The generic Hearts thread

[hibeerealist]

The creditors cup would be a good idea, all ticket sales money going to the Lady Haig poppy fund, Scottish Amubulance Service, Macraes Battalion trust, Big Hearts and other similar bumped charities.

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Perfect BH very relevant too.

[truehibernian]

I hope they do because they'll get laughed out of court.

What they'll most likely do is continue to squeal and squeal 🐷🐷 in the hope they'll be offered money to make then shut up. To help that cause, the likes of L Deans will be given a lot of airtime and column inches by the Jambo friendly media.

I wouldn't even trust him to sell a wendy house after his rant on Saturday :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one :aok: that should answer your question GW :greengrin

Your flock are safe. Injunctions are for the English and Welsh, no?

[truehibernian]

Your flock are safe. Injunctions are for the English and Welsh, no?

I was quoting the legal eagle Deans CWG.......his view was they could raise an action to stop football while it was heard :greengrin

[007]

Any money they throw at a legal challenge is money wasted............let's see how serious The Rangers are when it comes to playing in Europe and needing to challenge Celtic.....a club already mired in debt :aok: Absolutely not going to happen.....if Hearts do, they're on the road to nowhere.......I think when Deans said they'd consulted a QC he really meant he'd drank a bottle of QC :greengrin

Deans made the point that Rangers' QC thought they had a very good case, Partick's QC thought they had a very good case and that he thought Hearts had a very good case. Funny that, solicitors who are probably struggling for work at the moment encouraging potential clients to go ahead with expensive court cases.(He probably fancies a role for himself on the team, even if he is just a conveyancer).

[CropleyWasGod]

I was quoting the legal eagle Deans CWG.......his view was they could raise an action to stop football while it was heard :greengrin

Ha....even better. 😂

[truehibernian]

Deans made the point that Rangers' QC thought they had a very good case, Partick's QC thought they had a very good case and that he thought Hearts had a very good case. Funny that, solicitors who are probably struggling for work at the moment encouraging potential clients to go ahead with expensive court cases.(He probably fancies a role for himself on the team, even if he is just a conveyancer).

I've not met a lawyer yet who would not say there's a case - lawyers are men (and women :greengrin) we employ to protect against lawyers :aok:

[Bostonhibby]

I actually sent a donation to Nairn today after their excellent statement at the weekend. True community club.I'll do the same.

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[O'Rourke3]

I don't think Stendel will be back. I suspect there will be something in his contract that allows him and the club to cut ties which I think will happen.

On another note he seems to be escaping most of the flak for how terrible they were under him, seems Levein and Budge are the main culprits in all this.He might have a get out clause if he's not paid, for say 6 weeks....

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[SouthMoroccoStu]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/213701-heart-of-midlothian-2014/page/1052/#comments

Makes a change from kickback

I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with

[Since452]

I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with

Couldn't think of anything worse. Imagine it right now? I'd be banned within a minute

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Couldn't think of anything worse. Imagine it right now? I'd be banned within a minute

Yeah

Everyone is too nice and polite to each other

You can’t call out the eejits

[Greenworld]

If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one :aok: that should answer your question GW :greengrinSeems fair Father [emoji16]

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[StevieC]

One of the funniest things if they take the SPFL to court is that, because they are members themselves, not only are they taking themselves to court, they will be required to contribute towards the cost of defending the SPFL against themselves. So they are going to pay twice, once for each side. Mental.

Yes, but they’ll get their SPFL share back when they lose. Result!

[jacomo]

Deans made the point that Rangers' QC thought they had a very good case, Partick's QC thought they had a very good case and that he thought Hearts had a very good case. Funny that, solicitors who are probably struggling for work at the moment encouraging potential clients to go ahead with expensive court cases.(He probably fancies a role for himself on the team, even if he is just a conveyancer).


In my fairly limited experience, I’ve never found it difficult to find legal advice that backs your side of the story.

Making it stick in court is a whole different issue however!

[SuperAllyMcleod]

I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with

I tried it a few years back but every thread seemed to come down to which half of the Old Firm you supported - so many of them couldn’t grasp the concept of supporting another team without having Celtic or Rangers as your big team.

To be fair, when I pointed that out there were plenty of people in resigned agreement - I’m not sure why they stuck around.

I take it there’s not too many kickbackers on now as they would surely get punted for their ‘vermin’ patter.

[Joe6-2]

Seems fair Father [emoji16]

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😂😂

[Heisenberg]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-green-light-rangers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

[theonlywayisup]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-green-light-rangers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

For those not willing to click on their website, the headline is all 12 top-flight clubs including Rangers have confirmed they will not object to the current season being officially ended with Celtic crowned nine in a row champions.

Bur, details of the show of hands were fudged in the minutes which were later circulated around the clubs by Aberdeen, who were in charge of hosting the emergency conference call.

[Real Emerald]

For those not willing to click on their website, the headline is all 12 top-flight clubs including Rangers have confirmed they will not object to the current season being officially ended with Celtic crowned nine in a row champions.

Bur, details of the show of hands were fudged in the minutes which were later circulated around the clubs by Aberdeen, who were in charge of hosting the emergency conference call.

I’m sure Tom English will want an investigation and Hearts to be reinstated due to the obvious dubious goings on. 🤡😂

[04Sauzee]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-green-light-rangers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?
Tickety Tock

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-green-light-rangers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

They can't start a legal case until they are officially relegated. Interestingly Tom English doesn't think Hearts will go down the legal route.

Surprised Budge hasn't put a statement out since losing yet another vote yesterday.

[04Sauzee]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

[hibeerealist]

They can't start a legal case until they are officially relegated. Interestingly Tom English doesn't think Hearts will go down the legal route.

Surprised Budge hasn't put a statement out since losing yet another vote yesterday.


Poor dear must be shattered it is all collapsing round about her and this relegation will be VERY costly, more so than other years as there is no certainty when the championship will get started and it will be after the SPL.

So much uncertainty and she has all these players with a huge wage bill.

[Waxy]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy
Poor soul. Crying his heart out.

[Real Emerald]

Poor dear must be shattered it is all collapsing round about her and this relegation will be VERY costly, more so than other years as there is no certainty when the championship will get started and it will be after the SPL.

So much uncertainty and she has all these players with a huge wage bill.

If I was her I’d be preparing the shares to be handed over pronto, get her money back with interest and head for the hills. After her brother gets his dosh paid for her botched overpriced stand.

[Waxy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-green-light-rangers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

They need cash?

[Liberal Hibby]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Yup that's exactly what it is.

[007]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

The guy's not been keeping up to date. It now seems it was Inverness who were doing the bullying and they were conspiring with Hearts and Rangers to null and void the league. Everyone knows how damaging to all the clubs null and void would be, opening them up to all sorts of compensation claims but those 3 clubs tried their best to do this nonetheless.

I would love there to be a court case so we'd get the details around this. We might even find out more about why Dundee changed their mind. Maybe it was them standing up to bullies.

Their trouble is that their judgement is completely clouded, they can't see the sham of the Rangers' dossier. Are they seriously so deluded that they actually believe Rangers have all of a sudden developed a sense of morality and that it had nothing to do with revenge on Doncaster and trying to either stop 9 in a row, or at the very least be able to claim it is tainted?

[Ronniekirk]

If we are serious about Sporting Integrity then this current debacle should be the motivation
Two clubs who have blatantly ignore this concept and tried to buy success now using the phrase to try and somehow take the Moral Highground
If there isn’t a backlash by other clubs for changing this now then when will there be


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[Waxy]

The guy's not been keeping up to date. It now seems it was Inverness who were doing the bullying and they were conspiring with Hearts and Rangers to null and void the league. Everyone knows how damaging to all the clubs null and void would be, opening them up to all sorts of compensation claims but those 3 clubs tried their best to do this nonetheless.

I would love there to be a court case so we'd get the details around this. We might even find out more about why Dundee changed their mind. Maybe it was them standing up to bullies.

Their trouble is that their judgement is completely clouded, they can't see the sham of the Rangers' dossier. Are they seriously so deluded that they actually believe Rangers have all of a sudden developed a sense of morality and that it had nothing to do with revenge on Doncaster and trying to either stop 9 in a row, or at the very least be able to claim it is tainted?

Hearts Rangers and ICT trying to null and void it. Would have cost clubs who knows how much money.Then when it doesnt come off they cry to everyone about caring 😂

[Waxy]

Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-ross-stirs-hearts-hibs-22023443

[southern hibby]

Yes, but they’ll get their SPFL share back when they lose. Result!


Then they really would owe it too themselves.


GGTTH

[Keith_M]

AllisBarry in the Evening News (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendels-talks-hearts-future-hinge-spfl-decision-2852144)...


"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."


Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

[The 90+2]

Not a relegation release clause then? 😂

[Since452]

Would be an absolute disaster if they parted ways. I want more signings like Langer

[007]

Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-ross-stirs-hearts-hibs-22023443

🙂 Plus you won't be missed.

[Jones28]

AllisBarry in the Evening News (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendels-talks-hearts-future-hinge-spfl-decision-2852144)...


