The generic Hearts thread

[percy veer]

Can anyone explain all this 'Duncan' chat? :confused:

shan patter IMO

[Jones28]

shan patter IMO

It is a bit. I know 3 Duncans, all Hibs fans.

[Onion]

That's quite staggering.

Where were these utter trumpets when they were busy 'winning' a Scottish cup against us, using laundered money while bumping charities etc., and benefiting from one of the most inept (corrupt in their eyes) refereeing performances since Alan Freeland forgot 2 yellows = red.

For all their noise, they'll put their cardigans back on, fawn over Budge's next statement and hand over their money without question. As always.

Fannys.

And to think that mess of a club will soon be owned by these people. Only hope they can survive long enough :thumbsup:

[jacomo]

shan patter IMO


Sorry Duncan.

[Keith_M]

shan patter IMO


You didn't like the Duncan video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwHbjXN54lI)? I thought it was quite funny.

How about Duncan Murray at Christmas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPHxV07yEAE)

Thought it was a bit mean the way he's being treated in Lockdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTo3-halKBw)

[Keith_M]

"The lack of football is a reason to rejoice for Hearts Fans"

Says Duncan Murray (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_2SuK23jfk)

[AltheHibby]

"The lack of football is a reason to rejoice for Hearts Fans"

Says Duncan Murray (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_2SuK23jfk)

That's funny, buy I still think the original is the best.

I don't get why people think its 'Shane patter' calling our neighbours "Duncans "; it's got to be better than "vermin" or "hivs" like they and their new BFFs call us.

[Paul1642]

That's funny, buy I still think the original is the best.

I don't get why people think its 'Shane patter' calling our neighbours "Duncans "; it's got to be better than "vermin" or "hivs" like they and their new BFFs call us.

However they are also Shan patter. And all of these seem only to exist on forums and social media. Never once heard Yams, Duncans, Hivs, peg sellers or Verman said out loud in the real world. The internet is a weird place.

[Barney McGrew]

Using the phrase shan patter is the absolute definition of shan patter :wink:

[James Stephen]

shan patter IMO

Agreed, really cringey

[Keith_M]

However they are also Shan patter. And all of these seem only to exist on forums and social media. Never once heard Yams, Duncans, Hivs, peg sellers or Verman said out loud in the real world. The internet is a weird place.


Calling somebody a Duncan because of a reasonably funny video is surely not on the same level as calling somebody Vermin, ****, HIVs or whatever.

If you don't think it's funny, then just don't use the term.

[CapitalGreen]

However they are also Shan patter. And all of these seem only to exist on forums and social media. Never once heard Yams, Duncans, Hivs, peg sellers or Verman said out loud in the real world. The internet is a weird place.

That’s a good point about certain things only being used on the internet and not in the real world Paul1642.

[MrSmith]

However they are also Shan patter. And all of these seem only to exist on forums and social media. Never once heard Yams, Duncans, Hivs, peg sellers or Verman said out loud in the real world. The internet is a weird place.

A few months ago I was walking down Sauchiehall St. in Glasgow. Celtic were at home against a European team and fans were heading to pubs in the area. There was this guy sitting in a doorway watching Celtic fans, women children, families etc, when he burst out into a tirade of abuse that was way over the top. I don't think I need list any of the words and sentences used but my point is that it is not only internet based.

[HFC93]

shan patter IMO

Glad it's not just me. I cringe every time.

[The 90+2]

However they are also Shan patter. And all of these seem only to exist on forums and social media. Never once heard Yams, Duncans, Hivs, peg sellers or Verman said out loud in the real world. The internet is a weird place.

The last three I’ve heard numerous time’s by huns.

[Peevemor]

Glad it's not just me. I cringe every time.

I haven't used the "Duncan" thing, but that doesn't mean I won't at some point.

However, if you find something so mundane cringeworthy I think you've probably come on to the wrong forum.

[jacomo]

That’s a good point about certain things only being used on the internet and not in the real world Paul1642.


The internet has influenced the way people communicate? I am shocked.

People - Latin scholars mostly - also moaned about the effect the printing presses had on language 500 years ago.

I’ve never tried to act out a meme in real life either, but they have their place.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Using the phrase shan patter is the absolute definition of shan patter :wink:

Something only a "Duncan" would do?

[The 90+2]

The internet has influenced the way people communicate? I am shocked.

People - Latin scholars mostly - also moaned about the effect the printing presses had on language 500 years ago.

I’ve never tried to act out a meme in real life either, but they have their place.

Just had the vision of a scrap happening on the other side of the road, running into scotmid to get some popcorn 😁

[-Jonesy-]

However they are also Shan patter. And all of these seem only to exist on forums and social media. Never once heard Yams, Duncans, Hivs, peg sellers or Verman said out loud in the real world. The internet is a weird place.

Yet here you are on it arguing about a small and irrelevant point.

[CapitalGreen]

French Ligue 1 apparently going with current league positions as final. PSG crowned champions and the teams in the relegation places (Amiens and Toulouse) going down to Ligue 2.

[Peevemor]

French Ligue 1 apparently going with current league positions as final. PSG crowned champions and the teams in the relegation places (Amiens and Toulouse) going down to Ligue 2.

I think that's what the French FA are proposing, but the French league have to arrange an EGM to vote on it.

It'll be funny though. Just as our SC win ruined the Heart's song book, leagues around Europe going with the same system as here does away with their main argument against being relegated.

[HFC93]

I haven't used the "Duncan" thing, but that doesn't mean I won't at some point.

However, if you find something so mundane cringeworthy I think you've probably come on to the wrong forum.

Do you have to be on board with all the patter to post on here?

[Peevemor]

Do you have to be on board with all the patter to post on here?

Not at all - I'm not.

I just don't see the cringe in the Duncan thing.

[lapsedhibee]

That’s a good point about certain things only being used on the internet and not in the real world Paul1642.

:greengrin

[AltheHibby]

Calling somebody a Duncan because of a reasonably funny video is surely not on the same level as calling somebody Vermin, ****, HIVs or whatever.

If you don't think it's funny, then just don't use the term.

I think Duncans is on a par with Weegies, Edinbu**ers and the like. Funny, even when the latter is directed at me. What I find offensive is the vermin and similar nasty insults. Rivalry Iis one thing, as is winding up, but hatred is another.

And on the subject of hatred, why do people (Duncans) feel the need to pick a username that shows their hatred of a rival rather than support for their own team? That's just sad.

[Tug Wilson]

Almost started to read the EEN article where Ally McCoist says that it is unfair to relegate Hearts.

Then I remembered - What relevance does his opinion have?

[matty_f]

shan patter IMO

I like it, it's just a bit of fun.

[Waxy]

Almost started to read the EEN article where Ally McCoist says that it is unfair to relegate Hearts.

Then I remembered - What relevance does his opinion have?

We’d expect you to say that Ally with yous and hearts scratching each others back the now.
It would be far more unfair not to relegate them.
Get on with it SPFL.

[greenginger]

Almost started to read the EEN article where Ally McCoist says that it is unfair to relegate Hearts.

Then I remembered - What relevance does his opinion have?

Someone should remind Ally hearts voted to make the new club The Rangers start again in the 4 th div

[The Count]

Ally the coward McCoist who hit a Hibs player from behindthen ran away.It was during the on field scramash when Souness was sent off.Never forgiven the cheepy chap.That game every Hibs fan was wired it was a powder keg.

[erin go bragh]

I’ve never used Yam or Duncan to describe our puddle drinking Huns without the bus fares neighbours.
But each to their own .
Good to hear Franck Sauzee’s country doing the correct thing .

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Almost started to read the EEN article where Ally McCoist says that it is unfair to relegate Hearts.

Then I remembered - What relevance does his opinion have?

Billy Boys sticking together.

[Glory Lurker]

McCoist was Hearty Harry at the derby once. Still never understood that one.

[The Harp Awakes]

McCoist was Hearty Harry at the derby once. Still never understood that one.

A mini hun for the day rather than a full fat one :greengrin

[Skol]

I’ve never used Yam or Duncan to describe our puddle drinking Huns without the bus fares neighbours.
But each to their own .
Good to hear Franck Sauzee’s country doing the correct thing .

You have now

[Keith_M]

Banderson has written an unbelievable article praising Budge as some kind of visionary for getting the players to (finally) take a wage cut.

They have a ridiculously large wage bill, built up under Budge's watch, but managing to temporarily reduce it slightly somehow makes her the saviour.

[Kaiser1962]

Ally the coward McCoist who hit a Hibs player from behindthen ran away.It was during the on field scramash when Souness was sent off.Never forgiven the cheepy chap.That game every Hibs fan was wired it was a powder keg.

Was it Mark Fulton ?

[jacomo]

I’ve never used Yam or Duncan to describe our puddle drinking Huns without the bus fares neighbours.
But each to their own .
Good to hear Franck Sauzee’s country doing the correct thing .


I see what you’ve done there.

:aok:

[jacomo]

Banderson has written an unbelievable article praising Budge as some kind of visionary for getting the players to (finally) take a wage cut.

They have a ridiculously large wage bill, built up under Budge's watch, but managing to temporarily reduce it slightly somehow makes her the saviour.


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/entire-hearts-squad-agree-wage-cuts-and-wont-suffer-double-hit-if-relegated-2560795

There’s no journalism here, just propaganda.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/entire-hearts-squad-agree-wage-cuts-and-wont-suffer-double-hit-if-relegated-2560795

There’s no journalism here, just propaganda.

Shambles of an article. Can practically hear Budge saying the words as Barry types them

[munchar]

Shambles of an article. Can practically hear Budge saying the words as Barry types them

They’ve actually had to hold players to ransom. Most of the players would’ve had no choice, as the alternative was ending contract, & nobody will sign them until football restarts. All self inflicted by Budge, as they deliberately offered large basic wages to attract better players, knowing they were unsustainable if they were unsuccessful. A gamble that backfired, but not the players fault, irrespective of how they performed.

