Summer 2022-23 transfer thread

[SaulGoodman]

Robertson is overrated IMO. He gets a pass as he's Scottish.
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Why would an English team with a German manager give him a pass because he’s Scottish.

Fwiw I agree with the point that he’s going to be playing better for Liverpool than he does for Scotland because he’s got better players around him. He’s still a brilliant footballer.

[heretoday]

Robertson fits in just fine to the Liverpool system. They'd be a lesser team without him.

[MWHIBBIES]

I did read your posts that’s why I said you could say any player could be dropped if their form falters!

I wasn’t looking for an argument just making a simple point. [emoji106]

Don't think you could. Many clubs do not have quality players as backups. Liverpool do in his position.

[The Spaceman]

I saw a couple of weeks ago a Liverpool fan-poll on their greatest ever XI. Funnily enough Andy Robertson was voted in as their greatest ever LB. Overrated though. Give me strength!

[SHODAN]

Another great example of the Scottish cringe is constantly looking for flaws in any world class sportspeople we produce, occasionally with personal hatred for some reason.

[Stuart93]

I saw a couple of weeks ago a Liverpool fan-poll on their greatest ever XI. Funnily enough Andy Robertson was voted in as their greatest ever LB. Overrated though. Give me strength!

Quite incredible

[JimBHibees]

Why would an English team with a German manager give him a pass because he’s Scottish.

Fwiw I agree with the point that he’s going to be playing better for Liverpool than he does for Scotland because he’s got better players around him. He’s still a brilliant footballer.

Absolutely is a brilliant footballer. At Liverpool he looks forward and is passing to Mane or Diaz or has Thiago or can pass back to Van Dijk. At Scotland he is playing it to Dykes or Christie or passing back to McKenna or Hanley, :greengrin

[04Sauzee]

Can't remember if we have been linked with Stuart Findlay in the past but I see he's struggling for game time in the MLS , I'm sure he's a big LCB , can't even mind if he's any good but wonder if he'd consider a move back home or if he's enjoying the lifestyle to much. It does however look like he's on about £7k per week.

[JimBHibees]

Can't remember if we have been linked with Stuart Findlay in the past but I see he's struggling for game time in the MLS , I'm sure he's a big LCB , can't even mind if he's any good but wonder if he'd consider a move back home or if he's enjoying the lifestyle to much. It does however look like he's on about £7k per week.

Thought he was very good at Killie when Clarke was there.

[gbhibby]

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Aberdeen have accepted a £4.5m offer from Liverpool for 18-year-old full-back Calvin Ramsay.
The deal also includes £3m of potential add-ons and a 20% sell-on clause.

Ramsay has agreed a five-year deal with the Anfield side and is set to finalise the move following his medical in the next few days.
Ramsay has made 39 appearances - including 33 last season - for the Scottish Premiership club after rising through the youth ranks.

Doig's fee should be in that region then, more experienced

[easty]

Can't remember if we have been linked with Stuart Findlay in the past but I see he's struggling for game time in the MLS , I'm sure he's a big LCB , can't even mind if he's any good but wonder if he'd consider a move back home or if he's enjoying the lifestyle to much. It does however look like he's on about £7k per week.

I liked him at Killie. I always thought he was fairly similar to Hanlon.

[gbhibby]

Pleased for Wright
Hope he doesn't come back to haunt us.

[Greenworld]

Hope he doesn't come back to haunt us.Lol [emoji38] [emoji1787] [emoji23]

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[Unseen work]

This is not really based on anything is it? We will sign experienced players.

Just based on our signings the past year

Last summer;

David Mitchell
Dan Mackay
Dylan Tait
James Scott
Jake Doyle Hayes
Nathan Wood
Chris Mueller

January

Ewan Henderson
Harry Clarke
Elias Melkersen
Runar Hauge
Demi Mitchell
Rocky Bushiri
Sylvester Jasper
Alan Delferriere

Current window

David Marshall
Lewis Miller
Momodou Bojang
Nonah Kenneh
Jair Tavares

I’d say that’s quite a large amount of signings to prove why I’m not overly optimistic about getting the more experienced guys in and why I’m slightly concerned.

[S4uzee]

Just based on our signings the past year

Last summer;

David Mitchell
Dan Mackay
Dylan Tait
James Scott
Jake Doyle Hayes
Nathan Wood
Chris Mueller

January

Ewan Henderson
Harry Clarke
Elias Melkersen
Runar Hauge
Demi Mitchell
Rocky Bushiri
Sylvester Jasper
Alan Delferriere

Current window

David Marshall
Lewis Miller
Momodou Bojang
Nonah Kenneh
Jair Tavares

I’d say that’s quite a large amount of signings to prove why I’m not overly optimistic about getting the more experienced guys in and why I’m slightly concerned.

A really poor list of players looking at it

[Paul1642]

Doig's fee should be in that region then, more experienced

Unfortunately premiership clubs can slash out for potential over experience. Doig is a good player and if he goes it will be for a good fee but not as much as Ramsay.

[Paul1642]

From Patrick McPartlin

🔙 Hibs have recalled EJ Johnson from his Charleston Battery loan spell. Versatile winger will join up with the development squad

https://t.co/E3ytEasqkV


Also saying the deal for McClelland would be for the development squad

This is the by far the most serious I have ever seen us take the development squad. Bodes well for the future. It’s the model lots of good European clubs who don’t quite have unlimited budgets such as Ajax employ.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Just based on our signings the past year

Last summer;

David Mitchell
Dan Mackay
Dylan Tait
James Scott
Jake Doyle Hayes
Nathan Wood
Chris Mueller

January

Ewan Henderson
Harry Clarke
Elias Melkersen
Runar Hauge
Demi Mitchell
Rocky Bushiri
Sylvester Jasper
Alan Delferriere

Current window

David Marshall
Lewis Miller
Momodou Bojang
Nonah Kenneh
Jair Tavares

I’d say that’s quite a large amount of signings to prove why I’m not overly optimistic about getting the more experienced guys in and why I’m slightly concerned.

It's a horrendous list sadly, we can only hope the latest unknown quantities at the bottom somehow buck the trend.

[PaulSmith]

A really poor list of players looking at it

It’s terrible.

If that was a list of players signed by Aberdeen or Hearts we’d be pissin ourselves at such a scatter gun approach.

You’ll be called a panic merchant but the evidence is there in black and white that since Ian Gordon became our Head of Recruitment there’s only a certain type of player that he’ll sanction and they are mostly all punts.

As it stands this squad is easily bottom six. As there’s still no one to score goals, central defence is honking and centre midfield isn’t much better.

I’m still hopeful that these areas will be addressed but likewise Jack Ross was hopeful that we’d sign a centre half around this time last year and none were delivered.

[Unseen work]

A really poor list of players looking at it

Really bad, the odd not bad player in there or one with potential but having finished 3rd and made cup finals we badly needed to strengthen and we never.

You see some players teams around us have signed/signing like Hearts and Dundee United and whilst they may not be the most exciting they come in and do a job.

The annoying this is under Ross we were doing that with McGinn, Docherty, Murphy, Cadden, Gogic and Irvine etc

Our next couple for me have to be quality.

[GreenGray]

Another great example of the Scottish cringe is constantly looking for flaws in any world class sportspeople we produce, occasionally with personal hatred for some reason.

Spot on, the supposed “lash” he had, a few beers on a bus. Scots love bringing anyone with a bit of success down for some reason, strange


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[HoboHarry]

Another great example of the Scottish cringe is constantly looking for flaws in any world class sportspeople we produce, occasionally with personal hatred for some reason.
:agree:

[gbhibby]

Unfortunately premiership clubs can slash out for potential over experience. Doig is a good player and if he goes it will be for a good fee but not as much as Ramsay.
Would say that Doig has more potential than Ransay.

[bigwheel]

Would say that Doig has more potential than Ransay.

Think Doig has developed a lot in second part of last season - would see Ramsay’s strength and athleticism may give him a chance to play at a higher level. Both have a good future in their hands (feet) mind you …

[Suburban Hibby]

Think Doig has developed a lot in second part of last season - would see Ramsay’s strength and athleticism may give him a chance to play at a higher level. Both have a good future in their hands (feet) mind you …

I struggle with the clamour for Ramsey- when we played them
At ER he was honking and Lewis Ferguson absolutely tore a strip off him, looked like he wanted to cry. Was right in front of us in the West. Maybe just a bad day but was honking

[erin go bragh]

Hope he doesn't come back to haunt us.

Maybe as a ghost but never on the pitch

[JohnM1875]

I struggle with the clamour for Ramsey- when we played them
At ER he was honking and Lewis Ferguson absolutely tore a strip off him, looked like he wanted to cry. Was right in front of us in the West. Maybe just a bad day but was honking

I think the same, haven't seen him have a good game yet. But like you that is only a handful of games. I do think Doig is a better player.

[bigwheel]

I struggle with the clamour for Ramsey- when we played them
At ER he was honking and Lewis Ferguson absolutely tore a strip off him, looked like he wanted to cry. Was right in front of us in the West. Maybe just a bad day but was honking

Played second half on return from hamstring at first game at ER, wasn’t great in second game..was probably their best player against us up there…he’s a talent. I’ve no doubt about that…lots of development in them both…think Ramsay will go further in his career..hope they both do well tbh…

[gbhibby]

I think the same, haven't seen him have a good game yet. But like you that is only a handful of games. I do think Doig is a better player.
We should be talking up our players look at the fees paid for Ramsay and Patterson,these fees have set a benchmark as far as I'm concerned.

[davhibby]

Can't remember if we have been linked with Stuart Findlay in the past but I see he's struggling for game time in the MLS , I'm sure he's a big LCB , can't even mind if he's any good but wonder if he'd consider a move back home or if he's enjoying the lifestyle to much. It does however look like he's on about £7k per week.

He’d be a great signing. Were we not linked with him in January?

[HoboHarry]

I think the same, haven't seen him have a good game yet. But like you that is only a handful of games. I do think Doig is a better player.
I struggle with that though, time and again we big up our own young players (and rightly so) but....... the big clubs are coming after everybody else's young players except ours. Ramsay had one season and he's off to one of the best clubs in the world. Villa have just captured a youngster from Sevco, Newcastle are currently after a young Kilmarnock player etc etc etc....

[Since452]

Lol [emoji38] [emoji1787] [emoji23]

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Big game player. Goals against the Huns and Hearts

[Iain G]

It’s terrible.

If that was a list of players signed by Aberdeen or Hearts we’d be pissin ourselves at such a scatter gun approach.

You’ll be called a panic merchant but the evidence is there in black and white that since Ian Gordon became our Head of Recruitment there’s only a certain type of player that he’ll sanction and they are mostly all punts.

As it stands this squad is easily bottom six. As there’s still no one to score goals, central defence is honking and centre midfield isn’t much better.

I’m still hopeful that these areas will be addressed but likewise Jack Ross was hopeful that we’d sign a centre half around this time last year and none were delivered.

Ian Gordon doesn't "sanction" any kind of singings, the manager is the one that says yes, this has been done to death... 🙄

[Big_Franck]

Ian Gordon doesn't "sanction" any kind of singings, the manager is the one that says yes, this has been done to death... 🙄

Aye, but who would believe you :greengrin

[Iain G]

Aye, but who would believe you :greengrin

The tooth fairy, Santa, Jesus and Filled Rolls 😁

[Greencore]

Ian Gordon doesn't "sanction" any kind of singings, the manager is the one that says yes, this has been done to death... 🙄

At Sunderland he had no say in transfers. Just saying.

