The generic Hearts thread

[Ozyhibby]

Unless Liam Boyce agrees to it, Hearts still have to pay him his £6k a week. They can claim back £2500 a month but they still need to give Boyce his £26k.


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[B.H.F.C]

Every days’s a learning day with this 👍

Someone will probably tell me I’m wrong in a minute right enough, just speaking from my own experience. I think a lot of it comes down to the what is stated in your contract, irrespective of your occupation.

[tamig]

I did read the statement and it clearly says they have not come to an agreement with their players. If they have not come to any agreement then they can furlough them but they still have to make sure they are paid in full. Anything else is a breach of their playing contract.
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And nowhere does the statement say that the players will be receiving full pay - which is what you said. They paid their players in full for March. What they’re “negotiating” is the most they will be able to screw out of each individual. No player there will be getting their full wage for this month. It will be interesting to see what her next statement says once the negotiations have concluded. At least she hasn’t disclosed any timeframe this time around.

[tamig]

So as an employer myself. You pay your furloughed staff member 80% of their wage or 100% if you so wish.

The government gives you back 80%. You actually have to pay the salary for the month though then the government is paying you back at the end of April.

The question is, do hearts have the money to pay the wages until April?

But the Govt 80% contribution is capped at 2.5k. Whatever you want to pay over and above that - if anything - is at your discretion.

[matty_f]

"we would like to make it clear that since the introduction of the Job Retention Scheme,

no player has been asked to take more than a 30 per cent reduction in wage."


So they have actually tried to get players to take a 50% pay cut, until the Government announced the Job Retention Scheme.

After that, they tried to get them to take a 30% pay cut (presumably only because the players had already refused the 50% cut).


The devil is in the details

:wink:

I think the detail is that that for players who were on £5k+ per week, Hearts might only have been able to afford to pay them £2.5k per week, but now the government are fronting £2500/month that reduction in salary drops from the 50% requested initially to now become 50%+£2500/month.

[Ozyhibby]

And nowhere does the statement say that the players will be receiving full pay - which is what you said. They paid their players in full for March. What they’re “negotiating” is the most they will be able to screw out of each individual. No player there will be getting their full wage for this month. It will be interesting to see what her next statement says once the negotiations have concluded. At least she hasn’t disclosed any timeframe this time around.

Unless a player agrees to take less then they will be getting their full pay.


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[Frankhfc]

Unless a player agrees to take less then they will be getting their full pay.


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Yep.

Rod McKenzie for his own reasons got it severely wrong upon advising Hearts in particular that they could use a vague clause to rip up player contracts.

Deliberate or just mistaken? Who knows?

Thankfully, most of the players knew Hearts were just at it. Attempting to fake news perfectly legal contracts.

****bags.

[Frankhfc]

Rod McKenzie was virtually allowing clubs to carte blance rip up player contracts who they wished they hadn't signed. Hearts in particular. Football anarchy. Thankfully the players stood frim.

[HoboHarry]

Rod McKenzie was virtually allowing clubs to carte blance rip up player contracts who they wished they hadn't signed. Hearts in particular. Football anarchy. Thankfully the players stood frim.
Rod McKenzie was giving a legal opinion, nothing more. Personally I think a court would throw it out.....

[Dashing Bob S]

i think it’s going to be a rough ride for Los Yambolinos

[Ozyhibby]

i think it’s going to be a rough ride for Los Yambolinos

I think so too. Hibs have their entire playing squad taking 20% less wages every week and the govt covering £600 each of the remaining 80%. Hearts only have the £600 help from the govt.


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[147lothian]

Budge has been caught being "at it" announcing a 50% cut then having to backtrack after its all over they will have lost the dressing room IMO

[we are hibs]

Can we just clarify now that we dont need to hear "i dont care..theres more important things right now" when Hearts are confirmed as relegated. Yes there is more important things but that does not mean we cannot have a serious laugh at them going down. Their support in general are arrogant, deluded thickos and deserve nothing less than trips to Alloa and Arbroath in freezing cold January. I hope they stay down there for years.

[Joe6-2]

Can we just clarify now that we dont need to hear "i dont care..theres more important things right now" when Hearts are confirmed as relegated. Yes there is more important things but that does not mean we cannot have a serious laugh at them going down. Their support in general are arrogant, deluded thickos and deserve nothing less than trips to Alloa and Arbroath in freezing cold January. I hope they stay down there for years.

It’s a ray of sunshine at the moment

[Dashing Bob S]

I think so too. Hibs have their entire playing squad taking 20% less wages every week and the govt covering £600 each of the remaining 80%. Hearts only have the £600 help from the govt.


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Well I’m certainly not the sort to gloat at my neighbors sad demise, but assuming, in some parallel universe there was a version of me with fewer scruples, I’m almost certain he’d be speculating that the FOH donations from the fans must be massively drying up by now.

Would love to see the numbers on these now.

[Green Badger]

Well I’m certainly not the sort to gloat at my neighbors sad demise, but assuming, in some parallel universe there was a version of me with fewer scruples, I’m almost certain he’d be speculating that the FOH donations from the fans must be massively drying up by now.

Would love to see the numbers on these now.

That’s a very good point that I hadn’t considered, do you know how much were they getting previously per month from FOH?

[Eyrie]

Wouldn't surprise me if FoH* is sitting on its cash just now and not passing anything to the club so it can build up a war chest for splashing out on new players when football resumes.

Hearts have previous for this - Benny Factor could have stepped in and paid off the charities and other creditors that they stiffed with their last administration but held off until afterwards.



*I still think we should call it Saving Hearts In Trouble.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Hearts haven’t furloughed their players yet. According to the latest statement she claims they are planning to do that and that negotiations are ongoing.

[CropleyWasGod]

Wouldn't surprise me if FoH* is sitting on its cash just now and not passing anything to the club so it can build up a war chest for splashing out on new players when football resumes.

Hearts have previous for this - Benny Factor could have stepped in and paid off the charities and other creditors that they stiffed with their last administration but held off until afterwards.



*I still think we should call it Saving Hearts In Trouble.

I'd doubt that even Benny had £28m lying about 😆

[Not In The Know]

Let’s not forget the digs she’s having at us in there. Mentioning clubs with wealthy owners and basically saying the FOH model restricts their ability to invest.

She truly is clueless and has wasted £30 million in the last 5 years. What a calamity.

[kennedy]

I'd doubt that even Benny had £28m lying about 😆

I'd put money on either FOH or Budge coming out with the following " Donations to FOH have increased over these troubling times "

[Kato]

Well I’m certainly not the sort to gloat at my neighbors sad demise, .

I've noticed that, Bob. Admirable quality. [emoji106]

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[Kato]

Let’s not forget the digs she’s having at us in there. Mentioning clubs with wealthy owners and basically saying the FOH model restricts their ability to invest.

She truly is clueless and has wasted £30 million in the last 5 years. What a calamity.Canny help themselves. Must be the most parochial on the planet.

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[AltheHibby]

I just had a look over there. Apparently, changing your mind because circumstances have changed is a change of direction. But most definitely not changing your mind.

I'm obviously not a visionary like the budgie or I would understand their logic.:confused:

[cocteautwin]

Let’s not forget the digs she’s having at us in there. Mentioning clubs with wealthy owners and basically saying the FOH model restricts their ability to invest.

She truly is clueless and has wasted £30 million in the last 5 years. What a calamity.

Well Hearts used to have a wealthy owner too. She’s just not as wealthy now as she would have been a few years ago. [emoji23]

[jacomo]

Hearts haven’t furloughed their players yet. According to the latest statement she claims they are planning to do that and that negotiations are ongoing.


Fake News.

Banderson tells me Hearts are always ahead of the pack and lead where others follow.

[Sergio sledge]

The fact of the matter is that she panicked when she saw the loss of income, jumped in with both feet and sent letters out to the squad telling them to take a 50% pay cut or leave.

If she'd waited a few days for the government help scheme to come out and had consultations with the players first of all rather than "being honest" like she says she was then none of the bad publicity would have happened and she might have got the squad on side rather than having to hastily back track now that they've rebelled against her coat cutting.

It's hard to imagine that she didn't see this as an opportunity for getting rid of a large amount of the squad who aren't good enough.

[Jack]

I'd put money on either FOH or Budge coming out with the following " Donations to FOH have increased over these troubling times "

FoH already have.

Edit. There's been lots of folk on here saying for years 'donations will dry up now'. The thing is some might have fallen off but overall they're still going strong.

[Springbank]

The straw clutching over on JKB has gotten worse since that daily record article today.

Now a few can see that there is "mood music" at the spfl that hearts are going down

(i think the exact mood music is,that hearts are going down, going down, hearts are going down)

The strongest argument hearts appear to have left is "you can't relegate hearts because, err, partick thistle!"

[The Spaceman]

The straw clutching over on JKB has gotten worse since that daily record article today.

Now a few can see that there is "mood music" at the spfl that hearts are going down

(i think the exact mood music is,that hearts are going down, going down, hearts are going down)

The strongest argument hearts appear to have left is "you can't relegate hearts because, err, partick thistle!"

Hopefully they can draw each other in the Tunnock's Caramel Wafer Challenge Cup and hold a candle lit vigil for their clubs at the same time. None of the other 30 clubs spread across the top 3 leagues are going to care one single jot about that outcome and will be most thankful for the prize and TV money following a swift decision by the Scottish Footballing authorities to call the tables as they stand.

[The Count]

Barrow manager on Football Focus when asked what should hsppen if leagues cannot be finished. "We should award success not failure".Fair point.

[Keith_M]

FoH already have.

Edit. There's been lots of folk on here saying for years 'donations will dry up now'. The thing is some might have fallen off but overall they're still going strong.


Yeah, if anything, I can imagine the motivation to try to keep their club alive is even stronger now, as it is with us.

[munchar]

Fake News.

Banderson tells me Hearts are always ahead of the pack and lead where others follow.

