Share Transfers Agreed/Cooling off period

[monktonharp]

That's what people keep forgetting with this. The punishments were laid down as a deterrent, and when Rangers went to the wall Hearts should have realised no club was too big to fail and done something about their own predicament pronto.

They didn't and now they'll just have to live with it. They'll be an example for other clubs to try and avoid following.most on here knew, and we'd known for ages that the same would happen to the gorgie mob.I think the big problem over there, is that the majority of their fans thought it would all just go away, so there was no real need to protest, or form a front, to take the club on. sadly, there was , I think a splinter group which recognised that it was not quite as rosy as it seemed. they never got enough backing from ordinary fans. the ordinary gorgie boy, kept thinking, 1902, 5-1 well worth it, and the ones I meet in the pub are still thinking that.

[monktonharp]

This is getting tiresome.

You know what, Kickback can never again harp on about some media conspiracy against Hearts.ok mr todd, leave Harps ootay it, awrite:wink:

[GloryGlory]

most on here knew, and we'd known for ages that the same would happen to the gorgie mob.I think the big problem over there, is that the majority of their fans thought it would all just go away, so there was no real need to protest, or form a front, to take the club on. sadly, there was , I think a splinter group which recognised that it was not quite as rosy as it seemed. they never got enough backing from ordinary fans. the ordinary gorgie boy, kept thinking, 1902, 5-1 well worth it, and the ones I meet in the pub are still thinking that.

Well, unlike Rangers, they did after all owe the money to themselves, so they had every reason to suppose it wouldn't happen to them. :greengrin :na na:

[Ozyhibby]

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-will-bid-again-for-embargo-to-be-lifted-1-3261930

Fresh appeal. Appears to have moved on from Health and Safety to purely financial.
:-)

[greenpaper55]

Wait a minute, Jackson fears that crowds will dwindle if they cannot sign more players ! what if they start to beat the other teams then the other teams crowds will dwindle. Only Hearts would have the brass neck to try something like this , the sooner they are relegated the better.

[cocopops1875]

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-will-bid-again-for-embargo-to-be-lifted-1-3261930

Fresh appeal. Appears to have moved on from Health and Safety to purely financial.
:-)

Could it be that they are trying to force the hand of the SPFL to give them the 12th place money ?
By going in with the lifting embargo chat based on finance, they must know that won't get lifted but they might accept paying them as a justifiable evil ?

[GreenLake]

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-will-bid-again-for-embargo-to-be-lifted-1-3261930

Fresh appeal. Appears to have moved on from Health and Safety to purely financial.
:-)

"Heart's administrators fear that unless they become more competitive in the second half of the season, home crowds at Tynecastle could dwindle, which would be a serious financial blow......"

They are only concerned when the financial blows are on them and not when they are blowing the finances of others. Home crowds were vastly increased during the years of financial doping so wild swings in equilibrium ought to be expected and deserved. Wee crowds, wee team, we laugh.

[Craig_in_Prague]

I'm convinced this ugly freak, will just do anything and everything he can, to look as if he tried his all to help Hearts. So when the padlocks are up, and he recieves his firms million pound cheque, he will feel at ease with himself.

[matty_f]

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hearts-will-bid-again-for-embargo-to-be-lifted-1-3261930

Fresh appeal. Appears to have moved on from Health and Safety to purely financial.
:-)
If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

[Waxy]

Reckon they're scared we might hit them for 7 again in the last derby.

[stokesmessiah]

They really are disgusting. What exactly would happen if they did catch one of the other teams??

[Hibee87]

I'm convinced this ugly freak, will just do anything and everything he can, to look as if he tried his all to help Hearts. So when the padlocks are up, and he recieves his firms million pound cheque, he will feel at ease with himself.

Had a similiar discussion witha colleague tyhe other day,

BDO seem to specialise in administration of football clubs. If they went in and liquidated hearts quickly, any team in the future who enter admin would prob be thinking twice about appointing BDO. However what BDo have done here is take on a basketcase of a club and are making all the right noised about trying to save this prou institution blah blah blah, so in future any club entering admin might think oh that BDO seem to try the hardest.

[Caversham Green]

They really are disgusting. What exactly would happen if they did catch one of the other teams??

:agree: If Killie or one of the other clubs go into administration HoMFC immediately have an unfair advantage unless they're allowed to sign players too.

[GloryGlory]

If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

:agree: It's up to the Yams as employer to comply with H&S legislation and to exercise a duty of care towards their employees' wellbeing.

It is also up to the Yams as a member club to comply with the rules of the SFA/SPFL.

[GloryGlory]

"Heart's administrators fear that unless they become more competitive in the second half of the season, home crowds at Tynecastle could dwindle, which would be a serious financial blow......"

They are only concerned when the financial blows are on them and not when they are blowing the finances of others. Home crowds were vastly increased during the years of financial doping so wild swings in equilibrium ought to be expected and deserved. Wee crowds, wee team, we laugh.

Well, every team that isn't doing well tends to suffer a fall-off in attendances. So what?

And anyway, haven't they got 10k+ season tickets, so the potential for fall-off is actually quite limited.

[Phil D. Rolls]

"Heart's administrators fear that unless they become more competitive in the second half of the season, home crowds at Tynecastle could dwindle, which would be a serious financial blow......"

They are only concerned when the financial blows are on them and not when they are blowing the finances of others. Home crowds were vastly increased during the years of financial doping so wild swings in equilibrium ought to be expected and deserved. Wee crowds, wee team, we laugh.

:agree:


They really are disgusting. What exactly would happen if they did catch one of the other teams??

I'm sure they would do the sporting thing and take relegation anyway.

[Onion]

If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

:agree: Let's see what action they take. Next stage should be take it to the PFA - if they have genuine concerns about the health or safety of their employees.

Everyone knows this is going nowhere. Yams cheating and coniving since 1874.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

Why don't the players complain to the union if they are so scared about their H&S?

This is total BS from BDO and frankly embarrassing...and I'm loving it :greengrin

[TrinityHibs]

Well, every team that isn't doing well tends to suffer a fall-off in attendances. So what?

And anyway, haven't they got 10k+ season tickets, so the potential for fall-off is actually quite limited.

I think the drop from 400,000 to 10,000 might be more than limited. Still tell them to stroll on.:agree:

[Just Alf]

They keep going on about how Rangers/The Rangers were treated better and got time before the registration embargo......

You know what? The SPFL/SFA should turn around now and say

"on reflection the over 21's embargo we gave you for not paying players was a bit mean, so yes, as of today we're cancelling the punishment. you want to be just like Rangers so of course the embargo for being in admin still stands, all you have to do is come out of admin, or like Rangers, liquidate and become a new club, we're sure "The Hearts" can sign someone"

[Onion]

:agree: It's up to the Yams as employer to comply with H&S legislation and to exercise a duty of care towards their employees' wellbeing.

It is also up to the Yams as a member club to comply with the rules of the SFA/SPFL.

This is an employer who refused to pay its employees, so really think they'll give a toss about H&S legislation ? IMHO this is merely the start of the games. The whining and excuses will grow increasingly desperate and extreme as the weeks go by, and the money runs out.

Expect more.

[robinp]

They keep going on about how Rangers/The Rangers were treated better and got time before the registration embargo...... You know what? The SPFL/SFA should turn around now and say "on reflection the over 21's embargo we gave you for not paying players was a bit mean, so yes, as of today we're cancelling the punishment. you want to be just like Rangers so of course the embargo for being in admin still stands, all you have to do is come out of admin, or like Rangers, liquidate and become a new club, we're sure "The Hearts" can sign someone"

This is the best bit, rangers also got an immediate embargo on their intention to appoint an admin and Daniel Cousin was not registered by the SFA. NEWCO got a bit of leeway, not Oldco in administration. Another YAM lie being spouted!

2 totally different scenarios.

[steviehibsleith]

Says we are no threat in the league but omits that additional players will help them in the Semi of the league cup. For arguments sake they are allowed to sign a few players and they beat Inverness , cheating again and the governing bodies allowed it.

[Onion]

They really are disgusting. What exactly would happen if they did catch one of the other teams??

Not only that, if they're allowed to add more/better players that will affect all their results and could have an impact on top 6 / Euro places.

Said before, this is just posturing by BDO and the SPFL will tell them to GTF. The people who have cocked this up is HMFC - on one else, no excuses.

[Onion]

Says we are no threat in the league but omits that additional players will help them in the Semi of the league cup. For arguments sake they are allowed to sign a few players and they beat Inverness , cheating again and the governing bodies allowed it.

:agree:

Allow them to sign players on following conditions:

1. they forfeit their SPFL place and accept relegation at end of season irrespective of position.
2. they forfeit all matches 0-3, irrespective of score.
3. they forfeit the LC semi 0-3 to ICT.
4. they apologise to every other SPFL/Scottish club.
5. away fans are allowed into the PBS for free for rest of season.

Commit to that, and we'll have a think about lifting the embargo. Get back to you in a couple of weeks :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

If we see the public face of Billy Brown, imagine what he's like behind closed doors? I reckon Jackson has to face the snot nosed little guttersnipe daily, and try to reason with him.

I reckon this is as much about humouring Brown as anyone else.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Read Bob Dylan McGowan's rant in today's paper about them not knowing what Romanov's regime were up to and how the players have been hit hard by the sanctions. Well Bob, perhaps if you looked for a new club who were more professionally run and looked after their staff a little better then you and your jumbo chums wouldn't feel so bitter about your sorry state of affairs. You must remember, you were happy to collect continual late wages so don't come out with all this pizh now. You and yer mates KNEW exactly what was round the corner. So don't kid yourselves. No wonder Scottish fitbaw wants your lot down!

[Onion]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-rivals-call-spfl-kick-3003380?

As we all knew, this is going nowhere.

[GreenLake]

If we see the public face of Billy Brown, imagine what he's like behind closed doors? I reckon Jackson has to face the snot nosed little guttersnipe daily, and try to reason with him.

I reckon this is as much about humouring Brown as anyone else.

I thought his contract was ending this month. He is making a song and dance for an extension otherwise he'll be at the soup kitchens in a week or two.

[Weststandwanab]

Had a similiar discussion witha colleague tyhe other day,

BDO seem to specialise in administration of football clubs. If they went in and liquidated hearts quickly, any team in the future who enter admin would prob be thinking twice about appointing BDO. However what BDo have done here is take on a basketcase of a club and are making all the right noised about trying to save this prou institution blah blah blah, so in future any club entering admin might think oh that BDO seem to try the hardest. In Darts terminology One Hundred and Eighty.

[worcesterhibby]

All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20.

Outfield Players Dundee Utd

Wilson - 29
Robertson - 19
Paton - 26
soutar - 17
Gunning - 22
Mackay-Steven - 23
Rankin - 30
Ciftci - 21
Gauld - 18
Armstrong 21

Average age- 22.6

How many under 20 ? = 3

Outfield Players Hearts

McGhee - 17
McHattie - 20
Robinson - 21
McKay - 21
McGowan - 22
Tapping - 20
Hammill - 27
Stevenson - 29
Walker - 20
Paterson 19

Average age - 21.6

How many under 20 = 1

[ronaldo7]

All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20.

Outfield Players Dundee Utd

Wilson - 29
Robertson - 19
Paton - 26
soutar - 17
Gunning - 22
Mackay-Steven - 23
Rankin - 30
Ciftci - 21
Gauld - 18
Armstrong 21

Average age- 22.6

How many under 20 ? = 3

Outfield Players Hearts

McGhee - 17
McHattie - 20
Robinson - 21
McKay - 21
McGowan - 22
Tapping - 20
Hammill - 27
Stevenson - 29
Walker - 20
Paterson 19

Average age - 21.6

How many under 20 = 1

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[RyeSloan]

All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20. Outfield Players Dundee Utd Wilson - 29 Robertson - 19 Paton - 26 soutar - 17 Gunning - 22 Mackay-Steven - 23 Rankin - 30 Ciftci - 21 Gauld - 18 Armstrong 21 Average age- 22.6 How many under 20 ? = 3 Outfield Players Hearts McGhee - 17 McHattie - 20 Robinson - 21 McKay - 21 McGowan - 22 Tapping - 20 Hammill - 27 Stevenson - 29 Walker - 20 Paterson 19 Average age - 21.6 How many under 20 = 1

How can Hammill only be 27!!! **** me that's some paper round!!!

