Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[cabbageandribs1875]

What, that the First/Prime Minister would answer a request to help out a Football Club? It states in the article that he already spoke on behalf of Dunfermline and Rangers. He doesn't appear to have overstepped his role or used undue political pressure. He is as powerless as BDO but is a politician, so has to be seen to be doing something.


But wire in, you vote No...if a hatred of Hearts is all it takes for some people to decide against Independence.


:rolleyes:


it's quite scary actually, see that fat yam helpin hertz oot, nae danger am voting yes now :faf:

[lucky]

I'm voting no but not because of Wee Eck sticking up for his team. Come on guys there are plenty of reasons to vote no, but not because hearts supporting politicians speak up for their team.

[Aldo]

I think Stephen Hendry is a bit busy selling his house just now!

Ouch!!!! ;-)

[hibbypostie]

I'm voting no but not because of Wee Eck sticking up for his team. Come on guys there are plenty of reasons to vote no but because a hearts supporting politians speak up for their team.

to be fair I find it hard to believe anyone who would use this as their reason to change their choice in the upcoming referendum would have the brains to find the polling booth

[GreenLake]

Aye, I've always despised spotty. No celebrity Yams seem to care enough to get involved.

I would like to see a celebrity Hibby turn the PBS into a youth tennis centre of excellence. That would "let" them have a much nicer "racquet" in Gorgie if they had the "balls" to do it and would "serve" them right if it happened.

[GlasgowHibee]

to be fair I find it hard to believe anyone who would use this as their reason to change their choice in the upcoming referendum would have the brains to find the polling booth

That's my thoughts as well, it truly is ridiculous if people are using this as a levy to vote no.

[Springbank]

I would like to see a celebrity Hibby turn the PBS into a youth tennis centre of excellence. That would "let" them have a much nicer "racquet" in Gorgie if they had the "balls" to do it and would "serve" them right if it happened.

They could appear on Celebrity Deuce

[green glory]

Add another vote to the no's Salmond.

Who are you kidding, you were voting no anyway.

Vote No and there's no NHS for your kids.

[greenpaper55]

That's my thoughts as well, it truly is ridiculous if people are using this as a levy to vote no.

He should have stayed right out of it, to use political pressure is bang out of order to save a bunch of tax cheats from their rightfull end, it sums them up to a man. Apart from that i canny stand the fat windbag.

[persevere1875]

Who are you kidding, you were voting no anyway.

Vote No and there's no NHS for your kids.

Completely off topic but do you really believe Salmond will make a difference to the state of the NHS, if he cant save a shower of keek in Gorgie he wont save the multi billion pound industry that is the NHS IMO

[Keith_M]

In the absence of any news on the Hearts front in the last few days, this thread has been getting a little silly. It just took a turn for the worse, with the politics angle, so I think I'll stay off it and come back in a few days.....

[Sanger]

2

I'm voting yes but not because of Lord Foulkes!

[WHUHibs]

I posted earlier on this thread that I had heard that SNP may get involved politically and posed the question to Sergey. I suppose thats not really a surprise but I know there has been another press release for thursday written but dont know the content.

I understand part of the play could be that the cost of upkeep of the stadium after liquidation could be very expensive and perhaps a simple demolition is not as easy as we think. This cost if true could be a persuasive reason why they should accept the bid.

I have no inside information but would think that this could be quite a clever play by suggesting that the costs may spiral so better to take the money now?

Can this be substantiated by Sergey as I hope this doesnt happen.

[HFC 0-7]

What, that the First/Prime Minister would answer a request to help out a Football Club? It states in the article that he already spoke on behalf of Dunfermline and Rangers. He doesn't appear to have overstepped his role or used undue political pressure. He is as powerless as BDO but is a politician, so has to be seen to be doing something.


But wire in, you vote No...if a hatred of Hearts is all it takes for some people to decide against Independence.


:rolleyes:

He should have stayed out of it, he should have stayed out of it with Rangers and Dunfermline as well. In the case of Hearts they have stiffed taxpayers in the UK and in Lithuania. there is also a lot of suspicion that the CVA isnt best value for creditors if tynecastle can be sold for more than 2.5 million. Anyone with half a brain would also suspect that there could have bee dirty money going through hearts whilst romanov was at the helm and here we have the first minister trying to help 'facilitate' the deal that would see hearts write off a mountain of debt.

I would be more impressed if the first minister was doing more to make sure football clubs actually paid their taxes, paid other government funded business and paid the small business that have been left unpaid whilst clubs go into administration.

I may be wrong but I cant remember the first minister being very vocal about hearts when they were not paying their taxes on time.

So we have this man helping a club that has failed to pay millions in taxes, thousands to heriot watt, thousands to small businesses, thousands to charities. A club that has been financially doped helping to cause a bank to go bust, probably ruining peoples lives in lithuania. Trying to push through a deal that has many question marks over best value for creditors!

[Sanger]

In the absence of any news on the Hearts front in the last few days, this thread has been getting a little silly. It just took a turn for the worse, with the politics angle, so I think I'll stay off it and come back in a few days.....

There has been really good stuff today and yesterday. Between us we have actually found out what is going on. A great Hibs.net team effort!

[Pete]

Yes/No/Dinnae kens are clogging this thread up. :greengrin:

[Islington Hibs]

He should have stayed right out of it, to use political pressure is bang out of order to save a bunch of tax cheats from their rightfull end, it sums them up to a man. Apart from that i canny stand the fat windbag.


Agree. It is a legal matter and a very poor precedent to interfere. The Liths have an obligation to the creditors which should be well clear of political interference. Boarders on an abuse of his office.

[Alfred E Newman]

Fat Eck speaks.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/271725-alex-salmond-contacts-lithuanian-ambassador-to-aid-hearts-takeover/
right ya jambo, hope this loses the election for ye.

Surely the Lithuanians are only indulging in scaremongering and spreading myth and misinformation.

[Dashing Bob S]

Salmond's stuck his oar in, so I'm voting Labour, but Pishybreeks is involved, so I'm voting SNP, but here comes Steve Cardownie, so... (morons repeat constantly, then not bother to vote)

[Jack]

I can't bare it but I can only see wee ecks involvement as a positive sign for them.

I really can't see him getting so publicly involved at this stage if bad/negative news is imminent. He has a habit, in fact made a career of being around for the cameras when good news breaks!

I assume those who are not voting yes as a result of ecks involvement won't be voting no either given the constant involvement of Labours MP and Pee'r of Realm.

[MrSmith]

He should have stayed right out of it, to use political pressure is bang out of order to save a bunch of tax cheats from their rightfull end, it sums them up to a man. Apart from that i canny stand the fat windbag.

Its not about tax cheats! Its about ordinary people and their livelihood as well as the Gorgie local economy of which, I now live in. I would expect any high ranking politician to get involved in this due to the volume of people and businesses it will affect. And; I'm still voting YES!

[The Falcon]

That's my thoughts as well, it truly is ridiculous if people are using this as a levy to vote no.

Folk vote one way or the other for reasons that others who do not share their viewpoint find ridiculous.

For one I would like the whole nonsense was over and we could all just get on with it.

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm voting no but not because of Wee Eck sticking up for his team. Come on guys there are plenty of reasons to vote no, but not because hearts supporting politicians speak up for their team.

Exactly. We should all be voting Yes because of Fatty Foulkes and I'mAnMP. :wink:

[hibbill2002]

I'm voting yes but not because of Lord Foulkes!
You'll change your mind tomorrow


He should have stayed out of it, he should have stayed out of it with Rangers and Dunfermline as well. In the case of Hearts they have stiffed taxpayers in the UK and in Lithuania. there is also a lot of suspicion that the CVA isnt best value for creditors if tynecastle can be sold for more than 2.5 million. Anyone with half a brain would also suspect that there could have bee dirty money going through hearts whilst romanov was at the helm and here we have the first minister trying to help 'facilitate' the deal that would see hearts write off a mountain of debt.

I would be more impressed if the first minister was doing more to make sure football clubs actually paid their taxes, paid other government funded business and paid the small business that have been left unpaid whilst clubs go into administration.

I may be wrong but I cant remember the first minister being very vocal about hearts when they were not paying their taxes on time.

So we have this man helping a club that has failed to pay millions in taxes, thousands to heriot watt, thousands to small businesses, thousands to charities. A club that has been financially doped helping to cause a bank to go bust, probably ruining peoples lives in lithuania. Trying to push through a deal that has many question marks over best value for creditors!

:top marks

[greenpaper55]

Its not about tax cheats! Its about ordinary people and their livelihood as well as the Gorgie local economy of which, I now live in. I would expect any high ranking politician to get involved in this due to the volume of people and businesses it will affect. And; I'm still voting YES!

Would that be the local economy that Hearts stiffed ?.

[mjhibby]

haha I will stick to following the Hibs, as I have done for the past 40 years, and not get dragged into a political debate, however not swayed by football matters but by ethics and knowledge and if you believe that fat plum, then you have been warned be careful what you wish for.

wish people would stop portraying the YAMS a victims in this, they are not! how about all those individuals who have lost out? what is being done for them, the small business and families that depended on that money, its a disgrace! should be over there apologising for their behaviour.

I want them to get what they deserve and will vote however I see fit!!!

each to their own so lets stick to football and the demise of them

It really annoys me when clubs like rangers and hearts spend money they don't have and then having robbed decent working people of thousands of pounds which could damage their business then expect sympathy when they get what they deserve. What about the joiners,electricians etc who lost out to huge sums from them. Also of course in spending money they didn't have won trophies they would not have done if they had lived within their means and of course bought players that would have gone to rivals and strengthened them only for them to offer them silly money. Ironically the only time we spent as much as hearts we wiped the floor with them (6-2 etc). Now the poor darlings are sowing what they reap and are expecting sympathy. Of course they wont hand back the trophies they won while spending money they didn't have and gained an unfair advantage but then they wouldn't see integrity if it him them in the coupon. Not bothered what soapy salmond gets up to but im thoroughly enjoying watching both of them facing the music.

[Saorsa]

That's my thoughts as well, it truly is ridiculous if people are using this as a levy to vote no.and some folk questioned the wisdom of giving 16 & 17 year olds a vote. :hilarious




p.s. The upcoming referendum is neither a vote for Salmond or the SNP

[greenpaper55]

In the absence of any news on the Hearts front in the last few days, this thread has been getting a little silly. It just took a turn for the worse, with the politics angle, so I think I'll stay off it and come back in a few days.....

Only one man brought politics into this, so be it.

[The Green Goblin]

It really annoys me when clubs like rangers and hearts spend money they don't have and then having robbed decent working people of thousands of pounds which could damage their business then expect sympathy when they get what they deserve. What about the joiners,electricians etc who lost out to huge sums from them. Also of course in spending money they didn't have won trophies they would not have done if they had lived within their means and of course bought players that would have gone to rivals and strengthened them only for them to offer them silly money. Ironically the only time we spent as much as hearts we wiped the floor with them (6-2 etc). Now the poor darlings are sowing what they reap and are expecting sympathy. Of course they wont hand back the trophies they won while spending money they didn't have and gained an unfair advantage but then they wouldn't see integrity if it him them in the coupon. Not bothered what soapy salmond gets up to but im thoroughly enjoying watching both of them facing the music.

Good post! I was intrigued to see Salmond using the word "struggling" in that interview. I`m sure I`ve heard that before somewhere...:greengrin

But of course, that`s the way it is in the media, isn`t it? Poor Hearts, "struggling" etc. They`re not struggling though, are they? The ones who are struggling are on the creditors` list; all those local businesses, charities and so on who are short hundreds and thousands of pounds all so that Hearts could field a team they couldn`t afford and feed their collective "big team" fantasy. It`s disgusting.