"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."


Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?




🤣🤣🤣🤣

Get doon ya ****s

[Greenworld]

Not a relegation release clause then? [emoji23]No its an outwith or expulsion clause they are very common with players and managers as of about.well! 5 minutes ago

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[Greenworld]

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?




[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Get doon ya ****sThat would be a good story

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[Kojock]

“I personally think it would not be fair to punish one team and force them to relegate kind of 'in the middle of the season' – whether it was Hearts or any other team.

Mid season. You need a new calendar or an updated fixture list.

[Waxy]

“I personally think it would not be fair to punish one team and force them to relegate kind of 'in the middle of the season' – whether it was Hearts or any other team.

Mid season. You need a new calendar or an updated fixture list.
I'd bet Stendal didn't even say that.Just been stuck in there by the reporter.

[Peevemor]

I'd bet Stendal didn't even say that.Just been stuck in there by the reporter.

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

[nonshinyfinish]

Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there)

Welt amid odor?

[Waxy]

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Oops.
Still bet the reporter wrote that.

[Waxy]

Welt amid odor?

We have a winner already.

[Keith_M]

Not a relegation release clause then? 😂


Nah, that would have been a far too simple way to describe it.

I have a feeling that Hearts are desperate to dump him (even if it's just to get rid of his high wages), but the ball is in Stendel's court.

[GreenCastle]

Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-ross-stirs-hearts-hibs-22023443

That’s the paper stirring.

Regarding Stendal - so looks like it’s true he signed with a relegation clause to protect himself.

He obviously is taking no wage no so if he leaves he can say he didn’t take anything for last few months and doesn’t look the bad guy - leaves on a positive just like he did at Barnsley - but left them in a mess too.

Surely he won’t want to manage in the Championship?

At the same time - he may see it as an easy chance to win a league and boost his CV. But fail to get promoted 1st time and he will be really struggling so he will be thinking about his career pathway.

He has a 29% win ratio at Hearts which is really awful.

[ACLeith]

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

A doomed twirl

[nonshinyfinish]

A doomed twirl

:hilarious

[brog]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Is Prima Facile the collective noun for the Hearts support? A superb Freudian slip!

[Bostonhibby]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

In this ingenious plan it's just as well any defendant will agree to them just walking away at their chosen time without paying the defendants costs up to the point that Hearts think they can walk away.

The defendant might actually decide it has a counter claim too.

They're easy led.

Oh and they definitely have a facile claim [emoji16] a Prima one naturally, was never going to be an ordinary facile one.

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[Springbank]

A doomed twirl

From Dens Park, May 1986
To Easter Road, February 2016
And St Mirren Park, March 2020

The Doomed Twirl tour of Scotland continues

[Sweet Left Peg]

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Maybe his agent is Levein undercover?

DR WI'OOT MEDAL

[Keith_M]

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.



Tim O'Rodewald?


That'll get the Mini-Huns totally beelin!

[Tug Wilson]

They agreed wage reductions so I doubt they'll be subsequently using clause 12. If I was a player agreeing to a reduction I'd be making sure part of the agreement would be that clause 12 was removed from the contract.

If I am correct then the famous Article 12 allows the club to suspend the player's contract while the season is suspended. As it is now.

Once the season is completed then Article 12 is no longer applicable. It is not a method to get rid of a player.

It is likely that, in the event of relegation, some contracts allow for 1) a reduction in wages, 2) cancellation of the contract by the player and/or 3) cancellation of the contract by the club.

This protects the club from having high earners on the books and allows the player to move if he feels that he is better than the division the club has dropped down to.

Any player would be mad to walk away from a contract in the current climate. If Hearts don't have wage reduction / contract cancellation clauses in their players' contracts then they could be saddled with a lot of players they don't want.

[high bee]

If I am correct then the famous Article 12 allows the club to suspend the player's contract while the season is suspended. As it is now.

Once the season is completed then Article 12 is no longer applicable. It is not a method to get rid of a player.

It is likely that, in the event of relegation, some contracts allow for 1) a reduction in wages, 2) cancellation of the contract by the player and/or 3) cancellation of the contract by the club.

This protects the club from having high earners on the books and allows the player to move if he feels that he is better than the division the club has dropped down to.

Any player would be mad to walk away from a contract in the current climate. If Hearts don't have wage reduction / contract cancellation clauses in their players' contracts then they could be saddled with a lot of players they don't want.

And if they don’t have clauses in the contracts I’m sure they will be claiming it’s because they’re unethical and they aren’t like others clubs, heaven forbid anyone should claim its poor business acumen.

Just like when they claimed they’re a fair employer cause they pay a high basic wage... eh no, how about you’re throwing money about like there’s no tomorrow and paying wages that are unsustainable, hence why teams like Aberdeen couldn’t compete to sign Boyce.

[RyeSloan]

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?




[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Get doon ya ****s

I’m pretty sure that it has been mentioned a number of times that he had a relegation release clause so I’m not sure this is new news.

Absolutely makes sense that he has, not just that such an outcome would have proven he was crap but no way could Hearts be able to afford whatever silly money they were chucking at him.

Shame really as he is right up there in the ranks of Hearts managers Hibs would really want to keep!

[Auckland Hibs]

Had a look over on Brokeback, they're resigned to the fact that the league will be called soon and relegation is coming - very pleasing.

Apparently the only thing to be resolved is their level of compensation which appears to sit between 1 & 3 million - deluded fools.

[Tug Wilson]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.

[hibbyfraelibby]

AllisBarry in the Evening News (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendels-talks-hearts-future-hinge-spfl-decision-2852144)...


"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."


Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

So are theh "expelling", "ejecting" or "recalibrating" St.Endal?

[Bostonhibby]

This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.Prima facile case[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

If he's trying to impress with his classic Latin there's not many better cock ups than that one[emoji16]

Facile, just brilliant. Incidentally Man in Pub
could certainly do a better job of explaining to them what the process actually is as opposed to this idiot who has probably been up all night watching Perry Mason.

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[JimBHibees]

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?




🤣🤣🤣🤣

Get doon ya ****s

Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Had a look over on Brokeback, they're resigned to the fact that the league will be called soon and relegation is coming - very pleasing.

Apparently the only thing to be resolved is their level of compensation which appears to sit between 1 & 3 million - deluded fools.

Apparently they think they should get the parachute payment for bottom plus the one for the losing Prem play off team....£800k in total. Should be abe to pay off Budgies brother with that and then go into Admin2

[jacomo]

Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.


Barnsley said they would pursue legal action. Hearts said no compensation was due. I am not sure that it went to court.

I can’t believe even Budge would be so dumb as to pay £1m for him.

[MrSmith]

Is Prima Facile the collective noun for the Hearts support? A superb Freudian slip!

Yeah a superb facial given how much they spaff on their own.

[Jdawg]

This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.

Correct. He’s almost entirely wrong. He seems to have forgotten the basics of a court case in that the defender can defend the action 😂.

Prima facie means at first sight and usually for interim orders such as diligence at the start of an action/interim interdicts, etc.

It has nothing to do with cases being thrown out on a preliminary matter. These are dealt with at debate if the action lacks specification, relevance, etc. which are pleas-in-law for the defender.

[Jdawg]

Yeah a superb facial given how much they spaff on their own.

😂😂😂

[Jones28]

Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.

Tbf that was a figure punted at the time as what Barnsley wanted. Whether or not it came to that is a different matter - although the fact that it didn’t actually go to court would suggest something was agreed.

[Jdawg]

Tbf that was a figure punted at the time as what Barnsley wanted. Whether or not it came to that is a different matter - although the fact that it didn’t actually go to court would suggest something was agreed.

Hilarious if it’s true.

[Skol]

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad

[Hibeesmad]

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad

Definitely one for the agents to look into.

[Joe6-2]

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Waded rim tool

[Andy74]

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad

Hearts can declare whatever they like but they will have been officially relegated, so a non starter.

[Tug Wilson]

Correct. He’s almost entirely wrong. He seems to have forgotten the basics of a court case in that the defender can defend the action 😂.

Prima facie means at first sight and usually for interim orders such as diligence at the start of an action/interim interdicts, etc.

It has nothing to do with cases being thrown out on a preliminary matter. These are dealt with at debate if the action lacks specification, relevance, etc. which are pleas-in-law for the defender.

Spot on. If raising an action was that easy then we would all be at it. Civil cases can go on for years. I very much doubt that any court would grant an interdict to halt professional football whilst the action proceeded. Imagine the counterclaim that the SPFL would have against Hearts for loss of income.

[Bostonhibby]

Spot on. If raising an action was that easy then we would all be at it. Civil cases can go on for years. I very much doubt that any court would grant an interdict to halt professional football whilst the action proceeded. Imagine the counterclaim that the SPFL would have against Hearts for loss of income.Good point, the bellend was talking about the risk to the SPFL if Hearts were to go for it.