[greenpaper55]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-rivals-call-spfl-kick-3003380?

As we all knew, this is going nowhere.

To right, at last other teams are coming out against their appeal and this must put an end to this nonsense.

[Jim44]

Dylan McGowan saying that the players were unaware of the seriousness of their position. They thought late payments etc. were due to minor hiccups in Lithuania. They were given no indication of the hardships they would face this season before they slipped into administration. Funny how every man and his dog saw it coming and it appears that it wasn't only the fans who were ostriches.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Dylan McGowan saying that the players were unaware of the seriousness of their position. They thought late payments etc. were due to minor hiccups in Lithuania. They were given no indication of the hardships they would face this season before they slipped into administration. Funny how every man and his dog saw it coming and it appears that it wasn't only the fans who were ostriches.

At what point, after the back room staff at the PBS had been paid off, did he start to suspect that it was more than a hiccup?

[BS44]

Dylan McGowan saying that the players were unaware of the seriousness of their position. They thought late payments etc. were due to minor hiccups in Lithuania. They were given no indication of the hardships they would face this season before they slipped into administration. Funny how every man and his dog saw it coming and it appears that it wasn't only the fans who were ostriches.

They knew how serious it was but they didn't give a flying as long as they got eventually got their wages

[s.a.m]

From the Record:

Sports Hotline: Rival fans show no sympathy over Hearts' transfer embargo appeal EUAN McLEAN answers your calls as rival supporters quash pleas for the authorities to lift Hearts' transfer ban.

9 Jan 2014 00:01 (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/by-date/09-01-2014)


http://i1.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article2993811.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS30803702-2993811.jpg Hearts boss Gary LockeBill Murray/SNS Group

IF the object of a newspaper column is to spark debate then David McCarthy’s piece on Hearts certainly did its job.
The Hotline was red hot with callers giving their tuppence worth on his call for the authorities to give the Jambos rookies a break with the lifting of the transfer embargo.
So tin hats on as we kick off with......

Davy Leslie , who emailed: “Unbelievable piece on Hearts and ‘sporting integrity.’
“Where was the integrity when Hearts never paid bills and overpaid players they could not afford? And McCarthy comes out with all this compassion guff.
“Why not do a piece on how Hearts got into this mess instead of fawning all over them like a mother hen?”

Ian Gallagher, Leith , said: “David McCarthy was the Hearts writer during his days working for the Edinburgh Evening News and I think he’s acting as a publicist for the Jambos here.
“If you do the crime you have to take the punishment, just as Rangers had to suffer. And remember that Hearts were one of the clubs Rangers accused of being unsympathetic to their plight.
“At the start of the season they were quite willing to accept their punishment because they felt with the squad they had they could catch up with the rest and close the deficit.
“Now they’re not winning and suddenly they’re calling for the embargo to be eased.
“What would happen if the SPFL relented and suddenly a strengthened squad got close to catching Ross County before the end of the season? Would that be fair? Rules are rules.”

Alan McGaw, Alloa, said: “I know Hearts have a lot of young players and I feel sorry for their fans but Rangers suffered too and Hearts cannot be made a special case.
“If they change the rules for Hearts then it makes a rod for the SPFL’s back if any other clubs go through administration in the future.”
But there was support for lending a helping hand.

Gordon Fraser, Edinburgh, said: “I’ve been a Hearts fan for over 40 years and I don’t think they have any hope of the transfer embargo being lifted. However, perhaps the SFA should allow them to sign two experienced players on a loan basis until the end of the season.”

Alex Hunter, Kirkcaldy, said: “I’m a season-ticket holder and pay my donation to the Foundation of Hearts every month. I go home and away and think the treatment of Hearts is punishing the wrong people.
“These young boys are getting slaughtered every week by experienced professionals and they need assistance from the SPFL.
“Personally, I would have preferred them to be demoted to the bottom league like Rangers and allowed to rebuild from scratch again.”
Now brace yourself for this one from

Gerry Crombie, Edinburgh, who said: “Hibs have got to remember it was Hearts who saved them when Wallace Mercer tried to take over. If he hadn’t done that, they wouldn’t have had Tom Farmer step in and buy them.
“I think Hearts were treated worse than Rangers. I know Gers got a £60,000 fine but they were allowed to sign players before their embargo started.”

Ian Hunter, Penicuik, said: “I would like to ask the Glasgow caller who thinks none of the Hearts players is good enough why the SFA have picked six of them for the Scotland Under 21s? He should keep his senseless comments to himself.”
Last word on the Hearts debate was a more general point from

Adam McMinn, Edinburgh , who emailed: “I’m no fan of Vladimir Romanov but let’s not forget the club debt was around £20million when he took over from The Pieman, Chris Robinson.
“Romanov should have used his money to write off the debt but as a businessman he chose to hold it in his own bank until he wanted out or, as has happened, his empire collapsed.The point is there is more than one person to blame.”

[The_Todd]

Footballers are either dense or just didn't want to see it. Jambogeddon was coming a mile off. If the players couldn't put two and two together then it doesn't say much for their intellect.

[brog]

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

[GodisaHibee]

I'm outraged at Gerry Crombie's comment in the D.
R. Debate above.

Epitome of a roaster.


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[PapillonVert]

Read Bob Dylan McGowan's rant in today's paper about them not knowing what Romanov's regime were up to and how the players have been hit hard by the sanctions. Well Bob, perhaps if you looked for a new club who were more professionally run and looked after their staff a little better then you and your jumbo chums wouldn't feel so bitter about your sorry state of affairs. You must remember, you were happy to collect continual late wages so don't come out with all this pizh now. You and yer mates KNEW exactly what was round the corner. So don't kid yourselves. No wonder Scottish fitbaw wants your lot down!

This "we never knew a thing was wrong and so it's not our fault" is just so much hogwash.

1. HoMFC were regularly at the door of the court over unpaid tax/VAT etc;
2. A FoI application would quickly have revealed regularly unpaid council tax / police bill etc.
3. Suppliers were regularly raising actions in the summary cause court over unpaid bills;
4. Wages were continuously unpaid on the due date;
5. The share issue disappeared into a black hole almost as soon as the money was received;
6. The published wages-to-turnover ratio was always well in excess of safe levels and virtually always over 100%;
7. The debt levels were published annually and artificial write-offs regularly applied to make things look better than they were.
8. Even before Romanov arrived, the debt levels and spending to get success were unsustainable so the club has "previous" in all this.

In other words, it has been obvious to a blind man for years that the business model was unsustainable. And now, that shameless club wants to walk away from all its bad practices and start afresh as if nothing has happened.

The football authorities must stand firm on this and not allow this bunch of chancers to avoid the consequences of their own actions and choices. That would be totally unfair to all those clubs who have paid their dues and lived within their means.

The MSM has covered and continues to cover itself in total ignominy over the way it has reported this whole debacle.

[Phil D. Rolls]

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

Sneaked under the radar, didn't it? :agree:

[MB62]

Alex Hunter, Kirkcaldy, said: “I’m a season-ticket holder and pay my donation to the Foundation of Hearts every month. I go home and away and think the treatment of Hearts is punishing the wrong people.
“These young boys are getting slaughtered every week by experienced professionals and they need assistance from the SPFL.
“Personally, I would have preferred them to be demoted to the bottom league like Rangers and allowed to rebuild from scratch again.”

Rangers were never demoted to the bottom league, they were liquidated and a new company THE Rangers were voted IN to the bottom league ahead of the likes of Spartans and others.
These guys are absolutely clueless and no wonder they are in the 5h1t.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Ian Hunter, Penicuik, said: “I would like to ask the Glasgow caller who thinks none of the Hearts players is good enough why the SFA have picked six of them for the Scotland Under 21s? He should keep his senseless comments to himself.”

If they are any good, why have they only picked up 13 points?

[greenginger]

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

They will have income from the Cup semi at Easter Road, unless they reck the seats again ! :greengrin

[Geo_1875]

I'm almost embarrassed for them. It must be hard to write ***** like that with crayons.

[Famous Fiver]

Ian Hunter, Penicuik is an unreconstructed Hearts neanderthal who hasn't got a clue.

What was the score when Scotland played England with these six bright young things involved? 6 (six) 0 (Nil)

I rest my case m'lud.

[Craig_in_Prague]

They will have income from the Cup semi at Easter Road, unless they reck the seats again ! :greengrin

I think it's just perfect, that they'll lose a semi at ER & leave there feeling sick again.

It just, gets better.

Pleasing.

[Saorsa]

Ian Hunter, Penicuik is an unreconstructed Hearts neanderthal who hasn't got a clue.

What was the score when Scotland played England with these six bright young things involved? 6 (six) 0 (Nil)

I rest my case m'lud.I've no seen the Scotland U21's for a while by they must have gone right doon the pan if they're picking 6 from that shower of *****.

[Hibbyradge]

I've no seen the Scotland U21's for a while by they must have gone right doon the pan if they're picking 6 from that shower of *****.

Oh DD, you never have a positive thing to say on these threads.


































































Keep up the good work! :aok:

[HibbySpurs]

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

Regadless of the monetary side what enrages me is their now constant claims to be of "no threat to anyone"........

Hearts will be no threat to anyone in the Premiership when it becomes mathematically impossible for them to catch the team in 11th place. Until then they are a threat and giving them a "shot in the arm" could just tip the balance back in their favour, however unlikely....

Surely this has to be the sole reason why the SPFL simply must reject this "plea"..... What happens if on the last day of the season having been allowed to sign player they catch Ross County and avoid automatic relegation? Will they at that point say "look, you let us sign players to help us and because of that we accumulated enough points to finish 11th so in all fairness we'll take being placed 12th because of this"..... Like **** they would, they'd be off dancing into the night giving all the billy big baws chat of the day again and leave the SPFL to sort out the civil war which would erupt in Scottish Football....

No matter how small the risk (and it is small) the SPFL can not buckle until it becomes a certainty that they are relegation fodder..... Even then it shouldnt be done because :rules: are :rules:

[WindyMiller]

Ian Hunter, Penicuik, said: “I would like to ask the Glasgow caller who thinks none of the Hearts players is good enough why the SFA have picked six of them for the Scotland Under 21s? He should keep his senseless comments to himself.”

If they are any good, why have they only picked up 13 points?



Poor management?


:dunno:

[The Hibee Harp]

Regadless of the monetary side what enrages me is their now constant claims to be of "no threat to anyone"........

Hearts will be no threat to anyone in the Premiership when it becomes mathematically impossible for them to catch the team in 11th place. Until then they are a threat and giving them a "shot in the arm" could just tip the balance back in their favour, however unlikely....

Surely this has to be the sole reason why the SPFL simply must reject this "plea"..... What happens if on the last day of the season having been allowed to sign player they catch Ross County and avoid automatic relegation? Will they at that point say "look, you let us sign players to help us and because of that we accumulated enough points to finish 11th so in all fairness we'll take being placed 12th because of this"..... Like **** they would, they'd be off dancing into the night giving all the billy big baws chat of the day again and leave the SPFL to sort out the civil war which would erupt in Scottish Football....

No matter how small the risk (and it is small) the SPFL can not buckle until it becomes a certainty that they are relegation fodder..... Even then it shouldnt be done because :rules: are :rules:


You are 100% spot on. Even taking aside the relegation issue for one moment, can you image the reaction if Hearts, with players they were allowed to bring in, defeated say St Johnstone to cost them a place in the top six??? or Motherwell for a place in Europe???

No a chance this will be allowed.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Poor management?


:dunno:

It's a possibility, or its just possible that they aren't very good.

[brog]

They will have income from the Cup semi at Easter Road, unless they reck the seats again ! :greengrin

I had thought about that but doubt they'll get that money much before 22 Feb anyway. I believe the clubs collect monies from ticket sales for both cup ties & forward to SPFL. They deduct all admin costs, eg rent to Hibs etc, before distributing cash ( equally shared I believe ) to the 4 teams. I would expect that process to take a minimum of 2 weeks. I really do think they'll struggle ( copyright BB :wink: ) to pay wages etc in that period. Its also possible that the Celtc game will be Relegation day in which case hospitality sales to Yams will be about the same as their current points total!

[brog]

Ian Hunter, Penicuik is an unreconstructed Hearts neanderthal who hasn't got a clue.

What was the score when Scotland played England with these six bright young things involved? 6 (six) 0 (Nil)

I rest my case m'lud.

