Summer 2022-23 transfer thread

[SlickShoes]

Come on eh, he followed shankland out to the halfway line, got turned easy and then failed to track the runner (despite rocky having pace and strength) - Shankland then overpowers kenneh /handballs into the net 0-1

Bushiri lacks technical ability on the ball, and his positioning has already costs us a few goals since he’s arrived

We need much better as a starting centre half, PH is of course much better but could do with another in imo, hope we are still in with a shout for the Uruguayan

Wasn’t meaning to jump on your post in particular

You could criticise almost everyone involved in that move for not doing slightly better than they did, Rocky, Porteous, Kenneh, Marshall, Cabraja. You could also admit that the pass from Mckay was 10/10 and Shankland did really well and scored, we'd be raving about it if someone in our team made that pass.

Every player is going to make mistakes because they are human, it only becomes an issue when its the exact same mistake over and over.

[King Cosell]

We're so overcritical of our own players that a 1 goal in 33 Livi striker becomes a no brainer.

His brother, Frank Nouble, would be a better bet.

[Smartie]

In fairness though, Nouble has had 2 very good games up front on his own in the past week, against decent teams in Rangers and Dundee United.

Given that appears to be Johnson’s favoured system, how many good games have we seen Nisbet and Doidge have between them in that system since they joined the club?

[Wilson]

I know he’s looked a handful in a few games, but he’s no much of a striker at all, and he’s scored 1 in his last 33 games.

I hadn't noticed him much before now but he's certainly been a handful so far this season. Obvious attributes at 6 foot 4. 26 year old and a worrying goal return but he wouldn't be the first late bloomer. Worth keeping an eye on I think.

[147lothian]

We're so overcritical of our own players that a 1 goal in 33 Livi striker becomes a no brainer.
:top marks Nailed it!

[brog]

I'm maybe wrong but would we be better with a target man in the middle of the front 3? Someone in the mold as the boy from livi. Boyle, McGeady, Tavares, Melkerson and Yohan options out wide? I know we have Doidge and Nisbett I know but just thinking a link up player with strength and a decent header would be good

I've posted similar a few times now but I would want better than Nouble. He's fine with the Livi system, able to hold the ball up for 10 minutes, but not got the touch to immediately bring others into play. What's big Holty doing? :greengrin

[Stuart93]

Youan through the middle, boyle on one side and tavares on the other is the attack I’d go with

[RossScott1991]

Left sided centre back and a ball carrier in CM would probaly see one of our best transfer windows in recent times. Fingers crossed

[Unseen work]

Youan through the middle, boyle on one side and tavares on the other is the attack I’d go with

Jair to the left of me, Boyle to the right….here I am stuck in the middle with You….An

[Hibbyradge]

Hard to look at it that way, pretty much received a loan fee for Boyle, think he was out longer through injury than he was away in Saudi Arabia😂, delighted he's back!

It wasn't a loan.

We sold him then bought him back.

It doesn't matter if he was away for 6 months or 6 years.

[BlackSheep]

It wasn't a loan.

We sold him then bought him back.

It doesn't matter if he was away for 6 months or 6 years.

I think he knows that, he said 'pretty much'.... its a nice way of looking at the whole debacle.

[badabing67]

Jair to the left of me, Boyle to the right….here I am stuck in the middle with You….An

Nearly brilliant 👍

[bigwheel]

Jair to the left of me, Boyle to the right….here I am stuck in the middle with You….An

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[CapitalGreen]

18 year old Slovakian youth international striker Adam Griger joining, presumably for the development team.

6ft 4 and joining from LASK in the Austrian Bundesliga.

[BlackSheep]

18 year old Slovakian youth international striker Adam Griger joining, presumably for the development team.

Could that be the mystery man who was being shown round at the Derby....?

[CapitalGreen]

Could that be the mystery man who was being shown round at the Derby....?

He’s certainly not the person who was pictured.

[CMac1988]

Jair to the left of me, Boyle to the right….here I am stuck in the middle with You….An

That's a goer!

Sing it You-an (like Ewan) and it works. :thumbsup:

[04Sauzee]

He’s certainly not the person who was pictured.

What did I miss? Someone being shown around ER on derby day.
Where is this other guy being reported.

[Callum_62]

18 year old Slovakian youth international striker Adam Griger joining, presumably for the development team.

6ft 4 and joining from LASK in the Austrian Bundesliga.

Mon the 6 footers

[xqnq1875]

Left sided centre back and a ball carrier in CM would probaly see one of our best transfer windows in recent times. Fingers crossed

Spot on, I think we’ll only manage to get the cb in but I’d still be happy with that regardless if we don’t get the cm it’s already the best transfer window we’ve had in a very long time


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[Stuart93]

Jair to the left of me, Boyle to the right….here I am stuck in the middle with You….An

That’s very good 👏🏼

[Coco Bryce]

Jair to the left of me, Boyle to the right….here I am stuck in the middle with You….An

:thumbsup:

[Unseen work]

Kyle McLellend follows Griger on Instagram so I imagine there’s truth in that rumour and he has signed

[BlackSheep]

What did I miss? Someone being shown around ER on derby day.
Where is this other guy being reported.

There some speculation a player was being shown round by a player liaison at the weekend... picture is on the Private board... could be way off base.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Spot on, I think we’ll only manage to get the cb in but I’d still be happy with that regardless if we don’t get the cm it’s already the best transfer window we’ve had in a very long time


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Too early to tell about the success or not of this window. Would need to give the team till October to see if we have gelled and progressed as a team or not. IMO

[Torto7]

Adam Griger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZTasYcTI7I

[Paulie Walnuts]

Too early to tell about the success or not of this window. Would need to give the team till October to see if we have gelled and progressed as a team or not. IMO

Absolutely. On paper some of our signings look really good but the proof will be in the pudding really.

It’s certainly a step up from the previous two windows though on paper.

[SHODAN]

Griger managed a full season in the Austrian second division last year so may well be a first team (backup initially) signing.

[The Modfather]

Adam Griger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZTasYcTI7I

I’m sure he’s talented but that must be the worst highlights reel I’ve seen.

[Torto7]

I’m sure he’s talented but that must be the worst highlights reel I’ve seen.

:agree:

[Souter96Mac]

I’m sure he’s talented but that must be the worst highlights reel I’ve seen.

Yeah not the best, but to be fair to the lad, he was only 17 years old, could even maybe be 16 in some of these clips.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Might there be a way round that. Think we’d have been aware of ownership rights initially. Maybe we could buy 30-40% of him and that say his agency own 30% whilst his current club retain 30%, if he does well and eventually is worth 3m everybody is a winner

"Owning" part of someone is just code for modern slavery and its both immoral and illegal."

"(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)the person holds another person in slavery or servitude and the circumstances are such that the person knows or ought to know that the other person is held in slavery or servitude, or
(b)the person requires another person to perform forced or compulsory labour and the circumstances are such that the person knows or ought to know that the other person is being required to perform forced or compulsory labour.
(2)In subsection (1) the references to holding a person in slavery or servitude or requiring a person to perform forced or compulsory labour are to be construed in accordance with Article 4 of the Human Rights Convention.
(3)In determining whether a person is being held in slavery or servitude or required to perform forced or compulsory labour, regard may be had to all the circumstances.
(4)For example, regard may be had—
(a)to any of the person’s personal circumstances (such as the person being a child, the person’s family relationships, and any mental or physical illness) which may make the person more vulnerable than other persons;
(b)to any work or services provided by the person, including work or services provided in circumstances which constitute exploitation within section 3(3) to (6).
(5)The consent of a person (whether an adult or a child) to any of the acts alleged to constitute holding the person in slavery or servitude, or requiring the person to perform forced or compulsory labour, does not preclude a determination that the person is being held in slavery or servitude, or required to perform forced or compulsory labour.

[eastmainsmsh]

200 k for grigor

[chippy]

"Owning" part of someone is just code for modern slavery and its both immoral and illegal."

"(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)the person holds another person in slavery or servitude and the circumstances are such that the person knows or ought to know that the other person is held in slavery or servitude, or
(b)the person requires another person to perform forced or compulsory labour and the circumstances are such that the person knows or ought to know that the other person is being required to perform forced or compulsory labour.
(2)In subsection (1) the references to holding a person in slavery or servitude or requiring a person to perform forced or compulsory labour are to be construed in accordance with Article 4 of the Human Rights Convention.
(3)In determining whether a person is being held in slavery or servitude or required to perform forced or compulsory labour, regard may be had to all the circumstances.
(4)For example, regard may be had—
(a)to any of the person’s personal circumstances (such as the person being a child, the person’s family relationships, and any mental or physical illness) which may make the person more vulnerable than other persons;
(b)to any work or services provided by the person, including work or services provided in circumstances which constitute exploitation within section 3(3) to (6).
(5)The consent of a person (whether an adult or a child) to any of the acts alleged to constitute holding the person in slavery or servitude, or requiring the person to perform forced or compulsory labour, does not preclude a determination that the person is being held in slavery or servitude, or required to perform forced or compulsory labour.