[Tug Wilson]

They’ve actually had to hold players to ransom. Most of the players would’ve had no choice, as the alternative was ending contract, & nobody will sign them until football restarts. All self inflicted by Budge, as they deliberately offered large basic wages to attract better players, knowing they were unsustainable if they were unsuccessful. A gamble that backfired, but not the players fault, irrespective of how they performed.

Getting these players off the wage bill might prove a problem.

Lots of them will do a Malaury Martin and see out their contract.

Leaves little room for them to rebuild. Although I have a feeling that the mystery benefactors will reappear with money for new signings once football restarts.

[Frankhfc]

They’ve actually had to hold players to ransom. Most of the players would’ve had no choice, as the alternative was ending contract, & nobody will sign them until football restarts. All self inflicted by Budge, as they deliberately offered large basic wages to attract better players, knowing they were unsustainable if they were unsuccessful. A gamble that backfired, but not the players fault, irrespective of how they performed.

Exactly this.

When the proverbial hit the fan, Budge shat it, instantly realising their cheating ways were coming to roost and immediately set about shafting the players rather than honour good faith contracts.

A despicable shambles of a club.

[munchar]

Getting these players off the wage bill might prove a problem.

Lots of them will do a Malaury Martin and see out their contract.

Leaves little room for them to rebuild. Although I have a feeling that the mystery benefactors will reappear with money for new signings once football restarts.

And they’re quite entitled to see out their contracts. Signed in good faith by both parties. Could easily have put clauses in to protect themselves, but being their usual smug self, thought they were being a step ahead of everyone else. Only fair they get their just rewards. Down you go. Enjoy the chaos, we will.

[Waxy]

They would have been down by now anyway. Theyve been rotten.
Beat by St Mirren, couldnt get up for thier biggest game in years.
Should have been hammered by Hamilton at home but for the ref.
They’re doon and in major denial.

[BurghHibby]

Was it Mark Fulton ?

I’m sure it was, and fat sally let his team mate (Colin West, I think) take the blame!

[CraigHibee]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/entire-hearts-squad-agree-wage-cuts-and-wont-suffer-double-hit-if-relegated-2560795

There’s no journalism here, just propaganda.

Poor journalism, it shouldn't be "if" relegated, more when

[Waxy]

Poor journalism, it shouldn't be "if" relegated, more when

They’re in denial. The clubs already voted to end the league with current positions final with promotion and relegation.
They’re down.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-have-hearts-recruitment-plans-they-are-shrouded-uncertainty-2614164

I’m getting hopeful that Stendel is staying. CV-19 has maybe made him realise that he won’t get a gig anywhere else.[emoji1696]


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[Bostonhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-have-hearts-recruitment-plans-they-are-shrouded-uncertainty-2614164

I’m getting hopeful that Stendel is staying. CV-19 has maybe made him realise that he won’t get a gig anywhere else.[emoji1696]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHe's got good relegation credentials and it's only fair he gets a proper crack at improving that abysmal wins to games record and he's surely looking forward to the maroon derby against Arbroath.

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[Ronniekirk]

Banderson has written an unbelievable article praising Budge as some kind of visionary for getting the players to (finally) take a wage cut.

They have a ridiculously large wage bill, built up under Budge's watch, but managing to temporarily reduce it slightly somehow makes her the saviour.

Pandering to the Hearts support and and Crawling up Budge s arse. He is irrelevant as so biased Wouldn’t even read an article by him


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[jacomo]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-have-hearts-recruitment-plans-they-are-shrouded-uncertainty-2614164

I’m getting hopeful that Stendel is staying. CV-19 has maybe made him realise that he won’t get a gig anywhere else.[emoji1696]


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Plan for the Championship Daniel. And keep pouring those drinks... sorry, I mean pouring over videos of players on you tube.

[Bostonhibby]

Plan for the Championship Daniel. And keep pouring those drinks... sorry, I mean pouring over videos of players on you tube.Is that goalpost in the picture all that's keeping him upright?

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[PatHead]

"Maybe this month we can pay the salary but in 2 months it will be different."

Hmmm

[jacomo]

Is that goalpost in the picture all that's keeping him upright?

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Yeah, the b****** kept moving but he finally got a hold of it.

[Waxy]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/daniel-stendel-i-have-hearts-recruitment-plans-they-are-shrouded-uncertainty-2614164

I’m getting hopeful that Stendel is staying. CV-19 has maybe made him realise that he won’t get a gig anywhere else.[emoji1696]


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He might even keep them down. Who knows the depth of this downward spiral?

[Ozyhibby]

He might even keep them down. Who knows the depth of this downward spiral?

Glorious.[emoji3][emoji122]


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[hibbyfraelibby]

Interesting to see Queen Bees fawning sychophant English change tack a little in his peice on today's SPFL discussions on the BBC propaganda site.

We are no longer looking at "Reconstruction" apparently but at "recalibrating the season to avoid teams being relegated".

Seems Reconstruction is now dirty word...

[Joe6-2]

"Maybe this month we can pay the salary but in 2 months it will be different."

Hmmm

Maybe!

[Waxy]

Interesting to see Queen Bees fawning sychophant English change tack a little in his peice on today's SPFL discussions on the BBC propaganda site.

We are no longer looking at "Reconstruction" apparently but at "recalibrating the season to avoid teams being relegated".

Seems Reconstruction is now dirty word...
Omg it must be D day.
Whats Budge thinking?
We’re going down i cant stop it what can i do.
I know. I’ll pull a random word that sounds important from the dictionary and say we have to do that.
They’ve gone beyond desperate now.

[FilipinoHibs]

Interesting to see Queen Bees fawning sychophant English change tack a little in his peice on today's SPFL discussions on the BBC propaganda site.

We are no longer looking at "Reconstruction" apparently but at "recalibrating the season to avoid teams being relegated".

Seems Reconstruction is now dirty word...

Points will now be based on how much you have spent.

[Greenworld]

He's got good relegation credentials and it's only fair he gets a proper crack at improving that abysmal wins to games record and he's surely looking forward to the maroon derby against Arbroath.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkI will also be delighted if he stays. Yet another guy strolls into our league not having clue to the standard.
He would be even worse in the championship sorry i mean better please let him stay.
The muppets on kickback think he is wonderful im baffled why

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[Dan Sarf]

Interesting to see Queen Bees fawning sychophant English change tack a little in his peice on today's SPFL discussions on the BBC propaganda site.

We are no longer looking at "Reconstruction" apparently but at "recalibrating the season to avoid teams being relegated".

Seems Reconstruction is now dirty word...


Recalibrations
Means celebrations
And stop the Hearts from going down with me
Recalibrations
Not panic stations
I want the world to know how happy I will be


Sorry, bored.

[Peevemor]

Points will now be based on how much you have spent.Nah, they're going to award 5 points per statement. Sevco are now top of the league with Hearts 2nd.

[Sweet Left Peg]

Recalibrating the season by awarding points for goals conceded and games lost, perhaps???

Sounds like a Cathro-ism to me.

[HibbySpurs]

Does anyone else worry that they will actually wriggle out of getting relegated (which is what they deserve)?

No matter how odiously they have co ducted their business I worry that a scenario that sees them wipe their slate clean (again) transpires and they end up lording it for several years due to basically playing the system, here’s the scenario that worries me....

1. They get relegated “officially” and this allows them to release players with a release clause they don’t want.

2. League reconstruction is voted through to a 14 team premiership either temporarily or on a permanent basis and they are immediately “promoted”.

3. The Wage cuts they have implemented just now means no deferment bill to pay back to the players/staff meaning a financial advantage gained over every club outside the OF, most of whom did the decent thing in deferring salaries, allowing them to rebuild their squad and possibly finish 3rd next season.

Maybe I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate here but in my entire lifetime they seem to be exceptionally lucky and get away with everything.

Maybe they’re just ruthless at these things rather than giving two hoots for sporting or any other form of integrity and will again twist the whole thing to their advantage?

Maybe if the above comes to pass it won’t be fair but life invariably isn’t fair and I just worry that they will come out of this whole **** show smelling like roses whilst those who do the “right thing” end up on the ****ty side of the fence.

[Waxy]

No one really wants reconstruction but Budge and her media people.
The constant throwing of reconstruction stones by them all is getting people annoyed now.
Reconstruction isnt happening so lets call it recalibration?
They really need to be sent down TODAY.
Anything else is unacceptable and unfair to every team ever relegated.

[Carheenlea]

SPFL club has discussed administration

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-club-discussed-administration-fears-21960108

Probably Hearts but wouldn’t rule out Rangers.

[Billy Whizz]

SPFL club has discussed administration

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-club-discussed-administration-fears-21960108

Probably Hearts but wouldn’t rule out Rangers.

Crops etc will have a view on who’s likely to run out of cash soon

[weecounty hibby]

I bet if anyone could don the hazmat suit and venture into somanypointsback they would tell you it's Hibs! I would suspect St Johnstone as they were already struggling. Would love it to be the tarts though

[Hibs4185]

Crops etc will have a view on who’s likely to run out of cash soon

Hearts must be the prime candidate. Big squad, big wages, no cash in the bank and facing relegation. Easy way to empty some players and reduce wage bill

[CapitalGreen]

SPFL club has discussed administration

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-club-discussed-administration-fears-21960108

Probably Hearts but wouldn’t rule out Rangers.

I imagine it will be Hearts. “Back reconstruction or you’re forcing us into administration 😭😭😭😭”

[Ozyhibby]

I bet if anyone could don the hazmat suit and venture into somanypointsback they would tell you it's Hibs! I would suspect St Johnstone as they were already struggling. Would love it to be the tarts though

St. Johnstone have cash reserves. All they said earlier in the season was that they were eating into them and there would need to be cutbacks. They run a pretty tight ship normally.


