Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[Danderhall Hibs]

Without doubt, you have absolutely no sense of humour! That video is epic!!!:faf:

Nah I think your sense of humour's pish. So far from "Epic" it's not true. Just because it's a piss take of Hearts doesn't make it funny.

[Danderhall Hibs]

.....and then there are those who've had the humour bypass operation.

I just laugh at funny stuff mate.

[Hibby70]

Agreed. Some folk are easily pleased.
I'm also in the "that was mince" camp. Maybe I was expecting too much.

Compared to their official site it really wasn't that funny.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'm also in the "that was mince" camp. Maybe I was expecting too much.

Compared to their official site it really wasn't that funny.

Not even good enough to make the cut for Only an Excuse and that's saying something.

[#FromTheCapital]

Think it's absolutely hilarious! The fact that some people think its a genuine hearts fan at first is obviously what the guy was hoping to achieve. Loads of sly digs and witty remarks that take the absolute **** out of our pink neighbours. Gets funnier everytime i watch it. 10 out of 10.

[Jack Hackett]

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I see Johnny-Hibees (aye, right) is on there, which is odd considering his first post on the site


I say we stop concentrating on the yams finances, I don't care what happens to them, whether they survive or not, doesn't matter to me. I say we focus more on our own shocking finances where we have recently lost £1 million in the last year taking our total to £6 million. This needs to be addressed and sorted ASAP

Shouldn't his name be pink? :greengrin

[Jack Hackett]

I just laugh at funny stuff mate.

'funny stuff' is a matter of opinion

[Danderhall Hibs]

'funny stuff' is a matter of opinion

Correct. So I'm unsure how you can say i've had a humour bypass!

[Jack Hackett]

Correct. So I'm unsure how you can say i've had a humour bypass!

Just as sure as you are that I'm easily pleased

[SloopJB]

A lot better than wanting the yams staying alive
In your opinion.
I do respect your opinion on your own team in the third division though

[Jack Hackett]

Before this goes any further Danderhall, I didn't get up this morning looking for an argument, but events outwith this board may have left me a little ratty.

When I saw your post, it kind of got my back up and I took it personally, whereas it's the kind of thing we all say to people we know as a throw-away remark. I apologize for sniping at you and suggest we leave it as it is

[Chibs]

In your opinion.
I do respect your opinion on your own team in the third division though

And I respect your decision to keep a team that tried to kill us alive.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Before this goes any further Danderhall, I didn't get up this morning looking for an argument, but events outwith this board may have left me a little ratty.

When I saw your post, it kind of got my back up and I took it personally, whereas it's the kind of thing we all say to people we know as a throw-away remark. I apologize for sniping at you and suggest we leave it as it is

Believe it or not I was leaving you with the last word on this one! All the best.

[Jack Hackett]

Believe it or not I was leaving you with the last word on this one! All the best.

Some days, it's just best not to get out of bed mate :zzzzz!:

[Famous5forever]

even wi ah that share money donated by their mug fans they are 600 thousand short so thats it they wont make out to the end oh the season plus a points deduction has to be inforced as they have no paid the players again.

[SloopJB]

And I respect your decision to keep a team that tried to kill us alive.
thank you

[cocopops1875]

even wi ah that share money donated by their mug fans they are 600 thousand short so thats it they wont make out to the end oh the season plus a points deduction has to be inforced as they have no paid the players again.

Does it :confused:

[Northernhibee]

Have the 28 been named and shamed yet

I want Hearts to remain in the SPL so I can enjoy watching them play a weaker and weaker team each season. I want us to go on a run of 30, 40, 50 derbies undefeated as they can't defeat "the wee team", I want us to give them embarrasing defeat after embarrasing defeat and watching them try to comfort themselves with their "5-1"s, with less and less conviction each time.

[Treadstone]

Some cracking tweets about Romanov. Familiar feel.

https://twitter.com/LithuaniaBasket

[CropleyWasGod]

Jesus, it's all getting a bit Brokeback Mountain on here this afternoon, guys.

TF Christmas is only once a year.

:not worth

[Hibbyradge]

Some cracking tweets about Romanov. Familiar feel.

https://twitter.com/LithuaniaBasket

LithuaniaBasket ‏@LithuaniaBasket
Romanov: "Hearts are living off their own income. I'm not giving any of my money. When Hearts earn more, there'll be more for Žalgiris."

And another...

LithuaniaBasket ‏@LithuaniaBasket
Romanov: "Žalgiris budget is €10.6 million, but we need at least €2.9 million from fans to be able to stay competitive in Euroleague."

Looks like he's fleecing everyone.

[Jack Hackett]

jesus, it's all getting a bit brokeback mountain on here this afternoon, guys.

Tf christmas is only once a year.

:not worth

KMHA http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/GerryJ/kissmyass_zps6043148e.gif

[VickMackie]

LithuaniaBasket ‏@LithuaniaBasket
Romanov: "Hearts are living off their own income. I'm not giving any of my money. When Hearts earn more, there'll be more for Žalgiris."

That's crazy for the yams of true. Subsidising the basketball team although they can't complain because his financial companies hAve subsidised them.

[cad]

Should a cry of "Mon The Hoops " be expected from the fleeced ones soon ,led by Meadowlark McGlynn:greengrin

[Chibs]

I want Hearts to remain in the SPL so I can enjoy watching them play a weaker and weaker team each season. I want us to go on a run of 30, 40, 50 derbies undefeated as they can't defeat "the wee team", I want us to give them embarrasing defeat after embarrasing defeat and watching them try to comfort themselves with their "5-1"s, with less and less conviction each time.

Really
personally I want to see them die

[connerg]

Really
personally I want to see them die

I want them to be wiped off the face of the planet too, only after we've humiliated them time after time after time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like heaven to me.:greengrin

[GordonHFC]

I want them to be wiped off the face of the planet too, only after we've humiliated them time after time after time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like heaven to me.:greengrin

In the immortal words of Demi Moore - Ditto

[Sergey]

Novikovas signs a pre-contract with Lech Poznan.

http://bulgarska.pl/arvydas-novikovas-moze-przejsc-do-kolejorza,artykul.html?material_id=50d44c6d142d5cb 346010000

Not sure if there will even be a fee involved so he'll probably leave on a free at the end of the season.

One of their better players, IMHO.

[CropleyWasGod]

Novikovas signs a pre-contract with Lech Poznan.

http://bulgarska.pl/arvydas-novikovas-moze-przejsc-do-kolejorza,artykul.html?material_id=50d44c6d142d5cb 346010000

Not sure if there will even be a fee involved so he'll probably leave on a free at the end of the season.

One of their better players, IMHO.

I'll trust your Polish. :greengrin

The article also mentions Ojamaa. Is he going as well?

[truehibernian]

Novikovas signs a pre-contract with Lech Poznan.

http://bulgarska.pl/arvydas-novikovas-moze-przejsc-do-kolejorza,artykul.html?material_id=50d44c6d142d5cb 346010000

Not sure if there will even be a fee involved so he'll probably leave on a free at the end of the season.

One of their better players, IMHO.

Does the indefinite embargo not mean they can't sell players too ? I'm unsure to be honest - anyone know ? I know it'd be a double whammy but I thought I'd read somewhere they couldn't sell players until it was lifted, or am I talking Lilian Gish

[At The Edge]

Google translator

We managed to find out that the target of Poznan is Arvydas Novikovas locomotives from the Scottish Hearts.








Profile Arvydas Novikovas at Hearts

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk photo

President Lech Karol Klimczak repeated on many occasions that the Poznan club with particular attention to the Scandinavian market and penetrating the Benelux, it turns out, however, that closely follows what is happening in. .. Scotland.

On Wednesday, there is information that the first can be enhanced Kolejorz Estonian Henrik Ojamaa of Motherwell. We managed to find out that the target of Lech is also Arvydas Novikovas. This, in turn, representative of Lithuania, which as the portal transfermarkt.de, as early as June ends the contract.

Poznan club did not want to comment on reports of its ongoing negotiations. It is known, however, that will be significantly strengthened offensive. Lech looking attacking midfielder and striker. Ojamaa is fast and strong player, but Motherwell asked for it more than 200 thousand euros. Kolejorz look so cheaper alternatives.

I found it. Very interesting, in many ways, is a player with Arvydas Novikovas with Heart of Midlothian. Litwin is 22 years old can play both in attack and in help. He regularly performs in representing his country and club. This season in 16 league matches on the pitch Scottish spent nearly 1,000 minutes. Scored three goals and notched two assists.

A Lithuanian in June ends contract with "Hearts" can therefore no longer Jan. 1 to sign a contract with a new club. Lech Will it? Much depends on how the negotiations turn out with Henrik Ojamaą. Poznan club would like to rent Estonian, while his club Motherwell want a definitive transfer.

[CropleyWasGod]

Does the indefinite embargo not mean they can't sell players too ? I'm unsure to be honest - anyone know ? I know it'd be a double whammy but I thought I'd read somewhere they couldn't sell players until it was lifted, or am I talking Lilian Gish

It's a signing embargo.

However, it would be poetic justice if they couldn't get rid of players either. All those wages, and no way of paying 'em......:cb

[truehibernian]

It's a signing embargo.

However, it would be poetic justice if they couldn't get rid of players either. All those wages, and no way of paying 'em......:cb

Not for the first time CWG I think I'm talking rubbish - perhaps pub chat and I've been more inebriated than usual.

[Mikey]

Novikovas signs a pre-contract with Lech Poznan.

http://bulgarska.pl/arvydas-novikovas-moze-przejsc-do-kolejorza,artykul.html?material_id=50d44c6d142d5cb 346010000

Not sure if there will even be a fee involved so he'll probably leave on a free at the end of the season.

One of their better players, IMHO.


The situation they're in still hasn't quite penetrated some of the thicker skulls over the road.........



Excellent result if we could get 200-300k next month and use a bit of his wage on a new signing

[bingo70]

Novikovas signs a pre-contract with Lech Poznan.

http://bulgarska.pl/arvydas-novikovas-moze-przejsc-do-kolejorza,artykul.html?material_id=50d44c6d142d5cb 346010000

Not sure if there will even be a fee involved so he'll probably leave on a free at the end of the season.

One of their better players, IMHO.

Yeah, would be a loss for them on the park, imagine he'll be one of the lower earners so thought they may look to keep players like him and ditch the high earners.

[7062]

Novikovas signs a pre-contract with Lech Poznan.

http://bulgarska.pl/arvydas-novikovas-moze-przejsc-do-kolejorza,artykul.html?material_id=50d44c6d142d5cb 346010000

Not sure if there will even be a fee involved so he'll probably leave on a free at the end of the season.

One of their better players, IMHO.

The translated story doesn't actually say anything has been signed yet.

[sambajustice]

What position is "Help"?

I like the sound of that, I might tell my sunday league gaffer I want to play left sided help from now on.

However, "penetrating the benelux" sounds like a job for someone else on the pitch!!

[Sergey]

The translated story doesn't actually say anything has been signed yet.

I don't think anything can be officially signed until January 1st, but I read it that the deal has been agreed in principle.

He'll be offski.

[7062]

I don't think anything can be officially signed until January 1st, but I read it that the deal has been agreed in principle.

He'll be offski.

Hope you're right and hope this is the first of many!

[Sweet Left Peg]

I may well have inadvertently reported a post on this page. If it was yours then I cite a couple of scoops, a dodgy smartphone and clumsy fingers, rather than any offence taken taken.

[CropleyWasGod]

I may well have inadvertently reported a post on this page. If it was yours then I cite a couple of scoops, a dodgy smartphone and clumsy fingers, rather than any offence taken taken.

Please let it be mine. I have to cure my addiction somehow.

[bingo70]

I don't think anything can be officially signed until January 1st, but I read it that the deal has been agreed in principle.

He'll be offski.

Is it definately a pre-contract?

That's of no use to them at all so I hope so.

[BroxburnHibee]

I may well have inadvertently reported a post on this page. If it was yours then I cite a couple of scoops, a dodgy smartphone and clumsy fingers, rather than any offence taken taken.

You didn't. :greengrin

[theonlywayisup]

Hope you're right and hope this is the first of many!

