2022-23 season non-Hibs games thread

[RyeSloan]

Of course he was off side. The usual analysis that goes into these marginal decisions conveniently ignored as there is only one conclusion. C4 are only interested in smiles, flowers and ignore that rules if it interferes with the message :greengrin

Genuinely awful ‘analysis’ there.

Squeezed in between a ton of adverts of course.

[MWHIBBIES]

Beg to differ, it happens all the time - it's clear his foot kicks the back of his other leg as he tries to adjust himself in getting to the ball (after it was well away from the pair of them).

If that's a penalty (assuming we're just ignoring that he's blatantly offside anyway), the game is truly done.

Yes, he kicks himself after the German player hits him.

[PaulSmith]

The useless biased English pundits claiming it was a clear penalty but not a word was said about Kane being clearly offside.

That’s cause there was no offside offence ;)

[eastterrace]

That’s cause there was no offside offence ;)so what your saying he wasn’t standing in a offside position when the ball was kicked. Okay it might have come off a German player but he was in a offside position gaining an advantage , then he goes down like a sack o tatties tripping over his own feet and gets a pen. The games goosed.

[PaulSmith]

so what your saying he wasn’t standing in a offside position when the ball was kicked. Okay it might have come off a German player but he was in a offside position gaining an advantage , then he goes down like a sack o tatties tripping over his own feet and gets a pen. The games goosed.

Nope, I’m saying he was in an offside position but didn’t commit an offside offence by touching the ball.

Therefore if he’s not touched the ball and been fouled then a penalty is correct.

If he touched the ball, or impeded and opponent which prevented them playing the ball, then no penalty.

If he scores then no goal as he’s committed an offence.

[Jim44]

That’s cause there was no offside offence ;)

Only in your opinion.

[PaulSmith]

Only in your opinion.

I’ve explained the laws of the game in the post above. Not sure what else I can do to help.

If you think he committed an offside offence why did two of Europes elite refs give a pen after watching it several times.. the reason being is that they know the rules.

[Onion]

Nope, I’m saying he was in an offside position but didn’t commit an offside offence by touching the ball.

Therefore if he’s not touched the ball and been fouled then a penalty is correct.

If he touched the ball, or impeded and opponent which prevented them playing the ball, then no penalty.

If he scores then no goal as he’s committed an offence.

He's awarded a penalty because he was impeded and prevented from committing the offence of being offside :greengrin This place is a madhouse.

[RyeSloan]

Nope, I’m saying he was in an offside position but didn’t commit an offside offence by touching the ball.

Therefore if he’s not touched the ball and been fouled then a penalty is correct.

If he touched the ball, or impeded and opponent which prevented them playing the ball, then no penalty.

If he scores then no goal as he’s committed an offence.

Good point well made.

Still think it’s soft as considering the next actions but offside it probably wasn’t considering the above.

[Sir David Gray]

What's this competition for? I honestly am losing track?

The Nations League is another avenue for three teams to qualify for Euro 2024 that don't qualify through the normal qualifying campaign - it's the competition that allowed Scotland to qualify for Euro 2020. The winners of Leagues A, B and C (out of the teams that haven't qualified automatically through the conventional route) will qualify for Euro 2024.

If the winners of any of the Nations League groups have already qualified for Euro 2024 their place will go to the next best team that hasn't qualified.

There's play offs taking place in March 2024 which will determine the final three teams to qualify for Euro 2024.

There's also a Nations League Finals which will be played in June 2023, this is contested between the four group winners from League A and will consist of two semi finals, a third place play off and a final.

Winning Leagues B, C and D will result in promotion to the next group up for the next edition of the Nations League and finishing bottom of Leagues A, B and C will result in relegation to the next group down.

Scotland's currently in League B along with Armenia, Ireland and Ukraine.

[RyeSloan]

The Nations League is another avenue for three teams to qualify for Euro 2024 that don't qualify through the normal qualifying campaign - it's the competition that allowed Scotland to qualify for Euro 2020. The winners of Leagues A, B and C (out of the teams that haven't qualified automatically through the conventional route) will qualify for Euro 2024.

If the winners of any of the Nations League groups have already qualified for Euro 2024 their place will go to the next best team that hasn't qualified.

There's play offs taking place in March 2024 which will determine the final three teams to qualify for Euro 2024.

There's also a Nations League Finals which will be played in June 2023, this is contested between the four group winners from League A and will consist of two semi finals, a third place play off and a final.

Winning Leagues B, C and D will result in promotion to the next group up for the next edition of the Nations League and finishing bottom of Leagues A, B and C will result in relegation to the next group down.

Scotland's currently in League B along with Armenia, Ireland and Ukraine.

How does the winner of the leagues get decided when there is 4 groups in each league?

[cameronw-hfc]

Aussie twitter asking who tonight Motm is, peep the comments. Half of me is happy for him, other half is gutted he's gone. What a player.

https://twitter.com/Socceroos/status/1534263900828381185?t=b8YRHxU3GLgBDDVh2d8YVw&s=19

[Sir David Gray]

How does the winner of the leagues get decided when there is 4 groups in each league?

The four winners of each group (or the best team that hasn't already qualified for Euro 2024 through the normal qualifying route) within each league go forward to the play offs. There's then two semis and a final for each league from A-C and the winners of each final is each group's (A-C) representative in Euro 2024.

[Kato]

I’ve explained the laws of the game in the post above. Not sure what else I can do to help.

If you think he committed an offside offence why did two of Europes elite refs give a pen after watching it several times.. the reason being is that they know the rules.You have a good point, Paul.

