The generic Hearts thread

[cocteautwin]

Surprised they're not going nuts. They've paid for the club but ownership hasn't been handed over for some reason.

I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole either

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[James70]

Anyone would think that it is only Hearts that are affected by the virus, not a day goes by but they are in the headlines for one reason or another. They must not be allowed to escape relegation because of the current situation. No other club in the country is having such a meltdown. All their troubles are self inflicted.

[Brightside]

That’s very weird.

Are you aware you are chatting to yourself

[cocteautwin]

Are you aware you are chatting to yourself

Yes

[Iggy Pope]

Probably not the time for it but if the young fellah Andy Irving became available I’d like to think Hibs were interested. Local lad, albeit a Hertz ****, but likeable and has a bit of ability. Creative sort, left peg is a square peg with that lot.

[04Sauzee]

Are you aware you are chatting to yourself

That's the second sign of madness.
The first sign of Madness is Suggs coming up your driveway 😁

[bingo70]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-tells-hearts-use-his-wages-pay-other-staff-german-free-leave-if-club-relegated-2502930

Am I reading that right?

Stendel wants his wages to be used to top up the wages of the players he brought to the Club

His representative, Timo Rodewald, told the Evening News: “Daniel spoke to Ann and said he is happy for his salary to be used to pay other people. Some of the guys he has brought in have had to take wage cuts to be with him in Edinburgh, so Daniel wants to look after them. He wants to make sure they don’t take as big a cut.

[jacomo]

Boyce on £6k a week, more than Aberdeen and others could afford. Turns out Hearts could not afford it either.

Here we go again... same old CHEATS.

[jacomo]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-tells-hearts-use-his-wages-pay-other-staff-german-free-leave-if-club-relegated-2502930

Am I reading that right?

Stendel wants his wages to be used to top up the wages of the players he brought to the Club

His representative, Timo Rodewald, told the Evening News: “Daniel spoke to Ann and said he is happy for his salary to be used to pay other people. Some of the guys he has brought in have had to take wage cuts to be with him in Edinburgh, so Daniel wants to look after them. He wants to make sure they don’t take as big a cut.


I am assuming Stendel is referring to his management team.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-tells-hearts-use-his-wages-pay-other-staff-german-free-leave-if-club-relegated-2502930

Am I reading that right?

Stendel wants his wages to be used to top up the wages of the players he brought to the Club

His representative, Timo Rodewald, told the Evening News: “Daniel spoke to Ann and said he is happy for his salary to be used to pay other people. Some of the guys he has brought in have had to take wage cuts to be with him in Edinburgh, so Daniel wants to look after them. He wants to make sure they don’t take as big a cut.

What it says to me is he has no intention of working another day at that club.

[hibees 7062]

That’s very weird.
Not really when it’s them

[Ozyhibby]

What it says to me is he has no intention of working another day at that club.

That’s very clear.


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[cocteautwin]

What it says to me is he has no intention of working another day at that club.

If all goes well over the next few weeks there might be quite a few others who won’t be working another day at that club. 100% of them.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-tells-hearts-use-his-wages-pay-other-staff-german-free-leave-if-club-relegated-2502930

Am I reading that right?

Stendel wants his wages to be used to top up the wages of the players he brought to the Club

His representative, Timo Rodewald, told the Evening News: “Daniel spoke to Ann and said he is happy for his salary to be used to pay other people. Some of the guys he has brought in have had to take wage cuts to be with him in Edinburgh, so Daniel wants to look after them. He wants to make sure they don’t take as big a cut.

I thought that meant back room

[Liberal Hibby]

They won't be relegated this season if relegation is suspended.

In the unlikely event of relegation being suspended and they went into adminstration they would still face a 15 point deduction next. I think they know they're goosed next season - and might as well as start the closed season clear out sooner rather than later...

[jacomo]

Anyone else looking forward to a rearranged semi final against a team that has been relegated and most of their squad has walked due to non-payment of wages?

[Liberal Hibby]

What it says to me is he has no intention of working another day at that club.

Is he still being paid by Barnsley?

[bingo70]

I thought that meant back room

Fair point.

Still think it’s strange to try and look after some people and not others.

[Joe6-2]

Anyone else looking forward to a rearranged semi final against a team that has been relegated and most of their squad has walked due to non-payment of wages?

I still wouldn’t be confident
😬

[Col2]

I still wouldn’t be confident
😬

What could possibly go wrong? 🙄

[brog]

Probably not the time for it but if the young fellah Andy Irving became available I’d like to think Hibs were interested. Local lad, albeit a Hertz ****, but likeable and has a bit of ability. Creative sort, left peg is a square peg with that lot.

Ive always liked Callum Morrison & he could be available regardless.

[Frankhfc]

Anyone would think that it is only Hearts that are affected by the virus, not a day goes by but they are in the headlines for one reason or another. They must not be allowed to escape relegation because of the current situation. No other club in the country is having such a meltdown. All their troubles are self inflicted.

To be fair its been an excellent strategy to adopt. Budge is no machiavelli and its likely been communications expert David Southern and others who've guided the club on this. They've succeeded so far firstly by very quickly claiming poverty which has developed into buying sympathy, appearing focused with leadership shown lapped up by most of the media and their fans and secondly relegation could be deemed as a cruel unedifying act if it happens that could galvanise their support in the form of adversity against the big bad SPFL that relegated them despite their now very highly publicised alleged financial woes.

Its looking more unlikely as every day passes that they're going to be relegated. It could be that the league positions stand with Celtic champions but no relegation or that reconstruction is given the green light instead.

Jammy sods.

[dar]

How much of a say will Sky Sports have. If we get the league expanded would that not mean you would only play each other once home and away. Would have thought they would want the 4 Old Firm matches.

[KingPat4]

What could possibly go wrong? 🙄


I would not bet on us beating eleven traffic cones draped in Hearts jerseys.

[Deansy]

Anyone would think that it is only Hearts that are affected by the virus, not a day goes by but they are in the headlines for one reason or another. They must not be allowed to escape relegation because of the current situation. No other club in the country is having such a meltdown. All their troubles are self inflicted.

Agreed - Hearts and their 'Govan Bros' very public gnashing of the teeth, wailing and greeting that everything's 'not fair on us' is pitiful and mega cringe !. The Hun just don't want Septic to get one step closer to 10iar and the Jambos, once AGAIN - over-extended with money that they don't have are using the coronavirus to try and escape what they richly deserve !. WHY isn't our esteemed 'media'reporting on things as they truly are ??

[Seveno]

To be fair its been an excellent strategy to adopt. Budge is no machiavelli and its likely been communications expert David Southern and others who've guided the club on this. They've succeeded so far firstly by very quickly claiming poverty which has developed into buying sympathy, appearing focused with leadership shown lapped up by most of the media and their fans and secondly relegation could be deemed as a cruel unedifying act if it happens that could galvanise their support in the form of adversity against the big bad SPFL that relegatated them despite their alleged poverty.

Its looking more unlikely as every day passes that they're not going to be relegated. It could be that the league positions stand with Celtic champions but no relegation or reconstruction.

Jammy sods.

So what about Dundee United. Surely they would have to get promoted and therefore relegation or reconstruction has to take place.

[CloudSquall]

Weren't the media not ripping the top off it at the beginning of Queen Anne's reign about how well managed Hearts were under her highness and they were now the face of responsible finances?

[jeffers]

Weren't the media not ripping the top off it at the beginning of Queen Anne's reign about how well managed Hearts were under her highness and they were now the face of responsible finances?

They were and you've got to question why when you look at awful job she's done. The absolute shambles of their stand should have had questions being asked never mind the football side of things, but barely a peep is heard. It's unbelievable, if that was us I've no doubt we'd hear much more about it.

[Keith_M]

Anyone else looking forward to a rearranged semi final against a team that has been relegated and most of their squad has walked due to non-payment of wages?


HC told me that Hearts would most likely still win.


;-)

[Kato]

Weren't the media not ripping the top off it at the beginning of Queen Anne's reign about how well managed Hearts were under her highness and they were now the face of responsible finances?They created that particular narrative before she had even warmed her office chair at Tiny.

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[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188132-tam-mcmanus/#comments

"We've not been living out with our mean though have we ya wee prick? We can afford the wages if the business is able to trade as normal.



How the **** does that paper allow such nonsense to be printed?"

[percy veer]

Anyone else looking forward to a rearranged semi final against a team that has been relegated and most of their squad has walked due to non-payment of wages?

nope, you did watch the last derby?

[007]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188132-tam-mcmanus/#comments

"We've not been living out with our mean though have we ya wee prick? We can afford the wages if the business is able to trade as normal.

How the **** does that paper allow such nonsense to be printed?"

"I would tell Hearts to **** off"

That applies at any time in any situation.

[Joe6-2]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188132-tam-mcmanus/#comments

"We've not been living out with our mean though have we ya wee prick? We can afford the wages if the business is able to trade as normal.



How the **** does that paper allow such nonsense to be printed?"

What a bunch of thick ignoramuses they really are

[grunt]

Cheaper to re-enter admin, cry a bit, pick up the bones for a song and hey presto start again.

Debt all gone.

Re set the narrative back to "brave club battles back from the dead" and soak up the plaudits for "saving the club".
I don't have any insight into their problems, but I'd expect that they're suffering from a lack of cashflow at the moment rather than an unmanageable debt burden.

[jeffers]

Are none of them questioning why the loss of income from a semi they surely can't have been banking on has caused them issues so quickly ?

