Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[Twa Cairpets]

That doesn't say EBTs were operated at Hearts. It talks about half the wages being paid from Lithuania, which was confirmed in the Evening News a couple of weeks ago.

If the players are de facto employed in the UK, doesn't that mean that Hearts are acting as agents and are required to pay HMRC, regardless of where the salary comes from? Isn't it up to Hearts to get the money from Kaunas to cover the players tax liability, rather than have it essentially waived by Hector?

[Matty_Jack04]

BBC Sport Football ‏@BBCFootball1
Hearts set '£2m survival' target: Hearts supporters need to generate £2million to help the Edinburgh club surviv... http://bbc.in/WJyKqP

Just read this on twitter also said 'by the summer to save club' is this an extra £2mill on top of the £1.7 for tax and the £450k winding up order?

[Mikey]

I reckon the two suitcases taken into the PBS were full of emptyness, but they'll have anything of value in them when they leave.

As was mentioned in the thread on the PM board he could be here for the big tax case. Other than him, their directors have been noticably absent.

[green glory]

If the players are de facto employed in the UK, doesn't that mean that Hearts are acting as agents and are required to pay HMRC, regardless of where the salary comes from? Isn't it up to Hearts to get the money from Kaunas to cover the players tax liability, rather than have it essentially waived by Hector?

I'd agree with this. The mention in the RTC blog of the player who could only demonstrate a near minimum wage salary, but explained he was also paid from overseas should raise some suspicion. This very same incident was discussed on the Sevco thread here.

[Aldo]

Question is.... Is this a PR ploy.... Do we think they'll get off with it??

[stevenhibs]

Question is.... Is this a PR ploy.... Do we think they'll get off with it??


That's what I reckon.

[silverhibee]

I reckon the two suitcases taken into the PBS were full of emptyness, but they'll have anything of value in them when they leave.

As was mentioned in the thread on the PM board he could be here for the big tax case. Other than him, their directors have been noticably absent.

I did think about that to Mikey, they were either full of money when they arrived.

Or empty, and full of share/shop/ticket money when they leave. :greengrin

Just listened to BBC Scotland there and it would appear that the suitcases were empty when they arrived and no doubt be full of anything that is of value(the SFA should ask for the cup back just in case it ends up in Lith land) when they leave.

BBC saying it is down to the fans to save there club. :lolyam:

[Golden Bear]

Question is.... Is this a PR ploy.... Do we think they'll get off with it??

:agree:

That crossed my mind as well.

[Jack Hackett]

Question is.... Is this a PR ploy.... Do we think they'll get off with it??

It's been at the back of my mind that this is just another case of brinkmanship to boost attendance and the share issue. If it works, he's quids in as far as filling his pockets go. He's certainly got nowt to lose by it.

[McPhisto2]

So, no press statement from Hearts so far (thought there was mean't to be one at 9.30am?), no expression of whether Mad Vlad is going to stump up the for tax bill or not and nothing else from Hearts....so is it fair to say still that the 17th is still D-Day?

[essexhibee]

What will happen to Hearts?

Friday 9th November 2012.


Romanov/UBIG have decided that they have had enough and are getting out… probably haven’t got any access to money.

Lately, they have taken in monies from Season tickets, TV and Gate re Liverpool, SPL, SFA , and some transfer fees from TRFC?… probably around £6M - £7M in total

They are trying to claw back some more with the Share Issue but HMRC won’t wait.

I cannot see that Romanov will pay the PAYE/NICs bill of £450K

However, Romanov/UBIG will not allow Hearts to be wound up/liquidated (same thing)

It’s odds on that Romanov/UBIG will put Hearts into Administration in the next few days or so… to protect Hearts from winding up/liquidation.

Despite what some people will say, Romanov/UBIG will still keep control of Tynecastle in an administration event… as they are, by far, the biggest Creditors (much more than HMRC or anybody else)

The Share Sale will go ahead and any monies coming in will be used to pay the fees of the Administration.

The Administrators will offer a ‘’pence in the pound’’ CVA and this will be accepted by over 75% (by value) of the Creditors … ie, it will be accepted by Romanov/UBIG as they hold more than 75% of the debt

Hearts will come out of Administration quickly ‘’debt free’’ but will have lost Tynecastle, their only real asset, as it will be covered by a fixed or floating charge in favour of Romanov/UBIG.

Hearts will remain in the SPL, albeit, fighting relegation because of the points deduction as a consequence of administration and the downsizing of the squad. In addition, they will have to pay rent to Romanov/UBIG as long as they stay at Tynecastle.

So although I’m sure Hearts will survive (unlike TRFC who are dead) the future for a competitive Hearts team looks very, very bleak… but not a bad way to ditch your debts eh?From kickback regarding the whole situation. Seems a sensible post tbf

[CB_NO3]

http://www.sheffieldunited-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/hearts_sign_nade_351568/index

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/6203035.stm

Why pay your tax when you can have these two class acts. The amount of cash they have wasted is mad. Chucking 10k a week at guys like Nade, Obua, Goncalves, Kingston, Zaliukas.
Pretty sure the list goes on and on. It makes me laugh. Well good luck to the hearts fans finding 2 million between them. Not.

[Caversham Green]

Question is.... Is this a PR ploy.... Do we think they'll get off with it??

Not sure what you mean by 'get off with it'. They have no chance of escaping the £450k tax bill, and very little chance of getting time to pay IMO. If they get off with the bigger tax bill it's because they were able to present a good defence to the tribunal.

If you mean will they escape liquidation/administration, well yes, they might but only through scraping together everything they've got and that means they have nothing in the tank for the future. At the very least they are going to be massively damaged after this little episode.

[Coco Bryce]

From kickback regarding the whole situation. Seems a sensible post tbf

I really hope the CVA is 51p in the £

[Mikey]

From kickback regarding the whole situation. Seems a sensible post tbf

Interesting post.

If they are relegated, which would be likely with a 17 point deduction and a slashed playing squad, they'll have trouble coming right back up. Romanov will take a huge skelp in rent.

[Caversham Green]

From kickback regarding the whole situation. Seems a sensible post tbf

One flaw in his thinking is that the UBIG debt is already covered by fixed and floating charges which means that it's taken out of the CVA vote. The debt is greater than the value of the assets it's secured on, but that can only be proved by selling the assets and settling as much of the debt as they raise - the balance would then go to the unsecured creditors list and they would have a vote, but by that time it's a liquidation because all the assets are gone.

They did move some debts over to other companies though, so they might be unsecured and therefore stand to vote in a CVA proposal. If so this would appear to be the culmination of two year-long strategy rather than the emergency it's being presented as.

[Baader]

Better still he could plunder some Nazi gold.

The Londis incident is beginning to make sense...

[haagsehibby]

Interesting post.

If they are relegated, which would be likely with a 17 point deduction and a slashed playing squad, they'll have trouble coming right back up. Romanov will take a huge skelp in rent.

I wonder if there will be a secondary points deduction if the wages are not paid on time again.

[jacomo]

http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/campbell-ogilvie/

From a while ago. Not saying he's definitely implicated but there is at least some suspicion.

Got to be worth looking at more closely I would have thought.

Campbell Ogilvie would definitely have questions to answer.

Here's an article from 2008 where he's spraffing off about making Hearts self-sufficient:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/ogilvie-offers-heartfelt-defence-of-romanov-and-insists-no-war-with-sfa-1-1148749

"We are trying to create a solid foundation here," he said. "We realise that only actions, not words, will work now.

"In the short term we have had and will have a situation where we receive funding from our parent company (UBIG] and we are fortunate to have that. The aim, though, is to make the club totally self-sufficient. It is good to have a parent company but we accept here that we have to stand on our own two feet. We cannot rely on outside funding, we must create a model."

Four years on, and they are still spending way beyond their means... including on the team that won the Scottish Cup, and seemingly cheating the tax man to help them do so.

It's all coming home to roost...

:******:

[CB_NO3]

http://www.sheffieldunited-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/hearts_sign_nade_351568/index

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/6203035.stm

Why pay your tax when you can have these two class acts. The amount of cash they have wasted is mad. Chucking 10k a week at guys like Nade, Obua, Goncalves, Kingston, Zaliukas.
Pretty sure the list goes on and on. It makes me laugh. Well good luck to the hearts fans finding 2 million between them. Not.
Sorry, this should have been in the 'lets all laugh at Hearts' thread.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Interesting post.

If they are relegated, which would be likely with a 17 point deduction and a slashed playing squad, they'll have trouble coming right back up. Romanov will take a huge skelp in rent.

18 points.

They got 52 last year and the rules say it is one third of the total rounded up.

[jacomo]

From kickback regarding the whole situation. Seems a sensible post tbf

So... maybe after this week, the Hearts fans will accept administration (and no doubt praise Vlad for doing it) because they've been forced to look into the abyss and anything is better than that.

Division One beckons.

[Mikey]

18 points.

They got 52 last year and the rules say it is one third of the total rounded up.

Even better.

Maybe they'll catch up Dundee and find themselves at Dens on the last day, just needing to avoid defeat...................

[ScottB]

Why do I get the feeling the squad will announce that they are deferring their wages...

I can just about see them scraping together the £450k in time, but then where do the wages come from? Then the big tax bill looms.

Personally I think they'll stagger on until the big tax case hits (assuming it does), there's no way they'll be able to raise the money for that one.

[Alfred E Newman]

Question is.... Is this a PR ploy.... Do we think they'll get off with it??

That's what I said yesterday. Boost the shares sale, full house for the next home game and Vlad comes up with the tax cash. No doubt they will knock up out the cup next month and every thing will be rosey again at Tynie, till the next crisis.

[Aldo]

Not sure what you mean by 'get off with it'. They have no chance of escaping the £450k tax bill, and very little chance of getting time to pay IMO. If they get off with the bigger tax bill it's because they were able to present a good defence to the tribunal.

If you mean will they escape liquidation/administration, well yes, they might but only through scraping together everything they've got and that means they have nothing in the tank for the future. At the very least they are going to be massively damaged after this little episode.

Cav sorry. Get off with Administration/liquidation.
Should if made it clearer mate.

[Sergey]

That's what I said yesterday. Boost the shares sale, full house for the next home game and Vlad comes up with the tax cash. No doubt they will knock up out the cup next month and every thing will be rosey again at Tynie, till the next crisis.

That's assuming that Vlad has the cash to hand.

Given that UBIG haven't paid the 1200 workers at their bauxite plant for over 3 months. There's also been a run on the Ukio shares and the bank have had to take control of the Zalgiris basketball arena, for a sum that was over 3 times the cost of construction, I don't honestly think that UBIG/Vlad have money at their disposal.

[Mikey]

Some of them are pretty convinced over the road that this bill will be paid by Vlad. Not quite sure what they base it on though :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

Cav sorry. Get off with Administration/liquidation.
Should if made it clearer mate.

No problem Aldo - I didn't mean my post to be snippy.

Anyway, FWIW I don't think it is a PR ploy, I think they've taken it too far to be that. I can't see even the yams thanking Vlad for taking their club to the brink, taking all their money and then bailing them out anyway. As I say they might actually escape administration/liquidation but it will cost them very dear.

[Brummie_Hibs]

If Hearts do die, then at this time of the year, and for every year onwards, Hibs fans should wear green poppies, to respect the memory and traditionals of that previously great club.

Note: Of course all profits made from the sale of aforementioned poppies should be donated to the proper poppy appeal.

[robinp]

Some of them are pretty convinced over the road that this bill will be paid by Vlad. Not quite sure what they base it on though :greengrin

Seemingly Fedatovs said last night at the meeting with the fans group that Vlad will be paying off the bill.

[Mikey]

Seemingly Fedatovs said last night at the meeting with the fans group that Vlad will be paying off the bill.

Not convinced. I think they've turned it into that.

If he's paying off the bill, why not do it right now?

[cocopops1875]

If Hearts do die, then at this time of the year, and for every year onwards, Hibs fans should wear green poppies, to respect the memory and traditionals of that previously great club.

Note: Of course all profits made from the sale of aforementioned poppies should be donated to the proper poppy appeal.
Speaking of which have hahaHearts confirmed a donation from sales of their Poppy Day shirt to The Poppy Appeal yet ? Last I was aware there is a LTD Edition shirt with a £12 mark up but no suggestion of where the money was going

[green glory]

https://twitter.com/bbcbmclauchlin/status/266862338810998784

[Stevie Reid]

BBCBMcLauchlin ‏@BBCBMcLauchlin (https://twitter.com/BBCBMcLauchlin)
Hearts director Sergejus Fedotovas tells BBC Scotland a deal with HMRC is unlikely over the £450,000 bill for PAYE and VAT.@bbcsportsound (https://twitter.com/bbcsportsound)

If that's all the info that he got since 9.30, it looks grim for the Yams.

