Summer 2022-23 transfer thread

[Souter96Mac]

Say another 2 come in, nice

How many will be in the squad after that ??

Losing track

I think there will be a good couple outs too

[Percy Vere]

When was the last time they tried would be more to the point. They did try really hard for McGinn and blew it, and were also heavily linked to Boyler if i remember right. But that wouldn't be anything to do with targeting influential players. The same way Rangers were linked to Ramsay, Souttar etc

They didn’t try really hard for Mcginn.
If they had offered £3m he would be a Celtic player.
As usual they huffed and puffed hoping they could steal him for £2m.
The manager was raging they didn’t stump up.
As it turns out much better for SJM and for Hibs.
Hopefully other players see the e benefit of a southern move rather than a drive along the M8.

[badabing67]

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Celtic got Porteous in January on a pre contract as a relatively cheap squad player that knows the league and is good.

At Hibs is issue imo is that he’s the main man and always thinks he needs to make things happen from centre half, his concentration also goes and he makes daft mistakes.

At Celtic I think he’d know he can’t get away with half the stuff he does and would simplify his game a lot and allow the better players to do the on the ball work. He would also listen to and respect his team mates more given the difference in standard.

Imo the way he’s playing is someone that’s frustrated as he thinks he should be getting a move and the complacency/loss of concentration is making him make some silly mistakes.

He’s undoubtedly a very good defender and very good on the ball.

A team that put a rocket up him and make him realise he’s not the main man would probably be perfect for him.

Exactly he has become a big fish in a small pond. This should be a defining season for him, I think LJ will be a good influence this season. LJ does have good man management skills as we have heard from McGeady, he would be here if he didn't rate him. I agree with you that at times he does seem to be over confident and lack concentration. He is still learning and think he will get on top of this. The part of his game he needs to sort the most is his discipline, He really needs to improve that this season. This is going to be difficult for him as we all know he plays with an edge which is an important part of his game. We know he has the ambition to be in the Scotland squad and it will be a personal target for him this season. If he can get in the squad mixing with Robertson Tierney McGinn etc would be massively beneficial for him.

But we all know the the pre contract route can have it pit falls

[Ozyhibby]

They didn’t try really hard for Mcginn.
If they had offered £3m he would be a Celtic player.
As usual they huffed and puffed hoping they could steal him for £2m.
The manager was raging they didn’t stump up.
As it turns out much better for SJM and for Hibs.
Hopefully other players see the e benefit of a southern move rather than a drive along the M8.

Cost them their 10 in a row. Rogers was furious and left shortly afterwards. A very expensive mistake for Celtic.


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[cameronw-hfc]

Still think we’ll need another one (in my opinion) doidge hasn’t looked great so far both yesterday and the Falkirk game he was terrible just looks very lazy and uninterested I’m hoping this will change soon as I don’t think he’s a bad player at all and showed how good he can be i.e the 19/20 season when Ross came in


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There's a lot of opinion in football, but calling doidge lazy is just factually wrong. He runs himself into the ground even on his bad days

[Mrimbetween]

I think there will be a good couple outs too

Wonder who !!!

[BILLYHIBS]

For his type of striker, his record is excellent. Compares very well to other big guys like mixu. Hibs have 5 strikers right now. Honestly, we'd be mental to go after another when we have other weaknesses. Doidge and Nisbet proven quality, youan and bojang new guys and melkersen the young talent. Quite happy with our strikers.

Doidge nowhere near the quality and hold up play of Mixu

Cannot see Doidge scoring a hat-trick versus Hearts anytime soon

Not a Doidge hater appreciate everything he brings to the team but feel he might struggle to establish himself this season

Wish him all the best in that regard

Mixu was just quality a proven international striker

[04Sauzee]

Reports that Kamara could be on his way to Galatasary for £8m

[04Sauzee]

Jim Goodwin saying that Luis Lopes who they signed from Benfica B could be available for them tomorrow night and that Miovski could be available for the Raith game at the weekend.

[degenerated]

Doidge nowhere near the quality and hold up play of Mixu

Cannot see Doidge scoring a hat-trick versus Hearts anytime soon

Not a Doidge hater appreciate everything he brings to the team but feel he might struggle to establish himself this season

Wish him all the best in that regard

Mixu was just quality a proven international strikerIf you put doidge in a team with sauzee, latapy, zitelli, O'Neill, Laursen etc then theres every chance he would score a hattrick against any team in SPFL.

[BILLYHIBS]

If you put doidge in a team with sauzee, latapy, zitelli, O'Neill, Laursen etc then theres every chance he would score a hattrick against any team in SPFL.

Not sure about that but pretty sure he would score more goals off his chest arse and thigh as long as they go in

[superfurryhibby]

Doidge nowhere near the quality and hold up play of Mixu

Cannot see Doidge scoring a hat-trick versus Hearts anytime soon

Not a Doidge hater appreciate everything he brings to the team but feel he might struggle to establish himself this season

Wish him all the best in that regard

Mixu was just quality a proven international striker

Mixu was a much better footballer than Doidge, even if he wasn't necessarily scoring more. He brought a huge influence to bear on the Hibs team in his first spell.

Doidge has done well enough, but I think we need better to thrive this season. Still hoping for more transfer business and better quality incoming. That includes striker, central midfielder and maybe a centre half. It would transform our prospects.

[supermcginn]

Mixu was a much better footballer than Doidge, even if he wasn't necessarily scoring more. He brought a huge influence to bear on the Hibs team in his first spell.

Doidge has done well enough, but I think we need better to thrive this season. Still hoping for more transfer business and better quality incoming. That includes striker, central midfielder and maybe a centre half. It would transform our prospects.

Correct, doidge couldn't lace mixu's boots.

[easty]

There's a lot of opinion in football, but calling doidge lazy is just factually wrong. He runs himself into the ground even on his bad days

Nisbet got the same nonsense criticism chucked at him a while back.

[Big_Franck]

Will we get rid of Melkersen as well? His record is worse over the last three games.

FWIW,I think Doidge has his work cut out to stay in the team when the other forwards are available.

No, I hope not. There's slightly more potential for improvement with Melkersen.

[Stuart93]

Jim Goodwin saying that Luis Lopes who they signed from Benfica B could be available for them tomorrow night and that Miovski could be available for the Raith game at the weekend.

They seem to have sorted the work permits a fair bit quicker than us.

Wonder what the secret is

[Heisenberg]

They seem to have sorted the work permits a fair bit quicker than us.

Wonder what the secret is

That one seems to be the outlier. They signed Ramadani at the start of June and he was only cleared to play a week or two ago. Miovski was the 23rd of June and he’s still waiting I think.

[cameronw-hfc]

Nisbet got the same nonsense criticism chucked at him a while back.

Newell gets it too. Think it's just a easy criticism that people who either don't know what they're trying to criticise say, or people who just want to have a go for the sake of it say.

I don't mind legit critique of players, ie, Doidgr being a bit poor on the ball etc, but blatant lies like him being lazy is actually comical to read.

[04Sauzee]

That one seems to be the outlier. They signed Ramadani at the start of June and he was only cleared to play a week or two ago. Miovski was the 23rd of June and he’s still waiting I think.

Tavares was announced on the 15th June
Ramadani 8th June.
Hopefully we will get some good news soon.

[Smartie]

Nisbet’s problem wasn’t necessarily laziness - but that he’s work hard at the wrong times in the wrong places.

He’d be dropping short to help with the build up then amble into the box leaving us with nobody within miles when the ball came in.

Neither Nisbet nor Doidge are lazy. Together they make a decent pair. If we’re to play 433/ 451 I’m not convinced either have what it takes to play that role in our team.

Both have their uses, more so Doidge but they do both frustrate me.

If either of them are regular picks in that central position then I think we’ll struggle to score enough team goals to get top 6.

[Iain G]

Correct, doidge couldn't lace mixu's boots.

Do we know if he has ever tried? I know it's harder lacing up someone else's than your own but am sure he could make a good go of it 😁

[Iain G]

No, I hope not. There's slightly more potential for improvement with Melkersen.

The only way we will get rid is 18 months from now when we get offered £5m + for him, boy is gonna be a very very good footballer

[WhileTheChief..]

Listening to LJs interview on Sky Sports, it feels like he’s resigned to losing Porteous.

We need to bring some closure to this so that we know if we need to get others in. Can’t be leaving it entirely down to Ryan to let us know at the end of the window.

My view is that we’d be better off selling him now rather than keeping him until January or the end of the season. We can probably still get a decent fee for him this window.

If he decides to stay and see out his contract we’ve just got to hope he performs.

[tamig]

Listening to LJs interview on Sky Sports, it feels like he’s resigned to losing Porteous.

We need to bring some closure to this so that we know if we need to get others in. Can’t be leaving it entirely down to Ryan to let us know at the end of the window.

My view is that we’d be better off selling him now rather than keeping him until January or the end of the season. We can probably still get a decent fee for him this window.

If he decides to stay and see out his contract we’ve just got to hope he performs.

Why would he not perform if he runs down his contract? He’d be playing for his future. And its not just down to him if he leaves in this window. A club needs to come in and pay what we’re looking for.

[HoboHarry]

Correct, doidge couldn't lace mixu's boots.

Hard to imagine a more pointless comparison. Mixu was better than a great many strikers who've played for Hibs over the years.

[WhileTheChief..]

Why would he not perform if he runs down his contract? He’d be playing for his future. And its not just down to him if he leaves in this window. A club needs to come in and pay what we’re looking for.

I didn’t say he wouldn’t perform.

Did you read my post?!

If he’s not going to sign a new contract, he either leaves or runs the existing one down. We can’t force him out if he wants to stay.

If we’re looking for £3m we’re never gonna get it. We might accept £1m though if offered so we wouldn’t be getting what we are looking for.

Even then, it’s entirely down to Ryan whether he stays or goes.

[Stuart93]

That one seems to be the outlier. They signed Ramadani at the start of June and he was only cleared to play a week or two ago. Miovski was the 23rd of June and he’s still waiting I think.

Just seen another post saying the guy they signed from Benfica B had international caps for Cape Verde, think international caps make the process more straightforward potentially

[Ronniekirk]

Tavares was announced on the 15th June
Ramadani 8th June.
Hopefully we will get some good news soon.

The Manager has already said we are going to need to be patient with Tavares so not so sure at this stage he will be regular first team starter But maybe he will settle quicker and surprise The Manager

[superfurryhibby]

Nisbet’s problem wasn’t necessarily laziness - but that he’s work hard at the wrong times in the wrong places.

He’d be dropping short to help with the build up then amble into the box leaving us with nobody within miles when the ball came in.

Neither Nisbet nor Doidge are lazy. Together they make a decent pair. If we’re to play 433/ 451 I’m not convinced either have what it takes to play that role in our team.

Both have their uses, more so Doidge but they do both frustrate me.

If either of them are regular picks in that central position then I think we’ll struggle to score enough team goals to get top 6.

I think Nisbet has more potential to improve than Doidge and is overall, a much better footballer. Unfortunately, he 's not going to be playing much this year and I also agree, we will probably struggle to score goals as things with our team stands now. I actually feel we have better cover at centre half than centre forward (assuming Hanlon returns fairly soon).