I think us Hibees need to decide on how we would like things to pan out. There are two scenarios:

Sell players during the January transfer window, see them weakened until the end of the season, but able to survive as they have reduced their wage bill and unlikely to be relegated as Dundee are so poor. Possibly come back next season, strengthened.
Unable to sell players as they will not leave during the January transfer window, but unable to keep paying them as they are high wage earners and end up with points deduction and their financial position leaves them weakened, possibly meaning that they are unable to fulfill their fixtures, leading to armageddon, Yam-style.

Which do you want?

[Www1875hfc]

Hope you're right and hope this is the first of many!

I'm sure it will be the 1st of a few :agree:

Ryan McGowan will probably play his last game for the puddle drinkers against Hibs,before he heads for a lucrative 9 month stint in china.

[The Green Goblin]

Regarding the list of "28" who voted saying they wanted the yams to survive and stay in the SPL... Folks should be free to vote as they wish. I disagree with how those people voted, but I would never for one second agree with them being criticised for voting that way. What they think is up to them. Personally, I don't like the posts that are using phrases like "naming and shaming" and inviting negativity towards those posters. That was their opinion and they are entitled to express it.

[banchoryhibs]

Regarding the list of "28" who voted saying they wanted the yams to survive and stay in the SPL... Folks should be free to vote as they wish. I disagree with how those people voted, but I would never for one second agree with them being criticised for voting that way. What they think is up to them. Personally, I don't like the posts that are using phrases like "naming and shaming" and inviting negativity towards those posters. That was their opinion and they are entitled to express it.

Totally agree:agree:

[Jack Hackett]

Novikovas signs a pre-contract with Lech Poznan.

http://bulgarska.pl/arvydas-novikovas-moze-przejsc-do-kolejorza,artykul.html?material_id=50d44c6d142d5cb 346010000

Not sure if there will even be a fee involved so he'll probably leave on a free at the end of the season.

One of their better players, IMHO.


If he signs a pre-contract, I can see hertz just letting him go in January rather than pay him for another 5 or 6 months

[Sergey]

If he signs a pre-contract, I can see hertz just letting him go in January rather than pay him for another 5 or 6 months


But Hertz don't have any say in the matter as he's contracted to them until the end of the season. If he wants to see out his contract, then he's entitled to do that. Hertz would have to negotiate a pay-off with money from their 'youth development' monies that the share offer raised.

[Jack Hackett]

But Hertz don't have any say in the matter as he's contracted to them until the end of the season. If he wants to see out his contract, then he's entitled to do that. Hertz would have to negotiate a pay-off with money from their 'youth development' monies that the share offer raised.

He certainly is Sergey, but 'mutual agreement' may well come into play, especially if the laddie would prefer not to be at tincastle. It would be to both parties benefit. It may well apply in other cases as well.

[Supraninja]

I never realised people were getting all upset about how I voted.

Get rekt morons. Until a few weeks ago, as a relatively new Hibs fan, I had literally never seen Hibs win a derby (my interest in football began at the same time Yogi was appointed). I still got excited before every one at the prospect of beating Hearts and crowing and gloating at my friends of a maroon persuasion. It hadn't happened at the time I cast my vote. I still don't think I would want them to go bust now. I love looking at the table and seeing us above Hearts. Football wouldn't be as exciting or involving without them.

[lord bunberry]

I never realised people were getting all upset about how I voted.

Get rekt morons. Until a few weeks ago, as a relatively new Hibs fan, I had literally never seen Hibs win a derby (my interest in football began at the same time Yogi was appointed). I still got excited before every one at the prospect of beating Hearts and crowing and gloating at my friends of a maroon persuasion. It hadn't happened at the time I cast my vote. I still don't think I would want them to go bust now. I love looking at the table and seeing us above Hearts. Football wouldn't be as exciting or involving without them.

Ooooh get her

[I'm_cabbaged]

Have never entered into the PBS since TFTB, can't believe that I've just put 50 notes into their kitty for a couple of tickets.

I feel dirty :bitchy:

[Jack Hackett]

I never realised people were getting all upset about how I voted.

Get rekt morons. Until a few weeks ago, as a relatively new Hibs fan, I had literally never seen Hibs win a derby (my interest in football began at the same time Yogi was appointed). I still got excited before every one at the prospect of beating Hearts and crowing and gloating at my friends of a maroon persuasion. It hadn't happened at the time I cast my vote. I still don't think I would want them to go bust now. I love looking at the table and seeing us above Hearts. Football wouldn't be as exciting or involving without them.

I actually decided to reply to Sergey's post before the one concerning 'The 28'

There are plenty of hibbies who would miss the derby, me included (though not to the point where I want them to survive). Those that would, are fully entitled to vote to keep them. I'm a bit suspicious of the motives of someone who professes not to care, but chooses to ignore that option and then goes on to have a dig at Hibs though

[Mr White]

Get rekt morons. .

damn right, its saturday night and i'm off my work for 2 weeks :cheers: :dizzy

[7062]

I think us Hibees need to decide on how we would like things to pan out. There are two scenarios:

Sell players during the January transfer window, see them weakened until the end of the season, but able to survive as they have reduced their wage bill and unlikely to be relegated as Dundee are so poor. Possibly come back next season, strengthened.
Unable to sell players as they will not leave during the January transfer window, but unable to keep paying them as they are high wage earners and end up with points deduction and their financial position leaves them weakened, possibly meaning that they are unable to fulfill their fixtures, leading to armageddon, Yam-style.

Which do you want?

I think I'd like the 2nd scenario to unfold, however if the last sentence was removed from the 1st scenario, I would settle for that.

I'd still like another scenario to happen though which is for them to implode tomorrow and cease to exist.

[Chibs]

I never realised people were getting all upset about how I voted.

Get rekt morons. Until a few weeks ago, as a relatively new Hibs fan, I had literally never seen Hibs win a derby (my interest in football began at the same time Yogi was appointed). I still got excited before every one at the prospect of beating Hearts and crowing and gloating at my friends of a maroon persuasion. It hadn't happened at the time I cast my vote. I still don't think I would want them to go bust now. I love looking at the table and seeing us above Hearts. Football wouldn't be as exciting or involving without them.
If I hurt your feelings I apologise sincerely.
But I still look forward to the terminal demise of that ****

[Springbank]

I think us Hibees need to decide on how we would like things to pan out. There are two scenarios:

Sell players during the January transfer window, see them weakened until the end of the season, but able to survive as they have reduced their wage bill and unlikely to be relegated as Dundee are so poor. Possibly come back next season, strengthened.
Unable to sell players as they will not leave during the January transfer window, but unable to keep paying them as they are high wage earners and end up with points deduction and their financial position leaves them weakened, possibly meaning that they are unable to fulfill their fixtures, leading to armageddon, Yam-style.
Which do you want?

Yambo Shambles continues

I picked up my 2 tickets for the derby, only to then get a call from my bank saying it looked like an unusual transaction and unless I called to insist the transaction went through, then my bank would withhold payment.

I've got the tickets from the Yams, for the Hibs end, and they're not getting payment.

Is this My Part In Their Downfall???

[hfc rd]

I think us Hibees need to decide on how we would like things to pan out. There are two scenarios:

Sell players during the January transfer window, see them weakened until the end of the season, but able to survive as they have reduced their wage bill and unlikely to be relegated as Dundee are so poor. Possibly come back next season, strengthened.
Unable to sell players as they will not leave during the January transfer window, but unable to keep paying them as they are high wage earners and end up with points deduction and their financial position leaves them weakened, possibly meaning that they are unable to fulfill their fixtures, leading to armageddon, Yam-style.

Which do you want?



2nd scenario for me.

[jabis]

I never realised people were getting all upset about how I voted.

Get rekt morons. Until a few weeks ago, as a relatively new Hibs fan, I had literally never seen Hibs win a derby (my interest in football began at the same time Yogi was appointed). I still got excited before every one at the prospect of beating Hearts and crowing and gloating at my friends of a maroon persuasion. It hadn't happened at the time I cast my vote. I still don't think I would want them to go bust now. I love looking at the table and seeing us above Hearts. Football wouldn't be as exciting or involving without them.

ok...first of all the word is WRECKED.....secondly,"morons"......the word is "maroons"......."I had literally never seen Hibs win a derby"...LITERALLY....really,1-0,6-2,how old are you ?

actually,maybe you're just a poor wee sod that found his xmas present early and found Hibs.Net.

[Brooster]

Yambo Shambles continues

I picked up my 2 tickets for the derby, only to then get a call from my bank saying it looked like an unusual transaction and unless I called to insist the transaction went through, then my bank would withhold payment.

I've got the tickets from the Yams, for the Hibs end, and they're not getting payment.

Is this My Part In Their Downfall???


Hibs will have to pay for them in that case as they pay for tickets they don't hand back. You are doing Hibs out of £60.

[StevieC]

Yambo Shambles continues

I picked up my 2 tickets for the derby, only to then get a call from my bank saying it looked like an unusual transaction and unless I called to insist the transaction went through, then my bank would withhold payment.

I've got the tickets from the Yams, for the Hibs end, and they're not getting payment.

Is this My Part In Their Downfall???

If they scan tickets, like we do, then they'll just cancel the tickets that you have and re-issue new ones for those seats.

If you are on the database you might get a call about the payment.

[CentreLine]

ok...first of all the word is WRECKED.....secondly,"morons"......the word is "maroons"......."I had literally never seen Hibs win a derby"...LITERALLY....really,1-0,6-2,how old are you ?

actually,maybe you're just a poor wee sod that found his xmas present early and found Hibs.Net.

Maybe the poster has not been able to get along to a derby but for some reason felt the need to apologise for being included on a list of people who don't happen to agree with your views on what should or should not happen to our greatest rivals.

If Hibs.net want to get a genuine sample of what their users feelings are on a particular subject then it is not unreasonable to expect those views to be varied.

For the record, I have been a Hibs Supporter since I was seven years of age. My first match was in 1966 at ER and I have been privileged to witness many derby wins. My first being the Bobby Duncan belter in to the roof of the net that gave us a 1-0 win in 1968. Sadly I was also within a few feet of him when John Hughes broke his leg at ER later that same year. Just about on the CentreLine where my older brother and I stood at every game. (Hence my title on this board). I was lucky to enjoy the run of something like 21 games when hahahahearts managed only one win against us and I was lucky to have been there for almost every one of the fantastic European nights we enjoyed in that great period.

Now let’s address the perceived issue here. Is it reasonable for people not to want to see our closest rivals turned to dust? I certainly do not. I am a Hibs supporter and a Scottish football fan. Or at least I was until what took place in the summer time revealed the depth of corruption and bias in our game.

I was lucky to spend my formative years on the terraces of ER and other grounds in Scotland in an era when people could behave sufficiently well not to have to be corralled in to separate parts of a ground. I enjoy the game for the sport it is and see no reason to HATE another team or its supporters just because I do not support their choice of team. I actually realised that you can’t have a game unless you have an opponent.

So ask yourself, what exactly does happen to Scottish football if, starting with our greatest rivals, every club we don’t support vanishes?

Rivalry is what makes our game exciting, frustrating, enjoyable, painful and any other emotion you care to add. We are lucky to have close rivals whose presence gives extra meaning to four games a season and to our relative positions at the end of the season. In a system that is loaded in favour of just two clubs, neither of which is Hibs or hahahahearts, that is about as much fun that fans of either club have grown to expect in a season. So I vote that we keep that fun in our lives but still hope that one day the playing field in Scotland will be a level one.

Now all of that (and a whole lot more) just happens to be my opinion. I respect your right to have an opposing opinion. I just happen to think we can have rivalry without hatred. I suspect the poster you had a pop at holds a similar view.

[Keith_M]

As the Poll has caused so much trouble, could we maybe just have it removed?


FWIW, my actual preference wasn't on the list so had to pick something else. There was no choice for 'Hearts get penalised for their overspending by having to live well below their means for ten years then within their means thereafter, with hibs dominating the derby games for at least a decade'.

As that wasn't in the list, I chose 'get relegated to the lower leagues'. However, a lot of other posters that seem to want exactly the same as me arbitrarily chose the 'stay in the SPL' option which, to be fair, is technically nearest to what they'd like to see.

So why the stupid Name and Shame???????????????

