2020-21 season non-Hibs games thread

[Since452]

Why not good for us?? We are closer to Celtic than Livi in table just now

We aren't going to finish above Celtic. More chance of Livingston finishing above us

[J-C]

How bad is Man U passing, can't believe the money these guys make and can hardly string 4 passes together. They can't dictate play when they're pressed, so slow in the build up, Man U are a counter team.

[Borderhibbie76]

That’s true to be fair. I was more meaning for moving clear of Livi. Although you’re right, every week that passes Celtic look worse and worse.

Draw probably ideal for us mate tbh but Celtic are that bad just now why can't we catch them?

[Magpie]

United back in it. 1-1

[Zambernardi1875]

Get our act together and we could be playing champions league football next season

[Coco Bryce]

But but but covid 😂😂

[Borderhibbie76]

We aren't going to finish above Celtic. More chance of Livingston finishing above usOn current form Celtic are very catchable they've been rank for months

[Sir David Gray]

Why not good for us?? We are closer to Celtic than Livi in table just now

I know it's not the ideal time to make this point but I can't see us potentially needing to make up 11 points on Celtic (if they lose tonight they're still 5 points ahead with 2 games in hand.)

Livingston have just hammered us at home and if they win tonight they'll be 6 points behind with a game in hand and our next game is against Rangers.

We definitely want a Celtic win tonight.

[Brightside]

We aren't going to finish above Celtic. More chance of Livingston finishing above us

That’s the spirit. 😂

[Coco Bryce]

On current form Celtic are very catchable they've been rank for months

Mental. But I'd rather play Celtic than Livi just now 🤣

[J-C]

I know it's not the ideal time to make this point but I can't see us potentially needing to make up 11 points on Celtic (if they lose tonight they're 5 points ahead with 2 games in hand.)

Livingston have just hammered us at home and if they win tomight they'll be 6 points behind with a game in hand and our next game is against Rangers.

We definitely want a Celtic win tonight.

If they lose tonight they're not guaranteed to win the 2 in hand.

[Borderhibbie76]

I know it's not the ideal time to make this point but I can't see us potentially needing to make up 11 points on Celtic (if they lose tonight they're 5 points ahead with 2 games in hand.)

Livingston have just hammered us at home and if they win tomight they'll be 6 points behind with a game in hand and our next game is against Rangers.

We definitely want a Celtic win tonight.

Not for me sorry id rather be positive and look upwards. Ideally a draw would suit us massively tonight

[007]

2nd place is definitely a possibility for us but so is 5th. What the best result is for us tonight is obviously splitting opinion. I guess it depends on whether you want to aim for 2nd or avoid dropping to 5th.

[Sir David Gray]

1-1

[calumhibee1]

1-1

[cabbageandribs1875]

uno-uno

[Callum_62]

Duffy is surley a Rangers plant?

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[Since452]

Good. Be happy if it finishes that way

[Jim44]

Why not good for us?? We are closer to Celtic than Livi in table just now

:aok: Enjoy their misery. We’ll take care of Livingston. :rockin:

[Jones28]

Good. Be happy if it finishes that way

Best result

[Northernhibee]

Booooooo!

[calumhibee1]

Duffy is surley a Rangers plant?

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Cant be. I love the guy which makes it impossible for him to be a Hun.

[EI255]

Duffy is surley a Rangers plant?

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[Tommy75]

Duffy is surley a Rangers plant?

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David Weir (Ex Rangers) works at Brighton in some capacity arranging loans. I wonder how influential he was in sending Duffy to Celtc.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Was wondering how my sky had ended up behind! :greengrin


bizarrely my IPTV Sky is approx 90 seconds ahead of my Radio, it's always been the other way around

[EI255]

1-2 now

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[hibee_girl]

Livingston 1-2 Celtic

[calumhibee1]

2-1 Bitton. Offside though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

2-1 sellick

[BegbieHSC]

This is a second string Livi side. Losing now, aye, but if we get past St Johnstone this weekend, I would be worried about facing them in the final.

[Since452]

Martindale bubble burst

[Mikey_1875]

Looks a really poor call from the linesman, not that I’m surprised

[calumhibee1]

Looks a really poor call from the linesman, not that I’m surprised

:agree:

He looked offside in real time. Was definitely offside in the replay.

[Brightside]

This is a second string Livi side. Losing now, aye, but if we get past St Johnstone this weekend, I would be worried about facing them in the final.

Eh? Firstly they haven’t beaten St Mirren. Secondly we won’t play as poorly as we did in the last game v them. They weren’t great. We were awful.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ajer should have put this to bed

[calumhibee1]

Eh? Firstly they haven’t beaten St Mirren. Secondly we won’t play as poorly as we did in the last game v them. They weren’t great. We were awful.

Whilst all those things are true, I don’t think it’s out of the question to be slightly concerned about playing them in the final with how they’ve been playing. They’ve been on a run that I can’t think of Hibs having been on similar in the top tier in my lifetime?

[hibsbollah]

This 360 degree multi camera angle on bt sport; has anyone noticed if it’s available on the game reruns or can you only view those angles just for the live games as they happen ? It’s an amazing coaching tool if nothing else.

[The Count]

Lennon refuses Sky interview.Well if i was a Sky executive i would remember that when he comes calling for a gig whuch will be soon.

[Sylar]

Normal service resumed in the SPFL - so blatantly offside, but carry on :rolleyes:

[mjhibby]

I know martindale has an eye on the semi final but they were on a cracking runand momentum can change very quickly. Lose tonight leaves them nine behind us with one game in hand. If they lose the semi final suddenly every fixture looks tougher and they are playing 8 games in 24 days so can see them dropping points. As always it’s what we do that matters but their back to back games v the dons followed by us having the dons at home will have a huge bearing on where everybody finishes.

[Sylar]

Whilst all those things are true, I don’t think it’s out of the question to be slightly concerned about playing them in the final with how they’ve been playing. They’ve been on a run that I can’t think of Hibs having been on similar in the top tier in my lifetime?