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[oneone73]

Why is everyone assuming it's a Premiership club? All 42 League clubs are senior clubs.

[AltheHibby]

I bet if anyone could don the hazmat suit and venture into somanypointsback they would tell you it's Hibs! I would suspect St Johnstone as they were already struggling. Would love it to be the tarts though

I didn't see us mentioned, but they want whoever's it is subjected to forensic accounting and points deduction if it's not COVID-19 to blame. Hypocrites to a Duncan.

[Waxy]

I imagine it will be Hearts. “Back reconstruction or you’re forcing us into administration 😭😭😭😭”

If everyone accepts there final placings they could all be paid out now to buy time. Rangers, hearts and Stranraer better be right or disgrace is too tame a word.
Should be docked points next season.

[Irish_Steve]

Why is everyone assuming it's a Premiership club? All 42 League clubs are senior clubs.

Third time lucky!!

here you go - apologies for the source but it does seem genuine. But didn`t I read somewhere that no teams entering Admin now would be deducted points so the table would stay as is - what a shame, eh!

https://videocelts.com/2020/05/blogs...-at-spfl-club/

[Bostonhibby]

Why is everyone assuming it's a Premiership club? All 42 League clubs are senior clubs.Maybe they're speculating based on which one has proven it can blow £10m the quickest for least return?[emoji16]

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[plhibs]

Why is everyone assuming it's a Premiership club? All 42 League clubs are senior clubs.

I might be wrong but I thought it was at a meeting with 12 PL teams and Dundee United only.

[Barney McGrew]

I might be wrong but I thought it was at a meeting with 12 PL teams and Dundee United only.


It was. So it must have been a Premiership club, and I assume that as most clubs will have furloughed players and £600 a week will cover 80% of most players wages then it must be a club with a reasonably high wage bill. Celtic will be fine and we should be OK given we’ve agreed deferrals and sold a chunk of seasons. Aberdeen likewise should be fine.

That leaves two candidates IMO.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08bzw0f

A link to Chris McLaughlin talking about a club going into admin today.


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[Billy Whizz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08bzw0f

A link to Chris McLaughlin talking about a club going into admin today.


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I’ll listen later, but one of the prime candidates has to be Caley Thistle

[Iggy Pope]

The description, ‘a senior club in Scotland’ applies to any club playing senior football in Scotland and there’s more than 12 of those.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I imagine it will be Hearts. “Back reconstruction or you’re forcing us into administration 😭😭😭😭”

Dont worry Hurtz you can be "recalibrated" back into the Lowland League

[Jones28]

Weren’t Greenock Morton one of the first clubs to take steps financially? It could be them.

[Bostonhibby]

The description, ‘a senior club in Scotland’ applies to any club playing senior football in Scotland and there’s more than 12 of those.You've just ruined any yam whose looking ins weekend as Mrs doctor Budge's last long game survival tactic was that a team above them might go into admin before they do.[emoji16]

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[Joe6-2]

You've just ruined any yam whose looking ins weekend as Mrs doctor Budge's last long game survival tactic was that a team above them might go into admin before they do.[emoji16]

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She was probably hoping that would happen

[Waxy]

Hes the guy who posted this before they played St Mirren.

Zero shame. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200413/17ea9fcf4a81639b1d44b40b80224681.jpg

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkBet St Mirren are glad they're no bottom.

[jacomo]

Bet St Mirren are glad they're no bottom.


If they were they’d be subjected to patronising and crocodile tears from Budge, who would be saying it was very unfortunate but it’s simply impossible to restructure the leagues for next season...

[Waxy]

If they were they’d be subjected to patronising and crocodile tears from Budge, who would be saying it was very unfortunate but it’s simply impossible to restructure the leagues for next season...

She’d be leading the “Get relegation done” group.

[Keith_M]

SPFL club has discussed administration

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-club-discussed-administration-fears-21960108

Probably Hearts but wouldn’t rule out Rangers.


Rumours going round here (Glasgow) that it's Killie.

No idea if true or not.

[The 90+2]

Rumours going round here (Glasgow) that it's Killie.

No idea if true or not.

They’ve loads of players out of contract soon and Bowie seems to do a good job for them so would be surprised if Killie.

[The Count]

If everybody just stood back and took of their colours and asked what is the best for Scottish football going forward? Then the answer has to be the status quo.

[FilipinoHibs]

St. Johnstone have cash reserves. All they said earlier in the season was that they were eating into them and there would need to be cutbacks. They run a pretty tight ship normally.


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They opened up three stands to the old firm to fill the hole in their budget created by transfers in. It could well be them.

[The 90+2]

They opened up three stands to the old firm to fill the hole in their budget created by transfers in. It could well be them.

Did they have any further games against the old firm before the end of the season? They’ve recently posted profits four years in a row too. Can’t see them owing money to loads of people or getting a loan they can’t repay.

[jacomo]

Did they have any further games against the old firm before the end of the season? They’ve recently posted profits four years in a row too. Can’t see them owing money to loads of people or getting a loan they can’t repay.


Depends on whether they got into the top six innit?

[The 90+2]

Depends on whether they got into the top six innit?

True. I don’t think they would have budgeted for that though either at the start of the season or even winter when they where down the bottom of the table therefore I don’t think they are cash reliant on them visiting to survive the season.

[Malthibby]

If everybody just stood back and took of their colours and asked what is the best for Scottish football going forward? Then the answer has to be the status quo.

Not if your colours are tangerine.

[A Hi-Bee]

**** the hertz have they no been relegated yet, if no then why no!

[Barney McGrew]

Basically, back in yer box and stop talking pish Dr Mrs Budge:

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-46665

[DaveF]

**** the hertz have they no been relegated yet, if no then why no!

You are consistent and one of these days you will be correct 😁

[jacomo]

Basically, back in yer box and stop talking pish Dr Mrs Budge:

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-46665


That is sweet.

It’s also clear and concise, unlike Budges confused ramblings.

[MacGruber]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08bzw0f

A link to Chris McLaughlin talking about a club going into admin today.


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Why would a SPFL club have to go bust? Budge has brought it to national attention if push comes to shove article 12 it. At very least can threaten it and see what the players do in response. No other top league club is running about screatching article 12 threats out of desperation so conclusion is no other top flight club is in as much **** as Hearts.
Other running costs can't be solved by suspending player contracts but if a club was in so much difficulty they would be making this saving at least.
Hearts the only ones to beat this drum. They'll be back to charging their own disabled supporters for parking on land that they only pretended to own, dipping into their own charity buckets and stealing poppies to aid themselves soon.

If hearts do get relegated for being bottom of the league and the worst team in it for 15 months inspite of them out spending everyone other than the old firm it couldn't be funnier. Such a massive effort in fundraising from the fans and millions ploughed in and flushed straight down the pan. Excellent.

Hurry up next season when they can bleat about denying other clubs the maroon pound (not making this up). The same clubs that forked out to help save them when they were on their knees in self inflicted Admin by handing over percentages of their home gates. The most repulsive cheating sporting institute there is getting wound up about corruption and cheating. Couldn't make it up. Karma.

[weecounty hibby]

Get them down FFS. They have been utter dug***** for more than a season and sit at the bottom completely on merit, no matter how much they have spent. They are disgusting and would be happy to see other clubs go tits up just for them to remain in the premier league. Everyone, and that includes club chairmen, should remember how they lied about their financial situation in the past. Dundee got relegated and they then went into admin to save relegation that year. They lied, stole money from charities, the government, the local council, a university and many many small businesses. They signed players they them could not afford to pay.
They are the lowest form if life when it comes to football and they seem to have no shame at all. They have never once that I have seen been contrite about their past crimes and infact seem pleased and still see Vlad as a hero. They have learnt no lessons and continue with the big team facade. **** them, relegation followed by administration followed by going bust and playing in the lowland league is too good for them

[Brunswickbill]

I hadn’t realised that Sevco chairman Douglas Park was a major shareholder in Hertz during the the Wallace Mercer era. Maybe there’s more to Budge’s support for Sevco than meets the eye.

[mjhibby]

SPFL club has discussed administration

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-club-discussed-administration-fears-21960108

Probably Hearts but wouldn’t rule out Rangers.

Unlikely just yet. Any club has only missed 3 home games at most which does not amount to a loss as yet enough to go into admin. Unless they were relying on the walk-up fans to pay April’s wages. I doubt it also as a 15 point deduction would mean certain relegation next season.

[Since452]

The seethe, tears and snotters on kickback is beautiful. Raging at everything. Rod Petrie seems to have wound them up somehow. Strangely they seem to paint Tom English out as some sort of warrior poet who will disect any possible cover up. Very strange bunch. Brilliant viewing though 😂

[Ozyhibby]

If, as was suggested on sportsound yesterday, that there will be no games in front of crowds for the rest of the year then it’s possible that only the premier league can find a way of doing this viably. That means no football for Div 1 (including Hearts) anytime soon. In such a scenario it’s only fair that we cancel relegation next season as there is no fair way to decide who come up next season and it allows the premier clubs time and space to recover from the effects of Covid 19.
It’s the only fair way.


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[greenginger]

Basically, back in yer box and stop talking pish Dr Mrs Budge:

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-46665


So its its established that old granny Budge does not know the difference between a loan and an advance.

Is there a chance she doesn’t know the difference between a loan and a donation either.

Maybe Benny Factor is actually the Loan Arranger :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

If, as was suggested on sportsound yesterday, that there will be no games in front of crowds for the rest of the year then it’s possible that only the premier league can find a way of doing this viably. That means no football for Div 1 (including Hearts) anytime soon. In such a scenario it’s only fair that we cancel relegation next season as there is no fair way to decide who come up next season and it allows the premier clubs time and space to recover from the effects of Covid 19.
It’s the only fair way.


