Summer 2022-23 transfer thread

[J-C]

And did we have to agree personal terms with him as well ? Just give him what he wants because he played x amount of games. What a load of *****.


I would assume that when he joined he'd be aware of any clauses in the deal and he'd need to agree a wage and contract length prior to signing on loan, we haven't just sat him down after 2 days and knocked up a quick deal.

[Lester B]

I think people should trust Scoopyboy on this one

Why?

[Since90+2]

The clubs own statement says nothing of the sort that we were forced to sign him. It’s people assuming things.

Did we have to pay him what he wanted as well ? We might have had a fee agreed with Norwich but did we have to agree personal terms ?

Or are you telling us we agreed personal terms with him away back in January just incase we wanted to sign him 😂

If the option to buy was written in the contract I'd assume that his salary was also confirmed at that time. I don't know why that's apparently so hilarious, sounds like the normal course of action.

[Vault Boy]

The clubs own statement says nothing of the sort that we were forced to sign him. It’s people assuming things.

Did we have to pay him what he wanted as well ? We might have had a fee agreed with Norwich but did we have to agree personal terms ?

Or are you telling us we agreed personal terms with him away back in January just incase we wanted to sign him 😂

Well, yes. It's a common part of this kind of practice. The contract was agreed in January. It's not unprecedented.

[NC1875]

The 22-year-old centre-half has penned a three-year deal with the Club after an option in his original loan agreement was triggered through a certain number of appearances. The terms of the agreement will remain undisclosed.

There's exactly what it says, since when did Hibs explain why they signed someone? It's as if they are trying to justify it.

I hardly ever criticise Hibs on these boards but I feel they have erred badly here, they thought at one point they weren't having to sign him but Norwich had us over a barrel.

You can post it as many times as you want, you’re still assuming we were forced to sign him. Yeah, because thats an everyday occurrence in football.

Still not one answer on his personal terms. You think we agreed them with Norwich as well and Rocky just takes what he gets ?

It’s more likely a badly written statement, and people are jumping all over it to bash the club.

[J-C]

Why?


He has been right on many things over the years on this board and will never BS anyone.

[NC1875]

I would assume that when he joined he'd be aware of any clauses in the deal and he'd need to agree a wage and contract length prior to signing on loan, we haven't just sat him down after 2 days and knocked up a quick deal.

So he agrees to a contract 6 months before he actually signs it, come on!

He could’ve come up here and been superb, had far bigger clubs than us after him, offering far more money. But his agent told him to sign a contract that might come into play 6 months down the line 😂

[J-C]

You can post it as many times as you want, you’re still assuming we were forced to sign him. Yeah, because thats an everyday occurrence in football.

Still not one answer on his personal terms. You think we agreed them with Norwich as well and Rocky just takes what he gets ?

It’s more likely a badly written statement, and people are jumping all over it to bash the club.

Why would we agree terms with Norwich when the wage is for Rocky, we only agree with Norwich what we pay for his loan.

[Blaster]

Why?

Because he is correct. His info is always spot on and it is again.

[NC1875]

Why would we agree terms with Norwich when the wage is for Rocky, we only agree with Norwich what we pay for his loan.

That’s my point. We can agree a fee with Norwich which kicks in if he plays so many games.

We still have to agree terms with Rocky. If we didn’t want him, we offer him peanuts and he rejects it.

[J-C]

So he agrees to a contract 6 months before he actually signs it, come on!

He could’ve come up here and been superb, had far bigger clubs than us after him, offering far more money. But his agent told him to sign a contract that might come into play 6 months down the line 😂


You do realise we signed Henderson on a loan with him joining permanently at the start of this season, that would mean he agreed to the terms of his permanent deal when he sign on loan.

[Billy Whizz]

The 22-year-old centre-half has penned a three-year deal with the Club after an option in his original loan agreement was triggered through a certain number of appearances. The terms of the agreement will remain undisclosed.

There's exactly what it says, since when did Hibs explain why they signed someone? It's as if they are trying to justify it.

I hardly ever criticise Hibs on these boards but I feel they have erred badly here, they thought at one point they weren't having to sign him but Norwich had us over a barrel.

Norwich only had us over a barrel as we didn’t monitor the loan contract!
We lost a key member of staff a few months ago, Finlay Stark, and his replacement only started last week. Looks like we’ve taken our eye off the ball, and it’s a really expensive mistake to make

[GreenPJ]

I struggle to see how if we really didn't want him that a solution would have been found and it would not have been public.

I am guessing that if we really don't want him I would expect him to go out on loan asap.

[J-C]

That’s my point. We can agree a fee with Norwich which kicks in if he plays so many games.

We still have to agree terms with Rocky. If we didn’t want him, we offer him peanuts and he rejects it.


But Rocky wouldn't agree to a permanent move to us without knowing what his wages are going to be, no one would ever agree to that, I still don't get how you cannot understand that.

[Bridge hibs]

In amongst Ian Gordon's cryptic statement there was the gem that Bushri was "the youngest ever player to play for Oostend".

Guff like that is what I would call "embarrassing".Why is it embarrassing ? Wasnt he the youngest ? Norwich City certainly rated him

Belgian Under-21 defender Rocky Bushiri joined Norwich's Under-23s on 8th July 2019, signing a four year deal.

Bushiri joined the youth academy of K.V. Oostende in 2012 after impressing in a provincial tournament representing Walloon Brabant. He signed his first professional contract with Oostende in June 2017, for 2 years He made his professional debut in a 1-0 Belgian First Division A loss to KV Mechelen on 9th December 2017, becoming the youngest ever debutant for Oostende. He was loaned to Eupen making 33 appearances. He has been capped five times for the Belgium Under-21 side including playing in the European Under-21 Championship in Italy and San Marino in June 2019.

[scoopyboy]

You can post it as many times as you want, you’re still assuming we were forced to sign him. Yeah, because thats an everyday occurrence in football.

Still not one answer on his personal terms. You think we agreed them with Norwich as well and Rocky just takes what he gets ?

It’s more likely a badly written statement, and people are jumping all over it to bash the club.

Of course the personal terms were agreed at the time of the loan, the document was legally watertight.

What would be the point of having an option to buy if the player hadn't previously agreed personal terms, any player could just veto any move by saying he wouldn't accept the terms.

What I am saying on this thread is what has happened and you can believe it or not, I couldn't care one way or another what you think.

I post on here and on the private members board decent information and there's plenty posters will testify to that, I simply don't post to gain plaudits or to appear to be ITK.

[scoopyboy]

Norwich only had us over a barrel as we didn’t monitor the loan contract!
We lost a key member of staff a few months ago, Finlay Stark, and his replacement only started last week. Looks like we’ve taken our eye off the ball, and it’s a really expensive mistake to make

Correct Billy, a lot of good people have left the club recently.

[NC1875]

But Rocky wouldn't agree to a permanent move to us without knowing what his wages are going to be, no one would ever agree to that, I still don't get how you cannot understand that.

We can have an option to buy at the end of a loan spell. Doesn’t mean the player needs to agree terms if we meet the clubs valuation. Same as any transfer. What do you not understand about that ?

It’s also Completely different to Henderson’s as he was signing permanently. Rocky wasn’t.

[Mcbizz1998]

When was Bushiri’s last game for us? Did he play right up until the end of the season?

[J-C]

Of course the personal terms were agreed at the time of the loan, the document was legally watertight.

What would be the point of having an option to buy if the player hadn't previously agreed personal terms, any player could just veto any move by saying he wouldn't accept the terms.

What I am saying on this thread is what has happened and you can believe it or not, I couldn't care one way or another what you think.

I post on here and on the private members board decent information and there's plenty posters will testify to that, I simply don't post to gain plaudits or to appear to be ITK.


:top marks

[scoopyboy]

But Rocky wouldn't agree to a permanent move to us without knowing what his wages are going to be, no one would ever agree to that, I still don't get how you cannot understand that.

Waste of time J-C

[Paulie Walnuts]

The 22-year-old centre-half has penned a three-year deal with the Club after an option in his original loan agreement was triggered through a certain number of appearances. The terms of the agreement will remain undisclosed.

There's exactly what it says, since when did Hibs explain why they signed someone? It's as if they are trying to justify it.

I hardly ever criticise Hibs on these boards but I feel they have erred badly here, they thought at one point they weren't having to sign him but Norwich had us over a barrel.

:agree:

[Paloschi]

So the leaks coming out of the club continue.

Mistake or not, I am happy with the signing. A young and promising centre back who is capped at U21 level for the nation ranked 1 in the world. Let’s stop being so dramatic. Football clubs, like humans make mistakes. This one will have a good outcome for us.

Welcome home Rocky 🇧🇪 🥊

[JohnM1875]

When was Bushiri’s last game for us? Did he play right up until the end of the season?

Started the 3-1 defeat away to Dundee.

[Dmas]

Contractual obligations exist, though. I don't know why it's being treated as if this can't possibly have happened. It could have.

There's nothing embarrassing about believing Scoopy, who has a long and reliable track record of gathering information. Especially in the face of the club's own statement.


we had an OPTION to buy Rocky after his loan spell, that OPTION was triggered IF he made x amount of games, he met that figure and hibs have taken up that OPTION.

Hibs weren't confident on Rocky's fitness from the word go, Maloney said many times he had to use him much more than he thought he would early on around the time Hanlon was out injured.

The Club negotiate deals and fee's with the selling club, the deals with players are serperate to that, had the loan deal for Rocky included a MANDATORY buy the contract to the player would be seperate, if Hibs did not want Rocky but bound to buy contractually would they have given him the offer of a 3 year contract? or would it have made more sense to give him 6months - 1 year

[allezsauzee]

You can post it as many times as you want, you’re still assuming we were forced to sign him. Yeah, because thats an everyday occurrence in football.

Still not one answer on his personal terms. You think we agreed them with Norwich as well and Rocky just takes what he gets ?

It’s more likely a badly written statement, and people are jumping all over it to bash the club.

I would view us being forced by a legal agreement to sign the player more favourably than our recruitment team actually thinking we should sign him based on his performances tbh. An expensive admin error would be better than us continuing to sign sub-standard players.

[B.H.F.C]

When was Bushiri’s last game for us? Did he play right up until the end of the season?

Played at Dundee, second last game of the season.

[Billy Whizz]

Correct Billy, a lot of good people have left the club recently.

Trust all your info, Scoopyboy, your a top lad
Finlay was on a pittance as well, and got a great job at Brighton

[Bostonhibby]

Of course the personal terms were agreed at the time of the loan, the document was legally watertight.

What would be the point of having an option to buy if the player hadn't previously agreed personal terms, any player could just veto any move by saying he wouldn't accept the terms.

What I am saying on this thread is what has happened and you can believe it or not, I couldn't care one way or another what you think.

I post on here and on the private members board decent information and there's plenty posters will testify to that, I simply don't post to gain plaudits or to appear to be ITK.Yep, you certainly do post in that way, over a very long time.

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[scoopyboy]

When was Bushiri’s last game for us? Did he play right up until the end of the season?

Played 3 minutes against Aberdeen in the third last game of the season and full game up at Dens in the second last.