[Paul1642]

I struggle with that though, time and again we big up our own young players (and rightly so) but....... the big clubs are coming after everybody else's young players except ours. Ramsay had one season and he's off to one of the best clubs in the world. Villa have just captured a youngster from Sevco, Newcastle are currently after a young Kilmarnock player etc etc etc....

This. It’s 100% a great thing that we give out young players plaudits but I think we do get a bit carried away at times which is proven when it comes to transfer time. We also give John McGinn the same treatment with some folk thinking Real Madrid will be in for him any day now.

[Dmas]

At Sunderland he had no say in transfers. Just saying.


If the club comms are to be taken at face value for things like Rocky signing they can be taken the same way when announcing a manager eh?

“We wanted a manager that would lead on recruitment and have a strong pool of knowledge in that area. He shares similar levels of ambitions for the Football Club and will instil a winning culture at Hibernian FC.
“We will support him in the transfer window, so he can put his own stamp on the squad as we look forward to, what will hopefully be a really successful 2022/23 campaign.

[hibees 7062]

At Sunderland he had no say in transfers. Just saying.
Ian Gordon ?

[PaulSmith]

Ian Gordon doesn't "sanction" any kind of singings, the manager is the one that says yes, this has been done to death... [emoji849]

Sanction, set the parameters, encourage the manager.. call it what you want but a blind man can see the change in direction over the last 12 months in our signing policy.

Will it work out for the best, who knows, but right now the evidence (despite the PR that comes out of Hibs) is that if Ian Gordon wants the manager to sign Player Y then we sign Player Y.

Every player signed under Lee Johnson’s so far as come with a quote that “we’ve been tracking him for a while”..absolutely nowt to do with Lee Johnson.

[Iain G]

Sanction, set the parameters, encourage the manager.. call it what you want but a blind man can see the change in direction over the last 12 months in our signing policy.

Will it work out for the best, who knows, but right now the evidence (despite the PR that comes out of Hibs) is that if Ian Gordon wants the manager to sign Player Y then we sign Player Y.

Every player signed under Lee Johnson’s so far as come with a quote that “we’ve been tracking him for a while”..absolutely nowt to do with Lee Johnson.

But not actually sanction!! He brings players to the committee.

[PaulSmith]

But not actually sanction!! He brings players to the committee.

The man who Heads Recruitment (who’s dad owns the club) tracks players for months, thinks that they will return a big profit would allow the Head Coach to veto the signing… I can see that happening right enough.

If you also think that Ben Kensell would go against Ron Gordon on a signing then I give up.

[Eyrie]

The man who Heads Recruitment (who’s dad owns the club) tracks players for months, thinks that they will return a big profit would allow the Head Coach to veto the signing… I can see that happening right enough.

If you also think that Ben Kensell would go against Ron Gordon on a signing then I give up.

I'd be very concerned if we hadn't been tracking targets for months to gain a proper understanding of their abilities and what they can offer.

As long as Johnson gets a list of three or four players we've properly researched that match what he wants, then the system works.

[Heisenberg]

The man who Heads Recruitment (who’s dad owns the club) tracks players for months, thinks that they will return a big profit would allow the Head Coach to veto the signing… I can see that happening right enough.

If you also think that Ben Kensell would go against Ron Gordon on a signing then I give up.

I can absolutely see that happening. Why would LJ join the club when he knows he could get landed with any players and it’s outwith his control? He’d be a total dafty to agree to it.

[Iain G]

The man who Heads Recruitment (who’s dad owns the club) tracks players for months, thinks that they will return a big profit would allow the Head Coach to veto the signing… I can see that happening right enough.

If you also think that Ben Kensell would go against Ron Gordon on a signing then I give up.

We won't sign anyone the manager hasn't agreed to, that's been made very clear

Unless you think LJ is a patsy?

[brog]

Yep, id take my post with a pinch of salt, only posted it because I figured it's worth saying, although as you say Falkirk isn't exactly a club to judge someone on given their state.


Really bad, the odd not bad player in there or one with potential but having finished 3rd and made cup finals we badly needed to strengthen and we never.

You see some players teams around us have signed/signing like Hearts and Dundee United and whilst they may not be the most exciting they come in and do a job.

The annoying this is under Ross we were doing that with McGinn, Docherty, Murphy, Cadden, Gogic and Irvine etc

Our next couple for me have to be quality.

I think you actually make the case for our current policy with your list of "experienced" players above. Docherty, Irvine and Murphy came in on loan. Murphy and Gogic were shipped out before their contracts expired. You can also add Drey Wright to that list. Only McGinn and Cadden have been unqualified successes. I'm more excited about seeing our new signings from Oz, Portugal, Gambia etc than I am in seeing more journeymen from St J and St M.

[Lago]

At Sunderland he had no say in transfers. Just saying.
What's that to do with hibs. Just asking?

[Tyler Durden]

Just based on our signings the past year

Last summer;

David Mitchell
Dan Mackay
Dylan Tait
James Scott
Jake Doyle Hayes
Nathan Wood
Chris Mueller

January

Ewan Henderson
Harry Clarke
Elias Melkersen
Runar Hauge
Demi Mitchell
Rocky Bushiri
Sylvester Jasper
Alan Delferriere

Current window

David Marshall
Lewis Miller
Momodou Bojang
Nonah Kenneh
Jair Tavares

I’d say that’s quite a large amount of signings to prove why I’m not overly optimistic about getting the more experienced guys in and why I’m slightly concerned.

I quoted the part of your post where you said “with every passing day it’s looking less likely” that we’ll sign older/experienced players.

Why is that so? Because we’ve signed young players to begin with in this window?

The manager has talked of the need for experience. Ian Gordon is quoted saying we need experienced players. We will sign experienced players. Time isn’t running out for that. It’s not looking less likely

[Paul1642]

Window is open for a long time yet. We haven’t even returned to pre season yet as far as I know.

[JimBHibees]

Window is open for a long time yet. We haven’t even returned to pre season yet as far as I know.

Indeed

[NC1875]

Back on Saturday I think

[hibees 7062]

Griffiths signing for Broomhill FC

[PaulSmith]

We won't sign anyone the manager hasn't agreed to, that's been made very clear

Unless you think LJ is a patsy?


It’s been made very clear in every Press Release, I just can’t see how anyone can look at that list of players and come to the conclusion that they were Jack Ross, Maloney and now LJ first or even tenth choice.


On LJ being a patsy.. Not at all and I sincerely hope that the balance is addressed as for the last 12 months it seems sensible to conclude that the vast majority are players identified by IG.

If LJ has a greater say then brilliant, we’ll all be happy.

Until the evidence presents itself I’ll remain unconvinced that the current recruitment strategy being led by IG is one that’s best for our club.

[Paul1642]

Griffiths signing for Broomhill FC

But could he still do a job for us? ;)

[1875Sean]

Tsimikas' end delivery is better than Robertson's. I suspect Robertson will become more of a squad player next season.

Robbo currently has the 2nd most assists in premier league history by any fullback, 4 away from Baines. Tsimikas must have some delivery

[CapitalGreen]

Robbo currently has the 2nd most assists in premier league history by any fullback, 4 away from Baines. Tsimikas must have some delivery

He certainly does. Tsimikas has made an assist every 323 minutes for Liverpool compared to an assist every 375 minutes for Robbo.

Both are world class attacking left backs who Liverpool are lucky to have acquired relatively cheaply.

[Smartie]

I quoted the part of your post where you said “with every passing day it’s looking less likely” that we’ll sign older/experienced players.

Why is that so? Because we’ve signed young players to begin with in this window?

The manager has talked of the need for experience. Ian Gordon is quoted saying we need experienced players. We will sign experienced players. Time isn’t running out for that. It’s not looking less likely

This regime doesn’t exactly have a great track record of giving the manager what he’s asked for though.

[B.H.F.C]

I quoted the part of your post where you said “with every passing day it’s looking less likely” that we’ll sign older/experienced players.

Why is that so? Because we’ve signed young players to begin with in this window?

The manager has talked of the need for experience. Ian Gordon is quoted saying we need experienced players. We will sign experienced players. Time isn’t running out for that. It’s not looking less likely

Without moving players on, I don’t see us doing too much more in terms of getting the quality and experience we need in key positions. We actually have a fair bit of experience dotted about but there’s question marks over how much we’re going to get from them IMO. Players we have give us a bigger problem than the players we don’t, at the moment IMO, because they all have good contracts and we can’t just keep adding.

[Gordy M]

It’s been made very clear in every Press Release, I just can’t see how anyone can look at that list of players and come to the conclusion that they were Jack Ross, Maloney and now LJ first or even tenth choice.


On LJ being a patsy.. Not at all and I sincerely hope that the balance is addressed as for the last 12 months it seems sensible to conclude that the vast majority are players identified by IG.

If LJ has a greater say then brilliant, we’ll all be happy.

Until the evidence presents itself I’ll remain unconvinced that the current recruitment strategy being led by IG is one that’s best for our club.

If what you say is true, why wouldnt IG want to sign experienced or good players? Surely the more success we have, its better for everyone?

[PaulSmith]

If what you say is true, why wouldnt IG want to sign experienced or good players? Surely the more success we have, its better for everyone?

I agree and sometimes wonder myself why we continue to sign very similar types of players as sporting success is as key to Ron’s vision as selling on players.

Perhaps it’s as simple as IG is not the right man to be heading up Recruitment and he’s unable, or unwilling, to change.

Hearts recruitment, and success, has got evidently better since they binned Levein for someone who actually knew what he’s doing.

Just saying.

[J-C]

At Sunderland he had no say in transfers. Just saying.


Sunderland is not Hibs, run differently.

[Gordy M]

I agree and sometimes wonder myself why we continue to sign very similar types of players as sporting success is as key to Ron’s vision as selling on players.

Perhaps it’s as simple as IG is not the right man to be heading up Recruitment and he’s unable, or unwilling, to change.

Hearts recruitment, and success, has got evidently better since they binned Levein for someone who actually knew what he’s doing.

Just saying.

Yeh im not sure all the signings lie with IG. That just doesnt make any sense. Has JR or SM come out and said that was the case? I dont think they have? Which would suggest to me that both had a large say in who we were recruiting at the time they were managers.

What i would say, is that i dont think we always get who we are after and that leaves us scrabbling about to get folk in.

[Hibees1973]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an effin' farce.

[MWHIBBIES]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an elfin' farce.

If you sign 10 aimless punts, are they actually aimless punts, or is there a plan in place?

Not saying I agree with this strategy, but the aim is very clear.

[HoboHarry]

Griffiths signing for Broomhill FC
Gawd almighty. Celtic to Broomhill in a year. :confused:

[Since452]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an elfin' farce.

Bit early to be calling it a farce?

[J-C]

Just based on our signings the past year

Last summer;

David Mitchell
Dan Mackay
Dylan Tait
James Scott
Jake Doyle Hayes
Nathan Wood
Chris Mueller

January

Ewan Henderson
Harry Clarke
Elias Melkersen
Runar Hauge
Demi Mitchell
Rocky Bushiri
Sylvester Jasper
Alan Delferriere

Current window

David Marshall
Lewis Miller
Momodou Bojang
Nonah Kenneh
Jair Tavares

I’d say that’s quite a large amount of signings to prove why I’m not overly optimistic about getting the more experienced guys in and why I’m slightly concerned.


