those responsible must be forced out the game.
What an utter shambles. Not one of the game's leaders is emerging from this with any semblance of integrity or reputation intact.

[bawheid]

If Neil Doncaster's head is not on a stick above Hampden Park by the end of this sorry saga then something will have gone badly wrong.

Get him tae ****!!!!!!!

[degenerated]

At best it is totally meaningless. I'm cheesed off with the whole carry on. I'm getting to the stage where I wish FIFA and UEFA would come along and shut up shop and throw away the keys. Why they are standing back allowing this complete circus to drift on and on defeats me. I think Scottish football is bringing the game into disrepute.

It's the actions of a Doncaster & regan that are bringing the game into disrepute. They're using the media in way goebells would have been proud of to help them do it as well.

[degenerated]

The spl clubs have said which way they'll vote, why adjourn. What happens to Rangers after the vote is something they will all just have to deal with.
This is shaping up to be the biggest stitch-up in Scottish football's history. Those responsible must be forced out the game.
What an utter shambles. Not one of the game's leaders is emerging from this with any semblance of integrity or reputation intact.

The only people that will be forced out are those, like a large number of us here, that perhaps naively put some stock in unfashionable and outdated values such as the Corinthian spirit.

[JimBHibees]

The spl clubs have said which way they'll vote, why adjourn. What happens to Rangers after the vote is something they will all just have to deal with.
This is shaping up to be the biggest stitch-up in Scottish football's history. Those responsible must be forced out the game.
What an utter shambles. Not one of the game's leaders is emerging from this with any semblance of integrity or reputation intact.

Completely agree the secret meetings and blatant lying that has been allowed to come out of this whole process is incredible. It to me has all the hallmarks of Celtc with a few weasel clubs bottling it. The silence from Celtc says it all to me and they are power brokers behind the scene stirring it as much as possible. It is up to our club and others to stand up to the extortion and threats and get this sorted once and for all. There is no reason for a delay in todays vote and it should go ahead. As the Hibs statement of last week said we intend to vote No and if that vote is carried then it is for other bodies to decide their fate. What has changed for that not to be the case now?

In which other country apart from Scotland would a team who has blatantly cheated be getting treated much more favourably than any other? Absolutely as bent as it comes.

[IWasThere2016]

Its the end of the world as we know it.

Back to the Juniors and a few more trips to the EPL/SFL for me.

[Saorsa]

I'm already making my way to the cloakroom to get my jacket .. the DJ is going to have to put a pretty good song on for me to consider turning back and staying a bit longer.:agree:

[Kojock]

Ross Dunbar‏@rossdunbar93@STVGrant (http://www.hibs.net/#!/STVGrant) Neil Doncaster said it is either SPL with sanctions, or First Division.

If thats the case then after 47yrs of following Hibs and spending thousands of pounds in the process, Im afraid Im out. Theres no point anymore.

[blackpoolhibs]

If thats the case then after 47yrs of following Hibs and spending thousands of pounds in the process, Im afraid Im out. Theres no point anymore.

Me too pal, it looks like belgium on the 18th could be my last game watching Hibs?:boo hoo:

[1875 NO 1]

Ross Dunbar‏@rossdunbar93@STVGrant (http://www.hibs.net/#!/STVGrant) Neil Doncaster said it is either SPL with sanctions, or First Division.
Noty sure how he can deliver that when its the individual clubs decide via a vote

[bythecringe]

I heard Doncaster spraffing this morning on 5 live radio. It seems clear that no vote will be taken at the SPL meeting on Sevco until the SPL know which way the SFL will swing. Hopefully when the SFL meet (can't remember when their next meeting has been called) they will also defer their vote until the SPL position is clear. After all, the SFL vote would be unnecessary if Sevco are voted into SPL. This would drag out the sorry episode until either it is too late for Sevco to join any league or until the SPL have to take a decision. Now that would be a red letter day but don't hold your breath.

[Aldo]

The rats continue to desert that continuing sinking ship that is HMRC Newco with Naismith signing a new 4 year deal at Toffees and fleck off tae Coventry

[SneakersO'Toole]

If SPL chairmen delay the vote today, what message does that send out?

To the SFL, it is basically saying "here you go, its our problem but we don't have the guts to go through with it so you can deal with it".

To the fans, it tells me we have been lied, cheated and basically our views have put last in the pecking order when it comes to any decision.

I've got one foot out the door of ER. There had better be some incisive decision making made very soon or I'll be locking the door behind me for good. I actually can't believe it has come to this. Gobsmacked and disgusted.

[blackpoolhibs]

Noty sure how he can deliver that when its the individual clubs decide via a vote

His constant brain washing of people is ridiculous, he's flouted every rule in the book, yet nobody seems to be asking why or how he can get away with this?

This is corruption right in front of everyone's eyes.

[JimBHibees]

His constant brain washing of people is ridiculous, he's flouted every rule in the book, yet nobody seems to be asking why or how he can get away with this?

This is corruption right in front of everyone's eyes.

You can only start to assume that he is carrying out the wishes of the SPL clubs if his apparently ridiculous comments are not checked in any way.

[LancsHibs]

Today when the meeting commences there should be call for a vote of no confiedence on this Doncaster clown and he should be told to GTF then the business can be concluded that everybody has attended for!!

[Jim44]

You can only start to assume that he is carrying out the wishes of the SPL clubs if his apparently ridiculous comments are not checked in any way.

Exactly. Donncaster is the villain of the peace but the other weaklings are letting him rule the roost.

[Aldo]

I find it hard to comprehend why they've not just been punted already. Livi dumped Div 3... Yes the were in Admin twice... Dundee -25 points
Airdrie... Clydebank

It's when it suits the Suits .. If that makes sense. The SPL Doncaster Regan etc are making a rod for their own backs... In that any other club can turn round and say well look what you did fur Newco. .. 10 point deduction and dropped down to Div 1 (if that happens)

They wouldn't have a leg to stand on should another team go to the wire... Just give us what happened to them. They should be papped ENDOF and then a vote taken by SFL teams to see if they want them in.

[blackpoolhibs]

You can only start to assume that he is carrying out the wishes of the SPL clubs if his apparently ridiculous comments are not checked in any way.

That is true Jim, i'm hoping he is working on his own here, but if the SPL chairmen are behind him, then the game is ****ed completely? They would have lied to us all, and there's no way back for any of them.

[Saorsa]

You can only start to assume that he is carrying out the wishes of the SPL clubs if his apparently ridiculous comments are not checked in any way.Agree, it's also IMO why nothing was said by any of them about that 'piece of work' circulated around the SFL clubs. IMO they were either involved in that or at best tacitly approved of it.

As I said earlier I wonder if any of them were really voting NO or were they voting NO IF?....



...IF they could bully the SFL clubs in tae puting them in tae division 1. I guess we'll find out today whether there was any sort genuineness about it or if it'll be another one in the eye for 'sporting integrity :rolleyes: ' no that there's any integrity left with any of these people now any way. If they dae the right thing now it'll be because they've been forced in tae it.

[1875 NO 1]

Today when the meeting commences there should be call for a vote of no confiedence on this Doncaster clown and he should be told to GTF then the business can be concluded that everybody has attended for!!

We saw of mercer. The spirit of 1990 may need brought back to ged rid of this joker anybody else behind this. Be aware Petrie.

[Kojock]

His constant brain washing of people is ridiculous, he's flouted every rule in the book, yet nobody seems to be asking why or how he can get away with this?

This is corruption right in front of everyone's eyes.

Thats what is totally p!ssing me off. Im not that fussed if Rangers are punished, remember the only punishment so far has been the 10 point deduction (which made no difference whatsoever)

All I ask for is that the rules that are in place are followed and Servco 5088 apply to join the SFL 3. If they do get in then I dont have a problem with that.

As I have said before. STICK TO THE F***ING RULES.

[blackpoolhibs]

Thats what is totally p!ssing me off. Im not that fussed if Rangers are punished, remember the only punishment so far has been the 10 point deduction (which made no difference whatsoever)

All I ask for is that the rules that are in place are followed and Servco 5088 apply to join the SFL 3. If they do get in then I dont have a problem with that.

As I have said before. STICK TO THE F***ING RULES.

Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore? :rolleyes:

[SaudiHibby]

The clubs clearly feel that the fans are uttering empty threats. Time will tell I guess.

