Summer transfer thread 2024/25

[McD]

Let’s hope not….KWON had him neatly tucked away in his back pocket until he was subbed


Won’t really be a problem unless you think Gray will still be asking Kwon to man mark McCowan after he’s signed :rolleyes:

[whiskyhibby]

Which allowed Lyle Cameron the space to run the show in the first half.

I’d be delighted with a midfielder who offered so much threat that he occupied the attentions of opposition midfielders to such an extent that his teammates were afforded more time and space.

He didn’t offer any threat he was man marked out of the game…….

[whiskyhibby]

Won’t really be a problem unless you think Gray will still be asking Kwon to man mark McCowan after he’s signed :rolleyes:


I take it your not being deliberately thick… point being

KWON could be substituted for any competent midfield defensive player………

[CapitalGreen]

He didn’t offer any threat he was man marked out of the game…….

Why do you think we man-marked him specifically?

[bingo70]

He didn’t offer any threat he was man marked out of the game…….

He really wasn’t. McCowan had a very good game imo.

[CapitalGreen]

KWON could be substituted for any competent midfield defensive player………

If that were true he wouldn’t be one of the most productive players in the league last season and this season.

[whiskyhibby]

Why do you think we man-marked him specifically?


as could any team…….he wasn’t even in the top three of Dundee’s players today

If we can make him in effective then most SPL teams can

[whiskyhibby]

If that were true he wouldn’t be one of the most productive players in the league last season and this season.


I have to be honest and say I haven’t seen the stats….can you post them here ? Or a link?

[whiskyhibby]

He really wasn’t. McCowan had a very good game imo.


IMO he wasn’t that effective and certainly didn’t show anything that would give confidence that a large bid would be money well spent

[McD]

as could any team…….he wasn’t even in the top three of Dundee’s players today

If we can make him in effective then most SPL teams can



10 goals in the league and a number of assists last year doesn’t imply that most spl teams can shut him down.

Hearts have better defensive midfielders than us, and he scored against them a couple of weeks ago.


Or is that evidence too thick?

[Donegal Hibby]

If we do bring McCowan in, I’d make him captain

Seemed to be a lot more vocal than our one was , repeatedly in discussions with the referee.

[McD]

I have to be honest and say I haven’t seen the stats….can you post them here ? Or a link?



Feel free to google them, since you’re the only one who thinks he’s not worth signing

[CapitalGreen]

Only Obita (59) had more touches of the ball than McCowan (55) today, good going for someone man-marked out of the game.

[SHODAN]

Five billion signings needed

[Benny Brazil]

Really………..i thought KWON pretty much nullified him, personally I wouldn’t spend anything over £250k for him

Would rather spend the money on Sylla from Dundee - big physical presence in midfield exactly what we need

[whiskyhibby]

Only Obita (59) had more touches of the ball than McCowan (55) today, good going for someone man-marked out of the game.


How is that a good measure, they could have been passes to him that went no further as he was dispossessed

[whiskyhibby]

Feel free to google them, since you’re the only one who thinks he’s not worth signing


You were the ones stating the “ facts” so why not post them here or post a link……

AND I think you’ll,find I’m not the only one here questioning a big outlay on this player

[CapitalGreen]

How is that a good measure, they could have been passes to him that went no further as he was dispossessed

He was only dispossessed once in the match and no Hibs midfielder completed as many passes as he did.

[Hiber-nation]

IMO he wasn’t that effective and certainly didn’t show anything that would give confidence that a large bid would be money well spent

McCowan, Sylla and Cameron were all very good. He would be an excellent signing, always looking to create something. Our midfield is bereft of creators.

[whiskyhibby]

He was only dispossessed once in the match and no Hibs midfielder completed as many passes as he did.


I have to say that’s not the match I was watching, KWON dispossed him on a number of occasions

[Iain G]

I take it your not being deliberately thick… point being

KWON could be substituted for any competent midfield defensive player………

Why do you keep typing Kwon in capital letters?

[04Sauzee]

You were the ones stating the “ facts” so why not post them here or post a link……

AND I think you’ll,find I’m not the only one here questioning a big outlay on this player

10 goals 5 assists

https://footystats.org/players/scotland/luke-mccowan

[whiskyhibby]

Why do you keep typing Kwon in capital letters?

Auto correct

[CapitalGreen]

You were the ones stating the “ facts” so why not post them here or post a link……

AND I think you’ll,find I’m not the only one here questioning a big outlay on this player

https://fbref.com/en/players/95a37507/Luke-McCowan

18 goals and assists in 40 league games since Dundee got promoted back to the top flight.