[007]

Wonder if Budge is going to now backtrack in light of the government's package of aid for employers/employees. Something like pledging to pay up to 80% of salaries up to a max of £2.5k per month backdated to 1st March. Would make a difference re the back office staff.

[Hibs4185]

Wonder if Budge is going to now backtrack in light of the government's package of aid for employers/employees.

Only up to £2500 per month

[007]

Only up to £2500 per month

Yeah, just edited my post to say would make a difference re the back office staff.

[Jones28]

The very best case scenario for hearts retrospectively is that they didn’t budget to have to spend their way out of relegation, hence the big hole in their finances.

Anything other than this and they have, at best, been living dangerously. At worst they’ve been either grossly incompetent or grossly negligent.

[SquashedFrogg]

nope, you did watch the last derby?

Did you watch the one before that?

[007]

KiwiD's a hoot! The Dunkirk spirit for a German! Love it!!

Imbecile. Him, not you. 😀

[AltheHibby]

Only up to £2500 per month

Good that it will help those in most need.

I cannot stand Boris, but against my better judgement he is impressing me.

Back on topic, good luck to the Hertz admin staff. Still hope they get relegated.

[Hibs4185]

Hearts don’t have any external debt similar to ourselves. Admin would only really allow them to clear some players out. Budge has a loan for £1.9 million outstanding and her brother £750k supposedly.

Budge maybe hasn’t transferred the shares because if FOH was running the club and went into admin to then it would be her and her brother getting shafted.

That’s why I think she is holding back on the transfer and keeping her position. Being the decision maker rather than the fans or FOH, ensure’s hearts survive in order to get her cash back.

[Ozyhibby]

Today has been a great day for Budge. The vast majority of her non playing wage bill will now be picked up if she lays them off.


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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Remarkable that the media is fawning all over these cheats! Not one of them have the balls to ask the real questions, must be some kind of Masonic love in

[Aldo]

So live outwith your means, tell staff to take a 50% pay cut or bolt, put staff on unpaid leave yet..... the poppy thieves once again cone out smelling of roses.

For the love of my why do folk think she’s great. Basket case of a club and out didn’t what they’ve made yet she’s seen as some dirt of messiah!


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[Geo_1875]

She'll be fuming she didn't backdate the pay cut to March 1st now.

[CockneyRebel]

So what about Dundee United. Surely they would have to get promoted and therefore relegation or reconstruction has to take place.



Yeah, surely Celtic couldn't be crowned SPL league winners without Dundee United getting crowned Championship league winners?

[brog]

Imbecile. Him, not you. 😀

Thanks!!😁

[Ozyhibby]

She'll be fuming she didn't backdate the pay cut to March 1st now.

She’ll be fuming she embarrassed them by jumping the gun when the govt is now going to pay 80% of their salaries anyway if she is laying them off. Of course if she wants them to keep working then she has to pay 100% of their salary.


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[Billy Whizz]

She’ll be fuming she embarrassed them by jumping the gun when the govt is now going to pay 80% of their salaries anyway if she is laying them off. Of course if she wants them to keep working then she has to pay 100% of their salary.


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If only her players on £6 per week had taken a small reduction...

[brog]

Good that it will help those in most need.

I cannot stand Boris, but against my better judgement he is impressing me.

Back on topic, good luck to the Hertz admin staff. Still hope they get relegated.

Are you serious about Johnson? He didn't take the drastic steps necessary until today. Advice is never going to cut it. Football/rugby stadia were shut down by their own governing bodies, not by the govt. One week ago today, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was run. In 4 days 250k people went racing, drank & dined in crowded bars & restaurants. Last Wednesday 4,000 fans travelled from the worst hot spot capital in Europe to Liverpool without restriction. For nearly 2 months our strategy was completely the opposite of every other nation. As a result we're now weeks behind in tackling this awful situation. He's an incompetent charlatan, who's completely out his depth & people will die unnecessarily because of his failings. All IMO of course but the comments above are all facts. Other than that I agree he's doing a good job! 😂

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188132-tam-mcmanus/#comments

"We've not been living out with our mean though have we ya wee prick? We can afford the wages if the business is able to trade as normal.



How the **** does that paper allow such nonsense to be printed?"

I'll hazard a guess that the brighter part of Edinburgh stopped buying it decades ago so they have to print what the Duncans need to hear or they cease to exist like their team?

Just a guess on my part.

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[Kato]

Are you serious about Johnson? He didn't take the drastic steps necessary until today. Advice is never going to cut it. Football/rugby stadia were shut down by their own governing bodies, not by the govt. One week ago today, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was run. In 4 days 250k people went racing, drank & dined in crowded bars & restaurants. Last Wednesday 4,000 fans travelled from the worst hot spot capital in Europe to Liverpool without restriction. For nearly 2 months our strategy was completely the opposite of every other nation. As a result we're now weeks behind in tackling this awful situation. He's an incompetent charlatan, who's completely out his depth & people will die unnecessarily because of his failings. All IMO of course but the comments above are all facts. Other than that I agree he's doing a good job! [emoji23]I'm looking for something wrong in this post and failing miserably.

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[munchar]

What a bunch of thick ignoramuses they really are

Clicked the link. I know they’re a strange bitter bunch, but even by their reprobate lowlife standards, I’m amazed not one of them can see how critical the mismanagement has become. They’re spending cash like it’s Monopoly money, but in the fans eyes, they’re living within their means! Unbelievable. Blaming the lost revenue from semi final. How can you budget for a cup run?
Some fans on hear feeling sorry for them to. While i sympathise with the staff being given the pay cut or get sacked ultimatum, the blame lies solely with the gross mismanagement of the board. 100%. Shameful excuse for a football club. I’d be mortified if we acted the same way. There lies the difference between a bitter twisted club, & a proud, well run community club. Proud to be a Hibby!

[chrisski33]

Good that it will help those in most need.

I cannot stand Boris, but against my better judgement he is impressing me.

Back on topic, good luck to the Hertz admin staff. Still hope they get relegated.
He has no option to do this. Labour would have to do it anyway. We will get shafted afterwards but at least jobs are safe but feel for those who have lost them already

[AltheHibby]

He has no option to do this. Labour would have to do it anyway. We will get shafted afterwards but at least jobs are safe but feel for those who have lost them already

The whole thing is sad. The Government were slow, but at least they've got us moving now.

Here's hoping we can get back to some sort of normality soon.

[jacomo]

Today has been a great day for Budge. The vast majority of her non playing wage bill will now be picked up if she lays them off.


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Yet more evidence she is clueless and out of her depth.

Most businesses were waiting on the government’s announcement before making any decisions re: staffing.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

I'm looking for something wrong in this post and failing miserably.

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Yeah, if only Jeremy was calling the shots now.

[Kato]

Yeah, if only Jeremy was calling the shots now.Didn't support him either bud, but carry on with the sarcasm if it makes you happy. BJ will carry on with his cack-handed bluster changing tactics with the wind. He could always wave his magic flags and give us all a giggle, that'll beat the virus.

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[jacomo]

Yeah, if only Jeremy was calling the shots now.


In economic terms at least, this government has turned socialist.

[Bostonhibby]

Are you serious about Johnson? He didn't take the drastic steps necessary until today. Advice is never going to cut it. Football/rugby stadia were shut down by their own governing bodies, not by the govt. One week ago today, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was run. In 4 days 250k people went racing, drank & dined in crowded bars & restaurants. Last Wednesday 4,000 fans travelled from the worst hot spot capital in Europe to Liverpool without restriction. For nearly 2 months our strategy was completely the opposite of every other nation. As a result we're now weeks behind in tackling this awful situation. He's an incompetent charlatan, who's completely out his depth & people will die unnecessarily because of his failings. All IMO of course but the comments above are all facts. Other than that I agree he's doing a good job! [emoji23]Agree every word.

The die was cast when Cheltenham went ahead, it's all been talk and presentation with very little substance since.

Until Bozo paints it on the side of a bus I won't believe a word he says[emoji6]

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[Kato]

Agree every word.

The die was cast when Cheltenham went ahead, it's all been talk and presentation with very little substance since.

Until Bozo paints it on the side of a bus I won't believe a word he says[emoji6]

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkThe two weeks hesitation in arranging a shut-down, remember he wanted CV to 'sweep through the populace', will turn out to be a huge mistake.

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[Bostonhibby]

The two weeks hesitation in arranging a shut-down, remember he wanted CV to 'sweep through the populace', will turn out to be a huge mistake.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkOnly if enough folk remember, when it's over he will unashamedly launch another three word slogan about his triumph over the virus and the nation will rejoice like when Brexit got done[emoji6]

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[The Count]

Not a fan of Boris or Nicola but do you really believe they are making these decisions themselves? They are not they are relying on the scientists and health experts.You dont think Churchill made all the decisions during WW2 without advice from the armed services.There is no easy answer and we should all ease off our political bias until this awful virus is beaten.Then by all means get stuck into the awful Conservative parties views.

[007]

Hearts are f*****g sh¡te.

[brog]

Not a fan of Boris or Nicola but do you really believe they are making these decisions themselves? They are not they are relying on the scientists and health experts.You dont think Churchill made all the decisions during WW2 without advice from the armed services.There is no easy answer and we should all ease off our political bias until this awful virus is beaten.Then by all means get stuck into the awful Conservative parties views.

Its not political bias, its facts. Can anyone answer why the UK went in a completely different direction from every other nation & have now completely changed tack? Why did we get it so wrong?

[The Count]

Hearts are f*****g sh¡te.

Well done we are back on topic and away from politics !!!

[G B Young]

Good that it will help those in most need.