[Ozyhibby]

As the Poll has caused so much trouble, could we maybe just have it removed?


FWIW, my actual preference wasn't on the list so had to pick something else. There was no choice for 'Hearts get penalised for their overspending by having to live well below their means for ten years then within their means thereafter, with hibs dominating the derby games for at least a decade'.

As that wasn't in the list, I chose 'get relegated to the lower leagues'. However, a lot of other posters that seem to want exactly the same as me arbitrarily chose the 'stay in the SPL' option which, to be fair, is technically nearest to what they'd like to see.

So why the stupid Name and Shame???????????????

Was wondering what that list of names was. Stupid idea. Polls should be kept private otherwise you start to get a herd mentality in the voting.

[nonshinyfinish]

As the Poll has caused so much trouble, could we maybe just have it removed?


FWIW, my actual preference wasn't on the list so had to pick something else. There was no choice for 'Hearts get penalised for their overspending by having to live well below their means for ten years then within their means thereafter, with hibs dominating the derby games for at least a decade'.

As that wasn't in the list, I chose 'get relegated to the lower leagues'. However, a lot of other posters that seem to want exactly the same as me arbitrarily chose the 'stay in the SPL' option which, to be fair, is technically nearest to what they'd like to see.

So why the stupid Name and Shame???????????????

I assumed the original 'name and shame' was tongue-in-cheek.

Although if anyone is genuinely having a go at another Hibby because they don't share their preference for the Yams' fate, then that is fairly moronic.

[Keith_M]

I assumed the original 'name and shame' was tongue-in-cheek.

Although if anyone is genuinely having a go at another Hibby because they don't share their preference for the Yams' fate, then that is fairly moronic.


It may be that is was meant that way but it's certainly not how it's turned out.

[CentreLine]

It may be that is was meant that way but it's certainly not how it's turned out.

It is certainly clear that Hibs.net does not operate much of a confidentiality policy. Could we see names and addresses next? After all, "the fans will have a right to know" who does not agree with their views. :greengrin

Personally I think that the publication of this list was irresponsible and damaging to the continuation of open coment on this board. The Admin appear to have taken their eye off the ball.

Secondly, this is supposed to be a thread about the meltdown of hahahahearts not the meltdown of Hibs.net. This subject should be removed from this thread all together. If we must have the discussion then it should have its own thread. Ideally, it should not have happened at all

Petire!!!!!! Get it sorted

[triciacapri]

As the Poll has caused so much trouble, could we maybe just have it removed?


FWIW, my actual preference wasn't on the list so had to pick something else. There was no choice for 'Hearts get penalised for their overspending by having to live well below their means for ten years then within their means thereafter, with hibs dominating the derby games for at least a decade'.

As that wasn't in the list, I chose 'get relegated to the lower leagues'. However, a lot of other posters that seem to want exactly the same as me arbitrarily chose the 'stay in the SPL' option which, to be fair, is technically nearest to what they'd like to see.

So why the stupid Name and Shame???????????????

For what its worth I think that most Hibees voting for the death of our Jambo friends have probably been supporting Hibs from the eighties onwards, ( Which sad to say they have mostly dominated the fixture) Guys like myself who supported Hibs during the seventies know what its like to own them, I want myself ,son and grandsons to experience that again, I think that would cause them far more pain than liquidation, They would only start up again as per The Huns where a slow painful demise is my choice for their fate

[Ozyhibby]

For what its worth I think that most Hibees voting for the death of our Jambo friends have probably been supporting Hibs from the eighties onwards, ( Which sad to say they have mostly dominated the fixture) Guys like myself who supported Hibs during the seventies know what its like to own them, I want myself ,son and grandsons to experience that again, I think that would cause them far more pain than liquidation, They would only start up again as per The Huns where a slow painful demise is my choice for their fate

I imagine they would try to set up again but I doubt it will be at Tynecastle. They will be a third division club renting a stadium (probably Murrayfield at about £1m per annum) and struggling to make ends meet and unable to fund an academy programme. Any attempt to buy land and build a new stadium will saddle them with levels of debt that will cripple them for years.
That a best case scenario for them. Worst case they don't get going at all.
Happy Days.

[Bostonhibby]

For what its worth I think that most Hibees voting for the death of our Jambo friends have probably been supporting Hibs from the eighties onwards, ( Which sad to say they have mostly dominated the fixture) Guys like myself who supported Hibs during the seventies know what its like to own them, I want myself ,son and grandsons to experience that again, I think that would cause them far more pain than liquidation, They would only start up again as per The Huns where a slow painful demise is my choice for their fate

Hear what you say, but I am certainly a 70's Hibby and want the version of Hearts that they have morphed into recently disappear without trace, I am talking about the version that has emerged from the period leading up to then during the Great Leaders era. They have no shame, and a vile arrogance that they never have been able to see has been built on a mix of their gullibility and dodgy money and dealings.

There are decent yam fans I am sure but the culture that did exist between the 2 clubs in the 70's is gone, its now a bit more toxic than it was then and I see a lot of it flowing from the "belief" they had in the myth and once they swallowed the Champions League winners / megasuperstadium crap they really thought they could say and do what they liked - fast forward to today...................I think the majority of their fans who signed up to this and did nothing but keep believing deserve to see the whole mess disappear down the plug hole.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Hear what you say, but I am certainly a 70's Hibby and want the version of Hearts that they have morphed into recently disappear without trace, I am talking about the version that has emerged from the period leading up to then during the Great Leaders era. They have no shame, and a vile arrogance that they never have been able to see has been built on a mix of their gullibility and dodgy money and dealings.

There are decent yam fans I am sure but the culture that did exist between the 2 clubs in the 70's is gone, its now a bit more toxic than it was then and I see a lot of it flowing from the "belief" they had in the myth and once they swallowed the Champions League winners / megasuperstadium crap they really thought they could say and do what they liked - fast forward to today...................I think the majority of their fans who signed up to this and did nothing but keep believing deserve to see the whole mess disappear down the plug hole.


:top marks

[blackpoolhibs]

I have been going to easter road since the middle 60s, and what that club has become has made me want them wiped off the face of the earth.

Now i dont know about their being some decent jambos out there, i dont know many of that breed, but their arrogance when they wanted to shut us down, and their big team attitude since agent vlad arrived, has certainly made it clear cut for me.

I want each and every gimp to suffer, i want their hearts broken and i want the pain to last a very long time.

Tick tock Johnny jambo, tick tock. :flag:

[Hibrandenburg]

I have been going to easter road since the middle 60s, and what that club has become has made me want them wiped off the face of the earth.

Now i dont know about their being some decent jambos out there, i dont know many of that breed, but their arrogance when they wanted to shut us down, and their big team attitude since agent vlad arrived, has certainly made it clear cut for me.

I want each and every gimp to suffer, i want their hearts broken and i want the pain to last a very long time.

Tick tock Johnny jambo, tick tock. :flag:
This and the fact I want to take my boy down Gorgie and show him what happens to billy bigbaws when they get too ****ing cocky.

[Chibs]

I assumed the original 'name and shame' was tongue-in-cheek.

Although if anyone is genuinely having a go at another Hibby because they don't share their preference for the Yams' fate, then that is fairly moronic.
It was a joke and in hindsight a bad one.

[Geo_1875]

For what its worth I think that most Hibees voting for the death of our Jambo friends have probably been supporting Hibs from the eighties onwards, ( Which sad to say they have mostly dominated the fixture) Guys like myself who supported Hibs during the seventies know what its like to own them, I want myself ,son and grandsons to experience that again, I think that would cause them far more pain than liquidation, They would only start up again as per The Huns where a slow painful demise is my choice for their fate

I've supported Hibs since the 60s and remember when we beat them for fun. However, even then they still managed to win the occasional game by kicking anyone and everyone. Horrible ***** then and horrible ***** now. They can't die soon enough for me.

[Jim44]

I've supported Hibs since the 60s and remember when we beat them for fun. However, even then they still managed to win the occasional game by kicking anyone and everyone. Horrible ***** then and horrible ***** now. They can't die soon enough for me.

Ditto. I've been supporting Hibs since the 50's and wouldn't bat an eyelid if they sank without trace tomorrow. With the exception of a handful of Jambo acquaintences, (I've even got reservations about them) I find the lot of them obnoxious.

[MrSmith]

My old man took me in 71' to see Hibs play Celtic at ER. Loved them since and was the start of many, many games ... However, I would hate to see them (jumbos) disappear because the derby is unbeatable in my view and we, as Hibs supporters, would miss it dreadfully. But, the way they have been acting and lording it up over us these past few years ... they can gtf!

Years of abject misery ahead for them me thinks, hence my don't care about them choice!!!!

[greenginger]

U E F A. starting to flex the muscles with Financial Fair Play rules.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20816763

[BroxburnHibee]

U E F A. starting to flex the muscles with Financial Fair Play rules.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20816763

5 other clubs on the list - how are they not on it?????????????

[shagpile]

5 other clubs on the list - how are they not on it?????????????

They're not a real club?

[ScottB]

5 other clubs on the list - how are they not on it?????????????

Looks like it's based on owing money to other clubs for these 6. Hearts don't owe major money to any other teams, assuming they settled that Beslija nonsense.

Doubt UEFA would be overly interested if they are still ducking Arbroath or Nitton Star for pitch rental...

[lapsedhibee]

I've supported Hibs since the 60s and remember when we beat them for fun. However, even then they still managed to win the occasional game by kicking anyone and everyone.
:agree: In a single word: Arthur Thomson

[Leithenhibby]

Looks like it's based on owing money to other clubs for these 6. Hearts don't owe major money to any other teams, assuming they settled that Beslija nonsense.

Doubt UEFA would be overly interested if they are still ducking Arbroath or Nitton Star for pitch rental...

They could easily be on this list IMO, as it's not just monies due to other clubs..........

"payments to other teams, staff and tax authorities". That will be "them" then... :wink:

[Part/Time Supporter]

Instead of moaning about it on here, why not email someone at UEFA and ask why there is this apparent inconsistency?

[Leithenhibby]

Instead of moaning about it on here, why not email someone at UEFA and ask why there is this apparent inconsistency?

That's a good shout, but who will get the ball rolling :wink:

[Part/Time Supporter]

There's a very good letter in the Scotsman today from a Dundee United fan that's got a few Yam biters.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/sports-letters-glad-romanov-s-interest-in-united-was-brief-1-2705620


YOUR sports letters page last Monday (17 December) was filled with the ire of Hearts fans who seem not to understand why supporters of other clubs have little sympathy for their financial plight.

They appear to take the view that running the club well beyond its means until the inevitable implosion (which has reduced them to begging fans to keep them running day to day) has been a price worth paying for the trophies won. Douglas Turner writes that “bigger, better supported clubs have always paid more for players.” The point he overlooks is that Hearts have offered better salaries to players but they have regularly been unable to pay them on time. As a Dundee United supporter I would love to have seen Andy Webster retained, but he opted for a supposedly better deal at Tynecastle. Would he have been so happy to return there had he known that his deal would involve regularly finding his wages unpaid for weeks.

This is what sticks in the throat of other clubs’ fans – that our clubs have battled to maintain their debts at a manageable level over a number of years and have thus been restricted to a tight player budget, while Hearts have ridden roughshod over such considerations and now have the audacity to bleat about the dismal financial situation they find themselves in. The meek acceptance by both players and fans of the way custodians of their club have run matters at Tynecastle has long been a source of bewilderment to the rest of us. To see the mess Hearts are in now reminds me how glad I am that Vladimir Romanov’s interest in Dundee United went no further than it did. We may live hand to mouth as a club but our integrity is intact, not to mention a trophy-winning record superior to Hearts’ over the last 30 years!

MARTIN TURNER

Keptie Street

Arbroath

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

There's a very good letter in the Scotsman today from a Dundee United fan that's got a few Yam biters.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/sports-letters-glad-romanov-s-interest-in-united-was-brief-1-2705620

I think in general most fans of other teams now realise that their arrogant front is nothing short of hilarious in these troubled times for them, you only have to read the comments from these deluded erse wipes in The Scotsman football forum, it's like they are living on another planet with an abundance of illegal chemical substances, they're demise is coming soon...real soon


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[Mr White]

I think in general most fans of other teams now realise that their arrogant front is nothing short of hilarious in these troubled times for them, you only have to read the comments from these deluded erse wipes in The Scotsman football forum, it's like they are living on another planet with an abundance of illegal chemical substances, they're demise is coming soon...real soon


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:agree: a unique blend of the mentally ill and the unemployable.