It’s been made very clear in every Press Release, I just can’t see how anyone can look at that list of players and come to the conclusion that they were Jack Ross, Maloney and now LJ first or even tenth choice.


On LJ being a patsy.. Not at all and I sincerely hope that the balance is addressed as for the last 12 months it seems sensible to conclude that the vast majority are players identified by IG.

If LJ has a greater say then brilliant, we’ll all be happy.

Until the evidence presents itself I’ll remain unconvinced that the current recruitment strategy being led by IG is one that’s best for our club.

The men responsible in the summer signings have both lost their jobs, Mathie and Ross, the January signings were to tide us over until this summer, unfortunately we had a manger that was horrendous and we ended up bottom 6.

The window has been open for a whole week, we've signed a good experienced keeper and some young exciting players with big potential, I'm pretty sure LJ is still looking for better players but at least give him a chance, the panicking on here at times is ludicrous.

[Pretty Green]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an elfin' farce.

Bore fwst

[Pretty Green]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an elfin' farce.

Bore fest

[PaulSmith]

The men responsible in the summer signings have both lost their jobs, Mathie and Ross, the January signings were to tide us over until this summer, unfortunately we had a manger that was horrendous and we ended up bottom 6.

The window has been open for a whole week, we've signed a good experienced keeper and some young exciting players with big potential, I'm pretty sure LJ is still looking for better players but at least give him a chance, the panicking on here at times is ludicrous.

I don’t see anyone panicking at all. I read Hibs fans that look at signings over the period that IG has been in role and unless I’m missing something the majority have some concerns?

I’ve read on here about people panicking during transfer widows for years and there’s always those that come on and say it’ll be fine… one day they’ll be right and let’s hope it’s this summer.

[J-C]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an elfin' farce.


You realise the window has been open a week and it closes on Sept 1, that's in 11 weeks time ffs.

[Dalianwanda]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an elfin' farce.

They've been kinda clear on their aim so not sure how you can say aimless.....Whether the plan works is another thing. Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what happens...

[J-C]

I don’t see anyone panicking at all. I read Hibs fans that look at signings over the period that IG has been in role and unless I’m missing something the majority have some concerns?

I’ve read on here about people panicking during transfer widows for years and there’s always those that come on and say it’ll be fine… one day they’ll be right and let’s hope it’s this summer.


Mathie and Ross were in charge during last summer and both got sacked, which tells it's own story, January is notably always a poor time to strengthen and it was the same this time, our problem was a very stubborn not overly well liked young manager and his not well liked number 2.

[wookie70]

Griffiths signing for Broomhill FC
Not convinced he will be a good signing for them. It is a crying shame how his career has went. Watched him play at the local Gala Day a week or so ago and was probably the worst player on the park. Watched him a few times last year for Falkirk and Dundee and he just looks like he doesn't enjoy playing anymore. Hope his mental Health improves and he still has plenty in the bank to enjoy his life

[Smartie]

I get why folk are urging patience, and this early in the window that is undoubtedly the sensible choice.

But can those who are happily chilled out understand why some folk are freaking, and can they accept that the club haven’t exactly earned our trust and patience when it comes to the summer transfer window?

[Unseen work]

I quoted the part of your post where you said “with every passing day it’s looking less likely” that we’ll sign older/experienced players.

Why is that so? Because we’ve signed young players to begin with in this window?

The manager has talked of the need for experience. Ian Gordon is quoted saying we need experienced players. We will sign experienced players. Time isn’t running out for that. It’s not looking less likely

My point was that every day it’s a new 20 year old being linked/signed that is virtually untested and our signings over the past year show it’s becoming a bit of a trend.

I hope the board aren’t blind to the fact they need some players in if wuality and experience.

[Gordy M]

I get why folk are urging patience, and this early in the window that is undoubtedly the sensible choice.

But can those who are happily chilled out understand why some folk are freaking, and can they accept that the club haven’t exactly earned our trust and patience when it comes to the summer transfer window?

I would be if the other teams in the league were signing players, they arent at the mo. That tells me the market hasnt started moving yet, if we dont make signings when it does, then maybe cause for concern.

[JimBHibees]

I agree and sometimes wonder myself why we continue to sign very similar types of players as sporting success is as key to Ron’s vision as selling on players.

Perhaps it’s as simple as IG is not the right man to be heading up Recruitment and he’s unable, or unwilling, to change.

Hearts recruitment, and success, has got evidently better since they binned Levein for someone who actually knew what he’s doing.

Just saying.

Because we aren't just signing for first team but development team also

[PaulSmith]

Mathie and Ross were in charge during last summer and both got sacked, which tells it's own story, January is notably always a poor time to strengthen and it was the same this time, our problem was a very stubborn not overly well liked young manager and his not well liked number 2.

Mathie and LD, with the financial backing of Ron or the Boyle money, would be an upgrade on Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell.

[blackpoolhibs]

I get why folk are urging patience, and this early in the window that is undoubtedly the sensible choice.

But can those who are happily chilled out understand why some folk are freaking, and can they accept that the club haven’t exactly earned our trust and patience when it comes to the summer transfer window?
Numerous trips to hampden 3rd place finish, Europe more often than we've had in years, but of course we finished bottom 6 last season, so the wrist slitters are freaking out.

We are about 3 players short of having a good squad and a squad that will get us challenging for Europe again. The manager knows what he wants, and the time to question things is at the end of the window if he's not got those players we need.

[PaulSmith]

Because we aren't just signing for first team but development team also

Wonder why no other club, that I’m aware of, is buying 20/21 year olds on 3-4 year contracts and then use them in friendlies against English under 23 teams in the hope that they develop into players capable of playing at the top end of the SPFL on a regular basis.

I like the theory but in reality if they aren’t ready now then they never will be.

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t see anyone panicking at all. I read Hibs fans that look at signings over the period that IG has been in role and unless I’m missing something the majority have some concerns?

I’ve read on here about people panicking during transfer widows for years and there’s always those that come on and say it’ll be fine… one day they’ll be right and let’s hope it’s this summer.

“One day they’ll be right”

You’re talking like there have been no good signings for years. We finished 3rd just over a year ago. It’s not been perfect by any means but we have made some excellent signings in the last 3-4 seasons.

Don’t get me wrong, last season felt absolutely horrendous. But I think some people have lost all perspective about the squad we have. A new coach and some quality new signings (young and old) can change things quickly

[Gordy M]

Mathie and LD, with the financial backing of Ron or the Boyle money, would be an upgrade on Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell.

Id suggest that LJ has a better record in the transfer market than our last 2 managers

[bingo70]

I get why folk are urging patience, and this early in the window that is undoubtedly the sensible choice.

But can those who are happily chilled out understand why some folk are freaking, and can they accept that the club haven’t exactly earned our trust and patience when it comes to the summer transfer window?

I can’t speak for anybody else but for me, no, I don’t get the lack of patience.

LJ is an experienced manager and will know what we know about the need for experience in the squad.

[thebausburst]

Apart from David Marshall, every signing so far in this window seems to me like an aimless punt. There have already been loads like this signed by Ron's son and his recruitment team in the previous 2 windows. We are burning money.

We need experienced, quality players aged between 24 - 28, who have played consistently (50 - 70) games, at a comparable level to us over the last two seasons. The only way we will improve on last years debacle is to get first team replacements.

From the players signed so far, only Marshall has the pedigree and experience to replace the current first team player we have for that position. Know Marshall is 37 but he is way better than Macey and should be our goalie for the next 2 seasons at least.

Some people on here are saying we will sign experienced players. What size of a squad are we going to have if/when we sign even more.

I agree with a couple of posts already that the role of Ian Gordon seems to be dictatorial. Him and his dad have already fired numerous people at the club.

What an effin' farce.

This 100% anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand, I’m very worried.

[cameronw-hfc]

Wonder why no other club, that I’m aware of, is buying 20/21 year olds on 3-4 year contracts and then use them in friendlies against English under 23 teams in the hope that they develop into players capable of playing at the top end of the SPFL on a regular basis.

I like the theory but in reality if they aren’t ready now then they never will be.


Pretty blatantly wrong there. Jamie Vardy, Lucas Toni, Aduriz, Rami, Kane, Blind, Illic, Lambert(english one), Di Natale, Ian Wright, Immobile.

That's just a small list of players that didn't burst out until over the age of 22. Some were nearly in their 30s before really making a name and all are a lot higher level than we could wish for, so yeah, pretty blatantly false there.

Players usually come into their own during their twenties, we've been spoiled with a few kids making it and now think that's the norm, it isn't.

[JohnM1875]

Griffiths signing for Broomhill FC

No ****ing way! Surely he's not signing for a lowland league team?!

[Paul1642]

This 100% anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand, I’m very worried.

You still wetting yourself with excitement about Shankland signing for Hearts?

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t remember Craig Rocastle, David Murphy, Dean Shiels, Benji for example being described as “aimless punts”.

But crack on guys.

[thebausburst]

You still wetting yourself with excitement about Shankland signing for Hearts?

🛎🔚

[WeeRussell]

I can’t speak for anybody else but for me, no, I don’t get the lack of patience.

LJ is an experienced manager and will know what we know about the need for experience in the squad.

Well, you can speak for me too bingo.

[PaulSmith]

Pretty blatantly wrong there. Jamie Vardy, Lucas Toni, Aduriz, Rami, Kane, Blind, Illic, Lambert(english one), Di Natale, Ian Wright, Immobile.

That's just a small list of players that didn't burst out until over the age of 22. Some were nearly in their 30s before really making a name and all are a lot higher level than we could wish for, so yeah, pretty blatantly false there.

Players usually come into their own during their twenties, we've been spoiled with a few kids making it and now think that's the norm, it isn't.

That would be relevant if the players that you listed above were all still playing reserve football at 21/22, rather than what I suspect which was that they were still playing first team football albeit in a lower league?

[Paul1642]

🛎🔚

Yam

[Mr. Wonderful]

I don’t remember Craig Rocastle, David Murphy, Dean Shiels, Benji for example being described as “aimless punts”.

But crack on guys.

You might have a point about those players but the fact that you've had to go back about 17 years to find successful ones kinda proves the man's point more than it does yours

[B.H.F.C]

I can’t speak for anybody else but for me, no, I don’t get the lack of patience.

LJ is an experienced manager and will know what we know about the need for experience in the squad.

I think the issue is more that folk are concerned by what they perceive as a lack of quality in the current squad, rather than being impatient.

Numbers in the squad aren’t that bad. Nearly everybody agrees we need a central midfielder, even though we’ve already got six. Most folk would say we need another striker, even though we’ve got four.

I don’t actually disagree that we’re not a million miles away, if you could just empty a few players in key positions and bring a new one in. The way we’ve dished out contracts, I’m just not sure how easy that’ll be. We’ve got umpteen midfielders sitting with three year contracts, for example, despite being abysmal in midfield.

[bingo70]

I think the issue is more that folk are concerned by what they perceive as a lack of quality in the current squad, rather than being impatient.

Numbers in the squad aren’t that bad. Nearly everybody agrees we need a central midfielder, even though we’ve already got six. Most folk would say we need another striker, even though we’ve got four.

I don’t actually disagree that we’re not a million miles away, if you could just empty a few players in key positions and bring a new one in. The way we’ve dished out contracts, I’m just sure how easy that’ll be. We’ve got umpteen midfielders sitting with three year contracts, for example, despite being abysmal in midfield.

Yeah, if we were approaching transfer deadline day or the season starting I’d be concerned about that too, but we’re not. Sure we’d like to have all our transfer business done already but that’s not realistic.

