Summer 2022-23 transfer thread

[Iain G]

may be a lack quality signing sauces but the puns top-notch today!

My sincere condiments to everyone!

[weecounty hibby]

Who's your sauce?

Karl Heinz Rumourmonger. Oldies will get that

[green with envy]

The poster that said it seemed to be going from a direct conversation he had with LJ.

Not a conversation as such. LJ quoted this to all in attendance.

[Jones28]

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Mayonnaise_%281%29.jpg


Leave the door ajar on your way out please.

[GloryGlory]

Who's your sauce?

Someone from near Ron's neck of the woods - think he said he was from chili!

[04Sauzee]

That's pretty worrying to be honest. Squad is nowhere near good enough and if we are waiting on others moving out first it doesn't suggest there's much budget left.

Don't think it's the budget it's about balancing the squad.

[Unseen work]

Aberdeen sign Bojan Miovski from MTK Budapest

Apparently quite highly rated

[04Sauzee]

Hibs tweet

David Mitchell has agreed to a mutual termination of his Hibs contract.

We wish David all the best for the future and thank him for his professionalism during his time at the Club.

[St Pauli Hibee]

Aberdeen sign Bojan Miovski from MTK Budapest

Apparently quite highly rated

14 goals in 42 for MTK & 10 caps for North Macedonia. A big guy as well at 6ft 2"

[Sir David Gray]

Hibs tweet

David Mitchell has agreed to a mutual termination of his Hibs contract.

We wish David all the best for the future and thank him for his professionalism during his time at the Club.

Updated squad list after today's news;

Marshall
Dabrowski

Porteous
Doig
Hanlon
Cadden
Stevenson
Bushiri
Miller
Delferriere
MacIntyre
Mitchell
McGregor

Newell
Doyle Hayes
Campbell
Tait
Hauge
Magennis
Henderson
Blaney
Aiken
Hamilton
Kenneh
Mackay
Tavares

Nisbet
Doidge
Melkersen
Bojang
O'Connor

[Billy Whizz]

Hibs tweet

David Mitchell has agreed to a mutual termination of his Hibs contract.

We wish David all the best for the future and thank him for his professionalism during his time at the Club.
Did he have another season to go?

[Sir David Gray]

Did he have another season to go?

Yes.

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs tweet

David Mitchell has agreed to a mutual termination of his Hibs contract.

We wish David all the best for the future and thank him for his professionalism during his time at the Club.

I know he won’t have been earning much but three contracted players off the books this week is decent. When you looked at the squad list it had to happen to let us get the squad to a decent place. Hopefully a few more to follow, would expect at least one or two of the midfielders to be out on loan at some point (probably Campbell or Tait).

[Jones28]

Updated squad list after today's news;

Marshall
Dabrowski

Porteous
Doig
Hanlon
Cadden
Stevenson
Bushiri
Miller
Delferriere
MacIntyre
Mitchell
McGregor

Newell
Doyle Hayes
Campbell
Tait
Hauge
Magennis
Henderson
Blaney
Aiken
Hamilton
Kenneh
Mackay
Tavares

Nisbet
Doidge
Melkersen
Bojang
O'Connor

Think the ones in bold will be away.

[MelbourneHibees]

Think the ones in bold will be away.
No chance Rocky leaves surely?

[Brightside]

Updated squad list after today's news;

Marshall
Dabrowski

Porteous
Doig
Hanlon
Cadden
Stevenson
Bushiri
Miller
Delferriere
MacIntyre
Mitchell
McGregor

Newell
Doyle Hayes
Campbell
Tait
Hauge
Magennis
Henderson
Blaney
Aiken
Hamilton
Kenneh
Mackay
Tavares

Nisbet
Doidge
Melkersen
Bojang
O'Connor

Sorry, who is saying this is the squad list. Not sure why you have included some of the 18s and ignored others. Young, Brydon and Laidlaw would all be further forward than many on this list.

[Billy Whizz]

Sorry, who is saying this is the squad list. Not sure why you have included some of the 18s and ignored others. Young, Brydon and Laidlaw would all be further forward than many on this list.

Johnson said he’s wanting to have a look at 2/3 of the younger ones, see if any are ready for 1st team football, at least 6 on the list

[Hibees1973]

No chance Rocky leaves surely?

Well, in what has been a farcical transfer window so far I would not bet against it.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Think the ones in bold will be away.

Porto won’t be going anywhere.


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[Billy Whizz]

Porto won’t be going anywhere.


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At this moment in time. Never say never

[Sir David Gray]

Sorry, who is saying this is the squad list. Not sure why you have included some of the 18s and ignored others. Young, Brydon and Laidlaw would all be further forward than many on this list.

I think I've already answered this question from you earlier today, not sure if it was on this thread or the main board.

I believe the criteria used is that all the players listed have all either appeared in the first team squad at some point or have just recently been signed as a first team player.

I didn't mean to annoy anyone by posting this but I thought I would update it every time we had some movement either in or out of the club over the summer.

I will stop updating it if people don't find it interesting or helpful though.

[CapitalGreen]

I think I've already answered this question from you earlier today, not sure if it was on this thread or the main board.

I believe the criteria used is that all the players listed have all either appeared in the first team squad at some point or have just recently been signed as a first team player.


On that criteria you should be including Ethan Laidlaw and Jack Brydon too as they’ve both been included in match day squads.

[Brightside]

Hibs have now signed more players than anyone else in the league for this new season. :greengrin 7 "signed"

[JimBHibees]

Well, in what has been a farcical transfer window so far I would not bet against it.

Farcical :rolleyes:

[JimBHibees]

At this moment in time. Never say never

Agree not so sure

[Unseen work]

Liking this ruthless sort of stance from Johnson.

Being upfront and honest with players about lack of game time/not suiting his style and moving them on sharp.

Feel like the more successful managers have a similar mindset to put their stamp on the team quickly and recruit players to how they actually want to play.

Excited for the season ahead.

[04Sauzee]

Looking at the squad from last season, with departures and incomings our first team squad stands at 22 or 23 if you include Steven Bradley.

I invite haven't included any youngsters who may be promoted or any players who were signed specifically for the U23 squad.

[Big_Franck]

I think I've already answered this question from you earlier today, not sure if it was on this thread or the main board.

I believe the criteria used is that all the players listed have all either appeared in the first team squad at some point or have just recently been signed as a first team player.

I didn't mean to annoy anyone by posting this but I thought I would update it every time we had some movement either in or out of the club over the summer.

I will stop updating it if people don't find it interesting or helpful though.

Don't stop, I find the updated squad list really useful and I'm sure lots of other members are the same. I don't use social media really so I can miss the odd squad player leaving or us signing someone for the development team. You updating that list saves loads of people lots of time.

[Seanm1875]

‘Yaya Sanogo has told*Sky Sports that three clubs in Scotland are after the free agent this summer.
The former Arsenal striker has been a free agent for the past 12 months, since leaving Huddersfield Town after his short-term contract ended in the summer of 2021.’

From sky sports, I’d imagine this is the unknown striker we’re after


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[Brightside]

I think I've already answered this question from you earlier today, not sure if it was on this thread or the main board.

I believe the criteria used is that all the players listed have all either appeared in the first team squad at some point or have just recently been signed as a first team player.

I didn't mean to annoy anyone by posting this but I thought I would update it every time we had some movement either in or out of the club over the summer.

I will stop updating it if people don't find it interesting or helpful though.

I wasnt having a go i just didnt understand the reasoning. Very few if any of the kids will be in the match day squads next season, and if they are it will be as a development opportunity. With that in mind I wouldnt put them as first team squad.

[nonshinyfinish]

‘Yaya Sanogo has told*Sky Sports that three clubs in Scotland are after the free agent this summer.
The former Arsenal striker has been a free agent for the past 12 months, since leaving Huddersfield Town after his short-term contract ended in the summer of 2021.’

From sky sports, I’d imagine this is the unknown striker we’re after


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He's not unknown. The reported quote from LJ at the Q&A was that the striker was someone we wouldn't have heard of.

[bingo70]

He's not unknown. The reported quote from LJ at the Q&A was that the striker was someone we wouldn't have heard of.