If this horrible club had 1 ounce of pride or morals, a percentage of the FOH money should be going to pay back creditors from the last time they went bust. I think it’s a disgrace that both Hearts & The Rangers can start again debt free, without a care in the world 🌍 regarding who they’ve shafted along the way. Why didn’t the creditors keep hold of both stadium’s, and both clubs had to pay a rental until full debts were paid back? Trying to run a business is financially very tough & stressful. It looks like both clubs are sticking 2 fingers up at everyone again!

[CropleyWasGod]

If this horrible club had 1 ounce of pride or morals, a percentage of the FOH money should be going to pay back creditors from the last time they went bust. I think it’s a disgrace that both Hearts & The Rangers can start again debt free, without a care in the world 🌍 regarding who they’ve shafted along the way. Why didn’t the creditors keep hold of both stadium’s, and both clubs had to pay a rental until full debts were paid back? Trying to run a business is financially very tough & stressful. It looks like both clubs are sticking 2 fingers up at everyone again!

It would have to be 100%, for about 25 years. :greengrin

Sadly, it happens all the time in the commercial world. Businesses get into difficulties, arrangements are made with creditors, and they start again. People get shafted, but (in theory) the greater good is served by protecting jobs and the public purse.

See also Debenhams.

[dchibs]

[QUOTE=Sergio sledge;6134333]The fact of the matter is that she panicked when she saw the loss of income, jumped in with both feet and sent letters out to the squad telling them to take a 50% pay cut or leave.

If she'd waited a few days for the government help scheme to come out and had consultations with the players first of all rather than "being honest" like she says she was then none of the bad publicity would have happened and she might have got the squad on side rather than having to hastily back track now that they've rebelled against her coat cutting.

Hope they put it in the documentary with all her other cock ups.:aok:

[KeithTheHibby]

Barrow manager on Football Focus when asked what should hsppen if leagues cannot be finished. "We should award success not failure".Fair point.

Not sure what he means there. Is he pushing for no relegation for teams?

[Bostonhibby]

I just had a look over there. Apparently, changing your mind because circumstances have changed is a change of direction. But most definitely not changing your mind.

I'm obviously not a visionary like the budgie or I would understand their logic.:confused:They didn't get to where they are today by changing their mind.

Then again many of them don't have a mind of their own to change.

Pleasing, as they say.

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[Waxy]

Barrow manager on Football Focus when asked what should hsppen if leagues cannot be finished. "We should award success not failure".Fair point.

Success for some teams is not finishing in the relegation zone.

[Hibees1973]

If ever I need cheering up, having a wee look at JKB always puts a smile on my face.

Even given their trials and tribulations just now, they are an amusing lot.

There are a few twitchy ********s over on JKB given the rumours today of the SPFL ending the season now and relegating them because they are bottom of the league.

All kinds of excuses over there why the league should not stop on merit now.

[The Count]

Not sure what he means there. Is he pushing for no relegation for teams?

Think he meant if your top if the League you should be champions however if your bottom you should not you not be rewarded by escaping relegation.Seems fair to me the Jambos relegated as they deserve to be.

[steviehibsleith]

The SFA want the league finished and new one to start in August
New deal with Sky Sports £150 million over 5 years £30 million per year
Losing end of season money to BT or BBC is insignificant
Deluded Hearts thinking it’s to accommodate the old firm are wrong .Also no other team in SPL will vote for reconstruction diluting there cut by £600 k per season
I’m very hopeful league will be ended Hearts down Arabs up.

[The Count]

Might be bias but i want Barrow back in the English Leagues.Brings back memories of my football league tables from the late sixties free in some comic and you amened the league tables every Saturday night.Sorry going stir crazy!!!!!

[Deansy]

If this horrible club had 1 ounce of pride or morals, a percentage of the FOH money should be going to pay back creditors from the last time they went bust. I think it’s a disgrace that both Hearts & The Rangers can start again debt free, without a care in the world �� regarding who they’ve shafted along the way. Why didn’t the creditors keep hold of both stadium’s, and both clubs had to pay a rental until full debts were paid back? Trying to run a business is financially very tough & stressful. It looks like both clubs are sticking 2 fingers up at everyone again!


We all know that they're most definitely immoral but they do have pride, buckets of it ................................. I'm just completely and utterly ****ed if I know where it's coming from, though !. But then again, the Kray twins had pride so why shouldn't Hearts have it !. It's the kind of 'Pride' that allows Budgie to say -

'While some clubs choose to pay lower basic wages topped up by bonus payments, other clubs pay higher basic wages and make less use of bonuses. Hearts fits into this latter category which, in this current situation, means we have a bigger challenge'


Dunno about others but I get a sneering, 'looking down the nose at people with utter contempt' in that statement !. Now, for a club that only recently avoided total extinction, I'd have thought the prudent way to start the 'clean sheet' that they got - from the con-job they managed with the creditors - would've been low-wages and high win-bonuses (Yeah, I know - they'd have saved a ****ing fortune this season !) but them being them just couldn't bring themselves to do that !. They just couldn't bear to run the risk of looking like a 'Small club' - no, not them, with them it's 'Johnny Big-Baws' or nothing ! So once again the gamble was made to employ players they just couldn't afford (in all reality, to gain the upper hand in the derby - they certainly didn't do it with serious aspirations to topple Septic !) and once again, they're a baw-hair away from administration !. This time will be different I believe - the last time they got a lot of support from neutrals but I can't see that being the case this time - 'Fool me once, shame on you .... etc, etc' !

[Aldo]

The SFA want the league finished and new one to start in August
New deal with Sky Sports £150 million over 5 years £30 million per year
Losing end of season money to BT or BBC is insignificant
Deluded Hearts thinking it’s to accommodate the old firm are wrong .Also no other team in SPL will vote for reconstruction diluting there cut by £600 k per season
I’m very hopeful league will be ended Hearts down Arabs up.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the preverbal head there. 600k is a **** lot of money for clubs and why would anyone vote for league reconstruction if it means less money!

Hopefully decision will be made by the end of this week!


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[Billy Whizz]

Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams

[mjh]

Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams

Car crash interview

[Billy Whizz]

Car crash interview

It sure is. Shame the guys in the studio can’t ask her questions, like they did with the Aberdeen chairman

[Frazerbob]

This is like listening to a Trump press conference.

[Del Boy]

She knows they’re going down

[Billy Whizz]

Biscuits coming on now

[TheGreenMan]

Imagine the plaudits she'd get if she had the grace to accept whatever the final outcome is given the circumstances. Instead she's scrambling to patch the hole in the boat when it's already sunk in terms of her financial mismanagement and now blaming players.

[The 90+2]

Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams

Also they don’t have investors yet no question asked about this mystery benefactor that tops them up every single year.

[The 90+2]

It sure is. Shame the guys in the studio can’t ask her questions, like they did with the Aberdeen chairman

It’s been conducted by her pal McGlaughlin.

[Bostonhibby]

Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teamsCringeworthy, the poor woman can't realise how she sounds, surely.

However she was setting it all up they just couldn't sustain it immediately the games stopped. Only ever a few games away from her business "model" collapsing.

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[tamig]

Not sure what he means there. Is he pushing for no relegation for teams?

And is the word reward or award?

[munchar]

Also they don’t have investors yet no question asked about this mystery benefactor that tops them up every single year.

What is this mystery benefactors role? Do they not need to show in their accounts where money’s coming from, & is it taxable? Also, is it a gift or repayable?

[greenpaper55]

Aberdeen chairman on BBC Scotland website said today "Cormack believes if Scottish football does not resume until late July or early August, there will be no "choice but to call the league" as it stands."
Yaaaas

[Kato]

Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teamsLet's see. It'll be because that's the contracts they chose to negotiate.

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[The 90+2]

What is this mystery benefactors role? Do they not need to show in their accounts where money’s coming from, & is it taxable? Also, is it a gift or repayable?

I think they have to show it on the accounts as gifts to the club but don’t reveal who it is. Yet they start crying about wage cuts instead of deferrals because they have no investors. They have something much more beneficial than investors.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Let’s not forget the digs she’s having at us in there. Mentioning clubs with wealthy owners and basically saying the FOH model restricts their ability to invest.

She truly is clueless and has wasted £30 million in the last 5 years. What a calamity.

We dont have a rich owner though just a wealthy majority shareholder. On the other hand they actually do have a rich owner and will soon have thousands of skint ones.

[Bostonhibby]

We dont have a rich owner though just a wealthy majority shareholder. On the other hand they actually do have a rich owner and will soon have thousands of skint ones.It's hard to disagree with any of that since it's 100% correct.

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[mjhibby]

Can we just clarify now that we dont need to hear "i dont care..theres more important things right now" when Hearts are confirmed as relegated. Yes there is more important things but that does not mean we cannot have a serious laugh at them going down. Their support in general are arrogant, deluded thickos and deserve nothing less than trips to Alloa and Arbroath in freezing cold January. I hope they stay down there for years.

Bit harsh there are you not...




Just at a couple of years should be fine. They will still be arrogant,blinkered,brainwashed and incapable of discussing football but they are still our nearest rivals. My god they will be moaning that will be not be able to increase the gap in derby wins. Don't laugh you know they will mention it. I'll wait till relegation is confirmed before having a celebration tipple

[mjhibby]

And yes there are far more important things like making sure the whole shambles of a way this has been handled on all fronts has been learned from and for once making sure all the horrendous hubris and total ineptitude is avoided. Possibly for the holy ground but the more we find out about the govts handling of this the more angrier I get. Be safe.

[PatHead]

[QUOTE=mjhibby;6134613]Bit harsh there are you not...




Just at a couple of years should be fine. They will still be arrogant,blinkered,brainwashed and incapable of discussing football but they are still our nearest rivals. My god they will be moaning that will be not be able to increase the gap in derby wins. Don't laugh you know they will mention it. I'll wait till relegation is confirmed before having a celebration tipple[/QUOTE
50 years in the lower divisions wouldn't be enough for me.

[jacomo]

Someone will probably tell me I’m wrong in a minute right enough, just speaking from my own experience. I think a lot of it comes down to the what is stated in your contract, irrespective of your occupation.