[04Sauzee]

I can’t speak for anybody else but for me, no, I don’t get the lack of patience.

LJ is an experienced manager and will know what we know about the need for experience in the squad.

Exactly the window has only just creaked open.

[thebausburst]

Yam

🫵🍆💦

[Callum_62]

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[Iain G]

This 100% anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand, I’m very worried.

Sorry couldn't hear you, had sand in my ears ... 🤣

[PaulSmith]

I think the issue is more that folk are concerned by what they perceive as a lack of quality in the current squad, rather than being impatient.

Numbers in the squad aren’t that bad. Nearly everybody agrees we need a central midfielder, even though we’ve already got six. Most folk would say we need another striker, even though we’ve got four.

I don’t actually disagree that we’re not a million miles away, if you could just empty a few players in key positions and bring a new one in. The way we’ve dished out contracts, I’m just not sure how easy that’ll be. We’ve got umpteen midfielders sitting with three year contracts, for example, despite being abysmal in midfield.

Very well said.

[Greencore]

What's that to do with hibs. Just asking?

It links in with how people are convinced ian Gordon and his team make the signings not the manager.

[Since452]

LJ said young players who were desperate for first team football were easier to sign early in the window. It doesn't come as a colossal shock that we're signing young players early in the window. He's made it pretty clear how he wants his squad to shape up. We're one week in to the transfer window with what? 10/11 weeks to go before it shuts?

[Tyler Durden]

You might have a point about those players but the fact that you've had to go back about 17 years to find successful ones kinda proves the man's point more than it does yours

We’ve not been great at finding these young guys in recent years. Doesn’t mean they aren’t out there. Hearts and Dundee Utd found great examples last season.

As others have pointed out, Ian Gordon has only been in charge for one window so this complaint that we’ve been poor in the market for years cannot be aimed at him.

[J-C]

That would be relevant if the players that you listed above were all still playing reserve football at 21/22, rather than what I suspect which was that they were still playing first team football albeit in a lower league?


Vardy was 23 when he signed for Halifax in the Northern Premier league, and then Fleetwood in the Conference before moving to Leicester in 2012 aged 25.

[Unseen work]

I don’t remember Craig Rocastle, David Murphy, Dean Shiels, Benji for example being described as “aimless punts”.

But crack on guys.

I think the main point folk are getting at though is we signed other players along with youngsters.

They had guys like

Boozy - Played a lot of games for Le Harve and Beauvais before joining at the age of 25

Michael Stewart - Played for Man United, Hearts and Nottingham Forrest before joining at the age of 24.

Rob Jones - Played loads of games for lower league English teams and joined us at the age of 27

Etc etc

Even when Caldwell had signed permanently he had a decent amount of games under his belt at a first team level.


No one from what I can see has issues with the individual signings. It’s the amount of them and then the lack of more experienced and quality players to help them.

[Lago]

It links in with how people are convinced ian Gordon and his team make the signings not the manager.
Sorry don't see even the weakness link.

[LeithMike]

Robertson is overrated IMO. He gets a pass as he's Scottish.

He plays in an exceptional Liverpool team where good players can be made to look outstanding by the truly world class players in the side.

He's a good player that's without question, but his performances for Scotland show that he's a guy who's been elevated by his teammates, rather than a player who elevates his teammates, which is what the truly world class players do.I can see the logic in your view. Robertson was poor towards the end of the season and offered very little in the Champions league final and made very few forward runs. I think he was exhausted though and when he's fresh and flying down the wind there are few better full backs and he has great delivery.

I think Liverpool as a team suffer towards the end of the season due their high intensity play. Hopefully Kopp can get them peaking at the right time next season.

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[Greencore]

Sorry don't see even the weakness link.

I don't care 🤣

[Tyler Durden]

I think the issue is more that folk are concerned by what they perceive as a lack of quality in the current squad, rather than being impatient.

Numbers in the squad aren’t that bad. Nearly everybody agrees we need a central midfielder, even though we’ve already got six. Most folk would say we need another striker, even though we’ve got four.

I don’t actually disagree that we’re not a million miles away, if you could just empty a few players in key positions and bring a new one in. The way we’ve dished out contracts, I’m just not sure how easy that’ll be. We’ve got umpteen midfielders sitting with three year contracts, for example, despite being abysmal in midfield.

It’s a valid concern but personally I don’t think it’ll be that tough to navigate. Campbell and Tait for example can easily be loaned out and we recoup most of their wage. JDH probably stays as a squad player.

If we want to let Doidge go, I don’t think he’ll be short of clubs who would match his wage down south.

All those type of moves tend to happen towards the end of the window. So we probably do need to run the risk of carrying a bigger squad and wage bill but I think Ron Gordon is prepared for that.

[J-C]

I think the main point folk are getting at though is we signed other players along with youngsters.

They had guys like

Boozy - Played a lot of games for Le Harve and Beauvais before joining at the age of 25

Michael Stewart - Played for Man United, Hearts and Nottingham Forrest before joining at the age of 24.

Rob Jones - Played loads of games for lower league English teams and joined us at the age of 27

Etc etc

Even when Caldwell had signed permanently he had a decent amount of games under his belt at a first team level.


No one from what I can see has issues with the individual signings. It’s the amount of them and then the lack of more experienced and quality players to help them.

You realise we have a development team playing this season.

[CapitalGreen]

Wonder why no other club, that I’m aware of, is buying 20/21 year olds on 3-4 year contracts and then use them in friendlies against English under 23 teams in the hope that they develop into players capable of playing at the top end of the SPFL on a regular basis.

I like the theory but in reality if they aren’t ready now then they never will be.

Just looking at last seasons first team squad, from it McGregor, Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle would not have been deemed capable of playing at top end of the SPFL level on a regular basis when they were 20/21.

- McGregor was at Cowdenbeath.
- Doidge was in the Welsh leagues with Barry Town.
- Nisbet was struggling to get a game for a poor Partick team.
- Boyle was a bit part player for Dundee in the Championship/Bottom of the Prem.

If we look at Hearts much discussed transfer business, neither Forrest or Shankland established themselves as SPFL level players until they hit their mid-20’s. Looking at the rest of their squad, Boyce was playing in the Northern Irish League, MacKay Steven was in Fulham’s reserves, McKay a bit part player for some of the worst Rangers teams in their history while Halkett never even made an appearance for Rangers.

The idea that if a players isn’t yet capable at 20/21 of being a top end SPFL level player then they never will be is quite frankly nonsense.

[Unseen work]

You realise we have a development team playing this season.

You think Bojang, Kenneh and Tavares are signing for the development team?

[Tyler Durden]

I think the main point folk are getting at though is we signed other players along with youngsters.

They had guys like

Boozy - Played a lot of games for Le Harve and Beauvais before joining at the age of 25

Michael Stewart - Played for Man United, Hearts and Nottingham Forrest before joining at the age of 24.

Rob Jones - Played loads of games for lower league English teams and joined us at the age of 27

Etc etc

Even when Caldwell had signed permanently he had a decent amount of games under his belt at a first team level.


No one from what I can see has issues with the individual signings. It’s the amount of them and then the lack of more experienced and quality players to help them.

Our current first team is going to include at least 5/6 of Porto, Hanlon, Magennis, Cadden, Mitchell, Newell, Clarke, Marshall, Doidge.

I guess it then boils down to whether you rate the above or write them off after one bad season. And whether you believe we will sign more experienced bodies.

[bingo70]

You think Bojang, Kenneh and Tavares are signing for the development team?

I think Bojang is.

[WeeRussell]

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[Dunbar Hibee]

I think Bojang is.

Would be pretty pointless IMO.

[andrew70]

I think Bojang is.

Not loaning someone for a development team. Let’s develop someone else’s player. Seen some nonsense on here but this is up there.

[bingo70]

Would be pretty pointless IMO.

Why? It’s to let us get a closer look at him before deciding if we want to sign him permanently.

At the very least it’ll take him months for him to get used to Scottish football.

[bingo70]

Not loaning someone for a development team. Let’s develop someone else’s player. Seen some nonsense on here but this is up there.

The development team is still part of the club, he’ll be involved with that side a lot so we can get a closer look at him tk decide if we want him permanently or not.

[B.H.F.C]

Our current first team is going to include at least 5/6 of Porto, Hanlon, Magennis, Cadden, Mitchell, Newell, Clarke, Marshall, Doidge.

I guess it then boils down to whether you rate the above or write them off after one bad season. And whether you believe we will sign more experienced bodies.

Or whether you think we can rely on some of them to be fit and available (Magennis, Mitchell, Doidge). Fair chance Porteous isn’t here as well.

Of that list I’m only confident of Marshall and Hanlon appearing in the majority of our games next year. Probably Cadden as well actually, although I think he’ll have a fight on his hands to be first pick.

[WeeRussell]

Robertson is overrated IMO. He gets a pass as he's Scottish.

He plays in an exceptional Liverpool team where good players can be made to look outstanding by the truly world class players in the side.

He's a good player that's without question, but his performances for Scotland show that he's a guy who's been elevated by his teammates, rather than a player who elevates his teammates, which is what the truly world class players do.

Gary Neville said more than once after this season that Andy Robertson is the best full back in that league “by a mile”.

I disagreed with him, so did Carragher (about the mile bit).. but I value Neville’s football opinions more than Carragher’s and my own 😁

I’d agree that it’s pretty outrageous to suggest Andy Robertson will become a squad player this coming season.

[04Sauzee]

Not loaning someone for a development team. Let’s develop someone else’s player. Seen some nonsense on here but this is up there.

Not really nonsense though , we have him for a year to see how he adjusts to Scottish football. If he does well he gets in the first team squad if he doesn't we have time to see if he can be a Hibs player going forward. It's not that crazy a suggestion.

[cameronw-hfc]

That would be relevant if the players that you listed above were all still playing reserve football at 21/22, rather than what I suspect which was that they were still playing first team football albeit in a lower league?


Well it is relevant, regardless. Does it really matter if they were playing reserve football or non league/lower league? At the end of the day, none of them were out and out regulars by the age of 20-22, they all came into it later. Kane was laughed out of a few loan moves for being absolutely chronic before he got a chance in the Spurs team.

Vardy was playing non-league football in his 20s, you're looking for reasons to moan about Hibs, have some patience and support the team rather than critiquing everything they do.

Most of the signings so far have been pretty obviously LJs to anyone thats paying attention to his comments, the development team is set up to work in the same way the likes of Basel, Ajax and other big team's without mega rich owners.

You're having a go at a system that's used elsewhere to great success, however we need to supplement with friendlies rather than league games as the SPFL are 80 years behind the test of the world as usual and don't have a league for U23s to play in that doesn't get in the way of the Lowland League, which btw, didn't seem to help much when we had a season or two in it before.

[SaulGoodman]

Has it even been confirmed what Ian Gordon’s role is? People making it sound like he’s scouting plus signing the players..

Would it not be a case of the manager or scouts say we should sign this boy, Ian okays it and makes the moves and agrees the terms or knocks it back?

That’s what I would imagine a “head of recruitment” does.

[Scotty Leither]

Has it even been confirmed what Ian Gordon’s role is? People making it sound like he’s scouting plus signing the players..

Would it not be a case of the manager or scouts say we should sign this boy, Ian okays it and makes the moves and agrees the terms or knocks it back?

That’s what I would imagine a “head of recruitment” does.

Meuller was 100% Ian Gordon’s signing with no input from the manager as to whether he wanted him or not, despite the “signing by committee” guff that was spouted.

