Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[Hibee Ryan]

They do love the saying "we're self sufficient" when will they realise that they aren't even close?

[Treadstone]

Yep. :agree:

The STV guy Jamie Borthwick is a Yam and so his tweets have to be read in that context. It looks like the SPL lawyers are leaning towards UBIG being a group undertaking but are not viewing the listing on the Lith govt website as "notice to enter administration".

So best guess is they won't be relegated but will start next season on -15 (if they last that long).

I follow Jamie on the tweet machine and to be fair to the guy he seems to put his journalistic objectiveness ahead of his affiliations. I will give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his last few tweets.

[#FromTheCapital]

Just wait and see what happens! No point jumping the gun saying they have got away with it!


:agree:


Even if they do avoid points deduction this season, they are ****** anyway. UBIG going under was always going to happen but make no mistake- its terrible news for hearts.

[Sergio sledge]

Then every SPL club should be restructuring their businesses so that the parent company is set up as a distinct and separate entity from the football club. That way, the SPL rules can't bite . Coach, horses and SPL rules. Do they actually pay money to lawyers to set these rules up ?

If Nimmo-Smith is correct then every club is set up this way now. Hibernian Football Club (the club) is a different entity to The Hibernian Football Club Ltd (the company).

[Hibercelona]

Dundee fan on P&B - Hibs and Dundee fans should combine to simultaneously run on the pitch on Saturday and get the game abandoned, this delaying the end of the season.



How brilliant would that be? :faf:

[Leithenhibby]

What ever happens over the next few days, it's a win, win situation.

Part of me wants to have the opportunity to "Do" them in every game possible :aok:

Chill, It's Win, win............ :agree:

[JeMeSouviens]

I follow Jamie on the tweet machine and to be fair to the guy he seems to put his journalistic objectiveness ahead of his affiliations. I will give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his last few tweets.

Yes, I agree.

[EdinMike]

I now have the very few Rangers fans I have on Facebook asking me what I know...

Seems they are as unhappy as us at how long this is taking and the SPL dragging their heels. Of course for different reasons completely :wink:

[sambajustice]

So if they are deducted points, its safe to say that we relegated Hearts!!

At Tynecastle.

We finished them as a club!

[Hibs90]

http://davidyoung.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/27-04-2013-Dundee-v-Hearts/G0000Q0SRk32oO08/I0000YsAO5ZHV9HU



:faf :faf:

[Sir David Gray]

Dundee fan on P&B - Hibs and Dundee fans should combine to simultaneously run on the pitch on Saturday and get the game abandoned, this delaying the end of the season.



How brilliant would that be? :faf:

I think someone should get out to Easter Road this afternoon and start pumping in hundreds of gallons of water right across the pitch, making it waterlogged for tomorrow and making it impossible to hold the game so it will then need to be rescheduled for a couple of weeks' time. :greengrin

[Gus Fring]

Dundee fan on P&B - Hibs and Dundee fans should combine to simultaneously run on the pitch on Saturday and get the game abandoned, this delaying the end of the season.



How brilliant would that be? :faf:

Sadly that would end up with the supporters being banned from the SPL for even longer than Hearts.

[Killiehibbie]

Sadly that would end up with the supporters being banned from the SPL for even longer than Hearts.
A life ban for invading the ptich? :wink:

[Keith_M]

Even as the judge adjusts his black cap there is a thread singing their love of Vlad. A sample:



We'd have been long dead by now if he hadnt rode in on his white horse, like a majestic, messianic, sex kitten. That he's given us champions league football two scottish cup wins and 2 of the most important derby wins of all time is just a pleasing side though.

The man is beautiful.


:greengrin


That's got to be either a Hibby at the wind up or Rolland the Rat

[Treadstone]

A bit of light relief courtesy of 'in the know' jambo Mark Donaldson.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431875_10151918457106562_2028583518_n.jpg

[Hermit Crab]

A bit of light relief courtesy of 'in the know' jambo Mark Donaldson.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431875_10151918457106562_2028583518_n.jpg

He's a throbber.

[1875er]

He's a throbber.

:agree::agree::agree:
Total throbber....

"Chances remain slim".... unlike you Donkey ya balding fat throbber.

[Gus Fring]

He's a throbber.

Proved by the fact he's got 007 in his twitter handle. Less James Bond more Jenny Bond

[Hibercelona]

A bit of light relief courtesy of 'in the know' jambo Mark Donaldson.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431875_10151918457106562_2028583518_n.jpg

#allisbarry

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

:agree::agree::agree:
Total throbber....

"Chances remain slim".... unlike you Donkey ya balding fat throbber.

That was posted on 2 May about "chances remain slim"

Still a throbber though :wink:

[Hibercelona]

I think someone should get out to Easter Road this afternoon and start pumping in hundreds of gallons of water right across the pitch, making it waterlogged for tomorrow and making it impossible to hold the game so it will then need to be rescheduled for a couple of weeks' time. :greengrin

:agree:

Or turn off the electricity and say "We've no paid our electricity bills."

Can't scan season tickets.... etc :greengrin

[Kato]

What ever happens over the next few days, it's a win, win situation.

Part of me wants to have the opportunity to "Do" them in every game possible :aok:

Chill, It's Win, win............ :agree:

Chill was exactly the word I was thinking of. The faster the spiral down the plug hole gets the less bothered I am about whatever happens to them. Even if the SPL decided they could stay in the Top flight with a 30 point start next season they will be very lucky to be able to field a team next season. I'll be surprised if they even have a field.

[Caversham Green]

:agree: However isn't there a difference between a group company and the "owner and operator" in that the owner and operator suffering an insolvency event would result in an automatic deduction whereas a group company is at the discretion of the SPL?

In that case, Hearts will argue that UBIG's insolvency was forced by external factors (Ukio) rather than anything to do with the football club and they have been operating without assistance from UBIG since Feb 2012, so they shouldn't be made to suffer for the non-football sins of a group company.

I'm not saying I agree with any of this by the way, but I can see them using that argument and getting out of any deduction right now.

I think you've outlined their strongest argument there, but I believe the details in my post show that argument to be superficial. I also maintain that Nimmo-Smith's ruling doesn't bear scrutiny - taken to it's coclusion it indicates that Rangers the club did nothing wrong because it was Rangers the company that paid EBTs, defaulted on tax and VAT and all the rest. Likewise players' contracts don't stipulate that they are signed to paly for any other entity than their employer - which is the company, not the club.

Sadly, it's not me that makes the decisions (them and the huns would be long gone) but I can see there being hell to pay if the SPL don't impose some form of punishment. They must tread very carefully.

[Bostonhibby]

Just a matter of time till religion reared it's ugly head. From a Hun on FF:


Just a thought why has this happened to the 2 clubs with the majority of support are protestant?

Sectarianism at its worst, what about all of us born protestants but who just happen to have sense of fair play?

[greenginger]

I think you've outlined their strongest argument there, but I believe the details in my post show that argument to be superficial. I also maintain that Nimmo-Smith's ruling doesn't bear scrutiny - taken to it's coclusion it indicates that Rangers the club did nothing wrong because it was Rangers the company that paid EBTs, defaulted on tax and VAT and all the rest. Likewise players' contracts don't stipulate that they are signed to paly for any other entity than their employer - which is the company, not the club.

Sadly, it's not me that makes the decisions (them and the huns would be long gone) but I can see there being hell to pay if the SPL don't impose some form of punishment. They must tread very carefully.


I think the SPL WILL deduct the points from Hearts but will also invite them to appeal the decision.

That way they can put off making a final and binding decision and allow others to interpret their own rules/ make a fudge at a later date.

[Treadstone]

That was posted on 2 May about "chances remain slim"

Still a throbber though :wink:

I know but it was his attempt to make himself look ahead of the curve and no doubt he would have referred back to this if it had been the case. I refer you to this guff.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rk36lt

Pay particular attention to the third paragraph. Almost word for word what Ian Murray had said a few hours earlier and absolutely nowhere near grounded in reality.

'Political angle' :faf:

[Hibercelona]

Sectarianism at its worst, what about all of us born protestants but who just happen to have sense of fair play?

That's no allowed.

You have to follow either Rangers or Hearts and hate those evil caffolicks to be a "true protestant".

Just ask the pure bloods over on Rangers Media and Follow Follow.

[Leithenhibby]

Chill was exactly the word I was thinking of. The faster the spiral down the plug hole gets the less bothered I am about whatever happens to them. Even if the SPL decided they could stay in the Top flight with a 30 point start next season they will be very lucky to be able to field a team next season. I'll be surprised if they even have a field.


:greengrin


The main thing is, we don't lose!

Happy Days :wink:

[Bostonhibby]

That's no allowed.

You have to follow either Rangers or Hearts and hate those evil caffolicks to be a "true protestant".

Just ask the pure bloods over on Rangers Media and Follow Follow.

:agree: This is why for many years I have been a devout agnostic aetheist - looks good on a t - shirt as well:greengrin

[Milandinho]

The who, what, why and when's don't matter now. The bottom line is no matter what way they wriggle and squirm Hearts are Royally DaffyDucked!

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy watching them squirm :tee hee:

[Geo_1875]

:agree: This is why for many years I have been a devout agnostic aetheist - looks good on a t - shirt as well:greengrin

Can you confirm that you are definitely sure about that?

[God Petrie]

How can you be an agnostic atheist. By definition an agnostic is theist!

[Col2]

The who, what, why and when's don't matter now. The bottom line is no matter what way they wriggle and squirm Hearts are Royally DaffyDucked!

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy watching them squirm :tee hee:

I agree. Would be nice for them to be relegated this season but if not then I will watch the legal challenge with interest over the summer holidays and watch them squirm. Penalty next season if they stay in SPL. Then the real fun begins as the Litianians will be looking for £25m back and I give them until end of June latest before admin.

Close season is tough without much income!!

[Treadstone]

How can you be an agnostic atheist. By definition an agnostic is theist!

No really. Agnostic means you have no way of knowing for certain.

[TonyStokeprano]

How many times has it been tomorrow when they go bust ?? What's the chances of hearts starting next season in the spl without a points deduction ??? Please say 0%

[Thecat23]

How many times has it been tomorrow when they go bust ?? What's the chances of hearts starting next season in the spl without a points deduction ??? Please say 0%

0%

[hibby rae]

:agree: This is why for many years I have been a devout agnostic aetheist - looks good on a t - shirt as well:greengrin

Ever here of the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?