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Might not be any lower leagues, with spectators for a while. Premiership clubs can survive with TV money

[Waxy]

So its its established that old granny Budge does not know the difference between a loan and an advance.

Is there a chance she doesn’t know the difference between a loan and a donation either.

Maybe Benny Factor is actually the Loan Arranger :greengrin

Whatever happens, Benny Factor will have the wallet out for next season no matter what happens.
Even if they get demoted to division 2 for bringing the game into disrepute.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Is that kiwidoug chap one of ours on a mission?

[AltheHibby]

Is that kiwidoug chap one of ours on a mission?

If he is, he's a bit obvious in winding them up.

"I agree with the OP. People like Doncaster can postulate all they like. We have not met the criteria for relegation, nor had Partick or Stranraer. What has been done to them is despicable.



This Covid is the worst thing ever to happen to the SPFL and they are completely out of their depth. Their only interest is pacifying the only two clubs which matter to them and they can't do it."

[hibeerealist]

If, as was suggested on sportsound yesterday, that there will be no games in front of crowds for the rest of the year then it’s possible that only the premier league can find a way of doing this viably. That means no football for Div 1 (including Hearts) anytime soon. In such a scenario it’s only fair that we cancel relegation next season as there is no fair way to decide who come up next season and it allows the premier clubs time and space to recover from the effects of Covid 19.
It’s the only fair way.


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I will second that Ozy.

[1 8 7 5]

Why would a SPFL club have to go bust? Budge has brought it to national attention if push comes to shove article 12 it. At very least can threaten it and see what the players do in response. No other top league club is running about screatching article 12 threats out of desperation so conclusion is no other top flight club is in as much **** as Hearts.
Other running costs can't be solved by suspending player contracts but if a club was in so much difficulty they would be making this saving at least.
Hearts the only ones to beat this drum. They'll be back to charging their own disabled supporters for parking on land that they only pretended to own, dipping into their own charity buckets and stealing poppies to aid themselves soon.

If hearts do get relegated for being bottom of the league and the worst team in it for 15 months inspite of them out spending everyone other than the old firm it couldn't be funnier. Such a massive effort in fundraising from the fans and millions ploughed in and flushed straight down the pan. Excellent.

Hurry up next season when they can bleat about denying other clubs the maroon pound (not making this up). The same clubs that forked out to help save them when they were on their knees in self inflicted Admin by handing over percentages of their home gates. The most repulsive cheating sporting institute there is getting wound up about corruption and cheating. Couldn't make it up. Karma.


great post mate

[jacomo]

If he is, he's a bit obvious in winding them up.

"I agree with the OP. People like Doncaster can postulate all they like. We have not met the criteria for relegation, nor had Partick or Stranraer. What has been done to them is despicable.



This Covid is the worst thing ever to happen to the SPFL and they are completely out of their depth. Their only interest is pacifying the only two clubs which matter to them and they can't do it."


Er... the team who finishes bottom at the end of the season gets relegated. It’s obviously a bit complicated for KiwiDoug but that is the rule.

Now, technically, this league season is only suspended, and hasn’t ended yet - but the final call will surely come soon.

And then Hearts are doon.

[lapsedhibee]

If, as was suggested on sportsound yesterday, that there will be no games in front of crowds for the rest of the year then it’s possible that only the premier league can find a way of doing this viably. That means no football for Div 1 (including Hearts) anytime soon. In such a scenario it’s only fair that we cancel relegation next season as there is no fair way to decide who come up next season and it allows the premier clubs time and space to recover from the effects of Covid 19.
It’s the only fair way.


:agree: It's the only fair way.

[Baader]

Er... the team who finishes bottom at the end of the season gets relegated. It’s obviously a bit complicated for KiwiDoug but that is the rule.

Now, technically, this league season is only suspended, and hasn’t ended yet - but the final call will surely come soon.

And then Hearts are doon.

There is always peril being at the foot of the table. Obviously no one seen this coming and it's an unprecedented crisis. Normally rules don't apply to a lot of things right now.

Put simply, being at the bottom of the league is never a good move!

[Saint Hibee]

There is always peril being at the foot of the table. Obviously no one seen this coming and it's an unprecedented crisis. Normally rules don't apply to a lot of things right now.

Put simply, being at the bottom of the league is never a good move!
But being at the bottom of the league takes away the fear of being bottom of the league, surely?

[ScottB]

Unlikely just yet. Any club has only missed 3 home games at most which does not amount to a loss as yet enough to go into admin. Unless they were relying on the walk-up fans to pay April’s wages. I doubt it also as a 15 point deduction would mean certain relegation next season.

Rangers claimed to need a £10 million investment to make it to the end of the season. Hearts seem to be paying a lot of their bills via supporter donations and benefactor gifts.

Both are likely to be very vulnerable to any sort of cash shock. So yeah, a few games missed, less chance of existing benefactors having the resources to spare, season ticket sales for next season would be getting bought at the usual rate etc.

[Eyrie]

Maybe we're missing something?

Maybe it was all part of Hearts masterplan for the season that they would be kiwidoug-sh*te for the first 29 games and then, having lured everyone into a false sense of security, they would launch their preplanned nine game winning streak to finish the campaign in the giddy height of eighth place.

Maybe that's why they're convinced that they shouldn't be relegated?

[Billy Whizz]

Rangers claimed to need a £10 million investment to make it to the end of the season. Hearts seem to be paying a lot of their bills via supporter donations and benefactor gifts.

Both are likely to be very vulnerable to any sort of cash shock. So yeah, a few games missed, less chance of existing benefactors having the resources to spare, season ticket sales for next season would be getting bought at the usual rate etc.

Rangers will last at least another season at least, going into admin etc would gift celtic 10 in a row
As for Hearts, FOH will play a massive part in them surviving, if they are relegated

[Keith_M]

Rangers claimed to need a £10 million investment to make it to the end of the season. Hearts seem to be paying a lot of their bills via supporter donations and benefactor gifts.

Both are likely to be very vulnerable to any sort of cash shock. So yeah, a few games missed, less chance of existing benefactors having the resources to spare, season ticket sales for next season would be getting bought at the usual rate etc.


The Rangers season tickets are now on sale.

If their Fans rally round, they could potentially get over £10m from that source. I think they also just signed an extension to their shirt sponsorship, which must be worth a few quid as well.

Though, quite how they're going to cope from about August onwards, when that money's already spent, is anybody's guess.

[007]

Maybe we're missing something?

Maybe it was all part of Hearts masterplan for the season that they would be kiwidoug-sh*te for the first 29 games and then, having lured everyone into a false sense of security, they would launch their preplanned nine game winning streak to finish the campaign in the giddy height of eighth place.

Maybe that's why they're convinced that they shouldn't be relegated?

Well they managed to erse that plan up then by losing the 1st of their 9 game streak to St Mirren and cemented their place at the bottom.

[Ozyhibby]

The Rangers season tickets are now on sale.

If their Fans rally round, they could potentially get over £10m from that source. I think they also just signed an extension to their shirt sponsorship, which must be worth a few quid as well.

Though, quite how they're going to cope from about August onwards, when that money's already spent, is anybody's guess.

Sort extension? Hummel are suing them so that’s not likely. If they are trying to set up a new deal then it will be interesting to see what Ashley thinks of that as he has matching rights on any deal.


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[Waxy]

Maybe we're missing something?

Maybe it was all part of Hearts masterplan for the season that they would be kiwidoug-sh*te for the first 29 games and then, having lured everyone into a false sense of security, they would launch their preplanned nine game winning streak to finish the campaign in the giddy height of eighth place.

Maybe that's why they're convinced that they shouldn't be relegated?
Think they’re convinced because there was a small chance they might have got out of it.
They dont get it though.
The season has ended early as final and fair.
Cant let hearts move up a place because they MIGHT have done better.
Youd have to give every team more money then because every team might have done better.
Cant not promote Dundee utd.
Cant add teams to league. No one wants or needs reconstruction.especially in these uncertain months.
Hearts are down and their fans heads are in the sand blaming everyone but themselves.

[BIGK]

But being at the bottom of the league takes away the fear of being bottom of the league, surely?


:top marks


Them being relegated will have the same effect, would surely be a relief for them?

[jacomo]

Think they’re convinced because there was a small chance they might have got out of it.
They dont get it though.
The season has ended early as final and fair.
Cant let hearts move up a place because they MIGHT have done better.
Youd have to give every team more money then because every team might have done better.
Cant not promote Dundee utd.
Cant add teams to league. No one wants or needs reconstruction.especially in these uncertain months.
Hearts are down and their fans heads are in the sand blaming everyone but themselves.


This is it.

At the beginning of this season Hearts knew that if they finished bottom they would get relegated. Dundee Utd knew that if they won the Championship they would get promoted.

Unless there is league reconstruction, that is what must happen.

[Bostonhibby]

:top marks


Them being relegated will have the same effect, would surely be a relief for them?Yep, they've been there for so long this season, and with Budge being such a successful person you can only really assume this was her target and she's not thrown all that money at it for nothing.

There's a masterplan.

There'll be one of her businessy type things around the corner that absolutely no one else is capable of doing. Tom English knows what's going on.

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[Not In The Know]

But being at the bottom of the league takes away the fear of being bottom of the league, surely?

They only owe the bottom of the league position to theirselves so it doesn’t count.

[brog]

Why would a SPFL club have to go bust? Budge has brought it to national attention if push comes to shove article 12 it. At very least can threaten it and see what the players do in response. No other top league club is running about screatching article 12 threats out of desperation so conclusion is no other top flight club is in as much **** as Hearts.
Other running costs can't be solved by suspending player contracts but if a club was in so much difficulty they would be making this saving at least.
Hearts the only ones to beat this drum. They'll be back to charging their own disabled supporters for parking on land that they only pretended to own, dipping into their own charity buckets and stealing poppies to aid themselves soon.

