Summer 2022-23 transfer thread

[MWHIBBIES]

I think that’s the thing. He’s played a lot of games now since he was last playing like he can. There comes a point where you have to say that he seems to be unable to find that form again at Hibs and if he can’t find it, he’s not good enough.

I’m a massive Doidge fan. But if he starts the season poorly then I think we need to see if we can move him on before the end of the window with a replacement lined up because on the form he showed for the last 7 months of the season, he’s not good enough.

Tbh, no one is good enough based on that. Maloney was a dreadful manager

[J-C]

We would probably benefit from sending some of these guys out on loan to trim numbers, likes of Delfereirrre, hauge and McClelland would probably reap the benefits from playing regular competitive men's football. That's why I don't agree with the development squad as they aren't even in a league or playing competive football not sure how it helps their development.


These guys will be playing development games and if they continue to play well, they'll force their way into the 1st team plans.

[MWHIBBIES]

These guys will be playing development games and if they continue to play well, they'll force their way into the 1st team plans.

If they play well in the friendlies and the league cup, they should be in the first team. It's a blank slate right now, nothing to say they're not good enough to get in our side.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Doidge on form is our best striker. If he can't refind that fine, but he's absolutely good enough. Proven it before.

A Nisbet on form is our best striker. Though it seems to get a tune out of Nisbet we need an in form Doidge.

Don’t think the club should be letting Doidge go anywhere. He will be better with a pre season in him and can be eased in now we have alternatives

[MWHIBBIES]

A Nisbet on form is our best striker. Though it seems to get a tune out of Nisbet we need an in form Doidge.

Don’t think the club should be letting Doidge go anywhere. He will be better with a pre season in him and can be eased in now we have alternatives

Disagree, think Doidge offers more. Holds it up and even when not scoring causes havoc.

[JammyDoidger]

These guys will be playing development games and if they continue to play well, they'll force their way into the 1st team plans.

I'm just unsure how that is going to work, a taste of the first team then back into development games, is there even a league? Basically friendlys? Rather get them out on loan and have teams paying most of their wages but that's just me.

[Since452]

Disagree, think Doidge offers more. Holds it up and even when not scoring causes havoc.

He offers something different. A brilliant option to have. I think the only way he'll leave is if he wants to start every week. Not convinced he will under LJ. I'd love him to stay and hope he does

[brog]

Doidge on form is our best striker. If he can't refind that fine, but he's absolutely good enough. Proven it before.

You've said this about 100 times without any evidence to support it. Doidge was awful last season and he showed nothing in Portugal. I think we need to expect life without him going forward.

[MWHIBBIES]

You've said this about 100 times without any evidence to support it. Doidge was awful last season and he showed nothing in Portugal. I think we need to expect life without him going forward.

His first 2 seasons are the evidence mate.

[500miles]

I think that’s the thing. He’s played a lot of games now since he was last playing like he can.

No he's not.

[andrew70]

His first 2 seasons are the evidence mate.

No amount of hyperbole from you will ever raise Doidge from being a poor man’s Chris Killen.

[Northernhibee]

No amount of hyperbole from you will ever raise Doidge from being a poor man’s Chris Killen.

33 goals and 10 assists in 111 appearances. Considering a fair few of those were him settling in and recovering from injury it's a good return. He doesn't need to be compared to anyone else, he's a decent player in his own right.

[MWHIBBIES]

No amount of hyperbole from you will ever raise Doidge from being a poor man’s Chris Killen.

Great. Killen was a very good player. Really not the insult you think it is.

[bingo70]

33 goals and 10 assists in 111 appearances. Considering a fair few of those were him settling in and recovering from injury it's a good return. He doesn't need to be compared to anyone else, he's a decent player in his own right.

Is that a good return? I wouldn’t have thought so but not sure how it compares to other strikers we’ve had.

[andrew70]

33 goals and 10 assists in 111 appearances. Considering a fair few of those were him settling in and recovering from injury it's a good return. He doesn't need to be compared to anyone else, he's a decent player in his own right.

Poor return all in all. He’s a player who we will easily replace.

[B.H.F.C]

Is that a good return? I wouldn’t have thought so but not sure how it compares to other strikers we’ve had.

I think it’s a reasonable return for a player of his type and ability.

But over half the goals were in his first season. He’s not the player he was back then and far more likely to go on a long run without a goal than he is to go on a run of scoring for me.

[King Cosell]

Is that a good return? I wouldn’t have thought so but not sure how it compares to other strikers we’ve had.

Doidge scores 1 in 3, Kenny Dalglish scored 1 in 3 for Liverpool.

[MWHIBBIES]

Poor return all in all. He’s a player who we will easily replace.

It's extremely good return for a target man type. It's also not all starts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No he's not.

He made 20 appearances after he came back from injury. He scored 0 goals. He didn’t even manage an assist and in those games the general consensus is that he offered next to nothing.

You can dress it up however you like but that is utterly abysmal and actually worse than I even thought it was.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Tbh, no one is good enough based on that. Maloney was a dreadful manager

Our defence was pretty decent under Maloney so it’s not really the case that nobody was good enough.

You’re really reaching now in your defence of Doidge by blaming it on Maloney. He was crap under Gray as well.

He was absolutely miles away from being good enough after he came back from injury and all the stuff you suggest he’s good at other than scoring goals in terms of causing havoc etc he wasn’t doing either.

A striker with 0 goals and 0 assists and next to no impact in 20 games isn’t causing havoc as you suggest he does.

[The Modfather]

It's extremely good return for a target man type. It's also not all starts.

His goals return is diminishing though. 13 in the league in his first season, 7 the next and 2 last season. His all round game, while good when on form, isn’t at the level to mitigate his decreasing goal return IMO.

[brog]

His first 2 seasons are the evidence mate.
He wasn't our best striker in either of those seasons.

[ian cruise]

I'm just unsure how that is going to work, a taste of the first team then back into development games, is there even a league? Basically friendlys? Rather get them out on loan and have teams paying most of their wages but that's just me.

Problem with sending them on loan is if we have an injury hit season like last year then they're unavailable. Additionally they could end up like Mackay and Tait and not playing.

Sounds like Development team players are training with first team but playing their own games so if we need them, they're there and available however by playing the Dev team games they're not lacking match fitness unlike situations in the past with players like Allan (appreciate not Dev team age) where they were really lacking match fitness when we needed them.

Yeah it means we're playing their wages but we've budgeted for that, plus we seem to be building a good cohesive team spirit so nice to have them part of that and building relationships within the first team.

[Stevie Reid]

He wasn't our best striker in either of those seasons.

Who was better than Doidge in the season that he scored 19 goals in 39 games?

[MWHIBBIES]

Our defence was pretty decent under Maloney so it’s not really the case that nobody was good enough.

You’re really reaching now in your defence of Doidge by blaming it on Maloney. He was crap under Gray as well.

He was absolutely miles away from being good enough after he came back from injury and all the stuff you suggest he’s good at other than scoring goals in terms of causing havoc etc he wasn’t doing either.

He started 1 match with Gray in charge, against Dundee, his first start after injury. So yes, I'll quite easily say Maloney played a big part in it.

[ian cruise]

He made 20 appearances after he came back from injury. He scored 0 goals. He didn’t even manage an assist and in those games the general consensus is that he offered next to nothing.

You can dress it up however you like but that is utterly abysmal and actually worse than I even thought it was.

I'm a fan of Doidge and I'd love him to recapture his scoring form and have a part to play however if Youan and Melkerson continue to grow and perform then he's going to struggle to get in to the team. Then it's up to him if he's happy to wait for opportunity or if he'd prefer to go and be guaranteed a start

[MWHIBBIES]

He wasn't our best striker in either of those seasons.

He ****ing definitely was in his first year. Not even close

[Paulie Walnuts]

He started 1 match with Gray in charge, against Dundee, his first start after injury. So yes, I'll quite easily say Maloney played a big part in it.

He was never anywhere close to good enough when coming off the bench to stake a claim to start a game.

I love Doidge, but there’s absolutely no defending him last season after he came back. He was abysmal and absolutely nowhere near the required standard.

If he can’t get up to the level required before the end of the window and we can move him on then we should.

[MWHIBBIES]

He was never anywhere close to good enough when coming off the bench to stake a claim to start a game.

I love Doidge, but there’s absolutely no defending him last season after he came back. He was abysmal and absolutely nowhere near the required standard.

He was poor, I've said that. You don't need to make things up to make it seem worse. He wasn't dreadful under Gray was he? Because he was injured for 5 of the 7 games Gray managed.

Quite clear Doidges problem is fitness and form. His quality is in absolutely no doubt.

[Stevie Reid]

Our defence was pretty decent under Maloney so it’s not really the case that nobody was good enough.

You’re really reaching now in your defence of Doidge by blaming it on Maloney. He was crap under Gray as well.

He was absolutely miles away from being good enough after he came back from injury and all the stuff you suggest he’s good at other than scoring goals in terms of causing havoc etc he wasn’t doing either.

A striker with 0 goals and 0 assists and next to no impact in 20 games isn’t causing havoc as you suggest he does.

It wasn’t 20 games though - his minutes played after injury amounted to nine full matches, spread across six months. Had a horrible injury and then a couple of managers who decided not to just let him get games under his belt.

I agree that the signs in his performances were not good, but there were real mitigating circumstances there - returning from injury and then only getting minutes here and there is not conducive to getting back to full fitness.

Has contributed more than enough in his time here to warrant a shot after a full preseason. If he truly no longer has it, he will be moved on. Was delighted when he signed that new contract last season, and will be gutted if he can’t get back to how he was before.

[ian cruise]

He was poor, I've said that. You don't need to make things up to make it seem worse. He wasn't dreadful under Gray was he? Because he was injured for 5 of the 7 games Gray managed.

Quite clear Doidges problem is fitness and form. His quality is in absolutely no doubt.

Main issue he has is it seems to take him a while to find both. Even before the injuries while at Hibs he went for a long spell getting in good positions but nothing was working for him. He was absolutely snatching at stuff instead of retaining his composure.

Granted once he got one he kept getting in to positions to score but with how close the Scottish league is these days we can't really afford him the time to get up to speed each season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He was poor, I've said that. You don't need to make things up to make it seem worse. He wasn't dreadful under Gray was he? Because he was injured for 5 of the 7 games Gray managed.

Quite clear Doidges problem is fitness and form. His quality is in absolutely no doubt.

What on earth have I made up?

I didn’t even mention David Grays games so I’ve no idea what you’re on about? :faf:

His quality wasn’t in any doubt. After his injury it is absolutely in doubt as his quality hasn’t been there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It wasn’t 20 games though - his minutes played after injury amounted to nine full matches, spread across six months. Had a horrible injury and then a couple of managers who decided not to just let him get games under his belt.

I agree that the signs in his performances were not good, but there were real mitigating circumstances there - returning from injury and then only getting minutes here and there is not conducive to getting back to full fitness.

Has contributed more than enough in his time here to warrant a shot after a full preseason. If he truly no longer has it, he will be moved on. Was delighted when he signed that new contract last season, and will be gutted if he can’t get back to how he was before.

It was 20 games… I’m not sure how that can really be debated. 20 different matches with different opponents, team mates, at different stadiums, different weather conditions.

Scott Allan rarely used to complete 90 minutes yet we don’t sit here, add up all his minutes, divide them by 90 then declare he made less appearances for Hibs than he did.

Unfortunately football can’t rely on sentiment. We need strikers to be succesful. If Doidge can’t show he can get back to form before the end of the window then he should be moved on if possible and replaced imo. By that point he’ll have had 9 games on top of the 20 last season to show what he can still do.

[Stevie Reid]

It was 20 games… I’m not sure how that can really be debated.

Scott Allan rarely used to complete 90 minutes yet we don’t sit here, add up all his minutes, divide them by 90 then declare he made less appearances for Hibs than he did.