He used to lie awake all night wondering if there really was a dog!:offski:

[Bostonhibby]

How can you be an agnostic atheist. By definition an agnostic is theist!

I agree, nearly. Sometimes I am definite, but other times I am not so sure! It's a crude attempt to emphasise my view about religion and its effect on and relevance to, football in particular.


Ever here of the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?




He used to lie awake all night wondering if there really was a dog!:offski:

:faf:

[NOLA]

http://davidyoung.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/27-04-2013-Dundee-v-Hearts/G0000Q0SRk32oO08/I0000YsAO5ZHV9HU



:faf :faf:
that billy the fish has a face you could slap aw day :agree:

[Craig_in_Prague]

ever here of the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?




He used to lie awake all night wondering if there really was a dog!:offski:

pmsl

[God Petrie]

So not much chance of any news today then? Annoying because it would have made the Dundee game more entertaining.

[therealgavmac]

Ever here of the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?




He used to lie awake all night wondering if there really was a dog!:offski:


Was he the same one who was a devil worshipper and sold his soul to Santa? :xwave

[Pedantic_Hibee]

"We can still afford higher wages than most of the SPL"

They really don't get it at all do they?

They helmets don't deserve a club, even one as crass, indignant, self-righteous and financially/morally bankrupt as that horrible criminal-employing institution.

[Caversham Green]

How many times has it been tomorrow when they go bust ?? What's the chances of hearts starting next season in the spl without a points deduction ??? Please say 0%

Even if they do they'll have to find £10m by the end of that season and £15m by the middle of the season after.

When sorrows come, they come not single spies,
But in battalions.

[hibby rae]

Was he the same one who was a devil worshipper and sold his soul to Santa? :xwave

:thumbsup::top marks

I doth my cap sir!

[calumhibee1]

"We can still afford higher wages than most of the SPL"

They really don't get it at all do they?

They helmets don't deserve a club, even one as crass, indignant, self-righteous and financially/morally bankrupt as that horrible criminal-employing institution.

Jambo in my work keeps saying similar. "If we get deducted the points next season well not have any bother staying up since Webster is re-signing and well have goals up front with Boyd and Goodwillie. They'll come to us because we can pay more than teams like Killie." The mind boggles.

[SaulGoodman]

Why are people getting annoyed? Hearts haven't got a pot to piss in, they'll be liquidated soon enough IMO..

Even if they aren't, they've got no money at all.. We're unbeaten against them this season and thats just the start of things..

[Part/Time Supporter]

How many times has it been tomorrow when they go bust ?? What's the chances of hearts starting next season in the spl without a points deduction ??? Please say 0%

Nil. This appears to be purely a technical dispute over whether UBIG's declaration yesterday constitutes an insolvency event, as it hasn't (yet?) been approved by a court hearing.

I just had this conversation with an EEN journo:


@markratkinson

Key to Hearts/UBIG situation is when SPL deem UBIG to have been declared insolvent ... it's not been ratified in court and that'll take time


Does that mean the SPL will not accept Hearts' arguments that UBIG going into admin would not count as an insolvency event?


‏@markratkinson

I don't think Hearts would argue that. Their argument would be that they've been self-sufficient from UBIG for 18 months and therefore aren't financially dependant on them. I can't see that washing with the SPL, however - it's down to shareholding and the stark truth is that UBIG hold 79% of the shareholding. That seems to be where the potential problem lies for Hearts

[Platinum Scotty]

Why are people getting annoyed? Hearts haven't got a pot to piss in, they'll be liquidated soon enough IMO..

Even if they aren't, they've got no money at all.. We're unbeaten against them this season and thats just the start of things..

I for one just want to see them dealt with, and quickly....hate the idea of them squirming out of it in the short tem and getting any breathing space whatsoever.....

I totally believe that it will happen, just may take time, but being selfish i want them gone before the end of the season.

[hibs0666]

Ever here of the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?




He used to lie awake all night wondering if there really was a dog!:offski:

Not half as bad as the dyslexic devil worshipper who sold his soul to Santa.

[PatHead]

I almost want them to think they have got away with it by the SPL making a decision in their favour. We will then get all is barry etc. Dundee then appeal and win so Hearts get relegated and replaced by a team who has got away with administration twice. Just before the season starts Hearts are liquidated and have no time to apply to the SFL. Spartans get into the SFL instead of them. As a final aside Dunfermline (a team in administration) get promoted back to D1. I could really hear them squeal at that. Do these thoughts make me a bad person or a realist?

[Sudds_1]

I almost want them to think they have got away with it by the SPL making a decision in their favour. We will then get all is barry etc. Dundee then appeal and win so Hearts get relegated and replaced by a team who has got away with administration twice. Just before the season starts Hearts are liquidated and have no time to apply to the SFL. Spartans get into the SFL instead of them. As a final aside Dunfermline (a team in administration) get promoted back to D1. I could really hear them squeal at that. Do these thoughts make me a bad person or a realist?

They make you a Hibby!
:cb

[clerriehibs]

I almost want them to think they have got away with it by the SPL making a decision in their favour. We will then get all is barry etc. Dundee then appeal and win so Hearts get relegated and replaced by a team who has got away with administration twice. Just before the season starts Hearts are liquidated and have no time to apply to the SFL. Spartans get into the SFL instead of them. As a final aside Dunfermline (a team in administration) get promoted back to D1. I could really hear them squeal at that. Do these thoughts make me a bad person or a realist?

Far too much positivity in favour of hertz there!!

[Treadstone]

The best case scenario for them is obviously no points deduction. This would still leave them with no external financial support other than possible FoH investment or their own mooted 'membership scheme':faf:. The thick end of £2m leaving every season just on continuing - HMRC, debt interest and servicing the stadium from deathtrap to hovel on a recurring fortnightly basis. The considerable constant cloud of UBIG and UKIO consequences hanging over them ready to burst right over Swynecastle and it will.

AGM next Thursday you say ?

[Gus Fring]

I might be the only one but I have faith that the SPL will do what's right. UBIG is Hearts Operator/Owner, Hearts themselves have said that as recently as this week so I can't really see that being a bone of contention. Hearts will spraff on about how they are self sufficient but I suspect the SPL is going to look at that and say that in the time Hearts claim they were self sufficient they had problems paying Tax as well as player wages and also had to beg supporters for money in order to survive. That can't be considered self sufficient by anyone who has a pulse.

[jacomo]

I might be the only one but I have faith that the SPL will do what's right. UBIG is Hearts Operator/Owner, Hearts themselves have said that as recently as this week so I can't really see that being a bone of contention. Hearts will spraff on about how they are self sufficient but I suspect the SPL is going to look at that and say that in the time Hearts claim they were self sufficient they had problems paying Tax as well as player wages and also had to beg supporters for money in order to survive. That can't be considered self sufficient by anyone who has a pulse.

Spot on. Question is, does Neil Doncaster have a pulse?

:dunno:

[Treadstone]

I might be the only one but I have faith that the SPL will do what's right. UBIG is Hearts Operator/Owner, Hearts themselves have said that as recently as this week so I can't really see that being a bone of contention. Hearts will spraff on about how they are self sufficient but I suspect the SPL is going to look at that and say that in the time Hearts claim they were self sufficient they had problems paying Tax as well as player wages and also had to beg supporters for money in order to survive. That can't be considered self sufficient by anyone who has a pulse.

M'Lud I refer you to this thread !

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/128118-self-sufficient/

It seems a £70k loss without the £1.5m HMRC bill is self sufficiency in action.:paid:

[EdinMike]

I might be the only one but I have faith that the SPL will do what's right. UBIG is Hearts Operator/Owner, Hearts themselves have said that as recently as this week so I can't really see that being a bone of contention. Hearts will spraff on about how they are self sufficient but I suspect the SPL is going to look at that and say that in the time Hearts claim they were self sufficient they had problems paying Tax as well as player wages and also had to beg supporters for money in order to survive. That can't be considered self sufficient by anyone who has a pulse.

Doesn't matter if they have been "Self Sufficient" in the last 18 months. This oncoming punishment is for the years of overspending and in effect cheating.

Whether or not it happens today or next week, It's still Friday and sunny ! Time to leave this to stew for a while :coolhib:

[matty_f]

If they are self-sufficient then why the share issue, begging, and cake sales?

Do these trumpets button up the back?

[Mark1875]

Loving absolute radio 90's today.

Echo and the Bunnymen's Nothing Lasts Forever just came on. Indeed it doesn't. Particularly enjoyed the last lines.

"All the shadows and the pain are coming to you". Iain McCulloch what a legend.

Ps. Even better just before I hit send Radiohead's Just came on right after.

"You do it to yourself"

Pps primal scream now. "I was blind but now I see"

Wonder what's next lol

Jambos GIRFUY

[matty_f]

Also it was only this season they had consecutive sanctions in place for not paying players. Self-sufficient?

[Aldo]

Also it was only this season they had consecutive sanctions in place for not paying players. Self-sufficient?

This..... Does anyone know if the wages have been paid for this month??

[leggeto]

Surely they will take the punishment now as they will have a chance at coming back up because if they go down the season after we all know who will be joining them in the 1st div

[God Petrie]

We are self sufficient in a season where we had to beg fans for money, were late paying players on several occasions, had to negotiate a payment plan on a £1.5m tax bill, are continuing to neglect paying non-paying staff and are only paying interest on £25m worth of loans to two bankrupt companies. OK.

[Caversham Green]

The best case scenario for them is obviously no points deduction. This would still leave them with no external financial support other than possible FoH investment or their own mooted 'membership scheme':faf:. The thick end of £2m leaving every season just on continuing - HMRC, debt interest and servicing the stadium from deathtrap to hovel on a recurring fortnightly basis. The considerable constant cloud of UBIG and UKIO consequences hanging over them ready to burst right over Swynecastle and it will.

AGM next Thursday you say ?

Their own accounts make it very clear that they are not self-sufficient. They need an unspecified amount of cashflow to come from player sales (with few players to sell) and a proposed membership scheme which, on 8th April they claimed to be 'soon to be launched' but on 17 May hasn't even been publicised, just to survive.

I trust the shareholders will request details of these next Thursday.

[DaveF]

This..... Does anyone know if the wages have been paid for this month??

I think its safe to assume the wages were paid, otherwise it would have been news by now.

[hibs4thecup1988]

Still got a terrible feeling they are going to come out the other side smelling of roses...:rolleyes:

[greenlex]

We are self sufficient in a season where we had to beg fans for money, were late paying players on several occasions, had to negotiate a payment plan on a £1.5m tax bill, are continuing to neglect paying non-paying staff and are only paying interest on £25m worth of loans to two bankrupt companies. OK.
Are they not paying less than the interest on these loans?

