The generic Hearts thread

[The 90+2]

How long until Budge can’t leave the house for months anyway? I’m sure that will be more of a concern to her at this moment in time. At 72, she won’t have a choice.

[Seveno]

Initially I thought this too. There would be complications such as players registrations/cup tied/suspensions to take into consideration though. If we sign players for next season could they play? What if we lose Rocky and Bogdan and bring in St Mirren/Killie keeper would he be suspended? Celtic sign Cosvrove in the summer and he plays in last years semi for Celtic against the sheep? I think it would just be cancelled, saying that money talks.

My only concern would be if it was won by a team from the Championship for the second time in five years!

[CentreLine]

Whatever solution they come to will have to stand the test of time. This Coronavirus, or another strain of SARS, is going to come around again, quite probably next year. That is if it goes away in the summer at all. If the football authorities decided to have no relegation this year and we then saw, lets say, three or four further years of SARS that caused the season to be stopped, we could end up with 18 or 20 teams in the top league. Would that be a bad thing? I suppose it depends on your stand on league reorganisation I suppose.

[G B Young]

I don’t see any reason to void the Cup. It should be easy to fit in three matches before December.

In the midst of a different season with most likely different players or even managers involved (assuming we get next season under way)? Bizarre in the extreme and simply not necessary. This is an uprecedented situation and getting the Scottish Cup finished is really of little consequence.

[jgl07]

I see Tyneastle features on Dr Who ....

I always thought Tynecastle was like a Tardis (or rather a Turdis) in that it was bigger on the inside than the outside.

To any external observer it is a 19,000 seat unfinished stadium. To the Jambos inside it 20,000+ and has the finest stand in the history of Scottish football with a view of the castle.

[GreenCastle]

How long until Budge can’t leave the house for months anyway? I’m sure that will be more of a concern to her at this moment in time. At 72, she won’t have a choice.

Interesting point.

[Deansy]

I think the decision will be taken early as some teams especially Hearts are likely to launch some sort of legal challenge against the decision but if the league believes their rules have them covered they’ll go for it early to get any challenge dismissed so the new season can commence in good time.

Just my thinking though.


I can already picture the scene in court at the Jambos appeal -

Judge - 'so your team was at the bottom of the league because they were ***** ?'

Budgie - But, but your honour'

Judge - 'and they had indeed been ***** for a whole calendar-year'

Budgie - 'but your honour, we're big and we're also famous AND we have 400,000 supporters !'

Judge - 'and despite being ***** you want this court to believe that because you're big, famous and have 400,000 supporters, you'd somehow have turned things around and won enough points to stay in the SPL had the season been allowed to continue ?'

Budgie - 'yes your worship'

Judge - 'Appeal dismissed with huge amount of scorn and disbelief and an order given that all associated with this midden of a club to immediately undergo pyschiatric-assessment !' !

[Keith_M]

Probably been mentioned already but...


Banderson saying (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ready-legal-fight-against-any-relegation-result-coronavirus-2451159) Hearts will take legal action if the season is finished early and Hearts are relegated.


Curiously enough, there's no quotes from anybody at Hearts.

[Mikey]

@gdown:

[jacomo]

Probably been mentioned already but...


Banderson saying (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ready-legal-fight-against-any-relegation-result-coronavirus-2451159) Hearts will take legal action if the season is finished early and Hearts are relegated.


Curiously enough, there's no quotes from anybody at Hearts.


Banderson has probably been ordered to float the idea and guage what the response is.

Legal action may make the Hearts famous. As the whole world will be laughing at them.

[007 Mickey Weir]

I think the associations will ask the govt to cancel the season so as to avoid legal action I think

[O'Rourke3]

These days every body considers taking kegal action. The SFPL is made up of members who will get to vote. Rangers, Hearts, Dundee, Brechin City and anyone else who is unhappy will have had opportunities to have alternative solutions floated. The association rules probably prevent taking legal action on votes so long as there was a competent majority.

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[Ozyhibby]

There is no chance of it succeeding. The rules state it is up to the spfl board to decide when the season is complete.


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[Jones28]

Probably been mentioned already but...


Banderson saying (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ready-legal-fight-against-any-relegation-result-coronavirus-2451159) Hearts will take legal action if the season is finished early and Hearts are relegated.


Curiously enough, there's no quotes from anybody at Hearts.

What’s the argument?

“But but but...eh...we beat Hibs the other day?”

[Jim44]

I think the associations will ask the govt to cancel the season so as to avoid legal action I think

I think this will happen in the end. A few clubs will be unhappy but possibly only Dundee United will be apoplectic. Given the extreme circumstances, to make amends, the new season could start with teams who lost out, getting bonus points and teams who were lucky to escape relegation, getting minus points. A bit daft but then the situation we are in is crazy and unprecedented. :greengrin

[Radium]

I think the associations will ask the govt to cancel the season so as to avoid legal action I think

They don’t need to, rules state that the board can decide on the end of the season. Whether they do or not is another thing

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[munchar]

Not going to happen the restructure argument has been raised virtually every year since Premiership was established, it has been shot down every time.

Additionally, clubs have next seasons ST ready for sale based on 12 team leagues.

Of course, Hertz and teams in similar positions all over the world, will hope & pray for a null & void season or restructure of leagues etc however, the only fair way (to the majority) is bring the season to an end NOW and current league positions apply. Cups - well the respective organisations will come up with a means of completing these competitions ONCE it is clear that football can restart (July/August hopefully but could be later).

There’s no way Hearts would object to league platings being final if they were 2nd bottom. They had the chance to leapfrog St. Mirren, & weren’t good enough. What’s their argument? We will win 4/5 of our last 8 games? Even though they have only won 4/30 and are 4 points adrift. Even then it may not be enough.
The only possible alteration around the country, is Aston Villa, who currently sit 3rd bottom in a relegation spot, may possibly be allowed to play their outstanding game in hand behind closed doors tp make themselves safe. If your in a relegation spot, it’s because you’ve not been good enough over 30 odd games. End of.

[I'm Spartacus]

Given who's involved - relegate now!

If this was England and totally unconnected to my and my teams interests, I'd say, 24 points is a lot of points up for grabs, it's nearly 1/4 of a season.

- Cancel the next winter break.
- Make all contracts have to extend to the end of the current playing season.
- Play full cards on Saturday/Wednesday's and **** the European rule of not playing games on Euro nights.
- Start next season late and play
- Show as many games as possible on TV and offer advertising through the roof

At the end of this the UK will be choking for sport.

[The 90+2]

The teams being relegated in the EPL will be highly compensated without a doubt which a couple will see a bonus considering they look doomed already. Same with teams like Barnsley the league below.

[Joe6-2]

I see Tyneastle features on Dr Who ....

Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Anyone got a pic? I think this is absolutely hilarious

[660]

Barry Anderson has about as much grasp of the legal situation as a chimp does when faced with a rubix cube. Getting some delicious bites from jambo acquaintances already. Hope they confirm it soon so we can pass these dark hibsless days by goading the cardigan enthusiasts.

[Since452]

I think the associations will ask the govt to cancel the season so as to avoid legal action I think

Exactly what will happen

[green day]

I think the associations will ask the govt to cancel the season so as to avoid legal action I think

I dont think the govt has the right to "cancel the season" and I also think they will have many more pressing and important issues than settling arguments in football.

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[Jones28]

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Interesting, so relegations and promotions apply?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Interesting, so relegations and promotions apply?

So it seems.


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[Jones28]

So it seems.


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B. E. A. Utiful

[HibbySpurs]

Exactly what will happen

Really?

Has anyone considered the reputation cost to any club bringing legal action against a decision made for the good of the sport and for the good of the general population at a time like this?

If the decision is to finalise the league now due to a health emergency, any club taking legal action purely in their own self interest would be pilloried by society for doing so and make themselves pariahs.

Not so easy to bring litigation at times like these as perhaps people think.

[Peevemor]

I dont think the govt has the right to "cancel the season" and I also think they will have many more pressing and important issues than settling arguments in football.The SPFL is a private company is it not? The government can intervene when it comes to crowd control, etc. but not on results or league standings.

[660]

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Keep going I’m close.

[Peevemor]

So it seems.


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[Col2]

The same guy is now saying Hearts won’t be relegated as they will base SFA sing on last season. I don’t understand.

[Peevemor]

The same guy is now saying Hearts won’t be relegated as they will base SFA sing on last season. I don’t understand.He seems to have gone from passing on information to sharing his opinion.

[660]

The same guy is now saying Hearts won’t be relegated as they will base SFA sing on last season. I don’t understand.

That’s his “personal view” and it includes his team killie qualifying for Europe which seems like wishful thinking to say the least

[Jim44]

The same guy is now saying Hearts won’t be relegated as they will base SFA sing on last season. I don’t understand.

Seems to conflict with his earlier info.

[Col2]

The same guy is now saying Hearts won’t be relegated as they will base SFA sing on last season. I don’t understand.

[JimBHibees]

Why would the league be making a decision at this stage when they don't need to? Surely they wait and see how the position is in a months time or so,

[Frankhfc]

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It would be the righl outcome.

Allows Scottish football five months off to prepare for next season and more importantly in which time very hopefully we're over the worst of covid 19 crisis and back to relative normality.

[The 90+2]

Who’s Gavin Wallace when he’s at home?

[Jim44]

Another punter like all of us who doesn’t have the foggiest about what will happen.