I cannot stand Boris, but against my better judgement he is impressing me.

Back on topic, good luck to the Hertz admin staff. Still hope they get relegated.

Yes he's stepped up to the plate well. Sturgeon too. Both have clearly been well advised and it's heartening to see how aligned they are at this time of crisis. Sunak was especially impressive today considering he was only handed the job a few weeks ago. I wouldn't have wanted May in charge at this time or, perish the thought, Corbyn (who I still spot popping up occasionally trying to make political mileage out of this). And Americans must just be praying Trump has some astute medical advisors because he is clearly way out of his depth.

Truth is, the world is trying to learn as we go with this nightmare and nobody knows for sure what's best. I have a cousin working in Cairo who says Egypt is essentially pretending none of this is happening and simply allowing the virus to do its worst. Terrifying.

As you say though, back on topic, and there is a degree of amusement that Budge may have blundered yet again here.

[Bostonhibby]

Not a fan of Boris or Nicola but do you really believe they are making these decisions themselves? They are not they are relying on the scientists and health experts.You dont think Churchill made all the decisions during WW2 without advice from the armed services.There is no easy answer and we should all ease off our political bias until this awful virus is beaten.Then by all means get stuck into the awful Conservative parties views.Think I'm intelligent enough to have worked the distinction out.

In this particular crisis I do agree and feel an empowered scientific and Health care led initiative with the politicians and their personal spin and rhetoric kept as far away as possible would have seen a better outcome than we're currently enduring.

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[G B Young]

Its not political bias, its facts. Can anyone answer why the UK went in a completely different direction from every other nation & have now completely changed tack? Why did we get it so wrong?

Every other nation? Really? I'm impressed if you know how every country on the planet has reacted to this.

[StevesFamau5]

In other news..... Looks like Channel 4 have bought the rights to the Hearts documentary and renamed it..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/c1466ec74c7c86d7aada225dcaa37455.jpg

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[FilipinoHibs]

The government in the UK relied on behavioural psychology while the rest of the world were guided by epidemic disease science. BJ and co were widely criticised by the scientific and medical community. We are back in line now.

Back on topic. HEARTS ARE TOAST.

[Joe6-2]

The government in the UK relied on behavioural psychology while the rest of the world were guided by epidemic disease science. BJ and co were widely criticised by the scientific and medical community. We are back in line now.

Back on topic. HEARTS ARE TOAST.

I really hope they are!

[Deansy]

The government in the UK relied on behavioural psychology while the rest of the world were guided by epidemic disease science. BJ and co were widely criticised by the scientific and medical community. We are back in line now.

Back on topic. HEARTS ARE TOAST.


I really hope they are because they're leaving no stone un-turned (Ok, it's easier as most of their fans live under them anyway !!) in their efforts to get the media on their side about how unfair it would be if they're relegated !. Absolutely nauseating how they've used 'Coronavirus' to try and weasel their way out of relegation - truly a club for **** and run by **** !!

[kaimendhibs]

If this causes a problem with copyright etc please let me know:



Queen and her Aberdeen castle can’t cope in perfect storm

There was a time, not so long ago, when Ann Budge could do no wrong. The Queen of Hearts extricated the club from administration, moved them in an exciting new direction with a new moral compass and oversaw an expansion of Tynecastle Park that was supposed to maximise their potential.

Well, the new main stand is reported to have cost £9million more than originally promised, Hearts are in the throes of another financial crisis and, while the shirt sponsor says Save the Children, this week’s call for all staff, including players, to take a 50 per cent wage cut suggests that it is the club who need saving.

What a spectacular unravelling it has been for Budge and Hearts in the space of 18 excruciating months. In the early part of last season, they were top of the league and into the semi-finals of the Betfred Cup, but the bottom was to fall out of a club that relied much too heavily on their manager, and director of football, Craig Levein.

Despite successive transfer windows in which he presided over a blur of expensive players coming and going, he had a team that was neither effective nor fun to watch and, when Budge relieved him of his duties in October, Hearts were bottom of the league and unable to arrest the decline.

Nobody quibbled with the level of investment, but then again, nobody expected Hearts to find themselves in a relegation battle. Add to that a new head coach, Daniel Stendel, whose tactics were ill-suited to a survival scrap, as well as a vacuum in the football department that Levein controlled, and a perfect storm was brewing.

When coronavirus came along, Hearts were the footballing equivalent of society’s most vulnerable — victims with an underlying health problem.

Budge has got a lot right, especially the club’s social ethos, but her ignorance of football matters left them playing catch-up. And there is no room for that when the game is crippled by a global health crisis.

The measures that were announced on Wednesday were desperate. PFA Scotland yesterday met with players to discuss the way ahead. Legal opinion suggested that Hearts were within their rights because of the language used in the statement. They only “proposed” the club-wide salary reduction. If staff were unwilling or unable to accept, they would be “offered” a termination of their deal.

If there is a clause in their contracts, entitling Hearts to suspend pay — and that theory was also doing the rounds last night — it is a kick in the teeth for players, especially those who were lured to Tynecastle on the promise of a lucrative package.

Steven Naismith, previously with Norwich City, signed a four-year deal last summer that was likely to be the last of his career. Liam Boyce agreed a three-year contract in January that is reported to be worth £6,000 a week, more than Aberdeen and numerous others could afford.

As it turns out, Hearts could not afford it either.


Budge claimed that the suspension of the season was going to cost them £1million, but much of that was due to come from a Scottish Cup semi-final against Hibs that they would not have budgeted for. The SFA promised this week that its flagship competition would be completed later this year.

While there was no official reaction from the players yesterday, some of their fellow professionals were angry. Tam McManus, the former Hibs striker, tweeted: “Seems a convenient way to dump some ‘excess baggage’ ie a HUGE wage bill run up by a succession of managers. This just doesn’t sit well with me at all.

“I would tell the club to f*** off. I have done so in the past when asked to take a 50 per cent wage cut. You sign a contract you honour it or pay it off in full.

“My loyalty is to myself/family. No loyalty whatsoever in football. Clubs treat players like s***e when not wanted.”

With so much uncertainty as to how or whether the Premiership season will be completed, the odds are against Hearts avoiding the drop, and their willingness to let players go suggests that they know it.

Bryan Jackson, who led the administration process in 2013, believes that Budge has moved quickly to prevent another one.

“Ann is looking at the situation, thinking, ‘we’ve already missed games and we don’t know when the picture will change’,” said Jackson. “ ‘It could be two weeks, two months or even longer — so we need to do something right now’. To me, that does seem to be the right thing to do. To wait too long and not do anything could be more dangerous for the sustainability of the club.”

Try telling that to the players. Try telling that to the academy coaches and backroom staff whose halved salary leaves them struggling to pay their bills.

It will be a hard sell also for the anonymous benefactors whose donations of up to £9million kept the club on an even keel for so long. And do not expect the supporters who have already donated a similar figure in the past five years to be quite so enthusiastic about digging deep yet again.

All of which will be embarrassing for Budge, who was hailed as the relegated club’s saviour in 2014 when she stepped in to repair the damage done by her reckless predecessor, Vladimir Romanov.

It would be stretching a point to suggest that Hearts are back where they started, but this was not how it was meant to be when she outlined her vision for the club.[emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

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[JOD]

TBH Hearts relegation is the least of our human worries at the moment.

I have many Jambo friends who when i left tonight in the pub said cheerio and aw the best.

Their health was more important to me than their relegation.

For the moment.

[vuefrom1875]

In economic terms at least, this government has turned socialist.

Oh dear Boris a socialist...stop it Gadgie 🤣

[vuefrom1875]

Yes he's stepped up to the plate well. Sturgeon too. Both have clearly been well advised and it's heartening to see how aligned they are at this time of crisis. Sunak was especially impressive today considering he was only handed the job a few weeks ago. I wouldn't have wanted May in charge at this time or, perish the thought, Corbyn (who I still spot popping up occasionally trying to make political mileage out of this). And Americans must just be praying Trump has some astute medical advisors because he is clearly way out of his depth.

Truth is, the world is trying to learn as we go with this nightmare and nobody knows for sure what's best. I have a cousin working in Cairo who says Egypt is essentially pretending none of this is happening and simply allowing the virus to do its worst. Terrifying.

As you say though, back on topic, and there is a degree of amusement that Budge may have blundered yet again here.
Stepped up to the plate Boris and Krankie...have a word son.

[vuefrom1875]

TBH Hearts relegation is the least of our human worries at the moment.

I have many Jambo friends who when i left tonight in the pub said cheerio and aw the best.

Their health was more important to me than their relegation.

For the moment.
Nae tramps MATES😶

[cocteautwin]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/craig-levein-austin-macphee-take-21728537

They're still there! :faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

Just call the Administrators in now Budge. When's the next VAT bill due to be paid? May 7th?

[FilipinoHibs]

Herald putting the boot in now:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18323430.clubs-must-not-tempted-put-self-interest-others-time-crisis/?ref=appshr

[Joe6-2]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/craig-levein-austin-macphee-take-21728537

They're still there! :faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

Just call the Administrators in now Budge. When's the next VAT bill due to be paid? May 7th?

Hated clicking on the link, but worth it!
It’s just beyond belief those two are still there!!!

[HibbySpurs]

Come on Hibs.net to get away from chat about CV guys. Let’s not turn the threads into huge political debates regarding gas Boris got it right or wrong or if you hate the tories or hate the SNP.

There are other forums for that and if I want poorly thought out political debate I’ll spend my time on Facebook!

Anyway, are Hears bust yet?

