The generic Hearts thread

[Rumble de Thump]

If the decision was being made purely on sporting grounds, then reconstruction (temporary or permanent) would have been an option...and arguably the better one. That option hasn't been pursued for reasons other than sporting reasons.

Reconstructing to save teams from relegation when the rules state they should be relegated wouldn't be for sporting reasons. The rules of the game haven't suddenly been changed because of COVID-19. They're just being applied.

[JimBHibees]

If the decision was being made purely on sporting grounds, then reconstruction (temporary or permanent) would have been an option...and arguably the better one. That option hasn't been pursued for reasons other than sporting reasons.

The issue is no reconstruction was going to please all clubs so to me and the clubs the current set up seemed the fairest. Team at top win the league team at bottom go down. It is harsh on clubs like Thistle, Hearts, Falkirk etc but given the current circumstance not sure there was any viable option especially with a new tv deal starting in August.

[Onion]

The issue is no reconstruction was going to please all clubs so to me and the clubs the current set up seemed the fairest. Team at top win the league team at bottom go down. It is harsh on clubs like Thistle, Hearts, Falkirk etc but given the current circumstance not sure there was any viable option especially with a new tv deal starting in August.

Agreed, there are no viable options left other than relegation and limited promotion based on sporting merit (per UEFA). Hearts, Partick etc know full well there are no other options left, so threatening legal action isn't going to change a thing. IMO, all they want now is some hush money.

[RoxburghHibs]

If the decision was being made purely on sporting grounds, then reconstruction (temporary or permanent) would have been an option...and arguably the better one. That option hasn't been pursued for reasons other than sporting reasons.

The reconstruction options would benefit some clubs (Hearts, Partick and Stranraer) but would have punished others with no promotion (Clyde, Cover Rangers etc.). The point is that, no matter the course of action taken, someone was going to lose out. The fairest option, if no matches can be played this season, would be to end the league as it stand. No play-offs as no matches can be played.

Also the lower leagues voted in favour of reconstruction so why not do so in those leagues? It's as if Hearts are only really interested in restructure of the top league...

[Heisenberg]

Allisbarry certainly getting his money’s worth out of Deans 😂

https://twitter.com/edinburghsport/status/1260105476215312386?s=21

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[jacomo]

If the decision was being made purely on sporting grounds, then reconstruction (temporary or permanent) would have been an option...and arguably the better one. That option hasn't been pursued for reasons other than sporting reasons.


Ok, but again... Budge was given a task force and her requested 2-3 weeks to come up with a proposal. She came up with nothing.

How can the clubs vote in favour of a vague idea?

[calumhibee1]

Meanwhile, the Foundation of Hearts are not taking this well. Banderson got their email as a loyal subscriber and has published it:


Foundation feel Hearts are 'under siege' with Scottish football now a 'laughing stock'

Fans group urge Tynecastle support to help club survive

5 hours ago
Monday, 11th May 2020, 3:59 pm
Hearts fans are being urged to back their club.

Foundation of Hearts today likened the current troubles at Tynecastle Park to being “under siege” as they rounded on Scottish Premiership chairmen who voted against league reconstruction.

Hearts supporters are being urged to back their club to help them survive both the coronavirus pandemic and potential relegation following the collapse of restructuring talks.

The Foundation, backed by more than 7,500 members, helped Hearts out of administration in 2013 and have donated more than £10million in funding since.

They delivered a scathing statement on the current crisis, accusing clubs who refused to entertain a league restructure of ruining “any potential for progress for our game”.
They also insisted Hearts will survive the difficulties, pointing to the strength and loyalty of their fanbase.

Chairman Stuart Wallace wrote to members: “I am writing to you to keep you up to date with the board’s position following recent developments.

“We have commented previously on the incompetence of the governing body regarding the infamous 10 April vote.

“This failing has, in our opinion, been compounded by a shambolic approach to governance, a wilful abandonment of a basic principle of the guardians of a membership organisation (namely a resolve to act with a duty of care for all its members), a depressing dearth of leadership at a time of crisis, an arrogant ‘our way or no way’ approach, lack of any respect or contrition, and abysmal communications. Scottish football is now widely regarded as a laughing stock, and fans deserve much, much better.

“On Friday, we heard the news that the reconstruction talks had been torpedoed by a group of six clubs who are currently in the Premier League – and this before they had received the written proposals which were being developed by the task force.

“It is as depressing as the attitude of the governing body that these clubs used the pandemic crisis to destroy any potential for progress for our game, stating that this was not the time to be looking at change or something new. We disagree.

“The Foundation of Hearts stands as a powerful example of how and why a crisis is exactly the time for imaginative thinking. At a moment when the situation could not possibly have been more challenging for our club, a group of fans, criticised by many doubters and nay-sayers, dared to think differently, to embrace change, to come up with an innovative plan, and to make it happen. Being bold in thought and action did not distract: it brought results.

“It is worth reflecting, too, that while on-field rivalries are the lifeblood of the game, we have also held to a principle that supporting others in our sport was the right thing to do and that it could contribute to the wider strength of our football community. For our part, we have been active in talking to fans’ groups from many clubs, outlining our strategies and offering advice. This has included clubs in the Premier League.

“From now, though, our unwavering focus will be to continue to deliver total support on behalf of Heart of Midlothian. First, we will back wholeheartedly the option of the club exploring further action should we indeed be expelled from the Premier League. And secondly, we will continue to take the message to supporters that – even more so now – the Foundation of Hearts is the envy of every other club in Scotland (and well beyond).

“Once again, through no fault of the fans, we are in a situation that feels close to being under siege. We urge everyone to stay strong and prove yet again that we have the right principles, the enduring commitment, and the sheer bloody-mindedness to ensure that our club prospers no matter what is thrown at us.

“It may be that not all clubs will survive this crisis. Thanks to you, Hearts will.”

The FOH is an example of why a crisis is the time for imaginative thinking? They do realise this is a global health crisis that’s killing hundreds of thousands of people and not the administration of an overspending football team? Imagine likening the two situations. Self important bellends.

[calumhibee1]

The reconstruction options would benefit some clubs (Hearts, Partick and Stranraer) but would have punished others with no promotion (Clyde, Cover Rangers etc.). The point is that, no matter the course of action taken, someone was going to lose out. The fairest option, if no matches can be played this season, would be to end the league as it stand. No play-offs as no matches can be played.

Also the lower leagues voted in favour of reconstruction so why not do so in those leagues? It's as if Hearts are only really interested in restructure of the top league...

Clyde weren’t losing out on promotion. They were being relegated from 7th place with an 18 point cushion from the automatic relegation spot. Budge of course thought that was absolutely fine though as long as Hearts would be safe.

[Radium]

Taking self-interest as the starting point for all clubs in this (particularly given the legal duties of the individual boards), the real trick is to work out what is the best way to get the best deal for your club.

This is where Hearts, ICT and others have blown it. The leagues were always likely to be called but you are allowed to look for change that helps you out. Feeding the press with very spun stories, reading out confidential WhatsApp messages on national radio, making it clear that reconstruction is a short term measure to stop you getting relegated and sharing a bed with the butt cheek from Govan have alienated lots of other clubs.

My thoughts are that this will end with no reconstruction and solidarity/ compensation payments for SPFL clubs that are relegated/ missed out on playoffs. Difficulty for those clubs in the negotiations is that they have dragged the game through the mud and now have to convince others to give up money.

Enquiry/ No enquiry will just impact the timeline.


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[Andy74]

All connected to Hearts are now lying to themselves, which isn't a good spot to be in.

You chance your arm so far with these things and see what you can get away with to save yourself. When you start getting into believing your own nonsense then you are in trouble.

This will probably harm their recovery. They need to accept certain things about the way they operate before they can address them and sort themselves out.

If they all actually believe that their situation has been imposed on them they will probably redouble their efforts to prove that.

[jacomo]

Taking self-interest as the starting point for all clubs in this (particularly given the legal duties of the individual boards), the real trick is to work out what is the best way to get the best deal for your club.

This is where Hearts, ICT and others have blown it. The leagues were always likely to be called but you are allowed to look for change that helps you out. Feeding the press with very spun stories, reading out confidential WhatsApp messages on national radio, making it clear that reconstruction is a short term measure to stop you getting relegated and sharing a bed with the butt cheek from Govan have alienated lots of other clubs.

My thoughts are that this will end with no reconstruction and solidarity/ compensation payments for SPFL clubs that are relegated/ missed out on playoffs. Difficulty for those clubs in the negotiations is that they have dragged the game through the mud and now have to convince others to give up money.

Enquiry/ No enquiry will just impact the timeline.


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Personally I resent the idea of cash being taken from the SPFL (ie us) to be given as a solidarity payment to Hearts, who have shown nothing but naked self-interest throughout this crisis and accuse us of being sanctimonious to hide their own failings... but you are right, this is probably the way it will go.

[bingo70]

All connected to Hearts are now lying to themselves, which isn't a good spot to be in.

You chance your arm so far with these things and see what you can get away with to save yourself. When you start getting into believing your own nonsense then you are in trouble.

This will probably harm their recovery. They need to accept certain things about the way they operate before they can address them and sort themselves out.

If they all actually believe that their situation has been imposed on them they will probably redouble their efforts to prove that.

So many people convincing them that they need to take this all the way to court, it’s going to put whoever it is that has to burst their bubble in a hell of a spot.

There isn’t a chance this is going all the way to court, everyone being whipped into a frenzy about doing so isn’t healthy for them. As you say, a bit self reflection from them in terms of how they got into this position would serve them far better.

[Aldo]

All connected to Hearts are now lying to themselves, which isn't a good spot to be in.

You chance your arm so far with these things and see what you can get away with to save yourself. When you start getting into believing your own nonsense then you are in trouble.

This will probably harm their recovery. They need to accept certain things about the way they operate before they can address them and sort themselves out.

If they all actually believe that their situation has been imposed on them they will probably redouble their efforts to prove that.

True but they will never ever state that the problem is of their own making.


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[Future17]

Reconstructing to save teams from relegation when the rules state they should be relegated wouldn't be for sporting reasons. The rules of the game haven't suddenly been changed because of COVID-19. They're just being applied.

Sporting reasons and what is in the Rules are not necessarily the same thing, but maybe that's just my interpretation. In any event, the current circumstances are likely going to require some of the Rules tobe rewritten. It would seem strange to say some rules can be rewritten in exceptional circumstances, but others can't.


The issue is no reconstruction was going to please all clubs so to me and the clubs the current set up seemed the fairest. Team at top win the league team at bottom go down. It is harsh on clubs like Thistle, Hearts, Falkirk etc but given the current circumstance not sure there was any viable option especially with a new tv deal starting in August.

Agreed.


The reconstruction options would benefit some clubs (Hearts, Partick and Stranraer) but would have punished others with no promotion (Clyde, Cover Rangers etc.). The point is that, no matter the course of action taken, someone was going to lose out. The fairest option, if no matches can be played this season, would be to end the league as it stand. No play-offs as no matches can be played.

Reconstruction would have been possible by allowing promotion but preventing relegation. There are good reasons why that didn't happen, but they are primarily financial.


Ok, but again... Budge was given a task force and her requested 2-3 weeks to come up with a proposal. She came up with nothing.

How can the clubs vote in favour of a vague idea?

I'm not suggesting they could have, although my understanding was the circulation of the reconstruction paper was pre-empted by the Prem clubs saying they wouldn't support any reconstruction.

The task force's main problem was (presumably) the financial obstacles, not the sporting ones.

[AltheHibby]

If they really wanted to look after people in sport they could start by diverting their funds to their creditors. Or is is it only "vermin" like STF who pay the creditors because it's the right thing to do?

[calumhibee1]

Reconstruction would have been possible by allowing promotion but preventing relegation. There are good reasons why that didn't happen, but they are primarily financial.

It wouldn’t have if we went with the 14-14-14 or 14-14-16 models that were suggested. 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th in League One would all have been relegated to make up the 14 or 16.