I doubt it's a greater risk than Hearts not winning or trying to wriggle out of the proceedings pre trial and having to pay all the financial losses of the likes of their sevco pals or having to meet celtcs income losses and every other club that wants to join in.

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[Seveno]

Barnsley said they would pursue legal action. Hearts said no compensation was due. I am not sure that it went to court.

I can’t believe even Budge would be so dumb as to pay £1m for him.

Where have you been for the last 4 years? Wasting £1m is well within her limited ability.

[Fanforlife]

I see overby that there is now a Jack Ross thread regarding his comments in DR,basically mouthing off that he is scared of Hearts and all the damage they would inflict on us🤣 Last time i looked it was 1 away win each,***** terrifying stuff right enough!!🤣🤣

[Peevemor]

I see overby that there is now a Jack Ross thread regarding his comments in DR,basically mouthing off that he is scared of Hearts and all the damage they would inflict on us🤣 Last time i looked it was 1 away win each,***** terrifying stuff right enough!!🤣🤣

He doesn't really say anything about them in the article.

[broondog]

down down down they go

[Irish_Steve]

I see overby that there is now a Jack Ross thread regarding his comments in DR,basically mouthing off that he is scared of Hearts and all the damage they would inflict on us🤣 Last time i looked it was 1 away win each,***** terrifying stuff right enough!!🤣🤣

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the Fartz have won twice away at ER this season











Still going down tho :flag::flag::flag:

[Fanforlife]

He doesn't really say anything about them in the article.spot on,doesn't stop them though,2 pages of comments last i looked,think they are a bit touchy at moment, wonder why!!🤣🤣

[Ozyhibby]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the Fartz have won twice away at ER this season











Still going down tho :flag::flag::flag:

First one not under Jack Ross though.


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[Irish_Steve]

One of the special ones over there thinks that "Dundee Hibernian" will only bring about 50 fans for the equivalent of the derby day fixture - I`m surprised these people can type!

[Fanforlife]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the Fartz have won twice away at ER this season











Still going down tho :flag::flag::flag:Know that m8,However comment was in Regards to Jack Ross thread overby. Head to Head its 1 1 in Ross v Stendal matches.

[Onion]

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad

That's gonna rip their knittin :greengrin And if they even try exercise the R clause, their pathetic claims of ejection are shamefully exposed.

[Irish_Steve]

Know that m8,However comment was in Regards to Jack Ross thread overby. Head to Head its 1 1 in Ross v Stendal matches.

Aah yes. good point! 1 - 1 it is!!

[Irish_Steve]

Oh flip me - Brokeback is hilarious just now - another has just started a thread thinking it could be a catchy acronym. He wanted the acronym to be PRICKS but titled it, Project Re-start In Scotland Kicks-Off

Dear oh dear!

[CA Hibby]

Aah yes. good point! 1 - 1 it is!!

Was Stendel in charge when we won there, thought he had just been appointed but it was Nanny that was taking the team

[Waxy]

Oh flip me - Brokeback is hilarious just now - another has just started a thread thinking it could be a catchy acronym. He wanted the acronym to be PRICKS but titled it, Project Re-start In Scotland Kicks-Off

Dear oh dear!
Project Ended No Immediate Soccer.

[Ozyhibby]

One of the special ones over there thinks that "Dundee Hibernian" will only bring about 50 fans for the equivalent of the derby day fixture - I`m surprised these people can type!

There seems to be a lot of focus on there about the money we will lose from one particular fixture rather than the money they will lose in every single fixture they play.


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[Irish_Steve]

There seems to be a lot of focus on there about the money we will lose from one particular fixture rather than the money they will lose in every single fixture they play.


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Yeah it ranges between £300,000 to £500,000 dependent on how many pies get eaten according to one financial guru over there

[Irish_Steve]

Project Ended No Immediate Soccer.

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Garymcl]

Somebody go on there and tell them what I’ve said on here we just make sure for home united fixtures we sell out stadium problem solved :greengrin

[Mikey]

Have they not been expelled yet?

:I'm waiti

[Bostonhibby]

Yeah it ranges between £300,000 to £500,000 dependent on how many pies get eaten according to one financial guru over thereI reckon they're probably talking about a Desperate Dan style 300,000lb pie, they're just so use everything being so much bigger.

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[O'Rourke3]

Apart from the cod Latin, why would Rangers complaint of bullying and incompetence be defence of Los Yabos being "expelled" in a Civil law case. That's two separate things. And if it were relevant, the members voted on it and decided they could not support it. You have to worry how they continue to walk and breathe...

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[lapsedhibee]

There seems to be a lot of focus on there about the money we will lose from one particular fixture rather than the money they will lose in every single fixture they play.

How long before they start claiming that they planned all along to be ejected/expelled, just to stick it to the wee/subhuman vermin team?

[H18 SFR]

Yam mate:

Hearts are being ejected, Dundee Utd are being up-zoned.

No relegation or promotion apparently.

[jacomo]

Yam mate:

Hearts are being ejected, Dundee Utd are being up-zoned.

No relegation or promotion apparently.


Can we officially call Hearts rejects now?

[660]

Yam mate:

Hearts are being ejected, Dundee Utd are being up-zoned.

No relegation or promotion apparently.

Up zoned.......

[MrSmith]

Yam mate:

Hearts are being ejected, Dundee Utd are being up-zoned.

No relegation or promotion apparently.


anything to avoid their reality of being utter keek!

[Fanforlife]

Was Stendel in charge when we won there, thought he had just been appointed but it was Nanny that was taking the teamHe was,think it was his 3rd or 4th game in charge.😁

[Eyrie]

He was,think it was his 3rd or 4th game in charge.😁

Being so early in his Hearts managerial career didn't stop him taking a holiday before the game.

[Bostonhibby]

Up zoned.......And Hearts have been down cycled.

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[Aldo]

Put it this way the can call it what they want but records will show they went down.

Relegated, expelled, punted, dropped, recalibrated...... whatever
You’re doon!


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[theonlywayisup]

Put it this way the can call it what they want but records will show they went down.

Relegated, expelled, punted, dropped, recalibrated...... whatever
You’re doon!


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As Private Frazer would say "they're marooned".

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/John_Laurie_Dads_Army.jpg/220px-John_Laurie_Dads_Army.jpg

[04Sauzee]

St Mirren 1 Hearts 0 why not 😁

https://youtu.be/Eugk7Nl_8XE

[Waxy]

I can smell relegation.

[ballengeich]

St Mirren 1 Hearts 0 why not 😁

https://youtu.be/Eugk7Nl_8XE

Better team won.

[007]

There seems to be a lot of focus on there about the money we will lose from one particular fixture rather than the money they will lose in every single fixture they play.


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Yeah it ranges between £300,000 to £500,000 dependent on how many pies get eaten according to one financial guru over there

More than made up for that in additional season ticket sales when Leeann voted on Good Friday to end the leagues. Doubled it when she said no to reconstruction and trebled it when she voted no to the independent inquiry.

[Jdawg]

Yam mate:

Hearts are being ejected, Dundee Utd are being up-zoned.

No relegation or promotion apparently.

If that’s the case then they should waive any parachute payment as that’s for relegated teams only. Let’s how moralistic they really are 😂

[Waxy]

So.Today could be the day.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-summit-set-rubberstamp-22029554

[Peevemor]

So.Todays could be the day.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-summit-set-rubberstamp-22029554

Oooooh!

"Unanimous" - interesting...

[lucky]

My elderly neighbour in his 70s and and Yam ST holder was claiming last night that the premiership teams have cut their noses to spite their faces as Hearts take 2500 to every away ground. I did point out that was rubbish but he was adamant how valuable the maroon pound is to Scottish football and Hearts fans will punish every team that voted to expel them. After debating with him further he agreed they would have been relegated had the season been finished. Can’t wait for next weeks clap for the NHS to get an update after they’ve been expelled

[jacomo]

So.Today could be the day.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-summit-set-rubberstamp-22029554


Bit embarrassing for Dave Cormack there... he wanted an investigation into governance at the SPFL, yet his outfit can’t minute a meeting accurately.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Bit embarrassing for Dave Cormack there... he wanted an investigation into governance at the SPFL, yet his outfit can’t minute a meeting accurately.

Give the guy a break. His original minute said there was consensus, which there was. However it wasn't a general consensus but an unamimous one which needed recording in appropriate terminology. Why? Because given the rhetoric and threats of legal action flying about Budge voting formally in favour of ending the league on the terms decided by the 81% holes any action she might pursue below the waterline.

She voted to relegate herself...case dismissed

[007]

My elderly neighbour in his 70s and and Yam ST holder was claiming last night that the premiership teams have cut their noses to spite their faces as Hearts take 2500 to every away ground. I did point out that was rubbish but he was adamant how valuable the maroon pound is to Scottish football and Hearts fans will punish every team that voted to expel them. After debating with him further he agreed they would have been relegated had the season been finished. Can’t wait for next weeks clap for the NHS to get an update after they’ve been expelled

So you do clap for the NHS while he talks crap for the PBS.