Hopefully Bojang and Tavares get started soon and are revelations, start of the league campaign will be on us soon enough.

[MWHIBBIES]

Doidge nowhere near the quality and hold up play of Mixu

Cannot see Doidge scoring a hat-trick versus Hearts anytime soon

Not a Doidge hater appreciate everything he brings to the team but feel he might struggle to establish himself this season

Wish him all the best in that regard

Mixu was just quality a proven international striker


And yet, his record still doesn't compare badly at all.

[Highwayman]

There is obviously real concern about Ryan Porteous’s future at Hibs.

I may have missed it but haven’t seen the same concern about Chris Cadden who is also in the last season of his contract.

If I was sent up from an English Championship club to ER this transfer window with available gelt,I would be asking Hibs what price they would take for Cadden.

He was by far the most consistent player last season and it is clear that in these early stages his good form is continuing.

The question is whether Hibs would welcome any transfer bids for him.

At present I don’t see sufficient cover for him at either RB or RWB.

But as .net is an opinions forum,no doubt others may have different views.

[BSEJVT]

I think as concerning as needing new faces in is the time we seem to take to get folk fit from what appear to the outsider to be relatively insignificant injuries.

Nisbet is different but it seems to be taking an age to get Hanlon fit from a cartlidge operation which having had one isn't a big deal, although I appreciate they come in different degrees.

I am beginning to give up hope we will ever see a fully fit Mitchell or Magennis, neither of whose last injuries appeared that significant.

[04Sauzee]

Moritz Jenz about to sign for Celtic, not sure if it's a loan or permanent. He's a CB from Lorient.

[Brightside]

There is obviously real concern about Ryan Porteous’s future at Hibs.

I may have missed it but haven’t seen the same concern about Chris Cadden who is also in the last season of his contract.

If I was sent up from an English Championship club to ER this transfer window with available gelt,I would be asking Hibs what price they would take for Cadden.

He was by far the most consistent player last season and it is clear that in these early stages his good form is continuing.

The question is whether Hibs would welcome any transfer bids for him.

At present I don’t see sufficient cover for him at either RB or RWB.

But as .net is an opinions forum,no doubt others may have different views.

Pretty sure Cadden is sorted already just another one of these ones that take months to announce.

[Brightside]

I think as concerning as needing new faces in is the time we seem to take to get folk fit from what appear to the outsider to be relatively insignificant injuries.

Nisbet is different but it seems to be taking an age to get Hanlon fit from a cartlidge operation which having had one isn't a big deal, although I appreciate they come in different degrees.

I am beginning to give up hope we will ever see a fully fit Mitchell or Magennis, neither of whose last injuries appeared that significant.

I’d rather we take our time with them. Especially Hanlon. We’ve been guilty of playing Hanlon through injuries and prob brought back others too early. Patience will be rewarded.

[brog]

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Celtic got Porteous in January on a pre contract as a relatively cheap squad player that knows the league and is good.

At Hibs is issue imo is that he’s the main man and always thinks he needs to make things happen from centre half, his concentration also goes and he makes daft mistakes.

At Celtic I think he’d know he can’t get away with half the stuff he does and would simplify his game a lot and allow the better players to do the on the ball work. He would also listen to and respect his team mates more given the difference in standard.

Imo the way he’s playing is someone that’s frustrated as he thinks he should be getting a move and the complacency/loss of concentration is making him make some silly mistakes.

He’s undoubtedly a very good defender and very good on the ball.

A team that put a rocket up him and make him realise he’s not the main man would probably be perfect for him.

The biggest difference at Celtc is he wouldn't be sent off for a strong tackle!

[Ringothedog]

The biggest difference at Celtc is he wouldn't be sent off for a strong tackle!

The biggest difference at Celtc is that he wouldn’t get a game meaning it would be difficult to get sent off

[Winston Ingram]

If you put doidge in a team with sauzee, latapy, zitelli, O'Neill, Laursen etc then theres every chance he would score a hattrick against any team in SPFL.

This.

[BSEJVT]

I’d rather we take our time with them. Especially Hanlon. We’ve been guilty of playing Hanlon through injuries and prob brought back others too early. Patience will be rewarded.

Would agree with Hanlon, but starting to worry that the other 2 have a touch of the Dylan syndrome as they are never fit and never seem to be that badly injured!

[Tyler Durden]

There is obviously real concern about Ryan Porteous’s future at Hibs.

I may have missed it but haven’t seen the same concern about Chris Cadden who is also in the last season of his contract.

If I was sent up from an English Championship club to ER this transfer window with available gelt,I would be asking Hibs what price they would take for Cadden.

He was by far the most consistent player last season and it is clear that in these early stages his good form is continuing.

The question is whether Hibs would welcome any transfer bids for him.

At present I don’t see sufficient cover for him at either RB or RWB.

But as .net is an opinions forum,no doubt others may have different views.

We’ve got Miller and Delferriere for RB cover.

Personally don’t think we’re in any danger of losing Cadden

[brog]

The biggest difference at Celtc is that he wouldn’t get a game meaning it would be difficult to get sent off

Celtc won't buy him if they're not going to play him. Personally I think he'd be their best CB.

[Stuart93]

Celtc won't buy him if they're not going to play him. Personally I think he'd be their best CB.

You think Porteous would be better than Carter-Vickers?

No chance.

[BILLYHIBS]

And yet, his record still doesn't compare badly at all.

Are you kidding me ?

Much though I love Christian he could not lace Mixu’s bits

We are talking night and day football wise

Mixu scored 18 times for Finland in 70 international appearances

The closest Christian would get on the pitch for Wales would be if he were to sing the Welsh National Anthem before their next home international :greengrin

[badabing67]

You think Porteous would be better than Carter-Vickers?

No chance.

But he is definitely a better player than Carl Starfelt

[Big_Franck]

But he is definitely a better player than Carl Starfelt

No chance. Starfelt got a bit of a bad reputation early doors at celtic as he looked a bit dodgy in the first game or so, but he very quickly improved. Starfelt and Carter-Vickers were outstanding as a pairing for the last 3/4 months of the season and played a big part in them winning the league. Porteous wouldn't get anywhere near to getting a game for Celtic.

[green.oracle]

This.

Don't think he would. He would still be too slow in getting there.

Out of interest, how do you think Nisbet would have done playing in the same team as Mixu did?

[Stuart93]

But he is definitely a better player than Carl Starfelt

I’m not too sure about that either.

I honestly don’t think Porteous is a lot better than us. Far too many mistakes, lapses in concentration and stupid tackles in his game just now to move up a level.

[BILLYHIBS]

Don't think he would. He would still be too slow in getting there.

Out of interest, how do you think Nisbet would have done playing in the same team as Mixu did?

Or Jamie MacLaren ? :greengrin

[McD]

We really need to get an upgrade on Doidge before the window closes at the end of August. His goals record for Hibs looks alright if you include all his scrappy goals against lower league ***** in the cups. In the last 2 games he hasn't even managed to perform against them though. His record in the league is a truer indication of his level and we clearly need better.



his goal record looks alright if you include all the goals he’s scored? :rolleyes:

[Big_Franck]

his goal record looks alright if you include all the goals he’s scored? :rolleyes:

You know exactly what I meant. His goalscoring record in the league in the last 2 seasons hasn't been good enough and we need better. There, a bit simpler for you :rolleyes:

[cameronw-hfc]

But he is definitely a better player than Carl Starfelt

Starfelt is a top, top CB for this league. Started bad but was brilliant the last half of the season. Porto is good, potential there, but he's vastly, vastly overrated by some in here

[1875Sean]

Don't think he would. He would still be too slow in getting there.

Out of interest, how do you think Nisbet would have done playing in the same team as Mixu did?

Not as good if he was upfront with Craig Brewster

[cameronw-hfc]

Nisbet’s problem wasn’t necessarily laziness - but that he’s work hard at the wrong times in the wrong places.

He’d be dropping short to help with the build up then amble into the box leaving us with nobody within miles when the ball came in.

Neither Nisbet nor Doidge are lazy. Together they make a decent pair. If we’re to play 433/ 451 I’m not convinced either have what it takes to play that role in our team.

Both have their uses, more so Doidge but they do both frustrate me.

If either of them are regular picks in that central position then I think we’ll struggle to score enough team goals to get top 6.


I feel like that was instructions rather than anything else. Nisbet played for us under 2 defensive managers. I also think it would look a lot better if he still played like that under LJ with players finally getting in beyond the strikers. Him dropping deep will drag the defenders with him and allow space for Hendo or someone else to get in behind, something Ross and Maloney didn't exactly have us doing but LJ does seem to.

[tamig]

I didn’t say he wouldn’t perform.

Did you read my post?!

If he’s not going to sign a new contract, he either leaves or runs the existing one down. We can’t force him out if he wants to stay.

If we’re looking for £3m we’re never gonna get it. We might accept £1m though if offered so we wouldn’t be getting what we are looking for.

Even then, it’s entirely down to Ryan whether he stays or goes.

What makes you think I never read it? You said in your last sentence that if he runs his contract down “we’ve” got to hope he performs. You have some doubt then? So far no club had made a bid that matches our valuation. I highly doubt we’d be looking for anything like £3m for him with under a year left on his contract. But we’re not giving him away for nowt. And someone has to come knocking first. None of that has happened yet. At the end of the day he’s under contract. Not entirely down to Porteous whether he stays or goes this window. Hibs will decide that.

[easty]

I’m not too sure about that either.

I honestly don’t think Porteous is a lot better than us. Far too many mistakes, lapses in concentration and stupid tackles in his game just now to move up a level.

I think you’ll be proven wrong.

I dinnae ever visit other teams fans forums, so I’ve no idea if it’s just a Hibs thing when we talk down our best players?

[Mcbizz1998]

I think you’ll be proven wrong.

I dinnae ever visit other teams fans forums, so I’ve no idea if it’s just a Hibs thing when we talk down our best players?

We don’t talk down our best players. We never talked down McGinn or Boyle for example.

Some people just don’t rate Porteous that highly and I can see why. I don’t think he will go that much higher than Hibs. He might make a buck at English Championship mid table but that’s his limit for me.

[jacomo]

Cost them their 10 in a row. Rogers was furious and left shortly afterwards. A very expensive mistake for Celtic.


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:agree:

Huge mistake.

[WhileTheChief..]

What makes you think I never read it? You said in your last sentence that if he runs his contract down “we’ve” got to hope he performs. You have some doubt then? So far no club had made a bid that matches our valuation. I highly doubt we’d be looking for anything like £3m for him with under a year left on his contract. But we’re not giving him away for nowt. And someone has to come knocking first. None of that has happened yet. At the end of the day he’s under contract. Not entirely down to Porteous whether he stays or goes this window. Hibs will decide that.

You've interpreted me saying 'we've got to hope he performs" as somehow meaning that I don't think he will.

If i said "i hope it's sunny tomorrow" it doesn't mean I don't think it will be!!

I was only commenting on Ryan's contract situation. I just picked the £3m figure out the sky and I've no idea if any clubs are interested.

Hibs can't decide anything. If Ryan decides to stay put, he stays. Nothing we can do about it.

Similarly, he might wait until January and move then, meaning less money for us. Or he sees his contract out.