If hearts do get relegated for being bottom of the league and the worst team in it for 15 months inspite of them out spending everyone other than the old firm it couldn't be funnier. Such a massive effort in fundraising from the fans and millions ploughed in and flushed straight down the pan. Excellent.

Hurry up next season when they can bleat about denying other clubs the maroon pound (not making this up). The same clubs that forked out to help save them when they were on their knees in self inflicted Admin by handing over percentages of their home gates. The most repulsive cheating sporting institute there is getting wound up about corruption and cheating. Couldn't make it up. Karma.

I had forgotten about the other clubs helping out in that way. Shameless hypocrites, Hearts that is! Great post!

[Since452]

Why would a SPFL club have to go bust? Budge has brought it to national attention if push comes to shove article 12 it. At very least can threaten it and see what the players do in response. No other top league club is running about screatching article 12 threats out of desperation so conclusion is no other top flight club is in as much **** as Hearts.
Other running costs can't be solved by suspending player contracts but if a club was in so much difficulty they would be making this saving at least.
Hearts the only ones to beat this drum. They'll be back to charging their own disabled supporters for parking on land that they only pretended to own, dipping into their own charity buckets and stealing poppies to aid themselves soon.

If hearts do get relegated for being bottom of the league and the worst team in it for 15 months inspite of them out spending everyone other than the old firm it couldn't be funnier. Such a massive effort in fundraising from the fans and millions ploughed in and flushed straight down the pan. Excellent.

Hurry up next season when they can bleat about denying other clubs the maroon pound (not making this up). The same clubs that forked out to help save them when they were on their knees in self inflicted Admin by handing over percentages of their home gates. The most repulsive cheating sporting institute there is getting wound up about corruption and cheating. Couldn't make it up. Karma.

Spot on. Brilliant post

[bringbackbenny]

They'll be back to charging their own disabled supporters for parking on land that they only pretended to own

what's the story with this? that's pretty low, surely pre Budge?

[The 90+2]

what's the story with this? that's pretty low, surely pre Budge?

Think it was land that belonged to Tynie High School hearts used to charge supporters to park there. And Edinburgh council did what exactly?

[007]

Think it was land that belonged to Tynie High School hearts used to charge supporters to park there. And Edinburgh council did what exactly?

Diddling the disabled and the tax payers at the same time.

[AltheHibby]

And now they reckon they're responsible for Celtic's hooped strips.

Is there nothing they won't claim responsibility for? Well, nothing except their own situation.

[jacomo]

And now they reckon they're responsible for Celtic's hooped strips.

Is there nothing they won't claim responsibility for? Well, nothing except their own situation.


What baffling new fiction is this?

[Mikey]

Have they not been expelled yet?

[The 90+2]

Diddling the disabled and the tax payers at the same time.

And not a word said.

[AltheHibby]

What baffling new fiction is this?

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188686-are-hearts-responsible-for-celtics-hooped-jerseys/

[CraigHibee]

Have they not been expelled yet?

🤣 they choose expelled over on brokeback as it takes the sting out of relegation slightly. You are normally expelled for doing something wrong so they are definitely on the right path with that, expelled because you are horse ****

[Jim44]

The really damning thing about Hearts’ demise and probable relegation is the behaviour and attitude of both the management of the club and it’s supporters as they sink slowly into a situation in the championship where they will be despised by all the other clubs. Their belligerence, lying and straw clutching venom has little effect other than burning the slender bridges they need to be in place for an eventual return to the Premiership. They’ll get no quarter given and they’ll be the team that everyone wants to beat. They remind me of the stereotypical guilty prisoner being dragged, screaming his innocence, to the gallows. Their drop could very well be fatal as well.

[The 90+2]

🤣 they choose expelled over on brokeback as it takes the sting out of relegation slightly. You are normally expelled for doing something wrong so they are definitely on the right path with that, expelled because you are horse ****

If that’s the case let’s hope for them the majority of their squad has expelled clauses in their contracts and not relegation.

[jacomo]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188686-are-hearts-responsible-for-celtics-hooped-jerseys/


It’s a stretch and then some.

Tomorrow I look forward to a Jambo claiming they won the Champions League last season because of their special relationship with Liverpool.

[Since452]

Sooner the sniveling plastic huns are relegated the better. I don't even want them going back to their yo-yo club roots I want them down permanently

[Caversham Green]

The really damning thing about Hearts’ demise and probable relegation is the behaviour and attitude of both the management of the club and it’s supporters as they sink slowly into a situation in the championship where they will be despised by all the other clubs. Their belligerence, lying and straw clutching venom has little effect other than burning the slender bridges they need to be in place for an eventual return to the Premiership. They’ll get no quarter given and they’ll be the team that everyone wants to beat. They remind me of the stereotypical guilty prisoner being dragged, screaming his innocence, to the gallows. Their drop could very well be fatal as well.

:agree: Meanwhile their fans' threats to boycott away matches means they are of no financial value to Premiership or Championship clubs - neither division needs or wants them.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Likey unpopular perspective but...

As the enormity of this crisis unravels I wouldn’t be too surprised for football to have to rip it up and start again as clubs tinker on the brink.
Hearts will be saved through the demise of others.

As a result if their Vladdish excesses they’ve ended up with a competitive advantage in the additional revenues from FOH at a level unlike other clubs. If this continues they will be better placed to handle a lack of spectators through the gates that other clubs on the brink.

If push cametto shove they already have the donators. Some may dry up as the crisis extends but they have a foundation.

Do folks think we’d flip modes and donate in numbers approaching Hearts?

[Kaiser1962]

Likey unpopular perspective but...

As the enormity of this crisis unravels I wouldn’t be too surprised for football to have to rip it up and start again as clubs tinker on the brink.
Hearts will be saved through the demise of others.

As a result if their Vladdish excesses they’ve ended up with a competitive advantage in the additional revenues from FOH at a level unlike other clubs. If this continues they will be better placed to handle a lack of spectators through the gates that other clubs on the brink.

If push cametto shove they already have the donators. Some may dry up as the crisis extends but they have a foundation.

Do folks think we’d flip modes and donate in numbers approaching Hearts?

As discussed elesewhere their monthly expenditure appears quite high (£500k a month more than us) and FOH donate around £1.25m (excellent btw) that donation would fund the difference for about 10 weeks. They spend around £900k a month more than Hamilton, Ross County and St. Mirren so about 5 weeks worth there. The Rangers spend about £1m a week more than us.

[CraigHibee]

If that’s the case let’s hope for them the majority of their squad has expelled clauses in their contracts and not relegation.

could be mighty costly if not :greengrin

[PatHead]

If that’s the case let’s hope for them the majority of their squad has expelled clauses in their contracts and not relegation.

Sure I read somewhere that it is a 25% cut in wages. Possibly one of the papers when the wage cuts were forced.

[Aldo]

As discussed elesewhere their monthly expenditure appears quite high (£500k a month more than us) and FOH donate around £1.25m (excellent btw) that donation would fund the difference for about 10 weeks. They spend around £900k a month more than Hamilton, Ross County and St. Mirren so about 5 weeks worth there. The Rangers spend about £1m a week more than us.

For some reason I though I had read we were in the region of 775,000 monthly and they were £1.4 million monthly. So around double.


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[brog]

For some reason I though I had read we were in the region of 775,000 monthly and they were £1.4 million monthly. So around double.


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For year ended 30 June 2019 our costs were £10.6 m therefore just under £0.9m per month. There's were £14.7m therefore £1.23m per month, a difference of about £330k per month.

[Kaiser1962]

For some reason I though I had read we were in the region of 775,000 monthly and they were £1.4 million monthly. So around double.


I saw that as well now you mention it. I was working from stuff from the Twitterati that was posted when the suspension of games kicked in and will likely be out of date. 2019 accounts had their overall wage bill at 1.9m more than us (they have more staff I think) which would suggest the major part of the discrepancy is elsewhere.
Since the last accounts were published we have Ron Gordon coming in, they have a bloated playing squad, new management team, an unfinished stand and are staring relegation in the face.

[MrSmith]

Likey unpopular perspective but...

As the enormity of this crisis unravels I wouldn’t be too surprised for football to have to rip it up and start again as clubs tinker on the brink.
Hearts will be saved through the demise of others.

As a result if their Vladdish excesses they’ve ended up with a competitive advantage in the additional revenues from FOH at a level unlike other clubs. If this continues they will be better placed to handle a lack of spectators through the gates that other clubs on the brink.

If push cametto shove they already have the donators. Some may dry up as the crisis extends but they have a foundation.

Do folks think we’d flip modes and donate in numbers approaching Hearts?

I actually think this is what Hearts are waiting on. Smacks of Dundee syndrome again by delaying the inevitable administration to ensure no points lost. Some of the teams above them may go into admin or worse and that is where I think Hearts are playing the game.

[Irish_Steve]

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188686-are-hearts-responsible-for-celtics-hooped-jerseys/

Good grief, what kind of drugs are they on. Surely they can`t believe that, this has to be an undercover agent on the wind up!

[Dashing Bob S]

The really damning thing about Hearts’ demise and probable relegation is the behaviour and attitude of both the management of the club and it’s supporters as they sink slowly into a situation in the championship where they will be despised by all the other clubs. Their belligerence, lying and straw clutching venom has little effect other than burning the slender bridges they need to be in place for an eventual return to the Premiership. They’ll get no quarter given and they’ll be the team that everyone wants to beat. They remind me of the stereotypical guilty prisoner being dragged, screaming his innocence, to the gallows. Their drop could very well be fatal as well.

More like minor league nonces thrown onto the lifer's wing.

[Aldo]

For year ended 30 June 2019 our costs were £10.6 m therefore just under £0.9m per month. There's were £14.7m therefore £1.23m per month, a difference of about £330k per month.

Cheers Brog.


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[A Hi-Bee]

Just askin like!

[Waxy]

Just askin like!

Soon as the league ends.
Which has to, very shortly.