St Mirren have also been playing quite well lately and I wouldn't rule them out!

[Lancs Harp]

Juve 0 Napoli 0 in the Italian Super Cup at half time. Pretty dreadful if I'm honest.

[hibbysam]

I know martindale has an eye on the semi final but they were on a cracking runand momentum can change very quickly. Lose tonight leaves them nine behind us with one game in hand. If they lose the semi final suddenly every fixture looks tougher and they are playing 8 games in 24 days so can see them dropping points. As always it’s what we do that matters but their back to back games v the dons followed by us having the dons at home will have a huge bearing on where everybody finishes.

While true, for a club like Livi the chance of a cup final is massive, and even a 5th place finish will likely get Europe this season.

[BegbieHSC]

Eh? Firstly they haven’t beaten St Mirren. Secondly we won’t play as poorly as we did in the last game v them. They weren’t great. We were awful.

All true. And we blew them away back in August. But with their new manager, they look like a different animal now. Defo wouldn’t be going in to a potential final with them with the cockiness I had as a 14 y/o bairn heading to Hampden back in 04 😅.

[calumhibee1]

St Mirren have also been playing quite well lately and I wouldn't rule them out!

They’ve fell away a wee bit recently. 1 win in 6.

Still a decent side though :agree:

[Northernhibee]

Shane Duffy is a hilarious footballer.

[The Harp Awakes]

I know martindale has an eye on the semi final but they were on a cracking runand momentum can change very quickly. Lose tonight leaves them nine behind us with one game in hand. If they lose the semi final suddenly every fixture looks tougher and they are playing 8 games in 24 days so can see them dropping points. As always it’s what we do that matters but their back to back games v the dons followed by us having the dons at home will have a huge bearing on where everybody finishes.

Looks like he's assumed defeat knowing Celtic have most of their top players back. If that's his assumption then his view will be why risk his best players with the Semi coming up.

I agree though, might end up doing more bad than good to Livi as it stops momentum.

[Since452]

Livi have been on a great run but it's how they bounce back from a defeat that will be Martindale's biggest test

[EI255]

Shane Duffy is a hilarious footballer.I think he'd struggle in English League One. That's perhaps his level.

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[calumhibee1]

I think he'd struggle in English League One. That's perhaps his level.

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:agree:

He’s nowhere near good enough for this level, never mind one of the OF. League One or Two down south would be his level I reckon.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I think he'd struggle in English League One. That's perhaps his level.

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i think he'd struggle in Scottish league one

[Lancs Harp]

Juve 1 Napoli 0 (Ronaldo, who else? career goal 716) Juve offered a bit more in the second half. Napoli haven't turned up at all as of yet. One down they will have to get their finger out now. Better start to the second half, well certainly from a Juve POV, first half was pretty poor.

[weecounty hibby]

Is it just me that would find it really funny if this game was abandoned due to the weather?

[cabbageandribs1875]

snow getting quite heavy in the West of Lothian

[calumhibee1]

2-2. Jet

[Magpie]

Livi 👀

[Jonnyboy]

2-2. Jet

Jumbo Jet 😂

[weecounty hibby]

Is it just me that would find it really funny if this game was abandoned due to the weather?

Maybe not now.🤣🤣🤣Celtics defense is honking

[cabbageandribs1875]

2-2 deary me sellick

[Northernhibee]

:faf:

[mutley]

Good stuff. Want a draw


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[Baldy Foghorn]

Didn't realise Tony Caig is a coach at Livingston.

Stephen Sproule must be Ivan's brother, they look so alike

[Jim44]

2-2 deary me sellick

Don’t patronise them ....... they’re crap.

[kaimendhibs]

If that snow keeps up celtc could get out of jail here

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[weecounty hibby]

How does Duffy earn a living as a footballer. If he had been Billy Duffy from Norn Irn no way would he have been signed by celtic

[Callum_62]

How does Duffy earn a living as a footballer. If he had been Billy Duffy from Norn Irn no way would he have been signed by celticto be fair he played quite a few games in the epl

Fully expected him to be decent but he looks absolutely terrible

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[cabbageandribs1875]

if my lip-reading is correct i think neil lennon just said this is all the scottish governments fault

[Allant1981]

Juve 1 Napoli 0 (Ronaldo, who else? career goal 716) Juve offered a bit more in the second half. Napoli haven't turned up at all as of yet. One down they will have to get their finger out now. Better start to the second half, well certainly from a Juve POV, first half was pretty poor.


760 goals I think, not 716

[calumhibee1]

if my lip-reading is correct i think neil lennon just said this is all the scottish governments fault

I saw that aswell. Said First Minister Flo Kamberi is a prick.

[Magpie]

Screamer from Pogba. 2-1 Utd

[easty]

Brilliant goal by Pogba.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I saw that aswell. Said First Minister Flo Kamberi is a prick.


:hilarious

[Lancs Harp]

Napoli miss a penalty just about sums up their performance tonight. Still 1-0 Juve, 10 minutes left.

[Ronniekirk]

If that snow keeps up celtc could get out of jail here

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How long to go it’s 945 pm ffs


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[Jim44]

Despite wanting Celtic to get stuffed, I suppose a draw suits us all round.

[Jim44]

How long to go it’s 945 pm ffs


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Still the best part of 20 mins. to go.

[cabbageandribs1875]

How long to go it’s 945 pm ffs


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didn't start until 8:15pm...still 18+ mins

[lord bunberry]

The orange baw will be coming out soon in this game.

[Carheenlea]

The orange baw will be coming out soon in this game.

Getting pretty white, but ball rolling pretty well on the surface.

[cannastar]

think this will be it for lennon sub standad players like duffy and taylor have got him his jotters. 2 to 1 up against livingston and pegged back through schoolboy errors anything else now is papering the cracks its a virtually full celtic side against livi half reserves. ajer will get a move soon too good for this league. cant say ill be dissapointed after what lennon did to us karma comes to mind.