My only point, and I wish I hadn't bothered, is that I'd like for us to know sooner rather than later so we can find a replacement instead of him leaving at the end of the window.

[Rumble de Thump]

People mocked Tom English when he said John McGinn would struggle to get into the Celtic team. Yet four years on and he still hasn't got into the team.

[HoboHarry]

People mocked Tom English when he said John McGinn would struggle to get into the Celtic team. Yet four years on and he still hasn't got into the team.

Celtic are chuffed though, it's a pay per game deal :greengrin

[matty_f]

People mocked Tom English when he said John McGinn would struggle to get into the Celtic team. Yet four years on and he still hasn't got into the team.

Makes you think, eh?

[Stuart93]

I think you’ll be proven wrong.

I dinnae ever visit other teams fans forums, so I’ve no idea if it’s just a Hibs thing when we talk down our best players?

I guess we’ll see

I’m not talking Porteous down, he’s a really good player for us but I dont currently think he’s a lot better than us. His mistakes etc all come into that.

Like another posters said, I don’t think we do tend to talk our best players down, if anything we tend to overhype them.

[phoenixfire]

Any rumours on midfield player?

[Wilson]

I guess we’ll see

I’m not talking Porteous down, he’s a really good player for us but I dont currently think he’s a lot better than us. His mistakes etc all come into that.

Like another posters said, I don’t think we do tend to talk our best players down, if anything we tend to overhype them.

We talk them down. Jason Cummings. Talked down. John McGinn - we should bit Celtic's arm off for 1.5m - talked down. Porto - talked down.

The most popular hibs players are ex players we want back.

[Winston Ingram]

Don't think he would. He would still be too slow in getting there.

Out of interest, how do you think Nisbet would have done playing in the same team as Mixu did?

It’s difficult to see how a player who can’t hold the ball up, assist, isn’t particularly quick, has a rotten first touch, has appalling movement and an average goal record would get anywhere near that team.

…he would however be excellent at dropping into his own half to pass the ball to Stuart Lovell.

[Winston Ingram]

Or Jamie MacLaren ? :greengrin

😇

[Since90+2]

We talk them down. Jason Cummings. Talked down. John McGinn - we should bit Celtic's arm off for 1.5m - talked down. Porto - talked down.

The most popular hibs players are ex players we want back.

I think you're just making stuff up now. John McGinn was never talked down on this forum and pretty much every single post I can remember was folk saying Celtic can gtf for 1.5 million.

[JimBHibees]

You've interpreted me saying 'we've got to hope he performs" as somehow meaning that I don't think he will.

If i said "i hope it's sunny tomorrow" it doesn't mean I don't think it will be!!

I was only commenting on Ryan's contract situation. I just picked the £3m figure out the sky and I've no idea if any clubs are interested.

Hibs can't decide anything. If Ryan decides to stay put, he stays. Nothing we can do about it.

Similarly, he might wait until January and move then, meaning less money for us. Or he sees his contract out.

My only point, and I wish I hadn't bothered, is that I'd like for us to know sooner rather than later so we can find a replacement instead of him leaving at the end of the window.

We've got to hope he performs clearly indicates there is a doubt he will.

[cameronw-hfc]

We've got to hope he performs clearly indicates there is a doubt he will.


His last few performances are enough to have slight doubts. It's not just been one odd mistake, he's been pants since pre season started

[Paulie Walnuts]

We don’t talk down our best players. We never talked down McGinn or Boyle for example.

Some people just don’t rate Porteous that highly and I can see why. I don’t think he will go that much higher than Hibs. He might make a buck at English Championship mid table but that’s his limit for me.

:agree:

[bigwheel]

:agree:

Hanlon and McGregor rate him that’s for sure - they say he is a top player and will play at a high level …I tend to lean on their views before mine or other supporters opinions …

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hanlon and McGregor rate him that’s for sure - they say he is a top player and will play at a high level …I tend to lean on their views before mine or other supporters opinions …

That’s fine, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. I’d tend to agree with the view that Hibs is probably about his level and that if he does get a move it’ll be to a mid to lower end Championship side.

I also agree that we don’t downplay the ability of our best players as a general rule. As people have pointed out, Boyle, McGinn, Scott Allan.. the list could go on. There’s plenty players that we as a fan base generally speaking have rated very very highly. People also generally rate Ryan Porteous. Just to different degrees, it’s not like we ever see people saying he’s not good enough for Hibs for example.

[Brightside]

We talk them down. Jason Cummings. Talked down. John McGinn - we should bit Celtic's arm off for 1.5m - talked down. Porto - talked down.

The most popular hibs players are ex players we want back.

Tbf Jason Cummings wasn’t that good.

[Crunchie]

Hanlon and McGregor rate him that’s for sure - they say he is a top player and will play at a high level …I tend to lean on their views before mine or other supporters opinions …
If the boy had the commitment and professionalism of say Hanlon and Stevenson he'd go far as I think he has way more talent and potential than both.
I just don't think he has, I hope I'm wrong.

[Crunchie]

Tbf Jason Cummings wasn’t that good.
He had the potential to be very good, his failure to grow up cost him, I fear Ryan might go the same way.

[Since452]

His last few performances are enough to have slight doubts. It's not just been one odd mistake, he's been pants since pre season started

I'm really hoping he's getting his poor performances out the way in "pre season" and he signs his contract and knuckles down. It's got to be playing a part. He's looked poor in the last two games and if he was a new signing Ian Gordon would be taking pelters.

[Stuart93]

We talk them down. Jason Cummings. Talked down. John McGinn - we should bit Celtic's arm off for 1.5m - talked down. Porto - talked down.

The most popular hibs players are ex players we want back.

That’s nonsense.

Cummings wasn’t everybody’s cup of tea but there were plenty people gutted when he left.

I can’t remember any hibs supporter saying we should bite Celtic’s arm off for 1.5m. The only person I remember saying that was Tom English.

Like another poster has said everyone has their opinions on RP. He’s a very good player for us, I’m not doubting that but I just feel he’s not massively above our level currently.

He might leave and grow as a player, he probably will but he’s got a lot to learn.

[Hibbyradge]

You've interpreted me saying 'we've got to hope he performs" as somehow meaning that I don't think he will.

If i said "i hope it's sunny tomorrow" it doesn't mean I don't think it will be!!

I was only commenting on Ryan's contract situation. I just picked the £3m figure out the sky and I've no idea if any clubs are interested.

Hibs can't decide anything. If Ryan decides to stay put, he stays. Nothing we can do about it.

Similarly, he might wait until January and move then, meaning less money for us. Or he sees his contract out.

My only point, and I wish I hadn't bothered, is that I'd like for us to know sooner rather than later so we can find a replacement instead of him leaving at the end of the window.

I certainly don't want an argument about this, but I imagine everyone would think that "hoping it's sunny tomorrow" suggests that you think it might or might not be.

In exactly the same way, "hoping Porteous performs" suggests you think there's a chance that he won't.

I hope this post doesn't annoy you. (There's a chance it will).

[JimBHibees]

His last few performances are enough to have slight doubts. It's not just been one odd mistake, he's been pants since pre season started

They havent been great though think he was a little unlucky the Bonnyrigg guy put it in the top corner but he is still young likely a little unsettled not knowing what is going to happen. Wouldnt sell him unless we get a decent bid in. Think will be better when the situation is clear. Think he is our best central defender by a distance but needs to concentrate better.

[Hibbyradge]

We talk them down. Jason Cummings. Talked down. John McGinn - we should bit Celtic's arm off for 1.5m - talked down. Porto - talked down.

The most popular hibs players are ex players we want back.

When was Jason Cummings talked down? I remember people hoping that he'd stay.

No-one said we should have bitten Celtic's arm off. In any case, that wouldn't have been talking down the player.

Porto is receiving some criticism for his recent mistakes and his disciplinary record. All of it is accurate.

The players who are regularly, and unfairly, talked down are the likes of Newell, JDH, Campbell and Rocky. Incredibly, Lewis Stevenson is still criticised in some quarters.

[erin go bragh]

Tbf Jason Cummings wasn’t that good.

Take it he was just lucky to score 20 plus goals for three seasons in a row

[worcesterhibby]

Porto has the talent to become a very very good centre back. However right now his off field antics, on field mistakes and general attitude mean that he is still at the early stages of his learning curve.

Much as I hate to say it, I think a move down south, or better still abroad would do him the world of good. The off field issues he has had would suggest that his group of mates in Edinburgh is not helping him act like a top level pro. Moving away from Scottish Refs, Scottish media and mates who want to take him out on drinking sprees would benefit him and he MIGHT just turn into the player many of us think he is capable of becoming. It seems pretty obvious that he himself is determined to leave, but right now there doesn't seem to be many suitors who are willing to offer a fee.

[FilipinoHibs]

Take it he was just lucky to score 20 plus goals for three seasons in a row

His goals against Hearts alone make him a legend.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Take it he was just lucky to score 20 plus goals for three seasons in a row

:agree:

Cummings was a cracking player for us.

[King Cosell]

Jordan Jones back at Killie.

[Wilson]

When was Jason Cummings talked down? I remember people hoping that he'd stay.

No-one said we should have bitten Celtic's arm off. In any case, that wouldn't have been talking down the player.

Porto is receiving some criticism for his recent mistakes and his disciplinary record. All of it is accurate.

The players who are regularly, and unfairly, talked down are the likes of Newell, JDH, Campbell and Rocky. Incredibly, Lewis Stevenson is still criticised in some quarters.

If you've got a four million pound player and you think we're daft not to take 2mil then you're selling him short. Not far removed from talking him down. There were definitely people on this site that wanted us to take Celtic's offer.

Porteous has had it all along. Plenty on here wanted him dropped when he first came through. Even now when it is clear he was missed he isn't talked about like a top player - which he is for us. It's all about him screwing the nut. Cutting out the mistakes. Leaving Scotland - like he's not big enough to cope with the scrutiny. Disrespectful to one of our best products. Talking him down.

Cummings. Enough said. There'll be plenty along to tell you he wasn't that good. Yeah. Except when he was. Except when his goals were vital.

To say we aren't down on our own players is blinkered in the extreme.

[04Sauzee]

Jordan Jones back at Killie.

Mixed response from the Killie fans

[Northernhibee]

That’s nonsense.

Cummings wasn’t everybody’s cup of tea but there were plenty people gutted when he left.

I can’t remember any hibs supporter saying we should bite Celtic’s arm off for 1.5m. The only person I remember saying that was Tom English.

Like another poster has said everyone has their opinions on RP. He’s a very good player for us, I’m not doubting that but I just feel he’s not massively above our level currently.

He might leave and grow as a player, he probably will but he’s got a lot to learn.

Ryan is an excellent central defender but his reliability and potentially his temperament holds him well back. Much as I've been raging about the referees decisions for most of his red cards and the talk on here about him having a vendetta against him and the like, in every occasion he's given the referee a decision to make. When you're suspended for as many games as he was last season you become more and more of a gamble to sign. He needs to learn to be a bit more stoic in the big games.

That may all change with age and maturity though.

[CapitalGreen]

Mixed response from the Killie fans

His career has been in a downward spiral since his Rangers move didn’t work out.

