Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[GREEN WARLORD]

If anyone wants the truth* about The Gasman then leave a reply asking for a PM and I'll send it to you.




*made up nonsense

I'd like a PM please, lets see what their champion roaster is all about. I have a funny feeling The Gasman is full of hot air :greengrin

[Ferry Hibbee]

I'd like a PM please, lets see what their champion roaster is all about. I have a funny feeling The Gasman is full of hot air :greengrin
I'd appreciate a PM too.

[IWasThere2016]

Tick Tock..

[GreenLake]

Hope it eases up! I am about to fly to San Fran this morning and then drive round the area for 3 weeks. Fingers crossed for a quiet time stateside and a nightmare time for that lot at Gorgie!!

You need to find a hibs ex-pat up there to see the game. It's at 4.45AM on Fox Soccer Plus and it's not likely you will get that channel in your hotel. Try to hook up with a hibby in SF before you go. I doubt any bars will be open then to show it, but I am not from SF and there might be some British pubs showing it. Failing all that, hibernian tv will show the video stream to foreign lands (not the xtra channel that shows home games). It will be under live game link on hibernian tv page then you press the button that says continue.

Try Nepenthe or Post Ranch inn for eating if you travel down to Big Sur which is a very interesting Scottish like place in California.

Sausalito is a nice day trip out of the city.

Embarcadero and Tenderloin is where everyone heads and so should you, but there is more, much more for eating, drinking and celebrating the approaching Jambo doom.

Use http://www.livesoccertv.com to find out what games are being shown while you are here(remember to set the time to PST)! :greengrin

[GreenLake]

Felt it in Burbank, not as bad as a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, that one was short but jolty. This was more of a long grinding hump than a quick bang.

[Platinum Scotty]

You need to find a hibs ex-pat up there to see the game. It's at 4.45AM on Fox Soccer Plus and it's not likely you will get that channel in your hotel. Try to hook up with a hibby in SF before you go. I doubt any bars will be open then to show it, but I am not from SF and there might be some British pubs showing it. Failing all that, hibernian tv will show the video stream to foreign lands (not the xtra channel that shows home games). It will be under live game link on hibernian tv page then you press the button that says continue.

Try Nepenthe or Post Ranch inn for eating if you travel down to Big Sur which is a very interesting Scottish like place in California.

Sausalito is a nice day trip out of the city.

Embarcadero and Tenderloin is where everyone heads and so should you, but there is more, much more for eating, drinking and celebrating the approaching Jambo doom.

Use http://www.livesoccertv.com to find out what games are being shown while you are here(remember to set the time to PST)! :greengrin

Thanks - am already at the airport so will see how things look when I land but thanks for the head up - am doing a driving tour so will hopefully be able to take in a couple of the suggestions

[hibbypostie]

I'd appreciate a PM too.


can I get on too Baj:aok:

and Sergay if you are just making I up can you please make me up tonights Lotto numbers as your so called guessing seems pretty good to me http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/not%20worthy.gif

[Zondervan]

To all viewing Yams - read this and weep.



http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/467525/Lithuanian-silence-puts-Hearts-rescue-package-in-doubt

Here is Edinbvrgh Pravda's version of events.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-cva-still-in-sight-despite-further-delay-1-3357754


All is good, it seems..........!

[legends of 73]

You need to find a hibs ex-pat up there to see the game. It's at 4.45AM on Fox Soccer Plus and it's not likely you will get that channel in your hotel. Try to hook up with a hibby in SF before you go. I doubt any bars will be open then to show it, but I am not from SF and there might be some British pubs showing it. Failing all that, hibernian tv will show the video stream to foreign lands (not the xtra channel that shows home games). It will be under live game link on hibernian tv page then you press the button that says continue.

Try Nepenthe or Post Ranch inn for eating if you travel down to Big Sur which is a very interesting Scottish like place in California.

Sausalito is a nice day trip out of the city.

Embarcadero and Tenderloin is where everyone heads and so should you, but there is more, much more for eating, drinking and celebrating the approaching Jambo doom.

Use http://www.livesoccertv.com to find out what games are being shown while you are here(remember to set the time to PST)! :greengrin


The last time I was in San Fran a pub called The mad dog in the fog showed hibs games for a small fee might be worth giving them a bell. I know they show all the English premiership games live so you might get lucky

[Viva_Palmeiras]

To all viewing Yams - read this and weep.



http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/467525/Lithuanian-silence-puts-Hearts-rescue-package-in-doubt

So the Liths won't Budge?

Bit of trivia - a Simon Lithman went down with the titanic. Edinburgh address too...

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-victim/simon-kutscher-lithman.html

[macca70]

To all viewing Yams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2dhD9zR6hk&sns=em

[Jack]

Here is Edinbvrgh Pravda's version of events.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-cva-still-in-sight-despite-further-delay-1-3357754


All is good, it seems..........!

Mentions again "The Ubig meeting is due to be held on Monday,
7 April."

Are we sure there's nothing publicly available calling for folks to stake a claim?

[Hibrandenburg]

They mock Sergey on keekback but have a look at this post from one of their financial "experts"

Posted Today, 17:30
"If people are being obstructive then compulsory purchase it" :faf:

WTF are they on?.

Plan B Nationalisation?

[Kaiser1962]

It's all getting to them. Deep down they know what they are.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/138546-hibs-fans-something-to-celebrate-at-last/


It certainly appears to be the case. Deflection and denial.

FWIW Hibs losing football matches. even to them, is not the worst thing that has ever happened to me and if it was I would have dumped Hibs some 30 years ago.

If. however, Hibernian had conducted themselves in the manner that Hearts have, along with the disrespectful and disparaging comments of their supporters aimed at others whose only mistake was to trust that they would honour their commitments and are now paying for their limited success, I would never return.

Poppies FFS.

[Fife-Hibee]

390 guests on here.

Hiya Jambos, hi there. :aok:

Whilst your looking on here in indignation trying to find someone to blame and making a big noise remember the noise you made when Vladimir Romanov was dismembering your club - it went like this, "yes, Mr Romanov, no Mr Romanov, three bags full Mr Romanov".

Everything that has happened to your club is the fault of those who welcomed him in and licked his boots: Lord Foulkes, Leslie Deans all the way down to that guy who fell down the stairs that night, that's who to blame.

Hope the cake baking goes well.

Great post ! Feel the pain jambos !!!

[greenpaper55]

More comedy gold from over YONDER , see who is going to the rescue !


"Lord Foulkes is in Lithuania for work. He has spoken to the UK ambassador who is going to tell them to get there act together... Can't paste what he actually said...... " :faf:

[Borderhibbie76]

Here is Edinbvrgh Pravda's version of events.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-cva-still-in-sight-despite-further-delay-1-3357754


All is good, it seems..........!

And once again the Hoots man and jambo Bathgate fail to deliver the truth and apparently #allisbarry. No mention of creditors wanting more money?? What a joke of a rag!!

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[DaveF]

And once again the Hoots man and jambo Bathgate fail to deliver the truth and apparently #allisbarry. No mention of creditors wanting more money?? What a joke of a rag!!

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Is that the case though? You could certainly make that assumption based on Saliou Banks intervention but all we have to date is the issue was related to 'technical detail'.

Whatever that may be......

[Weststandwanab]

More comedy gold from over YONDER , see who is going to the rescue !


"Lord Foulkes is in Lithuania for work. He has spoken to the UK ambassador who is going to tell them to get there act together... Can't paste what he actually said...... " :faf:

Must be one of the last kicks of the ball.


Is that the case though? You could certainly make that assumption based on Saliou Banks intervention but all we have to date is the issue was related to 'technical detail'.

Whatever that may be...... They want more money.

[Niffy]

It certainly appears to be the case. Deflection and denial.

FWIW Hibs losing football matches. even to them, is not the worst thing that has ever happened to me and if it was I would have dumped Hibs some 30 years ago.

If. however, Hibernian had conducted themselves in the manner that Hearts have, along with the disrespectful and disparaging comments of their supporters aimed at others whose only mistake was to trust that they would honour their commitments and are now paying for their limited success, I would never return.

Poppies FFS.

Good call.

[Geo_1875]

Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

[Waxy]

Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

We helped a crook steal millions of pounds from your people but please let us away with it.

[Weststandwanab]

Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

And we that des not work do they try Obama ?

What they need is divine intervention.

Come on St. Mirren.

[Bostonhibby]

More comedy gold from over YONDER , see who is going to the rescue !


"Lord Foulkes is in Lithuania for work. He has spoken to the UK ambassador who is going to tell them to get there act together... Can't paste what he actually said...... " :faf:



Work? I wonder if there's free food drink and expenses involved? :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

The UK ambassador who represents the UK government whose tax money the yam spent on inflated wages they couldn't afford whilst the rest of us paid our taxes? :crazy:

Strange behaviour for a government official to proactively do anything to support a foreign owned business that kept UK based charities money.

[Geo_1875]

The UK ambassador who represents the UK government whose tax money the yam spent on inflated wages they couldn't afford whilst the rest of us paid our taxes? :crazy:

Strange behaviour for a government official to proactively do anything to support a foreign owned business that kept UK based charities money.

No quotes so they probably made it up.

[jacomo]

Is that the case though? You could certainly make that assumption based on Saliou Banks intervention but all we have to date is the issue was related to 'technical detail'.

Whatever that may be......

Is it likely that BDO have overlooked something, having pushed so hard to get the CVA through? 'Technical detail' sounds like a cover for something else, but we shall see.

[Bostonhibby]

No quotes so they probably made it up.

:agree: unless someone from the Scottish political establishment has been "intervening" so the UK government feels obliged to do something to keep up appearances.

[Mikey]

Here is Edinbvrgh Pravda's version of events.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-cva-still-in-sight-despite-further-delay-1-3357754


All is good, it seems..........!

We can tuck this bit away and refer back to it in May. No doubt they'll still be telling us that all is ok then!......


Any further delay beyond the end of April would have more serious consequences than yesterday’s postponement, as BDO would be in danger of running out of funds. If and when the CVA is completed, BDO could conclude the sale of the club to the Foundation of Hearts.

[Ronniekirk]

Must be one of the last kicks of the ball.

They want more money.
But that appears to be only a minor technicality ,nothing that can't be quickly sorted by issuing a new memorandum of understanding ,as someone has obviously not understood the previous ones .
BJ can't have done that good a job out there if he left some minor technical detail unresolved that's resulted in yet another temporary delay in pursuit of the holy grail that they still can't acknowledge ,The Frozen Shares.
Could be that some across there are wondering why this particular part of Romanovs Empire are being bumped up the Pecking Order by Budgie and her hangers on .There must be some with Integrity that are now starting to question this rubber stamping ,green for go process and rightly asking why is this getting precedence and why the rush , and realising maybe there is something to be gained at thier end by putting a fly in the ointment .Once they receive the Technical Detail they need ,they might persuade others this iis an attempt by Hearts at further cheating and creditors are being shafted .
What we do know is that January has become February has become Marxh ,has become April and now they are saying May.The common denominator is that it keeps getting pushed back Very Pleasing Indeed:wink:

[Ronniekirk]

Is it likely that BDO have overlooked something, having pushed so hard to get the CVA through? 'Technical detail' sounds like a cover for something else, but we shall see.

Technical detail could of course mean what kind of Biscuits are on offer at the meeting and we are all reading far too Mutch into it :wink:

[itslegaltender]

More comedy gold from over YONDER , see who is going to the rescue !