[Waxy]

Give the guy a break. His original minute said there was consensus, which there was. However it wasn't a general consensus but an unamimous one which needed recording in appropriate terminology. Why? Because given the rhetoric and threats of legal action flying about Budge voting formally in favour of ending the league on the terms decided by the 81% holes any action she might pursue below the waterline.

She voted to relegate herself...case dismissedi can imagine Budge sarcastically agreeing.Board-Ann everyone has voted to end the season, what's Hearts position on this? Budge-Well i suppose i have no option then do i? Board- I'll take that as a yes then.motion carried the season has ended, Now lets vote on reconstruction.

[Bostonhibby]

Give the guy a break. His original minute said there was consensus, which there was. However it wasn't a general consensus but an unamimous one which needed recording in appropriate terminology. Why? Because given the rhetoric and threats of legal action flying about Budge voting formally in favour of ending the league on the terms decided by the 81% holes any action she might pursue below the waterline.

She voted to relegate herself...case dismissed

This is how I see it, a bit like producing your very own creditors list, putting youselves into administration then spending most of the decade saying a big boy done it and ran away.

Kind of negates the value of legal threats, the use of words like expelled, expunged, demoted etc. Unless of course Mrs doctor Budge is going to say she was bullied

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[calumhibee1]

My elderly neighbour in his 70s and and Yam ST holder was claiming last night that the premiership teams have cut their noses to spite their faces as Hearts take 2500 to every away ground. I did point out that was rubbish but he was adamant how valuable the maroon pound is to Scottish football and Hearts fans will punish every team that voted to expel them. After debating with him further he agreed they would have been relegated had the season been finished. Can’t wait for next weeks clap for the NHS to get an update after they’ve been expelled

2500 to every away ground 😂

[weecounty hibby]

I don't go into oneleagueback but follow JKB Meltdown on twitter. Oh my god, it is unbelievable that these morons walk amongst us. Some of the stuff the one out with is beyond belief

[Garymcl]

Potter and McPhee leaving at end of month

[Bostonhibby]

Potter and McPhee leaving at end of monthAw naw, any mention of a statue?

Still Desperate Dan could be staying. Does every town and hamlet in the Championship even have a wetherspoons?

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[Gloucester Hibs]

Potter and McPhee leaving at end of month

Actually thought they’d keep Levein for their big adventure in the championship. Be interesting to see who they trust to lead them back to the premier 🤔

[bingo70]

Potter and McPhee leaving at end of month

Feel like we should chip in for a wee gift or something. At the very least a card.

[GreenCastle]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188793-levein-mcphee-to-leave-on-the-31st-may/#comments

The comments are pretty funny. Reminds me of us getting rid of Butcher.

Amazing how Levein has hung about for so long. While he was a useless manager etc he hated Hibs and I’m sure drilled that into many a Hearts youth player etc.

Regarding McPhee he did have a lot of connections and set up a few links for Hearts.

Will be interesting to see which direction they go in next as Stendal will have more control but not confident he’s staying about so will need quite a rebuild if all 3 leave - at a time stability is important.

[JohnMcM]

down down down they go


Potter and McPhee leaving at end of month

I wonder if that means their Daniel is coming back? After all, if anyone could bring them straight back up it would be Potter and his rough-house tactics, no?

[O'Rourke3]

Potter and McPhee leaving at end of monthThey always were.Contracts end, end of season. She was hoping Craig might show the next manager the ropes before he goes and Nanny had no games to analyse for pre match. Money properly p@$$3d up a wall.

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[Irish_Steve]

Feel like we should chip in for a wee gift or something. At the very least a card.

Maybe get Craigy-boy a wee medal so he will have at least one from his footballing career!

[GreenCastle]

I wonder if that means their Daniel is coming back? After all, if anyone could bring them straight back up it would be Potter and his rough-house tactics, no?

Well as soon as it’s confirmed they are relegated Hearts will need to renegotiate a new contract for him due to the release clause.

I said it yesterday Stendal has said he won’t be paid so it softens the blow if he leaves Hearts....makes him look a good guy (if he stayed full pay and left they would be raging at him - but makes him look better) - even though his win ratio was 29%.

[Crazyhorse]

Maybe get Craigy-boy a wee medal so he will have at least one from his footballing career!

The Natural Order Badge (NOB)

[EdinMike]

The Natural Order Badge (NOB)

😅 Keeping Natural Order Badge ?!

[Aldo]

The Natural Order Badge (NOB)


[emoji28] Keeping Natural Order Badge ?!

We could always just have a silence K??


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[nonshinyfinish]

I don't go into oneleagueback but follow JKB Meltdown on twitter. Oh my god, it is unbelievable that these morons walk amongst us. Some of the stuff the one out with is beyond belief

Saw this one, would love to know the reasoning behind it:


Calling the season makes it less likely that we will be in the Championship because we can no longer be relegated.

[MrSmith]

I don't go into oneleagueback but follow JKB Meltdown on twitter. Oh my god, it is unbelievable that these morons walk amongst us. Some of the stuff the one out with is beyond belief

Looked once on KB and FF and will never look again. Those two forums are the most insular, aggressive, sectarian & bigoted sites I have ever visited. Never again!! I really do care for my sanity.

[gillythehibby]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188793-levein-mcphee-to-leave-on-the-31st-may/#comments

The comments are pretty funny. Reminds me of us getting rid of Butcher.

Amazing how Levein has hung about for so long. While he was a useless manager etc he hated Hibs and I’m sure drilled that into many a Hearts youth player etc.

Regarding McPhee he did have a lot of connections and set up a few links for Hearts.

Will be interesting to see which direction they go in next as Stendal will have more control but not confident he’s staying about so will need quite a rebuild if all 3 leave - at a time stability is important.

This from a club that hounded Neilson out the door after he delivered European football to them. They'll have the cheek to want him back ! May their pain continue for years

[jacomo]

I am assuming Stendel won’t be back.

Anyone think they might try and poach Robertson from ICT? A bitter manager wrangle would be a great way to cement the new special relationship between these two clubs.

[Waxy]

I am assuming Stendel won’t be back.

Anyone think they might try and poach Robertson from ICT? A bitter manager wrangle would be a great way to cement the new special relationship between these two clubs.
He might not want to.It can only go wrong.Look at how they've treated loyal servants this season?

[04Sauzee]

I am assuming Stendel won’t be back.

Anyone think they might try and poach Robertson from ICT? A bitter manager wrangle would be a great way to cement the new special relationship between these two clubs.

Robertson as manager and DOF, visionary

[Bostonhibby]

Another impressive sounding foreign name but this time one who has at least heard of them.

Steady Eddie Malofeev.

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[MrSmith]

Will be the first SPFL club to employ a female head coach - Shirley Yeroffski.

[CapitalGreen]

I am assuming Stendel won’t be back.

Anyone think they might try and poach Robertson from ICT? A bitter manager wrangle would be a great way to cement the new special relationship between these two clubs.

Nothing will be more pleasing than them turning on another of their own after he doesn’t meet their ridiculously high expectations.

[jacomo]

He might not want to.It can only go wrong.Look at how they've treated loyal servants this season?


Who can resist the lure of The Famous? Or working for their highly successful and visionary leader, the Sage of Midlothian?

Apart from Jack Ross, obviously.

[Waxy]

Who can resist the lure of The Famous? Or working for their highly successful and visionary leader, the Sage of Midlothian?

Apart from Jack Ross, obviously.Plus money will be no object and free chips.

[RyeSloan]

I think once the dust has settled and their relegation is confirmed they will start to turn on Budge.

They have had the SPFL bogey man to aim their ire at so far but once that’s effectively over I’m convinced we will see a tasty bit of infighting and finger pointing about how it all went so wrong.

Then they have the infamous ‘fan owned’ thing to deal with and a shortfall in cash.

Could be quite interesting for quite some time [emoji23][emoji23]

[Topographic Hibby]

Plus money will be no object and free chips.Isn't money a bit tight in ICT-land? The prospect of slightly more cash and no Potter might be very tempting for Robbo. And chips too.....:agree:

[Crazyhorse]

I think once the dust has settled and their relegation is confirmed they will start to turn on Budge.

They have had the SPFL bogey man to aim their ire at so far but once that’s effectively over I’m convinced we will see a tasty bit of infighting and finger pointing about how it all went so wrong.

Then they have the infamous ‘fan owned’ thing to deal with and a shortfall in cash.

Could be quite interesting for quite some time [emoji23][emoji23]

Serious question. Will the jambos play any matches at all next season? I can see TV money might mean the top league going ahead with safeguards e.g no fans in stadia. But everything else in the SPFL could be mothballed, surely there would be no way of permitting the usual crowds and hospitality and therefore no income to pay players?

[Waxy]

Serious question. Will the jambos play any matches at all next season? I can see TV money might mean the top league going ahead with safeguards e.g no fans in stadia. But everything else in the SPFL could be mothballed, surely there would be no way of permitting the usual crowds and hospitality and therefore no income to pay players?
I think they will.Crowds will be allowed back eventually this year and they'll backload the season.