LJ underestimates how much of my working day I spend on transfermarkt and YouTube then.

[04Sauzee]

‘Yaya Sanogo has told*Sky Sports that three clubs in Scotland are after the free agent this summer.
The former Arsenal striker has been a free agent for the past 12 months, since leaving Huddersfield Town after his short-term contract ended in the summer of 2021.’

From sky sports, I’d imagine this is the unknown striker we’re after


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12 months out the game?

[Sir David Gray]

On that criteria you should be including Ethan Laidlaw and Jack Brydon too as they’ve both been included in match day squads.

That's true, I'll make sure they're included in future lists.

[04Sauzee]

LJ underestimates how much of my working day I spend on transfermarkt and YouTube then.

🤣

[Hibees1973]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

[ElginHibbie]

‘Yaya Sanogo has told*Sky Sports that three clubs in Scotland are after the free agent this summer.
The former Arsenal striker has been a free agent for the past 12 months, since leaving Huddersfield Town after his short-term contract ended in the summer of 2021.’

From sky sports, I’d imagine this is the unknown striker we’re after


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He was really good in my Football Manager game 12 years ago, so for that one reason I think we should sign him

[SaulGoodman]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.


This has been done to death

[Hibernian Verse]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

You're at it today. Your posts all over different threads are a dead giveaway.

[SHODAN]

‘Yaya Sanogo has told*Sky Sports that three clubs in Scotland are after the free agent this summer.
The former Arsenal striker has been a free agent for the past 12 months, since leaving Huddersfield Town after his short-term contract ended in the summer of 2021.’

From sky sports, I’d imagine this is the unknown striker we’re after


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My heart just fluttered a bit. Sanogo was the star man of my 4-in-a-row Champions League winning team with Arsenal in FM2012.

[J-C]

This has been done to death


You're wasting your time with a few punters on here, no matter what evidence you show them, they'll still attempt to peddle this pish about recruitment etc.

[hibby rae]

David Mitchell away, if only he'd got a chance........

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

You need a ride mate.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

‘Yaya Sanogo has told*Sky Sports that three clubs in Scotland are after the free agent this summer.
The former Arsenal striker has been a free agent for the past 12 months, since leaving Huddersfield Town after his short-term contract ended in the summer of 2021.’

From sky sports, I’d imagine this is the unknown striker we’re after


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Probably end up with his brother ‘It’!

[HoboHarry]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.
You're trying too hard mate.

[HFC93]

David Mitchell away, if only he'd got a chance........

A chance would have been a fine thing. A fine thing indeed

[Mr. Wonderful]

David Mitchell away, if only he'd got a chance........

Not even a single peep of what he had to show

[Jones28]

No chance Rocky leaves surely?

Would you want to be here in his shoes? I wouldn’t.

[Jones28]

Porto won’t be going anywhere.


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I’m not so sure. He’s had a mare on and off the pitch last season, IMO he needs out of Scottish football for the sake of his career.

[Jones28]

This has been done to death

People with an agenda.

[Nicho87]

Not even a single peep of what he had to show

Hope he remembered his - keys, change, wallet, phone and taking his hibs hat off and putting another clubs hat on!

[Ringothedog]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.
In answer to your questions-

Yes I do have faith

The manager appears satisfied with the signings so far, what does he have to justify?

The new contracts were awarded to Campbell and Doyle- Hayes because they were performing to a decent standard at the time. The contracts were given by Jack Ross.

The Squad is not massive, in fact we need more players

The majority of the players that you state “failed” are away or have you missed all the departures from the club. Muller was not on £10k a week. We can’t afford those sort of wages.

You are allowed to be a critic of this regime but if you are unhappy now you must have been absolutely miserable under Farmers ownership.

Your last points are just your thoughts. We will find out soon enough if we will sign some experienced players of an age considered okay by yourself. McGeady is not a “has been” and would be a great signing for us(imo)

The transfer window has just opened what are you panicking for?

[Hibiza]

Hope Ross will take jdh and Campbell , since he gave them the contract extensions

[Iain G]

People with an agenda.

But what's the agenda? Just being relentlessly negative and critical about anything the club does? It makes no sense...unless Graeme Mathie has multiple accounts on here? 😁

[Hibernian Verse]

But what's the agenda? Just being relentlessly negative and critical about anything the club does? It makes no sense...unless Graeme Mathie has multiple accounts on here? 😁

Just moaning like **** in general.

[Dalianwanda]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

I like the idea of what we are doing..Getting players in to develop to move into the first team (I'd rather we became a bit more self sufficient developing young players than bringing in journeymen) some will work some wont. The recruitment process has been explained to death so its not just Rons son..Not sure what other info you need but perhaps your going to be dubious what ever they say.

Weve still more to come in/go so can talk a bit more about balance when I actually see the finalised squad.

Campbell I think its a bit weird that such a long contract was given but he had broken into the first team & start off playing well..Same with JDH who I still think will have a part to play.

The squad isnt massive as has already been pointed out by others.

Theres been as many duffers join us who have been expected to get off to a flier due to their form at previous clubs as young ones who havent made the grade. I like that were trying something a bit different. We just have to trust those chosing and developing the players for now.

I feel the vibrations from an upturn in Petries tache know that everything was deemed rosie under his watch :greengrin

[JammyDoidger]

3 scottish premiership clubs interested in formal Arsenal Striker Yaya Sanogo, 29, 6ft 3. Not played a lot of football lately last at Huddersfield?

[DC_Hibs]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

You should have put that 10k a week nonsense as your first sentence so folk would know not to read the rest.

Absolute lunacy!!

Dime Bar?

[Brightside]

Hope Ross will take jdh and Campbell , since he gave them the contract extensions

He didnt.

[Since90+2]

3 scottish premiership clubs interested in formal Arsenal Striker Yaya Sanogo, 29, 6ft 3. Not played a lot of football lately last at Huddersfield?

Bit weird he'd be in that high demand if he's been out of the game for a year and he's not exactly been brilliant prior to that.

[Dunbar Hibee]

Bit weird he'd be in that high demand if he's been out of the game for a year and he's not exactly been brilliant prior to that.

Dundee were sniffing about him not so long ago, wouldn’t be too excited with this one!

[Jdawg]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

Most of the players were here the season before last when we finished 3rd?

[Hiber-nation]

3 scottish premiership clubs interested in formal Arsenal Striker Yaya Sanogo, 29, 6ft 3. Not played a lot of football lately last at Huddersfield?

I'll guess Livi, Ross Co and maybe Killie or St Mirren.

[Ringothedog]

He didnt.

Who did then?

[Jones28]

But what's the agenda? Just being relentlessly negative and critical about anything the club does? It makes no sense...unless Graeme Mathie has multiple accounts on here? 😁

Just ****ing moaning mate, any opportunity to have a pop at the club. It's the same people time and time again.

It's a mess and Ron is to blame (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357132-It-s-a-mess-and-Ron-is-to-blame&highlight=)

It's getting poisonous (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357170-It-s-getting-poisonous&highlight=)

Ron - can we trust him (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?356276-Ron-can-we-trust-him&highlight=)

Ron Gordon (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?355285-Ron-Gordon&highlight=)

4 threads from this single poster all with the same agenda: We Can't Trust Ron Gordon.

[Hibernian Verse]

Just ****ing moaning mate, any opportunity to have a pop at the club. It's the same people time and time again.

It's a mess and Ron is to blame (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357132-It-s-a-mess-and-Ron-is-to-blame&highlight=)

It's getting poisonous (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357170-It-s-getting-poisonous&highlight=)

Ron - can we trust him (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?356276-Ron-can-we-trust-him&highlight=)

Ron Gordon (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?355285-Ron-Gordon&highlight=)

4 threads from this single poster all with the same agenda: We Can't Trust Ron Gordon.

Clearly a Jambo when you put it like that

[HoboHarry]

Just ****ing moaning mate, any opportunity to have a pop at the club. It's the same people time and time again.