Unfortunately football can’t rely on sentiment. We need strikers to be succesful. If Doidge can’t show he can get back to form before the end of the window then he should be moved on if possible and replaced imo. By that point he’ll have had plenty games to show what he can do.

It can be debated quite easily. Doidge was off the bench for most of his appearances last season. Seven of them he was on the park for nine minutes or less - you seriously going to call that seven games?

As for Scott Allan, given that he would start the vast majority of games, and then play the vast majority of minutes, it’s a pretty bad analogy.

Doidge didn’t play 20 games after his injury. He made 20 appearances.

[SaulGoodman]

Any signing rumours?

[500miles]

He made 20 appearances after he came back from injury. He scored 0 goals. He didn’t even manage an assist and in those games the general consensus is that he offered next to nothing.

You can dress it up however you like but that is utterly abysmal and actually worse than I even thought it was.

He played 690 minutes in that period, 7 and a half games worth. He was coming back from an achillies tear, months earlier than anticipated, and which ended up being too much and finishing his season early.

It's not dressing it up, it's context and it's really important when managers make decisions. Maybe you didn't have access to the more detailed stats, but you're coming across as totally disingenuous and try to prove a point.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It can be debated quite easily. Doidge was off the bench for most of his appearances last season. Seven of them he was on the park for nine minutes or less - you seriously going to call that seven games?

As for Scott Allan, given that he would start the vast majority of games, and then play the vast majority of minutes, it’s a pretty bad analogy.

Doidge didn’t play 20 games after his injury. He made 20 appearances.

Of course I’m going to call it 7 games.. because it was 7 different games he played in :confused:

You’re claiming minutes not spent on the pitch take away from the amount of games someone has played but then deciding you only want it to be that way when it suits you. It’s not that the analogy is bad, it’s that it’s bad for your logic.

[brog]

He ****ing definitely was in his first year. Not even close

So now it's one season? More than 2 years ago! He scored 19 goals, 6 against lower league opposition. He didn't score in his 1st 10 league games, he had 2 purple patches and he's scored 9 league goals since then. I love him for his effort but he's a limited player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He played 690 minutes in that period, 7 and a half games worth. He was coming back from an achillies tear, months earlier than anticipated, and which ended up being too much and finishing his season early.

It's not dressing it up, it's context and it's really important when managers make decisions. Maybe you didn't have access to the more detailed stats, but you're coming across as totally disingenuous and try to prove a point.

Since when did we start adding up minutes and dividing them by 90 to decide how many games players have played? Everybody is going to be taking a fair hit on the amount of games they’ve played throughout their career with this new method.

Regardless of how many games he played/minutes he played, Doidge was worse in all of the following metrics upon return from his injury:
Goals, expected goals, shots, shot assists, dribbling attempts, touches in the box, fouls committed, fouls won, recoveries and interceptions per 90 minutes. And then ignoring statistics, we could all see with our own eyes he was miles off what he used to be.

Also, Doidge had an ankle injury that ended his season, not his Achilles.

He was miles off it last season after his injury and had plenty time to show something positive but didn’t. We’ve got 9 competitive games before the end of the transfer window. Again, plenty time to show something positive. Hopefully he does and he goes on to contribute well this season. If he doesn’t though then it’s time to part ways imo with our only other striker proven at this level out until Christmas we could do with getting another in.

[04Sauzee]

Any signing rumours?

Still after a CB and a body in the forward area. Doesn't want to leave us short in the CB area as an injury can leave you short. Forward had to be the right player or wait until Jan. Bojang hopefully with us soon

[Stevie Reid]

Of course I’m going to call it 7 games.. because it was 7 different games he played in :confused:

The Scott Allan analogy isn’t bad at all. You’re claiming minutes not spent on the pitch take away from the amount of games someone has played but then deciding you only want it to be that way when it suits you.

That’s not my point and I think you’re well aware of that. Starting a game and making appearances from the bench are two very different things.

Simply stating that a striker hasn’t scored in 20 games when the majority of those appearances were off the bench (and seven of them barely add up to more than a half of football) doesn’t tell the whole story at all.

I agree that he has to prove his worth again - and that he’ll need to be moved on if he doesn’t before the end of August. But I take issue with how you are characterising last season.

His limited time on the pitch after injury was far from promising, no doubt. But you’re presenting it in a fashion to make it seem much worse.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That’s not my point and I think you’re well aware of that. Starting a game and making appearances from the bench are two very different things.

Simply stating that a striker hasn’t scored in 20 games when the majority of those appearances were off the bench (and seven of them barely add up to more than a half of football) doesn’t tell the whole story at all.

I agree that he has to prove his worth again - and that he’ll need to be moved on if he doesn’t before the end of August. But I take issue with how you are characterising last season.

His limited time on the pitch after injury was far from promising, no doubt. But you’re presenting it in a fashion to make it seem much worse.

The fact so many of those appearances were off the bench tell a story in itself. He never put in a performance close to good enough to suggest he shouldn’t be back on the bench for the next match.

If we’re going to start scrubbing short appearances from peoples records then I’ve got to say id be getting rid of Doidge and bringing in James Scott - 7 full league games worth of minutes, 4 goals and 1 assist!

[Stevie Reid]

The fact so many of those appearances were off the bench tell a story in itself. He never put in a performance close to good enough to suggest he shouldn’t be back on the bench for the next match.

If we’re going to start scrubbing short appearances from peoples records then I’ve got to say id be getting rid of Doidge and bringing in James Scott - 7 full league games worth of minutes, 4 goals and 1 assist!

I agree with the second part of your first paragraph. But again, I think he was in a very difficult position, coming back from a very bad injury and playing a bit part in a side that then struggled for the remainder of the season, and had very little attacking ambition.

I’m not talking about scrubbing appearances at all, merely making the point that the length of time spent on the park in an appearance is really quite important when discussing the productivity of a centre forward. But again, I think you are well aware of that.

Anyway, I know that this is the transfer rumours thread and this has been a serious diversion - I’ve said all I want to say about Christian.

Fingers crossed he can get back to his best.

[SaulGoodman]

Still after a CB and a body in the forward area. Doesn't want to leave us short in the CB area as an injury can leave you short. Forward had to be the right player or wait until Jan. Bojang hopefully with us soon

Cheers sounds good

[RyeSloan]

The fact so many of those appearances were off the bench tell a story in itself. He never put in a performance close to good enough to suggest he shouldn’t be back on the bench for the next match.

If we’re going to start scrubbing short appearances from peoples records then I’ve got to say id be getting rid of Doidge and bringing in James Scott - 7 full league games worth of minutes, 4 goals and 1 assist!

I actually probably quite closely align with your views on Doidge but c’mon you must accept that limited time off the bench appearances cannot be equated to ‘games’ when used in the context of ‘he scored x in 20 games’.

That statement quite clearly indicates a player has played a substantial part in those games not just appeared for a few minutes at the end.

But either way he was crap when he returned and, for me, was often close to crap on plenty of occasions before.

That’s not to say he didn’t have runs of form and could look pretty handy in quite a few games while working his socks off but in all honesty I’m not sure any of that would be so hard to replace.

[CapitalGreen]

The fact so many of those appearances were off the bench tell a story in itself. He never put in a performance close to good enough to suggest he shouldn’t be back on the bench for the next match.

If we’re going to start scrubbing short appearances from peoples records then I’ve got to say id be getting rid of Doidge and bringing in James Scott - 7 full league games worth of minutes, 4 goals and 1 assist!

Between 29/01/22 and 05/03/22, Doidge started 5 of our 8 league matches and in another came on after 26 minutes. The reason his minutes played since injury were low is because he kept getting subbed off early because of his ineffectiveness not because he was only having cameos off the bench. Is it a any coincidence that during the 2 preason friendlies we’ve had so far, our best attacking play has occurred when he’s not been on the pitch.

[OldEast]

Disagree, think Doidge offers more. Holds it up and even when not scoring causes havoc.

Nisbet is by far the more natural goal scorer but Doidge has different and better abilities as you say. I'm just not too sure if he fits into Lee Johnson's style of play. We'll see.

[MWHIBBIES]

What on earth have I made up?

I didn’t even mention David Grays games so I’ve no idea what you’re on about? :faf:

His quality wasn’t in any doubt. After his injury it is absolutely in doubt as his quality hasn’t been there.


Our defence was pretty decent under Maloney so it’s not really the case that nobody was good enough.

You’re really reaching now in your defence of Doidge by blaming it on Maloney. He was crap under Gray as well.

He was absolutely miles away from being good enough after he came back from injury and all the stuff you suggest he’s good at other than scoring goals in terms of causing havoc etc he wasn’t doing either.

A striker with 0 goals and 0 assists and next to no impact in 20 games isn’t causing havoc as you suggest he does.

Am I dreaming here?

[Dmas]

Nisbet is by far the more natural goal scorer but Doidge has different and better abilities as you say. I'm just not too sure if he fits into Lee Johnson's style of play. We'll see.

Better abilities than Nisbet?

Doidge got us a decent amount of goals before his injury but he’s never had any football about him, Nisbets link up play is miles ahead of Doidge, Doidge is a menace because of his heading ability that’s about the end of it outside of 18yard box and we need to hope and pray it’s the right time of the year when it falls to him inside the box as well.

He seems a great big guy and absolutely no doubting his work ethic but I fail to see how we can’t get better than him should he leave.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Am I dreaming here?

Ah ok I meant in the post you were replying to.

Regardless, to say his quality isn’t in doubt simply isn’t true for pretty much anyone other than yourself. His quality is hugely in doubt as he’s no longer showing it.

Shefki Kuqi had quality way above our level at one point. He lost it though and wasn’t good enough here. Having quality previously doesn’t mean you’ll have it forever.

Doidge has had plenty opportunities to show he still has the quality and hasn’t taken them. Hopefully he either shows it in the 9 games before the end of the window or he’s moved on and replaced.

[Libby Hibby]

Doidge plays for Hibs so he will always get my support. Is he the same player as before his injury? Probably not but with a full pre-season in him and a new management team full of attacking ideas, then he might just have his best season since arriving here.

Who knows?

There is no need for the persistent willy measuring contest between posters on all subjects. This place was nice for a few days there.

[theonlywayisup]

Still after a CB and a body in the forward area. Doesn't want to leave us short in the CB area as an injury can leave you short. Forward had to be the right player or wait until Jan. Bojang hopefully with us soon

Would like to see a goal scorer from midfield, someone who you know will score around 10 goals a season for you. A Pat McGinlay type player.

[bigwheel]

Would like to see a goal scorer from midfield, someone who you know will score around 10 goals a season for you. A Pat McGinlay type player.

We’ve got him, unfortunately he has been hammered with injuries….


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[MWHIBBIES]

Ah ok I meant in the post you were replying to.

Regardless, to say his quality isn’t in doubt simply isn’t true for pretty much anyone other than yourself. His quality is hugely in doubt as he’s no longer showing it.

Shefki Kuqi had quality way above our level at one point. He lost it though and wasn’t good enough here. Having quality previously doesn’t mean you’ll have it forever.

Doidge has had plenty opportunities to show he still has the quality and hasn’t taken them. Hopefully he either shows it in the 9 games before the end of the window or he’s moved on and replaced.

Doidge should be given a genuine fair chance, not sub appearances under a dreadful manager after a brutal injury and covid. If he is still struggling and cannot recapture his previous form, then yes, he'll be moved on. This really isn't some Doidge specific statement, though. If pretty much everyone except Porteous plays like they did last season, they'll be punted.

When Doidge has played under a good manager at Hibs, hes done very well.

[MWHIBBIES]

Better abilities than Nisbet?

Doidge got us a decent amount of goals before his injury but he’s never had any football about him, Nisbets link up play is miles ahead of Doidge, Doidge is a menace because of his heading ability that’s about the end of it outside of 18yard box and we need to hope and pray it’s the right time of the year when it falls to him inside the box as well.

He seems a great big guy and absolutely no doubting his work ethic but I fail to see how we can’t get better than him should he leave.