[CB_NO3]

Also says they have raised 100k in the last 48 hours. Just 350k more to find.

[Aldo]

No problem Aldo - I didn't mean my post to be snippy.

Anyway, FWIW I don't think it is a PR ploy, I think they've taken it too far to be that. I can't see even the yams thanking Vlad for taking their club to the brink, taking all their money and then bailing them out anyway. As I say they might actually escape administration/liquidation but it will cost them very dear.

No mate don't worry didn't think it was snippy at all. I think all we want is a definite answer as we all sit and watch their demise.

I want them to be totally and utterly ****ed if I'm being honest and hopefully wiped out totally

[matty_f]

BBCBMcLauchlin ‏@BBCBMcLauchlin (https://twitter.com/BBCBMcLauchlin)
Hearts director Sergejus Fedotovas tells BBC Scotland a deal with HMRC is unlikely over the £450,000 bill for PAYE and VAT.@bbcsportsound (https://twitter.com/bbcsportsound)

If that's all the info that he got since 9.30, it looks grim for the Yams.

Quite right too. They've taken that money from their employees and paying customers and deprived the tax payer of it to chase a pipe dream.

Does anyone know if they'll incur penalties and interest on this amount?

[HibeeSince82]

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug Being told #Hearts (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23Hearts&src=hash) fans have raised over 100k in the past 48hrs. 450k needed before end of next week to pay taxman. #BBCSport (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23BBCSport&src=hash)

(http://www.hibs.net/BBCchrismclaug/status/266863344198234112)

[matty_f]

Also says they have raised 100k in the last 48 hours. Just 350k more to find.

Actually just £1.9m to find...

[blackpoolhibs]

https://twitter.com/bbcbmclauchlin/status/266862338810998784

Thats a real shame, so they have collected the money and spent it on players they couldn't afford. Start taking the first 18 points of please. :thumbsup:

[greenginger]

That's assuming that Vlad has the cash to hand.

Given that UBIG haven't paid the 1200 workers at their bauxite plant for over 3 months. There's also been a run on the Ukio shares and the bank have had to take control of the Zalgiris basketball arena, for a sum that was over 3 times the cost of construction, I don't honestly think that UBIG/Vlad have money at their disposal.

I think the Bank got some development plots in Vilnius as well as the basketball arena, in fact probably the whole UBIG property portfolio (Except the PBS ). Whether it was a fair price,well the bank shares continue to plummet suggests the Market does not think so. The deal might just give Vlad a little room to borrow from the bank to bail out HOMFC if he is so inclined.

However if the Tubes over at Tynecastle do raise the £ 2 million to bail the club out, leaving Vlad still in charge with a majority share holding, then they even more stupid than I could ever imagine. Vlad will just hold them to ransom again, its the way loan sharks work.

They would be far better in the long term letting the Club crash and build from a fresh Vlad free start.

But why am I telling Yams this, get your money out now boys and girls, Robbo and Foulkes say its all Kosher. :greengrin

[Stevie Reid]

Quite right too. They've taken that money from their employees and paying customers and deprived the tax payer of it to chase a pipe dream.

Does anyone know if they'll incur penalties and interest on this amount?

Absolutely. Got an unbelievable cheek even asking for another payment plan.

[CB_NO3]

Actually just £1.9m to find...

It will be more than that of they loose the other tax case. Its £1.7m but penalties, interest and court fees could take it upto £3m. Wages are due soon aswell.

[green glory]

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/266863344198234112

Looking like the fans are going to have to find the 450k.

[WindyMiller]

Actually just £1.9m to find...


Just 84,444 tickets at £22.50 then.



:aok:

[greenginger]

It will be more than that of they loose the other tax case. Its £1.7m but penalties, interest and court fees could take it upto £3m. Wages are due soon aswell.


Wages ? Thursday 15TH ? , Tax deductions, N I payments for October wages due 22nd of the month following.

It is also time our council was hitting them with a final demand for business rates and rent.


Or, do people think they have been punished enough !

[HibeeMassive]

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug Being told #Hearts (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23Hearts&src=hash) fans have raised over 100k in the past 48hrs. 450k needed before end of next week to pay taxman. #BBCSport (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23BBCSport&src=hash)

(http://www.hibs.net/BBCchrismclaug/status/266863344198234112)

I thought the share issue was for running costs and youth team funding, not paying off debts? :confused:

:thumbsup:

[essexhibee]

100k? They sure :cb

They are forgetting the match day costs of policing and stewarding as well as catering to take out of that for tomorrows game. Once again, only Vlad looks to be able to save them before the 8 day period ends.

Is there any feasible way they could raise the other 350k?

[itchy07]

Wages ? Thursday 15TH ? , Tax deductions, N I payments for October wages due 22nd of the month following.

It is also time our council was hitting them with a final demand for business rates and rent.


Or, do people think they have been punished enough !

+ the other court case over unpaid bills to Rydens and Arthur Mckays.

Now I think of it, could admins add a Debt clock to the page. One like the countdown one we've already got but the debt one just keeps rising as the wages, tax bills, interest and penalties keep increasing?
:devil:

[Craig_in_Prague]

I'm also a bit confused with the 450K target.
That will settle an old debt, but what about current/recent outgoings.

the board were saying they need 2M from the fans before end of season.

If they don't get the dosh very soon, they won't see the end of the season.

lots of strange / mixed pleas.

party poppers at the ready.

[Caversham Green]

Seemingly Fedatovs said last night at the meeting with the fans group that Vlad will be paying off the bill.

Here's a post from upthecreekback from someone who appears to attend the Important People's Meetings that some yams seem to love. He's referring to the tweet that said the tax would be paid and characteristically he's not actually telling what was said but the implication is very much that they were told the opposite from what the tweet says.


Originally poster by A Very Important Yam Fud
The person who posted this on Facebook has since admitted that he just heard this third hand from someone in passing (not someone actually at the meeting), and has been getting a hard time for it since, because the information which he placed on FB gave the wrong impression. Last night's meeting involved HMSA, HMST, FHSC and HYDC, and at the end of the meeting a statement was made on SSN, which gave an indication of where we stand.

[CB_NO3]

I'm also a bit confused with the 450K target.
That will settle an old debt, but what about current/recent outgoings.

the board were saying they need 2M from the fans before end of season.

If they don't get the dosh very soon, they won't see the end of the season.

lots of strange / mixed pleas.

party poppers at the ready.
The way they have lied to their own fans is embarrassing and the fact that they deluded tits have lapped it up, makes it even more funny. First it was, a 'great way' of getting involved with your club. Be part of the future and all that nonsense. Your money will go to securing the 'future' of our youth academy and everyday running of the club. 3 days later, they want fans two months before xmas to give every penny they have or we might die. "This tax bill just popped out from nowhere". Sure it did. The term "you cant kid a kidder springs to mind". Now Serg is saying, there is a very small but slim chance that UBIG might help them, but it will be at a price. He has also admitted that they cant borrow anymore from UK banks so its now the fans or nothing. So far they have raised 100k but need another 350k for that one bill alone. They have 2 other small court cases against them. Wages coming up, another tax bill which could cost £3m which includes interest, penalties and court fees.

Its safe to say, they are donald ducked.

[Frazerbob]

Listening to the Hearts fans on SSN....they really have no clue what is happening at their club. There in lies the problem. They sold their soul, hook, line and sinker to a man the knew nothing about (yet plenty other clubs seemed to do their homework before they knocked him back) and now have absolutely no influence on their club.

[McPhisto2]

Latest from STV....http://sport.stv.tv/...-tax-bill-cash/

Hearts director Sergejus Fedotovas is hopeful the club could be loaned money by Vladimir Romanov to stave off the threat of liquidation.
However the club still faces a funding shortfall of around £2m to make it through the current season.

Fedotovas thanked fans, who are believed to have raised up to £100,000 in the two days since the club was served with a winding up order by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs.

The Tynecastle director said: “We have been speaking to Mr Romanov’s companies and we have got a good response. They will be looking at ways to help us.

“They know the situation and promise to help us out.

“If funding is made available, the club will have to pay it back again.

“The way forward for this club is with the help of fans, step by step taking more involvement in the club.”

[hibeesdude]

..and chrismclauglan on twitter just saying that SF critical of HMRC approach to current problems.Says they will not cut a deal


what really and them with such a AAA credit rating as well

[CRAZYHIBBY]

I reckon hearts will survive this as I believe its nothing more than a publicity stunt conjured up by MR Romanov

[Gatecrasher]

Latest from STV....http://sport.stv.tv/...-tax-bill-cash/

Hearts director Sergejus Fedotovas is hopeful the club could be loaned money by Vladimir Romanov to stave off the threat of liquidation.
However the club still faces a funding shortfall of around £2m to make it through the current season.

Fedotovas thanked fans, who are believed to have raised up to £100,000 in the two days since the club was served with a winding up order by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs.

The Tynecastle director said: “We have been speaking to Mr Romanov’s companies and we have got a good response. They will be looking at ways to help us.

“They know the situation and promise to help us out.

“If funding is made available, the club will have to pay it back again.

“The way forward for this club is with the help of fans, step by step taking more involvement in the club.”
Borrowing Money of VR is ok because that means they would just owe it to themselves :fenlon

[GreenCastle]

Listening to the Hearts fans on SSN....they really have no clue what is happening at their club. There in lies the problem. They sold their soul, hook, line and sinker to a man the knew nothing about (yet plenty other clubs seemed to do their homework before they knocked him back) and now have absolutely no influence on their club.

:greengrin

Just saw some of their fans interviewed on Sky Sports News - they really haven't a clue :rolleyes:

The mixed messages and statements coming out the club are a shambles.

They are blindly giving money away right now to where - who knows...

IF they manage to even get anywhere near to reaching the money needed - are they thinking ahead at all about how they are going to steady the ship ? If they don't make the top 6 they would be toiling even more. It's just such a shame they have made the semi finals - hopefully we can knock them out in the Scottish and limit their funds moving forward.

In summer they have players like Grainger, Zaliukas, McGowan, Driver and Webster all out of contract. I can see McGowan being sold in January.

The playing field is becoming more level after the last few years of them paying lots more than us. As well as their wage bill their real concern is the stadium - that main stand and the future of Tynie - moving somewhere means rental costs -building a new stadium is out the picture due to costs.

They really are in MASSIVE problems and they have brought it all on themselves :fenlon short term success with no long term planning...

But keep bailing out Romanov and give your money away - just hope all of the jambos have enough money to buy xmas presents!

[ScottB]

Are they doing their training at Tynecastle now? Little clip about them on the BBC News Channel showing them running around the pitch...

[CB_NO3]

I reckon hearts will survive this as I believe its nothing more than a publicity stunt conjured up by MR Romanov
He has nearly bankrupted 3 football teams, now not paying his basketball players on time. Not paid his factory workers in Bosnia for 3 months and his bank Ukios shares are nearly at an all time low of 2.7p. That my friend is some publicity stunt ;)

[EskbankHibby]

..and chrismclauglan on twitter just saying that SF critical of HMRC approach to current problems.Says they will not cut a deal


what really and them with such a AAA credit rating as well

Unreal eh?

Having dealt with HMFC/Romanov many times before and probably had many failed repayment plans why the **** would HMRC agree to another one now. :crazy:

They have taken PAYE/NI from their employees and not passed it on to HMRC, hell mend them.

[Moulin Yarns]

Has anybody looked at what would happen in the League if they went pop during the season?

As the table stands at the moment, based on results so far. If the Hearts results are declared null and void the table looks like this

Hibs 20
Celtc 18
St Johnstone 18
Inverness CT 17
Aberdeen 17
Motherwell 16
Dundee Utd 16
Ross County 14
Killie 12
St Mirren 9
Dundee 1


:flag:

[Stevie Reid]

:greengrin

Just saw some of their fans interviewed on Sky Sports News - they really haven't a clue :rolleyes:


Some of them will genuinely do all they can to save the club, others will see putting money in as pointless as it's just delaying the inevitable, others believe that Romanov will pay again as he has paid before.