[McD]

You know exactly what I meant. His goalscoring record in the league in the last 2 seasons hasn't been good enough and we need better. There, a bit simpler for you :rolleyes:


yeah I do know what you meant, you want to cherry pick stats so you can have a go at one of our players :rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

If you've got a four million pound player and you think we're daft not to take 2mil then you're selling him short. Not far removed from talking him down. There were definitely people on this site that wanted us to take Celtic's offer.

Porteous has had it all along. Plenty on here wanted him dropped when he first came through. Even now when it is clear he was missed he isn't talked about like a top player - which he is for us. It's all about him screwing the nut. Cutting out the mistakes. Leaving Scotland - like he's not big enough to cope with the scrutiny. Disrespectful to one of our best products. Talking him down.

Cummings. Enough said. There'll be plenty along to tell you he wasn't that good. Yeah. Except when he was. Except when his goals were vital.

To say we aren't down on our own players is blinkered in the extreme.

The discussion about McGinn was whether to accept the offer in front of us or let him go for nothing.

Adopting the former position didn't mean the player was being sold short. It was about protecting the club.

I don't remember Jason being sold short when he was at Hibs. He will likely have been given pelters for his ridiculous penalty miss in the semifinal but apart from that, people loved him.

You'll always find the occasional crank or undercover jambo slating our players. By no means is that a consensus.

Edit: We didn't get £4m for SJM. We got £2.5m.

[Since90+2]

yeah I do know what you meant, you want to cherry pick stats so you can have a go at one of our players :rolleyes:

How many league goals has Doidge scored in the last 2 seasons?

[Since90+2]

Take it he was just lucky to score 20 plus goals for three seasons in a row

In the Scottish Championship.

If Cummings was a top drawer striker he'd be playing for one of the top clubs in Scotland. The fact he wasn't even a guaranteed starter at Dundee says a lot.

[Brightside]

Take it he was just lucky to score 20 plus goals for three seasons in a row

He scored 4 goals in the Prem. He was very good at Championship level.

[Hibbyradge]

How many league goals has Doidge scored in the last 2 seasons?

He was injured and I'll for the majority of last season.

[Since90+2]

He was injured and I'll for the majority of last season.

Ok. Take the season prior to that, he played 36 league games and scored 7 goals.

That's not exactly a great return for an out and out centre forward.

[heretoday]

:agree:

Cummings was a cracking player for us.

Fantastic! Shame he blotted his record by going to Ibrox but it shows what they thought of him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If you've got a four million pound player and you think we're daft not to take 2mil then you're selling him short. Not far removed from talking him down. There were definitely people on this site that wanted us to take Celtic's offer.

Porteous has had it all along. Plenty on here wanted him dropped when he first came through. Even now when it is clear he was missed he isn't talked about like a top player - which he is for us. It's all about him screwing the nut. Cutting out the mistakes. Leaving Scotland - like he's not big enough to cope with the scrutiny. Disrespectful to one of our best products. Talking him down.

Cummings. Enough said. There'll be plenty along to tell you he wasn't that good. Yeah. Except when he was. Except when his goals were vital.

To say we aren't down on our own players is blinkered in the extreme.

Alternatively it’s blinkered to say we are down on our own players as if it’s a general rule.

Suggesting McGinn was ever talked down is nonsense. He was absolutely worshipped at Hibs (still is really) and id suggest that every Hibs fan knew he was exceptional.

You’ve picked out 3 names but what about all the others? Scott Allan was adored at Hibs. Martin Boyle was adored at Hibs. Daz and SDG, adored.

Rather than it being the case that people put our players down, maybe it’s really just the case that people have a slightly different opinion to each other? Nobody on here has ever suggested Porteous is crap, the debate really seems to centre around how much better than our level he is. Bit of a stretch to say that’s putting him down imo and the lack of any credible offers for him or any international recognition would really lend a bit of weight to the argument he’s not all that much better than our level.

Out of interest, for the people that think he’s exceptional, what level are you expecting him to leave us to go to? When you get down to it, I think near enough everybody is expecting him to go to mid table/bottom end Championship if he goes.

[CL0762]

If you've got a four million pound player and you think we're daft not to take 2mil then you're selling him short. Not far removed from talking him down. There were definitely people on this site that wanted us to take Celtic's offer.

Porteous has had it all along. Plenty on here wanted him dropped when he first came through. Even now when it is clear he was missed he isn't talked about like a top player - which he is for us. It's all about him screwing the nut. Cutting out the mistakes. Leaving Scotland - like he's not big enough to cope with the scrutiny. Disrespectful to one of our best products. Talking him down.

Cummings. Enough said. There'll be plenty along to tell you he wasn't that good. Yeah. Except when he was. Except when his goals were vital.

To say we aren't down on our own players is blinkered in the extreme.

How do you know what a ‘£4m’ player is though? It’s all fantasy and opinion based from fans because the vast majority of us know absolutely jack **** about the inner workings of transfers or how valuations work.

I don’t see anyone ‘talking down’ Porteous, merely giving their opinion on him as a footballer based on what we can see with our own eyes. He’s a very good player however is prone to lapses in concentration and also has periods of poor discipline.

In McGinn’s case, the selling club starts to lose their bargaining power when the contract gets to within 12 months of expiring as the buying club knows if they hold out for 6 months they can get them for free. In any case, we probably got above market value (if you look from a purely business standpoint) for McGinn as he wouldn’t have been on a mega bucks contract and you know that assets depreciate in value over time.

In Cummings case, I was gutted when he left and I’m sure a lot held the same opinion however, you’re also allowed to question mark him because he never done it for us in the premiership (and subsequently didn’t for Rangers & Dundee as well).

[brog]

Jullien was widely regarded as Celtics best CB until injury and a change of management saw him out of favour. Carter-Vickers has never played at a level above Championship/SPFL and Spurs let him go for chickenfeed, by their standards. I have no doubt Porteous could match them if given the opportunity and he could be Scotland CB for a decade. In fact he would already have been capped if he was at either of the uglies.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ok. Take the season prior to that, he played 36 league games and scored 7 goals.

That's not exactly a great return for an out and out centre forward.

While this is true, his partners scored 12 and 14 in that season, many of those goals he played a part in. The team was set up with those guys being the main threats. We played counter attacking football, not really a style that suits Doidges goalscoring talents, but does suit his talents to hold it up and make life hard for defenders.

Doidge should absolutely score more goals, he is too streaky in his goalscoring. But we're very rarely worse off for having him on the pitch. He also doesn't take any penalties or free kicks, something which helped big time to add to Boyle and Nisbets tallies.

[brog]

yeah I do know what you meant, you want to cherry pick stats so you can have a go at one of our players :rolleyes:

Talking about league goals, which IMO is the most accurate measure, is hardly cherrypicking stats.

[HibbyKeith]

The fact he wasn't even a guaranteed starter at Dundee says a lot.

Neither was Boyle! Sometimes players need a chance and time to shine at the higher level before you see the full potential.

Jasons ability to score goals was never in question. It was his lack of common sense and maturity that was the issue.

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[WhileTheChief..]

We've got to hope he performs clearly indicates there is a doubt he will.

No, it doesn’t. I’ve already explained. Stop stirring when it’s nowt to do with you!

[Libby Hibby]

His career has been in a downward spiral since his Rangers move didn’t work out.

Too often the case.

[Sioux]

Ryan is an excellent central defender but his reliability and potentially his temperament holds him well back. Much as I've been raging about the referees decisions for most of his red cards and the talk on here about him having a vendetta against him and the like, in every occasion he's given the referee a decision to make. When you're suspended for as many games as he was last season you become more and more of a gamble to sign. He needs to learn to be a bit more stoic in the big games.

That may all change with age and maturity though.

That's the same for every tackle any player, especially a defender, makes.

[McGruber]

Shankland signs for the gunts

[leithsansiro]

No idea how accurate it is or otherwise, but was told that we're looking at Jacob Davenport, who is a midfielder released by Blackburn. Fairly young at 23, was as at Man City as a youth and has played a reasonable number of games in the Championship.

Same guy who told me this rumour also suggested that we had made (or considered making?) an offer to Angus MacDonald, a centre-half who's instead signed for Swindon apparently.

Source is slightly hit or miss with things but has called a few things right in the past.

[04Sauzee]

No idea how accurate it is or otherwise, but was told that we're looking at Jacob Davenport, who is a midfielder released by Blackburn. Fairly young at 23, was as at Man City as a youth and has played a reasonable number of games in the Championship.

Same guy who told me this rumour also suggested that we had made (or considered making?) an offer to Angus MacDonald, a centre-half who's instead signed for Swindon apparently.

Source is slightly hit or miss with things but has called a few things right in the past.
Davenport was on trial at Reading last week/few days ago , he's not there anymore either not good enough or not what they want or he has offers elsewhere.

Looks like he's a defensive midfielder?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Neither was Boyle! Sometimes players need a chance and time to shine at the higher level before you see the full potential.

Jasons ability to score goals was never in question. It was his lack of common sense and maturity that was the issue.

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Boyler was on the rise in his career whereas Cummings was on a downward trajectory.

[JimBHibees]

No, it doesn’t. I’ve already explained. Stop stirring when it’s nowt to do with you!

:faf::faf: Time to get out the sun :greengrin

[Springbank]

Interesting that the neighbours in EH11 are far from enthused by the signing of Shankland - they reckon he'll put more pressure on their own midfield as he can't hold the ball up or be the outball that Simms provided.

Sounds like the boy Rowles has had an iffy start to his career over there too, judging by some comments.

7th august can't come round quick enough imo - a great chance to catch them on the hop

[Springbank]

Wouldn’t pay too much attention to some views on a fans forum, probably people who have nothing fact based to contribute so make stuff up.
Not saying that is the case, but I have heard from a source close to them that it might be the case in this instance.
Oh, hope I’m wrong.

I see what you did there :aok:

[04Sauzee]

Think we have a squad of 24 currently, that's not including players who were specifically signed as 'b' team player i-e McClelland, Delferriere and Hauge

Currently have 5 players injured although not sure how bad JDH is? and read on here that Stevenson took at knock at the weekend

There was also talk of Tait going out on loan.

We are obviously still waiting on permits for Tavares and Youan

Not sure if I have missed anyone?



1
David Marshall



2
Maciej Dabwrowski



3
Ryan Porteous



4
Paul Hanlon
(i)


5
Rocky Bushuri



6
Marijan Cabraja



7
Lewis Miller



8
Lewis Stevenson



9
Demitri Mitchell
(i)


10
Chris Cadden



11
Nohan Kenneh



12
Jake Doyle-Hayes
(i)


13
Josh Campbell



14
Joe Newell



15
Kyle Magenniss
(i)


16
Dylan Tait



17
Ewan Henderson



18
Aiden McGeady



19
Jair Tavares



20
Momadou Bojang



21
Kevin Nisbet
(i)


22
Elie Youan



23
Christian Doidge



24
Ellias Hoff Melkerson

[Paulie Walnuts]

Interesting that the neighbours in EH11 are far from enthused by the signing of Shankland - they reckon he'll put more pressure on their own midfield as he can't hold the ball up or be the outball that Simms provided.