[Peevemor]

Another punter like all of us who doesn’t have the foggiest about what will happen.

He works for the Beeb & Killie.

[grunt]

Who is the SPFL Premier league club without insurance?

[jacomo]

Really?

Has anyone considered the reputation cost to any club bringing legal action against a decision made for the good of the sport and for the good of the general population at a time like this?

If the decision is to finalise the league now due to a health emergency, any club taking legal action purely in their own self interest would be pilloried by society for doing so and make themselves pariahs.

Not so easy to bring litigation at times like these as perhaps people think.


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Legal action would also happen if the season was cancelled.

The situation in Scotland is that even Sevco recognise the title is finished, so while I’m sure they’d prefer 19/20 be cancelled I doubt they’d have the brass neck to complain too loudly if Celtc get given the league.

Is Hearts, saviours of the world in WWI, really going to sue if they are relegated?

[The 90+2]

Surely there’s many clubs around Europe that could be bumped out of champions league places and money if they just void all the leagues? I’m sure they will lose a lot more £ than poor hearts, the same club that shafted Dundee to stay up after announcing admin after the season ended knowing they couldn’t continue.

[Waxy]

Must have been seasons last century that finished way into the summer simply through poor winter weather and no undersoil heating.

[Waxy]

Who’s Gavin Wallace when he’s at home?

Probably still Gavin Wallace.

[CentreLine]

Must have been seasons last century that finished way into the summer simply through poor winter weather and no undersoil heating.

Nope. They just played on ice, mud or snow. So long as they could sweep the lines. There were some funny surfaces even in the 60’s when I started attending games but a lot of players paid them price in their knees and other joints as a result

Thick fog and deep snow were the only things that stopped a game.

[Jim44]

He works for the Beeb & Killie.

He probably still won’t have a clue about any decisions.

[Ozyhibby]

Why would the league be making a decision at this stage when they don't need to? Surely they wait and see how the position is in a months time or so,

They need money in to clubs. Can’t do that until decisions are made.


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[G B Young]

The main story on the BBC Scottish football page...the club calling for the season to be declared void can surely only be the yams? Or maybe the huns keen to stop 9 in a row?

[RoYO!]

Declare all remaining games a draw?

That way if you have a game in hand you have something to show for it?

[Waxy]

Jambos deserve to go down. Simple.

[Tug Wilson]

I find it funny that a club or its supporters can talk about a potential 24 to play for when they have only managed to earn 23 so far.

That's 23 out of a possible 90 which suggests that they are only likely to get 6 or 7 of the next 24.

[lord bunberry]

Why would the league be making a decision at this stage when they don't need to? Surely they wait and see how the position is in a months time or so,
If they make a decision now then clubs who have insurance for lost revenue will be able to make a claim, and also any prize money due can be paid out.
I would hazard a guess that the team without insurance might be Hamilton after what happened there recently when they were conned out of a load of money.

[Skol]

This really is an unprecedented situation. Anyone complaining about unfair decisions and contemplating legal actions based on a situation where there is no right decision needs to take a long hard look at them self.

Ultimately we are all going to be financially impacted. Many people will lose jobs. Many will die.

[Not In The Know]

Jambos deserve to go down. Simple.

Does anyone have the stats on points won over the last 18 months? I'm sure when Avril was in charge they had the worst record in a calendar year.

Its certainly not been better since Stendal took over!

If you have been the worst team in Scotland for 18 months and you get relegated how can they complain about that? :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[G B Young]

This really is an unprecedented situation. Anyone complaining about unfair decisions and contemplating legal actions based on a situation where there is no right decision needs to take a long hard look at them self.

Ultimately we are all going to be financially impacted. Many people will lose jobs. Many will die.

Precisely. How self obsessed and small minded would the yams look by dragging this through the courts at a time of global crisis to try and avoid a spell in the Championship? You'd have thought a 'great businesswoman' would be able to see the bigger picture.

[Hibs4185]

Waiting for the barbers to open and had a quick chuckle at Keeckback.

Plenty of the Dunkirk spirit over there...‘we won’t take this lying down” “we will take them to court-and win!” “We will bring the Scottish football house of cards down”

Absolute roasters.

[Since452]

Waiting for the barbers to open and had a quick chuckle at Keeckback.

Plenty of the Dunkirk spirit over there...‘we won’t take this lying down” “we will take them to court-and win!” “We will bring the Scottish football house of cards down”

Absolute roasters.

Wonder what their opinion would be if Hibs we're bottom

[matty_f]

Just relegate them already.

[660]

Waiting for the barbers to open and had a quick chuckle at Keeckback.

Plenty of the Dunkirk spirit over there...‘we won’t take this lying down” “we will take them to court-and win!” “We will bring the Scottish football house of cards down”

Absolute roasters.

Hearts Twitter aka Twatter is similar. Loads of bleating from clowns like Ewan Murray who could win global awards for most punchable face.

[Keith_M]

Just relegate them already.


Oy vey!

[Ozyhibby]

If they make a decision now then clubs who have insurance for lost revenue will be able to make a claim, and also any prize money due can be paid out.
I would hazard a guess that the team without insurance might be Hamilton after what happened there recently when they were conned out of a load of money.

A lot of rumours it is Sevco.


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[lord bunberry]

A lot of rumours it is Sevco.


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That would be a shame. :wink:

[jacomo]

Waiting for the barbers to open and had a quick chuckle at Keeckback.

Plenty of the Dunkirk spirit over there...‘we won’t take this lying down” “we will take them to court-and win!” “We will bring the Scottish football house of cards down”

Absolute roasters.


And I thought making sacrifices for the greater good was the thing that defines the Famous?

Utter snowflakes.

[HibbySpurs]

If they make a decision now then clubs who have insurance for lost revenue will be able to make a claim, and also any prize money due can be paid out.
I would hazard a guess that the team without insurance might be Hamilton after what happened there recently when they were conned out of a load of money.

I’d hazard a guess it may well be Hearts as they’re always trying to save a few easy quid like not doing their stand as a D&B and appointing a main contractor.

Highly possible they’ve been caught with their pants down (again)...

[Thief]

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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!


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[GloryGlory]

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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!


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Budge has already got her exit worked out.

[Waxy]

Just relegate them already.

Well they are bottom. If they end the season now its bye bye.

[GloryGlory]

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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!


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Hearts spending £1.225M a month! :dizzy:

[Ronniekirk]

A lot of rumours it is Sevco.


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[Waxy]

To get the SPL league payout the clubs will have to accept their finishing position.Doubt any club can afford not to now.

[HibbySpurs]

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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!


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Of course there is no verifying how accurate the table is but if it's anywhere near correct it is pleasing to see that our club is run well within it's means and the long term stability of the club is the ethos of it's stewards. We on the basis of this will be ok for 6 months although none of us want to see the clubs capital dwindle away due to enforced shut down.

Look at the two clubs who appear to be in the most precarious position, one is a phoenix club from an older liquidated club and the other has only recently endured points deductions for going into administration due to financial mismanagement. It is apparent neither of these clubs have learned a single thing from these experiences and continue to sail close to the wind with no "rainy day money" whatsoever.... Well, unfortunately for them (and the rest of football generally) the heavens have just opened and it's pouring down and is likely to do so for a while yet.

It will be interesting to see what sort of shape these two clubs come out of this current crisis in.

[Seveno]

It remains to be seen which clubs actually have Business Interruption Insurance that will respond to this eventuality. Standard policies tend to list the diseases and only those with a good Broker will be likely to have the wider cover that responds to any notifiable disease (which has been declared by the Govt).

[Ozyhibby]

It remains to be seen which clubs actually have Business Interruption Insurance that will respond to this eventuality. Standard policies tend to list the diseases and only those with a good Broker will be likely to have the wider cover that responds to any notifiable disease (which has been declared by the Govt).

I think that is why the clubs want the govt to forbid them from holding fixtures.


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[Jones28]

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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!


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If bums are twitching at Tynecastle there will be diarrhoea sloshing about Ibrox.

[Springbank]

Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.

[The 90+2]

Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.

Why would the league give hearts prize money if they have shown their intentions to use it to draw up legal action against the same body? I’m thinking terms and conditions of an early payout will be agreeing to the decision. No agreement by any club, no payout, just in case they have to compensate Dundee Utd.

Good second point mind you. I think the players will have to take reduced terms or leave and not be kicked out due to relegation though - who is going to give any of they huddies contracts at this time when everyone is struggling?

I think hearts will agree to a large parachute payment then come out with some **** about not taking legal action in these times trying to get some moral victory.

[The 90+2]

If bums are twitching at Tynecastle there will be diarrhoea sloshing about Ibrox.

Probably why they will want the season ended ASAP - to start selling season tickets for next year and ask UEFA for their prize money for Europa league.

[sean04]

Probably why they will want the season ended ASAP - to start selling season tickets for next year and ask UEFA for their prize money for Europa league.

If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

[The 90+2]

If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

Correct. That’s my theory as to why they have been quiet as anything and hearts are the club that wants the season void.

[Jones28]

If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

That’s my query too, how can prize money be awarded for a competition that was effectively cancelled?

[Wakeyhibee]

If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

Will UEFA not have to reimburse their sponsors and TV deals?

[Joe6-2]

Precisely. How self obsessed and small minded would the yams look by dragging this through the courts at a time of global crisis to try and avoid a spell in the Championship? You'd have thought a 'great businesswoman' would be able to see the bigger picture.