If the stupidity/arrogance/ignorance of their support is what ultimately brings them down, I can't think of a more poetic justice.

[iwasthere1972]

Are they doing their training at Tynecastle now? Little clip about them on the BBC News Channel showing them running around the pitch...

Surprised they haven't charged the Yams £5 entry fee to watch them. An opportunity missed.

[Joy Zipper]

Sergejus Fedotovas "Hearts were trying to be a big club, and it comes at a cost"

7 mins 15 secs :-

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/hearts/199675-hearts-director-hopeful-vladimir-romanov-could-loan-hearts-tax-bill-cash/

That cost being 138 years of history ?

[dangermouse]

Are they doing their training at Tynecastle now? Little clip about them on the BBC News Channel showing them running around the pitch...

How does that lie with the pitch protection rules brought in by the SPL or are they running about with pitchforks :faf:

[iwasthere1972]

Has anybody looked at what would happen in the League if they went pop during the season?

As the table stands at the moment, based on results so far. If the Hearts results are declared null and void the table looks like this

Hibs 20
Celtc 18
St Johnstone 18
Inverness CT 17
Aberdeen 17
Motherwell 16
Dundee Utd 16
Ross County 14
Killie 12
St Mirren 9
Dundee 1


:flag:

What has Dundee ever done to them to deserve getting the six points deducted?

[Hiber-nation]

Whatever happened to the G10 group? Remember - that very important sounding group of very important Hearts supporters that discussed very important things to do with big teams.

[s.a.m]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport SF: Blames HMRC for ''trying to ruin everything'' by logding petition for the tax bill.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkc3haXLLf1qitfwho1_400.gif

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport
SF: He says they had an ''understanding'' - and the share issue would pay that bill.


So is he admitting here that he lied to the fans?

[clerriehibs]

I reckon hearts will survive this as I believe its nothing more than a publicity stunt conjured up by MR Romanov

Yes, a stunt but only so he cam claw money from the merricks. They might survive this, but they''re still doomed, and it'll be sooner rather than later.

[Gatecrasher]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport SF: Blames HMRC for ''trying to ruin everything'' by logding petition for the tax bill.

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport
SF: He says they had an ''understanding'' - and the share issue would pay that bill.


So is he admitting here that he lied to the fans?

Yep, I thought that they share issue was to cover other costs and they would find other finance for the tax bill, of course we knew he was telling porkies all along :agree:

[jacomo]

Sergejus Fedotovas "Hearts were trying to be a big club, and it comes at a cost"

7 mins 15 secs :-

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/hearts/199675-hearts-director-hopeful-vladimir-romanov-could-loan-hearts-tax-bill-cash/

That cost being 138 years of history ?

Ooh that must hurt. Fail!

[jonty]

https://twitter.com/TaxManHector/status/266663362635657216/photo/1

8836

:tee hee:

[CyberSauzee]

Unreal eh?

Having dealt with HMFC/Romanov many times before and probably had many failed repayment plans why the **** would HMRC agree to another one now. :crazy:

They have taken PAYE/NI from their employees and not passed it on to HMRC, hell mend them.

Exactly. They've had numerous petitions for payment over the last 2/3 years, and not just off HMRC IIRC. In the past the Yams/Romanov have waited until the last minute before paying off the debt; this time they can't because they have no cash.

HMRC have set up payment plans for them in the past, which they are obviously failing to keep to, hence calling in the outstanding amount. Why should HMRC give them another chance? HMRC can quite rightly ask, on behalf of all of us as taxpayers, why they have spent money on the playing squad when they can't pay fixed costs? Why should HMRC trust them to pay any monies due in the future when the present incumbents have clearly been so fiscally irresponsible over the past 2/3 years?

[Just Alf]

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/266863344198234112

Looking like the fans are going to have to find the 450k.

FAST ....... :greengrin ......

needs to be collected, deposited into an account, then transferred.... all before the tax case ..... and will Hector accept "cheque's in the post" or will it need to actually be in their account as well?.... for the Yams sake I hope they have all the money together by close of play tonight or they're gonna be cutting it mighty fine :cb

[JimBHibees]

It will be more than that of they loose the other tax case. Its £1.7m but penalties, interest and court fees could take it upto £3m. Wages are due soon aswell.

Robertson seemed to think it was £4m. As you say wages also and the PAYE/VAT also for last month, and no doubt the numerous other bills not being paid and probably non-playing staff being told to defer. Shambles.

[Bighoose]

The Fudleys should be asking Fedorov etc to open the books and prove that every penny generated by the club this year has stayed in the club, i.e. Liverpool Tv money etc.

I am sure they will find some miscellaneous transfers out to destinations unspecified.

Before I parted with any cash I would want more proof than their word that any cash raised would stay with the club.



Ah and Ryan Stevenson, I think it was Albert Einstein that gave a definition of insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

[GreenCastle]

Is this not normal how all big teams operate?

I wish next week would hurry up - then the next payment of wages should be interesting...

[JimBHibees]

Why do I get the feeling the squad will announce that they are deferring their wages...

I can just about see them scraping together the £450k in time, but then where do the wages come from? Then the big tax bill looms.

Personally I think they'll stagger on until the big tax case hits (assuming it does), there's no way they'll be able to raise the money for that one.

Are they able to do that without incurring SPL punishment?

[CB_NO3]

Now over on brokeback, they are taking out credit cards to buy shares. Oh the irony, lets take out debt to pay debt.

[iwasthere1972]

Now over on brokeback, they are taking out credit cards to buy shares. Oh the irony, lets take out debt to pay debt.

Don't forget about Wonga. :wink:

[Sergey]

The Fudleys should be asking Fedorov etc to open the books and prove that every penny generated by the club this year has stayed in the club, i.e. Liverpool Tv money etc.

I am sure they will find some miscellaneous transfers out to destinations unspecified.

Before I parted with any cash I would want more proof than their word that any cash raised would stay with the club.



Ah and Ryan Stevenson, I think it was Albert Einstein that gave a definition of insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

I notice that SF answered that the debt level currently stands at £24M. That was the debt level 16 months ago when their last set of accounts were published. They've openly stated that the club still isn't self-sufficient, so what is the current debt level? It sure as **** ain't £24M.

[GreenCastle]

Now over on brokeback, they are taking out credit cards to buy shares. Oh the irony, lets take out debt to pay debt.

Brokeback is comedy gold right now - :ostrich::jamboclow:brokenyam::lolyam:

[silverhibee]

http://www.british-gazette.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Pinocchio.PNG

[jacomo]

Now over on brokeback, they are taking out credit cards to buy shares. Oh the irony, lets take out debt to pay debt.

Your average Yam really is like a battered wife who refuses to leave because "he loves me".

[matty_f]

Now over on brokeback, they are taking out credit cards to buy shares. Oh the irony, lets take out debt to pay debt.

That's mental. They better pray there's enough raised otherwise they're just saddling themselves with debt for nothing.

[zelda]

Surprised they haven't charged the Yams £5 entry fee to watch them. An opportunity missed.

That's exactly what they're going to do for the U20 matches. Yam in my work said they haven't been paying for use of the Victoria Park pitch and have been told to bolt.

[Hibee87]

Now over on brokeback, they are taking out credit cards to buy shares. Oh the irony, lets take out debt to pay debt.

WOW...just WOW

[Saorsa]

Wages ? Thursday 15TH ? , Tax deductions, N I payments for October wages due 22nd of the month following.

It is also time our council was hitting them with a final demand for business rates and rent.


Or, do people think they have been punished enough !it'll never be enough until they're gone!

[Moulin Yarns]

What has Dundee ever done to them to deserve getting the six points deducted?


:greengrin Beat them twice, of course. Another win and Dundee get to keep them, if they're still around :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport SF: Blames HMRC for ''trying to ruin everything'' by logding petition for the tax bill.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkc3haXLLf1qitfwho1_400.gif

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport
SF: He says they had an ''understanding'' - and the share issue would pay that bill.


So is he admitting here that he lied to the fans?

Says it all. A blatant lie by Vlad's poodle. Any Hearts fan putting a penny more in after this admission should be shot.

[iwasthere1972]

One Yam daftie has even suggested the buying of a 3/5 year season ticket. Are they completely bonkers. Vlad would just love that.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/120118-3-5-year-season-tickets/#entry3234208

[degenerated]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport SF: Blames HMRC for ''trying to ruin everything'' by logding petition for the tax bill.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkc3haXLLf1qitfwho1_400.gif

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport
SF: He says they had an ''understanding'' - and the share issue would pay that bill.


So is he admitting here that he lied to the fans?



I'm guessing that this will have been completely ignored on brokeback?

[SteveHFC]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport SF: Blames HMRC for ''trying to ruin everything'' by logding petition for the tax bill.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkc3haXLLf1qitfwho1_400.gif

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSport
SF: He says they had an ''understanding'' - and the share issue would pay that bill.


So is he admitting here that he lied to the fans?

http://s2.favim.com/orig/28/laughing-patrick-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-Favim.com-236895.gif

[ScottB]

Are they able to do that without incurring SPL punishment?

If they word it right, say all the players have decided to funnel their wages into the rescue effort, would the SPL object to that? I guess it depends if they'd want to see proof that the relevant sums actually went somewhere or not...

[s.a.m]

http://s2.favim.com/orig/28/laughing-patrick-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-Favim.com-236895.gif


:greengrin

[johnrebus]

Now over on brokeback, they are taking out credit cards to buy shares. Oh the irony, lets take out debt to pay debt.


They really are as thick as pig ****.

If the club does not fold next week, it will be the week after or the week after that.

Accept they are ****ed and the save the cash for the Newco in the 3rd Division.


Livingston will want rent money after all.......,


:******:

[Bighoose]

Is Ticketus not still around? They seemed gullible in giving away cash for potentially nowt in return - or did Craigie White do for them?

[johnrebus]

I'm guessing that this will have been completely ignored on brokeback?


Don't worry, I'm sure our intrepid MSM will point it out to them.........,

:whistle:

[Mikey]

It would simply highlight just how spineless their players are if they come out before next Friday and say that they're not going to take their pay this month.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Don't worry, I'm sure our intrepid MSM will point it out to them.........,

:whistle:

I have just asked Jane Lewis (BBC) about this. She agreed and says it will be discussed on Sportsound tonight.

There is now a BBC article that points out the contradiction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20271068

[Oscar T Grouch]

One Yam daftie has even suggested the buying of a 3/5 year season ticket. Are they completely bonkers. Vlad would just love that.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/120118-3-5-year-season-tickets/#entry3234208

That thread is funny as, one guys even emailled the club with price suggestions and even done the arithmatic for them, suppose that isnae a bad idea cos that clubs management obviously cannae do sums :greengrin

[truehibernian]

I have just asked Jane Lewis (BBC) about this. She agreed and says it will be discussed on Sportsound tonight.

PTS - can you ask them to investigate or discuss Hearts owing money to Newtongrange Star and check the validity of Jonny's information - Vlad turning up and taking money there and then, and them (Hearts) owing a Junior side money thus perhaps putting them at risk - seems Hearts are playing the 'poor me card, it's everyone else's fault' rather than pay their taxes, pay other firms, and thus not put other livelihoods at risk :agree:

[matty_f]

There is now a BBC article that points out the contradiction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20271068

The boy sounds desperate.

[Mikey]

There is now a BBC article that points out the contradiction.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20271068

Lots of Hearts people (and I mean real Hearts people, not utter shysters from Lithuania) have been rolled out in front of the cameras to tell everyone that the club has been completely open and transparent with the fans over the share issue.

I wonder how stupid they feel now.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Any Jambo looking in must be 'seething' seeing how much fun we're having with this. Gid. Awfy gid.

[Saorsa]

Lots of Hearts people (and I mean real Hearts people, not utter shysters from Lithuania) have been rolled out in front of the cameras to tell everyone that the club has been completely open and transparent with the fans over the share issue.

I wonder how stupid they feel now.he's been making a fool of them for years and they've taken it :hilarious why would they change now, they're pathetic :agree:

[Mikey]

The boy sounds desperate.

The boy sounds like an utter roaster.

But he's turning over the Yams so he'll do for me :greengrin

[matty_f]

Lots of Hearts people (and I mean real Hearts people, not utter shysters from Lithuania) have been rolled out in front of the cameras to tell everyone that the club has been completely open and transparent with the fans over the share issue.

I wonder how stupid they feel now.