[Jdawg]

Taking self-interest as the starting point for all clubs in this (particularly given the legal duties of the individual boards), the real trick is to work out what is the best way to get the best deal for your club.

This is where Hearts, ICT and others have blown it. The leagues were always likely to be called but you are allowed to look for change that helps you out. Feeding the press with very spun stories, reading out confidential WhatsApp messages on national radio, making it clear that reconstruction is a short term measure to stop you getting relegated and sharing a bed with the butt cheek from Govan have alienated lots of other clubs.

My thoughts are that this will end with no reconstruction and solidarity/ compensation payments for SPFL clubs that are relegated/ missed out on playoffs. Difficulty for those clubs in the negotiations is that they have dragged the game through the mud and now have to convince others to give up money.

Enquiry/ No enquiry will just impact the timeline.


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Not sure about this but I assume any solidarity payment would go to a vote too? If that’s the case, the way these clubs have behaved they will have lost any sympathy from the remaining clubs.

Hearts want compensated but are paying Boyce and Naismith £6k plus per week?

[Future17]

It wouldn’t have if we went with the 14-14-14 or 14-14-16 models that were suggested. 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th in League One would all have been relegated to make up the 14 or 16.

Agreed, but those weren't the only reconstruction models available. If reconstruction had been implemented on a purely sporting basis, a much simpler change was all that was required.

[JeMeSouviens]

All connected to Hearts are now lying to themselves, which isn't a good spot to be in.

You chance your arm so far with these things and see what you can get away with to save yourself. When you start getting into believing your own nonsense then you are in trouble.

This will probably harm their recovery. They need to accept certain things about the way they operate before they can address them and sort themselves out.

If they all actually believe that their situation has been imposed on them they will probably redouble their efforts to prove that.

:agree:

Pretty much exactly why Rangers mk 2 have struggled so much in replacing Rangers mk 1.

[hibeerealist]

Agreed, but those weren't the only reconstruction models available. If reconstruction had been implemented on a purely sporting basis, a much simpler change was all that was required.

Why tamper with something that is working and is favoured by the vast majority of clubs?

Why also risk any disagreement with our broadcaster (Sky) on a deal (new, starting August 2020)?

For what, so as not to relegate the team who have been the worst in the division over the last year?

[Gloucester Hibs]

If there is really to be solidarity payments made to the poppy thieves to compensate for the shock of relegation it should come at a price. They need their wings clipped; ok here’s your GTF dosh but on the condition that you STFU now about perceived injustices, corruption, bullying, conspiracies or any other pish they’ve been whining about

[18Craig75]

Should we also be entitled to a solidarity payment? We lost out on c130k by voting to end the season and dropping a position. As far as I can tell all we are actually the only club that can genuinely say they’ve acted ‘in the best interest of the game’.

[JimBHibees]

Why tamper with something that is working and is favoured by the vast majority of clubs?

Why also risk any disagreement with our broadcaster (Sky) on a deal (new, starting August 2020)?

For what, so as not to relegate the team who have been the worst in the division over the last year?

Pretty much sums it up. If St Mirren had lost to Hearts you wouldn't have heard a peep out of the Budgie.

[Radium]

Not sure about this but I assume any solidarity payment would go to a vote too? If that’s the case, the way these clubs have behaved they will have lost any sympathy from the remaining clubs.

Hearts want compensated but are paying Boyce and Naismith £6k plus per week?

The 3M figure being thrown about won’t happen, I would have thought something around 150k added to the parachute payments will be about the best they can hope for. Would be surprised if much over 400-500k was used for compensation across all clubs. All speculation on my part but had they dealt with it differently, not rolling over but by linking the loss of the sporting opportunity to a solidarity payment they would have probably got a better result when the negotiations take place.


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[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Pretty much sums it up. If St Mirren had lost to Hearts you wouldn't have heard a peep out of the Budgie.

If the huns were in Celtic's position and Gerrard was about to secure his 1st trophy and Hearts had beaten St Mirren, could you imagine the same furore about ending the season.

[Future17]

Why tamper with something that is working and is favoured by the vast majority of clubs?

Why also risk any disagreement with our broadcaster (Sky) on a deal (new, starting August 2020)?

For what, so as not to relegate the team who have been the worst in the division over the last year?

The reason to do it would be not to relegate teams based on their performance over 30 matches of a 38-match season.

The reasons not to do it are predominantly financial.

I understand there's no perfect solution, but my main point (several pages back now) is that it's harsh to relegate the relegated teams in these circumstances.

It's sad to see sporting competitions being driven primarily by financial concerns, but I'm aware that's the modern reality (which, judging by your username, you'll probably agree with). :greengrin

[PatHead]

Agreed, but those weren't the only reconstruction models available. If reconstruction had been implemented on a purely sporting basis, a much simpler change was all that was required.

Such as?

The bottom league had already said the only reconstruction they would vote for was three leagues. No other format would be considered.

Clyde and others then said they would not support that.

Rushed reconstruction was never going to work.

It was not only the Premiership that rejected the plans even if saying that suits your and Hearts agenda.

[high bee]

The reason to do it would be not to relegate teams based on their performance over 30 matches of a 38-match season.

The reasons not to do it are predominantly financial.

I understand there's no perfect solution, but my main point (several pages back now) is that it's harsh to relegate the relegated teams in these circumstances.

It's sad to see sporting competitions being driven primarily by financial concerns, but I'm aware that's the modern reality (which, judging by your username, you'll probably agree with). :greengrin

Positions 7-10 in League 1 (Clyde have an 18 point cushion on bottom) would find themselves in the bottom tier as would Cove Rangers who should be promoted. The models suggested seem far more unfair to them than relegating the teams in the automatic relegation spots. (Hearts, Partick, Stranraer). So I totally agree that there is no perfect solution.

So can you please demonstrate how we could avoid relegating any team who hasn’t completed the season? This is not a jibe BTW, if there’s a way to do it then it should be done. I can’t think of a way and my feeling is that certain clubs would be happy to whitewash over the injustice for multiple ‘wee’ teams provided their team is okay.

[007]

Allisbarry certainly getting his money’s worth out of Deans 😂

https://twitter.com/edinburghsport/status/1260105476215312386?s=21

https://twitter.com/edinburghsport/status/1260105761084125189?s=21

Budge: Tell me Mr Lawyer, do you think we've got a good case?

Lawyer (whose livelihood depends on fees from taking on cases and whose business has been suffering very badly due to the Covid-19 crisis): Yes, you have a very good chance of winning.

Budge: Will you do it on a no win no fee basis?

Lawyer: Ah...em....well...💡....I'm actually a Hibby so maybe you'd be better trying Smith, Cardigan, Fudsworth, Creditor, Plaza (née Piazza) and Rover solicitors next door.

[matty_f]

The reason to do it would be not to relegate teams based on their performance over 30 matches of a 38-match season.

The reasons not to do it are predominantly financial.

I understand there's no perfect solution, but my main point (several pages back now) is that it's harsh to relegate the relegated teams in these circumstances.

It's sad to see sporting competitions being driven primarily by financial concerns, but I'm aware that's the modern reality (which, judging by your username, you'll probably agree with). :greengrin

I actually agree that it's harsh to relegate a team when the season hasn't been played out in full. Where I disagree is that decisions have been pretty financial. While finance has undoubtedly played a part, I think a lot of people are overlooking the actual practicalities of trying to complete the season.

IMHO, based on what we currently know, finishing this season is impossible for a whole host of reasons.

With that knowledge, the only option really is to ends the league season as it stands, and accept that there will be some winners and losers from the situation. Ultimately, in 8 games' time we'd have had some winners and losers, such is the nature of sport.

Reconstruction as a sticking plaster for the wounds of the relegated clubs isn't a good enough reason to do it, and trying to find a solution that suits all parties (which it would have to do, to meet the sporting integrity and fairness criteria those that shouted for reconstruction hinged their argument on) with a matter of weeks was never going to happen.

If reconstruction is going to happen then it should be well thought out, considered and beneficial to everyone.

Ideally we'd see Hearts relegated after all the games were played, but that's not going to happen. What's going ahead as things stand is the least unfair option across all clubs that there is available, whilst still being practical.

[brog]

Should we also be entitled to a solidarity payment? We lost out on c130k by voting to end the season and dropping a position. As far as I can tell all we are actually the only club that can genuinely say they’ve acted ‘in the best interest of the game’.

We certainly are the only club to have actually voted against our short term self interest, in the long term interest of the greater good. Given that 3 of St J's 4 games were away against us & the uglies we were long odds on to be 6th at the break.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

[QUOTE=Future17;6169964]”The reason to do it would be not to relegate teams based on their performance over 30 matches of a 38-match season.”

The flip side of that argument would be, is it fair that a side who have been dreadful over 30 games, odds on to get relegated(form and previous history of 10 out of the last 11 seasons the team bottom at this stage go down), won 4 games out of 30 and now require 2 wins in their last 8 to get off the bottom(assuming nobody around them picks up a single point, in which case they would require more than 2 wins from 8). Why should a world pandemic spare them from what was undoubtedly coming? That’s not sporting integrity either.

[calumhibee1]

We certainly are the only club to have actually voted against our short term self interest, in the long term interest of the greater good. Given that 3 of St J's 4 games were away against us & the uglies we were long odds on to be 6th at the break.

Na, that can’t be right. Budgie said so.

[Rumble de Thump]

Anyone who watched Hearts play over the course of the season, read the league rules and looked at the league table will agree that relegating Hearts is not harsh. It's fair, deserved and the rules dictate they have to go.

[calumhibee1]

Anyone who watched Hearts play over the course of the season, read the league rules and looked at the league table will agree that relegating Hearts is not harsh. It's fair, deserved and the rules dictate they have to go.

:agree:

I’m finding myself unable to find it harsh in any way.

[Future17]

Such as?

The bottom league had already said the only reconstruction they would vote for was three leagues. No other format would be considered.

Clyde and others then said they would not support that.

Rushed reconstruction was never going to work.

It was not only the Premiership that rejected the plans even if saying that suits your and Hearts agenda.

I don't have an agenda as such, just a point of view.

As I've said a few times now, there's no perfect solution and, for the avoidance of doubt, I do think it seems like the best option was chosen from all the bad options, taking into account all circumstances. However, I think it seems as though the main motivation in not proceeding with reconstruction is financial. I'm not criticising that, as that's the modern reality, but I think it's come at the cost of sporting fairness.

To answer your question though, if the desire was there to find a purely sporting solution, there are several possible options, from which we'd again have to pick the least worst. For example, we could have had a 14-10-10-10 structure for 1 or more seasons. It's far from perfect but, on a sporting basis, I think it's better than relegating teams for their performance over 80% of the season.


Positions 7-10 in League 1 (Clyde have an 18 point cushion on bottom) would find themselves in the bottom tier as would Cove Rangers who should be promoted. The models suggested seem far more unfair to them than relegating the teams in the automatic relegation spots. (Hearts, Partick, Stranraer). So I totally agree that there is no perfect solution.

So can you please demonstrate how we could avoid relegating any team who hasn’t completed the season? This is not a jibe BTW, if there’s a way to do it then it should be done. I can’t think of a way and my feeling is that certain clubs would be happy to whitewash over the injustice for multiple ‘wee’ teams provided their team is okay.

I've touched on this above. I 100% agree with Clyde's position. I would have them remain in League 1 which would still be the second bottom tier.

[Future17]

I actually agree that it's harsh to relegate a team when the season hasn't been played out in full. Where I disagree is that decisions have been pretty financial. While finance has undoubtedly played a part, I think a lot of people are overlooking the actual practicalities of trying to complete the season.

IMHO, based on what we currently know, finishing this season is impossible for a whole host of reasons.

With that knowledge, the only option really is to ends the league season as it stands, and accept that there will be some winners and losers from the situation. Ultimately, in 8 games' time we'd have had some winners and losers, such is the nature of sport.