Part of the problem is that we are all feeling our way here. But my employer’s take on it is that employees need to consent to furlough.

[the tornadoe]

[QUOTE=mjhibby;6134613]Bit harsh there are you not...




Just at a couple of years should be fine. They will still be arrogant,blinkered,brainwashed and incapable of discussing football but they are still our nearest rivals. My god they will be moaning that will be not be able to increase the gap in derby wins. Don't laugh you know they will mention it. I'll wait till relegation is confirmed before having a celebration tipple[/QUOTE
50 years in the lower divisions wouldn't be enough for me.

For me, after the The Rangers having all the rules bent, twisted and totally dicarded to allow them to start again in the bottom league then Hearts waiting a couple of days to declare administration to avoid relegation and bumping all their debts if they are not relegated this season then Scottish football is done !
Been a season ticket holder x2 for many years now and to be honest at the point where unless the Scottish game is administered in a fair and proper manner what is the point of it all. Clubs can spend what they want outwith their means gaining an unfair sporting advantage then go t!ts up dumping all their debt and start again awash with cash to do the same thing all over again !!
I have not renewed my season tickets yet....

[Gmack7]

Part of the problem is that we are all feeling our way here. But my employer’s take on it is that employees need to consent to furlough.

also my experience. i had to agree at 6pm last night when i received the email

[munchar]

[QUOTE=PatHead;6134619]

For me, after the The Rangers having all the rules bent, twisted and totally dicarded to allow them to start again in the bottom league then Hearts waiting a couple of days to declare administration to avoid relegation and bumping all their debts if they are not relegated this season then Scottish football is done !
Been a season ticket holder x2 for many years now and to be honest at the point where unless the Scottish game is administered in a fair and proper manner what is the point of it all. Clubs can spend what they want outwith their means gaining an unfair sporting advantage then go t!ts up dumping all their debt and start again awash with cash to do the same thing all over again !!
I have not renewed my season tickets yet....

Great post, & totally agree. Very frustrating imo how the same 2 teams seem to be doing the same again, & most probably the rule makers will accommodate them. Like yourself. I think it’s very delusional, although we’ll both renew for the love of Hibs, even though you could argue it’s corrupt the way certain clubs do what they want with no repercussions. Hand on heart, if it was Hibs in the same position right now as Hearts & league finished as it stands, I’d have no qualms. They’re there on merit. League table doesn’t lie. Admin 2 perhaps? Start again with no debt, and once again have an unfair advantage over the rest. Down you go Hearts. Enjoy paying the 6-8 grand wages down there.

[Billy Whizz]

[QUOTE=the tornadoe;6134632]

Great post, & totally agree. Very frustrating imo how the same 2 teams seem to be doing the same again, & most probably the rule makers will accommodate them. Like yourself. I think it’s very delusional, although we’ll both renew for the love of Hibs, even though you could argue it’s corrupt the way certain clubs do what they want with no repercussions. Hand on heart, if it was Hibs in the same position right now as Hearts & league finished as it stands, I’d have no qualms. They’re there on merit. League table doesn’t lie. Admin 2 perhaps? Start again with no debt, and once again have an unfair advantage over the rest. Down you go Hearts. Enjoy paying the 6-8 grand wages down there.

Other than Football debts, presume most of Hearts debts are due to who built the new stand
They can immorally get rid of all their players in admin

[the tornadoe]

[QUOTE=munchar;6134656]

Other than Football debts, presume most of Hearts debts are due to who built the new stand
They can immorally get rid of all their players in admin

That's the thing for me though ... the Football Debt means debts to other clubs.. it should mean all debts owed by a football club. If that rule was implemented then none of this administration / liquidation would get them out of jail free.. they would be forced to run their clubs properly as most others do including ourselves.

[munchar]

[QUOTE=Billy Whizz;6134660]

That's the thing for me though ... the Football Debt means debts to other clubs.. it should mean all debts owed by a football club. If that rule was implemented then none of this administration / liquidation would get them out of jail free.. they would be forced to run their clubs properly as most others do including ourselves.

That’s what’s so frustrating. It’s actually a license to commit fraud. Pay your football debts, but bump everyone else!! Ffs 🤬 Hence while they’re trying to force their players to take a cut. If they go bust, they’ll still be liable for their contracts in full. Naismith (who’s voluntarily took 50% cut) & Boyce are on long term big money contracts.

[Ozyhibby]

The football debt rule is the reason HMRC never vote for a CVA with a football club.


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[Sioux]

The impression I get from the Old Trout's latest reincarnation of the truth, is that the players will be on furlough, and obviously getting £2,500 per month. The bold Trout, using the Article 12 suspension clause, now introduces a twist whereby she is now contemplating paying the players a percentage of their salary, over and above the £2,500, because she's a really good person and doing them a favour! All on the basis that hertz are a big famous club. She doesn't need to do this.

If anyone in the media or social media says different, they must be lying.

(She says negotiations with the players regarding that percentage continues, and that is maybe an indication that she is not particularly comfortable with the legality of Clause 12.)

She's got herself into this mess because she jumped in with both feet far too early, within hours, of football being suspended. Her solution was the threat of wage cuts, cancelling contracts, taking legal action against whoever, etc.

The rest of football took time to analyse what it meant to them, and then to act accordingly. Most people do this, even if it is subconsciously.

She's a ******* chancer!

[EI255]

I would imagine Naismith collected full wages during his lengthy injury spell(s). He would have some nerve not accepting a pay cut now.Absolutely.

Don't know what he earns, probably easy £9k+ pw? Not bad for a guy who plays around half a season, every season. And STILL bums himself into the national team. Just W T F?

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[Since90+2]

Absolutely.

Don't know what he earns, probably easy £9k+ pw? Not bad for a guy who plays around half a season, every season. And STILL bums himself into the national team. Just W T F?

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Naismith won't on circa 10k a week at Hearts. No chance.

[Waxy]

Wonder how many extra million the jambos have had chucked at them over the last 40 years.

The brown envelope will be getting stuffed as we speak.

[Not In The Know]

Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams
The tone of the interviewer is pathetic. Whispered voice it’s like someone’s just died. No cross examination or any questions asked by the muppets in the studio afterwards

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-comprehensive-hearts-transcript-21813458

Is this the same as the pre-record? Generosity of the club?? Does she mean the lucrative contracts?

[04Sauzee]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-comprehensive-hearts-transcript-21813458

Is this the same as the pre-record? Generosity of the club?? Does she mean the lucrative contracts?
I struggle to understand her ramblings

[munchar]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-comprehensive-hearts-transcript-21813458

Is this the same as the pre-record? Generosity of the club?? Does she mean the lucrative contracts?

1- Your crying about the bigger basic wages Hearts pay. If you knew you couldn’t afford them, why offer them?
2- If admin comes along a second time, you must pay football debts, is this why you’re trying to reduce the contracts you negotiated by 50%?
3- League rules states they can finish whenever they choose. What could you argue, especially given the circumstances with the worldwide pandemic, that you think they’d bend the rules...again?

[Not In The Know]

All this bigger basic wage pish is a smoke screen. Every footballers contract has bonuses built in. Lying again. They fork out above average basic wages and now can’t afford them. Deja vu all over again. And if folk think she doesn’t lie fact check her 50% wage cut denial nonsense.

[Keith_M]

Why did Budge find it necessary to mention Hibs while trying to justify the running of her club?

:confused:


She even seemed to insinuate that Hibs had a rich owner that could invest massive amounts in his club while poor wee Hearts don't have that option.



Budge, you are utterly pathetic!

[The Spaceman]

1- Your crying about the bigger basic wages Hearts pay. If you knew you couldn’t afford them, why offer them?
2- If admin comes along a second time, you must pay football debts, is this why you’re trying to reduce the contracts you negotiated by 50%?
3- League rules states they can finish whenever they choose. What could you argue, especially given the circumstances with the worldwide pandemic, that you think they’d bend the rules...again?

This is the key point our maroon chums over the road continually try to sweep under the carpet. Our footballing authorities have the power to call the league as the tables stand at present because it is the only option in the rule book to deal with highly unusual circumstances which we find ourselves in. Any other option will be met with fierce financial and legal repercussions as it would be a made-up arrangement.

Let Hearts try and take a global pandemic to court. More time and money wasted on their behalf and even more hilarity for us!

[Since90+2]

Why did Budge find it necessary to mention Hibs while trying to justify the running of her club?

:confused:


She even seemed to insinuate that Hibs had a rich owner that could invest massive amounts in his club while poor wee Hearts don't have that option.



Budge, you are utterly pathetic!

They are obsessed with us.

[Kato]

[QUOTE=munchar;6134656]

Other than Football debts, presume most of Hearts debts are due to who built the new stand


So Budge's brother will be done over if she decides to place Hearts in admin again?



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[Kato]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ann-budges-comprehensive-hearts-transcript-21813458

Is this the same as the pre-record? Generosity of the club?? Does she mean the lucrative contracts?It all sounds like an essay in trying to gain sympathy. She points out that other clubs have had investment from owners but slips the word "benefactors" I without revealing that they have actually rifled through millions in external investment and proceeded to mess the whole lot up.

Jeez, though she doesn't have go on. Brevity isn't her strong point.

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[Real Emerald]

[QUOTE=Billy Whizz;6134660]

So Budge's brother will be done over if she decides to place Hearts in admin again?


I wonder if she’s wishing she’d just gone to the bingo instead of following the flumps 😂😂😂😂
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[Real Emerald]

[QUOTE=Kato;6134742]

No idea how my reply ended up in the original post 😳

[jacomo]

I struggle to understand her ramblings


Did Budge not clarify things for you?

It’s very straightforward.

She is inept.

Reading between the lines: her 50% cut ultimatum has pissed off a lot of the players and administration is a live issue for Hearts once again.

[Waxy]

If it was any other team struggling for cash (like every team just now) and in the relegation area, they’d just accept it.
Not whine and moan and spout porkies to everyone.

