The generic Hearts thread

[cabbageandribs1875]

Obviously they’ll announce theses contracts in a press conference both days in The Balmoral hotel. Be as well staying all weekend, the FOH will foot the bill. 👍

would need to be a different venue, the balnoral is Hibs territory, they could maybe make the statements outside the council HQ, they seem to like each other

[Dashing Bob S]

Beautiful sentiment in these difficult times.

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One strives for positivity and hope.

[Dashing Bob S]

Michael Stewart is absolutely spot on about the impact Hearts approach could have on their dressing room.

*Asking footballers to take a pay cut
*So the club can save money
*Money that will then be used to pay a transfer fee to sign YOUR replacement

A lot of Hearts players will be having "WTF" chats with their agents right now

Mentally, they were halfway out the door the minute Ann Budge asked them to take a paycut.
This email about how Hearts are targetting their replacements already (and how the new boys will be paid with the current team's withheld wages) will see many reach 95% "gone already & who cares about Hearts" mode

Indeed. A great tragedy.

[JohnMcM]

Will this hand-clapping for the NHS staff tonight at 8pm be overshadowed by, or seen by our pink chums as jealous copying of their solo hand-clapping on their piazza thing? :greengrin

[JohnM1875]

Will this hand-clapping for the NHS staff tonight at 8pm be overshadowed by, or seen by our pink chums as jealous copying of their solo hand-clapping on their piazza thing? :greengrin

I think the idea only came about because of their solo pizza Clapper.

Everyone is always following their examples don't you know.

[Iggy Pope]

I don't think that's any indication to be honest.

These leagues they're talking about are almost amateur Sunday League level.

There would be an outcry if that happened at the top of English football, for example with Liverpool.

Having spent many seasons playing Sunday League, are they nowt. There are an expanse of long established and well run clubs operating below the three National League levels with history, decent fan bases and money behind them.

Our own Tommy Block came straight out of the Isthmian League and Corinthian Casuals have a history of England internationalists and FA Cup tussles.
The Northern Premier League for example has recently played hosts to clubs formerly from further up the pyramid like Barrow and Chester and clubs who have made it back up to the EFL (or up there for a first time) like Fleetwood, Accrington Stanley, Macclesfield Town and Burton Albion. Past 25 years has seen Forest Green Rovers and Newport County get out of the Southern League and up to the EFL in time.

Never comfortable when the old ‘pub league / Sunday league’ stuff gets trotted out.

[Sir David Gray]

Having spent many seasons playing Sunday League, are they nowt. There are an expanse of long established and well run clubs operating below the three National League levels with history, decent fan bases and money behind them.

Our own Tommy Block came straight out of the Isthmian League and Corinthian Casuals have a history of England internationalists and FA Cup tussles.
The Northern Premier League for example has recently played hosts to clubs formerly from further up the pyramid like Barrow and Chester and clubs who have made it back up to the EFL (or up there for a first time) like Fleetwood, Accrington Stanley, Macclesfield Town and Burton Albion. Past 25 years has seen Forest Green Rovers and Newport County get out of the Southern League and up to the EFL in time.

Never comfortable when the old ‘pub league / Sunday league’ stuff gets trotted out.

Like I said above, I stand corrected.

[Iggy Pope]

Like I said above, I stand corrected.

Have you? Aw, bugger.

[tanfield]

In her statement she mentions that Banks will not loan Hearts Money . This is not a Hearts problem but a football one...

I thought Banks didn’t loan money to clubs that had gone into administration

Is this correct and if needed Football clubs in general can get a loan from a bank

I work for a Bank that has been involved with most of Scotland's football clubs and there is zero appetite to lend to professional sports clubs regardless of their solvency history.

[Haymaker]

Having spent many seasons playing Sunday League, are they nowt. There are an expanse of long established and well run clubs operating below the three National League levels with history, decent fan bases and money behind them.

Our own Tommy Block came straight out of the Isthmian League and Corinthian Casuals have a history of England internationalists and FA Cup tussles.
The Northern Premier League for example has recently played hosts to clubs formerly from further up the pyramid like Barrow and Chester and clubs who have made it back up to the EFL (or up there for a first time) like Fleetwood, Accrington Stanley, Macclesfield Town and Burton Albion. Past 25 years has seen Forest Green Rovers and Newport County get out of the Southern League and up to the EFL in time.

Never comfortable when the old ‘pub league / Sunday league’ stuff gets trotted out.

My mates the Casuals manager (and my other mates the keeper!) Very decent standard and decent support. And amateur as well.

[Ozyhibby]

I work for a Bank that has been involved with most of Scotland's football clubs and there is zero appetite to lend to professional sports clubs regardless of their solvency history.

Quite right too because you can’t collect on the securities they offer and the minute they default clubs mount a publicity campaign against the bank.
BoS also worked with Murray to disadvantage other clubs while giving favourable treatment to old Rangers. It all came out when Lloyd’s took they pulled right back from Scottish football altogether. Celtic had moved away from BoS when Fergus McCann took over because he realised pretty quickly they were working to Rangers advantage. At the time the whole premier league were with BoS.


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[Iggy Pope]

My mates the Casuals manager (and my other mates the keeper!) Very decent standard and decent support. And amateur as well.

Invited to Brazil to play last year?

[jacomo]

I think the idea only came about because of their solo pizza Clapper.

Everyone is always following their examples don't you know.


Hearts won WWI and now they’ve saved the NHS.

I think we just have to accept they are superior on every way.

[tanfield]

Quite right too because you can’t collect on the securities they offer and the minute they default clubs mount a publicity campaign against the bank.
BoS also worked with Murray to disadvantage other clubs while giving favourable treatment to old Rangers. It all came out when Lloyd’s took they pulled right back from Scottish football altogether. Celtic had moved away from BoS when Fergus McCann took over because he realised pretty quickly they were working to Rangers advantage. At the time the whole premier league were with BoS.


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To be fair, I think when Lloyds came in and looked at the Bank's books their first question would have been WTF?!?

[jacomo]

To be fair, I think when Lloyds came in and looked at the Bank's books their first question would have been WTF?!?


Yes and the atmosphere at the time was supportive of cutting loose junk assets or bad loans.

It’s true that banks want well out of football these days. Even the EPL borrows from other forms of finance.

[Haymaker]

Invited to Brazil to play last year?

Danny the keeper did, he's on the documentary. Was in 2015 though I think, they went to Hungary to play an amateur tournament last summer.

[G B Young]

More and more like Trump - implying that everyone else is fake news, and only trust our communications...

"please use our website and our social media channels as your source for accurate information" :rolleyes:

Been out of the loop most of today attending to things that matter a great deal more in these extraordinary times, but it's perversely reassuring in some ways to see that, no matter what the world is hit with, some things remain guaranteed - like an interminable Ann Budge statement every time a few big bad journalists dare to question her (mis)management of Hearts. They've started to out-Sevco Sevco when it comes to this sort of guff.

How about just getting the head down like the vast majority of clubs - and indeed the vast majority of businesses across the nation - who are doing their best to navigate their way through unprecedented times and not bleating their woes to anyone who will listen? Aside from her lapdogs at the Evening News (and probably the likes of Tom English), who have happily bought into her attempt to spin this as Hearts leading the football world when it comes to business acumen, she's been called out by those who feel there are justifiable criticisms to be made and she can't handle it.

I'd all but lost interest in what eventually happens to this football season and was coming round to the view that it should simply be voided. But reading that self-congratulatory claptrap makes me really hope it gets ended as things stand and the yams are relegated.

[munchar]

"please use our website and our social media channels as your source for accurate information" :rolleyes:

Been out of the loop most of today attending to things that matter a great deal more in these extraordinary times, but it's perversely reassuring in some ways to see that, no matter what the world is hit with, some things remain guaranteed - like an interminable Ann Budge statement every time a few big bad journalists dare to question her (mis)management of Hearts. They've started to out-Sevco Sevco when it comes to this sort of guff.

How about just getting the head down like the vast majority of clubs - and indeed the vast majority of businesses across the nation - who are doing their best to navigate their way through unprecedented times and not bleating their woes to anyone who will listen? Aside from her lapdogs at the Evening News (and probably the likes of Tom English), who have happily bought into her attempt to spin this as Hearts leading the football world when it comes to business acumen, she's been called out by those who feel there are justifiable criticisms to be made and she can't handle it.

I'd all but lost interest in what eventually happens to this football season and was coming round to the view that it should simply be voided. But reading that self-congratulatory claptrap makes me really hope it gets ended as things stand and the yams are relegated.



👏 confirm placings, pay 💰 clubs for finishing positions, then we can start slowly shaping our squad for next season.

[jacomo]

"please use our website and our social media channels as your source for accurate information" :rolleyes:

Been out of the loop most of today attending to things that matter a great deal more in these extraordinary times, but it's perversely reassuring in some ways to see that, no matter what the world is hit with, some things remain guaranteed - like an interminable Ann Budge statement every time a few big bad journalists dare to question her (mis)management of Hearts. They've started to out-Sevco Sevco when it comes to this sort of guff.

How about just getting the head down like the vast majority of clubs - and indeed the vast majority of businesses across the nation - who are doing their best to navigate their way through unprecedented times and not bleating their woes to anyone who will listen? Aside from her lapdogs at the Evening News (and probably the likes of Tom English), who have happily bought into her attempt to spin this as Hearts leading the football world when it comes to business acumen, she's been called out by those who feel there are justifiable criticisms to be made and she can't handle it.

I'd all but lost interest in what eventually happens to this football season and was coming round to the view that it should simply be voided. But reading that self-congratulatory claptrap makes me really hope it gets ended as things stand and the yams are relegated.




:agree:

Well said. The world is concerned with much more serious matters than some poxy maroon football club who feel so affronted at their own insignificance.

Pathetic bleating from a woman who got lucky in the lottery of life and should be counting her blessings.

[Ozyhibby]

[emoji122] confirm placings, pay [emoji383] clubs for finishing positions, then we can start slowly shaping our squad for next season.

I think all new signings will come very late in the day this year for all clubs. Nobody will want to add to their wage bill until they are absolutely sure games are going to start again.


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[munchar]

I think all new signings will come very late in the day this year for all clubs. Nobody will want to add to their wage bill until they are absolutely sure games are going to start again.


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But they can decide whether they want to make Liam signings permanent or send them back. (Docherty/Kamberi/McNulty/Omeonga)

[Deansy]

”We have always lived within our means and have never spent what we did not have.”

Aye,right!!! :rolleyes:


Gotta be honest, when I read that line, an image of Budge - pacing backwards and forwards in her office as she dictated this clap-trap to her secretary - sprang to mind -


"Right, I know those Hibee *******s will also read this so I need a line that they'll notice, one that'll definitely have them wiping their morning coffee/tea off their monitors ....... got it, this one will hit them square in the plums !!"



I could be wrong but I genuinely don't think they've played 'within-their-means' once since 1981-82 - not one single season !

[cocteautwin]

”We have always lived within our means and have never spent what we did not have.”

Aye,right!!! :rolleyes:

That statement is sort of true though. It just so happens that their "means" included £10m from FoH, £5m from Budge, at least £9m from anonymous donor, an extra £2m from an anonymous person for sponsorship and then probably another £4-5m for the current season where they spent the season ticket money in advance and needed further bail out from the donor (or Budge).

Add that lot up and it comes to c£30m.

Should have kept a million back for a rainy day. Clowns.

[Phil MaGlass]

They will be saved by league reconstruction......

[James Stephen]

But they can decide whether they want to make Liam signings permanent or send them back. (Docherty/Kamberi/McNulty/Omeonga)

I suspect we wont be signing anyone, or offering new contracts, until we are sure what is going to happen.

The fact that a few of our higher earners are loans will be a big help at the moment i would imagine.

[Green Badger]

They will be saved by league reconstruction......

I don’t think so, I think there is very little appetite from the majority of clubs or the TV companies for league reconstruction.

[Peevemor]

I thought it was telling that, in yesterday's statement, Budge admitted for the first time that there was a doubt as to what league they'll be playing in next season.

