Summer 2022-23 transfer thread

[Stuart93]

Exactly like the Hibs support. Home are Twitter fannies, away are the club stalwarts.

I’d say it’s more the other way around

[JohnM1875]

Exactly like the Hibs support. Home are Twitter fannies, away are the club stalwarts.

Tell you what, I have nothing but 100% respect for our away fans. Surely up there with the best? Another sell out again today in what has been an awful season. Fair play to all involved. I only dip my toe in every now and again when I can afford it. But the diehards deserve better.

Hopefully next year!

[Silky]

Exactly like the Hibs support. Home are Twitter fannies, away are the club stalwarts.

How do I become a Twitter fanny when I don't have Twitter? :hmmm:

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[BoomtownHibees]

Tell you what, I have nothing but 100% respect for our away fans. Surely up there with the best? Another sell out again today in what has been an awful season. Fair play to all involved. I only dip my toe in every now and again when I can afford it. But the diehards deserve better.

Hopefully next year!

Another sell out? Hope you’re being sarcastic

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder what will happen to the potential new players Maloney went to see this month

[JimBHibees]

Wonder what will happen to the potential new players Maloney went to see this month

Good question assume depends on who has recommended the player :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Good question assume depends on who has recommended the player :greengrin

Mixu had agreed contracts with a few players before he was punted; we cancelled most of them and signed one (Danny Galbraith).

[Jones28]

Wonder what will happen to the potential new players Maloney went to see this month

Presumably he met them on the recommendation from the scouting department rather than the manager specifically wanting to see them?

[Green Man]

Harry Milne who someone on here said we were interested in has won a couple of Cove POTY awards this evening.

Thistle have just announced him on a pre contract.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jack Hendry isn’t even getting into the squad now at Club Bruuge.

Not sure if it would be likely we could get him on loan but if there was a chance then we should be trying imo.

[badabing67]

Jack Hendry isn’t even getting into the squad now at Club Bruuge.

Not sure if it would be likely we could get him on loan but if there was a chance then we should be trying imo.

It wouldn't be a surprise if Sellick have an option

[MWHIBBIES]

It wouldn't be a surprise if Sellick have an option

I would, Celtic didn't sell him to his current club.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Mixu had agreed contracts with a few players before he was punted; we cancelled most of them and signed one (Danny Galbraith).

i remember going down to Bolton for their GK's testimonial which was arranged cause Mixu was good mates with him, only for us to sack him the month before. Some trip that was

Edit: apologies for taking off topic, just remembered when you mentioned Mixu

[Ronniekirk]

i remember going down to Bolton for their GK's testimonial which was arranged cause Mixu was good mates with him, only for us to sack him the month before. Some trip that was

Edit: apologies for taking off topic, just remembered when you mentioned Mixu

Was a great day out although some people just drank for most of the game


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[hibbyfraelibby]

How do I become a Twitter fanny when I don't have Twitter? :hmmm:

Are you confusing Twitter with Twatter?

[Hibbyradge]

How do I become a Twitter fanny when I don't have Twitter? :hmmm:

Download Twitter.

[Wilson]

Download Twitter.

Ouch, that's cold!

[JamesHFC]

I heard that Charles-Cook was one of the players Maloney spoke to.

[Hibbyradge]

Ouch, that's cold!

I don't actually know what that means. :hilarious

[JohnM1875]

I heard that Charles-Cook was one of the players Maloney spoke to.

Really hope so.

[Ringothedog]

i remember going down to Bolton for their GK's testimonial which was arranged cause Mixu was good mates with him, only for us to sack him the month before. Some trip that was

Edit: apologies for taking off topic, just remembered when you mentioned Mixu

It was mental down there. A lot of bother if I remember correctly

[Hibiza]

Really hope so.

Grossly overated in my humble.

[JohnM1875]

Grossly overated in my humble.

Current top scorer in the league. For Ross County.

Still only 25 so good age and can play both wings but mainly left.

I personally hope we're all over it.

[ahibby]

Grossly overated in my humble.

Mine too.

[ian cruise]

I heard that Charles-Cook was one of the players Maloney spoke to.

If you look at most of the other players we sign from SPFL clubs and how they are viewed by fans (Wright, JDH, Nisbet, Murphy when he was here) the fans are excited because they look good for other clubs but really quick to decide they're not good enough after one or two bad games for Hibs, even if they've previously performed. I fear Charles-Cook would be the same.

[Tommy75]

If you look at most of the other players we sign from SPFL clubs and how they are viewed by fans (Wright, JDH, Nisbet, Murphy when he was here) the fans are excited because they look good for other clubs but really quick to decide they're not good enough after one or two bad games for Hibs, even if they've previously performed. I fear Charles-Cook would be the same.

Obviously some do, but it feels like for years it has hardly ever worked out when we've signed players from other Scottish teams

[leith lynx]

I heard that Charles-Cook was one of the players Maloney spoke to.

Should have signed him in January, would have made the top six if we did.

[BSEJVT]

Personally would have preferred Mbappe, Messi, Ronaldo and Lewandowski

That’s how this works isn’t it.

We randomly name players whose clubs maybe wouldn’t sell them, who we maybe can’t afford and who maybe wouldn’t want to play for us at that time.

[Onceinawhile]

Personally would have preferred Mbappe, Messi, Ronaldo and Lewandowski

That’s how this works isn’t it.

We randomly name players whose clubs maybe wouldn’t sell them, who we maybe can’t afford and who maybe wouldn’t want to play for us at that time.

I'd take mbappe, but the rest are well over 30 and not worth bringing in.

No re sale value in them.

[easty]

If you look at most of the other players we sign from SPFL clubs and how they are viewed by fans (Wright, JDH, Nisbet, Murphy when he was here) the fans are excited because they look good for other clubs but really quick to decide they're not good enough after one or two bad games for Hibs, even if they've previously performed. I fear Charles-Cook would be the same.

Charles Cook prob wouldn’t come here and end up top scorer in the league, but he’d improve us massively I think. Looks a far better option than Jasper or Mueller.

Nisbet has been a good signing. Murphy was ok, but everyone knew we were signing a guy on the downward trajectory of his career. The Drey Wright one confused me at the time when we signed him. Tommy Wright talked him up, but he’d been up here a couple of seasons and I literally had no idea what sort of player he was. Knew the name, but I don’t think - pre-Hibs - I’d ever seen him do anything of note in the 2 years he was in our league. I kind of thought the same of JDH.

Charles Cook is different as he’s been a revelation this season.

[May21/05/216]

Charles Cook is singing a pre contract for the charity robbers

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[easty]

Charles Cook is singing a pre contract for the charity robbers

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Where is that reported?

[erin go bragh]

Should have signed him in January, would have made the top six if we did.

Rumoured that we tried to but the player said no .

[Northernhibee]

Charles Cook is singing a pre contract for the charity robbers

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And there we see the draw that the European group football has.

Thanks, Maloney.

[Mcbizz1998]

Charles Cook is singing a pre contract for the charity robbers

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He is out of contract isn’t he? Why a pre?

[Since452]

And there we see the draw that the European group football has.

Thanks, Maloney.

Unfortunatley we are shopping a level below Hearts now due to the failed experement.

[MWHIBBIES]

He is out of contract isn’t he? Why a pre?

Because hes not out of contract yet. End of the season.

[B.H.F.C]

Unfortunatley we are shopping a level below Hearts now due to the failed experement.

Na, it’s no all down to a failed experiment. They pay more than us, have done for years. Just that they’ve wasted it a lot of the time.

[A Hi-Bee]

Unfortunatley we are shopping a level below Hearts now due to the failed experement.

We are shopping in a level below the manky ones, as they have more cash to spend than we do, they have for a while. They also have much more going to arrive from the trips to Europe they now have, dont see how we can hang that one on Maloney, less cash = less quality of player, it really is pretty simple.
Cheating manky ones have ended up smelling o roses, after wading around in the dug***** for years.

[Gmack7]

A high profile manager will help attract players. Stop signing a similar level of player and make any future signing a player we ( management team) expect to going to the 1st 11 and stay there

[Broken Gnome]

Folk need to keep the head a bit this summer, won't be the first time Hearts sign someone that we apparently should be interested in. It's not the end of the world, and it won't be the next time. Hearts will also need a much bigger squad than us for Europe, so will probably be linked with a new name every day.

We'll have a team capable of beating Hearts or any of the others in a one-off, just needs some time and patience. And the right manager choice.

[Unseen work]

Might come back to haunt me but I’m not bothered about Charles Cook and that’s not just because he’s not signing for us.

IMO he hit a purple patch this season and it will prove to be the case, he’s never even got close to the numbers he’s got currently.

[JimBHibees]

Might come back to haunt me but I’m not bothered about Charles Cook and that’s not just because he’s not signing for us.

IMO he hit a purple patch this season and it will prove to be the case, he’s never even got close to the numbers he’s got currently.

Same for me

[Paulie Walnuts]

And there we see the draw that the European group football has.

Thanks, Maloney.

:faf:

[JamesHFC]

Unfortunatley we are shopping a level below Hearts now due to the failed experement.

We were shopping a level below them back in the summer after we finished 3rd and they were finding their way back into the Premiership.

[ahibby]

Same for me

Distinctly average but above average at letting balls run away from him and out of play. Glad he is not coming here, we need better than him to improve us.

[Bridge hibs]

:faf:Whats funny, the poster has a point, we could have done with extra cash and from a supporters point of view getting the passport out and enjoying some european visits.

They may get rammed hopefully but it doesnt distract from the point our rivals are there and we arent

[SHODAN]

We are always shopping a level below Hearts or are less willing to spend than they are. This seems to persist regardless of owners, fan input, recent success. It's infuriating and tiring.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Whats funny, the poster has a point, we could have done with extra cash and from a supporters point of view getting the passport out and enjoying some european visits.

They may get rammed hopefully but it doesnt distract from the point our rivals are there and we arent

“Thanks Maloney”

Yes, the man who was manager for less than 40% of our season league season and took us over in 7th place (the place we’re currently sitting in) is solely to blame for us missing out on Europe.

[Northernhibee]

“Thanks Maloney”

Yes, the man who was manager for less than 40% of our season league season and took us over in 7th place (the place we’re currently sitting in) is solely to blame for us missing out on Europe.