That says more about Billy Stark's stupidity than it does about the quality of the Yamsters! IIRC their representation diminished each game & was down to 3 by the end with only one or 2 actually playing. However I believe we should give these poor young lads a break & not select them, that way their value will reduce accordingly!! :greengrin

[Fat Penlon]

Can someone help me out here please? I was under the impression that a club in administration couldnt sign/register players? If thats the case then why is BJ trying to have the embargo lifted? what difference will that possibly make? They wont be out of admin in the next 3 weeks so whats the point?

[MB62]

I had thought about that but doubt they'll get that money much before 22 Feb anyway. I believe the clubs collect monies from ticket sales for both cup ties & forward to SPFL. They deduct all admin costs, eg rent to Hibs etc, before distributing cash ( equally shared I believe ) to the 4 teams. I would expect that process to take a minimum of 2 weeks. I really do think they'll struggle ( copyright BB :wink: ) to pay wages etc in that period. Its also possible that the Celtc game will be Relegation day in which case hospitality sales to Yams will be about the same as their current points total!

I had thought about that too. I don't know where the other semi-final is being played but I reckon they will both struggle to attract 20,000 at each game, given each time 10,000 each. As you said, then all other expenses are paid from that, not leaving a lot left for each club. Of course there will be sponsors and T.V. money on top of that but it is not exactly a money spinner for the clubs, until you get to the final itself.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Poor management?


:dunno:


impossible, gary locke is possibly one of the best ever hertz managers....billy brown said so

[cabbageandribs1875]

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!




very VERY pleasing indeed

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

If Hearts are no real threat to anyone else, then why allow any signings to happen? It will not change the outcome and only add to their expenses (even if the choose to play for free)

[cabbageandribs1875]

I had thought about that too. I don't know where the other semi-final is being played but I reckon they will both struggle to attract 20,000 at each game, given each time 10,000 each. As you said, then all other expenses are paid from that, not leaving a lot left for each club. Of course there will be sponsors and T.V. money on top of that but it is not exactly a money spinner for the clubs, until you get to the final itself.



the asbestos arena :agree: hertz rake it in that weekend the ****s

[WHAM]

Hearts can GTF!

The excuses they are giving are laughable!

As others have already stated their average line-up age is only slightly younger then Dundee Utd.

And although they are getting beat most weeks, they are generally only losing by 1 or 2 goals. (except Celtic, Killie, Dundee Utd games). Hardly the embarassing score lines that they are claiming are shattering their young players physical and mental states, or that are bringing the SPFL into disrepute.

No way can the embargo be lifted.

[WindyMiller]

impossible, gary locke is possibly one of the best ever hertz managers....billy brown said so

Fairy nuff.

Billy's been places and done things.

[carnoustiehibee]

All this nonsense about Hearts Young team is really getting on my nerves. Dundee Utd seem to be doing fine in the league with a very young team, the difference in average age between the team Dundee Utd lined up against us and the team hearts lined up against us is just one year different !! and Dundee Utd have far more players under 20.

Outfield Players Dundee Utd

Wilson - 29
Robertson - 19
Paton - 26
soutar - 17
Gunning - 22
Mackay-Steven - 23
Rankin - 30
Ciftci - 21
Gauld - 18
Armstrong 21

Average age- 22.6

How many under 20 ? = 3

Outfield Players Hearts

McGhee - 17
McHattie - 20
Robinson - 21
McKay - 21
McGowan - 22
Tapping - 20
Hammill - 27
Stevenson - 29
Walker - 20
Paterson 19

Average age - 21.6

How many under 20 = 1

Thanks for that. This will come on very handy

[degenerated]

Can no-one see the bigger picture here FFS.
The Germans have been too quiet for too long and billy brown is only worried that if they did choose this season to kick off then hearts would be far too tired to see the Bosch off once more.
So the choices are simple, if you don't fancy speaking german, having to drink decent beer or don't want to wear clothes by Hugo boss then it is your duty to ensure hearts get this ban lifted.

[Springbank]

If anyone thinks I'll be happy driving a Porsche & Mrs Speingbank driving a nifty little VW Beetle then they got another thing coming!

[Aldo]

As others have said this plea has nothing to do with H & S or sporting integrity but as usual is all about cash! There's 2 interesting snippets from recent BJ comments, firstly he talks about exiting admin in April, I haven't seen him quote as late a date as that before. Secondly he talks about the impact of crowds diminishing (to 13,500 presumably). This will really have no immediate impact as, incredibly after Saturday Yams don't have a home game until they play Celtc on Feb 22. Effectively they have 6 weeks without income! Paying extra players, even a pittance, in this period would be nonsensical. I really do believe the end game is approaching & I'm sure this is merely a bargaining tool to get funds released early to allow them to stagger to the end of the season. I do think SPFL would have genuine administrative & public relations concerns if Yams did go under before May. Tick Tock!

It's gonnae be a long month and a bit for those roasters without any income. Next we'll be hearing that the way the fixtures have been drawn are unfair.

This news Brog is very pleasing, very pleasing indeed.

[Biggie]

I wish these ***** had put as much effort into paying their bills !

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Should Hearts go bust then the winners of the Championship will rightly take their place for next season. Playoffs continue as is. No real drama there.

It does offer a new place at the bottom tier for a new club giving the availability of their SPFL membership. I wonder if a Newco can be formed quickly enough to qualify for that membership?

The longer BDO take, the slimmer the chances are of a Newco playing in the SPFL set up. I can't see the Lithuanian legal process with UBIG getting clear anytime soon so surely the right, logical step to take is that of liquidate and Newco sooner rather than later?

[clerriehibs]

I'm reading the Sun cos it's all the pub has, but what an arsepick dylan mcgowan is!

Apparently;
No-one foresaw administration
They believed the flimsy excuses for late wages
The players are now "struggling" - obv some help from BB there

[PatHead]

Can someone help me out here please? I was under the impression that a club in administration couldnt sign/register players? If thats the case then why is BJ trying to have the embargo lifted? what difference will that possibly make? They wont be out of admin in the next 3 weeks so whats the point?

Been wondering that myself. As I am a complete and utter cynic I wonder if Hear7s have received an offer for one or more of their young heroes and want to sell to ensure they have funds to survive until Feb 22nd/April/the end of the season. They don't want to reduce the squad size and want to replace it on a one in/one out basis.

If it is not something like that why would he need a meeting and not follow the Jambo time honoured tradition and write an open letter to the SPFL? Also why wait until Monday to try and make an appointment? Is something liable to happen over the weekend which will change things?

Really hope they die soon but of course it will be everyone else's fault.

[Chump]

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow

[IWasThere2016]

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow

:faf: what a bunch of fannies! They should be freed if they're not up to playing in the professional game.

[Springbank]

Next we'll be hearing that the way the fixtures have been drawn are unfair.

This news Brog is very pleasing, very pleasing indeed.

The fact of the matter re: fixtures 2013/14 is that Brian Jackson could not have hand picked them better

A start to the season that gave hearts a massive cash boost, early, with their 3 most lucrative fixtures as their first three home games (Hibs, Celtc, Aberdeen) none of those away from home.

Of course, the fixture list, like the embargo, only worked in hearts favour if the july2013 yamMasterplan worked.

You remember the one:
Full house every game
Big team
Race to zero by September
Overtake the Hobos by Halloween
Out of admin before Christmas
Rudi, Zal and Naysmith for the new year derby

Not like Hearts to have no plan B is it?

[Danderhall Hibs]

If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

Great shout mate. Part-time football would definitely bring their costs down and reduce their workload.

[easty]

You can join the army and fight on the front line for your country at 18! Those army kids obviously don't know how lucky they are, they could be going through the torture of training at Heriot Watt and then playing a bit (not much though!) of football at the weekend.:wink:

[Gus Fring]

The perfect analogy for is the Battle of Stirling bridge in Braveheart.

The English (Yams) are charging at the Scottish (SFA) with everything they have and going full pelt. The SFA are currently just saying "Hold" "Hold" "Hold" "Hold".

Then when their past the point of no return (End of the season) they'll lift up their spears and relegate them!

[poolman]

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow


Boris Becker won Wimbledon when he was 17

Outrageous,they should have stopped him playing in case the per wee soul got tired oot

[Ozyhibby]

Given his lack of awareness of the world around him, I think the biggest Health & Safety risk faced by Hearts might be letting Dylan McGowan walk around the place unaccompanied.

[HibbySpurs]

Been wondering that myself. As I am a complete and utter cynic I wonder if Hear7s have received an offer for one or more of their young heroes and want to sell to ensure they have funds to survive until Feb 22nd/April/the end of the season. They don't want to reduce the squad size and want to replace it on a one in/one out basis.

If it is not something like that why would he need a meeting and not follow the Jambo time honoured tradition and write an open letter to the SPFL? Also why wait until Monday to try and make an appointment? Is something liable to happen over the weekend which will change things?

Really hope they die soon but of course it will be everyone else's fault.

I think people keep getting the SFA embargo confused with the SPFL rules. The SFA punishment was that Hearts were under a sgining embargo until midnight on 31st January as their punuishment for not paying wages etc.....

What the yams are trying to do here is get the SPFL to break their own rules about clubs in administration not being able to sign players until the insolvency event is rectified....

However at this time if I'm thinking straight they would have to get both the SFA sanction lifted and the SPFL rules changed before they could sign anyone.....

I was a bit concerned the other day that by constatly bleating on about this they would get some joy from either of the two bodies and the other would then have to follow suit but when you look at it it's just so messy that theres no way they can, even if they wanted to (posters on here such as BJ have indicated they dont).

The bottom line is that this comes down to setting precedents (again)..... If the SFA let them off then any team hit with any sanction in the future will make some crying plea to get it overturned and the SFA will have to do so as the club in question will just threaten them with court action on the basis of SFA V HOMFC test case.....

Likewise if the SPFL bend/break/change the rules then exactly the same situations will arise.....

This is even before the potential ramifications to the SPFL of Hearts then winning the league cup and/or avoiding relegation......

If the SFA/SPFL do do something then Scottish football is really up the creek in a barb wire canoe.......

At that point we'd be as well telling the ugly sisters to beat it to England and accepting we will be no better than the LoI.......

[Hibbyradge]

Been wondering that myself. As I am a complete and utter cynic I wonder if Hear7s have received an offer for one or more of their young heroes and want to sell to ensure they have funds to survive until Feb 22nd/April/the end of the season. They don't want to reduce the squad size and want to replace it on a one in/one out basis.

If it is not something like that why would he need a meeting and not follow the Jambo time honoured tradition and write an open letter to the SPFL? Also why wait until Monday to try and make an appointment? Is something liable to happen over the weekend which will change things?

Really hope they die soon but of course it will be everyone else's fault.

It wouldn't surprise me if they have an experienced player(s) who wants away/will be leaving and they want cover for him.

They also want a shot at the LC final.

[Dashing Bob S]

If they were genuinely concerned with the welfare of 'kids', they would have taken more care scrutinizing a) managerial appointments, b) players contracts, c) the security arrangements at the toilets in the PBS.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

A new embarrassing low for Gary Locke and Yams FC......so Gary Locke has now come out and said he is concerned for the 'Health and Safety' of the younger members of his squad. Another ploy to get the transfer embargo lifted methinks!!

Last time I checked 16-18 year old athletes could run for days and days just like Forrest Gump and still have the lungs to play a game every week....and probably want to. Is it possible their daily statements can get any more embarrassing???

:jamboclow

The funny thing is whilst the management team are constantly banging on about damaging fledgling careers on almost a daily basis in the MSM you've got one of the players going on about how delighted they are to be getting an extended run in the first team even if they are finding it tough. Conflicting stories as ever from down Gorgie way.

[Aldo]

They don't want to sign more experienced pro's to save them from relegation or to prevent their poor young kids from burnout they only want new signings in order to try and beat ICT in the League Cup semi. Thus given them a few more quid for reaching a final.

[Craig_HFC]

Given his lack of awareness of the world around him, I think the biggest Health & Safety risk faced by Hearts might be letting Dylan McGowan walk around the place unaccompanied.

:faf:

:top marks

[tomf]

If they have concerns about health and safety and the embargo isn't lifted, can we expect them to withdraw from some games? Would think that the yams rather than the spfl have duty of care for their players so if they think it's unsafe they should stop playing. Or reduce training. Maybe go part time.