Would hate to think these meaningless games triggered the contract

[Gatecrasher]

So we sign McGinn on then tell him he's not in the managemers plans and now the Rocky situation.

Clubs a ****in joke man :hilarious

[J-C]

We can have an option to buy at the end of a loan spell. Doesn’t mean the player needs to agree terms if we meet the clubs valuation. Same as any transfer. What do you not understand about that ?

It’s also Completely different to Henderson’s as he was signing permanently. Rocky wasn’t.


But Rocky was signing permanently if the clause in the loan deal is triggered.

Can you imagine the conversation.

Hibs - we might trigger the clause to make you a Hibs player at the end of the loan
Rocky - How much will you be paying me as I might want to keep my options open if the deal isn't what I want
Hibs - We're not telling you yet, we'll keep that a secret until we trigger the clause.
Rocky - Aye ok then I'll just have to trust you'll give me the correct wages I deserve.

Have I got that right for your narrative.

[Lago]

A perfect summary of the nonsense flying about here today. There are some people on this thread talking some sense but the idea we’ve signed Rocky by mistake and have compounded this by declaring as much? I genuinely worry about the cognitive ability of some people here
It would seem that some fans will use any stick to beat the club with.

[scoopyboy]

I struggle to see how if we really didn't want him that a solution would have been found and it would not have been public.

I am guessing that if we really don't want him I would expect him to go out on loan asap.

I think that is what will happen, we will still lose money however but it will be damage limitation.

[Vault Boy]

we had an OPTION to buy Rocky after his loan spell, that OPTION was triggered IF he made x amount of games, he met that figure and hibs have taken up that OPTION.

Hibs weren't confident on Rocky's fitness from the word go, Maloney said many times he had to use him much more than he thought he would early on around the time Hanlon was out injured.

The Club negotiate deals and fee's with the selling club, the deals with players are serperate to that, had the loan deal for Rocky included a MANDATORY buy the contract to the player would be seperate, if Hibs did not want Rocky but bound to buy contractually would they have given him the offer of a 3 year contract? or would it have made more sense to give him 6months - 1 year

Options can become obligations if certain parameters are hit. It's clear from our statement that there was an appearance based clause in the deal that wasn't stated explicitly when he was signed in January.

Also, sure a player's contract is negotiated separately to the transfer fee, but it doesn't mean that a selling club can't demand that this is also watertight before agreeing to the loan. Capitalising the word 'option' doesn't help, by the way. I don't doubt this particular narrative because of an inability to read haha.

[Since90+2]

So he agrees to a contract 6 months before he actually signs it, come on!



You do realise this happens every single time a pre contract is agreed?

[NC1875]

It would seem that some fans will use any stick to beat the club with.

Exactly. Absolute mental this place. So many people who know all the clubs dealings.

Have you ever heard of a football club being forced to sign someone ? I certainly haven’t but apparently we’re 1st at something for once.

[Billy Whizz]

Options can become obligations if certain parameters are hit. It's clear from our statement that there was an appearance based clause in the deal that wasn't stated explicitly when he was signed in January.

Also, sure a player's contract is negotiated separately to the transfer fee, but it doesn't mean that a selling club can't demand that this is also watertight before agreeing to the loan. Capitalising the word 'option' doesn't help, by the way. I don't doubt this particular narrative because of an inability to read haha.

I don’t think we needed to mention this in January, but we should 100% be monitoring it!
An old Club Secretary would have been all over this

[J-C]

So we sign McGinn on then tell him he's not in the managemers plans and now the Rocky situation.

Clubs a ****in joke man :hilarious


Nope wrong, McGinn had an extension option in his contract that after a certain amount of games he could trigger the extension, it was in his original contract and wasn't a re signing. McGinn is just looking after himself by triggering the option, he either sits on his arse for a season or finds another club.

[JohnM1875]

Exactly. Absolute mental this place. So many people who know all the clubs dealings.

Have you ever heard of a football club being forced to sign someone ? I certainly haven’t but apparently we’re 1st at something for once.

I don't really get what you're not getting about it?

We signed Rocky on loan in January. In the loan agreement there was a clause if he played a certain number of games the loan would become permanent. At that time the length of the permanent deal and wage would have been agreed with the player. Happens in football all the time all over the world.

Kulusevski is on an 18 month loan at Spurs just now and they have an option to buy at the end of that. All the details will have already been agreed with Juve and Kulusevski about the permanent deal.

[Vault Boy]

I don’t think we needed to mention this in January, but we should 100% be monitoring it!
An old Club Secretary would have been all over this

No, absolutely Billy. The intricacies of most transfer dealings will remain private, and rightfully so. Hopefully Derek Whyte will be on top of this stuff when in post.

[Rumble de Thump]

Options can become obligations if certain parameters are hit. It's clear from our statement that there was an appearance based clause in the deal that wasn't stated explicitly when he was signed in January.

Also, sure a player's contract is negotiated separately to the transfer fee, but it doesn't mean that a selling club can't demand that this is also watertight before agreeing to the loan. Capitalising the word 'option' doesn't help, by the way. I don't doubt this particular narrative because of an inability to read haha.

This was an option.

[Blaster]

Exactly. Absolute mental this place. So many people who know all the clubs dealings.

Have you ever heard of a football club being forced to sign someone ? I certainly haven’t but apparently we’re 1st at something for once.

Why do you think it wasn’t announced straight away? If everything was as clear as you make out, why was he on the players returning to their clubs last week?

I’m generally a happy clapper and back the club on most things but they made a mistake here and paying the price

[scoopyboy]

I don't really get what you're not getting about it?

We signed Rocky on loan in January. In the loan agreement there was a clause if he played a certain number of games the loan would become permanent. At that time the length of the permanent deal and wage would have been agreed with the player. Happens in football all the time all over the world.

Kulusevski is on an 18 month loan at Spurs just now and they have an option to buy at the end of that. All the details will have already been agreed with Juve and Kulusevski about the permanent deal.

He's not even trying to understand what people are trying to tell him.

We are all Hibs fans but sometimes the club has to be questioned over their actions.

The Rocky transfer is one of them, how ironic would it turn out to be if he was a riproaring success and was sold for millions:greengrin

We can but hope

[Gatecrasher]

Nope wrong, McGinn had an extension option in his contract that after a certain amount of games he could trigger the extension, it was in his original contract and wasn't a re signing. McGinn is just looking after himself by triggering the option, he either sits on his arse for a season or finds another club.

So why did hibs say


Hibernian Football Club is pleased to confirm that following a trigger in the player's contract, the Club has decided to take up the option to extend Paul McGinn's contract for an extra year.

[Billy Whizz]

Why do you think it wasn’t announced straight away? If everything was as clear as you make out, why was he on the players returning to their clubs last week?

I’m generally a happy clapper and back the club on most things but they made a mistake here and paying the price

The fans will ultimately pay the price

[LeithMike]

It would seem that some fans will use any stick to beat the club with.Have you ever thought that the converse may be true too? It would seem that no matter what the reality some fans will blindly defend the club.

A bit of objectivity shows this has been a right royal mess up.

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[jakedance]

I’ve no idea how we’ve come to signing Rocky, but I’m pretty sure he’s not good enough. I hope he proves me wrong but I was far from convinced watching him. This doesn’t give me much confidence we’re about to start making better recruitment decisions.

[ahibby]

I don't really get what you're not getting about it?

We signed Rocky on loan in January. In the loan agreement there was a clause if he played a certain number of games the loan would become permanent. At that time the length of the permanent deal and wage would have been agreed with the player. Happens in football all the time all over the world.

Kulusevski is on an 18 month loan at Spurs just now and they have an option to buy at the end of that. All the details will have already been agreed with Juve and Kulusevski about the permanent deal.

But that doeant mean Spurs have to go ahead only that they have the option.

[JohnM1875]

But that doeant mean Spurs have to go ahead only that they have the option.

Clauses in the Spurs one as well;

'Spurs would also be obliged to sign the ex-Parma ace if they qualify for the Champions League for the 2023-24 season.'

Which is clearly what's happened to us with Rocky. Not the qualifying for the Champions League part 💔

[scoopyboy]

So why did hibs say

A very good point Gatecrasher.

My understanding is that Paul McGinn took up the option weeks ago, before Lee Johnson was appointed but Hibs chose not to make it public knowledge until recently.

Another first team player signed an extension a few weeks back but that hasn't been announced either.

[ahibby]

Have you ever thought that the converse may be true too? It would seem that no matter what the reality some fans will blindly defend the club.

A bit of objectivity shows this has been a right royal mess up.

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Thats the take you choose not objectivity nor reality that you can prove.

[04Sauzee]

Clauses in the Spurs one as well;

'Spurs would also be obliged to sign the ex-Parma ace if they qualify for the Champions League for the 2023-24 season.'

Which is clearly what's happened to us with Rocky.
Yesssssssss looking out my passport 😁

[04Sauzee]

A very good point Gatecrasher.

My understanding is that Paul McGinn took up the option weeks ago, before Lee Johnson was appointed but Hibs chose not to make it public knowledge until recently.

Another first team player signed an extension a few weeks back but that hasn't been announced either.

Cadden ?

[JohnM1875]

Yesssssssss looking out my passport 😁

Just edited it but was too slow 😂

[ahibby]

Clauses in the Spurs one as well;

'Spurs would also be obliged to sign the ex-Parma ace if they qualify for the Champions League for the 2023-24 season.'

Which is clearly what's happened to us with Rocky. Not the qualifying for the Champions League part 💔

What, we qualifued for the Champions league? So youve read both their contracts?

[GreenPJ]

He's not even trying to understand what people are trying to tell him.

We are all Hibs fans but sometimes the club has to be questioned over their actions.

The Rocky transfer is one of them, how ironic would it turn out to be if he was a riproaring success and was sold for millions:greengrin

We can but hope

Glass half full. Remember how raw Bassey looked when he got in The Rangers team

[JohnM1875]

What, we qualifued for the Champions league?

Swift edit by me there! Haha

[04Sauzee]

Just edited it but was too slow 😂

It's cool we knew what you meant, need a laugh on here now and again that's for sure 😁

[JimBHibees]

Played 3 minutes against Aberdeen in the third last game of the season and full game up at Dens in the second last.

Would hate to think these meaningless games triggered the contract

Yep that would be a shocker if that is the case. Hope he comes back fully fit and proves everyone wrong.

[scoopyboy]

Glass half full. Remember how raw Bassey looked when he got in The Rangers team

You have a point!!!!!

[J-C]

So why did hibs say


I see Scoops already replied but this was reported today.

The stopper made 34 appearances for the Easter Road side last season, which automatically saw him given an extension to his deal.

[WeeRussell]

Couldn’t make it up:bitchy:if true!

There’s been some fun on here today but this is my favourite quote all week 😁

[Deek01]

Some 4 page catch up read that was 😂

[ahibby]

There’s been some fun on here today but this is my favourite quote all week 😁

Makes perfect sense you cant make something up if its true, my five year old says that all the time when I ask if its fibs. Only kidding, she is 42.

[scoopyboy]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.

[SteveHFC]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.