[Greenworld]

Serious question. Will the jambos play any matches at all next season? I can see TV money might mean the top league going ahead with safeguards e.g no fans in stadia. But everything else in the SPFL could be mothballed, surely there would be no way of permitting the usual crowds and hospitality and therefore no income to pay players?I mentioned that elsewhere and it got my juices flowing what a thought that would be

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[CapitalGreen]

Serious question. Will the jambos play any matches at all next season? I can see TV money might mean the top league going ahead with safeguards e.g no fans in stadia. But everything else in the SPFL could be mothballed, surely there would be no way of permitting the usual crowds and hospitality and therefore no income to pay players?

The number of people permitted at mass gatherings is likely to be increased incrementally so lower league attendances will probably be back to normal ahead of the Premiership. However Hearts will still be stuffed in that regard.

[jacomo]

The number of people permitted at mass gatherings is likely to be increased incrementally so lower league attendances will probably be back to normal ahead of the Premiership. However Hearts will still be stuffed in that regard.


I think this is highly unlikely.

A mass gathering is defined as anything above 50 - 500 people. Then it becomes about the measures you can put in place to mitigate risk, all of which will have a cost.

Lower league clubs will face all the same crowd management issues but fewer resources to deal with them.

[CapitalGreen]

I think this is highly unlikely.

A mass gathering is defined as anything above 50 - 500 people. Then it becomes about the measures you can put in place to mitigate risk, all of which will have a cost.

Lower league clubs will face all the same crowd management issues but fewer resources to deal with them.

What part do you believe is highly unlikely?

That the maximum number of attendees allowed at a mass gathering will be increased incrementally over time? or

That lower league clubs will be back to normal attendances before Premiership clubs?

I think the costs and measures required to host a couple of hundred people at Ainslie Park or Central Park would be a lot less than 16,000+ at Easter Road. Lower league teams also typically have a much larger excess capacity at their grounds than Premiership clubs.

[1875er]

Had anyone else heard the rumour that Danny boy liked frequenting the hostelries of Gorgie a little bit too much... his big purple conk would certainly point to that .


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[hibbyfraelibby]

The muppets over on KeekBoak think the rejection of the action by two lower league Dutch teams somehow supports their case. Actually it contains a stark warning.

The judge ruled that the league "acted within its rules". I have no doubt that a similar legal principle applies here too as the Board acted within the rules and was empowered by an 81% vote to apply it.

[04Sauzee]

Sold 3k season tickets now

[Smartie]

Sold 3k season tickets now

I suppose the FOMO on the opportunity to be in that singing section belting our their big cousins' favourite "same old Alloa, always cheating" must be starting to pay off.

[CapitalGreen]

I suppose the FOMO on the opportunity to be in that singing section belting our their big cousins' favourite "same old Alloa, always cheating" must be starting to pay off.

Unless Hearts charge £25 per league next season it would be cheaper just walking up every week than buying a season ticket.

[Bostonhibby]

I suppose the FOMO on the opportunity to be in that singing section belting our their big cousins' favourite "same old Alloa, always cheating" must be starting to pay off.If I was them I'd buy the season ticket as early as possible before the next fund raising exercise starts.

Low sales = bigger deficit and there's still no flour on the supermarket shelves and there's only so many faces one can paint, even if it could be done with a 2m long paint brush.


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[Waxy]

Belgian league called now.
Brugge champions with Waasland Beveren relegated.

[Green Blood]

They really were a match made in heaven! Yams have no morals, no concept of right and wrong and certainly any connection to sporting integrity are just hollow words!

If this was headed up the Forth right now then they would be rejoicing in the streets up gorgie way!

23370

[Greenworld]

I guess its not happening tday

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[Waxy]

I guess its not happening tday

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using TapatalkIts still going on.Not sure why.

[Keith_M]

Its still going on.Not sure why.



Budge is having trouble logging on to Zoom

[Waxy]

A detective would think they're going to call it tonight if it's taking this long.

[Green Blood]

Apparently the delay is due to Plug and Potter having locked Ann in the lavy and are strutting about the piggery with pencils stuffed up their noses and underpants on their head!

[Greenworld]

Budge is having trouble logging on to ZoomPerhaps her internet has been cut off its worse than we thought

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[Waxy]

Apparently the delay is due to Plug and Potter having locked Ann in the lavy and are strutting about the piggery with pencils stuffed up their noses and underpants on their head!Lol we never will grow up.I love it.

[NthCarolinaHibs]

Apparently the delay is due to Plug and Potter having locked Ann in the lavy and are strutting about the piggery with pencils stuffed up their noses and underpants on their head!

Just another Friday night then..🙄

[Greenworld]

Its still going on.Not sure why.Maybe the spfl committee are now ratifying it before press release

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[CraigHibee]

Had anyone else heard the rumour that Danny boy liked frequenting the hostelries of Gorgie a little bit too much... his big purple conk would certainly point to that .


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To be fair i think we knew from early on that "their daniel" loved a scoop, either that he loves eating beetroot right out the jar

[CraigHibee]

Apparently the delay is due to Plug and Potter having locked Ann in the lavy and are strutting about the piggery with pencils stuffed up their noses and underpants on their head!

Fax machine is on the blink again 😃

[04Sauzee]

SPFL meeting finished. League season won’t be called this evening. More likely next week.

[Barney McGrew]

It’s not getting called tonight.

[Aldo]

FFS just call the bloody thing!


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[Brunswickbill]

They’re waiting for Budge’s vote.

[Wakeyhibee]

Given the movements made elsewhere, do you think they're giving it (or being seen to give) every chance of playing out the season?

Been reported all agreed to end it, but is that after the last possible chance is gone by the 25th.

[Peevemor]

Given the movements made elsewhere, do you think they're giving it (or being seen to give) every chance of playing out the season?

Been reported all agreed to end it, but is that after the last possible chance is gone by the 25th.That would make sense. It just means that the Premiership clubs wait a week or so longer for their money while keeping on option the miniscule possibility of finishing the season (probably at the request of the usual suspects).

[Irish_Steve]

Given the movements made elsewhere, do you think they're giving it (or being seen to give) every chance of playing out the season?

Been reported all agreed to end it, but is that after the last possible chance is gone by the 25th.

Didn`t the likes of Killie and Hamilton say that they wouldn`t have enough footballers on their books to actually play the games?

[Real Emerald]

Given the movements made elsewhere, do you think they're giving it (or being seen to give) every chance of playing out the season?

Been reported all agreed to end it, but is that after the last possible chance is gone by the 25th.

They probably don’t want to announce the decision on a Friday night, I know it’s not a normal Friday but probably safer on Monday.

[The 90+2]

Thing that gets me about them taking this to court;

Do you not think when the SPFL put the resolution forward to end the leagues as they are at the moment, that they didn’t seek legal advice in regards to Hearts Partick or even Stranraer taking them to court they? For all that Doncaster and the SPFL board seem sometimes they haven’t got a clue I don’t think there’s absolute danger at all they will have unforeseen that happening and just thought “**** it let’s just hope they don’t appeal or get legal advice”
They will know more than any how unlikely any action from any of they clubs will be of succeeding. There is no chance they are that negligent. Yet every hearts flump online think it’s cast iron they will win any case and sue for millions in damages because Leslie Deans said so.

[Wakeyhibee]

Didn`t the likes of Killie and Hamilton say that they wouldn`t have enough footballers on their books to actually play the games?

Didn't see that particular one, but heard general concerns.

I can see a concession being made to give it the full term but not a change to the end result, not enough time, too many hurdles to overcome.

[Greenworld]

The fact Belgium have called their league with relegation. English league 2 and 1 are following same route so come monday the SPFL will finalise the legal bits and call it


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[Greenworld]

Didn't see that particular one, but heard general concerns.

I can see a concession being made to give it the full term but not a change to the end result, not enough time, too many hurdles to overcome.There is a list of players the length of leith walk out of contract on 31st May

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[Waxy]

Thing that gets me about them taking this to court;

Do you not think when the SPFL put the resolution forward to end the leagues as they are at the moment, that they didn’t seek legal advice in regards to Hearts Partick or even Stranraer taking them to court they? For all that Doncaster and the SPFL board seem sometimes they haven’t got a clue I don’t think there’s absolute danger at all they will have unforeseen that happening and just thought “**** it let’s just hope they don’t appeal or get legal advice”
They will know more than any how unlikely any action from any of they clubs will be of succeeding. There is no chance they are that negligent. Yet every hearts flump online think it’s cast iron they will win any case and sue for millions in damages because Leslie Deans said so.They have to agree to the rules of the league to be part of it.The league acted within its rules.Get doon.

[Dashing Bob S]

Didn`t the likes of Killie and Hamilton say that they wouldn`t have enough footballers on their books to actually play the games?

Such moaners. Hearts had the same problem for years, but managed through keeping the ball in the air.