[Saorsa]

Only one man brought politics into this, so be it.Really? I thought pishy breeks brought politics in tae it.

[greenpaper55]

Good post! I was intrigued to see Salmond using the word "struggling" in that interview. I`m sure I`ve heard that before somewhere...:greengrin

But of course, that`s the way it is in the media, isn`t it? Poor Hearts, "struggling" etc. They`re not struggling though, are they? The ones who are struggling are on the creditors` list; all those local businesses, charities and so on who are short hundreds and thousands of pounds all so that Hearts could field a team they couldn`t afford and feed their collective "big team" fantasy. It`s disgusting.

:top marksSalmond wisnae saying much when they were winning games with players they couldn't afford or not paying their players, was he asking the tax authorities if they were keeping up their payments ?, now that would be a proper political involvement !.

[Fat Penlon]

Who are you kidding, you were voting no anyway.

Vote No and there's no NHS for your kids.

The NHS in Scotland is a devolved matter along with education and justice. These are fully controlled by the Scottish Parliament and are not implicated by any decisions made by Westminster on services in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Voting no will have no impact on how the NHS operates in this country.

[CB_NO3]

Guys, keep the independance debate out this thread.

[Jdawg]

The NHS in Scotland is a devolved matter along with education and justice. These are fully controlled by the Scottish Parliament and are not implicated by any decisions made by Westminster on services in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Voting no will have no impact on how the NHS operates in this country. Quite correct I am amazed at some peoples complete lack of knowledge about politics but are happy to vent moronic drivel that they think is correct but in actual act haven't a clue whats going on. Either research your politics or shut the hell up. The amount of morons about to vote astonishes me

[WindyMiller]

I'm not beating the drum for "Yes" here, especially since I'm undecided, but I find it odd that your vote on something as big as independence will be governed by a) your dislike of one politician and b) Hearts.

Staggering.



:agree:

[Paisley Hibby]

The NHS in Scotland is a devolved matter along with education and justice. These are fully controlled by the Scottish Parliament and are not implicated by any decisions made by Westminster on services in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Voting no will have no impact on how the NHS operates in this country.

The first part of your post is right. However, what you say at the end isn't. If we vote no we will continue to rely on the UK government to fund us. There are sure to be cuts in that funding and so none of our public services will be safe.

[Ozyhibby]

The NHS in Scotland is a devolved matter along with education and justice. These are fully controlled by the Scottish Parliament and are not implicated by any decisions made by Westminster on services in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Voting no will have no impact on how the NHS operates in this country.

That's not true at all. Any vote to decrease the budget of the NHS in England will have Barnett consequentials for the Scottish budget which would result in cuts up here.

[greenpaper55]

Really? I thought pishy breeks brought politics in tae it.

Steady Dan, call that politics :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Ouch!!!! ;-)

The guy was a genius at his chosen profession and received my full backing at the time. I'm not too sure he gives a donald duck about Hearts. Just posted my previous for a laugh.

[Malthibby]

The first part of your post is right. However, what you say at the end isn't. If we vote no we will continue to rely on the UK government to fund us. There are sure to be cuts in that funding and so none of our public services will be safe.

What he said. I'm voting yes & it's nothing to do with Salmond, who I'm quite sure I wouldn't like to meet.
It's almost despite him.
But he should have acknowledged the years of cheating, & the millions stolen from everyone unlucky enough to be owed money (including ourselves as taxpayers).
GG

[Pete]

Guys, keep the independance debate out this thread.

Agree. Let's get it back on track.

Hearts are jobbies.

[gogse]

Calm yourself. I'm a Yes voter.
I'm just being awkward. He should not be getting involved at all in supporting a company who have avoided paying taxes etc. His political antenna is failing him here. Wishing the worst for Hearts is about fair play. If he is on the other side of that equation then he is wrong IMHO. Make me worry about what else he is wrong about.

Agree
Where is your moral compass pointing if you are seen to advocate a company run like Hearts. Will he advocate running the country in the same way? :devil:

[Fat Penlon]

The first part of your post is right. However, what you say at the end isn't. If we vote no we will continue to rely on the UK government to fund us. There are sure to be cuts in that funding and so none of our public services will be safe.

The UK government don't fund us they are merely the middle man who collects our taxes and give us them back not before taking a large chunk of it for themselves though. I know what you mean though ;-)

[Ozyhibby]

Quite correct I am amazed at some peoples complete lack of knowledge about politics but are happy to vent moronic drivel that they think is correct but in actual act haven't a clue whats going on. Either research your politics or shut the hell up. The amount of morons about to vote astonishes me

And at the same time you quote a post as 'quite correct' even though it is quite incorrect.
:-)

[greenpaper55]

Guys, keep the independance debate out this thread.

Fair enough, time to stuff that lot in a few weeks and ram it right up them.

[hibbill2002]

And at the same time you quote a post as 'quite correct' even though it is quite incorrect.
:-)

To be fair, he never said he was voting.

[Waxy]

Who are you kidding, you were voting no anyway.

Vote No and there's no NHS for your kids.
I've actually been undecided, and yes it was daft of me to post that,A kneejerk reaction to someone who should keep out if this. as always the hibs.net guys put the world to rights.Am sure the NHS will still be though.

[Fat Penlon]

That's not true at all. Any vote to decrease the budget of the NHS in England will have Barnett consequentials for the Scottish budget which would result in cuts up here.

Scotland receives a budget from Westminster using the Barnett formula it is 100% up the the finance secretary in Scotland how that money is spent. He/she does not need to cut NHS spend if they wish to protect it and cut elsewhere.

[Saorsa]

Steady Dan, call that politics :greengrinHouse of Lords snout in the trough politics. Vote No and he and others like him keeps their snout in the trough.



And you help tae pay for it :wink:


Anyway hopefully we can get this thread back on topic and keep the other stuff out of it. This will certainly be my last mention of it. :agree: :aok:

[MSK]

Can we get back on topic folks please ..if you want to discuss politics etc get wired into this thread ..

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?271802-Scottish-Independence&goto=newpost

[matty_f]

There's a thread on the holy ground forum for debating politics, please keep this one on the jambogeddon topic.
Thanks.

[Saorsa]

The pwicks have spoken :greengrin quite agree though

[The_Todd]

At the end of the day we have prominent "better together" types giving it the pro-Jambo angle (Fatty Foulkes, anyone) and now a prominent Indy type giving it the pro-Jambo angle. Not to mention FoH being chaired by a pro-Unionist.

In summation, there's Yams in all walks of political life with differing political views. If you end up voting against a Yam you'll end up voting with another one. Life's too short to base your politics on football (or indeed your football on politics), if only Old Firm fans realised this!

Can we just get back to how gubbed the Jambos are now, please? It's most entertaining.

[Green Reaper]

Are they deid yet

[Saorsa]

Are they deid yetNo quite but I've made this for when they are.


http://i62.tinypic.com/2130yfo.gif

:bye::bye::bye::bye::bye::bye::bye:

[jakeshibs]

has there been any information, movement today as not heard anything waiting for the big L.

[GreenLake]

The UK government don't fund us they are merely the middle man who collects our taxes and give us them back not before taking a large chunk of it for themselves though. I know what you mean though ;-)

Commercial banks create the money out of thin air to lend to the government and then charge interest that is paid by our taxes. It's a silly little scam that few are able to grasp. Apparently, the oligarchs who own the commercial banks are more to be trusted with the creation of money than our elected officials (who bailed them out with our future taxes). :cb

[Seveno]

Can anyone tell me how long champagne should be in the fridge before serving? I don't want to get caught out.

[Saorsa]

http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/14893iDD4742EA9B8A83EC/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

[The_Todd]

http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/14893iDD4742EA9B8A83EC/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1


Is that the infamous rubber stamp? The Yams are in for a mighty disappointment if so.

[EuanH78]

The UK government don't fund us they are merely the middle man who collects our taxes and give us them back not before taking a large chunk of it for themselves though. I know what you mean though ;-)

I'm afraid hes correct though. If Westminster cut nhs spending then that percentage of health spending is also cut from the money the Scottish government receives for the same thing. Would rather stay on topic though.
Looks like a bit of lip service by AS to me. Not much to get bothered about but if thats what convinces someone to vote no and not imanMp or unelected pishy breeks peers then the argument is disingenuous to begin with.

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[sleeping giant]

There has been really good stuff today and yesterday. Between us we have actually found out what is going on. A great Hibs.net team effort!

No offence mate but are you seriously trying to slide into the CWG, Caversham , Greenginger and Sergey effort ?
Again , no offence intended but the only person who seems to agree with you is you :greengrin

[The_Todd]

I'm afraid hes correct though. If Westminster cut nhs spending then that percentage of health spending is also cut from the money the Scottish government receives for the same thing. Would rather stay on topic though.
Looks like a bit of lip service by AS to me. Not much to get bothered about but if thats what convinces someone to vote no and not imanMp or unelected pishy breeks peers then the argument is disingenuous to begin with.

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Bingo.

You know AS has no influence on the Ukio creditors, I know it, AS knows it, BDO know it, Ukio know it. This is a "I'm being seen to do something" and naff all else.

[Aldo]

The guy was a genius at his chosen profession and received my full backing at the time. I'm not too sure he gives a donald duck about Hearts. Just posted my previous for a laugh.

Indeed. And when you see what he's swapped for.... Hubba Hubba!!!

[brog]

No offence mate but are you seriously trying to slide into the CWG, Caversham , Greenginger and Sergey effort ?
Again , no offence intended but the only person who seems to agree with you is you :greengrin

:agree: Desantos is also the only person who thinks there was a UKIO meeting scheduled for 28 March. After the " non meeting " BDO confirmed it had never been scheduled, incredibly even Banderson finally got that one right. There was a famous story about Lester Piggott. As he rode his horse to the start punters would shout, are you going to win today & he would reply, he's a cert. Down at the start when asked he would reply, no chance. Lester went by the theory that the info he gave 50% of the people would be correct & they would remember that more clearly than those who got the duff info. Fortune tellers/psychics etc work along the same lines & so I believe does Desantos given his recurring contradictions of himself! Still, its all great fun!

[MrSmith]

Would that be the local economy that Hearts stiffed ?.

Probably but it needs to be maintained for local people.

[Onion]

I wish his love of Scottish football stretched far enough to want to clean it up and encourage teams to abide by the rules and not break them using other people's money. He no doubt celebrated the tarnished cups which were won paying high wages from embezzled bank deposits. I don't hear him say anything in public about that, but no doubt in private he was groveling to the Lithuanian Ambassador and apologizing for the missing millions. He should be told to get tae ........

Good point well made. So, he finds the time to help those clubs who have ripped people off, screwed other teams, and has personally celebrated a period of Yam success based purely on stolen money. Classy.

[johnrebus]

Can we not just talk about the demise of the Yams instead of all this political sh*te?


:confused:

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Folks I know Alex Salmond / Ima MP and Lord George started mixing politics with football but I'd be in favour of the mods moving the 'which yam politician do you hate most and should that influence our votes ? And PS how do you spoil a ballot' posts to another thread somewhere else ...

[Winston Ingram]

Can we not just talk about the demise of the Yams instead of all this political sh*te?


:confused:

Very much this:agree:

[SuperAllyMcleod]

Can anyone tell me how long champagne should be in the fridge before serving? I don't want to get caught out.

It should be in the fridge for 8 hours at least, although half an hour in a full ice bucket will do the same thing.

Interestingly, you should always drink champagne within 2 - 3 years of buying it.

[Dashing Bob S]

Can we not just talk about the demise of the Yams instead of all this political sh*te?


:confused:

Yes, let's get back on track. Politics has no place on this thread, unless its an in-depth discussion of the changing texture and colour of the stained areas on George Foulkes's trousers regarding various decisions and non-decisions relating to the CVA.