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t think so, I think there is very little appetite from the majority of clubs or the TV companies for league reconstruction.

I agree. Ron’s statement yesterday did not indicate we would look charitably on any proposal that would cut our money available next season. Going to a 14 team league would means a further loss of income on top of the already painful cuts we have suffered. I doubt many clubs will be up for that.


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[Heckys Wheel]

I don’t think so, I think there is very little appetite from the majority of clubs or the TV companies for league reconstruction.

League reconstruction needs to be voted in by 11 of the 12 clubs.

Not a chance in hell most clubs will vote for less games against the old firm. They rely too heavily in that money.

[Ozyhibby]

League reconstruction needs to be voted in by 11 of the 12 clubs.

Not a chance in hell most clubs will vote for less games against the old firm. They rely too heavily in that money.

I thought it was 75% of all 42 clubs? The old 11 of 12 was an old SPL rule.


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[mjhibby]

League reconstruction needs to be voted in by 11 of the 12 clubs.

Not a chance in hell most clubs will vote for less games against the old firm. They rely too heavily in that money.

So it's null and void or as is. As I said before the TV companies will be flexible as these are extraordinary times but it looks likely to as is with sweeteners to Hertz and partick. It's the only common sense solution as most clubs have accepted there will be no football till the end of June and compromising next season just adds to the financial problem. Just need the govt to declare no football till end of may then we can all start planning next season. Maybe get a couple of glamour friendlies to boost coffers but bar that this season is gone.

[mjhibby]

I thought it was telling that, in yesterday's statement, Budge admitted for the first time that there was a doubt as to what league they'll be playing in next season.

She knows the odds it will be the spl are lengthening by the day. The empty threat of legal action when in fact she would be sueing herself as she has to accept the sfa judgements shows she realises she's ****ed up big time. What's the bet once they are relegated she will quietly disappear from view and let others sort the carnage. What a club. I do actually feel for loads of the jambos as a lot are decent folk who have been lied,misled and had their foh contributions totally wasted. I know we all love to lambast them but the money she has wasted is eyewatering. At least Vlad won acouple of trophies but to spend £30m and face relegation is some gigantic feat of incompetence and hubris. It always seems to be the way with them. As we saw with us being in the championship for three years life will go on if they are down there for a couple of years. They are a side I'll equipped to deal with pressure and could well struggle to come straight back up and even if they did they are financially goosed so it's bleak times for them. **** happens I'm afraid.

[mjhibby]

League reconstruction needs to be voted in by 11 of the 12 clubs.

Not a chance in hell most clubs will vote for less games against the old firm. They rely too heavily in that money.

The spl would have to agree to reconstruct before all 42 clubs vote as far as I understand it. The bigot bros constantly blocked it and I'm sure Aberdeen won't be keen on sharing either.

[James Stephen]

So it's null and void or as is. As I said before the TV companies will be flexible as these are extraordinary times but it looks likely to as is with sweeteners to Hertz and partick. It's the only common sense solution as most clubs have accepted there will be no football till the end of June and compromising next season just adds to the financial problem. Just need the govt to declare no football till end of may then we can all start planning next season. Maybe get a couple of glamour friendlies to boost coffers but bar that this season is gone.

The glamour friendlies is actually not a bad shout, as id imagine foreign travel will be off for a while, so big english clubs might welcome that?

[PatHead]

The spl would have to agree to reconstruct before all 42 clubs vote as far as I understand it. The bigot bros constantly blocked it and I'm sure Aberdeen won't be keen on sharing either.

Sure the vote is weighted by division. Premiership needs 11/12,Championship something like 9/12. If it clears these hurdles then a vote over all clubs.

Of course the spfl board could make a decision with a simple majority. There are 5 on the board which includes someone from sevco.

[Caversham Green]

”We have always lived within our means and have never spent what we did not have.”

Aye,right!!! :rolleyes:

To repeat what I said earlier on this thread, they spent £4.6m of this year's income (that's around a third of their annual turnover and seven eighths of the season ticket money they had collected) before 30th June last year. Essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul, which is the opposite of living within their means.

[jacomo]

She knows the odds it will be the spl are lengthening by the day. The empty threat of legal action when in fact she would be sueing herself as she has to accept the sfa judgements shows she realises she's ****ed up big time. What's the bet once they are relegated she will quietly disappear from view and let others sort the carnage. What a club. I do actually feel for loads of the jambos as a lot are decent folk who have been lied,misled and had their foh contributions totally wasted. I know we all love to lambast them but the money she has wasted is eyewatering. At least Vlad won acouple of trophies but to spend £30m and face relegation is some gigantic feat of incompetence and hubris. It always seems to be the way with them. As we saw with us being in the championship for three years life will go on if they are down there for a couple of years. They are a side I'll equipped to deal with pressure and could well struggle to come straight back up and even if they did they are financially goosed so it's bleak times for them. **** happens I'm afraid.


You’d think they would be raising a bit more of a fuss.

As it is, there’s not much to be done if Jambos themselves don’t care that their club is a total shambles.

[FilipinoHibs]

She knows the odds it will be the spl are lengthening by the day. The empty threat of legal action when in fact she would be sueing herself as she has to accept the sfa judgements shows she realises she's ****ed up big time. What's the bet once they are relegated she will quietly disappear from view and let others sort the carnage. What a club. I do actually feel for loads of the jambos as a lot are decent folk who have been lied,misled and had their foh contributions totally wasted. I know we all love to lambast them but the money she has wasted is eyewatering. At least Vlad won acouple of trophies but to spend £30m and face relegation is some gigantic feat of incompetence and hubris. It always seems to be the way with them. As we saw with us being in the championship for three years life will go on if they are down there for a couple of years. They are a side I'll equipped to deal with pressure and could well struggle to come straight back up and even if they did they are financially goosed so it's bleak times for them. **** happens I'm afraid.

She is owed too much money to slip out quietly. £2.4 million for her shares, a £1.9 million loan and her brothers money for the work on the stadium. Funny how the mysterious donator(s) has disappeared again. You needed them when in admin and now. Share transfer delayed till the end of the year. Budge may end up using that money to keep Hearts afloat with FOH agreement of course.

[Ozyhibby]

Sure the vote is weighted by division. Premiership needs 11/12,Championship something like 9/12. If it clears these hurdles then a vote over all clubs.

Of course the spfl board could make a decision with a simple majority. There are 5 on the board which includes someone from sevco.

I don’t think the board can make a reconstruction decision without going to the members?


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[007]

She is owed too much money to slip out quietly. £2.4 million for her shares, a £1.9 million loan and her brothers money for the work on the stadium. Funny how the mysterious donator(s) has disappeared again. You needed them when in admin and now. Share transfer delayed till the end of the year. Budge may end up using that money to keep Hearts afloat with FOH agreement of course.

Has she not been paid back her £2.4m?

[hibsfan7]

But at least she has won the championship and the admin cup

[Heckys Wheel]

I thought it was 75% of all 42 clubs? The old 11 of 12 was an old SPL rule.


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I think it’s 11 of 12 OR a percentage of all clubs.

It was Daryl Broadfoot on Sportsound saying this last week.

Either way, he was pretty sure it was a percentage that was highly unlikely

[CentreLine]

Actually, I can see right through this charade. This is not about shedding deadwood to sign a new squad, she is needing money to replace the £1m pitch after destroying it last year with the vanity project festival concert.

[Seveno]

It seems that the film about Hearts is being shown at 10pm on C4 tonight.

It is called ‘Duncansville’ and described in the Scotsman as an animated comedy.

[Aldo]

If it’s league reconstruction they will have to look at some set up that includes 4 OF games. There is no way they will do any sort of reconstruction that involves less OF games.

I know there is a split just now so if one of them was utterly woeful it may happen however the chances are slim.

The TV companies would want that guarantee!


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[brog]

If it’s league reconstruction they will have to look at some set up that includes 4 OF games. There is no way they will do any sort of reconstruction that involves less OF games.

I know there is a split just now so if one of them was utterly woeful it may happen however the chances are slim.

The TV companies would want that guarantee!


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The story going round with 3 leagues of 14 with an 8-6 split allows for a 4 game OF scenario.

[Aldo]

The story going round with 3 leagues of 14 with an 8-6 split allows for a 4 game OF scenario.

They will definitely do something to protect that fixture. This would also however mean that those living outwith their means along the way will be saved.

[LancsHibs]

Just saw disgraceful scenes on dalry road ...3 guys in hearts tops playing football with a hedgehog.
I was going to call the police but the hedgehog was winning 3.0

[RoYO!]

Cormack at Aberdeen having a veiled pop at budge? He talks of not panicking, no knee jerk reactions.. see it's not just the sun and their pundits Budge!

[mjhibby]

You’d think they would be raising a bit more of a fuss.

As it is, there’s not much to be done if Jambos themselves don’t care that their club is a total shambles.

They do care. I hear decent jambos berating levein,mcphee and the overspend on the stand. They are now calling budges judgement into question but don't dare say it in kickback or they face the backlash. Believe me plenty of then are raging but are keeping stum.....For now.

[jacomo]

They do care. I hear decent jambos berating levein,mcphee and the overspend on the stand. They are now calling budges judgement into question but don't dare say it in kickback or they face the backlash. Believe me plenty of then are raging but are keeping stum.....For now.


Well fair play to them.

Maybe they can become more dominant voices in the months ahead?

Too late for Tynecastle of course - a lack of oversight and critical thinking has alllowed Budge to splurge huge amounts of money on a catastrophically bad rebuilding project, that will hobble their club for decades.

[Dibben]

Just saw disgraceful scenes on dalry road ...3 guys in hearts tops playing football with a hedgehog.
I was going to call the police but the hedgehog was winning 3.0

😂😂😂😂

Stealing this...

[jacomo]

Just saw disgraceful scenes on dalry road ...3 guys in hearts tops playing football with a hedgehog.
I was going to call the police but the hedgehog was winning 3.0


Sure but the hedgehog needs to be careful... one of the Jambos will try to take it home and tell their ma it’s their new girlfriend.

[KingPat4]

Just saw disgraceful scenes on dalry road ...3 guys in hearts tops playing football with a hedgehog.
I was going to call the police but the hedgehog was winning 3.0


:rotflmao:

[Not In The Know]

A clear indication of how organised / well ran a club is behind the scenes will be the speed and message put out launching next (whenever that may be) seasons tickets.

I cant afford to buy one now, but if I could I certainly would.

Launching now is clearly a shout for help from the clubs releasing them.

The jumbos are goosed and haven even released theirs yet.

[cocteautwin]

A clear indication of how organised / well ran a club is behind the scenes will be the speed and message put out launching next (whenever that may be) seasons tickets.

I cant afford to buy one now, but if I could I certainly would.

Launching now is clearly a shout for help from the clubs releasing them.

The jumbos are goosed and haven even released theirs yet.

Well that’s when it starts to get interesting. I wonder how much of next years season ticket money they will spend this season to keep them afloat with no safety net to catch them post 30 June.

[HibbyDave]

Mentioned on another thread but....,
Can anyone confirm if they have paid the rent up to date on their training facility?



Just curious about this. No motive whatsoever.....,but since HW were an (unpaid) creditor last time the balloon went up surely there is a system to avoid this happening again?

[Joe6-2]

She knows the odds it will be the spl are lengthening by the day. The empty threat of legal action when in fact she would be sueing herself as she has to accept the sfa judgements shows she realises she's ****ed up big time. What's the bet once they are relegated she will quietly disappear from view and let others sort the carnage. What a club. I do actually feel for loads of the jambos as a lot are decent folk who have been lied,misled and had their foh contributions totally wasted. I know we all love to lambast them but the money she has wasted is eyewatering. At least Vlad won acouple of trophies but to spend £30m and face relegation is some gigantic feat of incompetence and hubris. It always seems to be the way with them. As we saw with us being in the championship for three years life will go on if they are down there for a couple of years. They are a side I'll equipped to deal with pressure and could well struggle to come straight back up and even if they did they are financially goosed so it's bleak times for them. **** happens I'm afraid.