Dearie me. It’s owning contractual rights. That’s it

[04Sauzee]

200 k for grigor

Where are you hearing this?

[eastmainsmsh]

Where are you hearing this?

According to the sun

[04Sauzee]

According to the sun

Just seen it , I'm surprised tbh

[neil7908]

200 k for grigor

If true, that's a big outlay if you combine the fees for him, Melkerson and McAlister.

It's great to see us invest in youth but we shouldn't be doing it at the expense of the first team, and we are still a couple of players short imo.

[Edinburgh Green]

Just seen it , I'm surprised tbh

Why? We’re obviously wedged!

[GloryGlory]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9286018/hibs-rangers-trialist-adam-griger-transfer/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=ScottishSunSportTwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1660151539-1

£200k is a biggish fee for us, so I can't imagine he is coming in just to play for the development team. He must be seen as someone who will be pushing for first team action quickly.

[SHODAN]

That's a heap of money for an 18 year old.

[JohnM1875]

No issue with spending the money as long as it doesn't impact signing players for the first time. Still need at least two for the main squad in my opinion.

[neil7908]

That's a heap of money for an 18 year old.

We paid close to that for a 16 year old recently. I like us picking up younger players to develop but as others have said, we need to be careful not to neglect the here and now.

Boyle is an amazing bit of business and full credit to the club but this squad is still at least a couple of bodies short imo.

[Since452]

Ron ponying up again. Money is no object to us.

We are definitely winning the 2026 Premiership.

[BT58]

The investment is a bit of a gamble but i suppose any player is a gamble. Mon the young guns !!!
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[Heisenberg]

We got some money from the Huns for Connor Young (sure 50k has been mentioned on here?) so that’ll offset it a bit. I’ll await Patrick McPartlin confirming what we’ve actually paid :greengrin

[Unseen work]

Ooft! To be fair he looks like he’s played a fair amount of games for his age. Wonder what is means for O’Connor and Laidlaw?

[Unseen work]

Does anyone have or able to send me the photo of the guy that was getting shown around Easter road at the weekend?

[SlickShoes]

Assume he will be a Doidge replacement for when he moves on at some point

[brydekirk]

I’m sure he’s talented but that must be the worst highlights reel I’ve seen.

This

[GreenArmy1875]

Ron ponying up again. Money is no object to us.

We are definitely winning the 2026 Premiership.

Don't say that. Robbie Nielson might quote you in his next interview

[Since452]

We got some money from the Huns for Connor Young (sure 50k has been mentioned on here?) so that’ll offset it a bit. I’ll await Patrick McPartlin confirming what we’ve actually paid :greengrin

We also sold Macey for an undisclosed fee and replaced him with a free transfer. Wonder how much we actually got for him? If it was 400k then I'd be happy enough with us signing this lad and McAllister with the funds.

[King Cosell]

We got some money from the Huns for Connor Young (sure 50k has been mentioned on here?) so that’ll offset it a bit. I’ll await Patrick McPartlin confirming what we’ve actually paid :greengrin

Was reported as a 6-figure sum, so something over 100k.

[superfurryhibby]

Great etc, but we need two more first team players and we are ready to have a good season.

[Torto7]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9286018/hibs-rangers-trialist-adam-griger-transfer/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=ScottishSunSportTwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1660151539-1

£200k is a biggish fee for us, so I can't imagine he is coming in just to play for the development team. He must be seen as someone who will be pushing for first team action quickly.

They always have to work a huntic angle to everything.

[inglisavhibs]

Porto was terrible yesterday. He needs rocket up the arse sign a new deal or F off. His passing wasn't as good as usual but his defending in the box was superb.

[Unseen work]

Not that I’m against development player signings at all, but I wonder what sort of centre mid/centre back we’d be able to get for 500k or so?

When you think about the money spent on this lad, McAllister, Hauge etc it’s a huge investment.

Trust the club though, they’re getting a lot of stick from many angles but I really do think it will pay off in the future as long as we don’t negate the first team.

Looking forward to see the quality centre mid and centre back that we recruit

[Tricla]

His passing wasn't as good as usual but his defending in the box was superb.

Correct. Sometimes people forget he's a centre half first and foremost.

[inglisavhibs]

You could criticise almost everyone involved in that move for not doing slightly better than they did, Rocky, Porteous, Kenneh, Marshall, Cabraja. You could also admit that the pass from Mckay was 10/10 and Shankland did really well and scored, we'd be raving about it if someone in our team made that pass.

Every player is going to make mistakes because they are human, it only becomes an issue when its the exact same mistake over and over.
Probably one of the few goals against where no real fault, great pass and well timed run. The much maligned Porteous defended the box superbly as he nearly always does. His passing wasn't as good as normal and could have cost us a second goal but he is asked to play what we would call risky passes so these things will happen. Our defensive record continues to be very good.

[JohnM1875]

Correct. Sometimes people forget he's a centre half first and foremost.

I think the issue is he seems to forget that himself recently. He's undoubtedly a real talent and hope he signs an extension. But far too many wee mistakes recently.

[FitbaFolkKen]

We are breaking the mould and spending money on signing exciting young talent. The gamble being that a number of them develop into players we wouldn’t normally be able to afford to bring in. I’m 100% behind it and I like the fact that the club is showing intent by spending proper money on these young players.

Any talk of neglect of the first team budget is surely gone with Boyle returning?


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[Tricla]

We are breaking the mould and spending money on signing exciting young talent. The gamble being that a number of them develop into players we wouldn’t normally be able to afford to bring in. I’m 100% behind it and I like the fact that the club is showing intent by spending proper money on these young players.

Any talk of neglect of the first team budget is surely gone with Boyle returning?


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[Since452]

We are breaking the mould and spending money on signing exciting young talent. The gamble being that a number of them develop into players we wouldn’t normally be able to afford to bring in. I’m 100% behind it and I like the fact that the club is showing intent by spending proper money on these young players.

Any talk of neglect of the first team budget is surely gone with Boyle returning?


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Correct. I'm loving this strategy. Very exciting and a good bit of intrigue about it.

[Pete70]

We are breaking the mould and spending money on signing exciting young talent. The gamble being that a number of them develop into players we wouldn’t normally be able to afford to bring in. I’m 100% behind it and I like the fact that the club is showing intent by spending proper money on these young players.

Any talk of neglect of the first team budget is surely gone with Boyle returning?


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:agree:

[Hibernian Verse]

If we sign some young players totalling 1m and two of them make a major breakthrough and go for 2m+ we are well up overall and can reinvest again. That’s the strategy, hope it pays off.

[Greencore]

Ron's loaded.

[IberianHibernian]

Sounds like Griger might be playing in Under 20 World Cup in March . Miss a few matches but if he impresses his value will rocket .

[Callum_62]

Sounds like Griger might be playing in Under 20 World Cup in March . Miss a few matches but if he impresses his value will rocket .I do wonder if he's first team squad....

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[The Modfather]

£200k on a young striker in itself is fine. How much have we spent on Tait, Mckay, Macallister & now the new striker? Maybe £600k ball park? While we have signed one free transfer midfielder, who looks talented if raw, and let go of Gogic, Hallberg & Allan.

Either Hibs have their priorities wrong or they continue to have an inexplicable blind spot, over a number of years, when it comes to the midfield IMO.

[IberianHibernian]

£200k on a young striker in itself is fine. How much have we spent on Tait, Mckay, Macallister & now the new striker? Maybe £600k ball park? While we have signed one free transfer midfielder, who looks talented if raw, and let go of Gogic, Hallberg & Allan.

Either Hibs have their priorities wrong or they continue to have an inexplicable blind spot, over a number of years, when it comes to the midfield IMO.Or there aren`t many quality midfield players available within our budget . So other teams in our league have the same problem . Same for strikers . Hence why we sign Melkerson , Kennah etc - quality but still young so not too expensive .

[HoboHarry]

£200k on a young striker in itself is fine. How much have we spent on Tait, Mckay, Macallister & now the new striker? Maybe £600k ball park? While we have signed one free transfer midfielder, who looks talented if raw, and let go of Gogic, Hallberg & Allan.

Either Hibs have their priorities wrong or they continue to have an inexplicable blind spot, over a number of years, when it comes to the midfield IMO.
Or perhaps they have a vision of building a very imposing and successful model and are making sure there is a pretty substantial foundation in place first.

[The Modfather]

Or there aren`t many quality midfield players available within our budget . So other teams in our league have the same problem . Same for strikers . Hence why we sign Melkerson , Kennah etc - quality but still young so not too expensive .

Given how far we cast the net now and the kind of fees we are paying I don’t believe there are not many quality midfielders out there within our budget. We look to have managed to replace Doig, those same markets must have quality midfielders in them too.

[The Modfather]

Or perhaps they have a vision of building a very imposing and successful model and are making sure there is a pretty substantial foundation in place first.