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[heretoday]

Harry Kane sure takes a good penalty. I don't think I've seen him miss one.

[RyeSloan]

The four winners of each group (or the best team that hasn't already qualified for Euro 2024 through the normal qualifying route) within each league go forward to the play offs. There's then two semis and a final for each league from A-C and the winners of each final is each group's (A-C) representative in Euro 2024.

Ahh sweet thanks….I vaguely remember now re Scotland the last time!

[EGL2000]

Great assist for Boyle last night to set up Jackson Irvine.

[Bristolhibby]

Yes, he kicks himself after the German player hits him.

I also thought it was a Pen. And a FIFA ref and VAR ref also thought so. In Germany so hardly pressured by the crowd.

Mon the Tallies on Saturday, a rerun of the Euro Final. I’ll be less stressed about this one though.

J

[Oscar T Grouch]

Harry Kane sure takes a good penalty. I don't think I've seen him miss one.

Out of the 51 he has taken over his whole career, he has missed 8, 2 for England. His last miss was in the semi final of Euro 2020 against Denmark, but he scored the rebound on that occasion. The only other miss for England was against Turkey in a friendly 2016 but he did also score in that match and England won it 2-1. Pretty safe pair of boots to take pen :agree:

[NAE NOOKIE]

German caught him imo. Not sure whether he was offside but assume he was deemed not interfering initially

Seen the replay of the incident about 5 times and I still can't see how he wasn't offside, he looked it in every replay.

[Numptie]

Pretty clear that he isn't offside. You are only offside when you touch the ball, or impede an opponent - when in an offside position. Kane doesn't touch the ball and is impeded as he goes for it, not the other way round. I still think it wasn't a penalty as he did his usual dive - but he wasn't offside.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pretty clear that he isn't offside. You are only offside when you touch the ball, or impede an opponent - when in an offside position. Kane doesn't touch the ball and is impeded as he goes for it, not the other way round. I still think it wasn't a penalty as he did his usual dive - but he wasn't offside.

This isn't really true and Definitely isnt the reason he wasn't offside. Been confirmed it is because it came off a German who tried to tried to play it.

[Numptie]

I know that the German player played the ball, and you can then argue that it was a positive action to play the ball, which I agree it was. But even if he hadn't played the ball Kane didn't touch the ball - so basically it was doubly not offside. And he still dived - no penalty!!

[flash]

Might not have been offside under the current rules but it certainly should have been.
He is offside all through the passage of play and makes no attempt to change that.
The foul, if it was one, wouldn't have happened had he not been offside.

[Allant1981]

Interesting line up for scotland tonight

[04Sauzee]

Interesting line up for scotland tonight

https://i.ibb.co/wzJkcBC/20220608-182201.jpg (https://ibb.co/4Vsq1KM)

[SteveHFC]

https://i.ibb.co/wzJkcBC/20220608-182201.jpg (https://ibb.co/4Vsq1KM)

McKenna has played 25 times for Scotland. Thought it was less than that.

[Smartie]

Interesting line up for scotland tonight

Far more like what he should have gone with last week imo.

[Allant1981]

Far more like what he should have gone with last week imo.

Yip, get mctominay out of defence and play actual defenders

[J-C]

At least he's playing a proper RB instead of a LB there like last week, didn't work when he tried shoehorning Tierney into the team until he realised Tierney could play in a back 3. TBH I'm not overly fussed about these Nations league games, I'll have it on but with the volume low.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

At least he's playing a proper RB instead of a LB there like last week, didn't work when he tried shoehorning Tierney into the team until he realised Tierney could play in a back 3. TBH I'm not overly fussed about these Nations league games, I'll have it on but with the volume low.

That was Strachan

Good start here. Hoping for a few goals

[SJNB Hibby]

Good goal scotland

[green day]

Good cross Armstrong, good goal Ralston - pointed to where he wanted it.

[J-C]

That was Strachan

Good start here. Hoping for a few goals

Was it, could've sworn it was also Clarke, much better shape when you have the proper players in the right positions. They seem a hard team to break down, haha and as I type we score.😁

[J-C]

One thing I've noticed, we have a lot of lefties in our team, 5 at least I can see, think Gordon is one 2.

[SHODAN]

Really good performance so far.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Big Scott McKenna get in!

I hadn't realised he played quite as much as he did for Forest this season. Heading for the prem

[green day]

2-0 McKenna from Mcginn corner.

Armenia are mince

[SJNB Hibby]

2-0 McKenna from Mcginn corner.

Armenia are mince

How on earth did Ireland lose to them?

[green day]

How on earth did Ireland lose to them?

I was wondering that myself. BBC described it as an embarrassment.

[Sir David Gray]

3-0 McKenna

[green day]

3-0 McKenna

Offside. McKenna knew !

[HH81]

Offside. Still 2-0. VAR strikes.

[Sir David Gray]

Still 2-0 - goal disallowed by VAR.

[Jim44]

Scotland doing well but Armenia are the poorest international side I’ve seen for a long time.

[Sir David Gray]

Half time, 2-0.

[J-C]

Goal or not Scotland have been sharp tonight but don't know how much that's to do with Armenia being poor.

[Gordy M]

Goal or not Scotland have been sharp tonight but don't know how much that's to do with Armenia being poor.

Bbc scotland saying Armenia have a few players playing in the top leagues around Europe but obv not a great team. Beat ROI though.

[J-C]

Bbc scotland saying Armenia have a few players playing in the top leagues around Europe but obv not a great team. Beat ROI though.

Yes but I think Ireland had something like 70% possession, just poor finishing.

[easty]

The wins what is important, and I’m glad to see we’re on top. I’ve been so bored watching it though.