The reason he was in charge for that is he was a stubborn, arrogant nobody whose “vision” came before what was best for the club.

[B.H.F.C]

The reason he was in charge for that is he was a stubborn, arrogant nobody whose “vision” came before what was best for the club.

Stubborn, definitely. But never really struck me as arrogant. He just wasn’t very good at his job, don’t think it’s because he was putting himself before the club though. He just didn’t really know how to change things.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The reason he was in charge for that is he was a stubborn, arrogant nobody whose “vision” came before what was best for the club.

Same with Jack Ross then I presume? We set up pretty similarly most weeks under him when it wasn’t working?

[Bridge hibs]

“Thanks Maloney”

Yes, the man who was manager for less than 40% of our season league season and took us over in 7th place (the place we’re currently sitting in) is solely to blame for us missing out on Europe.He managed hibs to 7th place and we have missed out on europe, yes, why not post that in your reply rather than the patronising laughing thing ?

Its been a **** season and we would have loved to have been in their place, anyway Im not here to argue, onwards and upwards 👍

[Paulie Walnuts]

He managed hibs to 7th place and we have missed out on europe, yes, why not post that in your reply rather than the patronising laughing thing ?

Its been a **** season and we would have loved to have been in their place, anyway Im not here to argue, onwards and upwards 👍

Because the suggestion in the post was that Maloney was solely to blame.

That idea deserves a patronising laughing thing.

[Eyrie]

Because the suggestion in the post was that Maloney was solely to blame.

That idea deserves a patronising laughing thing.

Maloney needed just one more draw or win from his matches to get us into the top six. And he failed.

There were plenty of fans on here pointing out where he was going wrong long before he was fired, and the best his defenders could muster was to blame Ross and tell us to wait until next season.

So yes, Maloney is far more at fault than Ross for us missing out.

[Bridge hibs]

Because the suggestion in the post was that Maloney was solely to blame.

That idea deserves a patronising laughing thing.An immature and patronising reply to the poster, grow up

[IberianHibernian]

Just realised this is the summer transfer thread though it seems to have been hijacked by the few posters who attacked Maloney constantly during his time at Hibs ( probably before as well ) and continue to do so now . If he was still our manager he`d be busy with plans for next season - signings , pre season etc. I was looking forward to what he was going to do after pre season and new signings so just hope club and new manager can sign some players to walk straight in to first team and also to strengthen squad though we are unlikely to have nearly as many injuries next season . League Cup finalists , SC semi finals and within a goal of 4th place at split ( that miss by Melkerson v Dundee United was difference between 4th and 7th ) despite losing Boyle midseason and a horrendous injury list throughout season makes me think that there are reasons to be optimistic .

[blackpoolhibs]

Maloney was brought in to make us better, just one point better would have done, but he failed miserably.

Of couse he's to blame, Ross would have got us top 6 easily.

[IberianHibernian]

Maloney was brought in to make us better, just one point better would have done, but he failed miserably.

Of couse he's to blame, Ross would have got us top 6 easily.With the same injury list I doubt Ross or any other manager would have done any better . And Ross had Boyle , Nesbit and Doidge while we`ve been playing with Scott and a teenager signed for next season or later as our only recognised strikers for a few months - last Saturday we got lucky but most games a team with no forwards will struggle .

[GreenCastle]

Just realised this is the summer transfer thread though it seems to have been hijacked by the few posters who attacked Maloney constantly during his time at Hibs ( probably before as well ) and continue to do so now . If he was still our manager he`d be busy with plans for next season - signings , pre season etc. I was looking forward to what he was going to do after pre season and new signings so just hope club and new manager can sign some players to walk straight in to first team and also to strengthen squad though we are unlikely to have nearly as many injuries next season . League Cup finalists , SC semi finals and within a goal of 4th place at split ( that miss by Melkerson v Dundee United was difference between 4th and 7th ) despite losing Boyle midseason and a horrendous injury list throughout season makes me think that there are reasons to be optimistic .

Think it was more than a miss by 19 year old Melkersen which cost us top 6.

Failing to beat any of the bottom 3 was more detrimental.

If Maloney was still manager I would be worried about the summer ahead and also he wouldn’t have won last week - we would still be worrying about finishing 11th.

Folk need to understand He was just out his depth in the job and make quite a few rookie errors including not adding a central midfielder in January which many posters in here highlighted.

Here we go again for summer and even most fans know what the team needs so will be interesting to see it Hibs have learnt and the new manager is aware of he will make same mistakes as Ross and Maloney and not recruiting well. Obviously recruitment team linked to this also.

[B.H.F.C]

Dan Mackay getting a rare start for Killie tonight. Easy to forget we paid a six figure fee for him last summer. Wonder what our plans are for him this summer.

[Bridge hibs]

Dan Mackay getting a rare start for Killie tonight. Easy to forget we paid a six figure fee for him last summer. Wonder what our plans are for him this summer.McInness trialing anti hoof to his Strikers tonight

[SMAXXA]

I don’t care who Hearts or anyone else sign I care who Hibs sign

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t care who Hearts or anyone else sign I care who Hibs sign

I certainly don’t care if they sign Charles Cook.

A half decent signing. Still a huge gamble after only having 1 good season. Even that good season has only seen him score 13 goals with 4 games left, it’s hardly earth shattering numbers.

[bingo70]

I don’t care who Hearts or anyone else sign I care who Hibs sign

I agree with you.

There are times when I’m interested in them but for now it’s all about what we’re up to

[JohnM1875]

I certainly don’t care if they sign Charles Cook.

A half decent signing. Still a huge gamble after only having 1 good season. Even that good season has only seen him score 13 goals with 4 games left, it’s hardly earth shattering numbers.

I'd be surprised if it isn't as many league goals as our current fit team combined.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd be surprised if it isn't as many league goals as our current fit team combined.

I wouldn’t be surprised either, that says more about us than Charles Cook though.

25 and he’d never scored more than 3 goals in a season at any sort of decent level before this one. 13 is decent, but it’s really not all that exciting. Martin Boyle has more than that and he left in January.

I would have been alright with us signing him but I have absolutely no issues in us not signing him. He’ll not get a game for Hearts ahead of Mackay or Boyce imo and I’d be surprised if they played all 3.

[Paulie Walnuts]

With the same injury list I doubt Ross or any other manager would have done any better . And Ross had Boyle , Nesbit and Doidge while we`ve been playing with Scott and a teenager signed for next season or later as our only recognised strikers for a few months - last Saturday we got lucky but most games a team with no forwards will struggle .

Jack Ross got sacked with us sitting in 7th place and he was showing no signs of turning it round yet he was going to “easily” get us top 6. :faf:

[JohnM1875]

I wouldn’t be surprised either, that says more about us than Charles Cook though.

25 and he’d never scored more than 3 goals in a season at any sort of decent level before this one. 13 is decent, but it’s really not all that exciting. Martin Boyle has more than that and he left in January.

I would have been alright with us signing him but I have absolutely no issues in us not signing him. He’ll not get a game for Hearts ahead of Mackay or Boyce imo and I’d be surprised if they played all 3.

Haha you're right about that, definitely says more about us.

Said earlier in the thread I'd be chuffed if we signed him. At least he's had one good season proven at this level going for him.

Won't lose sleep if he ends up signing for Hearts though, wee gimp haha.

[Callum_62]

Jack Ross got sacked with us sitting in 7th place and he was showing no signs of turning it round yet he was going to “easily” get us top 6. :faf:I think he was showing signs of turning it around but that's for a differnet thread I guess

Charles Cooke I'm not fussed about to be honest

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[Inconsequential]

Jack Ross got sacked with us sitting in 7th place and he was showing no signs of turning it round yet he was going to “easily” get us top 6. :faf: Well, Jack Ross got Hibs into 3rd place last season. Nobody knows for sure if he would get the side into the top six. But imo he would have. So there you are someone with a different opinion than you. FIGHT! :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

Well, Jack Ross got Hibs into 3rd place last season. Nobody knows for sure if he would get the side into the top six. But imo he would have. So there you are someone with a different opinion than you. FIGHT! :wink:

Jack Ross would easily have got one more point than Maloney did in his tenure. In his bloody sleep. :faf:

[MWHIBBIES]

Jack Ross got sacked with us sitting in 7th place and he was showing no signs of turning it round yet he was going to “easily” get us top 6. :faf:

Jack Rosses granny would've got at least 1 more point than Shaun. Come on man, you have to see how much better Ross was than Maloney. Its not even close.

[bingo70]

Jack Ross would easily have got one more point than Maloney did in his tenure. In his bloody sleep. :faf:

Without Boyle? I’m not convinced.

I don’t think we would have won the games against Dundee Utd and Aberdeen that SM did when he first took over as we were on such a bad run at the time. We will never know and you might well be right, I don’t think it’s the banker you’re suggesting though.

[Dalianwanda]

Jack Rosses granny would've got at least 1 more point than Shaun. Come on man, you have to see how much better Ross was than Maloney. Its not even close.

Never mind his granny Jack Ross wasn’t getting points and showed no signs of getting them. He did better in his times with us than Maloney but that’s it.

[loanheadhibby]

I think he was showing signs of turning it around but that's for a differnet thread I guess

Charles Cooke I'm not fussed about to be honest

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I’m not sure if you’re at wind up here? He showed absolutely no signs of turning it round. In fact, we were getting worse and our discipline had gone.

It was right decision to remove him. Sadly we replaced with someone as bad if not worse.

[bingo70]

Never mind his granny Jack Ross wasn’t getting points and showed no signs of getting them. He did better in his times with us than Maloney but that’s it.

The last two wins for Ross both came against 10 men. The wheels had well and truly come off for him as manager.

I think he would have stopped the slide we were on and I don’t think we would have been close to relegation. I don’t think he would have won those games against Aberdeen and Dundee Utd though and I’m not convinced he would have made up the 7 points elsewhere, rather than the 1 point that I can understand people are talking about.