[Tug Wilson]

Likey unpopular perspective but...

As the enormity of this crisis unravels I wouldn’t be too surprised for football to have to rip it up and start again as clubs tinker on the brink.
Hearts will be saved through the demise of others.

As a result if their Vladdish excesses they’ve ended up with a competitive advantage in the additional revenues from FOH at a level unlike other clubs. If this continues they will be better placed to handle a lack of spectators through the gates that other clubs on the brink.

If push cametto shove they already have the donators. Some may dry up as the crisis extends but they have a foundation.

Do folks think we’d flip modes and donate in numbers approaching Hearts?

Totally get where you are coming from but we have seen this argument ever since the creation of FOH.

Having and spending more money than other clubs is not in itself a guarantee of success. As Hearts have ably shown over the last few years.

Season after season we have been told that FOH donations will give Hearts a massive advantage and propel them to 3rd in the league by some margin.

Even with this extra income and also the additional funds from some mysterious benefactors it hasn't even propelled them to 11th!

Until Hearts look to have a sensible fiscal approach then they are doomed to repeat their previous mistakes and actually spend their way into trouble. I don't see fan ownership changing their behaviour. It is in their DNA.

With regard to your question on whether Hibs fans would donate in such numbers then the answer "Don't know". We are not in that position and hopefully never are. Hearts fans make great store out of rallying to the cause to save their club. I am proud that we don't have to.

[Waxy]

Lets ruin Scottish football because hearts dont want to drop to the championship like they deserve?

[Aldo]

Lets ruin Scottish football because hearts dont want to drop to the championship like they deserve?

Exactly. Who says cheats never prosper. I’m still confident they won’t get another 10 votes to push this through!


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[ballengeich]

🤣 they choose expelled over on brokeback as it takes the sting out of relegation slightly. You are normally expelled for doing something wrong so they are definitely on the right path with that, expelled because you are horse ****

Fair enough. If they've been expelled they won't be claiming the parachute payment that's made to relegated teams. After all, it's a club with principles.

[Waxy]

Will Dundee utd vote as a SPFL club or championship club?
The Championship clubs will probably vote it down themselves anyway?

Do Cove vote as a league 1 side?
Them Clyde Forfar and Peterhead will also vote that down.

[The 90+2]

Will Dundee utd vote as a SPFL club or championship club?
The Championship clubs will probably vote it down themselves anyway?

Do Cove vote as a league 1 side?
Them Clyde Forfar and Peterhead will also vote that down.

The only issue would be Dundee Utd, the rest will all change places for the next vote as the season has been declared. Dundee Utd have not as yet been declared promoted I don’t think.

[G B Young]

It would appear Hearts have only been able to confirm wage cuts today. I thought the final, final, absolute take it or you're sacked deadline set by the 'top businesswoman' (after a bitter and protracted stand-off) was at the start of last week?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52470316

[The 90+2]

It would appear Hearts have only been able to confirm wage cuts today. I thought the final, final, absolute take it or you're sacked deadline set by the 'top businesswoman' (after a bitter and protracted stand-off) was at the start of last week?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52470316

Nothing ever asked about bullying and threatening the players to take the cuts? Not one text to McGlaughlin or English from the Pfa saying so either? Hmm.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I actually think this is what Hearts are waiting on. Smacks of Dundee syndrome again by delaying the inevitable administration to ensure no points lost. Some of the teams above them may go into admin or worse and that is where I think Hearts are playing the game.

Put it another way - who’s last man standing?

The one reliant on football and spectators returning but otherwise run a tight ship, pay players and their bills or one less reliant on gate receipts cos the vlad-sheep continued their loyalty to something that may never appear (share certificates anyone?) and prepared to shaft their players and suppliers/partners/creditors to save their skin? There’s only a finite amount of time either can be sustained. FTHMFC This benefactor thing stinks as well.

[brog]

The only issue would be Dundee Utd, the rest will all change places for the next vote as the season has been declared. Dundee Utd have not as yet been declared promoted I don’t think.
Dundee Utd have been declared champs/promoted which is why Hearts are desperately wanting reorg.

[04Sauzee]

It would appear Hearts have only been able to confirm wage cuts today. I thought the final, final, absolute take it or you're sacked deadline set by the 'top businesswoman' (after a bitter and protracted stand-off) was at the start of last week?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52470316

She's delighted to confirm cuts. Bet she's delightedm she's some woman

[007]

It would appear Hearts have only been able to confirm wage cuts today. I thought the final, final, absolute take it or you're sacked deadline set by the 'top businesswoman' (after a bitter and protracted stand-off) was at the start of last week?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52470316

You're not suggesting there's been some lying going on surely?

[The 90+2]

Dundee Utd have been declared champs/promoted which is why Hearts are desperately wanting reorg.

👍 until the Premier is declared tho Utd can’t take gunts place in voting.

[MrSmith]

Put it another way - who’s last man standing?

The one reliant on football and spectators returning but otherwise run a tight ship, pay players and their bills or one less reliant on gate receipts cos the vlad-sheep continued their loyalty to something that may never appear (share certificates anyone?) and prepared to shaft their players and suppliers/partners/creditors to save their skin? There’s only a finite amount of time either can be sustained. FTHMFC This benefactor thing stinks as well.

That’s exactly how it is. Just unbelievably insular and selfish.

[grunt]

Can't believe no one has posted the latest Hearts statement on here?
A strong entry to the statement league.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/supporter-update-may-5th-2020

[MrSmith]

Can't believe no one has posted the latest Hearts statement on here?
A strong entry to the statement league.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/supporter-update-may-5th-2020

just did thanks 🙏 interesting they don’t have any payment plan available for season tickets?? They really must need the entirety of season tix money right now of which, must put them in a precarious position.

[SingaporeHibs]

Now is not the time for any Football club to find themselves overstretched. The Jambos are totally skint and with relegation they are going to struggle to bounce back in these circumstances.. FoH are surely going to see a lot of people cancel payments as folk struggle with employment etc etc. Not sure where the benefactor has gone but not heard much recently on that front. It’s going to be a painful time down gorgie and their problems are all self made. It was a miracle they got away with Romanov’s era. What did they learn from that? Clearly nothing, straight back to spending a fortune on that horrifically expensive main stand. Christ, it’s still not even complete. It’s hilarious.
They deserve everything that’s coming to them.

[G B Young]

She's delighted to confirm cuts. Bet she's delightedm she's some woman

Not cuts, "salary changes". :faf:

[Waxy]

It would appear Hearts have only been able to confirm wage cuts today. I thought the final, final, absolute take it or you're sacked deadline set by the 'top businesswoman' (after a bitter and protracted stand-off) was at the start of last week?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52470316
They really are Edinburgh Rangers.

[Bostonhibby]

Not cuts, "salary changes". :faf:Levein and McPhee both got Gorgie style salary changes when they lost their jobs months ago but actually didn't and are still being paid rather than binned, another universe entirely and it stems from the top which is pleasing, as they say.

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[Barney McGrew]

They’ve got a brass neck bleating about what they’re doing with the Big Hearts charity seeing that they stiffed them for £34k

[Tommy75]

Why are Hearts getting such an easy time of it in the media over the disgusting treatment of their players. If any other business was threatening their staff with the sack unless they took a pay cut the media would be all over this. Such a horrible little club with no morals.

[Sammy7nil]

just did thanks 🙏 interesting they don’t have any payment plan available for season tickets?? They really must need the entirety of season tix money right now of which, must put them in a precarious position.

They do have a payment plan

We had announced that we would be changing finance provider to V12 for the 20/21 season. There was, as previously advised, a delay in the process (completely outwith our control) and as a consequence were unable to make finance available when we launched. As a result of COVID-19, unfortunately, V12 have had a change of policy with regard to football club finance. Since the proposed changes to their terms would disadvantage the club, we have decided to continue our relationship with Premium Credit. They have confirmed that they are happy to continue to offer our supporters the same interest rates and payment plan options as they provided this season.

We plan to launch this finance option later this week.

[MrSmith]

They do have a payment plan

We had announced that we would be changing finance provider to V12 for the 20/21 season. There was, as previously advised, a delay in the process (completely outwith our control) and as a consequence were unable to make finance available when we launched. As a result of COVID-19, unfortunately, V12 have had a change of policy with regard to football club finance. Since the proposed changes to their terms would disadvantage the club, we have decided to continue our relationship with Premium Credit. They have confirmed that they are happy to continue to offer our supporters the same interest rates and payment plan options as they provided this season.

We plan to launch this finance option later this week.

you are right! Serves me right for getting bored after two or three paragraphs.

[The 90+2]

They do have a payment plan

We had announced that we would be changing finance provider to V12 for the 20/21 season. There was, as previously advised, a delay in the process (completely outwith our control) and as a consequence were unable to make finance available when we launched. As a result of COVID-19, unfortunately, V12 have had a change of policy with regard to football club finance. Since the proposed changes to their terms would disadvantage the club, we have decided to continue our relationship with Premium Credit. They have confirmed that they are happy to continue to offer our supporters the same interest rates and payment plan options as they provided this season.

We plan to launch this finance option later this week.

So they wanted to change to another provider, they said ram it and now they’re back to the original one? Top business management that is.

[jacomo]

just did thanks 🙏 interesting they don’t have any payment plan available for season tickets?? They really must need the entirety of season tix money right now of which, must put them in a precarious position.


It’s how successful businesswomen operating professional football clubs that are the envy of the entire country operate. Put your Season Tickets on sale without a payment plan in place.

Truly, they are the leaders and the rest of us merely followers.

[greenpaper55]

I see in the statement they have sold just over 2 K season tickets !

[Billy Whizz]

I see in the statement they have sold just over 2 K season tickets !

Only been on sale a couple weeks
That’s quite a good number for Edinburgh’s 2nd best team

[AltheHibby]

My family Duncanette is whining that people are trying to bulldoze them into bankruptcy.