Reconstruction as a sticking plaster for the wounds of the relegated clubs isn't a good enough reason to do it, and trying to find a solution that suits all parties (which it would have to do, to meet the sporting integrity and fairness criteria those that shouted for reconstruction hinged their argument on) with a matter of weeks was never going to happen.

If reconstruction is going to happen then it should be well thought out, considered and beneficial to everyone.

Ideally we'd see Hearts relegated after all the games were played, but that's not going to happen. What's going ahead as things stand is the least unfair option across all clubs that there is available, whilst still being practical.

I agree with most of that - it's certainly not practical to finish the season. I don't think the practicalities of temporary reconstruction are relatively minor (purely on sporting terms). The largest downside would be likely be reduced promotion opportunities in the short term, but at least teams would know what they're competing for at the start of the season and the outcome would dependon their performance across the full season, as it should.




The flip side of that argument would be, is it fair that a side who have been dreadful over 30 games, odds on to get relegated(form and previous history of 10 out of the last 11 seasons the team bottom at this stage go down), won 4 games out of 30 and now require 2 wins in their last 8 to get off the bottom(assuming nobody around them picks up a single point, in which case they would require more than 2 wins from 8). Why should a world pandemic spare them from what was undoubtedly coming? That’s not sporting integrity either.

As much as we all hoped it was coming, it was far from "undoubted". As discussed previously, loads of teams have gotten themselves out of worse relegation trouble than Hearts were in with 8 games to play.

[high bee]

I've touched on this above. I 100% agree with Clyde's position. I would have them remain in League 1 which would still be the second bottom tier.

The closest thing to nobody suffering that I can think of is a 16-16-12 set up because then you’re only left with a dilemma over Cove Rangers vs Stranraer as all other teams stay in their current tier in the pyramid or move up one.

Stranraer could be offered a healthy parachute payment which, given the prize money at that level, would be a drop in the ocean when spread amongst all the other members.

Problems would occur if they still didn’t accept it or the other clubs around them complain about them getting a higher cash payment. Then there’s the TV, sponsorship and prize money debate but ultimately if the clubs vote it through it’s the closest thing to looking after all clubs that certain clubs keep banging on about.

[CapitalGreen]

The closest thing to nobody suffering that I can think of is a 16-16-12 set up because then you’re only left with a dilemma over Cove Rangers vs Stranraer as all other teams stay in their current tier in the pyramid or move up one.

Stranraer could be offered a healthy parachute payment which, given the prize money at that level, would be a drop in the ocean when spread amongst all the other members.

Problems would occur if they still didn’t accept it or the other clubs around them complain about them getting a higher cash payment. Then there’s the TV, sponsorship and prize money debate but ultimately if the clubs vote it through it’s the closest thing to looking after all clubs that certain clubs keep banging on about.

The closest thing to nobody suffering is 12-12-10-10 but that option wasn’t pursued because of Hearts self-interest as they were the only team to lose out in that scenario.

[high bee]

The closest thing to nobody suffering is 12-12-10-10 but that option wasn’t pursued because of Hearts self-interest as they were the only team to lose out in that scenario.

Good point and that makes more sense if you believe that a 12 team league is better than 16 (which I do).

[weecounty hibby]

The closest thing to nobody suffering is 12-12-10-10 but that option wasn’t pursued because of Hearts self-interest as they were the only team to lose out in that scenario.
Correct. Wasn't even talked about and I think that may have gone through. It would be the only scenario that I would have cited for. But as you say hearts are only interested in the greater good of Scottish football so it wasn't mentioned. Sorry I meant the greater good of heart of Midlothian football

[Future17]

The closest thing to nobody suffering is 12-12-10-10 but that option wasn’t pursued because of Hearts self-interest as they were the only team to lose out in that scenario.

Why is 12-12-10-10 better than 14-10-10-10? I'm not saying I disagree, just wondering about the logic.

[Andy74]

Correct. Wasn't even talked about and I think that may have gone through. It would be the only scenario that I would have cited for. But as you say hearts are only interested in the greater good of Scottish football so it wasn't mentioned. Sorry I meant the greater good of heart of Midlothian football

Why should no one suffer?

Teams get relegated every year.

Are relegated teams going to suffer even more due to Covid?

Relatively, no. Everyone is going to suffer on that front.

[Skol]

Would Hearts have accepted reconstruction with a caveat that as the club in bottom, they only qualify for say 75% (actual amount needs a financial modeller to work out) of whatever income they earn in the next season which would ensure the financial impact is spread across everyone.

Nope, thought not, they wanted to finish top 6 and be better off

[steviehibsleith]

Why is 12-12-10-10 better than 14-10-10-10? I'm not saying I disagree, just wondering about the logic.
Money

The Sky sports deal is only to show SPL games plus play offs
Why do you think Budge is saying 3/4 million losses
You are putting two more teams to dilute the Pot Cormack at Aberdeen said this would take 600k from Aberdeeen share

Championship is BBC and Premier sports have a deal also

[Hibs4185]

Ian Murray in his interview said it was right to end the season now but the only fair way was for league reconstruction.

In other words, we don’t want to finish the season as we will get relegated anyway.

I think the jambos quite like the injustice. They know they are odds ok for relegation anyway, this way they can invoke the famous macrame battalion spirit, man the barricades and all that pish. They will thrive of the injustice for years

[A Hi-Bee]

Anyone who watched Hearts play over the course of the season, read the league rules and looked at the league table will agree that relegating Hearts is not harsh. It's fair, deserved and the rules dictate they have to go.

Its all just deflection, they should go down, not harsh or unfair, no problem with looking at some form of recalibration/reconstruction sometime in the future once football is going again, this is no time for deflection as more important things going on.
I feel that some on here perhaps have there own agenda, the BBC for sure has not mentioned one thing to support any opinion that is not for a no change.
No two ways about it get them relegated and then look at the set up once the game is being played, and some kind of league set up is in place.
Not harsh, not unfair just the way it is.
:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:

[Onion]

I actually agree that it's harsh to relegate a team when the season hasn't been played out in full. Where I disagree is that decisions have been pretty financial. While finance has undoubtedly played a part, I think a lot of people are overlooking the actual practicalities of trying to complete the season.

IMHO, based on what we currently know, finishing this season is impossible for a whole host of reasons.

With that knowledge, the only option really is to ends the league season as it stands, and accept that there will be some winners and losers from the situation. Ultimately, in 8 games' time we'd have had some winners and losers, such is the nature of sport.

Reconstruction as a sticking plaster for the wounds of the relegated clubs isn't a good enough reason to do it, and trying to find a solution that suits all parties (which it would have to do, to meet the sporting integrity and fairness criteria those that shouted for reconstruction hinged their argument on) with a matter of weeks was never going to happen.

If reconstruction is going to happen then it should be well thought out, considered and beneficial to everyone.

Ideally we'd see Hearts relegated after all the games were played, but that's not going to happen. What's going ahead as things stand is the least unfair option across all clubs that there is available, whilst still being practical.

Agree with that. Still think some compensation could be given to those most adversely impacted - Partick, Hearts etc funded from the new TV deal. No, it's not perfect and won't appease them, but at least it would show some empathy for the position they find themselves in. But for the grace , St M could easily have found themselves in bottom slot, Partick could quite possibly have escaped with their game in hand. To ask those clubs to pick up the full cost of relegation is harsh .

[Rumble de Thump]

Agree with that. Still think some compensation could be given to those most adversely impacted - Partick, Hearts etc funded from the new TV deal. No, it's not perfect and won't appease them, but at least it would show some empathy for the position they find themselves in. But for the grace , St M could easily have found themselves in bottom slot, Partick could quite possibly have escaped with their game in hand. To ask those clubs to pick up the full cost of relegation is harsh .

The position Hearts have found themselves in is bottom of the league at the end of the season. They don't deserve extra money and they would only waste it anyway. They certainly wouldn't use it to pay their employees what they owe them.

[hibeerealist]

The 3M figure being thrown about won’t happen, I would have thought something around 150k added to the parachute payments will be about the best they can hope for. Would be surprised if much over 400-500k was used for compensation across all clubs. All speculation on my part but had they dealt with it differently, not rolling over but by linking the loss of the sporting opportunity to a solidarity payment they would have probably got a better result when the negotiations take place.


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Parachute payment I think is £500k first season. IF we put it to a vote in the SPL maybe clubs could agree a 10% Solidarity payment of say 10% (£50k), this could pay 2 months wages for Bryce & Naismith at their rate post wage cut. That would help their finances greatly over the close season and more importantly, enable them to retain two vastly important members of their squad, a very generous gesture indeed from the football community!!!

[Future17]

Money

The Sky sports deal is only to show SPL games plus play offs
Why do you think Budge is saying 3/4 million losses
You are putting two more teams to dilute the Pot Cormack at Aberdeen said this would take 600k from Aberdeeen share

Championship is BBC and Premier sports have a deal also

That's what I was wondering. It all seems to come back to finance.

[euro Hibby]

Beats me why anybody sane would agree to fund hearts court case ! They have been so badly run as a club for a while now so they don't merit any sympathy from any source.
Football is full of conmen. As said before by many , take your pusnishment, man -up. You are bottom for a reason !

[Kato]

Beats me why anybody sane would agree to fund hearts court case ! They have been so badly run as a club for a while now so they don't merit any sympathy from any source.
Football is full of conmen. As said before by many , take your pusnishment, man -up. You are bottom for a reason !Agreed but if these absolute weapons want to chip in more we should sit back and let them. They haven't a leg to stand on.

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[Onion]

The position Hearts have found themselves in is bottom of the league at the end of the season. They don't deserve extra money and they would only waste it anyway. They certainly wouldn't use it to pay their employees what they owe them.

It's not the money, it's the principle.

If there was more money in the Scottish game this would not even be debated - they would definitely be given some comp to soften the blow. But every penny is a prisoner for clubs at the moment as we've no idea what the future looks like.

[007]

AB speaks!

.........
Fundamentally, the main reason clubs are not prepared to consider a restructure is because of the Sky contract. It is well known that Sky would have to agree to a restructure. Without any discussion with Sky, there is a totally incomprehensible assumption that we would be unable to navigate successfully through any such negotiation. What does that say about the strength or otherwise of our “partnership”? Perhaps more tellingly, what does it say about the confidence our clubs have in the ability of the SPFL to negotiate? The message is clear. This could be difficult so let’s not bother trying. It’s too risky!
........

Budge the expert on negotiating who showed her hand the minute reconstruction talks were mentioned.

[JeMeSouviens]

Beats me why anybody sane would agree to fund hearts court case ! They have been so badly run as a club for a while now so they don't merit any sympathy from any source.
Football is full of conmen. As said before by many , take your pusnishment, man -up. You are bottom for a reason !

Has anybody sane?

[jacomo]

Ian Murray in his interview said it was right to end the season now but the only fair way was for league reconstruction.

In other words, we don’t want to finish the season as we will get relegated anyway.

I think the jambos quite like the injustice. They know they are odds ok for relegation anyway, this way they can invoke the famous macrame battalion spirit, man the barricades and all that pish. They will thrive of the injustice for years


Ok three simple questions on reconstruction, assuming the goal is a 14 team top league:

1. Is there a split and if so how is the league divided?
2. How many relegation places?
3. Is it permanent or temporary?

This is just the start, but neither Budge nor anyone else can answer these questions because her task force failed to agree on a proposal.

I am sick and tired of Jambos moaning and greeting and demanding reconstruction, with no proposal on the table.

[Greenworld]

Anyone know what hearts percentage of wages to turnover is .
Im thinking with the benefactors money being withdrawn it will very high going forward

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[jacomo]

Budge the expert negotiator who showed her hand the minute reconstruction talks were mentioned.


Quite wisely, the SPFL will keep Budge as far away from the Sky contract as possible. The thought of her negotiating with broadcasters on behalf of the clubs is actually terrifying.

[Joe6-2]

Quite wisely, the SPFL will keep Budge as far away from the Sky contract as possible. The thought of her negotiating with broadcasters on behalf of the clubs is actually terrifying.

Thankfully be nothing to do with her from the championship!