[HibbySpurs]

Come on Hibs.net to get away from chat about CV guys. Let’s not turn the threads into huge political debates regarding gas Boris got it right or wrong or if you hate the tories or hate the SNP.

There are other forums for that and if I want poorly thought out political debate I’ll spend my time on Facebook!

Anyway, are H bust yet?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Hearts lead to be followed by 12 clubs as SFA and SPFL brace for further coronavirus fallout
Hearts have already decided to offer wage cuts and a further 12 clubs could do the same.

Can't actually understand how the record are trying to make them out to be trailblazers!?!!

[Springbank]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

[G B Young]

Agree every word.

The die was cast when Cheltenham went ahead, it's all been talk and presentation with very little substance since.

Until Bozo paints it on the side of a bus I won't believe a word he says[emoji6]

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Horse racing is still going in Ireland.

[matty_f]

In other news..... Looks like Channel 4 have bought the rights to the Hearts documentary and renamed it..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/c1466ec74c7c86d7aada225dcaa37455.jpg

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Under-appreciated post, imho. :faf:

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/craig-levein-austin-macphee-take-21728537

They're still there! :faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

Just call the Administrators in now Budge. When's the next VAT bill due to be paid? May 7th?

Was announced yesterday that everyone's getting a 3 month tax holiday.

MacPhee and Levein were sharing the Sporting Director role so that's them getting half a salary each for doing half a job each, so still effectively on full pay for the amount they're doing. Before, they were effectively on double time.

[Bostonhibby]

Horse racing is still going in Ireland.They must have decided to take a risk for one sport or occasion that could result in others who have no interest in it being exposed. Makes no sense but gives them the dubious honour of having something in common with the UK's initial "strategy".

I like my horse racing but won't be heading over[emoji16]

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[snedzuk]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729

[brog]

Every other nation? Really? I'm impressed if you know how every country on the planet has reacted to this.

Well, just tell me 1 that went along with our behavioral based approach.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/craig-levein-austin-macphee-take-21728537

They're still there! :faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

Just call the Administrators in now Budge. When's the next VAT bill due to be paid? May 7th?

VAT got cancelled yesterday. Next one not till June.


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[Bostonhibby]

In other news..... Looks like Channel 4 have bought the rights to the Hearts documentary and renamed it..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/c1466ec74c7c86d7aada225dcaa37455.jpg

Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk[emoji23] Fair cheered me up, featuring 400,000 bit part actors in the football equivalent of the stepford wives.

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[MrSmith]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

Spot on mate :thumbsup:

[MrSmith]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729

You need to read the exact facts on this. You'll find in-fact, that Scotland has stood still in the rankings at position 13. Not bad a for tiny small country though eh!

The actual figures go onto show that if the UK was split into country rankings, England would be way below the Scottish ranking.

[JimBHibees]

They must have decided to take a risk for one sport or occasion that could result in others who have no interest in it being exposed. Makes no sense but gives them the dubious honour of having something in common with the UK's initial "strategy".

I like my horse racing but won't be heading over[emoji16]

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It's behind closed doors. :greengrin

[Brightside]

Horse racing is still going in Ireland.

Behind closed doors. They should have done the same on the mainland too.

[jacomo]

Billy Brown has been places and done hings and he’s really not happy at all:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ex-hearts-coach-blames-player-recruitment-absolutely-calamity-tynecastle-2503975

[chrisski33]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

Our education system isnt the best and the snp arent doing as good a job with it as some would want us to believe.

[Bostonhibby]

It's behind closed doors. :greengrinSo no people involved then, always wondered what the horses would get up to if left to their own devices[emoji16]

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[Hiber-nation]

Billy Brown has been places and done hings and he’s really not happy at all:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ex-hearts-coach-blames-player-recruitment-absolutely-calamity-tynecastle-2503975

Aye he was telling me all that the other day, not a happy man!

Kris Boyd having a go at them as well (yes I know its the Sun but worth a look to see them getting slaughtered) https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5409955/hearts-pay-kris-boyd/

[TrinityHibs]

Are you serious about Johnson? He didn't take the drastic steps necessary until today. Advice is never going to cut it. Football/rugby stadia were shut down by their own governing bodies, not by the govt. One week ago today, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was run. In 4 days 250k people went racing, drank & dined in crowded bars & restaurants. Last Wednesday 4,000 fans travelled from the worst hot spot capital in Europe to Liverpool without restriction. For nearly 2 months our strategy was completely the opposite of every other nation. As a result we're now weeks behind in tackling this awful situation. He's an incompetent charlatan, who's completely out his depth & people will die unnecessarily because of his failings. All IMO of course but the comments above are all facts. Other than that I agree he's doing a good job! 😂

If you like facts you should check worldometers.info. It records cases and deaths for all countries around the world. I accept that the figures cannot be accurate but it gives an indication of what is happening. Of the countries that are able to be analysed the UK has the 10th highest number of cases and 7th highest number of deaths. However if you look at the number of cases/1m population the UK is one of the best performing countries. I suspect being an island has helped. For what its worth I don't think he has done a lot wrong to date and that applies to all the leaders of the devolved governments as well.

[WhileTheChief..]

Good to see more in the media calling it...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18323430.clubs-must-not-tempted-put-self-interest-others-time-crisis/ (https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18323430.clubs-must-not-tempted-put-self-interest-others-time-crisis/)

[Tomsk]

Billy Brown has been places and done hings and he’s really not happy at all:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ex-hearts-coach-blames-player-recruitment-absolutely-calamity-tynecastle-2503975


What an interview - all over the place. Several times he literally contradicts himself within the space of a sentence. :greengrin

[Brooster]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

Bore off with your snp krap. It's not the time or place.

[Joe6-2]

Aye he was telling me all that the other day, not a happy man!

Kris Boyd having a go at them as well (yes I know its the Sun but worth a look to see them getting slaughtered) https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5409955/hearts-pay-kris-boyd/

At last, following on from the Herald article, the truth!

Edit : I know, not often the Sun and truth in the same article!

[Bostonhibby]

What an interview - all over the place. Several times he literally contradicts himself within the space of a sentence. :greengrinSo has he been places and done hings or not?

I'm confused

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[CockneyRebel]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone



The SNP propaganda department must have your photo on their office wall

[Coco Bryce]

Heard that a a fair few players told them to ram their 50% wage cut at a meeting yesterday. Pleasing.

[jacomo]

Aye he was telling me all that the other day, not a happy man!

Kris Boyd having a go at them as well (yes I know its the Sun but worth a look to see them getting slaughtered) https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5409955/hearts-pay-kris-boyd/


Good read that.

[Ozyhibby]

Heard that a a fair few players told them to ram their 50% wage cut at a meeting yesterday. Pleasing.

Good, so they should.


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[Gloucester Hibs]

Aye he was telling me all that the other day, not a happy man!

Kris Boyd having a go at them as well (yes I know its the Sun but worth a look to see them getting slaughtered) https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5409955/hearts-pay-kris-boyd/

Nice! He doesn’t miss them. About time the media tackled the other “big lie” in Scottish fitba - that Hearts are a well run club.

[04Sauzee]

Spawny gits ate going to be saved by league reconstruction, you just know it.

[Keith_M]

Herald putting the boot in now:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18323430.clubs-must-not-tempted-put-self-interest-others-time-crisis/?ref=appshr


I read that article. Nice to see somebody telling the truth, for once.




"More puzzling, though, is the fact that on the evidence offered throughout this season, few would have envisaged Hearts beating Rangers and getting to where they are in the domestic Cup tournament.

No-one with a financial background would have budgeted for Hearts going as deep into the tournament as they have done. The suggestion would seem to be that the Tynecastle side have been struggling to stay afloat even without the pandemic that has brought the world (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world_news/) to a standstill."

[poolman]

[QUOTE=HibbySpurs;6124062]Come on Hibs.net to get away from chat about CV guys. Let’s not turn the threads into huge political debates regarding gas Boris got it right or wrong or if you hate the tories or hate the SNP.

There are other forums for that and if I want poorly thought out political debate I’ll spend my time on Facebook!


Well said

[Keith_M]

Come on Hibs.net to get away from chat about CV guys. Let’s not turn the threads into huge political debates regarding gas Boris got it right or wrong or if you hate the tories or hate the SNP.

There are other forums for that and if I want poorly thought out political debate I’ll spend my time on Facebook!


:agree:

[Aldo]

Hearts lead to be followed by 12 clubs as SFA and SPFL brace for further coronavirus fallout
Hearts have already decided to offer wage cuts and a further 12 clubs could do the same.

Can't actually understand how the record are trying to make them out to be trailblazers!?!!

Funny how Ross County Chairman has indicated his players and staff will be paid.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-stars-ask-ann-budge-21729796

Players not keen on wage cut. I’m shocked.


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[G B Young]

Well, just tell me 1 that went along with our behavioral based approach.

Best examples are across Africa and the Middle East where there are nations without a semblance of a strategy. Egypt, the most populous, is especially horrendous:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/coronavirus-egypt-luxor-cairo-sisi-disaster-china

My point, though, was that I'm not convinced we've got it any more 'wrong' than any other nation when we're still seeing 500 people a day dying in Italy and hundreds across the likes of Spain and Portugal. There's no 'right' solution yet as the bottom line is nobody yet knows where this is going and there's simply no political mileage to be gained when it comes to a crisis like this.

Apologies if I've dragged this thread off course. I'll move to the Holy Ground for any further CV discussion.

Back on topic, it's mind-boggling that Levein and Macphee are still at Hearts, let alone trying to portray themselves as top blokes for agreeing salary cuts. What exactly are they getting paid for?!