Sounds like the boy Rowles has had an iffy start to his career over there too, judging by some comments.

7th august can't come round quick enough imo - a great chance to catch them on the hop

Rowes hasn’t played a minute yet?

They also from what I’ve seen seen fairly happy with Shankland :confused:

[04Sauzee]

Rowes hasn’t played a minute yet?

They also from what I’ve seen seen fairly happy with Shankland :confused:

Think he was listed as a trialist against Crawley. Hoping Hibs can do similar for Tavares etc against Norwich if their paperwork isn't through yet.

[04Sauzee]

Celtic announce double signing
Aaron Mooy and Moritz Jenz

[JammyDoidger]

Think he was listed as a trialist against Crawley. Hoping Hibs can do similar for Tavares etc against Norwich if their paperwork isn't through yet.

According to my hearts mate, His paperwork was through, but hearts hadn't signed him officially yet, made no sense to me.

[Unseen work]

Someone on here mentioned Davenport in January so will be interesting if there’s anything in it.

Was really highly rated but had a couple of injuries then struggled for minutes

[bingo70]

Someone on here mentioned Davenport in January so will be interesting if there’s anything in it.

Was really highly rated but had a couple of injuries then struggled for minutes

Is he another defensive midfielder though? Not sure that’s what we need.

[Hibbyradge]

Someone on here mentioned Davenport in January so will be interesting if there’s anything in it.

Was really highly rated but had a couple of injuries then struggled for minutes

I'd prefer we got someone in now...

[Unseen work]

Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill
Julian Jeanvier
Sam Hutchinson
Grant Ward
Jacob Davenport
Jodi Jones
Josh Murphy
Connor Wickham

All of the above were on trial at reading, with Davenport and Hutchinson previously linked here I wonder if we’re after anyone else.

The boy Jeanvier is an interesting one

[JimBHibees]

Is he another defensive midfielder though? Not sure that’s what we need.

Read an article on him seemed to be suggesting a left footed box to box player. Sounds though he likes an injury.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/20155713.jacob-davenport-offered-blackburn-rovers-contract-conundrum/

[Since452]

Shankland signs for the gunts

Incredibly short sighted signing by Neilson. The equivalent to us signing Jason Cummings.

[Springbank]

Rowes hasn’t played a minute yet?

They also from what I’ve seen seen fairly happy with Shankland :confused:

Played as a trialist, lacked presence, beaten too easily in the air [according to comments]

[04Sauzee]

Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill
Julian Jeanvier
Sam Hutchinson
Grant Ward
Jacob Davenport
Jodi Jones
Josh Murphy
Connor Wickham

All of the above were on trial at reading, with Davenport and Hutchinson previously linked here I wonder if we’re after anyone else.

The boy Jeanvier is an interesting one

Sam Hutchinson to Reading looking very likely.

[Lago]

Celtic announce double signing
Aaron Mooy and Moritz Jenz
Mooy great signing

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Shankland to the charity thieves 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[badabing67]

Off topic but are we using the same tickets this season as we did last season

[Green forever]

Off topic but are we using the same tickets this season as we did last season

New ones coming out at the end of the month.

[badabing67]

[QUOTE=Green forever;7029379]New ones coming out at the end of the month.[/Q

Cheers :aok:

[04Sauzee]

Ben Davies announced by The Rangers

[McD]

How many league goals has Doidge scored in the last 2 seasons?


Ok. Take the season prior to that, he played 36 league games and scored 7 goals.

That's not exactly a great return for an out and out centre forward.


While this is true, his partners scored 12 and 14 in that season, many of those goals he played a part in. The team was set up with those guys being the main threats. We played counter attacking football, not really a style that suits Doidges goalscoring talents, but does suit his talents to hold it up and make life hard for defenders.

Doidge should absolutely score more goals, he is too streaky in his goalscoring. But we're very rarely worse off for having him on the pitch. He also doesn't take any penalties or free kicks, something which helped big time to add to Boyle and Nisbets tallies.


a season where we comfortably finished 3rd, where he was a big part of the team/squad. As MWHIBBIES has said, he should score more, but he contributes in a lot of ways, not just in the goals tally (albeit a forward should be a contributor there). Neither Ross or Maloney were inclined towards attacking football, and he was often given little support due to injuries/formation/midfield that doesn’t push up.


Talking about league goals, which IMO is the most accurate measure, is hardly cherrypicking stats.


as you said, in your opinion. It is cherrypicking stats though, as you’re excluding certain data to support your argument. Goals per minute of play is a better measure (in my opinion :wink:), however even that doesn’t take into account the external factors and context.

extreme example, messi didn’t score anywhere near at PSG like he has across his career. Does that mean he’s a total failure, or is there context that says he’s in a different environment, different team and teammates, different style and being asked to do different things which had a direct affect on how many goals he scored?

Jim O’Rourke’s best seasons were alongside Alan Gordon. Without Gordon, he didn’t score as well. Riordan looked nothing like himself at Celtic but scored plenty at Hibs either side of that. Ally McCoist scored for fun at rangers but nothing like that for Sunderland or st Johnstone. Context matters, players perform better under certain circumstances with certain teammates, under certain managers. Hibs finished 10th of of 18 in 1964 under Walter Galbraith but immediately beat Real Madrid under jock stein and finished 4th out of 18 the following season with less than a full season under him.



I agree that Doidge should score more. I also think he gets a rough ride from fans because he gets distilled down to basic stats with little to no context about the situation, tactics, form (himself and teammates). We spent years bemoaning not having a physical presence up front, and wax lyrical about Brewster and mixu, both of whom weren’t prolific scorers but had positive impacts in other ways.

could we get a better striker? Almost certainly. Could we get worse? Definitely, and we’ve many examples of that. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try for improvements, but let’s not give the guy a kicking

[Since90+2]

a season where we comfortably finished 3rd, where he was a big part of the team/squad. As MWHIBBIES has said, he should score more, but he contributes in a lot of ways, not just in the goals tally (albeit a forward should be a contributor there). Neither Ross or Maloney were inclined towards attacking football, and he was often given little support due to injuries/formation/midfield that doesn’t push up.




as you said, in your opinion. It is cherrypicking stats though, as you’re excluding certain data to support your argument. Goals per minute of play is a better measure (in my opinion :wink:), however even that doesn’t take into account the external factors and context.

extreme example, messi didn’t score anywhere near at PSG like he has across his career. Does that mean he’s a total failure, or is there context that says he’s in a different environment, different team and teammates, different style and being asked to do different things which had a direct affect on how many goals he scored?

Jim O’Rourke’s best seasons were alongside Alan Gordon. Without Gordon, he didn’t score as well. Riordan looked nothing like himself at Celtic but scored plenty at Hibs either side of that. Ally McCoist scored for fun at rangers but nothing like that for Sunderland or st Johnstone. Context matters, players perform better under certain circumstances with certain teammates, under certain managers. Hibs finished 10th of of 18 in 1964 under Walter Galbraith but immediately beat Real Madrid under jock stein and finished 4th out of 18 the following season with less than a full season under him.



I agree that Doidge should score more. I also think he gets a rough ride from fans because he gets distilled down to basic stats with little to no context about the situation, tactics, form (himself and teammates). We spent years bemoaning not having a physical presence up front, and wax lyrical about Brewster and mixu, both of whom weren’t prolific scorers but had positive impacts in other ways.

could we get a better striker? Almost certainly. Could we get worse? Definitely, and we’ve many examples of that. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try for improvements, but let’s not give the guy a kicking

I've not cherry picked anything. All I've said is he scored 7 goals in 36 league games, which is a fact.

People can then make up their minds whether they think that is a good return or not or whether they believe his involvement in other areas covered that low number. It's the opposite of cherry picking.

[McD]

I've not cherry picked anything. All I've said is he scored 7 goals in 36 league games, which is a fact.

People can then make up their minds whether they think that is a good return or not or whether they believe his involvement in other areas covered that low number. It's the opposite of cherry picking.


if you say so, I’m not getting into an argument over the semantics of a phrase, although I disagree it’s the opposite

Yes it’s a fact he scored 7 in 36 league games, it’s also a fact that you’ve excluded specific matches and goals from his record, fair? That’s what these statistics are, using numbers to justify a position/argument - that’s not a dig, we all do it, every one of us.

doidge has averaged a goal a game this season.
Doidge has failed to score in 2/3s of games played this season.

Both these statements are factually correct, both provide a significantly different angle towards his goal scoring performances. The truth lies in far more than just these 2 facts, just as his contributions are measured in more than just simple statements like 7 in 36 league games.

[Stanton Spence]

if you say so, I’m not getting into an argument over the semantics of a phrase, although I disagree it’s the opposite

Yes it’s a fact he scored 7 in 36 league games, it’s also a fact that you’ve excluded specific matches and goals from his record, fair? That’s what these statistics are, using numbers to justify a position/argument - that’s not a dig, we all do it, every one of us.

doidge has averaged a goal a game this season.
Doidge has failed to score in 2/3s of games played this season.

Both these statements are factually correct, both provide a significantly different angle towards his goal scoring performances. The truth lies in far more than just these 2 facts, just as his contributions are measured in more than just simple statements like 7 in 36 league games.League goals are a very fair assessment for goals and much closer to the ability of any player and not cherry picking stats.
Cup games etc against poor opposition can bolster players record. I'm sure Simon Murray scored an incredible amount of goals before the season had even started one year

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Leon balogun worth a go? Or is he perma injured?

[Since90+2]

if you say so, I’m not getting into an argument over the semantics of a phrase, although I disagree it’s the opposite

Yes it’s a fact he scored 7 in 36 league games, it’s also a fact that you’ve excluded specific matches and goals from his record, fair? That’s what these statistics are, using numbers to justify a position/argument - that’s not a dig, we all do it, every one of us.

doidge has averaged a goal a game this season.
Doidge has failed to score in 2/3s of games played this season.

Both these statements are factually correct, both provide a significantly different angle towards his goal scoring performances. The truth lies in far more than just these 2 facts, just as his contributions are measured in more than just simple statements like 7 in 36 league games.

There's no semantics. He scored 7 goals in 36 league games. I've not excluded any matches or statistics. It's very simple what I presented, he scored x amount of goals in x amount of league games.

People can make up their minds on that if they believe that's at a required standard.

If you think that is cherry picking them I'd suggest you don't know what that phrase means.

[McD]

There's no semantics. He scored 7 goals in 36 league games.

People can make up their minds on that.

If you think that is cherry picking them I'd suggest you don't know what that phrase means.


aye ok, I’d suggest the same for you

btw, the semantics isn’t about 7 in 36, i stated that was a fact.


whatever, life’s too short to be going back and forth about this on the transfer thread, so I’ll wish you a good evening, and no hard feelings

[Tyler Durden]

Leon balogun worth a go? Or is he perma injured?

Well out of our price range and would imagine he’ll still play a lot of games for Rangers this season. Souttar will be injured for half the season as per

[04Sauzee]

Well out of our price range and would imagine he’ll still play a lot of games for Rangers this season. Souttar will be injured for half the season as per

Isn't he now out of contract?