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/loic-damour-plans-hearts-talks-over-his-future-if-club-go-down-2850386

Sounds like he’s staying and on big wages.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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[007]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/loic-damour-plans-hearts-talks-over-his-future-if-club-go-down-2850386

Sounds like he’s staying and on big wages.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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Made him an offer he couldn't refuse , which translates as paying him a lot more than he's worth and heavily weighted towards basic and small %age as bonus. 😂 He's going nowhere.

[Peevemor]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/loic-damour-plans-hearts-talks-over-his-future-if-club-go-down-2850386

Sounds like he’s staying and on big wages.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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Excellent! Lucky them!

[04Sauzee]

Made him an offer he couldn't refuse , which translates as paying him a lot more than he's worth and heavily weighted towards basic and small %age as bonus. 😂 He's going nowhere.

Hearts fans wanting him article 12'd on Kickback 🤣

[007]

Hearts fans wanting him article 12'd on Kickback 🤣

Surely they're not in favour of people being expelled?

[hibbyfraelibby]

The closest thing to nobody suffering is 12-12-10-10 but that option wasn’t pursued because of Hearts self-interest as they were the only team to lose out in that scenario.

Agreed. That solution minimised the impact across the whole game. Highland and Lowland leagues hapoy, promoted teams happy, Partick and Stranraer not relegated. Only one team out of 42 suffering the consequences. All Budge needed was a fag packet...

[calumhibee1]

Made him an offer he couldn't refuse , which translates as paying him a lot more than he's worth and heavily weighted towards basic and small %age as bonus. 😂 He's going nowhere.

An offer he couldn’t refuse while he was playing for one of the bigger English Championship sides. Think it’s safe to say he’ll be on Naismith and Boyce style wages as well. Hope he stays.

[Biggie]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/loic-damour-plans-hearts-talks-over-his-future-if-club-go-down-2850386

Sounds like he’s staying and on big wages.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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Yep, certainly looks that way......and clearly on big wages, hardly likely to walk away from that.
Pleasing

[The 90+2]

Why should no one suffer?

Teams get relegated every year.

Are relegated teams going to suffer even more due to Covid?

Relatively, no. Everyone is going to suffer on that front.

If they are due any sort of “compensation” it should be for the percentage of the games that didn’t get played in the top division and that’s about it. Chuck them in the bin.

[The 90+2]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/loic-damour-plans-hearts-talks-over-his-future-if-club-go-down-2850386

Sounds like he’s staying and on big wages.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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What a coup for Levein. Well played HMFC.

[04Sauzee]

Surely they're not in favour of people being expelled?

OTT OTT

Posted 1 hour ago
2 hours ago, Last Laff said:
Hopefully this ****ing chancer:



https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/loic-damour-hearts-confession-midfielder-22013380



He signed because “hearts offered me a contract I couldn’t refuse”



Four years. Cheers Craig.



Well he can **** off. If he'd turned up AT ALL this season we'd not be going down.



Article 12 the scroat and make it clear he's not wanted.

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[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I agree with most of that - it's certainly not practical to finish the season. I don't think the practicalities of temporary reconstruction are relatively minor (purely on sporting terms). The largest downside would be likely be reduced promotion opportunities in the short term, but at least teams would know what they're competing for at the start of the season and the outcome would dependon their performance across the full season, as it should.




As much as we all hoped it was coming, it was far from "undoubted". As discussed previously, loads of teams have gotten themselves out of worse relegation trouble than Hearts were in with 8 games to play.

Agreed. Leicester the year before winning the league being an example that springs to mind. However, far far more clubs go down in this situation so playing devils advocate, you could argue they are being given an unfair sporting advantage by being allowed to scrap this season. Bit like them being 2-0 down with 5 mins left and the floodlights go out. They’d maybe end up playing the game again, wouldn’t be fair though.

[SHODAN]

We should sign Damour purely so we can have a chant for him to the tune of Oh L'amour. It would be amazing.

[matty_f]

I presume Hearts won't use article 12, relegation release clauses or relegation wage reductions in any of their staff or players, so Budge can show she's serious about sticking to her principle that nobody should be punished by Covid...

[tomf]

Presumably Hearts would be faced with losing money if the season had run its course and they had still been bottom of the league. Their plea for some kind of compensation has to be based on the fact that they have missed the opportunity to avoid relegation and therefore any difference in income. That is to say, it is based on a “what if”. On the same basis Hibs could have finished much higher up the league. Every team in every league can say the same thing. If one were to be compensated then why not all the rest? The next question is where does the money come from and I’m afraid I, personally, would object in the strongest terms if Hibs, a well managed team, were to help toward funding a team who have clearly used financial doping as a means to attempt to win games and trophies. It would appear that Hearts have been mismanaged for years but there is little or no sign of contrition or remorse. I don’t suppose I am the only Hibs fan who despairs at the five one gesture when one considers the actual facts and debatable decisions around that score-line. However, it has never stopped them crowing. So, despite my more pragmatic tendencies, I would say hell mend them. I might have relented and changed that opinion and be arguing the case for compensation but the odious creature Deans couldn’t even make a case for his team without a very snide and cheap comment aimed directly at Hibs. Well then I would say to you Mr Deans, I heard you loud and clear, which is why you would get nothing from me and absolutely no support for a reconstruction or any legal action or a penny in your collection tin aimed at keeping your appalling team from disappearing.

[brog]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/loic-damour-plans-hearts-talks-over-his-future-if-club-go-down-2850386

Sounds like he’s staying and on big wages.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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The new Malaury Martin!! A ball winning midfield player who was dispossessed by tiger tackling Scotty for our 2nd Boxing Day goal. Stay as long as you like son!

[Future17]

Agreed. Leicester the year before winning the league being an example that springs to mind. However, far far more clubs go down in this situation so playing devils advocate, you could argue they are being given an unfair sporting advantage by being allowed to scrap this season. Bit like them being 2-0 down with 5 mins left and the floodlights go out. They’d maybe end up playing the game again, wouldn’t be fair though.

Yeah, I said similar before, except with 8 games of a 38-match season remaining, it's more like the floodlights going out after 79 mins. A lot can happen in football in 21 mins. :wink::flag:

[Peevemor]

Yeah, I said similar before, except with 8 games of a 38-match season remaining, it's more like the floodlights going out after 79 mins. A lot can happen in football in 21 mins. :wink::flag:

11?

[James Stephen]

Yeah, I said similar before, except with 8 games of a 38-match season remaining, it's more like the floodlights going out after 79 mins. A lot can happen in football in 21 mins. :wink::flag:

But a bit less in 11 minutes...

[rossevenil]

Yeah, I said similar before, except with 8 games of a 38-match season remaining, it's more like the floodlights going out after 79 mins. A lot can happen in football in 21 mins. :wink::flag:

With Maths like that you sure you ain`t a Jambo?:greengrin

[Biggie]

With Maths like that you sure you ain`t a Jambo?:greengrin

😭😭

[Future17]

11?


But a bit less in 11 minutes...


With Maths like that you sure you ain`t a Jambo?:greengrin

Confusing my % with my minutes! Is it not 19 minutes though...or am I having a complete mare? :confused::greengrin

[Peevemor]

Confusing my % with my minutes! Is it not 19 minutes though...or am I having a complete mare? :confused::greengrin

79 + 21 = 100

[Peevemor]

79 + 21 = 100

30/38 = 79%, the equivalent of approx 71 minutes of a 90 minute match.

[snedzuk]

If its against The Rangers and we're 2=0 up, there's for sure 21 minutes to play.

[Future17]

79 + 21 = 100


30/38 = 79%, the equivalent of approx 71 minutes of a 90 minute match.

Jeezo...I made a different mistake from the one I thought I made. :doh:

I think we all know what I meant though. :greengrin

In my defence, I have an 11-day old son so I'm pretty sleep deprived...at least I think he's 11 days old...it could be 21.

[Waxy]

Ooft 9 championship clubs voted against it.Only ICT predictably.
Hearts new only pals down there next season.

[Kavinho]

Yeah, I said similar before, except with 8 games of a 38-match season remaining, it's more like the floodlights going out after 79 mins. A lot can happen in football in 21 mins. :wink::flag:


But as I've shown previously, the form for them over a longer period than 38 games has them worse off than anyone else by quite a margin.

Feel far more for Partick who had a game in hand when the leagues were stopped, than I do for them, who've clearly been living on borrowed time for a long time now

[Since452]

This will hurt Hearts more than administration did. They are now a second tier club in Scotland with massive overheads and players on long term contracts with no televised games against Hibs and Rangers. Last time, they timed their administration (against sporting integrity I might add) so that they avoided relegation until the end of the following season giving them a whole calendar year to prepare.

Like the now infamous poster on Kickback said..

That my friends is ****ing Karma

[Alfred E Newman]

79 + 21 = 100

A but Craig Thomson has added on 10 additional minutes. 😍

[Bostonhibby]

Ooft 9 championship clubs voted against it.Only ICT predictably.
Hearts new only pals down there next season.All the Championship clubs must have been well impressed with gardiners role in all this and also their chairman fulsome letter of support.

Always had time for Inverness too. Ah well Nairn County it is..

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[The Spaceman]

Oh how they are HURTING on Jambos Brokeback.

Enjoy the Championship you complete and utter losers.

You will not be missed at all.

[weecounty hibby]

Oh how they are HURTING on Jambos Brokeback.

Enjoy the Championship you complete and utter losers.

You will not be missed at all.

Any particular highlights?

[Peevemor]

Oh how they are HURTING on Jambos Brokeback.

Enjoy the Championship you complete and utter losers.

You will not be missed at all.

Their current trip is that all 27 clubs who voted against "have something to hide", and "there is no reason to vote no unless you've been up to no good"

Assuming Hibs voted no - what do they think we have to hide?

And it seems that Henhousemanure are now allowed in their breakaway super league - that's us telt!

[660]

Call the league now plz. I have some goading to be getting on with

[Waxy]

There really is no point now of prolonging this any longer.

The guy from mortal combat has just shouted

Finish Him.

[EI255]

Karma you maroon muppets!

Yaaaaaaas (in an East London accent) [emoji3526]

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[Gloucester Hibs]

There really is no point now of prolonging this any longer.

The guy from mortal combat has just shouted

Finish Him.

Jambos = FATALITY!

[Barney McGrew]

Call the league now plz. I have some goading to be getting on with

You may find this picture particularly useful on that front :cb

23350

[jacomo]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/loic-damour-plans-hearts-talks-over-his-future-if-club-go-down-2850386

Sounds like he’s staying and on big wages.[emoji1696][emoji106]


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Sounds like a smart guy. Walking away from a 3 year contract certainly not a good idea at the moment.

Also, he understands how relegation works, which makes him smarter than the people running his club.

[Green Blood]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/leslie-deans-charged-money-laundering-offences-1559868

Leslie, get your washing machine and Persil at the ready!

[Hibs90]

Feel like any teams that voted no (or abstained) we should bring a banner that just reads "This stadium welcomes corruption."