If only they had one

[The 90+2]

That’s my query too, how can prize money be awarded for a competition that was effectively cancelled?

They won’t want the Europa league voided. That’s the point of them now signing from the rooftops already.

[jacomo]

Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.


And two likely problems:

1. She forgot to organise insurance (just as she forgot to order the seats)

2. Not all contracts have relegation clauses and she has no idea what the likely liability is.

The media loves to praise Budge’s business acumen, but all the evidence from her time at Hearts is a woman who became very wealthy after good fortune and is now way out of her depth.

I’m not sure the Jambos have much to feel confident about.

[The 90+2]

And two likely problems:

1. She forgot to organise insurance (just as she forgot to order the seats)

2. Not all contracts have relegation clauses and she has no idea what the likely liability is.

The media loves to praise Budge’s business acumen, but all the evidence from her time at Hearts is a woman who became very wealthy after good fortune and is no way out of her depth.

I’m not sure the Jambos have much to feel confident about.

She thought Levein was the messiah, he loves himself and was director of football - why on earth in that case would he insist on relegation clauses for all the diddies he signed? “Right Craig, I know we are looking to challenge Celtic this year but in case we come bottom make sure we can release Damour or Uche on half wages please”

[sean04]

That’s my query too, how can prize money be awarded for a competition that was effectively cancelled?

Rangers need to decide between wanting the season voided and nothing is won and no prize money awarded or concede the title to Celtic. A lot of there fans want the season voided to stop 9 in a row but without thinking it thru they could put themselves in a horrible financial situation. Who represents Scotland in Europe next season? If the season is voided then nobody has qualified

[malcolm]

And two likely problems:

1. She forgot to organise insurance (just as she forgot to order the seats)

2. Not all contracts have relegation clauses and she has no idea what the likely liability is.

The media loves to praise Budge’s business acumen, but all the evidence from her time at Hearts is a woman who became very wealthy after good fortune and is now way out of her depth.

I’m not sure the Jambos have much to feel confident about.

How any regulation is drafted would be relevant. They may apply from the expected end of season not at the point when a relegation spot is certain. This would give the to be emptied manager the certainty of income up to the expected end of the season. We are in unprecedented territory but a clause that is written so can be activated from a certain date, e.g. say a review in May rather than from when regulation applies at an undefined season end date would not help dr budge however much she’d like to wash her hands of expensive staff. :wink:

[The 90+2]

Budge knows:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-confirms-hearts-take-21702224

“We’ve already made our feelings known to the spfl in a non-pushy way (although now threatening legal action)”. = we are running to the media now because we aren’t going to get it our way and now putting pressure on the league.

[Ozyhibby]

Budge knows:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-confirms-hearts-take-21702224

“We’ve already made our feelings known to the spfl in a non-pushy way (although now threatening legal action)”. = we are running to the media now because we aren’t going to get it our way and now putting pressure on the league.

Last paragraph tells you she knows they are toast.


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[jacomo]

Budge knows:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budge-confirms-hearts-take-21702224

“We’ve already made our feelings known to the spfl in a non-pushy way (although now threatening legal action)”. = we are running to the media now because we aren’t going to get it our way and now putting pressure on the league.


Oh wow.

Even with her record, Budge is about to make her biggest mistake so far.

Is she really going to drag the SPFL through the courts on this, holding up a resolution and financial settlement for all the other clubs?

I know she is a fool, but I didn’t know she was this much of a fool.

[EskbankHibby]

Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.

And:

3) Relegation becomes somebody else's fault. We do know how our Gorgie chums love to abdicate responsibility (see Poppy foundation, Hearts Community Trust, Scottish Ambulance Service etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc)

[matty_f]

Last paragraph tells you she knows they are toast.


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I hope Dundee United are prepared to go to court if they're refused promotion, in that case.

[Bostonhibby]

They've been toast since before Budge appointed Desperate Dan, his track record sealed it and their league position is going to see them deservedly relegated.

Every other team in the country is affected by Coronavirus the same way and it's telling who the loudest bleaters are. Shameless and entitled, the good doctor is making sevconians look dignified.

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[theonlywayisup]

Totally hypothetical question................

Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.

:hmmm:

[Waxy]

Totally hypothetical question................

Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.

:hmmm:
Let me guess?
Off with St Mirrens heads she cries.

[Bostonhibby]

Totally hypothetical question................

Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.

:hmmm:Would never have happened if Craig Levein had been in charge?[emoji16]

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[jacomo]

They've been toast since before Budge appointed Desperate Dan, his track record sealed it and their league position is going to see them deservedly relegated.

Every other team in the country is affected by Coronavirus the same way and it's telling who the loudest bleaters are. Shameless and entitled, the good doctor is making sevconians look dignified.

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It’s the heroic sacrifice made by Hearts that really swells the chest and brings a tear to the eye... a century on from that magnificent gesture, once again Hearts put the country ahead of their own self-interest...

What?! They are bleating about relegation despite being, by any measure, the worst team in the top flight?

Oh. I see.

[hibeerealist]

I hope Dundee United are prepared to go to court if they're refused promotion, in that case.

No need Matty, Promotion and Relegation should be announced in next 48 hours. Clubs already know their individual and collective position. PM (Boris) to announce to public (all agreed with FIFA / UEFA) which takes onus off the respective football associations and Business Interruption Insurance will kick in (for those that have it, saw somebody had been told one club in SPL does not have it surely no).

The governments everywhere have more on their plate to worry about than who gets relegated from the SPL!!!

This Virus is massive and we are in unprecedented territory, millions will die and EVERYONE's life will change, at least temporarily. Budge/Hertz will not be taking any legal action expect confirmation on league positions within 48 hours.

[DaveF]

I ****ing love st mirren 😁

[HoboHarry]

No need Matty, Promotion and Relegation should be announced in next 48 hours. Clubs already know their individual and collective position. PM (Boris) to announce to public (all agreed with FIFA / UEFA) hich takes onus off the respective football associations and Business Interruption Insurance will kick in (for those that have it, saw somebody had been told one club in SPL does not have it surely no).

The governments everywhere have more on their plate to worry about than who gets relegated from the SPL!!!

This Virus is massive and we are in unprecedented territory, millions will die and EVERYONE's life will change, at least temporarily. Budge/Hertz will not be taking any legal action expect confirmation on league positions within 48 hours.
Millions will die? Where are you getting that from?

[The 90+2]

I ****ing love st mirren 😁

:greengrin

[hibeerealist]

Millions will die? Where are you getting that from?

That is worldwide not UK

[truehibernian]

Totally hypothetical question................

Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.

:hmmm:

St. Mirren are fast turning into the nemesis of Hearts :greengrin capitulating to Celtic in 1986, beating them in the League Cup Final in 2013, and cementing their place at the foot of the table in 2020 and very possibly relegating them. :aok:

Can we have black and white stripes as an away kit next season :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Millions will die? Where are you getting that from?I thought that's what Budge was saying would happen when Hearts get relegated.

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[hibeerealist]

I thought that's what Budge was saying would happen when Hearts get relegated.

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lol:agree:

[Aldo]

So is Budge going to take the SPFL to court when they don’t get their share of the prize money?? After all by her reckoning the league/season wouldn’t be complete.

If the league is null/void then the SPFL may not have an obligation to pay out any prize money however if it is deemed complete then the clubs will then get what they are due, depending on their league position.

I bet most clubs, whilst not happy, would agree that the season was complete in order to get what was due.

Some fun times ahead I reckon.

FWIW I am also certain that Doncaster and Co will have sought the relevant legal advice prior to making any decision..... wonder Budge fancies taking on FiFA/UEFA too


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[Radium]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1239592355637932032?s=21

Interesting to see if the organisations that concocted the 5-way agreement can find their way through the current period of self interest


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[jacomo]

Budge quoted in the DR that she will take legal action.

She had a chance to act in a dignified manner about all this, but I can see it ending in humiliation for her now.

[The 90+2]

Budge quoted in the DR that she will take legal action.

She had a chance to act in a dignified manner about all this, but I can see it ending in humiliation for her now.

Yep. At least she has the backing of the huns now.

[HoboHarry]

Budge quoted in the DR that she will take legal action.

She had a chance to act in a dignified manner about all this, but I can see it ending in humiliation for her now.
Not what she is saying on the BBC - saber rattling for her audience and she likely knows she is on a loser with legal action....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51914718

[Frankhfc]

Not what she is saying on the BBC - saber rattling for her audience and she likely knows she is on a loser with legal action....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51914718

Totally agree, appeasing her audience. Taking legal advice and taking legal action are two separate things. The action won't happen.

[Aldo]

Not what she is saying on the BBC - saber rattling for her audience and she likely knows she is on a loser with legal action....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51914718

Or is she doing this and trying to say if you do relegate us regardless of the rules we will screw up the next season with a court case. Maybe trying to force the SPFL etc hand?


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[Skol]

This is not the time for threats of legal action FFS.

This is unprecedented and there is no easy or right answer. Whichever is taken impacts someone.

[Ozyhibby]

Not what she is saying on the BBC - saber rattling for her audience and she likely knows she is on a loser with legal action....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51914718

Seems to admit they are in financial trouble as well?


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[007]

Seems to admit they are in financial trouble as well?


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Aye, begging bowl is out.

[Frankhfc]

Seems to admit they are in financial trouble as well?