[alexedwards]

Heard from reliable source that certain clubs in 1st Division are being offered SPL2 carrots and may take carrot to benefit club if SFL vote no - is there any sporting integrity left anywhere? - we already knew there was little integrity in the SPL but thought the SFL was our only hope however, it looks like Doncaster/Regan are bringing their corruption to a small town near you any time soon - they will corrupt all to save one club.
There would be appear to be only one choice for your average supporter - either leave completely or if you need a football fix follow a non-corrupt SFL club - identities as yet to be confirmed.
Could anyone watch as Newco ran out at Easter Road knowing it's all stitched up and possibly the Hibs CM is ok with this? What would the point be? - going along to watch our team take part in a freak show - if the league your team play in is dead - your team is dead.

[Hibercelona]

Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore? :rolleyes:

Other than our own self dignity, no point at all BPH.

Although, i'm sure after it happens a second time with those cheating tossers, the rules will be quickly amended to ensure that all clubs are treated "fairly" from then on. :rolleyes:

[Gatecrasher]

The clubs clearly feel that the fans are uttering empty threats. Time will tell I guess.
I'd that's the case then they should be worried, thousands of fans deserted Scottish football before this mess if they think crowds won't go down after this they are sadly mistaken.

[PeeKay]

Then again, who gives a toss anymore? :rolleyes::agree:

This is a feeling that I think is spreading and it will damage the game in Scotland no matter what the outcome today.

[1875 NO 1]

Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore? :rolleyes:

SFA are biggest culprit. Livvy, Dundee, Airdrie, Clydebank - plenty examples of teams who went bust or administration.

Rules should have been put in place years ago. Which would have made this Hun issue a non issue. Also, letting this nonsense of diff governing bodies exsist.

[mayo hibee]

The people I feel sorry for are the fans for whom their emotional attachment to hibs, or other non old firm SPL clubs, is too great to walk away. A third of voters in the poll on this thread have said they are willing to be royally rogered by Regan, Donkey and their own clubs and will still spend their hard earned cash on this crap.

Many of us can and will walk away. I have other things for doing on a Saturday than supporting this sham league, if it's SPL or SFL1 I won't spend another penny on the Scottish game. But some will still be taken in and will continue to throw good money after bad.

They are relying on, and taking advantage of, your loyalty. Without you they have nothing. If this sham happens it is time to pull the plug.

[AL-Qaholik]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703183

What a fuc£ing joke!

Doncaster GTF ya slimy, corrupt little removed...!

[greenginger]

I'm afraid I'm a bit lost now. If Sevco are applying for the dead Huns SPL share to be transferred to them and that decision is not made today, I can't see how they would or should make an application to join the SFL at whatever level, until it is decided that they are not in the SPL.

How can the SFL clubs be expected to decide where Sevco should play in their set-up before it is decided that they won't be in the SPL.

If the SPL don't vote today the SFL should cancel their meeting planned for next week.

Then Doncaster should be Canceled permanently.

[InchHibby]

Yip thats it for me too, that and the way they have just ignored anyone who's pointed out the laws are in place NOW for this situation.

Allowing this newco into Div 1 sets the rules in stone, the next club to go tits up will be fined, a fine they wont pay. Then allowed to drop/apply whatever you want to call it, into Div 1 with a clean bill of health. How galling will that be if its the yams next?

What was the point in Hibs having years of pish teams and pish football, and getting the debt down, when we could have just went pop, and started again?

Then again, who gives a toss anymore? :rolleyes:

It wont ever happen again like this, the next team will definately be tossed out and told to reapply at the bottom and you will most likely
have to wait your turn for re-entry.
We are, as all are aware, only getting offered concessions now because one of the so called big two have been caught out big time.
Rules for one but not for all.

[Col2]

What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

[Lungo--Drom]

From FollowFollow, 75% of Rangers fans polled said they preferred the club to enter SFL3. So taking this as part of the overall picture it is clear that Dungcaster is only interested in keeping the Huns in the SPL to ensure himself and his fellow board members continue to earn big money. Green at least had the decency to admit on TV that he was in it to earn money as a businessman. It seems that the majority of fans, both in the SPL and the SFL want sporting integrity to come before corrupt cash but those behind the scenes of the SPL and possibly some of the clubs care about the money first. This surely confirms that Scottish football's organisational structure is corrupt and rotten to the core?

Season ticket-holders poll result - 75% prefer
Division 3 option By Grandmaster Suck
Updated Tuesday, 3rd July 2012
Statement issued 03/07/2012

OVER 75 per cent of Rangers fans polled on the
club's future would rather they played in SFL
Division Three next season than accept a
compromise deal for a place in the SPL.

In a survey conducted by the Rangers Fans'
Fighting Fund from the email database of the
club's season ticket holders, the Rangers fans
were asked three questions: (1) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season - with sanctions? 3% (2) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season if there are no sanctions? Just
over 20% or (3) Should Rangers drop into and play from
SFL Division Three next season? Just Under 76% "Every other club and their fan base seems to
have had an opinion of what should happen to
Rangers," said a spokesperson for the RFFF. "That's why we wanted Rangers fans to voice
their opinion - and they have done so. We said
we would publish the findings - and that's what
we are doing. It shows the depth of feeling
among our fans who have shown that they
don't want any favours from the rest of the clubs - or any preferential treatment. What
these Rangers fans are saying is:- If that is what
is to happen to us, then let it happen and let us
move on. We will support Rangers - no matter
where they are playing."

[Brando7]

Doncaster is forgetting the power of voice the fans have as it already been shown in recent weeks, we should all petition for his sacking over this whole saga

[Golden Bear]

What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

:agree:


And ultimately would the Division 3 Clubs have any say on whether or not THEY would want the Ibrokes brethern in their midst?

[ac1]

This is disgusting - even if they did the right thing now and put Sevco in div3 it would leave a bad taste in the mouth.

Followed Hibs all my life but I am on the verge of quitting Scottish football completely.

Very sad it has come to this but the corruption going on here is sickening.

[Spike Mandela]

If the newco doesn't start life in div 3 no blame can be put at the door of Rangers. Scottish football has the chance to do the right thing and if they don't do it they have nobody to blame but theirselves.

Rod Petrie "sporting integrity is beyond purchase". Anything less than div 3 for newco suggests this man can not be trusted.

Delay today is as good as admitting Rangers will be in the SPL, clearly they are waiting to see if the SFL put them in div 1 or not. If the SFL don't do that the SPL will clearly do an about turn and put them in SPL1 or 2.

These chairmen will be proven to be brazen in issuing their "no to newco " declarations whilst all the time plotting for a div 1 return.

These jokers have to vote today or forever be considered weak, untrustworthy and probably lose vast swathes of their support.

[goosefat]

What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

Stop calling me Shirley...

[Hibercelona]

If the newco doesn't start life in div 3 no blame can be put at the door of Rangers. Scottish football has the chance to do the right thing and if they don't do it they have nobody to blame but theirselves.

Rod Petrie "sporting integrity is beyond purchase". Anything less than div 3 for newco suggests this man can not be trusted.

They shouldn't even get instant access into DIV3 though.

Even that would be unfair and against the rules.

[InchHibby]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703183

What a fuc£ing joke!

Doncaster GTF ya slimy, corrupt little removed...!

Doncaster's right, its the other 41 clubs who are causing the problems here, Rangers should be allowed back into
the top flight as being shafted is all we know and we should all be chipping in to pay of their debt in order for them to keep
their History intact, after all they have kept us afloat all these years.:not worth

[blackpoolhibs]

If the newco doesn't start life in div 3 no blame can be put at the door of Rangers. Scottish football has the chance to do the right thing and if they don't do it they have nobody to blame but theirselves.

Rod Petrie "sporting integrity is beyond purchase". Anything less than div 3 for newco suggests this man can not be trusted.

I agree with that, nobody can blame Rangers for fighting for their lives, they want to play at the top table, or as near to that as possible.

Its the people in charge or the game who have muddied the water, with changing and bending of the rules, that are already in place for this exact scenario.

As i said earlier, who gives a toss anyway now?

[Thecat23]

That's it for me, enough is enough. If this gets a delay I'm heading to ER to hand back my season ticket. I no longer want to be part of anything these so called football men have to say or do, including Petrie.

R.I.P Scottish Football.

Ps, all at the SFA/SPL go **** yourself.

[tamig]

From FollowFollow, 75% of Rangers fans polled said they preferred the club to enter SFL3. So taking this as part of the overall picture it is clear that Dungcaster is only interested in keeping the Huns in the SPL to ensure himself and his fellow board members continue to earn big money. Green at least had the decency to admit on TV that he was in it to earn money as a businessman. It seems that the majority of fans, both in the SPL and the SFL want sporting integrity to come before corrupt cash but those behind the scenes of the SPL and possibly some of the clubs care about the money first. This surely confirms that Scottish football's organisational structure is corrupt and rotten to the core?