I'm guessing they continue to hang around in the hope that in the event of what appears to be Stendel's likely departure they might just weasel back into a position of influence.

[ScottB]

If you like facts you should check worldometers.info. It records cases and deaths for all countries around the world. I accept that the figures cannot be accurate but it gives an indication of what is happening. Of the countries that are able to be analysed the UK has the 10th highest number of cases and 7th highest number of deaths. However if you look at the number of cases/1m population the UK is one of the best performing countries. I suspect being an island has helped. For what its worth I don't think he has done a lot wrong to date and that applies to all the leaders of the devolved governments as well.

The UK has been actively not testing, even people reporting acute symptoms. Comparing us to nations that have been testing everyone that moves, like China or South Korea, is a waste of time.

[whiskyhibby]

[QUOTE=HibbySpurs;6124062]Come on Hibs.net to get away from chat about CV guys. Let’s not turn the threads into huge political debates regarding gas Boris got it right or wrong or if you hate the tories or hate the SNP.

There are other forums for that and if I want poorly thought out political debate I’ll spend my time on Facebook!


Well said


👍

[Roxyhibee]

Does anyone know if any of these articles (in particular The Times and Herald) have been even acknowledged by the deluded androids on JKB.?

[Bostonhibby]

Does anyone know if any of these articles (in particular The Times and Herald) have been even acknowledged by the deluded androids on JKB.?The Duncans are so far ahead of the rest of society generally that they are reading next weeks papers.

Had a bit of a chat with the family yam who sees it as great business practice by Budge to put Hearts before everything else. He's employed by the council and pretty secure in his job so I said I'd heard the council would have to make similar savings.

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[Billy Whizz]

Fraser Wishart coming on Sportsound, as the PFA, will be interested to hear what he says about this!
My view is I do think players should take some sort of reduction, it’s maybe the budge went about it

[G B Young]

So no people involved then, always wondered what the horses would get up to if left to their own devices[emoji16]

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:greengrin Seriously though you would still presumably have jockeys, trainers, stable staff, officials, course employees etc involved so not sure why that would be deemed safe. In the same way I can't see why golf is continuing at some courses. Yes the clubhouses may be shut but a fourball brings everyone into pretty close proximity.

[Real Emerald]

The horses I’m betting on are obeying the social distancing rules, they’re staying 2 metres behind all the other horses! 😊

[Bostonhibby]

The horses I’m betting on are obeying the social distancing rules, they’re staying 2 metres behind all the other horses! [emoji4][emoji23]

Same here.

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[Bostonhibby]

[emoji5] Seriously though you would still presumably have jockeys, trainers, stable staff, officials, course employees etc involved so not sure why that would be deemed safe. In the same way I can't see why golf is continuing at some courses. Yes the clubhouses may be shut but a fourball brings everyone into pretty close proximity.I do feel it's flies in the face of the advice to have close downs like now exist which might be say 95% successful only to have one outbreak spread from whatever part of the 5% this sort of exception might represent.



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[Moulin Yarns]

:greengrin Seriously though you would still presumably have jockeys, trainers, stable staff, officials, course employees etc involved so not sure why that would be deemed safe. In the same way I can't see why golf is continuing at some courses. Yes the clubhouses may be shut but a fourball brings everyone into pretty close proximity.

You've not seen me playing golf. :greengrin

[SuperAllyMcleod]

The hertz are goin doon wae Cowowner virus.
Ahll get ma coat.

As fir that name Clevid 28 sounds like a new disease awe the gither

I love the fact that everyone ignored this, not one single comment, quote or reply (until now) - it’s the digital equivalent of tumbleweed - which is what it deserved to be honest. [emoji23][emoji23]

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-stars-ask-ann-budge-21729796

Players not keen on wage cut. I’m shocked.


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Article by Liam Bryce. The old 1 letter switcheroo trick. 😁

[Wee Effen Bee]

You need to read the exact facts on this. You'll find in-fact, that Scotland has stood still in the rankings at position 13. Not bad a for tiny small country though eh!

The actual figures go onto show that if the UK was split into country rankings, England would be way below the Scottish ranking.

It’s also true to say the underlying trend for exam results is rising. Of course, the problem we have is our curriculum is far advanced skills-learning system as opposed to fact learning. As has often expressed said, equating our ‘results’ with other countries is like comparing apples and oranges.

[Eyrie]

Football contracts commit both sides to the deal for a fixed period, so the players are fully entitled to decline the pay cut and sit tight. I think Mo Johnston did that when Hearts tried to get him to accept a cheap pay off many years ago. Hearts eventually made him a better offer to end his contract early.

It's worth remembering that clubs are quick to hold players to contracts when it suits them.

[Tomsk]

So has he been places and done hings or not?

I'm confused

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I'm confused he ever got a job as a manager. There really is one born every minute.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm confused he ever got a job as a manager. There really is one born every minute.There was a time when a shabby trackie, a shouty voice, a big purple face that looked ready to explode and some form of connection to Hearts was a prerequisite for a managerial or coaching role at some clubs in scotland.

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[Tomsk]

There was a time when a shabby trackie, a shouty voice, a big purple face that looked ready to explode and some form of connection to Hearts was a prerequisite for a managerial or coaching role at some clubs in scotland.

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Let's keep our voices down. Remember he was once on the staff at Easter Road too. :embarrass

[Bostonhibby]

Let's keep our voices down. Remember he was once on the staff at Easter Road too. :embarrassNever wanted him there, as you say, embarrassing

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[Joe6-2]

Never wanted him there, as you say, embarrassing

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Who of a Hibs persuasion did want him??

[Hibernianinc]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

I agree 👍

We are lucky to have credible leadership.

[Deansy]

You need to read the exact facts on this. You'll find in-fact, that Scotland has stood still in the rankings at position 13. Not bad a for tiny small country though eh!

The actual figures go onto show that if the UK was split into country rankings, England would be way below the Scottish ranking.

Soon as I clicked onto it and realised it was the BBC I clicked off immediately - can't be arsed with 'Fake news' !

[jacomo]

Let's keep our voices down. Remember he was once on the staff at Easter Road too. :embarrass


The most baffling appointment I can remember. Dark times.

[MrSmith]

Soon as I clicked onto it and realised it was the BBC I clicked off immediately - can't be arsed with 'Fake news' !

If you move past the BBC report and google the headline, you will find The Express, The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Times, The Telegraph, The Spectator etc, all offering the same story with their added negative spin.

Anyway, I know there is a forum for politics so, back on track, FTH!

Hope they get relegated :D

[Sammy7nil]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38207729


Our education system isnt the best and the snp arent doing as good a job with it as some would want us to believe.

Don't let facts get in the way please. :wink:

[Phil MaGlass]

Soon as I clicked onto it and realised it was the BBC I clicked off immediately - can't be arsed with 'Fake news' !

THIS ft EBC

[1875M]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

As a teacher, I can sadly say our education system is nowhere near the best. If anything, it’s declining.

[greenpaper55]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

Thank you Nicola ! Please take your SNP propaganda elsewhere as this is a football forum. Looks like you cannot wait to see the back of us elderly to fulfil your dreams ?

[marinello59]

Any chance of just sticking to football here? There’s a separate forum for anybody who wants to talk politics.
Thanks.

[mcfly]

Hearts have made a mistake asking all players to take 50% cut.

Imagine Boyce? Signs in jan and then 2 months later they say take 50% cut in salary.

His agent will say no way and he will walk.

I’d imagine this has upset a lot of players and staff. Won’t be a happy place when the football does start up again.

[The Count]

If they are letting players go to save cash they must know the season is finished.If not and the season restarts they could be missing vitual players for the relegation battle.If they think there is a chance the season will restartand still taking this action they are in serious financial trouble.

[jacomo]

Soon as I clicked onto it and realised it was the BBC I clicked off immediately - can't be arsed with 'Fake news' !


Oh jeez... can all the conspiracy theorists / preppers / trump fans take their delusions elsewhere please?

[Keith_M]

Could the Admins maybe start deleting all the politics comments?


I see I'm not the only one getting a bit p1ssed off with them now.

[Billy Whizz]

Hearts have made a mistake asking all players to take 50% cut.

Imagine Boyce? Signs in jan and then 2 months later they say take 50% cut in salary.

His agent will say no way and he will walk.

I’d imagine this has upset a lot of players and staff. Won’t be a happy place when the football does start up again.

And who’s going to give him that sort of salary just now

[Waxy]

And who’s going to give him that sort of salary just now

We could offer him £3100?
Though he’s not been very good for them, that could be alot to do with certain people at hearts.

[007]

Hearts must be banking on their reconstruction proposal now. If it restarts from where it left off I can't see many players fighting for the jersey now.

[Waxy]

Pretty much only hearts talking about reconstruction. Its a complete no goer.
The leagues are perfectly fine as they are and they cant be changed at this short notice anyway.

[Col2]

Does anyone have a clue when the expected decision will be made on financial distribution (given the urgency) and decision on how the season ends officially IF we can’t conclude it by end of June?

Or are we just waiting until nearer June to then decide.

[FilipinoHibs]

They have to play out the season, anything else will cause too much controversy. Probably means a truncated season next season - 22 or 33 with no split. LC purely knock out with SPL teams coming in at last 16. European places can be determined at current standings if European competition goes ahead.

[WhileTheChief..]

Oh jeez... can all the conspiracy theorists / preppers / trump fans take their delusions elsewhere please?

Prepper??

Never heard that before. Should I be worried in case I am one?!