[Dashing Bob S]

It should be in the fridge for 8 hours at least, although half an hour in a full ice bucket will do the same thing.

Interestingly, you should always drink champagne within 2 - 3 years of buying it.

Whatever you do, DO NOT mix up your champagne with your shares, and keep it out the freezer.

[johnrebus]

Whatever you do, DO NOT mix up your champagne with your shares, and keep it out the freezer.



Thought you were going to say, 'do not get your champagne mixed up with the pish on Lord Fud's troosers.....'

Glad you didn't though.

:greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

Surprised no-one had mentioned the fact that Hibs are so gash, we don't have anyone remotely close to being first minister. Maybe if Petrie.......etc. etc. etc.

[Kato]

Surprised no-one had mentioned the fact that Hibs are so gash, we don't have anyone remotely close to being first minister. Maybe if Petrie.......etc. etc. etc.

Not having anyone involved high up in that grubby little industry shows true class imho.

[Ronniekirk]

Can we not just talk about the demise of the Yams instead of all this political sh*te?


:confused:

They are still not Demised ,so politics is a wee sidetrack to keep us occupied while the decision makers procrastinate .The longer they do this ,the more likely you are to see the Demise of Hearts come to fruition so Politics like it or not has a wee part to play in this scenario .:wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

They are still not Demised ,so politics is a wee sidetrack to keep us occupied while the decision makers procrastinate .The longer they do this ,the more likely you are to see the Demise of Hearts come to fruition so Politics like it or not has a wee part to play in this scenario .:wink:

Ive had threads confined to the Holy Ground that have been less political than this. Yet another example of the pro admin hedgemony and its lickspittle running dogs.

[Kaiser_Sauzee]

OK, Yes I can see that Yes politics shouldn't Yes be on this board and Yes, we are all Yes frustrated by threads Yes going off topic, so let's continue Yes to keep this to all things Hearts.

Yes?



:greengrin

[Seveno]

It should be in the fridge for 8 hours at least, although half an hour in a full ice bucket will do the same thing.

Interestingly, you should always drink champagne within 2 - 3 years of buying it.

Thanks, I'll get it in the fridge as soon as I get home. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Still no meeting planned then?
:-)

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Thanks, I'll get it in the fridge as soon as I get home. :greengrin

At what time should you drink it ? 07:00, 19:02, 06:02 ... On second thoughts off to buy a new fridge and check my holiday entitlement !

[HiBremian]

Can we not just talk about the demise of the Yams instead of all this political sh*te?


:confused:

A bit unfair on we Hibbies who want to see capitalism liquidated, but humbly accept that Yamageddon is a realistic and acceptable alternative, no?


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[Phil D. Rolls]

Still no meeting planned then?
:-)

STV news reported that UBIG are to meet later this week. Sounded like a crock to me.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Still no meeting planned then?
:-)

The earliest is tomorrow.

I can exclusively reveal that it might not potentially happen, Lithuania is out of rubber stamps.

[#FromTheCapital]

Considering that absolutely **** all has happened this week, there's been a lot of activity on this thread.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

The earliest is tomorrow.

I can exclusively reveal that it might not potentially happen, Lithuania is out of rubber stamps.

If it doesn't happen tomorrow the earliest is the next day... I've been onto my contact in Lithuania but they are unable as yet to fly round the world superman stylee to reverse time this is the best they can do... To be fair Lord Foulkes volunteered but on consideration what the image of him wearing his pants outside his trousers would do the 'famous' image this was respectively declined ...

[Craig_in_Prague]

Considering that absolutely **** all has happened this week, there's been a lot of activity on this thread.

Except fat ugly puss made a reverse charge phone call to lithland, not much else happening otherwise,
Jackson ready to hop on a flight back though, lol

[hibbill2002]

OK, Yes I can see that Yes politics shouldn't Yes be on this board and Yes, we are all Yes frustrated by threads Yes going off topic, so let's continue Yes to keep this to all things Hearts.

Yes?



:greengrin

No

[CropleyWasGod]

Ubig? You sure?

[Biggie]

He should have stayed out of it, he should have stayed out of it with Rangers and Dunfermline as well. In the case of Hearts they have stiffed taxpayers in the UK and in Lithuania. there is also a lot of suspicion that the CVA isnt best value for creditors if tynecastle can be sold for more than 2.5 million. Anyone with half a brain would also suspect that there could have bee dirty money going through hearts whilst romanov was at the helm and here we have the first minister trying to help 'facilitate' the deal that would see hearts write off a mountain of debt.

I would be more impressed if the first minister was doing more to make sure football clubs actually paid their taxes, paid other government funded business and paid the small business that have been left unpaid whilst clubs go into administration.

I may be wrong but I cant remember the first minister being very vocal about hearts when they were not paying their taxes.

So we have this man helping a club that has failed to pay millions in taxes, thousands to heriot watt, thousands to small businesses, thousands to charities. A club that has been financially doped helping to cause a bank to go bust, probably ruining peoples lives in lithuania. Trying to push through a deal that has many question marks over best value for creditors!

Brilliant. I'm going to take this mate...

[haagsehibby]

It should be in the fridge for 8 hours at least, although half an hour in a full ice bucket will do the same thing.

Interestingly, you should always drink champagne within 2 - 3 years of buying it.

The 2-3 year thing is generally for non-vintage champagne. Your Dom Perignon etc. will last longer if properly cellared.

[CB_NO3]

STV news reported that UBIG are to meet later this week. Sounded like a crock to me.
UBIG have already approved their part of the CVA. No reason for them to meet.

[Seveno]

The 2-3 year thing is generally for non-vintage champagne. Your Dom Perignon etc. will last longer if properly cellared.

I guess it is a reason to splash out.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Ubig? You sure?

Im afraid I'm not sure. I was half listening to the news, and half heard them say something about a creditors meeting this week to approve the transfer of shares. Sorry, that information is useless I know, but there was definitely something about a meeting this week.

[Onceinawhile]

Thought something might have happened with there being 4 new pages, but nope, just mouth breathers getting angry about Salmond.

As an aside, can we please keep Big L out of this? He deserves to RIP.

12429

[ACLeith]

OK, Yes I can see that Yes politics shouldn't Yes be on this board and Yes, we are all Yes frustrated by threads Yes going off topic, so let's continue Yes to keep this to all things Hearts.

Yes?


No.... Maybe.... Yes....
Procrastination comes before liquidation, except in the dictionary

[oregonhibby]

Procrastination, more after the break

[PapillonVert]

Thought something might have happened with there being 4 new pages, but nope, just mouth breathers getting angry about Salmond.

As an aside, can we please keep Big L out of this? He deserves to RIP.

12429


Exactly, Antwerp!

Crikey, men always say women gas on and waste time but, give me strength, nothing can beat this! :thumbsup:

Complete non-event and waste of time for the past few pages!

[Dashing Bob S]

I'd LOVE to be a major UKIOS creditor right now. "Next week...can't do that as I'm planting my bulbs for next year...the week after I'm taking the dog to the vet for a minor operation, and painting the bathroom...the week after that...hmm... I sure I promised the kids Eurodisney...what about never? Does never work for you guys?"

[greenginger]

UBIG have already approved their part of the CVA. No reason for them to meet.


I think they will have another thousand reasons to meet, none of them as insignificant as dealing with a grubby little corrupt football team in Scotchland. :wink:

[Just Alf]

I posted earlier on this thread that I had heard that SNP may get involved politically and posed the question to Sergey. I suppose thats not really a surprise but I know there has been another press release for thursday written but dont know the content.

I understand part of the play could be that the cost of upkeep of the stadium after liquidation could be very expensive and perhaps a simple demolition is not as easy as we think. This cost if true could be a persuasive reason why they should accept the bid.

I have no inside information but would think that this could be quite a clever play by suggesting that the costs may spiral so better to take the money now?

Can this be substantiated by Sergey as I hope this doesnt happen.

No worries on that score, the 3 "newer" stands were specifically engineered to allow for easy dismantling at some point in the future.... I can't remember if the idea was for the Yams to re-use the steels at a new site or if the intention was to sell the stands on.

[Jim44]

He should have stayed out of it, he should have stayed out of it with Rangers and Dunfermline as well. In the case of Hearts they have stiffed taxpayers in the UK and in Lithuania. there is also a lot of suspicion that the CVA isnt best value for creditors if tynecastle can be sold for more than 2.5 million. Anyone with half a brain would also suspect that there could have bee dirty money going through hearts whilst romanov was at the helm and here we have the first minister trying to help 'facilitate' the deal that would see hearts write off a mountain of debt.

I would be more impressed if the first minister was doing more to make sure football clubs actually paid their taxes, paid other government funded business and paid the small business that have been left unpaid whilst clubs go into administration.

I may be wrong but I cant remember the first minister being very vocal about hearts when they were not paying their taxes on time.

So we have this man helping a club that has failed to pay millions in taxes, thousands to heriot watt, thousands to small businesses, thousands to charities. A club that has been financially doped helping to cause a bank to go bust, probably ruining peoples lives in lithuania. Trying to push through a deal that has many question marks over best value for creditors!


Couldn't have put it better myself. I know folk are frustrated with the political references here but I find it hard to ignore it. I couldn't care less about the 'independence' issue but I am sickened by the immorality, verging on criminal negligence of this despicable being, for exactly the reasons outlined above.

[Albion Hibs]

Laughable he's just a power hungry scrote. How can he try to save a thieving, morally bankrupt company that has stolen from people that are going to vote. Beggers belief, what about people that have lost jobs. Perhaps he's trying plan b for currency and start trading in Lithuanian litas. Muppet

Agreed. On the taxpayers dime he is spending his time supporting an organisation that has ripped off his government and one of his local authorities...somewhat ironic.

He is however well suited to being one of them, no concept of money, more pipe dreams than you can shake a stick at and facts are irrelevant to him. Would not surprise me if he ran round holyrood referring to them as the "big team" of scottish politics.

[Kato]

No worries on that score, the 3 "newer" stands were specifically engineered to allow for easy dismantling at some point in the future....

.....and they call us gypsies.

What a cranky bunch.

[portycabbage]

Procrastination, more after the break

"What do we want?!"
"PROCRASTINATION!"
"When do we want it?!"
"NEXT WEEK!"

[jakeshibs]

I just want them to get wants coming to them and to pay for the years of living beyond their means, champagne is ready, we will have the last laugh! big L is getting closer..