Season ticket-holders poll result - 75% prefer
Division 3 option By Grandmaster Suck
Updated Tuesday, 3rd July 2012 Rangers RSS Feed http://rangersfansfightingfund.com/ Statement issued 03/07/2012 OVER 75 per cent of Rangers fans polled on the
club's future would rather they played in SFL
Division Three next season than accept a
compromise deal for a place in the SPL. In a survey conducted by the Rangers Fans'
Fighting Fund from the email database of the
club's season ticket holders, the Rangers fans
were asked three questions: (1) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season - with sanctions? 3% (2) Do you want Rangers to play in SFL Division
One next season if there are no sanctions? Just
over 20% or (3) Should Rangers drop into and play from
SFL Division Three next season? Just Under 76% "Every other club and their fan base seems to
have had an opinion of what should happen to
Rangers," said a spokesperson for the RFFF. "That's why we wanted Rangers fans to voice
their opinion - and they have done so. We said
we would publish the findings - and that's what
we are doing. It shows the depth of feeling
among our fans who have shown that they
don't want any favours from the rest of the clubs - or any preferential treatment. What
these Rangers fans are saying is:- If that is what
is to happen to us, then let it happen and let us
move on. We will support Rangers - no matter
where they are playing."
That's a pretty reasonable response from a hun fans spokesman. From these results, it would appear the bulk of their support are of the same opinion as fans of other clubs.
Doncaster is only interested in self preservation - that is abundantly clear. He's got a hard fight on his hands though.

[Lungo--Drom]

http://images.teamtalk.com/12/03/402x210/doncaster_2728947.jpg

[silverhibee]

At what point will UEFA or FIFA actually step in and start holding people accountable for this farce?

A delay in the vote today will cause bedlam within the ranks of the fans.


Was going to post the same about UEFA and FIFA,, maybe now that the Euro's have finished they may now have a wee look to see how things are shaping up in Scotland, time for them to step in and put an end to this circus.

Only in Scotland could this happen eh.

[Spike Mandela]

Comedy legend Eric Sykes died today. RIP. Even he couldn't write a joke as funny as this farce in Scottish football.

[Beefster]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703183

What a fuc£ing joke!

Doncaster GTF ya slimy, corrupt little removed...!

There's a danger that Doncaster becomes the 'boogeyman' of Scottish football because he's the one making the statements on behalf of the SPL and the club chairman get off scot-free. Make no mistake, if the suspected stitch-up happens, Rodders and the rest of the chairmen are just as culpable as Doncaster.

[GreenCastle]

What I can't understand more than anything as part of this shambles is... If SPL clubs don't vote today and pass the buck to SFL clubs who vote on 12th July....how can SFL clubs vote on Newco fate when formally they don't know if SPL would still consider them for SPL from next season. Eg Shirley you have to discount top league first before other divisions?

What would stop te SFL team delaying vote on that basis.

:agree: Total madness if this happens - the SFL should just delay the vote next week also if this happens.

What time is this vote due to happen ?

[Steve-O]

Doncaster is forgetting the power the voice of the fans have as it already been shown in recent weeks, we should all petition for his sacking over this whole saga

Someone needs to start one :agree:

[s.a.m]

I'm in the mood :dancer:for change on a seismic scale, and I'll feel cheated if we end up with a cobbled-together version of the status-quo.

If 8 (The Sun, I think) clubs are on the brink of collapse without Rangers presence in the SPL, then so be it. And I would say that even if we're one of the '8'. It's not the job of the SPL / SFL / SFA to be manipulating the league to accommodate teams who refuse to manage their affairs sensibly. If they go bust, they should sort out their affairs, and start again at the bottom, allowing teams who have run their businesses honestly to take their places. It's not Doncaster's place to be favouring the feckless over clubs which have lived within their means.

[bawheid]

Could we please stop posting pictures of Neil Doncaster up on this thread. My monitor is in danger of being smashed to smithereens.

Thanks.

[Sergio sledge]

There's a danger that Doncaster becomes the 'boogeyman' of Scottish football because he's the one making the statements on behalf of the SPL and the club chairman get off scot-free. Make no mistake, if the suspected stitch-up happens, Rodders and the rest of the chairmen are just as culpable as Doncaster.

Why is Petrie to blame? As far as I can see he has come out and stated that Hibs are ready to vote now and will vote no. If the other 11 clubs decide to delay the vote there is nothing he can do about it.

I think the meaning in the statement last week is clear now that the proposed delay has come out into the open. Someone within the SPL is driving an agenda to delay the vote and lobbying other clubs over it. Hibs have stated they will vote now. I would put money on it being one of the clubs which hasn't declared their vote yet, Celtic would be the most obvious candidate.

There has been one report that Petrie briefed Green on the document released by the SFL, but until we have proof that Rod has been complicit in delaying the vote and trying to push the proposed stitch up we can't blame him surely. Hibs have been consistent in their public pronouncements about sporting integrity and voting no, and they have stated it is up to others to decide once the SPL vote is out of the way.

If the vote is delayed today I would expect and hope that Hibs will issue a statement to re-iterate what they said last week and clarifying that the delay was not their idea or what they wanted.

[H18sry]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/neil-doncaster-should-resign-from-his-post-in-the/

[PatHead]

There's a danger that Doncaster becomes the 'boogeyman' of Scottish football because he's the one making the statements on behalf of the SPL and the club chairman get off scot-free. Make no mistake, if the suspected stitch-up happens, Rodders and the rest of the chairmen are just as culpable as Doncaster.

I drink with a few Celtic supporters and have been critical of their lack of leadership in this saga. Today I sent them this in response to their comments re a delayed vote.

There was always going to be one final big push to keep Rangers in the SPL, lead by Doncaster and the Glasgow based media. Last week I was critical of Hibs for their mealy-mouthed statement. Reading it in the context of the pressure Petrie has been put under I now feel that it was a very good statement.
"the vote should proceed without further delay and that Hibernian FC will vote against the share transfer"
I wish Celtic and Lawell had put out a similar statement. I understand you would all feel that Celtic would be painted as the baddies but you will anyway. You had nothing to lose but chose to have no balls for fear of upsetting your sister club.
I am convinced the vote will take place today. Clubs that have made their statements have too much to lose by doing otherwise. I hope it is a public vote and Celtic have voted for Rangers demotion.
I fear otherwise though with a secret ballot and Celtic's board protecting their interests (dual sponsorships, 2 home Old Firm games, the media interest, attraction to foreign players, league not being over by Christmas and profile that comes with it.) Lawell will vote for Rangers to stay in with penalties. It is likely he is behind this late push to SFL1. If it transpires this is the case I hope all Celtic supporters contact each member of the board- starting with Lawell- and force them to resign.
Rangers have created this mess but Celtic's lack of leadership has exacerbated the situation.

[mayo hibee]

I'd like to believe that Petrie is the good guy, fighting the good fight in the face of intense pressure from all the bad guys around the table. I just don't believe it at this stage though. I think he's in on it as much as the rest of them.

Enough clubs have confirmed their positions as no voters for the vote to take place today. If it doesn't take place, then the stitch up is on.

[Lungo--Drom]

I liked watching 'Sykes' when I was a kid, even if the set was literally made of cardboard. My favourite one was when a neighbour slammed the front door so hard the whole wall of the set wobbled and Sykesy smiled and gave the camera a sideways glance. Classic! It's an unfair world when corrupt no-morals cretins like Dungcaster are still alive & kicking and a comedy classic like Eric Sykes slip this mortal coil.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQy_ceTBtjs


Comedy legend Eric Sykes died today. RIP. Even he couldn't write a joke as funny as this farce in Scottish football.

[Beefster]

Why is Petrie to blame? As far as I can see he has come out and stated that Hibs are ready to vote now and will vote no. If the other 11 clubs decide to delay the vote there is nothing he can do about it.

I think the meaning in the statement last week is clear now that the proposed delay has come out into the open. Someone within the SPL is driving an agenda to delay the vote and lobbying other clubs over it. Hibs have stated they will vote now. I would put money on it being one of the clubs which hasn't declared their vote yet, Celtic would be the most obvious candidate.

There has been one report that Petrie briefed Green on the document released by the SFL, but until we have proof that Rod has been complicit in delaying the vote and trying to push the proposed stitch up we can't blame him surely. Hibs have been consistent in their public pronouncements about sporting integrity and voting no, and they have stated it is up to others to decide once the SPL vote is out of the way.