That is just way underplaying Doidges ability. Really not true. Out of the 2 of them, Doidge holds the ball up and brings others into play far better. Also defends from the front far better.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Doidge should be given a genuine fair chance, not sub appearances under a dreadful manager after a brutal injury and covid. If he is still struggling and cannot recapture his previous form, then yes, he'll be moved on. This really isn't some Doidge specific statement, though. If pretty much everyone except Porteous plays like they did last season, they'll be punted.

When Doidge has played under a good manager at Hibs, hes done very well.

He played the majority of 6 out of 8 games under Maloney at one point. So it wasn’t all sub appearances or a few minutes here and there as some have suggested. He got a decent run of games at one point and didn’t deliver.

He should be given a chance before the window closes, I agree. If he doesn’t take it though then he should be moved on imo.

[theonlywayisup]

We’ve got him, unfortunately he has been hammered with injuries….


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I did say "someone who you know will score around 10 goals a season for you". Kyle Magennis has only scored 11 goals since 2016 in 109 games, so I'd rather rely on someone who has a more proven track record. Pat McGinlay was 91 goals from 431 games.

[OldEast]

Better abilities than Nisbet?

Doidge got us a decent amount of goals before his injury but he’s never had any football about him, Nisbets link up play is miles ahead of Doidge, Doidge is a menace because of his heading ability that’s about the end of it outside of 18yard box and we need to hope and pray it’s the right time of the year when it falls to him inside the box as well.

He seems a great big guy and absolutely no doubting his work ethic but I fail to see how we can’t get better than him should he leave.

The clue was in the word different

[ian cruise]

Would like to see a goal scorer from midfield, someone who you know will score around 10 goals a season for you. A Pat McGinlay type player.

I'm very confident you'll see Henderson and JDH with close to 10 each this season. Both looked better the last few games and have started pre season well. Looks like Johnson is encouraging them to be more positive in their play and to have a dig if they think the shot is on.

[McGruber]

Would like to see a goal scorer from midfield, someone who you know will score around 10 goals a season for you. A Pat McGinlay type player.

Yeah, me too. Magennis would be that guy if was ever fit. McGeady could be that guy if he plays central. Henderson looking sharper in pre season could add goals. Another centre mid you could hang your hat on for goals would be good though. Also still think we are missing the snarling leader type in there. A Pat McGinlay and a Scott Brown/Graham Shinnie type.

Carrying too much CMs as it is though so some out first

[McGruber]

I'm very confident you'll see Henderson and JDH with close to 10 each this season. Both looked better the last few games and have started pre season well. Looks like Johnson is encouraging them to be more positive in their play and to have a dig if they think the shot is on.

10 goals for JDH!! That would be something else.... I'm in

[RyeSloan]

I did say "someone who you know will score around 10 goals a season for you". Kyle Magennis has only scored 11 goals since 2016 in 109 games, so I'd rather rely on someone who has a more proven track record. Pat McGinlay was 91 goals from 431 games.

10 goals in a season from a central midfielder is a pretty tough task.

Unless we are set up specifically to allow said midfield to get an above average chance of scoring I don’t think we should be expecting those types of figures from anyone.

Would be delighted of course if we could magic up a midfield that was each scoring 10+ goals in a season but even in the top leagues in the world you rarely see central mids chipping in with those figures season in season out.

[BSEJVT]

Bald men fighting over a comb on this thread I think.

Comparing Nisbet and Doidge is about as futile as comparing either against Marshall

They are 2 entirely different players whose only similarity is they both play in forward positions for Hibs

[Tambo]

Johnson says he would love a Boyle return but really can't see it also Keatings has joined forfar.

[Smartie]

I’m not convinced I can see either Doidge or Nisbet fitting into the way Johnson wants to play.

Melkerson and Youan have been impressive so far and I’m not sure either of those 2 offer quite the same.

They both deserve an opportunity though, as do all of the central midfielders and I wouldn’t rule out any of them making it.

[Johnny_Leith]

I’m not convinced I can see either Doidge or Nisbet fitting into the way Johnson wants to play.

Melkerson and Youan have been impressive so far and I’m not sure either of those 2 offer quite the same.

They both deserve an opportunity though, as do all of the central midfielders and I wouldn’t rule out any of them making it.

Johnson is pretty convinced nisbet will fit in as he's tried.to sign him previously.

[Unseen work]

The Nisbet we had the first 6 months is perfect for this style. He pressed absolutely everything and was really aggressive, he’d also run in behind and drift out wide.

Started sulking after he never got his move and his game changed quite a bit but started coming back under Maloney.

Johnson will get the best out of him again.

[Spudster]

Started sulking after he never got his move and his game changed quite a bit but started coming back under Maloney.


He also had zero competition for his place to keep him on his toes.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Also thought he needed rested, didn’t look as fit as he was. Sometimes happens when players start going away on International breaks when they had previously had a week off

[ian cruise]

10 goals for JDH!! That would be something else.... I'm in

I did say close to, not 10. While I'd love to see it too I'm thinking nearer 7 or 8.

[Rumble de Thump]

He also had zero competition for his place to keep him on his toes.

He had nobody to replace him if he was tired, injured or out of form. And also no striker to play up front with him.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm very confident you'll see Henderson and JDH with close to 10 each this season. Both looked better the last few games and have started pre season well. Looks like Johnson is encouraging them to be more positive in their play and to have a dig if they think the shot is on.

No sure we’ll see those kind of numbers from them but we need the midfielders collectively, to chip in. If we just got to the point where the like of JDH, Newell and Henderson were chipping in with 4, 5, 6 goals each it would make a huge difference.

[MWHIBBIES]

No sure we’ll see those kind of numbers from them but we need the midfielders collectively, to chip in. If we just got to the point where the like of JDH, Newell and Henderson were chipping in with 4, 5, 6 goals each it would make a huge difference.

Indeed.

I think there is a reason McGinley is so often mentioned. He was unique. You really don't get many midfielders getting that many goals. Even at the very highest level. But getting 5 each from Newell, henderson, jdh and maybe mcgeady is the difference between 3rd and 6th. We'd be absolutely laughing if we can get 20 goals from midfielders this season

[Paulie Walnuts]

No sure we’ll see those kind of numbers from them but we need the midfielders collectively, to chip in. If we just got to the point where the like of JDH, Newell and Henderson were chipping in with 4, 5, 6 goals each it would make a huge difference.

Agree. Newell has played 102 games for Hibs and has 3 goals, 1 in each of his seasons.

JDH scored 2 in 1 game but other than that he never even threatened to score.

If we can get around 20 goals out of Newell, JDH, Henderson, Campbell, mcGeady, Taveres, Kenneh and hopefully one more to come in then we would pretty much be guaranteed top 6. It shouldn’t be a huge ask for most of them.

[Allant1981]

Aaron hickey signing for brentford

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Aaron hickey signing for brentford

14M plus add ons. Wonder how much Hearts are entitled to?

[Aldo]

14M plus add ons. Wonder how much Hearts are entitled to?

Wonder how much Celtic are due? Sure they’ve got a stake in this too!


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[flash]

Aaron hickey signing for brentford

Which could open the door for Doig to go there apparently.

[SHODAN]

Aaron hickey signing for brentford

Thought he was going to Arsenal?

[Northernhibee]

Thought he was going to Arsenal?

Better move for Hickey IMO. Likely end up a first team starter there and have a real chance to show what he does.

[Allant1981]

Thought he was going to Arsenal?

Yip read that a wee while back but apparently all sorted now for him to sign with brentford according to an italian journalist

[jacomo]

Johnson is pretty convinced nisbet will fit in as he's tried.to sign him previously.


Sweet.

It’s great for any player to know they have the confidence of the manager, but particularly for KN I think.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thought he was going to Arsenal?

Was nothing in it. Unless Charlie Watts or David Ornstein say it, its not happening when it comes to Arsenal. Was more their fans linking him and some crap sources, probably on the back of Tierneys success there.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Indeed.

I think there is a reason McGinley is so often mentioned. He was unique. You really don't get many midfielders getting that many goals. Even at the very highest level. But getting 5 each from Newell, henderson, jdh and maybe mcgeady is the difference between 3rd and 6th. We'd be absolutely laughing if we can get 20 goals from midfielders this season

McGinley was far from unique, he did something so simple that no forward thinking midfielder anywhere has to be world class to replicate it .... make a run into the bloody box, I seem to have spent season after season after season bemoaning the fact that Hibs just never seem to see it as an attribute any of our midfield players should have ... it says everything that Magennis was our equal 3rd top scorer with 4 goals on the back of a mere handful of games, simply because he was the first midfield player we've had for ages who seemed to think getting himself into the box was a good idea.

Look at Hearts last season, practically every one of their midfield players got on the score sheet and it wasn't hard to see why, when they get the ball into the final third their midfield is there backing up the forwards in or around the box, they absolutely pile forward, something that Hibs didn't do with anything like the same intensity, something that our new manager seems more than willing to change.

[MWHIBBIES]

McGinley was far from unique, he did something so simple that no forward thinking midfielder anywhere has to be world class to replicate it .... make a run into the bloody box, I seem to have spent season after season after season bemoaning the fact that Hibs just never seem to see it as an attribute any of our midfield players should have ... it says everything that Magennis was our equal 3rd top scorer with 4 goals on the back of a mere handful of games, simply because he was the first midfield player we've had for ages who seemed to think getting himself into the box was a good idea.

Look at Hearts last season, practically every one of their midfield players got on the score sheet and it wasn't hard to see why, when they get the ball into the final third their midfield is there backing up the forwards in or around the box, they absolutely pile forward, something that Hibs didn't do with anything like the same intensity, something that our new manager seems more than willing to change.

McGinley scored over 100 career goals, it takes a bit more than running into the box to do that, or else everyone would be doing it. Yes, we should be encouraging them to do it more, but timing, reading of the game, losing your man and finishing is not some easy skillset. Also requires someone to cover you for the 9 other times it doesn't result in a goal.

[Aldo]

McGinley was far from unique, he did something so simple that no forward thinking midfielder anywhere has to be world class to replicate it .... make a run into the bloody box, I seem to have spent season after season after season bemoaning the fact that Hibs just never seem to see it as an attribute any of our midfield players should have ... it says everything that Magennis was our equal 3rd top scorer with 4 goals on the back of a mere handful of games, simply because he was the first midfield player we've had for ages who seemed to think getting himself into the box was a good idea.

Look at Hearts last season, practically every one of their midfield players got on the score sheet and it wasn't hard to see why, when they get the ball into the final third their midfield is there backing up the forwards in or around the box, they absolutely pile forward, something that Hibs didn't do with anything like the same intensity, something that our new manager seems more than willing to change.

Indeed NN! If we can get him fit I think Magennis could be a similar type player for us. Showed at the start of the season (before injury) what he could do!


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[NAE NOOKIE]

McGinley scored over 100 career goals, it takes a bit more than running into the box to do that, or else everyone would be doing it. Yes, we should be encouraging them to do it more, but timing, reading of the game, losing your man and finishing is not some easy skillset. Also requires someone to cover you for the 9 other times it doesn't result in a goal.

I'm not saying all his goals were the result of runs into the box to get on the end of a cross or loose ball. Pat could run with the ball as well and scored a few great goals doing that. So far as someone covering for you that kind of goes without saying, there's no doubt pushing midfielders up into the final third is a risk and reward strategy, but its that lack of risk I'm talking about as the very reason our midfield for the most part is bereft of goals, because they so rarely take that risk.

It's certainly one of the reasons Maloney's team had a pretty decent defensive record, whenever we gave the ball up we usually had most of our midfield behind it because they weren't up the park supporting the attack.

[superfurryhibby]

I'm not saying all his goals were the result of runs into the box to get on the end of a cross or loose ball. Pat could run with the ball as well and scored a few great goals doing that. So far as someone covering for you that kind of goes without saying, there's no doubt pushing midfielders up into the final third is a risk and reward strategy, but its that lack of risk I'm talking about as the very reason our midfield for the most part is bereft of goals, because they so rarely take that risk.