Insert Daffy Duck gif.

[04Sauzee]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.

McGeady? Don't know why I asked as you aren't telling 😁
I'll speculate McGeady


How old is Fletcher though 🤔

[scoopyboy]

Insert Daffy Duck gif.

No seen that for a while, you still got the copyright on it?

[Glory Lurker]

McGeady? Don't know why I asked as you aren't telling 😁
I'll speculate McGeady


How old is Fletcher though 🤔

He's 35

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.

Steven Fletcher.

[Stuart93]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.

I reckon it could well be Fletcher, just guesswork though

[McGruber]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.

Must be Steven Fletcher - can't see McGeady now

[hibee1875]

He's 35

He’s 35 and 3 months

[Glory Lurker]

He’s 35 and 3 months

Not until 26 June ;-)

[SteveHFC]

No seen that for a while, you still got the copyright on it?

Will need to check!

[Lago]

Have you ever thought that the converse may be true too? It would seem that no matter what the reality some fans will blindly defend the club.

A bit of objectivity shows this has been a right royal mess up.

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Haven't seen much objectivity on here today, more subjective speculation.

[Bridge hibs]

Thembinkosi Fanteni, but I hope its Fletcher

[IberianHibernian]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.Modric

[Tyler Durden]

we had an OPTION to buy Rocky after his loan spell, that OPTION was triggered IF he made x amount of games, he met that figure and hibs have taken up that OPTION.

Hibs weren't confident on Rocky's fitness from the word go, Maloney said many times he had to use him much more than he thought he would early on around the time Hanlon was out injured.

The Club negotiate deals and fee's with the selling club, the deals with players are serperate to that, had the loan deal for Rocky included a MANDATORY buy the contract to the player would be seperate, if Hibs did not want Rocky but bound to buy contractually would they have given him the offer of a 3 year contract? or would it have made more sense to give him 6months - 1 year

Re the length of deal, we’ve paid a fee for him so it wouldn’t make sense to do that and then only sign him for 1 year.

We’re protecting our investment by hoping it actually pays off, despite the circumstances.

[One Day Soon]

It's all going splendidly...

[leith lynx]

Just to continue the no signings between 22 and 35 debate I've received a text to say another over 35 signing could be imminent.

That's all I'm saying on it though.

Adebayo Akinwenfa

[04Sauzee]

Wee interview from Lewis Miller talking about his move to Hibs.

https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/lewis-miller-head-hibernian-following-u23s-duty

[Hibby70]

So the over 35 player is either Fletcher, McGeady or Bojang?

[GreenGray]

You can post it as many times as you want, you’re still assuming we were forced to sign him. Yeah, because thats an everyday occurrence in football.

Still not one answer on his personal terms. You think we agreed them with Norwich as well and Rocky just takes what he gets ?

It’s more likely a badly written statement, and people are jumping all over it to bash the club.

Not sure why but you’re acting like these sort of clauses have never been done before? Happens plenty.


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[matty_f]

I suspect it’s McGeady.

[Brown Hibs]

I suspect it’s McGeady.

Announcing McGeady would be the most worrying signing of the lot! We have got to start spending the Boyle money wisely!

[Brightside]

Announcing McGeady would be the most worrying signing of the lot! We have got to start spending the Boyle money wisely!

I take tomorrow off then. 😂

[CapitalGreen]

Announcing McGeady would be the most worrying signing of the lot! We have got to start spending the Boyle money wisely!

Goal or assist every 126 minutes over the last 18 months playing under LJ at Sunderland (52 matches). Got rave reviews from Hearts fans after he tore them a new one last summer when Hearts played Sunderland.

[Brown Hibs]

Goal or assist every 126 minutes over the last 18 months playing under LJ at Sunderland (52 matches). Got rave reviews from Hearts fans after he tore them a new one last summer when Hearts played Sunderland.

Rave reviews from a pre season friendly 12 months ago. It's a 36 year old winger from league one. What on earth is our football club coming to 👀

[Unseen work]

McGeady will prove to be a very good signing imo.

Loads of experience and is still sharp and fast for his age. More importantly though he has quality to easily unlock teams in the final third that we’ve really struggled with lately.

[CapitalGreen]

Rave reviews from a pre season friendly 12 months ago. It's a 36 year old winger from league one. What on earth is our football club coming to 👀

He doesn’t play as an out and winger anymore, plays more as a number 10 in behind the striker(s).

Here’s a couple of quotes from those Hearts fans lifted from kickback.

“He would still piss it up here.”

“walk into any SPFL team outwith the OF”

[Brown Hibs]

McGeady will prove to be a very good signing imo.

Loads of experience and is still sharp and fast for his age. More importantly though he has quality to easily unlock teams in the final third that we’ve really struggled with lately.


We've got 3 million in transfer funds we were told would be reinvested in the playing squad. If LJ's estimate of 5/6 signings is anything to go by, Mcgeady is one signing closer to us concluding business - I'm yet to be convinced by a single one. We are worse off so far and with Mcgeady coming in a year older and with more dents in the armour, we are going into this season worse off than we were last. Worrying direction Ian Gordon is taking us in recruitment wise. Anyone that sees it differently is kidding themself.

[Unseen work]

We've got 3 million in transfer funds we were told would be reinvested in the playing squad. If LJ's estimate of 5/6 signings is anything to go by, Mcgeady is one signing closer to us concluding business - I'm yet to be convinced by a single one. We are worse off so far and with Mcgeady coming in a year older and with more dents in the armour, we are going into this season worse off than we were last. Worrying direction Ian Gordon is taking us in recruitment wise. Anyone that sees it differently is kidding themself.

I don’t think Johnson was ever going to come in and say he needs 11 new players etc. 1, the squad would hate him and 2 there would be meltdown if we never signed 11. Say less which you know you’ll 100% get.

Marshall and McGeady would 100% improve us from the last 6 months imo. Kenneh and Miller are unknown qualities but look good on paper (we’ve all heard that before). Who knows about Bojang.

None of the players that have left us this summer effects us negatively imo or is considered a loss.

…………..………….Marshall………….

Miller…….Porteous……Hanlon….Doig……

………Clarke…..Magennis….Newell….

Cadden………………………………………..McGeady…..

…………………….,Nisbet……….

I still think we’ll see a couple of big signings, wouldn’t be surprised to see another player from Oz too. Still think we’ll see additions in centre half, centre mid, striker and a winger on top of McGeady.

[Brown Hibs]

I don’t think Johnson was ever going to come in and say he needs 11 new players etc. 1, the squad would hate him and 2 there would be meltdown if we never signed 11. Say less which you know you’ll 100% get.

Marshall and McGeady would 100% improve us from the last 6 months imo. Kenneh and Miller are unknown qualities but look good on paper (we’ve all heard that before). Who knows about Bojang.

None of the players that have left us this summer effects us negatively imo or is considered a loss.

…………..………….Marshall………….

Miller…….Porteous……Hanlon….Doig……

………Clarke…..Magennis….Newell….

Cadden………………………………………..McGeady…..

…………………….,Nisbet……….

I still think we’ll see a couple of big signings, wouldn’t be surprised to see another player from Oz too. Still think we’ll see additions in centre half, centre mid, striker and a winger on top of McGeady.

Tbf that doesn't look half bad on paper but we definitely need some X factor players and make proper use of the Boyle money.

[andrew70]

I don’t think Johnson was ever going to come in and say he needs 11 new players etc. 1, the squad would hate him and 2 there would be meltdown if we never signed 11. Say less which you know you’ll 100% get.

Marshall and McGeady would 100% improve us from the last 6 months imo. Kenneh and Miller are unknown qualities but look good on paper (we’ve all heard that before). Who knows about Bojang.

None of the players that have left us this summer effects us negatively imo or is considered a loss.

…………..………….Marshall………….

Miller…….Porteous……Hanlon….Doig……

………Clarke…..Magennis….Newell….

Cadden………………………………………..McGeady…..

…………………….,Nisbet……….

I still think we’ll see a couple of big signings, wouldn’t be surprised to see another player from Oz too. Still think we’ll see additions in centre half, centre mid, striker and a winger on top of McGeady.

Clarke isn’t and never will be a centre mid. He’ll play RB if indeed he is still here. Miller is succession planning I think.

McGeady will play centrally.

Cadden a shoe-in for RW I agree.

Funny feeling both Porto and Doig will be away.

[Unseen work]

Couple of Hearts supporting mates are of the opinion we’re the Scottish team after Woodburn.

Could (probably is) be an assumption more than knowledge.

[Brown Hibs]

I'd rather we kept Porteous and let him go for free next season than cash in now. With so much turnover we need to keep the little quality we have and do our best to grab the European places while the coefficient is so high and valuable.

[McGruber]

How to lose friends & alienate people..

I think McGeady could possibly have another year or two though it's a gamble. I do think however he has more in the tank than the slightly younger but more injury prone Fletcher who is about finished - again maybe a year or 2 to squeeze out of him. Personally would rather Cole Stockton! I know that isn't happening however someone that fits that mould - experience, good age, has been scoring goals and good physical presence.

[Unseen work]

Clarke isn’t and never will be a centre mid. He’ll play RB if indeed he is still here. Miller is succession planning I think.

McGeady will play centrally.

Cadden a shoe-in for RW I agree.

Funny feeling both Porto and Doig will be away.

You think so? I’m sure even for Sunderland at the end he was still playing on the left.

I don’t think Miller is coming in to sit on the bench which makes me think he’ll start right back. Clarke I have a feeling will get recalled, I can’t see him playing centre back and I think Johnson will want a more out and out winger to play on the right so centre mid is the only place I could fit him in 😁 I actually think he has a lot of attributes that would make him good there.

I’ve a feeling Cadden won’t be a starter for us. I think in Johnson’s system we’ll rely heavily on the wingers getting a lot of goals, assists and producing quality which I’m not sure is Caddens game. Don’t get me wrong he’s a good player, but I think he’ll want more quality.

[Brown Hibs]

How to lose friends & alienate people..

I think McGeady could possibly have another year or two though it's a gamble. I do think however he has more in the tank than the slightly younger but more injury prone Fletcher who is about finished - again maybe a year or 2 to squeeze out of him. Personally would rather Cole Stockton! I know that isn't happening however someone that fits that mould - experience, good age, has been scoring goals and good physical presence.

Actually agree re Fletcher. Watched him in a Stoke game last season and he really struggles to get about the pitch now. Slower than a week in jail sadly. I'm all for experience but the players can't be completely finished either. Cole Stockton is where you have lost me though. England's league one is a very poor standard and he's never scored goals anywhere he's been apart from last season. He's also ex hearts. Don't generally have a problem with that but we are getting a bit inundated with them.

[The Tubs]

Actually agree re Fletcher. Watched him in a Stoke game last season and he really struggles to get about the pitch now. Slower than a week in jail sadly. I'm all for experience but the players can't be completely finished either. Cole Stockton is where you have lost me though. England's league one is a very poor standard and he's never scored goals anywhere he's been apart from last season. He's also ex hearts. Don't generally have a problem with that but we are getting a bit inundated with them.

Tell me about it. I heard Ron Gordon has “1986 double winners” tattooed on his arse.