"Lord Foulkes is in Lithuania for work. He has spoken to the UK ambassador who is going to tell them to get there act together... Can't paste what he actually said...... " :faf:



Think we should all let Foulkes know what we think of his latest tweet.

[Waxy]

Or the technical detail could be we'd like to get things through, but the law wont let us as this companys accounts are part of a criminal investigation.

[Onion]

Plan B Nationalisation?

I've no problem with the Yams moving to Lithuania :wink:

[Ronniekirk]

Think we should all let Foulkes know what we think of his latest tweet.

It's Gerrymandering of the highest Order Wonder if there is some way of finding out if Alex is also involved .Could be the next big Political Scandal ,the equivalent of Nixons watergate ..what is clear is that Polliticians are going beyond what you would think is required of them to save an Institution which they openly have emotional ties to . Is the Taxpayer footing the bill for these jaunts .If we vote yes in referendum are we suddenly going to find out we have already brokered business deals with Lithuania just to stop Hear7s going into Liquidation . Interesting times ahead

[itslegaltender]

It's Gerrymandering of the highest Order Wonder if there is some way of finding out if Alex is also involved .Could be the next big Political Scandal ,the equivalent of Nixons watergate ..what is clear is that Polliticians are going beyond what you would think is required of them to save an Institution which they openly have emotional ties to . Is the Taxpayer footing the bill for these jaunts .If we vote yes in referendum are we suddenly going to find out we have already brokered business deals with Lithuania just to stop Hear7s going into Liquidation . Interesting times ahead

More chance its the labour twosome of Murray and Foulkes calling up UK civil servants like the ambassador to Lithuania.

[Ronniekirk]

I've no problem with the Yams moving to Lithuania :wink:

:greengrin:wink::greengrin

[Onion]

The UK ambassador who represents the UK government whose tax money the yam spent on inflated wages they couldn't afford whilst the rest of us paid our taxes? :crazy:

Strange behaviour for a government official to proactively do anything to support a foreign owned business that kept UK based charities money.

Spot on, but when push comes to shove self interest and old pals act trumps decency and natural justice. Can only hope the Lith authorities have a greater sense of integrity and tell them to shove it.

[Nailrod]

Have to say that if I was a creditor I wouldn't be too happy about being offered £2.5 million for a hard asset that was being punted for over £20 million just a few years back.

I'd be looking at an Edinburgh property market that's recovering, and saying to myself "No chance..."

[greenginger]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/deal-secures-hearts-future-but-cash-may-run-out-1-3293216

Quote from BDO at the beginning of February.

" If negotiations stretch to April we will have to seek additional working capital. "

How far can they stretch their budget ? Anybody not getting paid ?

[Onion]

It's Gerrymandering of the highest Order Wonder if there is some way of finding out if Alex is also involved .Could be the next big Political Scandal ,the equivalent of Nixons watergate ..what is clear is that Polliticians are going beyond what you would think is required of them to save an Institution which they openly have emotional ties to . Is the Taxpayer footing the bill for these jaunts .If we vote yes in referendum are we suddenly going to find out we have already brokered business deals with Lithuania just to stop Hear7s going into Liquidation . Interesting times ahead

Need to remember there's a lot of personal positioning going on here. BDO, BJ, Foulkes, the press, politicians, Budge etc ALL have to appear to be doing what they can to save the Yams. If they go to the wall and BDO, Foulkes, etc have not been seen to make every effort to save them, they risk personal abuse and retribution from the raging hordes in Gorgie for years to come.

Yesterday was hugely significant. The reaction was predictable.

[truehibernian]

Need to remember there's a lot of personal positioning going on here. BDO, BJ, Foulkes, the press, politicians, Budge etc ALL have to appear to be doing what they can to save the Yams. If they go to the wall and BDO, Foulkes, etc have not been seen to make every effort to save them, they risk personal abuse and retribution from the raging hordes in Gorgie for years to come.

Yesterday was hugely significant. The reaction was predictable.

The whole saga has been predictable. Bad news must be followed immediately by 'promising news' or 'hope on the horizon'.

About as predictable as Fatty Foulkes pashing himself after imbibing too much of the Ambassador's vodka and claiming the cost of new trousers as an expense.

[crewetollhibee]

We helped a crook steal millions of pounds from your people but please let us away with it.

Yeah please, a big [V]lad did it, then ran away.

[PatHead]

Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

Sounds like a condemned club making a last desperate appeal. They are doomed.

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/deal-secures-hearts-future-but-cash-may-run-out-1-3293216

Quote from BDO at the beginning of February.

" If negotiations stretch to April we will have to seek additional working capital. "

How far can they stretch their budget ? Anybody not getting paid ?

No chance they are not paying every bill including wages when due.
They were probably being cautious when they said that.

[BurghHibby]

If anyone wants the truth* about The Gasman then leave a reply asking for a PM and I'll send it to you.




*made up nonsense

I'd be grateful for a PM as well please

[Bostonhibby]

Spot on, but when push comes to shove self interest and old pals act trumps decency and natural justice. Can only hope the Lith authorities have a greater sense of integrity and tell them to shove it.

Indeed, has anyone got that picture of fatty crawling all over Vlad when he welcomed him as their saviour? Sure whoever he is now lunching with on the yam behalf might appreciate it!

[PatHead]

I'd be grateful for a PM as well please

and me.............please

[truehibernian]

It's typically ironic ( although that in itself is common amongst Hearts fans ) that a man who in his early political career attacked tax havens, now supports a club and a cause who avoided paying tax.

Stay off the whisky George there's a good chap.

[Islington Hibs]

Originally Posted by Geo_1875 View Post


Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

If true this is disgraceful and well beyond what is reasonable. It is clear that certain politicians will go to any lengths to try and save a disgraced bankrupt institution.

[PapillonVert]

The UK ambassador who represents the UK government whose tax money the yam spent on inflated wages they couldn't afford whilst the rest of us paid our taxes? :crazy:

Strange behaviour for a government official to proactively do anything to support a foreign owned business that kept UK based charities money.

Not just charities - the UK taxpayer is over £2 million out of the pocket due to the tax-dodging activities of HMFC. Not to mention the unpaid Council tax, police fees, rent to taxpayer-funded Heriot-Watt. The list goes on.

Someone should tell the UK ambassador he's paid to stick up for the UK taxpayer, not the tax dodgers!

Presumably, though, His Excellency will be politely told that things have to be done according to the rule of law, something a certain football club thinks doesn't apply to it.

[truehibernian]

Originally Posted by Geo_1875 View Post


Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

If true this is disgraceful and well beyond what is reasonable. It is clear that certain politicians will go to any lengths to try and save a disgraced bankrupt institution.

Do you not think the Lithuanian Ambassador has enough on his plate with Crimea, Ukraine and UN sanctions against Russia ?

Relax, the conversation will go along the lines of 'had some Scottish drunk asking about a team called Hearts by the way.........those caviar canapés are delicious by the way.....so anyway William (Hague) was telling me......'

He'll be humouring the diddery old pretend toff drunk !

[Spike Mandela]

The days where the 'little tin pot countries' tremble in fear at pressure from the mighty UK ambassador are long gone I fear.

[GreenLake]

It's typically ironic ( although that in itself is common amongst Hearts fans ) that a man who in his early political career attacked tax havens, now supports a club and a cause who avoided paying tax.

Stay off the whisky George there's a good chap.

Someone should ask him if today, rather than attacking tax havens, does he use them?

[fat freddy]

I'd be grateful for a PM as well please

I hate idle gossip but not as much as i hate being out of the loop so i'll have one too please.

[Weststandwanab]

It's Gerrymandering of the highest Order Wonder if there is some way of finding out if Alex is also involved .Could be the next big Political Scandal ,the equivalent of Nixons watergate ..what is clear is that Polliticians are going beyond what you would think is required of them to save an Institution which they openly have emotional ties to . Is the Taxpayer footing the bill for these jaunts .If we vote yes in referendum are we suddenly going to find out we have already brokered business deals with Lithuania just to stop Hear7s going into Liquidation . Interesting times ahead There will be no chance Big Eck will be involved in this and risk his life long ambition absolutely no chance.

More chance of me being Pope....tonight.



More chance its the labour twosome of Murray and Foulkes calling up UK civil servants like the ambassador to Lithuania. That is more credible. Bye Bye chaps your time is running out.


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/deal-secures-hearts-future-but-cash-may-run-out-1-3293216

Quote from BDO at the beginning of February.

" If negotiations stretch to April we will have to seek additional working capital. "

How far can they stretch their budget ? Anybody not getting paid ? F.O.H and Budgie


I'd be grateful for a PM as well please Me 2 please


Do you not think the Lithuanian Ambassador has enough on his plate with Crimea, Ukraine and UN sanctions against Russia ?

Relax, the conversation will go along the lines of 'had some Scottish drunk asking about a team called Hearts by the way.........those caviar canapés are delicious by the way.....so anyway William (Hague) was telling me......'

He'll be humouring the diddery old pretend toff drunk ! Just a touch

[GreenLake]

Originally Posted by Geo_1875 View Post


Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

If true this is disgraceful and well beyond what is reasonable. It is clear that certain politicians will go to any lengths to try and save a disgraced bankrupt institution.

Tax payers pay his wages and Hearts didn't pay their taxes. That is a scandal. What did he do for Portsmouth?

[CropleyWasGod]

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[GreenCastle]

Typical yam response... "can't wait to be debt free and fan owned"

No your not going to be DEBT FREE if you come through this - you have taken on another debt and will be still paying others back.

You won't be fan owned either - Budgie will be in control and that is far from fan ownership!

:rolleyes:

[Mikey]

Chaps and chapesses, there isn't a PM doing the rounds, it was just a joke :wink:

[GreenCastle]

Have a good friend organising a charity event shortly - emailed both Hibs and Hearts for possibly some tickets for games for the raffle...

Hibs email back yes -we can offer up to 8
Hearts - sorry we can't offer tickets ....we can offer you a signed shirt or ball...for 25 quid :faf::shocked:

BIG TEAM - more like TIGHT TEAM!

The club with no shame!

[Hibrandenburg]

Chaps and chapesses, there isn't a PM doing the rounds, it was just a joke :wink:

Can you errrr let me in on the errr joke too please? :wink:

[jacomo]

Chaps and chapesses, there isn't a PM doing the rounds, it was just a joke :wink:

It's amazing how mention of a PM - even when told it's total pash - gets people worked up.

If you need to know, Gasman is Sergey, who is also Bajillions, who is in fact a Jambo troll, so in reality Gasman is bang on the money. Clear?

[jacomo]

Have a good friend organising a charity event shortly - emailed both Hibs and Hearts for possibly some tickets for games for the raffle...

Hibs email back yes -we can offer up to 8
Hearts - sorry we can't offer tickets ....we can offer you a signed shirt or ball...for 25 quid :faf::shocked:

BIG TEAM - more like TIGHT TEAM!

The club with no shame!

Don't mock, that's £1 a signature. Could be a powerful new fundraising initiative if planned in the right way.

[Thecat23]

Hearts are a ****ing embarrassment. So is every single person connected to that horrible snide club. So pishy breaks gets folk to run along and beg to the Lith government to help his "poor little innocent club". Believe me they have bigger things on their plate right now and I'm sure he'll be told to **** right off!

The folk that lost their jobs the charities that were shafted over must be raging at all this. Were was the begging then? When real people earning a living and charities depending on money needed it? They were cut off and told "see ya."