I agree with the comment above. Going part-time should be considered for a couple of months...until they go into liquidation!

This is just a thought (and I haven't really thought it through so I am no doubt opening myself up to criticism) but; what if they were allowed to sign some players in return for losing the trophies and league placings they have won in the last five years (despite the fact they have been cheating / financially doping much longer than that). Paying any new players would further drain their resources and haste their end. I am sure that most of them don't credit The Rangers with the trophies that were won by Glasgow Rangers FC so the idea that they should lose the trophies they won whilst cheating shouldn't be so hard to swallow. It would mean that we won the cup but I wouldn't want to gloat. I know they won't accept this because it was all worth it...apart from the wee bit at the end when they go out of existence.

[H18sry]

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

[Judas Iscariot]

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

****ing hope not

[Spike Mandela]

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

Ok. Time for Rod to have a quiet word.

[Keith_M]

Can no-one see the bigger picture here FFS.
The Germans have been too quiet for too long and billy brown is only worried that if they did choose this season to kick off then hearts would be far too tired to see the Bosch off once more.
So the choices are simple, if you don't fancy speaking german, having to drink decent beer or don't want to wear clothes by Hugo boss then it is your duty to ensure hearts get this ban lifted.


If anyone thinks I'll be happy driving a Porsche & Mrs Speingbank driving a nifty little VW Beetle then they got another thing coming!


:grr: Or even worse, you'll all have to out with German Burds like this......


11753



(That's Hiberlin's missus, when she secretly visited me during the Oktoberfest :wink:)

[Aldo]

I agree with the comment above. Going part-time should be considered for a couple of months...until they go into liquidation! This is just a thought (and I haven't really thought it through so I am no doubt opening myself up to criticism) but; what if they were allowed to sign some players in return for losing the trophies and league placings they have won in the last five years (despite the fact they have been cheating / financially doping much longer than that). Paying any new players would further drain their resources and haste their end. I am sure that most of them don't credit The Rangers with the trophies that were won by Glasgow Rangers FC so the idea that they should lose the trophies they won whilst cheating shouldn't be so hard to swallow. It would mean that we won the cup but I wouldn't want to gloat. I know they won't accept this because it was all worth it...apart from the wee bit at the end when they go out of existence.

Sorry but have to totally disagree with you on this one.

We didn't win the cup - that's just it. Yes we were beaten by a team that were financially wrecked and who brought in better players. We cannot change that unfortunately. (O and some very dubious refereeing decisions)

Surely your on the windup suggesting we should be awarded the SC if they are allowed to sign players and agree to losing everything they've won over the years. Laughable tbh.

I don't want any tainted cup etc.

Yeah they've used money the didn't have and yes I was unhappy at getting beaten in the CF but nah they can have it and everything that goes with it.

They are making a right tit of themselves begging for this and that. Moan moan ****ing moan. Get it roond ye.

I am happy watching this saga unfold daily.

[jacomo]

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

Butcher Out.
Riordan In.

(No idea about DR's coaching ability, but he's available and you wouldn't get this kind of loose chat from him).

[brog]

The fact of the matter re: fixtures 2013/14 is that Brian Jackson could not have hand picked them better

A start to the season that gave hearts a massive cash boost, early, with their 3 most lucrative fixtures as their first three home games (Hibs, Celtc, Aberdeen) none of those away from home.

Of course, the fixture list, like the embargo, only worked in hearts favour if the july2013 yamMasterplan worked.

You remember the one:
Full house every game
Big team
Race to zero by September
Overtake the Hobos by Halloween
Out of admin before Christmas
Rudi, Zal and Naysmith for the new year derby

Not like Hearts to have no plan B is it?

You're spot on & being the cynic that I am I always suspected that BJ provided some input to the early fixture list planning! Of course now it's come back to bite them, pleasing!

[pontius pilate]

Just heard Gary cocke on Ssn he said if we got to January we would have a slim chance but if we can sign a few players we would have a great chance. Or words to that affect. They really have no boundaries or morals to hell with the lot of them.

[Gus Fring]

I'll wait until I hear/read what TB actually said before I go and get my pitchfork out of the shed

[Saorsa]

Just heard Gary cocke on Ssn he said if we got to January we would have a slim chance but if we can sign a few players we would have a great chance. Or words to that affect. They really have no boundaries or morals to hell with the lot of them.That's odd, the administrator who is bul****ting tae get it lifted said it wouldnae really make any difference tae their chances and lifting the embargo wouldnae have any effect on their rivals. Why the **** should they get a great chance or any chance at the expense of anybody else, they're the ones that cheated and now they need tae pay the penalty

****in' shower of shameless tramps

[EskbankHibby]

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

Excellent. Only one thing better than ripping the pash out of Jambos and that's patronising them.

Well played Terry, diplomatic yet safe in the knowledge that the personal opinions of opposing managers will mean hee haw in any decision making process.

NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

[PatHead]

How can they be advertising job vacancies if they only have enough money to last until February/March/April?

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20130103/vacancies-at-hearts_2241562_1319148

[GreenLake]

Paul Barnes ‏@PAULiBARNES 2m
Hibs manager Terry Butcher tells @STVSport he endorses Hearts bid for leniency over their registration embargo #hibs :confused:

Maybe he's preparing to offload some players to them.

[Weststandwanab]

Boris Becker won Wimbledon when he was 17

Outrageous,they should have stopped him playing in case the per wee soul got tired oot Mats Wilander was 17 when he won the French Open


Ok. Time for Rod to have a quiet word. Think about t !

[Aldo]

That's odd, the administrator who is bul****ting tae get it lifted said it wouldnae really make any difference tae their chances and lifting the embargo wouldnae have any effect on their rivals. Why the **** should they get a great chance or any chance at the expense of anybody else, they're the ones that cheated and now they need tae pay the penalty ****in' shower of shameless tramps

Cannae say fairer than this.

I will add as I did on a previous post that they are not interested in signing players to stay up but to get them to the final of the LC.

[Spike Mandela]

Think about t !

I'm always thinking about t.:wink:

[H18sry]

I'll wait until I hear/read what TB actually said before I go and get my pitchfork out of the shed

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/259707-terry-butcher-open-to-hibernians-city-rivals-hearts-having-embargo-lifted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[dangermouse]

How can they be advertising job vacancies if they only have enough money to last until February/March/April?

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20130103/vacancies-at-hearts_2241562_1319148

A "competitive" salary, how competitive is hee haw :wink:

[truehibernian]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/259707-terry-butcher-open-to-hibernians-city-rivals-hearts-having-embargo-lifted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Dignified and a good response in my opinion - the players and management have seen the impact of the derby and want more. I know I'd miss the derby - Hearts need to be punished and I am against the lifting of the embargo, but you can see why Terry wants Hearts around - I don't think there has been an atmosphere like it at Easter Road for years (last game) - I'd maybe let the SPFL let them sign 'The Nose' so he can play in the last derby of the season :thumbsup:

It could also be read as 'sign who you want, we'll still beat you' :greengrin :aok: with McGowan and McHattie in their side it's as good as a goal of a start to the opposition too :agree:

Anyway Hearts U20's drew with a 'strong and experienced' Sunderland reserve side yesterday - can't be that burned out playing in a 4-4 game eh :cb

[CropleyWasGod]

A "competitive" salary, how competitive is hee haw :wink:

"access to a car is highly desirable"

... cos we've got nane. :rolleyes:

[Hibercelona]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/259707-terry-butcher-open-to-hibernians-city-rivals-hearts-having-embargo-lifted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

What he's basically saying is. He wishes Hearts could survive in the SPFL, so we could use them as our whipping boys.

Good answer IMO.

[greenginger]

How can they be advertising job vacancies if they only have enough money to last until February/March/April?

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20130103/vacancies-at-hearts_2241562_1319148


HOMFC don't pay for youth coaches, it will be paid by Big Hearts Community Trust ( assuming self-sufficient Southern has'nt been dipping the till again ).

The Trust is ,of course funded by the Scottish government and Edinburgh and Midlothian Councils

[jacomo]

What he's basically saying is. He wishes Hearts could survive in the SPFL, so we could use them as our whipping boys.

Good answer IMO.

What he is saying appears to be at variance with the Hibs.net approved line: "Liquidate the tramps!"

[PatHead]

HOMFC don't pay for youth coaches, it will be paid by Big Hearts Community Trust ( assuming self-sufficient Southern has'nt been dipping the till again ).

The Trust is ,of course funded by the Scottish government and Edinburgh and Midlothian Councils

Is that normal for all clubs? Do we get any "grants"?

Surely something similar to Celtic being investigated for getting land on the cheap by the EU in that a private business is being helped with government funding?

Wish old Sidney would get a letter off to these commissioners in Euro-land.

[Phil D. Rolls]

What he is saying appears to be at variance with the Hibs.net approved line: "Liquidate the tramps!"

Yep, not the end of the world - but he's called this one wrong. Verdict: og by the boss, but no affect on the final result.

[ginger_rice]

"access to a car is highly desirable"

... cos we've got nane. :rolleyes:

Is it a getaway driver their taking on?? :greengrin

[monktonharp]

Dignified and a good response in my opinion - the players and management have seen the impact of the derby and want more. I know I'd miss the derby - Hearts need to be punished and I am against the lifting of the embargo, but you can see why Terry wants Hearts around - I don't think there has been an atmosphere like it at Easter Road for years (last game) - I'd maybe let the SPFL let them sign 'The Nose' so he can play in the last derby of the season :thumbsup:

It could also be read as 'sign who you want, we'll still beat you' :greengrin :aok: with McGowan and McHattie in their side it's as good as a goal of a start to the opposition too :agree:

Anyway Hearts U20's drew with a 'strong and experienced' Sunderland reserve side yesterday - can't be that burned out playing in a 4-4 game eh :cb just when I was starting to like big Tel, he comes oot with this dross. tells us he is learning about Hibernian's history too. I think he's only read up to page 3. Terry, gonnae no dae that, jist gonnae no.?

[monktonharp]

What he's basically saying is. He wishes Hearts could survive in the SPFL, so we could use them as our whipping boys.

Good answer IMO.not in my name

[Kaiser1962]

Read Bob Dylan McGowan's rant in today's paper about them not knowing what Romanov's regime were up to and how the players have been hit hard by the sanctions. Well Bob, perhaps if you looked for a new club who were more professionally run and looked after their staff a little better then you and your jumbo chums wouldn't feel so bitter about your sorry state of affairs. You must remember, you were happy to collect continual late wages so don't come out with all this pizh now. You and yer mates KNEW exactly what was round the corner. So don't kid yourselves. No wonder Scottish fitbaw wants your lot down!

McGowan is either lying or very, very thick.

From Hearts own website 07/11/2012

"Without your help now, we could be entering the final days of the club's existence."

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20121107/the-future-of-heart-of-midlothian_2241384_2973347

Daily Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hearts/9661962/Hearts-match-against-St-Mirren-could-be-the-clubs-last-claim-board-after-latest-winding-up-order.html

[Kato]

McGowan is either lying or very, very thick.

From Hearts own website 07/11/2012

"Without your help now, we could be entering the final days of the club's existence."

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20121107/the-future-of-heart-of-midlothian_2241384_2973347

Daily Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hearts/9661962/Hearts-match-against-St-Mirren-could-be-the-clubs-last-claim-board-after-latest-winding-up-order.html

I'll go with liar.

[The_Todd]

I'll go with liar.

I'd go with both

[Kaiser1962]

"access to a car is highly desirable"

... cos we've got nane. :rolleyes:

Brilliant!

[Matty_Jack04]

@ScottBurns75: SPFL board WON'T be meeting on Monday to make a decision on Hearts' transfer ban. There can be no appeal because club in administration.
@ScottBurns75: Hearts, however, are free to go to the SPFL to ask for a player to be registered. Each deal would be considered on an individual basis.
@ScottBurns75: It would take exceptional circumstances for a deal to be registered - but each transfer would be judged on its own merits.

[matty_f]

@ScottBurns75: SPFL board WON'T be meeting on Monday to make a decision on Hearts' transfer ban. There can be no appeal because club in administration.
@ScottBurns75: Hearts, however, are free to go to the SPFL to ask for a player to be registered. Each deal would be considered on an individual basis.
@ScottBurns75: It would take exceptional circumstances for a deal to be registered - but each transfer would be judged on its own merits.