Which is great, and it hasn’t impacted the amount we have spent on the first team the last few transfer windows. However, for some bizarre reason we seem to be spending money on every area other than the one that needs it most.

We have already had to play Newell, JDH & Campbell again in a competitive fixture and are only ever an injury or suspension to Henderson & Kenneth away from having to do so again.

[brog]

£200k on a young striker in itself is fine. How much have we spent on Tait, Mckay, Macallister & now the new striker? Maybe £600k ball park? While we have signed one free transfer midfielder, who looks talented if raw, and let go of Gogic, Hallberg & Allan.

Either Hibs have their priorities wrong or they continue to have an inexplicable blind spot, over a number of years, when it comes to the midfield IMO.

Neither Gogic or Allan have a club yet and Hallberg is playing for the club which narrowly avoided relegation last season. Are you seriously saying we should have offered them new contracts? PS, you missed out Drey Wright!

[The Modfather]

Neither Gogic or Allan have a club yet and Hallberg is playing for the club which narrowly avoided relegation last season. Are you seriously saying we should have offered them new contracts? PS, you missed out Drey Wright!

No, I was pointing out that what we’re spending on Kenneth is probably offset and more by the midfielders we did move on.

[Hibee Daft]

Im actually quite happy with midfield..

Kenneh looks like he can develop into a good player, JDH and Henderson altho not the finished article just yet also have alot of potential.

Also Magennis will probs be back in a month or two aswell.

[Centre Hawf]

I don't think we're as desperate for a CM as people make out we are. We have JDH, Newell, Hendo, Kenneh, Campbell, Tait currently at the club with Magennis hopefully back from injury in a month or two, and Delferriere out on loan till January. People can have their opinions on the combination of players that have played but also need to remember we have a new coaching staff that will believe they can get better out of them all than previous.

[Coco Bryce]

Also Magennis will probs be back in a month or two aswell.

Have you got evidence of this phenomenon?

[badabing67]

That's a heap of money for an 18 year old.

Did we not get a heap for the young guy that went to Rangers this must be a replacement

[Scotty Leither]

A decent midfielder that can hit balls into the channel for Youan and Boyle will transform this side from “promising” to a team that’ll piss the top 6 and maybe even get 3rd.

Lots of positives about the club just now, and from what I saw in the Albion Bar and Tornadoes on Sunday a lot of money flowing into the club too.

A big signing and the momentum will grow, IMO.

[MrSmith]

I don't think we're as desperate for a CM as people make out we are. We have JDH, Newell, Hendo, Kenneh, Campbell, Tait currently at the club with Magennis hopefully back from injury in a month or two, and Delferriere out on loan till January. People can have their opinions on the combination of players that have played but also need to remember we have a new coaching staff that will believe they can get better out of them all than previous.

We sure are desperate and have been for a few years now! JDH, Newell & Campbell are hopeless, tippy tappy, sideaways, soft & safe crap with no forward view, we need better and a mid with an attacking yet imposing nature. Hendo, Kenneh & Tait - jury is still out for me.

[Not In The Know]

His passing wasn't as good as usual but his defending in the box was superb.
Apart from the goal…

[Centre Hawf]

We sure are desperate and have been for a few years now! JDH, Newell & Campbell are hopeless, tippy tappy, sideaways, soft & safe crap with no forward view, we need better and a mid with an attacking yet imposing nature. Hendo, Kenneh & Tait - jury is still out for me.

I personally don't really agree with that. I think all 3 have qualities that can be useful to us this season.

[RIP]

This is the first time in my memory of supporting Hibs that we’ve replaced short-term squad churns with an obvious player development strategy.

The revolving door policy has failed us time and time again. As soon as we get a settled team, it’s broken up by injuries, contract end dates or new coaches bringing in their own who rarely improve our fortunes.

Ron is working on a five year plan that he’s half way through. He’s sorting the commercial side and the football operation in parallel. Of course this will mean a year of building a team whilst developing two other squads.

I reckon he’s seen the flaws in our football operation and is going to apply every ounce of his business acumen to improve the club for the future.

[hibbie02]

We sure are desperate and have been for a few years now! JDH, Newell & Campbell are hopeless, tippy tappy, sideaways, soft & safe crap with no forward view, we need better and a mid with an attacking yet imposing nature. Hendo, Kenneh & Tait - jury is still out for me.

Kennah has been promising and adds steel. Hendo, still to convince and Tait hasn't had a chance to show what he can do. I think midfield is not the issue. With Campbell forced our by injury, Tait needs to be given a chance. Newwll or JDH is fine, but not together. I would suggest midfield may be okay if Tait gets a chance. We need a LCB that can get Porto back in position and Rocky can be backup. Up front I think we are good.

[Coco Bryce]

I personally don't really agree with that. I think all 3 have qualities that can be useful to us this season.

And that's the problem. People are now accepting this mediocre bang average midfield three.

[Coco Bryce]

We sure are desperate and have been for a few years now! JDH, Newell & Campbell are hopeless, tippy tappy, sideaways, soft & safe crap with no forward view, we need better and a mid with an attacking yet imposing nature. Hendo, Kenneh & Tait - jury is still out for me.

I agree.

[Unseen work]

https://twitter.com/billyblesky/status/1557378954129862657?s=21&t=-zSX7pqylUTADjK4zf_ofg

Some information about Griger and what to expect.

Been on trial at Milan previously too.

[phoenixfire]

https://twitter.com/billyblesky/status/1557378954129862657?s=21&t=-zSX7pqylUTADjK4zf_ofg

Some information about Griger and what to expect.

Been on trial at Milan previously too.

Thanks for that mate ! Looks Abit like haaland hope he's half as good:aok:

[Onceinawhile]

https://twitter.com/billyblesky/status/1557378954129862657?s=21&t=-zSX7pqylUTADjK4zf_ofg

Some information about Griger and what to expect.

Been on trial at Milan previously too.

Looks like we've been gazumped and he's going to Malta.

[phoenixfire]

Looks like we've been gazumped and he's going to Malta.

Hibernian gazumped by Hibernians maybe?:flag:

[badabing67]

https://twitter.com/billyblesky/status/1557378954129862657?s=21&t=-zSX7pqylUTADjK4zf_ofg

Some information about Griger and what to expect.

Been on trial at Milan previously too.

I wouldn't read to much in to that, we got Slivka from Juventus.

[theonlywayisup]

We sure are desperate and have been for a few years now! JDH, Newell & Campbell are hopeless, tippy tappy, sideaways, soft & safe crap with no forward view, we need better and a mid with an attacking yet imposing nature. Hendo, Kenneh & Tait - jury is still out for me.

Yes, I fully agree with you apart from the "hopeless" comment. As you say, it's been a problem area for years IMO.

For a few years, we've have had virtually zero goal threat from midfield. They try hard and score the odd goal, but we need more.

Magennis has a goal threat, but I wouldn't rely on him. Mallan had the goal threat, but even he didn't score that many. If we're casting our net across the world, surely there's a young midfielder who's got a goal threat out there.

Or maybe someone at the end of their career. A Sauzee type signing please :sauzee:

[Since452]

If we sign some young players totalling 1m and two of them make a major breakthrough and go for 2m+ we are well up overall and can reinvest again. That’s the strategy, hope it pays off.

That's part of the strategy but I reckon the main part is developing these talented young players into players that we wouldn't otherwise be able to afford if we hadn't signed them as youngsters. If four or five of them develop how we hope, then it could see us make an impact on the league that none of us have ever seen. If we sell them on for a profit then that's a bonus. We obviously can't complete with the old firm for players so we're trying something different.

[tonyrougier123]

Yes, I fully agree with you apart from the "hopeless" comment. As you say, it's been a problem area for years IMO.

For a few years, we've have had virtually zero goal threat from midfield. They try hard and score the odd goal, but we need more.

Magennis has a goal threat, but I wouldn't rely on him. Mallan had the goal threat, but even he didn't score that many. If we're casting our net across the world, surely there's a young midfielder who's got a goal threat out there.

Or maybe someone at the end of their career. A Sauzee type signing please :sauzee:

Tom Rogic would be an ideal sauzee type,probably not doable but we did resign squirrel 🤔.

Still without a club would be sensational mind.

[Bridge hibs]

Watched part of a documentary last night about young players in London making it in the game, a few of Englands top young players who play for Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and West Ham were scouted playing grass route football, or cage football as was described. Antonio I think played for Tooting and Mitcham

There was a Scout, now with Arsenal who drives around looking for players with potential and followed one lad who ended up with a 2 year scholarship with Cheltenham Town, I missed the end because I switched it over for the football 😳

[BegbieHSC]

Surprised we’re signing another striker for the development team, when we’ve got Laidlaw and O’Connor knocking the door. Maybe they’re set for a promotion to the first team?

[BegbieHSC]

Surprised we’re signing another striker for the development team, when we’ve got Laidlaw and O’Connor knocking the door. Maybe they’re set for a promotion to the first team?

