Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[hibs0666]

Not forgetting Luna being sent off when he scored against them at Easter Road.

[SteveHFC]

The SPL featuring only 11 clubs next season. :confused:



A Rangers newco sitting out the first round of fixtures AND a League Cup ban. :grr:



Consecutive points deductions for the next three seasons. :aok:



Demotion to the Third Division. :thumbsup::thumbsup:



Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4379382/D-Day-on-Rangers-shambles.html#ixzz1yBoXWXtJ

[Moulin Yarns]

The SPL featuring only 11 clubs next season. :confused:



A Rangers newco sitting out the first round of fixtures AND a League Cup ban. :grr:



Consecutive points deductions for the next three seasons. :aok:



Demotion to the Third Division. :thumbsup::thumbsup:



Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4379382/D-Day-on-Rangers-shambles.html#ixzz1yBoXWXtJ



This is good to read...

Despite the possibility of Rangers dropping into the First Division, SFL supremo David Longmuir insisted such a move would not be welcomed.
He said: “The decisions that have to be made by the SPL and SFA are far more crucial than the knock-on effects that come to the SFL.
“The only way we could accommodate any new application would be to create a gap in the Third Division through the play-offs.
“There would be no provision for any newco Rangers to go into the First rather than Third Division.”


Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4379382/D-Day-on-Rangers-shambles.html#ixzz1yDPVvzRt

[majorhibs]

What about Goram knocked unconscious at ibrox - the ref never stopped the game and they scored whilst he was out cold - disgusting.

Or Hateley and Geebsie going for the ball iirc Geebsie elbowed and Hateley either scored or got a penalty. - at Greyskull, ball over the top into the box, both turn & run for it, Geebsie gets in front by 2 yards & about to take it out to the corner, the big english galoot realises he's getting naewhere & dives onto Geebsie's back, G doesnae know whats hit him & goes down, ref runs up, red cards Geebsie, gives them a pen. they win 1-0. Unbelievable just about, but it's Scottish refs & the huns. One that sticks in my mind way before at Greyskull their # 11 john mcdonald, always a diver, with a total shocker that the ref just HAD to give3, worst dive ever, they won that one by 1 goal as well, 3rd division is way too lenient for them.

[Callum_62]

umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223145

[Newry Hibs]

There have been a few posters saying that without an SFA or UEFA licence TRFC cannot get into the SPL and indeed the UEFA one isn't transferable.

If (and I'm not doubting this) this is the case, why has it not been raised before? Surely the meeting on the 4th isn't required, unless they are saying 'turn up with the licences and we'll have a vote' knowing they can't get one (I've checked ebay and none are for sale).

[s.a.m]

There have been a few posters saying that without an SFA or UEFA licence TRFC cannot get into the SPL and indeed the UEFA one isn't transferable.

If (and I'm not doubting this) this is the case, why has it not been raised before? Surely the meeting on the 4th isn't required, unless they are saying 'turn up with the licences and we'll have a vote' knowing they can't get one (I've checked ebay and none are for sale).

I seem to remember 20 or so pages back, somebody quoted a 'period of grace' for fulfilment of licence requirements in the SPL regulations.

[Newry Hibs]

I seem to remember 20 or so pages back, somebody quoted a 'period of grace' for fulfilment of licence requirements in the SPL regulations.

But doesn't it take 3 years to get a UEFA licence? That's a long grace period.

Do all clubs have one - including East Stirling et al?

[Leithenhibby]

umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223145


"Raging" is a very popular word over there! .... :na na:

[s.a.m]

But doesn't it take 3 years to get a UEFA licence? That's a long grace period.

Do all clubs have one - including East Stirling et al?

1 Certainly is.
2 I also seem to remember reading that it was 'discretionary'. So.....no, probably. :rolleyes:

[H18sry]

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/why-rangers-can-vote-on-4th-july-and-how-the-spl-and-rangers-are-in-error/

[ballengeich]

If the vote goes against the transfer of the SPL share to Sevco, the share remains with the existing Rangers business as the liquidation won't be completed by July 4th. How does the SPL get rid of them in order to allow Dundee or Dunfermline to replace them? Could Rangers hang on to SPL membership until the start of the season just to cause maximum confusion?

[down-the-slope]

If the vote goes against the transfer of the SPL share to Sevco, the share remains with the existing Rangers business as the liquidation won't be completed by July 4th. How does the SPL get rid of them in order to allow Dundee or Dunfermline to replace them? Could Rangers hang on to SPL membership until the start of the season just to cause maximum confusion?

Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

[Kaiser1962]

But doesn't it take 3 years to get a UEFA licence? That's a long grace period.

Do all clubs have one - including East Stirling et al?

East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

[RyeSloan]

East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

Urmm I kind of get that although you have to admit it's tediously slow.

There is also the fact that it is clear that Servco do not meet SPL licence criteria and Rangers now clearly fail that as well. Why wait for 'meticulous detail' when the broad picture is quite clear, neither entity meets entrance criteria so cannot and will not be admitted to the SPL...that would draw a line under the whole affair in terms of impact on the other clubs, fixtures could be confirmed and sponsors re-affirmed.

Why should the whole of Scottish football be impacted by Rangers/Servco desperate desire to bend/break rules for pretty much their own benefit.

If this wasn't 'Rangers' then none of this would be happening. The old club would be expelled or removed by revoking their licence and the new club would be already be trying to get into the SFL.

[Caversham Green]

East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

I'm being a bit pedantic here, but it's not a ban, the club is simply ineligible for UEFA competition. It is an important distinction because a ban sounds like a further punishment, and as we all know Rangers have been punished enough - look at the trouble the 10 point deduction has caused them.

[GloryGlory]

Urmm I kind of get that although you have to admit it's tediously slow.

There is also the fact that it is clear that Servco do not meet SPL licence criteria and Rangers now clearly fail that as well. Why wait for 'meticulous detail' when the broad picture is quite clear, neither entity meets entrance criteria so cannot and will not be admitted to the SPL...that would draw a line under the whole affair in terms of impact on the other clubs, fixtures could be confirmed and sponsors re-affirmed.

Why should the whole of Scottish football be impacted by Rangers/Servco desperate desire to bend/break rules for pretty much their own benefit.

If this wasn't 'Rangers' then none of this would be happening. The old club would be expelled or removed by revoking their licence and the new club would be already be trying to get into the SFL.

Exactly - all of the clubs minded to let NewCheatsCo(SameAsOldCheatsCo) in to the SPL should pause and ask themselves one simple question - if this were my club, what would the other SPL members' (including the Old Squirm) verdicts be? Pretty clear-cut, I would suggest - their clubs would be expelled without a second thought and would have to beg the SFL to let them into Div 3.

And Traynor et al, if they even noticed or were bothered, would be writing that it was as much as they deserved and that the SPL clubs had made the only right decision!!!!

[ian cruise]

Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

Could Green draft up an agreement saying that he will allow RFC(IA) to play at Ibrox if they are still in SPL as a means of making sure that the old club meet SPL membership and retain their SPL share?

[ballengeich]

Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

That's true now, but they're still members and will have a vote on the transfer of their membership. If they're going to be expelled for that, why wait for the transfer meeting? Surely membership should have lapsed as soon as Green took ownership of the football club and Ibrox.

[CropleyWasGod]

Rangers FC (IA) no longer have a ground of 6000+ seats...so they can no longer comply with SPL membership

Cough :greengrin

[WindyMiller]

East Strirling are members of the SFA and have provided 3 years audited accounts to their governing body. Should ES make it to the SPL they would qualify for a UEFA licence, which they would need to compete in the top division.

Newhun have neither 3 years accounts nor a UEFA licence which is why the would need to start, minimum, in the third division.

The lack of UEFA licence, fundamentally, is the reason Newco's face a three year ban from UEFA competitions and it is a requirement to compete in all the top divisions in Europe.

Again, as others have pointed out, the Scottish reglatory bodies are followng due process. They are dealing with everything that comes up in meticulous detail and in order. I now have a bit of faith that the correct decision will be reached.

Also Uefa have agreed in the past that should a team from outside the SPL qualify for a Uefa tournament, they would receive dispensation to enable them to play.

[stokesmessiah]

The most ironic post of the day award for the club formerly known as rangers media website has already been awarded for today, wrap your eyes round this little beauty.

Yes we are sitting ducks. The new sanction from the SFA is delayed until after the vote. The SPL sanctions will be decided after the vote. The EBT investigation will bring charges after the vote. I for one won't have an interest in a league artificially made uncompetitive by points deductions and thieving our gate money.


Yes you read that right folks a league made artificially uncompetitive (ring any bells) and also we are now thieving money from Club12.

[WarringtonHibee]

The most ironic post of the day award for the club formerly known as rangers media website has already been awarded for today, wrap your eyes round this little beauty.

Yes we are sitting ducks. The new sanction from the SFA is delayed until after the vote. The SPL sanctions will be decided after the vote. The EBT investigation will bring charges after the vote. I for one won't have an interest in a league artificially made uncompetitive by points deductions and thieving our gate money.


Yes you read that right folks, we are now thieving money from Club12.

Eh? Surely that's a joke post... :crazy:

[stokesmessiah]

Eh? Surely that's a joke post... :crazy:

I think it is just the blinding stupidity and arrogance of your typical knuckle dragger unfortunately.

[johnrebus]

umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223145


The level of bile on, 'Rangers media forum', should really merit a veiwing by Inspector Knacker. I thought this stuff was illegal?

Sums them up for me.


:rolleyes:

[The Green Goblin]

"HE had never heard of an EBT until the day he signed for RFC. But now those six little letters will live with Jean-Alain Boumsong for the rest of his days.

The Frenchman has watched on from afar with utter astonishment as Rangers have unravelled over the past six months and last week’s liquidation of the old company has hit him so hard he feels somehow compelled to return to Scotland to do what he can to assist in efforts to save Ibrox from oblivion.

He may have only spent six months in Glasgow – and that was some eight years ago now.

But even so he insists in that short time he felt a bond with the club the likes of which he has never experienced before or after.

Which is perhaps why, even now, he still feels uncomfortable at the very mention of the tax avoidance scheme from which it is claimed he benefited to the tune of around £630,000.

Something about that offshore payment plan just never sat easily with Boumsong. So much so, in fact, that for the first time he has revealed he gave serious thought to pulling the plug on his free transfer to the club on the day he arrived in Glasgow to sign his name on the dotted line.

Eventually he was persuaded by accountants there was nothing illegal about the structure of the contract which would make him a wealthy man and a Rangers player.

But Boumsong smelled a rat back then. And it’s rankled with him ever since.

In an interview with Record Sport here at Euro 2012 he said: “My salary was normally paid but there was a trust. I was not comfortable with that to be honest. I didn’t know anything about it until the day I was going to sign.



“When I discovered it I first refused to sign the contract and said, ‘What is this?’

“I didn’t want to sign because it seemed strange, we don’t have that kind of payment in France and I didn’t know anything about it. When I left Rangers, for example, to sign for Newcastle, it was for a normal contract with normal payment.

“But the day I was signing for Rangers I was told it was legal.

“As players we don’t know the law but my advisers said, ‘It’s okay, you can sign it. It’s legal’.

“I wouldn’t have signed otherwise, no way. If I thought it was wrong legally I wouldn’t have gone. It’s important to be able to sleep at night without any fear of being chased by the tax office.”

If only those running Rangers had been just as scrupulous or even shared some of Boumsong’s reservations, then the club may have been spared from at least a proportion of its ongoing crisis.

EBTs may not have been the cause of their undoing – that one rests with Sir David Murray’s decision to hand the keys to Craig Whyte – but they did leave a huge tax liability hanging over Ibrox and those potential losses led to Lloyds Bank leaning heavily on Murray to sell up in the first place.

The finer details of how Rangers got into such a mess are all a little lost on Boumsong who was off to Newcastle in an £8m move after only six months into that lucrative five-year deal.

He has since spent time at Juventus and Lyon and is currently looking for an escape from stricken Greek outfit Panathinaikos who are experiencing a financial meltdown of their own.

There is for him though a very bitter sense of irony in all of this. He says he would gladly return to Rangers tomorrow, especially if he can help in Walter Smith’s attempts to stabilise the club.

He would be willing to do so for around half of the wages he might earn himself elsewhere. All he would ask for in return is a stake in the future of the new Rangers company.

He insists such a deal would not be about money. And there’s the irony right there. Because Boumsong insists the chance to make a quick buck was not the reason he chose Rangers in the first place.

Which is why he still can’t get his head around why the club was willing to take any kind of risks over his contract.

He said: “Believe me, I could have gone to other clubs for more money. I was a free agent at the time and sometimes it is not about money. I wanted to go there because they believed in me and they wanted me.

“They wanted to build a team with me a big part of it so I decided to go. They trusted me and I trusted them so I signed.”

Now, eight years on, Boumsong would relish the opportunity to do it all over again.

He’s been stuck in Athens without any wages at all for most of last season, just one of the millions of victims of the economic disaster which threatens to bring all of Greece down. And now he would choose to return to Ibrox?

The words “frying pan” and “fire” spring instantly to mind.

But if the club can successfully overturn the disputed transfer embargo which was imposed as a punishment for Whyte’s shamed regime then Boumsong will be there, standing at the front of the queue, ready and willing to help.

He insists it’s all down to a sense of duty or an inner calling.

But most of all though he says he just wants to help clean up a mess that was made by others

He said: “I don’t know too much about what’s happened. Of course, I watch it on TV but I don’t know exactly what’s going on there.

“I hear there is a chance they could be forced to play in the Third Division and that would be a disaster. What would happen to the Scottish League without Rangers? That would be a real shame and to be honest I can’t believe it. It’s incredible.

“I know the other clubs need to complain because they don’t think what’s happened is fair but maybe they will find an agreement because they know how important Rangers are.

“The lesson we have to take from this is that financial fair play must happen. Every single club must now control their finances. But I am quite surprised Rangers didn’t use the money they had better than they did. I mean, they paid big wages, but I’m surprised they weren’t better at business.

“They sold the right-back, Alan Hutton, for £9m. When I left it was for a big transfer worth £8m and I cost the club nothing.

“Sure, they’ve had to pay out wages so it’s not as though you can add £8m and £9m together and ask where the money is now. But you still ask yourself how can this happen to a club like Rangers?

“I still have strong feelings for the club. It doesn’t depend on how long you spend at a club to feel part of it. I had some of my best moments in football at Rangers really.

“I was happy there, my family was happy, and if I had the opportunity to go back I’d go, even now.”