But there's still an embargo due to not paying players so they still can't register anyone. Do none of these journalists know these things?

[Spike Mandela]

@ScottBurns75: SPFL board WON'T be meeting on Monday to make a decision on Hearts' transfer ban. There can be no appeal because club in administration.
@ScottBurns75: Hearts, however, are free to go to the SPFL to ask for a player to be registered. Each deal would be considered on an individual basis.
@ScottBurns75: It would take exceptional circumstances for a deal to be registered - but each transfer would be judged on its own merits.

Surely this sort of thing only applies to exceptional circumstances such as having no recognised keeper available to play so can't see them getting any joy there.

[Sergey]

Surely this sort of thing only applies to exceptional circumstances such as having no recognised keeper available to play so can't see them getting any joy there.

They might need to sell a player to simply get to the end of the season. If it was, say, McDonald that was to go, according to their squad, they don't currently have a fit keeper to replace him.

Hypothetical, I know, but it just might carry some weight.

[truehibernian]

They might need to sell a player to simply get to the end of the season. If it was, say, McDonald that was to go, according to their squad, they don't currently have a fit keeper to replace him.

Hypothetical, I know, but it just might carry some weight.

Apparently Dylan McGowan was initially signed as a goalkeeper - it's probably the best place for him in that side other than the bench :greengrin

[Aldo]

They might need to sell a player to simply get to the end of the season. If it was, say, McDonald that was to go, according to their squad, they don't currently have a fit keeper to replace him. Hypothetical, I know, but it just might carry some weight.

No problems with a keeper as it's a 'specialist' position.

But no one else.

If they are after sympathy for their outfield players then tough titty in my books.

[hibees 7062]

They might need to sell a player to simply get to the end of the season. If it was, say, McDonald that was to go, according to their squad, they don't currently have a fit keeper to replace him.

Hypothetical, I know, but it just might carry some weight.

Hamilton and Combe are fit mate

[Jack Hackett]

What if Wee Jamie's (take your pick) ma grounded him for staying out late and wouldn't let him out to play....would that no be 'exceptional circumstances'?

[Hibs07p]

There's always a but,

“My sympathy is very much with them but at the same time they currently have to abide by what has been decided.”

F***them Tel.

GGTTH

[GreenCastle]

I saw that clown Rudi driving in Edinburgh West End yesterday - he must be hanging about ready for a deal - can he him signing as soon as any ban ends. If he or the club had any sense they would have got him before the ban started.

Rudi, Craig Gordon, GOC, Riordan...strange what can happen to some footballers!

[Aldo]

I saw that clown Rudi driving in Edinburgh West End yesterday - he must be hanging about ready for a deal - can he him signing as soon as any ban ends. If he or the club had any sense they would have got him before the ban started. Rudi, Craig Gordon, GOC, Riordan...strange what can happen to some footballers!

Is Billy Smart in town cos that's the only place he's getting a job.

[Onion]

Surely this sort of thing only applies to exceptional circumstances such as having no recognised keeper available to play so can't see them getting any joy there.

IMHO this is not an exceptional circumstance. They have outfield players who have two hands, two legs and a pair of gloves. Get on with it !

[Onion]

Apparently Dylan McGowan was initially signed as a goalkeeper - it's probably the best place for him in that side other than the bench :greengrin

Can't imagine a player is actually "registered" with the SFA/SPFL as a goalkeeper or outfield player ? Are they not all just footballers and therefore interchangeable ?

[truehibernian]

I saw that clown Rudi driving in Edinburgh West End yesterday - he must be hanging about ready for a deal - can he him signing as soon as any ban ends. If he or the club had any sense they would have got him before the ban started.

Rudi, Craig Gordon, GOC, Riordan...strange what can happen to some footballers!

If they were allowed to sign a couple of players, please let The Barman with the big Snozzle be one of them :aok: makes beating them all the sweeter with him in the side :agree:

[3pm]

Now trying to get the embargo lifted on 'health and safety' grounds.

[kaimendhibs]

Bbc news just said no chance of embargo being relaxed! Extra pleasing


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[GreenLake]

I saw that clown Rudi driving in Edinburgh West End yesterday - he must be hanging about ready for a deal - can he him signing as soon as any ban ends. If he or the club had any sense they would have got him before the ban started.

Rudi, Craig Gordon, GOC, Riordan...strange what can happen to some footballers!

I hope he had a red rag tied on the end of his nose

[Sprouleflyer]

Every interview Gary Locke does, he keeps mentioning that he has to take it on the chin.........................take what on the chin?

[AltheHibby]

Sprouleflyer,

What do you think Golden Gary would want on his chin? :confused:

[Aldo]

Every interview Gary Locke does, he keeps mentioning that he has to take it on the chin.........................take what on the chin?

Something Golden I would imagine. Quite watery.

[matty_f]

Something Golden I would imagine. Quite watery.

Loaday pish.

[weonlywon6-2]

They can only blame themselves.Had they pulled the plug before the end of last season and gone down there would be less pressure on their players and may have even come back up again.
Big big mistake

Shame really !

[Ronniekirk]

Bbc news just said no chance of embargo being relaxed! Extra pleasing


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It begs the question what is their motivation for doing this Is it so that at a future point they can say some of our young players are so burnt out here is a Fit note from Doctor saying he can't play and this at point they have a few injuries and suspensions in hope at that point they can then bring some one in If rules are so clear that Reporters are saying it won't happen then why go back so quickly after last attempt

[nribs]

According to their dot count for the Motherwell game on cannaeevenmindhowmanypointsback. They have shifted about 100 tickets in 2 days. Looks like they are looking at another 13.5k attendance

[Aldo]

Loaday pish.

Farf. Chortle!

[greenginger]

https://twitter.com/The_FoH

A few FoH pledgers celebrating the loss of a few more quid from their accounts.

Euan Cunningham is the pick

" The FoH deduction makes my chest fill with pride " :greengrin

[Hibercelona]

I saw that clown Rudi driving in Edinburgh West End yesterday

Remember him desperately trying to bother us with the 5-1 gestures when we beat Dundee Utd at ER.

He's all washed up and will be signing for a washed up club.

[hibees 7062]

They can only blame themselves.Had they pulled the plug before the end of last season and gone down there would be less pressure on their players and may have even come back up again.
Big big mistake

Shame really !

Really ? :greengrin

[hibbymick]

It begs the question what is their motivation for doing this Is it so that at a future point they can say some of our young players are so burnt out here is a Fit note from Doctor saying he can't play and this at point they have a few injuries and suspensions in hope at that point they can then bring some one in If rules are so clear that Reporters are saying it won't happen then why go back so quickly after last attempt

They have obviously been building up to this for a few weeks now, lots of mumpin and moaning and only having 5 or 6 players on the bench despite having plenty oot for the warm ups. They must think we all button up the back.

[kaimendhibs]

It begs the question what is their motivation for doing this Is it so that at a future point they can say some of our young players are so burnt out here is a Fit note from Doctor saying he can't play and this at point they have a few injuries and suspensions in hope at that point they can then bring some one in If rules are so clear that Reporters are saying it won't happen then why go back so quickly after last attempt

Mibbe a cunning stunt to convince the diddies that they are working like beavers rather than sitting in thier handshttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/10/ju8y8u3u.jpg


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[tomf]

Sorry but have to totally disagree with you on this one.

We didn't win the cup - that's just it. Yes we were beaten by a team that were financially wrecked and who brought in better players. We cannot change that unfortunately. (O and some very dubious refereeing decisions)

Surely your on the windup suggesting we should be awarded the SC if they are allowed to sign players and agree to losing everything they've won over the years. Laughable tbh.

I don't want any tainted cup etc.

Yeah they've used money the didn't have and yes I was unhappy at getting beaten in the CF but nah they can have it and everything that goes with it.

They are making a right tit of themselves begging for this and that. Moan moan ****ing moan. Get it roond ye.

I am happy watching this saga unfold daily.

Don't worry; I wasn't seriously suggesting we would win the cup because it was taken from them. I woudn't want it like that anyway either and I should say that I would have included the final against Gretna as well of course. Hibs WILL win the cup one day and it will be legitimate. I am still just attempting to discover if anyone thinks there is a limit to their idiotic belief that it was all worth it. If the cup win was removed from the records I just wondered if it would still have been worth it. How do Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong consider their actions now; knowing that their victories have been struck from the record books? Oh and the guy with Vlad tattoo on his back..not quite the same thing I know but do you think he might regret it just a wee bit or do you think he got a matching one on his member (of the FOH)?

[weonlywon6-2]

They can only blame themselves.Had they pulled the plug before the end of last season and gone down there would be less pressure on their players and may have even come back up again.
Big big mistake

Shame really !

[Glory Lurker]

They are really getting on my nerves.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/The_FoH

A few FoH pledgers celebrating the loss of a few more quid from their accounts.

Euan Cunningham is the pick

" The FoH deduction makes my chest fill with pride " :greengrin


The background on that page is creepy.

[Onceinawhile]

They can only blame themselves.Had they pulled the plug before the end of last season and gone down there would be less pressure on their players and may have even come back up again.
Big big mistake

Shame really !

No chance they would have come back up this season with that squad. Money would have been even tighter too. Doubt they would have made it out of admin if they had gone in last season.

[SurferRosa]

https://twitter.com/The_FoH

A few FoH pledgers celebrating the loss of a few more quid from their accounts.

Euan Cunningham is the pick

" The FoH deduction makes my chest fill with pride " :greengrin

That`s a beaut. I contribute to The Hibernians scheme every month, and while i think the Hibs Youth Academy is a cause worthy enough for me to direct a few quid, i cant say it`s ever made my chest swell with pride every time they lift the cash out my account...:coolhib:

[Kato]

That`s a beaut. I contribute to The Hibernians scheme every month, and while i think the Hibs Youth Academy is a cause worthy enough for me to direct a few quid, i cant say it`s ever made my chest swell with pride every time they lift the cash out my account...:coolhib:

#chestswellers

[The_Todd]

Chests are swelling with pride on Bulgarian balconies everywhere

[jacomo]

#chestswellers

I also saw a Jambo trying to popularise the hashtag #thefutureismaroon which is equal parts horrifying and unlikely.

[Dashing Bob S]

Oh dear...Hearts are like a crazed old alcoholic jakey in the advanced stages of dementia and cirrhosis of the liver, begging in the last chance saloon for somebody to give them ONE MORE drink, oblivious to the fact that the minging trampy addicts have been scrounging off and bumping everybody there for thirty years and nobody is listening anymore.

"Think of ma poor wee bairns..."

What a pathetic mess. I've actually stopped enjoying their decline now, I'm just finding it sad, pitiful and boring. They have no shame, and they have no pride. Those silver tears are ones of self-pity.

[GreenCastle]

What's happening here I believe is that they are trying to cause a distraction and get the morale up in the yams minds again.

They are getting close to rock bottom and we have seen these tactics over the past few months when things weren't going well.

It gets the yams finds dreaming again that they maybe out the **** soon when in fact they aren't.

The way the have gone about it is again embarrassing and shows them what a joke club they are. (we don't make excuses...but every day we are in the paper / on the radio making excuses - the club with no shame!) :rolleyes:

[Dashing Bob S]

I demand the football authorities take further sanctions against those slavering bums.

[CB_NO3]

According to Brokeback they have accepted 250k for Adam King. Surely with a depleted squad and the fact you want to sign players to freshen the squad up BDO will have no choice but to turn that offer down. Looks to me as soon as the £ signs turn up tbey have no care at all about the well beings of the young players. Two faced gets.

[Aldo]

According to Brokeback they have accepted 250k for Adam King. Surely with a depleted squad and the fact you want to sign players to freshen the squad up BDO will have no choice but to turn that offer down. Looks to me as soon as the £ signs turn up tbey have no care at all about the well beings of the young players. Two faced gets.

Really. 250 grand. Delusions of grandeur.

They turned down that sort of amount for Holt who was an established first team player (of sorts ).

They really are desperate.

[matty_f]

£250k? Is that a joke? Who is he??

[Spike Mandela]

According to Brokeback they have accepted 250k for Adam King. Surely with a depleted squad and the fact you want to sign players to freshen the squad up BDO will have no choice but to turn that offer down. Looks to me as soon as the £ signs turn up tbey have no care at all about the well beings of the young players. Two faced gets.