[Heisenberg]

Well out of our price range and would imagine he’ll still play a lot of games for Rangers this season. Souttar will be injured for half the season as per

Sure he’s a free agent now.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Off topic but are we using the same tickets this season as we did last season

No...got the wrong dates on them😁

[Tyler Durden]

Isn't he now out of contract?

Looks like they let him go, hadn’t seen that. Davies is up an upgrade to be fair.

I still would believe he’s well out of our price range

[Unseen work]

Would 100% take Balogun.

Think we’ll see someone mid 20’s come in though

[AdidasHibernian]

Balogun would be a top signing tbf.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Dmas]

There was rumours Balogun was joining up with Michael Beale at QPR

[NC1875]

There was rumours Balogun was joining up with Michael Beale at QPR

Yup, Baloguns agent has sent a few players to QPR in recent seasons and I’d imagine that’s where he’ll end up.

[erin go bragh]

Mooy great signing

Was that the boy that St Mirren released and ended up signing for a premiership club for 10m

[Hibs90]

Any rumours on midfielders?

[CapitalGreen]

Any rumours on midfielders?

Yes, Jacob Davenport and rumours of a non-Englishman playing in England who would apparently command a decent fee.

[04Sauzee]

Stuart Findlay signs for Oxford Utd

[Lago]

Was that the boy that St Mirren released and ended up signing for a premiership club for 10m
That's the boy 👍

[xqnq1875]

Liam Lindsay supposedly been offered to a few Scottish clubs unsure if we’re one of them


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[Stevie Reid]

Liam Lindsay supposedly been offered to a few Scottish clubs unsure if we’re one of them


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Known very little of him previously, but just had a look as he's been mentioned on here before. A good age and has decent experience at a good level - seems he's right footed though, so would still like to see us get a left sided one in also.

[Vault Boy]

Liam Lindsay supposedly been offered to a few Scottish clubs unsure if we’re one of them


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Yes please.

Though I’ve admittedly not seen much of him these last couple of years - does anyone know why he hasn’t featured much for PNE?

[Souter96Mac]

Liam Lindsay supposedly been offered to a few Scottish clubs unsure if we’re one of them


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Would be a good signing, shame he's not left footed but would be happy if we signed him

[04Sauzee]

Liam Lindsay supposedly been offered to a few Scottish clubs unsure if we’re one of them


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Seems to have had a difficult couple of seasons form wise.

PNE play Hearts this evening in a friendly I think, be interesting to see if he plays and how he does

[erin go bragh]

Seems to have had a difficult couple of seasons form wise.

PNE play Hearts this evening in a friendly I think, be interesting to see if he plays and how he does

The pink Orcs might be in the driving seat if interested in him then

[LancsHibs]

Yes, Jacob Davenport and rumours of a non-Englishman playing in England who would apparently command a decent fee.

Assume Davenport is a defensive/holding type midfielder? Looking at his stats he’s only scored 2 goals in his career. Don’t know anything about him but has championship experience with Blackburn

[Hibs90]

Yes, Jacob Davenport and rumours of a non-Englishman playing in England who would apparently command a decent fee.

Cheers, missed the last few pages.

[JimBHibees]

Would be a good signing, shame he's not left footed but would be happy if we signed him

He is left footed isnt he?

[Stevie Reid]

He is left footed isnt he?

Transfermarkt says right sided, Jim - don’t know how accurate their info is though.

[Brightside]

He is left footed isnt he?

I'm sure he was left footed. I'd like us to follow this up tbh. 6ft4 26....

https://www.deepdaledigest.com/analysis/liam-lindsay-was-a-6m-premier-league-target-just-three-years-ago/

[04Sauzee]

Transfermarkt says right sided, Jim - don’t know how accurate their info is though.

Always thought he was left sides as well, not that I'm often right 😅

[Unseen work]

Lindsay is someone I previously would have 100% wanted us to have signed but a month or so ago when Preston submitted their retained list the majority of comments were slating him.

Looking into it a bit more it seemed like the opinion was he was injury prone but when he did play he’d get sent off or make big mistakes.

Think he’s pretty slow too so unsure how he’d fit into Johnson’s system

[JimBHibees]

I'm sure he was left footed. I'd like us to follow this up tbh. 6ft4 26....

https://www.deepdaledigest.com/analysis/liam-lindsay-was-a-6m-premier-league-target-just-three-years-ago/

Pretty sure I watched a TV game he played for Barnsley and was good and definitely remember him as being left sided but I am now doubting myself :greengrin.

Think he is left sided

[HoboHarry]

Always thought he was left sides as well, not that I'm often right 😅
Only person I know who is constantly right is my wife. If you don't believe me, ask her and she'll tell you......

[Souter96Mac]

Elliot Anderson asking to be kept in the Toon first team this season. The club hasn't been that active/successful in bringing in attacking players, so maybe a good chance he will be kept around. Can see that being a late decision, could be a deadline day signing for someone

[04Sauzee]

Hibs and Aberdeen looking at Shayden Morris according to Alan Nixon

If I remember correctly Nixon was adamant we were trying to sign Cole Stockton

[JimBHibees]

Hibs and Aberdeen looking at Shayden Morris according to Alan Nixon

If I remember correctly Nixon was adamant we were trying to sign Cole Stockings.

Did Stockton sign for another team?

[Hibiza]

Shame most players can only play with one foot here.

[Ringothedog]

Hibs and Aberdeen looking at Shayden Morris according to Alan Nixon

If I remember correctly Nixon was adamant we were trying to sign Cole Stockings.

Far better with fishnet stockings

[Unseen work]

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The Cod Army just about managed to stay in League One last season and finished in 20th place. They won’t want to face another campaign in which they will be just above the drop zone and will want to try and push on in the next campaign.

One player who did show glimpses of some talent last season for Town was Shayden Morris, who managed 26 league games and produced two goals despite being just 20-years-old.



Now, with Fleetwood not in the best position financially compared to some other teams, they may now have to sell the winger during the summer window. That’s because there are now two Scottish sides keen to try and snap him up in Aberdeen and Hibs and the lure of the Scottish Premier League could end up convincing him to move.

If a decent sized offer comes in, then it could be tempting for Fleetwood to cash in on Morris. A six-figure fee would be something that the side could consider – and even though he likely has the potential to get even better, it could be too good to turn down.



Prior to making his 13 starts for the Cod Army in the last campaign, he managed only five appearances the season earlier. However, Morris is now certainly on the scene and in the first-team picture – and clubs are sitting up and taking notice of the player this offseason.

The Verdict

Shayden Morris isn’t the most well-known and sought after player in League One or perhaps even at Fleetwood but the 20-year-old is certainly catching the eye in Scotland.



Aberdeen would be a very good move for the player when you think about where they expect to be in the Scottish Premier League. They want to be near the top of the table and near or in the European spots – and the youngster would no doubt jump at the chance to feature heavily in that kind of campaign.

Even Hibs could be a good move for the player compared to where Fleetwood are in the EFL. However, he is currently guaranteed at least a handful of minutes with the Cod Army and can be used as a rotation option.

If he can get the same amount of gametime in Scotland as he currently has with Fleetwood – and a big offer comes in – then it could be a very good move for the club and the player if it comes off this window

[JimBHibees]

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The Cod Army just about managed to stay in League One last season and finished in 20th place. They won’t want to face another campaign in which they will be just above the drop zone and will want to try and push on in the next campaign.

One player who did show glimpses of some talent last season for Town was Shayden Morris, who managed 26 league games and produced two goals despite being just 20-years-old.



Now, with Fleetwood not in the best position financially compared to some other teams, they may now have to sell the winger during the summer window. That’s because there are now two Scottish sides keen to try and snap him up in Aberdeen and Hibs and the lure of the Scottish Premier League could end up convincing him to move.

If a decent sized offer comes in, then it could be tempting for Fleetwood to cash in on Morris. A six-figure fee would be something that the side could consider – and even though he likely has the potential to get even better, it could be too good to turn down.



Prior to making his 13 starts for the Cod Army in the last campaign, he managed only five appearances the season earlier. However, Morris is now certainly on the scene and in the first-team picture – and clubs are sitting up and taking notice of the player this offseason.

The Verdict

Shayden Morris isn’t the most well-known and sought after player in League One or perhaps even at Fleetwood but the 20-year-old is certainly catching the eye in Scotland.



Aberdeen would be a very good move for the player when you think about where they expect to be in the Scottish Premier League. They want to be near the top of the table and near or in the European spots – and the youngster would no doubt jump at the chance to feature heavily in that kind of campaign.

Even Hibs could be a good move for the player compared to where Fleetwood are in the EFL. However, he is currently guaranteed at least a handful of minutes with the Cod Army and can be used as a rotation option.

If he can get the same amount of gametime in Scotland as he currently has with Fleetwood – and a big offer comes in – then it could be a very good move for the club and the player if it comes off this window

Even Hibs ?. We had a poor season last year but still were above super duper Aberdeen

[Jones28]

ABERDEEN AND HIBERNIAN IN TRANSFER TUSSLE FOR EFL FORWARD





The Cod Army just about managed to stay in League One last season and finished in 20th place. They won’t want to face another campaign in which they will be just above the drop zone and will want to try and push on in the next campaign.

One player who did show glimpses of some talent last season for Town was Shayden Morris, who managed 26 league games and produced two goals despite being just 20-years-old.



Now, with Fleetwood not in the best position financially compared to some other teams, they may now have to sell the winger during the summer window. That’s because there are now two Scottish sides keen to try and snap him up in Aberdeen and Hibs and the lure of the Scottish Premier League could end up convincing him to move.

If a decent sized offer comes in, then it could be tempting for Fleetwood to cash in on Morris. A six-figure fee would be something that the side could consider – and even though he likely has the potential to get even better, it could be too good to turn down.



Prior to making his 13 starts for the Cod Army in the last campaign, he managed only five appearances the season earlier. However, Morris is now certainly on the scene and in the first-team picture – and clubs are sitting up and taking notice of the player this offseason.

The Verdict

Shayden Morris isn’t the most well-known and sought after player in League One or perhaps even at Fleetwood but the 20-year-old is certainly catching the eye in Scotland.



Aberdeen would be a very good move for the player when you think about where they expect to be in the Scottish Premier League. They want to be near the top of the table and near or in the European spots – and the youngster would no doubt jump at the chance to feature heavily in that kind of campaign.

Even Hibs could be a good move for the player compared to where Fleetwood are in the EFL. However, he is currently guaranteed at least a handful of minutes with the Cod Army and can be used as a rotation option.

If he can get the same amount of gametime in Scotland as he currently has with Fleetwood – and a big offer comes in – then it could be a very good move for the club and the player if it comes off this window

Lazy as **** journalism to come to the conclusion that “even Hibs” would be a good option.

[BegbieHSC]

ABERDEEN AND HIBERNIAN IN TRANSFER TUSSLE FOR EFL FORWARD





The Cod Army just about managed to stay in League One last season and finished in 20th place. They won’t want to face another campaign in which they will be just above the drop zone and will want to try and push on in the next campaign.

One player who did show glimpses of some talent last season for Town was Shayden Morris, who managed 26 league games and produced two goals despite being just 20-years-old.