Heart of Midlothian have became the laughing stock of football. The lowest of the low so to speak, hated by almost every club in Scotland with their bullying ways. Well it's game over, you are DYING, and I'll be just one of many happy Hibees when they do. Every hearts fan should be ashamed of that club, but just like the club itself they too have an attitude problem.

[truehibernian]

Someone should ask him if today, rather than attacking tax havens, does he use them?

Fortunately I'm nowhere near Twitter so crack on if you have an account - I seem to recall years ago he was pretty much ostracised from Islands that were known tax havens due his political verbal assault on them.

Mind he's a man who claimed expenses on property he inherited so don't expect a moral backbone.

[brog]

A wee message to H.M.Press

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Great stuff CWG. Everyone should read this blog. Just Ask!

[Gus Fring]

My source is telling me BDO are worried. Where before they have been pretty open and honest, now they are just giving the minimum of information. A couple of other staff tried to ask about the problems yesterday and we're told to concentrate on their work and leave this up to BDO.

He reckons the liths have now cottoned on to what's happening in terms of getting ripped off and are doing something about it. He believes the "lack of technical detail" is BDO not providing the proof that this is the best deal for the Lithuanian creditors. They want independent valuations and proof the club was advertised for sale correctly. Remember FOH wasn't the highest offer BDO gave a set date for providing proof of funding that turned out to be irrelevant. BDO's desire to get this done and dusted quickly has meant they've been wasting time since November. He reckons the liths think BDO should have been doing more to get more money rather than just taking the first offer. He says it's clear to him BDO have been caught up in the romance and ended working for Hearts rather than the creditors.

A few other notable things from the discussion:

BDO have asked them to be prepared to "go back to the well" to keep them afloat.

BDO's fees aren't up to date yet.

Staff are worried their jobs will go even if they do survive as it's been made clear Budge wants to cut cloth. She's not interested in football success, she just wants to keep the club afloat.

Prize Money will be used to pay the footballing debt first so that's not going to save them.

[Wakeyhibee]

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Quality blog CWG

[MoscowHibs]

If anyone wants the truth* about The Gasman then leave a reply asking for a PM and I'll send it to you.



*made up nonsense


Send me a pm please Baj

[GreenCastle]

My source is telling me BDO are worried. Where before they have been pretty open and honest, now they are just giving the minimum of information. A couple of other staff tried to ask about the problems yesterday and we're told to concentrate on their work and leave this up to BDO.

He reckons the liths have now cottoned on to what's happening in terms of getting ripped off and are doing something about it. He believes the "lack of technical detail" is BDO not providing the proof that this is the best deal for the Lithuanian creditors. They want independent valuations and proof the club was advertised for sale correctly. Remember FOH wasn't the highest offer BDO gave a set date for providing proof of funding that turned out to be irrelevant. BDO's desire to get this done and dusted quickly has meant they've been wasting time since November. He reckons the liths think BDO should have been doing more to get more money rather than just taking the first offer. He says it's clear to him BDO have been caught up in the romance and ended working for Hearts rather than the creditors.

A few other notable things from the discussion:

BDO have asked them to be prepared to "go back to the well" to keep them afloat.

BDO's fees aren't up to date yet.

Staff are worried their jobs will go even if they do survive as it's been made clear Budge wants to cut cloth. She's not interested in football success, she just wants to keep the club afloat.

Prize Money will be used to pay the footballing debt first so that's not going to save them.

Any idea roughly what these may currently stand out ? They must be raking up!!

[Wakeyhibee]

PM me too please Bajillions

[Stonewall]

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Great stuff CWG. I don't have one little bit of sympathy for sports Hacks in the MSM. They may have been out of their depths but all these organisations have Financial and Legal desks and it wouldn't have taken too much effort to involve them in the story, so why didn't they? Just lazy hacks who prefer to rehash press releases rather than do any journalism imo.

[CropleyWasGod]

My source is telling me BDO are worried. Where before they have been pretty open and honest, now they are just giving the minimum of information. A couple of other staff tried to ask about the problems yesterday and we're told to concentrate on their work and leave this up to BDO.

He reckons the liths have now cottoned on to what's happening in terms of getting ripped off and are doing something about it. He believes the "lack of technical detail" is BDO not providing the proof that this is the best deal for the Lithuanian creditors. They want independent valuations and proof the club was advertised for sale correctly. Remember FOH wasn't the highest offer BDO gave a set date for providing proof of funding that turned out to be irrelevant. BDO's desire to get this done and dusted quickly has meant they've been wasting time since November. He reckons the liths think BDO should have been doing more to get more money rather than just taking the first offer. He says it's clear to him BDO have been caught up in the romance and ended working for Hearts rather than the creditors.

A few other notable things from the discussion:

BDO have asked them to be prepared to "go back to the well" to keep them afloat.

BDO's fees aren't up to date yet.

Staff are worried their jobs will go even if they do survive as it's been made clear Budge wants to cut cloth. She's not interested in football success, she just wants to keep the club afloat.

Prize Money will be used to pay the footballing debt first so that's not going to save them.

Thanks, as usual, Baj. Not doubting your source, but am going to play my usual Devil's Advocate here.

It's not BDO's job to provide proof that this is the best deal for the UKIO creditors. That's the UKIO admin's job. If there are no "independent valuations", then that's HIS fault, not BDO's. If BDO have managed to convince him that the offer is a good one, then I would suggest that BJ et al have done a good job. In that respect, I think the creditors' guns are pointed in the wrong direction.

In terms of the advertising for sale, I would agree with that. Remember last summer when the assets were advertised in the FT? That felt strange to me at the time.... I don't think that process was managed well by BDO at all.

What your source does confirm for me, though, is that the UKIO creditors are doing THEIR job properly. It's been a mantra of mine for some time that "this is not the admin's call, it's the creditors'". It seems that that is being borne out.

Keep 'em coming :aok:

[Just Alf]

If anyone wants the truth* about The Gasman then leave a reply asking for a PM and I'll send it to you.




*made up nonsense

Hi BJ.... DONT send me a PM!

* made up nonsense ------- :D

[Onion]

My source is telling me BDO are worried. Where before they have been pretty open and honest, now they are just giving the minimum of information. A couple of other staff tried to ask about the problems yesterday and we're told to concentrate on their work and leave this up to BDO.

He reckons the liths have now cottoned on to what's happening in terms of getting ripped off and are doing something about it. He believes the "lack of technical detail" is BDO not providing the proof that this is the best deal for the Lithuanian creditors. They want independent valuations and proof the club was advertised for sale correctly. Remember FOH wasn't the highest offer BDO gave a set date for providing proof of funding that turned out to be irrelevant. BDO's desire to get this done and dusted quickly has meant they've been wasting time since November. He reckons the liths think BDO should have been doing more to get more money rather than just taking the first offer.He says it's clear to him BDO have been caught up in the romance and ended working for Hearts rather than the creditors.

A few other notable things from the discussion:

BDO have asked them to be prepared to "go back to the well" to keep them afloat.

BDO's fees aren't up to date yet.

Staff are worried their jobs will go even if they do survive as it's been made clear Budge wants to cut cloth. She's not interested in football success, she just wants to keep the club afloat.

Prize Money will be used to pay the footballing debt first so that's not going to save them.

That's miles away from "some technical issues". If BDO's approach and integrity is under question by the Liths, then the Yams are as good as dead :greengrin The fly in the ointment for the Yams is and has always been the security the Liths hold on the PBS. They are in a strong position to call the shots, yet you would think the Yams are doing them a favour.

[Since90+2]

PM too please Baj :aok:

[KeithTheHibby]

Pm please.

[hibbymick]

Thanks for the PM Baj, the guy sounds like a right walloper :thumbsup:

[GreenLake]

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Enjoyed the read

[Kaiser1962]

Hearts are a ****ing embarrassment. So is every single person connected to that horrible snide club. So pishy breaks gets folk to run along and beg to the Lith government to help his "poor little innocent club". Believe me they have bigger things on their plate right now and I'm sure he'll be told to **** right off!

The folk that lost their jobs the charities that were shafted over must be raging at all this. Were was the begging then? When real people earning a living and charities depending on money needed it? They were cut off and told "see ya."

Heart of Midlothian have became the laughing stock of football. The lowest of the low so to speak, hated by almost every club in Scotland with their bullying ways. Well it's game over, you are DYING, and I'll be just one of many happy Hibees when they do. Every hearts fan should be ashamed of that club, but just like the club itself they too have an attitude problem.

Spot on. If the UK ambassador to Lithuania is meeting with any Lithuanian officials it should be to apologise for the disgraceful behaviour of HMFC, Ian Murray, Lord Foulkes et al.

Was it not Lord Foulkes who brought Vlad here in the first place? Something for the Lithuanians to consider there I think.

[GreenLake]

Spot on. If the UK ambassador to Lithuania is meeting with any Lithuanian officials it should be to apologise for the disgraceful behaviour of HMFC, Ian Murray, Lord Foulkes et al.

Was it not Lord Foulkes who brought Vlad here in the first place? Something for the Lithuanians to consider there I think.

:top marks

[greenginger]

Thanks, as usual, Baj. Not doubting your source, but am going to play my usual Devil's Advocate here.

It's not BDO's job to provide proof that this is the best deal for the UKIO creditors. That's the UKIO admin's job. If there are no "independent valuations", then that's HIS fault, not BDO's. If BDO have managed to convince him that the offer is a good one, then I would suggest that BJ et al have done a good job. In that respect, I think the creditors' guns are pointed in the wrong direction.

In terms of the advertising for sale, I would agree with that. Remember last summer when the assets were advertised in the FT? That felt strange to me at the time.... I don't think that process was managed well by BDO at all.

What your source does confirm for me, though, is that the UKIO creditors are doing THEIR job properly. It's been a mantra of mine for some time that "this is not the admin's call, it's the creditors'". It seems that that is being borne out.

Keep 'em coming :aok:


Looking back at the BDO interim report, page 5.

" After a tendering process , Jones Lang LaSalle were appointed as property agents and intructed to provide a valuation of the Club "

It does not look like a separate valuation of the real estate was asked for never mind figures depending upon various Planning Permissions being granted.

[CropleyWasGod]

Looking back at the BDO interim report, page 5.

" After a tendering process , Jones Lang LaSalle were appointed as property agents and intructed to provide a valuation of the Club "

It does not look like a separate valuation of the real estate was asked for never mind figures depending upon various Planning Permissions being granted.

If that's the case, Adomonis should take some of the blame for not demanding (or even instructing ) one.

It may be that a new valuation, instructed by the creditors, will be the outcome of this. Another delay :cb

[Dashing Bob S]

If that's the case, Adomonis should take some of the blame for not demanding (or even instructing ) one.

It may be that a new valuation, instructed by the creditors, will be the outcome of this. Another delay :cb

If the creditors ask for a new indy valuation, that could be a major spanner in the works. It could take weeks to set up. Following that, they would presumably ask for for money.

[Greenworld]

Pm please bj

[Hank Schrader]

A PM would be lovely Baj :greengrin

[Springbank]

If the creditors ask for a new indy valuation, that could be a major spanner in the works. It could take weeks to set up. Following that, they would presumably ask for for money.

Land in Edinburgh is worth more today than it was a year ago

Competition for the land will have intensified, driving the price up since last years jll valuation

[Hermit Crab]

A pm way way would be nice also baj

[Greenworld]

If the creditors ask for a new indy valuation, that could be a major spanner in the works. It could take weeks to set up. Following that, they would presumably ask for for money.