25k mibbe.

[GordonHFC]

I demand the football authorities take further sanctions against those slavering bums.

Time to switch off the life support machine me thinks.

[lucky]

Back page of DR says £200k. Does he get a game in their 1st team?

[Aldo]

Back page of DR says £200k. Does he get a game in their 1st team?

One of their exceptional young guns (allegedly) whose career is being ruined by the embargo. Poor wee lamb.

[Jim44]

Oh dear...Hearts are like a crazed old alcoholic jakey in the advanced stages of dementia and cirrhosis of the liver, begging in the last chance saloon for somebody to give them ONE MORE drink, oblivious to the fact that the minging trampy addicts have been scrounging off and bumping everybody there for thirty years and nobody is listening anymore.

"Think of ma poor wee bairns..."

What a pathetic mess. I've actually stopped enjoying their decline now, I'm just finding it sad, pitiful and boring. They have no shame, and they have no pride. Those silver tears are ones of self-pity.

It saddens me to learn about your lack of enjoyment, Bob. I'm sure a suitable dose of therapy will see you back, ripping the p!sh and laughing your head off at their plight. I wish you a speedy recovery..

[Hibee87]

One of their exceptional young guns (allegedly) whose career is being ruined by the embargo. Poor wee lamb.

Adam King is only 18 and player 3 or 4 games for hearts first team, I guess he must have somthing about him considering offers came in for him in the summer. Im confused as to why he is not getting a game for hearts if he is rated so highly. You only need to look at Gauld to see if you good enough yoru old enough

[Dobosz83]

It's gotten to the point where rational Hearts fans are now towing this party line about these 'poor' young players. I find myself at tipping point. I've kept a diplomatic approach when dealing with 'mates' but its descended into argument now as this farce has reached the completely embarrassing stage.

They've had just over 5 months of hard ship when the season started. It's not gone the way they planned as it turns out their youngster are actually garbage. Now we have Locke, Brown and Jackson crying all over stv news. Do these people have no shame whatsoever!?? As you like to say Golden Gaz, just take it on the chin pal.

I cannot fathom how anyone would have a shred of sympathy for them. They are in administration for godsake! That means you are teetering on the edge of oblivion with barely a penny to your name and you want to sign players!? Have no lessons been learned!? Obviously not. They signed up for the SPFL rules, so deal with it. Punished enough? Maybe in 8 years time lads.

Vile club.

[truehibernian]

Not sure about Adam King but I hear there is a wee bit of interest in our own Jordon Forster from a few clubs down there (Engand, not Swansea).

[Bill Milne]

According to Brokeback they have accepted 250k for Adam King. Surely with a depleted squad and the fact you want to sign players to freshen the squad up BDO will have no choice but to turn that offer down. Looks to me as soon as the £ signs turn up tbey have no care at all about the well beings of the young players. Two faced gets.

This is, perhaps, why BDO want the right to sign new players ie to replace the kids thay want to flog to raise much needed finance. Surely no-one at the SPFL will be taken in by this. I take comfort from the likelihood that St Mirren, Ross County, Partick Thistle et al look certain to go ballistic at any attempt to allow this nonsense!!

[truehibernian]

This is, perhaps, why BDO want the right to sign new players ie to replace the kids thay want to flog to raise much needed finance. Surely no-one at the SPFL will be taken in by this. I take comfort from the likelihood that St Mirren, Ross County, Partick Thistle et al look certain to go ballistic at any attempt to allow this nonsense!!

In my opinion what we are seeing at Hearts are frantic behind the scenes planning - I'm utterly convinced that when BDO took the job on they had it in their heads that the 15 points would be overhauled and that they would have a fighting chance of staying in the SPFL - and their business model was all geared to being in the same league next season.

Now that it is looking highly likely they will be relegated in last place, I think they are in a panic big time. If you sit back, breath, take it all in and listen to the reason they are now giving - health and safety of young players - you simply have to laugh, and I do mean laugh out loud.

The Championship next season will include The Rangers. It may include Dunfermline (now out of admin). It has clubs like Alloa, Hamilton/Dundee, Queen of the South and perhaps will contain a current SPFL side if they fail to win their play off - that is a very very hard league to come out of first time of asking. I honestly dont think BDO, or indeed FoH, planned for this worst case scenario - but maybe that's just me.

[dangermouse]

Foundation of Hearts ‏@The_FoH 9 Jan

@bonessjambo @bastin1874 the cooling off period from CVA. Now UBIG need to go through Lithuanian processes to release their shares.

If only it were that simple. IIRC they are still frozen and will remain so for some time. :nanawave:

[whiskyhibby]

That`s a beaut. I contribute to The Hibernians scheme every month, and while i think the Hibs Youth Academy is a cause worthy enough for me to direct a few quid, i cant say it`s ever made my chest swell with pride every time they lift the cash out my account...:coolhib:

Same here mate, The Hibernians is a great way to support the team and very happy to do so......I wouldn't post it on twitter though......

[Phil D. Rolls]

Don't worry; I wasn't seriously suggesting we would win the cup because it was taken from them. I woudn't want it like that anyway either and I should say that I would have included the final against Gretna as well of course. Hibs WILL win the cup one day and it will be legitimate. I am still just attempting to discover if anyone thinks there is a limit to their idiotic belief that it was all worth it. If the cup win was removed from the records I just wondered if it would still have been worth it. How do Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong consider their actions now; knowing that their victories have been struck from the record books? Oh and the guy with Vlad tattoo on his back..not quite the same thing I know but do you think he might regret it just a wee bit or do you think he got a matching one on his member (of the FOH)?

Saw a program about Johnson, he said that the only way for him to move on in life was to man up and admit he had done it. Yams are far far away from that bit yet. Maybe need a wee bit more "encouragement" to face their crimes.

Hibs don't deserve that cup any more than Celtic, or any of the other teams they cheated on the way to the final.



The background on that page is creepy.

I wish, I had not followed that link.:sick:


Time to switch off the life support machine me thinks.

Its already off, they are getting closer to death every day.

[greenpaper55]

They think that they have a glimmer of hope on the ban http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/452990/Glimmer-of-hope-for-struggling-Hearts Mind you if there is a wrong decision to make this clown will make it !,

[Hibercelona]

They think that they have a glimmer of hope on the ban http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/452990/Glimmer-of-hope-for-struggling-Hearts Mind you if there is a wrong decision to make this clown will make it !,

SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster said: “The rules are in place that a club can’t sign players while they are in administration.

“The transfer ban is linked to the rules of the game when a club goes into administration, and cannot be lifted until a club comes out of administration.

“A club, however, can apply to sign players on an individual basis and it is then up to the board to make a decision on whether or not they should be registered.

“As of yet, we have not had such an approach from Hearts.”

Says it all really. Hearts can't provide any real legitimate reason as to why they should be able to sign another player.

[Aldo]

In my opinion what we are seeing at Hearts are frantic behind the scenes planning - I'm utterly convinced that when BDO took the job on they had it in their heads that the 15 points would be overhauled and that they would have a fighting chance of staying in the SPFL - and their business model was all geared to being in the same league next season. Now that it is looking highly likely they will be relegated in last place, I think they are in a panic big time. If you sit back, breath, take it all in and listen to the reason they are now giving - health and safety of young players - you simply have to laugh, and I do mean laugh out loud. The Championship next season will include The Rangers. It may include Dunfermline (now out of admin). It has clubs like Alloa, Hamilton/Dundee, Queen of the South and perhaps will contain a current SPFL side if they fail to win their play off - that is a very very hard league to come out of first time of asking. I honestly dont think BDO, or indeed FoH, planned for this worst case scenario - but maybe that's just me.

I think you may of hit on something there TH. And I concur that they thought they could overhaul the points deficit and have no problems staying I. The SPFL. I say this because they think that they are a 'Big Team' and have the 'Best Youngsters' in the country.

How wrong they have been.

If they sell a few and leave the squad threadbare then that's surely up to them.

If this embargo is lifted (and I suspect it won't) then there would be carnage and a free for all for teams to do as they please and bend the rules to suit their own scenario.

As for the championship - if they think they will win it or even finish 2nd at a canter then they are in for a shock. Some very well organised teams in that league.

I sit smiling as I type this knowing and expecting yet another 'whinge/moan' from the yam management team after yet another defeat this weekend.

[Ozyhibby]

I'd lift the ban if they agree to take Rowan Vine. Maybe in a swap for Walker.
Otherwise, no deal.

[Coco Bryce]

Just heard that big nose Satchel might be signing for Alloa :lolyam:

[Benny Brazil]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-accept-200k-swansea-bid-for-adam-king-1-3263518

£200k for a youth player - never seen him play so dont know if he is any good or worth it.

[GloryGlory]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-accept-200k-swansea-bid-for-adam-king-1-3263518

£200k for a youth player - never seen him play so dont know if he is any good or worth it.

If they can let a player go, they're obviously no' needing to have the transfer embargo lifted! :greengrin

Even if the Swans consider letting him stay on loan, I doubt they would want one of their young players exposed to the H&S hazards at Yams FC! :greengrin

[Scònaldò]

If they can let a player go, they're obviously no' needing to have the transfer embargo lifted! :greengrin

Even if the Swans consider letting him stay on loan, I doubt they would want one of their young players exposed to the H&S hazards at Yams FC! :greengrin

Regarding hearts getting him back on loan, Would that not count as a signing?

[matty_f]

Regarding hearts getting him back on loan, Would that not count as a signing?

Don't think so as they already hold his registration.

[CB_NO3]

It seems a silly deal from Swansea, either that the news article is bollocks as per. Why sign a player for 200k and loan him back when you can sign him on a pre contract and get him in the summer for a 150k development fee?

[Oscar T Grouch]

Don't think so as they already hold his registration.

But if they sell him, would the registration not move to the swans? Then if they wanted him on loan that would mean reregistering as a yam, and this would be blocked? But tbh I don't have a clue :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

As I mentioned last night - the yams scenario usually has some attempted good news then bad news - that's what previous history has shown to keep fans morale on side.

This news about King I think is actually neither - 200k is good money for someone who ha played 3/4 games this season!! Swansea have had scouts watch him previously and must see something which longer term will benefit them. I would imagine if we leaves he will go on loan to get game time in the future. I don't think he can leave and register for Swansea then go back to the yams as his registration will be with the English FA.

The yams losing another player and not being able to replace him isn't ideal for them. What confuses me though is if he's worth 200k now what are players like Walker or out Jordan Forster / Paul Hanlon worth.

I do agree though BDO are panicking after trying to be calm
and no coincidence March is approaching and with crowds and income dropping - they need to raise money somehow.

[Scònaldò]

But if they sell him, would the registration not move to the swans? Then if they wanted him on loan that would mean reregistering as a yam, and this would be blocked? But tbh I don't have a clue :greengrin

That's what I thought but maybe that's how they were able to sign Wilson, as they still had his registration?

[cabbageandribs1875]

#chestswellers


i like


the chestswelling sparryheids

[Geo_1875]

That's what I thought but maybe that's how they were able to sign Wilson, as they still had his registration?

The Wilson one was a typical yam con. Any normal loan would end with the players registration being returned to the parent club. As Wilson's contract with Liverpool ended a couple of weeks after the loan period they told him he was being released and hertz "forgot" to return his registration. Cue SFA turning a blind eye.

[BarneyK]

That's what I thought but maybe that's how they were able to sign Wilson, as they still had his registration?

I think maybe the fact that he hadn't registered anywhere else was their loophole?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

BJ has probably just noticed that after tomorrow theyve nae home game until 22/2, cue a wee bit of panic!

[PatHead]

I think maybe the fact that he hadn't registered anywhere else was their loophole?

As I have said before, he was talking to Dundee Utd and had agreed a deal with them until they were gazumped by Hear7s at the last minute. Dundee Utd were furious and I doubt they will be doing any favours when it comes to Hearts requests. You will note that they were one of the first clubs not to offer FoH money for visiting fans.

[greenlex]

If King us worth 200k I find it hard to believe he can't get a game for a team stuck 19 points adrift at the bottom of the league!!!!!

[EdinMike]

Who ?! And how much ?!

Will they claim to have a "Special Relationship" with Swansea now, like Liverpool...

[Hibercelona]

If King us worth 200k I find it hard to believe he can't get a game for a team stuck 19 points adrift at the bottom of the league!!!!!