It's certainly one of the reasons Maloney's team had a pretty decent defensive record, whenever we gave the ball up we usually had most of our midfield behind it because they weren't up the park supporting the attack.

You're right. If McGinley didn't make runs in support of his strikers, sometimes beyond them, he simply wouldn't have contributed with a regular goal threat.

Our midfield has been so risk averse, no doubt in part linked to the game plan of our recent managers and the rise of overly cautious football. It's boring as **** to watch and drives folk away from football.

[worcesterhibby]

McGinley was far from unique, he did something so simple that no forward thinking midfielder anywhere has to be world class to replicate it .... make a run into the bloody box, I seem to have spent season after season after season bemoaning the fact that Hibs just never seem to see it as an attribute any of our midfield players should have ... it says everything that Magennis was our equal 3rd top scorer with 4 goals on the back of a mere handful of games, simply because he was the first midfield player we've had for ages who seemed to think getting himself into the box was a good idea.

Look at Hearts last season, practically every one of their midfield players got on the score sheet and it wasn't hard to see why, when they get the ball into the final third their midfield is there backing up the forwards in or around the box, they absolutely pile forward, something that Hibs didn't do with anything like the same intensity, something that our new manager seems more than willing to change.

he wasn’t unique, but he was pretty exceptional. In the Scottish top flight across 370 matches he scored every 5.2 games. That’s on a par with Cesc Fabrigas and David Silva, who are in the top 20 top flight goal scorers of all time in England ! Kevin De Bruyn averages 4.3… only really Steve G and Lampard do better than that.

[StevesFamau5]

Hickey gets the big money move to...... Brentford. 14 million deal plus add ons.

Not sure how much the Yams get though.

[truehibernian]

Hickey gets the big money move to...... Brentford. 14 million deal plus add ons.

Not sure how much the Yams get though.

Around £2 million - of which they’re about to waste a large portion of it on Shankland 😊

[04Sauzee]

Jack Ross confident about securing Levitt.

[Dazzjw1875]

What happened the chat about LJ saying to the fans we have agreed deals a CB and Winger? Is it true? And any ideas who?

[Aldo]

Around £2 million - of which they’re about to waste a large portion of it on Shankland [emoji4]

Do Celtic get another percentage of this?? I know they get a percentage from the initial fee?


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[NAE NOOKIE]

Around £2 million - of which they’re about to waste a large portion of it on Shankland 😊

Just don't know about Shankland, he could work out for them, or could be an utter waste of time and money like GMS was, his record in Belgium suggests the latter. but his record at Ayr Utd and Dundee Utd is impressive and if he can replicate that he'll be a great signing for them if he does go there. 26 years old so definitely not on our radar :greengrin

[number9dream]

Jack Ross confident about securing Levitt.

Looks a real talent. Not sure what Man Utd would get from another loan though. Are Dundee Utd paying a fee for a permanent deal?

[truehibernian]

What happened the chat about LJ saying to the fans we have agreed deals a CB and Winger? Is it true? And any ideas who?

Guy I know reckons a couple of Scottish clubs have enquired about a young centre half Luke Mbete from Man City - he’s a City fan. Seems very young for what we need in that position but who knows, seems to be left sided which we need.

[Smartie]

Jack Ross confident about securing Levitt.

I got my hopes up when I read that message at first, only to remember that we’re already on our second manager since Jack Ross!

[jacomo]

I got my hopes up when I read that message at first, only to remember that we’re already on our second manager since Jack Ross!


:greengrin

[tamig]

Around £2 million - of which they’re about to waste a large portion of it on Shankland 😊

Do you know that for sure? I’ve read that they have a fixed price built into it - and that’s meant to be significantly lower than if they’d negotiated a percentage sell-on clause - like most normal clubs do.

[Del Boy]

I got my hopes up when I read that message at first, only to remember that we’re already on our second manager since Jack Ross!

Haha, be an outstanding signing for United if they can get him back

[Fergus52]

Look at Hearts last season, practically every one of their midfield players got on the score sheet and it wasn't hard to see why, when they get the ball into the final third their midfield is there backing up the forwards in or around the box, they absolutely pile forward, something that Hibs didn't do with anything like the same intensity, something that our new manager seems more than willing to change.

Halliday scored a few goals for them but beningame, Devlin, mceneff and haring all only scored one each.

None of their starting central midfielders did what you say really. Beningame, Devlin and haring were the usual centre mids and all of them liked to sit deep even when hearts were in possession

[Tyler Durden]

Halliday scored a few goals for them but beningame, Devlin, mceneff and haring all only scored one each.

None of their starting central midfielders did what you say really. Beningame, Devlin and haring were the usual centre mids and all of them liked to sit deep even when hearts were in possession

Correct.

Hearts mainly played the same 3-4-3 system that Maloney favoured and it’s simply not set up for the 2 central midfielders to get in the box and score. So it’s pointless people criticising Newell or JDH for lack of goals last year.

This season we should be a different beast and you’d expect 2 of the 3 centre midfielders to be getting into the box and contributing on the goals front.

[Hibernian Verse]

Correct.

Hearts mainly played the same 3-4-3 system that Maloney favoured and it’s simply not set up for the 2 central midfielders to get in the box and score. So it’s pointless people criticising Newell or JDH for lack of goals last year.

This season we should be a different beast and you’d expect 2 of the 3 centre midfielders to be getting into the box and contributing on the goals front.

But the Hearts midfield got 10 goals each…

[badabing67]

Jack Ross confident about securing Levitt.

I heard that. I also heard the Leigh Griffiths interview its make or break time for him, i think he will make an interesting signing for someone this season.

[Iain G]

Cristiano Ronaldo looking for a move, could he do a job for us? 😁

[Green Reaper]

Cristiano Ronaldo looking for a move, couple he do a job for us? 😁

way too old 😬

[tonyrougier123]

James Lawrence free agent CB no idea if we are in for him,
Played mostly abroad also capped by wales.
Played for st Pauli in Germany.29 good age.
Might look to get himself in contention for World Cup with a move back to britain.

[04Sauzee]

Guy I know reckons a couple of Scottish clubs have enquired about a young centre half Luke Mbete from Man City - he’s a City fan. Seems very young for what we need in that position but who knows, seems to be left sided which we need.
Pretty well thought of at City,been in their match day squads on a few occasions and played in the league cup against Wycombe.

[St Pauli Hibee]

James Lawrence free agent CB no idea if we are in for him,
Played mostly abroad also capped by wales.
Played for st Pauli in Germany.29 good age.
Might look to get himself in contention for World Cup with a move back to britain.

Think I can speak to this one having seen him live a few times aswell as on the TV on a near weekly basis. He is a good solid centre half who I think would be a 1st choice for Hibs. Left footed aswell which is what I feel we could really do with. I don't think he would come to Hibs however as he has played on the continent for pretty much his whole playing career & is seemingly looking at going back to Belgium or staying in Germany.

[Dmas]

Hickey to Brentford for £14m, could Bologna come in for Doig? They got Hickey last year of his contract I think would they be willing to meet what we’re after for him with him under contract for another few years?

[thebausburst]

I got my hopes up when I read that message at first, only to remember that we’re already on our second manager since Jack Ross!

Reportedly 300K fee, surely we should be all over this ✍️

[Heisenberg]

Reportedly 300K fee, surely we should be all over this ✍️

He’s a very good player at this level but we’ve already got loads of midfielders. Would need to get a few out and the issue is most of them have very long contracts. I would like another new face in there but probably won’t happen.

[GloryGlory]

Reportedly 300K fee, surely we should be all over this ✍️

https://twitter.com/Record_Sport/status/1543512254674571265

Yep - if he is available on a perm at £300k then Hibs should be looking at a deal.

[Just_Jimmy]

He’s a very good player at this level but we’ve already got loads of midfielders. Would need to get a few out and the issue is most of them have very long contracts. I would like another new face in there but probably won’t happen.Is he better than most if not all of what we have? If the answer is yes, then get him in.

If we can't offer more in a whole package than Dundee Utd we're in bother.

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[Smartie]

Is he better than most if not all of what we have? If the answer is yes, then get him in.

If we can't offer more in a whole package than Dundee Utd we're in bother.

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I don’t think it’s that we necessarily can’t put together a bigger package than Dundee Utd - but rather we already have a big chunk of our budget tied up on already contracted players, with no guarantee that any of them would want to be forced to move on.

[Nicho87]

I wouldn’t pay 300k on him personally

Would rather it went on a centre half or centre forward

[CapitalGreen]

Reportedly 300K fee, surely we should be all over this ✍️

£300k would be an absolute steal.

[Greenworld]

£300k would be an absolute steal.If we have that money spare I would be putting it to a package to extend ryan portious contract

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[04Sauzee]

Killie looking to get Jordan Jones on loan.

[CapitalGreen]

If we have that money spare I would be putting it to a package to extend ryan portious contract

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Ryan has been offered multiple very good packages to extend, we can’t just pause all over transfer business on the remote possibility that he might extend.

[jacomo]

He’s a very good player at this level but we’ve already got loads of midfielders. Would need to get a few out and the issue is most of them have very long contracts. I would like another new face in there but probably won’t happen.


If Kenneh is unavailable or rested and Magennis not fit we are back to the same options we had last season. We need another for central midfield imo, maybe Josh Campbell needs to go out on loan.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Kenneh is unavailable or rested and Magennis not fit we are back to the same options we had last season. We need another for central midfield imo, maybe Josh Campbell needs to go out on loan.

Agree.

Kenneh can’t be the only addition to the centre of last seasons midfield.

[Heisenberg]

If Kenneh is unavailable or rested and Magennis not fit we are back to the same options we had last season. We need another for central midfield imo, maybe Josh Campbell needs to go out on loan.

I agree with that but just don’t see it. We’ve not been linked with signing another for that area and LJ has only mentioned recently another centre half and forward player.

[Conj]

Anybody heard anything about who the CB might be?

[Hibernian Verse]

Agree.

Kenneh can’t be the only addition to the centre of last seasons midfield.

Delferriere looks to be an addition to the first team setup and has played in Kenneh's position in the friendlies.

[JohnM1875]

We'll have Kenneh, Delferrière, Magennis, Newell, JDH, Hendo and Campbell that can all play in the middle. Just can't see us going for another central mid.

[Stuart93]

If Bologna are wanting Doig to replace Hickey I wouldn’t accept anything less than 3.5/4m. Especially if they’re looking to turn a profit like they have with Hickey

[neil7908]

We'll have Kenneh, Delferrière, Magennis, Newell, JDH, Hendo and Campbell that can all play in the middle. Just can't see us going for another central mid.

Agreed but Kenneh and Delferriere are untested at this level, Magennis' fitness is a massive question mark and Campbell is not good enough imo. So that leaves JDH, Hendo and Newell. I'd love another body in there and Levitt is tried and tested at this level.

[inglisavhibs]

If Kenneh is unavailable or rested and Magennis not fit we are back to the same options we had last season. We need another for central midfield imo, maybe Josh Campbell needs to go out on loan.
Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

[Stuart93]

Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

I hope we’re not in a position where we’re relying on Campbell next season tbh. Just don’t see it with him unfortunately. Be happy to be proved wrong this season but I don’t think he’s up to the standard we need

[inglisavhibs]

If Kenneh is unavailable or rested and Magennis not fit we are back to the same options we had last season. We need another for central midfield imo, maybe Josh Campbell needs to go out on loan.
Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

[bingo70]

Agree.

Kenneh can’t be the only addition to the centre of last seasons midfield.

Nobody was more critical of last seasons midfield than me so what you say is hard to argue with. The only thing I’d say is I’m happy to be open minded in that the same players could potentially offer much more than they did last season being asked to play a different way.

For the most part last season our midfield were being asked to keep the ball and had no obvious outlet other than play it sideways or back the way.

Going into next season, if the likes of JDH and Newell are told they have someone like Kennah behind them so they can bombs forward much more I can believe we could see another side to them. If Kennah struggles the same could apply but with JDH or Newell in that deeper position. There’s now obvious attacking out balls in the wings for them.