That is the biggest load of *****e I have read in ages. I felt embarrassed reading that. More BS PR from the DR.

[Barney McGrew]

Why wait for 'meticulous detail' when the broad picture is quite clear, neither entity meets entrance criteria so cannot and will not be admitted to the SPL...that would draw a line under the whole affair in terms of impact on the other clubs, fixtures could be confirmed and sponsors re-affirmed.

Given that Rangers/Sevco/Whatever have already shown that they are not averse to a bit of legal action through the courts, it makes sense to ensure that every rule is followed to the letter of the law regardless of how pointless it may seem so that they don't have any ammunition to go legal again and claim procedures haven't been properly completed to their detriment.

Frustrating yes, but if it keeps them out for good with no recourse then I'm happy they're doing it by the book.

[johnrebus]

I'm being a bit pedantic here, but it's not a ban, the club is simply ineligible for UEFA competition. It is an important distinction because a ban sounds like a further punishment, and as we all know Rangers have been punished enough - look at the trouble the 10 point deduction has caused them.


Perhaps there are some brave souls wishing to do penance, who could venture into the wastlelands of certain parts of West Lothian or Ayrshire, to try to explain why the Teddy bears are in such a mess?

I have not met one single Rangers fan who will dwell upon the actions of the club that has brought them to this place. All they respond with is, 'Celtic done it too/We will pay back every club that votes against us/Its all down to Murray/Whyte/We are the people, Rangers will never die/its a Papish conspiracy, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

If, and its still a big if, Rangers are refused entry back into the SPL and end up in Division Three or out of the game completely for a time (or permanently) I can see this being taken onto the streets in certain places.


:cb

[The Green Goblin]

I hear they are planning a film of these events. Working title is: "Died on the 4th July"

[The Green Goblin]

Could the SFL refuse Rangers entry?

[dolphan]

Could the SFL refuse Rangers entry?

Yes - if they had a vacancy they could accept an application from someone else (Spartans, Preston Athletic, and Cove Rangers were the unsuccessful applicants last time round). They wouldn't though.

[green glory]

Could the SFL refuse Rangers entry?

I think the SFL needs 3 years audited accounts, so unless they change the rules for the benefit of the Quintessental British Cheats, then they won't be going there either. Not to worry though because they can just go ahead with their plans to play in some 'Atlantic League'. With concrete boots preferably.

[lord bunberry]

umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223145

It's not often I'm speechless but I was after reading that. They really are living in a fantasy world

[Off the bar]

umm, why the wait till Rangers future is clear??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223145


wow! would'nt normally dirty my eyes by looking at a hun forum, but yup that just confirmed pretty much what I thought about them, some of the abuse to the fella who posted the tatoo post (mischievous tic fan or otherwise) is unreal.

gota kick 'em out they're a stain on the league, this will run for years and years and soo much more still to come out. kick em out and the sfl/sfa/courts can worry about them.

[s.a.m]

Doddie - you maybe want to take a deep breath before you read this:



















Charlie Allan‏@EECharlieAllanDons legend Joe Harper says SPL should show some mercy to newco Gers in his EE column tomorrow

[JimBHibees]

That is the biggest load of *****e I have read in ages. I felt embarrassed reading that. More BS PR from the DR.


Completely agree. I was almost physically sick at this line.

He insists it’s all down to a sense of duty or an inner calling.

This will be the same Boumsong that scuttled off to the EPL within months. That rag gets worse by the day will never ever buy it on its sister rag ever again.

[lapsedhibee]

The most ironic post of the day award for the club formerly known as rangers media website has already been awarded for today, wrap your eyes round this little beauty.

Yes we are sitting ducks. The new sanction from the SFA is delayed until after the vote. The SPL sanctions will be decided after the vote. The EBT investigation will bring charges after the vote. I for one won't have an interest in a league artificially made uncompetitive by points deductions and thieving our gate money.


Yes you read that right folks a league made artificially uncompetitive (ring any bells) and also we are now thieving money from Club12.

We are the gang of ten thieves. :agree: We should all turn up in Dick Turpin masks if we get drawn against them in the Cup. I am feeling a bit guilty now though. How can I repay something into their fighting fund thing? :dunno:

[Steve-O]

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223145


2.How can you justify stripping titles for something that has nothing in relation to the outcome of matches/seasons? It's illogical

:faf:

Yes, buying better players by paying them with money that should have gone to HMRC has absolutely NOTHING to do with winning games...:aok:

[Geo_1875]

Doddie - you maybe want to take a deep breath before you read this:



















Charlie Allan‏@EECharlieAllanDons legend Joe Harper says SPL should show some mercy to newco Gers in his EE column tomorrow

I agree. They should show mercy and put them out of their misery.

[Ryan91]

they dont seem too happy with it tho:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223145

What a vile and loathsome bunch they are. Knuckle-draggers to the very end. Everyone else is at fault apart from them.

:faf:

[scott7_0(Prague)]

this is my favorite one.


Pure raging.

I have the 5 stars tattooed on the back of my neck and all the tims in work
are suggesting places one of them removed.

Others are saying I should get all 5 removed as we are a Newco.

[Off the bar]

this is my favorite one.


all the huns on the thread seam to think thats a tic fan mocking them, and they've left some absolute hum dingers as replys to it, not sure whats funnier RFC going down the toilet or them sat round blaming everyone else and not seeing the writing which is on the wall. RANGERS ARE DEAD all we are waiting on is the final report form the coroner as to the exact cause of death, if they could only understand that there might be some contrition.

[calmac12000]

What about Goram knocked unconscious at ibrox - the ref never stopped the game and they scored whilst he was out cold - disgusting.

Or Hateley and Geebsie going for the ball iirc Geebsie elbowed and Hateley either scored or got a penalty.

It would make a reasonably interesting book if every team in Scotland gave an example of "strange" decisions given against them whilst playing agaist the team from Govan. Only thing would be restricting the legth to a manageable size!

[Gatecrasher]

this is my favorite one.

I know a few folk in the same situation, i feel really bad for them :faf:

[Lucius Apuleius]

Doddie - you maybe want to take a deep breath before you read this:



Charlie Allan‏@EECharlieAllanDons legend Joe Harper says SPL should show some mercy to newco Gers in his EE column tomorrow

Aw, ****. Maybe he won't see it. :greengrin

[green glory]

Wally just walked away.

https://twitter.com/bbcallamont/status/215061467920203778

[s.a.m]

Wally just walked away.

https://twitter.com/bbcallamont/status/215061467920203778

Tom Hall‏@ScotFootBlogWalter Smith wakes up after seven day holiday bender. "And do you remember saying you'd buy Rangers?" asks Ethel. "Oh FFS" says Walter.

[Newry Hibs]

What happened to the 'nuclear' revelations?

With the vote in a couple of weeks, surely there is a risk of missing the boat with the impact it could make.

[1875er]

So Walter DOES do walking away..... had his wee bit of PR and now offski....

[Hibs Class]

Sloppy BBC story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18503656

The consortium led by former manager Walter Smith has withdrawn its offer to take over the 'newco' Rangers.

Surely that should be newco "Rangers"? Newco they are, Rangers they're not.

[cad]

I wonder if Super Swally will still be sticking around now that Uncle Walters bolted .

[green glory]

Starting to wonder how long even this Newco can last.

[Caversham Green]

Sloppy BBC story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18503656

The consortium led by former manager Walter Smith has withdrawn its offer to take over the 'newco' Rangers.

Surely that should be newco "Rangers"? Newco they are, Rangers they're not.


The offer was made to the administrators before the Charles Green consortium had concluded their transaction to acquire the assets.

So why did D&P not accept an offer of half a million more than the original on? Maybe Wattie wanted Ibrox and Murray Park as well. :devil:

[PatHead]

Damn- Club 12 are above us in the league according to the BBC. They are however in the position Dundee would occupy alphabetically-

do they know something we don't):devil:

Scottish Premier League


1
Aberdeen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aberdeen)
0
0
0


No movement 2
Celtic (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic)
0
0
0


No movement 3
Club 12
0
0
0


Moving down 4
Dundee Utd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dundee-united)
0
0
0


Moving down 5
Hearts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/heart-of-midlothian)
0
0
0


Moving down 6
Hibernian (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian)
0
0
0


Moving down 7
Inverness CT (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/inverness-caledonian-thistle)
0
0
0


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Kilmarnock (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/kilmarnock)
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Motherwell (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/motherwell)
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Ross County (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ross-county)
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St Johnstone (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-johnstone)
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St Mirren (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-mirren)
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[greenginger]

Starting to wonder how long even this Newco can last.

I don't think its a case of walking away more stepping aside whilst Green and Co fall on their a*rses. Little or no season ticket money, no new sponsorships for the New Club, no players to sell, and first monthly wages due soon.

They could fold again before the season starts. :agree:

[calumhibee1]

I don't think its a case of walking away more stepping aside whilst Green and Co fall on their a*rses. Little or no season ticket money, no new sponsorships for the New Club, no players to sell, and first monthly wages due soon.

They could fold again before the season starts. :agree:
Who's monthly wages? Surely the Newco don't have any employees yet?

[CropleyWasGod]

Who's monthly wages? Surely the Newco don't have any employees yet?

They will probably have the admin staff, who will have transferred their employments. Those people don't have the luxury of being paid megabucks by an alternative employer in the Midlands of England.

[sadtom]

Jesus wept! That hun website is like a peek into the land that time forgot. This was my particular fav, not a punctuation mark to speak of.

"hate this little rat regan so ****in mutch my ****in teeth hurt I hope to god I don't run into him I'd get lifted and that's no threat of me hitting his we all need to stand up to these *******s they are trying to distroy ower proddy way of life this is not just about killing the gers its as I said destroying
ower proddy way of life we all must do what we can to keep it do not let them win"

Managed to spell our as 'ower' not once but twice!!
This is the level of intellegence we are up against. Not exactly a mensa convention is it?

[ScottB]

I don't think its a case of walking away more stepping aside whilst Green and Co fall on their a*rses. Little or no season ticket money, no new sponsorships for the New Club, no players to sell, and first monthly wages due soon.

They could fold again before the season starts. :agree:

The wording definitely sounds like they expect Green to crash and burn. If he can't even state his funding levels and who is involved with him to a consortium of potential investors, that says it all. Unless of course that is all just a play to keep the Rangers fans against Green, but I can't see the need for that.

Good to see they've strenuously applied the 'fit and proper' persons test to the Green group then...

[MrSmith]

Uncle Wattie's paid lip service in order to come across as a wanna be saviour in the eyes of the masses ...

This will be to subvert attention away from the glaring, although alleged, EBT/Dual contracts that he was allegedly part of!

I can see sphincters a twitchin ... how many will try the steer to ensure HMRC do not come a knockin'?

[EuanH78]

So Walter DOES do walking away..... had his wee bit of PR and now offski....

More likely realises he's about to be shat on from a great height by the taxman I would wager.

[green glory]

More likely realises he's about to be shat on from a great height by the taxman I would wager.

Aye. Souness too. For sure.

[Brando7]

Could Green draft up an agreement saying that he will allow RFC(IA) to play at Ibrox if they are still in SPL as a means of making sure that the old club meet SPL membership and retain their SPL share?

He could lease them the use of the ground, players not transferred yet so i guess they still employed by oldhuns?

[green glory]

https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/215092593791467523

Tee-hee. I can't get enough of this.

[StevieC]

I don't think its a case of walking away more stepping aside whilst Green and Co fall on their a*rses. Little or no season ticket money, no new sponsorships for the New Club, no players to sell, and first monthly wages due soon.
They could fold again before the season starts. :agree:

I'm thinking the same.

The Green bid is based on them getting the SPL share and playing in the SPL .. neither are a "given" at the moment.

The Green takeover, whilst we're told is "binding", isn't actually completed fully until the end of July (if I remember rightly). If they miss out on either the SPL share/status then I suspect they'll simply pull the plug on the deal. That's when WS and Co. will step in and purchase what they need, possibly from the liquidator(?).

[Cabbage East]

http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619)

:faf:

[Off the bar]

https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/215092593791467523

Tee-hee. I can't get enough of this.


your right! this just gets better and better, anyone care to guess the nature of this next fraud? gota be souness and dodgy payments for signing Tugay when at blackburn and Boumsong when at newcastle those two transfers just stink, the nets closing now!

get it up you ya hun *******s! see you in four seasons if your not bust again!

[green glory]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619

[Suburban Hibby]

your right! this just gets better and better, anyone care to guess the nature of this next fraud? gota be souness and dodgy payments for signing Tugay when at blackburn and Boumsong when at newcastle those two transfers just stink, the nets closing now!

get it up you ya hun *******s! see you in four seasons if your not bust again!

can you post what has been tweeted?

[Off the bar]

can you post what has been tweeted?


alex thomson ‏@alextomo (https://twitter.com/alextomo)

Lawyer connected to fmr Rangers manager tells ‪#c4news‬ (https://twitter.com/search/%23c4news) "there's a massive fraud in Rangers waiting to come out"



instead of working, each day I'm now just going to get a deck chair, some pop corn and sit back and enjoy RFC falling apart! happy days

[BoltonHibee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619

"The proposed name for the new Rangers company is 'The Rangers Football Club Ltd'. All UK companies limited by liability via shares or guarantee must end with 'Limited' or 'Ltd.' - only public companies traded on the stock exchange can end in PLC or P.L.C."

Not sure that is factually correct

[green glory]

can you post what has been tweeted?

https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/214846901722419200

[IWasThere2016]

alex thomson ‏@alextomo (https://twitter.com/alextomo)

Lawyer connected to fmr Rangers manager tells ‪#c4news‬ (https://twitter.com/search/%23c4news) "there's a massive fraud in Rangers waiting to come out"



instead of working, each day I'm now just going to get a deck chair, some pop corn and sit back and enjoy RFC falling apart! happy days

Pop corn .. some champers more like :cheers:

[jgl07]

"The proposed name for the new Rangers company is 'The Rangers Football Club Ltd'.

The Rangers Football Club Ltd is an anagram for:

Flute Cabals Debt Throng Roll

[WindyMiller]

The Rangers Football Club Limited is an anagram for:

Flute Cabals Debt Throng Roll


I always new that how it would all come out.