[Tully]

Both managers to blame,both due to stubbornness and shocking football to watch, never been so bored at most games
this season,really need to get it right with the manager this time

[Since452]

I honestly don't think top six was difficult from when Ross was sacked. Should have been a formality. 3rd was still very much on at that point. The woeful appointment of Maloney was the problem. The injury list actually bought him time. Should have been sacked weeks before he was. Shouldn't have been appointed in the first place.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jack Rosses granny would've got at least 1 more point than Shaun. Come on man, you have to see how much better Ross was than Maloney. Its not even close.


Jack Ross got binned and we immediately picked up 10 points from the next 4 games. We picked up 4 points in Ross’ final 9 games.

There’s not a hope in hell we were picking up 10 points from those 4 games under Ross, not even close so this suggestion that he’d have just needed to pick up ‘1 more point’ is daft really.

He’d have had to dramatically turn around our fortunes for us to have even got to the points total we are on now. We’ve picked up 1.22ppg since he left. We picked up 0.44ppg in the run that got him sacked. He wasn’t showing any signs of turning things around, infact we were getting worse. He then would have also had the loss of Martin Boyle to contend with, a player who absolutely carried his team this season and then losing Nisbet on top of that.

Both managers played a huge role in us ending up bottom 6. Jack Ross left us in an absolute mess and in the bottom 6 and Maloney done nothing to improve things. So going back to the original post that started the debate -

Thanks Jack Ross and Shaun Maloney.

[B.H.F.C]

Both managers to blame,both due to stubbornness and shocking football to watch, never been so bored at most games
this season,really need to get it right with the manager this time

First line is absolutely true. It’s like you need to be on one side or the other. Still think we were right to sack Ross. Obviously we weren’t right to appoint Maloney.

On the subject of transfers, the last two windows have been shocking. Both managers contributed to that. We need to have a good window this summer or we’ll continue to be pish.

[Callum_62]

I’m not sure if you’re at wind up here? He showed absolutely no signs of turning it round. In fact, we were getting worse and our discipline had gone.

It was right decision to remove him. Sadly we replaced with someone as bad if not worse.Not a wind up at all

Ross last 6 games were

Win (league Cup semi)
Loss
Win
Loss (late penalty against rangers)
Draw
Loss (capitulation livi)

His 4 games before that were all losses

I'm not sure how that's getting worse

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[Smartie]

Jack Ross got binned and we immediately picked up 10 points from the next 4 games. We picked up 4 points in Ross’ final 9 games.

There’s not a hope in hell we were picking up 10 points from those 4 games under Ross, not even close so this suggestion that he’d have just needed to pick up ‘1 more point’ is daft really.

He’d have had to dramatically turn around our fortunes for us to have even got to the points total we are on now. We’ve picked up 1.22ppg since he left. We picked up 0.44ppg in the run that got him sacked. He wasn’t showing any signs of turning things around, infact we were getting worse. He then would have also had the loss of Martin Boyle to contend with, a player who absolutely carried his team this season.

Both managers played a huge role in us ending up bottom 6. Jack Ross left us in an absolute mess and Maloney done nothing to improve things. So going back to the original post that started the debate -

Thanks Jack Ross and Shaun Maloney.

I’d be happy to put Shaun Maloney’s decent start down to a “new manager bounce”.

I’d be amazed if - after that - Jack Ross wouldn’t have got more points than Shaun Maloney.

Jack Ross needed a decent January transfer window. He wasn’t given a chance to have one.

Comparing the 2 is ultimately all a bit apples and oranges and aunties having baws stuff as we’ll all have our opinions but we’ll never know.

[SMAXXA]

Jack Ross got binned and we immediately picked up 10 points from the next 4 games. We picked up 4 points in Ross’ final 9 games.

There’s not a hope in hell we were picking up 10 points from those 4 games under Ross, not even close so this suggestion that he’d have just needed to pick up ‘1 more point’ is daft really.

He’d have had to dramatically turn around our fortunes for us to have even got to the points total we are on now. We’ve picked up 1.22ppg since he left. We picked up 0.44ppg in the run that got him sacked. He wasn’t showing any signs of turning things around, infact we were getting worse. He then would have also had the loss of Martin Boyle to contend with, a player who absolutely carried his team this season.

Both managers played a huge role in us ending up bottom 6. Jack Ross left us in an absolute mess and Maloney done nothing to improve things. So going back to the original post that started the debate -

Thanks Jack Ross and Shaun Maloney.

I keep reading from people that JR left us in an absolute mess, I tend to think that’s a bit dramatic and not sure I agree. Yes the form and run we were on was horrendous but we had key players missing aswell. We got to a final pumping Rangers, I can’t help feel if he got the January window we would have come good again. When he was sacked amazingly we weren’t that far of the European spots so wasn’t an absolute mess, that’s more fortunate due to both well and dons doing pish but equally the opportunity to win a few games to get back to the top end was there.

Point is for me, an absolute mess na, does it change the justification for sacking him due to run we were on debatable (throwing in the final and Jan window round the corner).

[JamesHFC]

The last two wins for Ross both came against 10 men. The wheels had well and truly come off for him as manager.

I think he would have stopped the slide we were on and I don’t think we would have been close to relegation. I don’t think he would have won those games against Aberdeen and Dundee Utd though and I’m not convinced he would have made up the 7 points elsewhere, rather than the 1 point that I can understand people are talking about.

For me, Jack Ross tenure will be remembered for the following -

Positives. Rangers win at Hampden, his only win against the Old Firm in his time here, a 2-0 win at Tynecastle against one of the poorest Hearts team in decades and finishing 3rd during a global pandemic where there were no supporters and one of our biggest rivals playing in a different league.

Negatives. Personally found the football boring to watch, hammered 3-1 at home to bottom of the table Hearts, getting beat by a Championship Hearts side who hardly kicked a ball for 6 months at Hampden, getting beat and failing to score against St Johnstone in a league cup semi final and Scottish Cup final. Getting battered 4-1 in Europe whilst St Johnstone and Aberdeen go into the next round. Zero wins over the OF in the league including a game against Celtic’s B team after their trip to Dubai.

Very average manager who would jump at the chance of managing Hearts tomorrow if offered.

[JamesHFC]

Jack Ross got binned and we immediately picked up 10 points from the next 4 games. We picked up 4 points in Ross’ final 9 games.

There’s not a hope in hell we were picking up 10 points from those 4 games under Ross, not even close so this suggestion that he’d have just needed to pick up ‘1 more point’ is daft really.

He’d have had to dramatically turn around our fortunes for us to have even got to the points total we are on now. We’ve picked up 1.22ppg since he left. We picked up 0.44ppg in the run that got him sacked. He wasn’t showing any signs of turning things around, infact we were getting worse. He then would have also had the loss of Martin Boyle to contend with, a player who absolutely carried his team this season.

Both managers played a huge role in us ending up bottom 6. Jack Ross left us in an absolute mess and Maloney done nothing to improve things. So going back to the original post that started the debate -

Thanks Jack Ross and Shaun Maloney.

Ross only got us 7th in his first season in charge, he was here for 18 league games. St Johnstone finished above us on points per game but our form going into the split wasn’t very good anyway.

Hibs 1-1 Livi
Hibs 1-3 Hearts
Aberdeen 3-1 Hibs

7 wins, 4 draws and 7 defeats in those 18 games.

[GreenCastle]

For me, Jack Ross tenure will be remembered for the following -

Positives. Rangers win at Hampden, his only win against the Old Firm in his time here, a 2-0 win at Tynecastle against one of the poorest Hearts team in decades and finishing 3rd during a global pandemic where there were no supporters and one of our biggest rivals playing in a different league.

Negatives. Personally found the football boring to watch, hammered 3-1 at home to bottom of the table Hearts, getting beat by a Championship Hearts side who hardly kicked a ball for 6 months at Hampden, getting beat and failing to score against St Johnstone in a league cup semi final and Scottish Cup final. Getting battered 4-1 in Europe whilst St Johnstone and Aberdeen go into the next round. Zero wins over the OF in the league including a game against Celtic’s B team after their trip to Dubai.

Very average manager who would jump at the chance of managing Hearts tomorrow if offered.

This.

The Jack Ross needed another window chat is almost as bad as Maloney needed a window.

Both managers were struggling badly and another window was a risk.

Both failed to address 2 simple areas.

Ross - didn’t bring in another striker in summer.
Maloney - didn’t bring in another central midfielder in January.

Both obvious problem areas.

Jack Ross needed to go but simply Maloney didn’t take us forward as expected. He made us worse.

We are probably at least 2 transfer windows away from a rebuild now.

That’s if we get a decent manager plus don’t make a mess of recruitment again this summer and get rid of the deadwood in the squad.

[Scorrie]

Any transfer news / rumours?!

[loanheadhibby]

Any transfer news / rumours?!

Not likely to be fair given we don’t have a manager. Whilst I’m sure we will be speaking to players, Ron said manager has final say. So until new manager in place, I’d imagine it will be pretty quiet?

[Winston Ingram]

This.

The Jack Ross needed another window chat is almost as bad as Maloney needed a window.

Both managers were struggling badly and another window was a risk.

Both failed to address 2 simple areas.

Ross - didn’t bring in another striker in summer.
Maloney - didn’t bring in another central midfielder in January.

Both obvious problem areas.

Jack Ross needed to go but simply Maloney didn’t take us forward as expected. He made us worse.

We are probably at least 2 transfer windows away from a rebuild now.

That’s if we get a decent manager plus don’t make a mess of recruitment again this summer and get rid of the deadwood in the squad.

I think we’d have finished top 6 with JR. I also think we were right to sack him. The appointment of Maloney was a bonkers decision and unsurprisingly a complete disaster.

[Jones28]

This.

The Jack Ross needed another window chat is almost as bad as Maloney needed a window.

Both managers were struggling badly and another window was a risk.

Both failed to address 2 simple areas.

Ross - didn’t bring in another striker in summer.
Maloney - didn’t bring in another central midfielder in January.

Both obvious problem areas.

Jack Ross needed to go but simply Maloney didn’t take us forward as expected. He made us worse.

We are probably at least 2 transfer windows away from a rebuild now.

That’s if we get a decent manager plus don’t make a mess of recruitment again this summer and get rid of the deadwood in the squad.

The glaring difference is that Ross had a proven track record of success with us. He had enough credit in the bank to see him through to January and beyond IMO. He deserved the chance to get players in January and get a stab at turning things around.