Essentially the same midfield could be a lot better than it was last season even if it has much of the same personnel.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

Why rightly so?

He didn’t look good enough last season imo or even close to being good enough.

The main thing he’s got going for him is that he’s still young, a loan would be the best move for all parties imo.

[bingo70]

Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

Nobody knows that, not even him.

[Billy Whizz]

Nobody knows that, not even him.

Unless he’s been told by the Manager, he’s in his plans

[inglisavhibs]

If Kenneh is unavailable or rested and Magennis not fit we are back to the same options we had last season. We need another for central midfield imo, maybe Josh Campbell needs to go out on loan.
Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

[Iain G]

Why rightly so?

He didn’t look good enough last season imo or even close to being good enough.

The main thing he’s got going for him is that he’s still young, a loan would be the best move for all parties imo.

New manager, new way of playing so a fresh start for everyone is only fair. I think he will do well with th right coaching and positive support

[inglisavhibs]

Why rightly so?

He didn’t look good enough last season imo or even close to being good enough.

The main thing he’s got going for him is that he’s still young, a loan would be the best move for all parties imo.
Neither did any of our midfield. I’ll leave it to the manager to decide. He was the only central midfielder who made genuine attempts to run in behind defences and get in the box last season. He’s a big strong boy who likes the physical side of the game and hopefully his performance in Portugal is a sign of things to come. Like most of our players he needs to show improvement. If he goes out on loan now it means his career at Hibs is all but over. That won’t happen.

[H18 SFR]

Dylan Levitt could be available on a permanent transfer for £300k, with Dundee United leading the race for the Manchester United midfielder. (Sun - print edition)

I think we need to seriously look into this.

[RyeSloan]

Why rightly so?

He didn’t look good enough last season imo or even close to being good enough.

The main thing he’s got going for him is that he’s still young, a loan would be the best move for all parties imo.

Don’t see him being loaned and while he struggled at times last season the experience will have done him the power of good.

I think he’s a quality player and has many strong attributes that, with the right set up and coaching, has the potential to come to the fore this season.

But we need to be testing him at first team level again at Hibs this year. Just punting him to lower leagues after making so many appearances for us last season would be pointless.

We are often clamouring to give our youth a chance and it’s through exposure to games and the first team that the chance is given. Campbell should get that chance this year in a more settled environment and a call made after that….here’s hoping he kicks on and we can all rave about another home grown player making it for us.

[Allant1981]

Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

He needs to be a lot better than last season if he wants to stay, he was no where near the standard we require

[brog]

If Kenneh is unavailable or rested and Magennis not fit we are back to the same options we had last season. We need another for central midfield imo, maybe Josh Campbell needs to go out on loan.

Josh is 22, he made his 1st team debut 3 seasons ago and has been on loan already at 3 different clubs. I don't see another loan as being beneficial. He's either good enough or he's not, I trust LJ to make that decision.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Josh is 22, he made his 1st team debut 3 seasons ago and has been on loan already at 3 different clubs. I don't see another loan as being beneficial. He's either good enough or he's not, I trust LJ to make that decision.

Surely depends what level the loan is at? If someone like Kilmarnock, St J or RC fancied him then that would suit everybody imo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nobody was more critical of last seasons midfield than me so what you say is hard to argue with. The only thing I’d say is I’m happy to be open minded in that the same players could potentially offer much more than they did last season being asked to play a different way.

For the most part last season our midfield were being asked to keep the ball and had no obvious outlet other than play it sideways or back the way.

Going into next season, if the likes of JDH and Newell are told they have someone like Kennah behind them so they can bombs forward much more I can believe we could see another side to them. If Kennah struggles the same could apply but with JDH or Newell in that deeper position. There’s now obvious attacking out balls in the wings for them.

Essentially the same midfield could be a lot better than it was last season even if it has much of the same personnel.

Thing is, Newell hasn’t showed any real ability going forward in his 3 seasons at Hibs. It’s not something that JDH has looked comfortable doing at Hibs either and his stats before he came here would suggest he’s been similar elsewhere.

I’m not sure it’s a case of them being stifled by Maloney or JR. I just don’t think they’re attack minded players and I’d rather sign someone who has proven they have that in them than hope that players who haven’t shown anything to suggest they’re capable of it suddenly find that ability from somewhere.

[Stuart93]

Don’t see him being loaned and while he struggled at times last season the experience will have done him the power of good.

I think he’s a quality player and has many strong attributes that, with the right set up and coaching, has the potential to come to the fore this season.

But we need to be testing him at first team level again at Hibs this year. Just punting him to lower leagues after making so many appearances for us last season would be pointless.

We are often clamouring to give our youth a chance and it’s through exposure to games and the first team that the chance is given. Campbell should get that chance this year in a more settled environment and a call made after that….here’s hoping he kicks on and we can all rave about another home grown player making it for us.

I genuinely have no idea how someone could’ve watched campbell last season and think he’s a quality player.

Feel like I’m missing something with him. Another poster also said he made runs in behind the oppositions defence? Whenever I watched him he hid behind opposition players and didn’t look like he wanted to pick the ball up.

Unless there’s huge improvement this season, he just doesn’t look good enough. Unsure how he can be described as “a quality player”

[bigwheel]

I genuinely have no idea how someone could’ve watched campbell last season and think he’s a quality player.

Feel like I’m missing something with him. Another poster also said he made runs in behind the oppositions defence? Whenever I watched him he hid behind opposition players and didn’t look like he wanted to pick the ball up.

Unless there’s huge improvement this season, he just doesn’t look good enough. Unsure how he can be described as “a quality player”

I honestly don’t think Campbell sees himself as a quality player . Will view himself as a good utility player..can play a number of positions ..will have been surprised by how many starts he got . Could see him Moving out on loan this season .

[oneone73]

I genuinely have no idea how someone could’ve watched campbell last season and think he’s a quality player.

Feel like I’m missing something with him. Another poster also said he made runs in behind the oppositions defence? Whenever I watched him he hid behind opposition players and didn’t look like he wanted to pick the ball up.

Unless there’s huge improvement this season, he just doesn’t look good enough. Unsure how he can be described as “a quality player”
Were you at the League Cup semi? Or the 0-0 against Celtic at ER? Josh was excellent in both

[JimBHibees]

Were you at the League Cup semi? Or the 0-0 against Celtic at ER? Josh was excellent in both

Agree think he definitely has potential and suffered as much if not more than other players with our poor showing last season. Wouldn't be surprised if he was much better this season. He is a young player and needs a bit of patience

[tonyrougier123]

I see Josh Campbell as one of the best midfielders we have at the club.
It’s clear on here anyway, a good few people mostly the same ones who got tore into him last season on here, still won’t give the laddie a break.
He provided assists,scored and generally when he got a run in the team from starts we conceded less goals.
I think lee Johnson will utilise him well this coming season,I’m sure the doubters would love to be proved wrong?

[MWHIBBIES]

I see Josh Campbell as one of the best midfielders we have at the club.
It’s clear on here anyway, a good few people mostly the same ones who got tore into him last season on here, still won’t give the laddie a break.
He provided assists,scored and generally when he got a run in the team from starts we conceded less goals.
I think lee Johnson will utilise him well this coming season,I’m sure the doubters would love to be proved wrong?

I'd love to be proved wrong, absolutely.

But he is really poor. Shouldn't be near the side based on last season, at least as a central midfielder. May offer something elsewhere.

[SquashedFrogg]

I'd love to be proved wrong, absolutely.

But he is really poor. Shouldn't be near the side based on last season, at least as a central midfielder. May offer something elsewhere.

Based on last season you could bin at least half the team. I'll hold off judging the laddie until he plays in a decent Hibs side.

[Stuart93]

I see Josh Campbell as one of the best midfielders we have at the club.
It’s clear on here anyway, a good few people mostly the same ones who got tore into him last season on here, still won’t give the laddie a break.
He provided assists,scored and generally when he got a run in the team from starts we conceded less goals.
I think lee Johnson will utilise him well this coming season,I’m sure the doubters would love to be proved wrong?

He isnt one of the best midfielders we have at the club. In fact out of all first team midfielders he’d be near the bottom of the pack for me.

I’m not sticking the boot in, I just don’t rate him and clearly don’t see what other posters seem to see in him.

[tonyrougier123]

Think I can speak to this one having seen him live a few times aswell as on the TV on a near weekly basis. He is a good solid centre half who I think would be a 1st choice for Hibs. Left footed aswell which is what I feel we could really do with. I don't think he would come to Hibs however as he has played on the continent for pretty much his whole playing career & is seemingly looking at going back to Belgium or staying in Germany.

I was hoping you would be able to provide the lowdown on this centre back.
Seems from what you say might be out of our reach then.

[RyeSloan]

I genuinely have no idea how someone could’ve watched campbell last season and think he’s a quality player.

Feel like I’m missing something with him. Another poster also said he made runs in behind the oppositions defence? Whenever I watched him he hid behind opposition players and didn’t look like he wanted to pick the ball up.

Unless there’s huge improvement this season, he just doesn’t look good enough. Unsure how he can be described as “a quality player”

Fair enough. As I said some of his performances last season were indeed poor but on the flip side I also think he has shown in some games he can put in a performance.

All players are different and I think Josh was struggling a bit last season on the conference front and got a wee bit lost at times, esp. with Maloney’s tactics and how he was being asked to play.

So being a half glass full type I reckon he does have the quality and will improve his consistency and prove the doubters wrong!

Either way I think he deserves his chance to prove that at Hibs and putting him on loan would be the wrong thing to do at this stage.

[Stuart93]

Fair enough. As I said some of his performances last season were indeed poor but on the flip side I also think he has shown in some games he can put in a performance.

All players are different and I think Josh was struggling a bit last season on the conference front and got a wee bit lost at times, esp. with Maloney’s tactics and how he was being asked to play.

So being a half glass full type I reckon he does have the quality and will improve his consistency and prove the doubters wrong!

Either way I think he deserves his chance to prove that at Hibs and putting him on loan would be the wrong thing to do at this stage.

And I hope he does prove us wrong but for me if we’re in a position where we’re having to consistently rely on him again, we’re not in a good place.

[MWHIBBIES]

Based on last season you could bin at least half the team. I'll hold off judging the laddie until he plays in a decent Hibs side.

Of course, but the others who were poor like Newell, Nisbet, Doidge, Hanlon etc have proven their quality before. They are aiming to get back to form. Campbell is aiming to actually show something, which IMO he never has.

[tonyrougier123]

He isnt one of the best midfielders we have at the club. In fact out of all first team midfielders he’d be near the bottom of the pack for me.

I’m not sticking the boot in, I just don’t rate him and clearly don’t see what other posters seem to see in him.
For you that is mate,not for everyone.your not in a minority in your opinion.
His endeavour to chase the ball and break up play brought a few unfortunate episodes of play I seen that as well,but i think he was maybe overly keen at times to cover the whole pitch.
I think a few on here should give the laddie a clean slate for the coming season and gauge how it goes,I’ll be honest my opinion is it feels on here,whilst I get the need to get your point across a bit full on for Campbell to fail in a hibs top in order to be proved right.
Let’s see how he stacks up this season or if another manager gives him a run in the team.
He was as good as JDH or Newell for me last season.
But as we know last season was below par for most of the squad.

[Allant1981]

I see Josh Campbell as one of the best midfielders we have at the club.
It’s clear on here anyway, a good few people mostly the same ones who got tore into him last season on here, still won’t give the laddie a break.
He provided assists,scored and generally when he got a run in the team from starts we conceded less goals.
I think lee Johnson will utilise him well this coming season,I’m sure the doubters would love to be proved wrong?