Either way, I’m pleased there seems to be a clear club strategy in place, development wise. We’re probably a couple of seasons away from seeing if it pays off, but positive signs. There won’t be another club in the league, outwith the old firm putting such an emphasis on development.

[brog]

No, I was pointing out that what we’re spending on Kenneth is probably offset and more by the midfielders we did move on.
In that case apologies but I've now reread your post a few times and I still think it reads as if you're saying we're on the wrong track. You provide 2 options, both of which are negative.

[Hibernian Verse]

That's part of the strategy but I reckon the main part is developing these talented young players into players that we wouldn't otherwise be able to afford if we hadn't signed them as youngsters. If four or five of them develop how we hope, then it could see us make an impact on the league that none of us have ever seen. If we sell them on for a profit then that's a bonus. We obviously can't complete with the old firm for players so we're trying something different.

Yes absolutely. All ties in together.

Personally, I'm really excited about the route we're taking. I'd rather watch these young guys develop over the next 5 years and continue on the Hibernian rollercoaster ride than watch an endless turn of average EFL or National League players come through the club and leave a couple of seasons later.

[DinkyTwo]

I wouldn't read to much in to that, we got Slivka from Juventus.He'd be first pick in CM right now

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[scoopyboy]

Have you got evidence of this phenomenon?

What a lift it would give everyone it he actually played again, it always just seems to be that fortnight / month away.

It's like the donkey that never quite catches up with the carrot.

[scoopyboy]

Did we not get a heap for the young guy that went to Rangers this must be a replacement

We got roughly a £50,000 heap from Rangers for Connor Young which is a fair bit short of the alleged £200,000 heap we paid out for the new laddie.

[Hibernian Verse]

Hope we sign some more lads for the U20 World Cup. When was the last time we had anyone at that competition?

[Since452]

Yes absolutely. All ties in together.

Personally, I'm really excited about the route we're taking. I'd rather watch these young guys develop over the next 5 years and continue on the Hibernian rollercoaster ride than watch an endless turn of average EFL or National League players come through the club and leave a couple of seasons later.

Yeah defo. I've really started paying attenion to the development team now. Will be really interesting watching their progress.

[Since452]

What a lift it would give everyone it he actually played again, it always just seems to be that fortnight / month away.

It's like the donkey that never quite catches up with the carrot.

:agree: The Magennis that we saw at the start of last season is the missing piece of the jigsaw right now. Exactly what we need. Would be nice to hear an update on him.

[Edinburgh Green]

:agree: The Magennis that we saw at the start of last season is the missing piece of the jigsaw right now. Exactly what we need. Would be nice to hear an update on him.

Tbh I’m not sure how much worth there is in updates on him. Every potential return date has either been pushed back or missed completely. Even when he does come back it’ll be a waiting game till his next injury unfortunately

[GloryGlory]

Tbh I’m not sure how much worth there is in updates on him. Every potential return date has either been pushed back or missed completely. Even when he does come back it’ll be a waiting game till his next injury unfortunately

I'm wondering if we have insurance for Magennis. The club used to insure players against career wrecking injuries ISTR. Must be getting to the point of looking at that, surely? Then we move on and find a replacement.

[Mcbizz1998]

Tbh I’m not sure how much worth there is in updates on him. Every potential return date has either been pushed back or missed completely. Even when he does come back it’ll be a waiting game till his next injury unfortunately

I really thought he would be back from start of the season. The fact he has missed that and doesn’t even appear to be training is pretty worrying.

[GloryGlory]

Tbh I’m not sure how much worth there is in updates on him. Every potential return date has either been pushed back or missed completely. Even when he does come back it’ll be a waiting game till his next injury unfortunately

Even when (if) he gets fit enough to play, it'll weeks if not months before he's at full match fitness level. So that'll be at least half this season gone, given the world cup break, before we can get anything out of him, assuming he remains fit.

[Sioux]

I'm wondering if we have insurance for Magennis. The club used to insure players against career wrecking injuries ISTR. Must be getting to the point of looking at that, surely? Then we move on and find a replacement.

Those types of insurance policy come into play only when a player needs to permanently retire on medical grounds.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Those types of insurance policy come into play only when a player needs to permanently retire on medical grounds.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised with Magennis if that day isn’t too far around the corner.

I don’t think we’ll ever see much more from Magennis going forward and we should be seeking a replacement as a matter of urgency.

[GloryGlory]

Those types of insurance policy come into play only when a player needs to permanently retire on medical grounds.

Yes - that's why I said "career wrecking injuries". We must be considering this for Magennis by this point or at least that point must be fast approaching.

That is even if we managed to get insurance for him, considering he came here whilst still recovering from a serious knee injury.

[easty]

He'd be first pick in CM right now

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Nah, he’d be where he always was, on the bench.

[Percy Vere]

We sure are desperate and have been for a few years now! JDH, Newell & Campbell are hopeless, tippy tappy, sideaways, soft & safe crap with no forward view, we need better and a mid with an attacking yet imposing nature. Hendo, Kenneh & Tait - jury is still out for me.

What about that Boyle guy we just signed?
He looks pretty direct.

[Percy Vere]

And that's the problem. People are now accepting this mediocre bang average midfield three.

Nah don’t think so. I think what’s being said is they all have something to offer but not all together at once. Ie not our midfield. Thought Newell had a good second half on Saturday, some quality crosses. He just needs to do it more.
Also thought JDH brought fresh energy when he came on, not too shabby.

[Brightside]

He'd be first pick in CM right now

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I liked slivka but there is not a chance he would be a first pick in there now.

[Brightside]

We sure are desperate and have been for a few years now! JDH, Newell & Campbell are hopeless, tippy tappy, sideaways, soft & safe crap with no forward view, we need better and a mid with an attacking yet imposing nature. Hendo, Kenneh & Tait - jury is still out for me.

:greengrin:greengrin Hopeless? No forward view? Have you actually watched Hibs this season?

[Brightside]

We got roughly a £50,000 heap from Rangers for Connor Young which is a fair bit short of the alleged £200,000 heap we paid out for the new laddie.

I'd suggest the 200k is made up nonsense from the Sun.

[MrSmith]

What about that Boyle guy we just signed?
He looks pretty direct.

I agree but Boyle is not a midfielder. We need a strong, commanding, holding, direct ball winning midfielder that looks forward not backways or sideways. Hopeless was maybe unfair but I cannot stand their performances in terms of attacking and fighting for the ball. A mixture of: John Collins, John McGinn, Franck Sauzee, John O'Neil & Pat McGinlay into one or two players would suit me! :flag:

[The Modfather]

I liked slivka but there is not a chance he would be a first pick in there now.

Not sure Slivka, or Hallberg for that matter, would be out of place in the current options. In for a few games, play ok with the odd good game before a few anonymous games and someone else comes in to continue that cycle.

[nonshinyfinish]

A mixture of: John Collins, John McGinn, Franck Sauzee John O'Neil & Pat McGinlay into one or two players would suit me!

Baffling that it's taking the recruitment team so long.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not sure Slivka, or Hallberg for that matter, would be out of place in the current options. In for a few games, play ok with the odd good game before a few anonymous games and someone else comes in to continue that cycle.

Slivks certainly a much better player than Campbell, although his fitness was always his problem.

[MrSmith]

Baffling that it's taking the recruitment team so long.

:agree: I know, I'm just dreaming :greengrin

[Brightside]

Not sure Slivka, or Hallberg for that matter, would be out of place in the current options. In for a few games, play ok with the odd good game before a few anonymous games and someone else comes in to continue that cycle.

I think they would be on the bench. They certainly wouldn't improve us. Midfield seems to be getting loads of stick yet we are still creating plenty chances, and having plenty possession.

[McGruber]

Tbh I’m not sure how much worth there is in updates on him. Every potential return date has either been pushed back or missed completely. Even when he does come back it’ll be a waiting game till his next injury unfortunately

Unfortunately agree with this. Do we even know what the issue is? Some groin problem I think, maybe get to the bottom of it at some point. I remember Colin Cameron at Hearts had chronic groin problems that threatened his Hearts career until a specialist found it was to do with his jaw being out of line or something obscure like that

[scoopyboy]

I'd suggest the 200k is made up nonsense from the Sun.

That's why i said alleged

[Bushwoof]

I agree but Boyle is not a midfielder. We need a strong, commanding, holding, direct ball winning midfielder that looks forward not backways or sideways. Hopeless was maybe unfair but I cannot stand their performances in terms of attacking and fighting for the ball. A mixture of: John Collins, John McGinn, Franck Sauzee, John O'Neil & Pat McGinlay into one or two players would suit me! :flag:

Nah, that's hopeless. You need a bit of Broony, KT and Boozy in there too.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Unfortunately agree with this. Do we even know what the issue is? Some groin problem I think, maybe get to the bottom of it at some point. I remember Colin Cameron at Hearts had chronic groin problems that threatened his Hearts career until a specialist found it was to do with his jaw being out of line or something obscure like that

IIRC it was as you say, think it was a problem with his hip or pelvis ... Think the specialist he saw was in Paris and he gave him some corrective mouthwear to realign his jaw .. worked like magic apparently.