[matty_f]

Are they not paying less than the interest on these loans?

That's what all self sufficient clubs do. #allisbarry

[Aldo]

I think its safe to assume the wages were paid, otherwise it would have been news by now.

They usually shout it from the roof tops when wages are paid. I've asked all is Barry, what an hour ago, but he's no saying anything.

I beg to differ and don't think they've paid anyone.

[Mikey]

They usually shout it from the roof tops when wages are paid. I've asked all is Barry, what an hour ago, but he's no saying anything.

I beg to differ and don't think they've paid anyone.

The players have been told not to say anything too.

Read into that what you will.

If nothing else, if they haven't paid them then Hearts will have to have reported it to the SPL by Monday, which would presumably impact on their decision.

[Hermit Crab]

Tweeted banderson again about the wages. Lets see if he responds.

[Treadstone]

Their own accounts make it very clear that they are not self-sufficient. They need an unspecified amount of cashflow to come from player sales (with few players to sell) and a proposed membership scheme which, on 8th April they claimed to be 'soon to be launched' but on 17 May hasn't even been publicised, just to survive.

I trust the shareholders will request details of these next Thursday.

Caversham.

This membership scheme is the one that really interests me. Seems to me they are thinking 'if fans want to give extra money we might as well take charge of it'. I am sure some would not join if it is going to the current incumbents but as we seen from the share issue there is plenty that don't mind giving a donation.

FoH must be absolutely fizzing about this. Not so much an elephant in the room but a toaster in the bath for their plans.:cb

[Aldo]

The players have been told not to say anything too.

Read into that what you will.

If nothing else, if they haven't paid them then Hearts will have to have reported it to the SPL by Monday, which would presumably impact on their decision.

Mikey that's it in a nutshell. Silence to me means nowts been paid. They honestly think that getting past the Sheep game on the 19th and that's it they are home and dry.

SPL have mentioned the word RETROSPECTIVELY.

Wages not being paid means a further penalty and a fine would be pointless.

Pints deduction or further transfer embargo on its way me thinks.

[stokesmessiah]

Surely they will take the punishment now as they will have a chance at coming back up because if they go down the season after we all know who will be joining them in the 1st div

There would be playoffs in place by then so they would still have a chance at getting up even in Sevco Utd are in the league.

Whether they have a club or stadium at that point is however, anyone's guess.

[Spike Mandela]

No word from Lithuania yet? If a court decision wasn't imminent today I would have expected that reported by now.

[Aldo]

Tweeted banderson again about the wages. Lets see if he responds.

Good luck. I twatted him over a hour ago. Silence means not paid cos he'd be the first one to post it.




There would be playoffs in place by then so they would still have a chance at getting up even in Sevco Utd are in the league.

Whether they have a club or stadium at that point is however, anyone's guess.

They would have to be in one of those positions to make the play offs first to stand a chance.

[God Petrie]

Good luck. I twatted him over a hour ago. Silence means not paid cos he'd be the first one to post it.

To be fair, he probably just doesn't know. Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

[Aldo]

To be fair, he probably just doesn't know. Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

Ha ha

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Where is the link to say the SFA are meeting on Monday

[truehibernian]

You've got to hand it to Barry Pandertothem - his latest feeble attempt at 'being in the know' is to say that the transfer plans of getting Boyd and Goodwillie may have to be 'ripped up' depending on events in Lithuania..............that'll be the plans that were purely in Gary Locke's wee dreamland head then Barry.........

As for the Hearts fans.............they are like alcoholics at a wedding reception, sitting with an orange juice proudly exclaiming they are 'clean', whilst the hipflask with vodka is hidden under the table between their legs.

My goalposts are indeed shifting as I did think it would be poor to see them go down - now I want to see them banished purely for their shameful arrogance. Oh, and that they have the most appalling dress sense and hygiene standards :greengrin

[Paisley Hibby]

So the SPL come up with a new set of rules, but they need to take legal advice in order to understand them :rolleyes:

I don't think it's the rules that are the problem, it's working out whether the current situation with HOMFC triggers one of those rules. My guess is that it doesn't for the moment - but that may change over the summer. As a result, I feel relegation will not happen (although there's possibly things worse than that ahead for them). However, SPL will want to be sure as they'll have Dundee (and maybe the Big Huns) all over this like a rash.

In my heart I guess I'd love to see those arrogant pompous ****s go the way of Third Lanark. However, my head says we need them as much as they need us. Apart from the cup, the only matches that ever get me really fired up nowadys are the derbies. I for one hope we don't lose those games. Just saying like. :cb

[Treadstone]

As for the Hearts fans.............they are like alcoholics at a wedding reception, sitting with an orange juice proudly exclaiming they are 'clean', whilst the hipflask with vodka is hidden under the table between their legs.



:faf: More analogies please. My fave was possibly on this thread about Hearts being the junkie son begging for money and the father giving him it but that it must be spent on food. As soon as he gets it he heads for the nearest dealer.

[Gus Fring]

I think too much is being made about the SPL seeking legal advice on their own rules. This particular situation is obviously complicated by whats happening in Lithuania. Nobody seems to know for sure whether what happened yesterday was part of the official legal process for UBIG suffering an insolvency event or if it was just them telling people what's going on. The SPL are wise to be covering their ***** IMO. They need to make sure they're not jumping the gun and dishing out rather sever punishments without properly looking in to it.

Time is not a bad thing here, we need the SPL to be 100% sure in whatever decision it makes, we don't want those gorgie ****bags wriggling out of this in a few weeks because the procedures haven't been followed.

[Mikey]

Time is not a bad thing here, we need the SPL to be 100% sure in whatever decision it makes, we don't want those gorgie ****bags wriggling out of this in a few weeks because the procedures haven't been followed.

:agree:

[Treadstone]

I think too much is being made about the SPL seeking legal advice on their own rules. This particular situation is obviously complicated by whats happening in Lithuania. Nobody seems to know for sure whether what happened yesterday was part of the official legal process for UBIG suffering an insolvency event or if it was just them telling people what's going on. The SPL are wise to be covering their ***** IMO. They need to make sure they're not jumping the gun and dishing out rather sever punishments without properly looking in to it.

Time is not a bad thing here, we need the SPL to be 100% sure in whatever decision it makes, we don't want those gorgie ****bags wriggling out of this in a few weeks because the procedures haven't been followed.

This.

Whatever some people believe in the corridors of power there is always someone ready to argue the other side. Look at the Lord Nimmo Smith ruling, Lord Glennies' transfer ban hearing for sevco and the First Tier Tax Tribunal. Most of the arbiters in these cases would have come from similar walks of life, education and careers but disagree when ultimately decisions have to be made.

One thing we can agree on though is the groaning when we see "Neil Patey football finance expert...":aok:

[Green Fish]

Just up, was night shift. As the meeting is on Monday, a day after the end of the season, does this mean that if points are deducted is it implemented for this season or for the start of next season.

Apologies if detailed elsewhere.

[Gus Fring]

Just up, was night shift. As the meeting is on Monday, a day after the end of the season, does this mean that if points are deducted is it implemented for this season or for the start of next season.

Apologies if detailed elsewhere.

SPL can apply the deduction for this season if they wish

[calumhibee1]

Just up, was night shift. As the meeting is on Monday, a day after the end of the season, does this mean that if points are deducted is it implemented for this season or for the start of next season.

Apologies if detailed elsewhere.

They can hand out a retrospective punishment. So they can still be relegated on Monday.

[Onion]

I think too much is being made about the SPL seeking legal advice on their own rules. This particular situation is obviously complicated by whats happening in Lithuania. Nobody seems to know for sure whether what happened yesterday was part of the official legal process for UBIG suffering an insolvency event or if it was just them telling people what's going on. The SPL are wise to be covering their ***** IMO. They need to make sure they're not jumping the gun and dishing out rather sever punishments without properly looking in to it.

Time is not a bad thing here, we need the SPL to be 100% sure in whatever decision it makes, we don't want those gorgie ****bags wriggling out of this in a few weeks because the procedures haven't been followed.

Makes sense but the SPL beaks are lucky to have this time. Had the points diff been 16-20, then DFC and Yams would have needed a result in tomorrow's matches to be sure of staying up. That would have made the Hibs game much more competitive, with risk to players etc. As I say, SPL are lucky to have the time and should really have anticipated this scenario WEEKS AGO.

[Onion]

They can hand out a retrospective punishment. So they can still be relegated on Monday.

Yeah, but a lot less fun for us at the match tomorrow :partyhibb

[Golden Bear]

This.

Whatever some people believe in the corridors of power there is always someone ready to argue the other side. Look at the Lord Nimmo Smith ruling, Lord Glennies' transfer ban hearing for sevco and the First Tier Tax Tribunal. Most of the arbiters in these cases would have come from similar walks of life, education and careers but disagree when ultimately decisions have to be made.

One thing we can agree on though is the groaning when we see "Neil Patey football finance expert...":aok:

Aye I often think that the Legal profession contain some of the biggest criminals in the country ----------- in fact they're a law unto themselves! The Law is a big game to them and many see it as nothing more than an opportunity to accumulate yet more vastly inflated fees .

:grr:

[Golden Bear]

I wonder what Dundee's take is on these latest developments? --------- it all seems strangely quite on that front.

[Frazerbob]

So, do we all want Hearts to win tomorrow so that they will have an extra point deducted next season should the points penalty come then?

[itslegaltender]

heres a link to UBIG's very own website proclaiming that they "actively participates in its management"

http://www.ubig.lt/index.php/projektai/sports/74

[rcarter1]

In my heart I guess I'd love to see those arrogant pompous ****s go the way of Third Lanark. However, my head says we need them as much as they need us. Apart from the cup, the only matches that ever get me really fired up nowadys are the derbies. I for one hope we don't lose those games. Just saying like. :cb

Agree with that, although if we got our schect together and were challenging at the top end of the table, we might not need them so much. Compromise - They can keep their stadium, SPL status, debt free - clean as a whistle - but they are not allowed to field a goal keeper from now on. :Awright!:

[Sas_The_Hibby]

SPL can apply the deduction for this season if they wish

Do we get to vote?

PLEASE

:greengrin

[rcarter1]

So, do we all want Hearts to win tomorrow so that they will have an extra point deducted next season should the points penalty come then?