:greengrin

[calumhibee1]

:greengrin

That’ll teach us :agree:

[Green Blood]

Heart of Midlothian F.C.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Heart of Midlothian Football Club, commonly known as Hearts, is a professional football (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football) club in Edinburgh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh), Scotland, that plays in the Scottish Premiership (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Premiership), the top tier in Scottish football (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Professional_Football_League).However, as they currently occupy bottom spot in the SPL it is expected that they shall be relegated due to the season being called complete because of the ongoing Covid 19 pandemic. Hearts, the oldest football club in the Scottish capital,[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.#cite_note-3) were formed in 1874, their name influenced by Walter Scott's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Scott) novel The Heart of Midlothian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heart_of_Midlothian).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.#cite_note-1874-1884-4) The club crest is based on the Heart of Midlothian mosaic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_(Royal_Mile)) the city's Royal Mile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Mile); the team's colours are maroon and white.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.#cite_note-1874-1884-4)
Hearts have played home matches at Tynecastle Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynecastle_Park) since 1886.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.#cite_note-Inglis447-5) After converting the ground into an all-seater stadium in 1990, it now has a capacity of just over 20,000 following the completion of a rebuilt main stand in 2017. Their training facilities are at the Oriam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriam), Scotland's national performance centre for sport, where they also run their youth academy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C._Under-20s_and_Academy).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.#cite_note-6)
Heart of Midlothian have won the Scottish league championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_football_champions) four times, most recently in 1959–60 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959%E2%80%9360_Scottish_Division_One), when they also retained the Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Scottish_League_Cup_Final) to complete a League and League Cup double (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_(association_football)#League_&_League_Cup_Double) – the only club outside of the Old Firm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Firm) to achieve such a feat.
The club's most successful period was under former player turned manager Tommy Walker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Walker_(footballer,_born_1915)) from the early 1950s to mid 1960s. Between 1954 and 1962 they won two league titles, one Scottish Cup, and four Scottish League Cups, and also finished inside the league's top four positions for 11 consecutive seasons between 1949–50 and 1959–60. Jimmy Wardhaugh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wardhaugh), Willie Bauld (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Bauld) and Alfie Conn Sr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfie_Conn_Sr.), known as the Terrible Trio, were forwards at the start of this period with wing half linchpins Dave Mackay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mackay) and John Cumming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cumming_(footballer)). Wardhaugh was part of another notable Hearts attacking trinity in the 1957–58 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%9358_Scottish_Division_One) league winning side. Along with Jimmy Murray (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Murray_(footballer,_born_1933)) and Alex Young (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Young_(footballer,_born_1937)),[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.#cite_note-lh1956-7) they set the record for the number of goals scored in a Scottish league winning campaign (132). In doing so, they also became the only side to finish a season with a goal difference exceeding 100 (+103).
Hearts have also won the Scottish Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Cup) eight times, most recently in 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Scottish_Cup_Final) after a 5–1 victory over Hibernian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.), their local rivals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_derby).[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.#cite_note-8) All four of Hearts' Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_League_Cup) triumphs came under Walker, most recently a 1–0 victory against Kilmarnock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilmarnock_F.C.) in 1962 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_Scottish_League_Cup_Final). Their most recent Scottish League Cup Final appearance was in 2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Scottish_League_Cup), where they lost 3–2 to St Mirren (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mirren_F.C.).
In 1958, Heart of Midlothian became the third Scottish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_Scotland) and fifth British (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_the_United_Kingdom) team to compete in European competition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA#Competitions). The club reached the quarter-finals of the 1988–89 UEFA Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_UEFA_Cup), losing to Bayern Munich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Bayern_Munich) 2–1 on aggregate.

[Real Emerald]

So Daniel Stendel’s Hearts relegated as they end the season bottom of the league and a whopping 14 points behind Jack Ross’s Hibs, Natural Order and all that. Stick that in your statement, that’s karma.

[Phil MaGlass]

anyone got any good gifs, I am doing a countdown for jambo mates,mmm,, acquantances

[Garymcl]

Just speaking to my jambo neighbor just now two things of interest from him (1) although he doesn’t naturally agree being releagated this way he also says no genuine alternative get on with it and take the medicine more interesting though (2) he cannot wait for away fixture at Dundee and I quote “there will be a huge jambo support and will rip the place apart “ I didn’t have time to have him explain does anyone know what he is on about?

[calumhibee1]

Just speaking to my jambo neighbor just now two things of interest from him (1) although he doesn’t naturally agree being releagated this way he also says no genuine alternative get on with it and take the medicine more interesting though (2) he cannot wait for away fixture at Dundee and I quote “there will be a huge jambo support and will rip the place apart “ I didn’t have time to have him explain does anyone know what he is on about?

Levein going back for round 2 with the lavvy?

[Brunswickbill]

Just speaking to my jambo neighbor just now two things of interest from him (1) although he doesn’t naturally agree being releagated this way he also says no genuine alternative get on with it and take the medicine more interesting though (2) he cannot wait for away fixture at Dundee and I quote “there will be a huge jambo support and will rip the place apart “ I didn’t have time to have him explain does anyone know what he is on about?

Dundee voting against then for the SPFL motion tk call the leagues presumably .

[weecounty hibby]

Just speaking to my jambo neighbor just now two things of interest from him (1) although he doesn’t naturally agree being releagated this way he also says no genuine alternative get on with it and take the medicine more interesting though (2) he cannot wait for away fixture at Dundee and I quote “there will be a huge jambo support and will rip the place apart “ I didn’t have time to have him explain does anyone know what he is on about?

Maybe they want to relive their greatest triumph when they won the league at Dens in 86.

[wallpaperman]

Sounds like a smart guy. Walking away from a 3 year contract certainly not a good idea at the moment.

Also, he understands how relegation works, which makes him smarter than the people running his club.

Could I see if anyone agrees with my train of thought....

It seems to be common knowledge that a lot of the Hearts players (and it may be players from all teams have this) have a relegation clause in their contract.

However, I took this to mean that the player could choose to walk away if relegated, but he does not have to.

The perception on kickback as far as I can see is that of they go down they can use this clause to offload some of the duds. But I’m not sure that’s how it works, I thought the clause would likely belong to the player?

if so, there may be quite a few players on decent wages that have no wish to move on, as given the current circumstances they would struggle to get better terms elsewhere. Damour being a perfect example of this.

If I am right, this could be deliciously expensive for Hearts, and Admin 2 might be the only way to get rid of the big earners. :wink:

[007]

anyone got any good gifs, I am doing a countdown for jambo mates,mmm,, acquantances

Anything that's got a pig in it. Preferably one that looks like it is squealing.

https://giphy.com/search/Pig

[Bostonhibby]

Could I see if anyone agrees with my train of thought....

It seems to be common knowledge that a lot of the Hearts players (and it may be players from all teams have this) have a relegation clause in their contract.

However, I took this to mean that the player could choose to walk away if relegated, but he does not have to.

The perception on kickback as far as I can see is that of they go down they can use this clause to offload some of the duds. But I’m not sure that’s how it works, I thought the clause would likely belong to the player?

if so, there may be quite a few players on decent wages that have no wish to move on, as given the current circumstances they would struggle to get better terms elsewhere. Damour being a perfect example of this.

If I am right, this could be deliciously expensive for Hearts, and Admin 2 might be the only way to get rid of the big earners. :wink:They do seem to think Hearts can ditch players when relegated. Guess it's down to the wording but the players don't have to worry whilst Mrs doctor Budge doesn't accept their relegation and the preferred word amongst the unwashed is expelled.



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[007]

Could I see if anyone agrees with my train of thought....

It seems to be common knowledge that a lot of the Hearts players (and it may be players from all teams have this) have a relegation clause in their contract.

However, I took this to mean that the player could choose to walk away if relegated, but he does not have to.

The perception on kickback as far as I can see is that of they go down they can use this clause to offload some of the duds. But I’m not sure that’s how it works, I thought the clause would likely belong to the player?

if so, there may be quite a few players on decent wages that have no wish to move on, as given the current circumstances they would struggle to get better terms elsewhere. Damour being a perfect example of this.

If I am right, this could be deliciously expensive for Hearts, and Admin 2 might be the only way to get rid of the big earners. :wink:

They agreed wage reductions so I doubt they'll be subsequently using clause 12. If I was a player agreeing to a reduction I'd be making sure part of the agreement would be that clause 12 was removed from the contract.

[Roxyhibee]

Maybe they want to relive their greatest triumph when they won the league at Dens in 86.

Yes that was a sad day for us - I switched the radio off with just a few minutes left at 0-0 and avoided the press etc for months. I take it there were 1 million lining the streets to watch the Hearts Champions parade.? Heard a few months later that Walter Kidd scored a couple..

[Billy Whizz]

Just speaking to my jambo neighbor just now two things of interest from him (1) although he doesn’t naturally agree being releagated this way he also says no genuine alternative get on with it and take the medicine more interesting though (2) he cannot wait for away fixture at Dundee and I quote “there will be a huge jambo support and will rip the place apart “ I didn’t have time to have him explain does anyone know what he is on about?

On point 2, hope it’s on the TV😄

[KdyHby]

Just speaking to my jambo neighbor just now two things of interest from him (1) although he doesn’t naturally agree being releagated this way he also says no genuine alternative get on with it and take the medicine more interesting though (2) he cannot wait for away fixture at Dundee and I quote “there will be a huge jambo support and will rip the place apart “ I didn’t have time to have him explain does anyone know what he is on about?

So they're boycotting away grounds, and taking huge supports....

[Sioux]

So they're boycotting away grounds, and taking huge supports....

They've not got a clue what they are going to do. Its all "look at me I'm a big bad boy" stuff.

The bottom line is that they won't actually do anything.

Pathetic imbeciles.

[Aldo]

CMON TAE FRANCE get this called NOW. I’ve got Kermit on standby!


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[Since452]

Kickback is a hoot. Some undercover Hibbys causing carnage by looks of it

[04Sauzee]

Kickback is a hoot. Some undercover Hibbys causing carnage by looks of it

This is an absolute belter, they are spewing





superjack superjack

Posted 14 minutes ago
16 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:
Club shouldn’t sell tickets to any game at stadia of clubs that voted against us.




I would actually ask for the maximum tickets we can get, then return them with the team.

Maybe have fans travel to welcome the team as they arrive at away grounds so they know they are still getting our full support.

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[Hibeesmad]

This is an absolute belter, they are spewing





superjack superjack

Posted 14 minutes ago
16 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:
Club shouldn’t sell tickets to any game at stadia of clubs that voted against us.




I would actually ask for the maximum tickets we can get, then return them with the team.

Maybe have fans travel to welcome the team as they arrive at away grounds so they know they are still getting our full support.

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They would be probably be dull enough to travel to Inverness to 'boycott' a game too.

[007]

Could I see if anyone agrees with my train of thought....

It seems to be common knowledge that a lot of the Hearts players (and it may be players from all teams have this) have a relegation clause in their contract.

However, I took this to mean that the player could choose to walk away if relegated, but he does not have to.

The perception on kickback as far as I can see is that of they go down they can use this clause to offload some of the duds. But I’m not sure that’s how it works, I thought the clause would likely belong to the player?

if so, there may be quite a few players on decent wages that have no wish to move on, as given the current circumstances they would struggle to get better terms elsewhere. Damour being a perfect example of this.

If I am right, this could be deliciously expensive for Hearts, and Admin 2 might be the only way to get rid of the big earners. :wink:

After many weeks of discussions, the expert negotiator got the players to agree to wage reductions but only on the basis they wouldn't be reduced any further if they did end up being relegated. The chances are the agreed reductions were just reducing them down to roughly their Championship level salaries so all that's effectively been achieved is it happened 1 month early. After relegation is confirmed they won't really be saving much, if anything at all, as the relegation clause reductions will no longer apply (as was agreed).

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-entire-squad-agrees-wage-21942381

If you take their monthly salaries as say about 700k (8.2m was quoted by EEN elsewhere as all staff salaries for year to June 19) and reductions of 10-30%, so let's just average it at 20%, then they've saved themselves a total of about £140k and that's probably erring on the high side.

[Peevemor]

They'll be faxing black pages soon.

[Since452]

This is an absolute belter, they are spewing





superjack superjack

Posted 14 minutes ago
16 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:
Club shouldn’t sell tickets to any game at stadia of clubs that voted against us.




I would actually ask for the maximum tickets we can get, then return them with the team.

Maybe have fans travel to welcome the team as they arrive at away grounds so they know they are still getting our full support.

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Some actually starting to see the light

Are you all smoking crack? or just plain idiots? Are there seriously only a few true hearts fans who see that "boycotting" every away game is a bloody ******ed idea. We are Hearts of god damn Midlothian ! You support your team no matter what ! I am so tired of all the ***** im reading, including the ***** Rangers are spraffing. You sound like a bunch of wee babies with there nappies full of ***** throwing their toys out the pram!