It's a mess and Ron is to blame (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357132-It-s-a-mess-and-Ron-is-to-blame&highlight=)

It's getting poisonous (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357170-It-s-getting-poisonous&highlight=)

Ron - can we trust him (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?356276-Ron-can-we-trust-him&highlight=)

Ron Gordon (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?355285-Ron-Gordon&highlight=)

4 threads from this single poster all with the same agenda: We Can't Trust Ron Gordon.
Ach it will be fine, at some point he's going to be old enough to grow hair on his body and he'll find other things to do :greengrin

[Hibees1973]

Ach it will be fine, at some point he's going to be old enough to grow hair on his body and he'll find other things to do :greengrin

:wink: like that.

Not a jambo...I'm just watching things getting progressively worse.

My feeling is that Ron and his son won't be at Hibs this time next year.

Just my opinion.

[The dalmeny]

This thread heading to be locked too?

[Aldo]

:wink: like that.

Not a jambo...I'm just watching things getting progressively worse.

My feeling is that Ron and his son won't be at Hibs this time next year.

Just my opinion.

But are they getting progressively worse?

You constantly post negativity about the club even it’s it’s positive!

So who will do a better job running the club??

By all accounts our off-field income etc is better, loads of sponsors etc. do you remember the season we didn’t have a main sponsor??

Ron and co are learning the hard way and given time I think they’ll get it right.


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[xqnq1875]

Mcgeady is a done deal he passed his medical today and should be announced either tonight or tomorrow at about 12ish


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[green day]

This thread heading to be locked too?

It wont be locked, but its the same people every single time.

They destroy every thread with their negativity - and quite often laughable views.

People were moaning their tits off about signing younger inexperienced players - the same people will have some other complaint when we sign an older experienced player.

Fannies

[Craig_in_Prague]

Mcgeady is a done deal he passed his medical today and should be announced either tonight or tomorrow at about 12ish


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Hope that's true, great news 👍

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Aldo]

It wont be locked, but its the same people every single time.

They destroy every thread with their negativity - and quite often laughable views.

People were moaning their tits off about signing younger inexperienced players - the same people will have some other complaint when we sign an older experienced player.

Fannies

Wish you had written this before my post GD as it would have saved me the time!


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[ElginHibbie]

Sounds like McGregor not seen as a first team player anymore so really could do with 2 new CBs to compete with Porto and Hanlon

[GloryGlory]

Darren McGregor - player/coach role with the dev squad.

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1540002235677134850

[Logie]

Sounds like McGregor not seen as a first team player anymore so really could do with 2 new CBs to compete with Porto and Hanlon

Was just about to post similar message. Hibs Twitter confirming Daz player/coaching role with the development squad. 2 new CB’s would be ideal

[McGruber]

Mcgeady is a done deal he passed his medical today and should be announced either tonight or tomorrow at about 12ish


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Another £1

[04Sauzee]

Hibernian legend Darren McGregor will take up a new player/coach role with the #HibsDevSquad for 2022/23 ⚽️💚

Read more here 👇

[McGruber]

Sounds like McGregor not seen as a first team player anymore so really could do with 2 new CBs to compete with Porto and Hanlon

Ahem..... & Rocky ..... (read the room)!

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Darren McGregor - player/coach role with the dev squad.

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1540002235677134850

With him captaining us on the final day of the season, i assumed something was in the pipeline

Great he's hanging around for next stage in his development. Legend

[green day]

Wish you had written this before my post GD as it would have saved me the time!


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Yours equally as valid.

To be honest, I hate the close season - people with too much time on their hands moan about every single thing and its not even objective.

You would think we were lagging other clubs in signing and moving on players - the objective assessment is that Hibs have been more active in this area than most............and some are even bumming up Aberdeen players they have never heard of, whos stats are - again objectively - worse than players Hibs already have in the ****** squad :rolleyes:

Its absolutely soul destroying at times.

[04Sauzee]

Looking at the squad from last season, with departures and incomings our first team squad stands at 22 or 23 if you include Steven Bradley.

I invite haven't included any youngsters who may be promoted or any players who were signed specifically for the U23 squad.

Now after the McGregor announcement it's 21/22 so definitely room for some additions.

[McGruber]

Darren McGregor - player/coach role with the dev squad.

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1540002235677134850

They needed to free up some space in the squad and the fairest way was to draw a letter - Magennis and McKay will be worried

[ElginHibbie]

Ahem..... & Rocky ..... (read the room)!

Not writing Rocky off but he’s clearly seen as needing development and so we need others whilst that happens. Maybe see a 6 month loan come in?

[04Sauzee]

David Mitchell signs for Partick Thistle

[Big_Franck]

We definitely need two new centre halves now. McGregor no longer in the first team, Clarke away, McGinn away and Johnson apparently said yesterday that Rocky should be considered like a 19 year old in terms of his development so he clearly doesn't see him ready to start games.

So that leaves Porteous and a 32 year old Paul Hanlon, who is currently injured. Two new centre halves a must now for me, especially if he plans to play with 3 at the back.

[Aldo]

Yours equally as valid.

To be honest, I hate the close season - people with too much time on their hands moan about every single thing and its not even objective.

You would think we were lagging other clubs in signing and moving on players - the objective assessment is that Hibs have been more active in this area than most............and some are even bumming up Aberdeen players they have never heard of, whos stats are - again objectively - worse than players Hibs already have in the ****** squad :rolleyes:

Its absolutely soul destroying at times.


Tbh it’s been like this at times throughout the season and now it continues!

I really don’t think a multi million pound signing would appease some on here!

Even when we do well those with an agenda will find something else to criticise the club about!


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[Big_Franck]

I don't think the negativity amongst the support is surprising at all. We were absolutely gash last year and Hearts had a good season, which always makes things worse whether you like it or not.

And so far this summer we've only signed Marshall who is likely to come in and improve the first 11. Hibs fans need signings to give them hope that next season will be different and until we get them, this board will continue to be quite negative.

[bingo70]

I don't think the negativity amongst the support is surprising at all. We were absolutely gash last year and Hearts had a good season, which always makes things worse whether you like it or not.

And so far this summer we've only signed Marshall who is likely to come in and improve the first 11. Hibs fans need signings to give them hope that next season will be different and until we get them, this board will continue to be quite negative.

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times but I’m fully expecting Kennah, Tavares and Miller to improve the first 11.

I’ve never seen them play but they wouldn’t have been signed if they weren’t being viewed that way by the people who have seen them.

[Hibbyradge]

Clearly a Jambo when you put it like that

Either that or it's Simon Pia!

[Smartie]

If Hibs had a decent track record at taking a step back to take 2 steps forward in the transfer market then I think we’d all be a lot calmer.

We don’t though, so it’s understandable that we’ll be in varying states of agitation as we see a few probably necessary departures happening before we get the absolutely essential arrivals.

There’s still plenty of time to go, but that time will disappear faster than it takes to say “deadline day swoop for James Scott and Drey Wright”.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times but I’m fully expecting Kennah, Tavares and Miller to improve the first 11.

I’ve never seen them play but they wouldn’t have been signed if they weren’t being viewed that way by the people who have seen them.

Agree. And Johnson seemed really excited about Tavares and Kenneh in particular


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[Unseen work]

Freeing up quite a bit of room with the 4 players leaving the first team in the last 24 hours.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Hibs tweet

David Mitchell has agreed to a mutual termination of his Hibs contract.

We wish David all the best for the future and thank him for his professionalism during his time at the Club.

Whats the odds on him going to DUFC?

[Hibbyradge]

Whats the odds on him going to DUFC?

I'll give you 20/1

[1875er]

I'll give you 20/1

I’ll give you 2,000/1[emoji12]


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[JimBHibees]

Clearly a Jambo when you put it like that

Absolutely

[GloryGlory]

https://twitter.com/Record_Sport/status/1540009852176683008

[jacomo]

Either that or it's Simon Pia!


Would love to hear his take on the current state of Hibs.

Actually, I don’t give a ****.

[jacomo]

https://twitter.com/Record_Sport/status/1540009852176683008


Just confirms what I posted here yesterday *exclusive*

Stay tuned for more vaguely worded drivel as I try and con you all into thinking I’m in the know.

[HoboHarry]

Just confirms what I posted here yesterday *exclusive*

Stay tuned for more vaguely worded drivel as I try and con you all into thinking I’m in the know.
Did you learn from The Cat? :greengrin

[jacomo]

Did you learn from The Cat? :greengrin


Ooh that’s harsh!