[J-C]

The wins what is important, and I’m glad to see we’re on top. I’ve been so bored watching it though.

Really, 2 good goals, one off the post and one disallowed, add in a great save from a Robertson shot, I've been thoroughly entertained.

[BILLYHIBS]

Armenian player throws a boatil at the Linesman LOL ! !

[NC1875]

Not seen the first half but 4 shots on target and all from defenders. Against Armenia, we could really do with a couple of decent forwards!

[easty]

Really, 2 good goals, one off the post and one disallowed, add in a great save from a Robertson shot, I've been thoroughly entertained.

I turned it off a couple of mins before half time. Didn’t see the disallowed goal. Dunno if I’ll watch the second half.

[HH81]

Armenian player throws a boatil at the Linesman LOL ! !

Hahaha just seen that. Quality.

[SaulGoodman]

I turned it off a couple of mins before half time. Didn’t see the disallowed goal. Dunno if I’ll watch the second half.

I’m not sure what else we could’ve done tbh, Armenia set out to defend with every man behind the ball, we pressed them high up the pitch and scored two good goals.

[HH81]

I turned it off a couple of mins before half time. Didn’t see the disallowed goal. Dunno if I’ll watch the second half.

Quick turn on sky sport main event that will cheer you up.

[easty]

I’m not sure what else we could’ve done tbh, Armenia set out to defend with every man behind the ball, we pressed them high up the pitch and scored two good goals.

The first goal was good. It’s a stretch to call the second a good goal though.

If this was Hibs 2-0 up and completely dominant against a team who had nae intention of doing anything, I’d be loving it. As it is, I’m no finding it exciting to watch. At all.

[WeeRussell]

Not seen the first half but 4 shots on target and all from defenders. Against Armenia, we could really do with a couple of decent forwards!

Take it more of a sign that our defenders are that high up the pitch due to our dominating the match.

But yes… a top class striker would also be nice.

[Sir David Gray]

How the **** did Armenia beat Ireland?

They are brutal.

[SHODAN]

How the **** did Armenia beat Ireland?

They are brutal.

Ireland were brutaler.

[Sir David Gray]

Ireland were brutaler.

Gives me some hope for Saturday, our problem will be against Ukraine.

[Smartie]

Gives me some hope for Saturday, our problem will be against Ukraine.

I thought we made Ukraine look better than they are last week.

If we approach the game properly (not exactly a given) we should have the players to do much better than we did against them before.

[Sir David Gray]

I thought we made Ukraine look better than they are last week.

If we approach the game properly (not exactly a given) we should have the players to do much better than we did against them before.

I think we did as well although they are the best team in our group. Hopefully get a different outcome to last week!

[Sir David Gray]

Wales 1-1 Netherlands - incredible result for them.

Edit - 2-1 Netherlands! 😂

[HibbyAndy]

Gives me some hope for Saturday, our problem will be against Ukraine.

We play Ukraine again ? why ?

International football no really my thing but is their another back door route into the world cup ?

[Willis1875]

We play Ukraine again ? why ?

International football no really my thing but is their another back door route into the world cup ?

This is for the Euros in 2024

[Sir David Gray]

We play Ukraine again ? why ?

International football no really my thing but is their another back door route into the world cup ?

Last week was a play off for the World Cup, that ship has sailed.

This time we'll play them in the Nations League which is a way into Euro 2024.

[easty]

I stuck with it. Second half was more boring than the first.

I don't think we played well tonight. The better team by far, but better than an absolutely terrible side. Our final third play, from midfield to striker, and attempts to play football around about their box has been poor in my opinion. We're capable of far better football.

[HoboHarry]

We play Ukraine again ? why ?

International football no really my thing but is their another back door route into the world cup ?

I asked the same thing. I honestly don't understand what these competitions are for.

[green day]

Still no sure how a country that borders Iran is part of UEFA........

[HibbyAndy]

Last week was a play off for the World Cup, that ship has sailed.

This time we'll play them in the Nations League which is a way into Euro 2024.



And if we lose are their still groups to qualify like it used to be 30 years ago !

[Sir David Gray]

And if we lose are their still groups to qualify like it used to be 30 years ago !

Yes there's a "normal" qualifying group for Euro 2024.

The draw's in October.

[HFC93]

Still no sure how a country that borders Iran is part of UEFA........

A few European countries share a border with Asian given it's right next to Europe. Maps and all that.

[JimboHibs]

Still no sure how a country that borders Iran is part of UEFA........

Turkey also shares a border with Iran.

[Sir David Gray]

Scotland top of group B1 having played a game less than Armenia and Ireland. 🥳🥳

Ireland on Saturday could be crucial for our chances of qualifying for Euro 2024 as you would expect Ukraine to beat Armenia.

[green day]

Turkey also shares a border with Iran.

I'm well aware of where turkey is. West of Instanbul is Europe, East is Asia.

Turkey straddles both.

But Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc?

It's ludicrous that these countries are included.

[SteveHFC]

Scotland top of group B1 having played a game less than Armenia and Ireland. 🥳🥳

Ireland on Saturday could be crucial for our chances of qualifying for Euro 2024 as you would expect Ukraine to beat Armenia.

Yep need to win on Saturday. Huge game.

Ralston keeps his place for Saturday. Man of the Match.

[hibsbollah]

I'm well aware of where turkey is. East of Instanbul is Europe, west is Asia.

Turkey straddles both.

But Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc?

It's ludicrous that these countries are included.

Israel. Also in Asia.

[Sir David Gray]

Yep need to win on Saturday. Huge game.