Now, with Fleetwood not in the best position financially compared to some other teams, they may now have to sell the winger during the summer window. That’s because there are now two Scottish sides keen to try and snap him up in Aberdeen and Hibs and the lure of the Scottish Premier League could end up convincing him to move.

If a decent sized offer comes in, then it could be tempting for Fleetwood to cash in on Morris. A six-figure fee would be something that the side could consider – and even though he likely has the potential to get even better, it could be too good to turn down.



Prior to making his 13 starts for the Cod Army in the last campaign, he managed only five appearances the season earlier. However, Morris is now certainly on the scene and in the first-team picture – and clubs are sitting up and taking notice of the player this offseason.

The Verdict

Shayden Morris isn’t the most well-known and sought after player in League One or perhaps even at Fleetwood but the 20-year-old is certainly catching the eye in Scotland.



Aberdeen would be a very good move for the player when you think about where they expect to be in the Scottish Premier League. They want to be near the top of the table and near or in the European spots – and the youngster would no doubt jump at the chance to feature heavily in that kind of campaign.

Even Hibs could be a good move for the player compared to where Fleetwood are in the EFL. However, he is currently guaranteed at least a handful of minutes with the Cod Army and can be used as a rotation option.

If he can get the same amount of gametime in Scotland as he currently has with Fleetwood – and a big offer comes in – then it could be a very good move for the club and the player if it comes off this window

Guarantee there’s no interest from us. This is just Aberdeen leaking that we’re interested in the same ***** player they are, so they can claim it’s a coup against us again.

[Stuart93]

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The Cod Army just about managed to stay in League One last season and finished in 20th place. They won’t want to face another campaign in which they will be just above the drop zone and will want to try and push on in the next campaign.

One player who did show glimpses of some talent last season for Town was Shayden Morris, who managed 26 league games and produced two goals despite being just 20-years-old.



Now, with Fleetwood not in the best position financially compared to some other teams, they may now have to sell the winger during the summer window. That’s because there are now two Scottish sides keen to try and snap him up in Aberdeen and Hibs and the lure of the Scottish Premier League could end up convincing him to move.

If a decent sized offer comes in, then it could be tempting for Fleetwood to cash in on Morris. A six-figure fee would be something that the side could consider – and even though he likely has the potential to get even better, it could be too good to turn down.



Prior to making his 13 starts for the Cod Army in the last campaign, he managed only five appearances the season earlier. However, Morris is now certainly on the scene and in the first-team picture – and clubs are sitting up and taking notice of the player this offseason.

The Verdict

Shayden Morris isn’t the most well-known and sought after player in League One or perhaps even at Fleetwood but the 20-year-old is certainly catching the eye in Scotland.



Aberdeen would be a very good move for the player when you think about where they expect to be in the Scottish Premier League. They want to be near the top of the table and near or in the European spots – and the youngster would no doubt jump at the chance to feature heavily in that kind of campaign.

Even Hibs could be a good move for the player compared to where Fleetwood are in the EFL. However, he is currently guaranteed at least a handful of minutes with the Cod Army and can be used as a rotation option.

If he can get the same amount of gametime in Scotland as he currently has with Fleetwood – and a big offer comes in – then it could be a very good move for the club and the player if it comes off this window

Never heard so much patronising pish

500k for a winger with 2 goals? No thanks.

[Since452]

ABERDEEN AND HIBERNIAN IN TRANSFER TUSSLE FOR EFL FORWARD





The Cod Army just about managed to stay in League One last season and finished in 20th place. They won’t want to face another campaign in which they will be just above the drop zone and will want to try and push on in the next campaign.

One player who did show glimpses of some talent last season for Town was Shayden Morris, who managed 26 league games and produced two goals despite being just 20-years-old.



Now, with Fleetwood not in the best position financially compared to some other teams, they may now have to sell the winger during the summer window. That’s because there are now two Scottish sides keen to try and snap him up in Aberdeen and Hibs and the lure of the Scottish Premier League could end up convincing him to move.

If a decent sized offer comes in, then it could be tempting for Fleetwood to cash in on Morris. A six-figure fee would be something that the side could consider – and even though he likely has the potential to get even better, it could be too good to turn down.



Prior to making his 13 starts for the Cod Army in the last campaign, he managed only five appearances the season earlier. However, Morris is now certainly on the scene and in the first-team picture – and clubs are sitting up and taking notice of the player this offseason.

The Verdict

Shayden Morris isn’t the most well-known and sought after player in League One or perhaps even at Fleetwood but the 20-year-old is certainly catching the eye in Scotland.



Aberdeen would be a very good move for the player when you think about where they expect to be in the Scottish Premier League. They want to be near the top of the table and near or in the European spots – and the youngster would no doubt jump at the chance to feature heavily in that kind of campaign.

Even Hibs could be a good move for the player compared to where Fleetwood are in the EFL. However, he is currently guaranteed at least a handful of minutes with the Cod Army and can be used as a rotation option.

If he can get the same amount of gametime in Scotland as he currently has with Fleetwood – and a big offer comes in – then it could be a very good move for the club and the player if it comes off this window

"Even Hibs" hahahaha

[Nicho87]

Even hibs…..

Your typical English type report

Fleetwood. Joke clubs with no history of note

[neil7908]

Even hibs…..

Your typical English type report

Fleetwood. Joke clubs with no history of note

Yup. Who the **** are Fleetwood Town? In fact, where is Fleetwood?

[CL0762]

Yup. Who the **** are Fleetwood Town? In fact, where is Fleetwood?

The last stop on the Blackpool tram going away from the pleasure beach

[blackpoolhibs]

The last stop on the Blackpool tram going away from the pleasure beach

My mates son works on the trams here, every day he never fails to ask him if he's been anywhere nice today. 😂

[Since452]

Yup. Who the **** are Fleetwood Town? In fact, where is Fleetwood?

The last sentence is exactly what Stevie Nicks asked at the end of a drug fulled binge about 40 years ago.

[CL0762]

My mates son works on the trams here, every day he never fails to ask him if he's been anywhere nice today. 😂

Tbf I used to love the trams as a bairn.

[Tambo]

Even Hibs lol Hibs would batter Fleetwood.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Even Hibs lol Hibs would batter Fleetwood.

:agree:

A diddy club who have never won anything outside the conference and constantly go bust and come back under a different name.

Gimps.

[04Sauzee]

Liam Lindsay supposedly been offered to a few Scottish clubs unsure if we’re one of them


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Starting for PNE tonight.

[Unseen work]

People laugh at hearts signing Forrest and Shankland, both would walk into our team.

We’ve received over 6 million in 6 months.

We need to invest in proven quality players who instantly improve the starting eleven.

Signing 20 year olds for a few hundred thousand with potential just don’t cut it

[Unseen work]

Also can’t help but thinking Doidge will leave.

Hat trick in 15 minutes or whatever it was and absolutely nothing apart from that.

Offers very little in this system

[Stuart93]

People laugh at hearts signing Forrest and Shankland, both would walk into our team.

We’ve received over 6 million in 6 months.

We need to invest in proven quality players who instantly improve the starting eleven.

Signing 20 year olds for a few hundred thousand with potential just don’t cut it

Yep was just about to say that. People laughing at Hearts signing shankland whilst we’ve bought a bunch of unknowns who look no better than what we were subjected to last season.

And doidge’s absolutely no better than Shankland in his current form.

Need to spend money and fast…then again, we’ve spent loads of money supposedly.

[GibbytheHibby2]

We need a leader in the middle of the park. Someone who will grab the team by the scruff of the neck and drive them to win!!

[BoomtownHibees]

Also can’t help but thinking Doidge will leave.


Hope so

Someone will be along shortly to tell us how him and Newell are top top players

[Stuart93]

We need a leader in the middle of the park. Someone who will grab the team by the scruff of the neck and drive them to win!!

Needed that since mcginn and Bartley to an extent went.

[scuttle]

People laugh at hearts signing Forrest and Shankland, both would walk into our team.

We’ve received over 6 million in 6 months.

We need to invest in proven quality players who instantly improve the starting eleven.

Signing 20 year olds for a few hundred thousand with potential just don’t cut it
Agree totally, and none of our new signings look any good,manager talks a good game and I can see how he got the job but we are weak at the back ,lightweight in midfield and powderpuff upfront. No high press,no attacking football. This is only going to end in tears either by sacking him early or we are in a relegation season.

[supermcginn]

Also can’t help but thinking Doidge will leave.

Hat trick in 15 minutes or whatever it was and absolutely nothing apart from that.

Offers very little in this system
He's finished. Youans work permit cannot come quickly enough.

[Stuart93]

He's finished. Youans work permit cannot come quickly enough.

As others are saying, he’s coming into a team with heaps of pressure on shoulders straight away

[FitbaFolkKen]

Even Hibs lol Hibs would batter Fleetwood.


:agree:

A diddy club who have never won anything outside the conference and constantly go bust and come back under a different name.

Gimps.

This aged well.... :wink:

[Dmas]

Also can’t help but thinking Doidge will leave.

Hat trick in 15 minutes or whatever it was and absolutely nothing apart from that.

Offers very little in this system

Everything I hate about doidge in the team tonight, no movement no hold up play and everyone else lumping crosses in towards him standing still in the box

[MagicSwirlingShip]

We need a leader in the middle of the park. Someone who will grab the team by the scruff of the neck and drive them to win!!

Unfortunately they don’t grow on trees

[Libby Hibby]

Unfortunately they don’t grow on trees

Shinnie is available, is he not?

[Tyler Durden]

Shinnie is available, is he not?

If he is then we need to pay the money for him.

I’m sure the coaching staff can see we need new midfielders. They’re not daft but they must also realise the longer this goes on the more pressure will build on them.

[Souter96Mac]

Supposedly Boyle was at the game tonight

[Nicho87]

If we signed Shankland and sold doidge it would be exciting

Instead we continue to go down the route of untried and untested young with the hope of blossoming route to make the club cash

I think youane is the best one we’ve signed by far, and we’ve still to see him play. The hibs board and Kensell should be looking at themselves in the mirror, all this BS of greenest club and match day entertainment etc.

We’re out of the league cup before the start of the league season.

LJ is under pressure already, couple of things have concerned me.

Opened with formations don’t matter too much
Referenced league cup as not knowing much about the format etc
No new midfielders required
Not confirming a captain?

Jury out.

[Unseen work]

Surely after the last 3 performances the board and Johnson are under no illusion that the squad need quality?

We’ve needed a centre half and centre mid for about 2/3 years.

And please sign a right winger

[andrew70]

Supposedly Boyle was at the game tonight

He was but just taking in the game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

People laugh at hearts signing Forrest and Shankland, both would walk into our team.

We’ve received over 6 million in 6 months.

We need to invest in proven quality players who instantly improve the starting eleven.

Signing 20 year olds for a few hundred thousand with potential just don’t cut it

Add McKay to that. Everyone pretended he wasn’t good enough for us when he signed for Hearts yet he’d improve us massively.

They’re miles ahead of us squad wise and unfortunately it’s also looking so far like manager wise as well.

[shamo9]

He was but just taking in the game.

Should have gone to the cinema.

[HairyMM]

Surely after the last 3 performances the board and Johnson are under no illusion that the squad need quality?

We’ve needed a centre half and centre mid for about 2/3 years.