Awe naw that would be a disaster......would be nice plot of land
To add to whoever bought the school.....looks like we are back to
FLATS GLORIOUS FLATS ITS DOWN AT TYNCASTLE THEY BUILD.

[Tynie01011973]

Grateful if you could PM me as well Baj :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

If the creditors ask for a new indy valuation, that could be a major spanner in the works. It could take weeks to set up. Following that, they would presumably ask for for money.

Don't think they can re-negotiate the CVA at this stage. It would have to be rejected.

[Greenworld]

If the creditors ask for a new indy valuation, that could be a major spanner in the works. It could take weeks to set up. Following that, they would presumably ask for for money.

Awe naw that would be a disaster......would be nice plot of land
To add to whoever bought the school.....looks like we are back to
FLATS GLORIOUS FLATS ITS DOWN AT TYNCASTLE THEY BUILD.

[greenginger]

If that's the case, Adomonis should take some of the blame for not demanding (or even instructing ) one.

It may be that a new valuation, instructed by the creditors, will be the outcome of this. Another delay :cb


I will offer to provide a valuation of the PBS. for free !

I am A.R.I.C.S. , unfortunately not in Land Valuation. :greengrin

[grunt]

It's not BDO's job to provide proof that this is the best deal for the UKIO creditors. That's the UKIO admin's job. Really? I thought BDO were working for the creditors, viz UKIO? So isn't it reasonable for UKIO to expect BDO to come up with the best result for the creditors, and to be able to demonstrate that it's the best offer?

I realise that I'm guilty of potentially committing a Hibs.net cardinal sin by questioning the wisdom of one of our oracles!

[MurrayfieldHibs]

If that's the case, Adomonis should take some of the blame for not demanding (or even instructing ) one.

It may be that a new valuation, instructed by the creditors, will be the outcome of this. Another delay :cb

And once the Lithuanian administrators lose trust in what BDO say they will look at everything they have said and wonder how reliable the rest of the information is. I would suspect that they will then start digging deeper and deeper into every bit of information BDO supplied "on their behalf". :greengrin

[SurferRosa]

Radio Scotland reporting that UK ambassador to Lithuania David Hunt (I know his brother Mike) is to make representations to the Lithuanian authorities on behalf of hertz.

Aye, very good. Is he going to personally cough up the extra cash that the creditors appear to want? Because if he`s not, i fail to see what he could do...

[The Falcon]

Don't think they can re-negotiate the CVA at this stage. It would have to be rejected.


Its unlikely they (the Lithuanians) would be worse off as a result ?

[Aldo]

Hearts are a ****ing embarrassment. So is every single person connected to that horrible snide club. So pishy breaks gets folk to run along and beg to the Lith government to help his "poor little innocent club". Believe me they have bigger things on their plate right now and I'm sure he'll be told to **** right off! The folk that lost their jobs the charities that were shafted over must be raging at all this. Were was the begging then? When real people earning a living and charities depending on money needed it? They were cut off and told "see ya." Heart of Midlothian have became the laughing stock of football. The lowest of the low so to speak, hated by almost every club in Scotland with their bullying ways. Well it's game over, you are DYING, and I'll be just one of many happy Hibees when they do. Every hearts fan should be ashamed of that club, but just like the club itself they too have an attitude problem.

Well said that man. Couldn't agree more.

Get it roond ye you yam fuds!!

[Onion]

Really? I thought BDO were working for the creditors, viz UKIO? So isn't it reasonable for UKIO to expect BDO to come up with the best result for the creditors, and to be able to demonstrate that it's the best offer?

I realise that I'm guilty of potentially committing a Hibs.net cardinal sin by questioning the wisdom of one of our oracles!

Whoever is to blame, it is a major miscalculation at this stage in the game. There has been plenty of time to get all the necessary proof (indy valuations, offers etc) to support the £2.5M BIDCO offer. BDO should have anticipated that serious questions would be asked about the value of the main security, so were either naive (unlikely), mislead by the UKIO Admin (possibly) or trying a fast one !

If the CVA is rejected and the PBS sold for much more than the derisory £2.5M offered by BIDCO, then questions will be asked about both Admins performance/behaviour.

[jdships]

That's miles away from "some technical issues". If BDO's approach and integrity is under question by the Liths, then the Yams are as good as dead :greengrin The fly in the ointment for the Yams is and has always been the security the Liths hold on the PBS.

My accountant/administrator friend has always maintained that PBS was the BIG IMPONDERABLE !
They will know the exact commercial value of Tynecastle and he reckons that it will be held on to for as long as possible to make sure the best " deal" is secured


" It's not BDO's job to provide proof that this is the best deal for the UKIO creditors. That's the UKIO admin's job. If there are no "independent valuations", then that's HIS fault, not BDO's. "

Agree with this but one has to remember that the two factions will meet/talk/discuss on a regular basis and many things can be said over a cup of coffee !!
As I have posted I had some involvement with the Mercer/Gray,Duff events and there were many " fringe meetings " between so called
" interested parties" . Attended three of these and they were basically " what have you heard/ what do you know " type get together's held in an hotel private suite .
The principals were never present just commercial advisors etc . Same could be happening with Hearts

:na na:
n

[greenginger]

Really? I thought BDO were working for the creditors, viz UKIO? So isn't it reasonable for UKIO to expect BDO to come up with the best result for the creditors, and to be able to demonstrate that it's the best offer?

I realise that I'm guilty of potentially committing a Hibs.net cardinal sin by questioning the wisdom of one of our oracles!


Nope ! I think we learned from the Rangers farce , Administrators work firstly for themselves.

After that their main task is to save the business , even one like HOMFC. If at the end of the day there are a few buttons left the creditors should be grateful.

The mistake made was appointing an administrator in the first place. The creditors should have gone straight for liquidation.

I wonder if the Ukio Admin. has told the creditors they will be lucky if they see £1 million up front from the sale of the £ 50 million asset.

[Mikey]

In terms of the advertising for sale, I would agree with that. Remember last summer when the assets were advertised in the FT? That felt strange to me at the time.... I don't think that process was managed well by BDO at all.



They wanted to show Lithuania that the property was marketed, but they also wanted as few people as possible to see it. Then they could trot along and tell the motherland that there was no interest.

Coupled with a ludicrous valuation of £2.5m, and stories of hoardes of Jambos obstructing any new development, all of a sudden Lithuania thinks they have an almost worthless piece of property.

If it wasn't for the bitter hobo putting them straight on the previous valuation of £22m they might have got away with it.

Maybe the UK Ambassador to Lithuania needs to be put straight too........

[QMU-1875]

Take a pm please bajillions!

[CropleyWasGod]

Really? I thought BDO were working for the creditors, viz UKIO? So isn't it reasonable for UKIO to expect BDO to come up with the best result for the creditors, and to be able to demonstrate that it's the best offer?

I realise that I'm guilty of potentially committing a Hibs.net cardinal sin by questioning the wisdom of one of our oracles!

They're not working for the creditors, though. Their primary function is to preserve the company as a going concern.

And no sin, either...... it's good to challenge someone who's only 2 pages ahead in the book. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

I will offer to provide a valuation of the PBS. for free !

I am A.R.I.C.S. , unfortunately not in Land Valuation. :greengrin

Might I suggest a conflict of interest? :greengrin

[Geo_1875]

They're not working for the creditors, though. Their primary function is to preserve the company as a going concern.

And no sin, either...... it's good to challenge someone who's only 2 pages ahead in the book. :greengrin

And it's then up to the creditors to weigh up what's on offer and decide if it's acceptable. Hopefully they will decide the right way. And hopefully someone has a serious look at BDO's actions in preparing the CVA.

[CropleyWasGod]

They wanted to show Lithuania that the property was marketed, but they also wanted as few people as possible to see it. Then they could trot along and tell the motherland that there was no interest.

Coupled with a ludicrous valuation of £2.5m, and stories of hoardes of Jambos obstructing any new development, all of a sudden Lithuania thinks they have an almost worthless piece of property.

If it wasn't for the bitter hobo putting them straight on the previous valuation of £22m they might have got away with it.

Maybe the UK Ambassador to Lithuania needs to be put straight too........

Absolutely, Mikey. I know of a few enquiries to the FT advert, and they weren't even given the decency of a reply.

[grunt]

They're not working for the creditors, though. Their primary function is to preserve the company as a going concern.I keep forgetting this basic thing. Doesn't seem fair on the creditors to me, though.

[grunt]

Absolutely, Mikey. I know of a few enquiries to the FT advert, and they weren't even given the decency of a reply.
:wink:

[Dashing Bob S]

They wanted to show Lithuania that the property was marketed, but they also wanted as few people as possible to see it. Then they could trot along and tell the motherland that there was no interest.

Coupled with a ludicrous valuation of £2.5m, and stories of hoardes of Jambos obstructing any new development, all of a sudden Lithuania thinks they have an almost worthless piece of property.

If it wasn't for the bitter hobo putting them straight on the previous valuation of £22m they might have got away with it.

Maybe the UK Ambassador to Lithuania needs to be put straight too........

But presumably the Hobo wouldn't have been so bitter had they financially doped their way to 5-1 on taxpayers, charity and poppy money, so they've only really done it to themselves. Which is a bit like only owing to themselves, I suppose.

[The Falcon]

They're not working for the creditors, though. Their primary function is to preserve the company as a going concern.

And no sin, either...... it's good to challenge someone who's only 2 pages ahead in the book. :greengrin


Which, for me, would suggest that they tried to unfreeze the shares for Portsmouth and failed. The different, more lenient, penalty applicable by the English FA should not have been a factor. In theory at least.

[CropleyWasGod]

I keep forgetting this basic thing. Doesn't seem fair on the creditors to me, though.

Insolvency isn't fair on anyone. (except those who make their living from it, of course......)

The basic premise of the law, as far as I can see, is preservation. Preservation of jobs, of future tax revenues and, if they feel inclined, a customer for the old creditors.

It's not perfect, of course, but we've yet to come up with anything better.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Absolutely, Mikey. I know of a few enquiries to the FT advert, and they weren't even given the decency of a reply.

Do developments mean they have to readvertise? If so I for one would like to make an enquiry.:greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

If anybody wants a PM give me a shout. I've got a bit of time on my hands just now.

[SmashinGlass]

Might I suggest a conflict of interest? :greengrin

A conflict of interest never seemed to do Duff and Phelps and harm :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Why is everyone asking Bajillions for a P[rivate] M[assage]?

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? :wink:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why is everyone asking Bajillions for a P[rivate] M[assage]?

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? :wink:

Bajillions posted last night that he had made up some info about gasman and said he'd PM the made up info to anyone that wanted it. It was a Mickey take of the pms that we're flying about on kickback last week about him/sergey.

Folk just don't read posts properly and/or understand them.

[fat freddy]

If anybody wants a PM give me a shout. I've got a bit of time on my hands just now.

I'll take one and if its any good i'll send you a reply...if anyone wants to see the reply that i might send but haven't composed yet send me a stamped addressed envelope and i'll get it back to you on the return post.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'll take one and if its any good i'll send you a reply...if anyone wants to see the reply that i might send but haven't composed yet send me a stamped addressed envelope and i'll get it back to you on the return post.

Anyone else?

[Nailrod]

Bajillions posted last night that he had made up some info about gasman and said he'd PM the made up info to anyone that wanted it. It was a Mickey take of the pms that we're flying about on kickback last week about him/sergey.