Ralston keeps his place for Saturday. Man of the Match.

We've not won in Ireland for over 20 years, hopefully that changes at the weekend.

[overdrive]

I'm well aware of where turkey is. East of Instanbul is Europe, west is Asia.
.

The other way about :wink:

[SteveHFC]

We've not won in Ireland for over 20 years, hopefully that changes at the weekend.

And Ireland haven’t won a game in a while too. 😅

[green day]

The other way about :wink:

Doh, altered 🤪

[Sir David Gray]

And Ireland haven’t won a game in a while too. 😅

They've not beaten a team ranked higher than them in a competitive fixture for nearly five years!

What could possibly go wrong!?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

How on earth did Ireland lose to them?

I watched it, they were abysmal.

[JimBHibees]

I’m not sure what else we could’ve done tbh, Armenia set out to defend with every man behind the ball, we pressed them high up the pitch and scored two good goals.

Agree thought we were good and should have scored a couple more a decent win and performance.

[JimBHibees]

We've not won in Ireland for over 20 years, hopefully that changes at the weekend.

How many times have we played them in that period 2 or so. Think need to win in Ireland to do well in this group. Away to Armenia won't be easy given it will be played in extreme heat.

9 points after 3 games would be excellent.

[Sir David Gray]

How many times have we played them in that period 2 or so. Think need to win in Ireland to do well in this group. Away to Armenia won't be easy given it will be played in extreme heat.

9 points after 3 games would be excellent.

We've played 3 times in Ireland since then - two defeats and a draw.

The heat in Armenia shouldn't be too bad, the game kicks off at 8pm local time and it's currently forecast to be 22°C in Yerevan at that time which hopefully shouldn't cause too many issues.

[heretoday]

I'm well aware of where turkey is. West of Instanbul is Europe, East is Asia.

Turkey straddles both.

But Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc?

It's ludicrous that these countries are included.
Of course it is. Football is a funny old game.
Didn't Australia get to compete in the Eurovision Song Contest one year? That was the slippery slope.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I'm well aware of where turkey is. West of Instanbul is Europe, East is Asia.

Turkey straddles both.

But Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc?

It's ludicrous that these countries are included.

couple of years back the Copa America tournament included Qatar and Japan!

[Sergio sledge]

I'm well aware of where turkey is. West of Instanbul is Europe, East is Asia.

Turkey straddles both.

But Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc?

It's ludicrous that these countries are included.

Former Soviet Union states though, when the Soviet Union split up, the former states to the west of the Caspian Sea joined UEFA and the states to the east joined the AFC. Kazakhstan subsequently joined UEFA.

The border between Europe and Asia is an imaginary line drawn using social and historical conventions, but considering Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey/Turkiye and Kazakhstan technically straddle the two continents then I don't see why they can't be part of UEFA.

Armenia is fully in Asia, but at a guess I would imagine they see themselves as more culturally connected to Europe rather than Asia given their history as a Soviet Republic.

Interestingly some people class Cyprus as being in Asia and not Europe although I don't think many people have an issue with them being in UEFA.

Israel play in UEFA because a lot of the west Asian countries would refuse to play them, so it's probably more about keeping peace than anything else.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Latest

Portugal 2 Czech Republic 0
Kosovo 2 Norn Ireland 0
Switzerland 0 Spain 1
Greece 2 Cyprus 0

[Mcbizz1998]

Latest

Portugal 2 Czech Republic 0
Kosovo 2 Norn Ireland 0
Switzerland 0 Spain 1
Greece 2 Cyprus 0

Wow. Republic pumped by Armenia the other night and NI losing to Kosovo.

What’s up with Irish football these days?

[Sir David Gray]

Wow. Republic pumped by Armenia the other night and NI losing to Kosovo.

What’s up with Irish football these days?

That will be Northern Ireland's 13th match in the Nations League and they've yet to win a game.

Their opponents;

Austria × 4
Bosnia × 2
Norway × 2
Romania × 2
Greece × 1
Cyprus × 1
Kosovo × 1

[Mcbizz1998]

That will be Northern Ireland's 13th match in the Nations League and they've yet to win a game.

Their opponents;

Austria × 4
Bosnia × 2
Norway × 2
Romania × 2
Greece × 1
Cyprus × 1
Kosovo × 1

Good stay [emoji106]

And I thought it was bad being a Scotland fan!

[Paul1642]

That will be Northern Ireland's 13th match in the Nations League and they've yet to win a game.

Their opponents;

Austria × 4
Bosnia × 2
Norway × 2
Romania × 2
Greece × 1
Cyprus × 1
Kosovo × 1

A solid strategy. Intentionality get relegated to group D for an easy route into Euro 2028.

[Sir David Gray]

A solid strategy. Intentionality get relegated to group D for an easy route into Euro 2028.

Group D doesn't get a place in Euro 2024 (unless all teams in Group C qualify through their qualifying group) so I'm assuming Euro 2028 will be the same.

[greenflyer]

https://www.socceroos.com.au/video/australia-v-united-arab-emirates-highlights-fifa-world-cup-qualifiers

[JimBHibees]

Wow. Republic pumped by Armenia the other night and NI losing to Kosovo.

What’s up with Irish football these days?

Kosovo are half decent personally expected them to beat Northern Ireland especially at home. A lot of the older better players have retired recently

[Sylar]

Our U21s are truly awful. A better opposition would be 4 or 5 up by now. Headless chickens and zero threat!

[Sylar]

And of course we now lead at HT from a worldie of a free kick:greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

And of course we now lead at HT from a worldie of a free kick:greengrin

What a fantastic strike! Outstanding.