[Dmas]

I think we’d have finished top 6 with JR. I also think we were right to sack him. The appointment of Maloney was a bonkers decision and unsurprisingly a complete disaster.

Finishing top 6 is not really a decent argument an extra point would have got us there it’s no real achievement, it’s been an awful season from start to finish and there’s more than one person to blame, I personally feel the sacking of maloney was very harsh however definitely see where Ron was coming from when he explained his decision.

My main concern is the recruitment team, not Ian Gordon or all that owners son stuff but the team he’s heading up, the targets we hear rumours about and the signings we have made probably since our 2nd season back in prem has been pretty poor, Lenny, heck, Mathie, Ross, Maloney have all lost there jobs in that period yet we know very little of any changes to the staffing supplying this committee and managers with players to sign.

[hibee-boys]

For me, Jack Ross tenure will be remembered for the following -

Positives. Rangers win at Hampden, his only win against the Old Firm in his time here, a 2-0 win at Tynecastle against one of the poorest Hearts team in decades and finishing 3rd during a global pandemic where there were no supporters and one of our biggest rivals playing in a different league.

Negatives. Personally found the football boring to watch, hammered 3-1 at home to bottom of the table Hearts, getting beat by a Championship Hearts side who hardly kicked a ball for 6 months at Hampden, getting beat and failing to score against St Johnstone in a league cup semi final and Scottish Cup final. Getting battered 4-1 in Europe whilst St Johnstone and Aberdeen go into the next round. Zero wins over the OF in the league including a game against Celtic’s B team after their trip to Dubai.

Very average manager who would jump at the chance of managing Hearts tomorrow if offered.

I think that 2nd paragraph has triggered PTSD, truly horrendous results/performances.

[gorgie greens]

The glaring difference is that Ross had a proven track record of success with us. He had enough credit in the bank to see him through to January and beyond IMO. He deserved the chance to get players in January and get a stab at turning things around.

Feel you must have been watching another Hibs team if you felt he deserved another chance , he should have been emptied after the Scottish Cup final , his football was the worse i have ever had the misfortune to watch and i include Butcher in this and all the other imposters that we have had to suffer over the years .
Ross had the good fortune to have Boyle in his line up , top scorer but also 17 assists before he left ,where Malloney did not , he also had the worse luck of injuries i have known following Hibs .

[Scotty Leither]

Should have signed him in January, would have made the top six if we did.

There was "nobody available" in January after we sold Boyle, according to our owner during his recent interviews.

[JimBHibees]

There was "nobody available" in January after we sold Boyle, according to our owner during his recent interviews.

The second part of his answer probably was who we wanted

[Scotty Leither]

The second part of his answer probably was who we wanted

Who we wanted was probably too expensive, despite a £3m incoming transfer fee. Talks a good game, does our owner.

[JimBHibees]

Who we wanted was probably too expensive, despite a £3m incoming transfer fee. Talks a good game, does our owner.

Fair enough he probably didn't expect Doidge to struggle so much Magennis not to kick another ball and Nisbet to get an acl.

[Clarence]

Fair enough he probably didn't expect Doidge to struggle so much Magennis not to kick another ball and Nisbet to get an acl.

This.

[Scotty Leither]

Fair enough he probably didn't expect Doidge to struggle so much Magennis not to kick another ball and Nisbet to get an acl.

Other teams get injuries...Doidge was injured in August, and as usual we had/have no depth to the squad to cover his absence and have to recast the team, either playing Nisbet as a lone striker or playing the likes of Gullan sporadically.

It's the same movie as we watched under Petrie, sell our top player, bring in nowhere near any quality to replace them, and then sign a couple of cheap loan players and think that'll appease the fans.

It's not good enough, and what compounds it is the owner's laddie now fulfils a role as "Head of Recruitment" whose input is still ill-defined, yet we've not to question that either?

is it such a big step to expect to sign players that go straight into the first team, or is that too much to ask?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’d be happy to put Shaun Maloney’s decent start down to a “new manager bounce”.

I’d be amazed if - after that - Jack Ross wouldn’t have got more points than Shaun Maloney.

Jack Ross needed a decent January transfer window. He wasn’t given a chance to have one.

Comparing the 2 is ultimately all a bit apples and oranges and aunties having baws stuff as we’ll all have our opinions but we’ll never know.

It may well have been a new manager bounce. It may well have been because we had Martin Boyle. When Jack Ross left our results improved dramatically for a bit.

Either way though, I really didn’t see anything from Jack Ross towards the end of his time here to say he was going to be picking up 1.22ppg going forward like we’ve picked up since he left (funnily enough, that amount of PPG over the course of this season would stand a good chance of getting you 4th). He’d have needed to match that to just be where we are now so the suggestion Ross would have managed ‘just one more point’ than Maloney is nonsense really. That idea is based on Jack Ross having picked up the points we picked up since he left to put him in a position to need ‘just one more point’, something he was showing no signs at all of doing.

The 4 game run we went on immediately after he left shows he wasn’t getting nearly enough out of the team.

Jack Ross and Shaun Maloney are both hugely to blame for us being bottom 6.

[GreenCastle]

Fair enough he probably didn't expect Doidge to struggle so much Magennis not to kick another ball and Nisbet to get an acl.

Doidge was always going to take time - any physio would tell you that following an Achilles injury.

Magennis - well with his previous injuries - needed another midfielder.

Nisbet - linked to Doidge missing - playing him every game was a lot of pressure and probably no co-incidence he was injured as not much rest - hibs and Scotland.

[bigwheel]

I’d be happy to put Shaun Maloney’s decent start down to a “new manager bounce”.

I’d be amazed if - after that - Jack Ross wouldn’t have got more points than Shaun Maloney.

Jack Ross needed a decent January transfer window. He wasn’t given a chance to have one.

Comparing the 2 is ultimately all a bit apples and oranges and aunties having baws stuff as we’ll all have our opinions but we’ll never know.

I’d say the two early wins for Maloney, before the winter break , were much more about SDG than him . He had little time to influence how we played in those games . As soon as he had time to work with the players and put his own style into play , we went backwards . In reality we had a new manager “sink”…

[Dmas]

Doidge was always going to take time - any physio would tell you that following an Achilles injury.

Magennis - well with his previous injuries - needed another midfielder.

Nisbet - linked to Doidge missing - playing him every game was a lot of pressure and probably no co-incidence he was injured as not much rest - hibs and Scotland.

The need for a midfielder wasn’t a talking point up until the Jan window, we where all screaming for defender and striker we brought that in, I wonder how much of the activity in January, a fair amount of done with Ross in charge as has been said by Maloney, added to the need to let gogic hallberg and Tait all leave which really left us short in midfield adding to the pressure on Maloney from the off.

We where short in midfield and scrambling to replace Boyle late in the window with everyone knowing we’d banked millions not ideal position to be in.

[Jones28]

Feel you must have been watching another Hibs team if you felt he deserved another chance , he should have been emptied after the Scottish Cup final , his football was the worse i have ever had the misfortune to watch and i include Butcher in this and all the other imposters that we have had to suffer over the years .
Ross had the good fortune to have Boyle in his line up , top scorer but also 17 assists before he left ,where Malloney did not , he also had the worse luck of injuries i have known following Hibs .

So in one breath he was awful but in the other he had dreadful injuries to contend with?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

[bigwheel]

Feel you must have been watching another Hibs team if you felt he deserved another chance , he should have been emptied after the Scottish Cup final , his football was the worse i have ever had the misfortune to watch and i include Butcher in this and all the other imposters that we have had to suffer over the years .
Ross had the good fortune to have Boyle in his line up , top scorer but also 17 assists before he left ,where Malloney did not , he also had the worse luck of injuries i have known following Hibs .

Worse than Butcher?? Hahaha. Ffs ….he had the best top league win rate since Willie McFarlane - that includes Turnbull…only Stubbs betters him in modern times when we were in the championship…

Fair enough if he wasn’t your cup of tea, but take some tablets if that’s your genuine view …

[Dmas]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

According to wiki he’s scored 8 premier league goals in his career, if there gonna break the bank for him, good huge downgrade on the lad simms IMO

[JamesHFC]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

They will get between £3-4m from European football as well as money for finishing 3rd, reaching Scottish cup final, probably record season ticket sales next season and the benefactor. Unfortunately they are in a healthy position.

[MWHIBBIES]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

Would he cost anything?

[Jones28]

Worse than Butcher?? Hahaha. Ffs ….he had the best top league win rate since Willie McFarlane - that includes Turnbull…only Stubbs betters him in modern times when we were in the championship…

Fair enough if he wasn’t your cup of tea, but take some tablets if that’s your genuine view …

Don’t let the facts get in the way.

[MWHIBBIES]

Feel you must have been watching another Hibs team if you felt he deserved another chance , he should have been emptied after the Scottish Cup final , his football was the worse i have ever had the misfortune to watch and i include Butcher in this and all the other imposters that we have had to suffer over the years .
Ross had the good fortune to have Boyle in his line up , top scorer but also 17 assists before he left ,where Malloney did not , he also had the worse luck of injuries i have known following Hibs .

His football was nowhere near as bad as butcher, Calderwood, Williamson, fenlon etc. You are simply lying.

[Since452]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

I'd be more concerned if they kept Simms.

[04Sauzee]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

As long as they have all the money they would need for the tinfoil. He's a strange character.

[J-C]

Good to see the old Ross argument taking over another thread, he's gone as is Maloney, there's absolutely no point arguing who was/is worse etc, both were p1sh this year.

[JohnM1875]

Good to see the old Ross argument taking over another thread, he's gone as is Maloney, there's absolutely no point arguing who was/is worse etc, both were p1sh this year.

Think regardless of the thread there seems to be a number of posts until it inevitably gets onto Ross again. Just getting boring now.

[Smartie]

I'd be more concerned if they kept Simms.

Is there any chance we could nip in and take him on loan for a year?

He looks like exactly what we’ve been crying out for for years imo.

I’m sure my mate told me that Jack Ross had mentioned in commentary that he’d tried to get him to Hibs at one point, but it fell through due to him being injured?

[MWHIBBIES]

Is there any chance we could nip in and take him on loan for a year?

He looks like exactly what we’ve been crying out for for years imo.