[monktonharp]

He is however well suited to being one of them, no concept of money, more pipe dreams than you can shake a stick at and facts are irrelevant to him. Would not surprise me if he ran round holyrood referring to them as the "big team" of scottish politics.before anymore is said about the current First Minister of Scotland, he has a duty to try and "save" another fitba' club from going down the tubes. this is not the way I want it to happen, but he does have a "duty" to try and retrieve a bad situation for Scottish Football. he did exactly the same, while trying to do it for 2 other football clubs. he does happen to be a "fan" of the current Scottish club in crisis. I hope any effort he makes,fails miserably. despite his allegiance to another team, I will retain my views on being vehemently involved and committed to an Independent Scottish State, which hopefully will, in my lifetime return to the socialist values I was brought up with and still hold. the current First Minister will not be in the grand plan of things,IMHO. and hopefully the likes of who consisted of the Edinburgh Council dominated by Councillors who aligned themselves with jambo thinking businessmen, (because of the team they supported) will not be in those positions either. those were the people that gave free reign, to hmfc, and "used" a whole end of tynecastle for storage, on behalf of the council. an end which was never used for storage, but prevented demololition, and secured monies for that club.those were the men that stopped Farmer, from building on the butterfly section of Easter Road, thereby slowing the completion of our ground. those were the men , pictured while drinking buckfast when the hmfc celebrated winning cups outside the city chambers. those same men are the ones that try and tell the people of Scotland that we are better together.and Foulkes is one of them

[Albion Hibs]

before anymore is said about the current First Minister of Scotland, he has a duty to try and "save" another fitba' club from going down the tubes. this is not the way I want it to happen, but he does have a "duty" to try and retrieve a bad situation for Scottish Football. he did exactly the same, while trying to do it for 2 other football clubs. he does happen to be a "fan" of the current Scottish club in crisis. I hope any effort he makes,fails miserably. despite his allegiance to another team, I will retain my views on being vehemently involved and committed to an Independent Scottish State, which hopefully will, in my lifetime return to the socialist values I was brought up with and still hold. the current First Minister will not be in the grand plan of things,IMHO. and hopefully the likes of who consisted of the Edinburgh Council dominated by Councillors who aligned themselves with jambo thinking businessmen, (because of the team they supported) will not be in those positions either. those were the people that gave free reign, to hmfc, and "used" a whole end of tynecastle for storage, on behalf of the council. an end which was never used for storage, but prevented demololition, and secured monies for that club.those were the men that stopped Farmer, from building on the butterfly section of Easter Road, thereby slowing the completion of our ground. those were the men , pictured while drinking buckfast when the hmfc celebrated winning cups outside the city chambers. those same men are the ones that try and tell the people of Scotland that we are better together.and Foulkes is one of them

you stopped short of using the word "scaremongering"!! This political chat is boring me. If the tubby yam spent as much time as this on every business in Scotland that was struggling, this country would be a better place...but he has not. He has however done it for hearts. What you want from a government does not really bother me, as a hibs fan and a council tax payer I am bothered by how are so called FM has used the time which I am paying for, as a council supporting, hibs supporting person. As both of these things I also lost out when they cheated financially to gain as a football team, and i don't support that.

[Phil D. Rolls]

you stopped short of using the word "scaremongering"!! This political chat is boring me. If the tubby yam spent as much time as this on every business in Scotland that was struggling, this country would be a better place...but he has not. He has however done it for hearts. What you want from a government does not really bother me, as a hibs fan and a council tax payer I am bothered by how are so called FM has used the time which I am paying for, as a council supporting, hibs supporting person. As both of these things I also lost out when they cheated financially to gain as a football team, and i don't support that.

Thanks for that non political slant on this tedious distraction. :rolleyes:

[bighairyfaeleith]

So no meeting today then?

Given Catholicism is pretty big in Lithuania* I would assume they will have a shut down for Easter so unless there is a meeting tomorrow** I would guess it will be next week at the earliest. Getting quite close to the end of april. :greengrin

*According to Wikipedia, I have no insiders in the Lithuanian church

**highly ****ing unlikely

[greenpaper55]

I thought we were going to stop all this political talk on here ?, plenty of other forums for that kind of thing. Still no news from Lithuania and a wee quote from the Hootsmans article this morning "Salmond, a Hearts supporter, remains hopeful that the deal can be completed, although last night both club administrator Bryan Jackson of BDO and a spokesperson for the Foundation of Hearts said there had been no further developments."

Good, lets hope it stays that way.

[Winston Ingram]

No worries on that score, the 3 "newer" stands were specifically engineered to allow for easy dismantling at some point in the future.... I can't remember if the idea was for the Yams to re-use the steels at a new site or if the intention was to sell the stands on.

Judging by the state of them, they're doing a good job of dismantling themselves

[BarneyK]

you stopped short of using the word "scaremongering"!! This political chat is boring me. If the tubby yam spent as much time as this on every business in Scotland that was struggling, this country would be a better place...but he has not. He has however done it for hearts. What you want from a government does not really bother me, as a hibs fan and a council tax payer I am bothered by how are so called FM has used the time which I am paying for, as a council supporting, hibs supporting person. As both of these things I also lost out when they cheated financially to gain as a football team, and i don't support that.

This story started out as him jetting off to Lithuania to sort it out didn't it. In reality though it turns out that all he did was make a wee phone call to the Lithuanian ambassador. Might it be possible that he made this phone call on his down time, or does he not get any of that on the wage you pay him? You're a hard task master.

[Ronniekirk]

So no meeting today then?

Given Catholicism is pretty big in Lithuania* I would assume they will have a shut down for Easter so unless there is a meeting tomorrow** I would guess it will be next week at the earliest. Getting quite close to the end of april. :greengrin

*According to Wikipedia, I have no insiders in the Lithuanian church

**highly ****ing unlikely

The more Political Interferance the more they then need to further Procastinate and then Ruminate .its just now adding to the delay Yes we are heading for Easter Time , so I guess the Politiicians are just trying to Egg them on into making a decision .But Inertia seems to be the name of the game just now .Presumably someone has told the Liths that there is a date by which a meeting needs to take place that would be interesting to know what that date is as think the Liths are enjoying all this attention and will take it right to the wire But at some point a date will pass that sees the Big L a mere formality .
You would of thought all this would of been in that Memorandum of Understanding which appears not to have been a shared understanding by all parties after all .
It's an interesting Polemic Juxtaposition ,can't understand why folk find it Tedious :wink:

[Waxy]

If the ukio vote does pass, will that be BDOs involvement finished? Even if the courts wont unfreeze the shares?

[Jim44]

This story started out as him jetting off to Lithuania to sort it out didn't it. In reality though it turns out that all he did was make a wee phone call to the Lithuanian ambassador. Might it be possible that he made this phone call on his down time, or does he not get any of that on the wage you pay him? You're a hard task master.

If he possibly intervened, say as an individual in his ' down time', why then splash it over the national press? And before we get the 'keep politics out of this debate', I would say that his involvement is very relevant to this thread. If and when we learn that his contribution to their cause was instrumental in it's success, I'm sure there will be no objections to heated debate about it.

[hibbypostie]

it could be their final pay day today

[BarneyK]

If he possibly intervened, say as an individual in his ' down time', why then splash it over the national press? And before we get the 'keep politics out of this debate', I would say that his involvement is very relevant to this thread. If and when we learn that his contribution to their cause was instrumental in it's success, I'm sure there will be no objections to heated debate about it.

Because he's a jambo and wants to be seen as having tried. The fact that they have felt the need to ask him to do this is surely suggestive that all is indeed not well as far as FOH/BDO are concerned. If anything it's a positive sign for those that want them dead that he has felt the need to intervene. IMO he will have no real influence in the process, if they finally get their CVA agreed it will be down to many other factors and not Alex Salmond.

[Saorsa]

If he possibly intervened, say as an individual in his ' down time', why then splash it over the national press? And before we get the 'keep politics out of this debate', I would say that his involvement is very relevant to this thread. If and when we learn that his contribution to their cause was instrumental in it's success, I'm sure there will be no objections to heated debate about it.Because sensationalism is what they do? :dunno: Imagine them blowing anything out of proportion and making it in tae a big story, that would never happen. :rolleyes: particularly as none of them have ever reported honestly on this story, only good news stories and cheer leading and how they are the poor wee victims and the bad man did it and ran away. Most of what they have reported has subsequently turned out tae be a lot of complete and utter load of tosh.


Ukio: creditors wake from their slumber and get up and have breakfast

allisbarry: deal just needs rubber stamped.





now can we keep on topic?

[bighairyfaeleith]

If he possibly intervened, say as an individual in his ' down time', why then splash it over the national press? And before we get the 'keep politics out of this debate', I would say that his involvement is very relevant to this thread. If and when we learn that his contribution to their cause was instrumental in it's success, I'm sure there will be no objections to heated debate about it.

His involvement is, the referendum is not.

[Sanger]

Hilarious how the national press are still reporting that Ukio meeting could take place this week. Even some saying Friday. Yesterday’s investigations here clearly showed that meeting needs ten day notice to the creditors and must be posted by the court in Lithuania. I assume this has to be made public by the court?

[Saorsa]

The First Minister's involvement is "on topic".Maybe so but every mention of it drags other issues in tae it which are not because some people cannae help themselves, and quite frankly it has spoiled and is spoiling what has so far been a fun thread.

[Ozyhibby]

Hilarious how the national press are still reporting that Ukio meeting could take place this week. Even some saying Friday. Yesterday’s investigations here clearly showed that meeting needs ten day notice to the creditors and must be posted by the court in Lithuania. I assume this has to be made public by the court?

I'm not convinced we can put much faith in the notice periods as they seem to ignore them anyway.

[One Day Soon]

There's some pretty breathtaking hypocrisy on here of late.

In a democracy, the last time I checked, you are entitled to vote and to do so for whatever motivation propels you. If you want to vote Yes or No in a Referendum on account of anything at all you can and should do so. I don't like that particularly, but it is your right.

Anyone who thinks that politics should be kept out of this discussion, or has nothing to do with the subject matter, is being extremely naive. A judicial process is being pursued by the various parties and it is subject to political pressure on a number of sides. The fact that the man who is currently First Minister of Scotland has volunteered himself into the public eye on this one simply brings the politics into sharper focus. The politics of all this isn't just a legitimate subject for this debate and this thread, it is an essential part of it.

We have a range of posters on this thread asking that Referendum/Salmond related political points be posted elsewhere rather than this thread. That's pretty ironic given the number of posters who are posting all over the thread with 'Yes' avatars and/or adverts on all of their posts. Added to which if people are genuinely reconsidering their voting intentions on the Referendum/Salmond due to his intervention in this matter then that surely becomes a legitimate part of the discussion, regardless of whether you think it is sensible of them to base their vote on such an issue?

For my part I am voting No and was always going to do so. That's because of the many £billions deficit that independence would demonstrably cause us and which will certainly require massive cuts in public services like the NHS, education and benefits - way beyond anything coming from Westminster.

So on Salmond intervening with the Lithuanians I think that if he was going to do it he should have done it quietly without announcing it, if at all. That's not really his style though is it? I think it would have been more legitimate of him to have done this if we had also heard him using the office of First Minister to publicly call for an investigation into what has been going on at Hearts over the last few years or indeed calling for action by the appropriate authorities against Romanov. Perhaps he has done so and I missed it.

Anyway, my main interest here is for this CVA stuff and the Referendum to both just be over. They have both sucked too much time and energy from far more important things that really matter and given too much prominence to people and institutions who were already sufficiently self-obsessed.

[Winston Ingram]

There's some pretty breathtaking hypocrisy on here of late.

In a democracy, the last time I checked, you are entitled to vote and to do so for whatever motivation propels you. If you want to vote Yes or No in a Referendum on account of anything at all you can and should do so. I don't like that particularly, but it is your right.

Anyone who thinks that politics should be kept out of this discussion, or has nothing to do with the subject matter, is being extremely naive. A judicial process is being pursued by the various parties and it is subject to political pressure on a number of sides. The fact that the man who is currently First Minister of Scotland has volunteered himself into the public eye on this one simply brings the politics into sharper focus. The politics of all this isn't just a legitimate subject for this debate and this thread, it is an essential part of it.

We have a range of posters on this thread asking that Referendum/Salmond related political points be posted elsewhere rather than this thread. That's pretty ironic given the number of posters who are posting all over the thread with 'Yes' avatars and/or adverts on all of their posts. Added to which if people are genuinely reconsidering their voting intentions on the Referendum/Salmond due to his intervention in this matter then that surely becomes a legitimate part of the discussion, regardless of whether you think it is sensible of them to base their vote on such an issue?

For my part I am voting No and was always going to do so. That's because of the many £billions deficit that independence would demonstrably cause us and which will certainly require massive cuts in public services like the NHS, education and benefits - way beyond anything coming from Westminster.