[Treadstone]

:agree: In a single word: Arthur Thomson

That's two words.

[Famous5forever]

wait till january and the mass exodus oh their players they have no money and we will beat them to make them suffer the pain :hibees:pfgwa

[CropleyWasGod]

wait till january and the mass exodus oh their players they have no money and we will beat them to make them suffer the pain :hibees:pfgwa

I think you might be disappointed if you're looking for a mass exodus. Some will go, sure, but if the signing embargo is continued then they can't let any more than a few go. Factor into that the unwillingness of higher earners to move on.


That's two words.

Hobonomics. Not relevant. :wink:

[Funkydunc]

:agree: a unique blend of the mentally ill and the unemployable.

Haha, very good!:top marks

[Jim44]

I think you might be disappointed if you're looking for a mass exodus. Some will go, sure, but if the signing embargo is continued then they can't let any more than a few go. Factor into that the unwillingness of higher earners to move on.

They'll probably see it out till the end of the season on a hand to mouth exisistence and without the loss of any of their better players. The only thing that might upset the applecart is if there are further problems with Romanov's banking businesses. The stigma and embarassment of their out of control management is water off a duck's back to their supporters and players and, despite being a constant source of amusement for us, it doesn't look like dragging them under in the immediate future.

[Ozyhibby]

I think you might be disappointed if you're looking for a mass exodus. Some will go, sure, but if the signing embargo is continued then they can't let any more than a few go. Factor into that the unwillingness of higher earners to move on.

I'm hoping there is not a mass exodus. They really need it. I'm hoping the player hang on to their over inflated salaries as long as possible.
Unless money arrives from Lithuania they won't make it to the end of the season. In fact I doubt they will be able to make January wages.

[The Green Goblin]

There's a very good letter in the Scotsman today from a Dundee United fan that's got a few Yam biters.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/sports-letters-glad-romanov-s-interest-in-united-was-brief-1-2705620

That's a brilliant, BRILLIANT letter!! :greengrin

[greenginger]

I think you might be disappointed if you're looking for a mass exodus. Some will go, sure, but if the signing embargo is continued then they can't let any more than a few go. Factor into that the unwillingness of higher earners to move on.


Unless their auditors, Johnston Carmichael, start to play hard-ball and tell them their accounts will not be signed off unless they show a clear business plan for elimination of their structural deficit.

Let the Accountants select the squad and pick the team !:greengrin

[Famous5forever]

They'll probably see it out till the end of the season on a hand to mouth exisistence and without the loss of any of their better players. The only thing that might upset the applecart is if there are further problems with Romanov's banking businesses. The stigma and embarassment of their out of control management is water off a duck's back to their supporters and players and, despite being a constant source of amusement for us, it doesn't look like dragging them under in the immediate future.

Baws no the news i wanted to hear still we have this over them and despite the water off a ducks back thing you say i still reckon they are hurting if we keep chucking the muck something will stick their has been good work so far on this thread we know they did not pay their water rates and good info from various accountants on there impending doom.
Plus they have to pay january wages will they have the money for this and the other bills etc that are due i suspect not.

[brog]

They'll probably see it out till the end of the season on a hand to mouth exisistence and without the loss of any of their better players. The only thing that might upset the applecart is if there are further problems with Romanov's banking businesses. The stigma and embarassment of their out of control management is water off a duck's back to their supporters and players and, despite being a constant source of amusement for us, it doesn't look like dragging them under in the immediate future.

I doubt that very much. There's a bit of a paradox in that Yams highest earners, say Zaliog, Webster, Sutton, Driver, Barr are probably not now their most marketable assets. I think guys that will be most in demand are the McGowans, Patterson, Novikovas & other younger players. These guys will not be on big wages so are more likely to be happy to move. Vlad will take any money he can get asap but the more senior ( not necessarily better ) players mentioned above may sit it out until contracts expire. I predict they'll lose ( at least ) 4 or 5 in Jan & double figures by end of season.

[CropleyWasGod]

I doubt that very much. There's a bit of a paradox in that Yams highest earners, say Zaliog, Webster, Sutton, Driver, Barr are probably not now their most marketable assets. I think guys that will be most in demand are the McGowans, Patterson, Novikovas & other younger players. These guys will not be on big wages so are more likely to be happy to move. Vlad will take any money he can get asap but the more senior ( not necessarily better ) players mentioned above may sit it out until contracts expire. I predict they'll lose ( at least ) 4 or 5 in Jan & double figures by end of season.

From reports on here, Novikovas has signed a pre-contract with Lech Poznan. Hearts might prefer to unload him now, for a fee, but he doesn't have to go and Lech don't have to take him; it might take some sort of inducement to make it happen.


Unless their auditors, Johnston Carmichael, start to play hard-ball and tell them their accounts will not be signed off unless they show a clear business plan for elimination of their structural deficit.

Let the Accountants select the squad and pick the team !:greengrin

TBH, the auditor's report has been pretty horrible for years now, and I don't see that changing. Cav will be along to quote the exact wording, but it has been along the lines of "we cannot ascertain whether the company is a going concern, as we were unable to obtain assurances to that effect from the parent company". Now that Romanov has stated that he won't support them financially, the AR will be even more critical. I can't see that HMFC can do anything about it.

[Famous5forever]

TBH, the auditor's report has been pretty horrible for years now, and I don't see that changing. Cav will be along to quote the exact wording, but it has been along the lines of "we cannot ascertain whether the company is a going concern, as we were unable to obtain assurances to that effect from the parent company". Now that Romanov has stated that he won't support them financially, the AR will be even more critical. I can't see that HMFC can do anything about it.

But the parent company is bust ukio their shares are worth buttons and they do not have credit rating or something to do with ther finances in a mess its all been posted on here already this is good news.

[CropleyWasGod]

But the parent company is bust ukio their shares are worth buttons and they do not have credit rating or something to do with ther finances in a mess its all been posted on here already this is good news.

All of which will inform the auditor's opinion.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

You've got to laugh at the over reaction to the name and shame post, a lot of emotional upset about nothing.

[Famous5forever]

All of which will inform the auditor's opinion.

just trying to get ma heid round ah this but if it can be proved they are running a company and are insolvent and it can be proved to these audit people does that mean they get shut doon ?

[CropleyWasGod]

just trying to get ma heid round ah this but if it can be proved they are running a company and are insolvent and it can be proved to these audit people does that mean they get shut doon ?

Not as simple as that, sadly. Indeed, it would be a horrible world if auditors had that much power. :greengrin

In Hearts' case, the auditor's report is largely irrelevant, at least in a commercial sense. Poor audit reports can lead to overdrafts and loans being called in.... but, given the nature of HMFC's relationship with their holding company and banker, that won't happen just because the AR is bad.

The loans might get called in because of other factors... UBIG's problems, for example, or UKIO's recent merger. In addition, it doesn't need an auditor to tell anybody who matters that HMFC have severe cash-flow problems. So suppliers and other creditors are already taking appropriate action, irrespective of what the audit opinion is.

As has been said often on this thread, it's all about cash now.

[CentreLine]

You've got to laugh at the over reaction to the name and shame post, a lot of emotional upset about nothing.

Quite right, couldn't agree more. Ally McCoists demand to have people named was a real rib tickler too. :faf:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Quite right, couldn't agree more. Ally McCoists demand to have people named was a real rib tickler too. :faf:

Are you seriously making a comparison with the two situations? Made up names on a messageboard and peoples real names from a tribunal? Really?

[lapsedhibee]

:agree: In a single word: Arthur Thomson


That's two words.

Did I say word? I meant cell.

[Famous Fiver]

Arthur Thomson played for both Hearts AND Hibs and was a thoroughly nice guy despite his on field reputation.

[lapsedhibee]

Arthur Thomson played for both Hearts AND Hibs and was a thoroughly nice guy despite his on field reputation.

When did he play for Hibs? :confused:

He may well have been nicer off the field than on. He may well have been nice to his team mates on the field. He regularly kicked lumps out of Hibs players in derbies.

[Tom Hart RIP]

I knew Big Arthur well but don't think he ever played for us.
I've enjoyed a few pints in his company over the years. Good guy who lived life to the full.Hard as nails and a dirty big B** on the pitch.
In the cup final in 1968 he captained Hearts and in the first minute injured Alex Edwards with a 'crunching' tackle. Micky limped for the rest of the game. The Pars won 3-1
thankfully. Sadly Arthur died a few years ago whilst still a relatively young man. RIP

[Famous5forever]

Not as simple as that, sadly. Indeed, it would be a horrible world if auditors had that much power. :greengrin

In Hearts' case, the auditor's report is largely irrelevant, at least in a commercial sense. Poor audit reports can lead to overdrafts and loans being called in.... but, given the nature of HMFC's relationship with their holding company and banker, that won't happen just because the AR is bad.

The loans might get called in because of other factors... UBIG's problems, for example, or UKIO's recent merger. In addition, it doesn't need an auditor to tell anybody who matters that HMFC have severe cash-flow problems. So suppliers and other creditors are already taking appropriate action, irrespective of what the audit opinion is.

As has been said often on this thread, it's all about cash now.

Baws no the answer i was hoping fur lets make sure we keep our noses ahead of them in the league a few of them i work with are seething about that and i have been knocking them about their impeding closure ( but they are in denial about that )

if they cannae pay the players wages in January i hope they go on strike and refuse to play then they would be shut down fur good.:flag:

[cocopops1875]

I am struggling with this one...through a Boxing Day haze. My maths says that it couldn't happen in this window, but am I right?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-ace-david-templeton-urges-1505407

It seems that they will sign people on Pre-Contract in january then employ them as full blown Huns on sept 2nd as they are free agents and the embargo is over

[Hibee87]

Rangers are banned from registering players till Sep. I do wonder this though, could they pay to buy a player in the summer and not play him then come Sep register him? If so which I believe is possible its a bigger farce than I thought (not surprised really)

[I'm_cabbaged]

Arthur Thomson played for both Hearts AND Hibs and was a thoroughly nice guy despite his on field reputation.

The same Arthur Thompson who joined the polis?
Sorry, but ha!

[CallumLaidlaw]

Rangers are banned from registering players till Sep. I do wonder this though, could they pay to buy a player in the summer and not play him then come Sep register him? If so which I believe is possible its a bigger farce than I thought (not surprised really)

Does the players registration from one club to another not have to be done by the end of transfer deadline day? Hopefully that is the case

[lord bunberry]

Does the players registration from one club to another not have to be done by the end of transfer deadline day? Hopefully that is the case

I think they can sign players who are free agents but they wouldn't be able to register them until September

[CropleyWasGod]

It seems that they will sign people on Pre-Contract in january then employ them as full blown Huns on sept 2nd as they are free agents and the embargo is over

This is where I am struggling.

A pre-contract can be signed any time in the last 6 months of a player's contract. Therefore McGowan can do that between now-ish and June.

If I understand the rules, he is thus committed to signing for the new club at the end of his current contract.

Which can't be Rangers, as they can't sign players until September.

[Ozyhibby]

This is where I am struggling.

A pre-contract can be signed any time in the last 6 months of a player's contract. Therefore McGowan can do that between now-ish and June.

If I understand the rules, he is thus committed to signing for the new club at the end of his current contract.

Which can't be Rangers, as they can't sign players until September.

He doesn't need to sign a pre contract. He can just let his current one run down in June and become a free agent and wait till sept to sign for Sevco.

[CropleyWasGod]

He doesn't need to sign a pre contract. He can just let his current one run down in June and become a free agent and wait till sept to sign for Sevco.

I realise that. But I was answering the previous poster who was suggesting that RFC can sign players on pre-contracts in January.

They can't, can they?

[cocopops1875]

This is where I am struggling.

A pre-contract can be signed any time in the last 6 months of a player's contract. Therefore McGowan can do that between now-ish and June.

If I understand the rules, he is thus committed to signing for the new club at the end of his current contract.