If the vote is delayed today I would expect and hope that Hibs will issue a statement to re-iterate what they said last week and clarifying that the delay was not their idea or what they wanted.

At least 7 clubs have said they'll vote no but Hibs are the ones standing up for integrity by not wanting the vote delayed now? Rodders is now briefing on documents that have nothing to do with him? Common sense and the balance of probabilities tells you that the likely answer to both are 'no'.

Either way, Doncaster works for Rodders and the rest of the clubs. There's a danger of him becoming a Fred Goodwin-style magnet for all the flak whilst everyone else avoids it. If Hibs come out and say that they didn't want the delay, fine. I suspect that they won't [be able to].

[PatHead]

I'd like to believe that Petrie is the good guy, fighting the good fight in the face of intense pressure from all the bad guys around the table. I just don't believe it at this stage though. I think he's in on it as much as the rest of them.

Enough clubs have confirmed their positions as no voters for the vote to take place today. If it doesn't take place, then the stitch up is on.

As I mentioned in the earlier post I think Petrie has stood up for Newco to be demoted. He may possibly be in the minority (turkeys for Christmas). It will all come down to whether the Chairmen believe if we will walk away.

[calmac12000]

Doncaster's right, its the other 41 clubs who are causing the problems here, Rangers should be allowed back into
the top flight as being shafted is all we know and we should all be chipping in to pay of their debt in order for them to keep
their History intact, after all they have kept us afloat all these years.:not worth

A more prescient post I have never seen, of course we wee diddy clubs only consider our role as an apperitif for the mighty Rangers and why not. I'm sure hundreds if not thousands of like minded fans all across Scotland will be disgusted at being prevented or at least being threatened with exclusion fron next years WWF spectacular Hun love in. After all at least we ken oor place and thats right at the feet of the mighty 'Gers!:na na:

[BSEJVT]

There's a danger that Doncaster becomes the 'boogeyman' of Scottish football because he's the one making the statements on behalf of the SPL and the club chairman get off scot-free. Make no mistake, if the suspected stitch-up happens, Rodders and the rest of the chairmen are just as culpable as Doncaster.

Agree 100%

If he was taking a flyer on this and going his own way he would have been sacked/suspended long ago

[Lungo--Drom]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/neil-doncaster-admits-vote-on-allowing-rangers-back-into-the-spl-could-be-deferred-1-2391579

A DECISION on whether Rangers will be allowed back into the SPL may be postponed, it emerged today.

• SPL clubs could decide to wait until SFL clubs vote on whether Rangers are allowed into the First Division

Scottish Premier League chief executive Neil Doncaster (http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/neil-doncaster-admits-vote-on-allowing-rangers-back-into-the-spl-could-be-deferred-1-2391579#) has given a strong hint that today’s scheduled vote on a newco Rangers admission will be deferred.
Most SPL clubs have confirmed they plan to reject the application from Charles Green’s Sevco consortium amid strong pressure from their own supporters.
But Doncaster has been trying to persuade Scottish Football League clubs to accept the Ibrox club in the Irn-Bru First Division and it appears the SPL clubs will put off a decision until their lower-league colleagues can make things clearer.
Doncaster told Sky Sports News ahead of the meeting: “There may be a decision, there may not be.
“There was a good meeting yesterday with the Scottish Football League, in which the possibility of Rangers going into the second tier of Scottish football was discussed.
“And ultimately, if that option remains in play, that may be a reason to defer the vote today.”

Dungcaster you morally corrupt sack of ****ing **** ******* stinking filth!!!:grr: :fuming: :grr:

:rules:

[Sergio sledge]

At least 7 clubs have said they'll vote no but Hibs are the ones standing up for integrity by not wanting the vote delayed now? Rodders is now briefing on documents that have nothing to do with him? Common sense and the balance of probabilities tells you that the likely answer to both are 'no'.

Either way, Doncaster works for Rodders and the rest of the clubs. There's a danger of him becoming a Fred Goodwin-style magnet for all the flak whilst everyone else avoids it. If Hibs come out and say that they didn't want the delay, fine. I suspect that they won't [be able to].

Hibs have already re-iterated their view: "The Chairman made the point that the vote should proceed without any further delay and that Hibernian FC will vote against the share transfer."

The "breifing" is a strange one, but it is as yet unconfirmed.

I agree with you in general that Doncaster is becoming a scapegoat and others are avoiding flak, but I don't think Petrie is as much to blame as some on here do. The statement issued last week which I have quoted seemed a bit strange at the time, but in light of the news that people are wanting to delay the vote I think that the meaning of the statement issued last week is clear and Hibs intentions are clear.

I may however be totally wrong in all that though.... ;)

[Sergio sledge]

And ultimately, if that option remains in play, that may be a reason to defer the vote today

The only reason to defer the vote is because they know that there are no rules to let the newco into div 1, so they would need an SFL vote to allow that. It looks like this isn't going to happen, but the SPL clubs want the newco in div 1, so may to allow the share transfer to the then immediately relegate the newco as one of the sanctions, there is nothing the SFL can do about it.

[GordonHFC]

I have not seen the answer to this question but apologies if it has been dealt with in previous posts.

Have Celtic supporters come out and confirmed that they will boycott games at Darkhead if their board vote yes to der huns being allowed back into te SPL. They are going to do it to other clubs who vote yes so will they be doing similar to their own club. I doubt it very much.

[Famous_Fifer]

Why dont the non Infirm Clubs resign from the SPL and join the SFL?Leave the Ugly Sisters in a league of their own as they seem to think its their league anyway.They can play each other every week for all i care,Im sure Strathclydes finest and the Monks down in Devon would love that :rolleyes:

[newhibs]

If as expected the SPL decide to put off any decision until after the SFL have met next Thursday,how can the SFL vote when they won't have a vacancy.
Sevco will still be in the SPL and Dundee in the 1st division.

[Newry Hibs]

I thought the SFA said yesterday (about 40 pages ago) that newco wouldn't be allowed in the SPL next season.

[CropleyWasGod]

If as expected the SPL decide to put off any decision until after the SFL have met next Thursday,how can the SFL vote when they won't have a vacancy.
Sevco will still be in the SPL and Dundee in the 1st division.

No :greengrin Sevco want the share transferred to them. It's RFC (IA) that are in the SPL, albeit they don't have any players.

It's like a Kafka novel now....:cb

[Newry Hibs]

From BBC Sport sportsday
1153:
FOOTBALL FIFA threatens Oman with suspension from playing World Cup 2014 qualifying matches for breaching football rules on taking disputes to ordinary courts.
Three clubs in Oman sought a ruling to invalidate allegedly flawed elections for the Oman Football Association ruling board.
Oman, managed by former Rangers manager Paul Le Guen, are scheduled to play their next World Cup qualifier at home to Jordan on 16 October.


I wish they would take an interest in events in Scotland.

[s.a.m]

I thought the SFA said yesterday (about 40 pages ago) that newco wouldn't be allowed in the SPL next season.


...then he said his comment was taken out of context. Then some chairmen present at the meeting confirmed he did say that.

[Twa Cairpets]

So its official - Doncaster is a cheerleader for the Huns.

Yesterday Regan said unequivocally that newhun wouldne be allowed into the SPL, so there can be no reason whatsoever to delay the vote.

This is now sickening, sad, pathetic and seems almost calculatedly designed to sicken football fans.

My new theory is that Doncaster is in fact a secret agent of the Juniors and this is all a plot to get teams to support their local clubs instead of the SPL.

There can be other reason for him actively seeking to destroy the game.

Also - wtf right has he to comment on anything other than SPL. Thats his remit. Get him tae ****

[tamig]

So its official - Doncaster is a cheerleader for the Huns.

Yesterday Regan said unequivocally that newhun wouldne be allowed into the SPL, so there can be no reason whatsoever to delay the vote.

This is now sickening, sad, pathetic and seems almost calculatedly designed to sicken football fans.

My new theory is that Doncaster is in fact a secret agent of the Juniors and this is all a plot to get teams to support their local clubs instead of the SPL.

There can be other reason for him actively seeking to destroy the game.

Also - wtf right has he to comment on anything other than SPL. Thats his remit. Get him tae ****

If that is the case then, why is there any need for a vote in the first place re transfer of share to the new hun?

[Sergio sledge]

Yesterday Regan said unequivocally that newhun wouldne be allowed into the SPL, so there can be no reason whatsoever to delay the vote.

IMHO, the newco won't be in the SPL next season, but the matter is whether they'll be in SFL1 with the SFL's agreement or without the SFL's agreement. If the SFL say yes, the SPL clubs can vote no to the newco, if the SFL clubs say no, then the SPL will vote yes to the newco and then immediately relegate the newco as one of the sanctions against them.