Josh campbell is no where near one of the best midfielders at the club, he scored 1 goal and only had 3 assists all season, if you think that makes him one of the best midfielders at the club then you clearly havent been watching us or him

[Stuart93]

For you that is mate,not for everyone.your not in a minority in your opinion.
His endeavour to chase the ball and break up play brought a few unfortunate episodes of play I seen that as well,but i think he was maybe overly keen at times to cover the whole pitch.
I think a few on here should give the laddie a clean slate for the coming season and gauge how it goes,I’ll be honest my opinion is it feels on here,whilst I get the need to get your point across a bit full on for Campbell to fail in a hibs top in order to be proved right.
Let’s see how he stacks up this season or if another manager gives him a run in the team.
He was as good as JDH or Newell for me last season.
But as we know last season was below par for most of the squad.

I’d like nothing more than him to prove me wrong and become one of the best midfielders at the club but claiming he’s currently at that point is well wide of the mark.

[Aldo]

For you that is mate,not for everyone.your not in a minority in your opinion.
His endeavour to chase the ball and break up play brought a few unfortunate episodes of play I seen that as well,but i think he was maybe overly keen at times to cover the whole pitch.
I think a few on here should give the laddie a clean slate for the coming season and gauge how it goes,I’ll be honest my opinion is it feels on here,whilst I get the need to get your point across a bit full on for Campbell to fail in a hibs top in order to be proved right.
Let’s see how he stacks up this season or if another manager gives him a run in the team.
He was as good as JDH or Newell for me last season.
But as we know last season was below par for most of the squad.

I don’t want any player to fail at Hibs but JC really does need to step it up and big time for me. Our midfield was pretty poor last season but stats will prove JC was nowhere near as good as JDH (who didn’t set the heather on fire). Barring a couple of games I thought JC (as did many others) hid in games, didn’t show for the ball etc.

We have seen what would appear to be different set of players, showing and wanting the ball. Change of management style, confidence etc plays a big part.

I’ll trust LJ and the rest of the management team when it comes to players! As for a clean slate, totally agree however he needs to step up and show what he can actually do and what he brings to the team!


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[ZitellZeTime]

Cristiano Ronaldo looking for a move, could he do a job for us? ��

Would take the huff with being the second best Portugese forward option at our club, plus we got the Melkman and Ronaldo always wants to be the main man

[tonyrougier123]

Josh campbell is no where near one of the best midfielders at the club, he scored 1 goal and only had 3 assists all season, if you think that makes him one of the best midfielders at the club then you clearly havent been watching us or him

How do they stats add up with his midfield team mates?
Newelll,JDH?
I think you’ll find it’s close between all 3 last season.

[ZitellZeTime]

For you that is mate,not for everyone.your not in a minority in your opinion.
His endeavour to chase the ball and break up play brought a few unfortunate episodes of play I seen that as well,but i think he was maybe overly keen at times to cover the whole pitch.
I think a few on here should give the laddie a clean slate for the coming season and gauge how it goes,I’ll be honest my opinion is it feels on here,whilst I get the need to get your point across a bit full on for Campbell to fail in a hibs top in order to be proved right.
Let’s see how he stacks up this season or if another manager gives him a run in the team.
He was as good as JDH or Newell for me last season.
But as we know last season was below par for most of the squad.

Nowhere near as good as Newell last season, I'm not saying Newell was great last season, he was below par a lot of the time but around every 5 games he looked class, then he would be below par again for the next few weeks.

Hopefully Campbell kicks on this season under a manager who gives trains them different, has a different style of play and look a different player possibly. He's being kept on so LJ see's something in him he likes I imagine, and not playing Maloneyball and wondering what position he is actually playing will help too I hope.

[OldEast]

Nowhere near as good as Newell last season, I'm not saying Newell was great last season, he was below par a lot of the time but around every 5 games he looked class, then he would be below par again for the next few weeks.

Hopefully Campbell kicks on this season under a manager who gives trains them different, has a different style of play and look a different player possibly. He's being kept on so LJ see's something in him he likes I imagine, and not playing Maloneyball and wondering what position he is actually playing will help too I hope.

I think we'll see a big improvement in many of our squad this year with the new manager and new tactics. Campbell, Newell and Doyle-Hayes in particular. We'll see goals from Campbell I'm sure.

[Fergus52]

Thing is, Newell hasn’t showed any real ability going forward in his 3 seasons at Hibs. It’s not something that JDH has looked comfortable doing at Hibs either and his stats before he came here would suggest he’s been similar elsewhere.

I’m not sure it’s a case of them being stifled by Maloney or JR. I just don’t think they’re attack minded players and I’d rather sign someone who has proven they have that in them than hope that players who haven’t shown anything to suggest they’re capable of it suddenly find that ability from somewhere.

Wouldn't want to rely on either of them for goalscoring but both of them have qualities that can be utilised in the final third.

Both are excellent passers, Doyle Hayes has a good engine for getting up and down the pitch, and Newell's close control in tight areas is top quality.

Just cause they're not the best finishers doesn't mean they can't be effective in more forward thinking midfield roles this season.

[HoboHarry]

Astonishing how many times I've seen this debate about Campbell. Seriously, do some you guys just live for the opportunity of repeating yourselves ad infinitum?

[jacomo]

Josh is 22, he made his 1st team debut 3 seasons ago and has been on loan already at 3 different clubs. I don't see another loan as being beneficial. He's either good enough or he's not, I trust LJ to make that decision.


Ok well he had a lot of playing time last season and I fear he isn’t going to cut it at Hibs, but of course the new gaffer will make the call on that.

[jacomo]

Delferriere looks to be an addition to the first team setup and has played in Kenneh's position in the friendlies.


Yes fair play.

I’ve seen little of him and what I did see wasn’t great, but maybe he will deliver the goods this season.

[04Sauzee]

Yes fair play.

I’ve seen little of him and what I did see wasn’t great, but maybe he will deliver the goods this season.

Are you judging him on his appearance against St Johnstone when he came on in 85 minutes or other game time?

[Hibiza]

£300k would be an absolute steal.

Definitely

[Hibiza]

Josh Campbell was a consistent passenger last season , truth be told . Hope he's either better this season or not here.

[GreenGray]

I see Josh Campbell as one of the best midfielders we have at the club.
It’s clear on here anyway, a good few people mostly the same ones who got tore into him last season on here, still won’t give the laddie a break.
He provided assists,scored and generally when he got a run in the team from starts we conceded less goals.
I think lee Johnson will utilise him well this coming season,I’m sure the doubters would love to be proved wrong?

I’d love to be wrong but I just don’t see it. Granted he can do a role in a game where hibs won’t have a lot of the ball but in the majority of games he hid and lacks any real technical ability. He probably wasn’t meant to be as many games as he did last season and got chucked in at the deep end.


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[Percy Vere]

Josh will be going nowhere, and rightly so.

That’s just plain annoying

[hibbyfraelibby]

Dylan Levitt could be available on a permanent transfer for £300k, with Dundee United leading the race for the Manchester United midfielder. (Sun - print edition)

I think we need to seriously look into this.

I don't

[04Sauzee]

United fans seem to be of the opinion that they will be signing Levitt, Shankland and Steven Fletcher this coming week

The talk is that the Belgian team are due Utd money which they are willing to write off .

Probably nonsense but they do seem to be getting excited about those potential singings.

[MWHIBBIES]

How do they stats add up with his midfield team mates?
Newelll,JDH?
I think you’ll find it’s close between all 3 last season.

Both are significantly better than Campbell, though.

[degenerated]

Astonishing how many times I've seen this debate about Campbell. Seriously, do some you guys just live for the opportunity of repeating yourselves ad infinitum?They need someone to boo next season. Me, I'm gonna boo the big screens.

[Smartie]

In amongst all the pish performances there were a few very good ones from Josh Campbell.

He looked brilliant in that game on Friday.

A clean slate will be good for him and I could still see him being useful for us.

If he doesn't appear to be cutting it then he can be moved on but I don't think we should hold last season - a difficult season - against him.

[Iain G]

They need someone to boo next season. Me, I'm gonna boo the big screens.

Thinking I may boo the opposition and may the ref and linesman, maybe worth giving that a try? 🤷🏻*♂️

[J-C]

Josh was a young lad thrown in at the deep end last season because Ross and then Maloney didn't strengthen in the midfield department, he should've been getting the odd 20-30 mins and regular cup games to gain experience and not be seen as a mainstay when he was nowhere near ready for it. By the looks of it he's had 2 pretty decent games over in Portugal, we also have a manager who is known for bringing on youngsters, lets give the lad a chance and wipe the slate clean from last season, it's a new start with a new manager. The amount of guys on here getting tore into a young Hibs player because he was rubbish last year is nuts, are you all forgetting the majority of that team was pants.

[Hibernian Verse]

Yes fair play.

I’ve seen little of him and what I did see wasn’t great, but maybe he will deliver the goods this season.

Watch the friendlies back

[Haymaker]

Astonishing how many times I've seen this debate about Campbell. Seriously, do some you guys just live for the opportunity of repeating yourselves ad infinitum?

Firm agree here

[Hibbyradge]

Josh was a young lad thrown in at the deep end last season because Ross and then Maloney didn't strengthen in the midfield department, he should've been getting the odd 20-30 mins and regular cup games to gain experience and not be seen as a mainstay when he was nowhere near ready for it. By the looks of it he's had 2 pretty decent games over in Portugal, we also have a manager who is known for bringing on youngsters, lets give the lad a chance and wipe the slate clean from last season, it's a new start with a new manager. The amount of guys on here getting tore into a young Hibs player because he was rubbish last year is nuts, are you all forgetting the majority of that team was pants.

As soon as some folk state an opinion, they'll stick with it regardless of explanations and evidence to the contrary.

When their point is proven to be wrong, they just go quiet about it or, in some cases, disappear for a while.

I remember being told that the reason Lewis Stevenson was so often in the game on the left, was that opponents were happy to let him have the ball because he was useless, or something to that effect.

Absolute drivel, of course, but I haven't seen anyone rescinding their comments.

Now it's Josh's turn to be written off prematurely. Such a shame. I don't think Josh had a great season, but neither did anyone, apart ironically for Lewis Stevenson who was as steady as he always is. However, if he's been picked by 3 different managers in 3 different sets of circumstances, then he's obviously got something about him.

[B.H.F.C]

As soon as some folk state an opinion, they'll stick with it regardless of explanations and evidence to the contrary.

When their point is proven to be wrong, they just go quiet about it or, in some cases, disappear for a while.

I remember being told that the reason Lewis Stevenson was so often in the game on the left, was that opponents were happy to let him have the ball because he was useless, or something to that effect.

Absolute drivel, of course, but I haven't seen anyone rescinding their comments.

Now it's Josh's turn to be written off prematurely. Such a shame. I don't think Josh had a great season, but neither did anyone, apart ironically for Lewis Stevenson who was as steady as he always is. However, if he's been picked by 3 different managers in 3 different sets of circumstances, then he's obviously got something about him.

He was picked by two managers that got the sack not long after. I don’t think the third will pick him nearly as often.

No saying it was his fault the two got sacked, but his selection was indicative of the poor standard of player in that area.

[HibeeMackenzie]

Campbell was absolutely outstanding in the league cup semi final, he undoubtedly had some poor games but there’s definitely a player in him.
It has worked against him that he was forced to play in every game due to a lack of options, most young players breaking through get to sit out a few games, young Josh Doig for example. Campbell is one of us and I’m sure the end of last season hurt him just as much as it did us and hopefully he’ll be able to play a part in a successful team this year

[Hibbyradge]

He was picked by two managers that got the sack not long after. I don’t think the third will pick him nearly as often.

No saying it was his fault the two got sacked, but his selection was indicative of the poor standard of player in that area.

He was actually picked by 3 managers, Heckingbottom gave him his debut, because they thought he was capable.

He was rewarded with a long term contract in 2021.

I think he will feature regularly under Johnson, even if not every week, and I think he will flourish.

[donno]

If Bologna are wanting Doig to replace Hickey I wouldn’t accept anything less than 3.5/4m. Especially if they’re looking to turn a profit like they have with HickeyTo be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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[MagicSwirlingShip]

So many folk seem hell bent on Campbell failing just so they can be proved right.