[Oscar T Grouch]

I agree but Boyle is not a midfielder. We need a strong, commanding, holding, direct ball winning midfielder that looks forward not backways or sideways. Hopeless was maybe unfair but I cannot stand their performances in terms of attacking and fighting for the ball. A mixture of: John Collins, John McGinn, Franck Sauzee, John O'Neil & Pat McGinlay into one or two players would suit me! :flag:

Better let Hibs know that then, they have him listed as a midfielder :greengrin

[hibbyfraelibby]

I liked slivka but there is not a chance he would be a first pick in there now.

Imagine a midfield of Slivka,Gogic,Hallberg...we would tear up the league🙃

[Percy Vere]

And that's the problem. People are now accepting this mediocre bang average midfield three.

Nah don’t think so. I think what’s being said is they all have something to offer but not all together at once. Ie not our midfield. Thought Newell had a good second half on Saturday, some quality crosses. He just needs to do it more.
Also thought JDH brought fresh energy when he came on, not too shabby.

[Lester B]

I confess that I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been mentioned and rubbished already but...

Talking to a good mate earlier in the week who is a massive Sunderland fan who first told me Hibs should go for LJ as soon as Maloney left. He says there's a rumour in Sunderland that Hibs might be interested in Carl Winchester. He played at Oldham under LJ and then Lee signed him for Sunderland. He's not featured at all even on the bench in their first two games apparently. My mate says a lot of Sunderland fans were aghast at first that they'd signed "a League 2 player" but that he thought CW was good enough for the Championship based upon the games he played.

Admittedly this rumour/suggestion is second hand from a bunch of Sunderland fans with a drink in them :wink:

[04Sauzee]

I confess that I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been mentioned and rubbished already but...

Talking to a good mate earlier in the week who is a massive Sunderland fan who first told me Hibs should go for LJ as soon as Maloney left. He says there's a rumour in Sunderland that Hibs might be interested in Carl Winchester. He played at Oldham under LJ and then Lee signed him for Sunderland. He's not featured at all even on the bench in their first two games apparently. My mate says a lot of Sunderland fans were aghast at first that they'd signed "a League 2 player" but that he thought CW was good enough for the Championship based upon the games he played.

Admittedly this rumour/suggestion is second hand from a bunch of Sunderland fans with a drink in them :wink:

He'd have to be better than he showed last night against Sheffield Wednesday in the cup. Admittedly Sunderland had made a raft of changes from the weekend as did Wednesday but Winchester didn't look very good at all on that showing.

[patlowe]

Slivks certainly a much better player than Campbell, although his fitness was always his problem.

Different level in terms of ability but I wouldn't say fitness was Slivka's problem - it felt to me like whenever he made an impact the next game he had a chance to cement his place and he would just disappear and go into his shell a bit. Also didn't have a defensive bone in his body. So if it was just down to ability, yes have him in our midfield all day long. But Campbell (and I've criticised him a lot at times) can be employed to do very specific jobs that supplement other, more refined, midfielders. Slivka was just too unreliable IMO. Ditto for Hallberg.

[500miles]

Different level in terms of ability but I wouldn't say fitness was Slivka's problem - it felt to me like whenever he made an impact the next game he had a chance to cement his place and he would just disappear and go into his shell a bit. Also didn't have a defensive bone in his body. So if it was just down to ability, yes have him in our midfield all day long. But Campbell (and I've criticised him a lot at times) can be employed to do very specific jobs that supplement other, more refined, midfielders. Slivka was just too unreliable IMO. Ditto for Hallberg.

Our record with Slivka in the team, particularly his last season, was excellent. Very technical player with good strength, but lacked a bit of pace. Not naturally a fit on scottish football and suffered as successor to McGinn, but scored big goals.

[badabing67]

Slivks certainly a much better player than Campbell, although his fitness was always his problem.

Never had a problem with Slivka's ability, perhaps if he had some of Campbell's physicality he would of been a better player for us. I always thought he was a bit light weight considering the size of the guy, regularly muscled of the ball by much smaller guys than him. I don't think he was cut out for Scottish football

[Hibiza]

" Winchester " : seems a bit of a " long shot ".

[Lester B]

He'd have to be better than he showed last night against Sheffield Wednesday in the cup. Admittedly Sunderland had made a raft of changes from the weekend as did Wednesday but Winchester didn't look very good at all on that showing.

Fair point. He has filled in at right back on occasion but was right side of a back 3 last night so definitely out of position. Rumour might be a load of bollocks anyway!

[Lester B]

" Winchester " : seems a bit of a " long shot ".

And the can of worms labelled Puns is re-opened

[04Sauzee]

Fair point. He has filled in at right back on occasion but was right side of a back 3 last night so definitely out of position. Rumour might be a load of bollocks anyway!

Yip you are 100% correct playing that position certainly wouldn't have helped at all.
I don't know anything about him tbh just what I seen last night.
Did play a fair few games last season.

[HoboHarry]

" Winchester " : seems a bit of a " long shot ".
Puns will be rifling in now.....

[Unseen work]

I done some reading on Winchester before as someone sent me a link where Johnson was praising him.

Think from what I’ve read he’s a typical high energy Johnson player that can play right back or centre mid, I had in my head he’d be similar to Cadden but that’s just a guess so could he miles off it!

[Heisenberg]

Latest from LJ

"There will probably have to be a couple of outs if there are to be any ins now," he said. "We've probably just tickled over the budget for where we are and where we need to be. But in saying that, we're always open and there's always a little room for manoeuvre."

Playing it safe I’d think.

[mutley]

" Winchester " : seems a bit of a " long shot ".



And have a nice cold pint and wait for it all to blow over.

[Unseen work]

Latest from LJ

"There will probably have to be a couple of outs if there are to be any ins now," he said. "We've probably just tickled over the budget for where we are and where we need to be. But in saying that, we're always open and there's always a little room for manoeuvre."

Playing it safe I’d think.

No wonder to be honest, our squad including development team is huge.

Tait
McLellend
Campbell
Doidge

Wouldn’t be surprised to see any of them leave on loan and Doidge permanent

[BSEJVT]

Latest from LJ

"There will probably have to be a couple of outs if there are to be any ins now," he said. "We've probably just tickled over the budget for where we are and where we need to be. But in saying that, we're always open and there's always a little room for manoeuvre."

Playing it safe I’d think.

Probably spinning a yarn to the papers but it makes the recruitment of Mackay & Tait who predate our development squad change and cost serious cash and can’t get a look in just seem all the more bizarre

Btw I am aware Mackay is on a season long loan

I am fully in favour of our approach with development squad but Tait & Mackay should have been much safer signings being that bit older and playing in Scotland

Maybe just new manager not fancying old managers signings

I suppose if you think about it it’s less risky for him to bin them than fail to bring them through

But for both Maloney & Johnson to ostracise them both without apparently giving either but especially Mackay a reasonable chance just seems odd

[Unseen work]

Think the issue we have with recruitment at the moment is injuries to key players

Hanlon
Stevenson
Magennis
Mitchell
McGeady
Nisbet

All make a big difference to our squad and fill gaps that were crying out for. Do we sign other players for those positions or take the risk they’ll be back soon?

I’m reluctant in putting too much trust in Magennis with his injury record, I just can’t see him staying fit for a prolonged period.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

No wonder to be honest, our squad including development team is huge.

Tait
McLellend
Campbell
Doidge

Wouldn’t be surprised to see any of them leave on loan and Doidge permanent

TBH I’d be surprised to see Campbell go on loan as he looks to have picked up a dullyin, and, LJ seems to like him 🤷🏻*♂️

[dchibs]

" Winchester " : seems a bit of a " long shot ".

Yes a weekend on the powder and he'd get the bullet.

[Brightside]

Latest from LJ

"There will probably have to be a couple of outs if there are to be any ins now," he said. "We've probably just tickled over the budget for where we are and where we need to be. But in saying that, we're always open and there's always a little room for manoeuvre."

Playing it safe I’d think.

and we still havent bought a CB

[Hibernian Verse]

and we still havent bought a CB

He obviously feels that McLelland is fine as 4th choice.

[Iain G]

And the can of worms labelled Puns is re-opened

He could be so good for You-an :wink:

[Centre Hawf]

IIRC it was as you say, think it was a problem with his hip or pelvis ... Think the specialist he saw was in Paris and he gave him some corrective mouthwear to realign his jaw .. worked like magic apparently.

I remember when David Beckham went to AC Milan apparently something they did early on was fix some teeth issues he had as they found it could change your posture and in turn cause more stress on muscles or joints in your legs.

Not surprising to see him and a few others that played or play for AC Milan lasted so late into their 30's if that was the case.