[H18sry]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/scotsman-com-survey-results-scottish-football-fans-have-their-say-on-rangers-newco-1-2391584#.T_Qg7nbw_X0.facebook

[Gatecrasher]

what a bunch of *****bags that run out league :rolleyes:

[Peevemor]

IMHO, the newco won't be in the SPL next season, but the matter is whether they'll be in SFL1 with the SFL's agreement or without the SFL's agreement. If the SFL say yes, the SPL clubs can vote no to the newco, if the SFL clubs say no, then the SPL will vote yes to the newco and then immediately relegate the newco as one of the sanctions against them.

:agree:

[McKenzie]

Ian Black to sign if there's a "positive outcome" in the talks

[CallumLaidlaw]

Ian Black has reached an agreement to sign for #Rangers newco IF there's a positive outcome on league status-link here: http://t.co/1ffG3K8e

[Andy74]

IMHO, the newco won't be in the SPL next season, but the matter is whether they'll be in SFL1 with the SFL's agreement or without the SFL's agreement. If the SFL say yes, the SPL clubs can vote no to the newco, if the SFL clubs say no, then the SPL will vote yes to the newco and then immediately relegate the newco as one of the sanctions against them.

The SFL have already taken a relegated club - can the SPL even force them to take another?

SPL is a membership based league and there must be some agreements between honoring of the going up and down but I doubt the SPL could force the SFL to take a member and into a specific league.

[PatHead]

Hearts must be delighted. Rangers bump them for £800k. Hearts let go a player they can't afford Rangers sign him. Wish the news had broken yesterday to remind everyone what corrupt *******s (*******sa) they are....

[GreenCastle]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/109273-ian-black-agrees-to-rangers-move-depending-on-their-league-status/

Ian Black - you couldn't make this up ? What happens if they are in a different league - will he sign for another club and be his 2nd choice? What about Rangers transfer ban ?

:confused:

[poolman]

Just heard on Forth One that Ian Black has agreed to join the Huns :faf:

[ScottB]

'New Rangers' have no transfer ban. Still, them being able to pick up players like Black is exactly why they should be in SFL3. Starting again in SFL1 or the SPL, they will soon have a squad as good, if not better than they had before. Disgusting.

[SneakersO'Toole]

'New Rangers' have no transfer ban. Still, them being able to pick up players like Black is exactly why they should be in SFL3. Starting again in SFL1 or the SPL, they will soon have a squad as good, if not better than they had before. Disgusting.

It is what will drive me and thousands of other SPL fans away. Abhorrent behaviour.

[blackpoolhibs]

It is what will drive me and thousands of other SPL fans away. Abhorrent behaviour.

:agree: I'm amazed folk will still want to be part of this, if this is allowed then nothing has changed?

[rcarter1]

Based on previous years, a conservative estimate for all 12 SPL clubs turnover (excluding Rangers) would be about

100,000,000 pounds. (Assuming Celtic is about 50,000,000)

Again based on previous years, costs running these clubs will amount to about 50,000,000 total (which seems a lot!).

This leaves 50,000,000 for the combined payroll. If we now deduct the 16,000,000 losses due to Rangers in the 3rd division, - based on NO TV money and NO gate money from Rangers replacement (Dundee/Dunfermline).

we are left with 34,000,000

For the SPL to survive, all players in the SPL could agree to 32% of their pay to be deferred for a number of years. The clubs then have time to readjust their finances accordingly over the next few years. While this would not be a popular option and not even necessary for some clubs with facilities to manage by other means, for those clubs that face the worst case scenario (administration/liquidation), is it too much to ask their players to help them in this way? The players wouldn't lose out in the long run, they would just have to sign up to a mini pension scheme.

This is the 'worst case' scenario al la Doncaster. Clubs will no doubt save some money from reduced policing and other costs, be able to borrow certain amounts from banks etc, selling players, not including the fact that the TV and replacement gate money is highly unlikely to be zero.

[SteveHFC]

Neil Doncaster is a ****ing ****er

[InchHibby]

:agree: I'm amazed folk will still want to be part of this, if this is allowed then nothing has changed?

I dont, this just beggars beleif. The only thing thats wanted in this whole scenario is for Rangers to be playing Celtic again a.s.a.p.
I wish they would inform the meeting at Hampden of this information.:grr:

[JimBHibees]

'New Rangers' have no transfer ban. Still, them being able to pick up players like Black is exactly why they should be in SFL3. Starting again in SFL1 or the SPL, they will soon have a squad as good, if not better than they had before. Disgusting.

You really couldnt make it up. A club has cheated for 20 years has bumped HMRC and other creditors for millions they liquidate get dropped one division and are back with no debt as strong as ever. Only in Scotland could this happen.

[MB62]

So the SPL delay their vote until the SFL club have voted.
The SFL clubs have nothing to vote on until the SPL clubs have their vote shirley?
What happens if the SFL clubs decide to then delay their vote until the SPL clubs vote?

Nobody is ever going to vote on anything to do with this Sevco 5088.

[marinello59]

You really couldnt make it up. A club has cheated for 20 years has bumped HMRC and other creditors for millions they liquidate get dropped one division and are back with no debt as strong as ever. Only in Scotland could this happen.

It happens with businesses all over the world in a daily basis.

[PatHead]

This is like waiting on the postie for your exam results. Sure everything will be okay but just how good?

[Gatecrasher]

So the SPL delay their vote until the SFL club have voted.
The SFL clubs have nothing to vote on until the SPL clubs have their vote shirley?
What happens if the SFL clubs decide to then delay their vote until the SPL clubs vote?

Nobody is ever going to vote on anything to do with this Sevco 5088.

Its a strange one :agree:
The SFL should put out a statement saying they cant vote until a decision is made by the SPL.

[JimBHibees]

It happens with businesses all over the world in a daily basis.

Not in football, it doesnt.

[blackpoolhibs]

It happens with businesses all over the world in a daily basis.

Would any newco football club be allowed to join any other football league in the world, other than at the bottom tier?

[marinello59]

Would any newco football club be allowed to join any other football league in the world, other than at the bottom tier?

To be honest I don't know.

[Speedway]

Would any newco football club be allowed to join any other football league in the world, other than at the bottom tier?

If there's big money involved and a biased governing body, yes.

[HibbySpurs]

So the SPL delay their vote until the SFL club have voted.
The SFL clubs have nothing to vote on until the SPL clubs have their vote shirley?
What happens if the SFL clubs decide to then delay their vote until the SPL clubs vote?

Nobody is ever going to vote on anything to do with this Sevco 5088.

Exactly, maybe thats been the idea all along, nobody votes so in the end they go "ah **** it, just let them play in the SPL" :grr:

It'ls like watching the Chuckle Brothers just now "to me, to you, to me, to you" :rolleyes:

[ScottB]

You really couldnt make it up. A club has cheated for 20 years has bumped HMRC and other creditors for millions they liquidate get dropped one division and are back with no debt stronger than ever. Only in Scotland could this happen.

Fixed that for you.

Rangers have been crippled by debt for years, barely signing any players. New Rangers have no debt at all, so will be able to channel all their income into the squad. They can be much, much stronger within a couple seasons at most.

[Moulin Yarns]

Its the end of the world as we know it.

Back to the Juniors and a few more trips to the EPL/SFL for me.

As I said earlier, I'm out of any financially motivated club. It is Amateur football with Vale of Atholl for me. Beer swigging, fag smoking, old bald guys chasing a ball (and that's just their biggest name former player) :greengrin

[killie-hibby]

Transcription of email i sent to Rod Petrie this morning.

"There have been suggestions in the media that no vote will be taken (at todays meeting) regards SPL clubs decision to reject or agree to the soon to be liquidated Glasgow Rangers FC,s desire to remain in the SPL.
I fully expect Hibernian FC to insist on a transparent vote being taken today, and not at a later date. I would further expect Hibernian FC to vote NO against that aforementioned club remaining in the SPL thus continuing Hibernian FC,s stance, that Sporting Integrity is beyond purchase or cost.
I do realise that should the No vote win, then all SPL clubs will suffer a financial loss in the short term. It is my opinion that this short term loss can very quickly be made up by an increase in crowds via lapsed supporters returning to watch their respective teams play in a more competitive league/division where Sporting Integrity rather than cheating is the norm.
Like many other supporters I will never watch another SPL match if Glasgow Rangers win the vote.
I have supported Hibs since 1958. Your vote today will determine whether my support continues."