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Seems so. I wonder if their anonymous donors will be willing to pony up or if they've suddenly found themselves in the financial doo doo also. I'm not gloating over this as I think we're all going to suffer financially to one extent or another.

[Jim44]

Yep. At least she has the backing of the huns now.

Not quite. Stewart’s statement stops short of threatening legal action. I would be willing to bet that, in the event of UEFA making an unpopular decision for them, neither club will actually begin legal action. They couldn’t afford to lose.

[truehibernian]

Or is she doing this and trying to say if you do relegate us regardless of the rules we will screw up the next season with a court case. Maybe trying to force the SPFL etc hand?


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Dangerous tactic Aldo - they take legal action could the SFA then say 'well you're not competing in any competition until the case is heard' and lose their place as an associated member....'we'll replace you with Kelty Hearts :greengrin'. As I understand it, an associated member has to comply with the rules and duties of members as set out by the SFA. One of which is complying with the directives of the Board (SFA).

Say they are relegated and (Hearts) win any legal action (when they are playing in the Championship) - when do they get reinstated and in place of who ?

I honestly think the SFA and SPFL will play safe and restructure for a season or two and they'll avoid relegation.

[Callum_62]

I thought the SFA could decide when a season was finished

Can't find the clause now but said something like 38 games or when the board sees fit to call it season end

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[Mon Dieu4]

Dangerous tactic Aldo - they take legal action could the SFA then say 'well you're not competing in any competition until the case is heard' and lose their place as an associated member....'we'll replace you with Kelty Hearts :greengrin'. As I understand it, an associated member has to comply with the rules and duties of members as set out by the SFA. One of which is complying with the directives of the Board (SFA).

Say they are relegated and (Hearts) win any legal action (when they are playing in the Championship) - when do they get reinstated and in place of who ?

I honestly think the SFA and SPFL will play safe and restructure for a season or two and they'll avoid relegation.

Wouldn't imagine they would be reinstated if it went to a court case would more than likely lead to a hefty pay out instead imo

Anyway I thought it was illegal to try and take a a governing body to court?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

"In the current circumstances I hope common sense would prevail and that an exception is made in applying the 15 point deduction. I want Hearts to stay up because we deserve it and we win the points on the pitch"

😕🤯😂

[jacomo]

Not what she is saying on the BBC - saber rattling for her audience and she likely knows she is on a loser with legal action....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51914718


Not sure how that contradicts with what I posted - one way or the other, she is saying that Hearts will not accept relegation.

Overall, though, I am loving the desperate tone of her comments. She sounds like she is in real trouble.

Bye bye Hearts.

[GreenCastle]

It just had to be the wee huns and huns who are most upset - you couldn’t make it up.

Budge is worried..very worried..

She’s toast if they go down as fans will rapidly turn on her further.

[Aldo]

Dangerous tactic Aldo - they take legal action could the SFA then say 'well you're not competing in any competition until the case is heard' and lose their place as an associated member....'we'll replace you with Kelty Hearts :greengrin'. As I understand it, an associated member has to comply with the rules and duties of members as set out by the SFA. One of which is complying with the directives of the Board (SFA).

Say they are relegated and (Hearts) win any legal action (when they are playing in the Championship) - when do they get reinstated and in place of who ?

I honestly think the SFA and SPFL will play safe and restructure for a season or two and they'll avoid relegation.

I know it’s a minefield and slot of supposition and ifs/buts and maybes.

Tbh I’m sure the SPFL/SFA will make sure they have covered all their bases from a legal perspective but why do they (Hearts) have to put a statement out? Appease the hordes.

I really do hope they get relegated but what’s the bet the SPFL screw someone else to save hearts.


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[Aldo]

Not sure how that contradicts with what I posted - one way or the other, she is saying that Hearts will not accept relegation.

Overall, though, I am loving the desperate tone of her comments. She sounds like she is in real trouble.

Bye bye Hearts.

Reading that article would indicate that they are again living outwith their means and in financial difficulty..... even if they have insurance? Players offering to return wages etc

O and the fans to donate even more to help them.

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[Kato]

Seems to admit they are in financial trouble as well?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1239592355637932032?s=21

This is weak from Budge. She knows they don’t have a legal leg to stand on.


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[Since452]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1239592355637932032?s=21

This is weak from Budge. She knows they don’t have a legal leg to stand on.


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So she's going to ***** more fans money on a legal case she won't win while there's a stand to finish and high earners to get rid of for the Championship season starting?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm not gloating over this as I think we're all going to suffer financially to one extent or another.

Very much this.

[lord bunberry]

Ffs old Self sufficient Southern has just been wheeled out by the bbc. I wondered where he was hiding.

[The 90+2]

So she's going to ***** more fans money on a legal case she won't win while there's a stand to finish and high earners to get rid of for the Championship season starting?

Shameless.

“We are going to fight this”

PS were skint, gives your money in a time everyone is worried about employment.

[matty_f]

What will they do if Heriot Watt closes down?

Fife College announced it was to close earlier, if Riccarton gets closed they will have to make alternative training arrangements as well, you'd imagine.

[The 90+2]

What will they do if Heriot Watt closes down?

Fife College announced it was to close earlier, if Riccarton gets closed they will have to make alternative training arrangements as well, you'd imagine.

Is sighthill pitz still open?

[Aldo]

Is sighthill pitz still open?

Why would the train on a pitch that’s bigger than they are used to? [emoji41]


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[Kato]

What will they do if Heriot Watt closes down?

Fife College announced it was to close earlier, if Riccarton gets closed they will have to make alternative training arrangements as well, you'd imagine.Training for what?

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[matty_f]

Training for what?

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They'll still have to train.

[Ozyhibby]

They'll still have to train.

I think after tomorrow the season will be over and players will be sent away.


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[Aldo]

I think after tomorrow the season will be over and players will be sent away.


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I think I read today that Hibs, Aberdeen and another couple of teams have advised their players to stay away!


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[Ozyhibby]

I think I read today that Hibs, Aberdeen and another couple of teams have advised their players to stay away!


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East Mains is closed until the 23rd at least I think.


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[Aldo]

East Mains is closed until the 23rd at least I think.


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Makes sense. Season is over imho so no point in putting players etc at risk


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[cocteautwin]

Seems so. I wonder if their anonymous donors will be willing to pony up or if they've suddenly found themselves in the financial doo doo also. I'm not gloating over this as I think we're all going to suffer financially to one extent or another.

Maybe not gloating but there would have to be a strong element of schadenfreude and knowing head nods from the people here who’ve been pointing out, for a number of years now, exactly how much HMFC have been over spending on their project. It’ll be no surprise if they find themselves in serious financial difficulty.

[HoboHarry]

Makes sense. Season is over imho so no point in putting players etc at risk


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This eejit thinks that it should continue.........

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51913599

[Aldo]

Maybe not gloating but there would have to be a strong element of schadenfreude and knowing head nods from the people here who’ve been pointing out, for a number of years now, exactly how much HMFC have been over spending on their project. It’ll be no surprise if they find themselves in serious financial difficulty.

I don’t think it’s if they find themselves in financial difficulty I think they are after Budges comments today. Surely they budget wages and outlays from the start of the season and that should contain a contingency?? But no wait it’s Hearts!


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[Frankhfc]

Maybe not gloating but there would have to be a strong element of schadenfreude and knowing head nods from the people here who’ve been pointing out, for a number of years now, exactly how much HMFC have been over spending on their project. It’ll be no surprise if they find themselves in serious financial difficulty.

True.

They certainly have a track record of spending vastly over and above their means. Their exhorbitant costing new stand may yet prove to be their undoing if they can't use it for its secondary purpose which was as an extra revenue stream.

[Aldo]

This eejit thinks that it should continue.........

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51913599

Hopefully find out in the next few days.


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[The 90+2]

Why would the train on a pitch that’s bigger than they are used to? [emoji41]


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Yasss :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

Hopefully find out in the next few days.


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Hearts and Sevco going bust wouldn't be quite as good as the SDG final but it would be a close run thing...... :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

What will they do if Heriot Watt closes down?

Fife College announced it was to close earlier, if Riccarton gets closed they will have to make alternative training arrangements as well, you'd imagine.

Edinburgh Uni doing remote learning from Friday.

1s and 2 year exams cancelled.

3rd year exams online!!

The uni library and gym open but if they decide to shut you will probably see HW close but Hearts would train at back pitch at Tynie.

[jacomo]

This eejit thinks that it should continue.........

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51913599


So they want the season to continue, but only if fans are allowed in, but large events may be banned for up to 4 months, getting is to mid July.

How will that work?

[Skol]

I think I read today that Hibs, Aberdeen and another couple of teams have advised their players to stay away!


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I am sure I heard that Diabetes is one of the at risk groups. I would imagine Scott Allan is being very careful. Hearts are threatening Legal action. Says it all really

[HoboHarry]

So they want the season to continue, but only if fans are allowed in, but large events may be banned for up to 4 months, getting is to mid July.

How will that work?
Like Budge, I think he knows what is going to happen so he is saber rattling because he needs a scapegoat(s) if it goes mammaries skywards.......

[Aldo]

I am sure I heard that Diabetes is one of the at risk groups. I would imagine Scott Allan is being very careful. Hearts are threatening Legal action. Says it all really

It is indeed. Tbh football is secondary to ensuring the health and well-being of those involved


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[mjhibby]

Maybe not gloating but there would have to be a strong element of schadenfreude and knowing head nods from the people here who’ve been pointing out, for a number of years now, exactly how much HMFC have been over spending on their project. It’ll be no surprise if they find themselves in serious financial difficulty.