[Weir07]

We've got 3 million in transfer funds we were told would be reinvested in the playing squad. If LJ's estimate of 5/6 signings is anything to go by, Mcgeady is one signing closer to us concluding business - I'm yet to be convinced by a single one. We are worse off so far and with Mcgeady coming in a year older and with more dents in the armour, we are going into this season worse off than we were last. Worrying direction Ian Gordon is taking us in recruitment wise. Anyone that sees it differently is kidding themself.

Worrying indeed, the core squad last season wasn't too bad, 4-6 quality additions this summer and we would have been competitive this coming season. However we've recruited Bushiri who had a less than impressive spell at Hibs, some unknown Gambion who played in the Portuguese under 23 league last season, a right sided defender, when we have three in the squad already and finally a 37 year old keeper. Another season of **** ahead I fear!

[JohnM1875]

Worrying indeed, the core squad last season wasn't too bad, 4-6 quality additions this summer and we would have been competitive this coming season. However we've recruited Bushiri who had a less than impressive spell at Hibs, some unknown Gambion who played in the Portuguese under 23 league last season, a right sided defender, when we have three in the squad already and finally a 37 year old keeper. Another season of **** ahead I fear!

I honestly think there'll still be plenty activity in and out. Definitely think we'll sign another striker and a few more midfielders not including McGeady if he does sign.

Wouldn't be surprised to see one of Doig or Porteous leave for a fee, think Campbell will end up out on loan somewhere, same with McGinn if we can't find a buyer, Macey looks set to leave soon.

Plenty time for stuff to happen. Not worrying about anything yet!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Exactly. Absolute mental this place. So many people who know all the clubs dealings.

Have you ever heard of a football club being forced to sign someone ? I certainly haven’t but apparently we’re 1st at something for once.

Of course we weren’t forced to sign him. We entered into this deal in January voluntarily.

We have clearly been forced to stick to the deal that we signed though.

Also, you seem to really struggle with the concept of something being signed 6 months previously.

Ewen Henderson has done that at pretty much the exact same time as Rocky. Players signing on pre contracts do it all the time. It’s very much common place in football.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think Johnson was ever going to come in and say he needs 11 new players etc. 1, the squad would hate him and 2 there would be meltdown if we never signed 11. Say less which you know you’ll 100% get.

Marshall and McGeady would 100% improve us from the last 6 months imo. Kenneh and Miller are unknown qualities but look good on paper (we’ve all heard that before). Who knows about Bojang.

None of the players that have left us this summer effects us negatively imo or is considered a loss.

…………..………….Marshall………….

Miller…….Porteous……Hanlon….Doig……

………Clarke…..Magennis….Newell….

Cadden………………………………………..McGeady…..

…………………….,Nisbet……….

I still think we’ll see a couple of big signings, wouldn’t be surprised to see another player from Oz too. Still think we’ll see additions in centre half, centre mid, striker and a winger on top of McGeady.

Cadden who is a full back as a right winger and Clarke who is a full back as a centre mid. Magennis who can’t stay fit.

We’d struggle big time next season if that’s our best 11 imo.

[JimBHibees]

Actually agree re Fletcher. Watched him in a Stoke game last season and he really struggles to get about the pitch now. Slower than a week in jail sadly. I'm all for experience but the players can't be completely finished either. Cole Stockton is where you have lost me though. England's league one is a very poor standard and he's never scored goals anywhere he's been apart from last season. He's also ex hearts. Don't generally have a problem with that but we are getting a bit inundated with them.

In general two obvious exceptions apart at least as good as the league we play in. Inundated really.

[JimBHibees]

I suspect it’s McGeady.

Hope so think he would be an excellent signing for us.

[flash]

In general two obvious exceptions apart at least as good as the league we play in. Inundated really.

Indeed Jim. Methinks the poster is using the ancient art of deflection.

[JimBHibees]

McGeady will prove to be a very good signing imo.

Loads of experience and is still sharp and fast for his age. More importantly though he has quality to easily unlock teams in the final third that we’ve really struggled with lately.

Yep exactly what we need quality wise.

[JimBHibees]

Actually agree re Fletcher. Watched him in a Stoke game last season and he really struggles to get about the pitch now. Slower than a week in jail sadly. I'm all for experience but the players can't be completely finished either. Cole Stockton is where you have lost me though. England's league one is a very poor standard and he's never scored goals anywhere he's been apart from last season. He's also ex hearts. Don't generally have a problem with that but we are getting a bit inundated with them.

Stockton is exactly the type of player we should be looking at. Mobile powerful can hold the ball up and scores goals. Type not necessarily him but would be happy if we signed him.

[JimBHibees]

Clarke isn’t and never will be a centre mid. He’ll play RB if indeed he is still here. Miller is succession planning I think.

McGeady will play centrally.

Cadden a shoe-in for RW I agree.

Funny feeling both Porto and Doig will be away.

Personally think Miller is here to start looked at his showreel and looked very similar to Clarke athletic fast powerful though he predominantly looked right sided think he can also play left.

[J-C]

Rave reviews from a pre season friendly 12 months ago. It's a 36 year old winger from league one. What on earth is our football club coming to 👀


This coming from someone who's delighted we've signed Bushiri, I rest my case, this proves you know sod all about football.

[Unseen work]

Cadden who is a full back as a right winger and Clarke who is a full back as a centre mid. Magennis who can’t stay fit.

We’d struggle big time next season if that’s our best 11 imo.

Cadden has played more as a winger in his career than a full back.

Clarke was originally a centre half and played there last season against us for Arsenal, then he went right back and right wing back. We even saw him play left wing back for us.

I think he’s a very good footballer who could probably play centre mid at this level, not necessarily saying I would but I had to somehow fit the three of them in 😅

Like I said though I can’t see Cadden starting.

[hibee1875]

I don’t think Johnson was ever going to come in and say he needs 11 new players etc. 1, the squad would hate him and 2 there would be meltdown if we never signed 11. Say less which you know you’ll 100% get.

Marshall and McGeady would 100% improve us from the last 6 months imo. Kenneh and Miller are unknown qualities but look good on paper (we’ve all heard that before). Who knows about Bojang.

None of the players that have left us this summer effects us negatively imo or is considered a loss.

…………..………….Marshall………….

Miller…….Porteous……Hanlon….Doig……

………Clarke…..Magennis….Newell….

Cadden………………………………………..McGeady…..

…………………….,Nisbet……….

I still think we’ll see a couple of big signings, wouldn’t be surprised to see another player from Oz too. Still think we’ll see additions in centre half, centre mid, striker and a winger on top of McGeady.


I think we’ll still see another CB and striker. Hanlon and Nisbet won’t be fit for the start of the season

[hibee1875]

This coming from someone who's delighted we've signed Bushiri, I rest my case, this proves you know sod all about football.

He’s a jambo here to wind folk up/incite panic or whatever

[JimBHibees]

It's all going splendidly...

Certainly not boring :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

You think so? I’m sure even for Sunderland at the end he was still playing on the left.

I don’t think Miller is coming in to sit on the bench which makes me think he’ll start right back. Clarke I have a feeling will get recalled, I can’t see him playing centre back and I think Johnson will want a more out and out winger to play on the right so centre mid is the only place I could fit him in 😁 I actually think he has a lot of attributes that would make him good there.

I’ve a feeling Cadden won’t be a starter for us. I think in Johnson’s system we’ll rely heavily on the wingers getting a lot of goals, assists and producing quality which I’m not sure is Caddens game. Don’t get me wrong he’s a good player, but I think he’ll want more quality.

Agree I think he will play wider doesn't mean he won't rotate into central positions of course.

[Big_Franck]

I really hope the older signing that is being rumoured is Steven Fletcher. I can't stand McGeady and don't want him anywhere near my club.

[mjhibby]

So to sum up weve signed a keeper were all happy with,a rb who seems just what we need,a young striker who looks like a low level gamble and might be moving out a rwb most agreed we should be getting better in. Also weve resigned a ch whose extention was already agreed if he played a certain amount of games. Have i got that correct.

[Iain G]

So to sum up weve signed a keeper were all happy with,a rb who seems just what we need,a young striker who looks like a low level gamble and might be moving out a rwb most agreed we should be getting better in. Also weve resigned a ch whose extention was already agreed if he played a certain amount of games. Have i got that correct.

And a young energetic defensive midfielder who was held in high regard by his previous club

[Tricla]

So to sum up weve signed a keeper were all happy with,a rb who seems just what we need,a young striker who looks like a low level gamble and might be moving out a rwb most agreed we should be getting better in. Also weve resigned a ch whose extention was already agreed if he played a certain amount of games. Have i got that correct.

Seems about right to me. And despite this apparent simplicity, most people are having a cow.

[Tricla]

And a young energetic defensive midfielder who was held in high regard by his previous club

Forgot about Kenneh. That completely worsens things. 🙄

[McGruber]

So to sum up weve signed a keeper were all happy with,a rb who seems just what we need,a young striker who looks like a low level gamble and might be moving out a rwb most agreed we should be getting better in. Also weve resigned a ch whose extention was already agreed if he played a certain amount of games. Have i got that correct.

Nearly.

You forgot about Kenneh from Leeds, highly thought of midfielder from Leeds whose fans were sad to see him go.

For balance purposes - there's some edginess that we haven't addressed the major problems from last season - namely some known quality experienced players ready to go straight into first 11 (proven good players more than potentially good players). Marshall is the exception there so far - very good piece of business that

We need a good in their prime striker, centre half, midfielder, winger (some would argue 2 of each)

Also.. whisper it.. the ch we have signed after playing so many games (accidental or not) isn't very good. Compared to what McGinn offers us in defence, seems like the wrong guy leaving between they 2

For more balance - the transfer window is only just opening so why we want to judge the state of affairs now seems a waste of time.

There's plenty time to make sure we get the players we need and surely they won't not sign a striker and centre back...... now. .. where have we heard that before!!

[Smartie]

So to sum up weve signed a keeper were all happy with,a rb who seems just what we need,a young striker who looks like a low level gamble and might be moving out a rwb most agreed we should be getting better in. Also weve resigned a ch whose extention was already agreed if he played a certain amount of games. Have i got that correct.

I don’t have any problems with who we’ve signed so far.

The problem is, we don’t appear to have yet tackled any of the areas that needed tackled most (other than Kenneh). We’ve replaced a decent enough keeper, signed yet another right back and in general got a bunch of unproven youngsters to go with our unproven youngsters.

Some folk are more patient than others and we’ve still got a very long time to go to get the squad together properly. Patience hasn’t exactly been rewarded in recent summers though as we’ve repeatedly run out of time without getting our business done.

Whilst I’m far from the bed wetting stage myself I have no problem with those who might already be there based on the experience of recent seasons and a mild mistrust of some of the folk organising these signings.

[scoopyboy]

I think we’ll still see another CB and striker. Hanlon and Nisbet won’t be fit for the start of the season

I think Hanlon should be ok for the start of the season, he got his cartilage operation a few weeks ago with a view to him being ready for pre season.

AFAIK it went well.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yesterday was exciting. Wonder what today’s gonna bring.