[Deansy]

Wot she really said -


'The key point which I've tried to explain to the players, and I have at length discussed with the SPFA and their representatives is: no two clubs are run the same'. You see, the main reason we beat Aberdeen to sign Liam Boyce is because we lied our XXXXXXX ***** off, honestly, I couldn't believe that the Muppet swallowed all the guff we came out with - first we hit him with the 400,000 fans line (In fact, 'Size' was a major player in our talks !, Then we went on about our world-class new stand with a great view of the castle, we then went on to telling him about how much our new stand had cost but omitted to tell the clown that (a) it's not paid for yet and (b) it's highly unlikely it ever will now that the brown-stuff has really hit the fan!. After that we explained about our world-class training-facilities .................. again, we kinda forgot to mention that we can only use it once all the children's clubs are finished playing rounders, 5-a side etc !. We knew we had him when we told him of our military achievements - he genuinely believe that there's been 4 world-wars and that we'd played a major part in winning all 4 of them !. The clincher was the 1-5 game and how all football had stopped in Scotland in tribute to it and will only re-start next time we beat Hibs !


Don't bother, I'v already got my coat !

[FilipinoHibs]

1- Your crying about the bigger basic wages Hearts pay. If you knew you couldn’t afford them, why offer them?
2- If admin comes along a second time, you must pay football debts, is this why you’re trying to reduce the contracts you negotiated by 50%?
3- League rules states they can finish whenever they choose. What could you argue, especially given the circumstances with the worldwide pandemic, that you think they’d bend the rules...again?

Salaries not counted as football debts. Regulations allow a club to suspend and pay off players for an insolvency event. Football debt is to football related outside bodies.

She would be best to take voluntary administration, take the 15 point hit now while season technically live. Since FOH don't have shares use their £ 2.4 million to buy club settling with the limited number of creditors, giving budge some pay off. Start next season in championship funding team from season ticket sales and some FOH contributions.

[munchar]

Salaries not counted as football debts. Regulations allow a club to suspend and pay off players for an insolvency event. Football debt is to football related outside bodies.

She would be best to take voluntary administration, take the 15 point hit now while season technically live. Since FOH don't have shares use their £ 2.4 million to buy club settling with the limited number of creditors, giving budge some pay off. Start next season in championship funding team from season ticket sales and some FOH contributions.

Does it not look like one of the creditors may be her brothers company who are building the stand? Imo, she has to get her & her brothers cash back before the 💩 happens. If going into admin also, any players worth anything will be sold to pay back creditors. Maybe as her brothers a Hibby, he may own the stand until it’s complete, paid for & signed off! How amusing would that be?

[cocteautwin]

Does it not look like one of the creditors may be her brothers company who are building the stand? Imo, she has to get her & her brothers cash back before the [emoji90] happens. If going into admin also, any players worth anything will be sold to pay back creditors. Maybe as her brothers a Hibby, he may own the stand until it’s complete, paid for & signed off! How amusing would that be?

The amount due to JB Contracts was just the balance as at 30 June 2019. One would assume that it was all paid off sometime soon after 30 June when the new season benefactor money started flowing in. It won’t be clear until the next accounts are published.

[FilipinoHibs]

The amount due to JB Contracts was just the balance as at 30 June 2019. One would assume that it was all paid off sometime soon after 30 June when the new season benefactor money started flowing in. It won’t be clear until the next accounts are published.

That would be very prudent and most unlike Hearts.

[cocteautwin]

That would be very prudent and most unlike Hearts.

Family takes precedence over prudence in the HMFC accounting manual one would imagine.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

What is the deal with the alleged legal challenges that the rangers, hearts and unnamed others (unnamed because they don't exist?)?

Void the season - no European places
Call the season - no European places
Finish the season - at least six months before the games will be played

Budge seems to have friends in the media that seem to be putting a positive spin on things fornher. The rangers seem to be deploying their usual tactics of 'sporting integrity'.

Have the like of thistle threatened legal action if the season is called?

[Kojock]

Did Budge not clarify things for you?

It’s very straightforward.

She is inept.

Reading between the lines: her 50% cut ultimatum has pissed off a lot of the players and administration is a live issue for Hearts once again.

And the view from over the road.

“Queen Ann you are not perfect, you make mistakes, but we all do! But we know that everything you do is with the best of intentions to make HMFC continue to be the greatest football club in the world!”

We love you - HHGH

[JimBHibees]

And the view from over the road.

“Queen Ann you are not perfect, you make mistakes, but we all do! But we know that everything you do is with the best of intentions to make HMFC continue to be the greatest football club in the world!”

We love you - HHGH

Does Tom English post under his own name? :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

And the view from over the road.

“Queen Ann you are not perfect, you make mistakes, but we all do! But we know that everything you do is with the best of intentions to make HMFC continue to be the greatest football club in the world!”

We love you - HHGHKiwidug by any chance?[emoji16]

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[hibbyfraelibby]

The police investigation into Romanov has been completed and has concluded he stole £37m from his bank. Mmmm wonder if that figure stacks up to his sporting investments in our pink chums.

So its official. They didn't owe it to themselves after all they owed the proceeds of crime to ripped off Lithuanian bank account holders, pension funds and other investors.

[Kato]

.

So its official. They didn't owe it to themselves after all they owed the proceeds of crime to ripped off Lithuanian bank account holders, pension funds and other investors.


Is there not an SFA ruling against clubs who have won trophies using the proceeds of crimes?

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[FilipinoHibs]

The police investigation into Romanov has been completed and has concluded he stole £37m from his bank. Mmmm wonder if that figure stacks up to his sporting investments in our pink chums.So its official. They didn't owe it to themselves after all they owed the proceeds of crime to ripped off Lithuanian bank account holders, pension funds and other investors.The total hole in the balance sheet of UKIO Bankas was around £300 million. So only part of it. The rest where loans via UBIG to Romanov's various enterprises. Taking into account debt written off/converted to shares which was about £40 million, Hearts final real debt was £70+ million of which about £55 billion was owed and never paid back to the bank. This money went on the initial £22 million of debt Romanov took on from Robinson and the salaries of their huge squad over a number of years. The £37 million he stole was separate from these transactions.

[Kato]

The £37 million he stole was separate from these transactions.

Prosecutors are saying part of the £37M was used to purchase Hearts.

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[Ozyhibby]

What is the deal with the alleged legal challenges that the rangers, hearts and unnamed others (unnamed because they don't exist?)?

Void the season - no European places
Call the season - no European places
Finish the season - at least six months before the games will be played

Budge seems to have friends in the media that seem to be putting a positive spin on things fornher. The rangers seem to be deploying their usual tactics of 'sporting integrity'.

Have the like of thistle threatened legal action if the season is called?

The SPFL rules clearly give the SPFL board the power to end the league in exceptional circumstances when they like. I can’t see any grounds for any legal action. I also don’t think Sevco would get involved now that King has gone. They have enough legal problems.


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[Prof. Shaggy]

The total hole in the balance sheet of UKIO Bankas was around £300 million. So only part of it. The rest where loans via UBIG to Romanov's various enterprises. Taking into account debt written off/converted to shares which was about £40 billion, Hearts final real debt was £70+ million of which about £55 billion was owed and never paid back to the bank. This money went on the initial £22 million of debt Romanov took on from Robinson and the salaries of their huge squad over a number of years. The £37 million he stole was separate from these transactions.

And they still couldn't win the league!

[Bostonhibby]

Prosecutors are saying part of the £37M was used to purchase Hearts.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkAnother interesting part of their recent shady history. Pity they'll probably never get Romanov before a judge.

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[FilipinoHibs]

And they still couldn't win the league!

What is more interesting is that 6 billion of dirty Russian money was laundered through UKIO Bankas to offshore tax havens . UKio Bankas was paid a fee to do this and these fees were likely used to fund Hearts via Romanov's UBIG investment company. Hearts funded by dirty money.

[Kato]

Another interesting part of their recent shady history. Pity they'll probably never get Romanov before a judge.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkHe's scheduled to be tried in his absence later this year along with 12 other Ukio Officials. The 12 will be in court. Hope they sing like canaries.

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[Keith_M]

Tainted Trophies?

[AltheHibby]

I think you need to switch the 'billion' for 'million'.


Unless he stole a lot more than any of us realised

:wink:.

Cant tell the difference between millions and billions?

Undercover yam?:wink:

[Bostonhibby]

He's scheduled to be tried in his absence later this year along with 12 other Ukio Officials. The 12 will be in court. Hope they sing like canaries.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkExcellent. Wonder if they'll have the DVD of the trial in the Hearts shop?

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[FilipinoHibs]

I think you need to switch the 'billion' for 'million'.


Unless he stole a lot more than any of us realised

:wink:.

Yes 40 billion should be million.

[Kato]

Tainted Trophies?Worse than tainted, illegal.

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[greenginger]

What is more interesting is that 6 billion of dirty Russian money was laundered through UKIO Bankas to offshore tax havens . UKio Bankas was paid a fee to do this and these fees were likely used to fund Hearts via Romanov's UBIG investment company. Hearts funded by dirty money.


Wonder if if there will be a call for their Cup wins to be forfeit. :greengrin

[Eyrie]

Wonder if if there will be a call for their Cup wins to be forfeit. :greengrin

The Lance Armstrong treatment. The void titles will always draw attention.

Fifty years from now kids will be asking "Why wasn't there a Scottish Cup winner in 2006 or 2012?"

The explanation will be "Hearts were stripped of the trophies for cheating."

And the kids' reply "They were at it even that long ago!"

[mixumatosis]

The Lance Armstrong treatment. The void titles will always draw attention.

Fifty years from now kids will be asking "Why wasn't there a Scottish Cup winner in 2006 or 2012?"

The explanation will be "Hearts were stripped of the trophies for cheating."

And the kids' reply "Who were Hearts ?"

Fixed

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The Lance Armstrong treatment. The void titles will always draw attention.

Fifty years from now kids will be asking "Why wasn't there a Scottish Cup winner in 2006 or 2012?"

The explanation will be "Hearts were stripped of the trophies for cheating."