:cb















:dizzy:

[EuanH78]

The Rangers Football Club Limited is an anagram for:

Flute Cabals Debt Throng Roll

Also,

Athletic Ramblers Flute Blooding :greengrin

[Hin10]

Also,

Athletic Ramblers Flute Blooding :greengrin

A A Clobbered Refilling Sloth Mutt
A A Clobbered Theft Misruling Toll
A A Clobbered Theft Mortising Lull
A A Clobbered Glutton Filler Smith

I'll get ma coat

[Brando7]

today just gets better n better

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619


BBC Scotland has learned that Charles Green's Sevco 5088 company is not currently permitted to inherit the name "The Rangers Football Club".

Any attempt to adopt the name "The Rangers Football Club" would require the approval of the liquidators, BDO.

Companies House has said that a name change application has not been made by Sevco 5088, and may not be possible.

The consortium insists the full name will be transferred over to Sevco 5088 in due course.

"The Rangers Football Club P.L.C.", which has the registered company number SC004276, has not yet been dissolved, but will inevitably be liquidated due to unpaid debts.

BBC Scotland can confirm that the company's liquidators, BDO, have not yet taken control of the company's affairs, and may not do so for some time.
Continue reading the main story

“Sevco 5088 would not be able to apply to change its name to The Rangers Football Club Ltd. until either the original company is fully dissolved, a process which can take about a year to complete, or the receivers give the go-ahead for the name change to take place”

Companies House spokesperson

Green's consortium confirmed to BBC Scotland that a purchase of the assets and intellectual property of The Rangers Football Club P.L.C. has been concluded with the administrators Duff & Phelps, which includes the company name.

The consortium insists the full name will be transferred in due course and that a name change is not currently an issue because liquidation of the old company has not yet commenced.

However, a Companies House spokesperson told BBC Scotland: "Sevco 5088 would not be able to apply to change its name to 'The Rangers Football Club Ltd' until either the original company is fully dissolved, a process which can take about a year to complete, or the receivers give the go-ahead for the name change to take place.

"From a regulations standpoint, once the receivers or the liquidators/administrators for the current PLC agree to a name change, Sevco 5088 could then apply to change its name to 'The Rangers Football Club Ltd'.

"If they apply without following this procedure, systems are in place to flag up names which are too similar."

Article 10.7 of the Scottish FA's Articles of Association states that the name of a club cannot be changed without board approval, while Article 74.2 states that a club's name cannot be changed to anything linked with sponsorship.

The Scottish Premier League has no specific regulations regarding the naming of clubs or their parent companies.

Green's newco continues to trade under the name Sevco 5088, which has the company number 08011390, meaning it was registered in England. The sole director listed on the Companies House website is Charles Alexander Green.

The 'Sevco' prefix is a generic company name, often used by organisations which register companies on someone else's behalf. Sevco names can be registered in bulk through Companies House and renamed at a later date as long as strict naming criteria are met.

Companies House is a government agency run by the department of business and enterprise and deals with the registration and incorporation of UK businesses. All documentation relating to limited companies, including information such as company names, directors, accounts and share allocations, must be processed through the agency.

The proposed name for the new Rangers company is 'The Rangers Football Club Ltd'. All UK companies limited by liability via shares or guarantee must end with 'Limited' or 'Ltd.' - only public companies traded on the stock exchange can end in PLC or P.L.C.

Shares in Rangers Football Club were suspended from the Plus Stock Exchange on 9 January.

Other companies currently registered at Companies House with similar names include: Rangers Limited, Rangers.co.uk Limited, The Rangers FC Group Limited, Rangers Football Club of Glasgow Ltd, Rangers GB Limited and Rangers (2012) Ltd.

[HibsMax]

The Rangers Football Club Limited is an anagram for:

Flute Cabals Debt Throng Roll

I ended up with an extra "e" but my first attempt resulted in :

Half Bog-bear Troll C***s

I've never heard of such a thing but if it exists it most certainly frequents Ibrox.

[CropleyWasGod]

"The proposed name for the new Rangers company is 'The Rangers Football Club Ltd'. All UK companies limited by liability via shares or guarantee must end with 'Limited' or 'Ltd.' - only public companies traded on the stock exchange can end in PLC or P.L.C."

Not sure that is factually correct

It's certainly not. Companies limited by Guarantee do not have "Limited" at the end of their name.

[Caversham Green]

"The proposed name for the new Rangers company is 'The Rangers Football Club Ltd'. All UK companies limited by liability via shares or guarantee must end with 'Limited' or 'Ltd.' - only public companies traded on the stock exchange can end in PLC or P.L.C."

Not sure that is factually correct


It's certainly not. Companies limited by Guarantee do not have "Limited" at the end of their name.

And a company can have PLC after its name without being traded in the stock exchange. Spot on other than that though.

[CropleyWasGod]

And a company can have PLC after its name without being traded in the stock exchange. Spot on other than that though.

Hibs.net.... serving the truth since 1875. :greengrin

[jgl07]

Hibs.net.... serving the truth since 1875. :greengrin

Rangers FC not paying taxes since 1690.

[HibbyRod]

Anagram for "The Rangers Football Club Limited" =

Flute Idiots Calm Global Brethren :greengrin

[stokesmessiah]

For anybody wishing away your last wee bit before departing home and looking for some "entertainment"...Have a gander at this thread post#28 and beyond. I hope they disappear forever.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223220&st=20

[JohnStephens91]

For anybody wishing away your last wee bit before departing home and looking for some "entertainment"...Have a gander at this thread post#28 and beyond. I hope they disappear forever.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223220&st=20

That probably sums up their jakey support. The Big Hoose is clearly a crack den. Also seeing some of the other posts is ridiculous, giving up your season ticket because Mo Johnstone is nothing short of a joke.

[Saorsa]

Jesus wept! That hun website is like a peek into the land that time forgot. This was my particular fav, not a punctuation mark to speak of.

"hate this little rat regan so ****in mutch my ****in teeth hurt I hope to god I don't run into him I'd get lifted and that's no threat of me hitting his we all need to stand up to these *******s they are trying to distroy ower proddy way of life this is not just about killing the gers its as I said destroying
ower proddy way of life we all must do what we can to keep it do not let them win"

Managed to spell our as 'ower' not once but twice!!
This is the level of intellegence we are up against. Not exactly a mensa convention is it?:hilarious

and this is a club and these are the sort of people Jim Traynor thinks that Scottish fitba cannae dae without, deary me. Think I'd like tae try it, ta. :bye:



when you look at the time and date on that forum does the year say 2012? or does it say something like 1592?

[Leith Green]

Surely now any game involving Celtic vs NewCo can no longer be called the Old Firm? Or indeed they can no longer be called this right?

[joe breezy]

This story just keeps on giving...

I get a bit frustrated now and then as want them dead but they are already yet it just gets worse for them

Hurrah!

[Bobo]

Anagram for "The Rangers Football Club Limited" =

Flute Idiots Calm Global Brethren :greengrin


"The Rangers Football Club Limited" = Full Time Cheats Gain Debt - Rob & Roll

Thought I'd almost summed them up perfectly :greengrin but had to add the amperand as I couldn't make anything else out the last bit.

[snooky]

So Walter DOES do walking away..... had his wee bit of PR and now offski....

Surely he's no' a Wattie bide awa? :wink:

[green glory]

https://twitter.com/pmacgiollabhain/status/215167753315823616

There may be trouble ahead, do do do!

[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/pmacgiollabhain/status/215167753315823616

There may be trouble ahead, do do do!

Christ I HATE twitter..... You just get a wee teaser :-(

If true Could be REALLY bad for 'em..... Poor dears...... LOL! :-)

[alnewhaven]

It's certainly not. Companies limited by Guarantee do not have "Limited" at the end of their name.

You sure? One of my clients is limited by guarantee and has Limited after the name.

[CropleyWasGod]

You sure? One of my clients is limited by guarantee and has Limited after the name.

They shouldn't do, apparently.

I had a few sets of accounts knocked back by Companies House for putting Limited in the name. They were all within a year of each other, and it may be that CH were having a crackdown at that time. As you'll know, they are not the best at scrutinising accounts properly.

Now, the accounts have X (Limited by Guarantee) rather than X Limited.

Best way to check is look on the register.

[CropleyWasGod]

Surely now any game involving Celtic vs NewCo can no longer be called the Old Firm? Or indeed they can no longer be called this right?

If I know my history, they haven't been the Old Firm for a long time. In the early years, they were pals (hence the OF tag), and it was only after the end of the First World War (unemployment, Irish/Scottish tensions, gang culture) that they started to hate each other.

(disclaimer.... I'm an accountant, no a historian... so be gentle with your kicking when you tell me I'm talking mince).

[Phil D. Rolls]

If I know my history, they haven't been the Old Firm for a long time. In the early years, they were pals (hence the OF tag), and it was only after the end of the First World War (unemployment, Irish/Scottish tensions, gang culture) that they started to hate each other.

(disclaimer.... I'm an accountant, no a historian... so be gentle with your kicking when you tell me I'm talking mince).

A convenient method for Britain to divide and rule following the "uprising" at George Square.

[Emerald]

I think there is less and less chance of Rangers playing any football next year. There is more leaking out all the time and with WS pulling out so quick I just feel they know more than is being said. Also, the Rangers people are starting to use a different form of words when talking to the press. Things like "we should take our punishment" and "try to be more sypathetic to other clubs" were all mentioned on the news tonight. I really think they are ****ed and the grovelling is about to begin big style. As soon as the SPL turf them out, the Newco will run for the hills. :thumbsup:

[stantonhibby]

I think there is less and less chance of Rangers playing any football next year. There is more leaking out all the time and with WS pulling out so quick I just feel they know more than is being said. Also, the Rangers people are starting to use a different form of words when talking to the press. Things like "we should take our punishment" and "try to be more sypathetic to other clubs" were all mentioned on the news tonight. I really think they are ****ed and the grovelling is about to begin big style. As soon as the SPL turf them out, the Newco will run for the hills. :thumbsup:

Roughly what I heard today from a journo pal. Expelled/Suspended from all competitions for next season and then into a new ' SPL 2 ' for 2013/14.

[Leithenhibby]

Roughly what I heard today from a journo pal. Expelled/Suspended from all competitions for next season and then into a new ' SPL 2 ' for 2013/14.

Nobody is throwing their money at them now, so who is going to throw money at a team that "maybe" out for a season and only have a bunch of kids playing for them! :wink:

I wonder what tomorrow will bring! :greengrin

[joe breezy]

Interesting update on kerrydale street

"Update on Double Contracts from someone I know.
SPL dotting I's and Crossing T's to ensure it is watertight Mark Daly has been interviewed by SPL
to collaborate the evidence More high profile figures to be implicated in a massive fraud scandal Offshore bank accounts in different
names (smith, sally) Traynor involved Sportsound team being interview at BBC to see if there were involved (dodds wont work for BBC again) As CVA didnt go through whyte still owns 85% of oldco BDO consulted court of session on how to procede with criminal charges."

[BroxburnHibee]

I think there is less and less chance of Rangers playing any football next year. There is more leaking out all the time and with WS pulling out so quick I just feel they know more than is being said. Also, the Rangers people are starting to use a different form of words when talking to the press. Things like "we should take our punishment" and "try to be more sypathetic to other clubs" were all mentioned on the news tonight. I really think they are ****ed and the grovelling is about to begin big style. As soon as the SPL turf them out, the Newco will run for the hills. :thumbsup:


Roughly what I heard today from a journo pal. Expelled/Suspended from all competitions for next season and then into a new ' SPL 2 ' for 2013/14.

Personally I think it should be Div 3 application but understand SPL2 is more likely.

They're definitely not getting voted back in though IMO - as others have pointed out it just cant happen.

SPL/SFA are just hiding behind their rules - I think this 2 week deadline will be the judgement day. :thumbsup:

[green glory]

Interesting update on kerrydale street

"Update on Double Contracts from someone I know.
SPL dotting I's and Crossing T's to ensure it is watertight Mark Daly has been interviewed by SPL
to collaborate the evidence More high profile figures to be implicated in a massive fraud scandal Offshore bank accounts in different
names (smith, sally) Traynor involved Sportsound team being interview at BBC to see if there were involved (dodds wont work for BBC again) As CVA didnt go through whyte still owns 85% of oldco BDO consulted court of session on how to procede with criminal charges."

Tray or involved? Would explain a lot if true.

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting update on kerrydale street

"Update on Double Contracts from someone I know.
SPL dotting I's and Crossing T's to ensure it is watertight Mark Daly has been interviewed by SPL
to collaborate the evidence More high profile figures to be implicated in a massive fraud scandal Offshore bank accounts in different
names (smith, sally) Traynor involved Sportsound team being interview at BBC to see if there were involved (dodds wont work for BBC again) As CVA didnt go through whyte still owns 85% of oldco BDO consulted court of session on how to procede with criminal charges."

It was all looking so good until that bit of keech.... :greengrin

ps love the phrase "collaborate the evidence"

[Lungo--Drom]

I think Celtic could still be referred to as "Old Firm" but The Rangers NewHuncCo are clearly not an old firm or indeed one of the Old Firm.

Of course as everyone on this esteemed forum knows, the troglodyte crack den dwellers who 'follow follow' The Rangers will still think they are 'The Old Firm' and that their ground is still 'The Big Hoose'.


Surely now any game involving Celtic vs NewCo can no longer be called the Old Firm? Or indeed they can no longer be called this right?

[Bishop Hibee]

Roughly what I heard today from a journo pal. Expelled/Suspended from all competitions for next season and then into a new ' SPL 2 ' for 2013/14.

This sounds like a goer. I would laugh my ass off at no newco for a season and the newco then being allowed into an SPL 2. Sadly, they were/are never going to 'die' completely despite the severing of the history. It will be the same knuckle draggers back at Ibrox but the humiliation this would heap upon them would be adequate punishment. The season with no team to support will help them understand that they can't do what they want with impunity.

[joe breezy]

It was all looking so good until that bit of keech.... :greengrin

ps love the phrase "collaborate the evidence"

May well be made up pish but almost nothing seems implausible now in this saga :)

[joe breezy]

I think Celtic could still be referred to as "Old Firm" but The Rangers NewHuncCo are clearly not an old firm or indeed one of the Old Firm.

Of course as everyone on this esteemed forum knows, the troglodyte crack den dwellers who 'follow follow' The Rangers will still think they are 'The Old Firm' and that their ground is still 'The Big Hoose'.

Celtic fans hate the OF term and say its dead forever as far as they're concerned

[TheEastTerrace]

Interesting update on kerrydale street

"Update on Double Contracts from someone I know.
SPL dotting I's and Crossing T's to ensure it is watertight Mark Daly has been interviewed by SPL
to collaborate the evidence More high profile figures to be implicated in a massive fraud scandal Offshore bank accounts in different
names (smith, sally) Traynor involved Sportsound team being interview at BBC to see if there were involved (dodds wont work for BBC again) As CVA didnt go through whyte still owns 85% of oldco BDO consulted court of session on how to procede with criminal charges."