[Turkish Green]

I don't think the negativity amongst the support is surprising at all. We were absolutely gash last year and Hearts had a good season, which always makes things worse whether you like it or not.

And so far this summer we've only signed Marshall who is likely to come in and improve the first 11. Hibs fans need signings to give them hope that next season will be different and until we get them, this board will continue to be quite negative.

While recruiting is still a priority, my feeling is that last season's squad will perform better under Johnson than the poor performance under Maloney. I still consider that Ross would have done better if he wasn't pumped when he was.

[cameronw-hfc]

Really funny how down south there's a rumour mill for every player and club but up here most journos get their rumours from Hibs.net or kickback etc 😂.

Only 2/3 journos up here I'll trust for any transfer news.

[jacomo]

While recruiting is still a priority, my feeling is that last season's squad will perform better under Johnson than the poor performance under Maloney. I still consider that Ross would have done better if he wasn't pumped when he was.


All true.

Maloney tried to impose a new system that did not work and the players clearly performed below their best.

Currently the squad is no stronger than last season really but I’d expect an improvement from them.

[Brightside]

Just confirms what I posted here yesterday *exclusive*

Stay tuned for more vaguely worded drivel as I try and con you all into thinking I’m in the know.

Especially as he’s already had the medical.

[Hibbyradge]

Ooh that’s harsh!

Correct, very harsh.

You taught him.

[LeithMike]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

Not sure if you are on the wind up or not but, if I'm being honest, I share a lot of the same questions. There are a lot of overly negative posters though and if you ask legitimate questions you tend to get thrown into the same bracket by those posters who also want to believe the best about the club.

I'm certainly not convinced at the way the club is being run but I think we'll know a lot more by the winter. If I was to pin my colours to the mast though I think we are going to struggle next season without some signings of players who have proven they can succeed up here.

Sorry if this post is construed as negative. I want to believe the best about the club but think the evidence certainly doesn't point that way. Hopefully though, the evidence is wrong as I'd love to be going to a packed and positive ER.







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[HoboHarry]

Ooh that’s harsh!
:greengrin

[JamesHFC]

Hearing that we have held initial talks with Sam Hutchinson’s agent. His contract comes to an end at Sheffield Wednesday next week.

I expected we would be after someone younger and more mobile, unless we want another experienced player in there. Nothing more than just talks at this point anyway apparently.

[04Sauzee]

Hearing that we have held initial talks with Sam Hutchinson’s agent. His contract comes to an end at Sheffield Wednesday next week.

I expected we would be after someone younger and more mobile, unless we want another experienced player in there. Nothing more than just talks at this point anyway apparently.
Fantastic player when fit, doesn't have much pace mind

[SHODAN]

Not for me, can't risk another injury prone player.

[Scooter]

Fantastic player when fit, doesn't have much pace mind

What injuries did he have the Wednesday fans seem gutted to be losing him

[J-C]

Darren McGregor - player/coach role with the dev squad.

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1540002235677134850


Perfect role model for the young lads, they'll look up to him and keeps him in and around the squad, let them know what Hibs is all about.

[ahibby]

Agree. And Johnson seemed really excited about Tavares and Kenneh in particular


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Now I am concerned. Kenneh is a long way from the finished item.

[ahibby]

Perfect role model for the young lads, they'll look up to him and keeps him in and around the squad, let them know what Hibs is all about.

Very pleasing, Darren, Hibs legend.

[NC1875]

Hearing that we have held initial talks with Sam Hutchinson’s agent. His contract comes to an end at Sheffield Wednesday next week.

I expected we would be after someone younger and more mobile, unless we want another experienced player in there. Nothing more than just talks at this point anyway apparently.

I was told the other day we were speaking to a centre midfielder from down south so that’ll be him.

[eastmainsmsh]

Yaya sonogu linked to Scottish clubs

[JamesHFC]

I was told the other day we were speaking to a centre midfielder from down south so that’ll be him.

Same agent as Hyndman and Vela.

[Vault Boy]

Hearing that we have held initial talks with Sam Hutchinson’s agent. His contract comes to an end at Sheffield Wednesday next week.

I expected we would be after someone younger and more mobile, unless we want another experienced player in there. Nothing more than just talks at this point anyway apparently.

That’s an interesting one. Clearly showed a lot of character to come back and make a career out of playing after his physical issues early on. Highly rated at Wednesday as far as I remember.

[04Sauzee]

I was told the other day we were speaking to a centre midfielder from down south so that’ll be him.

Played most of last season as a CB, can play both.

[Unseen work]

Hearing that we have held initial talks with Sam Hutchinson’s agent. His contract comes to an end at Sheffield Wednesday next week.

I expected we would be after someone younger and more mobile, unless we want another experienced player in there. Nothing more than just talks at this point anyway apparently.

Cheers for sharing 👍🏻

Johnson will know him well so if he’s happy and think he can do a job then I trust him.

We’ve lost a lot of experience in defence with McGinn and McGregor leaving so we could use someone like him.

Not particularly concerned if he’s not fast anymore, I’m sure his reading of the game makes up for that similar to Mulgrew etc.

[J-C]

That’s an interesting one. Clearly showed a lot of character to come back and make a career out of playing after his physical issues early on. Highly rated at Wednesday as far as I remember.


Played most of last season as a CB, can play both.


Do we need a 32 year old CH/DM ?

[04Sauzee]

Moira is reporting Doidge is free to find himself another club.

[JamesHFC]

Moira is reporting Doidge is free to find himself another club.

No surprise there really. Looks like we are trying to get all our transfer business early which is good to see.

[bigwheel]

Moira is reporting Doidge is free to find himself another club.

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

[Northernhibee]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

Yep, I think that’s absolutely crazy and will bite us on the arse.

[SHODAN]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

Think it's quite simply a case of the injury having permanently impacted his ability.

[Smartie]

Last I saw of Sam Hutchinson he was getting his pocket picked by Ross Stewart in the play off semi.

I remember thinking that if any Hibs player got caught like that in a big game that he’d get absolutely slaughtered, so it’s interesting to hear that the Wednesday fans still have a positive view of him.

Based on that one incident though - not sure I fancy the thought of him running back towards his own goal with a nippy striker on his back after a simple punt over the top.

[Aldo]

Moira is reporting Doidge is free to find himself another club.

By free do they mean mutualled??

We just given him an extension so surely a fee of some sort will be required!?


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[Vault Boy]

Do we need a 32 year old CH/DM ?

We need centre backs and we need experience, so I’d go with yes providing he’s fit and able.

[B.H.F.C]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

Been a while since he regularly scored goals though. And with the obvious questions over his fitness, I think we can replace him.

[Nicho87]

Moira is reporting Doidge is free to find himself another club.

Good news imo

[J-C]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

It's football and with any new manager comes new faces, Doidge has really struggled big time with his achilles and having covid, nowhere near the player he needs to be, surely it's better to allow him to go rather than sitting on the bench all season, same scenario with McGinn.

[Since452]

Moira is reporting Doidge is free to find himself another club.

Hopefully she's talking ***** as usual.

[bigwheel]

Think it's quite simply a case of the injury having permanently impacted his ability.

Don’t think that’s the case..he’s fully fit ..they decided to exit him months ago ..don’t fancy him for some reason .think they’ve called it wrong - but what is more important is who they replace him with ..big shoes to fill

[Waxy]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

Had a real purple patch with us and he loved it.
Wish him all the best going forward.

[J-C]

By free do they me mutualled??

We just given him an extension so surely a fee of some sort will be required!?


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TBH the extension of his contract was a nonsense considering he was recuperating with his achilles injury at the time and it would've been Ross that approved it.

[JamesHFC]

Sounds like there could be another announcement tomorrow as well as McGeady. Not sure who it could be but I wonder if it’s the striker from England I got told about a couple of weeks ago.

[Billy Whizz]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

I agree, and this is going to cost us a fair bit on money, how many years has he got left on his contract!
McGinn and Mitchell probably also got some sort of pay off too

[Unseen work]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace him

If by club you mean the employees then I don’t get the criticism at all, we gave him a contract extension when he was injured. Unfortunately for him he doesn’t seem to suit the new managers style of play so has been told if he wants consistent football he can find a new club. Surely nothing weird in that?