[The Spaceman]

Who will the born winner blame for this one? Another horrendous performance, love to see it. Duffy is as honking a defender as I remember seeing in our league in any team, ever.

[calumhibee1]

4 weeks since hairdressers shut and near enough none of the players look like they’ve went 4 weeks without one. Annoyed me during the lockdown earlier in the year and it’s annoying me again now :greengrin

[Callum_62]

The orange baw will be coming out soon in this game.I'm getting older but I can barely see the ball sometimes

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[Callum_62]

4 weeks since hairdressers shut and near enough none of the players look like they’ve went 4 weeks without one. Annoyed me during the lockdown earlier in the year and it’s annoying me again now :greengrinI'm. Sure. Hairdressers were open in dubai

[emoji102]

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[007]

Who will the born winner blame for this one? Another horrendous performance, love to see it. Duffy is as honking a defender as I remember seeing in our league in any team, ever.

If they don't win I wouldn't be surprised if Lennon doesn't do the post-match interview.

[Callum_62]

If they don't win I wouldn't be surprised if Lennon doesn't do the post-match interview.He won't anyway coz he's fell out with sky

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[Magpie]

4 weeks since hairdressers shut and near enough none of the players look like they’ve went 4 weeks without one. Annoyed me during the lockdown earlier in the year and it’s annoying me again now :greengrin

Great barbers in Dubai apparently..

Joking aside I’m in desperate need of one 😭

[kaimendhibs]

Surely they need to clear the lines and get an orange ball out

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[calumhibee1]

I'm. Sure. Hairdressers were open in dubai

[emoji102]

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:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

just abandon this, health and safety and all that

[calumhibee1]

Brown straight red 😂 probably a red by the letter of the law but never a red at the same time.

[Callum_62]

Brown sent off after coming on a few mins ago

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[SaulGoodman]

Scott brown, fud

[marinello59]

Scott Brown off. Oh dear. Didn’t look like a red though.

[Paul1642]

Would be better for Hibs if Celtic win yet I can’t help but enjoy this a lot :)

[cabbageandribs1875]

incredible he was only on a few mins ?

[kaimendhibs]

Broonie. Total idiot there

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[DaveF]

Terrible from Collum. He's such a ***** referee.

[Callum_62]

Andy walker saying a yellow?

Defo red, not sure what brown was doing there

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[Lancs Harp]

2-0 Juve scored with the last kick of the game.

[kaimendhibs]

Terrible from Collum. He's such a ***** referee.Really. Brown stopped, waited and launched the elbow

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[cabbageandribs1875]

bit of play acting i think, need a view from the front

[007]

Really. Brown stopped, waited and launched the elbow

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bit of play acting i think, need a view from the front

You're both right.

[DaveF]

Really. Brown stopped, waited and launched the elbow

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Nowhere near an elbow imo and a good bit of acting from the Livi player. Only seen it once so I reserve the right to be totally wrong 🙂

[Northernhibee]

Livi player made the most of it but it's a deliberate movement of the elbow towards the player.

[Borderhibbie76]

He won't anyway coz he's fell out with sky

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Aye he's hiding from the media again like he did towards the end at us. When the going gets tough...the born winner goes into hiding

[SaulGoodman]

You're both right.

Yep, boy went down a bit dramatically, probably a yellow but why is Brown giving the referee the option?

[Del Boy]

Has got away with that cowardly **** for years so **** him

[kaimendhibs]

Put it this way, if he did it against Hibs he would get zero excuses or sympathy on here

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[Carheenlea]

Big difference in the number of footprints in Celtic’s half than Livingston’s.

[we are hibs]

Celtic all over the place

[DaveF]

Put it this way, if he did it against Hibs he would get zero excuses or sympathy on here

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Who is making excuses for him? All we are doing is giving an opinion on whether it's a red or not. I couldnt care less about Brown but I still think it's a harsh red.

[Lancs Harp]

Big difference in the number of footprints in Celtic’s half than Livingston’s.

Clearly snowing harder at that end of the pitch. :greengrin

[Callum_62]

Livi reserves are absolutely pummelling them here

If celtic hold on form is

LDDD

3 points from 12. That in itself is sacking territory

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[SaulGoodman]

Fair play to the Celtc fans, they’ve no stopped singing this second half.

[hibee-boys]

You can’t be lifting your arm at an opponent’s face, nice to see him getting pulled up for it for once.

[cabbageandribs1875]

5 mins added

[cannastar]

in browns defence colum didnt look like he wanted to book anyone earlier duffy should have had a yellow but he wasted no time in flashing yellow when brown fouled. not sure this game should have continued as cant see lines on pitch clearly.says it all when gavin reilly couldnt get a game for carlisle makes duffy and co look like second raters.

[Since452]

5 mins added

Wonder if Celtic can hold on

[Pagan Hibernia]

Will this be Lennons last game?

[007]

in browns defence colum didnt look like he wanted to book anyone earlier duffy should have had a yellow but he wasted no time in flashing yellow when brown fouled. not sure this game should have continued as cant see lines on pitch clearly.says it all when gavin reilly couldnt get a game for carlisle makes duffy and co look like second raters.

I can see the lines. You need to adjust your TV's / device's settings. 😀

[cabbageandribs1875]

Wonder if Celtic can hold on


how annoying we dropped points to them at ER

[kaimendhibs]

Who is making excuses for him? All we are doing is giving an opinion on whether it's a red or not. I couldnt care less about Brown but I still think it's a harsh red.Good on you. Fwiw I think hes a great guy and Im pals with his brother. But its a red card

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[Northernhibee]

Big difference in the number of footprints in Celtic’s half than Livingston’s.

Look how untouched the snow is in Livi's full back areas - Celtic play so, so narrow.

[Sir David Gray]

Full time.