Scotland keeper still MOTM though.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If that had been Messi, blah, blah. Brilliant effort.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

and of course we now lead at ht from a worldie of a free kick:greengrin

1 1 ft

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Austria 1 France 0

[cabbageandribs1875]

61 mins Ukraine 1 Armenia 0

[SteveHFC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU-ovGhWUAE4N5a?format=jpg&name=medium

McTominay in midfield and Ralston starts. :hyper.

[cabbageandribs1875]

77 mins 2-0 Ukraine

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU-ovGhWUAE4N5a?format=jpg&name=medium

McTominay in midfield and Ralston starts. :hyper.


surprised Souttar isn't starting

[Allant1981]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU-ovGhWUAE4N5a?format=jpg&name=medium

McTominay in midfield and Ralston starts. :hyper.

Decent line up, apart from tierney playing i dont think it could be much stronger just now

[cabbageandribs1875]

think this is Richard Gordons last day on sportsound, 30 years he's been doing it





anyway

84 mins 3-0 Ukraine poor defending again

[hibbyfraelibby]

I'm well aware of where turkey is. West of Instanbul is Europe, East is Asia.

Turkey straddles both.

But Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc?

It's ludicrous that these countries are included.

Remind me of where the Ural Mountains are [ the boundary between Europe and Asia] and then explain how an Asian country bordering Africa, surrounded by other Asian countries, gets to be in UEFA but they don't?

Nothing to do with logic and everything to do with geo-political expediency

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Remind me of where the Ural Mountains are [ the boundary between Europe and Asia] and then explain how an Asian country bordering Africa, surrounded by other Asian countries, gets to be in UEFA but they don't?

Nothing to do with logic and everything to do with geo-political expediency

I would argue that Georgia is entirely within Europe. Its an extension of southern Russia which is completely in Europe and west of the Urals.
Georgia sits almost completely within the Caucuses mountain ranges which are European and a natural boundary with Asia.
Beyond the Caucuses lie Turkey and Persia which is where Asia begins when travelling south (from Russia) Georgia is home to one of the worlds oldest civilisations and cultures. They are a cradle of Christianity and modern Georgians are far more connected and integrated within Europe.

In Russia if you went to the far east of the country and for example the cities of Khabarovsk or Vladivostok where 99% of the population are Slavic or of other European stock they would say that where they are is definitely Europe. These areas are closer to America or even Australia than Moscow!
But if you went to say European cities like Kazan or Ufa, thousands of miles west of the Russian far east, many people would say that they reside in Asia. Kazan and Ufa sit in Muslim majority republics and have lots of cultural links
to Iran/Iraq for example.
What I'm getting at is it's very difficult to define a continent.

[Billy Whizz]

think this is Richard Gordons last day on sportsound, 30 years he's been doing it





anyway

84 mins 3-0 Ukraine poor defending again

It’s only his last day on Saturdays, think he’s still going to be doing some midweek shows, unless Cove are playing
He gets a hard time on here, but I think he’s harmless

[Bishop Hibee]

In the Aviva. Home end. Lots of other Scots in the home end too. Nice to be able to have a civilised pint in the concourse if you so wish. Atmosphere building up nicely. C’mon Scotland!

[cabbageandribs1875]

It’s only his last day on Saturdays, think he’s still going to be doing some midweek shows, unless Cove are playing
He gets a hard time on here, but I think he’s harmless


yep he's ok for me, listening to him for three decades is a long time he's almost part of the furniture :)

[cabbageandribs1875]

officially 2,500 tickets for Scotland fans in the sell-out crowd

[green day]

Remind me of where the Ural Mountains are [ the boundary between Europe and Asia] and then explain how an Asian country bordering Africa, surrounded by other Asian countries, gets to be in UEFA but they don't?

No

[SteveHFC]

That Ireland team is brutal. We really should be winning this.

[Just_Jimmy]

Was going to watch Scotland but remembered its only on premier sports.

That'll be that then. I'll check the score after the game and get on with my life.

***** decision to move to that crappy channel.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

first four minutes all ireland

[The dalmeny]

Was going to watch Scotland but remembered its only on premier sports.

That'll be that then. I'll check the score after the game and get on with my life.

***** decision to move to that crappy channel.

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By UEFA I believe

[Sir David Gray]

Was going to watch Scotland but remembered its only on premier sports.

That'll be that then. I'll check the score after the game and get on with my life.

***** decision to move to that crappy channel.

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It will get even worse from 2024 when all games move onto Viaplay.

[green day]

We look the better team now

[cabbageandribs1875]

big let off for shane duffy there


weak effort from sjm though

[Billy Whizz]

Who’s the Co-commentator

[SteveHFC]

Who’s the Co-commentator

Gary Breen.

[cabbageandribs1875]

goal ireland no real surprise tbf


two wins in there last 12 home games and both friendlies


up steps scotland

[green day]

Quality defending.....

[SteveHFC]

**** off. Pathetic.

[Mon Dieu4]

Comedy defending

[Billy Whizz]

Quality defending.....

Gordon in no man’s land

[cabbageandribs1875]

i doubt very much we'll score two here

[flash]

Get Clarke out of there.

No motivational skills whatsoever.

[cameronw-hfc]

Where's the "Craig Gordons world class" people? One of the funniest things I've ever read on here.

Also, this is a hilariously bad Irish team, how do we make them look competent

[mayo hibee]

Yeah that Craig Gordon is world class alright...

Honestly lads, this is the worst Irish team I've ever seen, we're there for the taking but you can't be gifting us goals like that.

[OldEast]

Where's the "Craig Gordons world class" people? One of the funniest things I've ever read on here.