[Iain G]

Auto correct

Ahhh! Weird, it's clearly Kwon wrong 🤣

[Joe6-2]

Did anyone watch McCowan at the end of the match? Did he go to the Dundee fans?

[04Sauzee]

Did anyone watch McCowan at the end of the match? Did he go to the Dundee fans?Had to bolt for the train , from what I seen he shook a few Hibs players hands and David Grays, probably pretty normal?

[CapitalGreen]

Did anyone watch McCowan at the end of the match? Did he go to the Dundee fans?

He stood about 25 yards away from them clapping along with the rest of his teammates.

[McD]

You were the ones stating the “ facts” so why not post them here or post a link……

AND I think you’ll,find I’m not the only one here questioning a big outlay on this player



I already did, was the post too thick to be read?

[Dmas]

The 3 in midfield they have are a great balance to them guy Tiffany also looked good, really like the look of koumetio at the back they signed from liverpool as well a bit raw but a big quick strong centre half

[McD]

https://fbref.com/en/players/95a37507/Luke-McCowan

18 goals and assists in 40 league games since Dundee got promoted back to the top flight.



He really sounds pish right enough… :rolleyes:

[whiskyhibby]

I already did, was the post too thick to be read?

NO the facts were clear , for 23/24 McCowan was 61st out of 280+ MF one place ahead of Josh Campbell, so my point stands , why spend that much money for next to zero upgrade on Campbell…..

[Logie]

He didn’t offer any threat he was man marked out of the game…….

Crazy everyone see’s things so differently. I thought he ran the show had a very good game, fit, composed, end product, tidy on the ball and dragged his team up the park. Would be an unreal signing for us regardless how bad we currently are as he has that extra spark. I honestly think he would transform our midfield.

[whiskyhibby]

He really sounds pish right enough… :rolleyes:


At least we’re now on the same page 😀

[CapitalGreen]

NO the facts were clear , for 23/24 McCowan was 61st out of 280+ MF one place ahead of Josh Campbell, so my point stands , why spend that much money for next to zero upgrade on Campbell…..

By what measure was he 61st?

[jeffers]

NO the facts were clear , for 23/24 McCowan was 61st out of 280+ MF one place ahead of Josh Campbell, so my point stands , why spend that much money for next to zero upgrade on Campbell…..

If you genuinely think McCowan isn’t a big upgrade on Campbell then maybe football isn’t the sport for you.

[CentreForward]

You could also argue that despite the Dundee midfield plus several of their other players being apparently so good, they still weren’t able to beat a pretty poor Hibs side.

[McD]

If you genuinely think McCowan isn’t a big upgrade on Campbell then maybe football isn’t the sport for you.


Thank you for wording it better than I could :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

You could also argue that despite the Dundee midfield plus several of their other players being apparently so good, they still weren’t able to beat a pretty poor Hibs side.

Dundee - 4th in the league, still in the cup and 9 competitive games unbeaten scoring 31 goals.

Hibs - 2nd bottom of the league, out the cup and 4 competitive games without a win.

They’ll see it as a blip for on an otherwise excellent record.

[Hiber-nation]

You could also argue that despite the Dundee midfield plus several of their other players being apparently so good, they still weren’t able to beat a pretty poor Hibs side.

Their defence was awful. Midfield very good though.

[McD]

NO the facts were clear , for 23/24 McCowan was 61st out of 280+ MF one place ahead of Josh Campbell, so my point stands , why spend that much money for next to zero upgrade on Campbell…..


I posted a fact for you - mccowan scored 10 league goals last season. Our entire midfield managed 10 - the player you want to compare him to, Campbell, got 3 last year in the league.

And that’s without looking at the assists he’s got, and the impact he’s had on matches.


I also pointed out he’s scored against hearts this season. How many times have our midfield done that at all?

[KeithTheHibby]

NO the facts were clear , for 23/24 McCowan was 61st out of 280+ MF one place ahead of Josh Campbell, so my point stands , why spend that much money for next to zero upgrade on Campbell…..

Were you at the game today? McGowan was class for Dundee. Effortless in everything he did. Never looked under pressure and never gave the ball away. At the heart of Dundees best moves.

[whiskyhibby]

If you genuinely think McCowan isn’t a big upgrade on Campbell then maybe football isn’t the sport for you.


A bit patronising, the point I made was the stats show Campbell at #62 and the so called messiah at #61 in the stats

[hibee1875]

Noticed him shaking his head a few times whilst watching the play warming up. Unfortunately his ship has sailed and we need to just get him off the wage bill along with a few others.