And the kids' reply "They were at it even that long ago!"

Lance - he must have wanted to get caught even his autobiography gave a big neon sign clue “It’s not about the bike”. Wonder what Hearts tainted book will be entitled?

[linlithgowhibbie]

Wonder if if there will be a call for their Cup wins to be forfeit. :greengrin

There will be from me!:flag::flag:

[Bostonhibby]

Lance - he must have wanted to get caught even his autobiography gave a big neon sign clue “It’s not about the bike”. Wonder what Hearts tainted book will be entitled?We thought we owed it to ourselves?

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[where'stheslope]

If they get relegated they will say forever that would have stayed up with 8 games to go!
Yet other teams escaped relegation as promoted teams did not have a compliant stadium!!!
We all know what they are like, forever picked on!!!!

[Since452]

If they get relegated they will say forever that would have stayed up with 8 games to go!
Yet other teams escaped relegation as promoted teams did not have a compliant stadium!!!
We all know what they are like, forever picked on!!!!

It would just make it even funnier

[Sammy7nil]

I know it is impossible but would love the season to be played out and for them to go down. Not winning any of their remaining 8 games, that would be fun :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Lance - he must have wanted to get caught even his autobiography gave a big neon sign clue “It’s not about the bike”. Wonder what Hearts tainted book will be entitled?

The bike wrote its own autobiography. It was called "Well, **** you, Lance"

[Tug Wilson]

Read Ann Budge's statement in the EEN.

She states that other clubs have investors that can put funds in to them but that Hearts have relied on benefactors.

Surely benefactors are better than investors. They give a gift with no strings attached.

Can Hearts not just go back to their benefactors for more?

[eastmainsmsh]

Another interesting part of their recent shady history. Pity they'll probably never get Romanov before a judge.

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All that Money and they were lucky to beat Gretna on penalties lol no shame that lot

[KeithTheHibby]

If they get relegated they will say forever that would have stayed up with 8 games to go!
Yet other teams escaped relegation as promoted teams did not have a compliant stadium!!!
We all know what they are like, forever picked on!!!!

Anyone apart from a yam won't care. The record book will state they were relegated if this is the route the SPFL take.

[Caversham Green]

Read Ann Budge's statement in the EEN.

She states that other clubs have investors that can put funds in to them but that Hearts have relied on benefactors.

Surely benefactors are better than investors. They give a gift with no strings attached.

Can Hearts not just go back to their benefactors for more?

What she's saying is incoherent rubbish.

Ron Gordon or Dave Cormack could loan their clubs some money and get it back in due course. So could Ann Budge.

Alternatively they could simply give the money to their clubs for no return, just like Benny Factor has been doing at Hearts. So could ann Budge.

What she's really saying is that she's not willing to either loan or give her club any more money but she expects the major shareholders of other clubs to do just that.

[007]

Worse than tainted, illegal.

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Yes, how embarrassing, cups bought with the proceeds of crime. Of course none of them will be embarrassed about it though.

[Billy Whizz]

Yes, how embarrassing, cups bought with the proceeds of crime. Of course none of them will be embarrassed about it though.

Had a look, but the story hasn’t reached kickback yet, not a surprise

[truehibernian]

Yes, how embarrassing, cups bought with the proceeds of crime. Of course none of them will be embarrassed about it though.

Devil's advocate, but we didn't help ourselves that day by the unprofessional build up, arguments over bonuses, team being leaked by the insider we all know who, Leigh playing through an injury and pain barrier, and refereeing decisions that were simply awful (Black on Leigh, the 'penalty' outside the box, etc.).

Hearts deserved the win, but we sure as hell made it easier for them the way we performed before and during it, helped by incompetent officiating.

I was in the reconstruction camp (and saving them from relegation), but after hearing Budge recently and her excuses, the email about funds for transfer fees, and treatment of their players, I want them relegated :agree: this is a team who have been propped up by huge benefactor payments no other side around them has received............and they go into hiding it seems when they are in an hour of need. Sod them, hope the authorities decide on one down, one up, and crown Celtic the champions. Simplest way forward for all. Any reconstruction can happen for the season after :aok: they continually defy living within means and then cry like a baby when things are against them - done so for years too.

Hibs, Ron and Leeann, and the players and staff at Hibs are all displaying immense class and humility (and compassion for all) - I'm even more proud supporting the club :aok:

[Tug Wilson]

Devil's advocate, but we didn't help ourselves that day by the unprofessional build up, arguments over bonuses, team being leaked by the insider we all know who, Leigh playing through an injury and pain barrier, and refereeing decisions that were simply awful (Black on Leigh, the 'penalty' outside the box, etc.).

Hearts deserved the win, but we sure as hell made it easier for them the way we performed before and during it, helped by incompetent officiating.

I was in the reconstruction camp (and saving them from relegation), but after hearing Budge recently and her excuses, the email about funds for transfer fees, and treatment of their players, I want them relegated :agree: this is a team who have been propped up by huge benefactor payments no other side around them has received............and they go into hiding it seems when they are in an hour of need. Sod them, hope the authorities decide on one down, one up, and crown Celtic the champions. Simplest way forward for all. Any reconstruction can happen for the season after :aok: they continually defy living within means and then cry like a baby when things are against them - done so for years too.

Hibs, Ron and Leeann, and the players and staff at Hibs are all displaying immense class and humility (and compassion for all) - I'm even more proud supporting the club :aok:

Spot on

[G B Young]

Had a look, but the story hasn’t reached kickback yet, not a surprise

Stay safe sweet prince...

[Jim44]

The total hole in the balance sheet of UKIO Bankas was around £300 million. So only part of it. The rest where loans via UBIG to Romanov's various enterprises. Taking into account debt written off/converted to shares which was about £40 million, Hearts final real debt was £70+ million of which about £55 billion was owed and never paid back to the bank. This money went on the initial £22 million of debt Romanov took on from Robinson and the salaries of their huge squad over a number of years. The £37 million he stole was separate from these transactions.

If my arithmetic is correct, that’s £100k for every fan.:greengrin

[jacomo]

Worse than tainted, illegal.

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A criminal enterprise.

[Joe6-2]

The Lance Armstrong treatment. The void titles will always draw attention.

Fifty years from now kids will be asking "Why wasn't there a Scottish Cup winner in 2006 or 2012?"

The explanation will be "Hearts were stripped of the trophies for cheating."

And the kids' reply "They were at it even that long ago!"

More likely ask, who?

[Bostonhibby]

More likely ask, who?That's the answer to one of the interview questions for the Hearts managers job.

It worked for Desperate Dan.

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[The Captain....]

What she's saying is incoherent rubbish.

Ron Gordon or Dave Cormack could loan their clubs some money and get it back in due course. So could Ann Budge.

Alternatively they could simply give the money to their clubs for no return, just like Benny Factor has been doing at Hearts. So could ann Budge.

What she's really saying is that she's not willing to either loan or give her club any more money but she expects the major shareholders of other clubs to do just that.Bang on..Budge has spouted absolute contradictiry nonsense since this started. Her stewardship of Hearts has seen her taken advantage of from player contracts, jobs for the boys and stadium development culminating in her bungling of the negotiations with her employees at a time when they would have been hoping for clarity and any form of compassion for their circumstances.

She should also shut her saggy puss referencing other clubs and get her own house in order.

Personally I think her mismanagement will ultimately see Hearts demise as a top tier club. The mistakes are too many and too costly for that shower of **** to recover. I wont particularly miss them tbh.

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[Sioux]

Bang on..Budge has spouted absolute contradictory nonsense since this started. Her stewardship of Hearts has seen her taken advantage of from player contracts, jobs for the boys and stadium development culminating in her bungling of the negotiations with her employees at a time when they would have been hoping for clarity and any form of compassion for their circumstances.

She should also shut her saggy puss referencing other clubs and get her own house in order.

Personally I think her mismanagement will ultimately see Hearts demise as a top tier club. The mistakes are too many and too costly for that shower of **** to recover. I wont particularly miss them tbh.

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It won't get any better when their fans are the owners. They won't appoint anyone to the board who are even remotely running on the 'only pay what you can afford' train.

[greenginger]

It won't get any better when their fans are the owners. They won't appoint anyone to the board who are even remotely running on the 'only pay what you can afford' train.


Yep, it’ll be the speculate to accumulate guys who get the votes . :cb

[Stonewall]

Yep, it’ll be the speculate to accumulate guys who get the votes . :cb

Are they really going to get to vote for every board member. That’s a recipe for disaster.

[Sioux]

Are they really going to get to vote for every board member. That’s a recipe for disaster.

Can you imagine those KB fuds not getting a vote? "Its my club, I'll decide!" Anarchy.

Just now they are supporters of the 'famous'. They'll soon own the famous which will give them all an even greater sense of importance. The only fans in the world that own their club stuff.

The possibilities are endless. Can you imagine if they got the shares a year ago, and were in the state they are in now? They'd be kicking heids round the back of the bus shelter.

[munchar]

It won't get any better when their fans are the owners. They won't appoint anyone to the board who are even remotely running on the 'only pay what you can afford' train.

Great point. I genuinely think Hearts fans are brought up/brainwashed with this mentality. Just pay whatever they want and “maybe” we’ll be successful. But as long as we can beat Hibs, it’ll be worthwhile. The handover can’t come quickly enough for me.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

What % of contributions has Benny made?
What’s the chances is a significant proportion compared with other clubs.
For me there’s a difference of “simple fans” (Vlad quote) paying in say 45% and Benny out there with 55% and other clubs 80 - 20% (for a spread of larger contributors)

[Tug Wilson]

It won't get any better when their fans are the owners. They won't appoint anyone to the board who are even remotely running on the 'only pay what you can afford' train.

Barcelona have a membership vote for President of the club. I can only presume that Hearts will do the same as they are both big clubs.

Can't help feel that the winner will be the person who promises the world.

[Eyrie]

Fixed


More likely ask, who?