There is some chatter in twitter about falsification of accounts by former Rangers execs too

[Ryan91]

There is some chatter in twitter about falsification of accounts by former Rangers execs too

The longer this whole saga has gone on the worse it has become for people involved in Rangers. BBC revealing that Rangers did indeed use EBTs as a means of evading tax payments and that Murray never put a penny of his own money in. Once BDO start the liquidation process I could see a lot of criminal charges being brought forward against certain individuals, of course this assumes that some of these people don't high-tail it out of the country first.

[The Green Goblin]

Interesting update on kerrydale street

"Update on Double Contracts from someone I know.
SPL dotting I's and Crossing T's to ensure it is watertight Mark Daly has been interviewed by SPL
to collaborate the evidence More high profile figures to be implicated in a massive fraud scandal Offshore bank accounts in different
names (smith, sally) Traynor involved Sportsound team being interviewed at BBC to see if they were involved (dodds wont work for BBC again) As CVA didnt go through whyte still owns 85% of oldco BDO consulted court of session on how to procede with criminal charges."


Wow!! That would be a massive story. MASSIVE!

[Dashing Bob S]

Roughly what I heard today from a journo pal. Expelled/Suspended from all competitions for next season and then into a new ' SPL 2 ' for 2013/14.

I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.

[StevieC]

Roughly what I heard today from a journo pal. Expelled/Suspended from all competitions for next season and then into a new ' SPL 2 ' for 2013/14.


So which division has to play with a team short???

[jgl07]

So which division has to play with a team short???


Spartans will get into Division Three.

[joe breezy]

If the story does get worse for the corrupt Huns then I don't see why Sevcowhatever should be allowed straight in to SPL2 without coming up from the bottom league

Seems crazy....they won't be such a big club by then either

Airdrie or Hearts will have garnered more bigots by then

[joe breezy]

A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.


I'm tired, so tired of this, but I won't relinquish, I won't give up on my club, because I know that we have something they don't have. Something they crave, something that eats at them, so much it's the driving force behind all of the above. And no matter what happens and how this pans out, they still won't have it. It's a feeling of superiority over them, they hate us for it. That incessant feeling of being inferior to us will never go away no matter what the future holds.

I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

Ha ha ha...

[Haymaker]

Jesus, I have heard of paranoid but that is mental.

[Cabbage East]

Completely unhinged.

[Onion]

I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.

Well summed up :agree:

[stokesmessiah]

A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.


I'm tired, so tired of this, but I won't relinquish, I won't give up on my club, because I know that we have something they don't have. Something they crave, something that eats at them, so much it's the driving force behind all of the above. And no matter what happens and how this pans out, they still won't have it. It's a feeling of superiority over them, they hate us for it. That incessant feeling of being inferior to us will never go away no matter what the future holds.

I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

Ha ha ha...

That is something that tickles me in the morning. Talk about morons!! They just can't seem to understand that this is of their own doing, fuelled by their greed and more importantly SDM's.

[WindyMiller]

I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.


Hopefully when it all comes out we won't have to keep reading p15h like this;



The club has subjected its followers to various indignities over the past couple of years and not the least of them is an obligation to assert endlessly the continued ownership of their own back story. Rangers are being told – forcibly and repeatedly – that they have "lost" their history. No ifs, no buts: it was flushed away when Rangers Football Club plc was plunged into liquidation last Thursday. Nine-in-a-row? Barcelona 1972? Others would scoop those memories out of their brains if they could.

Scottish football is still getting its head around the full implications of Rangers being liquidated and attempting to pull the pieces back together in order to continue playing next season. Even that sort of innocuous statement can bring a swift slapdown from the armies of angry detractors populating the social media: get it into your head, there is no Rangers, they're dead and gone, deceased, the SPL's ex-parrot. According to the more hysterical, even referring to them as Rangers at all it is "peddling the myth that they are alive and well". Many won't be happy unless every mention comes with some sort of footnote, suffix or asterisk, lest anyone be under the impression that a skeletal hand is rising up through the soil on Rangers' grave.


Well, fine, the point has been made often enough by now. But if people are going to carry on hectoring about what they should really be called every time the word "Rangers" is used, this will soon become tedious beyond belief. It's one of those contrived issues, really. No-one in offices, cafes or pubs is going to go around calling them anything but Rangers for very long, regardless of what it says on the paperwork at Companies House. It's the obvious and inevitable shorthand for the football club playing its home games at Ibrox next season.


Rangers fans will simply have to suck it up for a while, in the hope that Celtic supporters and others will eventually exhaust themselves in the schadenfreude of their numerous embarrassments. They insist they should be called Sevco 5088, or Club 12, or Zombie FC, or countless unprintable alternatives, and there was further grist to the mill when it emerged yesterday that the Charles Green consortium cannot yet legally use the name "The Rangers Football Club", as they intend to. That title will have to be approved by liquidators BDO, and BDO cannot give that approval because they have yet to take control of the club's affairs.


It amounts to yet another little defeat in a seemingly endless sequence of them, not to mention confusing the issue of what working name should be used between Green and the SPL while the former tries to secure the latter's approval at a meeting of all 12 member clubs on June 4.


Most Rangers fans long for a future when the club has navigated itself back to prominence in the SPL, winning trophies and playing to full houses at Ibrox. In the meantime they will insist that the newco is a continuation of their history, and to hell with what anyone else says. They will watch a team in blue at Ibrox, they'll sing the same songs, cherish the same heroes – Jim Baxter, Davie Cooper, Ian Durrant – and buy scarves and flags celebrating nine straight titles and a European Cup-Winners' Cup.


The notion that none of that would be the newco's history is not going to be taken seriously anywhere around Ibrox. The line taken by the club itself will be that both the oldco and the newco amount to the corporate structure running Rangers Football Club, which was the entity which won all the trophies and which carries on regardless. Expect to see all the silverware – the 54 titles, 60 domestic cups and European trophy – being listed in the match programme the next time they play at home.


The obvious comparison is how Airdrie United deal with Airdrieonians' history. Airdrie United was formed in 2002 after Airdrieonians went bust. They secured a place in the Scottish Football League by buying out Clydebank FC, relocating it to Airdrie and changing the strips to the old Airdrieonians colours. In essence, the club which finished fourth in the Second Division last season is a reincarnation of Clydebank which its supporters see instead as a reborn Airdrieonians. Under "Club History" on their website, the headline reads: "The Past Cannot be Forgotten". The section highlights that Airdrieonians played in four Scottish Cup finals, winning one, and played in Europe in 1992. Great old names like Hughie Gallacher and Bob McPhail are celebrated.


"Their" history is Airdieonians' rather than Clydebank's for one simple reason: it is their supporters' wish. It will be the same at Rangers, no matter how often the realities of liquidation and newco status are hammered home to them by others insisting that they have a clean slate and no right to celebrate what "another club" won.


In one regard the history of Rangers is way too significant for petty pointscoring. The club suffered Scottish football's greatest loss of life when 66 fans died in the 1971 Ibrox disaster, a tragedy mourned by fans of all clubs but most deeply felt by Rangers. That memory must endure, commemorated annually and visibly. What happened on Stairway 13 is as poignantly relevant to any new Rangers as it was to the old one.




Bringing up the Ibrox disaster is just risible.

[lapsedhibee]

A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.


I'm tired, so tired of this, but I won't relinquish, I won't give up on my club, because I know that we have something they don't have. Something they crave, something that eats at them, so much it's the driving force behind all of the above. And no matter what happens and how this pans out, they still won't have it. It's a feeling of superiority over them, they hate us for it. That incessant feeling of being inferior to us will never go away no matter what the future holds.

I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

If that had been written as a satire, it would be absolute genius. If the author genuinely believes it, he needs serious professional help.

'mon the death of the Huns.:flag:

[EuanH78]

A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.


I'm tired, so tired of this, but I won't relinquish, I won't give up on my club, because I know that we have something they don't have. Something they crave, something that eats at them, so much it's the driving force behind all of the above. And no matter what happens and how this pans out, they still won't have it. It's a feeling of superiority over them, they hate us for it. That incessant feeling of being inferior to us will never go away no matter what the future holds.

I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

Ha ha ha...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM

:greengrin

[joe breezy]

Where is the sycophantic article you quoted from Windy Miller?

[John_the_angus_hibby]

Hopefully when it all comes out we won't have to keep reading p15h like this;



The club has subjected its followers to various indignities over the past couple of years and not the least of them is an obligation to assert endlessly the continued ownership of their own back story. Rangers are being told – forcibly and repeatedly – that they have "lost" their history. No ifs, no buts: it was flushed away when Rangers Football Club plc was plunged into liquidation last Thursday. Nine-in-a-row? Barcelona 1972? Others would scoop those memories out of their brains if they could.

Scottish football is still getting its head around the full implications of Rangers being liquidated and attempting to pull the pieces back together in order to continue playing next season. Even that sort of innocuous statement can bring a swift slapdown from the armies of angry detractors populating the social media: get it into your head, there is no Rangers, they're dead and gone, deceased, the SPL's ex-parrot. According to the more hysterical, even referring to them as Rangers at all it is "peddling the myth that they are alive and well". Many won't be happy unless every mention comes with some sort of footnote, suffix or asterisk, lest anyone be under the impression that a skeletal hand is rising up through the soil on Rangers' grave.


Well, fine, the point has been made often enough by now. But if people are going to carry on hectoring about what they should really be called every time the word "Rangers" is used, this will soon become tedious beyond belief. It's one of those contrived issues, really. No-one in offices, cafes or pubs is going to go around calling them anything but Rangers for very long, regardless of what it says on the paperwork at Companies House. It's the obvious and inevitable shorthand for the football club playing its home games at Ibrox next season.


Rangers fans will simply have to suck it up for a while, in the hope that Celtic supporters and others will eventually exhaust themselves in the schadenfreude of their numerous embarrassments. They insist they should be called Sevco 5088, or Club 12, or Zombie FC, or countless unprintable alternatives, and there was further grist to the mill when it emerged yesterday that the Charles Green consortium cannot yet legally use the name "The Rangers Football Club", as they intend to. That title will have to be approved by liquidators BDO, and BDO cannot give that approval because they have yet to take control of the club's affairs.


It amounts to yet another little defeat in a seemingly endless sequence of them, not to mention confusing the issue of what working name should be used between Green and the SPL while the former tries to secure the latter's approval at a meeting of all 12 member clubs on June 4.


Most Rangers fans long for a future when the club has navigated itself back to prominence in the SPL, winning trophies and playing to full houses at Ibrox. In the meantime they will insist that the newco is a continuation of their history, and to hell with what anyone else says. They will watch a team in blue at Ibrox, they'll sing the same songs, cherish the same heroes – Jim Baxter, Davie Cooper, Ian Durrant – and buy scarves and flags celebrating nine straight titles and a European Cup-Winners' Cup.


The notion that none of that would be the newco's history is not going to be taken seriously anywhere around Ibrox. The line taken by the club itself will be that both the oldco and the newco amount to the corporate structure running Rangers Football Club, which was the entity which won all the trophies and which carries on regardless. Expect to see all the silverware – the 54 titles, 60 domestic cups and European trophy – being listed in the match programme the next time they play at home.


The obvious comparison is how Airdrie United deal with Airdrieonians' history. Airdrie United was formed in 2002 after Airdrieonians went bust. They secured a place in the Scottish Football League by buying out Clydebank FC, relocating it to Airdrie and changing the strips to the old Airdrieonians colours. In essence, the club which finished fourth in the Second Division last season is a reincarnation of Clydebank which its supporters see instead as a reborn Airdrieonians. Under "Club History" on their website, the headline reads: "The Past Cannot be Forgotten". The section highlights that Airdrieonians played in four Scottish Cup finals, winning one, and played in Europe in 1992. Great old names like Hughie Gallacher and Bob McPhail are celebrated.


"Their" history is Airdieonians' rather than Clydebank's for one simple reason: it is their supporters' wish. It will be the same at Rangers, no matter how often the realities of liquidation and newco status are hammered home to them by others insisting that they have a clean slate and no right to celebrate what "another club" won.


In one regard the history of Rangers is way too significant for petty pointscoring. The club suffered Scottish football's greatest loss of life when 66 fans died in the 1971 Ibrox disaster, a tragedy mourned by fans of all clubs but most deeply felt by Rangers. That memory must endure, commemorated annually and visibly. What happened on Stairway 13 is as poignantly relevant to any new Rangers as it was to the old one.




Bringing up the Ibrox disaster is just risible.

It's actually one of the more sensible or balanced outpourings to be fair. The author is probably correct in that if they are restarted in some format at one point in the future in some league the supporters will see a continuum with the past. Which in their case also means sectarian bile. The Ibrox disaster example is used for dramatic effect and it is their memory to use in the same way that any disaster/meaningful event is ours to use. It's not risible but just possibly tasteless. And also they will never admit as a support that it is their actions and blind support of SDM and his management of them as a club that is the destroyer of all that history. They have destroyed their club.

[The Falcon]

I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.


If any of the KDS post is remotely accurate then we are not going to get anywhere near a vote. They will be booted, and charged.

[s.a.m]

If any of the KDS post is remotely accurate then we are not going to get anywhere near a vote. They will be booted, and charged.

...Celtic fan's wishful thinking, maybe? If they are found guilty on the EBT thing, though, a year's chucking out would seem reasonable. It seemed strange that WS and Ally weren't on the EBT list that was published, when everyone else and their granny's dug was. But you'd think that if they were likely to be implicated, they'd be keeping their heads down.:dunno:

Likewise Traynor. That would be superb, though.:greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

If I know my history, they haven't been the Old Firm for a long time. In the early years, they were pals (hence the OF tag), and it was only after the end of the First World War (unemployment, Irish/Scottish tensions, gang culture) that they started to hate each other.

(disclaimer.... I'm an accountant, no a historian... so be gentle with your kicking when you tell me I'm talking mince).

I think that's more or less right, CWG. The "Old Firm" tag dates from the 1909 cup final. They played out 2 draws and were heading for a second replay. The suspicion among the crowd was that the results were fixed to have money spinning extra games and when it was announced there would be no extra time, the crowd rioted. The only peacetime Scottish Cup not awarded iirc.