I’m sure my mate told me that Jack Ross had mentioned in commentary that he’d tried to get him to Hibs at one point, but it fell through due to him being injured?

Zero chance

[Jones28]

Is there any chance we could nip in and take him on loan for a year?

He looks like exactly what we’ve been crying out for for years imo.

I’m sure my mate told me that Jack Ross had mentioned in commentary that he’d tried to get him to Hibs at one point, but it fell through due to him being injured?

If hearts go back in for him there’s no chance we’ll get him.

[leith lynx]

Is there any chance we could nip in and take him on loan for a year?

He looks like exactly what we’ve been crying out for for years imo.

I’m sure my mate told me that Jack Ross had mentioned in commentary that he’d tried to get him to Hibs at one point, but it fell through due to him being injured?

Yes, Jack Ross definitely said that.

[bigwheel]

Is there any chance we could nip in and take him on loan for a year?

He looks like exactly what we’ve been crying out for for years imo.

I’m sure my mate told me that Jack Ross had mentioned in commentary that he’d tried to get him to Hibs at one point, but it fell through due to him being injured?

No chance imo ..we tried apparently to get him again when they signed him. He chose them. and now has affinity with them …

[banchoryhibs]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

Cup final, season tickets, European money and £5m from their benefactor. They can easily afford Shankland.

[Torto7]

According to wiki he’s scored 8 premier league goals in his career, if there gonna break the bank for him, good huge downgrade on the lad simms IMO

Exactly. Hes an utter donkey.

[Coco Bryce]

Jambos after shankland. Surely they'll not have the cash for that

He's pish.

[Ronniekirk]

Is there any chance we could nip in and take him on loan for a year?

He looks like exactly what we’ve been crying out for for years imo.

I’m sure my mate told me that Jack Ross had mentioned in commentary that he’d tried to get him to Hibs at one point, but it fell through due to him being injured?

No chance hearts are in Europe so he could opt to stay with them But think he is destined for a bigger club given his recent performances


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[Haymaker]

Griffiths.

[SMAXXA]

Would he cost anything?

Na I’m sure he would play for free just to play for the famous 😂🙈

[Unseen work]

Managerless Hibs want David Marshall…

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8785919/scotland-hero-david-marshall-premiership-return/

[JamesHFC]

Managerless Hibs want David Marshall…

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8785919/scotland-hero-david-marshall-premiership-return/

Apparently it’s as good as done? So I heard anyway.

[04Sauzee]

Managerless Hibs want David Marshall…

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8785919/scotland-hero-david-marshall-premiership-return/

Alan Nixon normally pretty reliable as well I think .

[Brightside]

A rudderless ship.

[Unseen work]

Apparently it’s as good as done? So I heard anyway.


Hope so, would be a terrific signing imo and a quality one at that.

I actually quite like Macey and think he gets a tough time of it but Hearts have shown with Gordon this season what a difference a top drawer keeper can make.

[Vault Boy]

Would be pleased to have Marshall in. Vastly experienced, good professional, and would be our best keeper despite his age.

[bingo70]

Apparently it’s as good as done? So I heard anyway.

Just a coincidence that we’re signing him just as his current manager becomes available and is being linked with us? (Well, sort of linked with us, I think Graham Spiers is touting him for the job)

Warburtons first signing maybe?

[Stuart93]

A rudderless ship.

He’d be a great signing. Vast improvement in macey

[J-C]

Just a coincidence that we’re signing him just as his current manager becomes available and is being linked with us? (Well, sort of linked with us, I think Graham Spiers is touting him for the job)

Warburtons first signing maybe?


Would you take Warburton?

[bingo70]

Would you take Warburton?

Yes, I think if we can look past his Rangers background he’d be an excellent choice.

Apart from having an exotic name, he ticks nearly every box IMO.

[Heisenberg]

Just a coincidence that we’re signing him just as his current manager becomes available and is being linked with us? (Well, sort of linked with us, I think Graham Spiers is touting him for the job)

Warburtons first signing maybe?

I’m guessing Maloney had him lined up to come in next season. They’ll have known each other quite well.

[Libby Hibby]

Yes, I think if we can look past his Rangers background he’d be an excellent choice.

Apart from having an exotic name, he ticks nearly every box IMO.

I don’t think some will be able to look past his Sevco connections.

That being said, whilst not totally against him, he doesn’t get me excited, I think it’s to do with him not achieving / winning too much.

[J-C]

Yes, I think if we can look past his Rangers background he’d be an excellent choice.

Apart from having an exotic name, he ticks nearly every box IMO.


I can certainly look past his Rangers stewardship, a decent track record with Brentford and Forest but not great this season at QPR, can he take us forward to where the owner wants us to be?

[Brightside]

He’d be a great signing. Vast improvement in macey

Based on a game you saw him play 2 years ago?

[bigwheel]

Would you take Warburton?

No. Underachiever everywhere he has managed and a smarmy prick

[Del Boy]

Would Tam Courts be worth considering? Got a United team with a pretty average squad up to 4th, brought through a number of young players, not a racist homophobe. Could be just what we need.

[Since452]

Would Tam Courts be worth considering? Got a United team with a pretty average squad up to 4th, brought through a number of young players, not a racist homophobe. Could be just what we need.

United fans at work don't like him at all.

[Ozyhibby]

Would be pleased to have Marshall in. Vastly experienced, good professional, and would be our best keeper despite his age.

Difficult to say. There comes a time in every players career when it’s just a season too far. It’s happening to McGregor at Sevco this year. Maybe it will be Gordon next year? And if Marshall hasn’t been playing well for his club then maybe it’s him now?
It’s a gamble and just because it worked for Hearts with Gordon doesn’t mean it does for us.


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[CorrieHibs]

Based on a game you saw him play 2 years ago?

Marshall was playing for QPR until earlier this month when he picked up an injury that ruled him out for the season.

[Ronniekirk]

No. Underachiever everywhere he has managed and a smarmy prick

Or as the song goes
Warburtons a Fanny


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[Mcbizz1998]

Marshall is exactly what we need. An experienced leader and something to build on from the back. Oh and a great keeper!

Macey is a huge reason for the slump this season. He just isn’t good enough and nobody in front of him looks like they have. confidence in him.

[JohnM1875]

Marshall is exactly what we need. An experienced leader and something to build on from the back. Oh and a great keeper!

Macey is a huge reason for the slump this season. He just isn’t good enough and nobody in front of him looks like they have. confidence in him.

Absolutely sign Marshall if we can. Would obviously mean moving on Macey or Dabrowski, preferably Macey seeing as Dabrowski is younger.

[SteveHFC]

Apparently it’s as good as done? So I heard anyway.

Macey must be going.

[Billy Whizz]

Absolutely sign Marshall if we can. Would obviously mean moving on Macey or Dabrowski, preferably Macey seeing as Dabrowski is younger.

Is he a Maloney signing😳

[Bostonhibby]

No. Underachiever everywhere he has managed and a smarmy prickAye, but we put an awful lot of effort into stuff that isn't the team on the pitch these days so he might be worth a gamble if he brings his bagels with him.

Otherwise dont want him anywhere near ER, and wouldn't he be scared to come after he and everyone of his players were assaulted to within an inch of their lives by marauding Hibs fans.

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[Crab apple]

I’m guessing Maloney had him lined up to come in next season. They’ll have known each other quite well.

I think that's pretty accurate.

[500miles]

Marshall, Bannan and Fletch. 3 experienced players who have done it at a good level and internationally to compliment a lot of young talented (in my opinion) players who are overwhelmed as soon as they get into the opposition half.

[Inconsequential]

Marshall is exactly what we need. An experienced leader and something to build on from the back. Oh and a great keeper!

Macey is a huge reason for the slump this season. He just isn’t good enough and nobody in front of him looks like they have. confidence in him. I think it's Macey that doesn't have confidence in the defence what with stupid suspensions, injuries, poor form etc. The defence is poor without question. Just my opinion so there you are.

[500miles]

I think it's Macey that doesn't have confidence in the defence what with stupid suspensions, injuries, poor form etc. The defence is poor without question. Just my opinion so there you are.

Our goals against column disagrees.

[OldEast]

I think it's Macey that doesn't have confidence in the defence what with stupid suspensions, injuries, poor form etc. The defence is poor without question. Just my opinion so there you are.

One I agree with.

[matty_f]

Other teams get injuries...Doidge was injured in August, and as usual we had/have no depth to the squad to cover his absence and have to recast the team, either playing Nisbet as a lone striker or playing the likes of Gullan sporadically.

It's the same movie as we watched under Petrie, sell our top player, bring in nowhere near any quality to replace them, and then sign a couple of cheap loan players and think that'll appease the fans.

It's not good enough, and what compounds it is the owner's laddie now fulfils a role as "Head of Recruitment" whose input is still ill-defined, yet we've not to question that either?

is it such a big step to expect to sign players that go straight into the first team, or is that too much to ask?

When was Petrie spending a reported £400k on a striker after spending six figures on other players?

Can debate how well the money has been spent, but the idea that the owner and the club are looking for cheap options doesn’t stand up.

[hibee-boys]

Marshall is exactly what we need. An experienced leader and something to build on from the back. Oh and a great keeper!

Macey is a huge reason for the slump this season. He just isn’t good enough and nobody in front of him looks like they have. confidence in him.

A huge reason? Really? I do not understand the stick he gets, he’s far more comfortable coming for cross balls than our most recent keepers, something the majority of us have been shouting about for long enough. I can’t recall many, if any, clear errors of his that have led to goals. Granted, his distribution can be poor but it’s on par with how bad Ricky’s was. Goalkeeping has been the least of our troubles this year, to say it’s a huge reason is utter nonsense.

[Mcbizz1998]

A huge reason? Really? I do not understand the stick he gets, he’s far more comfortable coming for cross balls than our most recent keepers, something the majority of us have been shouting about for long enough. I can’t recall many, if any, clear errors of his that have led to goals. Granted, his distribution can be poor but it’s on par with how bad Ricky’s was. Goalkeeping has been the least of our troubles this year, to say it’s a huge reason is utter nonsense.

He is humpty.

Look at Celtic last season, crap keeper = crap team. The keeper is hugely important and the fact we have an awful one has a massive impact on the team.