Fingers crossed :greengrin

[bringbackbenny]

Barcelona have a membership vote for President of the club. I can only presume that Hearts will do the same as they are both big clubs.

Can't help feel that the winner will be the person who promises the world.

I'd vote for one of the hat kickers😅

[We done it Dad]

I might be wrong but I think the fans vote for
2 board members, the board then vote on the
rest of the board.{or appoint them}

[The Captain....]

It won't get any better when their fans are the owners. They won't appoint anyone to the board who are even remotely running on the 'only pay what you can afford' train.Very true..the big club delusion wouldn't accommodate anything as ethical as only spending what you can afford.

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[CropleyWasGod]

I might be wrong but I think the fans vote for
2 board members, the board then vote on the
rest of the board.{or appoint them}

FOH, as the major shareholder, will vote on all appointments of directors at the AGM. In between AGMs, the Board appoint the members.

[Sioux]

FOH, as the major shareholder, will vote on all appointments of directors at the AGM. In between AGMs, the Board appoint the members.

FOH could have an almighty bun fight on their hands as to the eventual selection of appointees. Could be a fun watch.

[We done it Dad]

FOH, as the major shareholder, will vote on all appointments of directors at the AGM. In between AGMs, the Board appoint the members.

I'm so glad to have you back to keep us right.

[Keith_M]

FOH could have an almighty bun fight on their hands as to the eventual selection of appointees. Could be a fun watch.


But I don't think it would be one shareholder, one vote, would it?

Wouldn't it be that F-Off-Hearts have a chairperson, president, or whatever, and they make the final decision?

[lapsedhibee]

Might be bias but i want Barrow back in the English Leagues.Brings back memories of my football league tables from the late sixties free in some comic and you amened the league tables every Saturday night.Sorry going stir crazy!!!!!

I remember those ladders.

[Ozyhibby]

But I don't think it would be one shareholder, one vote, would it?

Wouldn't it be that F-Off-Hearts have a chairperson, president, or whatever, and they make the final decision?

It will indeed be one share holder one vote. FOH will force Budge out soon. Then the fun will begin.


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[Keith_M]

It will indeed be one share holder one vote. FOK will force Budge out soon. Then the fun will begin.


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In that case, it sounds like fun times ahead.

[007]

In that case, it sounds like fun times ahead.

There'll be mass gatherings in plaza threatening to storm the hospitality suites on a monthly basis when things aren't going well.

[Caversham Green]

Bang on..Budge has spouted absolute contradictiry nonsense since this started. Her stewardship of Hearts has seen her taken advantage of from player contracts, jobs for the boys and stadium development culminating in her bungling of the negotiations with her employees at a time when they would have been hoping for clarity and any form of compassion for their circumstances.

She should also shut her saggy puss referencing other clubs and get her own house in order.

Personally I think her mismanagement will ultimately see Hearts demise as a top tier club. The mistakes are too many and too costly for that shower of **** to recover. I wont particularly miss them tbh.

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Let's not forget that she has invested less than half what Ron Gordon has put into Hibs and she has the guarantee of getting it all back with interest - Ron doesn't have any such guarantee. So who is the most dedicated owner?

[jacomo]

It won't get any better when their fans are the owners. They won't appoint anyone to the board who are even remotely running on the 'only pay what you can afford' train.


Even with the best leadership possible, they are saddled with an awful stadium and still renting training pitches at a shared facility.

[Deansy]

Lance - he must have wanted to get caught even his autobiography gave a big neon sign clue “It’s not about the bike”. Wonder what Hearts tainted book will be entitled?


Maybe something that would be reminiscent of their favourite chant -


'Hearts, Hearts, Nefarious Hearts'


With the first chapter-heading titled -


'Was down at Tynecastle they PLAYED !'

[FilipinoHibs]

FOH, as the major shareholder, will vote on all appointments of directors at the AGM. In between AGMs, the Board appoint the members.

If they ever get the shares.

[The 90+2]

If they ever get the shares.

Shouldn’t it have been years ago now? The support keep paying for the budges vanities and Leveins last chance I’m football management while she still controls the club somehow.

[FilipinoHibs]

Shouldn’t it have been years ago now? The support keep paying for the budges vanities and Leveins last chance I’m football management while she still controls the club somehow.

Budge and FOH agreed to postpone the hanover till later in the year because of the Covid 19 crisis - not sure if there was a vote of FOH members or it was decided by their office bearers. Given Budge is not prepared to plough any more money in and the mysterious benefactor(s) have disappeared, would not be surprised if FOH agree to for go the shares and use the money to prop Hearts up.

[Waxy]

You’d think now was the perfect time for her to hand over to foh.
Seeing as she’s relegated them whilst having the third biggest budget in the SPFL, albeit only through extra fan and benefactor money.
Fresh start in the championship badly needed.

[FilipinoHibs]

You’d think now was the perfect time for her to hand over to foh.
Seeing as she’s relegated them whilst having the third biggest budget in the SPFL, albeit only through extra fan and benefactor money.
Fresh start in the championship badly needed.

She loses control while she is trying to minimise her losses . Plus she has the FOH money in her back pocket to use to keep the club solvent with FOH approval of course.

[Ronniekirk]

That sounds like a cunning plan. Too many times clubs have avoided relegation due to stadiums not be been big enough etc. The only way sporting integrity can be remotely upheld is if there is the best teams champions and the worst team relegated. I suspect if partick didnt have a game in hand it would have been announced already. I'm sure all clubs realise there is next to no chance of finishing the season. If there was any common sense they would discussing ending the season now so we can plan for hopefully for next season starting as close to on time as poss. That's the open golf about to be postponed and that's mid July. As for Hertz pathetic sabre rattling about sueing. It's all bluster as usual as it's very clear that if they or any club won't accept the decisions then they can leave. The courts will not get involved in a sports decision when it comes under this totally unprecedented time. A decision will have to be made soon so as to try and plan for next season. We then have to wait to see how long lockdown continues. I don't think closed door games are a solution due to insurance and legal ramifications.

I thought the players Union came out early on the issue of closed door games and made it clear to its members this was a non starter
When we come out of lockdown it will be a gradual process Large scale events will be the last to be allied imo
Think it’s time for the S F A to stop ****ting themselves and make a decision
Or at least indicate a time frame for doing that
They may we’ll be waiting on The Peak to pass and The Government to set out its plans re coming out of lockdown
But are we really prepared to finish the Season in September / 0ctober ?
And if as predicted countries get a second wave of the Virus after coming out of lockdown then that could be when that happens
Of course if they decide to go for a policy of Herd ImmunityThe Footie will be straight back on to spread the virus quicker ( being sarcastic )


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[Springbank]

I think the SFA directly control the Scottish Cup (and have said they'll play the semis & final whenever lockdown is over)

The league is not the SFA's call, it's the SPFL, where the clubs will effectively vote on what happens next - not the SFA

That's my take on it (and I support the SFA view on the 3 remaining cup games)

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Was reported on BBC Radio 5 this morning that there’s a meeting today with the heads of Scottish Football on their position with the league :cb

[Col2]

I think the SFA directly control the Scottish Cup (and have said they'll play the semis & final whenever lockdown is over)

The league is not the SFA's call, it's the SPFL, where the clubs will effectively vote on what happens next - not the SFA

That's my take on it (and I support the SFA view on the 3 remaining cup games)

Any decision to finish the league and declare its over is a SPFL board decision not a club decision. Any decision on reconstruction IS a club decision eg 11-1 vote.

Rangers Stuart Robertson is on SPFL board so you can imagine how easy that will be to get the bitter staunch one to agree to season finishing as it is.

[Newry Hibs]

Was reported on BBC Radio 5 this morning that there’s a meeting today with the heads of Scottish Football on their position with the league :cb

So that will be Celtic and Rangers chiefs arguing for and against league closure and the decision being kicked down the road until those two decide to resume the same argument.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Elected to serve on the 2019/20 SPFL Board, alongside SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, chairman Murdoch MacLennan and independent non-executive director Karyn McCluskey, were:
• Ladbrokes Premiership: Alan Burrows (Motherwell), Les Gray (Hamilton Academical), Stewart Robertson (Rangers)
• Ladbrokes Championship: Ross McArthur (Dunfermline Athletic), Graham Peterkin (Ayr United)
• Ladbrokes League 1 and League 2: Ken Ferguson (Brechin City)

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Elected to serve on the 2019/20 SPFL Board, alongside SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, chairman Murdoch MacLennan and independent non-executive director Karyn McCluskey, were:
• Ladbrokes Premiership: Alan Burrows (Motherwell), Les Gray (Hamilton Academical), Stewart Robertson (Rangers)
• Ladbrokes Championship: Ross McArthur (Dunfermline Athletic), Graham Peterkin (Ayr United)
• Ladbrokes League 1 and League 2: Ken Ferguson (Brechin City)

Club positions as they stand


Motherwell - 3rd
Hamilton- 11th
The Rangers - 2nd

Dunfermline- 5th (3 points behind Ayr)
Ayr- 4th

Brechin - 12th (League 2)

[JohnM1875]

So that will be Celtic and Rangers chiefs arguing for and against league closure and the decision being kicked down the road until those two decide to resume the same argument.

Exactly what will happen. Yet again.

[greenginger]

Any decision to finish the league and declare its over is a SPFL board decision not a club decision. Any decision on reconstruction IS a club decision eg 11-1 vote.

Rangers Stuart Robertson is on SPFL board so you can imagine how easy that will be to get the bitter staunch one to agree to season finishing as it is.

I’m not so sure that will be the Rangers take on things.

Play the season out and Celtic win the title . Call the season now and they can argue for ever more it wasn’t a real title win.

Afterall they’ve argued they’re the original Rangers for 8 years now.

[RoYO!]

I’m not so sure that will be the Rangers take on things.

Play the season out and Celtic win the title . Call the season now and they can argue for ever more it wasn’t a real title win.

Afterall they’ve argued they’re the original Rangers for 8 years now.

Has it really been 8 years?! Man they must have racked up some number of trophies in that time!.... No?!