[bighairyfaeleith]

...Celtic fan's wishful thinking, maybe? If they are found guilty on the EBT thing, though, a year's chucking out would seem reasonable. It seemed strange that WS and Ally weren't on the EBT list that was published, when everyone else and their granny's dug was. But you'd think that if they were likely to be implicated, they'd be keeping their heads down.:dunno:

Likewise Traynor. That would be superb, though.:greengrin

maybe uncle walter and fat sally are the moles. Perhaps they have orchestrated this whole thing to get there greasy little hands on rangers!! maybe no likes:wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

A Hun writes

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration,

Bill Struth, the most culpable for turning them into the engine of bigotry they became. The speech referred to contains the line "we welcome the chase". Well here's some news for you, Huns:

We don't welcome the cheats!

[JeMeSouviens]

It's actually one of the more sensible or balanced outpourings to be fair. The author is probably correct in that if they are restarted in some format at one point in the future in some league the supporters will see a continuum with the past. Which in their case also means sectarian bile. The Ibrox disaster example is used for dramatic effect and it is their memory to use in the same way that any disaster/meaningful event is ours to use. It's not risible but just possibly tasteless. And also they will never admit as a support that it is their actions and blind support of SDM and his management of them as a club that is the destroyer of all that history. They have destroyed their club.

:agree: An absolute tragedy. What you don't often hear about it is that it was the third crushing event on that stairway within the space of 10 years or so and that the first had already caused 2 deaths. Rangers failed its own.

[alnewhaven]

They shouldn't do, apparently.

I had a few sets of accounts knocked back by Companies House for putting Limited in the name. They were all within a year of each other, and it may be that CH were having a crackdown at that time. As you'll know, they are not the best at scrutinising accounts properly.

Now, the accounts have X (Limited by Guarantee) rather than X Limited.

Best way to check is look on the register.

Just checked and definitely shows just "Limited". Because its ltd by guarantee we have to lodgethe a/cs manually rather than online so surprised they havent picked up on it if its wrong. Pretty sure if it was signed using wrong colour of ink it would have been rejected!!

[HFC 0-7]

A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.


I'm tired, so tired of this, but I won't relinquish, I won't give up on my club, because I know that we have something they don't have. Something they crave, something that eats at them, so much it's the driving force behind all of the above. And no matter what happens and how this pans out, they still won't have it. It's a feeling of superiority over them, they hate us for it. That incessant feeling of being inferior to us will never go away no matter what the future holds.

I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

Ha ha ha...

Deluded. Massive fine? not for the crimes! Bendtner got fined 80K for showing his pants!

[joe breezy]

I think that's more or less right, CWG. The "Old Firm" tag dates from the 1909 cup final. They played out 2 draws and were heading for a second replay. The suspicion among the crowd was that the results were fixed to have money spinning extra games and when it was announced there would be no extra time, the crowd rioted. The only peacetime Scottish Cup not awarded iirc.

I always took the Old Firm tag to mean clubbing together for commercial interests.
This will be the first time in recent history they haven't done so.

They do it with their sponsors and they have been doing it with league voting

The Celtic fans seem happy to accept their club having less power votes and even financially if it means getting rid of the huns

[ScottB]

Apparently Club 12 have lined up a glamour friendly against Spanish Giants Club 18-30


:greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

The wilder reaches of the interwebby thing are alive with Hunnery related rumours today. The most commonly recurring words and phrases being things like "fraud" and "falsified accounts". :wink:

[SuperTortolano]

To summarise the story so far, (as I see it), "huns" are almost dead but are being kept alive so that they can be flogged for past misdemeanours and chased for outstanding monies. "The huns" are debt free, punishment free, have their ground and players and the SFA / SPL doesn't have the backbone to implement their own rules. So it's up to the SPL teams (including huns???) to decide weather they want to properly punish "The huns", kicking them out of the SPL (which is what the majority of Scottish football fans want) or going for a quick buck and letting them play in a league that they had previously dominated by cheating.

Or have I got it wrong?

[stokesmessiah]

The wilder reaches of the interwebby thing are alive with Hunnery related rumours today. The most commonly recurring words and phrases being things like "fraud" and "falsified accounts". :wink:

I would love it if something else came creeping out their closet but in all honesty i think this is wild speculation that he been fuelled by Alex Thommo's tweet yesterday. He said that a lawyer of a former mngr told him that a massive fraud was going to come out of ibrox, it doesnt necessarily say that involves any new evidence though.

[Kojock]

And in the words of the baddies on Scooby Doo

"We would have got away with it if it weren't for them meddling Catholics, and their darn pope"

I love the way that when a decision goes against the Huns its all a big Fenian based conspiracy all trying to extinguish their Proddy way of life. :rolleyes:

[Sylar]

To summarise the story so far, (as I see it), "huns" are almost dead but are being kept alive so that they can be flogged for past misdemeanours and chased for outstanding monies. "The huns" are debt free, punishment free, have their ground and players and the SFA / SPL doesn't have the backbone to implement their own rules. So it's up to the SPL teams (including huns???) to decide weather they want to properly punish "The huns", kicking them out of the SPL (which is what the majority of Scottish football fans want) or going for a quick buck and letting them play in a league that they had previously dominated by cheating.

Or have I got it wrong?

Oi! :greengrin

I heard rumours about false accounting a while back but dismissed it as hyperbole in light of a continually unraveling saga.

Let the fun and games commence!

[Kato]

I love the way that when a decision goes against the Huns its all a big Fenian based conspiracy all trying to extinguish their Proddy way of life. :rolleyes:

....and Sir David Murray must be the biggest Fenian of them all.

Gawd Bless him I say.

[joe breezy]

To summarise the story so far, (as I see it), "huns" are almost dead but are being kept alive so that they can be flogged for past misdemeanours and chased for outstanding monies. "The huns" are debt free, punishment free, have their ground and players and the SFA / SPL doesn't have the backbone to implement their own rules. So it's up to the SPL teams (including huns???) to decide weather they want to properly punish "The huns", kicking them out of the SPL (which is what the majority of Scottish football fans want) or going for a quick buck and letting them play in a league that they had previously dominated by cheating.

Or have I got it wrong?

Is this another "they're going to get away with it aren't they?" post?

:greengrin

[Peevemor]

To summarise the story so far, (as I see it), "huns" are almost dead but are being kept alive so that they can be flogged for past misdemeanours and chased for outstanding monies. "The huns" are debt free, punishment free, have their ground and players and the SFA / SPL doesn't have the backbone to implement their own rules. So it's up to the SPL teams (including huns???) to decide weather they want to properly punish "The huns", kicking them out of the SPL (which is what the majority of Scottish football fans want) or going for a quick buck and letting them play in a league that they had previously dominated by cheating.

Or have I got it wrong?

I think that the delay is partly down to the possibility of there being criminal charges. Since the huns' biggest crime is the double contract/EBC/tax fraud thing, the football authorities have to be really careful that any decision they make must not be seen to prejudice any eventual criminal case.

An example of this was when Duncan Ferguson headbutted John McStay while on probation. The football autorities complicated things by judging and banning him before the criminal case was tried.

[Sylar]

There is serious discussion going on, on a few of the Rangers FC (RIP) forums which suggests that there's a very serious risk on the NewCo heading towards administration unless they can find a buyer/investor or a bank who will actually take them on as a client, as Green and his consortium cannot afford to float the New club.

Edit: If they don't currently have a bank, where would any ST money go (I'm aware the fans aren't exactly gobbling them up but surely some have forked out)?

[Andy74]

I'm getting more confident there will be no Rangers playing anywhere next season.

[stokesmessiah]

I'm getting more confident there will be no Rangers playing anywhere next season.

Stop talking dirty.

[lapsedhibee]

I heard rumours about false accounting a while back but dismissed it as hyperbola in light of a continually unraveling saga.

I'm seeing more of a parabola here in that the Huns have thrown something of a boomerang with their dual contracts which is now coming back, in a parabolic arc, to bite them on the erchie. (That's a toothed boomerang, obviously.)

[Sylar]

I'm seeing more of a parabola here in that the Huns have thrown something of a boomerang with their dual contracts which is now coming back, in a parabolic arc, to bite them on the erchie. (That's a toothed boomerang, obviously.)


Oops! :greengrin

That's a crossover from trying to write a paper at the same time as browsing message boards! :tee hee:

[ScottB]

There is serious discussion going on, on a few of the Rangers FC (RIP) forums which suggests that there's a very serious risk on the NewCo heading towards administration unless they can find a buyer/investor or a bank who will actually take them on as a client, as Green and his consortium cannot afford to float the New club.

Edit: If they don't currently have a bank, where would any ST money go (I'm aware the fans aren't exactly gobbling them up but surely some have forked out)?

Are they even allowed to sell Season Tickets yet? Surely they aren't 'legally' a football club yet?

Which does beg the question, where are the players and who is paying them? I assume they are all still registered to the Oldco, since Sevco again, isn't an actual football club yet, and we've seen nothing in the press about anyone agreeing / not agreeing to the transfer. I also have to wonder, who is paying them? Oldco has no funds, and neither it would appear does Newco. When those wage bills, tax instalments, Council Tax payments etc start landing, what happens? If there is no money, and it certainly looks that way (Uncle Wattie's statement certainly suggests that if nothing else), and there's no bank account, so no overdraft or loan facility open to them, then the club collapses again straight away?

Shows beyond doubt how incompetent (at best, if not downright corrupt) Duff & Phelps have been, there appears to have been no effort to ensure Green has the cash to run the club, there has been no cuts (Rangers must be the only club that haven't released any players yet this summer), no fit and proper person tests, since nobody but Green seems to know who and how many investors are with him...

Perhaps their best route out of this is for Sevco to collapse, the dust to settle, the investigations completed and punishments handed down to all involved in the last decade, then by next season somebody has bought the property, creates a totally new club and applies to SFL3. A clean break for all.

[Peevemor]

Perhaps their best route out of this is for Sevco to collapse, the dust to settle, the investigations completed and punishments handed down to all involved in the last decade, then by next season somebody has bought the property, creates a totally new club and applies to SFL3. A clean break for all.

:agree:

[ScottB]

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

[lapsedhibee]

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

Has Donkey "Neil" Doncaster resigned yet? :dunno:

[TrickyNicky]

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

Was that McCoist?

He brought round fresh batteries for my remote this morning!:wink:

[At The Edge]

On the subject of RFC/TRFC/Sevco selling ST's, the info is out to all previous ST's at Ibrox re. renewals, (price freeze for the 4th year in a row! :greengrin ) my mate at work says the deadline to renew is the end of June to keep his current seat, he like most of the folk he knows are certainly not renewing until they know if they have a team to watch and what division they'll be in.

[Benny Brazil]

Just spoke to a mate who works for Sky, they all got a briefing last night confirming Sky will continue to cover the SPL regardless of what happens to Rangers.

I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

[Just Alf]

I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

SKY were quoted in the press saying they'd continue but the terms would be less on renewal ..... I guess that might leave the door open for BT or ESPN to chip in?

[magpie1892]

Mildly interesting in the current context:

http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?page=news&cod=8199&tp=n

[Benny Brazil]

SKY were quoted in the press saying they'd continue but the terms would be less on renewal ..... I guess that might leave the door open for BT or ESPN to chip in?

Possibly - the one comment he made was - Sky always get what they pay for. Mind you the guy I play squash with is a Hun :greengrin

[calmac12000]

The Orcs needn't worry over much, their historie's' being kept alive and well, sort of.
http://www.club12.org/

[JeMeSouviens]

I would love it if something else came creeping out their closet but in all honesty i think this is wild speculation that he been fuelled by Alex Thommo's tweet yesterday. He said that a lawyer of a former mngr told him that a massive fraud was going to come out of ibrox, it doesnt necessarily say that involves any new evidence though.

Yes, you're probably right. The RTC poster "Barcabhoy" of the famous "nuclear option" posted shortly afterwards that the rumours around EBT payments to refs/journos etc were well wide of the mark but that Alex Thomson was on the right lines.

A lot of the wild speculation re the Huns has turned out to be bang on the money though. :greengrin

[IWasThere2016]

I'm getting more confident there will be no Rangers playing anywhere next season.

:pray:

[Lungo--Drom]

Dashing Bob, well put sir!


I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.

[Jack]

Deluded. Massive fine? not for the crimes! Bendtner got fined 80K for showing his pants!

Fantastic. They are winging about a massive £100,000 fine.

They currently owe £150,000,000 or thereabouts to everyone and everything they have touched outwith their vile institution over the last few years. How would they describe that?



Apparently Club 12 have lined up a glamour friendly against Spanish Giants Club 18-30


:greengrin

:faf: :faf:

[Lungo--Drom]

Hmmm, all that ranting and the daft Hun hasn't realised that from the very start Craig Whyte has got an 'h' after the first letter of his surnhame. He was really a Celtic phlant you fhools!!!


A Hun writes

"Not The Billy Boys but with Donald Findlay singing The Sash. From that moment we as a club allowed them to dictate our future.

The Billy Boys came next, then any song containing the word '******' until ultimately we were pretty much only allowed to sing nursery rhymes.

There teeth were truly into us now and there would be no stopping them. Again as a club we sat back and allowed them to do it.

The mhedia were now firmly in tow, reporting many many negative stories of Rangers fans home and abroad for any indiscretion. Players were castigated at every opportune moment too. Managers ridiculed in the national press like never before.

This was only the beginning.

Before we know it we are up for sale, at what price? People get nosy, start looking back into our finances and low and below the taxman comes calling.

The bheasts latch onto this with there already sunken teeth into us and instead of nibbling they start taking chunks.

They know the EBT case could be huge and devastating. They've manipulated the mhedia so much that they can't ignore a story like this. They run with it.

This puts pressure on Lloyds to ditch us, they basically force Murray to sell to the nearest dumbass.

In swings Craig Whyte swashing and buckling until we are knocked out of Europe early doors and his game plan goes tits up. Seeing we have no money to cover costs he starts using employees PAYE contributions to run the club.

Under scrutiny from HMRC already it isn't long before this information is leaked. If CW has no money how did he buy Rangers. Enter The Ticketus drama and before you know it we are in administration.

Was this good enough for them, a 10 point deduction? Nope, they are just getting started. Somehow their influence now reaches into the SFA and SPL boards. A massive fine ensues, £160000 and a 12 month transfer embargo, sanctions made up by the SFA to appease those pulling the strings.

Rangers contest this in a legal court and find ourselves hated even more by not only the bheasts, but by the SFA and all the other clubs.