If you mean the fans then I agree, a lot seem to have completely wrote him off and changed their minds on him in a season where he’s barely been for. Before that he was playing really well and was an important player. Some showing a lack of respect for that he has done imo.

[Aldo]

TBH the extension of his contract was a nonsense considering he was recuperating with his achilles injury at the time and it would've been Ross that approved it.

Aye but an extension is an extension and he’s under contract for the next 3 years?? I’d be expecting a fee if he was to move on. Allowing us to reinvest!


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[B.H.F.C]

I agree, and this is going to cost us a fair bit on money, how many years has he got left on his contract!
McGinn and Mitchell probably also got some sort of pay off too

Would cost us more to keep players we don’t intend to use.

Forgetting any opinions on ability, I think it’s quite encouraging that we’re not mucking about in trying to move players on that we don’t see as part of it. Squad needed it IMO.

[Unseen work]

Sounds like there could be another announcement tomorrow as well as McGeady. Not sure who it could be but I wonder if it’s the striker from England I got told about a couple of weeks ago.

Did you hear a name?

I wonder if it’s Cole Stockton who was previously linked, although supposedly at the Q&A Johnson said it’s a foreign striker who we wouldn’t know.

[bigwheel]

If by club you mean the employees then I don’t get the criticism at all, we gave him a contract extension when he was injured. Unfortunately for him he doesn’t seem to suit the new managers style of play so has been told if he wants consistent football he can find a new club. Surely nothing weird in that?

If you mean the fans then I agree, a lot seem to have completely wrote him off and changed their minds on him in a season where he’s barely been for. Before that he was playing really well and was an important player. Some showing a lack of respect for that he has done imo.

No. I mean the club - was told he was being moved on ..long before new manager . You’re right though - underrated by many - weird that - We’ve seen him , we know what he brings. Anyway, what’s key is we bring in someone who can get 15 goals plus.

[Unseen work]

Interesting Moira Gordon is saying Melkersen is likely to get played wider this season.

No idea how she would be privy to that sort of information.

[J-C]

I agree, and this is going to cost us a fair bit on money, how many years has he got left on his contract!
McGinn and Mitchell probably also got some sort of pay off too


Doubt there'll be any pay off, they can negotiate any new contract and signing of fees with whatever clubs are interested, remember they don't have to go, they can sit tight on the contract they have but it means not playing, or playing with the young lads.

[Bridge hibs]

Interesting Moira Gordon is saying Melkersen is likely to get played wider this season.

No idea how she would be privy to that sort of information.That slaver needs to pick a new team on football manager

[B.H.F.C]

If by club you mean the employees then I don’t get the criticism at all, we gave him a contract extension when he was injured. Unfortunately for him he doesn’t seem to suit the new managers style of play so has been told if he wants consistent football he can find a new club. Surely nothing weird in that?

If you mean the fans then I agree, a lot seem to have completely wrote him off and changed their minds on him in a season where he’s barely been for. Before that he was playing really well and was an important player. Some showing a lack of respect for that he has done imo.

I don’t think there’s a lack of respect, he’s always split opinion. Some people just don’t think he’ll be as big a loss, or difficult to replace, as others.

Personally, I think I’m somewhere in the middle. I’ve never thought he was as good as some suggest but I’ve never thought he was as poor as others suggest. Was really good once he found his feet in his first season but not been close to that, thereafter, for me.

[J-C]

Aye but an extension is an extension and he’s under contract for the next 3 years?? I’d be expecting a fee if he was to move on. Allowing us to reinvest!


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Probably happy to get his wages freed up, there may be no one ready to pay the £'s we'd like, so just as easy to get him off the wages.

[JamesHFC]

Did you hear a name?

I wonder if it’s Cole Stockton who was previously linked, although supposedly at the Q&A Johnson said it’s a foreign striker who we wouldn’t know.

Nah definitely not him apparently. We seem to be really exploring the foreign market so could be.

[Billy Whizz]

Would cost us more to keep players we don’t intend to use.

Forgetting any opinions on ability, I think it’s quite encouraging that we’re not mucking about in trying to move players on that we don’t see as part of it. Squad needed it IMO.

That’s one way to look at it, but I’m sure he could make more than an average contribution. At the end of the day we have to trust the manager, but as we’re on our 3rd one in 8 months, all this chopping and changing isn’t exactly helping Hibs

[J-C]

That slaver needs to pick a new team on football manager


The modern front three isn't a striker and 2 wingers, it tends to be 3 forwards that can interchange and all comfortable playing through the middle or out wide.

[xqnq1875]

Moira is reporting Doidge is free to find himself another club.

Where is this about mate, can’t seem to find it anywhere


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[Bridge hibs]

The modern front three isn't a striker and 2 wingers, it tends to be 3 forwards that can interchange and all comfortable playing through the middle or out wide.See, I need to play football manager 🤣

[04Sauzee]

Where is this about mate, can’t seem to find it anywhere


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Here you go

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-to-land-aiden-mcgeady-and-other-attacking-targets-but-one-striker-told-he-can-leave-3743673

[weecounty hibby]

If he is being released then there must be question marks over his fitness. He us under contract and is definitely good enough for a squad in the Premier league. If he's leaving then I wish him all the best as long as he doesn't score against us

[Aldo]

Probably happy to get his wages freed up, there may be no one ready to pay the £'s we'd like, so just as easy to get him off the wages.

Get that but ram letting him go to another team in Scotland for Zip!

I’d be disappointed if we didn’t get a fee for him! If he does go I’d rather he went down South rather than remaining up here!


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[Billy Whizz]

The modern front three isn't a striker and 2 wingers, it tends to be 3 forwards that can interchange and all comfortable playing through the middle or out wide.

Celtic being the classic example, Maeda plays wide left, but ghosts into penalty box. Might be a good situation for Melkerson

[xqnq1875]

Here you go

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-to-land-aiden-mcgeady-and-other-attacking-targets-but-one-striker-told-he-can-leave-3743673

Thank you mate


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[Tambo]

Friday announcements for a couple of signings will do nicely to start the weekend.

I do wonder if Ross will try and come in for anyone.

[McGruber]

I don’t think there’s a lack of respect, he’s always split opinion. Some people just don’t think he’ll be as big a loss, or difficult to replace, as others.

Personally, I think I’m somewhere in the middle. I’ve never thought he was as good as some suggest but I’ve never thought he was as poor as others suggest. Was really good once he found his feet in his first season but not been close to that, thereafter, for me.

An on form Doidge will be very hard to replace. We were crying out for years for a striker like him - with loads of failed versions. I'll be gutted if he goes - so much more of a threat from cross balls than Nisbet and tremendous in the air. The post injured version of Doidge however isn't good enough. If he isn't going to make it back to full fitness then moving him on is the right call. What bugs me is - why not find out over pre-season and give him a chance to show he can get back.

If he goes I hope we get a better version - I'd be surprised though

[04Sauzee]

Thank you mate


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No problem, I should have provided a link at the time.

[Wee Scottie Dug]

Newcastle’s tweet for the signing of their new goalie is quite amusing……

[Tyler Durden]

Interesting Moira Gordon is saying Melkersen is likely to get played wider this season.

No idea how she would be privy to that sort of information.

I posted this weeks ago.

It just makes sense at this stage in his development. He’s going to find it tough to play number 9 until he develops a bit more.

He’s technically good and he can score so playing from wide left for example would take the pressure off. No different to a Riordan or how we used Steven Fletcher until he built up a bit

It was also stated he could play anywhere across the forward line when he signed.

[J-C]

See, I need to play football manager 🤣

Nothing to do with football manager, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool , even Celtic and Rangers play with a front 3 that are inter changeable during the game, you see very few out and out big strikers nowadays. Wingers are becoming a thing of the past and wingbacks are now seen as the main player for attacking out wide which allows the 3 attackers to get into the box, hence big Lukaku struggled at Chelsea.

When Boyle was playing last season he was on the right, through the middle and even out wide left, he very seldom played as an out and out winger but was seen as just an attacker, we had Cadden playing as a wingback getting out wide.