We’re too big a club in Scottish terms to be some kind of experiment for a 30-year old guy who has no proven pedigree in signing players, and that’s why this clutch of unproven youngsters is attracting so much comment.

We’ve got Boyle’s money in the door, 10k and rising sales of season ticket books and good take up of hospitality packages.

It’s not a massive ask for some it to spent on one or two proven players, surely?

[SMAXXA]

Meuller was 100% Ian Gordon’s signing with no input from the manager as to whether he wanted him or not, despite the “signing by committee” guff that was spouted.

We’re too big a club in Scottish terms to be some kind of experiment for a 30-year old guy who has no proven pedigree in signing players, and that’s why this clutch of unproven youngsters is attracting so much comment.

We’ve got Boyle’s money in the door, 10k and rising sales of season ticket books and good take up of hospitality packages.

It’s not a massive ask for some it to spent on one or two proven players, surely?

Jack Rosso didn’t have an input into the Muller signing and re your last point re proven players, it’s the middle of June windows been open a week and runs until September 🙈

[PaulSmith]

Well it is relevant, regardless. Does it really matter if they were playing reserve football or non league/lower league? At the end of the day, none of them were out and out regulars by the age of 20-22, they all came into it later. Kane was laughed out of a few loan moves for being absolutely chronic before he got a chance in the Spurs team.

Vardy was playing non-league football in his 20s, you're looking for reasons to moan about Hibs, have some patience and support the team rather than critiquing everything they do.

Most of the signings so far have been pretty obviously LJs to anyone thats paying attention to his comments, the development team is set up to work in the same way the likes of Basel, Ajax and other big team's without mega rich owners.

You're having a go at a system that's used elsewhere to great success, however we need to supplement with friendlies rather than league games as the SPFL are 80 years behind the test of the world as usual and don't have a league for U23s to play in that doesn't get in the way of the Lowland League, which btw, didn't seem to help much when we had a season or two in it before.

So many holes here I don’t really know where to start..but I’ll try:

Reserve team football is nothing like competitive games.

Highlighting one or two exceptions in the last 15 years doesn’t show a trend.

Supporting the club, financially and attending games, is a million miles away from from having debates on a football message board. I know which one the club pays more attention to.

Every signing made to date the club has been tracking for months prior to LJ.

Comparing Hibs to Ajax and Basel, both hugely successful clubs which turn over tens of millions per year and regularly compete at the higher end of European football, is a stretch. We have limited resources and IMO should be concentrating on pooling all resources towards first team players whilst at the same time ensuring that we have the best academy in Scotland which promotes younger players to the first team.

This idea of a development squad of players pulled from around the world on 3-4 year deals just doesn’t feel right for a club like Hibs. Call it old fashioned thinking if you like but it’ll be interesting how it develops over time.

[Gordy M]

So many holes here I don’t really know where to start..but I’ll try:

Reserve team football is nothing like competitive games.

Highlighting one or two exceptions in the last 15 years doesn’t show a trend.

Supporting the club, financially and attending games, is a million miles away from from having debates on a football message board. I know which one the club pays more attention to.

Every signing made to date the club has been tracking for months prior to LJ.

Comparing Hibs to Ajax and Basel, both hugely successful clubs which turn over tens of millions per year and regularly compete at the higher end of European football, is a stretch. We have limited resources and IMO should be concentrating on pooling all resources towards first team players whilst at the same time ensuring that we have the best academy in Scotland which promotes younger players to the first team.

This idea of a development squad of players pulled from around the world on 3-4 year deals just doesn’t feel right for a club like Hibs. Call it old fashioned thinking if you like but it’ll be interesting how it develops over time.

Did you expect recruitment and scouting to just stop when we change managers? Id imagine EVERY player we signed and will sign will be run by LJ, even if they were identified months ago. Im not sure Tavares waa scouted months ago, i think that was a very recent signing.

[PaulSmith]

Has it even been confirmed what Ian Gordon’s role is? People making it sound like he’s scouting plus signing the players..

Would it not be a case of the manager or scouts say we should sign this boy, Ian okays it and makes the moves and agrees the terms or knocks it back?

That’s what I would imagine a “head of recruitment” does.

Surely the Head of Recruitment sets the parameters of what players fit the profile that the club wants, they review feedback from various sources, decide on which ones to pursue, employ the staff, decide which agents and agencies to use, build relationships with other clubs and give the manager the best possible options.

I’m just saying that the structure seems sound but the execution is currently a hot topic.

[McGruber]

Just looking at last seasons first team squad, from it McGregor, Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle would not have been deemed capable of playing at top end of the SPFL level on a regular basis when they were 20/21.

- McGregor was at Cowdenbeath.
- Doidge was in the Welsh leagues with Barry Town.
- Nisbet was struggling to get a game for a poor Partick team.
- Boyle was a bit part player for Dundee in the Championship/Bottom of the Prem.

If we look at Hearts much discussed transfer business, neither Forrest or Shankland established themselves as SPFL level players until they hit their mid-20’s. Looking at the rest of their squad, Boyce was playing in the Northern Irish League, MacKay Steven was in Fulham’s reserves, McKay a bit part player for some of the worst Rangers teams in their history while Halkett never even made an appearance for Rangers.

The idea that if a players isn’t yet capable at 20/21 of being a top end SPFL level player then they never will be is quite frankly nonsense.

I agree with that.
However it highlights the concern aswell, we're not likely to be getting the best from a large collective of young players. The odd couple yes but in the main they won't be at the top of their game for a few years. We need proven quality in the squad. We do have some older heads and experience however we need better hence improving the team from last season.

There's plenty time of course to address the deficiencies but the concern is there isn't plenty spaces left - the squad is already huge. Some will leave but easier said than done if they aren't going to get a suitable deal elsewhere
.

[PaulSmith]

Did you expect recruitment and scouting to just stop when we change managers? Id imagine EVERY player we signed and will sign will be run by LJ, even if they were identified months ago. Im not sure Tavares waa scouted months ago, i think that was a very recent signing.

Nope, that’s not how the structure of a modern club works. It’s an always-on system and that’s how it should be.

I’m sure every single player we sign is passed to LJ to agree to. That doesn’t mean that it’s the player that he specifically wants or sees as a first team player. He’ll make do with the tools given to him.

On Tavares:

“He’s a player we’ve monitored closely for a period of time and were able to take advantage of a specific clause in his contract”

[Unseen work]

Just looking at last seasons first team squad, from it McGregor, Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle would not have been deemed capable of playing at top end of the SPFL level on a regular basis when they were 20/21.

- McGregor was at Cowdenbeath.
- Doidge was in the Welsh leagues with Barry Town.
- Nisbet was struggling to get a game for a poor Partick team.
- Boyle was a bit part player for Dundee in the Championship/Bottom of the Prem.

If we look at Hearts much discussed transfer business, neither Forrest or Shankland established themselves as SPFL level players until they hit their mid-20’s. Looking at the rest of their squad, Boyce was playing in the Northern Irish League, MacKay Steven was in Fulham’s reserves, McKay a bit part player for some of the worst Rangers teams in their history while Halkett never even made an appearance for Rangers.

The idea that if a players isn’t yet capable at 20/21 of being a top end SPFL level player then they never will be is quite frankly nonsense.

I don’t think many are doubting they won’t be able to play in the top flight.

But we never signed McGregor from Cowdenbeath, Doidge from Barry Town or Nisbet from Partick.

We signed them after they had proven themselves to be decent players in mens football.

The same goes for hearts, the players they’ve signed have shown they are capable of doing it in this league based on the clubs they were at.

The majority of our signings so far haven’t played mens football yet, it’s still to be seen if they can cope and perform. For example Tavares was compared stat wise to players in a similar position in our league and was bottom/near the bottom for the majority. He only started 6 games so the stats might be flawed but I’d imagine it’s % based so reasonably accurate.

That’s not to say he won’t be good, but probably has a long way to go and will take time to adapt.

[Gordy M]

Nope, that’s not how the structure of a modern club works. It’s an always-on system and that’s how it should be.

I’m sure every single player we sign is passed to LJ to agree to. That doesn’t mean that it’s the player that he specifically wants or sees as a first team player. He’ll make do with the tools given to him.

On Tavares:

“He’s a player we’ve monitored closely for a period of time and were able to take advantage of a specific clause in his contract”

Sorry im not sure what your point is then? You made out that it was a bad thing we signed players that were scouted befor LJ arrived? Now you agree thats the way scouting and recruitment should work?

If LJ agrees to a player, then it lies with him. He is the one picking the team and the way its set up. No point in saying yes if he isnt going to play them? That makes no sense.

The reason i said Tavares was recent was due to the new guy at the club who had connections with Benfica. Maybe not though. What did strike me was how pleased the manager was to get him calling t a 'real coup' due to the amount of teams chasing him. Time will tell.

[tonyrougier123]

Just about every signing we make is classed as a real coup at the moment.
We need these coup signings to start winning football matches.
Obviously when the season starts again.
Still say we need a few in around this squad of potential.
Could be anything from unreal to a disaster at the moment.

As for centre backs realistically who do we think could do a job in there around Scotland,I quite liked the look of tam o’ware at Kelty just now,former partick and Morton player,he’s currently part-time but he could be a decent cheap option 29 good age.
Had his injury woes but still a player in there imo.

[GreenPJ]

Just about every signing we make is classed as a real coup at the moment.
We need these coup signings to start winning football matches.
Obviously when the season starts again.
Still say we need a few in around this squad of potential.
Could be anything from unreal to a disaster at the moment.

As for centre backs realistically who do we think could do a job in there around Scotland,I quite liked the look of tam o’ware at Kelty just now,former partick and Morton player,he’s currently part-time but he could be a decent cheap option 29 good age.
Had his injury woes but still a player in there imo.

So the transfer window has been a disaster because we aren't signing anyone who can shave yet but lets take a punt on someone who is 29, currently part-time and has injury issues and the highest level he has ever played at is Partick Thistle????

[Victor]

This thread is becoming Kickback. LTYF(s)# [emoji3]


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[NAE NOOKIE]

So the transfer window has been a disaster because we aren't signing anyone who can shave yet but lets take a punt on someone who is 29, currently part-time and has injury issues and the highest level he has ever played at is Partick Thistle????

He didn't say it had been a disaster mate, all he did was voice a concern that a lot of us are sharing. Nobody is saying signing promising young players is a bad thing, but it may become a bad thing if the window closes and that's all we've signed. Nobody is saying that's what will happen there's a long way to go yet, but even if they are young players they still need paying and this club has a limited wages budget, we can't spend all of it on 'promise'

[cameronw-hfc]

He didn't say it had been a disaster mate, all he did was voice a concern that a lot of us are sharing. Nobody is saying signing promising young players is a bad thing, but it may become a bad thing if the window closes and that's all we've signed. Nobody is saying that's what will happen there's a long way to go yet, but even if they are young players they still need paying and this club has a limited wages budget, we can't spend all of it on 'promise'


There actually are posters saying it's a bad thing. Maybe not in those exact words but saying kids at 20/22 will never be ready if they aren't now isn't exactly saying it's a good thing.

[tonyrougier123]

So the transfer window has been a disaster because we aren't signing anyone who can shave yet but lets take a punt on someone who is 29, currently part-time and has injury issues and the highest level he has ever played at is Partick Thistle????

Playing below what he can offer a club imo.
I remember him playing for Morton always looked a good steady cb,in his prime now been solid for Kelty for a while,I think his slipped disc issue he had at partick behind him.