Eventually we find a buyer but by this time the seeds are sown, we all pretty much know we ain't getting help from any footballing authorities or the HMRC in Scotland.

As liquidation is entered we find we now are in limbo.

No league to play in.
We've lost our name.

And crucially the bheasts are desperately touting that we should lose our history. Evidence of other clubs keeping their history kind of keeps a lid on this as not many mhedia outlets run with it or major organizations endorse the view.

But they aren't happy. Somehow they've lobbied the SPL to be judge, jury and executioner in a 'dual-contracts' investigation and this is the next best thing. If they can't erase our history, they will chip away at it. They have the mhedia brandishing headlines about stripping titles from the EBT years and more crucially handing them over to Celtic.

Content with their lot? Not quite, they even have the BBC write a half-hearted report in trying to say we can't have our name. We are perpetually known as 'newco this' or 'newco that', there is no hint of any positive press coverage whatsoever.

Now they are speaking of liquidators unwinding the sale to Charles Green, although this is not possible unless something illegal has been done. But it doesn't stop them, they are relentless. They have crippled us as a club beyond any expectation they could imagine. And we let them do it. We sat back as they gathered forces, manipulated their way into positions and pulled the trigger.

Even now, when our club is well past being on it's knees, our head is firmly in the chopping block our fans are still divided. We can't unify for the sake of the single thing that bonds us together. It's gutwrenching and heartbreaking.

I often refer back to the great Bill Struth's speech for inspiration, in fact so often it's the only thing that keeps me going through all this. I have to believe there will be a light at the tunnel, only I know when I get to it there will be some **** ******* with something else to throw me back into the darkness.
I know it, you know it and more importantly they know that...


WE ARE THE PEOPLE"

Ha ha ha...

[Lungo--Drom]

I regularly go to the sauna with Rebecah Brooks and she says otherwise to the otherwise ;)


I play squash with a guy who is quite senior in BSkyB and he says differently.

[green glory]

SFA employees now being asked awkward questions. What you got to say for yourself Mr Ogilvie? Hmmmm???

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/over-to-you-mr-president/#more-2870

[--------]

SFA employees now being asked awkward questions. What you got to say for yourself Mr Ogilvie? Hmmmm???

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/over-to-you-mr-president/#more-2870


Word I hear is that HMRC are seriously pissed and have no intentions of backing off... :devil:

[lapsedhibee]

Word I hear is that HMRC are seriously pissed and have no intentions of backing off... :devil:

'mon the Queen's representatives :flag:

[joe breezy]

GSTQ... cough :wink:

[SuperTortolano]

BBC Scotland has learned that Charles Green's Sevco 5088 company is not currently permitted to inherit the name 'The Rangers Football Club'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619

[Makaveli]

https://p.twimg.com/Av1ZtgKCIAA3DbM.jpg (http://s13.postimage.org/wxhkuobid/bestbefore.jpg)

Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

[CropleyWasGod]

and there's a story that rangers have financial problems and might be going into administration. you heard (read) it here first....

Source?????

[bighairyfaeleith]

Source?????

Hibs.net :greengrin

[Seveno]

I've heard from two reasonably reliable sources (one journalism, the other business) that there's so much bad stuff in the pipeline that it could take years to unravel. Some of it is apparently so outlandish that anybody who supports Rangers in any form at the moment in the midst of all this uncertainty is going to look utterly foolish. The SFA, SPL etc seem to be in total paralysis, and the attitude might be changing from 'support the Hun at any costs' to 'keep the *uck out of this for as long as possible, until the true facts emerge.'

Rangers have essentially fallen on the sword of their own arrogance. That sword has been forged over the years by cap-doffing footballing administrators and succulent lamb media hacks, who have indulged the club at all costs, breeding a massive sense of entitlement. Unfortunately for them, they've massively overstepped the mark, and challenged institutions like HMRC, who are way beyond the Scottish cess pit created by the Hun and their lackeys.


I'm going to nominate you for the Nobel Prize for Literature for the bit, Bob. Wonderful stuff.

[WindyMiller]

Where is the sycophantic article you quoted from Windy Miller?

Glasgow Herald.

[Just Alf]

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

[WindyMiller]

It's actually one of the more sensible or balanced outpourings to be fair. The author is probably correct in that if they are restarted in some format at one point in the future in some league the supporters will see a continuum with the past. Which in their case also means sectarian bile. The Ibrox disaster example is used for dramatic effect and it is their memory to use in the same way that any disaster/meaningful event is ours to use. It's not risible but just possibly tasteless. And also they will never admit as a support that it is their actions and blind support of SDM and his management of them as a club that is the destroyer of all that history. They have destroyed their club.


See above post.

[Waxy]

Rangers smoothie.take 45,000 bitter oranges, sour grapes,and liquidate

[MyJo]

https://p.twimg.com/Av1ZtgKCIAA3DbM.jpg (http://s13.postimage.org/wxhkuobid/bestbefore.jpg)

Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

:hilarious: that's stupendous!!!! :aok:

[Peevemor]

https://p.twimg.com/Av1ZtgKCIAA3DbM.jpg (http://s13.postimage.org/wxhkuobid/bestbefore.jpg)

Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

Good spot. :thumbsup:

[joe breezy]

Alex Thomson from Channel 4 news wants opinions for his blog


Calling all fans of SPL clubs 1-11 inclusive. What should your Chairmen do on Wed July 4th at 10 am?...


Tweet or email [email protected] and I'll blog 'em up!

[Seveno]

According to the Herald this morning, there are doubts as to whether Green has enough working capital to last through June and to 27th June payday. They say that he has not spoken to a single player or been in contact with the SPFA.

Anyone know a good Administrator ?

[ScottB]

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

I've been saying this all along, losing some / all of the Sky money would present a problem, losing a vast number of fans would see clubs close down.

Despite our own falling numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Hibs have sold the most behind Celtic at this stage at least.

[blackpoolhibs]

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

[Judas Iscariot]

I've been saying this all along, losing some / all of the Sky money would present a problem, losing a vast number of fans would see clubs close down.

Despite our own falling numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Hibs have sold the most behind Celtic at this stage at least.

I think the pink perverts will have sold more than us...

[Gus Fring]

Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

[lapsedhibee]

From Jim Spence tweet

@bbcjimspence: Dundee Utd season book sales currently around 1700. At end of June last year 4300 sold. Stephen Thompson meets fans reps tomorrow re Newco.

So does 2600 season tickets constitute more or less than the Arabs might lose in bigotgate money and possible downscaling of the Sky dosh? I guess more, and therefore agree wholeheartedly with Charliebhoy that United should make a 'business' decision on July 4. :agree:

[EuanH78]

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

Not so sure about what your saying. I agree that this will make or break Scottish football for a lot of people (myself included) and I also agree most the media might as well be getting printed from Ibrox itself but according to a few bits and pieces doing the rounds some of the media are deeply implicated in the Rangers farce so its to be expected this PR bullkeech.

As for the football authorities, something has changed. Noticed no-one is hearing a thing from Doncaster who surely was Rangers biggest cheerleader until very recently. I have a feeling we wont be seeing any kind of whitewash now, my impression is that Rangers (old or new) are finished, at least for some time yet. Looks like the authorities are doing everything by the book. That way there is no recourse for the Huns. Calm before the storm IMO.

[Just Alf]

Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

Hmmmm, for me a business decision = a big fat NO!

I can't see any team making more money from 2 to 4 visits from Sevco fans (especially as they're stating ALL SPL grounds are being boycotted next season) compared to the losses they'd have from a yes vote when they'll lose Celtic, us and the rest of SPL teams who won't be visiting and I think every single team's own fans are also going to stay away....... So a business decision is really quite simple! :D

[Kato]

So a business decision is really quite simple! :D

It certainly is.

I hope Mr Green is given the chance to understand that very point.

[Offside Trap]

Charles Green says he wants #SPL clubs to make a business decision when voting on Newco next month. #Rangers

CG: it's not about passion, it's not about commitment to a cause, it's purely about doing what's right financially as there's no money.

Looks like his campaign has started.

He has got to be kidding right? £100m+ of unpaid debts and he is preaching to others about doing the right thing financially? Disgusting. :rolleyes:

[PatHead]

On BBC today

Rangers: Talks planned to discuss players' futures


Manager Ally McCoist and chief executive Charles Green will meet with members of the Rangers playing squad next week to discuss their futures.
Green's consortium moved the club's assets to a new firm and it believes player contracts can also be switched. (http://www.hibs.net/sport/0/football/18417120)
But legal and union opinion suggests players have the right not to be contracted to the new company. (http://www.hibs.net/sport/0/football/18446597)
Green said: "Alistair and I will be sitting down with them and explaining where we are."
Continue reading the main story (http://www.hibs.net/#story_continues_2)
“As far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred”

Charles Green Rangers chief executive

The squad are contracted to Rangers Football Club plc, which is soon to be liquidated, and Green wants the deals to be moved across to his new company, which now has ownership of Ibrox Stadium and the Murray Park training ground.
The "newco" route was taken by Green's group after a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) proposal was not approved.
Players agreed wage cuts in March as the club, which entered administration the month before, reduced costs to fulfil their remaining fixtures for the 2011-12 season.
In return for reduced terms, some players had release clauses added to their contracts that allow them to leave if a set fee is offered.
A number of contracts, including those of defender Sasa Papac and forward Sone Aluko, end this summer, and the former has stated he will be moving on.
Players are due to start reporting back to Murray Park for fitness training on 28 June.
"From the moment HMRC announced they wouldn't support the CVA, we contacted the staff and had a meeting with them and the administrator made them aware," added Green.
"We as a newco started having discussions and, as far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred under Tupe [regulations].
"Of course, the difficulty is some of the players haven't been around and the likes of [Carlos] Bocanegra have been away on international duty with the USA team.
"They've also been having holidays and taking their families away, so it has been more difficult with the playing staff than the non-playing staff.
"We've been speaking to the PFA [union] though and to individual agents." END

Rangers players out of contract



Grant Adam
Sone Aluko
Kyle Bartley, end of loan from Arsenal
Gordon Dick
Scott Gallacher
David Healy
Chris Hegarty
Salim Kerkar
Andrew Little
Sasa Papac
Andrew Mitchell

I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?

[blackpoolhibs]

Not so sure about what your saying. I agree that this will make or break Scottish football for a lot of people (myself included) and I also agree most the media might as well be getting printed from Ibrox itself but according to a few bits and pieces doing the rounds some of the media are deeply implicated in the Rangers farce so its to be expected this PR bullkeech.

As for the football authorities, something has changed. Noticed no-one is hearing a thing from Doncaster who surely was Rangers biggest cheerleader until very recently. I have a feeling we wont be seeing any kind of whitewash now, my impression is that Rangers (old or new) are finished, at least for some time yet. Looks like the authorities are doing everything by the book. That way there is no recourse for the Huns. Calm before the storm IMO.

What i'm saying is this whole thing has sickened that many folk, that season ticket sales are massively down all over the country, and that is mainly down to whats happening with Rangers. They have affected the WHOLE of Scottish football.

You might be right about things could be about to change, at the top of football and media wise, and it has to, we couldn't keep going the way it was.

I just hope if Rangers are finished/demoted not in the SPL next season, things are not that bad that we have lost those fans who have not renewed, for Hibs/Dons/Well and the likes for ever.

[VickMackie]

https://p.twimg.com/Av1ZtgKCIAA3DbM.jpg (http://s13.postimage.org/wxhkuobid/bestbefore.jpg)

Got a few funny looks snapping this in Asda... couldn't help myselfl!

:faf:

[GreenPJ]

I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?
[/LIST]

I think the issue is if its TUPE rather than passported across would they not be entitled to all existing terms and conditions (other than pension). That won't make the cost savings they need to make.

[JimBHibees]

What i'm saying is this whole thing has sickened that many folk, that season ticket sales are massively down all over the country, and that is mainly down to whats happening with Rangers. They have affected the WHOLE of Scottish football.

You might be right about things could be about to change, at the top of football and media wise, and it has to, we couldn't keep going the way it was.

I just hope if Rangers are finished/demoted not in the SPL next season, things are not that bad that we have lost those fans who have not renewed, for Hibs/Dons/Well and the likes for ever.

This has undoubtedly affected Scottish football and the low season tickets bought is solely IMO down to the uncertainty of the situation and fans waiting to see which way their club is voting before handing over their money. It is imperative for fans of all clubs for them to make it as clear as possible to their clubs that this is the case so that clubs cannot use the low season numbers as an excuse to weedle Rangers back into the SPL.

[JeMeSouviens]

So does 2600 season tickets constitute more or less than the Arabs might lose in bigotgate money and possible downscaling of the Sky dosh? I guess more, and therefore agree wholeheartedly with Charliebhoy that United should make a 'business' decision on July 4. :agree:

Assuming they average £250, that would be £650K as an immediate hit plus all the knock on effects of a dwindling customer base. The Arab trust reckoned United would lose £300K gate money with No Huns but another £1.1M of tv money if Sky pulled out altogether.

Since Sky have said they won't pull out, the maths looks to favour a "no" to me. :agree:

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4378835/We-wont-walk-away-but-we-want-new-deal.html

[ScottB]

I think the issue is if its TUPE rather than passported across would they not be entitled to all existing terms and conditions (other than pension). That won't make the cost savings they need to make.

You're forgetting that they are Rangers, and therefore don't need to make cuts. They just need to find more money. :rolleyes:

[PatHead]

Assuming they average £250, that would be £650K as an immediate hit plus all the knock on effects of a dwindling customer base. The Arab trust reckoned United would lose £300K gate money with No Huns but another £1.1M of tv money if Sky pulled out altogether.

Since Sky have said they won't pull out, the maths looks to favour a "no" to me. :agree:

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4378835/We-wont-walk-away-but-we-want-new-deal.html

Dundee Utd's Early bird finishes on 3 July. Discount cost £300 for adults. Wonder if they will extend the deadline until after the vote.