[A Hi-Bee]

Lets not forget that until the league is offishially finished there is “STILL HOPE” for our big neighbours over at gorgie park.
Lets not forget that it is the HOPE that kills ya.
Get doon an stop squealing like little piggies.
This relegation battle must go down in history as being one of the most exciting for many years.
Haaaaaaaaa, ****in haaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[GreenCastle]

Given the movements made elsewhere, do you think they're giving it (or being seen to give) every chance of playing out the season?

Been reported all agreed to end it, but is that after the last possible chance is gone by the 25th.

This season in Scotland is 100% finished.

They aren’t calling it on a Friday as Celtic fans would be celebrating over weekend and more chance of bother.

They are actually doing quite well to stretch it out and say they did everything possible but clubs voted for it to end.

100% will be announced next week - Celtic champions - Wee huns RELEGATED / Utd Promoted.

I’m hoping it’s the 19th May - would be funny.

[Waxy]

SPFL board meeting on Monday meant to be to finish the season.

[A Hi-Bee]

This season in Scotland is 100% finished.

They aren’t calling it on a Friday as Celtic fans would be celebrating over weekend and more chance of bother.

They are actually doing quite well to stretch it out and say they did everything possible but clubs voted for it to end.

100% will be announced next week - Celtic champions - Wee huns RELEGATED / Utd Promoted.

I’m hoping it’s the 19th May - would be funny.

There is still HOPE, this relegation battle continues until the wee fat lady sings.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Hearing the ventilator is being switched off with the patient expected to expire within 72hrs...

[Waxy]

Thats Belgium and France now both Called their leagues with champions called and relegation.
Top two ranked countries in the world.

[GreenCastle]

How many times have Hearts been relegated in their history?

[Baader]

How many times have Hearts been relegated in their history?

They were a proper yo-yo club in the early 1980s before Mercer got involved. Something else their fans conveniently forget...

[Keith_M]

How many times have Hearts been relegated in their history?


This will be the fifth time.

[WoreTheGreen]

They were a proper yo-yo club in the early 1980s before Mercer got involved. Something else their fans conveniently forget...

Yo yo more like a orange club

[The 90+2]

They have to agree to the rules of the league to be part of it.The league acted within its rules.Get doon.

👍

[Bostonhibby]

Yo yo more like a orange clubNext season they're technically a caramel wafer club as they've bravely fought their way into that cup haven't they.?

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[Wakeyhibee]

This season in Scotland is 100% finished.

They aren’t calling it on a Friday as Celtic fans would be celebrating over weekend and more chance of bother.

They are actually doing quite well to stretch it out and say they did everything possible but clubs voted for it to end.

100% will be announced next week - Celtic champions - Wee huns RELEGATED / Utd Promoted.

I’m hoping it’s the 19th May - woulpd be funny.

Now that would be almost poetic :greengrin

the point about avoiding celebrations is a good call.

[The 90+2]

This season in Scotland is 100% finished.

They aren’t calling it on a Friday as Celtic fans would be celebrating over weekend and more chance of bother.

They are actually doing quite well to stretch it out and say they did everything possible but clubs voted for it to end.

100% will be announced next week - Celtic champions - Wee huns RELEGATED / Utd Promoted.

I’m hoping it’s the 19th May - would be funny.

19th May? You’re two days out. 21st May we won the cup.

[Jumbo]

19th May? You’re two days out. 21st May we won the cup.

its a day they like to celebrate :boo hoo:

[Crazyhorse]

This season in Scotland is 100% finished.

They aren’t calling it on a Friday as Celtic fans would be celebrating over weekend and more chance of bother.

They are actually doing quite well to stretch it out and say they did everything possible but clubs voted for it to end.

100% will be announced next week - Celtic champions - Wee huns RELEGATED / Utd Promoted.

I’m hoping it’s the 19th May - would be funny.

Are you sure it’s not the maroon pound that it causing everyone to delay. Surely must be a lot of panic about that.

[GreenCastle]

19th May? You’re two days out. 21st May we won the cup.

Either 19th May so they can always remember the day they got relegated or 21st so we can have a double celebration work fine for me.

I just can’t wait to read the statement saying they have been RELEGATED to the lower league below.

Then going to laugh my head off at the statements and tears from the big huns and wee huns.

After that..popcorn out as Stendal probably leaves..

Then the rebuild begins and Budge is left still wondering how they have been relegated for the 2nd time in 6 years.

[Glory Lurker]

Has the thing with Stendal's last club been sorted out?

[The 90+2]

its a day they like to celebrate :boo hoo:

Oh aye, forgot about that ****.

[The 90+2]

Either 19th May so they can always remember the day they got relegated or 21st so we can have a double celebration work fine for me.

I just can’t wait to read the statement saying they have been RELEGATED to the lower league below.

Then going to laugh my head off at the statements and tears from the big huns and wee huns.

After that..popcorn out as Stendal probably leaves..

Then the rebuild begins and Budge is left still wondering how they have been relegated for the 2nd time in 6 years.

19th May, Craig Levein appreciation day has a decent ring to it tbf now.

Budge won’t wonder or reflect, they will ignore and deflect blaming absolutely everything apart from them being *****.

[Craig_in_Prague]

its a day they like to celebrate :boo hoo:

Well every Hibs fan should post on social media the full list of creditors they shafted, every time and more often.

[GreenCastle]

This will be the fifth time.

Thanks

[southern hibby]

Sold 3k season tickets now


Not too shabby ( at this stage of the year ) for a championship club 😉

GGTTH

[Hibees1973]

Best way I can put this just now is with this analogy.

Hearts are like a big dump you have that just won’t flush away. They will lodge for a few days then eventually they will go down.

[McSwanky]

Not too shabby ( at this stage of the year ) for a championship club [emoji6]

GGTTHAgree , decent effort! Well done, Jambos!

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[04Sauzee]

Liam Boyce has this to say about our Daniel as he says he'd like him to stay on no matter what division they are in next season.

"He always has a game plan with tactics for every team and I've never seen that sort of detail

[The 90+2]

Liam Boyce has this to say about our Daniel as he says he'd like him to stay on no matter what division they are in next season.

"He always has a game plan with tactics for every team and I've never seen that sort of detail

That worked a treat against St Mirren Hamilton and St Johnstone a couple of time’s. Fair play to Boycey in his 8k contract.

[Hibs1969]

Who can resist the lure of The Famous? Or working for their highly successful and visionary leader, the Sage of Midlothian?

Apart from Jack Ross, obviously.
Derek Adams..........

[scotia44]

Yo yo more like a orange club

I see what you did there😂 amazing what I find funny when sozzled on a Friday night 🤣🤣

[SMAXXA]

This will be the fifth time.

What about Hibs?

[high bee]

Like a wise Jambo once said... “Hibs aren’t our rivals anymore.”

Oh how right he was.

[CropleyWasGod]

What about Hibs?

4.

1930ish. 1980 1998 2014

[SMAXXA]

4.

1930ish. 1980 1998 2014

So the big team have been relegated more than us aswell?

[McSwanky]

So the big team have been relegated more than us aswell?Not yet. Give it a couple of days though.... [emoji16]

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[Tug Wilson]

Liam Boyce has this to say about our Daniel as he says he'd like him to stay on no matter what division they are in next season.

"He always has a game plan with tactics for every team and I've never seen that sort of detail

I find this stunning. Would expect any manager to produce a game plan for every game against each opposition. Stendal can't be the only one.

[theonlywayisup]

I see that the Stranraer Chairman has joined Hertz in their fight against relegation. However, I think that he's got his facts wrong.

“When the resolution was taken, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were the only teams in Europe to be officially relegated because of the pandemic.


“Since then France has called their league and has unofficially relegated clubs, but there has been intervention from the French government to push for this to be reversed because they feel it is wrong.


“For two clubs in Scotland to be the only ones currently affected with automatic relegation, it feels wrong to me."

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/stranraer-join-hearts-fight-against-relegation-spfl-2852898

That said, was maybe correct when he made the statement, but am I correct in saying that the Belgium league has relegation confirmed yesterday. Also League 2 in England has three promoted with possibly a 4th via the play-offs, surely that means four teams must be relegated.

[Waxy]

I see that the Stranraer Chairman has joined Hertz in their fight against relegation. However, I think that he's got his facts wrong.

“When the resolution was taken, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were the only teams in Europe to be officially relegated because of the pandemic.


“Since then France has called their league and has unofficially relegated clubs, but there has been intervention from the French government to push for this to be reversed because they feel it is wrong.


“For two clubs in Scotland to be the only ones currently affected with automatic relegation, it feels wrong to me."

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/stranraer-join-hearts-fight-against-relegation-spfl-2852898

That said, was maybe correct when he made the statement, but am I correct in saying that the Belgium league has relegation confirmed yesterday. Also League 2 in England has three promoted with possibly a 4th via the play-offs, surely that means four teams must be relegated.
There would be a complete uproar much worse than from them if teams werent relegated.
They are down on sporting merit.
Otherwise there would be no promotion or all the other clubs would have to pay for their failure. The governments have no jurisdiction at all to tell a football association to change its rules.