[Rumble de Thump]

I don’t have any problems with who we’ve signed so far.

The problem is, we don’t appear to have yet tackled any of the areas that needed tackled most (other than Kenneh). We’ve replaced a decent enough keeper, signed yet another right back and in general got a bunch of unproven youngsters to go with our unproven youngsters.

Some folk are more patient than others and we’ve still got a very long time to go to get the squad together properly. Patience hasn’t exactly been rewarded in recent summers though as we’ve repeatedly run out of time without getting our business done.

Whilst I’m far from the bed wetting stage myself I have no problem with those who might already be there based on the experience of recent seasons and a mild mistrust of some of the folk organising these signings.

And yet the transfer window is just beginning today.

[Springbank]

So to sum up weve signed a keeper were all happy with,a rb who seems just what we need,a young striker who looks like a low level gamble and might be moving out a rwb most agreed we should be getting better in. Also weve resigned a ch whose extention was already agreed if he played a certain amount of games. Have i got that correct.

For balance- we resigned Paul McGinn then a,week later announce he's for sale...

...and we announced last week we had released Rocky at the end of his loan, only to perform a uturn a week later as (it may appear) the club officials tasked with overseeing contracts maybe missed the clause about game time triggering the permanent transfer.

Those are not normal pieces of administration, they are expensive, they reduce the managers budget, and suggest there is improvement to be made on the board / officials front

[GreenGray]

For balance- we resigned Paul McGinn then a,week later announce he's for sale...

...and we announced last week we had released Rocky at the end of his loan, only to perform a uturn a week later as (it may appear) the club officials tasked with overseeing contracts maybe missed the clause about game time triggering the permanent transfer.

Those are not normal pieces of administration, they are expensive, they reduce the managers budget, and suggest there is improvement to be made on the board / officials front

Wrong about McGinn. We didn’t resign him a week ago, there was a clause in his contract that gave him to option to resign, this was done a month or so ago the club just didn’t announce it.


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[Tyler Durden]

We've let Mueller, Wright and Jasper go who were all wide forward options. We've brought in Bojang but I think we'll definitely sign 2 players who can come in as starters somewhere across the front 3.

I would expect we'll also be looking to get Melkersen maybe playing from the left of a 4-3-3. He's not quite ready to play number 9 but no reason he couldn't do well from the wide position similar to Riordan or Fletcher in his younger days.

[CentreLine]

McGeady will prove to be a very good signing imo.

Loads of experience and is still sharp and fast for his age. More importantly though he has quality to easily unlock teams in the final third that we’ve really struggled with lately.

I hope it’s McGeady. These are the sort of signings we should have made last year, to kick on and ensure a steady flow of European football. God knows what we were playing at in the transfer market last year. The experience and guile of some older heads is exactly what we were missing. A good player is a good regardless of their age. Look how ancient Frank and Russell were when they lit up our team.

[04Sauzee]

We've let Mueller, Wright and Jasper go who were all wide forward options. We've brought in Bojang but I think we'll definitely sign 2 players who can come in as starters somewhere across the front 3.

I would expect we'll also be looking to get Melkersen maybe playing from the left of a 4-3-3. He's not quite ready to play number 9 but no reason he couldn't do well from the wide position similar to Riordan or Fletcher in his younger days.

It's the position that LJ keeps mentioning we need to strengthen 'the forward areas' we haven't really done that yet so I'd expect us to be working on players that fit how he wants to play. Window just opens today 😁

[GreenCastle]

Looking forward to seeing how we use the Boyle transfer money..we really need to add a new star player to give fans some entertainment.

Transfer window finally opens today. I think fans are sceptical of the young players who have hardly played a professional competitive game coming in and making a difference especially after the Mueller and Melkersen signings and the hype they had.

Majority continue to agree we need starting players who will play regularly - Marshall is the only player I consider as a regular starter out of the players we have signed. I hope we start to see players with some league experience signed but not all guys who are at end of careers. We can’t be going into Derbies with a bunch of kids.

Miller and Kenneth will definitely hope to play regularly but they will both be raw as so young.

Be interesting to see if Hibs try for someone like Mikey Johnston as seems he will 3rd choice at Celtic. 23 now but also had injury issues. We need someone who can dribble and beat a player 1v1.

Think plenty movement out too - Doig / Porto / Doidge? / Macey / Campbell / McGinn could easily all move on.

[hibsforeurope]

Wrong about McGinn. We didn’t resign him a week ago, there was a clause in his contract that gave him to option to resign, this was done a month or so ago the club just didn’t announce it.


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Not really the point, either way it's a lack of communication between the person drawing up the contracts and the management. if they didn't want to keep McGinn they should have restricted his games to avoid the trigger point.

[mjhibby]

Nearly.

You forgot about Kenneh from Leeds, highly thought of midfielder from Leeds whose fans were sad to see him go.

For balance purposes - there's some edginess that we haven't addressed the major problems from last season - namely some known quality experienced players ready to go straight into first 11 (proven good players more than potentially good players). Marshall is the exception there so far - very good piece of business that

We need a good in their prime striker, centre half, midfielder, winger (some would argue 2 of each)

Also.. whisper it.. the ch we have signed after playing so many games (accidental or not) isn't very good. Compared to what McGinn offers us in defence, seems like the wrong guy leaving between they 2

For more balance - the transfer window is only just opening so why we want to judge the state of affairs now seems a waste of time.

There's plenty time to make sure we get the players we need and surely they won't not sign a striker and centre back...... now. .. where have we heard that before!!

Im quite happy to let everybody moan when were nearing the end of the window but when its open a few days. The new manager is barely in the door. We do need a ready to go ch,cm,winger and striker. I can see there being a few comings and goings but these take negotiating

[sleeping giant]

Not really the point, either way it's a lack of communication between the person drawing up the contracts and the management. if they didn't want to keep McGinn they should have restricted his games to avoid the trigger point.

Did McGinn have contract extention triggered based on games played ?

I wouldn't have thought so myself.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Just spotted a certain 36 yo in Baynes on Easter Road...

[GreenGray]

Not really the point, either way it's a lack of communication between the person drawing up the contracts and the management. if they didn't want to keep McGinn they should have restricted his games to avoid the trigger point.

That’s not the point I was replying to though? The myth that we re signed Mcginn one week then decided we want to sell him a week later just isn’t true.


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[hibsforeurope]

Looking forward to seeing how we use the Boyle transfer money..we really need to add a new star player to give fans some entertainment.

Transfer window finally opens today. I think fans are sceptical of the young players who have hardly played a professional competitive game coming in and making a difference especially after the Mueller and Melkersen signings and the hype they had.

Majority continue to agree we need starting players who will play regularly - Marshall is the only player I consider as a regular starter out of the players we have signed. I hope we start to see players with some league experience signed but not all guys who are at end of careers. We can’t be going into Derbies with a bunch of kids.

Miller and Kenneth will definitely hope to play regularly but they will both be raw as so young.

Be interesting to see if Hibs try for someone like Mikey Johnston as seems he will 3rd choice at Celtic. 23 now but also had injury issues. We need someone who can dribble and beat a player 1v1.

Think plenty movement out too - Doig / Porto / Doidge? / Macey / Campbell / McGinn could easily all move on.

The last line of this article is a bit concerning, where has the Boyle money gone if we potentially need to sell to bring players in?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-deny-aberdeen-to-sign-jason-cummings-team-mate-but-arrival-may-spell-end-for-paul-mcginn-3725990

[GloryGlory]

Not really the point, either way it's a lack of communication between the person drawing up the contracts and the management. if they didn't want to keep McGinn they should have restricted his games to avoid the trigger point.

We did have an injury crisis plus loads of suspensions. Hanlon was out for a while, Clarke was out too, and Porteous was suspended for several games. That left us really short of defenders. I doubt McGinn would have played so much if Clarke hadn't got injured as soon as he arrived and couldn't play for a couple of months.

[hibsforeurope]

That’s not the point I was replying to though? The myth that we re signed Mcginn one week then decided we want to sell him a week later just isn’t true.


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I get that, I know the contract was signed a while ago and just announced recently, the fact that we were in a position that we triggered the clause of a player who was not in the plans is the issue for me.

[GreenPJ]

Not really the point, either way it's a lack of communication between the person drawing up the contracts and the management. if they didn't want to keep McGinn they should have restricted his games to avoid the trigger point.

Its a bit difficult to do that if the new manager is not even appointed and the player has already triggered the extension as was his right.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

The last line of this article is a bit concerning, where has the Boyle money gone if we potentially need to sell to bring players in?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-deny-aberdeen-to-sign-jason-cummings-team-mate-but-arrival-may-spell-end-for-paul-mcginn-3725990

It wouldn't make any sense for us to advertise we have a bucket of cash to spend

I do think we'll see a marquee signing or two. Ideally three. A centre half, centre mid and centre forward but I think that's wishful thinking

[Brown Hibs]

And a young energetic defensive midfielder who was held in high regard by his previous club

The skepticism comes from having the same transfer policy that failed so badly last season. Signing unknown quantities with little or no experience. Although all signings come with a degree of risk, I think most fans would like to see a a couple signings that have a proven track record of performing consistently at our level. We have 3 million there we were told would be reinvested. Let's sign better.

[GloryGlory]

The last line of this article is a bit concerning, where has the Boyle money gone if we potentially need to sell to bring players in?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-deny-aberdeen-to-sign-jason-cummings-team-mate-but-arrival-may-spell-end-for-paul-mcginn-3725990

Did we not pay fees for Melkerson and Hauge in January? And a fee was already agreed with Norwich for Rocky. And even free transfers coming in get signing on fees, etc.

[GreenGray]

I get that, I know the contract was signed a while ago and just announced recently, the fact that we were in a position that we triggered the clause of a player who was not in the plans is the issue for me.

He’s not in the plans of the new manager who came in after the clause was triggered. Mcginn probably had to play more games than planned because of injuries etc.


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[hibsforeurope]

We did have an injury crisis plus loads of suspensions. Hanlon was out for a while, Clarke was out too, and Porteous was suspended for several games. That left us really short of defenders. I doubt McGinn would have played so much if Clarke hadn't got injured as soon as he arrived and couldn't play for a couple of months.

we had DeFerrier (sp), Blaney and we even played cadden, stevenson and Doig as centre backs at some stage. This was an avoidable situation with a little communication.

[JohnM1875]

Did we not pay fees for Melkerson and Hauge in January? And a fee was already agreed with Norwich for Rocky. And even free transfers coming in get signing on fees, etc.

Not going to lie I'd be absolutely gutted if we've *****ed the Boyle money on what you've listed above!

Don't think we have though and confident we'll be spending a bit more this window and bring in a few quality players.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I get that, I know the contract was signed a while ago and just announced recently, the fact that we were in a position that we triggered the clause of a player who was not in the plans is the issue for me.

McGinn triggered the clause in his existing contract this is not a new contract jyst the terms of the existing one being applied

[hibsforeurope]

Did we not pay fees for Melkerson and Hauge in January? And a fee was already agreed with Norwich for Rocky. And even free transfers coming in get signing on fees, etc.