[R'Albin]

Sorry I struggle to keep up with this at times.. Is the reason they are postponing the vote so that division 1 get to vote first and -
from their point of view - hopefully accept them in, meaning that if they say no, the SPL chairmen have an opportunity to vote them in ?

[leggeto]

ive said all allong that they would change the rules if rangers or celtic got relegated,that seems to me that is whats going to happen,personaly i hope they rot like the **** they are:flag::flag::flag::flag:

[TheEastTerrace]

Statement from Clyde FC - a must read

http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/07/04/4137/

[Hibrandenburg]

This whole saga is probably the push .I've been needing for a long time. My son is at an age where the green brainwashing can be reversed and there's plenty of choice to watch decent football here in Berlin.

I can't imagine how I'd ever explain to him why Scottish football is dominated by the bigot brothers and we let them do it.

When I think about all that my old fella did for Hibs, then it makes me sick to the gut that the present regime might concent to being thoroughly rogered in the name of money.

[JeMeSouviens]

Statement from Clyde FC - a must read

http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/07/04/4137/

Their website seems to be struggling. It is a must read and well done to Clyde FC for offering the transparency that's so sadly missing from all the players in this saga:



Club Statement: SFL Meeting
Wed, 4th Jul 2012 12:34pm

The club sent two directors to attend the meeting of the SFL clubs yesterday and they have reported back to the Board. The meeting and conversations covered the best part of 5 hours but there were only a few overarching themes.

The clear message portrayed is that Scottish Football is in a very dark place indeed and there is simply no good solution to what is now a structural problem that has gone beyond a one dimensional issue of where Rangers should play next season. No matter what happens now there is going to be enormous fallout across the Scottish game. Whether some good can be extracted from the impending mess will depend entirely on the SPL clubs, guided by the currently absent leadership of the SFA.

Neil Doncaster wanted only one thing from the meeting, to get a steer from the SFL clubs whether they would allow Rangers into SFL1. He talked the clubs through a detailed explanation of where the SPL clubs would lose £16m next season if Rangers were not entered to the top division of the SFL. This was delivered as a matter of fact, it was a "reality". It seems that most, if not all, major sponsors of the SPL have exit clauses if either of the 'Old Firm' are not within the SPL. The total figure was not new, but the detail behind the number and its impact on individual clubs in the SPL was set out clearly. There were challenges made regarding the flip side of saving the central income from sponsors and media, the obvious impact of loss of supporters to the game who have strongly voiced their intent. Supporter reaction has not been factored in, again there are realities, the SPL clubs are waiting on their Sky cheques in August and clearly that was more important. Nowhere in the presentation was account taken on the impact to the finances of clubs, and more importantly the relevance of the game, should supporters stay at home.

The consequential impact on the SFL from the presentation was that the SFL would lose its entitlement to circa £2m per annum from the Settlement Agreement put together to compensate the SFL for the SPL breakaway, this was made very clear by Neil Doncaster. He told the clubs that if the SPL didn't have the money then they could not pay the SFL. The reality however, which was clear from the detailed figures, is that the SPL, whilst losing an enormous amount of funding, would have the cash to make payment; it is just that the SPL would not meet the legal obligation to the SFL as the cash would be used to finance the SPL teams.

The undeniable statement made on behalf of the SPL is commercially understandable. The SPL would not allow £16m to flow out of their coffers, the impact would be too catastrophic for the SPL clubs to contemplate and as such the only options are that Rangers enter SFL1 or, as a less attractive backstop, a breakaway SPL2 will be formed. There is no prospect, from an SPL point of view, that SFL3 can be allowed to happen.

Neil Doncaster was delivering a very unpalatable proposition and he did it clearly and effectively, hence the representatives of Clyde Football Club understood that the only thing that mattered was the impact on SPL clubs from the loss of money from media and sponsors.

It was to the credit of every SFL club, and probably to the surprise of Neil Doncaster, that nobody asked him to improve on the £1m offer.

The SFL clubs were given a steer for themselves by Neil Doncaster, if the SFL could not tell him how they might vote, then he would expect the SPL clubs not to vote at their meeting either.

There were a few new things learned in the meeting, not least that the rules of the SFL would allow any club accepted into the SFL, by a simple majority, to be placed in any division. The rules do not state, nor imply, that they must join at the bottom tier, only custom and practice around good governance and integrity has seen teams join in the bottom tier. In addition, the attendees at the meeting were left in absolutely no doubt whatsoever by Stewart Regan that if the SPL clubs voted to allow a Newco into the SPL then it would be blocked by the SFA refusing to transfer the SFA membership. It was however caveated well enough to make it less than an absolute statement. The meeting was full of implied actions and outcomes, the use of clever language when delivering the speeches allows anyone to defend with ‘that is not what I said'. However, nobody will have left the meeting with anything other than the very clear messages being put across. Denials of the substance of the message being delivered do not assist anyone in this absolutely dreadful situation.

There will be no winners. Any level of integrity for the sport will be lost by one outcome and financial collapse, we are told, will fall upon the SPL with the other. Sadly, the SFA and SPL have decided that whilst they say they are looking for a collaborative solution, they have very clearly made sure that by their own inaction that the blame will sit with the SFL - no matter what the outcome. The Board of the SFL are being put under intolerable pressure by the other bodies looking to avoid the implications of properly applying their own governance procedures.

In summary, the SFA implication is that there will be no entry to the SPL. The SPL implication is that it therefore has to be SFL1 with a bit of restructure, or an SPL2 with the rest of the SFL cut adrift. There were no other options. Whilst Stewart Regan said that the SFA did not favour an SPL2, there was no equivalent abhorrence of that proposal as was attached to the proposal for a Newco in the SPL, leaving the implication that the door remains wide open for the SPL to secure their £16m with or without the SFL.

The Board of the club will consider the feedback from its representatives and also the outcomes of the next few days and will keep its supporters fully appraised, but in the meantime see no reason to amend any previous comment.

[GreenCastle]

Club Statement: SFL Meeting from Clyde FC
Wed, 4th Jul 2012 12:34pm
The club sent two directors to attend the meeting of the SFL clubs yesterday and they have reported back to the Board. The meeting and conversations covered the best part of 5 hours but there were only a few overarching themes.


The clear message portrayed is that Scottish Football is in a very dark place indeed and there is simply no good solution to what is now a structural problem that has gone beyond a one dimensional issue of where Rangers should play next season. No matter what happens now there is going to be enormous fallout across the Scottish game. Whether some good can be extracted from the impending mess will depend entirely on the SPL clubs, guided by the currently absent leadership of the SFA.
Neil Doncaster wanted only one thing from the meeting, to get a steer from the SFL clubs whether they would allow Rangers into SFL1. He talked the clubs through a detailed explanation of where the SPL clubs would lose £16m next season if Rangers were not entered to the top division of the SFL. This was delivered as a matter of fact, it was a "reality". It seems that most, if not all, major sponsors of the SPL have exit clauses if either of the 'Old Firm' are not within the SPL. The total figure was not new, but the detail behind the number and its impact on individual clubs in the SPL was set out clearly. There were challenges made regarding the flip side of saving the central income from sponsors and media, the obvious impact of loss of supporters to the game who have strongly voiced their intent. Supporter reaction has not been factored in, again there are realities, the SPL clubs are waiting on their Sky cheques in August and clearly that was more important. Nowhere in the presentation was account taken on the impact to the finances of clubs, and more importantly the relevance of the game, should supporters stay at home.


The consequential impact on the SFL from the presentation was that the SFL would lose its entitlement to circa £2m per annum from the Settlement Agreement put together to compensate the SFL for the SPL breakaway, this was made very clear by Neil Doncaster. He told the clubs that if the SPL didn't have the money then they could not pay the SFL. The reality however, which was clear from the detailed figures, is that the SPL, whilst losing an enormous amount of funding, would have the cash to make payment; it is just that the SPL would not meet the legal obligation to the SFL as the cash would be used to finance the SPL teams.


The undeniable statement made on behalf of the SPL is commercially understandable. The SPL would not allow £16m to flow out of their coffers, the impact would be too catastrophic for the SPL clubs to contemplate and as such the only options are that Rangers enter SFL1 or, as a less attractive backstop, a breakaway SPL2 will be formed. There is no prospect, from an SPL point of view, that SFL3 can be allowed to happen.


Neil Doncaster was delivering a very unpalatable proposition and he did it clearly and effectively, hence the representatives of Clyde Football Club understood that the only thing that mattered was the impact on SPL clubs from the loss of money from media and sponsors.