They're Yams- they're used to it.


Their fans are just showing now that no matter how hard and how often Vladand his cronies shaft them, they still lap it up. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if even if the share issue gets fully subscribed and they scramble together the £2m they still end up missing wages and bills long before the season us out.

[inglisavhibs]

I notice that SF answered that the debt level currently stands at £24M. That was the debt level 16 months ago when their last set of accounts were published. They've openly stated that the club still isn't self-sufficient, so what is the current debt level? It sure as **** ain't £24M.
I think their net debt in these accounts was nearer £30m. If so that's the real number and it won't have gone down any since.

[Mikey]

That BBC article has been live for 20 mins and it still hasn't been considered worthy of discussion on KB.

[JimBHibees]

They're Yams- they're used to it.


Their fans are just showing now that no matter how hard and how often Vladand his cronies shaft them, they still lap it up. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if even if the share issue gets fully subscribed and they scramble together the £2m they still end up missing wages and bills long before the season us out.

£2m (interesting how they have changed it from the original 1.79m figure) surely isnt enough especially if they lose the tax case.

[Saorsa]

That BBC article has been live for 20 mins and it still hasn't been considered worthy of discussion on KB.:vladsheep: :agree:

[Judas Iscariot]

Going to be loads of hungry and pressie-less bairns doon Gorgay way at this rate...

Nae joy

[YehButNoBut]

From BBC site

Hearts shares were offered to pay tax, says Sergejus Fedotovas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20271068?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Mikey]

£2m (interesting how they have changed it from the original 1.79m figure) surely isnt enough especially if they lose the tax case.

The £2m they need doesn't include the probable £1.79m tax bill.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Desperate Dan just nailed it.

They're pathetic.

Pathetic team, pathetic owner and most pertinently, pathetic fans.

Sat back and done f****ll for years and now they want to 'do their bit and at least say I've tried'.

We tried, everyone tried, to tell you years ago but you forced the 'we owe it to ourselves' line down everyone's throats. Aye, barry, cos I dae that Jambos. I borrow money from masel and charge masel interest. Absolute pathetic shower of helmets.

Rot in hell you horrible, manky, corrupt, cheating, brainless, arrogant, pompous, over-inflated, bigoted stain of embarrassment on the underpants of Scottish society.

Rot. And rot good and proper.

Therapist, Le Chat, I.J, Shaun f*****g Lawson....gonnae back-track and delete your Vladlove posts? Or at least apologise for being naive, stupid and a collective quartet or zoomers?

Take your ill-gotten 5v1 and ram it right up your Ali Carters. Cheers.

[jacomo]

Lots of Hearts people (and I mean real Hearts people, not utter shysters from Lithuania) have been rolled out in front of the cameras to tell everyone that the club has been completely open and transparent with the fans over the share issue.

I wonder how stupid they feel now.

The share issue is an omnishambles.

[johnrebus]

I have just asked Jane Lewis (BBC) about this. She agreed and says it will be discussed on Sportsound tonight.


Hopefully Jane Lewis can pull in Robbo and asked him how it feels to have been, 'duped', into his 'Ambassadors Roll', ?

Mind you you when he heard the word, 'Roll', he probably got the wrong idea..........,



:nanawave::ostrich::yamlaugh:

[Sergey]

Desperate Dan just nailed it.

They're pathetic.

Pathetic team, pathetic owner and most pertinently, pathetic fans.

Sat back and done f****ll for years and now they want to 'do their bit and at least say I've tried'.

We tried, everyone tried, to tell you years ago but you forced the 'we owe it to ourselves' line down everyone's throats. Aye, barry, cos I dae that Jambos. I borrow money from masel and charge masel interest. Absolute pathetic shower of helmets.

Rot in hell you horrible, manky, corrupt, cheating, brainless, arrogant, pompous, over-inflated, bigoted stain of embarrassment on the underpants of Scottish society.

Rot. And rot good and proper.

Therapist, Le Chat, I.J, Shaun f*****g Lawson....gonnae back-track and delete your Vladlove posts? Or at least apologise for being naive, stupid and a collective quartet or zoomers?

Take your ill-gotten 5v1 and ram it right up your Ali Carters. Cheers.

:top marks

Your best post since your Mikolounis gibe a few years ago!

[bignelly83]

Thought I would lend a hand to those struggling over by.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13896130_Hearts_wonga.png (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13896130/Hearts_wonga.png.html)

[Mikey]

Hopefully Jane Lewis can pull in Robbo

Has she got a tugboat?

[Benny Brazil]

The below quote from the BBC website and the interview with Fedotovas has an underlying tone to it - or maybe I am reading too much into it:

"I think they [Hearts] will continue, but only with the help of the people and with the good will and determination," added Fedotovas.


When does a Director of a company ever refer to his employer as they - surely it would be "we" - maybe they are already planning their swift exit from the Yams.

[green glory]

From Brokeback:


Anyway, I think that Serge actually came up with some words of comfort during it whilst not giving the journalist the story he was wanting.

JAMBOGEDDON.

[Mikey]

That BBC article has been live for 20 mins and it still hasn't been considered worthy of discussion on KB.

And finally..........


Hearts always said that the money from the share issue would be used for the day to day running of the club - that includes wages and tax/NI.


Good one :aok:

[Sergey]

Lots of Hearts people (and I mean real Hearts people, not utter shysters from Lithuania) have been rolled out in front of the cameras to tell everyone that the club has been completely open and transparent with the fans over the share issue.

I wonder how stupid they feel now.

The whole debacle has been nothing but an elaborate ruse since day one. I'd go as far to say that the duping of the fans is bordering on a form of fraud. To be told one thing one day and then for the truth to come out two days later after donations have been made really does stink of some sort of ponzi scheme set-up.

Can you imagine doing business with that lot? Shysters indeed!

[johnrebus]

Desperate Dan just nailed it.

They're pathetic.

Pathetic team, pathetic owner and most pertinently, pathetic fans.

Sat back and done f****ll for years and now they want to 'do their bit and at least say I've tried'.

We tried, everyone tried, to tell you years ago but you forced the 'we owe it to ourselves' line down everyone's throats. Aye, barry, cos I dae that Jambos. I borrow money from masel and charge masel interest. Absolute pathetic shower of helmets.

Rot in hell you horrible, manky, corrupt, cheating, brainless, arrogant, pompous, over-inflated, bigoted stain of embarrassment on the underpants of Scottish society.

Rot. And rot good and proper.

Therapist, Le Chat, I.J, Shaun f*****g Lawson....gonnae back-track and delete your Vladlove posts? Or at least apologise for being naive, stupid and a collective quartet or zoomers?

Take your ill-gotten 5v1 and ram it right up your Ali Carters. Cheers.


:top marks

:singing: This should be set to the tune of ' A message to you Ru-di :singing:

[JimBHibees]

The £2m they need doesn't include the probable £1.79m tax bill.

Even then never enough.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

:top marks

Your best post since your Mikolounis gibe a few years ago!

Can't even remember that one, I've had that many potshots at they plebs I struggle to recall.

[johnrebus]

Has she got a tugboat?

No.

A bag of Scotch Pies.

:greengrin

[silverhibee]

It would simply highlight just how spineless their players are if they come out before next Friday and say that they're not going to take their pay this month.

They would be of there f***ing heads to do that after the way they have been treated in not getting paid on time in the past.

They will want there wages when they are due.

[Sergey]

Can't even remember that one, I've had that many potshots at they plebs I struggle to recall.

I read it recently as it's stored in The Vault.

Still as pertinent today:


But when it mattered, when it really, really mattered, we rose and we unified to save our club from being effectively neutered, defaced and pillaged and trampled on. Did you? No, you pulled your corduroy trousers down, slapped your own cheeks and begged Vlad to "cup my balls and call me Mikoliunas". Don't ever compare the way we feel about our club to the way you spineless, gutless, pitless fools do.

[Hibiza]

:flag:
It's Hearts pay day tomorrow.

Or is it :devil:

:lurksub:

[Crazyhorse]

The whole debacle has been nothing but an elaborate ruse since day one. I'd go as far to say that the duping of the fans is bordering on a form of fraud. To be told one thing one day and then for the truth to come out two days later after donations have been made really does stink of some sort of ponzi scheme set-up.

Can you imagine doing business with that lot? Shysters indeed!

Like most Hibs fans I have no sympathy with the clowns and hope they get fleeced one last time. Long time ago (couple of decades) I was friendly with Jambos who I worked with, played footy with etc. Can't say that anymore they all disappeared up their backsides over the past few 'glorious' years. I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire. I don't give a shiote about the derby I want to see them disappear to the junior leagues.

[Beefster]

The hypocrisy on Sickbag is completely staggering. Railing against journalists for asking the Yam chairman if not paying taxes is acceptable only months after demanding that Rangers were [rightly] punished to the fullest extent for exactly the same offence.

They are cheating bawbags whose living on the never-never and cheating of the public purse is coming home to roost, after years of being warned that this day would come. Tomorrow wouldn't be soon enough for that sh*tehouse of an organisation to disappear.

[hibees 7062]

Desperate Dan just nailed it.

They're pathetic.

Pathetic team, pathetic owner and most pertinently, pathetic fans.

Sat back and done f****ll for years and now they want to 'do their bit and at least say I've tried'.

We tried, everyone tried, to tell you years ago but you forced the 'we owe it to ourselves' line down everyone's throats. Aye, barry, cos I dae that Jambos. I borrow money from masel and charge masel interest. Absolute pathetic shower of helmets.

Rot in hell you horrible, manky, corrupt, cheating, brainless, arrogant, pompous, over-inflated, bigoted stain of embarrassment on the underpants of Scottish society.

Rot. And rot good and proper.
Therapist, Le Chat, I.J, Shaun f*****g Lawson....gonnae back-track and delete your Vladlove posts? Or at least apologise for being naive, stupid and a collective quartet or zoomers?

Take your ill-gotten 5v1 and ram it right up your Ali Carters. Cheers.

Bet your glad you got that of your chest :top marks

[Jack Hackett]

Desperate Dan just nailed it.

They're pathetic.

Pathetic team, pathetic owner and most pertinently, pathetic fans.

Sat back and done f****ll for years and now they want to 'do their bit and at least say I've tried'.

We tried, everyone tried, to tell you years ago but you forced the 'we owe it to ourselves' line down everyone's throats. Aye, barry, cos I dae that Jambos. I borrow money from masel and charge masel interest. Absolute pathetic shower of helmets.

Rot in hell you horrible, manky, corrupt, cheating, brainless, arrogant, pompous, over-inflated, bigoted stain of embarrassment on the underpants of Scottish society.

Rot. And rot good and proper.

Therapist, Le Chat, I.J, Shaun f*****g Lawson....gonnae back-track and delete your Vladlove posts? Or at least apologise for being naive, stupid and a collective quartet or zoomers?

Take your ill-gotten 5v1 and ram it right up your Ali Carters. Cheers.

Most eloquent Sir :greengrin

[jacomo]

The hypocrisy on Sickbag is completely staggering. Railing against journalists for asking the Yam chairman if not paying taxes is acceptable only months after demanding that Rangers were [rightly] punished to the fullest extent for exactly the same offence.

They are cheating bawbags whose living on the never-never and cheating of the public purse is coming home to roost, after years of being warned that this day would come. Tomorrow wouldn't be soon enough for that sh*tehouse of an organisation to disappear.

The Rangers case was always going to set a precedent for the next club in financial peril. The Yams were too thick to realise the implications.

[hibees 7062]

Desperate Dan just nailed it.

They're pathetic.

Pathetic team, pathetic owner and most pertinently, pathetic fans.

Sat back and done f****ll for years and now they want to 'do their bit and at least say I've tried'.

We tried, everyone tried, to tell you years ago but you forced the 'we owe it to ourselves' line down everyone's throats. Aye, barry, cos I dae that Jambos. I borrow money from masel and charge masel interest. Absolute pathetic shower of helmets.

Rot in hell you horrible, manky, corrupt, cheating, brainless, arrogant, pompous, over-inflated, bigoted stain of embarrassment on the underpants of Scottish society.

Rot. And rot good and proper.

Therapist, Le Chat, I.J, Shaun f*****g Lawson....gonnae back-track and delete your Vladlove posts? Or at least apologise for being naive, stupid and a collective quartet or zoomers?

Take your ill-gotten 5v1 and ram it right up your Ali Carters. Cheers.