[lucky]

I see that the Stranraer Chairman has joined Hertz in their fight against relegation. However, I think that he's got his facts wrong.

“When the resolution was taken, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were the only teams in Europe to be officially relegated because of the pandemic.


“Since then France has called their league and has unofficially relegated clubs, but there has been intervention from the French government to push for this to be reversed because they feel it is wrong.


“For two clubs in Scotland to be the only ones currently affected with automatic relegation, it feels wrong to me."

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/stranraer-join-hearts-fight-against-relegation-spfl-2852898

That said, was maybe correct when he made the statement, but am I correct in saying that the Belgium league has relegation confirmed yesterday. Also League 2 in England has three promoted with possibly a 4th via the play-offs, surely that means four teams must be relegated.

I know Ian and he’ll do nothing, his club don’t have a penny and certainly won’t be taking legal action. He’s shouting off in the hope of compensation

[Ronniekirk]

I see that the Stranraer Chairman has joined Hertz in their fight against relegation. However, I think that he's got his facts wrong.

“When the resolution was taken, Partick Thistle and Stranraer were the only teams in Europe to be officially relegated because of the pandemic.


“Since then France has called their league and has unofficially relegated clubs, but there has been intervention from the French government to push for this to be reversed because they feel it is wrong.


“For two clubs in Scotland to be the only ones currently affected with automatic relegation, it feels wrong to me."

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/stranraer-join-hearts-fight-against-relegation-spfl-2852898

That said, was maybe correct when he made the statement, but am I correct in saying that the Belgium league has relegation confirmed yesterday. Also League 2 in England has three promoted with possibly a 4th via the play-offs, surely that means four teams must be relegated.

The fact they aren’t letting this go seems strange if it’s a done deal
Who are they hoping to influence
Or are they just intent on stirring things up even when decision is taken formally
This is now getting boring
But by not formally announcing a decision its just playing into a minority factions hands


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[Peevemor]

The fact they aren’t letting this go seems strange if it’s a done deal
Who are they hoping to influence
Or are they just intent on stirring things up even when decision is taken formally
This is now getting boring
But by not formally announcing a decision its just playing into a minority factions hands


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHe's not speaking about taking action - he's just moaning.

[Carheenlea]

https://twitter.com/ApologyHearts is back in some rather splendid form.

“Cameron Presentations Ltd £5406. Hired to help set up our Player of the Year do, it's with great regret that not only did we default on their payment, but a "confused" Mr. Romanov chased their CEO down McLeod St wearing nothing but a tam o' shanter and a Hearts scarf. A low point”

“£589 owed to @BritishGas_UKB. You'll be pleased to know that our great club now have an excellent relationship with them, our disgusting past behaviour firmly behind us. In fact, they have been very helpful assisting us design and build a drying room for journalists wet clothes”

“BT Global Services. Should've included this in the previous tweet. When you owe someone over 3k what's another £67? Anyway, it was for a replacement ethernet connection for our strategically placed Police Control Room. Sorry”

“BritishTelecom £3,024. It goes without saying that we apologise for yet another unpaid debt. However, in our defence, Vlad was running an internationally known world famous brand. For starters, he had at least 80 people laundering his money, now that's not easy to keep on top of.“

“Big Hearts Community Trust, £34,048. Nothing to see here. I'm reliably informed by Tom English that someone, somewhere, somehow paid this debt. And you trust us now, right? So that's all fine then? Good.”

“Beswick Sports Ltd, £3,000. Imagine us getting in debt with an agent? Reminds me, I need to check in with Liam Boyce, re. wages. Anyway, sorry about that.“

“Sincere apologies to Baltic Clipper travel agency for the £497 that we didn't pay you. I can tell you we are now run with complete integrity. Thanks to Dr Queen Ann Budge, businesswoman extraordinaire, our dark days are firmly behind us and we are at the peak of our 5 year plan.”

:applause:

[ancient hibee]

Liam Boyce has this to say about our Daniel as he says he'd like him to stay on no matter what division they are in next season.

"He always has a game plan with tactics for every team and I've never seen that sort of detail

Well that was a huge success.

[Craig_in_Prague]

https://twitter.com/ApologyHearts is back in some rather splendid form.

“Cameron Presentations Ltd £5406. Hired to help set up our Player of the Year do, it's with great regret that not only did we default on their payment, but a "confused" Mr. Romanov chased their CEO down McLeod St wearing nothing but a tam o' shanter and a Hearts scarf. A low point”

“£589 owed to @BritishGas_UKB. You'll be pleased to know that our great club now have an excellent relationship with them, our disgusting past behaviour firmly behind us. In fact, they have been very helpful assisting us design and build a drying room for journalists wet clothes”

“BT Global Services. Should've included this in the previous tweet. When you owe someone over 3k what's another £67? Anyway, it was for a replacement ethernet connection for our strategically placed Police Control Room. Sorry”

“BritishTelecom £3,024. It goes without saying that we apologise for yet another unpaid debt. However, in our defence, Vlad was running an internationally known world famous brand. For starters, he had at least 80 people laundering his money, now that's not easy to keep on top of.“

“Big Hearts Community Trust, £34,048. Nothing to see here. I'm reliably informed by Tom English that someone, somewhere, somehow paid this debt. And you trust us now, right? So that's all fine then? Good.”

“Beswick Sports Ltd, £3,000. Imagine us getting in debt with an agent? Reminds me, I need to check in with Liam Boyce, re. wages. Anyway, sorry about that.“

“Sincere apologies to Baltic Clipper travel agency for the £497 that we didn't pay you. I can tell you we are now run with complete integrity. Thanks to Dr Queen Ann Budge, businesswoman extraordinaire, our dark days are firmly behind us and we are at the peak of our 5 year plan.”

:applause:

Superb

[The 90+2]

I don’t think they will be pleased with this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stephane-adams-hearts-pain-cup-22035715

[G B Young]

Liam Boyce has this to say about our Daniel as he says he'd like him to stay on no matter what division they are in next season.

"He always has a game plan with tactics for every team and I've never seen that sort of detail

So detailed are his game plans that they allow him to spend Christmas in Germany, safe in the knowledge that the tactics he's left for his staff to implement will run like clockwork in the Boxing Day derby...

[brog]

https://twitter.com/ApologyHearts is back in some rather splendid form.

“Cameron Presentations Ltd £5406. Hired to help set up our Player of the Year do, it's with great regret that not only did we default on their payment, but a "confused" Mr. Romanov chased their CEO down McLeod St wearing nothing but a tam o' shanter and a Hearts scarf. A low point”

“£589 owed to @BritishGas_UKB. You'll be pleased to know that our great club now have an excellent relationship with them, our disgusting past behaviour firmly behind us. In fact, they have been very helpful assisting us design and build a drying room for journalists wet clothes”

“BT Global Services. Should've included this in the previous tweet. When you owe someone over 3k what's another £67? Anyway, it was for a replacement ethernet connection for our strategically placed Police Control Room. Sorry”

“BritishTelecom £3,024. It goes without saying that we apologise for yet another unpaid debt. However, in our defence, Vlad was running an internationally known world famous brand. For starters, he had at least 80 people laundering his money, now that's not easy to keep on top of.“

“Big Hearts Community Trust, £34,048. Nothing to see here. I'm reliably informed by Tom English that someone, somewhere, somehow paid this debt. And you trust us now, right? So that's all fine then? Good.”

“Beswick Sports Ltd, £3,000. Imagine us getting in debt with an agent? Reminds me, I need to check in with Liam Boyce, re. wages. Anyway, sorry about that.“

“Sincere apologies to Baltic Clipper travel agency for the £497 that we didn't pay you. I can tell you we are now run with complete integrity. Thanks to Dr Queen Ann Budge, businesswoman extraordinaire, our dark days are firmly behind us and we are at the peak of our 5 year plan.”

:applause:


Excellent!! I've posted this before but I think it's worth repeating because it proves conclusively the Hearts were defaulting from the beginning of the 2012/13 season despite Self Sufficient Southern & others protestations. Here's another shafted creditor.
Il Ciocco, £11,469. Il Ciocco is a resort hotel in the Tuscany town of Barga. Jim Jefferies took Killie & Hearts there for pre season training & Hearts continued the tradition post Jumbo. Barga has extensive Scottish roots & connections, they have an annual fish & chips festival, a pipe band & Paolo Nutini & Daniela Nardini come from the area. As such the locals were always delighted to welcome an SPL team to their beautiful town. Not any more! Hearts went there for pre season training in July 2012. It's painful for us but this was 2 months after they had finished us as a club & they were naturally on an all time high with record merchandising & ticket sales. All of that did not stop them sneaking off from Tuscany & leaving an unpaid bill of £11k+. That's right, in July 2012, at possibly the highest point in their history & a full 11 months before they went into admin, Hearts were already welshing on payments. That they continued to lie, cheat, & defraud throughout the 2012/13 season & ultimately deny Dundee a place in the top league is to their eternal disgrace. The team with no shame! Get doon!!