Surely the mystery benefactor will bail them out. In the short term it is a problem for all clubs but if we do resume in say 12 weeks the losses can be minimilised. It's not only Hertz that will be relegated or is it as usual all about them and the rangers where sporting integrity is concerned. Funny how it never bothered them when they were spending tens of millions on players they couldn't afford.

[cocteautwin]

I don’t think it’s if they find themselves in financial difficulty I think they are after Budges comments today. Surely they budget wages and outlays from the start of the season and that should contain a contingency?? But no wait it’s Hearts!


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They were already £4m short at the start of the season having spent most of the early season ticket money when most clubs keep this money in the bank to be spread out over the season. The anonymous benefactor probably injected this £4m similar to previous seasons. Won’t get confirmation of this until the next accounts are published.

They’ll have had a bit of an unexpected financial shock due to the new management team and extra players signed mid season.

If the benefactor or Budge isn’t putting in more cash they will be in serious financial difficulties. From what I can gather though, Budge has received back her £2m from FoH so I’d imagine she’ll need to put that back in to the club as another loan to keep them ticking over.

If the season ends now and HMFC don’t get the cash from the cup run, extra income from the final games, and they get relegated then I would predict that unless they get significant outside injections of financing then HMFC are looking at another administration/insolvency event.

[Aldo]

They were already £4m short at the start of the season having spent most of the early season ticket money when most clubs keep this money in the bank to be spread out over the season. The anonymous benefactor probably injected this £4m similar to previous seasons. Won’t get confirmation of this until the next accounts are published.

They’ll have had a bit of an unexpected financial shock due to the new management team and extra players signed mid season.

If the benefactor or Budge isn’t putting in more cash they will be in serious financial difficulties. From what I can gather though, Budge has received back her £2m from FoH so I’d imagine she’ll need to put that back in to the club as another loan to keep them ticking over.

If the season ends now and HMFC don’t get the cash from the cup run, extra income from the final games, and they get relegated then I would predict that unless they get serious outside injections of financing then HMFC are looking at another administration/insolvency event.

Living outwith their means yet again snd if some anonymous benefactor hadn’t ploughed millions in already they wouldn’t have been able to post a profit (not sure how much) sure £3 million was quoted in one of their accounts.


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[04Sauzee]

Anyone know when the Hearts documentary will be on. This will be must see TV 😅

[Bostonhibby]

Seems to admit they are in financial trouble as well?


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[Kato]

This eejit thinks that it should continue.........

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51913599He doesn't. They are just spreading dissent to muddy Celtc's 9iar.

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[Ozyhibby]

Like Budge, I think he knows what is going to happen so he is saber rattling because he needs a scapegoat(s) if it goes mammaries skywards.......

He should know what’s going on, he’s on the spfl board that is making the decision.


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[Springbank]

Budge will know that being relegated cures many of her financial woes at a stroke of a pen

9am -
announcement of relegation

9.01am -
cancel expensive contracts of players like Boyce etc who have relegation clauses, save a 7 figure sum

9.02am
Receive sponsors money for league placing / end of season

9.03am
Aaaaand Breathe....

[Bostonhibby]

Reading that article would indicate that they are again living outwith their means and in financial difficulty..... even if they have insurance? Players offering to return wages etc

O and the fans to donate even more to help them.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDon't forget the cakes, they do a very nice Battenburg and the pre admin fondant fancies are looking a real possibility.

They really should have just concentrated on amassing more points than St Mirren and Hamilton instead of making documentaries and trying to be a big team owned by thousands of flumps called Duncan.

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[weecounty hibby]

So we have hearts and the Hun complaining about integrity and fairness. The irony is off the charts. **** off you pair of low life, cheating, thieving, disgusting bunch of ********s. Completely unapologetic for your previous crimes and I do mean crimes cos that's what they were. Huns to win nothing and the tarts get relegated is the right decision. To be honest in a time where national emergencies are being declared a two bit excuse for a football club who have robbed charities should be the least of anyone's worries. **** them

[Aldo]

Don't forget the cakes, they do a very nice Battenburg and the pre admin fondant fancies are looking a real possibility.

They really should have just concentrated on amassing more points than St Mirren and Hamilton instead of making documentaries and trying to be a big team owned by thousands of flumps called Duncan.

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Indeed BH and let’s not forget the Cash [emoji230].

Thing is it’s like it’s everyone else fault they are in this situation. Cut your cloth accordingly and always include a contingency however let’s blow millions on a single tiered rust bucket (we know how that has gone) and mismanage money.

She’s already said that staff may have to take unpaid leave etc. Does this mean they may but be paying the bills?? Council tax or business rate or whatever it’s called?


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[hibeerealist]

So we have hearts and the Hun complaining about integrity and fairness. The irony is off the charts. **** off you pair of low life, cheating, thieving, disgusting bunch of ********s. Completely unapologetic for your previous crimes and I do mean crimes cos that's what they were. Huns to win nothing and the tarts get relegated is the right decision. To be honest in a time where national emergencies are being declared a two bit excuse for a football club who have robbed charities should be the least of anyone's worries. **** them

You could not make it up!

Well said WCH

[AltheHibby]

Anyone know when the Hearts documentary will be on. This will be must see TV 😅

Soon, going by IMDB

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9073898/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

[04Sauzee]

Budge will know that being relegated cures many of her financial woes at a stroke of a pen

9am -
announcement of relegation

9.01am -
cancel expensive contracts of players like Boyce etc who have relegation clauses, save a 7 figure sum

9.02am
Receive sponsors money for league placing / end of season

9.03am
Aaaaand Breathe....

How much money did they pay for Boyce. Will Boyce get the same money anywhere else? Does he have a release clause?

I think her a#&e is twitching like a bunnies nose

[HoboHarry]

He should know what’s going on, he’s on the spfl board that is making the decision.


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Their decisions will I'm sure be based on direction given by FIFA this week.....

[Bostonhibby]

Indeed BH and let’s not forget the Cash [emoji230].

Thing is it’s like it’s everyone else fault they are in this situation. Cut your cloth accordingly and always include a contingency however let’s blow millions on a single tiered rust bucket (we know how that has gone) and mismanage money.

She’s already said that staff may have to take unpaid leave etc. Does this mean they may but be paying the bills?? Council tax or business rate or whatever it’s called?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure the council and the stewards of the Oriam will diligently pursue Hearts for payment of all the money they are due for their services. They definitely won't want to end up as stiffed creditors like the last time/their predecessors.

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[Since452]

So we have hearts and the Hun complaining about integrity and fairness. The irony is off the charts. **** off you pair of low life, cheating, thieving, disgusting bunch of ********s. Completely unapologetic for your previous crimes and I do mean crimes cos that's what they were. Huns to win nothing and the tarts get relegated is the right decision. To be honest in a time where national emergencies are being declared a two bit excuse for a football club who have robbed charities should be the least of anyone's worries. **** them

Exactly. **** them. Karma's a bitch.

[Aldo]

I'm sure the council and the stewards of the Oriam will diligently pursue Hearts for payment of all the money they are due for their services. They definitely won't want to end up as stiffed creditors like the last time/their predecessors.

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If this is the case all I will say is .. we shall see!


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[Bostonhibby]

If this is the case all I will say is .. we shall see!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWe really do need a sarcasm smiley.

Last time around the council were extremely generous/ supportive in not pursuing the accumulated business debt as they would other city tax payers, and Heriot Watt let a large debt accrue for rent without seriously pursuing it.

Why would this time be any different?

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[04Sauzee]

Boy on Kickback has all the info on what's happening with thee league this year and next. Seems legit 👀

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188106-sfa-coronavirus-suggestion-title-amended/

[Ozyhibby]

We really do need a sarcasm smiley.

Last time around the council were extremely generous/ supportive in not pursuing the accumulated business debt as they would other city tax payers, and Heriot Watt let a large debt accrue for rent without seriously pursuing it.

Why would this time be any different?

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Last time they were in the bidding process to get Oriam and having Hearts there was seen as a help in their bid. They have Oriam now and might not be so charitable this time.


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[Aldo]

We really do need a sarcasm smiley.

Last time around the council were extremely generous/ supportive in not pursuing the accumulated business debt as they would other city tax payers, and Heriot Watt let a large debt accrue for rent without seriously pursuing it.

Why would this time be any different?

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Indeed however did chase OAP’s for missing a few payments yet they let them away with around £100k worth of failed payments which they never recouped.


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[Jim44]

Boy on Kickback has all the info on what's happening with thee league this year and next. Seems legit ��

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188106-sfa-coronavirus-suggestion-title-amended/

He should get a bloody life. :yawn:

[Since452]

Boy on Kickback has all the info on what's happening with thee league this year and next. Seems legit 👀

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188106-sfa-coronavirus-suggestion-title-amended/

Needs to lose his virginity pronto

[Bostonhibby]

Last time they were in the bidding process to get Oriam and having Hearts there was seen as a help in their bid. They have Oriam now and might not be so charitable this time.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAgreed, my cynicism stems from the apparent reluctance of anything and anyone publicly funded to nail Hearts for money they're owed.