It was to the credit of every SFL club, and probably to the surprise of Neil Doncaster, that nobody asked him to improve on the £1m offer.
The SFL clubs were given a steer for themselves by Neil Doncaster, if the SFL could not tell him how they might vote, then he would expect the SPL clubs not to vote at their meeting either.


There were a few new things learned in the meeting, not least that the rules of the SFL would allow any club accepted into the SFL, by a simple majority, to be placed in any division. The rules do not state, nor imply, that they must join at the bottom tier, only custom and practice around good governance and integrity has seen teams join in the bottom tier. In addition, the attendees at the meeting were left in absolutely no doubt whatsoever by Stewart Regan that if the SPL clubs voted to allow a Newco into the SPL then it would be blocked by the SFA refusing to transfer the SFA membership. It was however caveated well enough to make it less than an absolute statement. The meeting was full of implied actions and outcomes, the use of clever language when delivering the speeches allows anyone to defend with ‘that is not what I said'. However, nobody will have left the meeting with anything other than the very clear messages being put across. Denials of the substance of the message being delivered do not assist anyone in this absolutely dreadful situation.


There will be no winners. Any level of integrity for the sport will be lost by one outcome and financial collapse, we are told, will fall upon the SPL with the other. Sadly, the SFA and SPL have decided that whilst they say they are looking for a collaborative solution, they have very clearly made sure that by their own inaction that the blame will sit with the SFL - no matter what the outcome. The Board of the SFL are being put under intolerable pressure by the other bodies looking to avoid the implications of properly applying their own governance procedures.


In summary, the SFA implication is that there will be no entry to the SPL. The SPL implication is that it therefore has to be SFL1 with a bit of restructure, or an SPL2 with the rest of the SFL cut adrift. There were no other options. Whilst Stewart Regan said that the SFA did not favour an SPL2, there was no equivalent abhorrence of that proposal as was attached to the proposal for a Newco in the SPL, leaving the implication that the door remains wide open for the SPL to secure their £16m with or without the SFL.


The Board of the club will consider the feedback from its representatives and also the outcomes of the next few days and will keep its supporters fully appraised, but in the meantime see no reason to amend any previous comment.

[soda70]

the conspiracy theorists among the Rangers fans should be asking is it coincidence that the last 2 owners names are Green and Whyte? just s thought:)

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Would any newco football club be allowed to join any other football league in the world, other than at the bottom tier?

Check out what happened in Argentina when Boca & River were in trouble. The league changed its dynamics to allow them to stay in the top flight. Our league is just as corrupt.

[blackpoolhibs]

Check out what happened in Argentina when Boca & River were in trouble. The league changed its dynamics to allow them to stay in the top flight. Our league is just as corrupt.

:agree: I feel so much better knowing that.

[bawheid]

An astonishing statement from Clyde FC. Good on them for exposing full details of how Doncaster and Regan are behaving.


There will be no winners. Any level of integrity for the sport will be lost by one outcome and financial collapse, we are told, will fall upon the SPL with the other. Sadly, the SFA and SPL have decided that whilst they say they are looking for a collaborative solution, they have very clearly made sure that by their own inaction that the blame will sit with the SFL - no matter what the outcome. The Board of the SFL are being put under intolerable pressure by the other bodies looking to avoid the implications of properly applying their own governance procedures.

In summary, the SFA implication is that there will be no entry to the SPL. The SPL implication is that it therefore has to be SFL1 with a bit of restructure, or an SPL2 with the rest of the SFL cut adrift. There were no other options. Whilst Stewart Regan said that the SFA did not favour an SPL2, there was no equivalent abhorrence of that proposal as was attached to the proposal for a Newco in the SPL, leaving the implication that the door remains wide open for the SPL to secure their £16m with or without the SFL.

A clear threat from the SPL to the rest of Scottish Football. Allow our corrupt and immoral cartel to continue and accept our crumbs off the table - or we'll cut you adrift.

Utterly, utterly shocking.

[Sir David Gray]

An astonishing statement from Clyde FC. Good on them for exposing full details of how Doncaster and Regan are behaving.



A clear threat from the SPL to the rest of Scottish Football. Allow our corrupt and immoral cartel to continue and accept our crumbs off the table - or we'll cut you adrift.

Utterly, utterly shocking.

:agree: The leaders of our game have to go now. Their positions are untenable.

[s.a.m]

An astonishing statement from Clyde FC. Good on them for exposing full details of how Doncaster and Regan are behaving.



A clear threat from the SPL to the rest of Scottish Football. Allow our corrupt and immoral cartel to continue and accept our crumbs off the table - or we'll cut you adrift.

Utterly, utterly shocking.

Shocking it is indeed. And disgusting. And loathesome. As well as patronising. And unforgivable.

[marinello59]

:agree: I feel so much better knowing that.

Not just in Scotland then. :greengrin

[Hainan Hibs]

I'm glad Clyde came out and told us what went on, to be honest I'm just lost for words at how the SPL have acted.

[Moulin Yarns]

WOW!!!

So, Rangers went into administration having loads of debt because they chose to overspend and withold payments due.

Now the SPL are threatening to do exactly the same to the SFL, we owe you £2million, but you're not getting it.

That is just unbelievable.

[JeMeSouviens]

Check out what happened in Argentina when Boca & River were in trouble. The league changed its dynamics to allow them to stay in the top flight. Our league is just as corrupt.

What happened in Argentina: River Plate were relegated, the president of the Argentine FA suggested merging the top 2 divisions to create a 38 team league(!), the fans of other clubs marched on the AFA's hq, the proposal was dropped.

Maybe it's time we thought about heading to Hampdump?

[Peevemor]

The SFL should simply tell the SPL to ram it, just as the SPL did to them on it's formation.

Anyway, the SFL would do quite nicely out of Newhun climbing the leagues. Bigger gates, more interest, no doubt an improved tv deal and, consequently, an increase in sponsorship/advertising revenue.

[blackpoolhibs]

Not just in Scotland then. :greengrin

:greengrin

It seems not, still does not make it right though.

To be fair i'm starting to not give a toss anymore, maybe this is the excuse i have been looking for to walk away from Hibs? :rolleyes:

EDIT
Looks like it didn't happen in Argentina after all?

[bawheid]

WOW!!!

So, Rangers went into administration having loads of debt because they chose to overspend and withold payments due.

Now the SPL are threatening to do exactly the same to the SFL, we owe you £2million, but you're not getting it.

That is just unbelievable.

Hibs need to distance themselves from this bullying, manipulating behaviour by the end of today or it's cheerio from me and most of the guys I go with.

Not in my name, SPL.

[marinello59]

I'm glad Clyde came out and told us what went on, to be honest I'm just lost for words at how the SPL have acted.

I'm not. Dishonest hypocritical *******. The Chairmen told us one thing whilst telling the SFL something else. Let's see what comes out of the SPL meeeting though. They still have time to do the right thing.

[degenerated]

:agree: The leaders of our game have to go now. Their positions are untenable.

It isn't our game, it's their cash cow. That's the problem.

[marinello59]

:greengrin

It seems not, still does not make it right though.
To be fair i'm starting to not give a toss anymore, maybe this is the excuse i have been looking for to walk away from Hibs? :rolleyes:

No. But it made me right. For once. :greengrin EDIT......Nope, wrong again it seems. I am consistent though. :-)
A serious answer to your last sentence. Far too many fans like yourself will be looking for an excuse to continue to support Hibs and that search will probably be in vain if the SPL clubs do not do the right thing today. What a mess.

[silverhibee]

Could we please stop posting pictures of Neil Doncaster up on this thread. My monitor is in danger of being smashed to smithereens.

Thanks.


Hope this calms you down a bit.

http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.1955459.1320843370!image/2200502731.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2200502731.jpg :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not. Dishonest hypocritical *******. The Chairmen told us one thing whilst telling the SFL something else. Let's see what comes out of the SPL meeeting though. They still have time to do the right thing.

Some would say corrupt? :wink:

[Saorsa]

It isn't our game, it's their cash cow. That's the problem.:agree: all these shysters are interested in is keeping their gravy train rolling.

[silverhibee]

Why is Petrie to blame? As far as I can see he has come out and stated that Hibs are ready to vote now and will vote no. If the other 11 clubs decide to delay the vote there is nothing he can do about it.

I think the meaning in the statement last week is clear now that the proposed delay has come out into the open. Someone within the SPL is driving an agenda to delay the vote and lobbying other clubs over it. Hibs have stated they will vote now. I would put money on it being one of the clubs which hasn't declared their vote yet, Celtic would be the most obvious candidate.