Which can't be Rangers, as they can't sign players until September.

Pretty sure that Pre-Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on (FROM WHAT I HAVE READ) and they can be dissolved which means whats the point :greengrin but lets take it that they mean something, The Hearts welt is simply committing to not sign for anyone else so he will be a free agent come sept 2nd. Its a Farce as they have pretty much only been unable to sign players in this upcoming transfer window. AND THE HUNS THINK THEY HAVE BEEN HARD DONE BY:confused:

[aljo7-0]

He doesn't need to sign a pre contract. He can just let his current one run down in June and become a free agent and wait till sept to sign for Sevco.
Then he wouldn't get paid for 3 months and would need to rely on Sevco's "word" to get a contract as he would not have a pre-contract. Tricky situation for him. If only Sevco could think up a way of setting up an offshore Trust to loan money to prospective players in a totaly non wage type way :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Pretty sure that Pre-Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on (FROM WHAT I HAVE READ) and they can be dissolved which means whats the point :greengrin but lets take it that they mean something, The Hearts welt is simply committing to not sign for anyone else so he will be a free agent come sept 2nd. Its a Farce as they have pretty much only been unable to sign players in this upcoming transfer window. AND THE HUNS THINK THEY HAVE BEEN HARD DONE BY:confused:

He will become a free agent in June, though. Thus a pre-contract would be worthless to RFC. He can sign for anyone he wants in June.

[cocopops1875]

He will become a free agent in June, though. Thus a pre-contract would be worthless to RFC. He can sign for anyone he wants in June.

I get that but thats based on the assumption that a pre contract agreement only lasts 6 months :wink: it can only be signed in your final 6 months under contract but there is no reason it cant be for 8 months down the line (also he will be there on "expenses" from the start of pre season or playing as a trialist maybe

[Sergio sledge]

He will become a free agent in June, though. Thus a pre-contract would be worthless to RFC. He can sign for anyone he wants in June.

I'm sure a club with such integrity and moral fibre would not even contemplate signing players on 3 month 'marketing' roles before handing them a playing contract on September the 1st.

[Ozyhibby]

Sevco getting McGowan is the best possible scenario as they will have no interest in paying a release fee. He will continue to try to draw a wage from the yams until summer if they last that long (they won't).

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Sevco getting McGowan is the best possible scenario as they will have no interest in paying a release fee. He will continue to try to draw a wage from the yams until summer if they last that long (they won't).

seeing any of their "big" players switch to the OF free will be agonising for VR. And doesn't he deserve it.

[greenginger]

Sevco getting McGowan is the best possible scenario as they will have no interest in paying a release fee. He will continue to try to draw a wage from the yams until summer if they last that long (they won't).

I think the Yams would be entitled to a training fee but that would not become payable until he signs. September if its Sevco which does not help their immediate needs.
Maybe Chuckie will do a deal, say 50 % now and call it quits. :greengrin

[Jim44]

Pre contracts may very well be legally non binding but I don't believe for a second that under the table 'incentives' aren't made.

[007 Mickey Weir]

Did I not read that he was going to China or a similar country for 6/9 months. Then maybe the huns?

[cabbagepatchhib]

Did I not read that he was going to China or a similar country for 6/9 months. Then maybe the huns?

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

[Suburban Hibby]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

Seriously Precious?

[greenginger]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.


I agree, I know for a fact Atilla's ancestors are deeply offended to be associated with those gutter dwellers. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

Oh please.

Surely you have better things to do in the school holidays than coming on here spouting pish?

[Bostonhibby]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

:agree: would Nazis, facists or boxheads do?

[monktonharp]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that. hun hun hun, and double hun . awrite?

[LancashireHibby]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

:troll:

[lapsedhibee]

Did I not read that he was going to China or a similar country for 6/9 months. Then maybe the huns?


I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

Totally agree with this. Quite wrong in this day and age to be saying the huns. Since this summer the correct expression is the the huns. :agree:

[SHODAN]

Totally agree with this. Quite wrong in this day and age to be saying the huns. Since this summer the correct expression is the the huns. :agree:

:hahaha:

[Peevemor]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

I agree - the problem is that all of the names that I want to call them are blocked by the automatic censorship filter.

Good first post though. :coffee:

[crash]

Totally agree with this. Quite wrong in this day and age to be saying the huns. Since this summer the correct expression is ]the the huns[/B]. :agree:

very good:not worth

[cocopops1875]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

I find it sad that was your 1st post "eh":wink:

[Jim44]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

It's refreshing to see that there are still politically correct and responsible members on this board















































:fibber:

[jgl07]

i find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

lthf

[VickMackie]

lthf

LTTHF

Shamelessly copied!

[Mikey]

LTTHF

Shamelessly copied!

:tee hee:

[MrSmith]

Nah, I agree with the poster! Huns is a nothing and we are better than that! I would call it straight down the middle: cheating, corrupt, dangerous bigoted, ****bags who are no more! THANKFULLY! :cb

[Bostonhibby]

Nah, I agree with the poster! Huns is a nothing and we are better than that! I would call it straight down the middle: cheating, corrupt, dangerous bigoted, ****bags who are no more! THANKFULLY! :cb

Can I just add that they are / and were Barstewards as well please.

[tamig]

I find it sad that we are still using words like "the huns" we are hibs eh and we are better than that.

not sad at all. new huns, old huns? at the end of the day theyre still huns. what would you call them out of interest? odious creatures.

[Bostonhibby]

not sad at all. new huns, old huns? at the end of the day theyre still huns. what would you call them out of interest? odious creatures.

Interesting question, The now defunct Glasgow Rangers fans used to sing songs where they called themselves Teddy Bears and Billy Boys. So maybe these inoffensive wee names would be acceptable to the OP, assuming the now defunct club hasn't copyrighted them:wink:

[matty_f]

The the huns have their own thread, can we not stick to the tramps on this one? :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

The the huns have their own thread, can we not stick to the tramps on this one? :greengrin

cabbagepatchhib

:grr: he started it :greengrin

[greenginger]

The the huns have their own thread, can we not stick to the tramps on this one? :greengrin


Right, to get back to matters Yam, was it ever discussed/ dismissed/ otherwise discounted in the past hundred odd pages if the Hearts admission to cooking their tax books by claiming players were on loan from Lithland could have lead to any of their players being improperly registered as per the Dead Rangers SPL inquiry.

In other words was every pound ,euro or Litas paid to the players recorded on the playing contracts ?

[CropleyWasGod]

Right, to get back to matters Yam, was it ever discussed/ dismissed/ otherwise discounted in the past hundred odd pages if the Hearts admission to cooking their tax books by claiming players were on loan from Lithland could have lead to any of their players being improperly registered as per the Dead Rangers SPL inquiry.

In other words was every pound ,euro or Litas paid to the players recorded on the playing contracts ?

It has been discussed a few times.

Without inside knowledge..... cough...a deep throated one at that.... cough.... :greengrin all we ever had was conjecture. Indeed, the only public discussion was from HMFC, who mentioned the loaned players. They didn't go into much detail, so the enquiry could have been about any number of issues.

However, if it is about the loaned players, I can't see that the double-contract issues would apply. The players' contracts wouldn't be lodged with the SFA, but in the country of the loaning club.

[monktonharp]

Right, to get back to matters Yam, was it ever discussed/ dismissed/ otherwise discounted in the past hundred odd pages if the Hearts admission to cooking their tax books by claiming players were on loan from Lithland could have lead to any of their players being improperly registered as per the Dead Rangers SPL inquiry.

I'm sure that the SPL Board have thoroughly investigated these matters, in conjunction with the Scottish Football governing body. everything must be above board:rolleyes:




In other words was every pound ,euro or Litas paid to the players recorded on the playing contracts ? hmrc would not let hmfc off with a penny. that's like saying they would allow some kind of part payment system eg; pay some now, pay some in the future.:rolleyes:

[cocopops1875]

hmrc would not let hmfc off with a penny. that's like saying they would allow some kind of part payment system eg; pay some now, pay some in the future.:rolleyes:

As someone who pays Taxes is it not right that HMRC get the money ? even if it takes 3 years ? rather than say "gies £1.75 Mil noo" to which HMFC would say ? aye you guessed it "em naw we're bust KEN pick the scraps out whats left" :agree:

[nonshinyfinish]

As someone who pays Taxes is it not right that HMRC get the money ? even if it takes 3 years ? rather than say "gies £1.75 Mil noo" to which HMFC would say ? aye you guessed it "em naw we're bust KEN pick the scraps out whats left" :agree:

As a taxpayer, I agree.

However, as a Hibby, I think it would have been worth the Revenue taking a wee financial hit and putting Yamco in the ground...

...and I've been a Hibby longer than I've been a taxpayer.

[Just Alf]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20851674

this is about Blackburn.... but could easily be a future Yam story...... IF they survive of course :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

Unless their auditors, Johnston Carmichael, start to play hard-ball and tell them their accounts will not be signed off unless they show a clear business plan for elimination of their structural deficit.

Let the Accountants select the squad and pick the team !:greengrin


TBH, the auditor's report has been pretty horrible for years now, and I don't see that changing. Cav will be along to quote the exact wording, but it has been along the lines of "we cannot ascertain whether the company is a going concern, as we were unable to obtain assurances to that effect from the parent company". Now that Romanov has stated that he won't support them financially, the AR will be even more critical. I can't see that HMFC can do anything about it.

A bit late on this one due to being in the Lincolnshire mountains for Christmas.

It's not really a case of the auditors playing hard-ball - HoMFC are their clients and they will do all they can to minimise the effects of their audit report. They do have to cover their own erses though, if they give an audit report that doesn't stand up to scrutiny they stand to be sued for losses, which means....

Annual accounts are always prepared on a going concern basis and auditors take great care to ensure that the client is a going concern - i.e. capable of continuing in business for the foreseeable future. If the client is not a going concern, in theory the auditor would give a disagreement audit opinion - the accounts do not show a true and fair view - together with a summary of what the accounts should show. In practice they would simply not give an audit opinion because a) that summary would effectively mean carrying out a dummy liquidation; b) they would be incurring costs that the client would not be able to pay and c) there are numerous legal ramification attached to giving such an opinion.

The auditor's problem here is that HoMFC have publicly stated that they cannot continue in business unless they raise a significant amount of cash from an as yet unidentified source, therefore they are not a going concern. IMO as things stand HoMFC do not have a hope in hell of getting any sort of audit report signed.

[EuanH78]

A bit late on this one due to being in the Lincolnshire mountains for Christmas.

It's not really a case of the auditors playing hard-ball - HoMFC are their clients and they will do all they can to minimise the effects of their audit report. They do have to cover their own erses though, if they give an audit report that doesn't stand up to scrutiny they stand to be sued for losses, which means....

Annual accounts are always prepared on a going concern basis and auditors take great care to ensure that the client is a going concern - i.e. capable of continuing in business for the foreseeable future. If the client is not a going concern, in theory the auditor would give a disagreement audit opinion - the accounts do not show a true and fair view - together with a summary of what the accounts should show. In practice they would simply not give an audit opinion because a) that summary would effectively mean carrying out a dummy liquidation; b) they would be incurring costs that the client would not be able to pay and c) there are numerous legal ramification attached to giving such an opinion.

The auditor's problem here is that HoMFC have publicly stated that they cannot continue in business unless they raise a significant amount of cash from an as yet unidentified source, therefore they are not a going concern. IMO as things stand HoMFC do not have a hope in hell of getting any sort of audit report signed.

So, qwestion next? what happens if they can not get their accounts audited?

[CropleyWasGod]

So, qwestion next? what happens if they can not get their accounts audited?

1. They won't (or shouldn't) get an SFA licence for next season. The same scenario happened at the start of this season (ie the accounts had not been lodged) , but I am guessing that the SFA took a lenient stance as it was the first year of the new regime.

2. Companies House will fine them for non-submission, and will continue to do so. There will then come a point where CH will threaten to strike them off.

[Famous5forever]

1. They won't (or shouldn't) get an SFA licence for next season. The same scenario happened at the start of this season (ie the accounts had not been lodged) , but I am guessing that the SFA took a lenient stance as it was the first year of the new regime.