[MrSmith]

Prepper??

Never heard that before. Should I be worried in case I am one?!

It worries me more that there is opinions viewed as worthless - just because!

[007]

Pretty much only hearts talking about reconstruction. Its a complete no goer.
The leagues are perfectly fine as they are and they cant be changed at this short notice anyway.

Funnily enough Barry Ferguson is too. Barry is pushing for no titles to be given out but wants the promotions for league reconstruction. Kelty would be promoted from the Lowland League to League 2. That'll get him managing at the next level up and give him a promotion on his CV but giving them the title would mean Celtic would have to get the Premiership.

Kelty not getting the title doesn't dent his career aspirations so worth the sacrifice to prevent 9 in a row.

[Ozyhibby]

They have to play out the season, anything else will cause too much controversy. Probably means a truncated season next season - 22 or 33 with no split. LC purely knock out with SPL teams coming in at last 16. European places can be determined at current standings if European competition goes ahead.

Yip, the clubs are all loaded so will be able to cut their income next season no bother just to fit in games for a season where all the money is already in for.[emoji849]


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[FilipinoHibs]

Yip, the clubs are all loaded so will be able to cut their income next season no bother just to fit in games for a season where all the money is already in for.[emoji849]


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They can't get the money until season is finished. Everybody is going to cut their cloth accordingly. That is the hard facts of this crisis. We are all going to be poorer including football clubs and football players.

[Ozyhibby]

They can't get the money until season is finished. Everybody is going to cut their cloth accordingly. That is the hard facts of this crisis. We are all going to be poorer including football clubs and football players.

They can get the money as soon as they declare the season over and accept current placings.
They need to start selling next season now and they can’t do that if they don’t intend to start until October.


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[Gloucester Hibs]

Yip, the clubs are all loaded so will be able to cut their income next season no bother just to fit in games for a season where all the money is already in for.[emoji849]


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If you listen to the likes of TalkSPORT that is literally the only solution many of the pundits are proposing. As if everything exists in the prism of the EPL, which is probably one of the only leagues that could sustain such a course of action 🙄

[mcfly]

And who’s going to give him that sort of salary just now

They have a contract - they can sit tight and refuse

Or they are let go for nothing and can presumably sign for another club whenever next season starts.

This won’t go on forever and presumably they paid him a signing on fee. ?

[marinello59]

If your priority is political debate then please do it on the Holy Ground.

[MrSmith]

If your priority is political debate then please do it on the Holy Ground.

Cheers :D

[brog]

They can't get the money until season is finished. Everybody is going to cut their cloth accordingly. That is the hard facts of this crisis. We are all going to be poorer including football clubs and football players.

Well, they can end the season now & get the money. IMO there's only 3 possible ways forward, I don't think there's any chance of finishing this season's league programme.
1. End season now & final placings are as they currently are. That way, League placings are based on games played, mostly 30.
2. Void the whole league season. That way, everything's based on 8/9 games not played!!
3. Reconstruction. As TV deal depends on uglies playing each other 4 times, the only option is 14 teams with a 6/8 split.

As a footy fan I like option 3, as a Hibs fan I love option 1 & I still think that's way they will go.

[Keith_M]

I can see other clubs having to propose a wage reduction to their players, depending on their financial situation.

There's clubs that are just always in a constant struggle to get by, with small crowds and minimal TV and Sponsorship money. I could understand if they had to tighten their belts.

I suspect, though, that there's some larger clubs club that rely on collecting the Season Ticket money for the following season ASAP, just to see out the current season. To them it's just a way of life, constantly overspending

[Waxy]

Last thing we need is BIGGER leagues for next season anyway.
We’ll be starting late or very late as it is.
End the season now with teams finishing in their current position.
Pay out everyones money.
Only Dundee utd will swap with whoever is bottom.
Just dae it.

[O'Rourke3]

Well, they can end the season now & get the money. IMO there's only 3 possible ways forward, I don't think there's any chance of finishing this season's league programme.
1. End season now & final placings are as they currently are. That way, League placings are based on games played, mostly 30.
2. Void the whole league season. That way, everything's based on 8/9 games not played!!
3. Reconstruction. As TV deal depends on uglies playing each other 4 times, the only option is 14 teams with a 6/8 split.

As a footy fan I like option 3, as a Hibs fan I love option 1 & I still think that's way they will go.6/8 split means less games for the 6. Changing the league set up to appease a few teams at the bottom of the league is an ill thought through plan. The teams in the lowest leagues are left with fewer games to play and make income, or a bunch of teams who are not equipped are promoted too soon.

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[Caversham Green]

I can see other clubs having to propose a wage reduction to their players, depending on their financial situation.

There's clubs that are just always in a constant struggle to get by, with small crowds and minimal TV and Sponsorship money. I could understand if they had to tighten their belts.

I suspect, thought, that there's some larger clubs club that rely on collecting the Season Ticket money for the following season ASAP, just to see out the current season. To them it's just a way of life, constantly overspending

That's reflected in the cash balance and deferred income figures in the accounts.

At 30 June 2019 Hearts had collected £5.2m season ticket money for this season and had £0.6m in the bank. They'd spent £4.6m of this season's money to achieve their 6th place last season. That's the real reason why they've had to halve their staff's wages now.

[Jack]

Last thing we need is BIGGER leagues for next season anyway.
We’ll be starting late or very late as it is.
End the season now with teams finishing in their current position.
Pay out everyones money.
Only Dundee utd will swap with whoever is bottom.
Just dae it.

There was a government advisory group softening us up for social distancing for the rest of this year!

If that's the case we could almost finish this season starting February/March next year!!!

Just think. Players back training in January, a couple of friendlies for match practice, just pick up where we left off this season.

[grunt]

At 30 June 2019 Hearts had collected £5.2m season ticket money for this season and had £0.6m in the bank. They'd spent £4.6m of this season's money to achieve their 6th place last season. That's the real reason why they've had to halve their staff's wages now.That's a shocking fact. No wonder their accounts were qualified. They were, weren't they?

It's almost as bad as the days when they were spending 106% of their income on wages.

[007]

They've had a very high turnover of players in the Budge/Levein era and how many of them have either reached the end of their contract and left or have been bought by another club? Not many so that means they've had to pay off a heck of a lot of them to get them off the payroll and clear the way for the next batch of duds and begin the cycle all over again.

[MrSmith]

That's reflected in the cash balance and deferred income figures in the accounts.

At 30 June 2019 Hearts had collected £5.2m season ticket money for this season and had £0.6m in the bank. They'd spent £4.6m of this season's money to achieve their 6th place last season. That's the real reason why they've had to halve their staff's wages now.

That is bloody awful! That lot really need to accept their fate and just swallow it! They have gotten away with so much pish over the years that it's embarrassing. The year they relegated Dundee by not declaring admin till end of season was the most despicable football act in recent times.

[Waxy]

Good point that all the championship clubs would have budgeted on a decent supported team down there next year.

[Geo_1875]

That is bloody awful! That lot really need to accept their fate and just swallow it! They have gotten away with so much pish over the years that it's embarrassing. The year they relegated Dundee by not declaring admin till end of season was the most despicable football act in recent times.

That was criminal. In any other business there would have been prosecutions.

[Caversham Green]

That's a shocking fact. No wonder their accounts were qualified. They were, weren't they?

It's almost as bad as the days when they were spending 106% of their income on wages.

No, the audit report wasn't qualified. The reason for that is there is a lengthy going concern note in the accounts that outlines why the directors believe the club to be a going concern and states that Bidco and Benny Factor would continue to give financial support. The auditors will have examined the cash flow projections to ensure they were achievable and the financial background of Benny and the Budge to ensure they were capable of providing the necessary support. I suspect the projections took account of season ticket sales this year (which might now not materialise) and assumed that the full programme of home games would be fulfilled. They couldn't foresee the current circumstances, so an unqualified report wasn't unreasonable.

[brog]

6/8 split means less games for the 6. Changing the league set up to appease a few teams at the bottom of the league is an ill thought through plan. The teams in the lowest leagues are left with fewer games to play and make income, or a bunch of teams who are not equipped are promoted too soon.

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My thinking was that the top 6 are much more likely to be involved in Europe & in latter stages of cup competitions therefore it makes sense for bottom 8 to have more league games. Im not proposing it should happen, it's just the only possible way I think reconstruction could work.

[Ozyhibby]

My thinking was that the top 6 are much more likely to be involved in Europe & in latter stages of cup competitions therefore it makes sense for bottom 8 to have more league games. Im not proposing it should happen, it's just the only possible way I think reconstruction could work.

It’s still one less home game to sell for clubs. I can’t see them getting 75% of clubs to go for reconstruction at short notice like this. Too many clubs would be expected to lose out.


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[K-Zazu]

Good point that all the championship clubs would have budgeted on a decent supported team down there next year.

Like Hamilton?

[brog]

It’s still one less home game to sell for clubs. I can’t see them getting 75% of clubs to go for reconstruction at short notice like this. Too many clubs would be expected to lose out.


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Its not 1 less home game. Its the same for top 6 & at least 1 more for bottom 8.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18325859.hearts-captain-steven-naismith-agrees-take-50-per-cent-pay-cut---remain-tynecastle/
Naismith takes the cut.


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[Ozyhibby]

Its not 1 less home game. Its the same for top 6 & at least 1 more for bottom 8.

Top 6 will play 36 games. We currently play 38.