[Mike Berry]

He obviously feels that McLelland is fine as 4th choice.McLelland is really good.

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[greenginger]

I remember when David Beckham went to AC Milan apparently something they did early on was fix some teeth issues he had as they found it could change your posture and in turn cause more stress on muscles or joints in your legs.

Not surprising to see him and a few others that played or play for AC Milan lasted so late into their 30's if that was the case.

Iv’e heard of a few players who have had long term injury’s fixed by dentistry.

https://www.leedsunited.news/news/report-leeds-player-has-had-teeth-removed-to-boost-long-term-injury-recovery/


Seems to have worked for this Leeds player

[Brightside]

McLelland is really good.

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He hardly got a game for Falkirk. Sounds like we’ve all gone overboard after some games against poor opponents. We needed CBs last season and we still need them now.

[CapitalGreen]

He hardly got a game for Falkirk. Sounds like we’ve all gone overboard after some games against poor opponents. We needed CBs last season and we still need them now.

He was at Falkirk on a 2 month loan 1.5 years ago and played 8 of the 13 matches. The matches he didn’t feature were just after he’d arrived, after getting into the team he was near ever present for the rest of the season.

[SlickShoes]

He hardly got a game for Falkirk. Sounds like we’ve all gone overboard after some games against poor opponents. We needed CBs last season and we still need them now.

Hanlon and Porto are our first choice, rocky is very close second if not also considered a first choice option, mclelland is third. To bring in someone "proven" or "good", you have to be making them first choice, no one is going to come to fight for a place unless we pay them over the odds.

There has to be a cut off somewhere, I just don't think they see this position as a priority unless something bad long term happens to hanlon or porto.

[degenerated]

He hardly got a game for Falkirk. Sounds like we’ve all gone overboard after some games against poor opponents. We needed CBs last season and we still need them now.He was only at Falkirk for 60 days. They played 12 games in that period and he played in half of them.

Perhaps if they had played him more they might have done a bit better :greengrin

[Borderhibbie76]

I'd still prioritise a midfielder over a CB - think we are fine there with Rocky, Porto and Hanlon and McLelland and even Daz as back up - remember we arent playing for a month between Mid Nov and Mid Dec so we are only talking about 2 and a bit months of matches till Jan

[Sioux]

No wonder to be honest, our squad including development team is huge.

Tait
McLellend
Campbell
Doidge

Wouldn’t be surprised to see any of them leave on loan and Doidge permanent

That's because the development team squad is a brand new team. Those players are not part of the first team squad. Its not a difficult concept to grasp.

[Unseen work]

That's because the development team squad is a brand new team. Those players are not part of the first team squad. Its not a difficult concept to grasp.

Never said it was a difficult concept to grasp?

Just that we’ve loads of players so it makes sense that some need to go out before they come in.

[hibbyfraelibby]

and we still havent bought a CB
So Bushiri and McLelland are goalkeepers then?

[B.H.F.C]

Never said it was a difficult concept to grasp?

Just that we’ve loads of players so it makes sense that some need to go out before they come in.

Have been saying all summer that the biggest issue we have is that there are a lot of players there on long deals who will be hard to shift.

Also think the squad is a bit unbalanced. We look like we’ll mainly play with one central striker. Youan is going to be first pick for the foreseeable. But then you have Doidge, Melkersen, Bojang and Nisbet to come back. Melkersen isn’t going to continue playing on the right now Boyle is back either. Think we’re a bit overloaded there so would be pretty logical to try an move Doidge on, but then you’re back to the contract situation. It’s the same in the middle of the park, numbers are fine it’s quality that isn’t but it’ll be difficult to fix it because they all have multiple years on their deals.

[badabing67]

Jack Ross doesn't do very well away in Europe

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Jack Ross doesn't do very well away in Europe

Not sure that’s just a Jack Ross problem tbh

[brog]

Jack Ross doesn't do very well away in Europe

That's a shocker!

[badabing67]

That's a shocker!

The score line is the shocker

[brog]

The score line is the shocker

That's what I meant! :wink:

[Peanut Shaz]

Name spelling police.......It's McClelland!!

[GST1875]

I think if we presume that there's only enough for one more coming in at the moment then I'd prioritize another midfielder. Kenneh looks a very promising anchor, Newall and JDH are decent enough at that half box to box, half deep lying playmaker role, and I think Henderson could grow into a good number 10 type. But we need someone who can break into the box and get on the end of chances and add a little bit more quality further forward generally as a third midfielder. Essentially what Kyle Magennis brought at the beginning of last season but we're unlikely to see that anytime soon.
We have three centre halves who will be wanting to start games, plus the young lad, plus McGregor in a crisis.

[Brightside]

So Bushiri and McLelland are goalkeepers then?

Neither of them are good enough for a team that wants to be 3rd.

[Green Reaper]

Has the lad Adam Griger been confirmed as signing yet? I know he’s probably for the development team team though.

[degenerated]

Neither of them are good enough for a team that wants to be 3rd.Maybe, but we know that porteous and Hanlon are though.

[Brightside]

Maybe, but we know that porteous and Hanlon are though.

Porto will miss games from suspension and Hanlon will struggle more with injuries.

[SlickShoes]

Porto will miss games from suspension and Hanlon will struggle more with injuries.

So which top CH are you going to sign to come in and be backup for when that happens? Players want to play, a good established centre half isn't coming here to sit on the bench.

[Hibernian Verse]

So which top CH are you going to sign to come in and be backup for when that happens? Players want to play, a good established centre half isn't coming here to sit on the bench.

Plus, we need there to be a pathway into the first team. If we have 4 established centre halfs what's the point in having the development team?

[Iain G]

Porto will miss games from suspension and Hanlon will struggle more with injuries.

How do you know Hanlon will struggle with injuries? Let us know when you find that Brightside 😜

[Brightside]

How do you know Hanlon will struggle with injuries? Let us know when you find that Brightside 😜

I’m Hanlons biggest fan but he is coming to the end of his top class career. We need someone pushing him for his place.

[Springbank]

I’m Hanlons biggest fan but he is coming to the end of his top class career. We need someone pushing him for his place.

That makes me his second biggest fan & I agree

It's like the rejuvenation of Lewis Stevenson when doig came along

A new role, mentoring, the ability to come off the bench as a high calibre sub, it put 2 years on Lewis's career & could do the same for PH

[Onceinawhile]

I’m Hanlons biggest fan but he is coming to the end of his top class career. We need someone pushing him for his place.

He's only 32, I would've thought he's still got this and maybe next season in him.

[HIBS NUTS]

He's only 32, I would've thought he's still got this and maybe next season in him.

He looked miles away from a start in the 45 minutes he played against brechin

[Smartie]

He's only 32, I would've thought he's still got this and maybe next season in him.

He could have that and more, but he'll need to be managed properly to do so. That's probably not achieved by playing him for 90 minutes in every single competitive game we have.

[Brightside]

He could have that and more, but he'll need to be managed properly to do so. That's probably not achieved by playing him for 90 minutes in every single competitive game we have.

Agreed - and getting him to play through injury constantly. I'm just finding it a bit difficult to agree that a player that the manager said needed about 1000 hrs of defensive training before he get up to speed is now the answer for us. But its clearly not going to happen despite stating in Portugal that 2 were available and he just needed to choose. We move on.

[FilipinoHibs]

Has the lad Adam Griger been confirmed as signing yet? I know he’s probably for the development team team though.

Think he is the Doidge replacement who will get punted to the 3rd or 4th tier of English football or DU.

[MWHIBBIES]

Think he is the Doidge replacement who will get punted to the 3rd or 4th tier of English football or DU.

He's a dev team signing. Same as the other Dev team lads we'd signed haven't meant anyone leaving, neither will he.

[Brightside]

Think he is the Doidge replacement who will get punted to the 3rd or 4th tier of English football or DU.

Doidge wont be punted until his contract ends - he wants to stay up here with his girlfriend. So we need to find him a loan deal or accept we wont have any other strikers. TBF we do appear to have a lot of forwards now.

[MWHIBBIES]

Doidge wont be punted until his contract ends - he wants to stay up here with his girlfriend. So we need to find him a loan deal or accept we wont have any other strikers. TBF we do appear to have a lot of forwards now.

Doidge is undoubtedly a good option to have. Could easily get himself back in the side

[Winston Ingram]

Doidge is undoubtedly a good option to have. Could easily get himself back in the side

This.

On top of that, I've not seen anything from the other strikers to suggest they're any better.

[Hibernian Verse]

This.

On top of that, I've not seen anything from the other strikers to suggest they're any better.

Youan is a much better option than Doidge, and I like Doidge.

His role in our equaliser for example.

[GreenGray]

This.

On top of that, I've not seen anything from the other strikers to suggest they're any better.

Presume you’ve not watched Doidge since the Clyde game?


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[Mcbizz1998]

Youan is a much better option than Doidge, and I like Doidge.

His role in our equaliser for example.

Agreed, Doidge couldn’t have done that.