[cocteautwin]

So that will be Celtic and Rangers chiefs arguing for and against league closure and the decision being kicked down the road until those two decide to resume the same argument.

Ugh. The longer this thing is undecided the more likely that one of the teams above HMFC go in to Admin and suffer a points deduction which takes them down, to the benefit of spawny Hearts.

[lapsedhibee]

Club positions as they stand


Motherwell - 3rd
Hamilton- 11th
The Rangers - 2nd

Dunfermline- 5th (3 points behind Ayr)
Ayr- 4th

Brechin - 12th (League 2)

Don't think Brechin are doing that badly.

[Barney McGrew]

Don't think Brechin are doing that badly.


They are. They’re 7 points adrift at the bottom of League 2.

[Rumble de Thump]

Hearts are pish.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Don't think Brechin are doing that badly.

Their rep covers both league 1 and 2.

[Aldo]

Ugh. The longer this thing is undecided the more likely that one of the teams above HMFC go in to Admin and suffer a points deduction which takes them down, to the benefit of spawny Hearts.

This will be in the forefront of Budges mind imho. They will want this to run as long as possible hoping another team goes pop before they do!


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[brog]

They are. They’re 7 points adrift at the bottom of League 2.

He's being smart, there's only 10 teams in League 2. Serves Brechin right, they sacked Darren Dods who had taken them to the highest league placing in their history, they were punching way above their weight. Now they're on the verge of going out of the league. They 'll find it hard to argue they wouldn't finish bottom but I suspect they'll argue that play offs shouldn't happen this season.

[Ozyhibby]

Any decision to finish the league and declare its over is a SPFL board decision not a club decision. Any decision on reconstruction IS a club decision eg 11-1 vote.

Rangers Stuart Robertson is on SPFL board so you can imagine how easy that will be to get the bitter staunch one to agree to season finishing as it is.

The board have already said they will defer to the clubs on this issue. They will likely make a recommendation to the clubs though.


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[monarch]

Club positions as they stand


Motherwell - 3rd
Hamilton- 11th
The Rangers - 2nd

Dunfermline- 5th (3 points behind Ayr)
Ayr- 4th

Brechin - 12th (League 2)

As Lapsed Hibee mentioned Brechin are not as bad as you state. They’re 10th in League 2, not 12th. There’s only 10 teams in League 2 ! Not that I’m being pedantic .
Ok I admit not enough to take up my attention these days 😀

[Greenside]

https://twitter.com/BBCScotland/status/1245362029910605825?s=19
For all Hibies on .net wondering why the jambos are called Duncans. This explains beautifully. Enjoy.

[Keith_M]

Was reported on BBC Radio 5 this morning that there’s a meeting today with the heads of Scottish Football on their position with the league :cb



Damnit, I shouldn't have deleted my "something's happening at Hampden" thread after all...

[JimBHibees]

https://twitter.com/BBCScotland/status/1245362029910605825?s=19
For all Hibies on .net wondering why the jambos are called Duncans. This explains beautifully. Enjoy.

That is brilliant :agree:

[147lothian]

https://twitter.com/BBCScotland/status/1245362029910605825?s=19
For all Hibies on .net wondering why the jambos are called Duncans. This explains beautifully. Enjoy.


:top marks

[147lothian]

I can confirm that I told them to get to **** :cb


:top marks

[hibbyfraelibby]

Of course if they decide to go for a policy of Herd ImmunityThe Footie will be straight back on to spread the virus quicker ( being sarcastic )



Its called flock immunity up the far end of the A96🐏🐑😉

[CA Hibby]

I remember those ladders.

Was the magazine not called Shoot

[lapsedhibee]

Was the magazine not called Shoot

Not sure. That seems to have started in 1969. There was another called Goal, which started in 1968. But I think there might have been ladders before then, maybe very early 1960s?

[Groathillgrump]

Was the magazine not called Shoot

Shoot started them but it looks as if Shoot and Goal had merged by 1975.
23154

[Billy Whizz]

Shoot started them but it looks as if Shoot and Goal had merged by 1975.
23154

I used to play a game with a dice, and would do my own tables
A blast from the past

[CropleyWasGod]

I used to play a game with a dice, and would do my own tables
A blast from the past

Snap :greengrin

I had a few "live" games on every week, which I played on my Waddington's Table Soccer. The rest were done by dice. Rolling a 6 meant you were "nil".

:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Shoot started them but it looks as if Shoot and Goal had merged by 1975.
23154

An earlier version had all teams coloured yellow, I think. Nice shade for the Hearts there though :jamboak:

[Billy Whizz]

Snap :greengrin

I had a few "live" games on every week, which I played on my Waddington's Table Soccer. The rest were done by dice. Rolling a 6 meant you were "nil".

:greengrin
Just wondered how this ended up on the Hearts mega thread😀

[Keith_M]

Snap :greengrin

I had a few "live" games on every week, which I played on my Waddington's Table Soccer. The rest were done by dice. Rolling a 6 meant you were "nil".

:greengrin



Very interesting, but what has that got to do with Hearts current financial woes?


:I'm waiti

[berwickhibee]

Snap :greengrin

I had a few "live" games on every week, which I played on my Waddington's Table Soccer. The rest were done by dice. Rolling a 6 meant you were "nil".

:greengrin

The cream of all football games, Waddingtons table soccer,
Spent hours playing tournaments on it, used the league ladder tabs to do the draw, big bowl just like the cup draw.

Found a table soccer at a car boot last year, £2,what a bargain.

[CropleyWasGod]

Just wondered how this ended up on the Hearts mega thread😀

.. cos Hearts always threw a 6.

And I kept on rolling the dice until they did. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

.. cos Hearts always threw a 6.

And I kept on rolling the dice until they did. :greengrin



Stick to the Crosswords, CWG


:wink:

[eezyrider]

Snap :greengrin

I had a few "live" games on every week, which I played on my Waddington's Table Soccer. The rest were done by dice. Rolling a 6 meant you were "nil".

:greengrin


Hey so did I! Though with a 6 there was another roll of the dice and if it was another 6 it was 6 goals.

EZ

[Bostonhibby]

Just wondered how this ended up on the Hearts mega thread[emoji3]Mrs doctor Budge is bringing out her own version very soon, Hearts just escape relegation as she moves them up two places when nobody's looking.

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[Green Reaper]

Mrs doctor Budge is bringing out her own version very soon, Hearts just escape relegation as she moves them up two places when nobody's looking.

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Or tips the board over and declares the game null and void

[Moulin Yarns]

Shoot started them but it looks as if Shoot and Goal had merged by 1975.
23154

Now we all use excel.

[Springbank]

Turns out Budge designed a new box for the game.
While the game retails at £19.99, sadly the box she designed - with a glass curtain frontage and a castle view as standard - costs £26.00 per box to manufacture.

The Waddington box-makers have recently been given an ultimatum of taking a 50% pay cut or being laid off.

An email has since surfaced from Borthwick - sent to rival boxmakers, it offers them untold riches in the autumn if they take the Waddington job instead, without any idea how that makes Waddington look in everyone's eyes.

Waddingtons are waging a press & media charm offensive to blame it all on Corona virus, and definitely not on the glass curtain, the castle view, or Queen Ann - who we are reminded is "a shrewd business brain".

[Deansy]

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/92014556_324975408465717_5348486768997957632_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=IC1TPFQPkG0AX88q9W_&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=780527fab983ea5da01cd259a24d45d4&oe=5EAF89B3

[ScottB]

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/92014556_324975408465717_5348486768997957632_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=IC1TPFQPkG0AX88q9W_&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=780527fab983ea5da01cd259a24d45d4&oe=5EAF89B3

Clearly a fake, the Tories would obviously have Hearts back...

[Phil MaGlass]

Its not fake, there´s spelling mistakes in it.

[greenginger]

Clearly a fake, the Tories would obviously have Hearts back...


Can’t see the Tories forming a pact with the likes of Alex Salmon and Ian Murray any time soon.

[Ozyhibby]

Are Hearts the only club in Scotland still paying their players the full amount?


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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

We really need to stop calling them H@@@@@

They are utter filth

:agree:

[wookie70]

Can’t see the Tories forming a pact with the likes of Alex Salmon and Ian Murray any time soon. Not sure about Salmond but Murray is pretty much a Tory given his voting record

[Keith_M]

Are Hearts the only club in Scotland still paying their players the full amount?


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The Rangers player have been 'furloughed' but haven't accepted any wage reductions (AFAIK)

[Ozyhibby]

The Rangers player have been 'furloughed' but haven't accepted any wage reductions (AFAIK)

They have taken a wage deferral for three months. 50% so creates a £4m debt for Sevco.


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[Greenworld]

Are Hearts the only club in Scotland still paying their players the full amount?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkCertainly not heard anything to say an agreement has been struck with the rebel 20. So it looks like they are with no agreement in place

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[Pinkie]

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme#employees-you-can-claim-for

Unless I'm reading the UKG guidance wrong, it looks like people working on reduced pay cannot be furloughed. So Naismith is sitting pretty on half pay and can't be furloughed but if Budgie decides she can't afford to keep paying the other players their full whack per month, and they don't agree to reduced pay or deferred payments, she may have no option but to furlough them and they might find themselves on £2500 per month. Or am I talking rubbish?

I'll happily defer to someone who knows what they're talking about, cos I'm not sure I do.

Edit- can't post a hyperlink properly and sure how I should.

[RoYO!]

It's a funny one as this whole time Naismith has been painted as a saint for accepting half pay.... maybe 5k A WEEK..?

When the other option to him would be to get the government allotted 2.5k a month!

Hmmm why's he getting any plaudits again? Seems he's played a blinder! (For possibly the first time this season?!)

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme#employees-you-can-claim-for

Unless I'm reading the UKG guidance wrong, it looks like people working on reduced pay cannot be furloughed. So Naismith is sitting pretty on half pay and can't be furloughed but if Budgie decides she can't afford to keep paying the other players their full whack per month, and they don't agree to reduced pay or deferred payments, she may have no option but to furlough them and they might find themselves on £2500 per month. Or am I talking rubbish?