As for the transfer window being a disaster I would rather say unbalanced so far to what we need.

The question I was asking also was does anyone think there might be a wee uncut gem we could get in at cb as it’s a position we need to look at.

We’ve signed a few part timers before turned out decent enough.

[Unseen work]

Just about every signing we make is classed as a real coup at the moment.
We need these coup signings to start winning football matches.
Obviously when the season starts again.
Still say we need a few in around this squad of potential.
Could be anything from unreal to a disaster at the moment.

As for centre backs realistically who do we think could do a job in there around Scotland,I quite liked the look of tam o’ware at Kelty just now,former partick and Morton player,he’s currently part-time but he could be a decent cheap option 29 good age.
Had his injury woes but still a player in there imo.

I always rated Liam Lindsay and think he’s likely to be on the move this summer but reading Preston fans reviews they think he’s terrible and just gets sent off.

Other than him the current Lincoln captain Regan Poole has impressed me when I’ve seen him, think he got there player of the season too.

In our own league what about Jack Fitzwater? I’ve never particularly noticed him but a centre half rarely does stand out for me when Hibs are playing as we tend to put it down to our attackers being rubbish 😅 but premiership teams were allegedly interested in him in January.

[tonyrougier123]

I always rated Liam Lindsay and think he’s likely to be on the move this summer but reading Preston fans reviews they think he’s terrible and just gets sent off.

Other than him the current Lincoln captain Regan Poole has impressed me when I’ve seen him, think he got there player of the season too.

In our own league what about Jack Fitzwater? I’ve never particularly noticed him but a centre half rarely does stand out for me when Hibs are playing as we tend to put it down to our attackers being rubbish 😅 but premiership teams were allegedly interested in him in January.

I think Lindsay would be a cracking signing good shout that,think he might have a few clubs after him.
Fitzwater a bit younger but definitely two great shouts.

[Unseen work]

Boy at work is convinced someone Johnson is keen on is Connor Mahoney, recently released from Millwall.

More than likely nonsense but thought I’d share.

[JimBHibees]

Just about every signing we make is classed as a real coup at the moment.
We need these coup signings to start winning football matches.
Obviously when the season starts again.
Still say we need a few in around this squad of potential.
Could be anything from unreal to a disaster at the moment.

As for centre backs realistically who do we think could do a job in there around Scotland,I quite liked the look of tam o’ware at Kelty just now,former partick and Morton player,he’s currently part-time but he could be a decent cheap option 29 good age.
Had his injury woes but still a player in there imo.

Difficult to win games in the middle of the close season. People need to chill and give the club time especially with a new manager in place. The window is open until September, English contracts run until the end of the month. There is absolutely no need to panic at this stage.

[J-C]

I don’t think many are doubting they won’t be able to play in the top flight.

But we never signed McGregor from Cowdenbeath, Doidge from Barry Town or Nisbet from Partick.

We signed them after they had proven themselves to be decent players in mens football.

The same goes for hearts, the players they’ve signed have shown they are capable of doing it in this league based on the clubs they were at.

The majority of our signings so far haven’t played mens football yet, it’s still to be seen if they can cope and perform. For example Tavares was compared stat wise to players in a similar position in our league and was bottom/near the bottom for the majority. He only started 6 games so the stats might be flawed but I’d imagine it’s % based so reasonably accurate.

That’s not to say he won’t be good, but probably has a long way to go and will take time to adapt.


That wasn't the posters point though, these players were in lower league teams until they got their moves to bigger clubs around the age of 22/23 ish.

[JimBHibees]

Has it even been confirmed what Ian Gordon’s role is? People making it sound like he’s scouting plus signing the players..

Would it not be a case of the manager or scouts say we should sign this boy, Ian okays it and makes the moves and agrees the terms or knocks it back?

That’s what I would imagine a “head of recruitment” does.

Think it has been described three or four times more a facilitator role however the proof is in the pudding the signings haven't really been good enough in the last year complicated further with not knowing if players are signed for now or the development team. Absolutely need to be doing better this close season and LJ will have some excellent contacts to get in decent players.

[HH81]

Boy at work is convinced someone Johnson is keen on is Connor Mahoney, recently released from Millwall.

More than likely nonsense but thought I’d share.

Looks like had a few injuries last couple of seasons.

[JimBHibees]

Surely the Head of Recruitment sets the parameters of what players fit the profile that the club wants, they review feedback from various sources, decide on which ones to pursue, employ the staff, decide which agents and agencies to use, build relationships with other clubs and give the manager the best possible options.

I’m just saying that the structure seems sound but the execution is currently a hot topic.

With agreement of the committee including the manager and likely CEO. I see him being given a position profile that the manager would like he provides some options based on that the committee look at options decide whether to pursue any or whether manager has his own options do some further research such as data scouting the player etc then move based on whether commercials are workable. Similar I am assuming to vast majority of clubs.

[Dmas]

Think it has been described three or four times more a facilitator role however the proof is in the pudding the signings haven't really been good enough in the last year complicated further with not knowing if players are signed for now or the development team. Absolutely need to be doing better this close season and LJ will have some excellent contacts to get in decent players.


Hasn’t it been said in the press releases that x player is predominately seen as a B team player first and foremost? I was of the thinking they’ve been quite clear when players have been signed for dev team up to now?

[JimBHibees]

Hasn’t it been said in the press releases that x player is predominately seen as a B team player first and foremost? I was of the thinking they’ve been quite clear when players have been signed for dev team up to now?

I think you are right a few have been announced as that.

[Haymaker]

But could he still do a job for us? ;)

Yes. It's a disgrace we've not got him in.

[Hibernian Verse]

I think you are right a few have been announced as that.

We'd be best not announcing B team signings to stop some people having aneurisms.

[04Sauzee]

I always rated Liam Lindsay and think he’s likely to be on the move this summer but reading Preston fans reviews they think he’s terrible and just gets sent off.

Other than him the current Lincoln captain Regan Poole has impressed me when I’ve seen him, think he got there player of the season too.

In our own league what about Jack Fitzwater? I’ve never particularly noticed him but a centre half rarely does stand out for me when Hibs are playing as we tend to put it down to our attackers being rubbish 😅 but premiership teams were allegedly interested in him in January.

Regarding Fitzwater I know it's always better to watch football with your eyes than go with data but there's an account on twitter who's started doing analysis on new signings. They did some analysis on Hearts new CB and plotted him against defenders in our league and Fitzwater scores badly in all metrics. In saying that Porteous comes out as one of the best defenders in the league when you look at all metrics. Which doesn't surprise me. If you are interested you can see what I'm spraffling about here.

https://twitter.com/LW_scouting/status/1537504708075610115?t=3cFoVc2Inl1tys35KvhBDg&s=19

[MrSmith]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lee-johnsons-bond-aiden-mcgeady-24231950

[Sergio sledge]

Comparing Hibs to Ajax and Basel, both hugely successful clubs which turn over tens of millions per year and regularly compete at the higher end of European football, is a stretch. We have limited resources and IMO should be concentrating on pooling all resources towards first team players whilst at the same time ensuring that we have the best academy in Scotland which promotes younger players to the first team.

This idea of a development squad of players pulled from around the world on 3-4 year deals just doesn’t feel right for a club like Hibs. Call it old fashioned thinking if you like but it’ll be interesting how it develops over time.

The problem with just having a first team squad and then the best academy is that the academy currently finishes at u-18 level and there is a massive gap to first team level from there. Some players might be ready at 18, but for most there is still a bit of development to do and at the minute any that aren't ready have to be released or loaned out to further their development. The club has looked at how to bridge this gap and decided that putting a bit of investment into a development team is the best way to do this and ensure we hang onto any prospects from the academy who might not be quite ready yet. Hearts, Rangers and Celtic have decided they want to try putting a team into the lowland league. Different approaches but one may work, both may work or neither may work we'll see I guess.

Once you've decided to run a development team then you need to get the players for that team, because you can't, and shouldn't, just keep the whole of the u-18s squad if you know some of them aren't good enough and they are going to be playing against u-23 sides in England, they need to be of a certain standard or they'll get hammered every week and their development will be stunted.

So do you sign some journeymen cheap guys one 1 year deals to fill that squad just to keep it turning over or do you sign guys that are a bit higher rated on longer deals that may turn out to be good investments for the future?

[Since452]

Boy at work is convinced someone Johnson is keen on is Connor Mahoney, recently released from Millwall.

More than likely nonsense but thought I’d share.

Sounds too similar to Maloney. Too soon for me. Not finished my medication yet.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Boy at work is convinced someone Johnson is keen on is Connor Mahoney, recently released from Millwall.

More than likely nonsense but thought I’d share.

On paper he looks a really poor signing if true.

Never heard of him though so no idea if he’s any good off the paper!

[Since452]

Just about every signing we make is classed as a real coup at the moment.
We need these coup signings to start winning football matches.
Obviously when the season starts again.
Still say we need a few in around this squad of potential.
Could be anything from unreal to a disaster at the moment.

As for centre backs realistically who do we think could do a job in there around Scotland,I quite liked the look of tam o’ware at Kelty just now,former partick and Morton player,he’s currently part-time but he could be a decent cheap option 29 good age.
Had his injury woes but still a player in there imo.

You've got to be at it. Having a go at signing young lads with lots of potential but thinking we should sign a 29 year old injury prone part timer from Kelty?

[Jakhog1]

Boy at work is convinced someone Johnson is keen on is Connor Mahoney, recently released from Millwall.

More than likely nonsense but thought I’d share.


Would Mahoney be one for the academy?

[I'm_cabbaged]

Would Mahoney be one for the academy?

He’s 25

[Silversand]

Would Mahoney be one for the academy?You need to get off your Hightower re the academy

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[Fergus52]

So many holes here I don’t really know where to start..but I’ll try:

Reserve team football is nothing like competitive games.

Highlighting one or two exceptions in the last 15 years doesn’t show a trend.

Supporting the club, financially and attending games, is a million miles away from from having debates on a football message board. I know which one the club pays more attention to.

Every signing made to date the club has been tracking for months prior to LJ.

Comparing Hibs to Ajax and Basel, both hugely successful clubs which turn over tens of millions per year and regularly compete at the higher end of European football, is a stretch. We have limited resources and IMO should be concentrating on pooling all resources towards first team players whilst at the same time ensuring that we have the best academy in Scotland which promotes younger players to the first team.

This idea of a development squad of players pulled from around the world on 3-4 year deals just doesn’t feel right for a club like Hibs. Call it old fashioned thinking if you like but it’ll be interesting how it develops over time.

Kenneh is our only player we've signed who was been playing in a reserve league?

Bojan, Miller, Tavares have all been playing first time competitive games so I'm not sure what your point is.

Especially when Kenneh is clearly highly regarded, based on the comments of Leeds fans when he left.

[hibsforeurope]

I realise there is plenty time left in the window but Those fixtures will focus the minds. Hearts and Sevco as the 1st 2 home games, no soft start to the season.

[Since452]

I realise there is plenty time left in the window but Those fixtures will focus the minds. Hearts and Sevco as the 1st 2 home games, no soft start to the season.

It should really focus us. I think it's a good thing.

[Scotty Leither]

With the fixtures now out and that mob at home for the first game, I really hope that concentrates the minds of the club of getting as close to our starting eleven ready for the season starting.

That means our signing targets in by the middle of July at the latest, no more laddies for the time being, eh?

[Hibees1973]

I don’t think many are doubting they won’t be able to play in the top flight.