I don’t care if there are decent jumbos, every one of them took great delight in 1-5 and us staying down for three years

[Hibrandenburg]

Got in from work last night and had a few beers, going on 8pm I was a bit worse for wear and started singing "If you hate the ****ing Jam Tarts clap your hands". I didn't realise just how many people despise them.

[NthCarolinaHibs]

Got in from work last night and had a few beers, going on 8pm I was a bit worse for wear and started singing "If you hate the ****ing Jam Tarts clap your hands". I didn't realise just how many people despise them.
😂😂👍😂😂

[The 90+2]

Mentioned on another thread but....,
Can anyone confirm if they have paid the rent up to date on their training facility?



Just curious about this. No motive whatsoever.....,but since HW were an (unpaid) creditor last time the balloon went up surely there is a system to avoid this happening again?

HW wouldn’t have lost money from it (they would have been given the money back from sports Scotland or similar) so doubt they care really.

[HibbyDave]

HW wouldn’t have lost money from it (they would have been given the money back from sports Scotland or similar) so doubt they care really.

Ah that’s ok then. Wonder why we don’t sell East Mains, train at HW and bump them for the cost too. win win


Just kidding

[ancient hibee]

I saw even Gary MacKay was calling her out in the News the other night.

Meanwhile BBC Scotland is showing reruns of Scottish Cup Finals starting tonight.Guess what the first one is.

[Liberal Hibby]

My mates the Casuals manager (and my other mates the keeper!) Very decent standard and decent support. And amateur as well.

Yup - and the best cheesy chips in the land.

Seen them a couple of times this season and they hosted a magnificent Brazillian festival last summer. Great club.

[K-Zazu]

I saw even Gary MacKay was calling her out in the News the other night.

Meanwhile BBC Scotland is showing reruns of Scottish Cup Finals starting tonight.Guess what the first one is.

What?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

A clear indication of how organised / well ran a club is behind the scenes will be the speed and message put out launching next (whenever that may be) seasons tickets.

I cant afford to buy one now, but if I could I certainly would.

Launching now is clearly a shout for help from the clubs releasing them.

The jumbos are goosed and haven even released theirs yet.

Celtic launched there's a number of weeks ago

[ancient hibee]

What?

One Five.

[GonzoReturns]

One Five.

BBC Glorifying sporting cheating sure the Lithuanian pensioners are enjoying it as well 😔😔😔😔

[Since452]

Might give it a watch. The most tainted cup win in world football history. How both clubs fortunes have changed since that day is staggering

[CentreLine]

One Five.

Ha ha. There will be much 1-5ing tonight because they think we give a flying one. 2016 came along and removed any semblance of pain. Make no mistake, it’s the hearts fans that are squirming now, desperately clinging on to a comfort blanket that is full of holes but hurting to the core that the last team in Edinburgh to win either of the National cup trophies lies in the east.

[xyz23jc]

Ha ha. There will be much 1-5ing tonight because they think we give a flying one. 2016 came along and removed any semblance of pain. Make no mistake, it’s the hearts fans that are squirming now, desperately clinging on to a comfort blanket that is full of holes but hurting to the core that the last team in Edinburgh to win either of the National cup trophies lies in the east.

Will certainly comfort them in the next couple of seasons in the championship no doubt, but why no coverage of the 'EXUBERANT' Scottish cup final game against The The's? As strange as it is predictable! :wink::agree::thumbsup::greengrin

[jacomo]

One Five.


The Comfort Blanket Cup.

Won by cheats.

[jacomo]

One Five.


The Comfort Blanket Cup.

Won by cheats.

[hibbyfraelibby]

If it’s league reconstruction they will have to look at some set up that includes 4 OF games. There is no way they will do any sort of reconstruction that involves less OF games.

I know there is a split just now so if one of them was utterly woeful it may happen however the chances are slim.

The TV companies would want that guarantee!


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Cut the top league to 10 teams. After 3 rounds Top 6 play each other twice total of 37 games. Bottom4 and top 2 of Champ play off home and away same number and top 4 in head to heads go up.

After one season adopt the 12/12 (8/8/8) set up proposed a few years ago and make L1 and L2 top of a regional pyramid.

[Ozyhibby]

Cut the top league to 10 teams. After 3 rounds Top 6 play each other twice total of 37 games. Bottom4 and top 2 of Champ play off home and away same number and top 4 in head to heads go up.

After one season adopt the 12/12 (8/8/8) set up proposed a few years ago and make L1 and L2 top of a regional pyramid.

Just relegate Hearts now, promote Dundee Utd and then do away with promotion and relegation. Let Scotland’s top 12 concentrate on taking the game forward without the threat of relegation.


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[G B Young]

The Comfort Blanket Cup.

Won by cheats.

For all that, they weren't even that good a team and nor was it an especially great performance. We were simply a shambles, though not helped by an inept ref.

I note the next game up is the Motherwell v United 91 final. Now that was a bona fide classic cup final.

[son of haggart]

Yup - and the best cheesy chips in the land.

Seen them a couple of times this season and they hosted a magnificent Brazillian festival last summer. Great club.

A great tradition. Met their archivist a few times. Unfortunately they don't seem to have much on their early games. Their facilities aren't much but a great atmosphere

[tamig]

I saw even Gary MacKay was calling her out in the News the other night.

Meanwhile BBC Scotland is showing reruns of Scottish Cup Finals starting tonight.Guess what the first one is.

I thought the great Medals was maybe changing his tune. Sadly not.

He said Budge had failed in her oversight of the football dept - and went on to list some of the horror stories of the past few years. He then spoiled it all by saying she had done magnificently for the club off the park. Really Garry? Think about it.

[Haymaker]

Yup - and the best cheesy chips in the land.

Seen them a couple of times this season and they hosted a magnificent Brazillian festival last summer. Great club.

Aye, the cheesy chips are class. Beer while you watch the game as well. Love going up there when I am back.

[Waxy]

For all that, they weren't even that good a team and nor was it an especially great performance. We were simply a shambles, though not helped by an inept ref.

I note the next game up is the Motherwell v United 91 final. Now that was a bona fide classic cup final.

Said that all along. Amazing we even got to that final and they we’re lucky also. Two pretty bad teams but we were shocking.Funny thing was after the final is when they decided it was actually the “ultimate see whos the bestest in Edinburgh forever” cup which is a load of cheatin bollacks.

[weecounty hibby]

Just relegate Hearts now, promote Dundee Utd and then do away with promotion and relegation. Let Scotland’s top 12 concentrate on taking the game forward without the threat of relegation.


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I like that kind of forward thinking. You may just have something with that suggestion.

[lord bunberry]

Tam McManus is having a field day on Twitter right now.
https://twitter.com/the_tman10/status/1243606638977781760?s=21

[Joe6-2]

I like that kind of forward thinking. You may just have something with that suggestion.

Yeah but the powers that be could never be that sensible!

[Eyrie]

Cut the top league to 10 teams. After 3 rounds Top 6 play each other twice total of 37 games. Bottom4 and top 2 of Champ play off home and away same number and top 4 in head to heads go up.

After one season adopt the 12/12 (8/8/8) set up proposed a few years ago and make L1 and L2 top of a regional pyramid.

You'd be as well to move directly to the 12/12 (8/8/8) model for next season with Dundee United up and Hearts down.

Although I'm a fan of that structure, I don't want it (or any other change) rushed through without being properly considered first. So no restructuring for season 20/21.

[penihibs]

Ha ha. There will be much 1-5ing tonight because they think we give a flying one. 2016 came along and removed any semblance of pain. Make no mistake, it’s the hearts fans that are squirming now, desperately clinging on to a comfort blanket that is full of holes but hurting to the core that the last team in Edinburgh to win either of the National cup trophies lies in the east.
Just sat and it watched doesn't bother me after 2016🇳🇬
GGTTH.

[HoboHarry]

Just sat and it watched doesn't bother me after 2016🇳🇬
GGTTH.
My plan after the Hearts final was to play golf but because of the result I, well errrrr, played golf anyway. Moved on immediately. Now after the SDG final was an altogether different thing and I was seriously bladdered........:greengrin :drunk::party::drunk:

[The 90+2]

For all that, they weren't even that good a team and nor was it an especially great performance. We were simply a shambles, though not helped by an inept ref.

I note the next game up is the Motherwell v United 91 final. Now that was a bona fide classic cup final.

When’s the 1991 cup final on mate?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5434894/hearts-ann-budge-accept-cuts-suspend-salaries/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Tynecastle not a happy camp it seems. Could be a very expensive route if the PFA take them to court and win.


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[The 90+2]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5434894/hearts-ann-budge-accept-cuts-suspend-salaries/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Tynecastle not a happy camp it seems. Could be a very expensive route if the PFA take them to court and win.


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What an actual disgrace that club are. If I was any of the players that are being clearly threatened I would be terminating my contact with them then taking them to a tribunal in the future for hefty compensation.

[CloudSquall]

She can't have any hope of the season continuing if she is directly threatening to not pay the players needed to drag them out of the relegation spot.

[Keith_M]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5434894/hearts-ann-budge-accept-cuts-suspend-salaries/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Tynecastle not a happy camp it seems. Could be a very expensive route if the PFA take them to court and win.


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Hearts really have no class whatsoever.

It's about time our esteemed Media were calling them out for what they truly are.


Enjoy your tainted 5-1 Final guys, plenty of Lithuanian Pensioners and charities gave a lot of money to pay for it.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200327/89fc802ef6a74bac64ae1fd61db8a0d1.jpg
From PFA Scotland.


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[Kojock]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5434894/hearts-ann-budge-accept-cuts-suspend-salaries/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Tynecastle not a happy camp it seems. Could be a very expensive route if the PFA take them to court and win.


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She really is a horrible old cow.

[Green Blood]

She is clearly playing a game here! Cheapest way to offload ***** is the route she has chosen.

[Joe6-2]

[QUOTE=Green Blood;6128861]She is clearly playing a game here! Cheapest way to offload ***** is the route she has chosen.[/

This bit bugged me....
‘And now stars at other clubs are terrified their bosses will follow suit.’

Again making out she is ahead of the game?!

[Greenworld]

I really dont know any of the finance facts at tynecastle but their seems to be an urgency to indicate they do not have money to pay April salaries .

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[Ozyhibby]

I really dont know any of the finance facts at tynecastle but their seems to be an urgency to indicate they do not have money to pay April salaries .

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It certainly appears that way. They appear to be panicking big time.


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[007]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5434894/hearts-ann-budge-accept-cuts-suspend-salaries/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Tynecastle not a happy camp it seems. Could be a very expensive route if the PFA take them to court and win.


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Surely the backroom staff don't have such a clause in their contracts if it is a standard SPFL contract yet she's trying to force them to take the pay cut too.

What's the deal with them having to say to their bank to return any payments they receive from Hearts? Just don't send any money to the player after the cut off date, or are they expecting to be incompetent and make payments they don't intend to?

[04Sauzee]

Hope big Ron and Leeann haven't been on the phone to Budge the last week on tips on how to run a football club.

[weecounty hibby]

They are so ****ing toytown it is unbelievable. Big and famous? Famous for being a total laughing stock, famous for being a disgrace if an employer, famous for shafting charities, famous for shafting HMRC, famous for shafting many businesses. Big if you are compared to pub league teams but even some of them are better run than hearts. There have been clubs like Berwick and Nairn who have promised to pay their way and help others and this lot are threatening to suspend salaries, aye big club right enough. Hope relegation and going tits up again really hurts

[Lee Marvin]

I've literally never hated them more.

She is an absolute disgrace. Horrendous woman. Horrendous club.

[Carheenlea]

Budge is proper Hearts :agree:

[cocteautwin]

If they can’t afford to pay the players the Administrators should be called in.

[007]

Wonder if the Barnsley guy would have paid the staff and players their full salaries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52066527

Budge has been paid back her loan but hasn't handed ownership over to the fans yet so denying them the opportunity to hear what the Barnsley fella had to say without even consulting them first.

[Oscar T Grouch]

If they can’t afford to pay the players the Administrators should be called in.

Not paying their players is a standard practice for these gimps, they've been let off with it before, they'll do it again. When HMRC want their next PAYE/NI payment, they'll not be palmed off.