Belter!! :LOL::clapper:

[greenpaper55]

heres a link to UBIG's very own website proclaiming that they "actively participates in its management"

http://www.ubig.lt/index.php/projektai/sports/74

Sent the link to the SPL just in case they missed it :greengrin

[Frazerbob]

heres a link to UBIG's very own website proclaiming that they "actively participates in its management"

http://www.ubig.lt/index.php/projektai/sports/74

Case rested your honour!

[Sas_The_Hibby]

So, do we all want Hearts to win tomorrow so that they will have an extra point deducted next season should the points penalty come then?

:greengrin Yes, and if they DO get the points docked this season they may be relegated by ONLY ONE POINT, which would be even more hilarious.

[Green Man]

:greengrin Yes, and if they DO get the points docked this season they may be relegated by ONLY ONE POINT, which would be even more hilarious.

Only one point? The point which they almost had before Ross Caldwell scored in the last minute? :greengrin

[Craig_HFC]

:greengrin Yes, and if they DO get the points docked this season they may be relegated by ONLY ONE POINT, which would be even more hilarious.

Which would also mean that our win at the Stuart Hall Arena last week would have relegated them

:greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

Just as well we let Dundee beat us :greengrin

[TRC]

Horrible tho it is I remember the last time one of the edinburgh clubs got relegated, the other side won a cup. Hope that's a good omen? would make it all the sweeter!

[iwasthere1972]

Can I put the champagne on ice yet?

[Spike Mandela]

Can I put the champagne on ice yet?

Yip and switch on the slow cooker.

[CelticEnd]

Would it not be better for them to

- remain in the league for next season
- go into administration in the summer
- lose 17 points
- lost all their players of any worth
- get relegated
- enter into SFL1 with Rangers for 2014/15 season
- see the two of them fight out a promotion battle (how the mighty have fallen)

I also worry that relegation at this stage would see the old "dead cat bounce" down Tynecastle with thousands of lunatics queuing up to buy season tickets.

Give them a season of hell in the SPL cut adrift from second bottom would break them before they enter the lower leagues.

[Golden Bear]

The Dundee Courier take on the latest events ---------- which is surprisingly low key imo.


http://www.thecourier.co.uk/sport/football/dundee-fc/hearts-twist-gives-dark-blues-hope-of-spl-survival-1.94186

[SteveHFC]

http://m.local.stv.tv/edinburgh/news/225724-hearts-relegation-fate-to-be-decided-on-monday-following-ubig-insolvency/

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg05d8yRzu1qgnsnbo1_400.gif

[Spike Mandela]

Would it not be better for them to

- remain in the league for next season
- go into administration in the summer
- lose 17 points
- lost all their players of any worth
- get relegated
- enter into SFL1 with Rangers for 2014/15 season
- see the two of them fight out a promotion battle (how the mighty have fallen)

I also worry that relegation at this stage would see the old "dead cat bounce" down Tynecastle with thousands of lunatics queuing up to buy season tickets.

Give them a season of hell in the SPL cut adrift from second bottom would break them before they enter the lower leagues.

Would be a reaonable outcome but points total would be a third of this years point toatal and not 17.

[jgl07]

Would it not be better for them to

- remain in the league for next season
- go into administration in the summer
- lose 17 points
- lost all their players of any worth
- get relegated
- enter into SFL1 with Rangers for 2014/15 season
- see the two of them fight out a promotion battle (how the mighty have fallen)

I also worry that relegation at this stage would see the old "dead cat bounce" down Tynecastle with thousands of lunatics queuing up to buy season tickets.

Give them a season of hell in the SPL cut adrift from second bottom would break them before they enter the lower leagues.

There is a lot to be said for that.

They had an easy ride this year with a Dundee team who had next to no time to prepare or strengthen for this SPL after the meltdown of Rangers. This year there will be a strong looking Partick Thistle side promoted. Hearts playing with a glorified youth team could struggle to stay up even without a 14 point penalty.

They could easily be without a ground next season and might find it easier to rebuild in the SFL1.

Keep them up, I say, for one last season!

[rcarter1]

heres a link to UBIG's very own website proclaiming that they "actively participates in its management"

http://www.ubig.lt/index.php/projektai/sports/74

Strange that their basketball team looks strangely like a Hibs top... Has Sir Tom Farmer been behind this from the beginning? If so, the 5-1 bit could have been re written slightly, apart from that its been a riot. Anyone gonna miss Vlads rants?

[s.a.m]

Caversham.

This membership scheme is the one that really interests me. Seems to me they are thinking 'if fans want to give extra money we might as well take charge of it'. I am sure some would not join if it is going to the current incumbents but as we seen from the share issue there is plenty that don't mind giving a donation.

FoH must be absolutely fizzing about this. Not so much an elephant in the room but a toaster in the bath for their plans.:cb

:greengrin
I like that.

[Leishy1995]

Has it been revealed yet

[Spike Mandela]

Neil Lennon annoying just about everyone........

“@gordonchree: Neil Lennon on Hearts: SPL has already lost 2nd biggest team, don't want to lose 3rd biggest #hearts”

[Waxy]

They didn't get paid yesterday did they?

[mjhibby]

Are they not paying less than the interest on these loans?

They are paying 4% on the £25m and have an agreement(allegedly) to do this for the next two seasons.along with the £500,000 each year owed to hmrc under another agreement that means they have to find £1.5m a year for that before anything else.With no europe and a probable points deduction the spl will surely realise they are not self sufficient and will not be able to pay all their bills in the next two seasons.I hope they arent relegated this season as we would lose around another £300,000 from our budget.Much better they get a 15 point deduction for next season which would probably mean them being relegated next season and having to compete with sevco to get out of div 1Still there will be playoffs for them by then. No wonder david southern was so keen on the 8,8,8 split for next season as they would have got rid of the 15point deduction after 22 games next season and would have 14 games to escape relegation.
Most jambos now know the day of reckoning is coming and the sooner the better so we can get on with our business for next season.

[Hibercelona]

Neil Lennon annoying just about everyone........

“@gordonchree: Neil Lennon on Hearts: SPL has already lost 2nd biggest team, don't want to lose 3rd biggest #hearts”

Well at least he acknowledges that we're the big boys in the league.

[itslegaltender]

wonder if over on sickback you'll have a thread "well said Neil Lennon!"

[Stevie Reid]

Neil Lennon annoying just about everyone........

“@gordonchree: Neil Lennon on Hearts: SPL has already lost 2nd biggest team, don't want to lose 3rd biggest #hearts”

Motivational tool for the final.

[Mikey]

Neil Lennon annoying just about everyone........

“@gordonchree: Neil Lennon on Hearts: SPL has already lost 2nd biggest team, don't want to lose 3rd biggest #hearts”

That's just a swipe at Rangers.

[Deansy]

heres a link to UBIG's very own website proclaiming that they "actively participates in its management"

http://www.ubig.lt/index.php/projektai/sports/74

Had a look at that - clicked on the section for their 'Football Legion'(?)

Football academy for children and youth
Developing its activity in the domain of sports, in July 2007, the UBIG established the football academy for children and youth called “Football Legion”.

For a 'Legion' that's been on the go since 2007, there doesn't seem much activity on their website - almost as if it's fictional ................

[green glory]

That's just a swipe at Rangers.

There is no Rangers.

[Gus Fring]

I've been watching 3 parody accounts on Twitter arguing all day. It's hilarious. Only on Twitter can you get Rod Petrie arguing with Romanov and Barry Anderson.

For anyone interested its

@Sir_Rodpetrie
@thereal_romanov
@Andybarryson_8

[One Day Soon]

I've been watching 3 parody accounts on Twitter arguing all day. It's hilarious. Only on Twitter can you get Rod Petrie arguing with Romanov and Barry Anderson.

For anyone interested its

@Sir_Rodpetrie
@thereal_romanov
@Andybarryson_8

lie

[joe breezy]

lie

How's it a lie? Go to twitter and there are indeed parody accounts arguing with each other...

[Gus Fring]

Ooohhh. Just had a text from someone who would definitely know. Say's

"The ambiguity isn't whether UBIG owns Hearts, SPL and Hearts are clear on that, the ongoing discussions are about whether UBIG is insolvent and if so, do Hearts deserve punishment. Hearts are making noise about how they are on their own now, SPL isn't buying into it without evidence"

Pressed him further and he reckons that's why Hearts have been banging on about it every chance they get for the last few months cos they knew this day would come and the longer they set expectations the better.

Take that for what it's worth. Nothing knew but still good to know.

[EdinMike]

Pulling this from a Hibs group on Facebook:

"Is it true that if hearts don't pay 9 million in 40 hours they go into administration?"

Sounds ridiculous to me but people are saying (with hopeful thinking..) that it's true ?!

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Uuqry9SMjQM/hqdefault.jpg?feature=og

[One Day Soon]

How's it a lie? Go to twitter and there are indeed parody accounts arguing with each other...

Because it is patently the case that no one could possibly be able to tell the difference between the real Banderson twitter account and a complete parody. They are utterly indistinguishable.

[Leishy1995]

Because it is patently the case that no one could possibly be able to tell the difference between the real Banderson twitter account and a complete parody. They are utterly indistinguishable.

Unreal the amount of times I have seen this since Barry's parody inception

[MyJo]

Would be a reaonable outcome but points total would be a third of this years point toatal and not 17.

It's the higher of one third of the previous seasons total or 15 points, even if the mutants get another 3 points at the weekend they will still only face a 15 point penalty next season.

[Spike Mandela]

Ooohhh. Just had a text from someone who would definitely know. Say's

"The ambiguity isn't whether UBIG owns Hearts, SPL and Hearts are clear on that, the ongoing discussions are about whether UBIG is insolvent and if so, do Hearts deserve punishment. Hearts are making noise about how they are on their own now, SPL isn't buying into it without evidence"

Pressed him further and he reckons that's why Hearts have been banging on about it every chance they get for the last few months cos they knew this day would come and the longer they set expectations the better.

Take that for what it's worth. Nothing knew but still good to know.


Tell a lie often enough and people start to believe it's true.:cb

[Mikey]

The case for the prosecution......

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?264555-The-Case-For-The-Prosecution

[Spike Mandela]

It's the higher of one third of the previous seasons total or 15 points, even if the mutants get another 3 points at the weekend they will still only face a 15 point penalty next season.

It's the higher of one third of previous seasons total or 10 points.