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[007]

Boy on Kickback has all the info on what's happening with thee league this year and next. Seems legit 👀

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188106-sfa-coronavirus-suggestion-title-amended/

He's got his facts wrong in his 1st sentence because more than 75% of the matches have been played not less so he's probably talking bollocks.

[Aldo]

He's got his facts wrong in his 1st sentence because more than 75% of the matches have been played not less so he's probably talking bollocks.

78.947% barring 2 teams how have only played 29 games (I’m sad)


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[hibeerealist]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!

[Frankhfc]

Boy on Kickback has all the info on what's happening with thee league this year and next. Seems legit 👀

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188106-sfa-coronavirus-suggestion-title-amended/

That thread is comedy gold.

:greengrin

[InchHibby]

So we have hearts and the Hun complaining about integrity and fairness. The irony is off the charts. **** off you pair of low life, cheating, thieving, disgusting bunch of ********s. Completely unapologetic for your previous crimes and I do mean crimes cos that's what they were. Huns to win nothing and the tarts get relegated is the right decision. To be honest in a time where national emergencies are being declared a two bit excuse for a football club who have robbed charities should be the least of anyone's worries. **** them

Don’t hold back 😂😂👍

[Hibeesmad]

Hearts are going down.

[The 90+2]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!

Seriously though, I hope she’s okay.

[Bostonhibby]

Sporting integrity?

It's almost as if the Romanov years happened at a different club, which they would have if they'd gone for a straightforward liquidation.

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[HoboHarry]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!
If this is true then I'm starting to believe Karma really does exist :greengrin

[Frankhfc]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!

The dawning realisation that her relationship at Tynecastle with Mr Midas Touch himself Craig Levein is surely reaching its finale?

:greengrin

[04Sauzee]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!
She really did look broken and ill. All joking aside I genuinely hope she's OK.

[ShadesLongThrow]

I wonder if the mysterious benefactor has taken a serious haircut with the crash in the markets over the last couple of weeks. They may not be in any position to prop them up again which is why Budge is looking so worried and saying this stuff.

[hibeerealist]

If this is true then I'm starting to believe Karma really does exist :greengrin

Maybe it finally does HH :agree:

[hibeerealist]

She really did look broken and ill. All joking aside I genuinely hope she's OK.

Don't wish her any ill will either.

However, the confident manner has disappeared and she really did look wiped out. She knows THEM will turn on her and she, along with Potter, will get the blame for relegation.

[cocteautwin]

Hearts are going down.

Down a league. And down the pan (financially).

[jacomo]

Boy on Kickback has all the info on what's happening with thee league this year and next. Seems legit 👀

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188106-sfa-coronavirus-suggestion-title-amended/


Yeah and then they are going to give Hearts a medal for being the Bestest and there will be a party on the plaza and Pele will bake a cake for Ann and everything!

[jacomo]

I wonder if the mysterious benefactor has taken a serious haircut with the crash in the markets over the last couple of weeks. They may not be in any position to prop them up again which is why Budge is looking so worried and saying this stuff.


Well the Harry Potter studio tour has closed, so...

[Hibs4185]

The SPFL were holding discussion with clubs this week. Budge releasing an interview like that must mean she’s been told hearts being relegated is the plan. If they said we are looking to finish the season later in the year, then there is no way she would give this interview.

Bye bye ya cheating fuds

[jacomo]

Don't wish her any ill will either.

However, the confident manner has disappeared and she really did look wiped out. She knows THEM will turn on her and she, along with Potter, will get the blame for relegation.


I don’t wish her any ill of course, but she really needs to take her medicine here.

Don’t talk about ‘sporting integrity’ and then propose a hasty league reconstruction to get yourselves out of trouble.

[007]

I don’t wish her any ill of course, but she really needs to take her medicine here.

Don’t talk about ‘sporting integrity’ and then propose a hasty league reconstruction to get yourselves out of trouble.

Likewise, don't wish her any ill will personally. She's been paid back so I don't know why she didn't just complete the transfer of ownership as well and get the help out of Dodge. She probably now feels that she can't now leave in the current circumstances and is regretting not leaving as soon as she was repaid.

[PatHead]

Yeah and then they are going to give Hearts a medal for being the Bestest and there will be a party on the plaza and Pele will bake a cake for Ann and everything!

Not a chance of baking a cake. There is no flour in the shops.

They really are screwed this time.

**** them.

[007]

Yeah and then they are going to give Hearts a medal for being the Bestest and there will be a party on the plaza and Pele will bake a cake for Ann and everything!

Hope he's not had any of this before he meets her:

https://images.app.goo.gl/Q7tswi853DQN4SN48

[Garymcl]

What was the season that our pink chums escaped relegation and I think it was Dundee we’re the club that got done by them for some obscure reason

[007]

What was the season that our pink chums escaped relegation and I think it was Dundee we’re the club that got done by them for some obscure reason

Not sure. Vaguely remember a season both of them featured prominently near the end. Mid 80's I think it was. 🤔🙄

[jacomo]

Likewise, don't wish her any ill will personally. She's been paid back so I don't know why she didn't just complete the transfer of ownership as well and get the help out of Dodge. She probably now feels that she can't now leave in the current circumstances and is regretting not leaving as soon as she was repaid.


They may well have announced the transfer of ownership by now were it not for the Coronavirus.

Of course, she wants to stay on as chair/ceo, which looks more baffling by the day.

[007]

Ann Budge's interview and the Rangers statement suggests they know which way the decision is heading and they don't like it, which is why they are getting their counter arguments into the public domain before the decision is announced. To let the fans know that they've not agreed to it.

[Ozyhibby]

Ann Budge's interview and the Rangers statement suggests they know which way the decision is heading and they don't like it, which is why they are getting their counter arguments into the public domain before the decision is announced. To let the fans know that they've not agreed to it.

That’s how it reads to me. There won’t be any legal challenge. The SPFL will act within their rules which basically allows them to do what they want. Fact is that this decision suits the majority of clubs so it will happen.


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[CraigHibee]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!

she looks like she's just come off a 3 week bender, she doesn't seem that confident either

i hope they drop :greengrin

[poolman]

She really did look broken and ill. All joking aside I genuinely hope she's OK.

Bollox, she's always looked like that, shrivelled up baboons arse

[ScottB]

Voiding is not an option, it’s been reported that would lead to refunds, cancelled contracts etc.

Waiting is all well and good, but the longer the wait, the more problems it causes.

Ending gives certainty, prize money gets paid out and clubs can plan for the eventual resumption next season.

Sure, it’s rough to be relegated with games left, but it’s rougher that many people will die, or lose their jobs.

[Jim44]

Voiding is not an option, it’s been reported that would lead to refunds, cancelled contracts etc.

Waiting is all well and good, but the longer the wait, the more problems it causes.

Ending gives certainty, prize money gets paid out and clubs can plan for the eventual resumption next season.

Sure, it’s rough to be relegated with games left, but it’s rougher that many people will die, or lose their jobs.

Can’t argue with that.

[NAE NOOKIE]

That’s how it reads to me. There won’t be any legal challenge. The SPFL will act within their rules which basically allows them to do what they want. Fact is that this decision suits the majority of clubs so it will happen.


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On the premise that if there's one thing above all else that motivates football clubs its self interest I'm struggling a wee bit to see how a decision to cancel the league now and relegate Hearts could suit the majority of clubs.

For a start ending the league now and relegating Hamilton would deny them the chance of a play off the rules state they are entitled to ... 11th isn't an automatic relegation place. If you keep Hamilton up that denies clubs with a real chance of promotion from the championship their chance.

St Johnstone are only a point behind Hibs, but have played a game less ... would they see it as fair if Hibs got a bigger share of the prize pot having played a game more?

For Hibs from a financial point of view having Hearts in the league guarantees us a full away end possibly twice a season, which would be replaced by Dundee Utd's 700 or so away support.

Given all that I'm not so sure as many clubs as folk think would be up for ending the season with placings as they stand now. I would have thought the option to promote Dundee Utd and ICT into a 14 team premier league for at least one season would have been the preferred one .. as I say, purely from a financial self interest POV.

[Dashing Bob S]

Why don’t they just finish this season when they would start the new one, in late July, virus permitting. Then go right into next season but with each team only playing each other twice and finishing up at the same time? All that would happen is that next season would be a shorter one, with 22 games, but a fair one.

[Since452]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!

I thought that too. She knows they're down. All over her face.

As much as I despise that shower and think they deserve every bit off Ill fortune they get plus more, I don't like seeing an old woman clearly in an emotional mess like that.

[Springbank]

Why don’t they just finish this season when they would start the new one, in late July, virus permitting. Then go right into next season but with each team only playing each other twice and finishing up at the same time? All that would happen is that next season would be a shorter one, with 22 games, but a fair one.

They cant just finish off season 19/20 in July because hearts & rangers will have gone bust in March (April at best) IF they dont get prize money before then.

Relegation & accepting 9iar in return for cash, because they outlived their respective means.

[franck sauzee]

Why don’t they just finish this season when they would start the new one, in late July, virus permitting. Then go right into next season but with each team only playing each other twice and finishing up at the same time? All that would happen is that next season would be a shorter one, with 22 games, but a fair one.

Can't see that happening. How do all the clubs sell season tickets at full price for a season with 8 fewer league games? Also isn't there a term about there being 4 old firms for TV. I reckon this season they'll be fine about losing 1 but they're not gonna want to lose 2 next season

[FilipinoHibs]

Likewise, don't wish her any ill will personally. She's been paid back so I don't know why she didn't just complete the transfer of ownership as well and get the help out of Dodge. She probably now feels that she can't now leave in the current circumstances and is regretting not leaving as soon as she was repaid.