[DaveF]

Good on you. Fwiw I think hes a great guy and Im pals with his brother. But its a red card

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Cool, we'll disagree. Pass on my regards 😁

[cabbageandribs1875]

Holiday Hangover for sellick players

[BILLYHIBS]

Taxi for Lenny!

[kaimendhibs]

Cool, we'll disagree. Pass on my regards [emoji16]No probs [emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2]

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[Since452]

Hearts must look on the cup final as an opportunity missed the more time goes on

[easty]

So close to an equaliser for Fulham. Just an inch wide.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the snow looked a lot deeper at the end livi were defending

[Brightside]

They surely sack him now.

[Borderhibbie76]

Its amazing how honking Celtic have become under lennon this year...its his last year at Hibs on repeat

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Thought the red was a wee bit harsh but when you swing a forearm into someone’s face you’re asking for trouble.

[Northernhibee]

Its amazing how honking Celtic have become under lennon this year...its his last year at Hibs on repeat

Don't know about that, most entertaining Celtic side I've seen in years.

[calumhibee1]

Unless my maths is wrong, Celtic have won 8, drawn 7 and lost 7 of their last 22 games in all competitions with 1 of they wins being on pens. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

very best of luck for jim goodwins side on sunday

[gbhibby]

Martindale new Celtic manager?

[Since452]

very best of luck for jim goodwins side on sunday

They'll need it

[Sir David Gray]

Unless my maths is wrong, Celtic have won 8, drawn 7 and lost 7 of their last 22 games in all competitions with 1 of they wins being on pens. :greengrin

Yeah that's correct.

[S4uzee]

Win the Celtic and Dun.Utd games at home and we’d have pushing them for 2nd

[alhibby]

Thought the red was a wee bit harsh but when you swing a forearm into someone’s face you’re asking for trouble.

When you swing a forearm into someone’s face You are not only looking for trouble, you are looking at a red card

[dp00]

Martindale new Celtic manager?

He is doing a cracking job at livi. Shocking SFA deciding if he is fit and proper tho


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[mcohibs]

They surely sack him now.

This isn't the tipping point though, it happened weeks ago. League has been over for a while now. Think he's here til end of season and Celtic board will take time to get the right man in

[calumhibee1]

Celtic won all the points bar two. I think that’s remarkable.

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[Sir David Gray]

Screamer from Pogba. 2-1 Utd

Top of the league. 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪

[Biggie]

Too many celtic players simply not good enough. Brown unlucky i thought...Red card ?..dunno
Anyway their looking to win the game and they take griff off !....its all falling apart for them.

[Bishop Hibee]

Top trolling from Livi with that tweet.

[Lancs Harp]

Celtic would have been better off going for their break in the arctic circle. Would have been far better preparation for the snows of West Lothian.

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[green day]

He is doing a cracking job at livi. Shocking SFA deciding if he is fit and proper tho


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You think there shouldn't be questions due to him being a convicted drug dealer?

[Scottie]

He is doing a cracking job at livi. Shocking SFA deciding if he is fit and proper tho


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Whys it shocking ? Thats part of their job isn't it ?

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[eastterrace]

Hearts must look on the cup final as an opportunity missed the more time goes on
Change the word Hearts to Hibs .

[calumhibee1]

You think there shouldn't be questions due to him being a convicted drug dealer?

Not for me.

It wouldn’t be questioned if it was a player. It wouldn’t be questioned in day-to-day life either as far as I’m aware unless it was company policy, which it clearly isn’t for Livi?

[gbhibby]

Brown did the same against wee Steph at Easter Road but Steph didn't go down. You swing your arm like that red card all day long.

[Sylar]

It possibly wasn't a red, but it definitely shouldn't have been a goal to put them 1-2 so they can whinge all they like :greengrin

[green day]

Not for me.

It wouldn’t be questioned if it was a player. It wouldn’t be questioned in day-to-day life either as far as I’m aware unless it was company policy, which it clearly isn’t for Livi?

Ok. I am all for giving people a chance, depending on what they have done.

A drug dealer though? No thanks, when I was hiring people, I wouldn't employ someone like him.

[hibbysam]

How can anyone say it’s not a red card? He’s looked and seen the boy, he even looks like he’s flicked a leg out, and then closed fist swung his arm and caught the boy on the chin. It’s a red card in every game in every league. Browns got away with that for years, about time he got pulled up for it.

[JimBHibees]

How many penalty decisions has Collum got wrong in the last couple of months? 6 off the top of my head. Utterly shambolic

[calumhibee1]

Having watched that back after the game it probably is a red imo.

The actual contact isn’t so bad but the ball is away and he’s planted himself, waited for the guy and swung at him. I thought it was more of an on the ball incident at the time.

[marinello59]

How can anyone say it’s not a red card? He’s looked and seen the boy, he even looks like he’s flicked a leg out, and then closed fist swung his arm and caught the boy on the chin. It’s a red card in every game in every league. Browns got away with that for years, about time he got pulled up for it.

:agree:
I’ve changed my mind after seeing it again. Red all day long.

[JimBHibees]

How can anyone say it’s not a red card? He’s looked and seen the boy, he even looks like he’s flicked a leg out, and then closed fist swung his arm and caught the boy on the chin. It’s a red card in every game in every league. Browns got away with that for years, about time he got pulled up for it.

Stick on red absolute cheap shot

[calumhibee1]

Ok. I am all for giving people a chance, depending on what they have done.

A drug dealer though? No thanks, when I was hiring people, I wouldn't employ someone like him.

I think it’s fair that you can ‘discriminate’ against someone with a criminal record to a degree, I just think it should be left down to individual employers to decide themselves and not have another body such as the SFA make the decision for them. :agree:

[green day]

:agree:
I’ve changed my mind after seeing it again. Red all day long.

Me too !

[Northernhibee]

That puts Celtic twenty points behind in the league but they have two games in hand, so once they're played that's Celtic twenty points behind in the league.

[JimBHibees]

They'll need it

Think St Mirren will win

[Magpie]

Real Madrid knocked out of the Copa Del Rey by Alcoyano...