Can we have this on a banner for the SC game ?

[euansdad]

Their reaction to these events is indicative of their outlook on life. It's always someone else's fault when the truth is, as said before, this is a situation of their own making

[matty_f]

The Rangers case was always going to set a precedent for the next club in financial peril. The Yams were too thick to realise the implications.

I said at the time that their attitude would come back to bite their erses.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Can we have this on a banner for the SC game ?

Nope, that's just a prelude to a proper rant that I'll slap on here in the next few days.

And I'm gonna nail it on the JKB masts as well to spell out the truth to them too. I'll take the IP ban for it as well. Doesnae bother me, that website will be redundant in a week or so anyway.

Their grandkids will support Hibernian. The end.

[monktonharp]

Your average Yam really is like a battered wife who refuses to leave because "he loves me".you should not be saying that, in these deperate times. there has been a remarkable increase in wife beating over the last few days covering the Gorgie/Dalry hotspot.

[le bill]

John McGlynn, Paul Hartley, Andy Webster, Stephen Pressley, Rudi Scatchel, John Robertson, Stephen Hendry, Stephene Adam, Gary Mckay, Joe Jordan, Wayne Foster, Sandy Clark, George Burley, Alfie Conn, Alex Young, Paulo Sergio, Jim Jeffries, Eggert Jonnson, Ian Black, Jamie Macdondald, Ronnie Corbett, Ryan Mcgowan, Chris Robinson, Phil Anderton, George Foulkes, Danny Grainger, Marius Zaliukas, Drew Busby, Ken Stott, Ryan Stevenson, Sandy Jardine, Donald Ford, Dave Mckay, Andy Driver, Tommy Mclean, Gary Mckay, Suso Santana, Alex Salmond, Darren Barr & the Fax Machine..............

YOU BOYS ARE GETTING ONE HELL OF A BEATING!

GIRFUY!

(Feel Free to expand list :greengrin )

[dangermouse]

John McGlynn, Paul Hartley, Andy Webster, Stephen Pressley, Rudi Scatchel, John Robertson, Stephen Hendry, Stephene Adam, Gary Mckay, Joe Jordan, Wayne Foster, Sandy Clark, George Burley, Alfie Conn, Alex Young, Paulo Sergio, Jim Jeffries, Eggert Jonnson, Ian Black, Jamie Macdondald, Ronnie Corbett, Ryan Mcgowan, Chris Robinson, Phil Anderton, George Foulkes, Danny Grainger, Marius Zaliukas, Drew Busby, Ken Stott, Ryan Stevenson, Sandy Jardine, Donald Ford, Dave Mckay, Andy Driver, Tommy Mclean, Gary Mckay, Suso Santana, Alex Salmond, Darren Barr & the Fax Machine..............

YOU BOYS ARE GETTING ONE HELL OF A BEATING!

GIRFUY!

(Feel Free to expand list :greengrin )

I would have added Ryan Stevenson in twice :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Question for the accountancy fraternity (just like old times on the Huns' thread :wink:):

say they go into Yaministration, with a debt to UBIG of £25M. We know UBIG have security over Tynie, so can the administrator just give it to UBIG in lieu of some of that debt? Or do they have to put it up for sale on the open market? I assume not given how the Hun sale worked out. Either way, if we assume Tiny only clears £8M of the debt, is the other £17M treated as unsecured? Does it go into the debt pile and they are allocated a %age to vote on any CVA?

[Stevie Reid]

We were recently given the option (which I undertook) to pay to have a message of our choosing as part of the fabric of the East Stand for a very, very long time.

They are being asked to throw money into a black hole to keep their club going for an indeterminate length of time.

Up yeez.

[JeMeSouviens]

Has anybody contacted Hibs and/or the SFA to find out if the Yams' blatant tax cheating is under investigation?

[H1bs6H3arts2 FC]

I would have added Ryan Stevenson in twice :greengrin

:faf: :faf: :faf: :faf: :faf: :faf:

[CropleyWasGod]

Question for the accountancy fraternity (just like old times on the Huns' thread :wink:):

say they go into Yaministration, with a debt to UBIG of £25M. We know UBIG have security over Tynie, so can the administrator just give it to UBIG in lieu of some of that debt? Or do they have to put it up for sale on the open market? I assume not given how the Hun sale worked out. Either way, if we assume Tiny only clears £8M of the debt, is the other £17M treated as unsecured? Does it go into the debt pile and they are allocated a %age to vote on any CVA?

First off, I don't think administration will happen.

However, if it does, the short answer is "no". Administration basically protects a company from that sort of act. (Conversely, if they were of a mind to, UBIG could exercise their rights under the security and take over Tynie.... BEFORE administration happened. I don't think they have the time to do that before next week, though). So, yes, it would have to go on the open market.

In your scenario, there would be no cash left once Tynie was sold off and UBIG paid. So there couldn't be a CVA.

Which is where I came in.... I think an administrator, if one was appointed, would put the company into liquidation almost immediately.

[truehibernian]

Just watched the interview with Comical Sergujusand I think it's Gordon Cree (who I also think is a big Jambo) - absolutely priceless and I have to commend Gordon for a great interview - one of the few who has attempted to really put him on the spot.

So he blanks the question 'is Romanov wanting to sell Hearts' which contradicts past interviews with him saying he is looking for a buyer. He admits Hearts were 'trying to be a big club' - so they're not a big club after all :greengrin Blames the economy, not the owner for the £40 million worth of debt and the predicament they find themselves in - and our 'Scottish mentality' precludes us from thinking it's okay for a company to not pay taxes if it means we are good for the community and good for kids.

Deary deary deary me, whit a stramash as a wise old commentator used to say :faf: Even my sympathy levels are running on empty now - tombolas, fun fairs, lucky dips - they are in dire straits - maybe they can shift some of those cashmere 'RR' sweaters for £90 that are gathering dust in boxes in the Tynie lofts :agree:

[Part/Time Supporter]

Question for the accountancy fraternity (just like old times on the Huns' thread :wink:):

say they go into Yaministration, with a debt to UBIG of £25M. We know UBIG have security over Tynie, so can the administrator just give it to UBIG in lieu of some of that debt? Or do they have to put it up for sale on the open market? I assume not given how the Hun sale worked out. Either way, if we assume Tiny only clears £8M of the debt, is the other £17M treated as unsecured? Does it go into the debt pile and they are allocated a %age to vote on any CVA?

An administrator wouldn't look to sell the PBS. Assuming they were acting independently (not D&P style) they would look to cut costs to stop losing money straight away. Then they would look to find a buyer as a going concern. Assuming you get to that stage you would get some sort of CVA proposal. UBIG/Vlad would have votes in the CVA, but only to the extent that their debt is greater than the secured assets (PBS).

It's only if a liquidator is appointed you would go quickly to the stage of looking to sell the PBS.

[JeMeSouviens]

In your scenario, there would be no cash left once Tynie was sold off and UBIG paid. So there couldn't be a CVA.


I *knew* I was missing something obvious. Thanks. :greengrin

[le bill]

John McGlynn, Paul Hartley, Andy Webster, Stephen Pressley, Rudi Scatchel, John Robertson, Stephen Hendry, Stephene Adam, Gary Mckay, Joe Jordan, Wayne Foster, Sandy Clark, George Burley, Alfie Conn, Alex Young, Paulo Sergio, Jim Jeffries, Eggert Jonnson, Ian Black, Jamie Macdondald, Ronnie Corbett, Ryan Mcgowan, Chris Robinson, Phil Anderton, George Foulkes, Danny Grainger, Marius Zaliukas, Drew Busby, Ken Stott, Ryan Stevenson, Sandy Jardine, Donald Ford, Dave Mckay, Andy Driver, Tommy Mclean, Gary Mckay, Suso Santana, Alex Salmond, Darren Barr, The Fax Machine & Ryan Stevenson again..............

YOU BOYS ARE GETTING ONE HELL OF A BEATING!

GIRFUY!

(Feel Free to expand list :greengrin )



There fixed it now :thumbsup:

[EskbankHibby]

The below quote from the BBC website and the interview with Fedotovas has an underlying tone to it - or maybe I am reading too much into it:

"I think they [Hearts] will continue, but only with the help of the people and with the good will and determination," added Fedotovas.


When does a Director of a company ever refer to his employer as they - surely it would be "we" - maybe they are already planning their swift exit from the Yams.


How is this for jaw dropping arrogance/stupidity, from the same interview -

"This is not just a usual business. It's a club, it's an institution. It means a lot to people in Edinburgh and in this country."

Basically we are Hearts therefore we can cheat with impunity. The rules that apply to every citizen, every taxpayer every small or large business in Britain do not apply to us.

Absolutely breathtaking.

[iwasthere1972]

Meanwhile Balram Chainrai and Portpin Group suspend bid to buy Portsmouth.

Obviously seen a better investment somewhere else. :greengrin

[WindyMiller]

One Yam daftie has even suggested the buying of a 3/5 year season ticket. Are they completely bonkers. Vlad would just love that.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/120118-3-5-year-season-tickets/#entry3234208

If you wrote this as a piece of fiction folk would laugh at ye.......................


"Good morning ******


I'm sure you're being bombarded at the moment with emails full of deep concern or wonderful ideas so apologies for taking up more of your time.


I was reading through hmfckickback last night and came across a thread regarding 3/5 year season tickets. It was an idea that Hearts have worked in the past when selling 500 club schemes. To be honest I have no idea how successful or otherwise this was but it is certainly an idea I would subscribe to right now which I would find preferable to shares.


Therefore I am contacting you in an attempt to find out if such an avenue may be explored. It would involve realeasing a maximum 2,000 season tickets to be pre-paid. This would/could raise the necessary funding while leaving anywhere between 6,000 and 8,000 season ticket holders as "per season" renewals to cover season to season running costs. Bear in mind it has been well documented that the priority from now on is to compete with teams around us (ie non-Old Firm teams) while becoming self sufficient. The teams "around us" can probably only dream of 6,000-8,000 season ticket holders (with the possible exception of Aberdeen) to help with their ongoing costs. As a result this should leave Hearts well placed to invest in youth or even the odd "luxury" player that would make the difference.


My suggested prices of £1,100 for 3 years or £1,750 for 5 years is based, as stated in my post, on my Silver season ticket and in both cases works out at just under £20 per game. Bronze could be based on exactly £15 per game, meaning £855 for 3 years and £1,425 for 5 years. Gold could be based on just under £22 per game (£1,200 for 3 years and £1,950 for 5 years) and platinum at just under £25 per game (£1,350 for 3 years and £2,200 for 5 years). The prices per match are an absolute bargain, especially when taking into account probable price rises over the period, so I believe if people could get the cash together this could sell.




As you can see there are 8 categories there so if Hearts were to release 250 full price tickets in each category that would potentially realise the following:


250 x 3 year Bronze @ £855 £213,750
250 x 5 year Bronze @ £1425 £356,250
250 x 3 year Silver @ £1100 £275,000
250 x 5 year Silver @ £1750 £437,500
250 x 3 year Gold @ £1200 £300,000
250 x 5 year Gold @ £1950 £487,500
250 x 3 year Platinum @ £1350 £337,500
250 x 5 year Platinum @ £2200 £550,000




Total £2,957,500



Just stop it!


:faf::faf::faf:

[Pedantic_Hibee]

If you wrote this as a piece of fiction folk would laugh at ye.......................


"Good morning ******


I'm sure you're being bombarded at the moment with emails full of deep concern or wonderful ideas so apologies for taking up more of your time.


I was reading through hmfckickback last night and came across a thread regarding 3/5 year season tickets. It was an idea that Hearts have worked in the past when selling 500 club schemes. To be honest I have no idea how successful or otherwise this was but it is certainly an idea I would subscribe to right now which I would find preferable to shares.


Therefore I am contacting you in an attempt to find out if such an avenue may be explored. It would involve realeasing a maximum 2,000 season tickets to be pre-paid. This would/could raise the necessary funding while leaving anywhere between 6,000 and 8,000 season ticket holders as "per season" renewals to cover season to season running costs. Bear in mind it has been well documented that the priority from now on is to compete with teams around us (ie non-Old Firm teams) while becoming self sufficient. The teams "around us" can probably only dream of 6,000-8,000 season ticket holders (with the possible exception of Aberdeen) to help with their ongoing costs. As a result this should leave Hearts well placed to invest in youth or even the odd "luxury" player that would make the difference.