I hope he kicks on, by all accounts he was a good performer out in Portugal.

[bingo70]

So many folk seem hell bent on Campbell failing just so they can be proved right.

I hope he kicks on, by all accounts he was a good performer out in Portugal.

Really? I don’t see that at all with Campbell’s criticism, people are just judging him based on what they saw last season and discussing how much of an impact he’ll have this season. That’s the point of this website IMO.

I think Campbell was terrible last season and miles off the standard we will are looking for. I don’t think I need to qualify that by saying I hope he’s good this season, that goes without saying surely?! Even if he has a brilliant season this season, that doesn’t mean I was wrong about his performances last season.

I’ve also said though that LJ can get more out the current midfield than the managers got last season, that includes Campbell.

If I was a betting man I’d guess he won’t play much this season. Time will tell though.

[Brightside]

Everyone has a clean slate. Hopefully the fans will give them the same

[The Modfather]

As soon as some folk state an opinion, they'll stick with it regardless of explanations and evidence to the contrary.

When their point is proven to be wrong, they just go quiet about it or, in some cases, disappear for a while.

I remember being told that the reason Lewis Stevenson was so often in the game on the left, was that opponents were happy to let him have the ball because he was useless, or something to that effect.

Absolute drivel, of course, but I haven't seen anyone rescinding their comments.

Now it's Josh's turn to be written off prematurely. Such a shame. I don't think Josh had a great season, but neither did anyone, apart ironically for Lewis Stevenson who was as steady as he always is. However, if he's been picked by 3 different managers in 3 different sets of circumstances, then he's obviously got something about him.

Come on HR, there’s a constructive way to drag up old arguments. I was one of the people that thought teams definitely overloaded out right hand side as it nullified out main threat in Boyle. Without having to pay too much of a price at being short on our left. Lewis has always been a very good defender and willing runner but not a natural at going forward. Through no fault if his own he would often receive a switch of play, drive forward then invariably turn back or pass it square as he’s limited in the final third.

The biggest example of this, IMO, was the 3-1 derby where we lost to Stendels Hearts. Thinking teams set up to nullify one of our strengths and take a calculated gamble that they won’t then be exploited on the left as a result doesn’t have to equate to questioning Stevensons contribution or an outlandish analysis. If I was an opposition manager I’d set my team up to nullify Hibs’ right hand side and centrally and try and force everything through their left.

[Libby Hibby]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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[Aldo]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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I can’t work out whether your joking or being serious or annoyed he was let to leave for nowt and we will make millions!

You could at least make more of an effort!


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[Stuart93]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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Na that’s a load of tripe.

You’re at it

[The Spaceman]

Really? I don’t see that at all with Campbell’s criticism, people are just judging him based on what they saw last season and discussing how much of an impact he’ll have this season. That’s the point of this website IMO.

I think Campbell was terrible last season and miles off the standard we will are looking for. I don’t think I need to qualify that by saying I hope he’s good this season, that goes without saying surely?! Even if he has a brilliant season this season, that doesn’t mean I was wrong about his performances last season.

I’ve also said though that LJ can get more out the current midfield than the managers got last season, that includes Campbell.

If I was a betting man I’d guess he won’t play much this season. Time will tell though.

Spot on. He was horrendous last season and a key part of our woes. However, keen to see him go into a back-up role, develop behind the scenes and play in a new system.

Like all players on our books, they start with a clean slate this season for me.

[supermcginn]

Really? I don’t see that at all with Campbell’s criticism, people are just judging him based on what they saw last season and discussing how much of an impact he’ll have this season. That’s the point of this website IMO.

I think Campbell was terrible last season and miles off the standard we will are looking for. I don’t think I need to qualify that by saying I hope he’s good this season, that goes without saying surely?! Even if he has a brilliant season this season, that doesn’t mean I was wrong about his performances last season.

I’ve also said though that LJ can get more out the current midfield than the managers got last season, that includes Campbell.

If I was a betting man I’d guess he won’t play much this season. Time will tell though.
Great post.

[Hibbyradge]

Come on HR, there’s a constructive way to drag up old arguments. I was one of the people that thought teams definitely overloaded out right hand side as it nullified out main threat in Boyle. Without having to pay too much of a price at being short on our left. Lewis has always been a very good defender and willing runner but not a natural at going forward. Through no fault if his own he would often receive a switch of play, drive forward then invariably turn back or pass it square as he’s limited in the final third.

The biggest example of this, IMO, was the 3-1 derby where we lost to Stendels Hearts. Thinking teams set up to nullify one of our strengths and take a calculated gamble that they won’t then be exploited on the left as a result doesn’t have to equate to questioning Stevensons contribution or an outlandish analysis. If I was an opposition manager I’d set my team up to nullify Hibs’ right hand side and centrally and try and force everything through their left.

I couldn't remember who said that and I wasn't trying to drag up an old argument. I was giving an example of people sticking to their line even when the opposite was shown to be the case.

As I said, I don't want to regurgitate the argument so I'll refrain from countering your points.

[Hibbyradge]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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What a silly, pointless post.

I'm finding it difficult to understand why you decided to spend time typing that transparent nonsense.

It's not even credible enough to warrant an argument.

[tonyrougier123]

Really? I don’t see that at all with Campbell’s criticism, people are just judging him based on what they saw last season and discussing how much of an impact he’ll have this season. That’s the point of this website IMO.

I think Campbell was terrible last season and miles off the standard we will are looking for. I don’t think I need to qualify that by saying I hope he’s good this season, that goes without saying surely?! Even if he has a brilliant season this season, that doesn’t mean I was wrong about his performances last season.

I’ve also said though that LJ can get more out the current midfield than the managers got last season, that includes Campbell.

If I was a betting man I’d guess he won’t play much this season. Time will tell though.

There’s definitely a few on here jumping on any praise the laddie gets to push their views of him.
I think it happens when folk are staunch in their views I suppose.

[B.H.F.C]

He was actually picked by 3 managers, Heckingbottom gave him his debut, because they thought he was capable.

He was rewarded with a long term contract in 2021.

I think he will feature regularly under Johnson, even if not every week, and I think he will flourish.

Sorry, forgot Hecky gave him a couple of games against Stirling or whoever. So that’s three managers picking a player of that standard and losing their job shortly after then. Not saying for a minute he’s totally to blame for them losing their jobs, but if that’s the standard of player you look at for such an important position, you’re not going to last very long.

Don’t see him featuring with any regularity. He may do over the next few weeks but still think there will be changes to the squad that push him further out.

[JimBHibees]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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Thanks for giving us Josh much appreciated :aok:

[zitelli62]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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I can understand your not happy about no % sell on leviens fault no one else.

[shamo9]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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:tee hee: Made me burst out laughing. Good one :jamboclow

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Really? I don’t see that at all with Campbell’s criticism, people are just judging him based on what they saw last season and discussing how much of an impact he’ll have this season. That’s the point of this website IMO.

I think Campbell was terrible last season and miles off the standard we will are looking for. I don’t think I need to qualify that by saying I hope he’s good this season, that goes without saying surely?! Even if he has a brilliant season this season, that doesn’t mean I was wrong about his performances last season.

I’ve also said though that LJ can get more out the current midfield than the managers got last season, that includes Campbell.

If I was a betting man I’d guess he won’t play much this season. Time will tell though.

If Campbell goes on to have a decent season then folk who are clamouring for us to “get rid” will be wrong.

Like someone has said above, clean slate for all.

[hibee-boys]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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You clearly ‘donno’ what you’re talking about!

[Stuart93]

If Campbell goes on to have a decent season then folk who are clamouring for us to “get rid” will be wrong.

Like someone has said above, clean slate for all.

Yep we absolutely will be wrong and the majority of us with that opinion will be hoping we are. We all want hibs players to play well.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Yep we absolutely will be wrong and the majority of us with that opinion will be hoping we are. We all want hibs players to play well.

Good stuff fella, me too

[21sMay]

I was wrong about Fletcher signing on deadline day last season. We definitely tried under Maloney but seemed to not happen even though was told it was all but done. Happens I suppose .

Anyways... If we tie up the forward thinking midfielder I have been told about then we will all stop arguing about Josh Campbell being good enough

[Stuart93]

I was wrong about Fletcher signing on deadline day last season. We definitely tried under Maloney but seemed to not happen even though was told it was all but done. Happens I suppose .

Anyways... If we tie up the forward thinking midfielder I have been told about then we will all stop arguing about Josh Campbell being good enough

Is that because this forward thinking player coming in is really poor? Or because JC will be moved on or not get a game?

[Unseen work]

I was wrong about Fletcher signing on deadline day last season. We definitely tried under Maloney but seemed to not happen even though was told it was all but done. Happens I suppose .

Anyways... If we tie up the forward thinking midfielder I have been told about then we will all stop arguing about Josh Campbell being good enough

You heard a name?

[NAE NOOKIE]

To be brutal. Doig is not anywhere near the quality Hickey was when Bologna bought him.
Both footed, composed on the ball, can tackle, bring the ball forward, attack on the wing, cross a ball, and score.
They might gamble £500k in him, unfortunately no more.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to ........... Yaaaaaam of the week. Our first contestant is 'Donno'

What subjects are you hoping to avoid 'donno'

Erm, football mate, I know sod all about it.

OK 'donno' before we start what are your interests outside of work.

Oh, eh, .... I collect cardigans and I'm currently restoring a classic Rover motor car.

Ha Ha ... nice. OK donno, here's your first question, it's on footballers transfer values.

Oh bugger !!!

[21sMay]

Yes but keeping mum after my last transfer post about Fletcher 🙈 I choose to believe the source that tells me snippets . I understand some folk end up thinking your talking shi*e when it doesn't materialize

[Clarence]

I was wrong about Fletcher signing on deadline day last season. We definitely tried under Maloney but seemed to not happen even though was told it was all but done. Happens I suppose .

Anyways... If we tie up the forward thinking midfielder I have been told about then we will all stop arguing about Josh Campbell being good enough

Just how forward thinking is this midfielder? Are the other players going to be able to relate to him or will it be basically like having Elon Musk in the dressing room?

[04Sauzee]

Yes but keeping mum after my last transfer post about Fletcher 🙈 I choose to believe the source that tells me snippets . I understand some folk end up thinking your talking shi*e when it doesn't materialize

So is this like a No10 ? Is it someone we will have heard of before?

[HoboHarry]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to ........... Yaaaaaam of the week. Our first contestant is 'Donno'

What subjects are you hoping to avoid 'donno'

Erm, football mate, I know sod all about it.

OK 'donno' before we start what are your interests outside of work.

Oh, eh, .... I collect cardigans and I'm currently restoring a classic Rover motor car.

Ha Ha ... nice. OK donno, here's your first question, it's on footballers transfer values.

Oh bugger !!!

I was wondering if per chance he had the same IP address as that other yahoo that got mutually terminated last week. Was it Mr Wonderful?

[Hibbyradge]

Sorry, forgot Hecky gave him a couple of games against Stirling or whoever. So that’s three managers picking a player of that standard and losing their job shortly after then. Not saying for a minute he’s totally to blame for them losing their jobs, but if that’s the standard of player you look at for such an important position, you’re not going to last very long.

Don’t see him featuring with any regularity. He may do over the next few weeks but still think there will be changes to the squad that push him further out.

Poor stuff.

Josh had nothing to do with those managers' demise and it's most unfair of you link it to him in any way at all.

How many managers have Lewis Stevenson or Paul Hanlon played for who have been sacked? Or David Gray for that matter?

Josh was picked for the first team because his managers rated him having watched him in training and on loan. Like nearly every Hibs player, he didn't have the best of seasons last year, but I'm very hopeful that he'll flourish under Johnson.

[Unseen work]

Yes but keeping mum after my last transfer post about Fletcher 🙈 I choose to believe the source that tells me snippets . I understand some folk end up thinking your talking shi*e when it doesn't materialize

Fair play mate 👍🏻

Hopefully adds the quality we need in there.