Still has a £1.9 million loan outstanding and brother owed £750,000.

[Peevemor]

Can't see that happening. How do all the clubs sell season tickets at full price for a season with 8 fewer league games? Also isn't there a term about there being 4 old firms for TV. I reckon this season they'll be fine about losing 1 but they're not gonna want to lose 2 next season

There can't be, because in theory they're not both guaranteed to finish in the top 6.

[dchibs]

Bollox, she's always looked like that, shrivelled up baboons arse


:greengrin

[Stokesy's on fire]

it's only fair that they should go down. They deserve it

[FilipinoHibs]

Just watched the BBC interview with A Budge she looks totally wiped out, the news she has been given (relegation) has shattered her she is almost in tears when speaking. Not the emotion of a person who MIGHT get bad news (ie relegation) over next week or two, she HAS been told!

Yes she let slip the "alternative" of 14 team SPL for a season then changed it to a "suggestion". Yes she has been told Celtic champions and Hearts relegated because 14 team unworkable - 13 × 4 games or 13x3 games plus split games.

[Phil MaGlass]

On the premise that if there's one thing above all else that motivates football clubs its self interest I'm struggling a wee bit to see how a decision to cancel the league now and relegate Hearts could suit the majority of clubs.

For a start ending the league now and relegating Hamilton would deny them the chance of a play off the rules state they are entitled to ... 11th isn't an automatic relegation place. If you keep Hamilton up that denies clubs with a real chance of promotion from the championship their chance.

St Johnstone are only a point behind Hibs, but have played a game less ... would they see it as fair if Hibs got a bigger share of the prize pot having played a game more?

For Hibs from a financial point of view having Hearts in the league guarantees us a full away end possibly twice a season, which would be replaced by Dundee Utd's 700 or so away support.

Given all that I'm not so sure as many clubs as folk think would be up for ending the season with placings as they stand now. I would have thought the option to promote Dundee Utd and ICT into a 14 team premier league for at least one season would have been the preferred one .. as I say, purely from a financial self interest POV.


Thats a good idea, then the bottom 4 teams can maybe play for relegation at the end of season?
I would love to see hertz goin doon though and huns goin bust or both goin bust.

[Ozyhibby]

On the premise that if there's one thing above all else that motivates football clubs its self interest I'm struggling a wee bit to see how a decision to cancel the league now and relegate Hearts could suit the majority of clubs.

For a start ending the league now and relegating Hamilton would deny them the chance of a play off the rules state they are entitled to ... 11th isn't an automatic relegation place. If you keep Hamilton up that denies clubs with a real chance of promotion from the championship their chance.

St Johnstone are only a point behind Hibs, but have played a game less ... would they see it as fair if Hibs got a bigger share of the prize pot having played a game more?

For Hibs from a financial point of view having Hearts in the league guarantees us a full away end possibly twice a season, which would be replaced by Dundee Utd's 700 or so away support.

Given all that I'm not so sure as many clubs as folk think would be up for ending the season with placings as they stand now. I would have thought the option to promote Dundee Utd and ICT into a 14 team premier league for at least one season would have been the preferred one .. as I say, purely from a financial self interest POV.

Sky don’t want a 14 team league though and the new tv deal starts next season. No club wants to risk that. Also, they want paid now the prize money for this season.


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[foxy]

Yes she let slip the "alternative" of 14 team SPL for a season then changed it to a "suggestion". Yes she has been told Celtic champions and Hearts relegated because 14 team unworkable - 13 × 4 games or 13x3 games plus split games.
A 14 team league is not unworkable though if the split occurred after playing each other twice and then split 7/7. The teams would play 38 games and everybody would be guaranteed 19 home and 19 away games.

13 x 2 = 26
6 x 2 =12

[Bostonhibby]

I thought that too. She knows they're down. All over her face.

As much as I despise that shower and think they deserve every bit off Ill fortune they get plus more, I don't like seeing an old woman clearly in an emotional mess like that.Maybe she's worried Hearts are going to bump her out of her money as well, they have a track record for it, especially pensioners.

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[Ozyhibby]

A 14 team league is not unworkable though if the split occurred after playing each other twice and then split 7/7. The teams would play 38 games and everybody would be guaranteed 19 home and 19 away games.

13 x 2 = 26
6 x 2 =12

The clubs and the tv companies don’t want it though. They don’t want to split the revenue 14 ways. There is likely to be a lot less cat A games for clubs like Hibs if us, Hearts or Aberdeen get caught on the wrong side of the split from each other. Hibs just can’t afford to take the revenue hit. We have little enough money coming in as it is.


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[Alfred E Newman]

That is worldwide not UK

Millions die every day.

[G B Young]

On the premise that if there's one thing above all else that motivates football clubs its self interest I'm struggling a wee bit to see how a decision to cancel the league now and relegate Hearts could suit the majority of clubs.

For a start ending the league now and relegating Hamilton would deny them the chance of a play off the rules state they are entitled to ... 11th isn't an automatic relegation place. If you keep Hamilton up that denies clubs with a real chance of promotion from the championship their chance.

St Johnstone are only a point behind Hibs, but have played a game less ... would they see it as fair if Hibs got a bigger share of the prize pot having played a game more?

For Hibs from a financial point of view having Hearts in the league guarantees us a full away end possibly twice a season, which would be replaced by Dundee Utd's 700 or so away support.

Given all that I'm not so sure as many clubs as folk think would be up for ending the season with placings as they stand now. I would have thought the option to promote Dundee Utd and ICT into a 14 team premier league for at least one season would have been the preferred one .. as I say, purely from a financial self interest POV.

Not so long ago clubs voted for Sevco to start life in the lowest league rather than wave them into the Championship, which was definitely an option on the table, thus denying top flight clubs the income that a visit from Rangers brings for (as it turned out) four years. That indicates that self interest isn't always the priority.

We've also had Rangers, Hibs and Hearts playing outwith the top flight in recent years and the game has survived.

From a TV deal point of view all that really matters to the broadcasters is that Celtic and Rangers are in the top league.

The only club here putting self interest above all else is Hearts. As the global pandemic continues to wreak havoc around the world, their narrow-minded bleating about maybe having to suck up a season in the a lower league is embarrassing. Budge's 'sporting integrity' rationale about there 'still being 24 points to play for' is desperate stuff when talking about club which has amassed a paltry 23 points in 30 games.

[Steven79]

Not so long ago clubs voted for Sevco to start life in the lowest league rather than wave them into the Championship, which was definitely an option on the table, thus denying top flight clubs the income that a visit from Rangers brings for (as it turned out) four years. That indicates that self interest isn't always the priority.

We've also had Rangers, Hibs and Hearts playing outwith the top flight in recent years and the game has survived.

From a TV deal point of view all that really matters to the broadcasters is that Celtic and Rangers are in the top league.

The only club here putting self interest above all else is Hearts. As the global pandemic continues to wreak havoc around the world, their narrow-minded bleating about maybe having to suck up a season in the a lower league is embarrassing. Budge's 'sporting integrity' rationale about there 'still being 24 points to play for' is desperate stuff when talking about club which has amassed a paltry 23 points in 30 games.So the fact that clubs lower down got a slice of the blue pound had nothing to do with their decision?

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[FilipinoHibs]

The clubs and the tv companies don’t want it though. They don’t want to split the revenue 14 ways. There is likely to be a lot less cat A games for clubs like Hibs if us, Hearts or Aberdeen get caught on the wrong side of the split from each other. Hibs just can’t afford to take the revenue hit. We have little enough money coming in as it is.


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Especially, given the tight financial position most clubs will find themselves in given the league being halted now.

Also, the old firm not losing much revenue if Hearts go down and DU go up. For other clubs selling seasons will be easier under current format. DU not much less attractive than Hearts to everybody but us.

[Waxy]

Why should we even waste time talking about reconstructing leagues just for hearts sake at this time.
Just accept it hearts, yous will promote back soon.

[Since452]

Why should we even waste time talking about reconstructing leagues just for hearts sake at this time.
Just accept it hearts, yous will promote back soon.

Exactly. Wasting unnecessary time and energy at a time we should be focusing on other things. Hearts should just accept it.

[Sioux]

On the premise that if there's one thing above all else that motivates football clubs its self interest I'm struggling a wee bit to see how a decision to cancel the league now and relegate Hearts could suit the majority of clubs.

For a start ending the league now and relegating Hamilton would deny them the chance of a play off the rules state they are entitled to ... 11th isn't an automatic relegation place. If you keep Hamilton up that denies clubs with a real chance of promotion from the championship their chance.

St Johnstone are only a point behind Hibs, but have played a game less ... would they see it as fair if Hibs got a bigger share of the prize pot having played a game more?

For Hibs from a financial point of view having Hearts in the league guarantees us a full away end possibly twice a season, which would be replaced by Dundee Utd's 700 or so away support.

Given all that I'm not so sure as many clubs as folk think would be up for ending the season with placings as they stand now. I would have thought the option to promote Dundee Utd and ICT into a 14 team premier league for at least one season would have been the preferred one .. as I say, purely from a financial self interest POV.

Average points per game as of now;

St J - 1.241

Hibs - 1.233

If average points was the final indicator, over 38 games that would give St J 47.15 points, Hibs 46.85. St J would end up above us.