Rocky was head and shoulders better than Macey, in almost every way. Macey is reasonable at crosses but mainly because he is 7ft tall - other than that he is just another Mark Oxley and I’m fed up of pretending he is even close to good enough for Hibs. Get rid.

[ancient hibee]

Marshall was playing for QPR until earlier this month when he picked up an injury that ruled him out for the season.

Sounds ideal. Fits right into the carrying a long term injury mould.

[ahibby]

Sounds ideal. Fits right into the carrying a long term injury mould.

Chapman at Gillingham might be worth looking at.

[Inconsequential]

Our goals against column disagrees. On the contrary does it not confirm what I'm saying? There's always one.

[Inconsequential]

A huge reason? Really? I do not understand the stick he gets, he’s far more comfortable coming for cross balls than our most recent keepers, something the majority of us have been shouting about for long enough. I can’t recall many, if any, clear errors of his that have led to goals. Granted, his distribution can be poor but it’s on par with how bad Ricky’s was. Goalkeeping has been the least of our troubles this year, to say it’s a huge reason is utter nonsense. Totally agree with your assessment. :agree:

[B.H.F.C]

A huge reason? Really? I do not understand the stick he gets, he’s far more comfortable coming for cross balls than our most recent keepers, something the majority of us have been shouting about for long enough. I can’t recall many, if any, clear errors of his that have led to goals. Granted, his distribution can be poor but it’s on par with how bad Ricky’s was. Goalkeeping has been the least of our troubles this year, to say it’s a huge reason is utter nonsense.

Agree Macey doesn’t make very many notable mistakes but he doesn’t make many notable saves either. Even yesterday, he managed to dive in completely the opposite direction of the ball. He couldn’t have done More to get out the way of it if he tried.

We need to upgrade that position in the summer and get someone who might occasionally gain us some points with their performance.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Marshall is exactly what we need. An experienced leader and something to build on from the back. Oh and a great keeper!

Macey is a huge reason for the slump this season. He just isn’t good enough and nobody in front of him looks like they have. confidence in him.


Our major downfall this season is in final third of the pitch and not the first. If we were only allowed to sign one player in the close season and the choice was a striker or a keeper, I know what I would choose.

[04Sauzee]

Our major downfall this season is in final third of the pitch and not the first. If we were only allowed to sign one player in the close season and the choice was a striker or a keeper, I know what I would choose.

But we won't ,and we should be looking to improve all positions. If a keeper becomes available who many think is better than we currently have then we shouldn't say no because we need players up top .

[Scotty Leither]

Our CEO described the January transfer business we did as "7/10".

He's either deluded, or taking the p1ss, one of the two.

I'd hate to see a 5/10 window this summer, but I expect to be underwhelmed.

[McD]

But we won't ,and we should be looking to improve all positions. If a keeper becomes available who many think is better than we currently have then we shouldn't say no because we need players up top .


broadly, yes, but there is only a finite amount of money to spend. Therefore, we need to prioritise certain positions before others. Goal scorers, centre mid, centre half (between mcgregors likely retirement and the possible departure of porteous) are where we'll most likely be focusing most of our attention

[04Sauzee]

broadly, yes, but there is only a finite amount of money to spend. Therefore, we need to prioritise certain positions before others. Goal scorers, centre mid, centre half (between mcgregors likely retirement and the possible departure of porteous) are where we'll most likely be focusing most of our attention
I absolutely agree , just saying it's not one or the other. Still expect Porteous and maybe Doig to be sold so there will be a bit of rebuilding to do.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

But we won't ,and we should be looking to improve all positions. If a keeper becomes available who many think is better than we currently have then we shouldn't say no because we need players up top .


Would agree with that. I guess the point that I am making is that where Hibs nil was a repeated scoreline, and no shots on target week in and week out,I wouldn't say that the major reason for a disappointing season is the goalie.

[04Sauzee]

Would agree with that. I guess the point that I am making is that where Hibs nil was a repeated scoreline, and no shots on target week in and week out,I wouldn't say that the major reason for a disappointing season is the goalie.

Point taken , whatever happens it's going to be a busy summer me thinks.

[georgieboy]

Would Hibs ever take a risk and spend much more than before on a few new experienced players? Have we ever splashed out £1m + on anybody? Was De La Cruz our most expensive buy to date?
"Speculate to accumulate" !!

[SHODAN]

It wouldn't suprise me if we broke our transfer fee record this summer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Agree Macey doesn’t make very many notable mistakes but he doesn’t make many notable saves either. Even yesterday, he managed to dive in completely the opposite direction of the ball. He couldn’t have done More to get out the way of it if he tried.

We need to upgrade that position in the summer and get someone who might occasionally gain us some points with their performance.

:agree:

[LeithMike]

Would Hibs ever take a risk and spend much more than before on a few new experienced players? Have we ever splashed out £1m + on anybody? Was De La Cruz our most expensive buy to date?
"Speculate to accumulate" !!Normally I'd be in favour of speculate to accumulate but not with the individuals running the club at the moment. Remember how much Hearts wasted when they had money but poor leadership?

And who is going to pay for it? Will RG be putting in his own cash to back his judgment or will he saddle the club with debt? Americans owners have tended towards the latter which could leave us in a right mess.

There are some early warning signs for us as a support.


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[Mcbizz1998]

Our major downfall this season is in final third of the pitch and not the first. If we were only allowed to sign one player in the close season and the choice was a striker or a keeper, I know what I would choose.

Well, yeah I agree but we can have both. And we 100% need a better keeper.

[Lago]

I think that's pretty accurate.
Not convinced, believe it if and when it happens.

[Gmack7]

Normally I'd be in favour of speculate to accumulate but not with the individuals running the club at the moment. Remember how much Hearts wasted when they had money but poor leadership?

And who is going to pay for it? Will RG be putting in his own cash to back his judgment or will he saddle the club with debt? Americans owners have tended towards the latter which could leave us in a right mess.

There are some early warning signs for us as a support.


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We must have a considerable wedge left from the Boyle fee

[matty_f]

Our CEO described the January transfer business we did as "7/10".

He's either deluded, or taking the p1ss, one of the two.

I'd hate to see a 5/10 window this summer, but I expect to be underwhelmed.

That was right at the end of the window, I wonder if - in hindsight - he’d score it the same.

I do have some sympathy though - losing Nisbet and Doidge, and Magennis (who was back involved with training and about to return) and then having Porteous get suspended for four games, put us in a much worse position than we’d have been otherwise. See also Harry Clarke and Mitchell getting injured as well.

[007]

Macey must be going.

Article below says he's being offered to clubs in England.

I'd be happy if we got Marshall.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/scottish-premiership-side-targeting-deal-for-37-year-old-qpr-man/

[500miles]

Would Hibs ever take a risk and spend much more than before on a few new experienced players? Have we ever splashed out £1m + on anybody? Was De La Cruz our most expensive buy to date?
"Speculate to accumulate" !!

How's that going with Nisbet and Melkersen?

[500miles]

On the contrary does it not confirm what I'm saying? There's always one.

No, our goals against this season is 4th best in the league, last season it's 3rd. The defence is the same, its the keeper that's changed.

The defence is not a problem. Macey isn't a particular problem - but I'd replace him before any of McGinn, Porto or Hanlon.

[NC1875]

I can certainly look past his Rangers stewardship, a decent track record with Brentford and Forest but not great this season at QPR, can he take us forward to where the owner wants us to be?

One of the smallest budgets in the championship this season. They were in the playoff spots not so long ago, have fell away a bit but 9 points off sheff utd in 6th. I wouldn’t describe it as not great.

[brog]

Let me see, only the top 3 conceded less goals than us and Hearts, with the exceptional Craig Gordon, are only 3 goals better. Meanwhile only the bottom 3 scored less than us but people on here think our keeper is our problem!

[Mick O'Rourke]

Let me see, only the top 3 conceded less goals than us and Hearts, with the exceptional Craig Gordon, are only 3 goals better. Meanwhile only the bottom 3 scored less than us but people on here think our keeper is our problem!


:top marks

Roll on next season !!

[B.H.F.C]

Let me see, only the top 3 conceded less goals than us and Hearts, with the exceptional Craig Gordon, are only 3 goals better. Meanwhile only the bottom 3 scored less than us but people on here think our keeper is our problem!

We play so negatively that Macey rarely has much to do. Or the defence for that matter. Pretty sure Macey is at the lower end of the scale for actually saving shots he does actually face. The lack of any attack minded players in the team helps us defensively. There isn’t any area of our team that is good at the moment IMO.

[500miles]

We play so negatively that Macey rarely has much to do. Or the defence for that matter. Pretty sure Macey is at the lower end of the scale for actually saving shots he does actually face. The lack of any attack minded players in the team helps us defensively. There isn’t any area of our team that is good at the moment IMO.

The only reason we don't lose many goals is because we're actually rubbish.

What. A. Laugh.

[B.H.F.C]

The only reason we don't lose many goals is because we're actually rubbish.

What. A. Laugh.

You don’t think the way we set up, with a team full of defensive minded players, helps us defensively? We must have the most protected defence in the league, which we wouldn’t have if we actually had any attack minded players in the team.

[Inconsequential]

No, our goals against this season is 4th best in the league, last season it's 3rd. The defence is the same, its the keeper that's changed.

The defence is not a problem. Macey isn't a particular problem - but I'd replace him before any of McGinn, Porto or Hanlon. Sorry, have to agree to disagree. The defence has hardly been the same back four two weeks running. How many games has Porteous missed due to suspension? McGinn has been out injured as well as Hanlon, Clarke, Stevenson has played as a centre back then midfield much the same as Doig. Bushiri came in didn't look fit now on the bench. Don't really get what your complaining about if the goals against is now the 4th best compared to last season which was the best season the side had in years.

[Northernhibee]

You don’t think the way we set up, with a team full of defensive minded players, helps us defensively? We must have the most protected defence in the league, which we wouldn’t have if we actually had any attack minded players in the team.

Yep. Maloney was apparently finding positives in a 0-0 display against Dundee which was followed by another 0-0 against St Johnstone. For some weird reason he decided to be animated by that but not the former. No wonder nobody knows to seem to know what is expected of them.

I’d expect our goals conceded to be really, really low.