Oh, so it's everybody else and not Budge's serial mismanagement.6

[Aldo]

My family Duncanette is whining that people are trying to drive them into bankruptcy.

Oh, so it's everybody else and not Budge's serial mismanagement.

It’s what you’d expect from them tbh. Everyone else’s fault bar their own!


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[Hibeesmad]

I will enjoy a cold can of lager the day the SPFL announce their relegation.

[munchar]

I will enjoy a cold can of lager the day the SPFL announce their relegation.

Think I’ll join you sir. May even invest in a take away meal also. 🍺 🥘 🎉🎈🥳

[Mr Grieves]

I see in the statement they have sold just over 2 K season tickets !

To be fair, it's the same number they had sold at the same stage last year

[007]

My family Duncanette is whining that people are trying to bulldoze them into bankruptcy.

Oh, so it's everybody else and not Budge's serial mismanagement.6

I assume he does not listen to Sportsound or read Barry Anderson & co then.

[Irish_Steve]

It would appear Hearts have only been able to confirm wage cuts today. I thought the final, final, absolute take it or you're sacked deadline set by the 'top businesswoman' (after a bitter and protracted stand-off) was at the start of last week?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52470316

"This commitment from all of our players, backroom team and off-field staff, which will to help maintain the long-term sustainability of the club, is hugely appreciated and we thank everyone for their continued support"


Yes, the commitment after the players were threatened with the sack - Stalin would be proud of that statement above

[Waxy]

My family Duncanette is whining that people are trying to bulldoze them into bankruptcy.

Oh, so it's everybody else and not Budge's serial mismanagement.6

There own fault. If they’re no good at ownership level well, it can only end in disaster.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

"This commitment from all of our players, backroom team and off-field staff, which will to help maintain the long-term sustainability of the club, is hugely appreciated and we thank everyone for their continued support"


Yes, the commitment after the players were threatened with the sack - Stalin would be proud of that statement above

That ship sailed paying the wages you do, or should I say did.

[Lunatic]

"This commitment from all of our players, backroom team and off-field staff, which will to help maintain the long-term sustainability of the club, is hugely appreciated and we thank everyone for their continued support"


Yes, the commitment after the players were threatened with the sack - Stalin would be proud of that statement above

And we all look forward to seeing the level of commitment they show for you in the battleground that is the Scottish Championship next season.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-warn-holyrood-scottish-football-21980010.amp?__twitter_impression=true

I wonder if a govt bailout would only be for top flight clubs?


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[lucky]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-warn-holyrood-scottish-football-21980010.amp?__twitter_impression=true

I wonder if a govt bailout would only be for top flight clubs?


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I can’t see the Scottish government using taxpayers money to bail out football. Our country is heading into massive economic uncertainty which could lead to massive unemployment as such taxpayers money will be needed elsewhere. The public won’t tolerate taxpayers cash being spent on football when the salaries are so high for players, managers and officials compared to those in normal life.

[Springbank]

I can’t see the Scottish government using taxpayers money to bail out football. Our country is heading into massive economic uncertainty which could lead to massive unemployment as such taxpayers money will be needed elsewhere. The public won’t tolerate taxpayers cash being spent on football when the salaries are so high for players, managers and officials compared to those in normal life.

I agree

But I tell you what

The shameless out-of-their-depth impostors in Westminster, like Raab, Gove, Johnson, the people who run England, Wales, Ulster and (for the next few months) Scotland, they wont take the same view.

They will look to bail out clubs down South because it is a short term distraction & they dont care.

They dont care about the consequences
They dont care about you
They dont care about me
They dont care about Scotland
They dont care about the highest death rate going

They only care about the next 24 hour headlines & saving themselves

[Juniper Greens]

I agree

But I tell you what

The shameless out-of-their-depth impostors in Westminster, like Raab, Gove, Johnson, the people who run England, Wales, Ulster and (for the next few months) Scotland, they wont take the same view.

They will look to bail out clubs down South because it is a short term distraction & they dont care.

They dont care about the consequences
They dont care about you
They dont care about me
They dont care about Scotland
They dont care about the highest death rate going

They only care about the next 24 hour headlines & saving themselves

I think they have already bailed out English Rugby League clubs to the tune of £16m. The Torries are doing everything they can to get Northern England on their side.

[Jack]

I think they have already bailed out English Rugby League clubs to the tune of £16m. The Torries are doing everything they can to get Northern England on their side.

That's a loan.

I can see sort of 50/50 the Scottish Government offering something similar.

[greenpaper55]

I agree

But I tell you what

The shameless out-of-their-depth impostors in Westminster, like Raab, Gove, Johnson, the people who run England, Wales, Ulster and (for the next few months) Scotland, they wont take the same view.

They will look to bail out clubs down South because it is a short term distraction & they dont care.

They dont care about the consequences
They dont care about you
They dont care about me
They dont care about Scotland
They dont care about the highest death rate going

They only care about the next 24 hour headlines & saving themselves

Thank you Nicola !

[steviehibsleith]

Engilish football league chairman Parry quoted in the DR saying there has to be relagation in the EPL or lawyers for championship teams will get rich and look for 200 million due to being in breach of tripartite agreement - three party agreement

Can see why UEFA handed over how leagues are called to countries own football association as everyone is different.

[Smartie]

I can’t see the Scottish government using taxpayers money to bail out football. Our country is heading into massive economic uncertainty which could lead to massive unemployment as such taxpayers money will be needed elsewhere. The public won’t tolerate taxpayers cash being spent on football when the salaries are so high for players, managers and officials compared to those in normal life.

It depends on how long we’re talking about but I can’t see this being a huge sum of money. Big bucks are only really earned at 2 Scottish clubs with pretty big wages at maybe 3 or 4 more. That probably doesn’t add up to a lot of people or that much money.

The rest of the Scottish players will probably be fairly normal workers.

The idea of it will be unpalatable to many but in the grand scheme of things (such as huge chunks of the workforce having 80% of their wages paid) we’re probably not talking about massive sums of money.

[Brooster]

I agree

But I tell you what

The shameless out-of-their-depth impostors in Westminster, like Raab, Gove, Johnson, the people who run England, Wales, Ulster and (for the next few months) Scotland, they wont take the same view.

They will look to bail out clubs down South because it is a short term distraction & they dont care.

They dont care about the consequences
They dont care about you
They dont care about me
They dont care about Scotland
They dont care about the highest death rate going

They only care about the next 24 hour headlines & saving themselves

Wrong forum.

[jacomo]

I can’t see the Scottish government using taxpayers money to bail out football. Our country is heading into massive economic uncertainty which could lead to massive unemployment as such taxpayers money will be needed elsewhere. The public won’t tolerate taxpayers cash being spent on football when the salaries are so high for players, managers and officials compared to those in normal life.


The alternative is many football clubs going to the wall and thousands of people unemployed.

Not just football, but the entire entertainment and live event industry is in crisis - and this is a huge source of employment and wealth creation for ‘UK plc’. In Scotland, football clubs really are part of the glue holding many communities together.

Let that go to the wall and the costs further down the line will exceed any bail out now.

Large parts of the economy can probably return to something approaching normality soon - I see no reason why most shops and factories cannot re-open in some way soon.

But football and anything that relies on large crowds? That is a different matter.

[Irish_Steve]

I will enjoy a cold can of lager the day the SPFL announce their relegation.

A can??? Surely a bottle of Corona lol

[hibeerealist]

I agree

But I tell you what

The shameless out-of-their-depth impostors in Westminster, like Raab, Gove, Johnson, the people who run England, Wales, Ulster and (for the next few months) Scotland, they wont take the same view.

They will look to bail out clubs down South because it is a short term distraction & they dont care.

They dont care about the consequences
They dont care about you
They dont care about me
They dont care about Scotland
They dont care about the highest death rate going

They only care about the next 24 hour headlines & saving themselves

Ah we are a political forum now

[greenpaper55]

In a way football clubs are lucky in that they are getting money from ST sales in advance , no other leisure industry such as cinemas theatres etc will be so well supported.

[CraigHibee]

A can??? Surely a bottle of Corona lol

:rolleyes:

[04Sauzee]

Only been on sale a couple weeks
That’s quite a good number for Edinburgh’s 2nd best team

They launched 14th April
Think we were around 27th March
We had sold 3k on 10th April

Not knocking Hearts as i think all clubs sales are doing more than OK

[Hibernianinc]

That's a loan.

I can see sort of 50/50 the Scottish Government offering something similar.

I agree.

Those clubs who need liquidity most will be delighted to secure access to cash that is not 'football debt'.

Personally I support the principle, but will clubs (two in particular) meet their repayment obligations? :confused:

[Smartie]

Financial help is a reasonable idea but it has the potential to be abused by the usual suspects.

[Blaster]

I agree.

Those clubs who need liquidity most will be delighted to secure access to cash that is not 'football debt'.

Personally I support the principle, but will clubs (two in particular) meet their repayment obligations? :confused:

It could be taken from future prize money

Government loan an amount and the SPFL pay back so much per year from the overall prize fund before it gets passed out to the clubs

[Ozyhibby]

It could be taken from future prize money

Government loan an amount and the SPFL pay back so much per year from the overall prize fund before it gets passed out to the clubs

Taking on new debt is not a good idea. It will hamper clubs for years.


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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Financial help is a reasonable idea but it has the potential to be abused by the usual suspects.

Hearts should go back to their pals in the Lithuanian government

I'm sure they'd love to help them again

[Blaster]

Taking on new debt is not a good idea. It will hamper clubs for years.


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Depends I guess how long lockdown will be. If clubs are going to go bust then better reducing slightly future prize money to keep them open in the short term

[munchar]

Hearts are it it!!
The benefactor has just disappeared? He/she will be back. Budge could also bail them out, but they’re forcing the players to take pay cuts. You watch, operating funds will miraculously appear next season. They’re just shafting they’re own employees. Horrible & embarrassing excuse for a football club.