However he could have got on the end of a header or bundled it in at the back post. 2 very different players and both offer something.

[Hibernian Verse]

Agreed, Doidge couldn’t have done that.

However he could have got on the end of a header or bundled it in at the back post. 2 very different players and both offer something.

Offering something different is key to any teams success which is why it's important we keep Doidge IMO.

[CapitalGreen]

Agreed, Doidge couldn’t have done that.

However he could have got on the end of a header or bundled it in at the back post. 2 very different players and both offer something.

I’m breaking out in a cold sweat just thinking about Doidge trying to control and lay off Cadden’s throw in.

[GreenGray]

Agreed, Doidge couldn’t have done that.

However he could have got on the end of a header or bundled it in at the back post. 2 very different players and both offer something.

When’s the last time Doidge done this though?


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[Since452]

We need variety in our attacking positions. I'd keep Doidge. Give him until January at least before we decide if he's lost it. Reassess it then.

[Jones28]

I know Doidge has looked rusty since his return from injury but I think he deserves a good go at getting back to fitness. He’s shown previously he’s a capable goal scorer and I think he gets to try and re discover that level before he’s written off.

[B.H.F.C]

Offering something different is key to any teams success which is why it's important we keep Doidge IMO.

Agree with the theory but Doidge isn’t actually offering anything. If he was then it would be good to have the option but he does very, very little these days.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Neither of them are good enough for a team that wants to be 3rd.

Bushiri has been our gest CH all season so by your logic Porto is mince?

We now have 5CHs (if you include big Daz) in the 1st team squad

[hibbyfraelibby]

He looked miles away from a start in the 45 minutes he played against brechin

Which is why he only got 45 minutes...this is his pre-season

[Brightside]

Bushiri has been our gest CH all season so by your logic Porto is mince?

We now have 5CHs (if you include big Daz) in the 1st team squad

Daz and Kyle are both Dev Squad. Thats confirmed. As far as current form goes I'd agree that bar the hearts game Bushiri has done very little wrong, bit we were up against very poor teams. Both Porto and Busheri were suspect in the Hearts game. I'd suggest thats the first time they've been put under any real pressure. We never invest in this area of the pitch. So as long as the majority are happy with that then so be it.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Think he is the Doidge replacement who will get punted to the 3rd or 4th tier of English football or DU.
Doidge is staying put until his partner completes her uni studies at the very least. No need to move him on as there are games his style will suit and we'll need him even if only as a subbie

[superfurryhibby]

So which top CH are you going to sign to come in and be backup for when that happens? Players want to play, a good established centre half isn't coming here to sit on the bench.

A left sided centre back comes in and claims that position, then they won't need to sit on the bench?

I guess there must be some out there, up to the club to sort out who, that's a job for a our recruitment committee.

Hanlon has been a fine servant to the club and we get wee snippets from someone who knows him well, saying that he has often been played when he needed to be recovering from niggling injury and is maybe not as able to play week in-week out as he was. Seems bizarre that the club haven't done anything to address this.

[CapitalGreen]

I know Doidge has looked rusty since his return from injury but I think he deserves a good go at getting back to fitness. He’s shown previously he’s a capable goal scorer and I think he gets to try and re discover that level before he’s written off.

It’s been 9 months since he returned from injury and he’s now had a full pre-season where he has played a lot of minutes - surely he’s back to fitness now?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I know Doidge has looked rusty since his return from injury but I think he deserves a good go at getting back to fitness. He’s shown previously he’s a capable goal scorer and I think he gets to try and re discover that level before he’s written off.

How long does he get to bring himself back to fitness?

He came back November last year and he’s had a full pre season. I’m not sure his fitness is in any way an excuse anymore.

That’s not to say I want rid of him, I just don’t think he has any excuses anymore. He has to start performing.

[CapitalGreen]

A left sided centre back comes in and claims that position, then they won't need to sit on the bench?

I guess there must be some out there, up to the club to sort out who, that's a job for a our recruitment committee.

Hanlon has been a fine servant to the club and we get wee snippets from someone who knows him well, saying that he has often been played when he needed to be recovering from niggling injury and is maybe not as able to play week in-week out as he was. Seems bizarre that the club haven't done anything to address this.

We’ve already been in for at least one (Sosa) so the club are obviously trying to get a LCB. However if Sosa is the level of player they are after then it’s trying to find a similar level of ability on our budget may be difficult.

[Jones28]

It’s been 9 months since he returned from injury and he’s now had a full pre-season where he has played a lot of minutes - surely he’s back to fitness now?

Christ is it really that long? Well time is getting short, I know it was against Clyde but he showed a bit of something.

[Jones28]

How long does he get to bring himself back to fitness?

He came back November last year and he’s had a full pre season. I’m not sure his fitness is in any way an excuse anymore.

That’s not to say I want rid of him, I just don’t think he has any excuses anymore. He has to start performing.

Yeah I didn’t realise it was as long as that, he really needs to start showing more.

[superfurryhibby]

We’ve already been in for at least one (Sosa) so the club are obviously trying to get a LCB. However if Sosa is the level of player they are after then it’s trying to find a similar level of ability on our budget may be difficult.

It's always a challenge to get the right person in. We have been spending plenty on youngsters and much as I see the merit in what the Gordon's are trying to do, can't help thinking that if we are spending half a million on a young McAllister and the centre forward, then maybe we have enough cash to purchase a player for a position that's absolutely vital to our aspirations for this season?

We are two away, left sided CB and a talented CM. I would be happy to go with what we have elsewhere, knowing that we have some decent talent returning to the side after the World Cup farce.

[Hibernian Verse]

It's always a challenge to get the right person in. We have been spending plenty on youngsters and much as I see the merit in what the Gordon's are trying to do, can't help thinking that if we are spending half a million on a young McAllister and the centre forward, then maybe we have enough cash to purchase a player for a position that's absolutely vital to our aspirations for this season?

We are two away, left sided CB and a talented CM. I would be happy to go with what we have elsewhere, knowing that we have some decent talent returning to the side after the World Cup farce.

Is 500k really enough for us to buy someone that would meet our aspirations though? We want to be playing European football regularly and 500k is peanuts to teams down South. Is there anyone in Scotland we could take for that? Again probably noone that would be deemed an upgrade on what we have.

That's why we're going down the route of 200k here and there for young players that we hope will develop into stars of the future.

[scoopyboy]

Daz and Kyle are both Dev Squad. Thats confirmed. As far as current form goes I'd agree that bar the hearts game Bushiri has done very little wrong, bit we were up against very poor teams. Both Porto and Busheri were suspect in the Hearts game. I'd suggest thats the first time they've been put under any real pressure. We never invest in this area of the pitch. So as long as the majority are happy with that then so be it.

They have been confirmed as Development squad as you say, however that doesn't stop them from playing for the first team.

I for one would not be surprised to see Daz playing tomorrow at Livingston.

[superfurryhibby]

Is 500k really enough for us to buy someone that would meet our aspirations though? We want to be playing European football regularly and 500k is peanuts to teams down South. Is there anyone in Scotland we could take for that? Again probably noone that would be deemed an upgrade on what we have.

That's why we're going down the route of 200k here and there for young players that we hope will develop into stars of the future.

Yes, if we have aspirations then we need to sign players that can help fulfill them. Football transfers have gone a bit strange, with teams spending money on fees when they hadn't done so for years. I'm sure there are players who could do the job.

At the moment we have one veteran left sided centre half, who is winding down his career, I think we can sign someone to come in a take Hanlon's place as a regular starter, on the budget we have.

[hibbyfraelibby]

It’s been 9 months since he returned from injury and he’s now had a full pre-season where he has played a lot of minutes - surely he’s back to fitness now?
You every suffered from Long Covid? Wasn't just his 8njury thats held him back.

[Stuart93]

They have been confirmed as Development squad as you say, however that doesn't stop them from playing for the first team.

I for one would not be surprised to see Daz playing tomorrow at Livingston.

Playing? Jeez, in place of who? Shows how much we’re still needing a CB in the door if that’s the case

[HIBS NUTS]

Which is why he only got 45 minutes...this is his pre-season

The reason i stated the 45 minutes against brechin, is because some fans have him starting against livingston.
I think we both agree that he isn’t ready yet.👍🏻

[Hibiza]

This.

On top of that, I've not seen anything from the other strikers to suggest they're any better.

C'mon Winston , Youan is miles better and really to see the rest , Christian in my humble should realise it's time to move on .

[superfurryhibby]

C'mon Winston , Youan is miles better and really to see the rest , Christian in my humble should realise it's time to move on .

Why should Doidge want to move on? He likes Hibs , is settled and will surely believe that at the age of 30 he has plenty to offer.

I'm not a massive fan of Doidge, but feel he's done enough at Hibs to be given the chance to show he can return to form and fitness. At his best he is an asset to this side. Can he get back to that level ?