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[mjhibby]

Slightly off topic but most kids now will be given their exam results on yearly performance. In other words it's unlikely kids will be able to do the exams and the fairest way is on work done. Just thought Id mention it.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18325859.hearts-captain-steven-naismith-agrees-take-50-per-cent-pay-cut---remain-tynecastle/
Naismith takes the cut.


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Good on him, but he can afford too

[jacomo]

Slightly off topic but most kids now will be given their exam results on yearly performance. In other words it's unlikely kids will be able to do the exams and the fairest way is on work done. January at thought I mention it.


Sevco statement incoming... good Presbyterian children don’t do walking away from classrooms and their loyalty can never be questioned. Sevco demands the immediate reinstatement of exams no matter what.

[Bostonhibby]

Sevco statement incoming... good Presbyterian children don’t do walking away from classrooms and their loyalty can never be questioned. Sevco demands the immediate reinstatement of exams no matter what.They'll do it but it's an oxymoron if ever I've seen one, a sevconian complaining about Edjikaishun. Whatever next.



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[brog]

Top 6 will play 36 games. We currently play 38.


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:agree:

[007]

Good on him, but he can afford too

If the wealthy, well paid captain didn't take it then nobody would.

[Waxy]

Like Hamilton?

Hamilton? Hamilton are too tough to go down.

[Billy Whizz]

If the wealthy, well paid captain didn't take it then nobody would.

His 50% reduction will be a lot more than most of the squads actual wages

[jonty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51962930

Euro Club Index predicts:
Liverpool 100% certain to win the EPL
Also predicts a record 102 points total.

in Scotland, they pridict a 98.87% chance of Celtic winning the premiership.



No surprise then to find the Euro Club Index predicting with 100% certainty that Jurgen Klopp's side will deliver a first title to Anfield in 30 years.

Not only that, but if their model is correct, the Reds will end the season with a record 102 points, beating the century that Manchester City racked up in 2017-18.

In truth, it is unlikely we will witness any last-gasp title drama in any of Europe's top five leagues.

Current leaders Bayern Munich have an 84.37% chance of winning the Bundesliga, Italy's top-placed side Juventus (83.98%) are almost certain to claim a ninth successive Serie A title, Paris St-Germain (99.98%) have France's Ligue 1 all but wrapped up, while Barcelona (74.22%) are firm favourites to beat Real Madrid to La Liga's crown.

In Scotland, Celtic's 13-point advantage over Rangers means they have a 98.87% chance of winning the Premiership, although the latter will cling to that 1.13% until the bitter end.

Shame they dont mention relegation for Scottish premier league.

[jacomo]

They'll do it but it's an oxymoron if ever I've seen one, a sevconian complaining about Edjikaishun. Whatever next.




Well they also like to bang on about concepts like integrity, justice and respect - they are used to demanding from others what they will not do themselves.

[Just_Jimmy]

Naismith says this is not a situation if hearts making?

You sure Steve? Blatant cheating for years?

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[Frankhfc]

Naismith says this is not a situation if hearts making?

You sure Steve? Blatant cheating for years?

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Total donkey.

They're recidivist overspenders expecting to be repeatedly bailed out.

Its blatant cheating. If the likes of Hamilton or St mirren started lavishly vastly overspending outwith their means there would immediately be journalists all over it with no one sympathasing saying 'its not their fault'.

Naismith is a complete and utter moron.

[Joe6-2]

Naismith says this is not a situation if hearts making?

You sure Steve? Blatant cheating for years?

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Make me boak, as do the press for not calling them out

[007]

Like how they claim the reason Hickey hasn't been asked to take a 50% wage cut is because he's already on a low wage. They should be honest about it and admit it is because he's their only sellable asset and they know if he was given the same ultimatum as everyone else, he'd happily taken the option to leave for nowt and find himself another club whilst getting a nice lump sum for a signing fee.

What about the other young players? I don't imagine they're not similar wages. And of course there's the back office staff, have any of them been exempt from the ultimatum? Doubt it, otherwise there wouldn't have been the bit in there about them not being reduced to lower than the living wage if a 50% cut would do that.

[MWHIBBIES]

Unbelievable that they have a positive press story coming from this disgrace. They have friends in the media who manage to make them look good even when their actions are shameful.

[JimBHibees]

Unbelievable that they have a positive press story coming from this disgrace. They have friends in the media who manage to make them look good even when their actions are shameful.

Absolutely no doubt about that very clear in sportsound with Biscuits, Brian Mclauchlan, Robbo and bizarrely Tom English frequently indicating how wonderful an instruction they are with little or no fair critical comment. Time to get Michael Stewart back on.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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[Danderhall Hibs]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Very good.

[BoomtownHibees]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Good article. Particularly liked this bit:

“ This is all it took to turn Ann Budge into football’s equivalent of the clown with a garage full of bog rolls and dried pasta”

[Frankhfc]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Excellent piece. Seems that some in the media are willing to spell it out as it is. The rot had set in at Tynecastle long before this terrible virus arrived.

[JimBHibees]

Cracking article of course being a St Mirren fan he will have been on the wrong end of Hearts financial mismanagement in the past. Agree with every word.

[FilipinoHibs]

Cracking article of course being a St Mirren fan he will have been on the wrong end of Hearts financial mismanagement in the past. Agree with every word.

Yes loved it. People are lining up to put the boot into these thieves.

[bringbackbenny]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true



at last the Scottish press are starting to see through the latest incompetent shower of charlatans running Hearts. if they are that tight on cash flow then how on earth did they manage to outbid Aberdeen (and others?) for Liam Boyce. it’s Deja vu with Craig Beattie from years back.

[Since452]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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It's a situation that has been handled very badly. Instead of threatening expensive legal action they should have concentrated on ensuring that their staff were going to get paid. Budge and Hearts first reaction was one of complete selfishness. No sympathy for her at all.

[brog]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Bill Leckie has always been a good guy, good journo & a genuine footy, St M, fan. Very well written article, just a shame about his paper.

[Keith_M]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Wow!

"But you know what, Madam Chairwoman? Whereas a week ago I’d have gone to the barricades to defend your club’s right to try to stay in the top flight, today you’re on your own.

For this, there’s no one to blame but yourself.

All you had to do, as with BoJo and the nation’s bar staff, was keep your powder dry, compose your thoughts, get the staff onside and make the best of a rotten situation.

Foot on the ball, Budgie, foot on the ball."

[jacomo]

Good article. Particularly liked this bit:

“ This is all it took to turn Ann Budge into football’s equivalent of the clown with a garage full of bog rolls and dried pasta”


Brilliant. I love it when Bill Leckie is off the leash.

All Jambos should read it. They may not agree, but it might help them understand why sympathy for their plight is in short supply.

I’ve said it before, but Budge’s selfish and indulgent attitude is particularly galling from a club that works so hard to make heroic sacrifice part of their brand.

‘Madam Chairwoman’ has been tested and found wanting.

[jacomo]

at last the Scottish press are starting to see through the latest incompetent shower of charlatans running Hearts. if they are that tight on cash flow then how on earth did they manage to outbid Aberdeen (and others?) for Liam Boyce. it’s Deja vu with Craig Beattie from years back.


Unfortunately Bill Leckie is often a lone voice and does not influence editorial policy. Still welcome though.

[Garymcl]

We should be spreading this article far and wide to the outside world I’m not techno minded but think it would be great in the absence of the rest of the media to publish this the truth must be told Ggtth

[marinello59]

We should be spreading this article far and wide to the outside world I’m not techno minded but think it would be great in the absence of the rest of the media to publish this the truth must be told Ggtth

I don’t think the outside world will be that interested. Some other story seems to be hogging the headlines. :greengrin

[CockneyRebel]

Bill Leckie has always been a good guy, good journo & a genuine footy, St M, fan. Very well written article, just a shame about his paper.



Had a bone or two to pick with him over the years but he is the only journo so far to stick the boot in over the continuing joke that is HMFC. How have they dodged the bullet for so long?

[cocteautwin]

It’s good that there is some negative momentum building behind the Hearts story. People on here have been pointing out for the best part of 2 years now the astonishing amounts of external cash they were burning through.

By the end of 2020 season it’s going to be close to £30m that’s been thrown at the HMFC project and this spend must have been continuing up until a few weeks ago

There’s 2 big events that could happen to HMFC over the next few months: Relegation and Administration.

If both of these things happen there won’t be many people around with much sympathy seeing that they are unarguably deserving of both events.

If they managed to avoid either one of or both of the above 2 events there will be a lot of people around shaking their heads in astonishment.

[Logie Green]

Good on him, but he can afford too

Agree, but it should be remembered that last summer he was paid 4 weeks wages (rumoured to be £30k a week) , as entitled, from Norwich City for the month after his contract with them ended. He then signed a permanent deal with hertz. To be fair to him he contributed financially to homeless charities etc when he was at Everton but he'll still be relatively well paid by hertz even after a 50% cut.

[Biggie]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Finally !.....someone calling them out

[Roxyhibee]

Had a bone or two to pick with him over the years but he is the only journo so far to stick the boot in over the continuing joke that is HMFC. How have they dodged the bullet for so long?

Similar articles in The Times and Herald the past few days, written in different styles but saying the same thing. All we need now is our own local Scotsman or EN reporting the facts and we might have a dawning they’ve been financially doping for the third time in 20 years. Oh and that Budge sycophant Tom English could do with giving himself a shake too and trying a bit of honest journalism more often.

[HoboHarry]

Unfortunately Bill Leckie is often a lone voice and does not influence editorial policy. Still welcome though.
Hearts are deserving of having the boot stuck into them but so are Sevco - when he starts (unless I've missed it) putting the boot into Sevco for their spending policy then I for one will have a higher opinion of him. I'm not holding my breath though.....