It sucks, it feels like complete garbage that we are being relegated. I get it! Could we have not been if the league continued ? I dont bloody know but it sure as hell wasnt looking good for us. I dont care how hopeful or glass full you might be. The matter is, it doesnt matter anymore!



We best not take legal action either. We dont need to make every other bloody team our enemy. Hearts would be in a even worse situation if we try suing all the member clubs. Honestly is no one thinking with the heads? Or are they just too far up their own arse to see? We do this we tarnish our name. The risk and the financial hit that Hearts would have with a legal case like this. It is honestly high risk and low reward, a true lose lose situation.



There are worse things going on right now, so put your goddamn egos aside and suck it up! Act like a real Hearts supporter, act like a real man and bloody accept this ***** and support your team, support your players! So that when we come back to the SPL we can kick some heads in!









I’m a bit confused here. Yesterday in the “settling old scores thread” you said



Its in our self interest to do so. We stand to lose millions now that we have been expelled. I'd rather fight then give up. I don't care if we tarnish our relationship with the other membership clubs, they expelled us from theleague. **** em.


😂😂😂😂

[Bostonhibby]

So they're boycotting away grounds, and taking huge supports....Aye but they're going to face away from the pitch like the megastand hospitality.

Wait till the win a few under Levein, Budge will have them digging deep.

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[McSwanky]

Some actually starting to see the light

Are you all smoking crack? or just plain idiots? Are there seriously only a few true hearts fans who see that "boycotting" every away game is a bloody ******ed idea. We are Hearts of god damn Midlothian ! You support your team no matter what ! I am so tired of all the ***** im reading, including the ***** Rangers are spraffing. You sound like a bunch of wee babies with there nappies full of ***** throwing their toys out the pram!



It sucks, it feels like complete garbage that we are being relegated. I get it! Could we have not been if the league continued ? I dont bloody know but it sure as hell wasnt looking good for us. I dont care how hopeful or glass full you might be. The matter is, it doesnt matter anymore!



We best not take legal action either. We dont need to make every other bloody team our enemy. Hearts would be in a even worse situation if we try suing all the member clubs. Honestly is no one thinking with the heads? Or are they just too far up their own arse to see? We do this we tarnish our name. The risk and the financial hit that Hearts would have with a legal case like this. It is honestly high risk and low reward, a true lose lose situation.



There are worse things going on right now, so put your goddamn egos aside and suck it up! Act like a real Hearts supporter, act like a real man and bloody accept this ***** and support your team, support your players! So that when we come back to the SPL we can kick some heads in!









I’m a bit confused here. Yesterday in the “settling old scores thread” you said



Its in our self interest to do so. We stand to lose millions now that we have been expelled. I'd rather fight then give up. I don't care if we tarnish our relationship with the other membership clubs, they expelled us from theleague. **** em.


[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]That's got to be a Hibby on the wind up!

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[Since452]

That's got to be a Hibby on the wind up!

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The Hearts of god damn Midlothian

[lapsedhibee]

They'll be faxing black pages soon.

:greengrin

[Potty78]

They seem to forget that other teams helped them when they were going tits up. Remember clubs doing collections and giving them extra gate receipt money.

[Dashing Bob S]

I fear not just for the other clubs but local businesses and the economy in general over the loss of the maroon pound.

[hibeerealist]

That's got to be a Hibby on the wind up!

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Had a look I think they are onto him and yes has to be a Hibby at the wind up ha ha.

[hibeerealist]

They seem to forget that other teams helped them when they were going tits up. Remember clubs doing collections and giving them extra gate recipes!

Yes, did some clubs give them back a portion of the money paid by the away support (Hertz being the away support)? Anybody recall which teams donated??

[007]

Only Inverness in the Championship voted no. 🤣🤣🤣 That's a lot of boycotting.

[Potty78]

Yes, did some clubs give them back a portion of the money paid by the away support (Hertz being the away support)? Anybody recall which teams donated??

Defo Motherwell but others too!

[weecounty hibby]

Maybe cAnnet Budget could phone leeann and Ron and get some tips in how to run a football club. **** OFF YA BUNCH OF COMPLETE FANNIES YOU ARE BEING RELEGATED COS YOU HAVE BEEN DUG***** FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS. Only folk to blame for this are Budgie (aye, but she's a successful business woman) and Craig Levein (still never won a single trophy in his career). Actually this could be a win win for you ****ing dumplings. Let Craigy boy be manager again in a league where you will for once be the bigliest team. Could be a way to end his drought. Hope not though. Tatty bye losers

[high bee]

Just speaking to my jambo neighbor just now two things of interest from him (1) although he doesn’t naturally agree being releagated this way he also says no genuine alternative get on with it and take the medicine more interesting though (2) he cannot wait for away fixture at Dundee and I quote “there will be a huge jambo support and will rip the place apart “ I didn’t have time to have him explain does anyone know what he is on about?

I’m sure Dundee will be gutted, a big away support to fill their coffers and if they rip the place apart they will get lots of old items replaced with new ones at the away clubs cost.

[Real Emerald]

Only Inverness in the Championship voted no. 🤣🤣🤣 That's a lot of boycotting.

Hilarious, the only team that gets the maroon £ (🤣) is Inverness. You couldn’t make it up. 😂😂😂

[Bostonhibby]

That's got to be a Hibby on the wind up!

Sent from my HRY-LX1 using TapatalkYep, everyone knows it's hartlepool of midlothian, somewhere around penicuik perhaps?

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[Sergy Pie]

It feels they are facing some severe financial difficulties if they are inevitably relegated.

However, had this situation not occurred, would they still be looking at the same predicament had they went down?

Sure they had game receipts and the semi final etc to bank but their desperation with reconstruction and contract changes hints at something more sinister.

Have I missed something as it feels they were sailing close to the wind money wise (again)?

[Mick O'Rourke]

That's got to be a Hibby on the wind up!

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Great username ,too

Since452

[snedzuk]

It feels they are facing some severe financial difficulties if they are inevitably relegated.

However, had this situation not occurred, would they still be looking at the same predicament had they went down?

Sure they had game receipts and the semi final etc to bank but their desperation with reconstruction and contract changes hints at something more sinister.

Have I missed something as it feels they were sailing close to the wind money wise (again)?

As things stand, they've still got the semi final to bank - they sound as if they have a major cash flow issue.

[nonshinyfinish]

It feels they are facing some severe financial difficulties if they are inevitably relegated.

However, had this situation not occurred, would they still be looking at the same predicament had they went down?

Sure they had game receipts and the semi final etc to bank but their desperation with reconstruction and contract changes hints at something more sinister.

Have I missed something as it feels they were sailing close to the wind money wise (again)?

Two big unknowns:

– The extent to which they can cut their wage bill.

– What's going on with the mystery benefactor, will (s)he reappear at some point?

Either of those (or a combination) could see them come out relatively unscathed, still with a budget more than adequate to win the Championship (assuming it's spent properly, eh Avril?).

If they can't shift their high earners and don't get more cash chucked in then they could be ****ed. Which would be a real shame.

[Greenworld]

Two big unknowns:

– The extent to which they can cut their wage bill.

– What's going on with the mystery benefactor, will (s)he reappear at some point?

Either of those (or a combination) could see them come out relatively unscathed, still with a budget more than adequate to win the Championship (assuming it's spent properly, eh Avril?).

If they can't shift their high earners and don't get more cash chucked in then they could be ****ed. Which would be a real shame.The wages cannot be cut again that was agreed when the players took this cut.

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[Greenworld]

Do we have any top solicitors on the site would be interesting to hear the views of one.
Can a championship team challenge the premier league clubs

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[nonshinyfinish]

The wages cannot be cut again that was agreed when the players took this cut.

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I'm talking about offloading players, whether through relegation ("expulsion") clauses, mutual termination or transfers, rather than cutting players wages but keeping them at the club.

[Sergy Pie]

Thanks folks. Will probably get the answers soon anyway when it all plays out.

They must have planned some insulation from going down, it’s not like it was a surprise given they’ve been bottom for so long.

It does feel though that this predicament has caught them well short and I find it odd. Might just be how I’ve interpreted things though.

[grunt]

They seem to forget that other teams helped them when they were going tits up. Remember clubs doing collections and giving them extra gate recipes!Are we talking about cakes again?

[Bostonhibby]

Are we talking about cakes again?Yep, the kind you make without flour, country pancakes from the big red coo.

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[PatHead]

Thanks folks. Will probably get the answers soon anyway when it all plays out.

They must have planned some insulation from going down, it’s not like it was a surprise given they’ve been bottom for so long.

It does feel though that this predicament has caught them well short and I find it odd. Might just be how I’ve interpreted things though.

They did plan for relegation in January. They signed a £6000 per week striker.

[04Sauzee]

kila kila

Posted 9 minutes ago
How much was the plane hire again?



Imagine if we hired one every away game... let's not let them forget all season.



The Neilson Out plane was noisy and couldn't be missed. The noise would disappear and we'd think it was gone at last. Then it'd reappear and fly over again.

[Aldo]

They seem to forget that other teams helped them when they were going tits up. Remember clubs doing collections and giving them extra gate recipes!

I wouldn’t give them the steam off ma pish!


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[007]

kila kila

Posted 9 minutes ago
How much was the plane hire again?



Imagine if we hired one every away game... let's not let them forget all season.



The Neilson Out plane was noisy and couldn't be missed. The noise would disappear and we'd think it was gone at last. Then it'd reappear and fly over again.

Is it loud enough to drown out squealing pigs? 🐷🐷

[Bostonhibby]

Is it loud enough to drown out squealing pigs? [emoji200][emoji200]A Levein out plane might well be required next season. They'll never shift him.

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[SouthMoroccoStu]

kila kila

Posted 9 minutes ago
How much was the plane hire again?



Imagine if we hired one every away game... let's not let them forget all season.



The Neilson Out plane was noisy and couldn't be missed. The noise would disappear and we'd think it was gone at last. Then it'd reappear and fly over again.

Oh that HAS to be a hibee on the Mick take

[Greenworld]

I'm talking about offloading players, whether through relegation ("expulsion") clauses, mutual termination or transfers, rather than cutting players wages but keeping them at the club.I dont think in this climate any player will be jumping ship. Especially hearts players who got long top dollar contracts. Some players might have a relegation get out clause but where are they going to go

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[Aldo]

I dont think in this climate any player will be jumping ship. Especially hearts players who got long top dollar contracts. Some players might have a relegation get out clause but where are they going to go

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I think they all think Budge can article 12 then given the current climate.


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[Skol]

We should offer Hearts a money spinning pre season friendly. Lets call it the COVID Cup.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The summer transfer window opens in 30 days. That should focus Doctor Missus Queen over Budge(t)'s mind.

1. Embark on costly legal action with hee haw chance of success if any this side of 2022

or

2. Recruit replacement squad suited to Championship.

She has one tiny quickly diminishing pot of pennies from the cash cow to play with. How she spends it will determine their future. Football or oblivion

[Rumble de Thump]

They should sell the rights to the court case so the documentary makers can include it as a bonus on the DVD.

[Aldo]

Roll on the docusoap!


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[WoreTheGreen]

They should sell the rights to the court case so the documentary makers can include it as a bonus on the DVD.

OJ simpleton against the real world

[jacomo]

The Hearts of god damn Midlothian


It’s the way Jambos speak after two tours of some god damn hell hole.

“I’ve seen things that would make your grandma blush son! Don’t tell me I can’t handle an away trip to Arbroath!”

[Irish_Steve]

Jambo007

Hearts are getting hammered here , the drop in T/O going down will be in lost income ,TV,Advertisement other income , lack of Fans at game due to Covid#19 will be 33% to 40% on a current t/o of £15m . so £5/6 M . OR MORE...Companies are not going to rush and spend monies on Football, This is a PANDEMIC it's NOT Hearts FAULT ....SEASON VOID !!


Is anything ever their fault, played rank football for 18 months, won 4 games in a year (50% against us!!) but still it`s not their fault they are bottom - absolute roasters

[Eyrie]

We should offer Hearts a money spinning pre season friendly. Lets call it the COVID Cup.