[7062]

Ooohhh. Just had a text from someone who would definitely know. Say's

"The ambiguity isn't whether UBIG owns Hearts, SPL and Hearts are clear on that, the ongoing discussions are about whether UBIG is insolvent and if so, do Hearts deserve punishment. Hearts are making noise about how they are on their own now, SPL isn't buying into it without evidence"

Pressed him further and he reckons that's why Hearts have been banging on about it every chance they get for the last few months cos they knew this day would come and the longer they set expectations the better.

Take that for what it's worth. Nothing knew but still good to know.

I say so what if they're on their own now - they weren't on their own when all the overspending was happening and were happy to pick up trophies.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[Mikey]

Ooohhh. Just had a text from someone who would definitely know. Say's

"The ambiguity isn't whether UBIG owns Hearts, SPL and Hearts are clear on that, the ongoing discussions are about whether UBIG is insolvent and if so, do Hearts deserve punishment. Hearts are making noise about how they are on their own now, SPL isn't buying into it without evidence"

Pressed him further and he reckons that's why Hearts have been banging on about it every chance they get for the last few months cos they knew this day would come and the longer they set expectations the better.

Take that for what it's worth. Nothing knew but still good to know.


The case for the prosecution......

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?264555-The-Case-For-The-Prosecution


These posts fit together quite nicely. If it's evidence they need, there it is.

:bye:

[Sanger]

A court only decides an unwilling insolvent is bankrupt not one who has declared himself insolvent or put on an official government list of insolvents

[God Petrie]

A court only decides an unwilling insolvent is bankrupt not one who has declared himself insolvent or put on an official government of insolvents

What's the hold up on docking them points then? They are surely confirmed insolvent.

[weecounty hibby]

C'mon tae **** SPL!! They know it, we know it, you know it. UBIG own them, UBIG tits up = Hearts tits up. Dish out the points deduction and lets all move onto bigger things like the cup final. Don't let poor journalism and Hearts propaganda fool anyone into believing this self sufficient pish.
They have no money, their revenue streams are way less than their outgoings, they are no longer a going concern and haven't been for months. Just get rid of the annoying little rash that they have become and we will all feel much better and cleaner for it

[God Petrie]

A wee poem for the ghosts:

First they came for UKIO,
We said nothing because we aren’t UKIO.

Then they came for UBIG,
We said nothing because we aren’t UBIG.

Then they came for us,
And there was no one left to save us.

Bye bye

[Hibercelona]

Because it is patently the case that no one could possibly be able to tell the difference between the real Banderson twitter account and a complete parody. They are utterly indistinguishable.

I disagree.

The real thing is much more hilarious.

[One Day Soon]

A wee poem for the ghosts:

First they came for UKIO,
We said nothing because we aren’t UKIO.

Then they came for UBIG,
We said nothing because we aren’t UBIG.

Then they came for us,
And there was no one left to save us.

Bye bye


I prefer Haiku:

Nemesis comes to your door
Debt is a hungry tiger
I watch the Yamroast

[Johnny_Leith]

Is Sir Rod still on the SPL board? That would be delightful.

Anyway, there is no way after how the Rangers case has been handled that there is any escape for them now. The precident of spending way over your means for years and winning trophies has been set. You cheat, you pay!

Strip them off their scottish cup medals, they cheated to get them.

[Winston Ingram]

The Hearts are havin a party,
the Hearts are havin a party,
the Hearts are havin a paaaaaaartyyyy...
oh no in fact their dead

[Sanger]

What's the hold up on docking them points then? They are surely confirmed insolvent.
Absolutely no excuse apart from SPL trying to keep the cheating *******s in the league to make it a more attractive product!

[Juice-Terry]

1. Any official word from Lithuania yet?

2. Any news of salaries being paid yesterday?

[SmashinGlass]

Absolutely no excuse apart from SPL trying to keep the cheating *******s in the league to make it a more attractive product!

That's ironic. With the yams in the league, it's distinctly ugly. :greengrin

[Springbank]

Can I put the champagne on ice yet?

For many of us it's a single malt moment, but if champers is your thing then yeah go on :)

[ancienthibby]

1. Any official word from Lithuania yet?

2. Any news of salaries being paid yesterday?

IF the headline is true.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-16/hearts-majority-owner-ubig-is-insolvent-bankruptcy-body-says.html

[Hank Schrader]

IF the headline is true.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-16/hearts-majority-owner-ubig-is-insolvent-bankruptcy-body-says.html

That, in my opinion, is enough evidence for the Scottish football authorities to deduct Hearts 18 points in line with their rule book.

[EdinMike]

IF the headline is true.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-16/hearts-majority-owner-ubig-is-insolvent-bankruptcy-body-says.html

Dated Yesterday...

Stop stalling SPL, stop kicking your heels, load the gun and take them out'' back ! :agree:

[Sanger]

IF the headline is true.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-16/hearts-majority-owner-ubig-is-insolvent-bankruptcy-body-says.html

You know I would not trust Bloomberg. They have a reporter in Lithuania who checks the facts. And the government debt department; is there anything official about that. I prefer Barry's method which is ignore the facts , do no research and spin a wooly story.

[Sanger]

IF the headline is true.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-16/hearts-majority-owner-ubig-is-insolvent-bankruptcy-body-says.html


Somebody should send that to the SPL.

[Mikey]

You know I would not trust Bloomberg. They have a reporter in Lithuania who checks the facts. And the government debt department; is there anything official about that. I prefer Barry's method which is ignore the facts , do no research and spin a wooly story.

:tee hee:

[Golden Bear]

Somebody should send that to the SPL.

And to Dundee FC.

:greengrin

[Hibercelona]

"It's all very complex."

:faf:

[Phil D. Rolls]

The Hearts are havin a party,
the Hearts are havin a party,
the Hearts are havin a paaaaaaartyyyy...
oh no in fact their dead

They have ceased to be.
They have departed this mortal coil.
They are no more.
They are ex Yams.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

And they sang...

Vlad is /Barry's unreachable
Vlad is/ Barry's unreachable...

[Heisenberg]

That MP that's head of FOH just used the "all very complex" line on the news. I laughed.

[Mikey]

That MP that's head of FOH just used the "all very complex" line on the news. I laughed.

Someone needs to Tweet the "prosecution" thread to him. Even a plum like him could understand that.

And then he can get back to doing his proper job.

[Treadstone]

"It's all very complex."

:faf:

Ian Murray on STV news by any chance ?

:faf:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

"The killer woke at dawn
he put his boots on
and he walked on down the hall..."

[Hibercelona]

Ian Murray on STV news by any chance ?

:faf:

:agree:

.

[hibbiedon]

I dont suppose there is any point in trying to book a room in the five star hotel at tynecastle hotel to watch a champions league match

[Gus Fring]

:faf:

Andy Barryson @AndyBarryson_8
(http://twitter.com/AndyBarryson_8)OI! @IanMurrayMP (http://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP). A heard ye said "All very complex" on the news? Get yer ain material sloth, that's the only original thing I've written!

[Mikey]

:faf:

Andy Barryson @AndyBarryson_8
(http://twitter.com/AndyBarryson_8)OI! @IanMurrayMP (http://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP). A heard ye said "All very complex" on the news? Get yer ain material sloth, that's the only original thing I've written!


:hilarious

[stokesmessiah]

"The killer woke at dawn
he put his boots on
and he walked on down the hall..."

Favourite song of all time.

[weecounty hibby]

Favourite song of all time.
:agree: "The End". How very appropriate on a number of levels

[Ozyhibby]

Are Ubig and Ukio both secured creditors? Will they have a vote on a potential CVA?

[Gus Fring]

Are Ubig and Ukio both secured creditors? Will they have a vote on a potential CVA?

I believe only UKIO is secured and secured creditors don't get a vote.

[blackpoolhibs]

Why is this not all over the news in Scotland? :confused:

[weecounty hibby]

Why is this not all over the news in Scotland? :confused:
Because contrary to the popular Jambo myth they really aren't big news. Scottish firm employing 100ish people goes into liquidation usually only gets about 30 seconds on news.

[Ozyhibby]

So a CVA is likely as HMRC won't have enough debt to block it ?

[MyJo]

So a CVA is likely as HMRC won't have enough debt to block it ?

I dont think HMRC would come into it unless Hearts themselves actually went into administration rather than just UBIG as its HMFC that owe the money to the taxman but if UBIG go into liquidation and the liquidator attempts to recover £10m from them and Ukio's administrators want thier £15m then Hearts wouldn't have any choice but to go into administration and any CVA proposal would have to be agreed by the liquidator/administrator in lithuania who will be pushing to get as much as possible out of the mutants.....cant see them settling for 2p in the £ when they have tynecastle sitting there waiting to be sold for about £10m probably.

[blackpoolhibs]

Because contrary to the popular Jambo myth they really aren't big news. Scottish firm employing 100ish people goes into liquidation usually only gets about 30 seconds on news.

:greengrin When it was the huns, it was the leading story for weeks day after day. Hearts barely get 20 seconds after the cricket. :faf:

[Gus Fring]

I dont think HMRC would come into it unless Hearts themselves actually went into administration rather than just UBIG as its HMFC that owe the money to the taxman but if UBIG go into liquidation and the liquidator attempts to recover £10m from them and Ukio's administrators want thier £15m then Hearts wouldn't have any choice but to go into administration and any CVA proposal would have to be agreed by the liquidator/administrator in lithuania who will be pushing to get as much as possible out of the mutants.....cant see them settling for 2p in the £ when they have tynecastle sitting thier waiting to be sold for about £10m probably.

My understanding is that UKIO & Tynecastle would be seperate from any CVA as they are the secured creditor and the security.

[bigwheel]

Isn't it strange that there have been no protests outside Tynecastle this week, or during this whole remarkable recent episode. Even Dunfermline had that, and the Rangers fans were there regularly. Do they not care? Do they feel the board have done nothing wrong? Can anyone explain why the fans are not up in arms over this dripping death of their club....I can't understand why they aren't furious and seeking to make some demands...

[Gus Fring]

Isn't it strange that there have been no protests outside Tynecastle this week, or during this whole remarkable recent episode. Even Dunfermline had that, and the Rangers fans were there regularly. Do they not care? Do they feel the board have done nothing wrong? Can anyone explain why the fans are not up in arms over this dripping death of their club....I can't understand why they aren't furious and seeking to make some demands...

Nail, meet head.

Read this from brokeback, most of them are content with what's happened. Wouldn't change it. Still think Vlads amazin.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/128098-if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now/

[blackpoolhibs]

Isn't it strange that there have been no protests outside Tynecastle this week, or during this whole remarkable recent episode. Even Dunfermline had that, and the Rangers fans were there regularly. Do they not care? Do they feel the board have done nothing wrong? Can anyone explain why the fans are not up in arms over this dripping death of their club....I can't understand why they aren't furious and seeking to make some demands...