But we never signed McGregor from Cowdenbeath, Doidge from Barry Town or Nisbet from Partick.

We signed them after they had proven themselves to be decent players in mens football.

The same goes for hearts, the players they’ve signed have shown they are capable of doing it in this league based on the clubs they were at.

The majority of our signings so far haven’t played mens football yet, it’s still to be seen if they can cope and perform. For example Tavares was compared stat wise to players in a similar position in our league and was bottom/near the bottom for the majority. He only started 6 games so the stats might be flawed but I’d imagine it’s % based so reasonably accurate.

That’s not to say he won’t be good, but probably has a long way to go and will take time to adapt.

100% this.

Don't mind a one-off gamble on someone with raw, unproven talent. But to sign as many as we have of this ilk is stupid, irresponsible and smacks of dire management.

[badabing67]

Boy at work is convinced someone Johnson is keen on is Connor Mahoney, recently released from Millwall.

More than likely nonsense but thought I’d share.


Was that the guy that was on loan at STJ

[Hibernian Verse]

Was that the guy that was on loan at STJ

No. This guy moved to Millwall in 2019 for 1.1m.

[brog]

So many holes here I don’t really know where to start..but I’ll try:

Reserve team football is nothing like competitive games.

Highlighting one or two exceptions in the last 15 years doesn’t show a trend.

Supporting the club, financially and attending games, is a million miles away from from having debates on a football message board. I know which one the club pays more attention to.

Every signing made to date the club has been tracking for months prior to LJ.

Comparing Hibs to Ajax and Basel, both hugely successful clubs which turn over tens of millions per year and regularly compete at the higher end of European football, is a stretch. We have limited resources and IMO should be concentrating on pooling all resources towards first team players whilst at the same time ensuring that we have the best academy in Scotland which promotes younger players to the first team.

This idea of a development squad of players pulled from around the world on 3-4 year deals just doesn’t feel right for a club like Hibs. Call it old fashioned thinking if you like but it’ll be interesting how it develops over time.

You make some decent points here but I would take issue on a couple.
1. The Ajax and Basle academies didn't happen overnight. We're pretty much starting from scratch 're a development squad so we need to recruit.
2. You say we should be pooling all resources towards 1st team players while at the same time ensuring we have the best academy. I think Hibs would argue that's exactly what we are doing. Including Henderson we've signed 7 players so far and with the (possible) exception of Bojang I would say these are all expected to be 1st team players. The fact that they're youngish, with exception of Marshall, surely shouldn't count against them? After all, 4 of our mainstays last season, Doig, Stevenson, Hanlon and Porteous all started playing regularly in their teens.
I suspect your real concern is 're the quality of these players but TBH I think that's probably because most people on this Board, including me, had never heard of these players. But then a year or so ago no one had heard of Harry Clarke, Charles-Cooke, Simms, Atkinson or Hungbo. Let's give our 'unknowns' a chance.

[King Cosell]

Jason Naismith off to Queen's Park.

[badabing67]

No. This guy moved to Millwall in 2019 for 1.1m.

Cheers.... Just out of interest do you remember the name of the guy that was at loan STJ from Millwall a couple of seasons ago cause that guy was decent

[Tyler Durden]

Cheers.... Just out of interest do you remember the name of the guy that was at loan STJ from Millwall a couple of seasons ago cause that guy was decent

McNamara, the right back?

[easty]

Cheers.... Just out of interest do you remember the name of the guy that was at loan STJ from Millwall a couple of seasons ago cause that guy was decent

McNamara. He played regularly for Millwall last season.

[McGruber]

Would Mahoney be one for the academy?

Very good. I suspect lost on the under 30's though!

[bingo70]

https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1537726469945929729?s=21&t=JwAAEL0DriJGi5S6P3i6rg

Matt Macey close to agreeing deal to Luton.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1537726469945929729?s=21&t=JwAAEL0DriJGi5S6P3i6rg

Matt Macey close to agreeing deal to Luton.

Really good move for him tbh

[JohnM1875]

https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1537726469945929729?s=21&t=JwAAEL0DriJGi5S6P3i6rg

Matt Macey close to agreeing deal to Luton.

Good luck to him. Quite liked him and we've had dozens of worse keepers than Macey.

[Since452]

Really good move for him tbh

Yup. They'll be pushing for EPL again. Liked Macey. Good keeper but we have better now in Marshall.

[007]

Would Mahoney be one for the academy?

😃

https://i.ibb.co/y8w7Vpd/Mahoney-films.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[ahibby]

Good luck to him. Quite liked him and we've had dozens of worse keepers than Macey.

I am odd one as I am less nervous with Macey in goals compared with Marshall. Like our, other new signings which I am in the dark with, I am hoping ro be pleasantly surprised or dare I say even wowed.

[Iain G]

https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1537726469945929729?s=21&t=JwAAEL0DriJGi5S6P3i6rg

Matt Macey close to agreeing deal to Luton.

Is he replacing Lorraine Chase then? (Another for the oldies)

[04Sauzee]

I am odd one as I am less nervous with Macey in goals compared with Marshall. Like our, other new signings which I am in the dark with, I am hoping ro be pleasantly surprised or dare I say even wowed.

What is it about Marshall that makes you nervous?

[JimBHibees]

100% this.

Don't mind a one-off gamble on someone with raw, unproven talent. But to sign as many as we have of this ilk is stupid, irresponsible and smacks of dire management.

:greengrin

[leith lynx]

Is he replacing Lorraine Chase then? (Another for the oldies)

Not even campari-ble😊

[Heisenberg]

LJ on SSN saying Tavares is a player he’s known about since he was at Bristol City. Seems like he’s another player brought in through the manager.

[JimBHibees]

LJ on SSN saying Tavares is a player he’s known about since he was at Bristol City. Seems like he’s another player brought in through the manager.

Good to hear. Someone posted another you tube reel in another thread and some of his play is sensational imo. Sounds like a really exciting signing to me.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSn5XTTOFC0

[allezsauzee]

Would Mahoney be one for the academy?

I'd like to see us get our Hooks into him and get him signed.

[bingo70]

With pre-season starting tomorrow, I wonder if we’ll see any more new faces today?

[04Sauzee]

With pre-season starting tomorrow, I wonder if we’ll see any more new faces today?

A GK coach would be decent 😁

[Tyler Durden]

LJ on SSN saying Tavares is a player he’s known about since he was at Bristol City. Seems like he’s another player brought in through the manager.

He also spoke about McGeady in glowing terms and that some team will get a great player for another few years. Does seem like he's coming.... a 2 year deal would seem a bit too much of a gamble but maybe that's the delay in getting him announced?

Total guesswork on my part but would have been easy for LJ to confirm we're not interested if that were the case.

[bingo70]

A GK coach would be decent 😁

Don’t think there’s massive urgency for that. Mitchell can do the role in the short term.

[Since452]

LJ on SSN saying Tavares is a player he’s known about since he was at Bristol City. Seems like he’s another player brought in through the manager.

Yup. Ron did say that LJ would be playing a more active role in recruitment so that is good to hear.

[04Sauzee]

Jack Tucker who was linked to Hibs a number of weeks ago looks likely to be signing for MK Dons

[GloryGlory]

Don’t think there’s massive urgency for that. Mitchell can do the role in the short term.

Marshall also very experienced and able to help the younger goalies. Not sure if he's already done coaching badges.

[One Day Soon]

He also spoke about McGeady in glowing terms and that some team will get a great player for another few years. Does seem like he's coming.... a 2 year deal would seem a bit too much of a gamble but maybe that's the delay in getting him announced?

Total guesswork on my part but would have been easy for LJ to confirm we're not interested if that were the case.

LOL. He's gonnae sign him.

[Lago]

Meuller was 100% Ian Gordon’s signing with no input from the manager as to whether he wanted him or not, despite the “signing by committee” guff that was spouted.

We’re too big a club in Scottish terms to be some kind of experiment for a 30-year old guy who has no proven pedigree in signing players, and that’s why this clutch of unproven youngsters is attracting so much comment.

We’ve got Boyle’s money in the door, 10k and rising sales of season ticket books and good take up of hospitality packages.

It’s not a massive ask for some it to spent on one or two proven players, surely?
And who says we won't sign proven players?

[1620]

Good to hear. Someone posted another you tube reel in another thread and some of his play is sensational imo. Sounds like a really exciting signing to me.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSn5XTTOFC0

Some of his running with the ball on these clips reminds me of a young George Best. He will need protection by the refs in Scotland from some of the choppers in our league but look forward to seeing him.

[Lago]

Really good move for him tbh
He'll se it as a step up for him, hard to disagree.

[JimBHibees]

And who says we won't sign proven players?

We will but the same people will be first to slate them

[JimBHibees]

Some of his running with the ball on these clips reminds me of a young George Best. He will need protection by the refs in Scotland from some of the choppers in our league but look forward to seeing him.

Protection of ball players from cloggers isn't one of the qualities of a Scottish ref. If a clear over the ball tackle a yard away from the ref is not deemed a red as per the St Johnstone game last season then have my doubts it will ever happen

[Hibernian Verse]

Some of his running with the ball on these clips reminds me of a young George Best. He will need protection by the refs in Scotland from some of the choppers in our league but look forward to seeing him.

Might start getting pens again

[Lago]

We will but the same people will be first to slate them
I'll be waiting for the inevitable but he's too old complaint to be launched 🤷*♂️

[The Wireless]

I like most hope any Hibs signing comes good however with the new season coming around I do hope they address the importance of finding an assertive leader/ captain preferably in the middle of the park as we are crying out for one and I hope through a change of management this does not go unforeseen.

[Col2]

7 min interview on Sky Sports

The positivity around the club point I loved.

McGeady must be likely given LJ comments.

Hopefully link works

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1537734172831367169?s=21&t=UmqeU58zuDdUFXJmCdHizg

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Update:


GK: Marshall, Dabrowski [Macey likely out]

RB: Clarke, Miller [McGinn likely out]
CB: Porteous, Rocky
CB: Hanlon, Delfierre, McGregor
LB: Mitchell, Stevenson [Doig likely out]

RM: Cadden, Hauge
CM: Doyle-Hayes, Newell, Henderson
CM: Kenneh, Magennis, Campbell, Tait
LM: J. Tavares (McGeady?), Mackay

ST: Doidge, Bojang
ST: Nisbet (Injured), Melkerson

Certainly variations on 4-3-3 or 3 at the back possible also.

[Iain G]

Not even campari-ble😊

🤣

[Iain G]

LJ on SSN saying Tavares is a player he’s known about since he was at Bristol City. Seems like he’s another player brought in through the manager.

No no no that's not the narrative, he is another Ian Gordon signing! Dont you read these threads? 😁

[matty_f]

With pre-season starting tomorrow, I wonder if we’ll see any more new faces today?
I’d like a new face, if there are any going.

[matty_f]

And who says we won't sign proven players?

Used to be a time folk were bothered if the players we were signing were good players, now it’s all about age.

[McGruber]

Some chat earlier on whether Johnson has say on transfers or whether IG dictates. Well, Johnson clearly wants McGeady at Hibs and the player is a free agent. If he ends up here the board have clearly backed the manager's call - if not, will be interesting to see where he ends up. Were we beaten on wages or was it just not sanctioned.