[Allez Hibs]

Real Madrid knocked out of the Copa Del Rey by Alcoyano...

Proper setup in Spain. Lower ranked team always hosts the game in Copa Del Rey.

[Magpie]

Top of the league. 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪

Until City play that game in hand 😉

Another game undefeated away though, good going.

[Allez Hibs]

Very impressed with the Livingston manager. He's just been on Sportsound. What a record so far.

[Cat Stanton]

You think there shouldn't be questions due to him being a convicted drug dealer?

Think he'll be alright anyway. If someone who has been convicted of multiple counts of fraud - and described in the process as a "glib and shameless liar" by the judge - is deemed a "fit and proper" person by the SFA, I'm pretty sure anything goes.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Change the word Hearts to Hibs .

so true. I’d have fancied us in that cup final

[Northernhibee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsNXXd5XUAAFa7a?format=jpg

Livi really ripping the pish :greengrin

[Magpie]

Very impressed with the Livingston manager. He's just been on Sportsound. What a record so far.

He obviously knows his stuff. But then again I thought that about Hecky and look how that ended up 🙃

[green day]

Think he'll be alright anyway. If someone who has been convicted of multiple counts of fraud - and described in the process as a "glib and shameless liar" by the judge - is deemed a "fit and proper" person by the SFA, I'm pretty sure anything goes.

Yes, fair comment. They basically buggered the entire system after that.

[Callum_62]

It's not the first time the lines have disappeared at Livi


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[Sir David Gray]

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Livi really ripping the pish :greengrin

:tee hee:

[Lancs Harp]

Real Madrid got knocked out of the Spanish Cup tonight by third tier side Alcoyano. 2-1 AET, Real had opened the scoring. A huge night for Alcoyano. They play in the town of Alcoy (near Valencia). Congratulations to them.

[Magpie]

Real Madrid got knocked out of the Spanish Cup tonight by third tier side Alcoyano. 2-1 AET, Real had opened the scoring. A huge night for Alcoyano. They play in the town of Alcoy (near Valencia). Congratulations to them.

They were down to 10 men before scoring the winner too. Real Madrid and Barcelona a shadow of what they were.

[GRA]

Think he'll be alright anyway. If someone who has been convicted of multiple counts of fraud - and described in the process as a "glib and shameless liar" by the judge - is deemed a "fit and proper" person by the SFA, I'm pretty sure anything goes.

15 years ago. He's shown his remorse for it and worked hard to get his current role and be great at it thus far. Can't let it define your life otherwise what's the point in rehabilitating people?

[wookie70]

How can anyone say it’s not a red card? He’s looked and seen the boy, he even looks like he’s flicked a leg out, and then closed fist swung his arm and caught the boy on the chin. It’s a red card in every game in every league. Browns got away with that for years, about time he got pulled up for it.
Did he stand on him afterwards. I only seen the incident a couple of times and it was idiotic but I think he also may have stood on the guy as he was lying on the ground. Moronic for such an experienced player but he is similar to Lennon and is a terrible loser and will swing out at the nearest target when it isn't going well.

[hibbysam]

Did he stand on him afterwards. I only seen the incident a couple of times and it was idiotic but I think he also may have stood on the guy as he was lying on the ground. Moronic for such an experienced player but he is similar to Lennon and is a terrible loser and will swing out at the nearest target when it isn't going well.

No idea, he definitely had a kick (more a flick but still daft) while throwing the arm/fist towards the player.

[wookie70]

Its amazing how honking Celtic have become under lennon this year...its his last year at Hibs on repeat

Predictable would be the word I would use. There is only so long a shouty manager, who doesn't do tactics can keep the best team in the country, with by far the most resources at the top. He was a disaster waiting to happen and it defies belief that the Celtc board kept him on after the Elastoplast period that was required when Rodgers left. They will take a wee while to recover as he has left them in a worse position squad wise than he inherited. The next manager may be a Celtc version of Heck who can't get enough quality in during a single window. The only sad thing is that the other cheek ends up winning the league. If we had just kept our form for the home games we would have had a great chance of second.

[Brightside]

Not for me.

It wouldn’t be questioned if it was a player. It wouldn’t be questioned in day-to-day life either as far as I’m aware unless it was company policy, which it clearly isn’t for Livi?

Of course it would. Not sure what jobs you apply for but the vast majority do criminal background checks and if you are in any position of responsibility then there is a slim chance you are getting through with a drug conviction.

The Mr Nice guy that is being presented by the football press is a big leap forward from his past, and the reason that Kenny Millar and Gary Holt were there (and now arent there).

There is no real change at Livingston. DM has been running that team for a long time.

[calumhibee1]

Of course it would. Not sure what jobs you apply for but the vast majority to criminal background checks and if you are in any position of responsibility then there is a slim chance you are getting through with a drug conviction.

The Mr Nice guy that is being present by the football press is a big leap forward from his past, and the reason that Kenny Millar and Gary Holt were there (and now arent there).

There is no real change at Livingston. DM has been running that team for a long time.

As I said, as far as I’m aware that’s company policy, not something that is decided by another organisation. If Livi don’t carry that company policy then that’s totally up to them and it shouldn’t be enforced by a different organisation.

[Brightside]

As I said, as far as I’m aware that’s company policy, not something that is decided by another organisation. If Livi don’t carry that company policy then that’s totally up to them and it shouldn’t be enforced by a different organisation.

Background checks are law - not company policy. Companies do it to adhere to strict regulations. SFA member clubs have to adhere to those regulations. As others have said i fully expect him to be passed but I wouldnt pass him in a million years. We arent talking about someone who sold a bit of grass. He was a major member of one of the biggest criminal organizations in scotland. Think how many people have been damaged due to the actions of those crimes.