[Ozyhibby]

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We could all learn from Anne.[emoji849]


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[murray26]

If they can’t afford to pay the players the Administrators should be called in.

Absolutely 👍👍 otherwise it’s just them gaining an advantage on there opponents again..

[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely [emoji106][emoji106] otherwise it’s just them gaining an advantage on there opponents again..

Pretty sure failure to pay players incurs a points penalty.


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[brog]

Pretty sure failure to pay players incurs a points penalty.


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First sanction IIRC is that they can only play U 20 players. The timescale has been drastically reduced also, 2 days I think. Ironically was changed after Hearts' wage defaults in 2013. I posted last week that i thought that this was what the 50% 'offer' was all about. Looking very like that now.

[brog]

First sanction IIRC is that they can only play U 20 players. The timescale has been drastically reduced also, 2 days I think. Ironically was changed after Hearts' wage defaults in 2013. I posted last week that i thought that this was what the 50% 'offer' was all about. Looking very like that now.

I should say, they're obviously now trying to avoid these sanctions by utilising this previously unknown rule which comes into play when the league is suspended. This could run & run!!

[murray26]

Pretty sure failure to pay players incurs a points penalty.


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If not what is the point in playing fair.. absolute farce if there is next to no punishment.

[Green Blood]

Is it just me or does Ann Budge look twenty years older! Noticed she hides her turtleneck with a turtleneck! She is in it beyond her capabilities, waiting for the announcement that Potter and Weasley have been given the job to steer them to safety!

[CloudSquall]

Surely they could organise an indoor game vs one of the numerous global teams they have a special relationship with to raise funds?

[Green Blood]

Surely they could organise an indoor game vs one of the numerous global teams they have a special relationships with to raise funds?


Its either Dukla Pumpherston or Bathgate. They considered a game against Hibs ladies but were worried that a poor result would have an effect on morale!

[Onion]

Hearts cheating and weaselling their way through life. Only the Yams.

[WoreTheGreen]

Surely they could organise an indoor game vs one of the numerous global teams they have a special relationships with to raise funds?

Nah Bonny rose are to busy

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200327/2d045a8a61d109e336d80f19e4035959.jpg
We could all learn from Anne.[emoji849]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkStuff like this is why they deserve everything that's coming their way.

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[jacomo]

Many businesses are struggling right. Many difficult conversations are happening as people try to work out what to do.

But only Hearts publicly threaten their own staff with the sack (not just the players) as soon as they can. Then brag about how they have no debt and are so well run.

I used to think Budge was just out of her depth but now I think she’s a bit of a ****bag.

[Ozyhibby]

Hearts are up there with Mike Ashley, Britannia Hotels, Wetherspoons and Richard Branson in their approach to this. While the rest of society looks to help others they look after themselves.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-has-realise-not-all-criticism-hearts-misinformation-and-malicious-speculation-2521285

Even the Scotsman is turning against them.


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[Waxy]

What happens if we get on top of covid19 in the next couple of months and can restart matches. They wont have a team and will have to go admin and play the reserves.

[jacomo]

What happens if we get on top of covid19 in the next couple of months and can restart matches. They wont have a team and will have to go admin and play the reserves.


That would be braw.

[cocteautwin]

What happens if we get on top of covid19 in the next couple of months and can restart matches. They wont have a team and will have to go admin and play the reserves.

They’d still raise their game and pump us [emoji23]

[whiskyhibby]

Hearts are up there with Mike Ashley, Britannia Hotels, Wetherspoons and Richard Branson in their approach to this. While the rest of society looks to help others they look after themselves.


spot on !


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Absolutely spot on

[jacomo]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-has-realise-not-all-criticism-hearts-misinformation-and-malicious-speculation-2521285

Even the Scotsman is turning against them.


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Seemingly Ian Murray is now critical. Anyone know what he said? His interview is hidden behind the Murdoch paywall.

[RoYO!]

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We could all learn from Anne.[emoji849]


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Haha! Can you imagine how well the ST launch at tiny would go right now?! XD

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tom English and the BBC heartz fan club will still state the budge is a wonderul business woman

they will have admins every several years, time it for the end of seasons, take the 10 point reductions and £50 fines, start up again with secret donors,pay silly salaries, promise to finish the longest running stand build in world football, brag they sell chips on match days, attempt to buy a scottish cup now and then, still won't be interested in winning any more league cups, ask the council to help them out, meanwhile the 235428695774532587 club shares have been diluted to a worth of 000000000000.1p per share, repeat ad finitum etc etc etc yada yada yada

am tellin yi

[Deansy]

She knows the odds it will be the spl are lengthening by the day. The empty threat of legal action when in fact she would be sueing herself as she has to accept the sfa judgements shows she realises she's ****ed up big time. What's the bet once they are relegated she will quietly disappear from view and let others sort the carnage. What a club. I do actually feel for loads of the jambos as a lot are decent folk who have been lied,misled and had their foh contributions totally wasted. I know we all love to lambast them but the money she has wasted is eyewatering. At least Vlad won acouple of trophies but to spend £30m and face relegation is some gigantic feat of incompetence and hubris. It always seems to be the way with them. As we saw with us being in the championship for three years life will go on if they are down there for a couple of years. They are a side I'll equipped to deal with pressure and could well struggle to come straight back up and even if they did they are financially goosed so it's bleak times for them. **** happens I'm afraid.


Vlad/Hearts 'won' nothing - he/they 'purchased/bought' 2 cups !



https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5434894/hearts-ann-budge-accept-cuts-suspend-salaries/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Tynecastle not a happy camp it seems. Could be a very expensive route if the PFA take them to court and win.


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Typical of today's ungrateful, over-paid football-players - all their club wants them to do is to give up their money so that Hearts can use their money to buy other players so that Hearts can tell their ungrateful, over-paid players to ****-off to the unemployment-queue !

[Joe6-2]

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We could all learn from Anne.[emoji849]


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🙈🙉

[Ozyhibby]

Interesting the communications from the two clubs this last week. Hibs have been doing player interviews, promoting Boyle playing FIFA (or something), and basically letting us know what’s going on at the club. Hearts have been in open warfare with their own players and lashing out all over the place.


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[Not In The Know]

Bottom of the league club threatens players to take 50% pay cut that will probably still have them earning more than the 5 teams above them.

Shambles.

Send them down now.

[Heisenberg]

I’ve seen a few Hearts fans trying to rip into Hibs for selling season tickets when their own club is flapping about in the media trying to force its staff into pay cuts having already laid off a number of non playing staff. Hibs selling season tickets (when two other big clubs in the league have already done so) should be the least of their worries.

[Biggie]

Honest to god, that's budge on sky trying to come across as some management messiah by threatening players who don't conform to the 50 % wage cut.
Gies peace ya trout...she does my nut in

[Fuzzywuzzy]

"This is my ***** and fairly sick analogy.



The rest of Scottish football are at the wash your hands for twenty minutes and you will be fine stage of acceptance.


Hearts are at the stay the **** at home stage because they can see what's coming."

Ahead of the game is where they're at

[jacomo]

I’ve seen a few Hearts fans trying to rip into Hibs for selling season tickets when their own club is flapping about in the media trying to force its staff into pay cuts having already laid off a number of non playing staff. Hibs selling season tickets (when two other big clubs in the league have already done so) should be the least of their worries.


I heard what Leeann had to say about the season ticket campaign. We are in extraordinary times but the club must continue to plan ahead for when normal service resumes. It sounded very reasonable to me.

I’ve heard what Budge has had to say this week. She sounds deranged.

[Jones28]

"This is my ***** and fairly sick analogy.



The rest of Scottish football are at the wash your hands for twenty minutes and you will be fine stage of acceptance.


Hearts are at the stay the **** at home stage because they can see what's coming."

Ahead of the game is where they're at

The delusions really know no bounds 😂

So the argument they’re making is that because they’re already at the stage of begging players to take wage cuts they’re ahead of the game?

Hahahaha

[jacomo]

I didn’t realise Queen Ann, sorry Hearts, issued another ‘clarification’ statement last night.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/club-update-1

This is a current rate of one statement per day.

The Rangers are tough competitors of course, and even Hibs have been involved this week, but Hearts look favourites to win this season’s statement league.

[Springbank]

I didn’t realise Queen Ann, sorry Hearts, issued another ‘clarification’ statement last night.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/club-update-1

This is a current rate of one statement per day.

The Rangers are tough competitors of course, and even Hibs have been involved this week, but Hearts look favourites to win this season’s statement league.

I am frankly very impressed with Fraser Wishart of the players union and deeply unimpressed with Ann Budge and her cynicism (and the hasty nature of the cynical abuse of this virus as a cover front for some sharp practices, abusing the manager/employee relationship)

If Fraser Wishart decides there is a case the players union can win, then I'd believe him over Budge every day of the week.

The hearts email yesterday was outright bullying.
Take a pay hit on 1 April or let us know you disagree and move onto zero pay instead (including a requirement for players to return any salaries paid to them in error by hearts after 1 april).

Good luck to the good guys here, meaning Fraser Wishart & the PFA

[Ozyhibby]

I am frankly very impressed with Fraser Wishart of the players union and deeply unimpressed with Ann Budge and her cynicism (and the hasty nature of the cynical abuse of this virus as a cover front for some sharp practices, abusing the manager/employee relationship)

If Fraser Wishart decides there is a case the players union can win, then I'd believe him over Budge every day of the week.

The hearts email yesterday was outright bullying.
Take a pay hit on 1 April or let us know you disagree and move onto zero pay instead (including a requirement for players to return any salaries paid to them in error by hearts after 1 april).

Good luck to the good guys here, meaning Fraser Wishart & the PFA

I would think if Hearts were to use the clause they are thinking of using to let players go, would they not legally have to use it for all players?


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[Ozyhibby]

I am frankly very impressed with Fraser Wishart of the players union and deeply unimpressed with Ann Budge and her cynicism (and the hasty nature of the cynical abuse of this virus as a cover front for some sharp practices, abusing the manager/employee relationship)

If Fraser Wishart decides there is a case the players union can win, then I'd believe him over Budge every day of the week.

The hearts email yesterday was outright bullying.
Take a pay hit on 1 April or let us know you disagree and move onto zero pay instead (including a requirement for players to return any salaries paid to them in error by hearts after 1 april).

Good luck to the good guys here, meaning Fraser Wishart & the PFA

I’ll be impressed with Fraser Wishart if he actually manages to protect his members this time. Previously he just seems to manage to complain about how unfair it all is but in the end his members lose the money they were entitled to.


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[Since452]

Budge is an absolute charlatan hiding behind a sweet old woman persona. She's being found out big time

[Heisenberg]

Definitely no warnings going out to the players. Nope. Not at all. Such a highly regarded club wouldn’t do that. Oh...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/03/28/gary-locke-insists-it-would-be-sensible-for-hearts-stars-to-accept-pay-cut/

“Fortunately for us, Ann has had the sense to do it first so that we all know what’s happening. The boys will need to accept it or move on.”

Why are they so desperate to try and prove that Ann Budge has been some sort of visionary and ahead of the game with this? They are ****ing skint and she’s scrambling about trying to fix it.

[CloudSquall]

Definitely no warnings going out to the players. Nope. Not at all. Such a highly regarded club wouldn’t do that. Oh...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/03/28/gary-locke-insists-it-would-be-sensible-for-hearts-stars-to-accept-pay-cut/

“Fortunately for us, Ann has had the sense to do it first so that we all know what’s happening. The boys will need to accept it or move on.”

Why are they so desperate to try and prove that Ann Budge has been some sort of visionary and ahead of the game with this? They are ****ing skint and she’s scrambling about trying to fix it.


"Anne's a genius and 5-1" is all they can cling on to now.

[The 90+2]

At a time like this when everyone is worried for various reasons hearts fans and staff are absolutely desperate for all the other clubs to lay off staff and cut the players wages, absolute desperate for it to happen. Shameless bunch of absolute ****s.