[ancienthibby]

You're forgetting that they are Rangers, and therefore don't need to make cuts. They just need to find more money. :rolleyes:


Er, no - they have a proven track record of stealing monies from the rightful ownership of others, creditors, the taxpayer and other football clubs.:greengrin

[Offside Trap]

On BBC today

Rangers: Talks planned to discuss players' futures


Manager Ally McCoist and chief executive Charles Green will meet with members of the Rangers playing squad next week to discuss their futures.
Green's consortium moved the club's assets to a new firm and it believes player contracts can also be switched. (http://www.hibs.net/sport/0/football/18417120)
But legal and union opinion suggests players have the right not to be contracted to the new company. (http://www.hibs.net/sport/0/football/18446597)
Green said: "Alistair and I will be sitting down with them and explaining where we are."
Continue reading the main story (http://www.hibs.net/#story_continues_2)
“As far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred”

Charles Green Rangers chief executive

The squad are contracted to Rangers Football Club plc, which is soon to be liquidated, and Green wants the deals to be moved across to his new company, which now has ownership of Ibrox Stadium and the Murray Park training ground.
The "newco" route was taken by Green's group after a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) proposal was not approved.
Players agreed wage cuts in March as the club, which entered administration the month before, reduced costs to fulfil their remaining fixtures for the 2011-12 season.
In return for reduced terms, some players had release clauses added to their contracts that allow them to leave if a set fee is offered.
A number of contracts, including those of defender Sasa Papac and forward Sone Aluko, end this summer, and the former has stated he will be moving on.
Players are due to start reporting back to Murray Park for fitness training on 28 June.
"From the moment HMRC announced they wouldn't support the CVA, we contacted the staff and had a meeting with them and the administrator made them aware," added Green.
"We as a newco started having discussions and, as far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred under Tupe [regulations].
"Of course, the difficulty is some of the players haven't been around and the likes of [Carlos] Bocanegra have been away on international duty with the USA team.
"They've also been having holidays and taking their families away, so it has been more difficult with the playing staff than the non-playing staff.
"We've been speaking to the PFA [union] though and to individual agents." END

Rangers players out of contract



Grant Adam
Sone Aluko
Kyle Bartley, end of loan from Arsenal
Gordon Dick
Scott Gallacher
David Healy
Chris Hegarty
Salim Kerkar
Andrew Little
Sasa Papac
Andrew Mitchell

I can't believe attempts were not made to speak to at least some players about tupe and contracts. I also don't believe Fat Ally won't have been speaking to players. If I was in danger of being made redundant I would be speaking to my manager. Wonder if he will tell them he doesn't have any money on 28 June and that is why they haven't been paid?


Some thoughts re the TUPE/contracts position:

Green is right on a first principles basis, i.e. TUPE will apply and the contracts of employment will transfer to SevCo. There are, however, some important points which I would expect the PFA will have been counselling the players on:

i) Every employee has a right to object to the TUPE transfer. This has the effect of automatically terminating the contract and would mean a player can walk free as at the date of the TUPE transfer. No reason needs to be provided by the employee for objecting to the TUPE transfer - it is simply their right under TUPE.

ii) However, it would normally be expected that an employee submit their objection prior to the TUPE transfer taking place - so in this case before Green completed his smash and grab £5.5m deal at end of last week. This raises the question as to whether any players did that. If not, then TUPE regs would suggest the players will have lost their chance to object to their contracts being transferred and Green has indeed secured their contracts into SevCo.

iii) But....TUPE also states that the employees have a right to be consulted in advance regarding any proposed TUPE transfer (which would in turn inform them as to whether they would want to object to the transfer). I don't think TUPE is prescriptive regarding the length of consultation but my sense is that 90 days minimum would be required. I doubt very much whether those consultation requirements have been satisfied in this example and therefore it would be this point which I would expect the PFA to be looking closely at if a player has NOT objected prior to TUPE transfer date.

iv) One final point re TUPE pertinent to the Huns case. TUPE is primarily there to protects the Ts & Cs of Employment of employees in these situations (pensions aside). TUPE regs do, however, make an exception in the case of Insolvency related TUPE transfers which allow the newco to vary (ie reduce!) the Ts & Cs of employees. Again, one that you would expect the PFA to be highlighting to their members....

[RyeSloan]

Some thoughts re the TUPE/contracts position:

Green is right on a first principles basis, i.e. TUPE will apply and the contracts of employment will transfer to SevCo. There are, however, some important points which I would expect the PFA will have been counselling the players on:

i) Every employee has a right to object to the TUPE transfer. This has the effect of automatically terminating the contract and would mean a player can walk free as at the date of the TUPE transfer. No reason needs to be provided by the employee for objecting to the TUPE transfer - it is simply their right under TUPE.

ii) However, it would normally be expected that an employee submit their objection prior to the TUPE transfer taking place - so in this case before Green completed his smash and grab £5.5m deal at end of last week. This raises the question as to whether any players did that. If not, then TUPE regs would suggest the players will have lost their chance to object to their contracts being transferred and Green has indeed secured their contracts into SevCo.

iii) But....TUPE also states that the employees have a right to be consulted in advance regarding any proposed TUPE transfer (which would in turn inform them as to whether they would want to object to the transfer). I don't think TUPE is prescriptive regarding the length of consultation but my sense is that 90 days minimum would be required. I doubt very much whether those consultation requirements have been satisfied in this example and therefore it would be this point which I would expect the PFA to be looking closely at if a player has NOT objected prior to TUPE transfer date.

iv) One final point re TUPE pertinent to the Huns case. TUPE is primarily there to protects the Ts & Cs of Employment of employees in these situations (pensions aside). TUPE regs do, however, make an exception in the case of Insolvency related TUPE transfers which allow the newco to vary (ie reduce!) the Ts & Cs of employees. Again, one that you would expect the PFA to be highlighting to their members....

Good post and one that makes it clear that the players contracts cannot be part of servco yet…Green’s comments are somewhat bizarre he seems to be saying the players are his yet in the same breath saying it’s been hard to contact some (all) of the players…as you have made clear you can’t simply TUPE people without their knowledge or acceptance. Also his version of events would suggest the whole squad were transferred on existing wages, simply not an option for such a illiquid takeover effort.

Sounds to me like all players are still contracted to old Rangers, they are being paid from the asset sale proceeds and if no TUPE agreement is made will be free agents when old Rangers formally goes into liquidation.

Also your post has made it quite clear that players can refuse TUPE and become free agents. For any player of quality this will clearly be their best option as Servco will not be able to match their existing wage.

Green as ever is talking riddles and comes across as someone who has title to something but he and everyone else is not entirely sure what. He also seems to be having to react to events rather than dictate them so it’s pretty obvious he has little or no ability to direct or influence the course of coming events…events that will soon see Servco without any real playing squad to talk of, no income and no league to play in. Shame

[Gus Fring]

http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

[Jim44]

Post on FF. Chris McLaughlan BBC, reporting an £11m bid from two Scottish millionaires to be announced.

[Beefster]

http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

Considering whoever bought the club/assets/whatever could walk away scot-free anyway (either with the CVA accepted or a newco set up), I don't understand why folk would be willing to pay £11m now but not offer anything to buy the club pre-CVA for less.

[ballengeich]

It's now 21 days since the case at the Court of Session and I believe that's the limit for an appeal. Time for the SFA's tribunal to reconvene and decide on a punishment to replace the transfer embargo. A one year suspension from all Scottish football seems appropriate to me as the earlier attempt to be lenient and help them to continue as a football club was thrown back in the tribunal's faces.

Also there must be serious reservations about Sevco's ability to complete their fixtures in any division. There's doubt about whether they have any players and the club's funding is at best unclear.

[Mon Dieu4]

Just found my new favourite quote of the whole saga hahahahahaha

" Personally i am sick to the back teeth of these attacks. Its fcking constant and absolutely out of order. If such tactics were adopted against, say the Asian community there would be worldwide condemnation. But its ok cos its just rangers."

[Jim44]

Just found my new favourite quote of the whole saga hahahahahaha

" Personally i am sick to the back teeth of these attacks. Its fcking constant and absolutely out of order. If such tactics were adopted against, say the Asian community there would be worldwide condemnation. But its ok cos its just rangers."


Talking about favourite quotes, can anyone trace the excellent one which beautifully summed up sporting integrity over financial expediency?

[Cropley10]

Cut & Paste from RTC blog. But sums it up perfectly for me.

Amidst all the excitement two things strike me;

1. Any self-respecting, blue-blooded Scottish businessman knows that to keep Ra Peeps in the trophy laden manner they demand requires massive ongoing investment with no return other than kudos. The evidence is there for all to see. No European football = no star players = no trophies = no full houses = no European football = no star players = no trophies = no full houses ad infinitum. It’s a vicious, money sapping circle. Vilification would ensue for any ‘saviours’ who can’t match the DM glory years. Hence Knights and Cardigans various have all had a sniff and backed away. A bottomless pit for their cash and way too much hassle.

2. SPL chairmen vote Sevco Bears into SPL, seconded by the SFA = a worldwide ban for Scottish football. The men from UEFA/FIFA will say non! They simply won’t allow it.

Conclusion; Division 3 is the only option for Sevco Bears, both financially and legislatively. Even that is increasingly beginning to look like a long shot. Nice.

I think the part in bold might have something to do with future BDO/HMRC investigations as well. Which is also 'nice'.

[Cropley10]

Post on FF. Chris McLaughlan BBC, reporting an £11m bid from two Scottish millionaires to be announced.

One of whom is (or was) disqualified from being a Director for 7 years!!

They also owed the taxman and hd their business liquidated.

That Chris McLaughlan is simply a mouthpiece for Green and Jack Irvine (Hun PR)

[Cropley10]

It's now 21 days since the case at the Court of Session and I believe that's the limit for an appeal. Time for the SFA's tribunal to reconvene and decide on a punishment to replace the transfer embargo. A one year suspension from all Scottish football seems appropriate to me as the earlier attempt to be lenient and help them to continue as a football club was thrown back in the tribunal's faces.

Also there must be serious reservations about Sevco's ability to complete their fixtures in any division. There's doubt about whether they have any players and the club's funding is at best unclear.

Much more sensible, surely, to wait until after 4 July?

If they're dead, how can you apply a sanction to a dead club. If Sevco Utd are allowed to take their share they do it on condition they accept this punishment.

Problem is if you do it now, they're saying they're the same Club. Which they aint.

[Cropley10]

Good post and one that makes it clear that the players contracts cannot be part of servco yet…Green’s comments are somewhat bizarre he seems to be saying the players are his yet in the same breath saying it’s been hard to contact some (all) of the players…as you have made clear you can’t simply TUPE people without their knowledge or acceptance. Also his version of events would suggest the whole squad were transferred on existing wages, simply not an option for such a illiquid takeover effort.

Sounds to me like all players are still contracted to old Rangers, they are being paid from the asset sale proceeds and if no TUPE agreement is made will be free agents when old Rangers formally goes into liquidation.

Also your post has made it quite clear that players can refuse TUPE and become free agents. For any player of quality this will clearly be their best option as Servco will not be able to match their existing wage.

Green as ever is talking riddles and comes across as someone who has title to something but he and everyone else is not entirely sure what. He also seems to be having to react to events rather than dictate them so it’s pretty obvious he has little or no ability to direct or influence the course of coming events…events that will soon see Servco without any real playing squad to talk of, no income and no league to play in. Shame

Every single one of those players will be too terrified to 'walk away' now. They just need to bide their time. This is all going to end in disaster for the Hun - potentially no football AT ALL imho.

[CentreLine]

This has undoubtedly affected Scottish football and the low season tickets bought is solely IMO down to the uncertainty of the situation and fans waiting to see which way their club is voting before handing over their money. It is imperative for fans of all clubs for them to make it as clear as possible to their clubs that this is the case so that clubs cannot use the low season numbers as an excuse to weedle Rangers back into the SPL.

If the chairmen make the right decision then I will be right round to ER for my season ticket. Who's with me? :flag:

[Matty_Jack04]

Much more sensible, surely, to wait until after 4 July?

If they're dead, how can you apply a sanction to a dead club. If Sevco Utd are allowed to take their share they do it on condition they accept this punishment.

Problem is if you do it now, they're saying they're the same Club. Which they aint.

Agree, this July 4th vote should be blown to bits now ala HMRC rejecting CVA 24hrs in advance of the vote, rod should get on the blower 6 chairmen all release statements that they will vote no on July 4th and everyone knows where they stand

[snooky]

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

Spot on, BH.
The reason the SFA/SPL and all their followfollowers have dragged their heels in this RFC escapade is because they're all part of the same fungus.
Scottish Football? Rip it up and start again - bin all the dodgy officials from Ogilvie to CT and on.

[ancient hibee]

http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

Land Developers!That should have the huns shivering.

[joe breezy]

http://bbc.in/MgxuBt

Another Takeover bid! Disgusting that they have all waited until the debt was wiped before making themselves known!

Quite interesting that one of them is a Celtic season ticket holder and they are property developers

[joe breezy]

Land Developers!That should have the huns shivering.

And Celtic fans, ho ho ho

[HibeeSince85]

One of whom is (or was) disqualified from being a Director for 7 years!!

They also owed the taxman and hd their business liquidated.

That Chris McLaughlan is simply a mouthpiece for Green and Jack Irvine (Hun PR)

Just read about these two.

Business wound up due to unpaid tax, directors ban.

They do say ***** attracts flies.

This whole thing stinks, could not agree more with BH also, the whole of Scottish Football suffers because of a bigoted, corrupt cesspit.

[Ozyhibby]

If the chairmen make the right decision then I will be right round to ER for my season ticket. Who's with me? :flag:

Me + a ticket for my lad. 5th July if all goes well and the right thing is done.

[Offside Trap]

Just read about these two.

Business wound up due to unpaid tax, directors ban.

They do say ***** attracts flies.

This whole thing stinks, could not agree more with BH also, the whole of Scottish Football suffers because of a bigoted, corrupt cesspit.

Rangers Tax Case blogger chap on Twitter having a go at Chris McLaughlin - basically saying this new bid is "amateurish" and "has no chance"...and that CM shouldn't have given it air time on BBC. The two of them are having a right proper spat on Twitter - quite funny! :greengrin

[Part/Time Supporter]

Kickstart 2000 (aka Gary Mackay) (http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/footballgovernance/playeragents/letter=m.html) bumped for nearly £120K by Rangers (presumably commission on the Wallace deal).

http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles/37/b5/0,,5~177463,00.pdf

[WhileTheChief..]

I just don't see there being a Rangers playing football anywhere in Scotland on August 4th.

There are way too many investigations, court cases, contract disputes etc., not to mention a complete lack of actual cash for them to be anywhere near ready in time.

In won't be down to the vote of SPL clubs or the result of the BTC, it will simply be down to time. There's not enough of it for them.:greengrin

[CyberSauzee]

Talking about favourite quotes, can anyone trace the excellent one which beautifully summed up sporting integrity over financial expediency?

Is it this one from john McBeth?

"If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport.''