Surely those players haven't used up all that money?

[cameronw-hfc]

The last line of this article is a bit concerning, where has the Boyle money gone if we potentially need to sell to bring players in?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-deny-aberdeen-to-sign-jason-cummings-team-mate-but-arrival-may-spell-end-for-paul-mcginn-3725990


We've currently got a squad close to 30 odd, I don't think it's worrying, most teams don't have squads that big, I think we just need some names off the wage bill before we can keep adding.

In terms of Doig and Porto, we might have a big signing or two lined up that would require a big payment for a club like Hibs, therefore we will wait to see if either leaves before making that decision. A club like hibs can't splash a mil on a player if we've only got 5/6m in the bank.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I get that, I know the contract was signed a while ago and just announced recently, the fact that we were in a position that we triggered the clause of a player who was not in the plans is the issue for me.

McGinn triggered the clause in his existing contract this is not a new contract just the terms of the existing one being applied

[G15 Hibs]

Look how ancient Frank and Russell were when they lit up our team.

Franck Sauzee was 33 when he signed for Hibs, Russell Latapy was 30. Both somewhat less ancient in football terms than Aiden McGeady. Both came directly from a higher level than the English third tier and neither had spent the previous 6 months out injured.

I'm not necessarily against signing McGeady, but also not entirely sold on the idea of filling up the squad any further with players at one end or other of their career.

[Not In The Know]

The last line of this article is a bit concerning, where has the Boyle money gone if we potentially need to sell to bring players in?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-deny-aberdeen-to-sign-jason-cummings-team-mate-but-arrival-may-spell-end-for-paul-mcginn-3725990


It doesn't say that. I take it as if we sell a centre half and a left back - we will need to buy one.

[GreenPJ]

The last line of this article is a bit concerning, where has the Boyle money gone if we potentially need to sell to bring players in?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-deny-aberdeen-to-sign-jason-cummings-team-mate-but-arrival-may-spell-end-for-paul-mcginn-3725990

Potentially some of the Boyle money will need to offset the drop in income from season tickets, also do we know what the payment terms were for the £3M - all up front or staggered?

[Paulie Walnuts]

We've currently got a squad close to 30 odd, I don't think it's worrying, most teams don't have squads that big, I think we just need some names off the wage bill before we can keep adding.

In terms of Doig and Porto, we might have a big signing or two lined up that would require a big payment for a club like Hibs, therefore we will wait to see if either leaves before making that decision. A club like hibs can't splash a mil on a player if we've only got 5/6m in the bank.

Whether the article is correct or not is a different matter but the article definitely suggests that we will need to sell Doig and/or Porteous to fund many more signings.

Losing our best players to be able to get another 2 or 3 in when we already need another 4 or 5 starters whilst having our best players still here is definitely concerning.

[hibsforeurope]

It doesn't say that. I take it as if we sell a centre half and a left back - we will need to buy one.

Seeing it that way for me suggests we only need to replace two players if they leave, not add to the rest of the squad.

[hibsforeurope]

Whether the article is correct or not is a different matter but the article definitely suggests that we will need to sell Doig and/or Porteous to fund many more signings.

Losing our best players to be able to get another 2 or 3 in when we already need another 4 or 5 starters whilst having our best players still here is definitely concerning.

That was my take on the comment too.

[04Sauzee]

Seeing it that way for me suggests we only need to replace two players if they leave, not add to the rest of the squad.

I just took it that we don't want to just keep adding to the squad and having a bloated squad, we will see some outgoings not to raise money but to balance the squad to make room for new signings.

[hibsforeurope]

I just took it that we don't want to just keep adding to the squad and having a bloated squad, we will see some outgoings not to raise money but to balance the squad to make room for new signings.

I totally agree we need to cut the squad size, but why not just say that in the report, why mention out two most valuable assets?

[CapitalGreen]

Franck Sauzee was 33 when he signed for Hibs, Russell Latapy was 30. Both somewhat less ancient in football terms than Aiden McGeady. Both came directly from a higher level than the English third tier and neither had spent the previous 6 months out injured.

I'm not necessarily against signing McGeady, but also not entirely sold on the idea of filling up the squad any further with players at one end or other of their career.

Sauzee had missed most of the previous season through injury before he joined us.

It’s to simplistic to just look at a players age. There are plenty examples of players still performing well into their late 30s and plenty of examples of players careers effectively being over by the time they hit 30.

[CapitalGreen]

I totally agree we need to cut the squad size, but why not just say that in the report, why mention out two most valuable assets?

Moira Gordon doesn’t work for the club.

[Brown Hibs]

Franck Sauzee was 33 when he signed for Hibs, Russell Latapy was 30. Both somewhat less ancient in football terms than Aiden McGeady. Both came directly from a higher level than the English third tier and neither had spent the previous 6 months out injured.

I'm not necessarily against signing McGeady, but also not entirely sold on the idea of filling up the squad any further with players at one end or other of their career.

Sauzee 3 years younger who would go on to play sweeper. Not coming from league one in england, with fresh knee ligament damage and months on the sidelines, to bomb up and down the wing.

Surely if he is coming it's to be on the coaching staff.

[hibsforeurope]

Moira Gordon doesn’t work for the club.

She also don't write stuff without reason. The information must be coming from somewhere.

[G15 Hibs]

Sauzee had missed most of the previous season through injury before he joined us.

It’s to simplistic to just look at a players age. There are plenty examples of players still performing well into their late 30s and plenty of examples of players careers effectively being over by the time they hit 30.

You know, I'm beginning to get the feeling that you're *really* keen for Hibs to sign Aiden McGeady :wink:

[Hibbyradge]

So he agrees to a contract 6 months before he actually signs it, come on!

He could’ve come up here and been superb, had far bigger clubs than us after him, offering far more money. But his agent told him to sign a contract that might come into play 6 months down the line 😂

That's exactly what happened.

We brought him in on loan and had the exclusive option to buy him.

We've done that with a few players recently.

[hibbyfraelibby]

She also don't write stuff without reason. The information must be coming from somewhere.
She's a jambo journo who needs to fill space on a failing media outlets page and tarts up stories for click bait.

The information is coming from the bed-wetter posts on here.

[Rumble de Thump]

She also don't write stuff without reason. The information must be coming from somewhere.

If we sell either Doig or Porteous for decent money we will have more money to make more, or more expensive, transfers. She has just stated the obvious.

[oneone73]

She's a jambo journo who needs to fill space on a failing media outlets page and tarts up stories for click bait.

The information is coming from the bed-wetter posts on here.

She's not. She's Celtc-minded.

[flash]

If Porteous isn't signing a new deal then we will be actively punting him this summer.

[Brightside]

Whether the article is correct or not is a different matter but the article definitely suggests that we will need to sell Doig and/or Porteous to fund many more signings.

Losing our best players to be able to get another 2 or 3 in when we already need another 4 or 5 starters whilst having our best players still here is definitely concerning.

I dont think its saying that. The level and quantity of players will be influenced by any move of those players. Her reports are never that clear tbh and kept vague for obvious reasons.

[matty_f]

For balance- we resigned Paul McGinn then a,week later announce he's for sale...

...and we announced last week we had released Rocky at the end of his loan, only to perform a uturn a week later as (it may appear) the club officials tasked with overseeing contracts maybe missed the clause about game time triggering the permanent transfer.

Those are not normal pieces of administration, they are expensive, they reduce the managers budget, and suggest there is improvement to be made on the board / officials front

Hibs haven’t announced anything on McGinn other than his contract.

[Col2]

Porto (last year contract and suggestions he wants away) and Doig (decent fee likely) will both be away

I had hoped Porto might sign up for longer IF we showed ambition in manager appt (done to death) and transfer window (very mixed so far at best).

Given the media witch hunt if I was him I would be away asap.

Will be very interesting to see how we might end up with a better squad compared to last season if they both go assuming this is our overall objective. Time will tell. Hope for the best and all that…

[Stanton Spence]

Sauzee 3 years younger who would go on to play sweeper. Not coming from league one in england, with fresh knee ligament damage and months on the sidelines, to bomb up and down the wing.

Surely if he is coming it's to be on the coaching staff.How many times have folk told you that Mcgeady doesn't even play on the wing anymore?
You just keep repeating yourself tho

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[worcesterhibby]

She also don't write stuff without reason. The information must be coming from somewhere.

:faf::faf::faf::faf:
That is the funniest, most naive thing I've read on here in a while. The Newspapers are absolutely full of unsubstantiated pish about football transfers and most of their "Inside info" is taken from message boards like this.

[I'm Spartacus]

Why why why have we signed Rocky? WHY?

[Oscar T Grouch]

That's exactly what happened.

We brought him in on loan and had the exclusive option to buy him.

We've done that with a few players recently.

:agree: The prime example of this would be Kamberi, came here on a loan deal with an agreed price to buy. By the time it came to action that clause there was interest in him from elsewhere because of how well he had performed at Hibs, I believe his parent club got better offers than the price we had agreed but they had to sell him to us at the lower price. That is a prime example of what NC1875 was laughing at and saying would never happen!

[SHODAN]

How we all doing this morning? Still hysterical?

[SaulGoodman]

How we all doing this morning? Still hysterical?


Why why why have we signed Rocky? WHY?
.

[worcesterhibby]

Lewis Miller looks a very astute signing and Bojang also looks a real prospect. Personally I don't think Rocky was anywhere near as bad as some were making out and I'm confident he will prove the doubters wrong.

It would be good to see an experienced creative midfielder and a proven goalscorer added to the team, but getting the right players takes time as anyone in that bracket will be weighing up their options.

Are we confident that Kyle Magennis will be starting pre-season injury free ? He will be absolutely key to us doing better this season and will feel like a new signing.

[J-C]

I get that, I know the contract was signed a while ago and just announced recently, the fact that we were in a position that we triggered the clause of a player who was not in the plans is the issue for me.

He's not in the plans of the new manager, the clause was more than likely triggered when Maloney was manager, McGinn had every right to trigger it as did Hibs who had to honour it. I can't get my head round the fact that so many don't understand this.

[GreenPJ]

He's not in the plans of the new manager, the clause was more than likely triggered when MLoney was manager, McGinn had every right to trigger it as did Hibs who had to honour it. I can't get my head round the fact that so many don't understand this.

:agree:

[hibsforeurope]

He's not in the plans of the new manager, the clause was more than likely triggered when MLoney was manager, McGinn had every right to trigger it as did Hibs who had to honour it. I can't get my head round the fact that so many don't understand this.

You don't just get new deals for no reason, there must have been a trigger or targets that was met in the old contract, if not why not just give him a 3 year deal in the 1st place.

[Smartie]

Why why why have we signed Rocky? WHY?

Depending on what you want to believe, it is either because

a/ we did it by accident, due to an oversight regarding the conditions of his loan.

or

b/ our new manager has watched footage of him and decided that whilst he may have had some poor performances during the second half of last season he also had some good ones, and that Rocky has the raw materials the new guy thinks he and his coaching team can do something with?

[SHODAN]

.

Ah. I'll come back later.

[J-C]

How we all doing this morning? Still hysterical?