[Nicho87]

Update:


GK: Marshall, Dabrowski [Macey likely out]

RB: Clarke, Miller [McGinn likely out]
CB: Porteous, Rocky
CB: Hanlon, Delfierre, McGregor
LB: Mitchell, Stevenson [Doig likely out]

RM: Cadden, Hauge
CM: Doyle-Hayes, Newell, Henderson
CM: Kenneh, Magennis, Campbell, Tait
LM: J. Tavares (McGeady?), Mackay

ST: Doidge, Bojang
ST: Nisbet (Injured), Melkerson

Certainly variations on 4-3-3 or 3 at the back possible also.

That midfield for me still look to powderpuff with too many failures still there

[degenerated]

Used to be a time folk were bothered if the players we were signing were good players, now it’s all about age.It's a moving feast, when we sign someone in the age bracket demanded it will then be about the league they come from.

[green day]

7 min interview on Sky Sports

The positivity around the club point I loved.

McGeady must be likely given LJ comments.

Hopefully link works

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1537734172831367169?s=21&t=UmqeU58zuDdUFXJmCdHizg

Thats a good interview, thanks for sharing.

Terrible training top though !!

[matty_f]

It's a moving feast, when we sign someone in the age bracket demanded it will then be about the league they come from.

or them not being expensive or not (irrespective of the spend)

[Gordy M]

That midfield for me still look to powderpuff with too many failures still there

A midfield of Cadden Magennis Newell Kenneh and Mcgeady certainly isnt powder puff?

[Basildon Hibs]

That midfield for me still look to powderpuff with too many failures still there

Aye. Still soft as *****e. No doubt its won't be addressed..

[hibsforeurope]

A midfield of Cadden Magennis Newell Kenneh and Mcgeady certainly isnt powder puff?

A lot of unknown factors, how often will we have those 5 available, surely fitness concerns over Magennis and McGeady with recent record, no one knows how Kenneh will take to senior football. lose any of those and were back to last season.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Update:


GK: Marshall, Dabrowski [Macey likely out]

RB: Clarke, Miller [McGinn likely out]
CB: Porteous, Rocky
CB: Hanlon, Delfierre, McGregor
LB: Mitchell, Stevenson [Doig likely out]

RM: Cadden, Hauge
CM: Doyle-Hayes, Newell, Henderson
CM: Kenneh, Magennis, Campbell, Tait
LM: J. Tavares (McGeady?), Mackay

ST: Doidge, Bojang
ST: Nisbet (Injured), Melkerson

Certainly variations on 4-3-3 or 3 at the back possible also.
Finding it very hard to judge where we are. Alot of unknowns in the squad. Particularly upfront. I look at us an again think we surely must strengthen. But If Nisbet comes back with something to prove we have a player there, if Doidge gets himself sharp again its like a new player. & Melkerson could be a different proposition in a LJ system that tries to get the ball forward quicker.

Equally important that the manager will need to work some magic with those already here to get them back to top form if we are to be competing for europe.

[B.H.F.C]

A midfield of Cadden Magennis Newell Kenneh and Mcgeady certainly isnt powder puff?

One of them might not even sign for us. One has never played a senior game. One is always injured.

Newell will play but was poor last year and I don’t think Cadden is a winger.

We’ve not really improved an area that was a huge weakness yet, IMO.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Is he replacing Lorraine Chase then? (Another for the oldies)


Not even campari-ble😊

Catching up on the last 6 pages has been a real chore, made completely better by these two posts :greengrin

[superfurryhibby]

A midfield of Cadden Magennis Newell Kenneh and Mcgeady certainly isnt powder puff?

That's what I call Blind Faith.

[xqnq1875]

Seen a bit of talk about the midfield still being weak and I completely agree I’d still like to see us bring in another midfielder with a physical presence and with a bit of experience


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[badabing67]

Might start getting pens again

And free kicks around the box just need somebody to take them

[Paulie Walnuts]

One of them might not even sign for us. One has never played a senior game. One is always injured.

Newell will play but was poor last year and I don’t think Cadden is a winger.

We’ve not really improved an area that was a huge weakness yet, IMO.

Yup.

That midfield would be an outrageous gamble due to injury history/lack of first team experience/ability and would potentially be one of the poorest in the league.

[HibbyKeith]

Pretty clear that we are doing what transfer business we can as early as possible.

Most english league players are contracted until july 1st so there's plenty time for signings yet. It's a market LJ will be very familiar with and I'd be pretty surprised if we dont sign more seasoned pros from there in the coming weeks.

Patience is a virtue folks.

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[bingo70]

Pretty clear that we are doing what transfer business we can as early as possible.

Most english league players are contracted until july 1st so there's plenty time for signings yet. It's a market LJ will be very familiar with and I'd be pretty surprised if we dont sign more seasoned pros from there in the coming weeks.

Patience is a virtue folks.

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The fact players are contracted until 1st July is irrelevant as they can just sign pre contracts.

Agree with the general point you’re making though.

[Fergus52]

That midfield for me still look to powderpuff with too many failures still there


Aye. Still soft as *****e. No doubt its won't be addressed..


Seen a bit of talk about the midfield still being weak and I completely agree I’d still like to see us bring in another midfielder with a physical presence and with a bit of experience


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There were a lot of things wrong with our midfield last season, but being soft, 'powder puff' or having a lack of tackling ball winners winners was not one of them.

We had the third best defense in terms of goals conceded, JDH and Newell had the 3rd and 8th most tackles per game respectively of any midfielders in the league, and we've brought in Kenneh who will be coming for first team football otherwise he would have stayed at Leeds earning more money to keep sitting on the bench.

Defensively our midfield was more than sound last season, and Kenneh will only improve us in that respect.

It's playmakers who will look to take risks with difficult through balls or chipped passes, and energetic players who look to score goals from making runs into the box that we desperately need. I'm hoping with the right coaching that Newell and Henderson can be the former, and that Magennis can provide us with the latter but we could definitely do with another playmaker or attacking box to box imo, much more than we need yet another ball winner.

[delbert]

Seen a bit of talk about the midfield still being weak and I completely agree I’d still like to see us bring in another midfielder with a physical presence and with a bit of experience


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We need genuine presence all over the park, other than in goals where Marshall more than fits the bill. No leader at the back, powderpuff and inexperienced in midfield and much the same up front with strikers whose only consistent quality last season was being injured, get some ****** steel in !!

[Gmack7]

And free kicks around the box just need somebody to take them

What another lad that rattled 2 screamers past the England keeper, seems to be available, maybe in a special teams scenario, we are going all US of A afterall

[Hibernian Verse]

What another lad that rattled 2 screamers past the England keeper, seems to be available, maybe in a special teams scenario, we are going all US of A afterall

You mean the guy that is signing for Broomhill FC outwith the senior leagues?

[Willis1875]

And free kicks around the box just need somebody to take them

Connor young scored a few crackers for the youths last season

[GreenPJ]

There were a lot of things wrong with our midfield last season, but being soft, 'powder puff' or having a lack of tackling ball winners winners was not one of them.

We had the third best defense in terms of goals conceded, JDH and Newell had the 3rd and 8th most tackles per game respectively of any midfielders in the league, and we've brought in Kenneh who will be coming for first team football otherwise he would have stayed at Leeds earning more money to keep sitting on the bench.

Defensively our midfield was more than sound last season, and Kenneh will only improve us in that respect.

It's playmakers who will look to take risks with difficult through balls or chipped passes, and energetic players who look to score goals from making runs into the box that we desperately need. I'm hoping with the right coaching that Newell and Henderson can be the former, and that Magennis can provide us with the latter but we could definitely do with another playmaker or attacking box to box imo, much more than we need yet another ball winner.

:agree:

[04Sauzee]

Just seen this

Stoke City are hoping to conclude a loan deal for Arsenal right-back Harry Clarke.

Source: StokeonTrentLive

📸 - Getty Images

🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ https://t.co/ESs9DO8fGs

[Edinburgh Green]

Been told that Arsenal are pushing English Championship sides to take Harry Clarke on loan.

[Gmack7]

You mean the guy that is signing for Broomhill FC outwith the senior leagues?

Ffs, we've missed a trick there, imagine getting outbid by them

[SHODAN]

Just seen this

Stoke City are hoping to conclude a loan deal for Arsenal right-back Harry Clarke.

Source: StokeonTrentLive

📸 - Getty Images

🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ https://t.co/ESs9DO8fGs

Love how it's just treated as though he doesn't have a club already.

[green day]

Been told that Arsenal are pushing English Championship sides to take Harry Clarke on loan.

I thought his deal with us was til end of next season?

[NC1875]

Love how it's just treated as though he doesn't have a club already.

Arsenal can recall him and send him to Stoke. Like they did with Ross County to us.

[04Sauzee]

I thought his deal with us was til end of next season?

There was I think 3 break clauses.

[Sir David Gray]

I thought his deal with us was til end of next season?

It is but Arsenal have a clause in his contract which allows them to recall him.

[B.H.F.C]

Just seen this

Stoke City are hoping to conclude a loan deal for Arsenal right-back Harry Clarke.

Source: StokeonTrentLive

📸 - Getty Images

🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ https://t.co/ESs9DO8fGs

Doesn’t surprise me at all.

As soon as we signed Miller I thought it was a certainty Clarke would be away.

[green day]

There was I think 3 break clauses.


It is but Arsenal have a clause in his contract which allows them to recall him.

Thanks.

I am a bit conflicted with these loans - on one hand you may get a decent player from a higher level - on the other, it must make planning a bloody nightmare.

[bingo70]

Doesn’t surprise me at all.

As soon as we signed Miller I thought it was a certainty Clarke would be away.

I had hoped he was going to be playing right side of a central 3. Not surprised he’s getting interest elsewhere though, thought he was excellent. Can see him going on to big things in the future.

[Unseen work]

Gutted about Harry Clarke but felt it was inevitable especially when Michael O’Neil came to watch us play and left just after he was subbed.

A real top player at this level and someone I think will go far down south.

The positive is that miller looks a ready made replacement and a really good player who is actually contracted to us. So we will gain the long term benefit instead of developing another teams player.

[Souter96Mac]

That would be a blow to not have Clarke.

Did suspect we brought in Miller thinking something like this may happen.

If he is recalled, this would just further the argument for bringing in a quality centre half - as Clarke currently provides cover there too

[Stuart93]

Knew it was going to happen after arsenal included the same clause as they did with RC.

He was very good, probably our best player whilst available but injured for the majority of his time here.

Still gutted he’s away so soon.

[Mcbizz1998]

Just seen this

Stoke City are hoping to conclude a loan deal for Arsenal right-back Harry Clarke.

Source: StokeonTrentLive

[emoji991] - Getty Images

[emoji837]⚪️[emoji837]⚪️ https://t.co/ESs9DO8fGs

Massive “meh” from me. He was a bright spot in a truly awful season but nothing to get wound up about. Rather we played our own players.

[04Sauzee]

Luca Connell signs on at Barnsley in a 3 year deal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Would have liked to keep Clarke but I can’t say I’ve seen the same player others seem to have seen.

He had a wonderful debut but after that he was pretty decent and that was about it, I wouldn’t have raved about him after that but I’d have been happy enough with him being in our starting 11.

[Slim Shady]

Just seen this

Stoke City are hoping to conclude a loan deal for Arsenal right-back Harry Clarke.

Source: StokeonTrentLive

📸 - Getty Images

🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ https://t.co/ESs9DO8fGs


This was all agreed before he publicly came out and said he can’t wait to get started next season with us.

Strange statement from an excitable laddie.

This is part of his development plan with Arsenal.
Rangers were trying to hijack his move to the Championship.