I suspect dirty dealings.

i believe there will be more to the deal than what is being made out.

[EdinMike]

I suspect dirty dealings.

i believe there will be more to the deal than what is being made out.

He has to finish all his veggies and do his homework every night for the duration of his contract ?! Then they get the £200k :shrug:

[GloryGlory]

It seems a silly deal from Swansea, either that the news article is bollocks as per. Why sign a player for 200k and loan him back when you can sign him on a pre contract and get him in the summer for a 150k development fee?

Beginning to think "£200K" could be figure only if conditions are met - e.g. after 10 first team games, etc. Which may or may not happen.

[7062]

£200k in this day and age to an EPL team is basically nothing. Shame that's not the case for them.

[Mikey09]

Beginning to think "£200K" could be figure only if conditions are met - e.g. after 10 first team games, etc. Which may or may not happen.

He's not worth £200k. The lad is a good player (tin hat on) and a prospect but lets be honest, £200k to Swansea is nowt. They wont even see it as a risk.

[matty_f]

Is it allisbarry that have that figure? What's his track record like for getting figures right when reporting on the yams?
Didn't a seven figure sum he reported turn out to be 90k or something like that?

[GreenCastle]

Poster on -19pointsback

"If Hamill and Robinson were getting picked at Centre mid before me then I would want a move as well. " - to be fair he has a point :greengrin

As stated - 200k is nothing to an EPL team - he could rise in value over the next few years or he may not.

How can sky sources say he would remain at the PBS till the end of the season though ? As the registration would transferred - unless it's a pre-contract and it's an up front development fee they would get which would go straight to BDO and not possible future owners come the end of the season - basically losing FOH a possible 200k?

[GreenPJ]

I suspect dirty dealings.

i believe there will be more to the deal than what is being made out.

It suggests that even if he moved under freedom of contract Hearts would be entitled to more than £150K in terms of development fee.

[Leithenhibby]

If King us worth 200k I find it hard to believe he can't get a game for a team stuck 19 points adrift at the bottom of the league!!!!!

£150.000+ is development fee, even I wouldn't grudge them that :wink:

[nribs]

I have just been informed by a Jambo in my work Hearts had 5 players lined up to sign for them had their transfer embargo been relaxed...this is brilliant the names were Skacel, Goodwillie, Gomes from Dundee Utd, Boyd and some young guy from Liverpool :rolleyes::faf::crazy:

[brog]

They always say in the best murder/mystery tales, Follow the Money!! Everything with Yams has followed that truism for the last 20 + years, from Mercer trying to asset strip ER & PBS, through Robinson's deal/no deal with Cala & Vlad's protracted shenanigans. The current embargo appeal nonsense is no different. I believe that Yams budget is blootered. We all know their attendance figures are fiction, there's probably no more than about 1 to 2,000 walk ups each home game dependent on away support. Its not coincidence that the only game where they have to show a correct attendance, cup vs Celtc, they get just over a measly 10k through the gate, only 6,000 Yams turn up! I would think BDO would have expected at least 15k for that game, that's a shortfall in region of £150k. We've all seen & Bajillions has told us about problems in selling hospitality & they have no gate income now after tomorrow for 4-6 weeks. They desperately need to sell players to help them limp through the season but can't do so ( without bringing some old duffers in ) while complaining they have no players! Catch 22 or in this case -15 I believe! Pleasing doesn't begin to cover it!!

[givescotlandfreedom]

It seems a silly deal from Swansea, either that the news article is bollocks as per. Why sign a player for 200k and loan him back when you can sign him on a pre contract and get him in the summer for a 150k development fee?

The EEN is nothing but a Hearts comic - probably just wishful thinking from Banderson.

[leggeto]

If the spfl was to say if you accept relegation now you can sign under 21s would that clear anything up?

[Biggie]

No deals.....would make a mockery of an already laughing stock of a league

[leggeto]

No deals.....would make a mockery of an already laughing stock of a league

I do agree,just a thought as it looks like they are trying to avoid relegation the sneaky cants

[Aldo]

If the spfl was to say if you accept relegation now you can sign under 21s would that clear anything up?

They know the are going to be relegated. They want to sign players to play in SF of League Cup to give them a better chance of getting to final and making more money. Simple as that.

Nowt to do with burn out of players etc.

[Dashing Bob S]

The lack of income from no home fixtures is a crucial issue. Expect a lot of bluster and panic generated by the club through the press over the next few weeks.

[Mon Dieu4]

To be honest, they should be punished even more, they have clearly spoken to a couple of players to sound them out if any change takes place in the embargo. Blatantly flaunting the rules, punish them again for their cheek haha

[Aldo]

The lack of income from no home fixtures is a crucial issue. Expect a lot of bluster and panic generated by the club through the press over the next few weeks.

No more than normal then. ;-)

[whiskyhibby]

They know the are going to be relegated. They want to sign players to play in SF of League Cup to give them a better chance of getting to final and making more money. Simple as that.

Nowt to do with burn out of players etc.

Completely agree, if the SPFL allow this there will be an almighty outcry and backlash

[Geo_1875]

£150.000+ is development fee, even I wouldn't grudge them that :wink:

Surely any development fee should.be payable to Heriot Watt?

[whiskyhibby]

Surely any development fee should.be payable to Heriot Watt?

No the cash will go on the youth development coach role they are currently posting on their website.......

[truehibernian]

They know the are going to be relegated. They want to sign players to play in SF of League Cup to give them a better chance of getting to final and making more money. Simple as that.

Nowt to do with burn out of players etc.

Agree and disagree there Aldo - I genuinely believe they think that whilst there is 51 points up for grabs, getting a few players in and getting a run of wins will turn the heat up on Ross County and Partick - I genuinely believe Hearts and BDO think that. The gap may seem insurmountable but the clubs mentioned can still be caught or pressured. A wee burst of wins, say 5 games, can close the gap and then the split brings added pressure and tension. It's what saved Calderwood when we went a few games unbeaten tail end of his season when we won 4 or 5 and eased away from relegation.

I agree with you that they also need that cup final for finance. Season is utterly utterly down the preverbial pan if they lose to ICT.

I just want to play them again and beat them again, as soon as possible :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

Ex Hearty Harry says Rangers fans annd other teams fans wouldn't want embargo lifted.....

DAVE DONALDSON (@doubledee1973)
10/01/2014 13:11
Ally McCoist says Rangers fans and other teams fans would understandably be unhappy if player registration rules were relaxed for hearts

[Aldo]

Agree and disagree there Aldo - I genuinely believe they think that whilst there is 51 points up for grabs, getting a few players in and getting a run of wins will turn the heat up on Ross County and Partick - I genuinely believe Hearts and BDO think that. The gap may seem insurmountable but the clubs mentioned can still be caught or pressured. A wee burst of wins, say 5 games, can close the gap and then the split brings added pressure and tension. It's what saved Calderwood when we went a few games unbeaten tail end of his season when we won 4 or 5 and eased away from relegation. I agree with you that they also need that cup final for finance. Season is utterly utterly down the preverbial pan if they lose to ICT. I just want to play them again and beat them again, as soon as possible :greengrin

See where your coming from... It's not over till it's mathematically impossible. And you are of course correct bout a few wins making all the difference.

If I'm being honest id be happy never to play them again as I want the liquidated. Have done from the off. However would be happy if the game at the PBS was the last and at the same time we relegated them.

That would be pleasing, very pleasing. :-D

[fat freddy]

Scenario... The SPFL lift the embargo, Hearts sign a few players, beat ICT in the semi, overtake Ross County and Partick in the league, win the cup final against a St. Johnstone outfit that have been a perfect example of fiscal prudence over the last ten years

These are the possibilities, however improbable, that the administrators of our game have to weigh up when deciding their next course of action when dealing with the BDO begging campaign. If they were to allow the rules to be bent to accomodate Hearts it would probably result in a tsunami of lawyers letters from the clubs who have been disadvantaged by any decision which might have benefited Hearts.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Surely any development fee should.be payable to Heriot Watt?


they in turn would just donate it to hertz, Herriot Watt uni...the uni that likes giving

[alley balley0-7]

i just hope the spfl stick to the rules, sick of hearing about youngssters and the quicker the yams go down the better

[Jack]

In my opinion what we are seeing at Hearts are frantic behind the scenes planning - I'm utterly convinced that when BDO took the job on they had it in their heads that the 15 points would be overhauled and that they would have a fighting chance of staying in the SPFL - and their business model was all geared to being in the same league next season.

Now that it is looking highly likely they will be relegated in last place, I think they are in a panic big time. If you sit back, breath, take it all in and listen to the reason they are now giving - health and safety of young players - you simply have to laugh, and I do mean laugh out loud.

The Championship next season will include The Rangers. It may include Dunfermline (now out of admin). It has clubs like Alloa, Hamilton/Dundee, Queen of the South and perhaps will contain a current SPFL side if they fail to win their play off - that is a very very hard league to come out of first time of asking. I honestly dont think BDO, or indeed FoH, planned for this worst case scenario - but maybe that's just me.

Totally agree, they were hoodwinked by their own publicity, and I'm currently having a good laugh at them.

[dangermouse]

Ex Hearty Harry says Rangers fans annd other teams fans wouldn't want embargo lifted.....

DAVE DONALDSON (@doubledee1973)
10/01/2014 13:11
Ally McCoist says Rangers fans and other teams fans would understandably be unhappy if player registration rules were relaxed for hearts

That's the only sensible thing he has ever said.

[adhibs]

Now that BDO have made a cry for help based on dwindling attendances I wonder if they'll count folk through the turnstiles instead tomorrow.

[Jim44]

Surely any development fee should.be payable to Heriot Watt?

Nah. Heriot Watt deserve everything that comes their way or more aptly doesn't come their way. After being royally shafted by their tennants for months, they are still eager to remain bedfriends with them. More fools them.

[Deansy]

They know the are going to be relegated. They want to sign players to play in SF of League Cup to give them a better chance of getting to final and making more money. Simple as that.

Nowt to do with burn out of players etc.

That and (possibly ??) be the '1st team relegated from the top-flight that won a cup in same season' ??. I do think the latest round of 'begging, pleading, greeting' etc is more to do with the League-cup SF simply for the reason they're going out of their way to avoid mentioning it - think about it, when was the last time THEY got to a SF and news/talk about it was WASN'T rammed down everybody's throats ??

[JeMeSouviens]

Interesting (and could well be genuine) leak from the latest incarnation of CharlotteFakes. It purports to be a proposal circulating within the SPFL to formalise the *******isation of the rules a la NewHun to spring a phoenix out of the flames and directly into the leagues. Executive summary is they would transfer the membership to a newco buying the business and assets of a club in exchange for a "sanction relegation".

If this is passed by the SPFL clubs*, FoH buys "Hearts" in a liquidation and the current Yams finish 12th as expected, then New Yams will start life in League 1 next season. Wonder how that looks in the business plan? :wink:



* personally, I would think fan power (in this case with the foaming New Huns in full on lynch mob mode) would hamstring the clubs into voting this down unless the Hun transfer precedent of new club starting at the bottom is followed.


“NewCo” in the Context of an Insolvency Event

Introduction

The SPFL Articles and Rules both contain a definition of Insolvency Event. The definition is identical. The possibility of an insolvent owner and operator of a Club applying to effectively exit insolvency by means of a share transfer of the SPFL share from the insolvent owner and operator to a new solvent owner and operator of a Club is not expressly referenced as an Insolvency Event.
A CVA is referenced as an Insolvency Event but would not typically of itself attract a 15 point deduction in accordance with section E of the SPFL Rules because, except in exceptional cases, a CVA would be part of an Insolvency Process and each stage of one Insolvency Process does not attract individual 15 point penalties.

The traditional exit route of an owner and operator of a Club from insolvency is by means of a CVA and it has been tacitly accepted by Clubs, both in the SPL and SFL, that a single sporting sanction of a one off deduction in points is appropriate for a single Insolvency Process where a CVA is used as an exit method providing that the whole Insolvency Process is completed within the same Season and the immediately succeeding close Season.

In effect, the SPFL Rules provide that if the Insolvency Process as a whole is not completed for the start of the following Season then a further 15 point penalty results.

There are instances in England where, for whatever reason, a CVA route has not been possible to implement in order to exit an Insolvency Process and in Scotland, to date, we have the one example of Rangers FC where a CVA could not achieve the requisite 75% vote of creditors in favour of the CVA proposal.