Also, this is a hilariously bad Irish team, how do we make them look competent

Because Scotland aren't very good.

[berwickhibee]

So many passengers so far, don't look interested.

[Stuart93]

What’s Gordon doing there? Running about his goal line like a fud

[hhibs]

Where's the "Craig Gordons world class" people? One of the funniest things I've ever read on here.

Also, this is a hilariously bad Irish team, how do we make them look competent


Just shocking defending.

Here we go again,looking off.

[Paul1642]

Get Clarke out of there.

No motivational skills whatsoever.

What a knee jerk post. Who do you plan to replace our most successful manager of the 21st century with? Maybe Strachan is looking for work.

Let’s at least wait to full time 😂

[SlickShoes]

Christie is a waste of space, everyone looks like they are on holiday, embarrassing performance so far

[green day]

The way we piss about passing around at the back reminds me of when Hibs were so bad last season.

There's something just not right about the way this team is set up.

SJM miss again !

[cabbageandribs1875]

2-0 easy peasy

[weecounty hibby]

McGinn has had two really good chances so far.

[Stuart93]

Mcginn should’ve scored

[HH81]

Shocking so far 2-0

[flash]

What a knee jerk post. Who do you plan to replace our most successful manager of the 21st century with? Maybe Strachan is looking for work.

Let’s at least wait to full time 😂

Knee jerk my erse. We were brutal against Ukraine and in the Euros as well.

Edit: Two nil.

[weecounty hibby]

**** me we are garbage. I would get rid of Clarke. No knee jerk reaction as I've said for ages he is crap

[Stuart93]

Hahaha defence standing like statues. McKenna Hendry Hanley are nowhere near good enough

[SteveHFC]

Get to **** Scotland.

Embarrassing pathetic *****.

[cabbageandribs1875]

we're exactly what the republic needed to get back on track

[Mon Dieu4]

*****bags

[heretoday]

Fine goal to be sure.

[SlickShoes]

Who’s the defender with the runner that just stops to watch him score? Get him off the park immediately

[SteveHFC]

Knee jerk my erse. We were brutal against Ukraine and in the Euros as well.

Edit: Two nil.

Agreed, get him out.

[cameronw-hfc]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 wow

[Wull]

**** me we are garbage. I would get rid of Clarke. No knee jerk reaction as I've said for ages he is crap

I'll second that

[Sir David Gray]

Absolute disgrace.

This looks like being Ireland's first competitive victory against a higher ranked team for nearly 5 years!

[Stuart93]

A better manager gets more out of this team

[OldEast]

I remember when ***** Scotland displays used to wind me up. So much better when you throw away the expectation.

[Lago]

I would argue that Georgia is entirely within Europe. Its an extension of southern Russia which is completely in Europe and west of the Urals.
Georgia sits almost completely within the Caucuses mountain ranges which are European and a natural boundary with Asia.
Beyond the Caucuses lie Turkey and Persia which is where Asia begins when travelling south (from Russia) Georgia is home to one of the worlds oldest civilisations and cultures. They are a cradle of Christianity and modern Georgians are far more connected and integrated within Europe.

In Russia if you went to the far east of the country and for example the cities of Khabarovsk or Vladivostok where 99% of the population are Slavic or of other European stock they would say that where they are is definitely Europe. These areas are closer to America or even Australia than Moscow!
But if you went to say European cities like Kazan or Ufa, thousands of miles west of the Russian far east, many people would say that they reside in Asia. Kazan and Ufa sit in Muslim majority republics and have lots of cultural links
to Iran/Iraq for example.
What I'm getting at is it's very difficult to define a continent.
A quality piece if I may say so. 👌

[hhibs]

The way we piss about passing around at the back reminds me of when Hibs were so bad last season.

There's something just not right about the way this team is set up.

SJM miss again !


Yep ,that is exactly what I was thinking too.

[Onion]

You cannot miss chances like McGinn's at international level and defend like that. We have zero / zilch up front.

[Mon Dieu4]

No one will ever convince me any of the CB in that squad are better than Porto

[Stuart93]

Just came up against a side that want to work hard whilst we look half arsed

[cabbageandribs1875]

shane duffy looking like sergio ramos against our girls

[Bridge hibs]

Jack Hendry, bambi on ****ing ice, get that jambo prick Souter on

[cabbageandribs1875]

nearly a 3rd

[LaMotta]

Knee jerk my erse. We were brutal against Ukraine and in the Euros as well.

Edit: Two nil.

Starting to think that way about Clarke too. Euros qualification via 2 draws and penalty wins. Draw at Wembley decent. Wins against decimated Denmark and Czech teams. Other than that? Not really good enough.

Also - we are **** at Hampden and have been since the ground was redeveloped in the late 90s ( barring a short spell under McLeish) A better more encosed stadium would help us I think.

[Jim44]

Knee jerk my erse. We were brutal against Ukraine and in the Euros as well.

Edit: Two nil.


:agree: We are duff. I suppose with the high esteem that folk hold Clarke in, we are doing as well as we can expect to. :rolleyes: By that token, a change of manager could take us to the depths of pure crud.

[weecounty hibby]

Gordon is having a mare!

[cabbageandribs1875]

we're absolutely awful here

just awful

[flash]

Time for Gordon to join Marshall in retirement.

[cameronw-hfc]

This is comically bad so far.

[heretoday]

Defence is awful.

[SteveHFC]

Hendry needs subbed.

[Paul1642]

Time for Gordon to join Marshall in retirement.

Knee jerking agin

[flash]

Knee jerking agin

Sure Paul.