[Tyler Durden]

Sounds like there could be another announcement tomorrow as well as McGeady. Not sure who it could be but I wonder if it’s the striker from England I got told about a couple of weeks ago.

Total guesswork and speculation on my part but I wonder if we’re interested in Mendez-Laing who is also leaving Sheff Wed.

He has power and pace and tons of experience. Probably not but he would be a decent signing IMO

[J-C]

Celtic being the classic example, Maeda plays wide left, but ghosts into penalty box. Might be a good situation for Melkerson


We had Horgan but was inconsistent and Murphy who was past it, Rangers have Kent who regularly comes in from the left, the wingbacks give you width nowadays.

[04Sauzee]

Did you hear a name?

I wonder if it’s Cole Stockton who was previously linked, although supposedly at the Q&A Johnson said it’s a foreign striker who we wouldn’t know.

Think it was just a guess based on what was meant to have been said at the Q&A last night when it seems it was mentioned 2 in within 24/48 hrs.

Stockton although I'm not against seems like would cost a fair amount of money and he's not the speedy player that has been suggested?

[Unseen work]

We had Horgan but was inconsistent and Murphy who was past it, Rangers have Kent who regularly comes in from the left, the wingbacks give you width nowadays.

I think the difference is Maeda/Abada actually get in the box when they play wide to get on the end of a cross.

Horgan and Murphy would always cut in when they had the ball but were nowhere to be seen if the right winger put a cross in.

Hopefully if Melkersen plays wife in the front 3 he shows the same hunger as Maeda/Abada

[Smartie]

I posted this weeks ago.

It just makes sense at this stage in his development. He’s going to find it tough to play number 9 until he develops a bit more.

He’s technically good and he can score so playing from wide left for example would take the pressure off. No different to a Riordan or how we used Steven Fletcher until he built up a bit

It was also stated he could play anywhere across the forward line when he signed.

Yeah, I think he’s generally looked a bit lost when leading the line, but he clearly has a nice wee shimmy and shot on him when gliding in from out wide.

You could see a fit Magennis and a proper number 9 making all the difference to the way we attack teams, and there are players already at the club (Mitchell and Melkerson to name a couple) who might fit very nicely around them.

[Billy Whizz]

We had Horgan but was inconsistent and Murphy who was past it, Rangers have Kent who regularly comes in from the left, the wingbacks give you width nowadays.

Horgan was a tricky wee player, good honest player for Hibs. Never really knew his best position though
Kent is again a multi talented player but doesn’t know the way to goal. See Man Utd have been linked with him today

[J-C]

I think the difference is Maeda/Abada actually get in the box when they play wide to get on the end of a cross.

Horgan and Murphy would always cut in when they had the ball but were nowhere to be seen if the right winger put a cross in.

Hopefully if Melkersen plays wife in the front 3 he shows the same hunger as Maeda/Abada

That was their problem, we had such a lack of pace and attacking intent it was brutal at times, also a lack of attacking from midfield didn't help.

[Smartie]

Nothing to do with football manager, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool , even Celtic and Rangers play with a front 3 that are inter changeable during the game, you see very few out and out big strikers nowadays. Wingers are becoming a thing of the past and wingbacks are now seen as the main player for attacking out wide which allows the 3 attackers to get into the box, hence big Lukaku struggled at Chelsea.

When Boyle was playing last season he was on the right, through the middle and even out wide left, he very seldom played as an out and out winger but was seen as just an attacker, we had Cadden playing as a wingback getting out wide.

As Hibs fans I think we have a problem with because even though we’ve tried to play this way often in the past, we’ve very rarely even come close to doing it justice.

[J-C]

Horgan was a tricky wee player, good honest player for Hibs. Never really knew his best position though
Kent is again a multi talented player but doesn’t know the way to goal. See Man Utd have been linked with him today


What Kent lacks in his finishing he makes up for in his general play, tricky, quick and a nuisance, if he could add goals to his game he'd be a big player down south that's for sure, needed to come up here to develop.

[J-C]

As Hibs fans I think we have a problem with because even though we’ve tried to play this way often in the past, we’ve very rarely even come close to doing it justice.

True but the recruitment has been pants at times and we've never seemed to get the correct blend of players to make us play that way. Best I've seen since the Tornadoes was under Mowbray/Collins and then under Stubbs/Lennon, not all the time but on their day these teams could out play almost any team in the league and were a joy to watch. We seem to get a good attacking team, lose 3-4 players from it, then are never able to recruit players to keep it going. Then in comes another manager, new system and it all starts from scratch again.

[Tyler Durden]

As Hibs fans I think we have a problem with because even though we’ve tried to play this way often in the past, we’ve very rarely even come close to doing it justice.

I think Yogi's team was probably the last to be effective and that was only really for 6-8 months. Zemmama on the right and Deeks on the left.

I think in Scotland the trick is to have some flexibility. If the 4-3-3 isn't working then sometimes you need to get 2 strikers closer together and go a bit more direct, bit more of an old fashioned 4-4-2. The likes of Mowbray and on occasion Lennon did that at times and it worked.

Maloney had a huge list of problems that were self inflicted but the biggest issue was just being totally rigid in a formation that didn't work. I think Lee Johnson is a bit more like Lennon that he'll mix it up to find a way to win games.

[Bishop Hibee]

So when Doidge goes we’ll have Melkerson up front to start the season and that’s it? Two first team strikers needed at a minimum and there’s no chance of that happening by the Clyde game.

[degenerated]

Either that or it's Simon Pia!He'll be far too busy trying himself in knots as to whether he's a unionist or self-determinist.

[Iain G]

So when Doidge goes we’ll have Melkerson up front to start the season and that’s it? Two first team strikers needed at a minimum and there’s no chance of that happening by the Clyde game.

Still plenty of time before the Clyde game!

[Iain G]

He'll be far too busy trying himself in knots as to whether he's a unionist or self-determinist.

Maybe he just needs to realise he is a twat? 🤣

[Dazzjw1875]

So when Doidge goes we’ll have Melkerson up front to start the season and that’s it? Two first team strikers needed at a minimum and there’s no chance of that happening by the Clyde game.

We also have the striker awaiting work permit, hopefully that'll be sorted so he can join up soon.

[CapitalGreen]

I think Yogi's team was probably the last to be effective and that was only really for 6-8 months. Zemmama on the right and Deeks on the left.

I think in Scotland the trick is to have some flexibility. If the 4-3-3 isn't working then sometimes you need to get 2 strikers closer together and go a bit more direct, bit more of an old fashioned 4-4-2. The likes of Mowbray and on occasion Lennon did that at times and it worked.

Maloney had a huge list of problems that were self inflicted but the biggest issue was just being totally rigid in a formation that didn't work. I think Lee Johnson is a bit more like Lennon that he'll mix it up to find a way to win games.

I think Maloney could have played any system and still struggled because his the issue with his tactics stemmed from being too slow in getting the ball from back to front. We rarely counter attacked teams, allowing them to get everyone behind the ball in the knowledge that we had no creativity in the middle to open them up.

[CapitalGreen]

We also have the striker awaiting work permit, hopefully that'll be sorted so he can join up soon.

Yanis Lahiouel / Zachary Hadji too sign too…maybe 😂

[Lago]

But what's the agenda? Just being relentlessly negative and critical about anything the club does? It makes no sense...unless Graeme Mathie has multiple accounts on here? 😁
One thing I do know is that he is doing my head in with his moaning on and on, record stuck on the same track.

[Lago]

I don’t think there’s a lack of respect, he’s always split opinion. Some people just don’t think he’ll be as big a loss, or difficult to replace, as others.

Personally, I think I’m somewhere in the middle. I’ve never thought he was as good as some suggest but I’ve never thought he was as poor as others suggest. Was really good once he found his feet in his first season but not been close to that, thereafter, for me.
Perfect summary.

[Sir David Gray]

I agree, and this is going to cost us a fair bit on money, how many years has he got left on his contract!
McGinn and Mitchell probably also got some sort of pay off too

Two years left - signed an extension 7 months ago.

[leith lynx]

Sounds like there could be another announcement tomorrow as well as McGeady. Not sure who it could be but I wonder if it’s the striker from England I got told about a couple of weeks ago.