[Since452]

We won't get a player of higher ability being content with a place on the bench. With Doidge's situation with his girlfriend, i think he's fairly happy with that. Doesn't want to move.

[CapitalGreen]

You every suffered from Long Covid? Wasn't just his 8njury thats held him back.

Christian Doidge said back on July 10th, “I’m fully fit and ready to go”, however perhaps with your medical expertise you know better than the player himself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cgew7g2kl42o

[GreenGray]

We won't get a player of higher ability being content with a place on the bench. With Doidge's situation with his girlfriend, i think he's fairly happy with that. Doesn't want to move.

I’d hope we would, his ability seems to have gone unfortunately. And as for his girlfriend, footballers have to move from family regularly.


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[CapitalGreen]

We won't get a player of higher ability being content with a place on the bench. With Doidge's situation with his girlfriend, i think he's fairly happy with that. Doesn't want to move.

One of our highest earning players being content to sit on the bench for the next 2 years isn’t a good thing.

[Smartie]

I like Doidge, but I like him in a pair and it seems like we're not going to play that way.

Whilst we clearly have a lot of handy players, some very good ones, I'm still not sure how we get a cohesive unit from middle to front that is genuinely going to hurt teams.

[Hibernian Verse]

One of our highest earning players being content to sit on the bench for the next 2 years isn’t a good thing.

Is Doidge one of our highest earners now? I'd imagine he was when he first signed but can't imagine he's near the top of the scale now.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Christian Doidge said back on July 10th, “I’m fully fit and ready to go”, however perhaps with your medical expertise you know better than the player himself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cgew7g2kl42o

So 5 weeks on he's back up to speed and sharpness after a year out? Next you'll be telling me Maggenis will hit the ground running against Der Horde next week.

Fitness and match sharpness after a serious physical injury and a long illness return slowly they do not just switch on

[CapitalGreen]

Is Doidge one of our highest earners now? I'd imagine he was when he first signed but can't imagine he's near the top of the scale now.

He signed a new contract less than a year ago. Even if he’s not at the top it will still be a significant wage for a player to not be contributing.

[CapitalGreen]

So 5 weeks on he's back up to speed and sharpness after a year out? Next you'll be telling me Maggenis will hit the ground running against Der Horde next week.

Fitness and match sharpness after a serious physical injury and a long illness return slowly they do not just switch on

Sorry you’ve lost me. Christian Doidge says he is fully fit and ready to go, is he lying?

[ancient hibee]

Sorry you’ve lost me. Christian Doidge says he is fully fit and ready to go, is he lying?
Players always say they’re ready especially if they want to be picked.

[badabing67]

Off topic but does Livi have the game ppv tomorrow

[Hibernian Verse]

Off topic but does Livi have the game ppv tomorrow

No league games are PPV this season

[badabing67]

No league games are PPV this season

If you use a vpn can you see the game on hibs TV from uk

[HoboHarry]

One of our highest earning players being content to sit on the bench for the next 2 years isn’t a good thing.
You know this to be his mindset? Or you just made that up?

[Trinity Hibee]

No PPV but game is on bbc Alba at 6

[Hibernian Verse]

If you use a vpn can you see the game on hibs TV from uk

I've got a firestick but the clubs aren't offering official ppv

[badabing67]

No PPV but game is on bbc Alba at 6

People were watching/streaming the STJ game the were on STJ TV they were talking about it on hibs.net match update thread must be able to see it some where

[badabing67]

I've got a firestick but the clubs aren't offering official ppv

That will be official for UK but overseas can purchase events so if u have a vpn can u purchase the event on hibs TV from UK is what I am asking

[CapitalGreen]

You know this to be his mindset? Or you just made that up?

I replied to a poster who said Doidge was content to sit on the bench. I said it wouldn’t be a good thing if this was the case.

[SHODAN]

If you use a vpn can you see the game on hibs TV from uk

And curiously enough Hibs have a partnership with a VPN.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Sorry you’ve lost me. Christian Doidge says he is fully fit and ready to go, is he lying?
Evidence would suggest the contrary.

Has he has recovered from his physical injury? Yes
Has he fully recovered from Covid? Questionable

No-one is lying or calling him a liar. He certainly doesnt appear frim games he's taken place in to have reached his former performance and stamina levels, and he's certainly ring rusty.

Maggenis is probably "fully fit" doing gym work whilst injured.

It depends how you define "fit" and against what you measure it. I am fully fit but not elite athlete fully fit. I would argue Doidge still has a bit to go to get tgere and until he does his sharpness is blunted. Boyler is fully fit but was by his own admission blowing out his @rse at the end on Sunday and he'd only has 6 weeks off not 48 like Doidge.

[CapitalGreen]

And curiously enough Hibs have a partnership with a VPN.

I don’t think there is anything curious about it at all, it’s not Hibs rules that are preventing them streaming the game in the UK.

[badabing67]

And curiously enough Hibs have a partnership with a VPN.

Right hush hush 🤭. NordVPN it is then 😉

[Trinity Hibee]

People were watching/streaming the STJ game the were on STJ TV they were talking about it on hibs.net match update thread must be able to see it some where

Well yes, the fact the game is on alba should mean a stream can be found online but not legitimately.

[GreenGray]

Evidence would suggest the contrary.

Has he has recovered from his physical injury? Yes
Has he fully recovered from Covid? Questionable

No-one is lying or calling him a liar. He certainly doesnt appear frim games he's taken place in to have reached his former performance and stamina levels, and he's certainly ring rusty.

Maggenis is probably "fully fit" doing gym work whilst injured.

It depends how you define "fit" and against what you measure it. I am fully fit but not elite athlete fully fit. I would argue Doidge still has a bit to go to get tgere and until he does his sharpness is blunted. Boyler is fully fit but was by his own admission blowing out his @rse at the end on Sunday and he'd only has 6 weeks off not 48 like Doidge.

How can you be sure he’s just never going to get fully fit again? And this is the best we’re going to get from him? He’s certainly had long enough now. He’s had a full pre season too so I’d be worried if he still wasn’t fit now.

You mention Boyle but at least he affected the game.


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[B.H.F.C]

Evidence would suggest the contrary.

Has he has recovered from his physical injury? Yes
Has he fully recovered from Covid? Questionable

No-one is lying or calling him a liar. He certainly doesnt appear frim games he's taken place in to have reached his former performance and stamina levels, and he's certainly ring rusty.

Maggenis is probably "fully fit" doing gym work whilst injured.

It depends how you define "fit" and against what you measure it. I am fully fit but not elite athlete fully fit. I would argue Doidge still has a bit to go to get tgere and until he does his sharpness is blunted. Boyler is fully fit but was by his own admission blowing out his @rse at the end on Sunday and he'd only has 6 weeks off not 48 like Doidge.

Slight exaggeration to say Doidge has had 48 weeks off. In terms of contribution to the team, maybe, but not from a fitness perspective.

His Covid issue was at the start of last pre season and he came back from that to start the season well before his injury. Nobody was talking about his Covid recovery then.

His injury has definitely impacted him but we can’t just wait and wait and wait on him maybe finding some form. He’s going to toil for games so getting any form of sharpness is going to be an issue.

[Hibiza]

He signed a new contract less than a year ago. Even if he’s not at the top it will still be a significant wage for a player to not be contributing.

:top marks no

[superfurryhibby]

Evidence would suggest the contrary.

Has he has recovered from his physical injury? Yes
Has he fully recovered from Covid? Questionable

No-one is lying or calling him a liar. He certainly doesnt appear frim games he's taken place in to have reached his former performance and stamina levels, and he's certainly ring rusty.

Maggenis is probably "fully fit" doing gym work whilst injured.

It depends how you define "fit" and against what you measure it. I am fully fit but not elite athlete fully fit. I would argue Doidge still has a bit to go to get tgere and until he does his sharpness is blunted. Boyler is fully fit but was by his own admission blowing out his @rse at the end on Sunday and he'd only has 6 weeks off not 48 like Doidge.

Doidge was out from late August-end of November 2021? How's he had 48 weeks off?

[Hibiza]

:top marks no

Soz. There was no no.

[badabing67]

I have one more qu? for Diclonius can the game tomorrow be purchased as ppv event for a international user or do u have to be an international subscriber on hibs TV to view the event

[SHODAN]

I have one more qu? for Diclonius can the game tomorrow be purchased as ppv event for a international user or do u have to be an international subscriber on hibs TV to view the event

International subscribers will get it, no idea re PPV.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Slight exaggeration to say Doidge has had 48 weeks off. In terms of contribution to the team, maybe, but not from a fitness perspective.

His Covid issue was at the start of last pre season and he came back from that to start the season well before his injury. Nobody was talking about his Covid recovery then.

His injury has definitely impacted him but we can’t just wait and wait and wait on him maybe finding some form. He’s going to toil for games so getting any form of sharpness is going to be an issue.

My bad, sums were never strong point. You ard correct and I'v just been an erse again. [nothing unusual in that before anyone comments]🙄🙄🙄