After so many years of being bent over, most of them cant stand up straight never mind form a protest group.

[MyJo]

My understanding is that UKIO & Tynecastle would be seperate from any CVA as they are the secured creditor and the security.

So the CVA would encompass UBIG's £10m, HMRC's outstanding £1m and however many other small, local businesses HMFC are shafting out of money if they go into administration?

Basically whoever is dismantling UBIG will also decide on HMFC's continued existence in those circumstances then?

[#FromTheCapital]

Isn't it strange that there have been no protests outside Tynecastle this week, or during this whole remarkable recent episode. Even Dunfermline had that, and the Rangers fans were there regularly. Do they not care? Do they feel the board have done nothing wrong? Can anyone explain why the fans are not up in arms over this dripping death of their club....I can't understand why they aren't furious and seeking to make some demands...

The difference between hearts fans and Dunfermline/Rangers fans is that hearts fans knew exactly what was happening from the start and decided to go with it for the sake of a couple of Scottish cups and the promise of champions league football. The time to protest would of been about 7 or 8 years ago when the cracks started showing, not now. This is why I want them to die so much. Since Romanov took over they have not wasted any time in getting it right up us after every tainted derby and cup win, in full knowledge that it was false all along. **** them, no mercy.

[Gus Fring]

So the CVA would encompass UBIG's £10m, HMRC's outstanding £1m and however many other small, local businesses HMFC are shafting out of money if they go into administration?

Basically whoever is dismantling UBIG will also decide on HMFC's continued existence in those circumstances then?

More or less.

Which is why it's incredibly unlikelr they'll exit admnistration with a CVA, instead they'll be liquidated.

[Ozyhibby]

So the most likely scenario is Ukio admins taking the stadium and getting what they can for it and Ubig admins taking whatever FOH can raise towards a CVA proposal.
Hearts saved but in Div 1 and with no stadium?
I could handle that.

[Cabbage East]

Why is this not all over the news in Scotland? :confused:

You can blame the utterly dreadful media in this country for that. They'll only report it when it's done and dusted. Absolutely brutal sports media we have here who cater for the simpletons only. "Celts in swoop for kid goals." "Jambos set to nonce." It's just embarrassing sh*te.

[bigwheel]

So the CVA would encompass UBIG's £10m, HMRC's outstanding £1m and however many other small, local businesses HMFC are shafting out of money if they go into administration?

Basically whoever is dismantling UBIG will also decide on HMFC's continued existence in those circumstances then?

The administrators key responsibility is to recoup the most it can through the administration process. It has no mandate, or objective, to keep elements of UBIG operational during this process, unless it increases the value for the creditors. They will have no interest in Hearts continuing as an entity. That will be for others to seek to secure.

A fact that has been missing from any reporting is that the administrators will not simply be tasked by recovering the debt owed by Hearts. It is tasked by maximising it's return. Therefore, if it can get back more than what is owned by taking action on assets (such as the stadium), it will. I can't see any buyer being able to secure the stadium as part of the deal, as it is an asset which will allow the administrators to project a decent chunk of income - even if it's in the future.

Whenever it happens, and it is a matter of when not if...it will be a horrible painful process for that club. There is no other way.

[Prof. Shaggy]

Nail, meet head.

Read this from brokeback, most of them are content with what's happened. Wouldn't change it. Still think Vlads amazin.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/128098-if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now/

On your way to Hampden last May, if some Faustian geezer had come up you and proposed a deal: take a beating today - a real bad beating - and in return they'll be dead within the year.

Wouldn't you just have bitten his hand off?

[Winston Ingram]

So the most likely scenario is Ukio admins taking the stadium and getting what they can for it and Ubig admins taking whatever FOH can raise towards a CVA proposal.
Hearts saved but in Div 1 and with no stadium?
I could handle that.

Surely not their list of IOU's?

[Springbank]

The difference between hearts fans and Dunfermline/Rangers fans is that hearts fans knew exactly what was happening from the start and decided to go with it for the sake of a couple of Scottish cups and the promise of champions league football. The time to protest would of been about 7 or 8 years ago when the cracks started showing, not now. This is why I want them to die so much. Since Romanov took over they have not wasted any time in getting it right up us after every tainted derby and cup win, in full knowledge that it was false all along. **** them, no mercy.

Absolutely fair summary

[bigwheel]

On your way to Hampden last May, if some Faustian geezer had come up you and proposed a deal: take a beating today - a real bad beating - and in return they'll be dead within the year.

Wouldn't you just have bitten his hand off?


I would have.....Karma is wonderful thing..... :wink:

[Capt Mainwaring]

Isn't it strange that there have been no protests outside Tynecastle this week, or during this whole remarkable recent episode. Even Dunfermline had that, and the Rangers fans were there regularly. Do they not care? Do they feel the board have done nothing wrong? Can anyone explain why the fans are not up in arms over this dripping death of their club....I can't understand why they aren't furious and seeking to make some demands...

Absolutely spot on. The Hearts Board ( including the perceived "Good Guy" David Southern) should be prosecuted for criminal neglect of their Directorship responsibilities. Utter shambles of a club and they way their financial affairs have been mismanaged and the Jams are prepare to accept the position because they've won 2 Scottish cups under the Romanov regime

However not to worry they only owe the debt to themselves apparently so no big deal.

[rcarter1]

What about this for a comment (JKB of course):

"Can I be controversial and say the spl is not surviving without rangers. It's scrapping by. Is anyone apart from Inverness and Motherwell looking forward to them in Europe representing Scottish football.

I think this is why people are saying the spl can't survive losing hearts and rangers. The brand is damaged and is losing value every year rangers aren't in it. Losing hearts, Aberdeen or even hibs would weaken it further.

I'm not saying rangers should have been put straight back into the spl nor am I saying hearts shouldn't be relegated.

That being said I have been off the opinion for years now that the spl should have been restructured based on value not merit. The clubs with the biggest crowds. Yes elitism but done so to protect the brand. A brand that is now only worth what is worth for celtic, hearts, hibs, Aberdeen and the Dundee derbies. "

The bold bit can only be the utterings of W Mercer from beyond the grave.

The next bit is just funny..

"Genuine question if we get the deduction now and we get relegated, what sort of deduction would we get next season if the wrangling in Lithuania is sorted out and we we have to start paying back debt at a greater rate (tbh I'm clueless on this front as I've struggled to follow it)

Second point what happens if we stay up get a points deduction to start off then the above scenario occurs does that mean a double deduction or does it group into the same thing as it is during the same season? "

[bighairyfaeleith]

stick money on Aberdeen tomorrow I reckon, no way hearts want to accumulate any more points

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Isn't it strange that there have been no protests outside Tynecastle this week, or during this whole remarkable recent episode. Even Dunfermline had that, and the Rangers fans were there regularly. Do they not care? Do they feel the board have done nothing wrong? Can anyone explain why the fans are not up in arms over this dripping death of their club....I can't understand why they aren't furious and seeking to make some demands...

Its too late now, what a shame! :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

So after a few dozen pages has anything of note actually happened today? :cb

[Dashing Bob S]

A lot of folks wondering why there are no protests in Gorgie about the current Hearts plight.

Well, my take is that it's hard for anybody to protest against their own idiocy. Those clowns bought into this nonsense and it's this nonsense that is currently ramming them big time.

Yes, there are still some pathetic specimens on Kickback who insist on continually poking electrical power sockets with safety pins and wondering why their arm is in paralysis.

However, most Los Yambolinos had an overdose on hubris and now can do and say absolutely nothing at all.

And that sound of silence, of vacant, posturing, slavering idiots finally saying nothing, well, that's the sweetest music of all.

[Phil D. Rolls]

On your way to Hampden last May, if some Faustian geezer had come up you and proposed a deal: take a beating today - a real bad beating - and in return they'll be dead within the year.

Wouldn't you just have bitten his hand off?

One of those "crossroads" moments.

I prefer to think I'd have told this bloke to do one. Supposing he had offered us the cup, if we accepted what's happened to them?

Nah, only idiots do deals with Vlad and Faust.

[NOLA]

stick money on Aberdeen tomorrow I reckon, no way hearts want to accumulate any more points
ive got aberdeen/dundee double, bomber broon will have the peh men steaming into tackles no surrender style, as much as our players want to win i reckon some will bottle the tackles, noone wants to miss the final now, get through the game unscathed and thats a good result.

[Sergey]

A lot of folks wondering why there are no protests in Gorgie about the current Hearts plight.

Well, my take is that it's hard for anybody to protest against their own idiocy. Those clowns bought into this nonsense and it's this nonsense that is currently ramming them big time.

Yes, there are still some pathetic specimens on Kickback who insist on continually poking electrical power sockets with safety pins and wondering why their arm is in paralysis.

However, most Los Yambolinos had an overdose on hubris and now can do and say absolutely nothing at all.

And that sound of silence, of vacant, posturing, slavering idiots finally saying nothing, well, that's the sweetest music of all.

How very, very true, DBS.

To simply sit back and watch them in their final death-throws without the merest whimper of disdain or displeasure speaks absolute volumes of how far that bunch of so-called supporters have sunk.

For them - the war is well and truly over and their McCrae's Battalion lot must be turning in their graves in shame.

[heid the baw]

An interesting article on Celtic Quick News (bear with me) looking at infrastructure costs of Sevco in 2012.

It brings into sharp focus the yam predicament even if they do survive. The ostriches seem to believe they are miraculously self sufficient and that think losing a few more high earning players will make everything barry. If only life was that simple.

I would imagine that even if take the figures here and scale them down, it still makes the over-simplistic yakonomics look laughable. FoH back of fag packet sums based on pledges ect are wholly unrealistic.

The article also gives an insight into the plate spinning the tache and other chairman like Brown, McGregor, Cameron, Thomson ect have to deal with.

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=12867

[Caversham Green]

Are Ubig and Ukio both secured creditors? Will they have a vote on a potential CVA?


On this and your subsequent discussion, my understanding (although I might be wrong) is that both UBIG and Ukio hold securities over HoMFC's assets. Ukio's is a first claim on a specified amount of £6.8m plus interest and charges (this raises further questions about the fact that the debt itself is £15m and HoMFC are actually paying the interest, but that's a whole new can of pigeons) and UBIG's is a blanket one over the rest.