Folk just don't read posts properly and/or understand them.Wee bit of a whooshter there DH :wink:


[P]rivate [M]assage

[HappyAsHellas]

Bloody hell! a yam with morals and some understanding. Posted on brokeback today.......


No-one ever said it would be easy? Well in fact some did - there was a wave of optimism when we first went into admin.

Bloodsuckers? Hearts, indirectly through Ukio and Ubig have been the bloodsuckers here, to the tune of tens of millions of pounds.

Sorry if the truth hurts and for not just whistling a happy tune.

I think in the end will be OK but not to be worried sems to me bizarre.

[jgl07]

I will offer to provide a valuation of the PBS. for free !

I am A.R.I.C.S. , unfortunately not in Land Valuation. :greengrin
As another Chartered Surveyor I would do likewise.

PS: There is no longer a qualification of ARICS, member are now MRICS!

[matty_f]

Anyone else?

Me! Me! Me!

[jacomo]

Bloody hell! a yam with morals and some understanding. Posted on brokeback today.......


No-one ever said it would be easy? Well in fact some did - there was a wave of optimism when we first went into admin.

Bloodsuckers? Hearts, indirectly through Ukio and Ubig have been the bloodsuckers here, to the tune of tens of millions of pounds.

Sorry if the truth hurts and for not just whistling a happy tune.

I think in the end will be OK but not to be worried sems to me bizarre.

Resignation talk. The fella must be bored of JKB, because he surely won't be staying after that.

[SurferRosa]

Bloody hell! a yam with morals and some understanding. Posted on brokeback today.......


No-one ever said it would be easy? Well in fact some did - there was a wave of optimism when we first went into admin.

Bloodsuckers? Hearts, indirectly through Ukio and Ubig have been the bloodsuckers here, to the tune of tens of millions of pounds.

Sorry if the truth hurts and for not just whistling a happy tune.

I think in the end will be OK but not to be worried sems to me bizarre.

Most likely he`ll already be put down as a bitter hobo. :coffee:

Certainly not toeing the party line with that mutinous post.

[Weststandwanab]

A conflict of interest never seemed to do Duff and Phelps and harm :greengrin Careful you may need a lawyer.


Bajillions posted last night that he had made up some info about gasman and said he'd PM the made up info to anyone that wanted it. It was a Mickey take of the pms that we're flying about on kickback last week about him/sergey.

Folk just don't read posts properly and/or understand them. Some of us, non P.M. posters, do.


Bloody hell! a yam with morals and some understanding. Posted on brokeback today.......


No-one ever said it would be easy? Well in fact some did - there was a wave of optimism when we first went into admin.

Bloodsuckers? Hearts, indirectly through Ukio and Ubig have been the bloodsuckers here, to the tune of tens of millions of pounds.

Sorry if the truth hurts and for not just whistling a happy tune.

I think in the end will be OK but not to be worried sems to me bizarre. I know who that is.


As another Chartered Surveyor I would do likewise.

PS: There is no longer a qualification of RICS, member are now MRICS! But would you do a rhinoceros job ?


Resignation talk. The fella must be bored of JKB, because he surely won't be staying after that. Probably not.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Some of us, non P.M. posters, do.

.

You don't need to be a pm to send a pm. :wink:

Read the post!

[Dashing Bob S]

Be great to relegate them tomorrow so that we can give this 'Liquidation thread' our full attention over the coming weeks.

[CraigHibee]

so they've only really done it to themselves. Which is a bit like only owing to themselves, I suppose.

this is the funniest thing about what has happened them! several times jambo work colleagues rammed it down my throat that
"we don't have a debt to anyone, we only owe it to ourselves" i haven't heard a peep from them for months now. its been the arrogance of a large majority of them that makes me glad that they are in the merde!

payback really

[Aldo]

Be great to relegate them tomorrow so that we can give this 'Liquidation thread' our full attention over the coming weeks.

This will do for me



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[Iggy Pope]

Some of us, non P.M. posters, do.





You've missed the point, but anyway....it's only a tenner.

Think of all the multiple quoting you could do across TWO boards!

[Dashing Bob S]

Resignation talk. The fella must be bored of JKB, because he surely won't be staying after that.

Or another green mole.

[Weststandwanab]

You don't need to be a pm to send a pm. :wink:

Read the post!I know, I did and I believe.


Be great to relegate them tomorrow so that we can give this 'Liquidation thread' our full attention over the coming weeks. Are you starting to believe DBS?

[Off the bar]

You don't need to be a pm to send a pm. :wink:

Read the post!

I'm an mp, no wait I want a pm, no wait the clocks go forward this am, hang what thread is this again

[monktonharp]

on the subject of David Hunt UK ambassador, office, phone numbers email address etc in Vilnius Lithuania, the easiest email I've ever sent overseas. done everything except ask him to meet me in the pub for lunch:greengrin

[Albanian Hibs]

if he likes a pint of Strongbow in the Corstorphine area it could well be

Yip with the initials CM?

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

on the subject of David Hunt UK ambassador, office, phone numbers email address etc in Vilnius Lithuania, the easiest email I've ever sent overseas. done everything except ask him to meet me in the pub for lunch:greengrin

David hunt stupid person I wish I could invent an amusing phrase ... Epic Fail

[ronaldo7]

Just been over to somanypointsbackitstoohardtocount.co.uk and they're really going for each other.

Pleasing.

This one caught my eye though...

"I think the people on here know as much about the the situation in Lithuania as the Malaysian authorities know about the whereabouts of the missing plane, **** all".

Brilliant

[Sergey]

Just been over to somanypointsbackitstoohardtocount.co.uk and they're really going for each other.

Pleasing.

This one caught my eye though...

"I think the people on here know as much about the the situation in Lithuania as the Malaysian authorities know about the whereabouts of the missing plane, **** all".

Brilliant

That's exactly the reason we have 220 'visitors' currently on this thread.

The Jambos know where to come for the information.

Insert that pleasing smile they use :agree:

[Gmack7]

Yip with the initials CM?
:agree:

[Jack]

Insolvency isn't fair on anyone. (except those who make their living from it, of course......)

The basic premise of the law, as far as I can see, is preservation. Preservation of jobs, of future tax revenues and, if they feel inclined, a customer for the old creditors.

It's not perfect, of course, but we've yet to come up with anything better.

Could it the the Lithuanians work to a different set of guidelines than we do here in the UK?

Maybe the technical issues are a lack of understanding between BDO and the LT administrators and then between the creditors committee, i.e. the CC expects evidenced materials, the LT administrators, who all but joined in the yamfanfare, knew that's not how it works in the UK and BDO thought they'd get away with it.

[Ronniekirk]

Just been over to somanypointsbackitstoohardtocount.co.uk and they're really going for each other.

Pleasing.

This one caught my eye though...

"I think the people on here know as much about the the situation in Lithuania as the Malaysian authorities know about the whereabouts of the missing plane, **** all".

Brilliant
It's some where in the Indian Ocean ,they are not very good at picking up on technical detail right enough.If they are going for each other now imagine what will happen tomorrow night if we relegate them .There will be a state of Emergency called in Gorgie The Samaratins have cancelled all staff leave for volunteers to cope with the expected Demand

[Sergey]

Could it the the Lithuanians work to a different set of guidelines than we do here in the UK?

Maybe the technical issues are a lack of understanding between BDO and the LT administrators and then between the creditors committee, i.e. the CC expects evidenced materials, the LT administrators, who all but joined in the yamfanfare, knew that's not how it works in the UK and BDO thought they'd get away with it.

Jack - that didn't make too much sense to me - but to surmise, the LT folks are now fully aware as to what is occurring.

There are indeed 'technical issues' :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

I know, I did and I believe.

Are you starting to believe DBS?

Would never use such a pseudo-religious Yamism, WSW, but based on pure business administration science, I'm convinced they are Donald Ducked, yes.

[Dashing Bob S]

Jack - that didn't make too much sense to me - but to surmise, the LT folks are now fully aware as to what is occurring.

There are indeed 'technical issues' :greengrin

Can we just abbreviate 'technical issues' to 'tissues' from now on? It seems appropriate as they solely exist to catch all the ***** flying around from FOH/EEN etc.

[Weststandwanab]

Would never use such a pseudo-religious Yamism, WSW, but based on pure business administration science, I'm convinced they are Donald Ducked, yes. Pleasing to read


Can we just abbreviate 'technical issues' to 'tissues' from now on? It seems appropriate as they solely exist to catch all the ***** flying around from FOH/EEN etc. I like that but worry about the connotations of "reaching for the tissues"

[Geo_1875]

Could it the the Lithuanians work to a different set of guidelines than we do here in the UK?
Maybe the technical issues are a lack of understanding between BDO and the LT administrators and then between the creditors committee, i.e. the CC expects evidenced materials, the LT administrators, who all but joined in the yamfanfare, knew that's not how it works in the UK and BDO thought they'd get away with it.

I think the problem is that the creditors haven't actually seen Tynie and can't believe that a football stadium can be worth so little. They've probably googled football stadiums in Edinburgh and are sitting drooling over pictures of Easter Road.

[WHUHibs]

Friends in Vilnius this week told me that it's a real scandal and the authorities want to make 100% sure that they are following each case closely. The collapse of both organisations have had a significant impact on capital investment in the country with a lack of confidence in the banking industry and government regulations. They believe this situation will lay out a foundation for the future so the international community can be confident that the country is not run in a corrupt way.
I'm not sure we should read into the technical details mentioned they are simply being very cautious..it would be nice to think that there is additional conspiracy but I think it's a matter of wait and see and no one really knows ,,but we can live in hope!

[semaj64]

Article in the DR today about Romanov fearing for his life. He seems to be still living it up and making lots of money. No remorse for what he has done and is continuing to rip people of. Cannot see the liths giving any compassion to any to his dealings . This will go on for a while yet i hope

[Springbank]

I think we've found what Scottish journalism is good for.

While the MSM have been woeful in the Rangers & Hearts cases at asking questions or reporting from an unbiased or victim's perspective, it's a source of pride that the DR can locate VR when Interpol can't!

Maybe time for the MSM to give up journalism and move into Private Investigation & Location services.

"we can find anyone, anywhere...we just can't ask the right questions when we find them"

[greenpaper55]

In todays Sun there is this


"Sunsport Exclusive.
'FLIGHT FOR SURVIVAL'
Jackson mission to try and save Jambos deal.
Bryan Jackson will make an emergency dash to Lithuania in a bid to save Hearts' takeover deal.
Jambos insiders fear Ann Budge's buyout plan is in danger of collapsing as Baltic creditors hold out for a bigger pay-off.
Now money man Jackson is poised to fly out for face-to-face talks aimed at staving off the threat of liquidation.
Hearts could be relegated today if they fail to beat Hibs. But there are even graver fears after the Jambos failed on Friday to get the green light for Budge's BIDCO takeover.
Dissent among creditors saw a crucial meeting put back to April 7 - a move that throws Hearts' future into major doubt. Sunsport understands some Lithuanian creditors are unhappy with the £2.5m deal they agreed last November because of Budge's fortune.
Since agreeing to the proposal put forward by fans' group the Foundation of Hearts it has emerged that Budge - an Edinburgh businesswoman worth £40m - Is bankrolling the deal. She will buy the shares through her BIDCO 1874 vehicle and become chairwoman, before gradually transferring the holding to the supporters over a period of five years.
However, the sudden appearance of a multi-millionaire has caused unrest in Lithuania, with some creditors reported to feel the deal they agreed to is not the one they have ended up with.
Sauliu Bank, one of the biggest creditors, is believed to be unhappy with the agreement.
And it's feared they could now ask for more cash before they release the stockholding.
If that happens then there is a real chance Hearts could be liquidated, since BDO only have enough money to operate until the end of April."