2. Companies House will fine them for non-submission, and will continue to do so. There will then come a point where CH will threaten to strike them off. this is a new development and sounds like it's the end for them @

[CropleyWasGod]

this is a new development and sounds like it's the end for them @

It's not really a new development. They have sailed close to the wind with the SFA and CH before, and muddled through. It will be more difficult than before, for sure, but it's still not as serious as the real problem, which is lack of cash.

[greenginger]

A bit late on this one due to being in the Lincolnshire mountains for Christmas.

It's not really a case of the auditors playing hard-ball - HoMFC are their clients and they will do all they can to minimise the effects of their audit report. They do have to cover their own erses though, if they give an audit report that doesn't stand up to scrutiny they stand to be sued for losses, which means....

Annual accounts are always prepared on a going concern basis and auditors take great care to ensure that the client is a going concern - i.e. capable of continuing in business for the foreseeable future. If the client is not a going concern, in theory the auditor would give a disagreement audit opinion - the accounts do not show a true and fair view - together with a summary of what the accounts should show. In practice they would simply not give an audit opinion because a) that summary would effectively mean carrying out a dummy liquidation; b) they would be incurring costs that the client would not be able to pay and c) there are numerous legal ramification attached to giving such an opinion.

The auditor's problem here is that HoMFC have publicly stated that they cannot continue in business unless they raise a significant amount of cash from an as yet unidentified source, therefore they are not a going concern. IMO as things stand HoMFC do not have a hope in hell of getting any sort of audit report signed.

The 2011 accounts were signed by the auditors in April of this year months after it was announced UBIG/Vlad was no longer going to fund the Club :confused:.My post was related to a discussion of what kind of squad the Yams are likely to have post January window.
The reference to Accountants picking the squad was to suggest an inferno sized fire sale with anybody and everything that costs money is binned if possible, and Fester and football necessities should be disregarded.
Not saying that our resident accounting people on here would not have made a better job of squad selection than some of the managers who have departed E R. in the not too distant past. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

The 2011 accounts were signed by the auditors in April of this year months after it was announced UBIG/Vlad was no longer going to fund the Club :confused:.My post was related to a discussion of what kind of squad the Yams are likely to have post January window.
The reference to Accountants picking the squad was to suggest an inferno sized fire sale with anybody and everything that costs money is binned if possible, and Fester and football necessities should be disregarded.
Not saying that our resident accounting people on here would not have made a better job of squad selection than some of the managers who have departed E R. in the not too distant past. :greengrin

That's not in the Accountants/Auditors power, if that's what you mean.

[greenginger]

That's not in the Accountants/Auditors power, if that's what you mean.


Not instructing individual sales, but suggesting to Yam management that if the Club's ongoing costs were reigned in enormously, it would be easier for the Auditors to painted a slightly less bleak picture of the Yams prospects.


They have started by submitting their Annual Return. Three and a half months late but never mind.


http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//compdetails

[CropleyWasGod]

Not instructing individual sales, but suggesting to Yam management that if the Club's ongoing costs were reigned in enormously, it would be easier for the Auditors to painted a slightly less bleak picture of the Yams prospects.


They have started by submitting their Annual Return. Three and a half months late but never mind.


http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//compdetails

Even if every player was sold, and replaced with amateurs, the auditors could do little better than to say "you're not a going concern."

ps keep an eye on the Annual Return. I see it's not available to view online yet, but there could be some gossip in there.

[Famous5forever]

Even if every player was sold, and replaced with amateurs, the auditors could do little better than to say "you're not a going concern."

ps keep an eye on the Annual Return. I see it's not available to view online yet, but there could be some gossip in there.

Fine work Crops keep us up to date on any further news in any case uncle fester wont be bringing any new players in cause oh the embargo and lack of cash.

[danhibees1875]

Sorry for not keeping fully up to date/totally forgetting the answers but:

What was the signing ban made indefinite for? I was under the impression they'd paid their players, is it just there until they are proven to be 'living within their means'?

What steps do they have to take to get the ban lifted and is this possible/likely for them to do during the January?

Cheers :-)

[greenginger]

Vlad denies players are going to leave ................... his Kaunus basketball Team !

http://www.sportando.net/eng/europe/lithuania/48164/vladimir-romanov-we-never-considered-selling-kaukenas.html


" Perverts are spreading gossip " you have got to love Vlad, what will we do when he is gone ?

[Bostonhibby]

Vlad denies players are going to leave ................... his Kaunus basketball Team !

http://www.sportando.net/eng/europe/lithuania/48164/vladimir-romanov-we-never-considered-selling-kaukenas.html


" Perverts are spreading gossip " you have got to love Vlad, what will we do when he is gone ?

Jeez, what a guy, puts a smile on my face every time. And to be fair on him there's every chance this one is true as there's been a few perverts at his football club, one of them was hiding out in Kaunus so the cross contamination risk is high, maybe we should fire on a letter of support to him on this one?

[ScottB]

Vlad denies players are going to leave ................... his Kaunus basketball Team !

http://www.sportando.net/eng/europe/lithuania/48164/vladimir-romanov-we-never-considered-selling-kaukenas.html


" Perverts are spreading gossip " you have got to love Vlad, what will we do when he is gone ?

Wonder if he's rubbed Craig Thomson up the wrong way then...

[jgl07]

Sorry for not keeping fully up to date/totally forgetting the answers but:

What was the signing ban made indefinite for? I was under the impression they'd paid their players, is it just there until they are proven to be 'living within their means'?

What steps do they have to take to get the ban lifted and is this possible/likely for them to do during the January?

Cheers :-)

They still owe bonuses due from the Scottish Cup win.

So they have not paid up in full.

[#FromTheCapital]

They still owe bonuses due from the Scottish Cup win.

So they have not paid up in full.

I'm sure they paid the Scottish cup bonuses earlier this month but used that as their excuse for not paying this seasons bonuses.

[danhibees1875]

They still owe bonuses due from the Scottish Cup win.

So they have not paid up in full.


I'm sure they paid the Scottish cup bonuses earlier this month but used that as their excuse for not paying this seasons bonuses.

Okay, so something is unpaid somewhere. :aok:

Also, I usually view this thread from my phone - how long has everyone's picture been hector for? :greengrin

[#FromTheCapital]

Okay, so something is unpaid somewhere. :aok:

Also, I usually view this thread from my phone - how long has everyone's picture been hector for? :greengrin

No, there are lots of things unpaid everywhere ;-)

Been like that since things started really going tits up at the pink wonga dome

[danhibees1875]

No, there are lots of things unpaid everywhere ;-)

Been like that since things started really going tits up at the pink wonga dome

:tsk tsk: I'm sure they pay everything on time to everyone....


:faf:

[Caversham Green]

The 2011 accounts were signed by the auditors in April of this year months after it was announced UBIG/Vlad was no longer going to fund the Club :confused:.My post was related to a discussion of what kind of squad the Yams are likely to have post January window.
The reference to Accountants picking the squad was to suggest an inferno sized fire sale with anybody and everything that costs money is binned if possible, and Fester and football necessities should be disregarded.
Not saying that our resident accounting people on here would not have made a better job of squad selection than some of the managers who have departed E R. in the not too distant past. :greengrin

They retracted that announcement with this (http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20120316/hearts-refutes-funding-doubts_2241384_2662311) statement about three weeks before the accounts were signed and almost certainly at the 'request' of the auditors. The statements this year have been more specific and so far they haven't raised nearly enough to see them through the season by their own admission. Shedding players in January and getting to the final of the wee cup might help, but their statements and actions have made the auditor's job very difficult and right now they would not get an audit report signed because the club has stated unequivocally that it is not a going concern.

If they make it through January expect to see a very optimistic statement on their website shortly before their accounts are published.

[greenginger]

Even if every player was sold, and replaced with amateurs, the auditors could do little better than to say "you're not a going concern."

ps keep an eye on the Annual Return. I see it's not available to view online yet, but there could be some gossip in there.


Annual Return now available. No change to directors or share capital or major holdings so what was the delay ?

Guess they rely on their advisors to keep them right in these matters and said advisors are now only doing instructed work and not holding their hands.

[Ozyhibby]

Good news. Andrew Driver reporting in today's Evening News that none of their players want to leave. Given how desperately they need them to leave this can only be a good thing.

[#FromTheCapital]

I see that the lith they had over who many were hailing as their saviour has buggered off back home. What a shame on the fans they even had a wee pet name for him "Rimmy".

This suggests to me that they don't expect to have the embargo lifted any time soon.

[The Green Goblin]

I see that the lith they had over who many were hailing as their saviour has buggered off back home. What a shame on the fans they even had a wee pet name for him "Rimmy".

This suggests to me that they don't expect to have the embargo lifted any time soon.

I think his nickname had more to do with how he liked to spend his Friday and Saturday nights...

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Haha, jambos game in Dingwall postponed......wasted hotel money and the need for a repeat with cash they simply do not have :)


I see that the lith they had over who many were hailing as their saviour has buggered off back home. What a shame on the fans they even had a wee pet name for him "Rimmy".

This suggests to me that they don't expect to have the embargo lifted any time soon.

"Rimmy" ......very HomoFC

[theonlywayisup]

Had a wee look at the Hibs Rumours page - nothing to see that has not been posted on here already (ie Griffiths, Craig etc).

So thought I would see what the Yams are saying on their rumours page. Not surprisingly, it is all about who is leaving rather than who is signing.

27 Dec 2012 18:43:30
Was at the training centre today doing promo work and the chat was that 5 first team players have already signed deals to leave us on January 1st and two others are close to agreeing terms. Wish we could have at least kept them until after the derby!

Reply was: Novikovas, Zal, Webster , Driver R.McGowan, McDonald, Taouil, all going on the 1st Jan 2013

Another reply was: Zal is going Webster is staying know this for a fact.

22 Dec 2012 19:18:23
Novikovas is poised to sign a pre contract with polish outfit lech poznan. It seems they are also going after ojamma from motherwell. The exodus has started.

[hibee_nation]

They might lose some players in January but none before the derby game for sure.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

Sounds a hearts wind up ... Trying to scare us that zalioukas might not be playing :-)

[Emerald]

Had a wee look at the Hibs Rumours page - nothing to see that has not been posted on here already (ie Griffiths, Craig etc).

So thought I would see what the Yams are saying on their rumours page. Not surprisingly, it is all about who is leaving rather than who is signing.

27 Dec 2012 18:43:30
Was at the training centre today doing promo work and the chat was that 5 first team players have already signed deals to leave us on January 1st and two others are close to agreeing terms. Wish we could have at least kept them until after the derby!

Reply was: Novikovas, Zal, Webster , Driver R.McGowan, McDonald, Taouil, all going on the 1st Jan 2013

Another reply was: Zal is going Webster is staying know this for a fact.

22 Dec 2012 19:18:23
Novikovas is poised to sign a pre contract with polish outfit lech poznan. It seems they are also going after ojamma from motherwell. The exodus has started.
If they fell in a barrel of ***** they would come out smelling of roses. They always get away with it!

[Frazerbob]

I hope "Captain Zal" hangs around. He's a total bombscare and worth a goal of a start in the Derby. He's too concerned with giving it the "5-1" that he'll give away a penalty/OG/goal.

[Eyrie]

They might lose some players in January but none before the derby game for sure.

Agreed. After Thursday though it's the winter break, and Hearts will look to move them as soon as possible to reduce their wage bill. Of course, that assumes the players are willing to leave their inflated wages behind and they can find a new club.

[SHODAN]

I hope "Captain Zal" hangs around. He's a total bombscare and worth a goal of a start in the Derby. He's too concerned with giving it the "5-1" that he'll give away a penalty/OG/goal.

Overall he has an excellent record against us. It would be comedy gold if he adds to his catalogue of errors but we stand a better chance if he's not playing.

[Pretty Boy]

On kickback theres a thread talking about when they are going to get round to building a new stand. After a few concede the super structure isn't going to happen, one suggests the build something similar to the East Stand at ER. Considering the fact they have slagged this stand since it was built that's quite amusing, even more amusing when someone points out they can't afford anything resembling the East.

They really still don't seem to get how ****ed they are. Some are even talking about signing players again, 'once the embargo is lifted'. They were told they needed £2M from the share issue, the bake sales didn't raise anywhere near that. The solution: sell and offload players. Then pray.