Harry Mckirdy from Swindon?

[jacomo]

So when Doidge goes we’ll have Melkerson up front to start the season and that’s it? Two first team strikers needed at a minimum and there’s no chance of that happening by the Clyde game.


Bojang to the rescue.

[bingo70]

James Scott signing for Ipswich apparently.

[04Sauzee]

James Scott signing for Ipswich apparently.

Ipswich are the Bookies favourites for league one . Not the worst move for him

[weecounty hibby]

James Scott signing for Ipswich apparently.
I would have kept him. I am prepared for the incoming flak.

[whiskyhibby]

What Kent lacks in his finishing he makes up for in his general play, tricky, quick and a nuisance, if he could add goals to his game he'd be a big player down south that's for sure, needed to come up here to develop.

Have to say don’t see what people see in Kent, he has all the tricks and can definitely beat defenders with ease but his final ball is often poor and his finishing woeful, nowhere near EPL standard IMHO…

[The Modfather]

I would have kept him. I am prepared for the incoming flak.

Scored double the goals of Doidge last season and 100% more assists, in less games :devil:

[Hibs90]

Does anyone on here really have faith in our recruitment team, i.e Ron's son.

I'm highly dubious about the structure Ron has put in place and how much input Johnson really has in new signings. I know Johnson must have some input but I find it really difficult to justify that the new players we have signed will improve us.

Apart from Marshall, all we have signed in the last year are, and I quote from various Hibs statements are 'promising' young players. Almost all of them are unproven and inexperienced.

Also, they have dished out 3-4 year contracts to Doyle-Hayes and Campbell who I reckon are not good enough for us to get into the top 4 and shelled out £10k a week for Mueller. The squad is massive and made up of players, who are at best average and which failed dismally last season.

I am a long time critic of the regime at Hibs and have seen more and more posts from others starting to have serious doubts. I just wonder if we will sign experienced, quality outfield players ready to slot straight into the first team. We do not need any more young players or has-beens (McGeady). It may be that our owner feels he has enough and will just go with what we have.

Mueller wasn't on 10k a week.

[Northernhibee]

I would have kept him. I am prepared for the incoming flak.

I agree.

[MWHIBBIES]

I would have kept him. I am prepared for the incoming flak.

That's definitely a recency bias talking. He genuinely didn't beat a man until about April. He was desperately poor.

[JimBHibees]

So when Doidge goes we’ll have Melkerson up front to start the season and that’s it? Two first team strikers needed at a minimum and there’s no chance of that happening by the Clyde game.

How do you know there is no chance?

[weecounty hibby]

That's definitely a recency bias talking. He genuinely didn't beat a man until about April. He was desperately poor.
It's definitely not. I was saying since he came that there was a player in there. Had many disagreements with most of the folk on our supporters bus about it. As I say I would have kept him. Still think he will have a very good career

[BILLYHIBS]

I would have kept him. I am prepared for the incoming flak.

There is class there is first class and then there is Hibs class

[Hibs90]

Doidge didn't look like the same player on his return from injury to be honest but he possibly just needed a solid run of games to get back up to speed much like he did when he initially joined.

I'm all for signing players with potential but the team needs some real quality especially down the spine or we will struggle.

[Just_Jimmy]

Unbelievable (in my view) how Doidge has been disregarded by our club. Brings goals and a huge presence upfront . Hope we have some real quality coming in to replace himAgree. A really disappointing decision. Maybe the injury more than first thought?

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[Greencore]

How much did we spend on Doidge?

[cameronw-hfc]

That's definitely a recency bias talking. He genuinely didn't beat a man until about April. He was desperately poor.

He also didn't play all that much until April and was pretty unfairly singled out by JR at the time. He was a young lad coming back from a bad injury that we surely knew when we signed him he wasn't going to be 100%.

Not surprising it took him a run of games and and a bit longer to get going. I think if he had more chances he would have come good much earlier.

[Heisenberg]

Aberdeen supposedly spent upwards of 500k on that new striker they signed today.

[Since452]

James Scott signing for Ipswich apparently.

My thoughts are with Ipswich at this difficult time.

[Unseen work]

Well surely get a good fee for Doidge, 100k or so wouldn’t be unreasonable imo.

He’ll have plenty interested parties and has plenty years left on his contract.

Even though the club want rid I can’t see us doing it for free, especially If it’s to Dundee United who have a fair bit of money now.

[Stuart93]

Aberdeen supposedly spent upwards of 500k on that new striker they signed today.

Massive risk for that kind of money

[S4uzee]

Massive risk for that kind of money

Like Melkerson I suppose

[xqnq1875]

Hearts have dropped their interest in Ronan for that Jorge grant, would love to see us try get him now that hearts are no longer interested


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[zitelli62]

I would have kept him. I am prepared for the incoming flak.

He definitely looked a lot better player with a run of games maybe he was unfit at the start who knows but looked OK last 4 or 5 games.

[Heisenberg]

Hearts have dropped their interest in Ronan for that Jorge grant, would love to see us try get him now that hearts are no longer interested


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Think he’ll be off to Aberdeen if coming back to Scotland.

[McGruber]

Well surely get a good fee for Doidge, 100k or so wouldn’t be unreasonable imo.

He’ll have plenty interested parties and has plenty years left on his contract.

Even though the club want rid I can’t see us doing it for free, especially If it’s to Dundee United who have a fair bit of money now.

All depends on whether he gets back to full fitness. If he doesn't it will be a good call.

If he does get back 100% I'll predict Ross will take him to Utd - he knows full well how big a player he was for us. It'll be £100K well spent if that was the price, he'll be a nap to score against us, one of the top strikers in the league and be markedly better than who we replace him with...

over to Johnson to bring in at least 1 good quality physical striker.

[Unseen work]

Genuine question, is Ronan even that good?

Granted I’ve seen him score a couple of screamers but he’s not been a standout every time I’ve seen him.

[Hibee Mac]

Hearts have dropped their interest in Ronan for that Jorge grant, would love to see us try get him now that hearts are no longer interested


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIs he not a bit overrated just cause he scored a few screamers? That was my thoughts (albeit more of a snap judgement than anything else)

[Greencore]

Aberdeen supposedly spent upwards of 500k on that new striker they signed today.

JG will be sacked by December, out of his depth.

[Hibee Mac]

Genuine question, is Ronan even that good?

Granted I’ve seen him score a couple of screamers but he’s not been a standout every time I’ve seen him.Jinx!

[Unseen work]

Dave Cormack’s reply to someone on Twitter when they said McGrath and/or Ronan signing would top off the week

“ "I agree (that it would be brilliant getting those two in). That's exactly what I told Him and Gunn. They told me t that I need to be patient.”

https://twitter.com/cormackdavie/status/1540084327647674369?s=21&t=5YjIOeJxirDS8BiqCRlgmA

Must be happening before he says that

[Just_Jimmy]

Dave Cormack’s reply to someone on Twitter when they said McGrath and/or Ronan signing would top off the week

“ "I agree (that it would be brilliant getting those two in). That's exactly what I told Him and Gunn. They told me t that I need to be patient.”

https://twitter.com/cormackdavie/status/1540084327647674369?s=21&t=5YjIOeJxirDS8BiqCRlgmA

Must be happening before he says thatWay to throw your manager under the bus.

How unprofessional is that.

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[Centre Hawf]

That's definitely a recency bias talking. He genuinely didn't beat a man until about April. He was desperately poor.


He didn't get a proper run when fit until spring. Having read his interview before the end of the season it was clear he joined us with serious fitness/sharpness issues after coming off a bad ankle injury and the problem was we needed someone to play asap. That's not something the guy himself can fix overnight and it isn't his fault, he clearly needed time to build some fitness and confidence in his body again that some people just didn't want to give him.

I think when he got that he actually started to look like a respectable player, and considering his age I was reasonably happy with what he contributed to us after that point. Was he outstanding? No, but I think if that was an academy player that put in the similar performances he did we'd be excited to have seen them kick on next season.

Good luck to him wherever he goes.

[LaMotta]

Either that or it's Simon Pia!


Would love to hear his take on the current state of Hibs.

Actually, I don’t give a ****.


He'll be far too busy trying himself in knots as to whether he's a unionist or self-determinist.