[CropleyWasGod]

Background checks are law - not company policy. Companies do it to adhere to strict regulations. SFA member clubs have to adhere to those regulations. As others have said i fully expect him to be passed but I wouldnt pass him in a million years. We arent talking about someone who sold a bit of grass. He was a major member of one of the biggest criminal organizations in scotland. Think how many people have been damaged due to the actions of those crimes.

It's not a legal requirement, except in some industries.https://www.gov.uk/employers-checks-job-applicants

[Brightside]

It's not a legal requirement, except in some industries.https://www.gov.uk/employers-checks-job-applicants

He would have had a DBS check as they are a community football team and they have interactions with children. I dont know anyone working at any level of coaching who hasnt had to have full disclosure checks.

[CropleyWasGod]

He would have had a DBS check as they are a community football team and they have interactions with children. I dont know anyone working at any level of coaching who hasnt had to have full disclosure checks.

Fair point. So presumably he passed?

[hibbysam]

He would have had a DBS check as they are a community football team and they have interactions with children. I dont know anyone working at any level of coaching who hasnt had to have full disclosure checks.

Even then, Livi have obviously passed him as fine for the job. The SFA shouldn’t be involved in it at all. Everyone deserves a second chance in life and that’s up to employers to give.

[Brightside]

Fair point. So presumably he passed?

Here is the crux.... you dont pass or fail. Its up to the employer to use that information to decide if the applicant is suitable for the role. Its been brought up for years with Livingston. He was coaching there back when David Hopkins was mgr.

Back in 2006 "Former director of Scotland Against Drugs, Alistair Ramsay, who advised the Scottish Government on drugs policy, said: “It is irresponsible of a club to behave in this way.

“Footballers at all levels, whether they are coaches or players, really need to be above reproach when it comes to their own behaviour.

“Someone setting such a poor example should not be given the opportunity to work with young people.”"


I wouldnt have an issue if it was minor crimes but they were heavy distributors or Heroin and Cocaine. I'd be disgusted if Hibs every gave him a role.

[superfurryhibby]

Disclosure Scotland are the body that administer Scotland’s PVG scheme. Martindale will have been obliged to undergo one, as the club clearly work with minors. The onus is on the employer to risk assess suitability. DBS is an English equivalent.

https://www.mygov.scot/pvg-scheme/types-of-work-covered-by-pvg/

I agree that people deserve the chance of rehabilitation (there are emotive and horrific crimes which I might except from that). That said Martindale was in deep with serious organised crime. This wasn’t a minor indiscretion. £300,000 worth of cocaine. He also had £100,000 worth of assets seized.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/drugs-baron-and-student-partner-jailed-cocaine-trafficking-2510109

[Since452]

Difficult one. If Hibs had employed Martindale as manager would I feel a bit uneasy about it? Yes. Would I want my kids looking up to him? No. Do people deserve a second chance? Absolutely. Earn that respect back.

It's a hard one with it being a very public role where you're seen as being a role model however Livingston have deemed him a fit and proper person so that should be that.

[marinello59]

Even then, Livi have obviously passed him as fine for the job. The SFA shouldn’t be involved in it at all. Everyone deserves a second chance in life and that’s up to employers to give.

:agree:

[Jones28]

Here is the crux.... you dont pass or fail. Its up to the employer to use that information to decide if the applicant is suitable for the role. Its been brought up for years with Livingston. He was coaching there back when David Hopkins was mgr.

Back in 2006 "Former director of Scotland Against Drugs, Alistair Ramsay, who advised the Scottish Government on drugs policy, said: “It is irresponsible of a club to behave in this way.

“Footballers at all levels, whether they are coaches or players, really need to be above reproach when it comes to their own behaviour.

“Someone setting such a poor example should not be given the opportunity to work with young people.”"


I wouldnt have an issue if it was minor crimes but they were heavy distributors or Heroin and Cocaine. I'd be disgusted if Hibs every gave him a role.

I'm in a similar boat to you, I would not be happy if Hibs gave someone found guilty of crimes like this such a prominent role. People who commit crimes like this are capable of rehabilitation, no doubt, but should that rehab allow that person to take up a role of such importance? I'm not so sure.

[norhfc]

Difficult one. If Hibs had employed Martindale as manager would I feel a bit uneasy about it? Yes. Would I want my kids looking up to him? No. Do people deserve a second chance? Absolutely. Earn that respect back.

It's a hard one with it being a very public role where you're seen as being a role model however Livingston have deemed him a fit and proper person so that should be that.

This for me, he has obviously worked very hard to get into the position he is in today. To come up through the ranks at Livi he has earn that respect back. No point giving people a life sentence when they are released, that is the quickest way back to a life of crime.

[wookie70]

If he isn't allowed to try and make a new life then there is far more chance he will continue with his old life. It sounds like he worked his way up from a lower level proving himself and showing he has turned the corner. He is doing a great job and is now a valued member of society, that is a good news story

[green day]

I'm in a similar boat to you, I would not be happy if Hibs gave someone found guilty of crimes like this such a prominent role. People who commit crimes like this are capable of rehabilitation, no doubt, but should that rehab allow that person to take up a role of such importance? I'm not so sure.

I agree.

People deserve a second chance, and Livi are to be commended for doing this with him. He is clearly a fantastic coach and has by all accounts been the driving force there for years.

His elevation to First Team Manager means that he is the front face, he is on the tv and radio every week laughing and joking away - something which might grate for those in scotland who have family suffer through drug addiction or the criminality that surrounds the trade.

However, that was Livis choice and I expect the SFA will also just rubber stamp it next week.

[CropleyWasGod]

Here is the crux.... you dont pass or fail. Its up to the employer to use that information to decide if the applicant is suitable for the role. Its been brought up for years with Livingston. He was coaching there back when David Hopkins was mgr.

Back in 2006 "Former director of Scotland Against Drugs, Alistair Ramsay, who advised the Scottish Government on drugs policy, said: “It is irresponsible of a club to behave in this way.

“Footballers at all levels, whether they are coaches or players, really need to be above reproach when it comes to their own behaviour.