[s.a.m]

Andy Coyle‏@STV_Andy Hearts placed under new "one out, one in" registration embargo by SPL http://bit.ly/TYKR1U (http://t.co/QNfCFTRn)

Hearts hit with further registration embargo over bonus payments STV 31 December 2012 13:11 GMT

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Hearts have been handed a further registration embargo by the Scottish Premier League over their failure to pay players bonuses and appearance money.
The Tynecastle club has already been placed under signing restrictions by the league over the late payment of wages but at a meeting at Hampden on Monday, further punishment has been handed down.
The existing restriction will be lifted when the SPL is happy that wage payments are up to date and being paid on a timely basis but when that punishment ends a new sanction will take effect.
The SPL announced that although the club will be able to add new signings, specific conditions will be imposed.
New signings will only be permitted on a "one out, one in" basis, no player over the age of 21 will be permitted to be registered and any incoming player must be on a lower employment cost than the departing player.
The restrictions will end any possibility of the club signing 29-year-old Lithuanian striker Arturas Rimkevicius, who had been on trial at the club.

[spike220]

Had a wee look at the Hibs Rumours page - nothing to see that has not been posted on here already (ie Griffiths, Craig etc).

So thought I would see what the Yams are saying on their rumours page. Not surprisingly, it is all about who is leaving rather than who is signing.

27 Dec 2012 18:43:30
Was at the training centre today doing promo work and the chat was that 5 first team players have already signed deals to leave us on January 1st and two others are close to agreeing terms. Wish we could have at least kept them until after the derby!

Reply was: Novikovas, Zal, Webster , Driver R.McGowan, McDonald, Taouil, all going on the 1st Jan 2013

Another reply was: Zal is going Webster is staying know this for a fact.

22 Dec 2012 19:18:23
Novikovas is poised to sign a pre contract with polish outfit lech poznan. It seems they are also going after ojamma from motherwell. The exodus has started.

Most probably a wind up, but not beyond the realms of possibility. Decisions will be made for financial reasons only. They had there day on 19th May and the piper needs to be paid now, no new stand, no marque signings, nobody with any pace, determination or skill will be left in the squad, if they can be sold they will be and if they can get a 17yr old for cheaper they will be punted. They had their big day out, now time to settle the bill. As my ma used to say; you can’t have your cup cake and eat it too!!

[WindyMiller]

Interesting!

:hmmm:

[Www1875hfc]

Mcgowan will play his last game for the puddle drinkers against us on Thursday.Then he's off to China for 9 months.
McDonald aint going anywhere :agree:
The rest is only a matter of time really,cause they are desperate for the cash,and to get them of the wage bill.

[Springbank]

McGowan only goes to china if he's injury free. If he gets crocked their financial situation goes nuclear. Not asking anyone to nail him you understand....

...but if we go 3 up I'd remind Ivan of the headbutt incident last new year then send him on as a subby

[Saorsa]

Tramps

[Hibbyradge]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/208043-hearts-hit-with-further-registration-embargo-over-bonus-payments/

Hearts have been handed a further registration embargo by the Scottish Premier League over their failure to pay players bonuses and appearance money.

The Tynecastle club has already been placed under signing restrictions by the league over the late payment of wages but at a meeting at Hampden on Monday, further punishment has been handed down.

The existing restriction will be lifted when the SPL is happy that wage payments are up to date and being paid on a timely basis but when that punishment ends a new sanction will take effect.

The SPL announced that although the club will be able to add new signings, specific conditions will be imposed.

New signings will only be permitted on a "one out, one in" basis, no player over the age of 21 will be permitted to be registered and any incoming player must be on a lower employment cost than the departing player.

The restrictions will end any possibility of the club signing 29-year-old Lithuanian striker Arturas Rimkevicius, who had been on trial at the club.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!

[Mikey]

When they fail to pay January's wages the only logical punishment available is a points deduction.

[Seveno]

The signing restrictions are to last until the end of the season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

you have to feel for them















NOT :faf::lolyam:

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting!

:hmmm:

I think it's good for them. Financial restrictions that they should have been operating themselves, being imposed from above. It won't affect the big picture, of course, but it might help give them some breathing space.

[Hibbyradge]

The signing restrictions are to last until the end of the season.

That assumes that the "SPL Board is satisfied that the Remuneration Default is no longer ongoing."

A big assumption.

[Mikey]

I think it's good for them. Financial restrictions that they should have been operating themselves, being imposed from above. It won't affect the big picture, of course, but it might help give them some breathing space.

And they get to blame the SPL for imposing it on them, rather than doing it themselves.

Not that they were doing it themselves anyway!!

[danhibees1875]

So even if they do get their emargo lifted they can only bring in under 21s and at a lower wage (which to be fair won't be hard I imagine)...


:lolyam:

[Mikey]

So even if they do get their emargo lifted they can only bring in under 21s and at a lower wage (which to be fair won't be hard I imagine)...


:lolyam:

As CWG says, they're effectively being forced to do what they should have done years ago.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Absolute lollathon!

'SHALL WE SIGN A PLAYER FOR YOU'

[Hibbyradge]

As CWG says, they're effectively being forced to do what they should have done years ago.

Except they're not.

Read the ruling again.

Unless they want to sign under 21 players who are free agents after the window closes, the embargo only affects January because the one in one out rule stops at the end of the season.

It could be business as usual from May.

The SPL have hardly punished them.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

So even if they do get their emargo lifted they can only bring in under 21s and at a lower wage (which to be fair won't be hard I imagine)...


:lolyam:

What I can't understand is why they don't just pay the outstanding bonuses rather than speaking to their lawyers and saying they will challenge the embargo ( although we are still waiting ). They allegedly raised 1.1 mil from the bake sale, 350k for Templeton from the new Huns and the dough from the Hibs game. Or am I being naive and that money has all been trousered ?

[CropleyWasGod]

Retweeted via Irvine Welsh:-

When the signing ban is lifted, Hearts can only sign players whose surnames have a Scrabble value of 6 points and above.

[brog]

I'm still unsure what has compelled the various football authorities to grow a new one with regard to their dealings with Yams. I can guess that perhaps they finally realised they were being taken for a ride, that supposed contract amendments were not worth the paper they weren't written on etc, but I believe there must have been some event which precipitated the current actions. My best guess would be that someone on staff at PBS finally recognised the ba's burst & has provided information re lack of payments. Any other thoughts?
interesting also that Yams supposed legal challenge to the embargo does not appear to have happened. Makes you wonder just how many other malpractices are present in the house of Vlad & Fester!

[Saorsa]

I'm still unsure what has compelled the various football authorities to grow a new one with regard to their dealings with Yams. I can guess that perhaps they finally realised they were being taken for a ride, that supposed contract amendments were not worth the paper they weren't written on etc, but I believe there must have been some event which precipitated the current actions. My best guess would be that someone on staff at PBS finally recognised the ba's burst & has provided information re lack of payments. Any other thoughts?
interesting also that Yams supposed legal challenge to the embargo does not appear to have happened. Makes you wonder just how many other malpractices are present in the house of Vlad & Fester!I'll be convinced when they start docking them points at the next non payment.

[greenginger]

I'm still unsure what has compelled the various football authorities to grow a new one with regard to their dealings with Yams. I can guess that perhaps they finally realised they were being taken for a ride, that supposed contract amendments were not worth the paper they weren't written on etc, but I believe there must have been some event which precipitated the current actions. My best guess would be that someone on staff at PBS finally recognised the ba's burst & has provided information re lack of payments. Any other thoughts?
interesting also that Yams supposed legal challenge to the embargo does not appear to have happened. Makes you wonder just how many other malpractices are present in the house of Vlad & Fester!

Not really, I've yet to hear of any action on Vlad's " Referee Bribes " rant from a couple of months back.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/vladimir-romanov-rants-at-referees-and-claims-he-almost-bought-liverpool-1-2610869

[justlikebrazil]

You think after all the embargoes the Hearts fans will now realise that they are cheating barstewards!!!! :agree:

[Hibbyradge]

I'm still unsure what has compelled the various football authorities to grow a new one with regard to their dealings with Yams. I can guess that perhaps they finally realised they were being taken for a ride, that supposed contract amendments were not worth the paper they weren't written on etc, but I believe there must have been some event which precipitated the current actions. My best guess would be that someone on staff at PBS finally recognised the ba's burst & has provided information re lack of payments. Any other thoughts?
interesting also that Yams supposed legal challenge to the embargo does not appear to have happened. Makes you wonder just how many other malpractices are present in the house of Vlad & Fester!

The SPL could have banned them from signing anyone.

Instead, once they settle the bonus issue, they can sign under 21 players and come the summer, they can sign Rimmy and Skacel if they still want them.

[ano hibby]

Don't see how this is a further ban it seems like a watered down version of current indefinite ban..?
Previously, zero in one out.
Now, one in one out. Albeit with the age & wage restrictions.
This seems to give them more room to breathe than before..?

Am I missing something?

[hibs0666]

Not really, I've yet to hear of any action on Vlad's " Referee Bribes " rant from a couple of months back.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/vladimir-romanov-rants-at-referees-and-claims-he-almost-bought-liverpool-1-2610869

Vlad's not a club official so he can say whatever he likes and will get away with it.

[EskbankHibby]

The SPL could have banned them from signing anyone.

Instead, once they settle the bonus issue, they can sign under 21 players and come the summer, they can sign Rimmy and Skacel if they still want them.

Despite the factually correct information in your post the two jambos i have just spoke to think the SPL are making rules up to penalise them and they are being incredibly hard done by. The architect of all this? Our own Mr Petrie.

Could. Not. Make. It. Up.

[Ozyhibby]

The SPL could have banned them from signing anyone.

Instead, once they settle the bonus issue, they can sign under 21 players and come the summer, they can sign Rimmy and Skacel if they still want them.

They are banned from signing anyone untill they are all up to date with wages. They are already behind on last months and they need to shell out another £350k in 16 days time. The only home game before then is the Derby which was sold out weeks ago so no new income their then.
None of this really matters to them at all compared with their biggest problem which is that they are fast running out of cash. If they can make it to the end of January they are doing well.


Don't see how this is a further ban it seems like a watered down version of current indefinite ban..?
Previously, zero in one out.
Now, one in one out. Albeit with the age & wage restrictions.
This seems to give them more room to breathe than before..?

Am I missing something?

Yes. They can't bring anyone in until they are up to date with all salaries and they are only 16 days away from another pay day.

[Jack Hackett]

Despite the factually correct information in your post the two jambos i have just spoke to think the SPL are making rules up to penalise them and they are being incredibly hard done by. The architect of all this? Our own Mr Petrie.

Could. Not. Make. It. Up.

You can if you're a yam...it's the only straw they have left :greengrin

[greenginger]

Vlad's not a club official so he can say whatever he likes and will get away with it.


I'm sure they changed the rules after Vlad's first rant when they could'nt act, and the Yams have been warned and fined previously for Vlad statements.

[Famous5forever]

well i have just surfaced after our glorious victory over Celtic to this news it does no get any better.

[Springbank]

I urge anyone going to the derby to take your own crisps and mars bars. Don't give them your money at the kiosk

[greenginger]

SRM HEARTS Ltd

ftp://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/image/5e/8d/5a/54/6c/d0/ce/1d/77/11/cb/6d/40/06/bb/a0/blREX+0L0366-122109_1-08303440.pdf

I thought I would have a look at the company that runs the Hearts Shop.

Directors Mr & Mrs Henderson and Mr Alexander. Who are they ?

Turnover just over £ 1 million, with creditors of £160 k at the end of the year of accounts. Corporation Tax of £ 15,759 to pay cos it is a separate company from the Club with its Zillions of losses.

Can't see the point in setting something up just to pay extra Tax ? but its down amongst the creditors so may'be it does not count. :greengrin

Cav / CWG any logic in this set-up ?

[robinp]

Don't see how this is a further ban it seems like a watered down version of current indefinite ban..?
Previously, zero in one out.
Now, one in one out. Albeit with the age & wage restrictions.
This seems to give them more room to breathe than before..?

Am I missing something?