Maybe he just needs to realise he is a twat? ��

I remember Simon Pia tweeting after a rare defeat In Lennon's full season in the Premiership with us. One of the most hysterical, nonsensical tweets I've seen from a Hibs fan, claiming (amongst other things) that Marciano and Big Daz were never good enough for Hibs and were nothing but championship level players.

The same Marciano who went on to help Feynoord to a European final with a string of top displays and the same Darren McGregor who Lennon stated could have easily played in his best Celtic teams.

It's no wonder Scottish Labour have ended up in such a mess with Pia as one of their advisers

[Since452]

Genuine question, is Ronan even that good?

Granted I’ve seen him score a couple of screamers but he’s not been a standout every time I’ve seen him.

Decent in Boyzone but not so great solo.

[Since452]

That's definitely a recency bias talking. He genuinely didn't beat a man until about April. He was desperately poor.

I agree. I don't want a player who decides to start trying when the pressure is off on meaningless end of season games. He had his chance.

[JimBHibees]

Dave Cormack’s reply to someone on Twitter when they said McGrath and/or Ronan signing would top off the week

“ "I agree (that it would be brilliant getting those two in). That's exactly what I told Him and Gunn. They told me t that I need to be patient.”

https://twitter.com/cormackdavie/status/1540084327647674369?s=21&t=5YjIOeJxirDS8BiqCRlgmA

Must be happening before he says that

Weird thing for Cormack to say. Think he is a bit of a plum

[Bridge hibs]

Massive risk for that kind of moneyIf wiki is correct then a handful of goals in 200+ league appearances 😵

[Greenworld]

Don’t think that’s the case..he’s fully fit ..they decided to exit him months ago ..don’t fancy him for some reason .think they’ve called it wrong - but what is more important is who they replace him with ..big shoes to fillLack of pace and touch is the simple answer I would guess. Doidge was kind of a through back striker from the 60,s / 70's and did it well for a while but if we're to play at pace then that counts him out

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[Greenworld]

Looking at the op front page that's 11 players out now 12 if you include doidge that's quite a decisive start to your management at hibs LJ well done ..don't disagree on any of the players let go

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[Greenworld]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/3423759/dundee-united-target-christian-doidge-jack-ross-hibs/

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[McGruber]

Lack of pace and touch is the simple answer I would guess. Doidge was kind of a through back striker from the 60,s / 70's and did it well for a while but if we're to play at pace then that counts him out

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A fully fit Doidge - not for me. It's not La Liga. This romantic notion that we're going to run rings round teams with trickery and pace. It's the Scottish football and you need physicality up front. You need presence and players capable of putting themselves about. The amount of times last year plaing with nice technical players that just get rag dolled. No, not every game - but you need that option. Counting him out for lack of pace - he's quicker than Mixu. Playing with wingers putting more and better crosses in would suit Doidge. All dependant on whether he gets back to full fitness of course

[MWHIBBIES]

To play with pace doesn't mean you need everyone to be fast. Spurs and England play counter attacking football at pace with Harry Kane. The brilliant counter attacking Bayern side with robben and ribery had Mario Gomez and Mario mandzukic up front, neither were quick. Doidge would work well in a quick side. Holds it up, brings others into play, can drop deep, and scores goals.

[Heisenberg]

To play with pace doesn't mean you need everyone to be fast. Spurs and England play counter attacking football at pace with Harry Kane. The brilliant counter attacking Bayern side with robben and ribery had Mario Gomez and Mario mandzukic up front, neither were quick. Doidge would work well in a quick side. Holds it up, brings others into play, can drop deep, and scores goals.

All of that is accurate if we’re talking about Doidge from the season before last. From November onwards last season he looked like he had none of it in his locker anymore and was so far off the pace for the remainder of the season. If he’s back to his best we’re making a mistake but it remains to be seen if he is or not.

[Hibernian Verse]

If we're selling Doidge I'd prefer it to be to an English club. Makes no sense selling strikers to a rival.

[MWHIBBIES]

All of that is accurate if we’re talking about Doidge from the season before last. From November onwards last season he looked like he had none of it in his locker anymore and was so far off the pace for the remainder of the season. If he’s back to his best we’re making a mistake but it remains to be seen if he is or not.

And we should give him the league cup ties and pre season to show it. Imo.

[Heisenberg]

And we should give him the league cup ties and pre season to show it. Imo.

Don’t disagree with that. Sadly appears the decision has been made.

[Mcbizz1998]

Allowing Doidge to move to United where Ross now is is just a recipe for disaster.

He should be given a chance to prove he is fit and back to his best - if not then sell down south.

[GordonHFC]

And we should give him the league cup ties and pre season to show it. Imo.

And if the management team are proven right we will have wasted a pre season, league Cup start and friendlies and will be unprepared for the start of the league campaign?

[CentreLine]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/3423759/dundee-united-target-christian-doidge-jack-ross-hibs/

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[green day]

Allowing Doidge to move to United where Ross now is is just a recipe for disaster.

He should be given a chance to prove he is fit and back to his best - if not then sell down south.

I love the big guy, but he was never the most mobile before covid and injury.

If he hasnt shown a massive improvement in the period to date, it doesnt really surprise me that we are happy to move him on.

We need to get fit players in who slot into the managers system - and not be some rest home to give unfit players "chances to prove themselves" imo.

[bingo70]

Allowing Doidge to move to United where Ross now is is just a recipe for disaster.

He should be given a chance to prove he is fit and back to his best - if not then sell down south.

If i’m the new manager of Hibs i’m not gambling on a striker that’s scored 9 goals in 2 seasons, for whatever reason. Someone posted he made his return from injury in November last year, that’s more than enough time to prove he can get back to his best but he really was absolutely hopeless last season.

IMO getting Doidge off the wage bill is the right thing to do, we just need to make sure we get his replacement right.

[04Sauzee]

If we're selling Doidge I'd prefer it to be to an English club. Makes no sense selling strikers to a rival.

I like Doidge but we should sell him to whoever gives us the most cash, and leave it up to Doidge. If stories are true he'd like to remain in Scotland.

[Hibernian Verse]

I like Doidge but we should sell him to whoever gives us the most cash, and leave it up to Doidge. If stories are true he'd like to remain in Scotland.

If Utd offer us 200k and an English team 100k, then he goes on to score 15-20 goals and help them to 3/4/5 in the league at our expense that will cost us a lot more than the difference in his initial fee.

[Gordy M]

Love this place, posters demanding a clear out after the season ends, then when we release players we complain that we shouldnt be letting players go.....?

[chippy]

I like Doidge but we should sell him to whoever gives us the most cash, and leave it up to Doidge. If stories are true he'd like to remain in Scotland.

I agree. There at least appears to be a large element of decisiveness in our new management. Knows what he wants / doesn’t want. Must be a decent replacement coming in that will suit his style

[Nicho87]

Love this place, posters demanding a clear out after the season ends, then when we release players we complain that we shouldnt be letting players go.....?

Spot on

For me the squad is still to heavy off the imposters from the 12 months.

But it’s pre season so all is forgiven and false hope instilled

[Stewboy]

If i’m the new manager of Hibs i’m not gambling on a striker that’s scored 9 goals in 2 seasons, for whatever reason. Someone posted he made his return from injury in November last year, that’s more than enough time to prove he can get back to his best but he really was absolutely hopeless last season.

IMO getting Doidge off the wage bill is the right thing to do, we just need to make sure we get his replacement right.

Agreed!

[500miles]

If Utd offer us 200k and an English team 100k, then he goes on to score 15-20 goals and help them to 3/4/5 in the league at our expense that will cost us a lot more than the difference in his initial fee.

If he scores 15-20 goals we were fools for selling him in the first place.

[BoomtownHibees]

If Utd offer us 200k and an English team 100k, then he goes on to score 15-20 goals and help them to 3/4/5 in the league at our expense that will cost us a lot more than the difference in his initial fee.

I’d put money on him no scoring that amount of goals in the league next season

[Coco Bryce]

Love this place, posters demanding a clear out after the season ends, then when we release players we complain that we shouldnt be letting players go.....?

This :agree:

Our fans really are unbelievable sometimes!!