[Ozyhibby]

Depends I guess how long lockdown will be. If clubs are going to go bust then better reducing slightly future prize money to keep them open in the short term

If the lockdown looks like being extenddd in Scotland and clubs can’t play until next year the they will have to cut costs massively. That means cutting all staff and putting the business into hibernation. The only way to avoid this would be govt support.


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[hibeerealist]

Hearts should go back to their pals in the Lithuanian government

I'm sure they'd love to help them again

The Lithuanian pensioners, I cant recall any Lith Govt money or am I wrong?

[jacomo]

Hearts are it it!!
The benefactor has just disappeared? He/she will be back. Budge could also bail them out, but they’re forcing the players to take pay cuts. You watch, operating funds will miraculously appear next season. They’re just shafting they’re own employees. Horrible & embarrassing excuse for a football club.


It’s very simple. Budge has temporarily lost Benny Factor’s phone number.

She is likely to find it again just in time to outbid other more prudent clubs for an expensive striker.

[Jones28]

It’s very simple. Budge has temporarily lost Benny Factor’s phone number.

She is likely to find it again just in time to outbid other more prudent clubs for an expensive striker.

She can find it in the phone book, between Benny Hill and Ben Dover.

[The Count]

The Government is talking about Bounce Back Loans for businesses.So Budgie can apply for one to help the Jambos in the Championship.Problem solved.

[Waxy]

She can find it in the phone book, between Benny Hill and Ben Dover.

If hearts (or Benny) Can find a £6000 a week striker in a three year deal while they’re favorites for the drop well?
They are much more equipped than anyone to take the drop to the championship for a year or two.

[Hibernianinc]

It could be taken from future prize money

Government loan an amount and the SPFL pay back so much per year from the overall prize fund before it gets passed out to the clubs

A good suggestion :agree:

I do wonder if a club owned by fans (taxpayers) may in the future argue they don't have to pay it back as they owe it to themselves?

[Bostonhibby]

A good suggestion :agree:

I do wonder if a club owned by fans (taxpayers) may in the future argue they don't have to pay it back as they owe it to themselves?[emoji106][emoji16]

They'll not need to borrow anything if they just decide when to declare themselves self sufficient again. Worked well last time.

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[Coco Bryce]

Hearts are it it!!
The benefactor has just disappeared? He/she will be back. Budge could also bail them out, but they’re forcing the players to take pay cuts. You watch, operating funds will miraculously appear next season. They’re just shafting they’re own employees. Horrible & embarrassing excuse for a football club.

I think Budge is their benefactor.

[Spike Mandela]

I think Budge is their benefactor.

You think the woman who issues a statement every time she has eggs for breakfast would keep quiet about this fact? Really?

[Keith_M]

If the lockdown looks like being extenddd in Scotland and clubs can’t play until next year the they will have to cut costs massively. That means cutting all staff and putting the business into hibernation. The only way to avoid this would be govt support.


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If there's to be a long term shutdown, it might be the case that putting the business into hibernation would be the only option.

As long as the clubs can keep their stadium's in reasonable condition, and out of the reach of business predators, then they could resume later.

The problem is with players contracts, which could cripple the clubs if they're to keep them going.

[greenginger]

I think Budge is their benefactor.


No chance , Edinburgh Council would be my bet, and their spare cash is all tied up for the moment. :greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

You think the woman who issues a statement every time she has eggs for breakfast would keep quiet about this fact? Really?

Yes. Her investment is going tits up under her leadership and she know it. Trying to keep them and her investment afloat.

Why would she admit she's made a complete woman's front of it?

[Bostonhibby]

Yes. Her investment is going tits up under her leadership and she know it. Trying to keep them and her investment afloat.

Why would she admit she's made a complete woman's front of it?She'd be better of turning the whole thing over to the Guardian's golfing rugger boy, he sounds like a guy who knows what he's doing and has all the best contacts by the sounds of it.[emoji849]

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[cocteautwin]

Hearts are it it!!
The benefactor has just disappeared? He/she will be back. Budge could also bail them out, but they’re forcing the players to take pay cuts. You watch, operating funds will miraculously appear next season. They’re just shafting they’re own employees. Horrible & embarrassing excuse for a football club.

I think this is the case also. They’ve seen an opportunity to offload an overpaid underperforming team and are using the virus as an excuse to make this happen.

I think we’ll see benefactor contributions of c£5m in the current financial year and something similar in 20/21.

[brog]

No chance , Edinburgh Council would be my bet, and their spare cash is all tied up for the moment. :greengrin

Much though I share your distaste for some of EC's financial chicanery with Hearts, I think the sums are just too large for them to be Benny. £3.25m for last season alone would have to be shown in EC's accounts & anyone trying to hide it could end up in the pokey!

[Argylehibby]

It’s very simple. Budge has temporarily lost Benny Factor’s phone number.

She is likely to find it again just in time to outbid other more prudent clubs for an expensive striker.

More likely that Benny has blocked her calls.

[The 90+2]

More likely that Benny has blocked her calls.

Nah, they will pick and choose when to put money in/cover up cracks. They can’t ask for players to take cuts and have Benny kicking about, they already got caught with that leaked email to agents.

[The Count]

I just do not get this benefactor thing.We have a fit and proper test in Scotland to own a club ( how King got through that is questionable).So surely a club has to declare to the football authorities where money is coming from.If not it could be laundered money from anywhere.Once passed by the football authorities then a club is within its rights if the doner requests to keep it private.So the question is do the SPL and SFA know the benefactor and are happy with the source of the money?

[hibbyfraelibby]

More likely that Benny has blocked her calls.

She's blocked herself?

[brog]

I just do not get this benefactor thing.We have a fit and proper test in Scotland to own a club ( how King got through that is questionable).So surely a club has to declare to the football authorities where money is coming from.If not it could be laundered money from anywhere.Once passed by the football authorities then a club is within its rights if the doner requests to keep it private.So the question is do the SPL and SFA know the benefactor and are happy with the source of the money?

Exactly my thoughts. Even paying in small cheques now comes under scrutiny, supposedly to prevent money laundering, but Hearts get £3,25m in donations without identification of the donor(s).

[CropleyWasGod]

I just do not get this benefactor thing.We have a fit and proper test in Scotland to own a club ( how King got through that is questionable).So surely a club has to declare to the football authorities where money is coming from.If not it could be laundered money from anywhere.Once passed by the football authorities then a club is within its rights if the doner requests to keep it private.So the question is do the SPL and SFA know the benefactor and are happy with the source of the money?

The money will have already been subject to money laundering checks by the banks, auditors and lawyers involved. The SFA are entitled, IMO, to rely on them. And, if they don't, they are entitled to ask the appropriate questions; that part of the process has to be confidential.

[greenginger]

O
Much though I share your distaste for some of EC's financial chicanery with Hearts, I think the sums are just too large for them to be Benny. £3.25m for last season alone would have to be shown in EC's accounts & anyone trying to hide it could end up in the pokey!


Maybe, but don’t forget it was just a few years ago they tried to get a motion through the Council to make it policy that they would build a whole new stadium for their favourite Edinburgh team.

Also, it was just last year they sold off an acre of council land to HoMFC to house their new stand for the sum of £ 1.

The councils budget is about £ 1.3 billion, a few million to a “ good “ cause would never be missed. :greengrin

Until Benny Factor is revealed the council will remain on my suspects list.

[FilipinoHibs]

The Lithuanian pensioners, I cant recall any Lith Govt money or am I wrong?

The black hole in UKIO bankas led it to be declared bankrupt. Depositors from the bank lost their money but the government had to carry out a €300 billion bailout so the bank's operations could be transferred to another bank. About a quarter of the bailout was down to loans to Hearts via Romanov's investment vehicle UBIG. The government issued new debt to fund the bailout, so the whole Lithuanian people have the burden of paying back this loan.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-have-strong-legal-case-if-they-are-ejected-spfl-premiership-2844719

Aye, ok Lesley

[speedy_gonzales]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-have-strong-legal-case-if-they-are-ejected-spfl-premiership-2844719

Aye, ok Lesley

Following these EEN stories, and BAndersons Twitter feed, there definitely seems to be an air of desperation around our Gorgie chums just now.
Maybe a sudden realisation of their situation followed by a lot of straw clutching?

[PatHead]

Following these EEN stories, and BAndersons Twitter feed, there definitely seems to be an air of desperation around our Gorgie chums just now.
Maybe a sudden realisation of their situation followed by a lot of straw clutching?

But, but, but it's no fair.

[TrinityHibs]

The black hole in UKIO bankas led it to be declared bankrupt. Depositors from the bank lost their money but the government had to carry out a €300 billion bailout so the bank's operations could be transferred to another bank. About a quarter of the bailout was down to loans to Hearts via Romanov's investment vehicle UBIG. The government issued new debt to fund the bailout, so the whole Lithuanian people have the burden of paying back this loan.

You saying Hearts burned 75 billion euros? They must have built another stand

[007]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-have-strong-legal-case-if-they-are-ejected-spfl-premiership-2844719

Aye, ok Lesley

Seems like a Jambo bullying/coercion tacting, albeit done indirectly via Leslie Deans, trying to pressurise the SPFL and the other clubs to give them their reconstruction. Hopefully it backfires on them with other clubs seeing through them.

[RyeSloan]

Seems like a Jambo bullying/coercion tacting, albeit done indirectly via Leslie Deans, trying to pressurise the SPFL and the other clubs to give them their reconstruction. Hopefully it backfires on them with other clubs seeing through them.

Article goes from a headline of ‘strong legal case’ to ‘reasonable chance of success’

As we know Patrick have explored this already and deemed it to costly for the chances of victory along with the length of time it would take.

More noise from the Jambos that hopefully does little to curry favour with everyone else.