[Inconsequential]

Let me see, only the top 3 conceded less goals than us and Hearts, with the exceptional Craig Gordon, are only 3 goals better. Meanwhile only the bottom 3 scored less than us but people on here think our keeper is our problem! It's all rather bizarre Brog!

[brog]

It's all rather bizarre Brog!

Sure is!

[SHODAN]

Let me see, only the top 3 conceded less goals than us and Hearts, with the exceptional Craig Gordon, are only 3 goals better. Meanwhile only the bottom 3 scored less than us but people on here think our keeper is our problem!

This is a great point but it doesn't excuse the fact that we have conceded some terrible goals this season.

[HFC93]

Let me see, only the top 3 conceded less goals than us and Hearts, with the exceptional Craig Gordon, are only 3 goals better. Meanwhile only the bottom 3 scored less than us but people on here think our keeper is our problem!

Your facts don't fit the narrative of some on here that Macey is abysmal which he's not.

[Coach Jon]

The reason the GA stat looks ok is because our back line defence is so 5hit that we have to play with a MF made up of defenders; Newell, JDH, Campbell, Doig,Stevenson, Cadden. Dont look at Stats, they are misleading, look at the players on the park.

[04Sauzee]

The reason the GA stat looks ok is because our back line defence is so 5hit that we have to play with a MF made up of defenders; Newell, JDH, Campbell, Doig,Stevenson, Cadden. Dont look at Stats, they are misleading, look at the players on the park.

Newell and JDH are defenders? Didn't realise that.

[Unseen work]

Must say I find it odd if we’re offering our current number 1 to clubs and signings his replacement who is in his late 30s when we don’t have a manager.

[JohnM1875]

Must say I find it odd if we’re offering our current number 1 to clubs and signings his replacement who is in his late 30s when we don’t have a manager.

What about us for the past year or so hasn't been odd?

[Hibernian Verse]

The reason the GA stat looks ok is because our back line defence is so 5hit that we have to play with a MF made up of defenders; Newell, JDH, Campbell, Doig,Stevenson, Cadden. Dont look at Stats, they are misleading, look at the players on the park.

The don’t look at stats argument is mental.

[JohnM1875]

The don’t look at stats argument is mental.

Aye and no for me. I think far too much is based on stats now.

[ancient hibee]

Let me see, only the top 3 conceded less goals than us and Hearts, with the exceptional Craig Gordon, are only 3 goals better. Meanwhile only the bottom 3 scored less than us but people on here think our keeper is our problem!

And Gordon has needed to be exceptional because his defence is hopeless,wide open and he needs to make worldies.

I’m surprised that so many on here don’t realise that in modern football defence starts with your front player’s. We must have more dyed in the wool traditional supporters rooted in the past on the way teams are set up than I realised.:greengrin

[Smartie]

Our CEO described the January transfer business we did as "7/10".

He's either deluded, or taking the p1ss, one of the two.

I'd hate to see a 5/10 window this summer, but I expect to be underwhelmed.

I thought the January transfer window was decent enough.

The injuries and suspensions since then have clobbered us, as well as having an experimental project in as manager.

The biggest criticism of the January transfer window was that it didn’t do enough to correct the horrific window last summer, but that was going to be a huge ask.

Last summer - I’d like to see anyone justify a mark higher than 1 or 2 out of 10, the positives being some acceptable performances from JDH.

[Smartie]

The don’t look at stats argument is mental.

Stats must be taken with context and a subjective analysis of watching football being played on a park.

One or the other taken in isolation doesn’t work.

[brog]

It's strange, about the only time I've seen concensus on here was at last transfer window when it was agreed a defensive midfielder was a priority. Now it appears we've had a whole clutch of them all season!

[Mick O'Rourke]

It's strange, about the only time I've seen concensus on here was at last transfer window when it was agreed a defensive midfielder was a priority. Now it appears we've had a whole clutch of them all season!
You got it, Brian
Sure are a number of fickle fans as well as the maroon interlopers here today.
A few on today spouting "Ron must go"
Hurry Hibs and appoint a manager so we can have a "no happy wae him" thread !

So much more fun and relaxed debating all things Hibs in the pub after games.
Damn the internet and social meeja :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

It's strange, about the only time I've seen concensus on here was at last transfer window when it was agreed a defensive midfielder was a priority. Now it appears we've had a whole clutch of them all season!

Don’t really see what’s strange. A midfielder was a priority because the ones we have aren’t very good and don’t offer enough. That wasn’t addressed, as we know, so we still need one now.

[brog]

Don’t really see what’s strange. A midfielder was a priority because the ones we have aren’t very good and don’t offer enough. That wasn’t addressed, as we know, so we still need one now.

It's strange when posters describe Cadden, Doig and Newell as defensive midfielders.

[B.H.F.C]

It's strange when posters describe Cadden, Doig and Newell as defensive midfielders.

Might have missed those posts, but I’ve not seen Doig/Cadden described as defensive midfielders. I don’t think you can really describe Newell as anything else though unless I’ve missed loads of attacking contributions from him this season.

[GreenCastle]

Newell came to Hibs as a left winger. He’s ended up trying to play centre midfield as he struggled out wide.

[The Tubs]

The most recurring pattern I’ve seen from Hibs this season is the midfield win the ball, ball is played to the forwards, ball is lost, midfield needs to win it again.

I’ve not got a clue about how you fix this, but I think it’s most probably the responsibility of our forwards and their coaching to do something about it.

[brog]

You got it, Brian
Sure are a number of fickle fans as well as the maroon interlopers here today.
A few on today spouting "Ron must go"
Hurry Hibs and appoint a manager so we can have a "no happy wae him" thread !

So much more fun and relaxed debating all things Hibs in the pub after games.
Damn the internet and social meeja :greengrin

Couldn't agree more Mick. It's the continual anger I don't understand, Hibs supporters calling our players imposters and wage thieves and our owner Ron TC only plays into the hands of our rivals. The constant denigration of our club and our players on here wearies me so much. PS, before the usual suspects come on and accuse me of accepting mediocrity and stifling criticism I should say I completely agree with much of the criticism. I would prefer however that criticism is coherent, factual and non abusive. There's a chance then of a positive response to positive criticism.

[bigwheel]

Newell came to Hibs as a left winger. He’s ended up trying to play centre midfield as he struggled out wide.

No he didn’t..he had never played out wide before…Hecky tried him out there..he has spoken openly about this..was always a central midfielder…


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[JimBHibees]

No he didn’t..he had never played out wide before…Hecky tried him out there..he has spoken openly about this..was always a central midfielder…


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Don't think that is true sure I saw him playing wide for Rotherham in a TV game. Think he preferred central

[JimBHibees]

Couldn't agree more Mick. It's the continual anger I don't understand, Hibs supporters calling our players imposters and wage thieves and our owner Ron TC only plays into the hands of our rivals. The constant denigration of our club and our players on here wearies me so much. PS, before the usual suspects come on and accuse me of accepting mediocrity and stifling criticism I should say I completely agree with much of the criticism. I would prefer however that criticism is coherent, factual and non abusive. There's a chance then of a positive response to positive criticism.

Totally agree seems a bit of a campaign of negativity at the club.

[B.H.F.C]

Don't think that is true sure I saw him playing wide for Rotherham in a TV game. Think he preferred central

Newell was a wide player when we signed him, that’s where he’d played most of his games before he came here. He’s spoken before about having always wanted to play more centrally.

[Unseen work]

Conor McGrandles partner has moved back up to Scotland.

A player we have been linked heavily with the past two windows and is out of contract in the summer.

[Smartie]

I can understand why folk are being negative - the team is pish and our season effectively ended with a couple of derby defeats a few weeks back.

This season can’t end quickly enough.

A wee break, a decent appointment as manager, a few interesting additions to the playing staff and folk will be positive again. None of these things are impossible.

These last few games and all that surrounds them will just need to be endured though.

[JimBHibees]

Newell and JDH are defenders? Didn't realise that.

Would also say Cadden Doig and Campbell are better going forward also.

[JimBHibees]

Newell was a wide player when we signed him, that’s where he’d played most of his games before he came here. He’s spoken before about having always wanted to play more centrally.

Yes that is what I thought. Think I heard him say Hecky promised he would play him central here which never really happened

[IberianHibernian]

A huge reason? Really? I do not understand the stick he gets, he’s far more comfortable coming for cross balls than our most recent keepers, something the majority of us have been shouting about for long enough. I can’t recall many, if any, clear errors of his that have led to goals. Granted, his distribution can be poor but it’s on par with how bad Ricky’s was. Goalkeeping has been the least of our troubles this year, to say it’s a huge reason is utter nonsense.Agree with this . It`s been a disappointing season but one of the few positives has been the performances of both goalies . last season , Macey was about only player who performed well in cup final . Marshall might be a good signing for us but don`t think goalie is our priority now . And both goalies we have are still very young plus highly rated Under 18 one .

[bigwheel]

Yes that is what I thought. Think I heard him say Hecky promised he would play him central here which never really happened

He had played a lot of games wide, but the reason he signed was to play more centrally. Has always been his preferred position…he turned clubs down because the wanted him as a winger. Had to fill in wide initially when He came up here, as Boyle got injured for a while.


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[IberianHibernian]

Couldn't agree more Mick. It's the continual anger I don't understand, Hibs supporters calling our players imposters and wage thieves and our owner Ron TC only plays into the hands of our rivals. The constant denigration of our club and our players on here wearies me so much. PS, before the usual suspects come on and accuse me of accepting mediocrity and stifling criticism I should say I completely agree with much of the criticism. I would prefer however that criticism is coherent, factual and non abusive. There's a chance then of a positive response to positive criticism.Excellent post .

[brog]

[QUOTE=bigwheel;6944505]He had played a lot of games wide, but the reason he signed was to play more centrally. Has always been his preferred position…he turned clubs down because the wanted him as a winger. Had to fill in wide initially when He came up here, as Boyle got injured for a while.


Which is it, he had played a lot of games out wide or he had never played wide before?

[bigwheel]

[QUOTE=bigwheel;6944505]He had played a lot of games wide, but the reason he signed was to play more centrally. Has always been his preferred position…he turned clubs down because the wanted him as a winger. Had to fill in wide initially when He came up here, as Boyle got injured for a while.