🤣🤣🤣

[Kato]

:faf::faf::faf::faf:
That is the funniest, most naive thing I've read on here in a while. The Newspapers are absolutely full of unsubstantiated pish about football transfers and most of their "Inside info" is taken from message boards like this.Never ceases to amaze me how much stock people put in journalists. Much of the time they guess. Sometimes if they can't fill space they will make things up, or 2 plus 2 equals 5 things. Been doing for decades .

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[Brightside]

You don't just get new deals for no reason, there must have been a trigger or targets that was met in the old contract, if not why not just give him a 3 year deal in the 1st place.

The trigger was based on games played. he played them so he gets the extension. Up to him if he takes it. But he has. LJ and others have no say in that trigger happening.

[J-C]

You don't just get new deals for no reason, there must have been a trigger or targets that was met in the old contract, if not why not just give him a 3 year deal in the 1st place.

Oh for the love of God.

Let's go over this one last time, are you sitting comfortably.

Hibs offered McGinn a contract, in that contract a clause was added that if McGinn made a certain amount of appearances in the final year, he'd get an extra year. He played those games and he triggered the extension.

Fast forward 6 weeks and we have a new manager who says no thanks Paul but you can leave.

[ian cruise]

The last line of this article is a bit concerning, where has the Boyle money gone if we potentially need to sell to bring players in?

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-deny-aberdeen-to-sign-jason-cummings-team-mate-but-arrival-may-spell-end-for-paul-mcginn-3725990

Edinburgh Evening News article about our transfer activities si far probably a bit clearer on what they were hinting at in the article you shared.

"Hibs are keen on West Ham United left-back Manny Longelo, who has a couple of appearances for the Hammers under his belt. However, Hibs have informed the Evening News they’re only interested in pursuing the player if they get a big-money offer for Josh Doig".

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/the-transfer-latest-at-hibs-as-the-summer-window-officially-opens-3726592

[JeMeSouviens]

Ah. I'll come back later.

I recommend October. Gotta feeling there might be a restless lynch mob forming by then. :wink:

[GreenGray]

Oh for the love of God.

Let's go over this one last time, are you sitting comfortably.

Hibs offered McGinn a contract, in that contract a clause was added that if McGinn made a certain amount of appearances in the final year, he'd get an extra year. He played those games and he triggered the extension.

Fast forward 6 weeks and we have a new manager who says no thanks Paul but you can leave.

Clear and concise, surely this can’t be misunderstood by him?


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[mjhibby]

She also don't write stuff without reason. The information must be coming from somewhere.

Shes a hearts and rugby fan i believe so god knows why she writes on hibs. Its the usual utter tosh writers make up when they have no real info. I used to have info years ago regards the inner workings ar er and believe me when i say the press were generally miles off what was happening. Only kenny millar at the sun was in on what was happening but ive no idea who is now. From a rough calculation on last season we would have made a profit of around 1.5m taking to account the cup runs but also our poor league finish which saw a big drop in revenue. It must be hard for the manager and recruitment team not knowing if a realistic bid is likely for doig or porto. Doig i think is replaceable whereas porto will take some replacing imho. We all saw how much squirrels transfer derailed the team.id rather we kept porto and let him go for free. He may well sign an extention to ensure we get fee for him. The sjm sitution of him possibly moving needs to happen soon to have any impact this transfer window. Im sure a few players will be out on loan.

[worcesterhibby]

Edinburgh Evening News article about our transfer activities si far probably a bit clearer on what they were hinting at in the article you shared.

"Hibs are keen on West Ham United left-back Manny Longelo, who has a couple of appearances for the Hammers under his belt. However, Hibs have informed the Evening News they’re only interested in pursuing the player if they get a big-money offer for Josh Doig".

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/the-transfer-latest-at-hibs-as-the-summer-window-officially-opens-3726592

So basically, we have a very good attacking young left back that we are very happy with. If we were to receive an offer that meets our valuation and the player wanted to move, we would have to replace him. That is a possibility, so we are ahead of the game and have identified a player or two that we would be interested in, should a transfer of Josh Doig happen. However if Josh Doig stays, we wouldn't be interested in spending money on another similar player. Sounds like very good contingency planning and nothing to do with us "Having wasted all the Boyle money" :agree:

[hibbyfraelibby]

Why why why have we signed Rocky? WHY?

'Cos

[hibsforeurope]

The trigger was based on games played. he played them so he gets the extension. Up to him if he takes it. But he has. LJ and others have no say in that trigger happening.

That is my original point, why play him in those games to trigger the extension if there was no intention to keep him. If Maloney wanted him to stay he would have been given a new contract when we gave out the renewals to the players the manager wanted to keep, the likes of Campbell, Newall etc. someone in the office should have been telling the coaches PM was close to triggering a new deal is that what he really wants to do.

[hibbyfraelibby]

He's not in the plans of the new manager, the clause was more than likely triggered when Maloney was manager, McGinn had every right to trigger it as did Hibs who had to honour it. I can't get my head round the fact that so many don't understand this.

Its not that they cant it's more a case of don't want to.

[brianmc]

That is my original point, why play him in those games to trigger the extension if there was no intention to keep him. If Maloney wanted him to stay he would have been given a new contract when we gave out the renewals to the players the manager wanted to keep, the likes of Campbell, Newall etc. someone in the office should have been telling the coaches PM was close to triggering a new deal is that what he really wants to do.

You are 100% at it.

No one could actually be that stupid.

[hibbyfraelibby]

You don't just get new deals for no reason, there must have been a trigger or targets that was met in the old contract, if not why not just give him a 3 year deal in the 1st place.

How many times does this have to be said. He did not get a new deal. His existing one included this and he activated the option. Even rocket scientists understand this

[hibsforeurope]

You are 100% at it.

No one could actually be that stupid.

what part make you think this?

[Hibbyradge]

what part make you think this?

I think it's the part where you ignored the inconvenient explanations.

[Bostonhibby]

Why why why have we signed Rocky? WHY?A big boy done it and then ran away?



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[Brightside]

what part make you think this?

You are suggesting we shouldnt have played him last year......just in case a new manager (who we didnt know we were going to have) decided he didn't want him? Can you not see how daft that is? He was a core member of our team last season.

[hibbyfraelibby]

That is my original point, why play him in those games to trigger the extension if there was no intention to keep him. If Maloney wanted him to stay he would have been given a new contract when we gave out the renewals to the players the manager wanted to keep, the likes of Campbell, Newall etc. someone in the office should have been telling the coaches PM was close to triggering a new deal is that what he really wants to do.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt about being a real Hibs supporter who attended games and watched what was happening on the pitch.

What with injuries, and Porto's quarter seaon almost missed by suspensions, we struggled fof most of the post Ross era to put a team on the park without raiding a kinder garden for players. McGinn played because we needed him and hes not #£!te either

[j'adorehibs]

Oh for the love of God.

Let's go over this one last time, are you sitting comfortably.

Hibs offered McGinn a contract, in that contract a clause was added that if McGinn made a certain amount of appearances in the final year, he'd get an extra year. He played those games and he triggered the extension.

Fast forward 6 weeks and we have a new manager who says no thanks Paul but you can leave.


now thats clear enough...last word on the matter please.

[sleeping giant]

He's not in the plans of the new manager, the clause was more than likely triggered when Maloney was manager, McGinn had every right to trigger it as did Hibs who had to honour it. I can't get my head round the fact that so many don't understand this.

It's absolutely mental that folk do t get this.
Its either mental or intentional.

[hibsforeurope]

I think it's the part where you ignored the inconvenient explanations.

i've not ignored anything it understand that the original contract had an option, triggered by games played last season (as confirmed by other posters), for an additional year.

People are choosing to ignore my point that The clubs could have avoided this by not playing him in as many games to trigger this option, as it was obvious that he wasn't in Maloney's plans long before Johnson came in. And that whoever handles the contract negotiations and knows the details of the clauses should have communicated this with the manager.

i think this will need to be updated to a green and white scarf :ostrich: for those who are clearly choosing to ignore that there are obvious mistakes being made in the way the club is being run.

[NC1875]

You are suggesting we shouldnt have played him last year......just in case a new manager (who we didnt know we were going to have) decided he didn't want him? Can you not see how daft that is? He was a core member of our team last season.

People are telling us we shouldn’t have played Rocky in the same circumstances, can’t have it both ways.

Anyway, Rockys going to prove the doubters wrong and progress into a top player. Bassey at Rangers was ropey when he first came in, look at him now.

[SChibs]

i've not ignored anything it understand that the original contract had an option, triggered by games played last season (as confirmed by other posters), for an additional year.

People are choosing to ignore my point that The clubs could have avoided this by not playing him in as many games to trigger this option, as it was obvious that he wasn't in Maloney's plans long before Johnson came in. And that whoever handles the contract negotiations and knows the details of the clauses should have communicated this with the manager.

i think this will need to be updated to a green and white scarf :ostrich: for those who are clearly choosing to ignore that there are obvious mistakes being made in the way the club is being run.

It would appear it was probably the games after Maloney left that triggered the deal.

[SMAXXA]

Do people honestly believe we’ve been forced to sign Rocky ?

My word!

Some right gullible folk on here.

Correct absolutely baffling folk believe this to be the case

[500miles]

I'm more concerned LJ not valuing McGinn is akin to Hecky not valuing Marv. It makes me question his judgement.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm more concerned LJ not valuing McGinn is akin to Hecky not valuing Marv. It makes me question his judgement.

We’ve just signed a RB. We still have Clarke (for the moment) and we also have Cadden. We need to free up space in the squad somewhere so I think it makes sense. Don’t think we’ll see us playing a back three too often this season so McGinn would hardly play IMO.

[supermcginn]

I'm more concerned LJ not valuing McGinn is akin to Hecky not valuing Marv. It makes me question his judgement.

I'm the complete opposite. It's the most encouraging decision Johnson has made so far and we certainly don't need 4 right backs.

[Smartie]

I'm more concerned LJ not valuing McGinn is akin to Hecky not valuing Marv. It makes me question his judgement.

I find it odd that he's written him off without giving him a chance.

Lewis Stevenson has sometimes taken a bit of time to win managers over and show them what he's capable of. Imagine he'd been cast aside by any one of them without being given a chance?

[Stuart93]

I'm more concerned LJ not valuing McGinn is akin to Hecky not valuing Marv. It makes me question his judgement.

Disagree with that.

We need and have better than Mcginn for that position. He’s served us well but his wage can be used more efficiently elsewhere in the squad. There’s no room for loyalty this season

[ian cruise]

I find it odd that he's written him off without giving him a chance.

Lewis Stevenson has sometimes taken a bit of time to win managers over and show them what he's capable of. Imagine he'd been cast aside by any one of them without being given a chance?

It doesn't have to be LJ writing him off, more the opportunity to sign an exciting younger player has arisen, who not only is more mobile/stronger but has the potential to either move on to bigger things or mean we don't need to fill the position for many years to come.

[Brightside]

People are telling us we shouldn’t have played Rocky in the same circumstances, can’t have it both ways.

Anyway, Rockys going to prove the doubters wrong and progress into a top player. Bassey at Rangers was ropey when he first came in, look at him now.