[CapitalGreen]

Definitely no warnings going out to the players. Nope. Not at all. Such a highly regarded club wouldn’t do that. Oh...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/03/28/gary-locke-insists-it-would-be-sensible-for-hearts-stars-to-accept-pay-cut/

“Fortunately for us, Ann has had the sense to do it first so that we all know what’s happening. The boys will need to accept it or move on.”

Why are they so desperate to try and prove that Ann Budge has been some sort of visionary and ahead of the game with this? They are ****ing skint and she’s scrambling about trying to fix it.

Locke makes £40k pa at Hearts as a glorified tour guide. He’ll be desperate for the players to take a pay cut to protect that gravy train job of his.

[Frankhfc]

Wish Maulary Martin was still on their books. No way he would have agreed either half wages or terminated contract. He'd have his Union and lawyers all over it, pronto fashion.

[The 90+2]

Locke makes £40k pa at Hearts as a glorified tour guide. He’ll be desperate for the players to take a pay cut to protect that gravy train job of his.

It’s not as if he’s going to slag off or go against the person that gives him that cushy number either. He’s a Budge patsy.

[Tug Wilson]

Hearts statement seems to indicate that they were advised by the SPFL and their legal advisors to inform the players that Hearts might have to invoke this Clause 12.

Why have we not heard about any other clubs doing the same? Surely the SPFL gave all clubs this advice?

Or was it that Hearts approached the SPFL to check if they could use Clause 12 as an excuse to get shot of players from their payroll and the SPFL said legally yes.

No other club gone this route? Seems not or I am sure that we would have heard about it. Not least from all the Jambos desperate to prove that their club is ahead of the game.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that the Hibs board are discussing all sorts of ways to reduce expenditure and, with wages being the main outgoing, that will be on the table. It would seem that launching the season ticket sales is an attempt to bring in funds to negate the need for wage cuts. Seems sensible.

However, it will not surprise me if, at some point, Hibs have to go to the players with some form of temporary reduction of wages plan.

I sincerely hope that if they do then it is a wage deferment that will be repaid over the next season.

I would hope that Hibs would not look to cut the pay of the non football staff (by this I mean any ticket office, shop staff and the like) who are probably not on big salaries and have little or no leeway to lose any income.

I would hope that Hibs would not start threatening their own players with the sack. Yes supporters often call players wage thieves (term I hate) but at the end of the day the players are human beings who rely on their jobs to feed, clothe and house their families - just like the rest of us. They are already in an industry where the job security is uncertain at the best of times and a lot of what they earn now is to see them through once they stop playing.

Only one club seem to be treating their players as disposable assets and not people.

[CorrieHibs]

What makes folk think Hearts are going into Admin?

I’m aware that they have been spending too much on wages i.e Naismith and Boyce. But, surely they haven’t got themselves into that much trouble?!

I think she is taking advantage of a terrible situation. And threatening folk with their jobs is disgraceful!

This unprecedented situation we’re in will affect all Scottish clubs even Celtic! So, will folk agree with the Hibs board if we have follow suit?

[Aldo]

What makes folk think Hearts are going into Admin?

I’m aware that they have been spending too much on wages i.e Naismith and Boyce. But, surely they haven’t got themselves into that much trouble?!

I think she is taking advantage of a terrible situation. And threatening folk with their jobs is disgraceful!

This unprecedented situation we’re in will affect all Scottish clubs even Celtic! So, will folk agree with the Hibs board if we have follow suit?

Have you been hearing/reading what Budge has been saying??? They needed the money from the remaining 4 games and the SC SF to make it anywhere near the end of the season.

She had the audacity to get the begging bowl out too.

They have spent way more than they have and this is even with millions upon millions of anonymous donations and FOH money.

They are using every truck in the book, even going down the legal clause route to invoke a wage reduction. After day one this reeked of total and utter desperation.

We are all going to feel the pinch but at the moment it’s statement after statement, deny most things but are rolling out the we are self sufficient and living within our means BS when it is clear to all they are not.


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[where'stheslope]

Hearts statement seems to indicate that they were advised by the SPFL and their legal advisors to inform the players that Hearts might have to invoke this Clause 12.

Why have we not heard about any other clubs doing the same? Surely the SPFL gave all clubs this advice?

Or was it that Hearts approached the SPFL to check if they could use Clause 12 as an excuse to get shot of players from their payroll and the SPFL said legally yes.

No other club gone this route? Seems not or I am sure that we would have heard about it. Not least from all the Jambos desperate to prove that their club is ahead of the game.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that the Hibs board are discussing all sorts of ways to reduce expenditure and, with wages being the main outgoing, that will be on the table. It would seem that launching the season ticket sales is an attempt to bring in funds to negate the need for wage cuts. Seems sensible.

However, it will not surprise me if, at some point, Hibs have to go to the players with some form of temporary reduction of wages plan.

I sincerely hope that if they do then it is a wage deferment that will be repaid over the next season.

I would hope that Hibs would not look to cut the pay of the non football staff (by this I mean any ticket office, shop staff and the like) who are probably not on big salaries and have little or no leeway to lose any income.

I would hope that Hibs would not start threatening their own players with the sack. Yes supporters often call players wage thieves (term I hate) but at the end of the day the players are human beings who rely on their jobs to feed, clothe and house their families - just like the rest of us. They are already in an industry where the job security is uncertain at the best of times and a lot of what they earn now is to see them through once they stop playing.

Only one club seem to be treating their players as disposable assets and not people.
You seem to have hit the nail on the head with some of your analogy, but I feel that season ticket money being taken now and used up before the season starts, where does the running costs for next season come from?
What has happened to the season ticket money sitting in the bank for this season?
With everything that is happening just now all over the world, the last thing anyone should be worried about is taking a cut in wages when footballers are mostly over paid anyway!
How many footballers in our premiership taking a 50% cut would fall into the governments criteria of £2500/month???
We want to save our club, but surely the players should be looking to help out in this, not just fans buying season tickets to help pay them!!!

[Ozyhibby]

You seem to have hit the nail on the head with some of your analogy, but I feel that season ticket money being taken now and used up before the season starts, where does the running costs for next season come from?
What has happened to the season ticket money sitting in the bank for this season?
With everything that is happening just now all over the world, the last thing anyone should be worried about is taking a cut in wages when footballers are mostly over paid anyway!
How many footballers in our premiership taking a 50% cut would fall into the governments criteria of £2500/month???
We want to save our club, but surely the players should be looking to help out in this, not just fans buying season tickets to help pay them!!!

The club are actually late in putting season tickets on sale. We are not using next years money this year. We are getting prepared for next season. Football will start again in August and we will need to be as ready as we can be to get going again.


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[where'stheslope]

The club are actually late in putting season tickets on sale. We are not using next years money this year. We are getting prepared for next season. Football will start again in August and we will need to be as ready as we can be to get going again.


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I hope your right, but I think August is just optimism in your eyes.
Everything points to early next year at the earliest, unless played behind closed doors.
Remember the government is trying to slow down the hitting the peak, which will make it a greater time scale to get over the complete eradication of the virus.
Vaccinations will help, but they are not expected till early next year.

[hibeerealist]

I’ve seen a few Hearts fans trying to rip into Hibs for selling season tickets when their own club is flapping about in the media trying to force its staff into pay cuts having already laid off a number of non playing staff. Hibs selling season tickets (when two other big clubs in the league have already done so) should be the least of their worries.


Hertz would be selling theirs too if they knew what league they would be playing in next season, I can help them there - CHAMPIONSHIP

[Ozyhibby]

I hope your right, but I think August is just optimism in your eyes.
Everything points to early next year at the earliest, unless played behind closed doors.
Remember the government is trying to slow down the hitting the peak, which will make it a greater time scale to get over the complete eradication of the virus.
Vaccinations will help, but they are not expected till early next year.

We won’t be able to feed ourselves if we are not back to normal by August. This lockdown will be the last, a proper test and trace system along with increased capacity in the snhs will need to be in place by the time it ends because there won’t be another lockdown.
There would be riots in the streets if this lasts that long.


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[where'stheslope]

We won’t be able to feed ourselves if we are not back to normal by August. This lockdown will be the last, a proper test and trace system along with increased capacity in the snhs will need to be in place by the time it ends because there won’t be another lockdown.
There would be riots in the streets if this lasts that long.


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I really hope your crystal ball is right!!!!

[Tug Wilson]

You seem to have hit the nail on the head with some of your analogy, but I feel that season ticket money being taken now and used up before the season starts, where does the running costs for next season come from?
What has happened to the season ticket money sitting in the bank for this season?
With everything that is happening just now all over the world, the last thing anyone should be worried about is taking a cut in wages when footballers are mostly over paid anyway!
How many footballers in our premiership taking a 50% cut would fall into the governments criteria of £2500/month???
We want to save our club, but surely the players should be looking to help out in this, not just fans buying season tickets to help pay them!!!

Fair point.

Cash flow is the killer here. Hibs will have budgeted for a certain amount of income between now and the end of the season. That income is gone whilst the expenditure remains.

I think that we have to accept that any current income received now will go some way to plugging the gap and we will have to cut our cloth to fit next season.

Suspect that this will mean some projects (indoor pitch) will go on hold and chances of big money signings are remote.

However, any money in the bank now will stabilise the cash flow.

Next season might be a "bread and water" season but Hibs should be better off than most.

[Moulin Yarns]

I hope your right, but I think August is just optimism in your eyes.
Everything points to early next year at the earliest, unless played behind closed doors.
Remember the government is trying to slow down the hitting the peak, which will make it a greater time scale to get over the complete eradication of the virus.
Vaccinations will help, but they are not expected till early next year.

I have notification of 2 gigs postponed from April rescheduled for September and October. Optimistic that they will go ahead. No reason to believe football would be any different.

[mjhibby]

I have notification of 2 gigs postponed from April rescheduled for September and October. Optimistic that they will go ahead. No reason to believe football would be any different.

Got hols begining of July. Not optimistic and trip planned for middle of August. A wee bit more cheery there. Put it this way the bookies are making royal Ascot which starts on June 16 is slight odds on not to happen. They are thinking mid July at the earliest and cramming the flat season into four months instead of seven and a half. Just an idea of the logistical nightmare of even starting next season on time never mind finishing this one. It's becoming increasingly more obvious,even Barry Ferguson was saying it today,that the season has gone and we must concentrate on saving the whole of next season.

[mjhibby]

Fair point.

Cash flow is the killer here. Hibs will have budgeted for a certain amount of income between now and the end of the season. That income is gone whilst the expenditure remains.

I think that we have to accept that any current income received now will go some way to plugging the gap and we will have to cut our cloth to fit next season.

Suspect that this will mean some projects (indoor pitch) will go on hold and chances of big money signings are remote.

However, any money in the bank now will stabilise the cash flow.

Next season might be a "bread and water" season but Hibs should be better off than most.

Indeed. Many teams will probably have to let go highest earners for for little dosh to keep going I suspect. Could be a very odd league next season. Celtic will be champions but wouldn't be surprised if there a few surprises in the fight for Europe and relegation.

[Ozyhibby]

Got hols begining of July. Not optimistic and trip planned for middle of August. A wee bit more cheery there. Put it this way the bookies are making royal Ascot which starts on June 16 is slight odds on not to happen. They are thinking mid July at the earliest and cramming the flat season into four months instead of seven and a half. Just an idea of the logistical nightmare of even starting next season on time never mind finishing this one. It's becoming increasingly more obvious,even Barry Ferguson was saying it today,that the season has gone and we must concentrate on saving the whole of next season.

Totally agree with Ferguson. He is close to the people that run Hamilton and will know what they are thinking. Getting a full season in next season is crucial. Euro comps are unlikely because of travel restrictions but a full domestic season is possible. I think it will happen. The govt will be desperate to reflate the economy quickly after the lockdown.


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[munchar]

Have you been hearing/reading what Budge has been saying??? They needed the money from the remaining 4 games and the SC SF to make it anywhere near the end of the season.

She had the audacity to get the begging bowl out too.

They have spent way more than they have and this is even with millions upon millions of anonymous donations and FOH money.

They are using every truck in the book, even going down the legal clause route to invoke a wage reduction. After day one this reeked of total and utter desperation.