And please sign a right winger

Apart from our goalkeeper there is no part of the current Hibs team anywhere near good enough…..Johnson talks about lack of cohesion but lack of quality is the real problem ……out of one cup already and the Board refuse to invest in a squad that failed the previous two managers …..what an embarrassment

[Iain G]

Decent centre half and a good midfielder away from a good team and still time to bring them in 🤞🏻

[scuttle]

Apart from our goalkeeper there is no part of the current Hibs team anywhere near good enough…..Johnson talks about lack of cohesion but lack of quality is the real problem ……out of one cup already and the Board refuse to invest in a squad that failed the previous two managers …..what an embarrassment
And Chris Cadden,but I’m struggling to think of any more

[The Modfather]

Our best hope is to somehow get Boyle back and let him single handedly mask a whole load of our issues again.

[superfurryhibby]

Hopefully the board waken up to the reality of what is staring us in the face. At least three in needed, otherwise it's going to be a tough season. Some wheeling and dealing too, I would also be looking at getting rid of the Newell, Doidge, JDH's, if anyone would realistically take them.

[S4uzee]

Decent centre half and a good midfielder away from a good team and still time to bring them in 🤞🏻

I don’t get that we’re only 2 players away as you say. This squad is so unbalanced and lacks any quality

[Iain G]

I don’t get that we’re only 2 players away as you say. This squad is so unbalanced and lacks any quality

Get that spine of the team in place and we have enough food players to work around it.

[Nicho87]

Out
Newell
Doidge
Campbell
Porteous
JDH
Hague (loan)
Campbell (loan)
Tait (loan)

In
Experienced - who know the league

[Mcbizz1998]

He was but just taking in the game.

How do you know that?

[Jones28]

We need bodies in now, expensive ones. Kennah is a prospect, not ready for the first team. Likewise Melkerson, Bojang etc.

It’s unfair on these lads to be chucked on and told to go and do something.

We need a spine of experience: centre half, midfielder, striker.


Hanlon returns from injury as my centre half: he has his critics but he’ll do for me.

I’d happily see us spend a million on a central midfielder and a couple on a striker.

[zitelli62]

Add McKay to that. Everyone pretended he wasn’t good enough for us when he signed for Hearts yet he’d improve us massively.

They’re miles ahead of us squad wise and unfortunately it’s also looking so far like manager wise as well.

Hearts fans didn't say that after the Brora game.

[marinello59]

We need bodies in now, expensive ones. Kennah is a prospect, not ready for the first team. Likewise Melkerson, Bojang etc.

It’s unfair on these lads to be chucked on and told to go and do something.

We need a spine of experience: centre half, midfielder, striker.


Hanlon returns from injury as my centre half: he has his critics but he’ll do for me.

I’d happily see us spend a million on a central midfielder and a couple on a striker.

Aye, but we are adding value to them apparently.

[Haymaker]

Griffiths is still available. He'd have scored a penalty no doubt and a few during the 90 as well. :agree:

[JamesHFC]

Out
Newell
Doidge
Campbell
Porteous
JDH
Hague (loan)
Campbell (loan)
Tait (loan)

In
Experienced - who know the league

Pretty much this. It’s all good signing players for the future and it may lead to good things a few years down the line but we need experienced players for the present before we get left behind other teams pushing ahead of us taking in all that European money etc.

Marshall and McGeady are two good experienced signings. We need at least another two or three more imo.

[nellio]

Griffiths is still available. He'd have scored a penalty no doubt and a few during the 90 as well. :agree:

Got to be worth a shot. Still has quality in him.

[where'stheslope]

Out
Newell
Doidge
Campbell
Porteous
JDH
Hague (loan)
Campbell (loan)
Tait (loan)

In
Experienced - who know the league
So you want us to buy nearly a full team of experienced players???
Was it £30 million we got for Doig???
We need the players we have to stand up and be counted, maybe get in 1 or 2 new recruits, but no way change half a team!!!

[Stuart93]

For me it’s all fine and well having a model where you bring in young players, hopefully building them up and selling on for big profit but you can’t have a full team of youngsters with the hope of doing that.

You should be slowly introducing them into the team preferably one that’s doing well with more experienced guys at the helm.

We’re concentrating far too much on this model. As others have said if it was that easy to fill your team full of youngsters, be successful and sell them on for mega bucks every club would be doing it.

[Jones28]

Aye, but we are adding value to them apparently.

I think we will eventually, for every rough diamond we polish there will be a few duds. But ffs surely they can see now where we need to improve?

[Scotty Leither]

Hopefully the board waken up to the reality of what is staring us in the face. At least three in needed, otherwise it's going to be a tough season. Some wheeling and dealing too, I would also be looking at getting rid of the Newell, Doidge, JDH's, if anyone would realistically take them.

I wouldn't bet on it. Someone said on here a couple of weeks ago that the club are p1ssed off with the criticism they're getting.

Beneath the veneer, Gordon strikes me as a typical ruthless business owner who will brook no dissent, and will look on chippy fans pushing back at the club as simply white noise.

My main worry with him is he doesn't "get" Scottish football and the competitive nature of the game here, where results are everything, especially for fans of Hibs as we are the ultimate under-achievers in Scotland.

I like the smartening up of the ground and the facilities; the fireworks and the opera singers leave me cold however, and I get an uneasy feeling it's all about the "game-day experience" with him, with the performance of the team and the result somehow secondary to the razamatazz.

[B.H.F.C]

Supposedly Boyle was at the game tonight

Aye and he’s now looking forward to getting back to the Saudi Arabian second division.

[NC1875]

So you want us to buy nearly a full team of experienced players???
Was it £30 million we got for Doig???
We need the players we have to stand up and be counted, maybe get in 1 or 2 new recruits, but no way change half a team!!!

Stand up and be counted ? The biggest bunch of *****bags you’ll ever meet in your life.

[zitelli62]

Got to be worth a shot. Still has quality in him.

You know what why no at least he would give 100% unlike some of the imposters we have.

[B.H.F.C]

Out
Newell
Doidge
Campbell
Porteous
JDH
Hague (loan)
Campbell (loan)
Tait (loan)

In
Experienced - who know the league

Any Hibs team that have done all right in the league, in the fairly recent past, have predominantly been made up of players who know and understand the game here. We just look like a random collection of individuals.

[xqnq1875]

Another cm should be a top priority now, joe newell is an absolute coward of a player, another St as well doidge has been Absolutely honking so far


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[SaulGoodman]

Tell you what next signing better be a big one

[Scottie]

Tell you what next signing better be a big one
Adi Akinfenwa ? Just retired but would breeze into our team atm. That’s as big as we’re gonna get :wink:

[Stuart93]

Spend the Doig money.

Anymore signings have to be quality over just adding more quantity.

2 or 3 quality signings for the spine.

[eastmainsmsh]

Our best hope is to somehow get Boyle back and let him single handedly mask a whole load of our issues again.

If Boyle available Would like Ron to go all out and make it happen would take him Serious then

[Heisenberg]

Another one or two to be recruited according to the manager. Left sided centre half and a properly good central midfielder. Two signings that will immediately lift the level of the team. Not untested kids. Will it happen? I highly doubt it.

[Stuart93]

Another one or two to be recruited according to the manager. Left sided centre half and a properly good central midfielder. Two signings that will immediately lift the level of the team. Not untested kids. Will it happen? I highly doubt it.

Be some lower league guff from down south.

[04Sauzee]

Another one or two to be recruited according to the manager. Left sided centre half and a properly good central midfielder. Two signings that will immediately lift the level of the team. Not untested kids. Will it happen? I highly doubt it.

Did he say that again after the game or is this from what he said a week ago?
Has he come out and said what positions he's filling?

Didn't hear any interview or anything after the game which is why I'm asking.

Last I hear him say is maybe none possibly 1 and perhaps 2.

[SaulGoodman]

Be some lower league guff from down south.

I hear there’s a promising 19 year old from the Laos 2nd division that we’re keeping tabs on

[Heisenberg]

Did he say that again after the game or is this from what he said a week ago?
Has he come out and said what positions he's filling?

Didn't hear any interview or anything after the game which is why I'm asking.

Last I hear him say is maybe none possibly 1 and perhaps 2.

Just took it from here

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-havent-been-good-enough-admits-lee-johnson-as-premier-sports-cup-hopes-hang-by-a-thread-3776430

[NC1875]

Some 17 year old from the Iranian 3rd division incoming.

[Jones28]

I hear there’s a promising 19 year old from the Laos 2nd division that we’re keeping tabs on

Nowhere near obscure enough for me.

[Chorley Hibee]

Don't worry, we've still got the usual desperate, last minute loans to join up.

Absolutely fed up to the back teeth of the utter neglect that has been shown towards the first team.

Kenneh, Melkersen, Tavares, Bojang, Miller - not a single one of them look anything like being capable of taking us to where we want to be.

As someone said earlier, it's a collection of nobodies, similar to the scattergun approach of Hearts prior to last season, one which we all fell about laughing at.

That's before we get started on Doidge, Newell, JDH, Campbell etc - all players that should have been replaced, but here we are, yet again, with them making up a core part of the side.

I can't believe that we've ended up in this mess once again!

[Stuart93]

Don't worry, we've still got the usual desperate, last minute loans to join up.

Absolutely fed up to the back teeth of the utter neglect that has been shown towards the first team.

Kenneh, Melkersen, Tavares, Bojang, Miller - not a single one of them look anything like being capable of taking us to where we want to be.

As someone said earlier, it's a collection of nobodies, similar to the scattergun approach of Hearts prior to last season, one which we all fell about laughing at.

That's before we get started on Doidge, Newell, JDH, Campbell etc - all players that should have been replaced, but here we are, yet again, with them making up a core part of the side.

I can't believe that we've ended up in this mess once again!

Aye but the stadium looks nice and we’ve got banging hospitality suites

Not to mention the whole fire and singers and **** before the derby to look forward to.

[Real Emerald]

Just took it from here

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-havent-been-good-enough-admits-lee-johnson-as-premier-sports-cup-hopes-hang-by-a-thread-3776430

The excuses are pitiful and we’ll be nowhere near competive in our first game. It’s already looking worse than last year when we at least looked like an organised competitive team at the beginning of the season. We’re assembling a Hamilton type squad hoping something clicks with a manager who seems to be clueless as how to get the players to perform. Unprofessional, embarrassing and extremely worrying.

[SaulGoodman]

The excuses are pitiful and we’ll be nowhere near competive in our first game. It’s already looking worse than last year when we at least looked like an organised competitive team at the beginning of the season. We’re assembling a Hamilton type squad hoping something clicks with a manager who seems to be clueless as how to get the players to perform. Unprofessional, embarrassing and extremely worrying.

Thought that as well when I read it, blaming the fact there wasn’t a fourth official.. wtf?

[Hibs90]

Just took it from here

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-havent-been-good-enough-admits-lee-johnson-as-premier-sports-cup-hopes-hang-by-a-thread-3776430

Competitive? 😂

[green day]

Thought that as well when I read it, blaming the fact there wasn’t a fourth official.. wtf?

To be fair, he wasn't blaming it on not having a 4th official.

I rather suspect if a 4th had been there he may have been asking them about the timewasting.