So on Salmond intervening with the Lithuanians I think that if he was going to do it he should have done it quietly without announcing it, if at all. That's not really his style though is it? I think it would have been more legitimate of him to have done this if we had also heard him using the office of First Minister to publicly call for an investigation into what has been going on at Hearts over the last few years or indeed calling for action by the appropriate authorities against Romanov. Perhaps he has done so and I missed it.

Anyway, my main interest here is for this CVA stuff and the Referendum to both just be over. They have both sucked too much time and energy from far more important things that really matter and given too much prominence to people and institutions who were already sufficiently self-obsessed.

I thought we were keeping this political ***** off here?

[CropleyWasGod]

If the ukio vote does pass, will that be BDOs involvement finished? Even if the courts wont unfreeze the shares?

If the UKIO vote passes the CVA, BDO's involvement lasts as long as the CVA takes to complete.

If it doesn't, and/or HMFC go into liquidation, BDO's involvement continues, as liquidator.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'm voting for the Greens in the referendum election thingy.

[greenpaper55]

:top marks
There's some pretty breathtaking hypocrisy on here of late.

In a democracy, the last time I checked, you are entitled to vote and to do so for whatever motivation propels you. If you want to vote Yes or No in a Referendum on account of anything at all you can and should do so. I don't like that particularly, but it is your right.

Anyone who thinks that politics should be kept out of this discussion, or has nothing to do with the subject matter, is being extremely naive. A judicial process is being pursued by the various parties and it is subject to political pressure on a number of sides. The fact that the man who is currently First Minister of Scotland has volunteered himself into the public eye on this one simply brings the politics into sharper focus. The politics of all this isn't just a legitimate subject for this debate and this thread, it is an essential part of it.

We have a range of posters on this thread asking that Referendum/Salmond related political points be posted elsewhere rather than this thread. That's pretty ironic given the number of posters who are posting all over the thread with 'Yes' avatars and/or adverts on all of their posts. Added to which if people are genuinely reconsidering their voting intentions on the Referendum/Salmond due to his intervention in this matter then that surely becomes a legitimate part of the discussion, regardless of whether you think it is sensible of them to base their vote on such an issue?

For my part I am voting No and was always going to do so. That's because of the many £billions deficit that independence would demonstrably cause us and which will certainly require massive cuts in public services like the NHS, education and benefits - way beyond anything coming from Westminster.

So on Salmond intervening with the Lithuanians I think that if he was going to do it he should have done it quietly without announcing it, if at all. That's not really his style though is it? I think it would have been more legitimate of him to have done this if we had also heard him using the office of First Minister to publicly call for an investigation into what has been going on at Hearts over the last few years or indeed calling for action by the appropriate authorities against Romanov. Perhaps he has done so and I missed it.

Anyway, my main interest here is for this CVA stuff and the Referendum to both just be over. They have both sucked too much time and energy from far more important things that really matter and given too much prominence to people and institutions who were already sufficiently self-obsessed.

:top marksMy thoughts as well so where do we go from here, maybe the politics thing will die a death like the jambos ?.

[HappyAsHellas]

New thread started titled Alex Salmond. Please go away old chap with all that crap that has nothing to do with this thread

[greenpaper55]

New thread started titled Alex Salmond. Please f&*k off there with all that crap that has nothing to do with this thread

Tut tut, language Timothy !.

[One Day Soon]

New thread started titled Alex Salmond. Please f&*k off there with all that crap that has nothing to do with this thread

You're a sensitive soul and your other thread doesn't have any proposed context at all.

[marinello59]

Given that Salmond, Foulkes and that MP guy have all got involved in this individually it is hard to disentangle politics from this.
However if you are going to post anything that is only concerned with the referendum could you please do it on the thread in the Holy Ground. It's much more fun kicking the Yams than each other. :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

New thread started titled Alex Salmond. Please f&*k off there with all that crap that has nothing to do with this thread

There seems to be double standards by many as several people are bringing politics onto this message board on a daily basis with their profile pictures and signatures about the up coming referendum.

Surely a board wide ban of this would make a fair game?

Regarding the yams and Salmond people can say they don't want to read it or be involved in it but its ignoring the way which he is acting.

Yam or not I would be asking questions with his involvement as I am yet to see any clear evidence he supported other clubs in bad financial problems. Don't forget these clubs usually bring it upon themselves.

it makes it worse here as he clearly states who he supports and was even seen in pictures such as the cup final lapping it up and now he expects it all to be fixed as if no harm was done to local businesses.

if he actually did something worthwhile like helping the local businesses who lost money he would get much more credit - instead he's going to try to come out looking like a savior and again shows the yams class - sell their soul to get a result.

[Saorsa]

Given that Salmond, Foulkes and that MP guy have all got involved in this individually it is hard to disentangle politics from this.
However if you are going to post anything that is only concerned with the referendum could you please do it on the thread in the Holy Ground. It's much more fun kicking the Yams than each other. :greengrin:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[greenpaper55]

Given that Salmond, Foulkes and that MP guy have all got involved in this individually it is hard to disentangle politics from this.
However if you are going to post anything that is only concerned with the referendum could you please do it on the thread in the Holy Ground. It's much more fun kicking the Yams than each other. :greengrin

Sound good, are they not dead yet. I wonder if Sergey has any updates on developments ?.

[CapitalGreen]

Share sale by UKIO approved by Creditors meeting

[Heisenberg]

@BBCBMcLauchlin: A meeting of the creditors committee of Ukio Bankas has now approved the sale of the shares held in Hearts.#bbcsportscot

[Waxy]

That was a tad unexpected.

[johnrebus]

So, If Hawrts are liquidated, do the authorities break all the rules - as with Sevo - and they are in League Two?

Or, is it a trawl around Gretna 2008, Rosewell and Stirling University?

:confused:

[Waxy]

Has to be Salmonds involvement.

[Saorsa]

There seems to be double standards by many as several people are bringing politics onto this message board on a daily basis with their profile pictures and signatures about the up coming referendum.

Surely a board wide ban of this would make a fair game?Quite happy tae remove mine, it was always my intention tae keep it off here but when I saw another user with better together in his sig then I thought what the ****, I'm having mine.

As I say quite happy tae remove any political reference from my avatar/signature if all are removed.


Edit: In fact I'll start lets, see if other follow? If they dinnae....

[bingo70]

Bugger.

Down to the freezer test im guessing now?

[grunt]

Now I guess we find out if they're still frozen...

[greenpaper55]

I suppose we can mention Salmond without getting bogged down in the referendum debate after all we have a go at Foulkes and Cardownie for being yams.

[Bostonhibby]

There's some pretty breathtaking hypocrisy on here of late.

In a democracy, the last time I checked, you are entitled to vote and to do so for whatever motivation propels you. If you want to vote Yes or No in a Referendum on account of anything at all you can and should do so. I don't like that particularly, but it is your right.

Anyone who thinks that politics should be kept out of this discussion, or has nothing to do with the subject matter, is being extremely naive. A judicial process is being pursued by the various parties and it is subject to political pressure on a number of sides. The fact that the man who is currently First Minister of Scotland has volunteered himself into the public eye on this one simply brings the politics into sharper focus. The politics of all this isn't just a legitimate subject for this debate and this thread, it is an essential part of it.

We have a range of posters on this thread asking that Referendum/Salmond related political points be posted elsewhere rather than this thread. That's pretty ironic given the number of posters who are posting all over the thread with 'Yes' avatars and/or adverts on all of their posts. Added to which if people are genuinely reconsidering their voting intentions on the Referendum/Salmond due to his intervention in this matter then that surely becomes a legitimate part of the discussion, regardless of whether you think it is sensible of them to base their vote on such an issue?

For my part I am voting No and was always going to do so. That's because of the many £billions deficit that independence would demonstrably cause us and which will certainly require massive cuts in public services like the NHS, education and benefits - way beyond anything coming from Westminster.

So on Salmond intervening with the Lithuanians I think that if he was going to do it he should have done it quietly without announcing it, if at all. That's not really his style though is it? I think it would have been more legitimate of him to have done this if we had also heard him using the office of First Minister to publicly call for an investigation into what has been going on at Hearts over the last few years or indeed calling for action by the appropriate authorities against Romanov. Perhaps he has done so and I missed it.

Anyway, my main interest here is for this CVA stuff and the Referendum to both just be over. They have both sucked too much time and energy from far more important things that really matter and given too much prominence to people and institutions who were already sufficiently self-obsessed.


Good post mate, I won't be voting for obvious reasons but just as iamanmp murray has been fair game on here since he propelled himself into the limelight I do feel Salmond is the other cheek of the same erse so to speak.

The fact that he is one of them and at the same time is a political figure and the front man for the yes campaign makes it difficult to separate the three things out in my opinion.

For example would he have anything special to bring to the table with the Liths if he wasn't the political figure that he is? Arguably his profile is higher because he does court a lot of publicity so when the whiff of intervention on behalf of the yam is suggested it can only be linked to what he does for a living and how he does it. The role he was elected to fulfil has the added perk of perceived personal influence.

As to how much attention they will pay to him I am not convinced it will be much at all - they might be astute enough to wonder about his silence whilst it was all going on on his own doorstep and wonder why his government took no action, or at least used the same channels they might be using now to tip the Liths off bearing in mind who the real losers ultimately were?

I can see the point about the political use of this type of thread but irrespective of the points made here, the die was cast a while ago when the pro independence stuff you mention started appearing without attracting much attention. For what its worth I have no problem with this however on all yam matters once a politico has decided to reflect in the glory by getting involved they are fair game for those who don't agree with their judgement - Politicians usually know what they are doing even if they can't see too far ahead and usually end up trying to distance themselves from their original involvement.

[grunt]

BBCBMcLauchlin ‏@BBCBMcLauchlin 5m (https://twitter.com/BBCBMcLauchlin/status/456352903931109376) BDO will now finalise the deal and prepare for the handover over of Hearts to Ann Budge#bbcsportscot

[greenpaper55]

If it's true then it's been fun while it lasted, sales of new underwear will drop in Gorgie !.

[Saorsa]

I suppose we can mention Salmond without getting bogged down in the referendum debate after all we have a go at Foulkes and Cardownie for being yams.some folk cannae though, they've got tae get their dig in. I've slagged pishy breeks, cardownie, salmond and the MP, nowt tae dae with politics though

[Brightside]

so either BBC are way off or our in the know guys knew nowt?? :confused:

[Saorsa]

BBCBMcLauchlin ‏@BBCBMcLauchlin 5m (https://twitter.com/BBCBMcLauchlin/status/456352903931109376) BDO will now finalise the deal and prepare for the handover over of Hearts to Ann Budge#bbcsportscotI thought the CVA was with FOH, no bugde.

[Saorsa]

so either BBC are way off or our in the know guys knew nowt?? :confused:They've hardly been accurate so far

[Craig_in_Prague]

Ffs :-(

[EK_Hibs]

Salmond interference may have helped but he would only have got this involved if he knew good news was coming.

[boab1875]

Looks like the Yams have gotten away with it again. How many times are they going to do this? It's absolutely disgraceful.

As for the people who have been talking absolute p*sh about frozen shares etc and guaranteeing that they would be liquidated, just f*** off eh. I have sat back and watched this thread for months now and I have been hoping that ****my club would get buried but not for a second did I believe anyone could predict or knew what would happen. I don't think anyone believed that drivel in the first place and I question where this information came from given the events of today.

Just accept that they are the establishment club and this was always going to happen. Alex f***ing Salmond intervened, does that not tell you everything about the lengths they are willing to go to to cheat their way to survival. They are an absolute disgrace of a club and have will no doubt have no remorse for the stealing and cheating they have done. What happens to the money they owe to lesser creditors and small businesses now? were they part of the CVA? I don't think so. and they won't care, such is the yam mentality.