There has been one report that Petrie briefed Green on the document released by the SFL, but until we have proof that Rod has been complicit in delaying the vote and trying to push the proposed stitch up we can't blame him surely. Hibs have been consistent in their public pronouncements about sporting integrity and voting no, and they have stated it is up to others to decide once the SPL vote is out of the way.

If the vote is delayed today I would expect and hope that Hibs will issue a statement to re-iterate what they said last week and clarifying that the delay was not their idea or what they wanted.


They have went very quiet over all this stuff all of a sudden.

[marinello59]

Some would say corrupt? :wink:

:greengrin

[PatHead]

You have to assume Doncaster had the support of the member clubs to come out and say that. I assume we shall all hear which clubs proposed and seconded the motion for SPL to be at the SFL meeting and for the draft presentation.


Hope C4 get their claws into this.

[bawheid]

Hope this calms you down a bit.

http://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.1955459.1320843370!image/2200502731.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2200502731.jpg :greengrin

:faf: :greengrin

[Emerald]

Maybe we should be asking if Sky would want to broadcast a league that is unfair and corrupt. Do Sky viewers want their subscription money to be paid to a corrupt organisation? And, would any sponsor want to have their company name linked to a corrupt organisation? Maybe these folk should be saying they only want to be involved if its within a fair and sporting league.

[blackpoolhibs]

No. But it made me right. For once. :greengrin
A serious answer to your last sentence. Far to many fans like yourself will be looking for an excuse to continue to support Hibs and that search will probably be in vain if the SPL clubs do not do the right thing today. What a mess.

Yip a complete mess, and if honest i dont blame Rangers in this. Its obvious they want to play at the highest level, but the laws are there, they just needed applied. Its the lies and deceit thats turned me away, and others i'd imagine too.

The authorities have the chance to restructure the whole game, but only want to restructure it for the benefit of 2 teams.

Personally i think they have pissed of so many non Rangers fans, they will be lost forever, and if they are allowed to get their way and put Rangers in Div 1, even more will be lost. Christ if they put them back in the SPL, we'd as well let them have 2 stands, as i think we will lose a lot of our support, along with every other club?

As i have said a few times now, who really cares anymore?

[Seveno]

Throughout this saga, I have steadfastly supported our Chairman and my Club. I have been one of the minority to have stated that I would continue to support Hibs no matter the outcome of Oldco/ Newco/ or any other Co.

If the statement by Clyde FC is a true reflection of what was said at the SFL meeting yesterday and the remains of Rangers are allowed to play anywhere other than SFL 3, then I shall have to reconsider my stance. The statement by Turnbull Hutton, on the steps at Hampden before the meeting, will have summed up Scottish football as being corrupt and it would challenge my own integrity to continue supporting with my money.

[marinello59]

Maybe we should be asking if Sky would want to broadcast a league that is unfair and corrupt. Do Sky viewers want their subscription money to be paid to a corrupt organisation? And, would any sponsor want to have their company name linked to a corrupt organisation? Maybe these folk should be saying they only want to be involved if its within a fair and sporting league.

Sky will broadcast anything that people will watch and in the case of the SPL people will watch Old Firm games. I don't think they could care less about the rest of us to be honest.

[DH1875]

Check out what happened in Argentina when Boca & River were in trouble. The league changed its dynamics to allow them to stay in the top flight. Our league is just as corrupt.

I'm confused :confused:. River Plate have just spent a year in the 2nd division.

[ScottB]

Maybe we should be asking if Sky would want to broadcast a league that is unfair and corrupt. Do Sky viewers want their subscription money to be paid to a corrupt organisation? And, would any sponsor want to have their company name linked to a corrupt organisation? Maybe these folk should be saying they only want to be involved if its within a fair and sporting league.

Sky's only statement has been that they plan to continue showing Scottish football, but that a renegotiation of the deal starting next season that is currently unsigned is likely.


Doncaster and co are the only ones claiming Sky will bail.

[Stevie Reid]

I can feel the life draining out of me as reality hits home.

I was getting quite excited about the new season a few days ago.

[Hibercelona]

Maybe we should be asking if Sky would want to broadcast a league that is unfair and corrupt. Do Sky viewers want their subscription money to be paid to a corrupt organisation? And, would any sponsor want to have their company name linked to a corrupt organisation? Maybe these folk should be saying they only want to be involved if its within a fair and sporting league.

You think massive companies like SKY would care about anything else other than money?

Their annual turnover from the SPL is an estimated 400 million.

They don't give a ****.

[Part/Time Supporter]

I'm confused :confused:. River Plate have just spent a year in the 2nd division.

River finished bottom one season, the league then changed the rules to say that relegation would be based on a three year average (or somesuch), which kept them up. River then kept being **** for the next 1-2 years and were relegated under the new rules.

[marinello59]

Yip a complete mess, and if honest i dont blame Rangers in this. Its obvious they want to play at the highest level, but the laws are there, they just needed applied. Its the lies and deceit thats turned me away, and others i'd imagine too.

The authorities have the chance to restructure the whole game, but only want to restructure it for the benefit of 2 teams.

Personally i think they have pissed of so many non Rangers fans, they will be lost forever, and if they are allowed to get their way and put Rangers in Div 1, even more will be lost. Christ if they put them back in the SPL, we'd as well let them have 2 stands, as i think we will lose a lot of our support, along with every other club?

As i have said a few times now, who really cares anymore?

If they don't get it right today? Precious few will care.

[Gatecrasher]

IMO the SPL as a footballing organisation is finished after that statement by Clyde, I can't see away back for it. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[DH1875]

Sky's only statement has been that they plan to continue showing Scottish football, but that a renegotiation of the deal starting next season that is currently unsigned is likely.


Doncaster and co are the only ones claiming Sky will bail.


Really stupid question but, why can't any of these journalists actually do their job for once and contact the head honcho at SKY to see what's going on.

[PatHead]

Sky's only statement has been that they plan to continue showing Scottish football, but that a renegotiation of the deal starting next season that is currently unsigned is likely.


Doncaster and co are the only ones claiming Sky will bail.

Doncaster and co are the only ones who have spoken to them and therefore the only ones who know the truth. (Not that I would believe them as he wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him in the face). He should be out there trying to get a replacement deal though rather than bullying SFL.

[dchibs]

You really couldnt make it up. A club has cheated for 20 years has bumped HMRC and other creditors for millions they liquidate get dropped one division and are back with no debt as strong as ever. Only in Scotland could this happen.

Is this Scotland or N Korea; Im beging to think they probably have more sporting integrity.

[PaulC]

As long as rantic play each other at least 4 times a season then TV, spl, sfa, media and the fans of the bigotted two will be happy. The rest of us just make up the numbers from league position 2 right down to last place in division 3.

Newco in spl or div 1 and I am out distancing myself completely from scottish farceball ....... What an absolute shambles this is

[Emerald]

You think massive companies like SKY would care about anything else other than money?

Their annual turnover from the SPL is an estimated 400 million.

They don't give a ****.

Maybe they don't but how about the league sponsors. Putting your name in front of it could be suicide. Scottish Corrupt Premier League sponsored by ..................

[Speedway]

Let the whole thing collapse, and the jobs that go with it sadly. Cure the cancer and start again, partying like its 1875.

[Judas Iscariot]

If these corrupt ****s get away with this then EVERY single fan that is opposed to this should impliment a blanket boycott of all things SFA, going to the national team games, buying merchandise, etc etc... withdraw support to the SFA and our governing bodies at every level possible!!!

No point in boycotting Hibs games as our club have been against this from the off, it's the folk in power, SFA, SPL etc that need to feel the wrath!!

[Saorsa]

If these corrupt ****s get away with this then EVERY single fan that is opposed to this should impliment a blanket boycott of all things SFA, going to the national team games, buying merchandise, etc etc... withdraw support to the SFA and our governing bodies at every level possible!!!

No point in boycotting Hibs games as our club have been against this from the off, it's the folk in power, SFA, SPL etc that need to feel the wrath!!you dinnae think Petrie is involved in this? They're all saying one thing tae yer face and another behind yer back.

[JimBHibees]

The bottom line is that if some SPL clubs are that badly run that Rangers leaving the SPL would financially cripple them to be honest they should either go to the wall or into administration and that would just be tough. To use that as an excuse to carry out this perverted form of sporting integrity in the form of blackmailing, bullying and lying to SFL clubs is completely sickening. Rangers should be dealt with properly and then we will see what happens, clubs will need to cut their cloth accordingly and if that means going part time or worse that is just the way it goes. They will be replaced by other SFL teams and we go on.