[grunt]

I don’t think they will be pleased with this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stephane-adams-hearts-pain-cup-22035715


Part of Adam’s heart will never leave Tynecastle.That just sounds all kinds of wrong to me.

[wallpaperman]

Just about choked on my drive thru Costa when I saw this bit of drivel on kickback;

‘Hearts have always been the anti establishment club time we found our balls again as the they have been tucked up inside us for far to long now.’

Anti-establishment? They are the biggest bunch of cap doffing, dull lickspittles, establishment wanna be’s you could ever come across in football.

[CentreLine]

Excellent!! I've posted this before but I think it's worth repeating because it proves conclusively the Hearts were defaulting from the beginning of the 2012/13 season despite Self Sufficient Southern & others protestations. Here's another shafted creditor.
Il Ciocco, £11,469. Il Ciocco is a resort hotel in the Tuscany town of Barga. Jim Jefferies took Killie & Hearts there for pre season training & Hearts continued the tradition post Jumbo. Barga has extensive Scottish roots & connections, they have an annual fish & chips festival, a pipe band & Paolo Nutini & Daniela Nardini come from the area. As such the locals were always delighted to welcome an SPL team to their beautiful town. Not any more! Hearts went there for pre season training in July 2012. It's painful for us but this was 2 months after they had finished us as a club & they were naturally on an all time high with record merchandising & ticket sales. All of that did not stop them sneaking off from Tuscany & leaving an unpaid bill of £11k+. That's right, in July 2012, at possibly the highest point in their history & a full 11 months before they went into admin, Hearts were already welshing on payments. That they continued to lie, cheat, & defraud throughout the 2012/13 season & ultimately deny Dundee a place in the top league is to their eternal disgrace. The team with no shame! Get doon!!

That is quite a revelation and hasn’t seen your previous mention of it. Definitely needs to be added to the list of apologies. Also needs to be acknowledged by the dafties over the other side of town when claiming they were not over spending and playing players they could not afford.

Just wonder what direction the authorities were looking at that point???

[Sammy7nil]

From kickback

"Hearts have always been the anti establishment club time we found our balls again as the they have been tucked up inside us for far to long now."

:rolleyes:

[Kojock]

Saughton Jambo***

Posted*1 hour ago

Since Leslie Deans interview on Sportsound last Saturday then I have been In*regular contact with Les. Les*contacted me personally this morning *via telephone*and asked me to post his official letter to our chairman outlining his views on court action*on his behalf.

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Can everyone please share this on all social media platforms to spread his word as his request?*
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many thanks*

*

SJ
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I have copied and pasted*his views verbatim and have removed his personal email address for obvious reasons.*
*

As follows:-

*

In my opinion, There are a minimum of 3 grounds which would entitle Hearts, Partick Thistle, Stranraer and perhaps Rangers, to institute civil court proceedings against SPFL and the clubs who voted to expel the first 3 clubs
Firstly, the clubs formed a common purpose. In the case of the premiership , that was to play 38 games against each other with club 12 to be relegated after these games were played. A common purpose creates a duty of care to each other. The actions of certain other members breach that duty. Additionally the SPFL must act in the best interest of all member clubs and I believe they have failed to do so. Their actions and conduct are set out in the dossier prepared by Rangers. The excuse given for abandoning the current campaign is that they want to start a new campaign, excluding Hearts from the Premiership. The chairman of SPFL has stated he hopes this can happen by July. By committing to a new campaign with a different membership , before the existing campaign is complete , a breach of duty occurs.*
Secondly, there was material non disclosure by SPFL in their briefing pack to clubs on April 8. As I understand it, no reference was made to the potential rebate claim by broadcasters if the league was called early. Additionally no other options than early termination were presented to clubs who were told this was the only feasible option. It was not. By their actions and omissions SPFL did not act in the best interest of all clubs. *
Thirdly, the SPFL motion was not passed. Dundee FC were not legally entitled to change their vote after it was cast. The motion failed and no further motion has been put to the clubs. SPFL are acting illegally.*
The pursuers only need to convince the court on any one of these 3 grounds to win the case.*

If so, the following remedies should be sought
1- Interdict against SPFL starting a new campaign until the current one is finished, whenever that might be.*
2- damages for actual and potential financial loss stemming from their expulsion.*
3- the expenses of litigation.*

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Yours Faithfully

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Leslie Deans*

[Sammy7nil]

Sportsound Richard Gordon "Temp reconstruction still very much on the table"

:rolleyes:

[Billy Whizz]

Sportsound Richard Gordon "Temp reconstruction still very on the table"

:rolleyes:

Surely not?

[Aldo]

Sportsound Richard Gordon "Temp reconstruction still very on the table"

:rolleyes:

Eh naw Dick.

Time to move on. Mind you giving them a glimpse of false hope is pretty funny!


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[Heisenberg]

Am being told to expect the @spfl to ‘call’ the Premiership on Monday, with @CelticFC being declared Scottish champions for the 9th year in a row. And @JamTarts relegated, pending another attempt at league reconstruction, which could now be resurrected. @BBCSportsound from 2pm

How could reconstruction be resurrected? There’s no benefit to the majority of teams.

[greenginger]

https://twitter.com/ApologyHearts is back in some rather splendid form.

“Cameron Presentations Ltd £5406. Hired to help set up our Player of the Year do, it's with great regret that not only did we default on their payment, but a "confused" Mr. Romanov chased their CEO down McLeod St wearing nothing but a tam o' shanter and a Hearts scarf. A low point”

“£589 owed to @BritishGas_UKB. You'll be pleased to know that our great club now have an excellent relationship with them, our disgusting past behaviour firmly behind us. In fact, they have been very helpful assisting us design and build a drying room for journalists wet clothes”

“BT Global Services. Should've included this in the previous tweet. When you owe someone over 3k what's another £67? Anyway, it was for a replacement ethernet connection for our strategically placed Police Control Room. Sorry”

“BritishTelecom £3,024. It goes without saying that we apologise for yet another unpaid debt. However, in our defence, Vlad was running an internationally known world famous brand. For starters, he had at least 80 people laundering his money, now that's not easy to keep on top of.“

“Big Hearts Community Trust, £34,048. Nothing to see here. I'm reliably informed by Tom English that someone, somewhere, somehow paid this debt. And you trust us now, right? So that's all fine then? Good.”

“Beswick Sports Ltd, £3,000. Imagine us getting in debt with an agent? Reminds me, I need to check in with Liam Boyce, re. wages. Anyway, sorry about that.“

“Sincere apologies to Baltic Clipper travel agency for the £497 that we didn't pay you. I can tell you we are now run with complete integrity. Thanks to Dr Queen Ann Budge, businesswoman extraordinaire, our dark days are firmly behind us and we are at the peak of our 5 year plan.”

:applause:


The Big Hearts debt of £ 34,048 disappears from the final shame list thanks to a bit of underhand manoeuvres by their corrupt admin, Bryan Jackson.

He “ invented “ an invoice for the amount due charging the Trust for accommodation in their offices to wipe out the debt.

It mattered nought that there was no agreement for this between the parties nor that HOMFC weren’t paying our Council for the rent due or business rates either for the property.

[Aldo]

Surely not?

Billy by the sounds of it he’s grasping at straws. Water under the proverbial bridge in that it’s been dealt with!

Dick is being good at what he does... being a dick!

Cannot see it


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[Jones28]

Reconstruction has been killed by the vote surely? Somebody just make a ****ing decision please.

[Greenworld]

Am being told to expect the @spfl to ‘call’ the Premiership on Monday, with @CelticFC being declared Scottish champions for the 9th year in a row. And @JamTarts relegated, pending another attempt at league reconstruction, which could now be resurrected. @BBCSportsound from 2pm

How could reconstruction be resurrected? There’s no benefit to the majority of teams.I don't believe it the reconstruction could be discussed again a couple of seasons but it is binned . A ploy to get people to listen in , well it won't work with me , 810 am is it?

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[Greenworld]

LoL written by a 10 year old

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[Heisenberg]

I don't believe it the reconstruction could be discussed again a couple of seasons but it is binned . A ploy to get people to listen in , well it won't work with me , 810 am is it?

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That was my thought, they don’t have any more votes to talk about. Temporary reconstruction was not something that most teams wanted, a permanent solution was favoured and that couldn’t get the support required. I’m sure the likes of Aberdeen and Celtc favoured a temporary change but the smaller sides in the league would vote against it.

[Billy Whizz]

Billy by the sounds of it he’s grasping at straws. Water under the proverbial bridge in that it’s been dealt with!

Dick is being good at what he does... being a dick!

Cannot see it


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Hope so

[Aldo]

Hope so

We’ve already had the vote Billy. And it was a family fortunes [emoji777]

Someone making mischief me thinks.


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[Greenworld]

That was my thought, they don’t have any more votes to talk about. Temporary reconstruction was not something that most teams wanted, a permanent solution was favoured and that couldn’t get the support required. I’m sure the likes of Aberdeen and Celtc favoured a temporary change but the smaller sides in the league would vote against it.Lets put it this way if it was true all the press would be reporting it not cheep

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