My suggested prices of £1,100 for 3 years or £1,750 for 5 years is based, as stated in my post, on my Silver season ticket and in both cases works out at just under £20 per game. Bronze could be based on exactly £15 per game, meaning £855 for 3 years and £1,425 for 5 years. Gold could be based on just under £22 per game (£1,200 for 3 years and £1,950 for 5 years) and platinum at just under £25 per game (£1,350 for 3 years and £2,200 for 5 years). The prices per match are an absolute bargain, especially when taking into account probable price rises over the period, so I believe if people could get the cash together this could sell.




As you can see there are 8 categories there so if Hearts were to release 250 full price tickets in each category that would potentially realise the following:


250 x 3 year Bronze @ £855 £213,750
250 x 5 year Bronze @ £1425 £356,250
250 x 3 year Silver @ £1100 £275,000
250 x 5 year Silver @ £1750 £437,500
250 x 3 year Gold @ £1200 £300,000
250 x 5 year Gold @ £1950 £487,500
250 x 3 year Platinum @ £1350 £337,500
250 x 5 year Platinum @ £2200 £550,000




Total £2,957,500



Just stop it!


:faf::faf::faf:

Awwwww nut, I'm in cardiac arrest here :faf:

[le bill]

If you wrote this as a piece of fiction folk would laugh at ye.......................


"Good morning ******


I'm sure you're being bombarded at the moment with emails full of deep concern or wonderful ideas so apologies for taking up more of your time.


I was reading through hmfckickback last night and came across a thread regarding 3/5 year season tickets. It was an idea that Hearts have worked in the past when selling 500 club schemes. To be honest I have no idea how successful or otherwise this was but it is certainly an idea I would subscribe to right now which I would find preferable to shares.


Therefore I am contacting you in an attempt to find out if such an avenue may be explored. It would involve realeasing a maximum 2,000 season tickets to be pre-paid. This would/could raise the necessary funding while leaving anywhere between 6,000 and 8,000 season ticket holders as "per season" renewals to cover season to season running costs. Bear in mind it has been well documented that the priority from now on is to compete with teams around us (ie non-Old Firm teams) while becoming self sufficient. The teams "around us" can probably only dream of 6,000-8,000 season ticket holders (with the possible exception of Aberdeen) to help with their ongoing costs. As a result this should leave Hearts well placed to invest in youth or even the odd "luxury" player that would make the difference.


My suggested prices of £1,100 for 3 years or £1,750 for 5 years is based, as stated in my post, on my Silver season ticket and in both cases works out at just under £20 per game. Bronze could be based on exactly £15 per game, meaning £855 for 3 years and £1,425 for 5 years. Gold could be based on just under £22 per game (£1,200 for 3 years and £1,950 for 5 years) and platinum at just under £25 per game (£1,350 for 3 years and £2,200 for 5 years). The prices per match are an absolute bargain, especially when taking into account probable price rises over the period, so I believe if people could get the cash together this could sell.




As you can see there are 8 categories there so if Hearts were to release 250 full price tickets in each category that would potentially realise the following:


250 x 3 year Bronze @ £855 £213,750
250 x 5 year Bronze @ £1425 £356,250
250 x 3 year Silver @ £1100 £275,000
250 x 5 year Silver @ £1750 £437,500
250 x 3 year Gold @ £1200 £300,000
250 x 5 year Gold @ £1950 £487,500
250 x 3 year Platinum @ £1350 £337,500
250 x 5 year Platinum @ £2200 £550,000




Total £2,957,500



Just stop it!


:faf::faf::faf:




ABSOLUTE CLASSIC !
:faf::faf::faf::faf:

In a few hours time this will be cut and pasted onto the Hearts Official WebSite!

:faf:

[johnrebus]

If you wrote this as a piece of fiction folk would laugh at ye.......................


"Good morning ******


I'm sure you're being bombarded at the moment with emails full of deep concern or wonderful ideas so apologies for taking up more of your time.


I was reading through hmfckickback last night and came across a thread regarding 3/5 year season tickets. It was an idea that Hearts have worked in the past when selling 500 club schemes. To be honest I have no idea how successful or otherwise this was but it is certainly an idea I would subscribe to right now which I would find preferable to shares.


Therefore I am contacting you in an attempt to find out if such an avenue may be explored. It would involve realeasing a maximum 2,000 season tickets to be pre-paid. This would/could raise the necessary funding while leaving anywhere between 6,000 and 8,000 season ticket holders as "per season" renewals to cover season to season running costs. Bear in mind it has been well documented that the priority from now on is to compete with teams around us (ie non-Old Firm teams) while becoming self sufficient. The teams "around us" can probably only dream of 6,000-8,000 season ticket holders (with the possible exception of Aberdeen) to help with their ongoing costs. As a result this should leave Hearts well placed to invest in youth or even the odd "luxury" player that would make the difference.


My suggested prices of £1,100 for 3 years or £1,750 for 5 years is based, as stated in my post, on my Silver season ticket and in both cases works out at just under £20 per game. Bronze could be based on exactly £15 per game, meaning £855 for 3 years and £1,425 for 5 years. Gold could be based on just under £22 per game (£1,200 for 3 years and £1,950 for 5 years) and platinum at just under £25 per game (£1,350 for 3 years and £2,200 for 5 years). The prices per match are an absolute bargain, especially when taking into account probable price rises over the period, so I believe if people could get the cash together this could sell.




As you can see there are 8 categories there so if Hearts were to release 250 full price tickets in each category that would potentially realise the following:


250 x 3 year Bronze @ £855 £213,750
250 x 5 year Bronze @ £1425 £356,250
250 x 3 year Silver @ £1100 £275,000
250 x 5 year Silver @ £1750 £437,500
250 x 3 year Gold @ £1200 £300,000
250 x 5 year Gold @ £1950 £487,500
250 x 3 year Platinum @ £1350 £337,500
250 x 5 year Platinum @ £2200 £550,000




Total £2,957,500



Just stop it!


:faf::faf::faf:


I think we should all just send them a cheque for £2,000,000.

it would be worth the bank charge.


:greengrin

[Hibercelona]

Own up. Who was it? :greengrin


Surely they can't be in the slightest bit serious.

Then again....

[Stevie Reid]

Own up. Who was it? :greengrin


Surely they can't be in the slightest bit serious.

Then again....

I would say that the fact that even in that mail they couldn't resist having a dig at Hibs and playing the BIG team card, that it was genuine.

[truehibernian]

And still he/she couldn't resist a wee pop at Hibs by saying 'other clubs around us could only dream of having 6-8000 season tickets' - nah pal/love, we live in reality at Hibernian and have just a touch under 8000 this end of town - and have had more previously when we were doing well - so keep taking the bitterest pills - two in the morning, two at night, with food, and plenty of vino collapso :wink:

I think I said to Desperate Dan yesterday I was sympathetic towards my Jambo chums - this last 2 days has tested even my levels of compassion. I feel you could have been right all along DD.

[poolman]

A couple of snippets from the Pink Poverty squad over on Yakbak about the demise of the Huns

Oh the irony :not worth



I'd just like to make clear that I also want the tax dodging cheats kicked out of the league (and, preferably, the universe).( hear hear, it should apply to all clubs ) :greengrin



Not in a million years did I think it would be as much fun as it has been...and we're only on the first course! http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif ( tables turned right round now eh )

[surreyhibbie]

That is surely a wind up!!!

:greengrin

[Saorsa]

And still he/she couldn't resist a wee pop at Hibs by saying 'other clubs around us could only dream of having 6-8000 season tickets' - nah pal/love, we live in reality at Hibernian and have just a touch under 8000 this end of town - and have had more previously when we were doing well - so keep taking the bitterest pills - two in the morning, two at night, with food, and plenty of vino collapso :wink:

I think I said to Desperate Dan yesterday I was sympathetic towards my Jambo chums - this last 2 days has tested even my levels of compassion. I feel you could have been right all along DD.:wink:

[Golden Bear]

Looks like it's now possible that Vlad will LEND them the money

:rolleyes:


http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/199675-hearts-director-hopeful-vladimir-romanov-could-loan-hearts-tax-bill-cash/

[green glory]

http://www.edinburgh-capitals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=475:capitals-do-a-ticket-deal-with-hearts-fc&catid=2:news&Itemid=7

Well I won't be going to see them anytime soon.

[jdships]

First off, I don't think administration will happen.

However, if it does, the short answer is "no". Administration basically protects a company from that sort of act. (Conversely, if they were of a mind to, UBIG could exercise their rights under the security and take over Tynie.... BEFORE administration happened. I don't think they have the time to do that before next week, though). So, yes, it would have to go on the open market.

In your scenario, there would be no cash left once Tynie was sold off and UBIG paid. So there couldn't be a CVA.

Which is where I came in.... I think an administrator, if one was appointed, would put the company into liquidation almost immediately.

I tend to agree with what you say above
Have resisted getting involved in this 'debate' as I know very littl/nothing about insolvency et al , however having spoken this morning with a retired CA who was involved in a number of such cases .
He reckons it all revolves round Romanov and what he intends to do if there is a shortfall in funds to meet the Tax Bill next week .
Also if R looks on HMFC as an asset will he keep it afloat in the hope of finding a buyer .

Don't know if that makes sense to the experts but agree there will be a few 'twists and turns' before we see the end of this saga .

:rolleyes:

[Springbank]

Glorious stuff. In their hour of need they have raised precisely one twentieth of what they need. Wow!

Only 95% to go (or 1.9m as its known)

[Part/Time Supporter]

http://www.edinburgh-capitals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=475:capitals-do-a-ticket-deal-with-hearts-fc&catid=2:news&Itemid=7

Well I won't be going to see them anytime soon.

It's quite a clever idea. Hooks in some Jambos at a discounted rate, when they may have some leisure time to fill in the near future...

[CropleyWasGod]

I tend to agree with what you say above
Have resisted getting involved in this 'debate' as I know very littl/nothing about insolvency et al , however having spoken this morning with a retired CA who was involved in a number of such cases .
He reckons it all revolves round Romanov and what he intends to do if there is a shortfall in funds to meet the Tax Bill next week .
Also if R looks on HMFC as an asset will he keep it afloat in the hope of finding a buyer .

Don't know if that makes sense to the experts but agree there will be a few 'twists and turns' before we see the end of this saga .

:rolleyes:

If there is a shortfall, what Romanov intends to do is of little consequence. The winding-up order will be granted.

[NOLA]

If there is a shortfall, what Romanov intends to do is of little consequence. The winding-up order will be granted.
is that mr potato head in your avatar?

[jgl07]

http://www.edinburgh-capitals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=475:capitals-do-a-ticket-deal-with-hearts-fc&catid=2:news&Itemid=7

Well I won't be going to see them anytime soon.

They did a similar deal with Edinburgh Monarchs speedway team some time back.

They would probably do the same with Hibs, Livingston or any other team.

[CropleyWasGod]

is that mr potato head in your avatar?

Yup and, just like HMFC, he's had his chips.

[mglancy23]

http://www.edinburgh-capitals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=475:capitals-do-a-ticket-deal-with-hearts-fc&catid=2:news&Itemid=7

Well I won't be going to see them anytime soon.

Pretty poor from the caps to be honest, i understand the 25% discount to try and get supporters if hearts go bust but give them a donation! I hope they do the same next week for the Hibs? its only fair

am not going this weekend out of protest! Hearts Problems are hearts problems no one elses

[itchy07]

http://www.edinburgh-capitals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=475:capitals-do-a-ticket-deal-with-hearts-fc&catid=2:news&Itemid=7

Well I won't be going to see them anytime soon.

So what they're saying is spend £15 at the ice hockey and they'll give Hertz £3.75? Don't want to give them ideas, but wouldn't of been better just to give hertz yer £15??

[hibees 7062]

I think we should all just send them a cheque for £2,000,000.

it would be worth the bank charge.


:greengrin

Im in , lets all do that :greengrin

[iwasthere1972]

If you wrote this as a piece of fiction folk would laugh at ye.......................


"Good morning ******


I'm sure you're being bombarded at the moment with emails full of deep concern or wonderful ideas so apologies for taking up more of your time.


I was reading through hmfckickback last night and came across a thread regarding 3/5 year season tickets. It was an idea that Hearts have worked in the past when selling 500 club schemes. To be honest I have no idea how successful or otherwise this was but it is certainly an idea I would subscribe to right now which I would find preferable to shares.