I'll happily defer to someone who knows what they're talking about, cos I'm not sure I do.

Edit- can't post a hyperlink properly and sure how I should.

That can’t be right because our whole squad is on reduced pay and they have been furloughed.


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[Ozyhibby]

It's a funny one as this whole time Naismith has been painted as a saint for accepting half pay.... maybe 5k A WEEK..?

When the other option to him would be to get the government allotted 2.5k a month!

Hmmm why's he getting any plaudits again? Seems he's played a blinder! (For possibly the first time this season?!)

He has been furloughed. The govt pay £2500 per month of his wages and Hearts pay the rest up to 50% of his deal.


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[Pinkie]

Apologies if I'm spreading duff info.

The UKG website states "If an employee is working, but on reduced hours, or for reduced pay, they will not be eligible for this scheme".

I think I have misinterpreted this initially. Looking at it again, I think it's saying that you cannot use the scheme if the employee keeps working, even if it's on reduced pay or reduced hours.

I might leave this to experts from now on...

[Ozyhibby]

Apologies if I'm spreading duff info.

The UKG website states "If an employee is working, but on reduced hours, or for reduced pay, they will not be eligible for this scheme".

I think I have misinterpreted this initially. Looking at it again, I think it's saying that you cannot use the scheme if the employee keeps working, even if it's on reduced pay or reduced hours.

I might leave this to experts from now on...

Yes, def not allowed to work at all.


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[Eyrie]

Apologies if I'm spreading duff info.

The UKG website states "If an employee is working, but on reduced hours, or for reduced pay, they will not be eligible for this scheme".

I think I have misinterpreted this initially. Looking at it again, I think it's saying that you cannot use the scheme if the employee keeps working, even if it's on reduced pay or reduced hours.

I might leave this to experts from now on...

In the absence of an expert (ie CWG), I'd say the key word is "working".

So if the players are left to train on their own instead of reporting to East Mains, they're not working and can be furloughed. I don't think that would be the case if Hibs have issued them with training programmes and are monitoring the players' fitness, but there's still a lot of detail to be released about the scheme.

[ScottB]

I would imagine for a player to be fully furloughed then no training would be allowed, or certainly no direction or contact with the club...

[Danderhall Hibs]

I would imagine for a player to be fully furloughed then no training would be allowed, or certainly no direction or contact with the club...

That’s my understanding - so that would mean they couldn’t do the phone calls they’ve been doing either.

The Aberdeen chairman said on the radio at the weekend that furlough means no work at all for the club - they took the decision to not furlough due to this.

[Ozyhibby]

I would imagine for a player to be fully furloughed then no training would be allowed, or certainly no direction or contact with the club...

If I worked for a big company and as part of my CPD the company were paying for me to study an OU course, if I was using my time while furloughed to do extra studying then I doubt that would be seen as a breach of the furlough.
I think players training at home comes into the same category.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

If I worked for a big company and as part of my CPD the company were paying for me to study an OU course, if I was using my time while furloughed to do extra studying then I doubt that would be seen as a breach of the furlough.
I think players training at home comes into the same category.


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The Aberdeen chairman was clear on the legal advice he’s taken. Not sure if the other clubs have had differing advice or are just changing it and hoping there’s too many of them doing it to get caught.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200407/99b87eb29956d2dc728f3c973b5719d3.jpg
They are a weird lot. They have no deal at all with their players and are still paying their full wages but clubs who are getting deferrals are making crazy decisions? Doubt I’ll ever understand them.


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[tamig]

The Hibs players are furloughed and the club are paying up to an agreed sum of their wage on top of the govt 2.5k a month. The balance above the actual monthly amount paid is deferred. So every one of our players will get their full wage over time. I think too many folk are getting into the technicalities as to what constitutes working while furloughed. The players will be keeping themselves ticking over.

[jacomo]

That’s my understanding - so that would mean they couldn’t do the phone calls they’ve been doing either.

The Aberdeen chairman said on the radio at the weekend that furlough means no work at all for the club - they took the decision to not furlough due to this.


The phone calls were voluntary, nae bother with those.

Furlough means no working for the employer. Don’t think the club can be setting rigid training plans as this might be seen as a work task. But the players aren’t meeting up for training anyhow so little or no tactical work can be done.

Players will of course be expected to keep fit but intensity will of course drop, furlough or not. So mad not to imo... at least the club gets £2.5k a month for each player, better than nothing.

[ACLeith]

The phone calls were voluntary, nae bother with those..
The latest info is that voluntary work for your employer is not allowed if you are furloughed.

[JimBHibees]

It's a funny one as this whole time Naismith has been painted as a saint for accepting half pay.... maybe 5k A WEEK..?

When the other option to him would be to get the government allotted 2.5k a month!

Hmmm why's he getting any plaudits again? Seems he's played a blinder! (For possibly the first time this season?!)

Has it been confirmed Naismith has agreed 50% reduction listened to the Sportsound interview on Saturday with Budge and she said no player was being asked to take more than a 30ish :greengrin percentage cut. Given she hasn't trumpeted an agreement yet would assume no agreement in place.

[CropleyWasGod]

The latest info is that voluntary work for your employer is not allowed if you are furloughed.

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

[GibbytheHibby2]

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

👍

[JimBHibees]

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

Would encouraging fans to renew season tickets be seen as generating revenue. Suppose not directly.

[Keith_M]

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

[brog]

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme


Exactly. Does anyone really think that in these extraordinary times that HMRC are going to be running around scrutinising every player's activity while stood down?

[Heisenberg]

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

There’s some big meeting happening today to discuss it before taking it to all levels in the SPFL. I’m guessing it’ll be more of the same “wait and see if the virus magically disappears in the next two months” approach.

[JimBHibees]

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

Think I heard at the weekend there was an Spfl board meeting yesterday and they would possibly then deliver what they thought to a clubs meeting today. Whether that is correct at all :greengrin or whether anything is ratified today who knows. :greengrin

On another point I wonder how the spfl board deal with decisions where some of the board members would have an obvious conflict of interest given they are primarily if not totally Donkey aside made up of club representatives.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Think I heard at the weekend there was an Spfl board meeting yesterday and they would possibly then deliver what they thought to a clubs meeting today. Whether that is correct at all :greengrin or whether anything is ratified today who knows. :greengrin

On another point I wonder how the spfl board deal with decisions where some of the board members would have an obvious conflict of interest given they are primarily if not totally Donkey aside made up of club representatives.

Board meets this morning, then with clubs this afternoon.

[bob12345]

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme

You can’t volunteer for your employer - only another organisation. Loads of charities have workers who want to volunteer but can’t:
https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/furloughed-workers-volunteer-not-own-organisations-government-says/volunteering/article/1678576

[Danderhall Hibs]

The phone calls were voluntary, nae bother with those.

Furlough means no working for the employer. Don’t think the club can be setting rigid training plans as this might be seen as a work task. But the players aren’t meeting up for training anyhow so little or no tactical work can be done.

Players will of course be expected to keep fit but intensity will of course drop, furlough or not. So mad not to imo... at least the club gets £2.5k a month for each player, better than nothing.

It’s complicated - the calls might be voluntary but they were given the details by their employer so technically they’ve been asked to do work?

As for training I agree - they can train on their own but if they’ve been given a programme by the club to follow then they’re following their employers instructions.

[Brightside]

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.

[bingo70]

Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?


These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.

I’m no fan of the football administrators in this country but disagree with you here.

It’s a difficult decision they’ve got ahead of them and whatever route they go down they will likely have to head of a law suit. On top of that they have to be seen to be following UEFA guidance or their members will be hit hard in the pocket with possible bans from Europe.

As long as UEFA are saying the league season needs to be finished it’s difficult for our league to make a final decision.

I think the next step that will come out will be a target return date or a deadline for games starting up again with a caveat that if they’re not up and running by then, that’s when plans for next season will be unveiled.

[CropleyWasGod]

You can’t volunteer for your employer - only another organisation. Loads of charities have workers who want to volunteer but can’t:
https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/furloughed-workers-volunteer-not-own-organisations-government-says/volunteering/article/1678576

You can.

The Government website I posted is explicit about that.

[JimBHibees]

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.

Thought they were already doing that during the season as it was an absolute midden.

[we are hibs]

Clubs need clarity now on whats going to happen. Not another 2 months of obscurity and confusion.

[Bostonhibby]

According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.Looks like they fell for the buried pirate treasure map that was anonymously posted to Ibrox.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

I’m no fan of the football administrators in this country but disagree with you here.

It’s a difficult decision they’ve got ahead of them and whatever route they go down they will likely have to head of a law suit. On top of that they have to be seen to be following UEFA guidance or their members will be hit hard in the pocket with possible bans from Europe.

As long as UEFA are saying the league season needs to be finished it’s difficult for our league to make a final decision.

I think the next step that will come out will be a target return date or a deadline for games starting up again with a caveat that if they’re not up and running by then, that’s when plans for next season will be unveiled.

:agree: I was talking about it yesterday and the more you think about the more complicated it gets.

Contracts ending, transfer windows - can clubs sign players in the summer and if so can they play this season or do they need to wait until next season, players being cup tied but having moved on - if we play the rest of the cup in November who’s eligible? Imagine we signed Shankland having put his team out of the cup and he went on to score the winner in the final for us?

[Ozyhibby]

There’s some big meeting happening today to discuss it before taking it to all levels in the SPFL. I’m guessing it’ll be more of the same “wait and see if the virus magically disappears in the next two months” approach.

There was a meeting of the SPFL board yesterday and today there are 4 meetings of each of the 4 leagues where the board are likely to let the clubs know their recommendations.
I would think there will be leaks from today’s meetings.
While I don’t think the SPFL will make a decision today, it’s possible they set out a road map to a decision. Something along the lines of ‘if clubs can’t resume training by x date then the league will be called in current positions’. Means they are giving every chance to finish the games, so keeping UEFA happy while also giving the likes of Hearts time to adjust to the reality of relegation.


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