That takes both out of any CVA vote and leaves nothing for ordinary creditors unless they can get some mug to put up a whack of cash to buy the club. If that happened and they managed to persuade the ordinary creditors (probably dominated by HMRC) to accept a CVA, the debts and securities would remain in place unless a deal could also be done with the administrators of both companies. Liquidation seems far more likely to me.

[greiggy]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.

[greiggy]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.

Sorry cant work the system here. This was in response to the earlier post suggesting we would accept last years 5-1 in return for hearts demise. Absolute bollx.

[LancsHibs]

On your way to Hampden last May, if some Faustian geezer had come up you and proposed a deal: take a beating today - a real bad beating - and in return they'll be dead within the year.

Wouldn't you just have bitten his hand off?

Only if I could have a guarantee of knocking them out of the cup within the same year......
Oh hang on a minute:wink::thumbsup:

[heid the baw]

No posts in years.... then 2 on the bounce.
Welcome back Grieggy

[Iwastherein73]

I think we should copy the English example and sing Abide with me before the final _ we could dedicate it to our Georgie chums

[greiggy]

No posts in years.... then 2 on the bounce.
Welcome back Grieggy

I'm on fire. That's three!

[Ozyhibby]

On this and your subsequent discussion, my understanding (although I might be wrong) is that both UBIG and Ukio hold securities over HoMFC's assets. Ukio's is a first claim on a specified amount of £6.8m plus interest and charges (this raises further questions about the fact that the debt itself is £15m and HoMFC are actually paying the interest, but that's a whole new can of pigeons) and UBIG's is a blanket one over the rest.

That takes both out of any CVA vote and leaves nothing for ordinary creditors unless they can get some mug to put up a whack of cash to buy the club. If that happened and they managed to persuade the ordinary creditors (probably dominated by HMRC) to accept a CVA, the debts and securities would remain in place unless a deal could also be done with the administrators of both companies. Liquidation seems far more likely to me.

That's the kind of reply I was looking for. :-)

[TariqE]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.

I understand what you're saying. But would argue that we have been DIRECT victims of their actions.

I'll retain my partizan attitude and say, "**** them. When it happens, I will laugh"

[Saorsa]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.20 odd years ago they thought it would be better, **** h****s


Love Hibs, hate h****s and if that makes me bitter I can live with it

[PapillonVert]

How very, very true, DBS.

To simply sit back and watch them in their final death-throws without the merest whimper of disdain or displeasure speaks absolute volumes of how far that bunch of so-called supporters have sunk.

For them - the war is well and truly over and their McCrae's Battalion lot must be turning in their graves in shame.

But, oh my giddy aunt, did we not on countless occasions try to tell them about the whole folly of what was happening? And how they mocked us and told us that when they were competing with the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man U how easy it would be to forget they ever had a rivalry with the wee team and how they'd moved on bla bla bla

Yeah, right.

HMFC - you're getting what's coming and, hey, no-one deserves it more.

[jabis]

I'm on fire. That's three!

jeezo,I wish you would shut up :greengrin

[s.a.m]

I understand what you're saying. But would argue that we have been DIRECT victims of their actions.

I'll retain my partizan attitude and say, "**** them. When it happens, I will laugh"

:agree: I'm up for a bit of parochial bitterness too. This hasn't been a 'victim-free' crime, either on the football front or the financial one. Dishonest means have been used to gain competitive advantage, and how they've lapped it up and revelled in it.

[Baldy Foghorn]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.

I am a Hibs supporter, I despise Hertz, have done since my first derby in 1983, I've put up with them shouting guff, from that day onwards. Nobody is to blame for their situation but themselves, they were happy to be fed crap from Vlad, and thought he was the bees knees.....Now the recklessness of his "game", is coming home to roost......Unhappy? No I will do a victory dance on their grave.......The quicker they are obsolete the better I will feel......

[Saorsa]

I am a Hibs supporter, I despise Hertz, have done since my first derby in 1983, I've put up with them shouting guff, from that day onwards. Nobody is to blame for their situation but themselves, they were happy to be fed crap from Vlad, and thought he was the bees knees.....Now the recklessness of his "game", is coming home to roost......Unhappy? No I will do a victory dance on their grave.......The quicker they are obsolete the better I will feel......get in the queue :wink:

[rcarter1]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.

Agree with the sentiment that life is actually more fun with Hearts and Rangers to be the bad guys. However they shouldnt be able to slide out of their financial puddle unscathed.

[s.a.m]

A lot of folks wondering why there are no protests in Gorgie about the current Hearts plight.

Well, my take is that it's hard for anybody to protest against their own idiocy. Those clowns bought into this nonsense and it's this nonsense that is currently ramming them big time.

Yes, there are still some pathetic specimens on Kickback who insist on continually poking electrical power sockets with safety pins and wondering why their arm is in paralysis.

However, most Los Yambolinos had an overdose on hubris and now can do and say absolutely nothing at all.

And that sound of silence, of vacant, posturing, slavering idiots finally saying nothing, well, that's the sweetest music of all.

Poetry, Bob.
Both insightful and lyrical.:aok:

[s.a.m]

Agree with the sentiment that life is actually more fun with Hearts and Rangers to be the bad guys. However they shouldnt be able to slide out of their financial puddle unscathed.

I'm thinking 'swamp' works better here. Or 'stagnant ditch-water'. Or 'sewer'. :dunno:

[greiggy]

So let me get this straight. My scenario is winning last year against our biggest rivals and the dominating for the years to come. You guys prefer we lose 5-1 and then we never have any derbies going forward? Your scenario is the better one? i may be thicker than a whale omelette but that can't be right. ****, that's four last ever posts. I'll go to bed now.

[ScottB]

Thing is, if we'd won the cup last year, they'd probably already be dead.

Take away the prize money, the euro tie, the season ticket sales, merchandise, boost it gave to their bake sales etc and I doubt they'd still be staggering on.


Their demise will be sweet, no mistake, it doesn't make up for last years disaster though, but it'll sure take the edge off it!

[Saorsa]

So let me get this straight. My scenario is winning last year against our biggest rivals and the dominating for the years to come. You guys prefer we lose 5-1 and then we never have any derbies going forward? Your scenario is the better one? i may be thicker than a whale omelette but that can't be right. ****, that's four last ever posts. I'll go to bed now.I'm no interested in your scenario, it never happened. They've cheated for years and now it's time tae pay the piper. Good riddance tae bad ****in' rubbish as far as I'm concerned.

[rcarter1]

I'm thinking 'swamp' works better here. Or 'stagnant ditch-water'. Or 'sewer'. :dunno:

:agree: Or 'blackhole' or 'cesspit'.

I would trade however a miraculous get out of jail for them if we were guarenteed a 10-0. :cb

[Purehibee_MYB]

Thing is, if we'd won the cup last year, they'd probably already be dead.

Take away the prize money, the euro tie, the season ticket sales, merchandise, boost it gave to their bake sales etc and I doubt they'd still be staggering on.


Their demise will be sweet, no mistake, it doesn't make up for last years disaster, but it'll sure take the edge off it!

Ah but you're forgetting the great success that is FoH :agree:

[Springbank]

Remind me, are FoH the Gorgie People's Front? Or the People's Front of Gorgie? Which one steals the charity money?

[greenpaper55]

Check this out from flumpback

StanLaurel, on 17 May 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:
Is there still time to vote through a 14 team SPL for next season? Seriously though, we have a pish product up here as it is and an SPL without Rangers and Hearts is hardly going to make the TV companies happy.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that teams such as Aberdeen, Utd and Killie will end up falling into administration too and go to Division 1.

Hibs seem to think they're immune from financial problems. With falling crowds and a debt they'll never trade their way out of, it's only a matter of time before they're in trouble too.



Spot on - Hibs were in Financial **** last season too, if they never got to the cup final it would've been real amusing. This was also why they sold derby tickets to us direct and spouted pi5h that they never trusted getting the money from us selling them, that was **** - they needed hard cash then and there.
With their pi55y crowds at the Lego stadium they will eventually go under http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/default/devilish.gif

Regarding the SPL jokers - watch the house of cards continue to fall. When the vote us out and we end up debt free in the first division, watch the conversations take place where the TV company say lets negotiate AGAIN as now NO OF or Edinburgh derbys http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/default/deal2.gif

Jeeeesus H Christ you just could not make this up if you tried .

[Jack Hackett]

get in the queue :wink:

No need for a queue....we can organize a line dance

:nanafunk::nanafunk::nanafunk::nanafunk:

[Baldy Foghorn]

get in the queue :wink:

DD, I baggsy'd first dibs, I am at front of that queue......:greengrin

[EdinMike]

DD, I baggsy'd first dibs, I am at front of that queue......:greengrin

I suggest a nice day out to Gorgie Farm, with an after party in The Diggers :aok:

[Winston Ingram]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.

If they hit administration for overspending on the scale of say, Dunfermline, then fair enough and as much as I hate them I'd agree with you.

However, this was ridiculous and obvious cheating which wasn't only not questioned, it was celebrated.

On top of that, it created a new breed of Jambo. Prior to Romanov they pretty much accepted they were just an SPL club. There was arrogance over us due to their derby record but tbf it was difficult to argue with.

When Romanov arrived, the all of a sudden they thought they were some super club.

400k fans, 'we are unbeatable', 'big team', split the Old Firm, we'll sign 2 World Cup players in the summer etc. They started talking about bidding for unsettled EPL players & actually believing it.

Last summer their wage bill went from £8.1 to £9.4m. Sutton, Hamill, Grainger, Skacel, Taouil, etc were all signed on big money & 1 month after the window closed they failed to pay them for a number of months. Then he following window, they outbid St Mirren & other clubs for Beattie & also extended Skacel's deals. 2 weeks later failed to pay the players again.

The derby will be a loss, but there is a bigger picture here. We can't have clubs cheating to this level and getting away with it.

[ScottB]

DD, I baggsy'd first dibs, I am at front of that queue......:greengrin

Forget dancing, if they hand out some tools we could do the demolition job on the Bus Shelter for free! :wink:

[s.a.m]

If they hit administration for overspending on the scale of say, Dunfermline, then fair enough and as much as I hate them I'd agree with you.

However, this was ridiculous and obvious cheating which wasn't only not questioned, it was celebrated.

On top of that, it created a new breed of Jambo. Prior to Romanov they pretty much accepted they were just an SPL club. There was arrogance over us due to their derby record but tbf it was difficult to argue with.

When Romanov arrived, the all of a sudden they thought they were some super club.