“Someone setting such a poor example should not be given the opportunity to work with young people.”"


I wouldnt have an issue if it was minor crimes but they were heavy distributors or Heroin and Cocaine. I'd be disgusted if Hibs every gave him a role.

I meant he "passed" in the eyes of his employer. I'm well aware of ther PVG process, as I have clearance myself.


Should he bear that cross for the rest of his life IYO?

[Brightside]

Should he bear that cross for the rest of his life IYO?

Bear the cross for the fact he got caught? :wink:

I dont think anyone who has a background running a huge drug trafficking organisation should be allowed anywhere near a community football club. But thats just my opinion.

[CropleyWasGod]

Bear the cross for the fact he got caught? :wink:

I dont think anyone who has a background running a huge drug trafficking organisation should be allowed anywhere near a community football club. But thats just my opinion.

:greengrin I meant that, in the eyes of society, he's paid his debt.

But, yeah, it is an opinion thing, of course.:agree:

[superfurryhibby]

Here is the crux.... you dont pass or fail. Its up to the employer to use that information to decide if the applicant is suitable for the role. Its been brought up for years with Livingston. He was coaching there back when David Hopkins was mgr.

Back in 2006 "Former director of Scotland Against Drugs, Alistair Ramsay, who advised the Scottish Government on drugs policy, said: “It is irresponsible of a club to behave in this way.

“Footballers at all levels, whether they are coaches or players, really need to be above reproach when it comes to their own behaviour.

“Someone setting such a poor example should not be given the opportunity to work with young people.”"


I wouldnt have an issue if it was minor crimes but they were heavy distributors or Heroin and Cocaine. I'd be disgusted if Hibs every gave him a role.


Martindale was only sentenced in 2006 and released in 2010, so I'm a bit puzzled by the quote you made? Martindale became involved at Livi in 2014.

Have to say, I wouldn't want him anywhere near Hibs.

[Brightside]

Martindale was only sentenced in 2006 and released in 2010, so I'm a bit puzzled by the quote you made? Martindale became involved at Livi in 2014.

Have to say, I wouldn't want him anywhere near Hibs.

apologies - that was a typo on my part. 2016 that quote was from.

[B.H.F.C]

If he isn't allowed to try and make a new life then there is far more chance he will continue with his old life. It sounds like he worked his way up from a lower level proving himself and showing he has turned the corner. He is doing a great job and is now a valued member of society, that is a good news story

Agree with this. People should be allowed a second chance. He’s been given one and done really well for himself. Fair play to him.

[greenginger]

Martindale was only sentenced in 2006 and released in 2010, so I'm a bit puzzled by the quote you made? Martindale became involved at Livi in 2014.

Have to say, I wouldn't want him anywhere near Hibs.


Must say I wouldn’t want him anywhere near Easter Road either.

Not for his past crimes , but his bloody voice and accent. :greengrin

[Paul1642]

While I understand the second chance narrative there has to be a limit when involved in a role such a Football manager. If he was a convicted sex offender or pedophile there would be no sympathy here. Instead he was involved at a serious level drug supply. In a country with a drug death record as bad as ours that is not something I think compatible with a public figure.

[we are hibs]

Klopp is a bit of a prick

[HoboHarry]

Boy oh boy are Liverpool misfiring up front or what?

[easty]

Pen to Burnley!

[Magpie]

Liverpool struggling big time. Spurs and Man City in the next couple of weeks.

[easty]

0-1

[J-C]

Boy oh boy are Liverpool misfiring up front or what?

Misfiring from back to front, their problem is they don't have a plan B and it looks like teams have sussed them a wee bit and Burnley score with a pen as I type.

[Sir David Gray]

:faf:

[hibbysam]

Fabinho eh 😂 easy to defend when you dominate the ball but yet another mistake that’s led to a penalty and probably dropped points. Positional sense was terrible earlier for the chance Barnes skied as well.

[cabbageandribs1875]

new winners for both Scottish and english top leagues this season

[we are hibs]

Oh.

[Magpie]

Liverpool 0-1 Burnley FT

Burnley have ended the home record for Liverpool!

[Andy74]

Klopp must go. A couple of good seasons out of six. On the slide, failed to build, no plan B etc etc.

[Sir David Gray]

4 league games without a goal now. :tee hee:

[Andy74]

4 league games without a goal now. :tee hee:

He should have gone after losing 7 to the team that scraped their way past relegation last season. Unacceptable. 😂

[J-C]

Have they lost their hunger? become complacent? They looked a mid table team tonight, you can get away with the odd player being off form but when half the team is off form this happens. Big dilemma for Klopp, does he stay with these players or is it time to move a few on, for me Firmino looks miles off the player he was as is Mane and Salah looks like he's trying too hard.

[Brightside]

Neil Lennon fav to take over.

[Scottie]

Credit to Burnley they do what they do well. Absolute fantastic result for them. :applause:

[Bobby's Cinema]

Have they lost their hunger? become complacent? They looked a mid table team tonight, you can get away with the odd player being off form but when half the team is off form this happens. Big dilemma for Klopp, does he stay with these players or is it time to move a few on, for me Firmino looks miles off the player he was as is Mane and Salah looks like he's trying too hard.
Turned on with 20 mins to go, trying to score the perfect goal it seemed. Nowhere near direct enough IMO and I don't mean long ball but getting running at the by-line flashing crosses and hitting first time. Too much about the quick sharp touches around the box trying to score the perfect goal when the ball was there to be hit several times. Salah was the worst offender.

[Hibernia&Alba]

4 league games without a goal now. :tee hee:

Inexplicable, when you consider how prolific their front three were last season.

[Stevie Reid]

Liverpool had two amazing seasons back to back where they barely dropped any points in the league, and won the CL and EPL back to back.

They could never keep those performance levels up. Especially with how many games there are in quick succession this season.

[WhileTheChief..]

Give it a few months and their forums will won’t be too different to here!