In such circumstances, if "a Club" is to be "saved" and not to suffer the fate of Third Lanark and Clydebank then the only solution is what has become known as the NewCo solution.

In contradistinction to football the NewCo means of exiting an insolvency situation with the business continuing, albeit with new owners, is the norm. Often this is accomplished by a "pre-pack". Whilst CVAs have become slightly more popular in general business in the course of the last few years, the great majority of Insolvency Processes which involve the "saving" of the business are implemented by means of a NewCo typically as a component of a pre-pack.

For whatever reasons a NewCo solution to an Insolvency Process is regarded negatively in football and the widely held view is that additional sporting sanctions, over and above any sporting sanctions that might have been imposed at the time of administration (15 or 25 point penalty and registration restrictions in the case of the SPFL) ought to result from a NewCo solution being adopted to secure an exit from insolvency.

SPFL Articles

The possibility of the transfer of the business assets and undertaking of a Club between one owner and operator and a new owner and operator has always been envisaged in the Articles of Association of the SPL. The relevant current SPFL Articles are 31 to 43 (inclusive).

These Articles apply whether the context of the proposed NewCo is one which involves an Insolvency Event or otherwise.

So far as SPFL Limited is concerned the critical component of a NewCo Transaction is the transfer of the one SPFL Limited share held by the existing owner and operator of the Club ("OldCo") to the proposed new owner and operator of the Club ("NewCo").

Subject to a series of mandatory requirements where to consent to the registration of the transfer of the SPFL Limited share must be refused, the Board of the SPFL Limited has absolute discretion, unfettered by any express criteria, to approve or otherwise the registration of the transfer of an SPL share between owners except in the context of relegation and promotion.
The discretion is not limited by any express criteria becausethe discretion must be exercised in the best interests of SPFL Limited and the members of SPFL Limited. In short, the members of the Board cannot either refuse to approve the registration or decline to approve the registration for reasons which are not reasons having regard to the interests of SPFL Limited and its shareholders.
Rangers FC

It is important to bear in mind that whilst Rangers FC spent Season 2011/2012 playing in the SPL and Season 2012/2013 playing in Division 3 of the SFL, that was not as a consequence of any sanction or penalty imposed either by the SPL, SFL or, for that matter SFA. Rather, what some argue effectively amounted to a relegation of three divisions was the result of the then shareholders in SPL Limited not agreeing to register the transfer of the Rangers OldCo share in SPL Limited from Rangers OldCo to Rangers NewCo and then Rangers NewCo only being able to secure associate membership of the SFL on the basis that Rangers FC, owned and operated by NewCo, would enter the SFL in Division 3.

There are many, and to some extent, conflicting analysis and rationales as to why the result was as it came to be of that process and, in the present context, there is unlikely to be any benefit in further examination of the events which led to it.

NewCo Arrangements in Insolvency Contexts – for discussion

It is understood that there is a view held by a number of SPFL Clubs that explicit provision should be made for a specific sporting sanction to be imposed in the event of "a Club" seeking to emerge from an Insolvency Process by use of a NewCo procedure. Whilst SPFL Article 33 entitles the Board to attach whatever conditions that it thinks fit to the approval of the transfer of an SPFL Limited share between an Oldco and a Newco, it is considered by some not to be appropriate to leave decision making on such conditions to the unfettered discretion of the Board.

The proposal that has been articulated is that whatever other conditions may be attached to the approval of the registration of the transfer of an SPFL Limited share in an insolvency context, the conditions should, as a minimum, require that the Club concerned be relegated by one division if a NewCo solution is implemented ("Sanction Relegation").

If the Club concerned were to be liable to be relegated in any event, by reason of its position in the relevant division at the end of the Season or by virtue of the result of a Play-Off Competition then the Sanction Relegation should be applied on top of the "Sporting Relegation".

The proposal is best explained by example.
Assume during a Season that the owner and operator of a Club suffers an Insolvency Event, most likely an administration, the result would be that the Club owned by that owner and operator would immediately suffer the fixed 15 points deduction. Assume that the Club is playing in the Premiership and that at the end of the relevant Season the Club concerned holds tenth place in the Premiership, taking account of the points deduction for the administration. Assume also that the Club is unable to exit its Insolvency Process by any means other than a NewCo solution. In such circumstances the Club concerned would, as part of the conditions attached to the SPFL share transfer, be relegated to play in the Championship in the immediately succeeding Season i.e. a “Sanction Relegation” would automatically be applied.

If the same Club were to finish in twelfth place in the Premiership at the end of the Season in question, taking into account the 15 points sporting sanction, then the Club would be relegated initially to the Championship, being a Sporting Relegation, and would then be subject to the Sanction Regulation taking the Club down to play in Division 1 in the immediately succeeding Season.
Precisely identical principles would be applied in the case of Clubs in the Divisions below the Premiership in the relevant Season.

One anomaly could arise where the Club using the NewCo solution finished in a play-off place at the end of a Season. The proposal in that situation is that the Club in last place in the Division shall participate in the play-off competition and the Club using the NewCo solution would be automatically relegated.

Further detailed provision would need to be made in the Rules for situations in which more than one Club in any one Season in any one Division uses a NewCo solution and/or are in the Divisional play-offs or are compelled to take part in the Pyramid Play-Off Competition from League 2 in which case some kind of pre-play-off competition(s) would need to be included in the Rules. Detailed provision would also require to be made for which Club(s) would be promoted as a consequence of a Sanction Relegation.

[JeMeSouviens]

continued long post ...



Steps Required for Implementation

The above approach to Sanction Relegation by essentially one Division has unanimous support from the Board. The next step is to identify the extent of support for the proposal amongst the Clubs.

Any change in the existing arrangements would require amendment of the Articles which would require (i) 11 Premiership Clubs to vote in favour (i.e. 11 Clubs); (ii) 75% of the Clubs comprised in both The Premiership and The Championship; and (iii) 75% of all the Clubs in membership of the SPFL.

The required changes are to Articles which are not included in SPFL Article 194 and therefore the three year moratorium and the 100% vote in favour do not apply.
 
One option would be to take the proposal as a discussion matter to Clubs at an All Club Meeting in order to identify the level of support. If the support was at a sufficient level and was sufficiently broad based to indicate likely adoption by the required majorities, then detailed drafting could be undertaken with a view to bringing proposed amendments to the Articles to the General Meeting proposed for 13 January.



SPFL Board
16 September 2013

[lucky]

There is no way in hell the rules are going to bent or changed during the season. It's embarrassing enough that the league is even listening to this rubbish.

[JimBHibees]

Don't think so as they already hold his registration.

Surely the registration would go to the team that own him.

[tamig]

I have just been informed by a Jambo in my work Hearts had 5 players lined up to sign for them had their transfer embargo been relaxed...this is brilliant the names were Skacel, Goodwillie, Gomes from Dundee Utd, Boyd and some young guy from Liverpool :rolleyes::faf::crazy:

He was obviosuly listening to that erse Ewan Murray on Sportsound during the week. Those were the names on Cocke's transfer target list before they went belly up in the summer. Incidentally, the Liverpool lad is Flanagan - who's now doing pretty well in the first team there. Ask the yam if he thinks the young lad would give up that to "fight" against relegation! :rolleyes:

[nribs]

He was obviosuly listening to that erse Ewan Murray on Sportsound during the week. Those were the names on Cocke's transfer target list before they went belly up in the summer. Incidentally, the Liverpool lad is Flanagan - who's now doing pretty well in the first team there. Ask the yam if he thinks the young lad would give up that to "fight" against relegation! :rolleyes: He is a she :) she kens all the players and that so it's factual according to her :)

[Gus Fring]

A few things about the Adam Kind deal. I've just been told the deal currently on the table will only be if he moves now or a smaller amount in the summer if he doesn't (Swansea are basically paying to get him now) He's not on much at Hearts so they should be able to offer him a new contract and trigger the development fee. The money will not be paid to Hearts in full straightaway. I've also been told the offer isn't £200,000. It may potentially rise to that when all is said and done but it's not a simple £200k and he's away.

BDO want him to go now so they can maximise the income from him.

There are other offers on the table for other players but the feedback from said players is they don't want to go just now. This is hampering BDO's willingness to sell and keep the club afloat beyond April.

[JeMeSouviens]

A few things about the Adam Kind deal. I've just been told the deal currently on the table will only be if he moves now or a smaller amount in the summer if he doesn't (Swansea are basically paying to get him now) He's not on much at Hearts so they should be able to offer him a new contract and trigger the development fee. The money will not be paid to Hearts in full straightaway. I've also been told the offer isn't £200,000. It may potentially rise to that when all is said and done but it's not a simple £200k and he's away.

BDO want him to go now so they can maximise the income from him.

There are other offers on the table for other players but the feedback from said players is they don't want to go just now. This is hampering BDO's willingness to sell and keep the club afloat beyond April.

So while bleating incessantly about 16 year olds (15 if you're strugglin'), health and safety, etc. they're going to let an 18 year old move now. :rolleyes: Whod've thought it? :rolleyes:

[tamig]

A few things about the Adam Kind deal. I've just been told the deal currently on the table will only be if he moves now or a smaller amount in the summer if he doesn't (Swansea are basically paying to get him now) He's not on much at Hearts so they should be able to offer him a new contract and trigger the development fee. The money will not be paid to Hearts in full straightaway. I've also been told the offer isn't £200,000. It may potentially rise to that when all is said and done but it's not a simple £200k and he's away.

BDO want him to go now so they can maximise the income from him.

There are other offers on the table for other players but the feedback from said players is they don't want to go just now. This is hampering BDO's willingness to sell and keep the club afloat beyond April.

All sounds pretty good. BDO could have a big issue here if these players continue to refuse to go.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

There is no way in hell the rules are going to bent or changed during the season. It's embarrassing enough that the league is even listening to this rubbish.

I fink day just got bent..

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/spfl-tell-hearts-transfers-still-possible-1-3263879

wot a fudge..

[PatHead]

So while bleating incessantly about 16 year olds (15 if you're strugglin'), health and safety, etc. they're going to let an 18 year old move now. :rolleyes: Whod've thought it? :rolleyes:

I posted the other day that I thought that was the scenario and that something would come out before Monday to strengthen his case. Can read these buggers like a book.

Why can't they die in peace.

[Aldo]

I fink day just got bent.. http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/spfl-tell-hearts-transfers-still-possible-1-3263879 wot a fudge..

Not as daft sounding as it is tbh. He was always going to say that.... I would suspect they would allow them to sign a keeper if they didn't have one BUT that's about it IMHO. No outfield players.

[Mikey]

I fink day just got bent..

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/spfl-tell-hearts-transfers-still-possible-1-3263879

wot a fudge..

Not too concerned about that. It would allow for things like Goalkeeper cover.

I can't see them being allowed to just bring someone in to strengthen the team.

[PatHead]

I fink day just got bent..

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/spfl-tell-hearts-transfers-still-possible-1-3263879

wot a fudge..

That was said the other day. Nothing new in it.

[The_Todd]

I fink day just got bent..

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/spfl-tell-hearts-transfers-still-possible-1-3263879

wot a fudge..

You have to remember it only applies to "exceptional circumstances". The "best youngsters in the country" turning out to be utter rubbish doesn't count so I wouldn't see it being approved.

[GreenLake]

There may be a case for bringing in Rudi Skacel as he could offer cover for supporters under the leaking main stand.

[truehibernian]

There may be a case for bringing in Rudi Skacel as he could offer cover for supporters under the leaking main stand.

Not if he has a runny nose - then you could be talking postponement for flooding and airlifting the fans out of there :agree:

[Spike Mandela]

You have to remember it only applies to "exceptional circumstances". The "best youngsters in the country" turning out to be utter rubbish doesn't count so I wouldn't see it being approved.

Depends how inventive BDO get with their 'exceptional circumstances'. They are masters at manipulating situations to get around their problems. Danny Wilson and HWU renegotiations spring to mind.

[tamig]

Depends how inventive BDO get with their 'exceptional circumstances'. They are masters at manipulating situations to get around their problems. Danny Wilson and HWU renegotiations spring to mind.

Don't think you can bring the Wilson situation in here. Hertz held his registration and Liverpool let him go. It wasn't a new registration as such.