[cabbageandribs1875]

wtf Robertson fgs man

[weecounty hibby]

Watching Hendry, McKenna and Hanley in this game just makes you realise how much of a bargain some team wil get when they buy Porto. He should walk into that team in Dublin

[Borderhibbie76]

Time for Gordon to join Marshall in retirement.

Promising signs age is finally catching up with the Jambo ####, been decidedly dodgy tonight and against Ukraine

[HibeeHendo]

Why is Robertson so ***** for Scotland

[Stuart93]

Been zero quality from Scotland. Kind of games mcginn mctominay and McGregor should be bossing but they’ve been woeful

[Borderhibbie76]

The Truth is Clarke got lucky with 2 pen shoot out wins otherwise his record really isn't that great, been dismantled twice in a week by Ukraine and now a poor Irish team

[chrisski33]

Sorry no surprise we are losing. Getting to the last Euros was a fluke. Scotland as a football team just not good enough. I doubt we would qualify even if we had Pep or kopp as manager

[mayo hibee]

Time for Gordon to join Marshall in retirement.

There's absolutely no decent keepers coming through. That's why he's still there.

[CMac1988]

Pass it to the back spread it left and right, hit Hendry and watch him punt it to no ****. Dreadful football.

[cameronw-hfc]

6ft 4 Scott Mctominay taking corners. Couldn't make it up😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

freakin dreadful attempt at a corner by McTominay now

[SteveHFC]

Robertson should be dropped for the next few games.

[SlickShoes]

This is like watching hibs

[Wull]

There's a good excuse to get Christie te f he's on a yellow

[007]

That should have been a booking.

[cabbageandribs1875]

'Kin Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[cameronw-hfc]

Sorry no surprise we are losing. Getting to the last Euros was a fluke. Scotland as a football team just not good enough. I doubt we would qualify even if we had Pep or kopp as manager


Disagree. The reason this is so annoying is because for the first time in year's we have a team of decent footballers. Playing like this makes it more frustrating because we should be comfortably winning this going by their form/team. It's one of the worst ROI squads in decades and we're making them look like one of the best.

[LaMotta]

Has there been a more overrated player in Scottish footballing history than Callum McGregor? An absolute nothing player most weeks.

[Smartie]

How many subs can we make?

It seems somewhat fitting that this absolutely gash season of watching football should finish like this.

[Pretty Boy]

This whole system depends on Tierney being fit. Without him it just doesn't work.

Clarke just seems like another one of those managers that is so set on what he wants to do that any pragmatism goes out the window.

[Haymaker]

And Porto can't even make the squad:faf:

[Smartie]

Has there been a more overrated player in Scottish footballing history than Callum McGregor? An absolute nothing player most weeks.

I think he's class.

Part of the problem here, that can't be denied but he's not the biggest problem.

[Sylar]

Robertson should be dropped for the next few games.

Id drop the entire team, remove the inept coaches and let the U16s play. At least they might have some passion and desire to represent their country rather than this shower of passengers that clearly view it as a chore.

Callum McGregor should never play for Scotland again: he’s utterly incapable of passing anywhere other than sideways or backward.

[Allant1981]

Get hendry off and go with a back 4 and bring on another forward, adams is getting no service at all

[hhibs]

Christie,Hendry. and for that matter any of the rest off.

Clarke was clueless about the changes needed against Ukraine ,if more of the same ,he needs to go.

[Pretty Boy]

Watching Hendry, McKenna and Hanley in this game just makes you realise how much of a bargain some team wil get when they buy Porto. He should walk into that team in Dublin

Souttar should be in the team if he's fit as well.

He may he a Jambo hun hybrid but he's better than what is on show tonight by a distance.

[Hiber-nation]

This has been coming. All this "we're in a good place" crap does my head in. We've been awful in the games that really mattered - Croatia and Czechs in the Euros, Ukraine the other night and now this shambles. Ireland are even setting us up for clear cut chances but McGinn like most of them is a mile off it.

[HoboHarry]

I've seen my share of crap Scotland performances and this one is right up there with them.

[CMac1988]

6ft 4 Scott Mctominay taking corners. Couldn't make it up😂

Also marking Obafemi at corners. Mental stuff. Surely someone takes charge and puts him on Duffy if Hendry isn't going to get hooked?

Devoid of leadership when it isn't going our way.

[Jonnyboy]

Adams trying to live on passes to his chest and above. I’d take him off and put Ross Stewart in to give the Irish defenders something to do

[Smartie]

I've seen my share of crap Scotland performances and this one is right up there with them.

I can't think of many 45 minutes' as inept in so many ways as that.

Needed changed after at most half an hour.

Again.

[Leith Green]

This is like watching Hibs last season 🥹

[SteveHFC]

Id drop the entire team, remove the inept coaches and let the U16s play. At least they might have some passion and desire to represent their country rather than this shower of passengers that clearly view it as a chore.

Callum McGregor should never play for Scotland again: he’s utterly incapable of passing anywhere other than sideways or backward.

Can we just sub the 11 players at half time.

[Jim44]

Looking closer at the first goal, Gordon was laughably bad. Keystone cops goalkeeping.

[Leith Green]

In all seriousness, how the hell has clarke let that go on for 45 minutes without changing it ..

[Hiber-nation]

Again it shows how important Kieran Tierney is. He was like a one man team in some of these qualifiers, driving us forward.

[A Hi-Bee]

Have to admit this is the first time that I have watched Scotland for some time, we are a poor side playing a side that I also watched get cuffed by the Ukraine reserve side last Wed.
Scotland are going nowhere, it don't take no expert to see that.