The current ban is in place because they are not paying their players. Once they have got their finances sorted they will be permitted to sign players; fair enough in my opinion. Keep in mind that this new restriction will only come into place when they pay up and the SPL are satisfied they are paying regularly, but it also means that they can't just go out and get Satchel or Rim-me. They will be forced to down size or reduce wages to sign players, again I think this is a good punishment from the SPL.

As funny as it would be, the SPL cannot indefinitely ban them from signing players if the pay up, even we are not stupid enough to expect that?

[greenlex]

Despite the factually correct information in your post the two jambos i have just spoke to think the SPL are making rules up to penalise them and they are being incredibly hard done by. The architect of all this? Our own Mr Petrie.

Could. Not. Make. It. Up.
Is Petrie even anything special in SPL terms? I thought he was an SFA man?

EDIT - The current SPL Board is made up of Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman), Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC), Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen FC) and Michael Johnston (Kilmarnock FC).

From the SPL Website.

[--------]

I urge anyone going to the derby to take your own crisps and mars bars. Don't give them your money at the kiosk


You wouldn't even think of eating or drinking anything that came out of Tynecastle, would you?

A sure source of galloping dysentry, if you ask me. How do you think the shirts get to be that colour?

:jamboak:

[RyeSloan]

So to be clear.

There is a total transfer ban on Hearts until they can provide assurance to the SPL that they are no longer in any deficit in terms of wages, bonuses and any other player remuneration.

Then once (IF!) the SPL have satisfaction that Hearts have paid their outstanding dues there will be an easing of the transfer embargo to allow limited player movement (one in, one out, under 21 etc). This is to remain in place until the end of the Season.

Therefore Hearts are now effectively under a limited transfer embargo (at best) until the end of the season with the specific proviso that they cannot increase their wage bill by £1 even if they can evidence that they are up to date with all remuneration.

Is that correct?

[Ozyhibby]

So to be clear.

There is a total transfer ban on Hearts until they can provide assurance to the SPL that they are no longer in any deficit in terms of wages, bonuses and any other player remuneration.

Then once (IF!) the SPL have satisfaction that Hearts have paid their outstanding dues there will be an easing of the transfer embargo to allow limited player movement (one in, one out, under 21 etc). This is to remain in place until the end of the Season.

Therefore Hearts are now effectively under a limited transfer embargo (at best) until the end of the season with the specific proviso that they cannot increase their wage bill by £1 even if they can evidence that they are up to date with all remuneration.

Is that correct?

That's how I read it.

[Emerald]

So to be clear.

There is a total transfer ban on Hearts until they can provide assurance to the SPL that they are no longer in any deficit in terms of wages, bonuses and any other player remuneration.

Then once (IF!) the SPL have satisfaction that Hearts have paid their outstanding dues there will be an easing of the transfer embargo to allow limited player movement (one in, one out, under 21 etc). This is to remain in place until the end of the Season.

Therefore Hearts are now effectively under a limited transfer embargo (at best) until the end of the season with the specific proviso that they cannot increase their wage bill by £1 even if they can evidence that they are up to date with all remuneration.

Is that correct?

Yes but I also think the current embargo will remain even when they do settle their payment issues The SPL then has to be satisfied that they are paying wages on time for a period (unstated) before they lift the current embargo. Thats how I read it.

[--------]

So to be clear.

There is a total transfer ban on Hearts until they can provide assurance to the SPL that they are no longer in any deficit in terms of wages, bonuses and any other player remuneration.

Then once (IF!) the SPL have satisfaction that Hearts have paid their outstanding dues there will be an easing of the transfer embargo to allow limited player movement (one in, one out, under 21 etc). This is to remain in place until the end of the Season.

Therefore Hearts are now effectively under a limited transfer embargo (at best) until the end of the season with the specific proviso that they cannot increase their wage bill by £1 even if they can evidence that they are up to date with all remuneration.

Is that correct?


This would be how I would read it.

"Hearts will be subject to restrictions in registering players until the summer after being found in breach of Scottish Premier League rules. The club are currently banned from signing players, punishment for late payments to staff. The embargo will continue until the SPL are satisfied the "remuneration default" is no longer ongoing.

However, if the ban is lifted Hearts will only be able to sign under-21 players until the end of the season. Other restrictions would include only being able to sign replacements for players who had departed and such replacements representing a lower "annualised employment cost" than the corresponding departing players."

They can't sign anyone at all right now.

The only possibility being offered them is that IF they sort out the present mess, at best they'll be allowed to sign only U-21 players until the end of the season - and direct replacements only for players who have left, provided the new guys are being paid less than the guys who have gone.

And even this doesn't happen unless they convince the SPL that they've paid all salaries, bonuses and expenses up to date.

[EskbankHibby]

Is Petrie even anything special in SPL terms? I thought he was an SFA man?

EDIT - The current SPL Board is made up of Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman), Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC), Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen FC) and Michael Johnston (Kilmarnock FC).

From the SPL Website.


Makes no difference with jambo logic it would appear. Even if it was a massive conspiracy headed by Petrie, so what? What happened to 'no-one likes us we don't care' mantra, what do they expect? They could resolve all of their problems by paying what they are due.

Absolutely staggering lack of self awareness, the default setting is to blame everyone else instead of a little bit of self analysis and humility.

Rapidly losing any sympathy i had for these sycophantic fuds, so terrfied of Vlad they blame absolutely anything else for their predicament.

[bathhibby]

Does this mean they can't sell their big earner ?
If so this puts a greater financial strain on them
Or havevI missed something ?

[RyeSloan]

Yes but I also think the current embargo will remain even when they do settle their payment issues The SPL then has to be satisfied that they are paying wages on time for a period (unstated) before they lift the current embargo. Thats how I read it.

The SPL statement says:

"if and when the Club satisfies the SPL Board that the Remuneration Default is no longer ongoing"

They do not state that this includes a period of on time payments..it merely states that they require confirmation that there is no outstanding dues (i.e the default in no longer ongoing) therefore I don’t see where the concept of an unstated period of ontime payments arises before they move onto embargo lite....not that it matters too much. Effectivley the SPL are now controlling Hearts transfer policy and they are not allowed to sign any senior players until the end of the season at best (if they get that far!)

[RyeSloan]

This would be how I would read it.

"Hearts will be subject to restrictions in registering players until the summer after being found in breach of Scottish Premier League rules. The club are currently banned from signing players, punishment for late payments to staff. The embargo will continue until the SPL are satisfied the "remuneration default" is no longer ongoing.

However, if the ban is lifted Hearts will only be able to sign under-21 players until the end of the season. Other restrictions would include only being able to sign replacements for players who had departed and such replacements representing a lower "annualised employment cost" than the corresponding departing players."

They can't sign anyone at all right now.

The only possibility being offered them is that IF they sort out the present mess, at best they'll be allowed to sign only U-21 players until the end of the season - and direct replacements only for players who have left, provided the new guys are being paid less than the guys who have gone.

And even this doesn't happen unless they convince the SPL that they've paid all salaries, bonuses and expenses up to date.


And that differs from my summary how? :confused: :greengrin

[Emerald]

The SPL statement says:

"if and when the Club satisfies the SPL Board that the Remuneration Default is no longer ongoing"

They do not state that this includes a period of on time payments..it merely states that they require confirmation that there is no outstanding dues (i.e the default in no longer ongoing) therefore I don’t see where the concept of an unstated period of ontime payments arises before they move onto embargo lite....not that it matters too much. Effectivley the SPL are now controlling Hearts transfer policy and they are not allowed to sign any senior players until the end of the season at best (if they get that far!)

By that I assumed they meant that wages and bonuses would have to be back to getting paid on time. So if they had only got up to date with these payments, I wouldn't have thought that the SPL would be satisfied that it isn't still an ongoing issue. Surely they would have to show that wages were being paid on time for a period too? Thats what I read into it but may be wrong (hope not though). :greengrin

[Famous5forever]

Yes but I also think the current embargo will remain even when they do settle their payment issues The SPL then has to be satisfied that they are paying wages on time for a period (unstated) before they lift the current embargo. Thats how I read it.

They should be made ti show that no only wages are up to date paye vat should also be gettin paid on time evidence oh this should also be provided and what about polis and water rates council tax commercial rates they could be bumpin peter to pay paul just sayin.

[RyeSloan]

By that I assumed they meant that wages and bonuses would have to be back to getting paid on time. So if they had only got up to date with these payments, I wouldn't have thought that the SPL would be satisfied that it isn't still an ongoing issue. Surely they would have to show that wages were being paid on time for a period too? Thats what I read into it but may be wrong (hope not though). :greengrin

Aye it's open to interpretation that's for sure...either way they are stuffed more than a Christmas turkey :agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Except they're not.

Read the ruling again.

Unless they want to sign under 21 players who are free agents after the window closes, the embargo only affects January because the one in one out rule stops at the end of the season.

It could be business as usual from May.

The SPL have hardly punished them.

:agree: This is my concern - if the SFA had just said nothing at all then the original embargo was in place - why was the change neccesary or required? Slip it in over the holiday period and hope no one notices - very happy to be wrong on this one but it feels like another we step towards helping out an establishment side.

The original ban and its terms would have done for the time being, yet out of the blue a wee bit of potentially helpful tinkering emerges - at this rate the SFA and SPL will be building them a megasuperstadium and defaulting them straight into the Champions league as compensation. They never even managed a sentence in support of Hibs or our fans during Wallygate.

[Bostonhibby]

Aye it's open to interpretation that's for sure...either way they are stuffed more than a Christmas turkey :agree:

And there's many a yam who has been doing much worse than a mere stuffing to a Xmas turkey - the RSPCA are bound to have been inundated............

[Famous5forever]

They should have grew a pair and points deducted them.

[Ozyhibby]

:agree: This is my concern - if the SFA had just said nothing at all then the original embargo was in place - why was the change neccesary or required? Slip it in over the holiday period and hope no one notices - very happy to be wrong on this one but it feels like another we step towards helping out an establishment side.

The original ban and its terms would have done for the time being, yet out of the blue a wee bit of potentially helpful tinkering emerges - at this rate the SFA and SPL will be building them a megasuperstadium and defaulting them straight into the Champions league as compensation. They never even managed a sentence in support of Hibs or our fans during Wallygate.

Nothing to do with SFA. The original ban is still in place and will remain so until they are up to date with wages.

[Bostonhibby]

Nothing to do with SFA. The original ban is still in place and will remain so until they are up to date with wages.

:thumbsup: Thanks, getting a bit punch drunk / drunk trying to keep up with who is doing what to help them.............

[s.a.m]

BBCBMcLauchlin‏@BBCBMcLauchlin#Hearts (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23Hearts&src=hash) have agreed a fee with a club in China for defender Ryan McGowan. The player will travel to China later this week to discuss terms

[Danderhall Hibs]

BBCBMcLauchlin‏@BBCBMcLauchlin#Hearts (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23Hearts&src=hash) have agreed a fee with a club in China for defender Ryan McGowan. The player will travel to China later this week to discuss terms

I'm sure I read he never signed for Rangers because he was ambitious? He'll make a few bob over there but will soon become a forgotten man.

[GoldenEagle]

BBCBMcLauchlin‏@BBCBMcLauchlin#Hearts (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23Hearts&src=hash) have agreed a fee with a club in China for defender Ryan McGowan. The player will travel to China later this week to discuss terms

The derby means absolutely everything to Hearts and I'm sure it'll be after the 3rd.

[#FromTheCapital]

BBCBMcLauchlin‏@BBCBMcLauchlin#Hearts (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23Hearts&src=hash) have agreed a fee with a club in China for defender Ryan McGowan. The player will travel to China later this week to discuss terms

The further that wee scrote is away from edinburgh the better. Hopefully it's a bumpy ride for the wee ****

[Danderhall Hibs]

The derby means absolutely everything to Hearts and I'm sure it'll be after the 3rd.

I agree but can they take the chance of an injury to McGowan which wound mean no sale?

[Ozyhibby]

BBCBMcLauchlin‏@BBCBMcLauchlin#Hearts (http://www.hibs.net/search?q=%23Hearts&src=hash) have agreed a fee with a club in China for defender Ryan McGowan. The player will travel to China later this week to discuss terms

Disappointing. Hope the fee was not a big one.