[Bostonhibby]

In todays Sun there is this


"Sunsport Exclusive.
'FLIGHT FOR SURVIVAL'
Jackson mission to try and save Jambos deal.
Bryan Jackson will make an emergency dash to Lithuania in a bid to save Hearts' takeover deal.
Jambos insiders fear Ann Budge's buyout plan is in danger of collapsing as Baltic creditors hold out for a bigger pay-off.
Now money man Jackson is poised to fly out for face-to-face talks aimed at staving off the threat of liquidation.
Hearts could be relegated today if they fail to beat Hibs. But there are even graver fears after the Jambos failed on Friday to get the green light for Budge's BIDCO takeover.
Dissent among creditors saw a crucial meeting put back to April 7 - a move that throws Hearts' future into major doubt. Sunsport understands some Lithuanian creditors are unhappy with the £2.5m deal they agreed last November because of Budge's fortune.
Since agreeing to the proposal put forward by fans' group the Foundation of Hearts it has emerged that Budge - an Edinburgh businesswoman worth £40m - Is bankrolling the deal. She will buy the shares through her BIDCO 1874 vehicle and become chairwoman, before gradually transferring the holding to the supporters over a period of five years.
However, the sudden appearance of a multi-millionaire has caused unrest in Lithuania, with some creditors reported to feel the deal they agreed to is not the one they have ended up with.
Sauliu Bank, one of the biggest creditors, is believed to be unhappy with the agreement.
And it's feared they could now ask for more cash before they release the stockholding.
If that happens then there is a real chance Hearts could be liquidated, since BDO only have enough money to operate until the end of April."




If this scenario is correct, and it seems feasible, then the yam really only have themselves to blame, they continue to try and deceive by undervaluing the asset and trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the very people they have already bumped so they can fiddle it on the cheap for themselves.

Financial subterfuge is at the heart of everything they do still. They do not seem to understand that because of their past and their present reputation people will check what they are saying and doing.

It's hard to blame the victims here if they want to find out what the development value of the site really is. A major own goal from the yam was to start blabbing about their latest saviour and how much money she has and what she is going to do for them - same as their approach to Vlad really. Will they ever learn?

Tick tock

[Phil D. Rolls]

In todays Sun there is this


"Sunsport Exclusive.
'FLIGHT FOR SURVIVAL'
Jackson mission to try and save Jambos deal.
Bryan Jackson will make an emergency dash to Lithuania in a bid to save Hearts' takeover deal.
Jambos insiders fear Ann Budge's buyout plan is in danger of collapsing as Baltic creditors hold out for a bigger pay-off.
Now money man Jackson is poised to fly out for face-to-face talks aimed at staving off the threat of liquidation.
Hearts could be relegated today if they fail to beat Hibs. But there are even graver fears after the Jambos failed on Friday to get the green light for Budge's BIDCO takeover.
Dissent among creditors saw a crucial meeting put back to April 7 - a move that throws Hearts' future into major doubt. Sunsport understands some Lithuanian creditors are unhappy with the £2.5m deal they agreed last November because of Budge's fortune.
Since agreeing to the proposal put forward by fans' group the Foundation of Hearts it has emerged that Budge - an Edinburgh businesswoman worth £40m - Is bankrolling the deal. She will buy the shares through her BIDCO 1874 vehicle and become chairwoman, before gradually transferring the holding to the supporters over a period of five years.
However, the sudden appearance of a multi-millionaire has caused unrest in Lithuania, with some creditors reported to feel the deal they agreed to is not the one they have ended up with.
Sauliu Bank, one of the biggest creditors, is believed to be unhappy with the agreement.
And it's feared they could now ask for more cash before they release the stockholding.
If that happens then there is a real chance Hearts could be liquidated, since BDO only have enough money to operate until the end of April."




Hobo rag. Not one quotation. Could at least say who their source is.

[Onion]

In todays Sun there is this


"Sunsport Exclusive.
'FLIGHT FOR SURVIVAL'
Jackson mission to try and save Jambos deal.
Bryan Jackson will make an emergency dash to Lithuania in a bid to save Hearts' takeover deal.
Jambos insiders fear Ann Budge's buyout plan is in danger of collapsing as Baltic creditors hold out for a bigger pay-off.
Now money man Jackson is poised to fly out for face-to-face talks aimed at staving off the threat of liquidation.
Hearts could be relegated today if they fail to beat Hibs. But there are even graver fears after the Jambos failed on Friday to get the green light for Budge's BIDCO takeover.
Dissent among creditors saw a crucial meeting put back to April 7 - a move that throws Hearts' future into major doubt. Sunsport understands some Lithuanian creditors are unhappy with the £2.5m deal they agreed last November because of Budge's fortune.
Since agreeing to the proposal put forward by fans' group the Foundation of Hearts it has emerged that Budge - an Edinburgh businesswoman worth £40m - Is bankrolling the deal. She will buy the shares through her BIDCO 1874 vehicle and become chairwoman, before gradually transferring the holding to the supporters over a period of five years.
However, the sudden appearance of a multi-millionaire has caused unrest in Lithuania, with some creditors reported to feel the deal they agreed to is not the one they have ended up with.
Sauliu Bank, one of the biggest creditors, is believed to be unhappy with the agreement.
And it's feared they could now ask for more cash before they release the stockholding.
If that happens then there is a real chance Hearts could be liquidated, since BDO only have enough money to operate until the end of April."





If all true, then losing to Hibs today is not the Yams biggest problem :greengrin

What scope does Jackson have to renegotiate the CVA or agree more cash ? Or is this simply a recovery operation ?

[Waxy]

He has to be seen to be doing all he can.

[SurferRosa]

If all true, then losing to Hibs today is not the Yams biggest problem :greengrin

What scope does Jackson have to renegotiate the CVA or agree more cash ? Or is this simply a recovery operation ?

Not sure he has any scope really. IF he cant convince those creditors holding out for more money that the ridiculous 2.5 million is the best they`ll get, then the CVA goes belly up and Hearts are back to square one. Liquidation would then be the only option i think.

[truehibernian]

Was there not always a danger that by 'exposing' Ann Budge that somewhere down the line her fortune and the meagre offer would filter across the sea to Vilnius ?

It now puts her in a very horrible position in that she wears the 'saviour' badge, yet the Lithuanians sound like they are now intent on squeezing her for more money - she refuses, she is then vilified....she agrees, she pays far more than she anticipated and it thus ties her in longer or reduces the capital Hearts have on the football front ?

Is this now a test of resolve and back to 'poker hands' then ? Or is that far too simplistic ?

[Bostonhibby]

Not sure he has any scope really. IF he cant convince those creditors holding out for more money that the ridiculous 2.5 million is the best they`ll get, then the CVA goes belly up and Hearts are back to square one. Liquidation would then be the only option i think.

Wonder if they will be allowed a second chance to buy the whole mess for what its really worth, after a proper current valuation has been done? In competition with anyone else who wants to make an open market offer of course. That's how a disposal of assets on behalf of creditors should be done.

[Weststandwanab]

He has to be seen to be doing all he can. Spot on, covering his a???


Was there not always a danger that by 'exposing' Ann Budge that somewhere down the line her fortune and the meagre offer would filter across the sea to Vilnius ?

It now puts her in a very horrible position in that she wears the 'saviour' badge, yet the Lithuanians sound like they are now intent on squeezing her for more money - she refuses, she is then vilified....she agrees, she pays far more than she anticipated and it thus ties her in longer or reduces the capital Hearts have on the football front ?

Is this now a test of resolve and back to 'poker hands' then ? Or is that far too simplistic ? I think she could be in a position - post liquidation - to make a killing - excuse the pun.


Wonder if they will be allowed a second chance to buy the whole mess for what its really worth, after a proper current valuation has been done? In competition with anyone else who wants to make an open market offer of course. That's how a disposal of assets on behalf of creditors should be done. That is what I expect will happen at the end of the day.

[CropleyWasGod]

Wonder if they will be allowed a second chance to buy the whole mess for what its really worth, after a proper current valuation has been done? In competition with anyone else who wants to make an open market offer of course. That's how a disposal of assets on behalf of creditors should be done.

I don't think there is time to organise a "second CVA", if that's what you mean.

[truehibernian]

Spot on, covering his a???

I think she could be in a position - post liquidation - to make a killing - excuse the pun.

That is what I expect will happen at the end of the day.

I thought that myself, however if they do liquidate then surely the challenges would come from The Rangers and the authorities would be under huge pressure to go down the Div 3 entry route and throw football into chaos again in summer ? She may of course make a killing getting it for buttons but are the football consequences not far outweighing the financial cost ? Is it not better to be in the Championship with Rangers, get promotion via winning it or play off, and thus giving them a chance to be in an SPFL in 2 years that has all the 'big hitters' ?

[GreenLake]

Was there not always a danger that by 'exposing' Ann Budge that somewhere down the line her fortune and the meagre offer would filter across the sea to Vilnius ?

It now puts her in a very horrible position in that she wears the 'saviour' badge, yet the Lithuanians sound like they are now intent on squeezing her for more money - she refuses, she is then vilified....she agrees, she pays far more than she anticipated and it thus ties her in longer or reduces the capital Hearts have on the football front ?

Is this now a test of resolve and back to 'poker hands' then ? Or is that far too simplistic ?

The creditors in Vilnius have looked at how much she negotiated for the sale of her IT business and compared that fortune to the pittance of £2.5m which FOH are offering for an asset previously valued at £22m (and a football club worth £6207).

[Jack]

It's not just Ann Budge with the money. A lot of them are claiming there's loads more money men in the wings just waiting to step in once the dust has settled.

[Eyrie]

I'm pleased for the Lithuanian taxpayers that someone has spotted that selling an asset worth £22m for only £2.5m to someone who is worth £40m may not be a good deal.

Or has £19.5m been deducted to reflect the true value of the best youngsters in world football?

[Bostonhibby]

I don't think there is time to organise a "second CVA", if that's what you mean.

I was hinting at a straightforward liquidation sale, open house auction style with a well publicised invitation to offer. Always the best way to get the best price for the creditors I feel.:greengrin

[Weststandwanab]

I thought that myself, however if they do liquidate then surely the challenges would come from The Rangers and the authorities would be under huge pressure to go down the Div 3 entry route and throw football into chaos again in summer ? She may of course make a killing getting it for buttons but are the football consequences not far outweighing the financial cost ? Is it not better to be in the Championship with Rangers, get promotion via winning it or play off, and thus giving them a chance to be in an SPFL in 2 years that has all the 'big hitters' ? If it is the big L and Newco Jambos it has to be division 3 - or worse

[Seveno]

After today, the big L can't come fast enough for me.

[Gus Fring]

So much for it being a sellout today. Attendance was 16,873. The PBS holds 17.5k.

[SloopJB]

So much for it being a sellout today. Attendance was 16,873. The PBS holds 17.5k.

Exactly, I demand we get the three points from that game.

[Eyrie]

So much for it being a sellout today. Attendance was 16,873. The PBS holds 17.5k.

Is that figure for the actual attendance or just ticket sales?