We are all going to feel the pinch but at the moment it’s statement after statement, deny most things but are rolling out the we are self sufficient and living within our means BS when it is clear to all they are not.


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1-Cup run would not have been budgeted for, so first lie.
2-Living within their means? Well obviously couldn’t afford to give Naismith & Boyce such large long contracts. So lie 2.

[CA Hibby]

I have notification of 2 gigs postponed from April rescheduled for September and October. Optimistic that they will go ahead. No reason to believe football would be any different.

I just had notification for Madness at the end of May, postponed until June Next year...probably the only dates they could fit it in

[Aldo]

1-Cup run would not have been budgeted for, so first lie.
2-Living within their means? Well obviously couldn’t afford to give Naismith & Boyce such large long contracts. So lie 2.

Both your points spot on.

Take away the anonymous donations etc and you’re looking at a deficit of 3-4 million at least.

Yet they are living within their means!!!


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[munchar]

Both your points spot on.

Take away the anonymous donations etc and you’re looking at a deficit of 3-4 million at least.

Yet they are living within their means!!!


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What’s frustrating, is nobody from the authorities seem to see these things. The SFA will do whatever it takes to help both them & Sevco. I hope this season can be finished, & if they escape relegation, so be it. Makes me even prouder to be a Hibby. An honest, open community club, who conduct our business properly & above all honestly. ⚽️💚

[Aldo]

What’s frustrating, is nobody from the authorities seem to see these things. The SFA will do whatever it takes to help both them & Sevco. I hope this season can be finished, & if they escape relegation, so be it. Makes me even prouder to be a Hibby. An honest, open community club, who conduct our business properly & above all honestly. ⚽️[emoji172]

They are the club with NO SHAME.

They way the have been and are currently being run is what you would expect. The pro-port to be the first at many things and a BIG club but at the end of the day no one needs to say anything as they are saying it all themselves.

Thank god my dad saw sense (a Geordie) when he married my mum and brought us into the faith which is the Hibbies family.


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[RoYO!]

Remember when Budge said she wouldn't start worrying about relegation until February?!

Worried yet?!

[cocteautwin]

Has anyone considered the possibility that they are not skint at all and the benefactor hasn’t disappeared but they realise it’s just better to use corona virus as an excuse and get rid of a team of league bottom duds ASAP and start building for next season with a clean slate and a new bunch of players? Might save the benefactor a million quid if most of the players disappear.

[Bostonhibby]

Remember when Budge said she wouldn't start worrying about relegation until February?!

Worried yet?!I remember when she told them if they saved up enough money to repay her (plus a market beating 6.5% interest) they could finally get to
own the club.

I also remember her waffle about the million pound never seen before pitch she blew their money on.

Classic deflecting and boy are they easily deflected from reality.

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[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6129505]We won’t be able to feed ourselves if we are not back to normal by August. This lockdown will be the last, a proper test and trace system along with increased capacity in the snhs will need to be in place by the time it ends because there won’t be another lockdown.
There would be riots in the streets if this lasts that long.





Would you rather be dead?

IMO if isolation is effective it has to continue until the virus peaks or what we have endured so far will have been a complete waste. I hate this self isolation but will continue with it until enough evidence gives the all clear.

[Hibeesmad]

Hearts relegated yet?

[CapitalGreen]

Has anyone considered the possibility that they are not skint at all and the benefactor hasn’t disappeared but they realise it’s just better to use corona virus as an excuse and get rid of a team of league bottom duds ASAP and start building for next season with a clean slate and a new bunch of players? Might save the benefactor a million quid if most of the players disappear.

The benefactors “disposable income” is highly reliant on well performing financial markets so that particular well will be pretty dry at present. Unfortunately for Hearts, they are also not the only Edinburgh institution that benefits from this benefactors funding and they are likely far down his list of priorities.

[cocteautwin]

The benefactors “disposable income” is highly reliant on well performing financial markets so that particular well will be pretty dry at present. Unfortunately for Hearts, they are also not the only Edinburgh institution that benefits from this benefactors funding and they are likely far down his list of priorities.

Definitely a “his”?

[emoji3]

[AltheHibby]

Not really relevant to the thread, but this just popped up on my news feed.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/29/coronavirus-test-covid-19-home-antibody-kits/amp/

It's not perfect, but it's hope.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Has anyone considered the possibility that they are not skint at all and the benefactor hasn’t disappeared but they realise it’s just better to use corona virus as an excuse and get rid of a team of league bottom duds ASAP and start building for next season with a clean slate and a new bunch of players? Might save the benefactor a million quid if most of the players disappear.

If they are allowed to go down the route of enforced pay cuts or redundancies it should come with strict limits on wage caps and transfer activity going forward. Not sure how they could argue with this if they genuinely are skint.

[FilipinoHibs]

The benefactors “disposable income” is highly reliant on well performing financial markets so that particular well will be pretty dry at present. Unfortunately for Hearts, they are also not the only Edinburgh institution that benefits from this benefactors funding and they are likely far down his list of priorities.

You said previously more than one person. Now only one? Is the money drawn from financial market related activity? Can't be a direct investment as that is not liquid enough to generate that amount of donations. And Hearts just one of the benefactors and down the list. Must have a pile of cash. Warren Buffet? No financial crisis when Hearts in admin. Why did they not appear then?

[RoxburghHibs]

If they are allowed to go down the route of enforced pay cuts or redundancies it should come with strict limits on wage caps and transfer activity going forward. Not sure how they could argue with this if they genuinely are skint.


Agree 100%.

They can't be allowed to reduce outgoings now to fund new contracts next season whilst other clubs honour their contracts and have less available money for new contracts.

[jacomo]

The benefactors “disposable income” is highly reliant on well performing financial markets so that particular well will be pretty dry at present. Unfortunately for Hearts, they are also not the only Edinburgh institution that benefits from this benefactors funding and they are likely far down his list of priorities.


In the know, aye?

:faf:

[FilipinoHibs]

In the know, aye?

:faf:

Think been spun a story by golfing buddy Stuart Wallace of FOH. Story changes all the time.

[CapitalGreen]

Think been spun a story by golfing buddy Stuart Wallace of FOH. Story changes all the time.

I don’t play golf Raphael.

[FilipinoHibs]

I don’t play golf Raphael.

But you know Stuart. He was the source of your previous revelations that the donator was a single person who was a business acquaintance of Stuart's who runs a tax planning/wealth management business. Your latest post looks like Stuart's spin on why the mysterious donator has disappeared in Hearts' hour of need. Why would he tell a Hibee all this if not to put you off the scent. I have been getting a different spin from another FOH senior member. I just dismissed it as bluster.

[CapitalGreen]

But you know Stuart. He was the source of your previous revelations that the donator was a single person who was a business acquaintance of Stuart's who runs a tax planning/wealth management business. Your latest post looks like Stuart's spin on why the mysterious donator has disappeared in Hearts' hour of need. Why would he tell a Hibee all this if not to put you off the scent. I have been getting a different spin from another FOH senior member. I just dismissed it as bluster.

I don’t know and have never claimed to know Stuart Wallace. From what I can tell of him he is a Budge sycophant who won’t say anything negative about the current regime in case it damages his quest for the main job once FOH takeover the running of the club. As the main man of FOH he really should have been holding Ann Budge‘a feet to fire during the last 2-3 years of shambles of the club but has said nowt.

[greenginger]

I don’t know and have never claimed to know Stuart Wallace. From what I can tell of him he is a Budge sycophant who won’t say anything negative about the current regime in case it damages his quest for the main job once FOH takeover the running of the club. As the main man of FOH he really should have been holding Ann Budge‘a feet to fire during the last 2-3 years of shambles of the club but has said nowt.


Stuart Wallace is part of the current regime . He’s been a director of the football club for over 3 years now.

[CapitalGreen]

Stuart Wallace is part of the current regime . He’s been a director of the football club for over 3 years now.

Yup but all the power rests with Ann Budge. As Chairman of FOH he should have been representing the fans and been holding her to account for her many failings in recent years but he has been keeping her sweet to ensure he takes over running the club in the future. A fan organisation with 8-9000 members pumping a sizeable amount into the club seems to have little voice or influence over what the club does.

[Deansy]

What makes folk think Hearts are going into Admin?

I’m aware that they have been spending too much on wages i.e Naismith and Boyce. But, surely they haven’t got themselves into that much trouble?!

I think she is taking advantage of a terrible situation. And threatening folk with their jobs is disgraceful!

This unprecedented situation we’re in will affect all Scottish clubs even Celtic! So, will folk agree with the Hibs board if we have follow suit?


It's not really your fault that you're shocked by the Jambos financial woes (to further clarify, it's their current financial woes - not the other recent ones of 2013) because if you're getting your info exclusively from our esteemed 'media', right now I'd guess that you're probably jealous that Hearts have got such a forward-thinking, business whizz-kid at their helm !. However, in today's record, ex-Hibee Kevin Harper dares to go against the MSM grain -

'The lesson Hibs have taught Hearts over coronavirus cost saving'


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lesson-hibs-taught-hearts-over-21776049


'You have got to broach the subject with their players and staff. They are human beings. You can’t just go in with the big stick and say ‘this is what’s happening’



Unsurprisingly, this headline/article seems to have escaped the attention of the normally eagle-eyed readers of that quality-site, 'Throw-back' - what has caught their attention is the news that FC Sion have allegedly sacked 8 of their players because they refused to take a wage-cut !, Although the article doesn't state if FC Sion asked the players to take the wage-cut 5 minutes after a game with the Swiss equivalent of Ross-county was postponed/cancelled - it makes no difference to the Jambos as the fact that it's happened, has rejuvenated the Jambos and their love and idolisation of Budge !

[jacomo]

Kevin Harper is spot on.

Classless Jambos won’t get it though.

Whoever the mystery benefactors are, you’d think the alarm bells are ringing loud and clear. Budge is clueless.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Today is the day Budge has assured the Hearts players they will receive their full March salary. This is a considerable wedge of actual cash which must really exist for it to transfered to the players accounts not to mention the defered HMRC payments to BoJo.

It is reported their bank has refused any further line of credit so they are either now maxing their overdraft facility to scrape the pennies together and emptying their piggy bank of reserves or they will be relying on an "external" bung to get them through today.

From tomorrow they could technically be trading whilst insolvent. I reckon a statement is incoming.

[FilipinoHibs]

Today is the day Budge has assured the Hearts players they will receive their full March salary. This is a considerable wedge of actual cash which must really exist for it to transfered to the players accounts not to mention the defered HMRC payments to BoJo.

It is reported their bank has refused any further line of credit so they are either now maxing their overdraft facility to scrape the pennies together and emptying their piggy bank of reserves or they will be relying on an "external" bung to get them through today.

From tomorrow they could technically be trading whilst insolvent. I reckon a statement is incoming.

I think they given their history and the way they have operated financially over the last few years, plus recent actions and statements, there will be no overdraft facility

[Ozyhibby]

Today is the day Budge has assured the Hearts players they will receive their full March salary. This is a considerable wedge of actual cash which must really exist for it to transfered to the players accounts not to mention the defered HMRC payments to BoJo.

It is reported their bank has refused any further line of credit so they are either now maxing their overdraft facility to scrape the pennies together and emptying their piggy bank of reserves or they will be relying on an "external" bung to get them through today.

From tomorrow they could technically be trading whilst insolvent. I reckon a statement is incoming.

Govt has given business permission to trade while insolvent so we won’t hear anything. Interesting that there has been no white smoke on a deal with their players though. Negotiations must be trickier than they thought.


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[jacomo]

Govt has given business permission to trade while insolvent so we won’t hear anything. Interesting that there has been no white smoke on a deal with their players though. Negotiations must be trickier than they thought.


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:agree:

This is much more likely than some of the wild speculation on here.

Government action is necessary but unavoidably will allow bad businesses to hide amongst the good ones who are suffering solely due to external factors.

[FilipinoHibs]

:agree:

This is much more likely than some of the wild speculation on here.

Government action is necessary but unavoidably will allow bad businesses to hide amongst the good ones who are suffering solely due to external factors.