Which is it, he had played a lot of games out wide or he had never played wide before?

Don’t think I’ve ever said he has never played there. My point on my original reply was ..he wasn’t signed as a winger…explicitly signed because it wasn’t the plan to play him there. He’s spoken a number of times on this. Hecky used him there, but was never his favoured position.


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[B.H.F.C]

[QUOTE=brog;6944515]

Don’t think I’ve ever said he has never played there. My point on my original reply was ..he wasn’t signed as a winger…explicitly signed because it wasn’t the plan to play him there. He’s spoken a number of times on this. Hecky used him there, but was never his favoured position.


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“No he didn’t..he had never played out wide before”

[brog]

[QUOTE=bigwheel;6944519][QUOTE=brog;6944515]

Don’t think I’ve ever said he has never played there. My point on my original reply was ..he wasn’t signed as a winger…explicitly signed because it wasn’t the plan to play him there. He’s spoken a number of times on this. Hecky used him there, but was never his favoured position.


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You mean apart from your post of 41 minutes ago when you said he had never played out wide before? Don't mean to dump on you, apologies.

[bigwheel]

[QUOTE=bigwheel;6944519][QUOTE=brog;6944515]

Don’t think I’ve ever said he has never played there. My point on my original reply was ..he wasn’t signed as a winger…explicitly signed because it wasn’t the plan to play him there. He’s spoken a number of times on this. Hecky used him there, but was never his favoured position.


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You mean apart from your post of 41 minutes ago when you said he had never played out wide before? Don't mean to dump on you, apologies.

Yep, fair dos….that post was wrong…typing too fast…wasn’t the point I meant to make…was reacting to the “signed as a winger “ point..


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[Inconsequential]

No he didn’t..he had never played out wide before…Hecky tried him out there..he has spoken openly about this..was always a central midfielder…


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Correct! Newall was I believe an attacking midfielder and as you say Heckingbottom played him as a winger where many pointed out he was poor. Was it not Jack Ross that started playing him further back? Has good feet but can't tackle properly and gives away too many fouls and gets sent off. I think he would be better further forward but then he can't shoot either!

[OldEast]

Couldn't agree more Mick. It's the continual anger I don't understand, Hibs supporters calling our players imposters and wage thieves and our owner Ron TC only plays into the hands of our rivals. The constant denigration of our club and our players on here wearies me so much. PS, before the usual suspects come on and accuse me of accepting mediocrity and stifling criticism I should say I completely agree with much of the criticism. I would prefer however that criticism is coherent, factual and non abusive. There's a chance then of a positive response to positive criticism.

It's the online equivalent of 2 guys at the match screaming abuse for 90 minutes versus 2 guys a few rows down pretty upset at what they're seeing then going to the pub for a wee moan.

[GreenCastle]

[QUOTE=brog;6944526][QUOTE=bigwheel;6944519]

Yep, fair dos….that post was wrong…typing too fast…wasn’t the point I meant to make…was reacting to the “signed as a winger “ point..


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I wrote “came to Hibs as a left winger”.

Didn’t post he was signed as a left winger.

In his Rotherham days you can see some decent goals here - he’s further forward and often comes off left hand side and sometimes more centrally.

https://youtu.be/x0b176AbjBE

You do wonder why he doesn’t score more goals.m as he’s technically very good.

[brog]

Might have missed those posts, but I’ve not seen Doig/Cadden described as defensive midfielders. I don’t think you can really describe Newell as anything else though unless I’ve missed loads of attacking contributions from him this season.

It was a post from 2 hours earlier and I was being kind. The poster described all 3 as defenders playing in midfield.

[Greenworld]

[QUOTE=bigwheel;6944532][QUOTE=brog;6944526]


I wrote “came to Hibs as a left winger”.

Didn’t post he was signed as a left winger.

In his Rotherham days you can see some decent goals here - he’s further forward and often comes off left hand side and sometimes more centrally.

https://youtu.be/x0b176AbjBE

You do wonder why he doesn’t score more goals.m as he’s technically very good.Christ another player being played out of position playing in attack in all these clips

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[Chorley Hibee]

[QUOTE=GreenCastle;6944603][QUOTE=bigwheel;6944532]Christ another player being played out of position playing in attack in all these clips

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Agreed, that video bares no resemblance to the Joe Newell currently at Easter Road.

[Smartie]

I’ve always been surprised a bit disappointed when Newell has got into scoring positions for us, as you feel he does / should have the technical ability to do better.

His set pieces have generally impressed me.

[Mainstandman]

Couple of points, he basically stopped scoring when he came to us. He has previously used his right foot and was that father Ted in the crowd near the end

[Winston Ingram]

I’ve always been surprised a bit disappointed when Newell has got into scoring positions for us, as you feel he does / should have the technical ability to do better.

His set pieces have generally impressed me.

Tbf to him, I think he's been played as a sitting midfielder these days.

[Broken Gnome]

I’ve always been surprised a bit disappointed when Newell has got into scoring positions for us, as you feel he does / should have the technical ability to do better.

His set pieces have generally impressed me.

Always thought he got off a bit lightly for the last minute chance in the Celtic final. Free hit on his good foot, Hart only had to make a pretty routine save when Newell should really have done better.

[Inconsequential]

Tbf to him, I think he's been played as a sitting midfielder these days. Yes he is as I previously mentioned. A sitting midfielder that can't tackle and usually results in a foul. He should be an attacker as at his previous club.

[MWHIBBIES]

Always thought he got off a bit lightly for the last minute chance in the Celtic final. Free hit on his good foot, Hart only had to make a pretty routine save when Newell should really have done better.

"got off lightly" what do you think should've happened? Dogs abuse?

[keep the faith]

Couldn't agree more Mick. It's the continual anger I don't understand, Hibs supporters calling our players imposters and wage thieves and our owner Ron TC only plays into the hands of our rivals. The constant denigration of our club and our players on here wearies me so much. PS, before the usual suspects come on and accuse me of accepting mediocrity and stifling criticism I should say I completely agree with much of the criticism. I would prefer however that criticism is coherent, factual and non abusive. There's a chance then of a positive response to positive criticism.

So glad you raised this. I have never known it like this. There is a new breed of message board/twitter posters who are doing huge damage to our club. In the last week alone I have seem pack style hounding of a Norwegian twitter dude who started folloing hibs (he seemed to take it badly but the hounding was still not cool), tweets having a go at Tam McManus (someone who promotes our club endlessly) disgusting comments and hate around Joe Newall (a good guy who cares about our club), hate on the owner, slating potential managers whenever they are linked.

It's been an awful season but this slate the club and be angry mentality is not going to win us games, motivate the players, attract decent managers, encourage our owner to invest more etc.

Seriously young team, ease up and back our club. Criticise by all means but this pack hunting is making things way, way worse.

[Broken Gnome]

"got off lightly" what do you think should've happened? Dogs abuse?

A mob to cut his beautiful hair off at the very least.

Just don't seem to recall much reaction to it. It's a discussion about how he doesn't contribute enough goals when he's clearly capable - I'd have thought he was above 'did well to hit the target' analysis, when really he should've been getting us into extra time or forcing Hart into something a lot more challenging.

[Smartie]

A mob to cut his beautiful hair off at the very least.

Just don't seem to recall much reaction to it. It's a discussion about how he doesn't contribute enough goals when he's clearly capable - I'd have thought he was above 'did well to hit the target' analysis, when really he should've been getting us into extra time or forcing Hart into something a lot more challenging.

Jamie Murphy has taken enough criticism for missing a similar chance against St Johnstone at Hampden.

As you say, funny that one seems to be glossed over whilst the other was used to knock a player fairly frequently.

Maybe because our expectations were different regarding getting a result in the St Johnstone game vs the Celtic game - even if the chances were of almost identical difficulty?

[Broken Gnome]

Jamie Murphy has taken enough criticism for missing a similar chance against St Johnstone at Hampden.

As you say, funny that one seems to be glossed over whilst the other was used to knock a player fairly frequently.

Maybe because our expectations were different regarding getting a result in the St Johnstone game vs the Celtic game - even if the chances were of almost identical difficulty?

Don't know, different pressures, different stages of the game, 50,000 there in one case against an empty stadium...

Wider point is that we need better. People are fast turning against the idea we have a good squad - the majority are probably alright players in their own right yet we're horribly imbalanced and no one has any sort of spark to take the heat off the others.

The main problem we see every week is that every single one of them doesn't do enough. There's been so few proper 8/9/10 performances from our players of late, particularly since Boyle left. We can't keep watching players that rarely pass the heights of decent yet hardly ever influential. Newell's probably a prime example of that - I do like him, but how patient can you be with someone who is in such a key part of the team yet doesn't help win games?

[w pilton hibby]

SWINDON TOWN BOSS BEN GARNER HAILS HARRY MCKIRDY WITH HIBERNIAN LINKED WITH SUMMER SWOOP

https://the72.co.uk/272032/fantastic-team-player-swindon-town-boss-ben-garner-hails-harry-mckirdy-with-hibernian-linked-with-summer-swoop/

[Northernhibee]

SWINDON TOWN BOSS BEN GARNER HAILS HARRY MCKIRDY WITH HIBERNIAN LINKED WITH SUMMER SWOOP

https://the72.co.uk/272032/fantastic-team-player-swindon-town-boss-ben-garner-hails-harry-mckirdy-with-hibernian-linked-with-summer-swoop/

Interesting one. Seems highly rated and the sort of player we're missing but another League Two signing? At 25 years old, not for me.

[angus hibby]

Interesting one. Seems highly rated and the sort of player we're missing but another League Two signing? At 25 years old, not for me.

From what I’ve seen/read about him, think he’d be a very good signing. Scores goals, works his socks off, bit of character about him .

[J-C]

Correct! Newall was I believe an attacking midfielder and as you say Heckingbottom played him as a winger where many pointed out he was poor. Was it not Jack Ross that started playing him further back? Has good feet but can't tackle properly and gives away too many fouls and gets sent off. I think he would be better further forward but then he can't shoot either!


And the reason no one played Allan deeper because he's not great defensively, when Allan played deeper he always got yellow carded, like Newell.

[itslegaltender]

Reference Newell's position, he himself said on Graham Spiers Podcast that he believes his best position is centre midfield.