Hibs will need a couple of preseason friendlies against lower league opposition to prepare for the coming season, so this would work.

[nonshinyfinish]

I dont think in this climate any player will be jumping ship. Especially hearts players who got long top dollar contracts. Some players might have a relegation get out clause but where are they going to go

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Well yeah, that's why I described it as an unknown. We don't know if a significant number of players have relegation clauses and we don't know the nature of the clauses (i.e, do they just allow the player to leave if they want to, or do they allow the club to cut them loose if they want?).

[high bee]

If you’re last when the season ends you go down... as per the rules.

The season can be ended at any point, to cater for unforeseen situations like this... as per the rules.

They had plenty opportunities to get out of last place but they just weren’t good enough, a couple of good results versus us and Rangers but they couldn’t turn it on against the bottom 6 teams, who had the experience and grit to avoid relegation while they kept peddling the belief that they’re too big to fail. I have a bit of sympathy but the rules being implemented were drawn up and signed up to way before anyone even heard of this virus, now they want to change the rules because they’re detrimental to them.

[high bee]

Well yeah, that's why I described it as an unknown. We don't know if a significant number of players have relegation clauses and we don't know the nature of the clauses (i.e, do they just allow the player to leave if they want to, or do they allow the club to cut them loose if they want?).

Surely if they have a relegation clause then they will overrule it and allow them to stay on the same terms as before. Why should any player suffer as a result of the pandemic, it’s not the players fault and we don’t need rule enforcement at a time like this, we need imaginative thinking.. or does that not apply in this situation?

[cookin_on_gaz]

Remember when Hearts thought they had won last year's league by around November and their fans were singing we shall not be moved. Pretty much from that point onwards they have been in free fall. Loving it [emoji4]

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[hibeerealist]

Well yeah, that's why I described it as an unknown. We don't know if a significant number of players have relegation clauses and we don't know the nature of the clauses (i.e, do they just allow the player to leave if they want to, or do they allow the club to cut them loose if they want?).

I think “Relegation Clause” in a player’s contract agrees a wage reduction if the team is relegated, some might include a release option but in the main it is there to reduce the club’s wage liability.

[Peevemor]

Hibs will need a couple of preseason friendlies against lower league opposition to prepare for the coming season, so this would work.We could maybe make it an annual thing like we do with Berwick Rangers. Give them a wee helping hand and that...

[Jack]

It wouldn't surprise me if there were no relegation clauses in their players contracts.

HRH Budge was quite firm around Christmas time saying they had not made any plans regarding relegation and had no plans to do so. Why would they need relegation clauses in such high value contracts?

[Greenworld]

It wouldn't surprise me if there were no relegation clauses in their players contracts.

HRH Budge was quite firm around Christmas time saying they had not made any plans regarding relegation and had no plans to do so. Why would they need relegation clauses in such high value contracts?She deffo said if relegated no more reduction in wages was agreed with the players after that cut the other week .

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[Clarence]

Remember when Hearts thought they had won last year's league by around November and their fans were singing we shall not be moved. Pretty much from that point onwards they have been in free fall. Loving it [emoji4]

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They thought they had won it by September.

[Radium]

... and remember that there will be a TV programme after all this focussing on the football prowess/ business acumen of those involved at Hearts this season.


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[jacomo]

She deffo said if relegated no more reduction in wages was agreed with the players after that cut the other week .

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I think the agreement is that the wage cuts agreed with their players only apply at the current rate. If they have a relegation clause which kicks in, they won’t have another 10-30% on that.

[Kato]

It wouldn't surprise me if there were no relegation clauses in their players contracts.

HRH Budge was quite firm around Christmas time saying they had not made any plans regarding relegation and had no plans to do so. Why would they need relegation clauses in such high value contracts?Spoke with a work mate today on the phone. Total Jambo, Hearts season ticket holder for around 30 years. We discussed work issues mainly and how we can get around the CV19 issues when we go back. Towards the end of the call he said didn't want to discuss football at all, totally embarrassed by his club. They aren't all entitled fruit loops.

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[Joe6-2]

Remember when Hearts thought they had won last year's league by around November and their fans were singing we shall not be moved. Pretty much from that point onwards they have been in free fall. Loving it [emoji4]

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They’ve ‘moved’ alright, down the pan

[CraigHibee]

Remember when Hearts thought they had won last year's league by around November and their fans were singing we shall not be moved. Pretty much from that point onwards they have been in free fall. Loving it [emoji4]

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They are right though, they shall not be moved from bottom of the league, well, down to the 1st division but hey 🤣

[Joe6-2]

It wouldn't surprise me if there were no relegation clauses in their players contracts.

HRH Budge was quite firm around Christmas time saying they had not made any plans regarding relegation and had no plans to do so. Why would they need relegation clauses in such high value contracts?

Not with the millions she spent to avoid relegation

[CraigHibee]

They’ve ‘moved’ alright, down the pan

Like the wee maroon poo that they are

[littleplum]

I think “Relegation Clause” in a player’s contract agrees a wage reduction if the team is relegated, some might include a release option but in the main it is there to reduce the club’s wage liability.

Could they trigger such a clause if they were claiming they were expelled rather than relegated though 😁

[SQHib]

Surely if they have a relegation clause then they will overrule it and allow them to stay on the same terms as before. Why should any player suffer as a result of the pandemic, it’s not the players fault and we don’t need rule enforcement at a time like this, we need imaginative thinking.. or does that not apply in this situation?
Excellent point !!!

[we are hibs]

Our reserve team might draw them in the Tunnocks Caramel wafer cup.

[Carheenlea]

https://i.postimg.cc/Pf7nt3CQ/511-C0-D26-CF41-4350-BF41-1-BF8-F6-BB28-D9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Mon Dieu4]

Should maybe use their fighting fund to make yamsback run a bit better, even their fans websites run like ***** :faf:

[CentreLine]

Our reserve team might draw them in the Tunnocks Caramel wafer cup.

We still have a cup semi final to play against them. Could be the first game after the lockdown is lifted 🤔

[NC1875]

If you spend your life driving a Rolls Royce while your pal with the wee wreck has to suck it up, you can’t really then ask him to cover your payments for it if things go wrong for you and you can’t afford it yourself.

Craig Swan sums it up perfectly.

[matty_f]

I think the agreement is that the wage cuts agreed with their players only apply at the current rate. If they have a relegation clause which kicks in, they won’t have another 10-30% on that.

I'm sure they won't lower any wages, after all, Budge's stated get principle that it's wrong to punish anyone as a result of covid. She wouldn't deviate from that principle, would she?

[Col2]

Call the league officially on 19th May.

The day (in 2012) where they claim they “Ended us as a club”.

The irony would be so so sweet.

[Ozyhibby]

Our reserve team might draw them in the Tunnocks Caramel wafer cup.

I would love that. [emoji23]


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[calumhibee1]

“ **** Clyde. They know league governance is corrupt, but hey, we are going to hide away like pussies and do **** all about it. They also voted to end leagues screwing us, Partick and Stranraer.

**** Clyde”

Yes, that’s right Jambos. Clyde should have voted to relegated themselves from 7th place, 18 clear of automatic relegation, to save Hearts, the worst team in the top flight for nearly 2 years now. You couldn’t make it up.

[Scorrie]

... and remember that there will be a TV programme after all this focussing on the football prowess/ business acumen of those involved at Hearts this season.


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I cannae wait for this tv series. There isn’t a bag of popcorn big enough ....

[KeithTheHibby]

I don't think Stendel will be back. I suspect there will be something in his contract that allows him and the club to cut ties which I think will happen.

On another note he seems to be escaping most of the flak for how terrible they were under him, seems Levein and Budge are the main culprits in all this.

[Waxy]

Our reserve team might draw them in the Tunnocks Caramel wafer cup.

That has to happen.It would be like one of them old East of Scotland shield games from the early eighties.

[Hibeesmad]

I don't think Stendel will be back. I suspect there will be something in his contract that allows him and the club to cut ties which I think will happen.

On another note he seems to be escaping most of the flak for how terrible they were under him, seems Levein and Budge are the main culprits in all this.

The players and Stendel have had it very easy indeed. Craziness.

[A Hi-Bee]

Have they gone yet, are they doon, stendal for life long hertz president.
:agree:

[snedzuk]

Remember when Hearts thought they had won last year's league by around November and their fans were singing we shall not be moved. Pretty much from that point onwards they have been in free fall. Loving it [emoji4]

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Imagine the league had been interrupted then!

[calumhibee1]

The players and Stendel have had it very easy indeed. Craziness.

That’s good for us. Hopefully most of them remain there. If they do then I’d say they’ve a decent chance of ****ing up promotion next year. They almost always got beat against all the bottom sides in our league, I wouldn’t be surprised if they struggled against the top half of the Championship as well.

[Waxy]

Imagine the league had been interrupted then!

Nope. Dont even say it. Wouldnt have been fair.

[Hibeesmad]

That’s good for us. Hopefully most of them remain there. If they do then I’d say they’ve a decent chance of ****ing up promotion next year. They almost always got beat against all the bottom sides in our league, I wouldn’t be surprised if they struggled against the top half of the Championship as well.

Based on their performances against Falkirk and Partick in recent times too I would fancy the championship to be a lot tighter than they may anticipate. Especially with them having to probably flog off their 'better' players to balance the books.

That benefactor wasted an absolute bomb.

[surreyhibbie]

Spoke with a work mate today on the phone. Total Jambo, Hearts season ticket holder for around 30 years. We discussed work issues mainly and how we can get around the CV19 issues when we go back. Towards the end of the call he said didn't want to discuss football at all, totally embarrassed by his club. They aren't all entitled fruit loops.

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Thats a good point Kato, we tend to think brokeback is a reflection of their total support, when its just a concentration of the very worst of them.

[Jones28]

I don't think Stendel will be back. I suspect there will be something in his contract that allows him and the club to cut ties which I think will happen.

On another note he seems to be escaping most of the flak for how terrible they were under him, seems Levein and Budge are the main culprits in all this.

MS pointed this out in his recent article. Stendel had enough time and was backed in January, but his lunatic tactics nearly cost them all three points against Hamilton at home and he’s copping no flak from the flumps.

[Baader]

MS pointed this out in his recent article. Stendel had enough time and was backed in January, but his lunatic tactics nearly cost them all three points against Hamilton at home and he’s copping no flak from the flumps.

Stendel gets off lightly with them. As it stands his reign has been a complete disaster. They got worse under him.

[Waxy]

Stendel gets off lightly with them. As it stands his reign has been a complete disaster. They got worse under him.

Well imo they wouldnt have been near relegation had they kept Levein.

[Crazyhorse]

Based on their performances against Falkirk and Partick in recent times too I would fancy the championship to be a lot tighter than they may anticipate. Especially with them having to probably flog off their 'better' players to balance the books.

That benefactor wasted an absolute bomb.

Don’t worry Levein will get them back up. It might not be very entertaining but he has to earn that big salary somehow...

[Kato]

Don’t worry Levein will get them back up. It might not be very entertaining but he has to earn that big salary somehow...

Hearts traditional style of play is completely suited to the 2nd tier in Scotland. Roughhousing.

[Greenworld]

I don't think Stendel will be back. I suspect there will be something in his contract that allows him and the club to cut ties which I think will happen.

On another note he seems to be escaping most of the flak for how terrible they were under him, seems Levein and Budge are the main culprits in all this.You suspect correctly stendel and hearts have a relegation clause allowing both terminate contracts.

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[Greenworld]

What also might effect hearts when in the championship is the league may not kick off at all.
Every effort will be put into getting the premier going before the rest.
Seems to have been a very quiet day for statements.

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[Kojock]

manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago

Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT

The Integrity Cup 😂 you couldn’t make it up.

[Jones28]

Well imo they wouldnt have been near relegation had they kept Levein.

I think you’d struggle to find someone who disagrees with that. IMO with Levein in the charge they pick up points, it ain’t pretty but it would be better than Stendel.