[Hibbyradge]

Yes but keeping mum after my last transfer post about Fletcher

Not so mum that you could resist telling us about a mystery attacking midfielder you heard about though. :wink:

[Dmas]

Not so mum that you could resist telling us about a mystery attacking midfielder you heard about though. :wink:

Be a really rubbish transfer thread if everyone who was hearing rumours ‘kept mum’

Probably just be reading through more of the same old rubbish about Josh Campbell

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I was wondering if per chance he had the same IP address as that other yahoo that got mutually terminated last week. Was it Mr Wonderful?

What - the Mr W who was off the chart on the Yamometer?

[Gloucester Hibs]

He was actually picked by 3 managers, Heckingbottom gave him his debut, because they thought he was capable.

He was rewarded with a long term contract in 2021.

I think he will feature regularly under Johnson, even if not every week, and I think he will flourish.

Quite a prediction. Which of our current midfielders would you say he is better than?

[Bridge hibs]

Quite a prediction. Which of our current midfielders would you say he is better than?Its not a case of who he is better than, last season none of our midfielders stood out so Campbell was no better nor worse than them. Its a new season, a new manager and a few new faces in the forward positions, clean slate for the lad to show he can improve and step up, same goes for JDH, Newel and Henderson, and or another midfielder if there is one being lined up. Competition does players no harm

[Bridge hibs]

Raheem Sterling to Chelsea, think I heard initial £45m, not a bad fee considering only having 1 year left on his contract😵

[Brooster]

This thread and site is brutal in terms of folk ripping in to our own players, did we not learn anything from the Rocky affair. The place is infested by trolls, a few yams have already been outed but they are still here and posting garbage on this thread. Give us peace ffs.

[MWHIBBIES]

This thread and site is brutal in terms of folk ripping in to our own players, did we not learn anything from the Rocky affair. The place is infested by trolls, a few yams have already been outed but they are still here and posting garbage on this thread. Give us peace ffs.

No one has ripped Campbell. Simply discussing his ability.

[Greenworld]

This thread and site is brutal in terms of folk ripping in to our own players, did we not learn anything from the Rocky affair. The place is infested by trolls, a few yams have already been outed but they are still here and posting garbage on this thread. Give us peace ffs.Why do the admins not remove them there's quite a number by the looks of some of the comments

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[Greenworld]

Poor stuff.

Josh had nothing to do with those managers' demise and it's most unfair of you link it to him in any way at all.

How many managers have Lewis Stevenson or Paul Hanlon played for who have been sacked? Or David Gray for that matter?

Josh was picked for the first team because his managers rated him having watched him in training and on loan. Like nearly every Hibs player, he didn't have the best of seasons last year, but I'm very hopeful that he'll flourish under Johnson.Josh was playing a very a deep role last season you could see he was tired but we had a no one else.
I suspect you will see him used in a more advanced midfield role over this season and the difference being there is now loads of competition. I think there is a very good player in there .

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[marinello59]

This thread and site is brutal in terms of folk ripping in to our own players, did we not learn anything from the Rocky affair. The place is infested by trolls, a few yams have already been outed but they are still here and posting garbage on this thread. Give us peace ffs.


Why do the admins not remove them there's quite a number by the looks of some of the comments

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Please report anything you feel crosses the line to us. We regularly discuss posts and posters on here and take action when required. Which more often then not sees us being accused of being heavy handed.

[B.H.F.C]

Poor stuff.

Josh had nothing to do with those managers' demise and it's most unfair of you link it to him in any way at all.

How many managers have Lewis Stevenson or Paul Hanlon played for who have been sacked? Or David Gray for that matter?

Josh was picked for the first team because his managers rated him having watched him in training and on loan. Like nearly every Hibs player, he didn't have the best of seasons last year, but I'm very hopeful that he'll flourish under Johnson.

Don’t see what’s poor about it, I just think him being picked has been reflective of the quality (or lack of) in that area of the pitch at that time. And if that’s the type of quality that we continue to pick then I think it’ll remain a problem position.

It would be good if he managed to start performing and change opinion as we’d have someone on a long term deal already and it would save us a good few quid in trying to find someone else that can. Just can’t see it happening.

[Brightside]

There’s definitely a few on here jumping on any praise the laddie gets to push their views of him.
I think it happens when folk are staunch in their views I suppose.

Is the same few who are always desperate to be negative on anything to to do with the club. They were absent in their praise during the friendly games but are quick to get involved when there is a chance to have another dog at our midfield. The signings aren’t good enough and the current players are hopeless. It must be tiring thinking like that all the time and really not wa ring to look forward to the new season starting. I’m sure a few defeats will make them cream themselves with delights.

[Greenbeard]

Everyone has a clean slate. Hopefully the fans will give them the same
Aye but some players' slates are sprayed liberally with Domestos, wiped clean with a wet sponge, then dried with an absorbent cloth, while others just get a single dry wipe by Juan Sheet.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No one has ripped Campbell. Simply discussing his ability.

:agree:

I’d be interested to see what comments in particular are deemed ‘ripping into him’.

[Crunchie]

Is the same few who are always desperate to be negative on anything to to do with the club. They were absent in their praise during the friendly games but are quick to get involved when there is a chance to have another dog at our midfield. The signings aren’t good enough and the current players are hopeless. It must be tiring thinking like that all the time and really not wa ring to look forward to the new season starting. I’m sure a few defeats will make them cream themselves with delights.
Sad but very true.

[Since452]

You wouldn't be in or around the Hibs first team if you didn't have something about you. This is a massive season for Campbell though. At 22 you'd be looking for him to kick on. He'll not be first choice i don't think but he needs to take his chance when it comes.

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

I’d be interested to see what comments in particular are deemed ‘ripping into him’.

Endlessly saying he isn't good enough when still a young player and has shown a few excellent performances last season. Thought he looked very good in the half he played v Burton while of course it is very early in the season let's see how it works out as get the impression there will be a number of players who will improve under the new management.

[bingo70]

Endlessly saying he isn't good enough when still a young player and has shown a few excellent performances last season. Thought he looked very good in the half he played v Burton while of course it is very early in the season let's see how it works out as get the impression there will be a number of players who will improve under the new management.

That’s fine though, some people don’t rate him, you do, that’s what’s being discussed.

That’s not endlessly saying he isn’t good enough. I’m sorry but if he is going to be considered a first team player we need to be allowed to discuss him. He’s not a 16/17 year old, as someone else pointed out he’s now into his 4th manager at Hibs so he’s been around the first team scene for quite a while now.

Despite what someone said earlier, literally everybody would be delighted if he’s a success this season, some think he could be some don’t. Again, IMO that’s fine, football is a game of opinions and there’s nothing wrong with him being discussed.

[Hibbyradge]

Be a really rubbish transfer thread if everyone who was hearing rumours ‘kept mum’

Probably just be reading through more of the same old rubbish about Josh Campbell


I agree with your first sentence.

My point is that he said he was keeping mum without keeping mum. Did you miss the wink at the end of my post?

I didn't realise that discussing the ability, and future, of Hibs players was "rubbish".

If we didn't have any rumours we'd probably be wading through posts complaining wrongly about other people's posts.

[JimBHibees]

That’s fine though, some people don’t rate him, you do, that’s what’s being discussed.

That’s not endlessly saying he isn’t good enough. I’m sorry but if he is going to be considered a first team player we need to be allowed to discuss him. He’s not a 16/17 year old, as someone else pointed out he’s now into his 4th manager at Hibs so he’s been around the first team scene for quite a while now.

Despite what someone said earlier, literally everybody would be delighted if he’s a success this season, some think he could be some don’t. Again, IMO that’s fine, football is a game of opinions and there’s nothing wrong with him being discussed.

Not sure I am saying I rate him and that he should be a first team regular however think he is being criticised overly and that he has potential. Happy to leave that decision to the manager.

[Leitherhibs]

If Kenneh gets injured or turns out to 'need some work' which would be understandable given his age, then we're back to the midfield of last season which failed us massively, there's a need for reinforcements there.

[Hibbyradge]

Quite a prediction. Which of our current midfielders would you say he is better than?

FFS.

Can't I just hope for a young Hibs player to do well without a ****ing interrogation?

Or would you be more comfortable if I jumped on the he's sheite and has to go bandwagon?

[bingo70]

If Kenneh gets injured or turns out to 'need some work' which would be understandable given his age, then we're back to the midfield of last season which failed us massively, there's a need for reinforcements there.

Yeah but I think the counter argument to that is that a new manager could get more out of the midfield players that were here last year by simplifying how we play and asking them to play on the front foot more.

Last season was it the personnel that was the problem or how they were asked to play? I’m guessing LJ thinks it was the latter.

[Aldo]

Yeah but I think the counter argument to that is that a new manager could get more out of the midfield players that were here last year by simplifying how we play and asking them to play on the front foot more.

Last season was it the personnel that was the problem or how they were asked to play? I’m guessing LJ thinks it was the latter.

Think your last paragraph played a massive part in how we played last season. SM was all about possession and rather than play a forward pass for a player to run into it was a ba wars or sideways pass! That was really frustrating and tbh the personnel struggled to adapt to this. SM couldn’t see this and continued to force this style of play!

I think LJ will get the best out of the players (hope so anyway) and it showed in Portugal with everyone wanting and showing for the ball!


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[WhileTheChief..]

Please report anything you feel crosses the line to us. We regularly discuss posts and posters on here and take action when required. Which more often then not sees us being accused of being heavy handed.

I think you should be banning posters that accuse others as being Hearts fans!

It's the lowest of the low and gets trotted out regularly by a few on here. They're never right either!!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Endlessly saying he isn't good enough when still a young player and has shown a few excellent performances last season. Thought he looked very good in the half he played v Burton while of course it is very early in the season let's see how it works out as get the impression there will be a number of players who will improve under the new management.

I’m not sure how that’s ripping into him. It’s an opinion.

The way people are going on and on about it you’d think people were personally attacking the guy. All that’s really been said is that people don’t think he’s good enough for Hibs. It’s been said about plenty Hibs players before and will be said plenty times in the future and a lot of the time, the people saying it are correct. We’ve had hundreds of players at Hibs who haven’t been good enough to cut it before and it’s not ‘ripping into them’ to say that.

[Gloucester Hibs]

FFS.

Can't I just hope for a young Hibs player to do well without a ****ing interrogation?

Or would you be more comfortable if I jumped on the he's sheite and has to go bandwagon?

A fairly simple question I thought, hardly an interrogation! But you're not prepared to give an answer, fair enough.

Anyway didn't mean to divert the transfer thread any further, agree Campbell gets a clean slate as they all do.

[Cod Boy]

Sweetie wife.net this is now

[04Sauzee]

Hibs back home now, back training tomorrow, Clyde game at the weekend and Falkirk next Tuesday, wonder if we will see this CB this week, and wonder who this mystery midfielder is that's been mentioned on here.

Likely to see Tait and Mackay go out on loan soon I'd imagine.

[easty]

Some folk need to redefine what they class as “ripping into someone”.

Campbell was piss poor last season, and making that observation isn’t ripping into him, or having a go at him, or hoping he fails.

Yesterday someone posted that he was one of the best midfielders at the club, or something along those lines, and that’s by far the most ridiculous thing that’s been said about Campbell on this thread the last few days.

Campbell gets a clean slate. Just like everyone else.

[JimBHibees]

I’m not sure how that’s ripping into him. It’s an opinion.

The way people are going on and on about it you’d think people were personally attacking the guy. All that’s really been said is that people don’t think he’s good enough for Hibs. It’s been said about plenty Hibs players before and will be said plenty times in the future and a lot of the time, the people saying it are correct. We’ve had hundreds of players at Hibs who haven’t been good enough to cut it before and it’s not ‘ripping into them’ to say that.

Absolutely fine to have an opinion but it can appear to be relentless especially if no credit given to him for say the league cup semi or Celtic game where he was motm or playing well in recent game.