[hibbysam]

Turned on with 20 mins to go, trying to score the perfect goal it seemed. Nowhere near direct enough IMO and I don't mean long ball but getting running at the by-line flashing crosses and hitting first time. Too much about the quick sharp touches around the box trying to score the perfect goal when the ball was there to be hit several times. Salah was the worst offender.

I thought it was the opposite, they ran out of ideas and fired cross after cross into the box but that’s what Burnley live for. They very rarely broke Burnley down.

[easty]

Klopp is a bit of a prick

Ive been saying this for ages.

[Magpie]

I still fancy Liverpool to knock United out the FA Cup on Sunday.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Liverpool doing a Celtic this season by the looks of it

[Magpie]

Liverpool’s home record under Klopp has been brilliant over the last few years.

Puts into perspective how great Jose Mourinho’s record was, across 9 years 1 month and 10 days he went 150 league games unbeaten at home.

[jgl07]

I suppose it has been on the cards. Liverpool had a small tight squad and did not rotate as much as their rivals it worked very well for a couple of years, largely because the avoided injuries for their key players. They also focussed on two competitions - the Premier League and the Champions League - fielding weakened teams in the League Cup and the FA Cup.

Liverpool haven’t become a bad team overnight, but the effort has affected the form of key players and the goals for have dried up somewhat.

All that pressure may now have caught up with them and injuries have mounted particularly in central defence have adversely affected the it form. The compressed nature of the PL season starting a month or more late but still trying to pack as many games in will be a factor.

[JimBHibees]

I suppose it has been on the cards. Liverpool had a small tight squad and did not rotate as much as their rivals it worked very well for a couple of years, largely because the avoided injuries for their key players. They also focussed on two competitions - the Premier League and the Champions League - fielding weakened teams in the League Cup and the FA Cup.

Liverpool haven’t become a bad team overnight, but the effort has affected the form of key players and the goals for have dried up somewhat.

All that pressure may now have caught up with them and injuries have mounted particularly in central defence have adversely affected the it form. The compressed nature of the PL season starting a month or more late but still trying to pack as many games in will be a factor.

Central defence injuries have hugely affected their team including moving their best midfielders into defence. Surprised they didn't bring in a central defender this window. Front 3 struggling particularly Firmino and Salah. Squad players nowhere near the level. Bit of a perfect storm at the moment will be interesting what team he picks for the cup game.

[The Modfather]

Klopp must go. A couple of good seasons out of six. On the slide, failed to build, no plan B etc etc.

I know you’re only being flippant, but more generally are Liverpool even having all that bad a season? Only 6 points off top in a very strange season. Having lost their first choice centrebacks for the season as well as Matip being injured and playing their best midfielders in defence. They have definitely dropped off but from the levels of the last 2 seasons that was inevitable. They’re just one of the pack this season but still as good a chance as any at retaining the title IMO.

[Magpie]

I know you’re only being flippant, but more generally are Liverpool even having all that bad a season? Only 6 points off top in a very strange season. Having lost their first choice centrebacks for the season as well as Matip being injured and playing their best midfielders in defence. They have definitely dropped off but from the levels of the last 2 seasons that was inevitable. They’re just one of the pack this season but still as good a chance as any at retaining the title IMO.

After the last two seasons, failing to be at the same level is going to attract criticism. The reality is though they would always drop off that standard eventually. This is the first time since May 2000 that they have failed to score in 4 consecutive league games.

I still think they will be title challengers, City for the win though.

[heretoday]

Liverpool have been hit for six by the loss of VVD. They've not been safe at the back since. They're still up there though. It's just that other teams have improved and it's going to be much closer this time.
Maybe they need a holiday in the middle east.

[Chorley Hibee]

Biggest game in the history of Chorley FC tonight.

Would give anything to be sampling the build-up in the town and the atmosphere at a packed Victory Park tonight.

A huge two fingered salute to Covid!

[jgl07]

Liverpool doing a Celtic this season by the looks of it

Not really. Celtic are on a run of nine titles in a row. Liverpool are on a run of one in a row!

[Andy74]

Biggest game in the history of Chorley FC tonight.

Would give anything to be sampling the build-up in the town and the atmosphere at a packed Victory Park tonight.

A huge two fingered salute to Covid!

Well, without Covid you wouldn’t be in this round!

[Chorley Hibee]

Well, without Covid you wouldn’t be in this round!

You don't know that, and Covid stole that occasion too.

[cabbageandribs1875]

De Bruyne out for up to six weeks, Hamstring, Vardy out for a few weeks to have Hernia Surgery

[Andy74]

You don't know that, and Covid stole that occasion too.

I do know that really, so do you - Covid has had an impact on football games this season particularly that game when Derby had to play a team without a single minute of first team action between them.

It did steal that occasion of course, but it did also create a situation where ordinarily Chorley would not have been in this round to worry about whether there are fans there or not for this one.

[Magpie]

De Bruyne out for up to six weeks, Hamstring, Vardy out for a few weeks to have Hernia Surgery

Can only be good news for the the likes of United and Spurs. I still think City will get results against West Brom, Sheffield Utd and Burnley without KDB though.

[Chorley Hibee]

I do know that really, so do you - Covid has had an impact on football games this season particularly that game when Derby had to play a team without a single minute of first team action between them.

It did steal that occasion of course, but it did also create a situation where ordinarily Chorley would not have been in this round to worry about whether there are fans there or not for this one.

You don't know it, and to say that you do is nonsense.

Of course our chances were minimal, just as they were in the two previous rounds against Wigan and Peterborough (a club not far off Derby's current standing).

The whole romance of the FA Cup is built upon the very shocks you deem impossible.

[Jonnyboy]

Tom James starts at right back for Salford City tonight

[JimBHibees]

You don't know it, and to say that you do is nonsense.

Of course our chances were minimal, just as they were in the two previous rounds against Wigan and Peterborough (a club not far off Derby's current standing).

The whole romance of the FA Cup is built upon the very shocks you deem impossible.

Agree totally.