Thats 100% different. SPM was a core contracted player of Hibs. His extension was agreed as part of his playing deal.

Rocky came on for 5 mins in his last game so Daz could get a round of applause. If thats what triggered an obligation to give him a 3 year deal then someone has seriously screwed up.

[Potty78]

You are 100% at it.

No one could actually be that stupid.

he's 100% not. Genuinely a good lad but he is from Innerleithen. 🙈

[eastmainsmsh]

Wonder if Mcginn end up at queen's Park

[Potty78]

Wonder if Mcginn end up at queen's Park

Still do a job for an spl team👍

[Conj]

Thats 100% different. SPM was a core contracted player of Hibs. His extension was agreed as part of his playing deal.

Rocky came on for 5 mins in his last game so Daz could get a round of applause. If thats what triggered an obligation to give him a 3 year deal then someone has seriously screwed up.

Rocky didn’t come on in his last game to give Daz a round of applause, Daz played 90 minutes on the last day. Rocky played 90 minutes against Dundee and didn’t feature at all on the last day but don’t let the truth get in the way of your argument.

[Hiber-nation]

Thats 100% different. SPM was a core contracted player of Hibs. His extension was agreed as part of his playing deal.

Rocky came on for 5 mins in his last game so Daz could get a round of applause. If thats what triggered an obligation to give him a 3 year deal then someone has seriously screwed up.

What are you on about? Rocky's last game was away to Dundee, he started. Daz played the full 90 mins of the St Johnstone game. Rocky didn't get off the bench.

[j'adorehibs]

What are you on about? Rocky's last game was away to Dundee, he started. Daz played the full 90 mins of the St Johnstone game. Rocky didn't get off the bench.

i think hes in the kitchen eating some pie now

[JimboHibs]

It doesn't have to be LJ writing him off, more the opportunity to sign an exciting younger player has arisen, who not only is more mobile/stronger but has the potential to either move on to bigger things or mean we don't need to fill the position for many years to come.

And if he's guff all of what you say above is irrelevant.

[Greenworld]

i've not ignored anything it understand that the original contract had an option, triggered by games played last season (as confirmed by other posters), for an additional year.

People are choosing to ignore my point that The clubs could have avoided this by not playing him in as many games to trigger this option, as it was obvious that he wasn't in Maloney's plans long before Johnson came in. And that whoever handles the contract negotiations and knows the details of the clauses should have communicated this with the manager.

i think this will need to be updated to a green and white scarf :ostrich: for those who are clearly choosing to ignore that there are obvious mistakes being made in the way the club is being run.Where is the problem here we can let him leave for free or accept a small fee.
Alternatively he could stay but he will move plenty teams will be interested im not seeing the issue

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[flash]

And if he's guff all of what you say above is irrelevant.

That's the spirit.

[J-C]

i've not ignored anything it understand that the original contract had an option, triggered by games played last season (as confirmed by other posters), for an additional year.

People are choosing to ignore my point that The clubs could have avoided this by not playing him in as many games to trigger this option, as it was obvious that he wasn't in Maloney's plans long before Johnson came in. And that whoever handles the contract negotiations and knows the details of the clauses should have communicated this with the manager.

i think this will need to be updated to a green and white scarf :ostrich: for those who are clearly choosing to ignore that there are obvious mistakes being made in the way the club is being run.

I've made up my mind, you are as stupid as you're coming across.

[ian cruise]

And if he's guff all of what you say above is irrelevant.

Luckily we're not talking about moving all of our right back options on then and just (potentially) McGinn, leaving us with Cadden and Clarke if the Miller is guff.

Let's bear in mind it's one EEN article speculating McGinn could be away, there's nothing official at this point.

[McGruber]

I wonder how many people that are disappointed that McGinn is possibly leaving were ones totally indifferent to us signing him when Ross was quoted as bringing him in.
I hold my hands up to that. Goes to show thoughts on prospective signings are pretty pointless. Some guys you think will be great are rubbish and some you think will be rubbish end up great servants.

[hhibs]

That is my original point, why play him in those games to trigger the extension if there was no intention to keep him. If Maloney wanted him to stay he would have been given a new contract when we gave out the renewals to the players the manager wanted to keep, the likes of Campbell, Newall etc. someone in the office should have been telling the coaches PM was close to triggering a new deal is that what he really wants to do.


For the love of God man ,you still not got it !?!

[blackpoolhibs]

For the love of God man ,you still not got it !?!

If he'd not got it by the first 20 posts, he's not going to get it now. :greengrin

[500miles]

Disagree with that.

We need and have better than Mcginn for that position. He’s served us well but his wage can be used more efficiently elsewhere in the squad. There’s no room for loyalty this season

McGinn was a stalwart in the 3rd place finish and we were a better team when he came back from injury. Interplay between him an Nisbet is key to us getting the ball forward, and he can play anywhere along the back.

Utter madness to dismiss that.

[Zambernardi1875]

Mcginn will probably sign for Killie

[The Modfather]

McGinn was a stalwart in the 3rd place finish and we were a better team when he came back from injury. Interplay between him an Nisbet is key to us getting the ball forward, and he can play anywhere along the back.

Utter madness to dismiss that.

Gogic was also a stalwart when we finished 3rd. Time moves on. McGinn would be fine as a squad player, but he’s potentially 4th choice RB now, not really a viable option as CB in a two IMO. So we’re talking about backup RCH when we play as a 3. Nice to have him as cover but his wage could be better used in midfield or up front IMO.

[Since452]

McGinn is a good solid Premiership player. He'll get another top flight club no problem. Always gave maximum effort as the McGinn boys always do.

[jacomo]

Porto (last year contract and suggestions he wants away) and Doig (decent fee likely) will both be away

I had hoped Porto might sign up for longer IF we showed ambition in manager appt (done to death) and transfer window (very mixed so far at best).

Given the media witch hunt if I was him I would be away asap.

Will be very interesting to see how we might end up with a better squad compared to last season if they both go assuming this is our overall objective. Time will tell. Hope for the best and all that…


You’re trying to blame Porto’s likely departure on the club here.

There’s no evidence to support that. He’s clearly an ambitious player and imo has done more than enough to merit serious offers from down south. Not much the club can do about that.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Oh for the love of God.

Let's go over this one last time, are you sitting comfortably.

Hibs offered McGinn a contract, in that contract a clause was added that if McGinn made a certain amount of appearances in the final year, he'd get an extra year. He played those games and he triggered the extension.

Fast forward 6 weeks and we have a new manager who says no thanks Paul but you can leave.

I can't believe this is still being explained, rocket science it ain't.

[Hibiza]

I'm more concerned LJ not valuing McGinn is akin to Hecky not valuing Marv. It makes me question his judgement.

Think both were correct as well past there best .

[One Day Soon]

I recommend October. Gotta feeling there might be a restless lynch mob forming by then. :wink:


I'll be putting together a posse well before then. I'm thinking the third week of August. Meet at hangman's gulch just after sundown.

[Greenio]

Did Paul McGinn no just get his first Scotland cap a few months back?

Yet you'd punt him?

It's amazing how much you hear 'not good enough' 'can get better' etc

But then we rarely actually get in someone better.

I'll trust LJ to do what he wants mind. He's da boss!

[Stuart93]

McGinn was a stalwart in the 3rd place finish and we were a better team when he came back from injury. Interplay between him an Nisbet is key to us getting the ball forward, and he can play anywhere along the back.

Utter madness to dismiss that.

I’m not dismissing it, he’s done well for us but I do think we have better already at the club for his position. He’s been in and out the team last season and the manager obviously thinks he can put his wage to better use.

Mcginn isn’t getting any younger either.

[supermcginn]

Did Paul McGinn no just get his first Scotland cap a few months back?

Yet you'd punt him?

It's amazing how much you hear 'not good enough' 'can get better' etc

But then we rarely actually get in someone better.

I'll trust LJ to do what he wants mind. He's da boss!

We already have two better in his position and just signed another right back and right centre back.

[Brightside]

What are you on about? Rocky's last game was away to Dundee, he started. Daz played the full 90 mins of the St Johnstone game. Rocky didn't get off the bench.

I stand corrected. I must have totally imagined that. :greengrin Its the aberdeen game that was in my head when he came on for Paul at 88 mins. Forgive me - im old.

[worcesterhibby]

Mcginn isn’t getting any younger either.

I might be being pedantic, but I'm pretty sure none of our players are getting any younger. :greengrin

[mixumatosis]

i've not ignored anything it understand that the original contract had an option, triggered by games played last season (as confirmed by other posters), for an additional year.

People are choosing to ignore my point that The clubs could have avoided this by not playing him in as many games to trigger this option, as it was obvious that he wasn't in Maloney's plans long before Johnson came in. And that whoever handles the contract negotiations and knows the details of the clauses should have communicated this with the manager.

i think this will need to be updated to a green and white scarf :ostrich: for those who are clearly choosing to ignore that there are obvious mistakes being made in the way the club is being run.

No, there aren't. At least not in the case of this particular dead horse that you continue to insist on flogging. You are ignoring the possibility that the manager and the finance team were both very well aware of the clause in the contract and chose to play him anyway.

"I need to play McGinn - I know that will trigger his extension clause, but i don't have any other viable options"

"No problem David - you're in charge of picking the squad, if you feel you need to play him then go ahead. Obviously we're looking at a new manager coming in, if he doesn't fancy Paul then we'll cross that bridge when we come to it but he's not a high earner and we'd likely find a club who would take him off our hands if the situation arises."

Is it really harder for you to believe that some conversation like this took place than that no-one at the club knows what they are doing ?

[I'm Spartacus]

Correct absolutely baffling folk believe this to be the case

I'd rather we were forced to sign him due to a **** up last season, if we have had a choice and chosen to take him then that's far from ideal is it not?

[One Day Soon]

I'd rather we were forced to sign him due to a **** up last season, if we have had a choice and chosen to take him then that's far from ideal is it not?


Not sure I'd be quite so harsh on him but still, that's very funny.

[G15 Hibs]

I might be being pedantic, but I'm pretty sure none of our players are getting any younger. :greengrin

Maybe not, but Lewis must have at least paused for a few years

[Bobby's Cinema]

Gogic was also a stalwart when we finished 3rd. Time moves on. McGinn would be fine as a squad player, but he’s potentially 4th choice RB now, not really a viable option as CB in a two IMO. So we’re talking about backup RCH when we play as a 3. Nice to have him as cover but his wage could be better used in midfield or up front IMO.
Mcginn had an outstanding first season with us, he offered more than just a dependable squad player from St Mirren. I was surprised by how good he was. But since then there's been a steady decline in performances and mistakes creeping in.

He's made a notable contribution for us since joining and should be thanked for that - with a bit of luck he could have been remembered as a cup winner with Hibs - but on current form over a sustained period I don't expect he'd be missed much. I could see him at a St Johnstone doing okay though.

Players in the mould of Clarke/Cadden/Mitchell/Miller/Doig we look to be potentially pretty dynamic down both sides and if that means we set-up more to utilise these players with a bit of pace and excitement injected I'm all for it.