[foxy]

The clubs and the tv companies don’t want it though. They don’t want to split the revenue 14 ways. There is likely to be a lot less cat A games for clubs like Hibs if us, Hearts or Aberdeen get caught on the wrong side of the split from each other. Hibs just can’t afford to take the revenue hit. We have little enough money coming in as it is.


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Sorry I was only pointing out to another poster that a 14 team league could work fixture wise and there could be a season of 38 games. I probably should have added that the clubs wouldn't want to do it because of financial reasons.

[Skol]

The impact of this is going to be extremely far reaching and have a quite staggering economic impact on all of us.

If and when we get back to normality I think we will have stopped this season as it stands and paid out cash based on where teams are. The economy needs to function and we need all the help we can get. The SPL will promote the top 2 and have a 14 team league for a season. We need to find a way to make it work. Which will then go back to 12.

Football dont want to lose a team like Hearts who can help with the circulation of money and given what is happening whether or not we would like Hearts to go down, it doesnt really matter. If we relegate hearts, overall we make things worse

[FilipinoHibs]

The impact of this is going to be extremely far reaching and have a quite staggering economic impact on all of us.

If and when we get back to normality I think we will have stopped this season as it stands and paid out cash based on where teams are. The economy needs to function and we need all the help we can get. The SPL will promote the top 2 and have a 14 team league for a season. We need to find a way to make it work. Which will then go back to 12.

Football dont want to lose a team like Hearts who can help with the circulation of money and given what is happening whether or not we would like Hearts to go down, it doesnt really matter. If we relegate hearts, overall we make things worse

Only a small loss to the SPL - their only significant away support comes to us. But a big boost to championship who probably need more help.

[Hibs4185]

I’ve seen hibs fans a couple if times saying that they don’t want hearts relegated because hibs will loose income. Instead of 3,500 yams, we will only get 700 Dundee Utd fans.

Incredible. A loss of 2800 fans a game. 5600 in total. Approximately £150,000.

We have 14.000 season ticket holders.

I’ll start the ball rolling. When hearts get relegated as they should, I’ll happily pay an extra £11 to hibs to cover the short fall whilst I laugh my arse off at all my family yams and every single one of them.

[Skol]

That assumes everyone had enough spare cash to spend on a non essential activity when in reality any savings will have been accessed and people may not have income.

[The 90+2]

When does budge hand the club over to the flumps? When that happens and she is no longer the owner I can’t see her family being happy her splashing in loads of their inheritance money at a basket case that is about to get relegated just for a vanity project. She’s had her fun, got the legacy of the *****y stand and I would be surprised if she put more of her own money in, loans or not.

[Onion]

Exactly. Wasting unnecessary time and energy at a time we should be focusing on other things. Hearts should just accept it.

Yet again, the only reason this is being discussed and chewed over is because it is Hearts. Had this had been Hamilton, ICT or a Motherwell, it would get no airtime and the decision would be done by now.

It was exactly the same for Rangers in 2012. Any other club - straight into the 2nd div, no questions asked, but Mr Armageddon wet his pants and it took the rest of us to uphold the "integrity" of the game. For Sevco to be crying foul again says everything about that club and for them to attempt to use the I word beggars belief.

Dump Hearts - as they have proved themselves to be easily (pound for pound) the worst team in the league - and let's try to recover from this. This is a bigger problem than 1 club.

[J-C]

If Hibs had been in Hearts position, I can guarantee we'd be looking into any legal issues concerning a league finishing as is with relegation . Yes they are at the bottom of the league but only 4 pts from play off and 6 pts from safety, with 8 games still to play they are well within touching distance to survive, so they do have an argument to null and void the league standings.

[Since452]

I’ve seen hibs fans a couple if times saying that they don’t want hearts relegated because hibs will loose income. Instead of 3,500 yams, we will only get 700 Dundee Utd fans.

Incredible. A loss of 2800 fans a game. 5600 in total. Approximately £150,000.

We have 14.000 season ticket holders.

I’ll start the ball rolling. When hearts get relegated as they should, I’ll happily pay an extra £11 to hibs to cover the short fall whilst I laugh my arse off at all my family yams and every single one of them.

A weak Hearts is only a good thing for Hibs on so many levels. I want them down and to stay down for a considerable period

[The 90+2]

Yet again, the only reason this is being discussed and chewed over is because it is Hearts. Had this had been Hamilton, ICT or a Motherwell, it would get no airtime and the decision would be done by now.

It was exactly the same for Rangers in 2012. Any other club - straight into the 2nd div, no questions asked, but Mr Armageddon wet his pants and it took the rest of us to uphold the "integrity" of the game. For Sevco to be crying foul again says everything about that club and for them to attempt to use the I word beggars belief.

Dump Hearts - as they have proved themselves to be easily (pound for pound) the worst team in the league - and let's try to recover from this. This is a bigger problem than 1 club.

Spot on.

[Not In The Know]

I’ve seen hibs fans a couple if times saying that they don’t want hearts relegated because hibs will loose income. Instead of 3,500 yams, we will only get 700 Dundee Utd fans.

Incredible. A loss of 2800 fans a game. 5600 in total. Approximately £150,000.

We have 14.000 season ticket holders.

I’ll start the ball rolling. When hearts get relegated as they should, I’ll happily pay an extra £11 to hibs to cover the short fall whilst I laugh my arse off at all my family yams and every single one of them.


Hearts being back to their overspendin incompetent ways has got them in the mess. They can do one and relegation will **** them. We might lose £150k but they certainly won't be fighting it out for semis and the europa league where we will easily earn more than the missing gate receipts.

Not to mention they are in the same market for new players as us so weakening them again is even better!

[The 90+2]

A weak Hearts is only a good thing for Hibs on so many levels. I want them down and to stay down for a considerable period

A weak hearts is fantastic for Hibernian apart from an away support once or twice a season.

Turn it around the other way, do you think when they won the championship at a canter and this happened then before it was official that Budge would be coming out saying Dundee Utd should stay up hearts stay in the championship because 38 games haven’t been completed?

[Springbank]

So the fact that clubs lower down got a slice of the blue pound had nothing to do with their decision?

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The clubs that took the blue pound included Brechin (currently about to be relegated out the leagues) and Cowdenbeath (who nearly went the same way)

The blue pound didn't do much for these guys

Similarly, I have no sympathy for Hearts.

They must be relegated on account of having hardly won a game since September 2018, and being 4 points adrift when the music stopped.

They need to go down, so that all clubs can receive the sponsors' money due, as the season has finished (not null and void, but finished)

[Onion]

I’ve seen hibs fans a couple if times saying that they don’t want hearts relegated because hibs will loose income. Instead of 3,500 yams, we will only get 700 Dundee Utd fans.

Incredible. A loss of 2800 fans a game. 5600 in total. Approximately £150,000.

We have 14.000 season ticket holders.

I’ll start the ball rolling. When hearts get relegated as they should, I’ll happily pay an extra £11 to hibs to cover the short fall whilst I laugh my arse off at all my family yams and every single one of them.

And the panic among Yams is nothing to do with the lost revenue. It's that their team can only get it up for Hibs and Rangers. They could be down there for years.

[Since452]

The clubs that took the blue pound included Brechin (currently about to be relegated out the leagues) and Cowdenbeath (who nearly went the same way)

The blue pound didn't do much for these guys

Similarly, I have no sympathy for Hearts.

They must be relegated on account of having hardly won a game since September 2018, and being 4 points adrift when the music stopped.

They need to go down, so that all clubs can receive the sponsors' money due, as the season has finished (not null and void, but finished)

Exactly. Hearts need to take one on the chin for the greater good of Scottish football. Sucks for them but they are the worst team and deserve to go down if that's the season done.

[mjhibby]

If Hibs had been in Hearts position, I can guarantee we'd be looking into any legal issues concerning a league finishing as is with relegation . Yes they are at the bottom of the league but only 4 pts from play off and 6 pts from safety, with 8 games still to play they are well within touching distance to survive, so they do have an argument to null and void the league standings.

Four points behind but have livi,Aberdeen,Ross co and Hamilton away in those 8 games. They gained precisely 1 point from these previous fixtures. They have Ross county,st mirren kille and stjohnsone at home. They won 3 points in the first set of fixtures. On all balance of probability they would have been relegated as their defeat to st mirren showed. Four teams were going to be relegated. In just saying it shouldn't happen doesn't change that fact.

[mjhibby]

Apparently when Yugoslavia imploded the league finished as the positions stood. If they go by that precedent there's no discussion. Btw Hertz can't sue anybody. As they come under uefa and sfa rules they would be suing themselves. Not the same as owing themselves £40m.😂

[Onion]

If Hibs had been in Hearts position, I can guarantee we'd be looking into any legal issues concerning a league finishing as is with relegation . Yes they are at the bottom of the league but only 4 pts from play off and 6 pts from safety, with 8 games still to play they are well within touching distance to survive, so they do have an argument to null and void the league standings.

Null and voiding season to save Hearts would be armageddon ...

.... how to allocate league funds, allocate Euro placings, clubs entitled to recover win bonuses from players (as there were no wins), January transfers voided (poor Flo's life-long dream would remain just that), Doidge would be crap again, Hecky back at the wheel, Levein would get his old job back, P45 derbies again, we'd have to wait another 8 months for Ron's 5 year plan.... and the rest :greengrin