Cheated their way to winning 2 cups, cheated charities and small businesses out of borrowed money, cheated their way to survival. Does it come as a surprise? not to me it doesn't.

[hibs0666]

Looks like the Yams have gotten away with it again. How many times are they going to do this? It's absolutely disgraceful.

As for the people who have been talking absolute p*sh about frozen shares etc and guaranteeing that they would be liquidated, just f*** off eh. I have sat back and watched this thread for months now and I have been hoping that ****my club would get buried but not for a second did I believe anyone could predict or knew what would happen. I don't think anyone believed that drivel in the first place and I question where this information came from given the events of today.

Just accept that they are the establishment club and this was always going to happen. Alex f***ing Salmond intervened, does that not tell you everything about the lengths they are willing to go to to cheat their way to survival. They are an absolute disgrace of a club and have will no doubt have no remorse for the stealing and cheating they have done. What happens to the money they owe to lesser creditors and small businesses now? were they part of the CVA? I don't think so. and they won't care, such is the yam mentality.

Cheated their way to winning 2 cups, cheated charities and small businesses out of borrowed money, cheated their way to survival. Does it come as a surprise? not to me it doesn't.

And breathe.

[greenpaper55]

They might have got away with it but the price is away games to the likes of Dumbarton !. Enjoy it as you might be there for a few seasons, lets whup them at ER soon.

[CyberSauzee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27048050

[Thecat23]

Looks like the Yams have gotten away with it again. How many times are they going to do this? It's absolutely disgraceful.

As for the people who have been talking absolute p*sh about frozen shares etc and guaranteeing that they would be liquidated, just f*** off eh. I have sat back and watched this thread for months now and I have been hoping that ****my club would get buried but not for a second did I believe anyone could predict or knew what would happen. I don't think anyone believed that drivel in the first place and I question where this information came from given the events of today.

Just accept that they are the establishment club and this was always going to happen. Alex f***ing Salmond intervened, does that not tell you everything about the lengths they are willing to go to to cheat their way to survival. They are an absolute disgrace of a club and have will no doubt have no remorse for the stealing and cheating they have done. What happens to the money they owe to lesser creditors and small businesses now? were they part of the CVA? I don't think so. and they won't care, such is the yam mentality.

Cheated their way to winning 2 cups, cheated charities and small businesses out of borrowed money, cheated their way to survival. Does it come as a surprise? not to me it doesn't.


Sniff, sniff..

[sh00byd00]

They've hardly been accurate so far

I tend to take anything the "in the know" crowd spout with a pinch of salt. I can't believe there are people on here that take people on the internet at face value or lap up everything they get told, then act all disappointed when it's proven it's all been nonsense. Hey-ho, they've gotten away with it again, but it's not the worst thing in the world to have happened.

[Craig_in_Prague]

They might have got away with it but the price is away games to the likes of Dumbarton !. Enjoy it as you might be there for a few seasons, lets whup them at ER soon.

Hibs will be joining them, unless they get a grip.

[Brunswickbill]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27048050

No mention of security over PBS?

[Gus]

I think after 46,000 posts that although the people in the know thought they knew, it was just their opinions, educated guesses of the outcome - no offence too said people

Hopefully now we can stop concerning ourselves what is going to happen to them or not going to happen as it happens and get behind Hibs, we have some p1sh on the park but let's let these "players" know that it is an spl club with spl support

[ionahibby]

A bit of political pressure does wonders! I wonder if he would have the done the same for anyone else i doubt it! Salmond can go **** himself if he wants my vote!

[bingo70]

Theyve not 'got away with it' in my book.

If the only punishment you were happy with was liquidation then you were being greedy imo.

They still have debt to pay back to budge.

Theyve still got a crumbling stadium so will need to get a mortgage to replace the main stand.

They have been relegated

The rangers in championship next season so wont get automatic promotion.

They have already got a threadbare squad with players likely to leave.

Theyll have to build new squad on reduced income.

Theyll have to start living within their means for the first time in 30 years.

Liquidation would have been nice and the cherry on top but imo this is in no way the end of their troubles.

[matty_f]

Fair play to BDO and FOH, they were the equivalent of being 3-0 down with two minutes to go and have pulled a result out the bag.

The next 5 years will be interesting though...

[Leithenhibby]

Looks like the Yams have gotten away with it again. How many times are they going to do this? It's absolutely disgraceful.

As for the people who have been talking absolute p*sh about frozen shares etc and guaranteeing that they would be liquidated, just f*** off eh. I have sat back and watched this thread for months now and I have been hoping that ****my club would get buried but not for a second did I believe anyone could predict or knew what would happen. I don't think anyone believed that drivel in the first place and I question where this information came from given the events of today.

Just accept that they are the establishment club and this was always going to happen. Alex f***ing Salmond intervened, does that not tell you everything about the lengths they are willing to go to to cheat their way to survival. They are an absolute disgrace of a club and have will no doubt have no remorse for the stealing and cheating they have done. What happens to the money they owe to lesser creditors and small businesses now? were they part of the CVA? I don't think so. and they won't care, such is the yam mentality.

Cheated their way to winning 2 cups, cheated charities and small businesses out of borrowed money, cheated their way to survival. Does it come as a surprise? not to me it doesn't.


Yeah, yeah... That's them out the woods by all accounts. :aok:

[stevejordan]

No official announcement and BBC Have been known to get it wrong before.

[matty_f]

Theyve not 'got away with it' in my book.

If the only punishment you were happy with was liquidation then you were being greedy imo.

They still have debt to pay back to budge.

Theyve still got a crumbling stadium so will need to get a mortgage to replace the main stand.

They have been relegated

The rangers in championship next season so wont get automatic promotion.

They have already got a threadbare squad with players likely to leave.

Theyll have to build new squad on reduced income.

Theyll have to start living within their means for the first time in 30 years.

Liquidation would have been nice and the cherry on top but imo this is in no way the end of their troubles.

:top marks

[Ryan91]

Pretty sure there has been 'good news' for Hearts before only for it to turn out to be a load of smoke and mirrors with nothing having actually happened.

There is still the small matter of a bunch of shares that are currently frozen as well as the security over the PBS that needs to be dealt with.

It's not over yet, not by a long shot, this road still has numerous twists and turns left in it.

[GREEN WARLORD]

So if they have only agreed to transfer the shares, will the freezer test be the next step?

[Hermit Crab]

@BBCBMcLauchlin: A meeting of the creditors committee of Ukio Bankas has now approved the sale of the shares held in Hearts.#bbcsportscot


Meh

[Frazerbob]

A bit of political pressure does wonders! I wonder if he would have the done the same for anyone else i doubt it! Salmond can go **** himself if he wants my vote!

Thankfully there's no election in which you can vote for Salmond or his party for at least another year.

[Craig_in_Prague]

"UKIO Bankas creditors met this morning & approved deal. Sale & Purchase agreement needs completed but we can say deal done" @IanMurrayMP

I hate them even more.
****bags.

[Leithenhibby]

"UKIO Bankas creditors met this morning & approved deal. Sale & Purchase agreement needs completed but we can say deal done" @IanMurrayMP

I hate them even more.
****bags.


They ain't over the line just yet........... :wink:

"I've bought a house, but I'm waiting on the keys"....

[Ryan91]

@BBCBMcLauchlin: A meeting of the creditors committee of Ukio Bankas has now approved the sale of the shares held in Hearts.#bbcsportscot

Just the small matter of the shares being transferred. Oh and let's not forget the UBIG shares that they still need to get a hold of, that are frozen.

Nowhere close to being over

[Saorsa]

Just the small matter of the shares being unfrozen by the Lith courts now. Oh and let's not forget the UBIG shares that they still need to get a hold of, that are also frozen.

Nowhere close to being overThe UKIO shares were never frozen, only the UBIG ones. UBIG creditors agreed tae transfer their shares but they still remain frozen by the courts and that sill has tae be resolved.

[marinello59]

Theyve not 'got away with it' in my book.

If the only punishment you were happy with was liquidation then you were being greedy imo.

They still have debt to pay back to budge.

Theyve still got a crumbling stadium so will need to get a mortgage to replace the main stand.

They have been relegated

The rangers in championship next season so wont get automatic promotion.

They have already got a threadbare squad with players likely to leave.

Theyll have to build new squad on reduced income.

Theyll have to start living within their means for the first time in 30 years.

Liquidation would have been nice and the cherry on top but imo this is in no way the end of their troubles.

Spot on. If this report is accurate then it's pretty much what I expected to happen.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Gets to the point you think, what's the point in sporting integrity?

The games a bogey.

Done with scottish football.

[Ryan91]

Thankfully there's no election in which you can vote for Salmond or his party for at least another year.

European elections are coming up are they not?


"UKIO Bankas creditors met this morning & approved deal. Sale & Purchase agreement needs completed but we can say deal done" @IanMurrayMP

I hate them even more.
****bags.

Looks like the MP seems to be implying that they're out of the woods now. Even he can't get his facts straight.

[stevejordan]

Just the small matter of the shares being transferred. Oh and let's not forget the UBIG shares that they still need to get a hold of, that are frozen.

Nowhere close to being over

Lots of thick ice in the waters they are sailing its not over yet by a long shot. The little matter of the frozen shares to be un frozen by the court AKA Portsmouth.

[Beefster]

I tend to take anything the "in the know" crowd spout with a pinch of salt. I can't believe there are people on here that take people on the internet at face value or lap up everything they get told, then act all disappointed when it's proven it's all been nonsense. Hey-ho, they've gotten away with it again, but it's not the worst thing in the world to have happened.

Next you'll be telling me that I haven't won £23,567,819 in the Nigerian lottery...

[ekhibee]

There's some pretty breathtaking hypocrisy on here of late.

In a democracy, the last time I checked, you are entitled to vote and to do so for whatever motivation propels you. If you want to vote Yes or No in a Referendum on account of anything at all you can and should do so. I don't like that particularly, but it is your right.

Anyone who thinks that politics should be kept out of this discussion, or has nothing to do with the subject matter, is being extremely naive. A judicial process is being pursued by the various parties and it is subject to political pressure on a number of sides. The fact that the man who is currently First Minister of Scotland has volunteered himself into the public eye on this one simply brings the politics into sharper focus. The politics of all this isn't just a legitimate subject for this debate and this thread, it is an essential part of it.

We have a range of posters on this thread asking that Referendum/Salmond related political points be posted elsewhere rather than this thread. That's pretty ironic given the number of posters who are posting all over the thread with 'Yes' avatars and/or adverts on all of their posts. Added to which if people are genuinely reconsidering their voting intentions on the Referendum/Salmond due to his intervention in this matter then that surely becomes a legitimate part of the discussion, regardless of whether you think it is sensible of them to base their vote on such an issue?

For my part I am voting No and was always going to do so. That's because of the many £billions deficit that independence would demonstrably cause us and which will certainly require massive cuts in public services like the NHS, education and benefits - way beyond anything coming from Westminster.

So on Salmond intervening with the Lithuanians I think that if he was going to do it he should have done it quietly without announcing it, if at all. That's not really his style though is it? I think it would have been more legitimate of him to have done this if we had also heard him using the office of First Minister to publicly call for an investigation into what has been going on at Hearts over the last few years or indeed calling for action by the appropriate authorities against Romanov. Perhaps he has done so and I missed it.