[Famous Fiver]

First time on for a while.
I pointed out many moons ago that they turned down a better cash offer from Massone. Why?
If someone on here has any e-mail addresses of the Lithuanian authorities it might be worth e-mailing them to suggest that they ask this question.
I stick to what I have always said

TICK TOCK

[Spike Mandela]

First time on for a while.
I pointed out many moons ago that they turned down a better cash offer from Massone. Why?
If someone on here has any e-mail addresses of the Lithuanian authorities it might be worth e-mailing them to suggest that they ask this question.
I stick to what I have always said

TICK TOCK

Was he not unable to provide proof of funding?

[Gus Fring]

Is that figure for the actual attendance or just ticket sales?

I don't know for this particular match but I assume it's ticket sales since it's always done that way over there.

[Gus Fring]

Was he not unable to provide proof of funding?

You're correct, he wasn't. He would have had 9 months to raise the funds by now though if they had have accepted his offer.

[lapsedhibee]

In all the recent reporting of timescales, delayed meetings, 28th March UKIO this, 7th April UBIG that, I find it beyond disgraceful that nowhere in the MSM has anyone aksed the most important question of all: When exactly can we start referring to Club 12 again? :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure how this would affect things, but maybe BJ can ask this week when he's in Lithuania...... :greengrin

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-wants-to-regain-finland-for-russia-adviser-says-9224273.html

[Dashing Bob S]

In all the recent reporting of timescales, delayed meetings, 28th March UKIO this, 7th April UBIG that, I find it beyond disgraceful that nowhere in the MSM has anyone aksed the most important question of all: When exactly can we start referring to Club 12 again? :greengrin

If it happens at all it won't be until the end of the season and only then in the lower divisions.

[Wakeyhibee]

Is that figure for the actual attendance or just ticket sales?

to be honest looked about right, however they counted it.

[Cod Boy]

Admin or not they will still beat us

[SmashinGlass]

Admin or not they will still beat us

We beat ourselves

[Phil D. Rolls]

We beat ourselves

Had a goal disallowed, having gradually worn them down to score. Our confidence had been growing, they and their fans were showing signs of anxiety.

i think it's unfair to say the team beat itself. They are no world beaters, but I think their physical strength might have got them through.

[Sammy7nil]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

[SmashinGlass]

Had a goal disallowed, having gradually worn them down to score. Our confidence had been growing, they and their fans were showing signs of anxiety.

i think it's unfair to say the team beat itself. They are no world beaters, but I think their physical strength might have got them through.

Fair point.

[Jim44]

BBC just announced that fresh news emanating from Lithuania indicates that if the situation is not resolved in the next few weeks the likelihood of liquidation will become a reality. They are going to keep us up to speed with the course of events. The way it was reported it seems that it's not just regurgitation of recent information but that something is afoot.

[bingo70]

Great time to get the begging bowl out again.

If we'd won yesterday i doubt this story would have been released this morning

[Jim44]

Great time to get the begging bowl out again.

If we'd won yesterday i doubt this story would have been released this morning

I don't think the begging bowl is likely to affect events in Lithuania unless it's to vastly increase any offers.

[Mikey]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

As has been said many times before, it's what people want to talk about.

[nribs]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

I'm more than happy to hear what's going on with them. The sooner that jobby is flushed the better .

[Kaiser1962]

As has been said many times before, it's what people want to talk about.

1400 pages would suggest so.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Anyone notice that Adolf Hitler plays for the jobbys?
aka Patterson.

[The_Todd]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.


Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

I don't get your argument. Hearts are going out of business and as our oldest and biggest rival I think it would be odd for there to be no interest. It's also still a running story, we know they won't be in the top flight anymore that's obvious, but will they even exist anymore?

As for concentrating on our own problems, well sure we can. There's countless other threads discussing just that. If you really don't like the subject why not just give the thread a body swerve? For the rest of us it's big news.

[Golden Bear]

BBC just announced that fresh news emanating from Lithuania indicates that if the situation is not resolved in the next few weeks the likelihood of liquidation will become a reality. They are going to keep us up to speed with the course of events. The way it was reported it seems that it's not just regurgitation of recent information but that something is afoot.

So what was the earth shattering news Jim?

[Greenworld]

BBC just announced that fresh news emanating from Lithuania indicates that if the situation is not resolved in the next few weeks the likelihood of liquidation will become a reality. They are going to keep us up to speed with the course of events. The way it was reported it seems that it's not just regurgitation of recent information but that something is afoot.

Is this an early April fool

[Jim44]

Getting back on topic, the Jambos are dismissing the BBC announcement as mischief-making and say it's just old news. One of their stalwarts says in fact "I actually think this is good news. Get your arse in gear or get duck all." The blind leading the blind.

[Golden Bear]

Is this an early April fool

Just heard it myself.

Another creditor has thrown the spanner into the works by saying that he £2.5 million offer is totally unacceptable. If the share transfer deal is not completed within the next 4 weeks then it's looking increasingly likely that Liquidation will be the outcome.

Such a shame eh.

[Greenworld]

Ok keep talking im warming to this news :cb

[Jim44]

So what was the earth shattering news Jim?


McLauchlan was putting more emphasis on one of the main creditors ( don't know if said Saulius or another) objecting to £2.5M. I don't see that this is fresh news but there seemed to be a bit more gravity about the situation.

[green glory]

Anyone notice that Adolf Hitler plays for the jobbys? aka Patterson.

And Jimmy Savile was in the crowd too.

[green glory]

Keep talking folks, I'm nearly there!

[Ronniekirk]

McLauchlan was putting more emphasis on one of the main creditors ( don't know if said Saulius or another) objecting to £2.5M. I don't see that this is fresh news but there seemed to be a bit more gravity about the situation.

Just the BBC catching up with Hibs.Net.:wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

What is your authority for this? :cb

[Weststandwanab]

What is your authority for this? :cb I think that is a tad optimistic considering the big L looms larger everyday.

Keep the faith.

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

I think that is a tad optimistic considering the big L looms larger everyday.

Keep the faith.

Article now on the BBC website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26817253 :aok:

[grunt]

Last paragraph, almost a throwaway


UBIG, which was controlled by former Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov, had its assets frozen in April 2013 after declaring insolvency, while Ukio collapsed more than a year ago.

[Phil D. Rolls]

About time these journalists started pointing out that FoH are trying to buy a £20m asset for £2.5 million. It may help people understand the magnitude of the task.

It would also bring balance to the story and maybe help Johnny Yam to face facts. Up until now the media have been complicit in the whole charade. They should have a look at Kickback, and weep at the creatures they have created.

[#FromTheCapital]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

Exactly how does this thread embarrass you? There's plenty of other threads discussing how ***** we are. The only embarrassment here is Heart of Midlothian football club.

[Joe6-2]

This has brightened up my Monday morning, just a bit!

[magpie1892]

'With all of the uncertainty at Tynecastle, BDO are not selling season tickets, but with around £100,000 a month required to keep the club going, revenue would need to be raised over the summer months.'

Eh? The cost of running Yak is £1.2m a year? I think he means £100k a week.

[Gus Fring]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

You can tell you haven't been reading this thread. If they make the 1st division it'll be a minor miracle.

Leigh said said it best yesterday "Hearts are going bust"

[MrSmith]

About time these journalists started pointing out that FoH are trying to buy a £20m asset for £2.5 million. It may help people understand the magnitude of the task.

It would also bring balance to the story and maybe help Johnny Yam to face facts. Up until now the media have been complicit in the whole charade. They should have a look at Kickback, and weep at the creatures they have created.

Isn't this a bit of a red herring now? As a example, Vlad bought the old bank building on St. Andrews Square for £20m and its now valued in the region of £4m. I recall reading an article in the EEN when the empire collapsed and this figure given. May not be fact could be the "EEN understands" but my question is, is Tynie worth £20m given what would require to be done to bring it up to development status? The land is def worth more than £2.5m but reality?

[greenpaper55]

What about this in the EN , http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-administrators-seek-political-help-over-cva-1-3359075

next fat Eck will flying over to beg them to get a move on.

[itslegaltender]

What about this in the EN , http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-administrators-seek-political-help-over-cva-1-3359075

next fat Eck will flying over to beg them to get a move on.

Nothing to do with Eck, more like the Labour diddies Foulkes and Murray.

[The Sea-gull]

Is this the Yam way? Good news stories come out after a bad result on the park to deflect from the result and bad news stories come out after a good result as their hoards are too busy wallowing in beating the wee team and too hung over to notice that they are in reality ****ed.

[Gus Fring]

What about this in the EN , http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-administrators-seek-political-help-over-cva-1-3359075

next fat Eck will flying over to beg them to get a move on.

Not the first time they've tried this. The Lithuanian ambassador for the UK was over here a few months ago and Jackson tried to set up a meeting. His request was ignored.

[Waxy]

Is this the Yam way? Good news stories come out after a bad result on the park to deflect from the result and bad news stories come out after a good result as their hoards are too busy wallowing in beating the wee team and too hung over to notice that they are in reality ****ed.
Seems that way.

[#FromTheCapital]

What about this in the EN , http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-administrators-seek-political-help-over-cva-1-3359075

next fat Eck will flying over to beg them to get a move on.

What a fat slavering eejit Foulkes is.

"If we move towards liquidation the creditors get nothing at all". Actually Georgie boy they'd get more from liquidation than a cva. Roaster

[nribs]

You can tell you haven't been reading this thread. If they make the 1st division it'll be a minor miracle.

Leigh said said it best yesterday "Hearts are going bust"

Seriously Baj what odds would you give for

Hearts exiting admin prior to the start of next season

Hearts still being in admin at the start of next season

Hearts being Liquidated before the start of next season :wink:

[green glory]

What about this in the EN , http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-administrators-seek-political-help-over-cva-1-3359075 next fat Eck will flying over to beg them to get a move on.

Hardly.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Things seem to be panning out ever so nicely.

[GlasgowHibee]

Some tweets lifted from the FOH twitter.


The press are speculating today on liquidation. This is nothing new as we have always known if deal fails that was a possibility....(1/3)


Meetings of 7th April r critical in getting agreement. Fridays meeting was postponed to then to allow UBIG & UKIO to be done together (2/3)


BDO and others will be working round the clock this week to smooth agreement. We are confident common sense will prevail. (3/3)

[McPhisto2]

With these jammy *******s having rode their luck for decades, what are the potential things that could happen that could see the CVA being approved and everything going their way?

Sorry if this is a simplistic question, but with what they got away with yesterday (penalty and legit goal) I just don't want to see this mob somehow get away with not being liquidated.

[Twa Cairpets]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

Some people have the ability to multi-task. I can be p****d off at yesterdays game and still be happy in the knowledge that the joy our repugnant neighbours felt at reducing the deficit on the rest of the league to a mere 18 points will soon be replaced by the cold reality is that it may well be the last time it happens for a generation.

Not in the slightest embarrassed by the thread

[Waxy]

Wasn't BJ over in Lithland just a few weeks ago and came back without saying a word? ( that sounds promising not).
Anyway i'm sure they have his number and will call when something happens.Tick tock.

[Gus Fring]

Seriously Baj what odds would you give for

Hearts exiting admin prior to the start of next season

Hearts still being in admin at the start of next season

Hearts being Liquidated before the start of next season :wink:

Technically 1 & 3 go hand in hand. I'd give 500/1 on #2 though.

[MartinfaePorty]

Love the use of that most hated (well by me, anyway) phrase 'common sense'. Generally used by people who can't believe that anyone could possibly disagree with their own opinion! Would it not be 'common sense' to reject the offer and sell the land; thus recouping more funds to pay creditors?