[Barney McGrew]

You suspect correctly stendel and hearts have a relegation clause allowing both terminate contracts.

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They’re making such a song and dance about it being an ‘expulsion’ too......I wonder if they’d have the brass neck to invoke relegation clauses when they’re refusing to recognise it as such?

[Bostonhibby]

manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago

Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT

The Integrity Cup [emoji23] you couldn’t make it up.The creditors cup would be a good idea, all ticket sales money going to the Lady Haig poppy fund, Scottish Amubulance Service, Macraes Battalion trust, Big Hearts and other similar bumped charities.

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[Peevemor]

manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago

Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT

The Integrity Cup 😂 you couldn’t make it up.

The Losers Challenge Trophy! :thumbsup:

[Joe6-2]

Thats a good point Kato, we tend to think brokeback is a reflection of their total support, when its just a concentration of the very worst of them.

Just like Hibs.net



😂😂😂

[Craig_in_Prague]

manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago

Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT

The Integrity Cup 😂 you couldn’t make it up.


Wow.
They have no memories or no brains.

Can we have a permanent thread on here showing the full list of creditors they shafted and they can see it everytime one of them floats over for a look and also for anyone on here to easily copy paste anytime they might need it.

Never ever let them forget.

[Joe6-2]

Stendel gets off lightly with them. As it stands his reign has been a complete disaster. They got worse under him.

Managed to beat us, so everything else is forgiven

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/213701-heart-of-midlothian-2014/page/1052/#comments

Makes a change from kickback

[jacomo]

manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago

Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT

The Integrity Cup 😂 you couldn’t make it up.


The Sanctimonious Invitational.

Alongside the football, they can give out moral integrity medals to each other.

Apparently Budge has offered to host it at Tynecastle Park - but this has NOTHING to do with the fees, ticket sales and hospitality earnings, and is purely out of a desire to support other clubs.

[The 90+2]

manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago

Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT

The Integrity Cup 😂 you couldn’t make it up.

Great idea. I’m gathering they are going to play the players they forced with the sack unless they took paycuts while competing in this integrity cup? Get Romanov or Moonbeams to present the trophy.

[Onion]

Thats a good point Kato, we tend to think brokeback is a reflection of their total support, when its just a concentration of the very worst of them.

But it's just not 4pointsback, is it ? We've had politicians, ex-players, lawyers, Ann Budge, media hacks and BBC commentators all squealing like pigs and generally stoking up the nutters who inhabit that swamp.

[Mon Dieu4]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/213701-heart-of-midlothian-2014/page/1052/#comments

Makes a change from kickback

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story, in 2015 when STF paid off BoS wether in full or part, the Government had less than 20% of the shares in Lloyds Banking Group and even at its peak it was only 43%, so they were never "tax payer owned"

Hardly the same as robbing poppy charities, Lithuanian pensioners and countless others

[Onion]

MS pointed this out in his recent article. Stendel had enough time and was backed in January, but his lunatic tactics nearly cost them all three points against Hamilton at home and he’s copping no flak from the flumps.

Hearts are such a basket case, their own fans don't know where to start. Budge's stewardship, keeping Craig Levein on, recruiting Stendel, Stendel's abysmal management, the players horrendous performances, the rank awful recruitment, the massive over-spending, the bloated player pool, the hyper inflated wages and on and on. You'd struggle to find one part of the club that's functioning properly.

[Moulin Yarns]

They’re making such a song and dance about it being an ‘expulsion’ too......I wonder if they’d have the brass neck to invoke relegation clauses when they’re refusing to recognise it as such?


Yep, I've had that conversation with a numpty who goes by the name of Ali HIBberd on twitter. I'm waiting for the official end of season announcement before I point out how difficult it must be for him to write his name. 😂

https://twitter.com/BBCSportsound/status/1259117898355953667?s=19

[Greenworld]

They’re making such a song and dance about it being an ‘expulsion’ too......I wonder if they’d have the brass neck to invoke relegation clauses when they’re refusing to recognise it as such?Thats great point any players with relegation clauses in contracts can say but we suffered expulsion lol messy

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[PatHead]

manaliveits105 manaliveits105
Posted 5 hours ago

Once football up and running we should initiate The Integrity Cup - either just 2 legs with us and Partick or include other clubs impacted by or who opposed the self interest some additional income - us Partick Falkirk and ICT

The Integrity Cup 😂 you couldn’t make it up.

This has to be an undercover Hibby on the wind up. Surely no-one is that stupid.

[Hibi]

Hearts are such a basket case, their own fans don't know where to start. Budge's stewardship, keeping Craig Levein on, recruiting Stendel, Stendel's abysmal management, the players horrendous performances, the rank awful recruitment, the massive over-spending, the bloated player pool, the hyper inflated wages and on and on. You'd struggle to find one part of the club that's functioning properly.

I know, but the great think is they are creating some sort of siege mentality and blaming everyone bar themselves. I live in hope that this means they continue to stumble on with business as usual.

[jacomo]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/213701-heart-of-midlothian-2014/page/1052/#comments

Makes a change from kickback


Wow, the bitterness!

It’s perhaps revisiting that time nearly 20 years ago though: back then Scottish football had recent memories of participating in a World Cup, the game was still just about in touching distance with the top leagues (although a gap had already opened and was widening) and clubs were spending money like crazy...

Then the TV deal debacle happened and suddenly things were different.

In 2002/3, both Hibs and Hearts has debts around £17-18m each. Both had spent money on their stadiums in the 90s but redevelopment was not complete. Neither owned its own training facilities.

The clubs considered a ground share, but when that idea collapsed they faced a choice. Do they accept the new, relatively impoverished reality, or do they ignore it and hope the money just keeps coming from somewhere?

We know how it went after that.

[Greenworld]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


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[Alan62]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


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As has been pointed out on many occasions, UEFA does not look kindly on clubs going to the courts other than the Court of Arbitration in Sport.

Personally, I hope they do go to court because they're very unlikely to win and the costs could be horrible.

[Ozyhibby]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


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They will not go legal. They know they have no chance. Her grandstanding now means she has to find a way of talking down all their numpty fans though.


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[Bostonhibby]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


Sent from my SM-G975U1 using TapatalkThey and the couple of other members of the new hun sister & brotherhood haven't so far set out clearly what the issues of law they want rulings on are so it's a no for me.

Sevco did disclose a QC's view but it read more like a rehash of several earlier whines. If it was so relevant, given the apparent importance to them why not just issue proceedings quickly, the clock was ticking the whole time and Mrs doctor Budge will have known she hadn't even sharpened the task force pencils never mind being able to put anything on the table on time - so it proved.

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[HibbySpurs]

Hearts are such a basket case, their own fans don't know where to start. Budge's stewardship, keeping Craig Levein on, recruiting Stendel, Stendel's abysmal management, the players horrendous performances, the rank awful recruitment, the massive over-spending, the bloated player pool, the hyper inflated wages and on and on. You'd struggle to find one part of the club that's functioning properly.

Surely the chip fryers are functioning properly?

[Heisenberg]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


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I reckon it’s just posturing. Ann Budge said she’d accept relegation if that’s what the clubs voted for, don’t see her changing her mind now. A legal challenge would be costly and would hurt their reputation massively.

[AltheHibby]

I reckon it’s just posturing. Ann Budge said she’d accept relegation if that’s what the clubs voted for, don’t see her changing her mind now. A legal challenge would be costly and would hurt their reputation massively.

It would only hurt their reputation if they won!

[Sammy7nil]

I reckon it’s just posturing. Ann Budge said she’d accept relegation if that’s what the clubs voted for, don’t see her changing her mind now. A legal challenge would be costly and would hurt their reputation massively.

Bagpuss won't change her mind she is a women of integrity :rolleyes:

[Crazyhorse]

As has been pointed out on many occasions, UEFA does not look kindly on clubs going to the courts other than the Court of Arbitration in Sport.

Personally, I hope they do go to court because they're very unlikely to win and the costs could be horrible.

Who would Hearts take to court? It wouldn’t be the SFA would UEFA be bothered if it was a company i.e. SPFL?
It’s a genuine question, I’m not clear on this myself.

[Greenworld]

Who would Hearts take to court? It wouldn’t be the SFA would UEFA be bothered if it was a company i.e. SPFL?
It’s a genuine question, I’m not clear on this myself.If you take the Spfl to court surley you are taking the 11 other clubs to court in effect as the spfl only represent them

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[Eyrie]

If you take the Spfl to court surley you are taking the 11 other clubs to court in effect as the spfl only represent them

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It's even better.

It's the other 41 clubs as they're all members of the one organisation (SPFL).

[Waxy]

Who would Hearts take to court? It wouldn’t be the SFA would UEFA be bothered if it was a company i.e. SPFL?
It’s a genuine question, I’m not clear on this myself.
It would be the SPFL.But as you say that's the clubs and themselves.
A democratic vote was held for the issue they dont like and they voted on it.
Therefore they must accept the vote outcome.
The end.

[Onion]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


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Not a chance they'll take legal action. They're done.

[calumhibee1]

Not a chance they'll take legal action. They're done.

:agree:

The Jambo tears are incredible. I didn’t think they were capable of being so graceless in their relegation but holy ****, they’ve outdone themselves and then some. If someone offered me a normal relegation or the way it’s happened for Hearts then I’d choose this route every single time.

[tamig]

All the Championship clubs must have been well impressed with gardiners role in all this and also their chairman fulsome letter of support.

Always had time for Inverness too. Ah well Nairn County it is..

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I actually sent a donation to Nairn today after their excellent statement at the weekend. True community club.

[truehibernian]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


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Hope they do, and hope they have the estate agent as part of their legal (advice) team :greengrin his utter lack of legal knowledge on Sportsound filled me with confidence they'll try.......and fail spectacularly :aok:

I was made aware of a post of a 4th year 'law student' on their forum yesterday (confidently predicting they have a case) and hope that he takes this extended time of furlough and contemplation to actually read some law books and not spout nonsense on a football forum........or I'm afraid his law career is already over :greengrin

[Greenworld]

Hope they do, and hope they have the estate agent as part of their legal (advice) team :greengrin his utter lack of legal knowledge on Sportsound filled me with confidence they'll try.......and fail spectacularly :aok:

I was made aware of a post of a 4th year 'law student' on their forum yesterday (confidently predicting they have a case) and hope that he takes this extended time of furlough and contemplation to actually read some law books and not spout nonsense on a football forum........or I'm afraid his law career is already over :greengrinAssuming your a law person?

If yes what could they conceivably put forward in court

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[truehibernian]

Assuming your a law person?

If yes what could they conceivably put forward in court

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If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one :aok: that should answer your question GW :greengrin

[ShadesLongThrow]

One of the funniest things if they take the SPFL to court is that, because they are members themselves, not only are they taking themselves to court, they will be required to contribute towards the cost of defending the SPFL against themselves. So they are going to pay twice, once for each side. Mental.

[truehibernian]

One of the funniest things if they take the SPFL to court is that, because they are members themselves, not only are they taking themselves to court, they will be required to contribute towards the cost of defending the SPFL against themselves. So they are going to pay twice, once for each side. Mental.

Any money they throw at a legal challenge is money wasted............let's see how serious The Rangers are when it comes to playing in Europe and needing to challenge Celtic.....a club already mired in debt :aok: Absolutely not going to happen.....if Hearts do, they're on the road to nowhere.......I think when Deans said they'd consulted a QC he really meant he'd drank a bottle of QC :greengrin

[007]

So who thinks Hearts will take Legal route or now back down

I think they will not take legal action and fall into line.


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I hope they do because they'll get laughed out of court.

What they'll most likely do is continue to squeal and squeal 🐷🐷 in the hope they'll be offered money to make then shut up. To help that cause, the likes of L Deans will be given a lot of airtime and column inches by the Jambo friendly media.

[hibeerealist]

If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one :aok: that should answer your question GW :greengrin


All hot air and they will make noises to appease the “wee cousins bereft of bus fares” BUT NO court action,