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18265663

[Dashing Bob S]

Kickstart 2000 (aka Gary Mackay) (http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/footballgovernance/playeragents/letter=m.html) bumped for nearly £120K by Rangers (presumably commission on the Wallace deal).

http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles/37/b5/0,,5~177463,00.pdf

Every cloud...

[johnbc70]

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

Just read this reply and you have summed it up very well ll Blackpool, even if newco are in Div 3 then it really has opened up a lot of fans eyes about how the Scottish game is run and the media behind it. While I think most of us knew the game was run for the benefit of the 2 we never really could quite prove it, yes they got the dodgy decisions, but we never saw the level of submissivnes( is that the right word) that we are seeing from the authorities and the media we are seeing now. As I say even with newco in division 3 then I think Scottish football has lost some fans forever, and those that continue to go

[johnbc70]

This comes as no surprise to me, i think everyone is under estimating just how strong the feeling is among non Rangers fans. This already has hurt every club in the SPL, we are staring at a huge loss for all the clubs, even if they are demoted to the 3rd division. People can only be ****ed about so much, and a lot of folk have had enough.

Ever club bar Rangers will struggle, not because of them being relegated should it happen, but because they have watched every authority bend over backwards to help them, we have seen 99% of the media fawn over them, making excuse after excuse. We have seen just where we all stand in the grand scheme of things in the Scottish game, and its not been good viewing.

Rangers actions and lack of morality HAS affected the rest of the game, a lot of people are or are nearing the end of their tether.

Those in charge of our game have hardly covered themselves in glory, and are just as bad as Rangers in ALL of this.

Just read this reply and you have summed it up very well ll Blackpool, even if newco are in Div 3 then it really has opened up a lot of fans eyes about how the Scottish game is run and the media behind it. While I think most of us knew the game was run for the benefit of the 2 we never really could quite prove it, yes they got the dodgy decisions, but we never saw the level of submissivnes( is that the right word) that we are seeing from the authorities and the media we are seeing now. As I say even with newco in division 3 then I think Scottish football has lost some fans forever, and even those that continue to go may feel something has been lost. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.

[Jim44]

Is it this one from john McBeth?

"If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport.''


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18265663

The very one...................... The quote of the thread IMHO. Thanks.

[MyJo]

Agree, this July 4th vote should be blown to bits now ala HMRC rejecting CVA 24hrs in advance of the vote, rod should get on the blower 6 chairmen all release statements that they will vote no on July 4th and everyone knows where they stand

The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

[matty_f]

The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

:agree: That's a good shout, though they should include Celtc in it as well - no need to alienate them just now.

[The Falcon]

The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

I would even include Celtic. Make it unanimous.

[ballengeich]

:agree: That's a good shout, though they should include Celtc in it as well - no need to alienate them just now.

Particularly as Celtic might have to be one of the five.

[Jim44]

Just read about these two.

Business wound up due to unpaid tax, directors ban.

They do say ***** attracts flies.

This whole thing stinks, could not agree more with BH also, the whole of Scottish Football suffers because of a bigoted, corrupt cesspit.

THIS (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-22456262/) is them. :greengrin


ps Sorry , link not working ..........it's an article about one of their businesses going bust.

[cabbageandribs1875]

404 Error Message: Page Not Found on www.dailyrecord.co.uk (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/)

[Offside Trap]

Just read this reply and you have summed it up very well ll Blackpool, even if newco are in Div 3 then it really has opened up a lot of fans eyes about how the Scottish game is run and the media behind it. While I think most of us knew the game was run for the benefit of the 2 we never really could quite prove it, yes they got the dodgy decisions, but we never saw the level of submissivnes( is that the right word) that we are seeing from the authorities and the media we are seeing now. As I say even with newco in division 3 then I think Scottish football has lost some fans forever, and even those that continue to go may feel something has been lost. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.

Of course, there is the other perspective on what comes out of all of this. Rangers are booted out/to Div 3, we rid our top league of the overwhelming majority of the inherent sectarianism, our media's views are reinvented, better distribution amongst clubs of TV money and commercial influence, increased competition, governance structures simplified and more transparent, greater fan influence. All of which = brighter future = more interest in the game. Won't happen overnight clearly - but I'm an optimist!

[The Green Goblin]

Hopefully when it all comes out we won't have to keep reading p15h like this;



The club has subjected its followers to various indignities over the past couple of years and not the least of them is an obligation to assert endlessly the continued ownership of their own back story. Rangers are being told – forcibly and repeatedly – that they have "lost" their history. No ifs, no buts: it was flushed away when Rangers Football Club plc was plunged into liquidation last Thursday. Nine-in-a-row? Barcelona 1972? Others would scoop those memories out of their brains if they could.

Scottish football is still getting its head around the full implications of Rangers being liquidated and attempting to pull the pieces back together in order to continue playing next season. Even that sort of innocuous statement can bring a swift slapdown from the armies of angry detractors populating the social media: get it into your head, there is no Rangers, they're dead and gone, deceased, the SPL's ex-parrot. According to the more hysterical, even referring to them as Rangers at all it is "peddling the myth that they are alive and well". Many won't be happy unless every mention comes with some sort of footnote, suffix or asterisk, lest anyone be under the impression that a skeletal hand is rising up through the soil on Rangers' grave.


Well, fine, the point has been made often enough by now. But if people are going to carry on hectoring about what they should really be called every time the word "Rangers" is used, this will soon become tedious beyond belief. It's one of those contrived issues, really. No-one in offices, cafes or pubs is going to go around calling them anything but Rangers for very long, regardless of what it says on the paperwork at Companies House. It's the obvious and inevitable shorthand for the football club playing its home games at Ibrox next season.


Rangers fans will simply have to suck it up for a while, in the hope that Celtic supporters and others will eventually exhaust themselves in the schadenfreude of their numerous embarrassments. They insist they should be called Sevco 5088, or Club 12, or Zombie FC, or countless unprintable alternatives, and there was further grist to the mill when it emerged yesterday that the Charles Green consortium cannot yet legally use the name "The Rangers Football Club", as they intend to. That title will have to be approved by liquidators BDO, and BDO cannot give that approval because they have yet to take control of the club's affairs.


It amounts to yet another little defeat in a seemingly endless sequence of them, not to mention confusing the issue of what working name should be used between Green and the SPL while the former tries to secure the latter's approval at a meeting of all 12 member clubs on June 4.


Most Rangers fans long for a future when the club has navigated itself back to prominence in the SPL, winning trophies and playing to full houses at Ibrox. In the meantime they will insist that the newco is a continuation of their history, and to hell with what anyone else says. They will watch a team in blue at Ibrox, they'll sing the same songs, cherish the same heroes – Jim Baxter, Davie Cooper, Ian Durrant – and buy scarves and flags celebrating nine straight titles and a European Cup-Winners' Cup.


The notion that none of that would be the newco's history is not going to be taken seriously anywhere around Ibrox. The line taken by the club itself will be that both the oldco and the newco amount to the corporate structure running Rangers Football Club, which was the entity which won all the trophies and which carries on regardless. Expect to see all the silverware – the 54 titles, 60 domestic cups and European trophy – being listed in the match programme the next time they play at home.


The obvious comparison is how Airdrie United deal with Airdrieonians' history. Airdrie United was formed in 2002 after Airdrieonians went bust. They secured a place in the Scottish Football League by buying out Clydebank FC, relocating it to Airdrie and changing the strips to the old Airdrieonians colours. In essence, the club which finished fourth in the Second Division last season is a reincarnation of Clydebank which its supporters see instead as a reborn Airdrieonians. Under "Club History" on their website, the headline reads: "The Past Cannot be Forgotten". The section highlights that Airdrieonians played in four Scottish Cup finals, winning one, and played in Europe in 1992. Great old names like Hughie Gallacher and Bob McPhail are celebrated.


"Their" history is Airdieonians' rather than Clydebank's for one simple reason: it is their supporters' wish. It will be the same at Rangers, no matter how often the realities of liquidation and newco status are hammered home to them by others insisting that they have a clean slate and no right to celebrate what "another club" won.


In one regard the history of Rangers is way too significant for petty pointscoring. The club suffered Scottish football's greatest loss of life when 66 fans died in the 1971 Ibrox disaster, a tragedy mourned by fans of all clubs but most deeply felt by Rangers. That memory must endure, commemorated annually and visibly. What happened on Stairway 13 is as poignantly relevant to any new Rangers as it was to the old one.




Bringing up the Ibrox disaster is just risible.

Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

[s.a.m]

Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

I think it was Michael Grant in The Herald.

[Spike Mandela]

Who wrote that propaganda? It smells of Traynor/Young/Jackson but plenty more hun apologists/defenders besides them.

Anyway, I'm curious - who was it?

OMG that article takes deflection, rewriting of events and misrepresentation of facts to a whole new level. The campaign to get Rangers off scot free was always going to ramp up but to roll out the Ibrox disaster as a reason to ensure their 'history' remains intact is pathetic and insulting to grieving families. The disaster should be remembered for the tragic loss of life and the impetus for bringing forward improvements in stadia not for getting financial crooks off the hook.

The rest of the article trying to elicit sympathy for the poor put upon bigoted hordes is sycophantic nonsense and my money would be on apologist in chief Traynor.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

The link to the ibrox disaster is disgusting .. The directors of rangers fc are responsible for cheating their way to the situation they find themselves in... And I never expected the weedgie press to collude in the way they have done

[Cropley10]

What was it Walter Myth said yesterday? Good luck to the new Rangers Football Club. Yep, the NEW Rangers Football Club.

The 26,000 small investors of Rangers Football Club now have nothing. They thought they owned part of the Football Club, not some 'holding company'. Do these 26,000 own part of the NEW Rangers Football Club?

[Cropley10]

I just don't see there being a Rangers playing football anywhere in Scotland on August 4th.

There are way too many investigations, court cases, contract disputes etc., not to mention a complete lack of actual cash for them to be anywhere near ready in time.

In won't be down to the vote of SPL clubs or the result of the BTC, it will simply be down to time. There's not enough of it for them.:greengrin

:agree: time and documentation/paperwork

[calmac12000]

If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this. Whether it is due to centuries of sectarian attitudes being acceptable in Scotland, if often with a nod and a wink. Was it simply the fact that one clubs overweening ambition and arrogance, coupled with their reputed financial power, made Scottish journalists adopt a supine attitude to all things Rangers. I honestly don't know I suspect its a combination of all the above. What the Fifth Estate have totally underestimated, if not completely ignored is the power and importance of non-Rangers supporters in Scotland. This is self-evident, in their inability to comprehend the anger and disgust of many of the supporters of Scotland's thirty seven other football clubs as this saga has played out. So essentially what we are being told from the media is just accept your role as bit players in the mighty Rangers story and shut up. To those journalists and others who have peddled this line down the years, I'm afraid its time to face reality, the world that is Scottish football must undergo change or die.

[Waxy]

Couldn't the SPL just stop the split?
When FC Sevco go to the 3rd div,Couldn't the SPL restructure for more matches?
More matches=more money
Surely this would go a long way to equalizing annual income from the loss of Sevco?

I know it makes for a long season for the players but hey,they get well payed.

Makes sense to me but maybe i'm missing something.

[ScottB]

I doubt there's time, it's going to screw with Dundee enough as it is to go from preparing for the 1st Division to being tossed into the SPL.

[lapsedhibee]

If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this.

Don't think it's rocket surgery. Young, Traynor and the rest aren't journalists at all - they're just lazy *******s living in suits, churning out OF PR pap. Alex Thomson uncovered more in a couple of hours of becoming interested than those clowns managed in months. Simply by asking questions and finding things out, like what proper journalists do.

[blackpoolhibs]

Don't think it's rocket surgery. Young, Traynor and the rest aren't journalists at all - they're just lazy *******s living in suits, churning out OF PR pap. Alex Thomson uncovered more in a couple of hours of becoming interested than those clowns managed in months. Simply by asking questions and finding things out, like what proper journalists do.

Rocket surgery
Lol

[WindyMiller]

I think it was Michael Grant in The Herald.



:agree:

Like McLaughlan, at the BBC, Grant has been a propagandist for the Huns and D&P since they went into admin.

[johnbc70]

Of course, there is the other perspective on what comes out of all of this. Rangers are booted out/to Div 3, we rid our top league of the overwhelming majority of the inherent sectarianism, our media's views are reinvented, better distribution amongst clubs of TV money and commercial influence, increased competition, governance structures simplified and more transparent, greater fan influence. All of which = brighter future = more interest in the game. Won't happen overnight clearly - but I'm an optimist!

You are an optimist! I have a fear that in 3 or 4 years time we will be back to square one and little if any lessons will have been learnt. I really hope I am wrong though.

[Onion]

The most sensible thing to do would be for the "gang of 10" to sit down and decide amongst themselves how they are going to vote and if more than 5 of them make it clear they will be voting no at the meeting then making a statement to declare that ALL clubs have reached the decision to not allow NewHuns to enter the SPL and therefore avoid the risk of some clubs voting yes and incurring the wrath of their own fans and the celtic boycotts on 4th July.

:agree:makes complete sense. Any else is suicide for the clubs that vote for the Newco.

[WhileTheChief..]

If any action is taken over the exposing of Rangers blatant corruption it is with a few honourable exceptions,, despite the efforts of the media rather than because of them. The establishment media has lined up behind Rangers at every turn. Obviously, not wishing to upset the cozy status quo, in this country. It is impossible to give a definitive reason for this. Whether it is due to centuries of sectarian attitudes being acceptable in Scotland, if often with a nod and a wink. Was it simply the fact that one clubs overweening ambition and arrogance, coupled with their reputed financial power, made Scottish journalists adopt a supine attitude to all things Rangers. I honestly don't know I suspect its a combination of all the above. What the Fifth Estate have totally underestimated, if not completely ignored is the power and importance of non-Rangers supporters in Scotland. This is self-evident, in their inability to comprehend the anger and disgust of many of the supporters of Scotland's thirty seven other football clubs as this saga has played out. So essentially what we are being told from the media is just accept your role as bit players in the mighty Rangers story and shut up. To those journalists and others who have peddled this line down the years, I'm afraid its time to face reality, the world that is Scottish football must undergo change or die.


The problem with believing that though is that you are basically agreeing with the Celtic hordes that have bleated on about perceived injustices against them for decades.

What you're saying may be true of a couple of journos from the Record or Sun, but overall I think the coverage has been relatively fair. It's only natural that they report on the loudest voices and those are all coming from Rangers mouthpieces.

If Peter Lawell was screaming from the rooftops for Rangers to be booted to div 3 then the reporting in the Record from Traynor etc would be entirely different.