Therefore I am contacting you in an attempt to find out if such an avenue may be explored. It would involve realeasing a maximum 2,000 season tickets to be pre-paid. This would/could raise the necessary funding while leaving anywhere between 6,000 and 8,000 season ticket holders as "per season" renewals to cover season to season running costs. Bear in mind it has been well documented that the priority from now on is to compete with teams around us (ie non-Old Firm teams) while becoming self sufficient. The teams "around us" can probably only dream of 6,000-8,000 season ticket holders (with the possible exception of Aberdeen) to help with their ongoing costs. As a result this should leave Hearts well placed to invest in youth or even the odd "luxury" player that would make the difference.


My suggested prices of £1,100 for 3 years or £1,750 for 5 years is based, as stated in my post, on my Silver season ticket and in both cases works out at just under £20 per game. Bronze could be based on exactly £15 per game, meaning £855 for 3 years and £1,425 for 5 years. Gold could be based on just under £22 per game (£1,200 for 3 years and £1,950 for 5 years) and platinum at just under £25 per game (£1,350 for 3 years and £2,200 for 5 years). The prices per match are an absolute bargain, especially when taking into account probable price rises over the period, so I believe if people could get the cash together this could sell.




As you can see there are 8 categories there so if Hearts were to release 250 full price tickets in each category that would potentially realise the following:


250 x 3 year Bronze @ £855 £213,750
250 x 5 year Bronze @ £1425 £356,250
250 x 3 year Silver @ £1100 £275,000
250 x 5 year Silver @ £1750 £437,500
250 x 3 year Gold @ £1200 £300,000
250 x 5 year Gold @ £1950 £487,500
250 x 3 year Platinum @ £1350 £337,500
250 x 5 year Platinum @ £2200 £550,000




Total £2,957,500



Just stop it!


:faf::faf::faf:

Just when you didn't think that Vlad would stoop so low he goes and infiltrates yessiricanbendover.com

[green glory]

So what they're saying is spend £15 at the ice hockey and they'll give Hertz £3.75? Don't want to give them ideas, but wouldn't of been better just to give hertz yer £15??

That's yamanomics!

[Peevemor]

I tend to agree with what you say above
Have resisted getting involved in this 'debate' as I know very littl/nothing about insolvency et al , however having spoken this morning with a retired CA who was involved in a number of such cases .
He reckons it all revolves round Romanov and what he intends to do if there is a shortfall in funds to meet the Tax Bill next week .
Also if R looks on HMFC as an asset will he keep it afloat in the hope of finding a buyer .

Don't know if that makes sense to the experts but agree there will be a few 'twists and turns' before we see the end of this saga .

:rolleyes:

The problem with Vlad keeping them going in the hope of finding a buyer is that the club currently has no money but requires £500k+ per month to keep going. Given what he's already done to other clubs, it really wouldn't surprise me if he just cut his losses (once he's finished fleecing the merricks of course).

[Seveno]

Can we have this on a banner for the SC game ?

Stick it on a plaque at the East Stand. :greengrin

[jacomo]

Looks like it's now possible that Vlad will LEND them the money

:rolleyes:


http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/199675-hearts-director-hopeful-vladimir-romanov-could-loan-hearts-tax-bill-cash/

In other words, it has been a bluff?

[hibees 7062]

Stick it on a plaque at the East Stand. :greengrin

Or the advertising board outside the ground :greengrin

[Golden Bear]

In other words, it has been a bluff?

There's a few "could", "ifs" and "perhaps in Fedotovas's statement so I guess he knows as much as the rest of us.

He's just a mouthpiece and the mad puppateer is pulling the strings.

[greenginger]

In other words, it has been a bluff?


Do they not know HMRC will hit them with another winding up order when next this month's tax bill is not paid. If all their season ticket money has gone they cannot possibly survive on walk up gate receipts, merchandice , and other incidental payments until the end of the season.

Bad timing to make that announcement I think. The Merricks will now consider themselves saved and blow their share monies getting slaughtered in their Gorgie Slums. :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

It wasn't an easy day back in May, but this really is the gift that keeps on giving. My Jambo neighbour won't even answer the door to me. Mind you, it's the first time in months i've called on him.

[WindyMiller]

It wasn't an easy day back in May, but this really is the gift that keeps on giving. My Jambo neighbour won't even answer the door to me. Mind you, it's the first time in months i've called on him.


Maybe you need to take of the Hector mask, Bob?

[alexedwards]

According to SSN Vlad will pay the 450k. For reasons given before he will not let that club die.

[The_Sauz]

http://www.edinburgh-capitals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=475:capitals-do-a-ticket-deal-with-hearts-fc&catid=2:news&Itemid=7

Well I won't be going to see them anytime soon.

What did you expect....Scott Neil is a Jambo :agree:
Scott runs the Capitals just like Vlad runs the Hearts....with other peoples money!

[essexhibee]

Vlad to pay 450k. Celebrated too early as I thought we had. Saved as always last minute.

[NRW_Hibbie]

Sticking plaster.

[WindyMiller]

According to SSN Vlad will pay the 450k. For reasons given before he will not let that club die.


That would depend on how you interpret his statement...........


The Lithuanian added: "We have been speaking to the companies of Mr Romanov and we have had some promising response.
"They say they will look at ways to help us out. Obviously not immediately, they require a certain time.
"I would not take that for granted but at least they are looking at ways to help us.
"At the end of the day any funding will have to be paid back - if we are able to get a fix it will be a short-term fix.
"So I think the best solution is for supporters to take this club into their own hands and ensure it will be here for many, many years."


Obviously the bit in bold would worry people. :agree:

[Golden Bear]

Vlad to pay 450k. Celebrated too early as I thought we had. Saved as always last minute.

Time will tell. All is not lost.

[God Petrie]

So Vlad is paying the £450k or "might" pay the £450k or he'll pay the £450k but wants it repaid later. Is there anything definitive about this yet? Sounds like a lot of heresay and conjecture without anything concrete.

[Gatecrasher]

So if he pays the £450k then they will still have £1.75m if the case goes against them

[The_Sauz]

They did a similar deal with Edinburgh Monarchs speedway team some time back.

They would probably do the same with Hibs, Livingston or any other team.

More chance of us winning that cup, than Scott Neil letting us in cheaper!

[SaulGoodman]

Vlad to pay 450k. Celebrated too early as I thought we had. Saved as always last minute.

Celebrated too early? This has been ****ing hilarious, it's only going to get worse for them too..

[Craig_in_Prague]

So Vlad is paying the £450k or "might" pay the £450k or he'll pay the £450k but wants it repaid later. Is there anything definitive about this yet? Sounds like a lot of heresay and conjecture without anything concrete.

I am watching SSN now on the yams. Heard nothing about vlad paying this bill.

ps. that director sounds an arrogant tossbag.

[matty_f]

Celebrated too early? This has been ****ing hilarious, it's only going to get worse for them too..

:agree: If anything, Vlad paying the bill is even better because it drags it out plus is more money to be paid back.

[essexhibee]

Celebrated too early? This has been ****ing hilarious, it's only going to get worse for them too..

I agree mate but if they worm out once again and survive its all been a celebration for nothing. Only vlad paying the 450k can save them I just want them gone forever!

[Steve20]

:agree: If anything, Vlad paying the bill is even better because it drags it out plus is more money to be paid back.

It's dragged on too long already. Wanted them gone asap and looks like we all got excited too soon.

[JeMeSouviens]

Nothing substantive has changed since this morning:




Very worrying times for #Hearts. Just spoke to someone close to the situation. Says if HMRC money is paid it would be a 'minor miracle.'

'Minor miracle'being if Vladimir Romanov pays. He has taken such payments to the brink many times before. Fans now digging deep. #Hearts


He has regularly been taking the wages payments *past* the brink. This ain't over yet. :wink:

[Golden Bear]

100 pages of outstanding entertainment on this thread alone.

:thumbsup:

[JeMeSouviens]

It's dragged on too long already. Wanted them gone asap and looks like we all got excited too soon.

Look at it this way, they are toiling big time over this £450K. What's a £3M+ bill going to do to them? Hope HMRC's case is a good one!

[KdyHby]

More chance of us winning that cup, than Scott Neil letting us in cheaper!

Next week's Caps game was £7 via Groupon, the jambos are getting charged more than double that this Saturday.......:wink:

[MoscowHibs]

Some cracking comments on here:
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151109743242563&id=249023147562&comment_id=22851642&notif_t=like
especially tae the **** roaster.

[The_Sauz]

Found this little bit about our Vlad

Chairman of the Lithuanian People's Party, Vladimir Romanov, has received over LTL 220 million (almost EUR 64 million) as presents this year.

The largest shareholder of Ūkio Bankas stated in his financial declaration that 22 private individuals and legal entities gave him LTL 9 999 999 as gifts each on 4 January, and another person gave him over LTL 3 million. Romanov also stated in his declaration that he has borrowed almost LTL 30 million this year.
Last year, Romanov stated in his property and income declaration that he owned property worth LTL 1.905 million and securities, as well as works of art and jewelry, worth LTL 176,404 million. He also had LTL 2.365 million in his bank accounts, and owed LTL 238.528 million in loans (http://www.15min.lt/en/article/in-lithuania/seimas-candidate-vladimir-romanov-received-almost-64-million-euros-as-presents-525-259443#). His declared income was LTL 20.132 million last year, and he paid LTL 135,000 in taxes.
Romanov is running for parliament in the upcoming Seimas elections on 14 October. He is leading the list of the party he established in February.


He earned (wages) £ 4,625,421m and yet only paid (so he says) £31,221 in tax last year :confused:

[Twa Cairpets]

What is astonishing and everyone seems to be missing is that this £450K cash isn't debt of money they've overspent, it never was their cash in the first place, it was the exchequers. Vlad, if he does condescend to pay this "debt" is only doing what every f****** business in the country must do - pay their dues. This has got nowt to do with their squad size or overspend, its the governments money. If they've been spending it to service other debts or running costs, they're rooked. For Vlad to say "I might pay, but its a loan that I want back" beggars belief. It. Wasn't. Your. Money. You. Insane. Fruitbat

I also find the pleading of Hearts and their mouthpieces reprehensible, immoral and disgusting. "Pay our taxes for us or you'll not have a team" is the most brazen illustration of the fact that Hearts, if nothing else, understand that their customer base defines the phrase "mug punters" like nothing else. It's exactly like a Nigerian 419 scam - just give us a little bit more and we'll get your money to you, its all OK, just need a bit more, then a bit more.

Any Hearts fan - even the alleged good guys that are out there - who puts a bean into any rescue scheme, share issue or collection pot deserves all they get.

[Mikey]

People are hearing what they want to hear, even Hibs fans.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Some of these absolute plums on ragback even calling Vlad a hero, for what? dragging their team down to a laughing stock...muppets the lot of them, blind ones at that.

[Saorsa]

People are hearing what they want to hear, even Hibs fans.I've no heard what I want tae hear yet :wink: Still it's been a good laugh so far and still heading in the right direction IMO.

[Gatecrasher]

People are hearing what they want to hear, even Hibs fans.
What do you mean Mikey?

[Twa Cairpets]

Almost peed masel'


Okay chaps and chapesses, brought this up on the fundraising ideas thread and had a bit of positive feedback so am gonna try and get this pulled together as another means of fundraising for the club.

My plan is for hearts fans and their friends and families to get some home baking done and we'll sell it off from tables in Mcleod St, Wheatfield Street and on Gorgie Road as fans head to the turnstiles.

Just 50 people turning up with 30 wee cakes/slices of big cake will provide 1500 items that could be sold for £1 each and therefore £1500 for the club. In all honesty I reckon we can probably do more than that!

[Hibercelona]

People are hearing what they want to hear, even Hibs fans.

I don't know about other Hibs fans, but i'm waiting to hear that they've hit the grave.

Still waiting.

[essexhibee]

People are hearing what they want to hear, even Hibs fans.

I just want to hear they've died :agree: the other snippets that come out with Vlad paying this etc don't fill me with confidence :rolleyes:.

The thread gets bigger and bigger time goes on but they haven't died yet and until they are wiped from the face of scottish football I won't have heard what I've wanted to hear :greengrin

[Mikey]

What do you mean Mikey?

The stuff about him paying the bill. He hasn't categorically said he will.

[fatbloke]

http://www.nasdaqomxbaltic.com/market/?pg=details&instrument=LT0000102352&list=2


Ukio Bankas share price down 7.19% today.