But the problem is no money in the bank, none coming in and no overdraft facility. They will run out of money in April and literally have to close down. Unless of course FOH £2.2 million for the shares can be used to keep club running for two to three months. No wonder Budge has not handed over the shares yet.

[jacomo]

But the problem is no money in the bank, none coming in and no overdraft facility. They will run out of money in April and literally have to close down. Unless of course FOH £2.2 million for the shares can be used to keep club running for two to three months. No wonder Budge has not handed over the shares yet.


The monthly FOH support will still be coming in, no?

[04Sauzee]

The monthly FOH support will still be coming in, no?

Season tickets to go on sale in the coming days if the EEN is to be believed

[cocteautwin]

But the problem is no money in the bank, none coming in and no overdraft facility. They will run out of money in April and literally have to close down. Unless of course FOH £2.2 million for the shares can be used to keep club running for two to three months. No wonder Budge has not handed over the shares yet.

The way I see it, they said they were going to be short of £1m of income but didn’t really say anything about the benefactor disappearing. I think it’s a smokescreen and I don’t think they’ll be as short of cash as they want people to believe, but are using the crisis as an ugly method of dumping most of an underperforming team that’s taken them to bottom of the league.

With the sheer size of the amounts of money pouring in to the club over the past few years, the benefactor is probably smart enough to be making money when the markets are going down as well as when they are going up.

My guess is they are still being supported by the benefactor. I’d imagine along with the extra £5-6m they’ll have needed this financial year we’ll still see a similar amount flowing in within financial year 2020/21.

Mere speculation but we won’t really know this until their 2021 accounts are published late 2021 or early 2022, by which time they’ll be hoping Scottish football will have long forgotten about their poverty claim in March 2020.

[Hibs4185]

I think Budge will have to put the FOH money she has just received back into the club. The donations are still strong so she will get her cash back in another 2 years.

Couple of problems though. That £2.4 million is only enough for 2 months outgoings.

They don’t know which league they are playing in so difficult to sell season tickets

FOH money, whilst a great resource, is only a drop in the ocean compared to their expenses.

I’ve no doubt they will limp on but their position is absolutely hilarious

[Heisenberg]

Season tickets to go on sale in the coming days if the EEN is to be believed

They must be confident on what division they’ll be in then? Or they are happy to sell folk tickets regardless.

[G B Young]

They must be confident on what division they’ll be in then? Or they are happy to sell folk tickets regardless.

Presumably they would just keep the prices the same for the Championship as they would have for the top flight and say that they hope fans understand in the current circumstances.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Govt has given business permission to trade while insolvent so we won’t hear anything. Interesting that there has been no white smoke on a deal with their players though. Negotiations must be trickier than they thought.


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No the government hasn't. What it has done is relax the regulations, personal liabilities, and penalties on directors of firms who are knowingly trading insolvently. Not quite a carte blanche to trade insolvently.

[Ronniekirk]

URFA meeting this Wednesday will give more clarity to Clubs on way forward


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[G B Young]

Apologies if this has already been flagged up. I must have missed it if so.


'Catastrophic Hearts' would deserve relegation
by Paul Forsyth

Ian Murray, an early driving force behind the Foundation of Hearts, has described as a “total and utter disgrace” the club’s failure to have made more of the £10 million ploughed into it by supporters during the last seven years.
That was the total reached yesterday by the fans group, of which the Labour MP was chairman in 2013. Since then, it has helped the club out of administration and acquired nearly 8,000 members who will eventually assume ownership from Ann Budge, the majority shareholder.
That transition, originally scheduled for next month, was officially put on hold yesterday because of the coronavirus crisis which has plunged Hearts into trouble on and off the pitch. Not only have they asked their staff to take a 50 per cent wage cut, but the team stand on the brink of relegation from the Ladbrokes Premiership.
Amid doubts as to whether the suspended season will ever resume, Murray says that fans who have invested so much in the club deserve an explanation for the “catastrophic” failures that have left them four points adrift at the foot of the table, with serious financial difficulties.
“If Hearts get relegated, they thoroughly deserve it, by a long way,” he says. “To only win four [league] games with the kind of money that has been spent on that squad, with the kind of players we have got, is a total and utter disgrace. It’s an embarrassment.

"Of the four games they have won, two have been against Hibs and one against Rangers. That tells you there is an attitude problem. And that’s the thing that upsets the Hearts fans more than anything else, especially in the context of putting in 10 million quid.”
Budge yesterday issued a statement in which she insisted that Hearts were in no more financial trouble than any other Scottish club. While Murray is not critical of the decision to reduce salaries, he is frustrated that the club are in such an unhealthy position.
Despite the pandemic, fans are still signing up to the Foundation of Hearts and donating by direct debit. Murray believes there should be more to show for those fundraising efforts, which repaid Budge’s initial investment, part-funded the redevelopment of Tynecastle and provided the club with £4.5 million in working capital.
“Ten million quid is a lot of money,” he says. “And the club looks as if it is in financial trouble because this crisis has hit. Yes, of course, we have built a new stand, but it doubled in price. There have to be big questions asked about that. Player recruitment . . . the amount of money that has been paid on a squad for managers that have not delivered . . . and they have not delivered by a catastrophic amount for a club like Hearts with all the money that the fans are putting in. It’s £10 million on top of record revenues for the club. These are difficult questions, but they are questions that fans who are still contributing to the foundation in this crisis have a right to ask. And they deserve answers.”

[cocteautwin]

Apologies if this has already been flagged up. I must have missed it if so.


'Catastrophic Hearts' would deserve relegation
by Paul Forsyth

Ian Murray, an early driving force behind the Foundation of Hearts, has described as a “total and utter disgrace” the club’s failure to have made more of the £10 million ploughed into it by supporters during the last seven years.
That was the total reached yesterday by the fans group, of which the Labour MP was chairman in 2013. Since then, it has helped the club out of administration and acquired nearly 8,000 members who will eventually assume ownership from Ann Budge, the majority shareholder.
That transition, originally scheduled for next month, was officially put on hold yesterday because of the coronavirus crisis which has plunged Hearts into trouble on and off the pitch. Not only have they asked their staff to take a 50 per cent wage cut, but the team stand on the brink of relegation from the Ladbrokes Premiership.
Amid doubts as to whether the suspended season will ever resume, Murray says that fans who have invested so much in the club deserve an explanation for the “catastrophic” failures that have left them four points adrift at the foot of the table, with serious financial difficulties.
“If Hearts get relegated, they thoroughly deserve it, by a long way,” he says. “To only win four [league] games with the kind of money that has been spent on that squad, with the kind of players we have got, is a total and utter disgrace. It’s an embarrassment.

"Of the four games they have won, two have been against Hibs and one against Rangers. That tells you there is an attitude problem. And that’s the thing that upsets the Hearts fans more than anything else, especially in the context of putting in 10 million quid.”
Budge yesterday issued a statement in which she insisted that Hearts were in no more financial trouble than any other Scottish club. While Murray is not critical of the decision to reduce salaries, he is frustrated that the club are in such an unhealthy position.
Despite the pandemic, fans are still signing up to the Foundation of Hearts and donating by direct debit. Murray believes there should be more to show for those fundraising efforts, which repaid Budge’s initial investment, part-funded the redevelopment of Tynecastle and provided the club with £4.5 million in working capital.
“Ten million quid is a lot of money,” he says. “And the club looks as if it is in financial trouble because this crisis has hit. Yes, of course, we have built a new stand, but it doubled in price. There have to be big questions asked about that. Player recruitment . . . the amount of money that has been paid on a squad for managers that have not delivered . . . and they have not delivered by a catastrophic amount for a club like Hearts with all the money that the fans are putting in. It’s £10 million on top of record revenues for the club. These are difficult questions, but they are questions that fans who are still contributing to the foundation in this crisis have a right to ask. And they deserve answers.”


£10m is indeed a lot of money Ian. Don’t forget that other £15m from the benefactor as well. That’s a lot of money too.


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[Bostonhibby]

Apologies if this has already been flagged up. I must have missed it if so.


'Catastrophic Hearts' would deserve relegation
by Paul Forsyth

Ian Murray, an early driving force behind the Foundation of Hearts, has described as a “total and utter disgrace” the club’s failure to have made more of the £10 million ploughed into it by supporters during the last seven years.
That was the total reached yesterday by the fans group, of which the Labour MP was chairman in 2013. Since then, it has helped the club out of administration and acquired nearly 8,000 members who will eventually assume ownership from Ann Budge, the majority shareholder.
That transition, originally scheduled for next month, was officially put on hold yesterday because of the coronavirus crisis which has plunged Hearts into trouble on and off the pitch. Not only have they asked their staff to take a 50 per cent wage cut, but the team stand on the brink of relegation from the Ladbrokes Premiership.
Amid doubts as to whether the suspended season will ever resume, Murray says that fans who have invested so much in the club deserve an explanation for the “catastrophic” failures that have left them four points adrift at the foot of the table, with serious financial difficulties.
“If Hearts get relegated, they thoroughly deserve it, by a long way,” he says. “To only win four [league] games with the kind of money that has been spent on that squad, with the kind of players we have got, is a total and utter disgrace. It’s an embarrassment.

"Of the four games they have won, two have been against Hibs and one against Rangers. That tells you there is an attitude problem. And that’s the thing that upsets the Hearts fans more than anything else, especially in the context of putting in 10 million quid.”
Budge yesterday issued a statement in which she insisted that Hearts were in no more financial trouble than any other Scottish club. While Murray is not critical of the decision to reduce salaries, he is frustrated that the club are in such an unhealthy position.
Despite the pandemic, fans are still signing up to the Foundation of Hearts and donating by direct debit. Murray believes there should be more to show for those fundraising efforts, which repaid Budge’s initial investment, part-funded the redevelopment of Tynecastle and provided the club with £4.5 million in working capital.
“Ten million quid is a lot of money,” he says. “And the club looks as if it is in financial trouble because this crisis has hit. Yes, of course, we have built a new stand, but it doubled in price. There have to be big questions asked about that. Player recruitment . . . the amount of money that has been paid on a squad for managers that have not delivered . . . and they have not delivered by a catastrophic amount for a club like Hearts with all the money that the fans are putting in. It’s £10 million on top of record revenues for the club. These are difficult questions, but they are questions that fans who are still contributing to the foundation in this crisis have a right to ask. And they deserve answers.”
He's right as well, but why have all the other flumps meekly put up with this for so long?

At least they kicked a hat when Romanov took them to the cleaners and utterly embarrassed the club as well.

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[jacomo]

Ian Murray, 2014:

“But everyone should have complete faith in Ann in the meantime. She’s a formidable businesswoman and we’re lucky to have her combine forces with the supporters whose direct debits have been keeping the club going.

“Nobody wants this to work more than Ann and it’s her personal capital on the line.

“The Hearts fans should feel comfortable with Ann on board at the club.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-fans-must-give-club-3148250

Shades of George Foulkes and Vlad here... another time a Labour politician urged people to have complete faith in the new owner of Hearts, and then expressing doubts.

[Frankhfc]

URFA meeting this Wednesday will give more clarity to Clubs on way forward


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Apologies if this has been posted already on here. I saw an article today outlining Fifa have issued advice that clubs should not be prepared to use the obscure Clause 12 as an excuse to alter player contracts. Apparently there's a Fifa ruling that supercedes national footballing authority ones. Clubs could be punished in several ways if found to have done so. If a player chooses to accept the change in contract that's a different matter and up to them but clubs cannot force players into reducing their terms and conditions.

[PatHead]

Apologies if this has been posted already on here. I saw an article today outlining Fifa have issued advice that clubs should not be prepared to use the obscure Clause 12 as an excuse to alter player contracts. Apparently there's a Fifa ruling that supercedes national footballing authority ones. Clubs could be punished in several ways if found to have done so. If a player chooses to accept the change in contract that's a different matter and up to them but clubs cannot force players into reducing their terms and conditions.