[ronaldo7]

It's embarrassing, sitting amongst loads of Scotland fans in the home end. They've put the tools away.

[Bishop Hibee]

Really poor first half against mediocre opposition. McGinn should have buried the second chance. Defending against Duffy from set pieces has been brutal. What did they practice at training? Get Christie off who’s done nothing.

[Bridge hibs]

Only plus has been Ralston, I like him as a player

[itslegaltender]

The love in with Gordon hides the fact he is a ******g vampire scared of a cross.

As for Clarke, found wanting again. Czech, Croatia, Ukraine and now this. We beat a second eleven Denmark Ho had already qualified and and Israel team in the last minute.

[Sir David Gray]

Ireland's competitive results since their last win v a higher ranked side in a competitive match;

Denmark 0-0 Ireland
Ireland 1-5 Denmark
Wales 4-1 Ireland
Ireland 0-0 Denmark
Ireland 0-1 Wales
Denmark 0-0 Ireland
Gibraltar 0-1 Ireland
Ireland 1-0 Georgia
Denmark 1-1 Ireland
Ireland 2-0 Gibraltar
Ireland 1-1 Switzerland
Georgia 0-0 Ireland
Switzerland 2-0 Ireland
Ireland 1-1 Denmark
Bulgaria 1-1 Denmark
Ireland 0-1 Finland
Slovakia 0-0 Ireland (Slovakia won 4-2 on pens)
Ireland 0-0 Wales
Finland 1-0 Ireland
Wales 1-0 Ireland
Ireland 0-0 Bulgaria
Serbia 3-2 Ireland
Ireland 0-1 Luxembourg
Portugal 2-1 Ireland
Ireland 1-1 Azerbaijan
Ireland 1-1 Serbia
Azerbaijan 0-3 Ireland
Ireland 0-0 Portugal
Luxembourg 0-3 Ireland
Armenia 1-0 Ireland
Ireland 0-1 Ukraine

5 wins in their last 31 competitive fixtures.

[SteveHFC]

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[Smartie]

Only plus has been Ralston, I like him as a player

I'd agree with that.

Very good game and a half for him so far.

You've got to respect his appetite to make an impression ever since he got a wee sniff at Celtic last summer.

[chrisski33]

Disagree. The reason this is so annoying is because for the first time in year's we have a team of decent footballers. Playing like this makes it more frustrating because we should be comfortably winning this going by their form/team. It's one of the worst ROI squads in decades and we're making them look like one of the best.

Being a team of, as you say, "descent" players wont get us anywhere. The fact they play with better players at club level doesnt help.

[weecounty hibby]

Gilmorton on and McTominay back into defence. Clarke is now just making ut up as he goes along. We improved v Ukraine when he did the exact opposite if that and pushed McTominay into midfield and took Gilmore off He needs to go

[SteveHFC]

McTominay at the back again.

😂

[James70]

I've rarely watched a Scotland match in a long time as I am not prepared to pay for something that England supporters can see for free on terrestrial tv. I don't think I am missing anything.

I have just finished watching the Alex Ferguson biopic, woudn't like to think what he must think about our current incumbents from the top down.

[Since452]

Is this nations league thing a back door in to the world cup?

[Wull]

There's a good excuse to get Christie te f he's on a yellow

[GlesgaeHibby]

Wtf is Clarke's obsession with playing Mctominay at centre back

[SteveHFC]

Wtf is Clarke's obsession with playing Mctominay at centre back

Think LJ should play Joe Newell at CB.

[cameronw-hfc]

Wtf is Clarke's obsession with playing Mctominay at centre back

It's only a good option when we're playing a team we will dominate the ball against. Otherwise he's too often found wanting there. Might work if we pick it up in the second half and have a bit on an onslaught.

[cabbageandribs1875]

3-0 so embarrassing

[SteveHFC]

Clarke you can get to ****.

[HoboHarry]

Lol....

[CMac1988]

Good bye Clarke.

[weecounty hibby]

Gordon has been absolutely *****. That is straight through him. Just like the 1st hun goal in the cup final. Struck well but he didn't have to move

[Betty Boop]

Ha ha embarrassment

[hhibs]

Well those changes or lack of them from Clarke ,think we are ******.


Yep we sure are

[cabbageandribs1875]

Gilmore was p@sh there as well

[cameronw-hfc]

Good strike but that's not even close to the corner. If the France keeper got pelterd for Faddys goal vs them, Gordon should be saving that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Clarke you can get to ****.

He’s taken Scotland as far as he can imo.

Euro 2020 will be the peak. Back to years of not qualifying.

[Leith Green]

Looking like a team of ballet dancers on ice

[flash]

Looks like I was right about Clarke and Gordon after all.

[LaMotta]

I think he's class.

Part of the problem here, that can't be denied but he's not the biggest problem.

Fair do's mate but I just dont see it with him. 2 goals in nearly 40 caps, one of which was a fluke. Hardly any assists, rarely creates anything, rarely puts in a good tackle. Industrious at shuffling the ball the sideways is the best compliment I could give him.

[Hibs90]

Clarke out. Wrong team, wrong tactics. Clueless idiot

[SlickShoes]

Gordon has to save that it’s straight down the middle, stick a hand straight up instead of trying to swat it away

[JimBHibees]

Absolutely pathetic by Clarke and the players. No energy and bizarrely goes back to the Ukraine middle with mctominay centre back. Utterly woeful lack of commitment give Stewart and Brown a shot up front

[flash]

How could the manager not think the formation wasn't working in the first half?

[cabbageandribs1875]

the games finished clarke give other players a chance instead of giving them 3 poxy mins near the end