The End is Near.

[hibees 7062]

What is astonishing and everyone seems to be missing is that this £450K cash isn't debt of money they've overspent, it never was their cash in the first place, it was the exchequers. Vlad, if he does condescend to pay this "debt" is only doing what every f****** business in the country must do - pay their dues. This has got nowt to do with their squad size or overspend, its the governments money. If they've been spending it to service other debts or running costs, they're rooked. For Vlad to say "I might pay, but its a loan that I want back" beggars belief. It. Wasn't. Your. Money. You. Insane. Fruitbat

I also find the pleading of Hearts and their mouthpieces reprehensible, immoral and disgusting. "Pay our taxes for us or you'll not have a team" is the most brazen illustration of the fact that Hearts, if nothing else, understand that their customer base defines the phrase "mug punters" like nothing else. It's exactly like a Nigerian 419 scam - just give us a little bit more and we'll get your money to you, its all OK, just need a bit more, then a bit more.

Any Hearts fan - even the alleged good guys that are out there - who puts a bean into any rescue scheme, share issue or collection pot deserves all they get.

:top marks

[Franck Stanton]

So, Mad Vlad rides to the rescue with chequebook in hand to pay the tax-bill. Did anyone really think he wouldn't ? Given his history, it is just like him to pay up at the last minute possible. Be interesting to see what happens with the players wages which are due soon, - pay up and avoid any further sanctions , OR dont pay [on time] and incur further sanctions from SFA - points deduction ? In any case what happens about the massive tax bill ? They are just delaying the innevitable. Long slow dragged out death.

[Saorsa]

So, Mad Vlad rides to the rescue with chequebook in hand to pay the tax-bill. Did anyone really think he wouldn't ? Given his history, it is just like him to pay up at the last minute possible. Be interesting to see what happens with the players wages which are due soon, - pay up and avoid any further sanctions , OR dont pay [on time] and incur further sanctions from SFA - points deduction ? In any case what happens about the massive tax bill ? They are just delaying the innevitable. Long slow dragged out death.Has he? That's no what I read.

[Golden Bear]

http://www.nasdaqomxbaltic.com/market/?pg=details&instrument=LT0000102352&list=2


Ukio Bankas share price down 7.19% today.

The End is Near.

:titanic::titanic:

[Makalambay]

Who is this legendary financial advisor on SSN commenting on the Hearts situation wearing a green tie?! :top marks

[Devonhibs]

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Hiya Jambos, not long now:wink:

[CyberSauzee]

Talk about obfuscation! No mention of £450k needed for next Friday.


http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20121109/share-and-tickets-update_2241384_2975776?



Share and tickets update

09.11.2012
Hearts have today moved to clarify certain information that has been reported by the media.

The £2 million figure that has been quoted in various news outlets as being the amount required to supplement club revenue and keep the club afloat is, whilst desirable, a worst-case scenario amount. Every effort is being made by the board and club to increase revenues and raise a maximum amount of funds, and that is being complimented by the incredible fundraising efforts of Hearts supporters everywhere.

Every pound raised by the club will be used for the benefit of the club.

Supporters are reminded that the best way to play their part in helping to secure the future of the club is to purchase shares through the Share Offer. Supporters who purchase shares should know that cash sales will see the club take possession of the money up to a week faster than any other method.

Those supporters who wish to purchase shares but logistically cannot should remember that they can in fact still conclude the deal by downloading the application online, filling it properly and sending by post together with the payment from the bank or cheque. Supporters may also contribute via a donation to the club. Those fans should phone 0131 220 7280 and a member of staff will process your donation and field any enquiries.

The club would welcome the efforts of those who can purchase shares, and matchday tickets for the upcoming St Mirren, Celtic and Aberdeen matches, and would urge them to take advantage of the extended Ticket Centre opening hours on offer this weekend.

[Ozyhibby]

Why is everyone saying Vlad is paying the bill? I've not seen that reported anywhere?

[Steve20]

Why is everyone saying Vlad is paying the bill? I've not seen that reported anywhere?

It was on Sky Sports News earlier.

[God Petrie]

What would happen to the cash they raise if they fail to raise the £450k required? Has any of those clowns even asked the question?

[matty_f]

It's not for a tax bill, well...not that tax bill. It's for the one we didn't know about. Well, we did know about it. But don't ask questions. It's for the tax bill. (it's not).

We desperately need £1.8m. It's £2m. Desperately. No, it's worst case. Vlad won't pay, Vlad might pay, we have to pay it back, it'll be a minor miracle if Vlad pays.

Lying b******* . What an utter shambles. No shame either. Lied to the fans in the share brochure and are still lying now.

[Craig_in_Prague]

It was on Sky Sports News earlier.

they show it on the bottom info bar, but nothing from Hearts or reporters have confirmed this... merely that Vlads empire will help if they can (maybe a loan) nothing clear cut at all imo.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Why is everyone saying Vlad is paying the bill? I've not seen that reported anywhere?

They're exaggerating what Fedotovas said earlier.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/199675-hearts-director-hopeful-vladimir-romanov-could-loan-hearts-tax-bill-cash/


“We have been speaking to Mr Romanov’s companies and we have got a good response. They will be looking at ways to help us. They know the situation and promise to help us out. If funding is made available, the club will have to pay it back again. The way forward for this club is with the help of fans, step by step taking more involvement in the club.”

They're considering whether to loan further money to pay the tax bill. They haven't done it or even promised to do it.

[Golden Bear]

they show it on the bottom info bar, but nothing from Hearts or reporters have confirmed this... merely that Vlads empire will help if they can (maybe a loan) nothing clear cut at all imo.

See link below ---------- but there is absolutely nothing conclusive in that statement.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/199675-hearts-director-hopeful-vladimir-romanov-could-loan-hearts-tax-bill-cash/

[The_Sauz]

Talk about obfuscation! No mention of £450k needed for next Friday.


http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20121109/share-and-tickets-update_2241384_2975776?


Supporters are reminded that the best way to play their part in helping to secure the future of the club is to purchase shares through the Share Offer. Supporters who purchase shares should know that cash sales will see the club take possession of the money up to a week faster than any other method.

Would they have to declare any cash deposits to the tax/VAT man :confused:

[WindyMiller]

http://www.nasdaqomxbaltic.com/market/?pg=details&instrument=LT0000102352&list=2


Ukio Bankas share price down 7.19% today.

The End is Near.


The figures for the past 6 months are frightening.:aok::aok:

[Seveno]

Talk about obfuscation! No mention of £450k needed for next Friday.


http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20121109/share-and-tickets-update_2241384_2975776?

Sounds like they know the share issue is going to be a flop and are trying to screw their fans by different methods.

[Craig_in_Prague]

See link below ---------- but there is absolutely nothing conclusive in that statement.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/199675-hearts-director-hopeful-vladimir-romanov-could-loan-hearts-tax-bill-cash/

yes.. lots of IFs, Coulds and Hope.

nothing to suggest why SSN should make it look so clear cut.

[silverhibee]

People are hearing what they want to hear, even Hibs fans.

He's deid.

[Seveno]

The figures for the past 6 months are frightening.:aok::aok:

'frightening' ? I would humbly suggest that 'hilarious' is a more appropriate word.

[#FromTheCapital]

It was on Sky Sports News earlier.

Yes but what is the source behind this report? Looks like it could just be their interpretation of what fedetovas said earlier that he might pay it.

It's just delaying the inevitable anyway. At the end of the day hearts are ****ed.

[silverhibee]

So, Mad Vlad rides to the rescue with chequebook in hand to pay the tax-bill. Did anyone really think he wouldn't ? Given his history, it is just like him to pay up at the last minute possible. Be interesting to see what happens with the players wages which are due soon, - pay up and avoid any further sanctions , OR dont pay [on time] and incur further sanctions from SFA - points deduction ? In any case what happens about the massive tax bill ? They are just delaying the innevitable. Long slow dragged out death.

When did this happen.

So far the mad one has said nothing about paying it.

Just a puppet sent over from Lithland to tell more porkies.

[CallumLaidlaw]

After the report that SSN said Romanov was paying up, SSN had Jim white interviewing a financial expert who was asked why does Romanov not just pay it himself. The answer was, Romanov probably doesn't have it.
BBC Scotland now talking about it and absolutely no mention of the bill being paid. Just soundbites from fedatovas's earlier interview.

[Twa Cairpets]

09.11.2012
Hearts have today moved to clarify certain information that has been reported by the media.

The £2 million figure that has been quoted in various news outlets as being the amount required to supplement club revenue and keep the club afloat is, whilst desirable, a worst-case scenario amount...

Now, I am not an accountant, but:

£450,000 outstanding tax bill
£1,750,000 pending tax bill
£1,790,000 claimed as being what the share issue needed to raise

All added together is £3,990,000, which is the double of a worse case scenario. That's the problem when you lie, you forget what you've said.

But at least the bake sale is happening, so they'll be fine
:faf:

[Kato]

What is astonishing and everyone seems to be missing is that this £450K cash isn't debt of money they've overspent, it never was their cash in the first place, it was the exchequers. Vlad, if he does condescend to pay this "debt" is only doing what every f****** business in the country must do - pay their dues. This has got nowt to do with their squad size or overspend, its the governments money. If they've been spending it to service other debts or running costs, they're rooked. For Vlad to say "I might pay, but its a loan that I want back" beggars belief. It. Wasn't. Your. Money. You. Insane. Fruitbat

I also find the pleading of Hearts and their mouthpieces reprehensible, immoral and disgusting. "Pay our taxes for us or you'll not have a team" is the most brazen illustration of the fact that Hearts, if nothing else, understand that their customer base defines the phrase "mug punters" like nothing else. It's exactly like a Nigerian 419 scam - just give us a little bit more and we'll get your money to you, its all OK, just need a bit more, then a bit more.

Any Hearts fan - even the alleged good guys that are out there - who puts a bean into any rescue scheme, share issue or collection pot deserves all they get.

According Fedotas they are an "institution" which means they should be shown leniency when it comes to humdrum things like paying your dues. Which is the exact opposite to what they said regarding Rangers.

Hypocrites.

[jacomo]

Talk about obfuscation! No mention of £450k needed for next Friday.


http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20121109/share-and-tickets-update_2241384_2975776?


Those supporters who wish to purchase shares but logistically cannot should remember that they can in fact still conclude the deal by downloading the application online, filling it properly and sending by post together with the payment from the bank or cheque. Supporters may also contribute via a donation to the club. Those fans should phone 0131 220 7280 and a member of staff will process your donation and field any enquiries.

Do Yams need help to fill in a form? Or have some people been submitting applications under made-up names?

:hilarious

[Kaiser1962]

FWIW even if Vlad does pay the tax bill its very much a short term fix and dont see how it really helps the overall picture. Vlad is merely paying back money (tax money at that) that Hearts have already collected and spent elsewhere. They are due in court again next week and we are almost half way through the third tax quarter with wages due again in a week.

If Vlad had any sense he would hive of the PBS now and leave them to their own devices and, IMO, its the fact that the Yams still own the PBS and he would lose control of it should any winding up order be ratified. If the PBS was safe I dont think he would even consider helping them, if that is what he intend to do.

[greenginger]

Sounds like they know the share issue is going to be a flop and are trying to screw their fans by different methods.

Selling tickets early for their home games is only delaying their end unless the sales are extra business that would not otherwise have been done.

Lets hope they think the day has been saved, they get their heads back in the sand and come next Friday they are gone.( Pity its not the 13TH )

[hibIBZ]

But at least the bake sale is happening, so they'll be fine
:faf:[/QUOTE]

maybe when tesco build their new store on what was the PBS they will let them have a bag packing day to fund their rent of spartans ground

[hibees 7062]

Now, I am not an accountant, but:

£450,000 outstanding tax bill
£1,750,000 pending tax bill
£1,790,000 claimed as being what the share issue needed to raise

All added together is £3,990,000, which is the double of a worse case scenario. That's the problem when you lie, you forget what you've said.

But at least the bake sale is happening, so they'll be fine
:faf:

And it doesnt help that every Hibee is watching every move they make :greengrin

[Twa Cairpets]

Is the St Mirren end for the game on the 17th likely to be all ticket?

I really quite fancy going. The sheer outpouring of misery, grief and defeat would be worth the few bawbees I'd be donating. Kind of like Dens '86, but a bit more final.