[WhileTheChief..]

There’s 2 big events that could happen to HMFC over the next few months: Relegation and Administration.

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Who would the creditors be that could force admin?

They can’t get external borrowings so it could only be directors, players or HMRC that they could owe substantial funds to I’d have thought?

I don’t see admin2 as a likely outcome at all.

I do think they will finally have to cut their cloth though, the Boyce signing and reliance on the cup semi highlights everything that is wrong with the way they operate.

I can’t see many clubs saying that Hearts have been dealt with unfairly if they are relegated.

[jacomo]

I don’t think the outside world will be that interested. Some other story seems to be hogging the headlines. :greengrin


Sports journalists are desperate for football ‘content’. Get it out there!

[RossScott1991]

With the news breaking about Aberdeen today, maybe best not to jump the gun on Hearts situation too much!

Wonder what Hibs response will be in coming days

[GreenCastle]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5415047/heart-budge-cash-crisis-tynecastle-coronavirus-leckie/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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Good read / can anyone copy and paste here please ?

[Garymcl]

Exactly Jacomo I was meaning at every opportunity keep this subject about our rivals ineptitude to run a “football club “ in the spotlight in any shape or form there’s no way all is Barry is going to call out budge and her club in the local rag :flag:

[MrSmith]

With the news breaking about Aberdeen today, maybe best not to jump the gun on Hearts situation too much!

Wonder what Hibs response will be in coming days

Wow! Wasn't expecting that from Aberdeen but again how can a team with an average support of under 14K sustain their spending?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52006599

https://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/avesco.htm

[Andy74]

With the news breaking about Aberdeen today, maybe best not to jump the gun on Hearts situation too much!

Wonder what Hibs response will be in coming days

They are talking a bit longer term. They are including all of next season't ticket money in that future they are said to be losing.

Hearts went for it after one home game had been missed.

[matty_f]

They are talking a bit longer term. They are including all of next season't ticket money in that future they are said to be losing.

Hearts went for it after one home game had been missed.

We won't be immune for it though, Andy.

I hope we're well placed to get through it but the longer it goes the more likely it is we'll need to cut costs somewhere.

[Ozyhibby]

We won't be immune for it though, Andy.

I hope we're well placed to get through it but the longer it goes the more likely it is we'll need to cut costs somewhere.

Next seasons player budget will be hit for sure. And we won’t be paying transfer fees for anyone. We still need to sign about 10-12 players though but they will be getting less than those already here and less than they would have got previously. All clubs in the same boat but we should be better placed than some to deal with it. I doubt we will be spending money on the stadium this summer.


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[Spike Mandela]

We won't be immune for it though, Andy.

I hope we're well placed to get through it but the longer it goes the more likely it is we'll need to cut costs somewhere.

No club will be immune from it but some will be slightly better placed for short term contingency.

It’s the equivalent of the payday millionaires who get paid and blow all their cash in the first week after payday and are pleading poverty for the rest of the month whilst others have used and spread their cash wisely. As ever we know it is these sorts of irresponsible, reckless cash guzzlers who will get the bailouts as well.

[Logie Green]

There’s 2 big events that could happen to HMFC over the next few months: Relegation and Administration

It would be ironic if their '5 year plan' went full circle. 🤡

[Rumble de Thump]

Hearts and Aberdeen have been reliant on fans and millionaires chucking money at them for years. It's particularly interesting that the millionaires only seem interested in pumping money into them when there's gloating and glory to be had but not when jobs are on the line.

[04Sauzee]

Not sure if both Aberdeen and Hearts catering etc is all in house so there would be overheads potentially incurred that Hibs wouldn't as ours is outsourced? I could be talking bollocks though

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure if both Aberdeen and Hearts catering etc is all in house so there would be overheads potentially incurred that Hibs wouldn't as ours is outsourced? I could be talking bollocks though

The govt 80% wage bail out probably saves them with that.


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[percy veer]

Not sure if both Aberdeen and Hearts catering etc is all in house so there would be overheads potentially incurred that Hibs wouldn't as ours is outsourced? I could be talking bollocks though
So careful what you wish for with half time pies etc

[Kato]

Similar articles in The Times and Herald the past few days, written in different styles but saying the same thing. All we need now is our own local Scotsman or EN reporting the facts and we might have a dawning they’ve been financially doping for the third time in 20 years. Oh and that Budge sycophant Tom English could do with giving himself a shake too and trying a bit of honest journalism more often.Spending 80% ish of the 2019-20 season ticket money during season 2018-19.

It's not hard for journalists to look and see where the story is although I can see how it's hard for some of them to come to terms with the truth.

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[jacomo]

Hearts are deserving of having the boot stuck into them but so are Sevco - when he starts (unless I've missed it) putting the boot into Sevco for their spending policy then I for one will have a higher opinion of him. I'm not holding my breath though.....


IIRC he was one of the very few journalists to write that the sanctimonious outrage orchestrated by Sevco after our cup-winning exuberance was way out of proportion.

We are in a situation where Sevco - like Hearts until recently - have publicly insisted that directors and benefactors will continue to pile in sufficient cash to alleviate any losses. Unless a journalist has hard evidence that such assurances are a lie, they are on tricky ground going after them.

[jacomo]

With the news breaking about Aberdeen today, maybe best not to jump the gun on Hearts situation too much!

Wonder what Hibs response will be in coming days


Aberdeen are saying a prolonged period with no income is unsustainable.

Leeann has asked for urgent clarity over financial help available to football clubs.

I don’t see anything wrong with either statement - they are pointing out the obvious perils facing any business in the wider entertainment / hospitality / events industry (which I also work in).

Budge just unilaterally declared that all staff need to take immediate 50% cut or lose their jobs. Very different.

[Tug Wilson]

Aberdeen are saying a prolonged period with no income is unsustainable.

Leeann has asked for urgent clarity over financial help available to football clubs.

I don’t see anything wrong with either statement - they are pointing out the obvious perils facing any business in the wider entertainment / hospitality / events industry (which I also work in).

Budge just unilaterally declared that all staff need to take immediate 50% cut or lose their jobs. Very different.

Agreed.

All clubs will be affected. Hard decisions will need to be made.

However, Hearts cash flow is obviously running out hence the drastic action taken.

Hibs seem not to be in the same boat just yet.

Matters will develop over the next couple of weeks/months and Hibs might have to make some tough choices.

However we have no major infrastructure projects on the go unlike Aberdeen and Hearts.

Not sure if it is good or bad thing that we don't have too many players out of contract this summer. On one hand we have to carry the wages whilst there is no football income but on the other hand our squad can be in place for when it does resume.

Teams like St Mirren and Hamilton have virtually a full team of players out of contract come June. I can't see them looking to replace these players until they know football is going to start again. There is going to be one mad scramble for players at some point.

Can't see much transfer activity over the summer as clubs will have cash shortages.

You never know though because the football economy is very different to the normal economy.

[Caversham Green]

Not sure if both Aberdeen and Hearts catering etc is all in house so there would be overheads potentially incurred that Hibs wouldn't as ours is outsourced? I could be talking bollocks though

You're not talking bollocks. Both of those clubs do their catering etc. in house and therefore have many more staff to worry about than Hibs. Even with the government assistance they'll be paying a lot of people at least 20% of their normal salaries and getting nothing in return.

[Ozyhibby]

You're not talking bollocks. Both of those clubs do their catering etc. in house and therefore have many more staff to worry about than Hibs. Even with the government assistance they'll be paying a lot of people at least 20% of their normal salaries and getting nothing in return.

I think it will be the staff who are taking the hit for the missing 20%.


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[Sammy7nil]

I think it will be the staff who are taking the hit for the missing 20%.


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Is it 80% of gross or Net salary if gross no employee taking a hit :wink:

[Caversham Green]

I think it will be the staff who are taking the hit for the missing 20%.


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There's actually a choice, but the employee has to stay on the payroll and it's likely that most employers will meet the other 20%. It would be a pretty poor employer that didn't, so Hearts probably won't.

[Joe6-2]

Agreed.

All clubs will be affected. Hard decisions will need to be made.

However, Hearts cash flow is obviously running out hence the drastic action taken.

Hibs seem not to be in the same boat just yet.

Matters will develop over the next couple of weeks/months and Hibs might have to make some tough choices.

However we have no major infrastructure projects on the go unlike Aberdeen and Hearts.

Not sure if it is good or bad thing that we don't have too many players out of contract this summer. On one hand we have to carry the wages whilst there is no football income but on the other hand our squad can be in place for when it does resume.

Teams like St Mirren and Hamilton have virtually a full team of players out of contract come June. I can't see them looking to replace these players until they know football is going to start again. There is going to be one mad scramble for players at some point.

Can't see much transfer activity over the summer as clubs will have cash shortages.

You never know though because the football economy is very different to the normal economy.

You make really good points, and all show why this season should be ended now, positions as they are (too bad if you are bottom or lose out on promotion) Share out monies and move on!’
Lives and saving lives much, much more important right now

[Waxy]

This whole situation is very sad.
Just finish the season now and pay everyone out.
I’d even go as far as to give the jambos extra money in their umbrella payment to accept it asap and get everything done.

[Heisenberg]

Got money to spend apparently. Or at least they expect to have money to spend once they get rid of the majority of their team and Hickey for a few quid.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5418753/hearts-approach-agents-players-money-spend/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1584994328

There’s no chance they are expecting to play this season to a finish. Can you imagine asking some of the current squad to play for them again 😂