Anyway, my main interest here is for this CVA stuff and the Referendum to both just be over. They have both sucked too much time and energy from far more important things that really matter and given too much prominence to people and institutions who were already sufficiently self-obsessed.
Yes, we do live in a democracy, but that is a word that is bandied about very loosely, and many different people and cultures have very different interpretations of it. Athens, supposedly the first recognized democracy, was, in many ways, anything but. I actually totally disagree with virtually everything you say apart from the penultimate paragraph. I will be voting Yes and would seriously question how you arrived at your conclusions regarding "£billions deficit that independence would demonstrably cause us and which will certainly require massive cuts in public services." It is hardly demonstrable.
Anyhow, Salmond has never hidden his support of Hearts, the same way Gordon Brown never seems to hide his support of Raith Rovers, but your suggestion that he should have publicly called for an investigation into what has been going on at Hearts is one I totally agree with. And as you say, it's not his style is it? So there would have been little or no chance that he would have asked why they weren't demoted before the start of the season as any other club probably would have been. I would also add that they have received unwavering support from the media, particularly presenters on Radio Scotland Sportsound, they have been given hours and hours of air time to plead their case which would certainly not have happened with any other club. All it does is highlight how corrupt the whole system is in Scotland, and the ineffectiveness or inability of the BBC to provide a neutral, unbiased view on the matter.

[matty_f]

Gets to the point you think, what's the point in sporting integrity?

The games a bogey.

Done with scottish football.

They were punished exactly in line with the rules and they have agreed a deal with their creditors, surely a harsher punishment is not exercising sporting integrity?

[1two]

46331 posts - most of which look a wee bit silly now

[Steve20]

European elections are coming up are they not?



Looks like the MP seems to be implying that they're out of the woods now. Even he can't get his facts straight.

It's over now. They got away with it.

Only thing left is to hope we won't join them in the Championship next season.

[Mikey]

It's always the same. They get a bit of news that they consider to be good, folk lob their toys out of the pram, then a few hours later it all comes out in the wash that they're still nowhere near over the line.

[FranckSuzy]

Given this latest 'news' on Hear7s, please can you leave the political stuff out of this thread as there'll be a lot of people wanting to catch up on what's happening :aok:

[mim]

BBC Text:
'Ukio Bankas owns 30% of Hearts' shares and security over Tynecastle Stadium.
But that will now be sold following agreement at a meeting of Ukio Bankas creditors committee'.
Two ways of reading that?

[Stewboy]

It's always the same. They get a bit of news that they consider to be good, folk lob their toys out of the pram, then a few hours later it all comes out in the wash that they're still nowhere near over the line.

Can you blame folk?

[boab1875]

Yeah, yeah... That's them out the woods by all accounts. :aok:

you really believe this do you, really??? anyone who thinks they have not gotten away with it needs a reality check. not read anything about the hurdle of frozen shares anywhere else but here, and as I said before, I never believed it.

They will hopefully rot in division 1 for 4-5 years as Tynecastle continues to crumble away like the piece of **** it is. But make no mistake, getting away with £30million+ debt and only having to repay a fraction of this is cheating and will be seen as a victory by that lot across the city.

They are out of the woods as far as survival is concerned, but they will have numerous other problems to confront in the next few years which is pleasing. As frustrated as I am I would still never trade their position for ours in a million years.

[Sean1875]

BBC Text:
'Ukio Bankas owns 30% of Hearts' shares and security over Tynecastle Stadium.
But that will now be sold following agreement at a meeting of Ukio Bankas creditors committee'.
Two ways of reading that?

as far as I can understand that it's meaning sold to Budge/HOMFC?


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[QMU-1875]

Assets frozen or not?

[Thecat23]

It's always the same. They get a bit of news that they consider to be good, folk lob their toys out of the pram, then a few hours later it all comes out in the wash that they're still nowhere near over the line.

Well said Mikey. The digs folk are giving out to those who have posted good info throughout is low. I for one appreciated it as it was always pretty much spot on.

The folk taking the huff... Get a grip of yourself's man.

[hibs4thecup1988]

BBC Text:
'Ukio Bankas owns 30% of Hearts' shares and security over Tynecastle Stadium.
But that will now be sold following agreement at a meeting of Ukio Bankas creditors committee'.
Two ways of reading that?

See I didn't want to get my hopes up - poor journalism again just not confirming to whom?

[Leithenhibby]

you really believe this do you, really??? anyone who thinks they have not gotten away with it needs a reality check. not read anything about the hurdle of frozen shares anywhere else but here, and as I said before, I never believed it.

They will hopefully rot in division 1 for 4-5 years as Tynecastle continues to crumble away like the piece of **** it is. But make no mistake, getting away with £30million+ debt and only having to repay a fraction of this is cheating and will be seen as a victory by that lot across the city.

They are out of the woods as far as survival is concerned, but they will have numerous other problems to confront in the next few years which is pleasing. As frustrated as I am I would still never trade their position for ours in a million years.


I was being sarcastic my friend. They are far from being out the woods and even IF, they do end up with the shares, it's just the start for them. :wink:

[Craig_in_Prague]

It's over now. They got away with it.

Only thing left is to hope we won't join them in the Championship next season.

Yup.

We had a chance to relegate them at the PBS and have a few hours fun. We've had a chance on the park to beat an awful team on several occasions, including a cup QTR final.
Typical Hibs; we don't only screw that up, but we could easily be joining them in relegation.

[Saturdays Hero]

46331 posts - most of which look a wee bit silly now

Not that the owners of this site give a monkeys 😉 ....Ching Ching 💷💷

[GREEN WARLORD]

you really believe this do you, really??? anyone who thinks they have not gotten away with it needs a reality check. not read anything about the hurdle of frozen shares anywhere else but here, and as I said before, I never believed it.

They will hopefully rot in division 1 for 4-5 years as Tynecastle continues to crumble away like the piece of **** it is. But make no mistake, getting away with £30million+ debt and only having to repay a fraction of this is cheating and will be seen as a victory by that lot across the city.

They are out of the woods as far as survival is concerned, but they will have numerous other problems to confront in the next few years which is pleasing. As frustrated as I am I would still never trade their position for ours in a million years.
Did you not check the link to the Bloomberg site or did you miss that? Yes, it was written over a year ago but it was still put up on their website.

[hibs4thecup1988]

Not that the owners of this site give a monkeys  ....Ching Ching 

Why would they? Anything said that is against the law?

Give it a break. The owners of this site are on top of anything that is deemed unnecessary.

[matty_f]

Well said Mikey. The digs folk are giving out to those who have posted good info throughout is low. I for one appreciated it as it was always pretty much spot on.

The folk taking the huff... Get a grip of yourself's man.

:top marks

[Saturdays Hero]

Why would they? Anything said that is against the law?

Give it a break. The owners of this site are on top of anything that is deemed unnecessary.

It's not the unnecessary.....it's the opposite go to page 1 of the main forum and it's just thread after thread of tedious mis-informative dross 👍

[Keith_M]

Most of what has been written on here has been speculation, with the majority of posters happy to admit that. Some posters have claimed more 'insight' than others, some of it still questionable. However, people like CWG have simply posted facts and never claimed to know the outcome. I, for one, am grateful to them for the info.


Anyway, I can't believe so many people are once again slitting their wrists because it looks like they're not getting what they wanted

:rolleyes:

[Greenworld]

Well said Mikey. The digs folk are giving out to those who have posted good info throughout is low. I for one appreciated it as it was always pretty much spot on.

The folk taking the huff... Get a grip of yourself's man.

Yup well done to them for getting over the line the would
surely not announce that without being 100% of the fact.
The frozen shares seem to be figment of our imagination look
foward to be proven wrong.

[Sean1875]

It's not the unnecessary.....it's the opposite go to page 1 of the main forum and it's just thread after thread of tedious mis-informative dross 👍

don't bother logging-on to hibs.net then, Cheerio '👍'


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[Leithenhibby]

Most of what has been written on here has been speculation, with the majority of posters happy to admit that. Some posters have claimed more 'insight' than others, some of it still questionable. However, people like CWG have simply posted facts and never claimed to know the outcome. I, for one, am grateful to them for the info.


Anyway, I can't believe so many people are once again slitting their wrists because it looks like they're not getting what they wanted

:rolleyes:


This :agree:

[eggbamyasi]

Well said Mikey. The digs folk are giving out to those who have posted good info throughout is low. I for one appreciated it as it was always pretty much spot on.

The folk taking the huff... Get a grip of yourself's man.

Agreed . Not really commented on this thread much but enjoy reading it and mikey and thecat are right . Also hearts regardless of todays move forward are still in a really bad place . And will be struggling for a good few seasons yet . We just gotta focus on hibs now get out there and support our team leave them to fanny around in divison 1 hehe
GGTTH

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[hibbill2002]

What a waste of 10 years.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's always the same. They get a bit of news that they consider to be good, folk lob their toys out of the pram, then a few hours later it all comes out in the wash that they're still nowhere near over the line.



pmsl@ the ones yelling they won't vote yes now


oh and also the ones saying they knew all along that the yams would 'get let off' and the in-the-knowers were wrong all along...pity they didn't tell them they were all wrong 40k posts ago

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think some folk need to calm doon a bit. Talk about chucking the toys out the pram, dearie me!

[stevejordan]

Most of what has been written on here has been speculation, with the majority of posters happy to admit that. Some posters have claimed more 'insight' than others, some of it still questionable. However, people like CWG have simply posted facts and never claimed to know the outcome. I, for one, am grateful to them for the info.


Anyway, I can't believe so many people are once again slitting their wrists because it looks like they're not getting what they wanted

:rolleyes:

But it has been said many times on here it was a 3 stage process they have got past the first 2 now but the frozen shares to be un frozen by the courts it has been said lots of times on here that would be the hardest hurdle to get over ?

Or was that not the case and we have been led up the garden path and they have gotten away with it ?

[The_Horde]

So are they out of the s*** completely?

Luckiest club in the world.

Still it's going to be great watching them struggle next season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Gets to the point you think, what's the point in sporting integrity?

The games a bogey.

Done with scottish football.


Yup.

We had a chance to relegate them at the PBS and have a few hours fun. We've had a chance on the park to beat an awful team on several occasions, including a cup QTR final.
Typical Hibs; we don't only screw that up, but we could easily be joining them in relegation.



so have you given up, or still on board...so confusing :confused:

[JeMeSouviens]

Yup.

We had a chance to relegate them at the PBS and have a few hours fun. We've had a chance on the park to beat an awful team on several occasions, including a cup QTR final.
Typical Hibs; we don't only screw that up, but we could easily be joining them in relegation.

That's what all the angst on here is about, imo. :agree:

They cheated their way to a cup win by continuing to spend money they didn't have after Vlad's trouble turned the taps off in autumn 2011. However, we weren't the main victims of their cheating. St Mirren, St Johnstone and Celtc would all have probably beaten them if they'd had to field a team they could afford in that cup run. All 3 would probably have gone on to beat us in the final, especially if the same bent ref had been appointed.

So, they cheated their way to a cup and cheated Dundee out of their SPL place by delaying the inevitable admin. The punishment for that is getting humped round the SPL and relegated before the split. Seems fair enough to me.

The only problem for us is that we haven't joined the party. We should have beaten them 4 times this season and be looking to sign off on 10 unbeaten derbies while saying cheerio.

[Thecat23]

Yup well done to them for getting over the line the would
surely not announce that without being 100% of the fact.
The frozen shares seem to be figment of our imagination look
foward to be proven wrong.

I still think they have a bit to go before they are "over the line" but I'm not one who knows much if anything about this it's just a personal opinion.

But I don't see why folk are getting all worked up because of others posts. For me they have been spot on through all this. In life anything can happen at last min and that meeting may well have been rushed through due to Salmond.

I suggest to folk who are angry and chucking their toys out the pram not to have a go at others information.

[JeMeSouviens]

Did you not check the link to the Bloomberg site or did you miss that? Yes, it was written over a year ago but it was still put up on their website.