Where was the article. Love to pass it on to some Jambos

[Garymcl]

Definitely have to share this on to couple of “head in the sand” jambos I know 😂

[Bostonhibby]

Ian Murray, 2014:

“But everyone should have complete faith in Ann in the meantime. She’s a formidable businesswoman and we’re lucky to have her combine forces with the supporters whose direct debits have been keeping the club going.

“Nobody wants this to work more than Ann and it’s her personal capital on the line.

“The Hearts fans should feel comfortable with Ann on board at the club.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-fans-must-give-club-3148250

Shades of George Foulkes and Vlad here... another time a Labour politician urged people to have complete faith in the new owner of Hearts, and then expressing doubts.Are you suggesting politicians are populist opportunists who jump on and off whatever bandwagon suits their image at the time, then hope their audience don't notice the complete about face they later execute?
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[brog]

Ian Murray, 2014:

“But everyone should have complete faith in Ann in the meantime. She’s a formidable businesswoman and we’re lucky to have her combine forces with the supporters whose direct debits have been keeping the club going.

“Nobody wants this to work more than Ann and it’s her personal capital on the line.

“The Hearts fans should feel comfortable with Ann on board at the club.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-fans-must-give-club-3148250

Shades of George Foulkes and Vlad here... another time a Labour politician urged people to have complete faith in the new owner of Hearts, and then expressing doubts.

I'm not a fan of Ian Murray but TBF to him here that article was 5+ years ago & he's now the only politician of any hue who's actually questioning where the money's gone. I know Alex Salmond has been rather occupied recently but given the part he played in the last admin fiasco it would be good if he added his (considerable :wink:) weight to the long overdue scrutiny.

[Frankhfc]

Where was the article. Love to pass it on to some Jambos

Apologies. I don't have a link to the article. It was on the back of one of several newspapers I was having a quick shiftie at in Morrisons this morning. Definitely read that Fifa was issuing a warning not to use clause 12 as a means of which to force players into accepting contract alterations.

[PatHead]

Apologies. I don't have a link to the article. It was on the back of one of several newspapers I was having a quick shiftie at in Morrisons this morning. Definitely read that Fifa was issuing a warning not to use clause 12 as a means of which to force players into accepting contract alterations.

Thanks. Done my visit to Morrisons so won't be able to get a look. Maybe someone else will have a link.

[ScottB]

Says a lot if the likes of Murray has finally piped up with some criticism...

[Kojock]

Says a lot if the likes of Murray has finally piped up with some criticism...

Turns out according to kickback he’s a twat and they can’t believe why anyone would vote for him.

[Seveno]

What took Ian Murray so long. It has been an obvious basket case of a club for a long time. An earlier intervention by someone of his standing might have forced change.

[Kato]

What took Ian Murray so long. It has been an obvious basket case of a club for a long time. An earlier intervention by someone of his standing might have forced change.He had a book to sell.

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[DaveF]

Turns out according to kickback he’s a twat and they can’t believe why anyone would vote for him.

Finally, some sense out of kickback 🙂

[Kato]

He's right as well, but why have all the other flumps meekly put up with this for so long?

At least they kicked a hat when Romanov took them to the cleaners and utterly embarrassed the club as well.

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Hearts fans have a long and proud history of demonstrating against owners when things go awry.

They turned on Mercer when he stopped spending cash that they never had in the first place and long standing debts were catching up with him.

They attacked the team bus when the Pie-Man errm, stopped spending cash that they never had in the first place and long standing debts were catching up with him.

One of them kicked a hat once when a Lithuanian based Russian money launderer was putting them through more spin cycles than the Waltzers at Fun City. Made him think twice.

That tradition continues today, the owner they once hailed as the shrewdest, most business savvy operator in Scottish Football is now being called out as a, quote, "daft, slavering, brainless auld bat" across social media. This about turn comes after watching £28M+ raised through external sources being squandered on a squad fit for the drop and a brand new rust bucket of a stand.

They're a switched on bunch when it comes to monitoring their owners.

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[Bostonhibby]

Hearts fans have a long and proud history of demonstrating against owners when things go awry.

They turned on Mercer when he stopped spending cash that they never had in the first place and long standing debts were catching up with him.

They attacked the team bus when the Pie-Man errm, stopped spending cash that they never had in the first place and long standing debts were catching up with him.

One of them kicked a hat once when a Lithuanian based Russian money launderer was putting them through more spin cycles than the Waltzers at Fun City. Made him think twice.

That tradition continues today, the owner they once hailed as the shrewdest, most business savvy operator in Scottish Football is now being called out as a, quote, "daft, slavering, brainless auld bat" across social media. This about turn comes after watching £28M+ raised through external sources being squandered on a squad fit for the drop and a brand new rust bucket of a stand.

They're a switched on bunch when it comes to monitoring their owners.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkIf I recall correctly the big hat protest involved kicking what appeared to be a cossack hat.

They really don't do anything that well.

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[Jack]

He, Murray, did for his club what any one of us would do for Hibs. And at the start it all looked very good for them, goodwill all around jamboland. Millionaire saviour, 1,000s pumping in cash, lots of nice cakes to eat, chips.

I've thought for a while though that Budge has been like a rich kid in a sweetie shop. A fairly basic stand all of a sudden had bits and pieces added, some stuff at the last minute - that costs loads. But she didn't care cause she's got loadsamonry. As a jambo besotted with Harry Potter he was an automatic choice.

I think Murray saw the cluster**** on the horizon and bailed out.

He's still a twat.

[grunt]

Dan speaks to Sky

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1245079334269751297?s=20

[Smartie]

Dan speaks to Sky

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1245079334269751297?s=20


Looks like he's doing a few jigsaws to keep himself busy.

[BILLYHIBS]

He, Murray, did for his club what any one of us would do for Hibs. And at the start it all looked very good for them, goodwill all around jamboland. Millionaire saviour, 1,000s pumping in cash, lots of nice cakes to eat, chips.

I've thought for a while though that Budge has been like a rich kid in a sweetie shop. A fairly basic stand all of a sudden had bits and pieces added, some stuff at the last minute - that costs loads. But she didn't care cause she's got loadsamonry. As a jambo besotted with Harry Potter he was an automatic choice.

I think Murray saw the cluster**** on the horizon and bailed out.

He's still a twat.

Did someone say chips?

[Sioux]

Our pink chums are now suggesting that because Hibs are selling season tickets now, we will have spent next season's money before next season!

Have they not been paying attention?

[cocteautwin]

Dan speaks to Sky

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1245079334269751297?s=20


I'll eat my hat if he comes back to Hearts. He's gone.

[HoboHarry]

I'll eat my hat if he comes back to Hearts. He's gone.
I genuinely couldn't tell if he is normally that incoherent or if he had been drinking. Based on the many Germans I've known over the years, his English is spectacularly poor especially given the fact he has spent time in the UK.

[CloudSquall]

Dan speaks to Sky

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1245079334269751297?s=20


The video plays like he finally accessed PornHub's free week of premium access on his mobile and he can't be arsed with whatever is on his PC's screen in front of him.

[I'm_cabbaged]

The video plays like he finally accessed PornHub's free week of premium access on his mobile and he can't be arsed with whatever is on his PC's screen in front of him.

Free week you say??!!!! No wonder the jigsaw is untouched, and here was I thinking that he couldn’t complete an eleven piece jigsaw, never mi d that one!!!

[Springbank]

Here is a link to the article - mentioned above - the lawyer who has taken the view, that any club that tries to suspend player contracts using Clause 12 can be taken to FIFA by the player, and FIFA could 'hammer' the club, with a hefty fine and a transfer ban.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200331/283334704387756

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The video plays like he finally accessed PornHub's free week of premium access on his mobile and he can't be arsed with whatever is on his PC's screen in front of him.

Sounded like a man defeated and a bit broken. I really can fathom what they ever saw in him and I always try to look for the good in people - he’s just excruciating to watch someone needs to put him out of his misery.

Did he do his iHearts nterview over webchat?

[jacomo]

I'll eat my hat if he comes back to Hearts. He's gone.


Contract Klaus will swing into action.

Hearts acting like a club who know the season is over and they are down, regardless of the bluster coming out of Budge’s gob.

[KingPat4]

Daniel looks and sounds completely pished.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Statement issued on 01/04/20 by an esteemed doctor

"Dear Players,

Due to some on problems with our on-line banking platform fund transfer functionality your pay cheques are in the post."

[Bostonhibby]

Daniel looks and sounds completely pished.Locked down with a litre of Cinzano, a Watneys red barrel party size and a gross of prawn cocktail crisps.

What you can't hear is Agadoo blaring out in the background.

No wonder he's struggling with the jigsaw, it's the Tynecastle megastand edition and there's half a dozen bits missing.

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[blackpoolhibs]

He thinks its a jigsaw, its just spilt cornflakes.

[Bostonhibby]

He thinks its a jigsaw, its just spilt cornflakes.[emoji23][emoji23]

Did laugh out loud there.

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[.Sean.]

Hearts fans have a long and proud history of demonstrating against owners when things go awry.

They turned on Mercer when he stopped spending cash that they never had in the first place and long standing debts were catching up with him.

They attacked the team bus when the Pie-Man errm, stopped spending cash that they never had in the first place and long standing debts were catching up with him.

One of them kicked a hat once when a Lithuanian based Russian money launderer was putting them through more spin cycles than the Waltzers at Fun City. Made him think twice.

That tradition continues today, the owner they once hailed as the shrewdest, most business savvy operator in Scottish Football is now being called out as a, quote, "daft, slavering, brainless auld bat" across social media. This about turn comes after watching £28M+ raised through external sources being squandered on a squad fit for the drop and a brand new rust bucket of a stand.

They're a switched on bunch when it comes to monitoring their owners.

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Pure poetry

[Joe6-2]

Daniel looks and sounds completely pished.

I don’t mean to be cruel as I don’t speak any other languages, but wtf is he saying? Should be subtitles!

[jacomo]

Statement issued on 01/04/20 by an esteemed doctor

"Dear Players,

Due to some on problems with our on-line banking platform fund transfer functionality your pay cheques are in the post."


Next week’s statement:

“Once again I feel the need to address ill-informed speculation in the media. Hearts are not in financial distress. The simple fact is, I forgot to sign the cheques! I’ve asked the players to send them back to me so that I can sign them ASAP - although, knowing me, I will probably forget to check the post!”

[MrSmith]

Just heard on BBC Radio Scotland that Hearts players have until 5pm today to accept the cut.

[147lothian]

Jurgin Doon's list of new recruits for the championship campaign

The leak could be Potter or Miss Lovelace

Pugh, Pugh, Barney, McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb

[Aldo]

Just heard on BBC Radio Scotland that Hearts players have until 5pm today to accept the cut.

Ultimatums, threats and the rest. All very classy!


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[Barney McGrew]

Jurgin Doon's list of new recruits for the championship campaign

The leak could be Potter or Miss Lovelace

Pugh, Pugh, Barney, McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb

I can confirm that I told them to get to **** :cb

[GreenCastle]

Just heard on BBC Radio Scotland that Hearts players have until 5pm today to accept the cut.

Tick tock..

They love a deadline - just like finishing their £20 million pound castle view stand..still not finished 4 years later.

[Waxy]

Maybe no one will ever eat chips while looking at the castle from the pbs office block.

[Bostonhibby]

Maybe no one will ever eat chips while looking at the castle from the pbs office block.Now that we know this Budge person is a blethering auld skate I'm beginning to wonder if they never discovered the potato and invented the chip after all.

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[147lothian]

I can confirm that I told them to get to **** :cb


:aok:

[bingo70]

Just heard on BBC Radio Scotland that Hearts players have until 5pm today to accept the cut.

Or what?

Do the players get freed?

[MrSmith]

Or what?

Do the players get freed?


My thoughts too but carried on the report to include all others who had taken a cut in the SFA/SPFL/SRU. Was a mixed bag report that did not include Hibs players taking a 20% cut (deferment) in wages

[JohnMcM]

I can confirm that I told them to get to **** :cb


Comedy gold!

:top marks

[Keith_M]

I can confirm that I told them to get to **** :cb


:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/pfa-scotland-open-talks-defer-hearts-players-wages-2525343


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