[Gus Fring]

Love the use of that most hated (well by me, anyway) phrase 'common sense'. Generally used by people who can't believe that anyone could possibly disagree with their own opinion! Would it not be 'common sense' to reject the offer and sell the land; thus recouping more funds to pay creditors?

:agree: It's a childish tactic used by amateurs. Implying your opponent is less intelligent for taking the route you want them to avoid with no evidence to back it up.

[mim]

According to the BBC red button text service 'BDO are waiting for UBIG's 50% shareholding to be transferred for a fee of around £2.5m.'
Really??
Bet u didn't know that - clowns.

[Sergey]

I'm an MP has spoken - little surprise that he jumped ship, eh!

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/hearts-could-face-liquidation-if-no-deal-soon-1-3359252


“If the 7 April meeting either doesn’t take place or isn’t very positive, then I think everyone has known for some time that liquidation is a possibility,”


“We are all worried. We want to get this over the line. It’s been going on too long now and the information coming out of Lithuania is inconsistent or incomplete.


There is nothing we can do about it.

They wouldn't listen - but it's now sinking in.

[BarneyK]

I'm an MP has spoken - little surprise that he jumped ship, eh!

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/hearts-could-face-liquidation-if-no-deal-soon-1-3359252







They wouldn't listen - but it's now sinking in.


“If we move towards liquidation, the creditors get nothing at all. It should be in their interests to agree this CVA as quickly as possible,” Foulkes told the Evening News.

Still peddling this nonsense in the hope the Liths will forget about the security on Tynie.

[Dashing Bob S]

I'm an MP has spoken - little surprise that he jumped ship, eh!

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/hearts-could-face-liquidation-if-no-deal-soon-1-3359252







They wouldn't listen - but it's now sinking in.


It ain't over till the fat self-serving politician squeals....

[SurferRosa]

“If we move towards liquidation, the creditors get nothing at all. It should be in their interests to agree this CVA as quickly as possible,” Foulkes told the Evening News.

Still peddling this nonsense in the hope the Liths will forget about the security on Tynie.

Yep, this has been irritating me as well. It`s garbage. The only creditor getting anything anyway is UKIO. An asset sale wont change that, in fact they`d get more if the whole lot was sold for something closer to it`s true value.

Trying to frighten the Liths into accepting sweetie money by suggesting they`ll get nowt if a liquidation takes place. Surely the Lithuanian admins and creditors wouldn`t be so utterly stupid they`d believe this pish...

[Gus Fring]

Yep, this has been irritating me as well. It`s garbage. The only creditor getting anything anyway is UKIO. An asset sale wont change that, in fact they`d get more if the whole lot was sold for something closer to it`s true value.

Trying to frighten the Liths into accepting sweetie money by suggesting they`ll get nowt if a liquidation takes place. Surely the Lithuanian admins and creditors wouldn`t be so utterly stupid they`d believe this pish...

We would hope not given they are in this very business. BDO, FoH and Foulkes are using tactics that it seems the lith admins aren't going to fall for it. Friday was the first real chance they've had to look over this and make a decision and they said "something smells fishy".

Remember last week when it was green lights and rubber stamps all the way?

[Seveno]

I am sure that with a number of small contributions from netters, we could commission a desk top valuation for the land at the PBS from the likes of Ryden.

Cala aren't interested anymore as they have shifted their model to high value detached houses. Tesco are unlikely to be interested either as they are developing the smaller convenience shops. In any case, that area is now saturated with Supermarkets.

The most likely source of a buyer would be from down south. They would not be influenced by any political nonsense and would see the potential of a piece of land so close to the city centre. BDO said in their report that it would fetch £7.5m without the distilllery issue (which we know is nonsense) and the hordes of marauding football thugs (similar nonsense).

I would think that at £7.5m, the budgie interest would disappear like feathers off a dead parrot. It could conceivably go for more though and, if I was a creditor, I would want a truly independent report free of any BDO influence.

[leggeto]

Just on the radio a real chance of liquidation if the meeting keeps getting delayed,here's hoping eh

[Waxy]

Just on the radio a real chance of liquidation if the meeting keeps getting delayed,here's hoping eh

The Hibs.net financial dudes told us this eons ago.

[leggeto]

The Hibs.net financial dudes told us this eons ago.

I know but its good to hear it again,especially after that yesterday

[Col2]

Its the rubber stamp i feel the most sorry for.

He has been well and truly led up the garden path and even reassured by his mate the green light.

What's the future for him now? Its the little people that come of worse in this sort of mess.

Also...has anyone checked in with Bulgaria? I fear the tears will have stopped flowing....

[nribs]

Just on the radio a real chance of liquidation if the meeting keeps getting delayed,here's hoping eh

Rubbish they were out of admin before Christmas. A gasman told me!!

[GreenLake]

Platini will launch a full blown EUFA investigation if British Government Officials force through the CVA in Lithuania. It will be seen as State Aid giving Hearts an unfair financial advantage over their Champions League rivals Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Juventus.

[mim]

According to the BBC red button text service 'BDO are waiting for UBIG's 50% shareholding to be transferred for a fee of around £2.5m.'
Really??
Bet u didn't know that - clowns.
I see the clowns have dropped the story from the main football headlines and amended the Round the UK Scotland article to omit the nonsense about £2.5 mil. £50,000 isn't it?

[killie-hibby]

Serious question does any Hibs fan really care what happens to Hearts anymore ?
They will be in Div 1 next year (hopefully we wont join them) and probably for a few seasons more.

Hibs have their own problems and I simply cant believe any Hibs fan is still bothered about Hearts plight.

Folk who say if i am not bothered why post? Check I have maybe 4 post on this thread and none for months I stopped caring a long time ago.

IMHO this thread is getting embarrasing we should let this thread drop away and concentrate on our own problems.

This thread is informative and a healthy diversion from our own problems.
What I find embarrassing is that Scotland's MSM do not have the guts and/or motivation to research and publish information readily available as highlighted by CWG and Bajilions et al.

[Dashing Bob S]

I'm still confident that in the absence of the 'rubber stamp' and the 'green light', 'common sense' will prevail. After all, if Hearts are liquidated then their trophies might be rescinded, resulting in Germany claiming WW1 & WW2 and everybody having to wear jackboots. China, who dominate the shoe industry, would hold a gun to the head of the west. Nope, way too much at stake here.

[emerald green]

EEN - "Hearts administrators BDO will enlist political help in an effort to save the Edinburgh club following crunch talks at Tynecastle yesterday" bla bla bla. It goes on to say Foulkes has already petitioned Lith's UK ambassador for help & is "helping" arrange for Jackson to meet him in person this week. "He admitted he was concerned about the prospect of Hearts being liquidated if the shares are not transferred to prospective owner Ann Budge in the next few weeks, despite a CVA being agreed in November." HO HO HO. They are s******* themselves now. Foulkes running around trying to make out he is the saviour when he was instrumental in them being in this mess in the first place. I know we don't have our problems to seek at HFC, but thankfully nowhere near as serious as this. Pleasing. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

“If we move towards liquidation, the creditors get nothing at all. It should be in their interests to agree this CVA as quickly as possible,” Foulkes told the Evening News.

Still peddling this nonsense in the hope the Liths will forget about the security on Tynie.


:agree:

This is now the official phrase to be recited by all, in an attempt to deflect reality. It's now been said by Foulkes and Murray, and is being repeated ad-infinitum on the Scotsman comments.

[Waxy]

They do sound desperate.

[Weststandwanab]

Not the first time they've tried this. The Lithuanian ambassador for the UK was over here a few months ago and Jackson tried to set up a meeting. His request was ignored. I think Lithuania as a country have more pressing issues now than a couple of mil from Escotia !


What a fat slavering eejit Foulkes is.

"If we move towards liquidation the creditors get nothing at all". Actually Georgie boy they'd get more from liquidation than a cva. RoasterThat is a bit hash on slavering eejits.


Seriously Baj what odds would you give for

Hearts exiting admin prior to the start of next season

Hearts still being in admin at the start of next season

Hearts being Liquidated before the start of next season :wink: Oh can I play this game ?


Technically 1 & 3 go hand in hand. I'd give 500/1 on #2 though. would give short odds on 3 days after the season finishes.


“If we move towards liquidation, the creditors get nothing at all. It should be in their interests to agree this CVA as quickly as possible,” Foulkes told the Evening News.

Still peddling this nonsense in the hope the Liths will forget about the security on Tynie. Not quite true, one creditor will, relatively speaking, do quite well.


It ain't over till the fat self-serving politician squeals.... or gets Colin Nished


I am sure that with a number of small contributions from netters, we could commission a desk top valuation for the land at the PBS from the likes of Ryden.

Cala aren't interested anymore as they have shifted their model to high value detached houses. Tesco are unlikely to be interested either as they are developing the smaller convenience shops. In any case, that area is now saturated with Supermarkets.

The most likely source of a buyer would be from down south. They would not be influenced by any political nonsense and would see the potential of a piece of land so close to the city centre. BDO said in their report that it would fetch £7.5m without the distilllery issue (which we know is nonsense) and the hordes of marauding football thugs (similar nonsense).

I would think that at £7.5m, the budgie interest would disappear like feathers off a dead parrot. It could conceivably go for more though and, if I was a creditor, I would want a truly independent report free of any BDO influence. It will disappear at about £3.5m in my opinion


The Hibs.net financial dudes told us this eons ago. Why thank you- keep the faith


Rubbish they were out of admin before Christmas. A gasman told me!! That will be the first Christmas after the big L

[Kato]

They cheated and lied their way into administration and now they are trying to cheat and lie their way out of it. All too believeable.

[semaj64]

I am sure that with a number of small contributions from netters, we could commission a desk top valuation for the land at the PBS from the likes of Ryden.

Cala aren't interested anymore as they have shifted their model to high value detached houses. Tesco are unlikely to be interested either as they are developing the smaller convenience shops. In any case, that area is now saturated with Supermarkets.

The most likely source of a buyer would be from down south. They would not be influenced by any political nonsense and would see the potential of a piece of land so close to the city centre. BDO said in their report that it would fetch £7.5m without the distilllery issue (which we know is nonsense) and the hordes of marauding football thugs (similar nonsense).

I would think that at £7.5m, the budgie interest would disappear like feathers off a dead parrot. It could conceivably go for more though and, if I was a creditor, I would want a truly independent report free of any BDO influence.

I also note that house prices near the Tram fiasco are to increase, given the PBS is close to the Murrayfield stop could raise a bit move value. Could be the only 'good' aspect of the tram!!

[greenginger]

I am sure that with a number of small contributions from netters, we could commission a desk top valuation for the land at the PBS from the likes of Ryden.

Cala aren't interested anymore as they have shifted their model to high value detached houses. Tesco are unlikely to be interested either as they are developing the smaller convenience shops. In any case, that area is now saturated with Supermarkets.

The most likely source of a buyer would be from down south. They would not be influenced by any political nonsense and would see the potential of a piece of land so close to the city centre. BDO said in their report that it would fetch £7.5m without the distilllery issue (which we know is nonsense) and the hordes of marauding football thugs (similar nonsense).

I would think that at £7.5m, the budgie interest would disappear like feathers off a dead parrot. It could conceivably go for more though and, if I was a creditor, I would want a truly independent report free of any BDO influence.


The maximum value of the PBS can only be ascertained when the site has been completely cleared, and any stigma attached to depriving the Famous of a home has been removed.

Developers will be able to work with the planning dept. to get the maximum value from the site.

in other words get Scotdem in before advertising the dump. :greengrin