As Ozyhibby has pointed out a few times, the shares were frozen pre-admin to stop any jiggery pokery disposal from under the creditors' noses. Once UBIG went into admin and everything is therefore subject to creditor approval, I'm not particularly confident there'll be any more freezing.

It's possible they'll need a date in court to get the famous rubber stamp out though and if so, given the speed everything else has moved at in this saga, that might not be quick.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Well done DeSantos. Ripped from the start but looks to have got his '48hrs' acceptance spot on.

[jakeshibs]

what a bad start to the day, not happy with this news, was hoping for a different outcome, but would like to thank this forum for giving me some hope during the last year, Sergey CWG and all the others, I for one was grateful for your information and knowledge.

Not what I was hoping for, but loved all the speculation and inside information, thank you.

just hope they now suffer for the rest of time and live within their means,

I am sure our time will come one day, god knows we have waited long enough and deserve it, lets just get back to supporting our team and drag them over the finish line to ensure our own survival in the top flight.

God bless the Hibs

[greenpaper55]

Steady chaps, many yams will be looking on here and gloating but let them, just look down your collective noses at a lower division team that play in a ground with a deathtrap stand and have many years of paying back Mrs B.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Well done DeSantos. Ripped from the start but looks to have got his '48hrs' acceptance spot on.




i preferred not to comment on either sources of info, but i think a few on here owe DeSantos an apology

[GreenCastle]

Quite happy tae remove mine, it was always my intention tae keep it off here but when I saw another user with better together in his sig then I thought what the ****, I'm having mine.

As I say quite happy tae remove any political reference from my avatar/signature if all are removed.


Edit: In fact I'll start lets, see if other follow? If they dinnae....

:aok:

i wasn't having a personal go at anyone specific but I think the mods should have a ban on all political signatures / avatars.

Talk about it fine but let's keep it football / hibs related :aok::top marks

[The_Horde]

This is good news for hibs.

Means we can go out in the summer and spend money we don't have and get away with it relatively simply.

[Waxy]

The CVAs were always going to be passed according to most. The problem was getting the courts to rubber stamp the transfer. That is how i always understood it.

[Ozyhibby]

;3971524']This is good news for hibs.

Means we can go out in the summer and spend money we don't have and get away with it relatively simply.

If you want to spend money you don't have you need someone to give you money they have. Nobody is lending to Scottish football anymore.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Oh well it's been fun while it lasted will see how things progress from now on

[Craig_in_Prague]

so have you given up, or still on board...so confusing :confused:

Forgive me for replying to another poster and allowing me to see this saga to the end,

Or should I rush home from work, burn all my Hibs stuff and delete my account right now?

Forgive me for thinking that the best part of 20 years cheating, results in 1 season in a divsion below, can be seen as integrity;
Shedding millions and millions of pounds of debt, *****ing more out on players than they bring in (for years), Not paying for services and not even paying where they train & of course our very own lovely council etc........Makes me boak, that they get away it.
(Not to mention, I said ages ago, they get and will get political help - only to be shot down on here).

[One Day Soon]

I have to say I sincerely hope this is it all done and dusted. Level playing field now and all that. Much, much more importantly I actually think this has all been a giant distraction from the real issue - where our own club is going.

We have been on a diet of woeful football and performances for a ludicrously long time. Anything that brings the full focus back on to how we move forward rather than what is happening with other teams is welcome for me.

This morning's news will be worrying most of all for our club's leaders - both Board and Management team - because it finally removes a giant distraction for the supporters which though it hasn't masked all that is ill with our club/team, has certainly been nursed enthusiastically as a comfort blanket in adversity.

What's that expression? 5hit just got real......?

[Ozyhibby]

Lot of slashing of wrists on here this morning.
I don't think that the frozen shares will turn out to be a problem.
Let's look at where the two clubs are though. We are miles ahead of them in every aspect of the business.
Turning that advantage into superiority on the pitch is up to us and nothing to do with what happens to them.
Let focus on getting the 4 points we need to stay up and then start the rebuild over the summer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Forgive me for replying to another poster and allowing me to see this saga to the end,

Or should I rush home from work, burn all my Hibs stuff and delete my account right now?

Forgive me for thinking that the best part of 20 years cheating, results in 1 season in a divsion below, can be seen as integrity;
Shedding millions and millions of pounds of debt, *****ing more out on players than they bring in (for years), Not paying for services and not even paying where they train & of course our very own lovely council etc........Makes me boak, that they get away it.
(Not to mention, I said ages ago, they get and will get political help - only to be shot down on here).



oh dear :boo hoo:lots of forgiving

[cabbageandribs1875]

Lot of slashing of wrists on here this morning.
I don't think that the frozen shares will turn out to be a problem.
Let's look at where the two clubs are though. We are miles ahead of them in every aspect of the business.
Turning that advantage into superiority on the pitch is up to us and nothing to do with what happens to them.
Let focus on getting the 4 points we need to stay up and then start the rebuild over the summer.


i'm done with scottish football, i am..i really mean it this time :(

[Just_Jimmy]

Once again football shows that cheats prosper. The moral high ground is all well and good when everyone else is pissing themselves laughing at your expense.


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[Hermit Crab]

They will have old big nose signed for the derby if you believe kickback. :rolleyes:

[scuttle]

I have to say I sincerely hope this is it all done and dusted. Level playing field now and all that. Much, much more importantly I actually think this has all been a giant distraction from the real issue - where our own club is going.

We have been on a diet of woeful football and performances for a ludicrously long time. Anything that brings the full focus back on to how we move forward rather than what is happening with other teams is welcome for me.

This morning's news will be worrying most of all for our club's leaders - both Board and Management team - because it finally removes a giant distraction for the supporters which though it hasn't masked all that is ill with our club/team, has certainly been nursed enthusiastically as a comfort blanket in adversity.

What's that expression? 5hit just got real......?


Totally agree

[MrSmith]

Folks its not that bad! We will get a derby back at some point in the future - thankfully - but how far into the future? Is the question. They also have to deal with the albatross and I'm sure that when budgie attempts to take that one on ... she'll take flight rather quickly!

Good luck my jambo friends - you will need every bit of luck you get to survive!

[Keith_M]

Mikey, any chance of an update to the thread title?


How about 'BBC Report Shares Transferred / Wrist Slitters out in force' :wink:

[Hermit Crab]

i'm done with scottish football, i am..i really mean it this time :(


Away. It's hardly the end for Scottish football. Is it really time to walk away from football and your club because of another clubs problems? Unless of course you're at the lash :greengrin

[MacBean]

Without sounding like too much of an optimist, the only quotes are from I'm an MP on the BBC website, both sources have spouted p!sh /propoganda before.
Theres been nothing from HOMOFC, UKIO or BDO?

[Leithenhibby]

Mikey, any chance of an update to the thread title?


How about 'BBC Report Shares Transferred / Wrist Slitters out in force' :wink:

:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

They will have old big nose signed for the derby if you believe kickback. :rolleyes:

There is no chance they are out of admin before the end of the season.
He'll be there next season though but who cares, they're not in our league.

[Hermit Crab]

There is no chance they are out of admin before the end of the season.
He'll be there next season though but who cares, they're not in our league.


Theyll get get one more season out of him if they are lucky. The hatchet men in that league will snap him anyway.

[tamig]

Looks like the Yams have gotten away with it again. How many times are they going to do this? It's absolutely disgraceful.

As for the people who have been talking absolute p*sh about frozen shares etc and guaranteeing that they would be liquidated, just f*** off eh. I have sat back and watched this thread for months now and I have been hoping that ****my club would get buried but not for a second did I believe anyone could predict or knew what would happen. I don't think anyone believed that drivel in the first place and I question where this information came from given the events of today.

Just accept that they are the establishment club and this was always going to happen. Alex f***ing Salmond intervened, does that not tell you everything about the lengths they are willing to go to to cheat their way to survival. They are an absolute disgrace of a club and have will no doubt have no remorse for the stealing and cheating they have done. What happens to the money they owe to lesser creditors and small businesses now? were they part of the CVA? I don't think so. and they won't care, such is the yam mentality.

Cheated their way to winning 2 cups, cheated charities and small businesses out of borrowed money, cheated their way to survival. Does it come as a surprise? not to me it doesn't.

Get a grip man. Their pain is only beginning. They will never be the same again.

[Gus Fring]

If anyone has a problem with my info then please use the quote function to show me where I was wrong.

[The_Todd]

It had an air of inevitability about it. Meanwhile they'll be stuck in the Championship for a couple of years and turn out like Dundee. Anyone getting too worked up about it needs to log out for a couple of days and chill out, I'm still going to enjoy the pain of them not being able to buy themselves promotion. If only there was a way for Hearts and Rangers to fail to get promoted next year :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

They haven't got away with it all..far from it!

They are still skint and will be for a long time. Direct debits or not wont help them get anywhere near half decent players.

The Direct debits are still a risk - if people stop paying then what is plan B ?

The whole of UK football and outside have seen the media stories about the club - it has been made a laughing stock and many now know its the club with no shame.

Debt free ? No they just owe a new debt to someone else more local! Still owing others for years to come!

Fan ownership? No Budge is in control. There is still a risk with this strategy.

Stadium costs solved? No that is still a massive outgoing and needs to be rectified - how? Not even the yams know but it will need dealt with sooner rather than later.

Relegation - even if they don't admit it..it hurts.. and won't sink in for while - wait till next season when these new stadiums aren't as exciting as first thought. Add to the fact the league will be very hard to get promoted first time and they will be paying SPFL prices for worse quality football.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Mikey, any chance of an update to the thread title?


How about 'BBC Report Shares Transferred / Wrist Slitters out in force' :wink:

:agree:

[davhibby]

Look what Happened to Portsmouth, they got taken over by the fans and thought that they were out of the woods but they've kept dropping down the divisions. That could happen to hearts?

[tamig]

Theyve not 'got away with it' in my book.

If the only punishment you were happy with was liquidation then you were being greedy imo.

They still have debt to pay back to budge.

Theyve still got a crumbling stadium so will need to get a mortgage to replace the main stand.

They have been relegated

The rangers in championship next season so wont get automatic promotion.

They have already got a threadbare squad with players likely to leave.

Theyll have to build new squad on reduced income.

Theyll have to start living within their means for the first time in 30 years.

Liquidation would have been nice and the cherry on top but imo this is in no way the end of their troubles.

That's how I see it bud.

[jakeshibs]

you really believe this do you, really??? anyone who thinks they have not gotten away with it needs a reality check. not read anything about the hurdle of frozen shares anywhere else but here, and as I said before, I never believed it.

They will hopefully rot in division 1 for 4-5 years as Tynecastle continues to crumble away like the piece of **** it is. But make no mistake, getting away with £30million+ debt and only having to repay a fraction of this is cheating and will be seen as a victory by that lot across the city.

They are out of the woods as far as survival is concerned, but they will have numerous other problems to confront in the next few years which is pleasing. As frustrated as I am I would still never trade their position for ours in a million years.

we may be in the same boat come the end of the season without having spent 30Mil + or won tainted cups, if we join them in the lower league we will struggle as we never really competed with their team this season. only difference is our facilities.

so I do think they have got away with it, and they have, there is no promise they will spend years in the lower leagues,

all we can do now is concentrate on dragging our team over the finish line to try keep our position in the top flight of Scottish football

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Look what Happened to Portsmouth, they got taken over by the fans and thought that they were out of the woods but they've kept dropping down the divisions. That could happen to hearts?

I would imagine it will happen to the Schcumbos.

The direct debit fools need to now, somehow, fund the first team and youth teams and training facilities. That's a LOT of £.

Players contracts won't be as delightful either.

They'll struggle alright.

[jakeshibs]

That's how I see it bud.

as I said we may join them so how does that work, we get the same punishment?