400k fans, 'we are unbeatable', 'big team', split the Old Firm, we'll sign 2 World Cup players in the summer etc. They started talking about bidding for unsettled EPL players & actually believing it.

Last summer their wage bill went from £8.1 to £9.4m. Sutton, Hamill, Grainger, Skacel, Taouil, etc were all signed on big money & 1 month after the window closed they failed to pay them for a number of months. Then he following window, they outbid St Mirren & other clubs for Beattie & also extended Skacel's deals. 2 weeks later failed to pay the players again.

The derby will be a loss, but there is a bigger picture here. We can't have clubs cheating to this level and getting away with it.

Quite.

[Sir David Gray]

If they hit administration for overspending on the scale of say, Dunfermline, then fair enough and as much as I hate them I'd agree with you.

However, this was ridiculous and obvious cheating which wasn't only not questioned, it was celebrated.

On top of that, it created a new breed of Jambo. Prior to Romanov they pretty much accepted they were just an SPL club. There was arrogance over us due to their derby record but tbf it was difficult to argue with.

When Romanov arrived, the all of a sudden they thought they were some super club.

400k fans, 'we are unbeatable', 'big team', split the Old Firm, we'll sign 2 World Cup players in the summer etc. They started talking about bidding for unsettled EPL players & actually believing it.

Last summer their wage bill went from £8.1 to £9.4m. Sutton, Hamill, Grainger, Skacel, Taouil, etc were all signed on big money & 1 month after the window closed they failed to pay them for a number of months. Then he following window, they outbid St Mirren & other clubs for Beattie & also extended Skacel's deals. 2 weeks later failed to pay the players again.

The derby will be a loss, but there is a bigger picture here. We can't have clubs cheating to this level and getting away with it.

Spot on.

[greiggy]

Thank you winston. Accept your points and I do believe a season or two of purgatory is definitely on the cards and more than justified for the reasons you mention. But going forward beyond that I'd prefer a league where we beat them on a regular basis than one where we have no big games other than Celtic. That was the point I am now wishing I hadn't bothered making.

[Cabbage East]

No one's saying we don't want a derby ever again. We're just saying look at the big picture, cheats must be punished. I live for the derby, but I'll cope without it fr a year or two while these beasts take their medicine.

[poolman]

Nail, meet head.

Read this from brokeback, most of them are content with what's happened. Wouldn't change it. Still think Vlads amazin.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/128098-if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now/


It'beyond belief what some of them are saying over there

One even said that if they died and never came back if would have been worth it

Worth what exactly ? Two tainted cup wins and **** all else

They deserve all they get,absolute roasters the lot of them

[Winston Ingram]

Thank you winston. Accept your points and I do believe a season or two of purgatory is definitely on the cards and more than justified for the reasons you mention. But going forward beyond that I'd prefer a league where we beat them on a regular basis than one where we have no big games other than Celtic. That was the point I am now wishing I hadn't bothered making.

So would I. I'm no even that hell bent on beating them. You have to lose a few derbies to enjoy the victories even more

I doubt there will be no big games, as if we finally start performing then big games will come with whoever is up near the top with us.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Thank you winston. Accept your points and I do believe a season or two of purgatory is definitely on the cards and more than justified for the reasons you mention. But going forward beyond that I'd prefer a league where we beat them on a regular basis than one where we have no big games other than Celtic. That was the point I am now wishing I hadn't bothered making.

Your point I reckon is shared by a large number of hibees and I understand your point of view, however for me the absolute belief by hearts fans in what has been happening means they deserve to die as far as I am concerned

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[Libby Hibby]

Thank you winston. Accept your points and I do believe a season or two of purgatory is definitely on the cards and more than justified for the reasons you mention. But going forward beyond that I'd prefer a league where we beat them on a regular basis than one where we have no big games other than Celtic. That was the point I am now wishing I hadn't bothered making.

Greiggy, I might be mistaken but why are you pretending to of a Hibs mind? A good, frank and honest debate with decent Hearts fans are welcomed on here, please, just write what you feel as a Hearts fan and be done with it rather than this charade.

[poolman]

What about this for a comment (JKB of course):

"Can I be controversial and say the spl is not surviving without rangers. It's scrapping by. Is anyone apart from Inverness and Motherwell looking forward to them in Europe representing Scottish football.

I think this is why people are saying the spl can't survive losing hearts and rangers. The brand is damaged and is losing value every year rangers aren't in it. Losing hearts, Aberdeen or even hibs would weaken it further.

I'm not saying rangers should have been put straight back into the spl nor am I saying hearts shouldn't be relegated.

That being said I have been off the opinion for years now that the spl should have been restructured based on value not merit. The clubs with the biggest crowds. Yes elitism but done so to protect the brand. A brand that is now only worth what is worth for celtic, hearts, hibs, Aberdeen and the Dundee derbies. "

The bold bit can only be the utterings of W Mercer from beyond the grave.

The next bit is just funny..

"Genuine question if we get the deduction now and we get relegated, what sort of deduction would we get next season if the wrangling in Lithuania is sorted out and we we have to start paying back debt at a greater rate (tbh I'm clueless on this front as I've struggled to follow it)

Second point what happens if we stay up get a points deduction to start off then the above scenario occurs does that mean a double deduction or does it group into the same thing as it is during the same season? "


He's absolutely spot on

At one point he mentioned he was clueless

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If they hit administration for overspending on the scale of say, Dunfermline, then fair enough and as much as I hate them I'd agree with you.

However, this was ridiculous and obvious cheating which wasn't only not questioned, it was celebrated.

On top of that, it created a new breed of Jambo. Prior to Romanov they pretty much accepted they were just an SPL club. There was arrogance over us due to their derby record but tbf it was difficult to argue with.

When Romanov arrived, the all of a sudden they thought they were some super club.

400k fans, 'we are unbeatable', 'big team', split the Old Firm, we'll sign 2 World Cup players in the summer etc. They started talking about bidding for unsettled EPL players & actually believing it.

Last summer their wage bill went from £8.1 to £9.4m. Sutton, Hamill, Grainger, Skacel, Taouil, etc were all signed on big money & 1 month after the window closed they failed to pay them for a number of months. Then he following window, they outbid St Mirren & other clubs for Beattie & also extended Skacel's deals. 2 weeks later failed to pay the players again.

The derby will be a loss, but there is a bigger picture here. We can't have clubs cheating to this level and getting away with it.

This is a perfect summary of the situation and also why I want them dead ASAP!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Greiggy, I might be mistaken but why are you pretending to of a Hibs mind? A good, frank and honest debate with decent Hearts fans are welcomed on here, please, just write what you feel as a Hearts fan and be done with it rather than this charade.

Well said LH, I was beginning to think the boy had slipped under the radar! :sofa:

[poolman]

That is ridiculous. No. I'd rather we'd won the cup, become the better team in derbies long into the future, and in both aspects we'd all be feeling much better. Take away the derbies and, for the matter, rangers games, then the excitement does diminish somewhat. The gloating since last May has been hard to take but not to the extent I'd see them removed from the map. Why an Edinburgh football fan would think that will make what we watch every week better and more interesting I just don't get. Why don't we get rid of Celtic too then it'll be a really great league. Parochial bitter nonsense. First post in years. Probably last.


Suits me if its your last post

[blackpoolhibs]

Can i just state for the benefit of any doubt, i want them dead. I want them to die and lay in their stinking pish, their ground sold to a property developer and the place flattened with nice new houses built on the land.

Did i also mention i want them dead? I would bury them next to mercer so they could fester together.

[greiggy]

Well said LH, I was beginning to think the boy had slipped under the radar! :sofa:

What a load of *****e. Because I don't want them to 'die' means I'm a jambo. Have a word. We can go through the "I'm a bigger hibbie cause blah blah blah" but I've had 40 years of ups and more often downs watching the hibees so fek off with that bollx. No one wants to see a victory for the hibees next week more than me.

[Thecat23]

What a load of *****e. Because I don't want them to 'die' means I'm a jambo. Have a word. We can go through the "I'm a bigger hibbie cause blah blah blah" but I've had 40 years of ups and more often downs watching the hibees so fek off with that bollx. No one wants to see a victory for the hibees next week more than me.

You have to admit though. You don't post for 2 years and its on the thread of hearts going bust you decide too. Not only that you are wanting them to be saved! Can't blame folk for thinking you are a yam. Out of all the threads over the months why pick this out of interest? I'm not saying you are a yam by the way. But that also doesn't mean I believe you're a Hibby.

[green day]

Can i just state for the benefit of any doubt, i want them dead. I want them to die and lay in their stinking pish, their ground sold to a property developer and the place flattened with nice new houses built on the land.

Did i also mention i want them dead? I would bury them next to mercer so they could fester together.

Aye, ditto - but my worry is that all the news outlets seem to be saying "its not been ratified by a court" or words to that effect. I just think it feels like they will end up same as those individual CVA cases - ie rack up loadsa debt, get it legally written off and carry on as before.

Makes me sick, but that is what I can see happening. A wounded club, but with 3 Scottish cups bought on someone elses credit card.

Hate them, hate the concept of them, want them erased from the field of sport forever.

[Platinum Scotty]

What a load of *****e. Because I don't want them to 'die' means I'm a jambo. Have a word. We can go through the "I'm a bigger hibbie cause blah blah blah" but I've had 40 years of ups and more often downs watching the hibees so fek off with that bollx. No one wants to see a victory for the hibees next week more than me.

Yeah yeah..........have a look at your terminology......you seem more like a poor translation of what a hibby would say at times!

If you are a 40 year vetran I apologise but you seem rather dubious!

[cabbageandribs1875]

What a load of *****e. Because I don't want them to 'die' means I'm a jambo. Have a word. We can go through the "I'm a bigger hibbie cause blah blah blah" but I've had 40 years of ups and more often downs watching the hibees so fek off with that bollx. No one wants to see a victory for the hibees next week more than me.



what about the rest of us :dunno:

[CabbageBoy]

No one wants to see a victory for the hibees next week more than me.

I think I do.

[greiggy]

You have to admit though. You don't post for 2 years and its on the thread of hearts going bust you decide too. Not only that you are wanting them to be saved! Can't blame folk for thinking you are a yam. Out of all the threads over the months why pick this out of interest? I'm not saying you are a yam by the way. But that also doesn't mean I believe you're a Hibby.

I give up. I dont have to admit. I'm really not a jambo. Good lord i want them to be saved. Tired of this. On another subject don't you think Texas sounded a lot like beautiful South on jools just now?