Looked like he told someone on the bench to **** off as he went out for his final warm up

[whiskyhibby]

Were you at the game today? McGowan was class for Dundee. Effortless in everything he did. Never looked under pressure and never gave the ball away. At the heart of Dundees best moves.

Absolute BS….. there is no way you were at the match if that’s what you took from it….

[Unseen work]

I think the difference with Mccowan and what we lack is when they went 2-1 down he really seemed to take the game by the scruff of the neck.

He got on it and started pinging the ball about and drove them forward

Kwon done really well against him first half though, if them two are 2/3 of our midfield we’ll be much improved.

[jeffers]

A bit patronising, the point I made was the stats show Campbell at #62 and the so called messiah at #61 in the stats

You lose whatever credibility you may have when you suggest anyone thinks McCowan is the messiah. He’s clearly far better than any of our midfielders.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A bit patronising, the point I made was the stats show Campbell at #62 and the so called messiah at #61 in the stats

The point you made is that there was ‘next to zero upgrade’ between Mccowan and Campbell. A truly awful shout.

[CapitalGreen]

A bit patronising, the point I made was the stats show Campbell at #62 and the so called messiah at #61 in the stats

What stat has them ranked 61 and 62?

[SON OF PADDY]

Were you at the game today? McGowan was class for Dundee. Effortless in everything he did. Never looked under pressure and never gave the ball away. At the heart of Dundees best moves.


He's exactly what we need in our team, what a signing he would be.

Make it happen Hibs 🙏

[Franck Stanton]

10 goals in the league and a number of assists last year doesn’t imply that most spl teams can shut him down.

Hearts have better defensive midfielders than us, and he scored against them a couple of weeks ago.


Or is that evidence too thick?


Not particularly aimed at you, but a few posters going on about him scoring against hearts already this season. It was from the penalty spot, not some amazing run past their players & scoring a worldy. Now our m/f aren't exactly blessed with great skill, but I would suggest any of them would be capable of scoring from the spot.

[CapitalGreen]

Not particularly aimed at you, but a few posters going on about him scoring against hearts already this season. It was from the penalty spot, not some amazing run past their players & scoring a worldy. Now our m/f aren't exactly blessed with great skill, but I would suggest any of them would be capable of scoring from the spot.

Ok excluding that penalty. He has scored another 2 goals against Hearts plus 3 assists. He has beaten Hearts as many times in the last year as we have in the last half decade.

Also, the last penalty we took against Hearts we missed so not really a given.

[McGruber]

You could also argue that despite the Dundee midfield plus several of their other players being apparently so good, they still weren’t able to beat a pretty poor Hibs side.

Would take that further and say the 3 Dundee midfielders we are after were second best to the 3 Hibs midfielders that had the better of thr game and created the most chances

[green day]

Would take that further and say the 3 Dundee midfielders we are after were second best to the 3 Hibs midfielders that had the better of thr game and created the most chances

You can't be serious.

[Liam978]

You can't be serious.

Spot on McGrubber

[ruthven_raiders]

Absolute BS….. there is no way you were at the match if that’s what you took from it….

I was at the game and he was absolutely what we need in midfield, class....we don't have that....

[Tambo]

I can see why another CB would be a priority, the questions will be why couldn't we have just got one with good experience at this level.

Both O'Hora and ekpiteta are now looking like cheap options who were spoken about as no nonsense defending who will improve the leaky defence.

[CapitalGreen]

Would take that further and say the 3 Dundee midfielders we are after were second best to the 3 Hibs midfielders that had the better of thr game and created the most chances

Chances created by starting central midfielders yesterday.

Hibs: 1
Dundee: 4

Touches by central midfielders:

Hibs: 123
Dundee: 156

Accurate passes by central midfielders:

Hibs: 59
Dundee: 79

Aerial battles won by central midfielders:

Hibs: 2
Dundee: 5

Successful tackles by central midfielders:

Hibs: 5
Dundee: 12

[Brightside]

Chances created by starting central midfielders yesterday.

Hibs: 1
Dundee: 4

Touches by central midfielders:

Hibs: 123
Dundee: 156

Accurate passes by central midfielders:

Hibs: 59
Dundee: 79

Aerial battles won by central midfielders:

Hibs: 2
Dundee: 5

Successful tackles by central midfielders:

Hibs: 5
Dundee: 12

Spot on. I’m really lost how anyone could claim their midfield wasn’t better. Next week it should be Kwon, Mccowan, Rudi.

[McGruber]

Chances created by starting central midfielders yesterday.

Hibs: 1
Dundee: 4

Touches by central midfielders:

Hibs: 123
Dundee: 156

Accurate passes by central midfielders:

Hibs: 59
Dundee: 79

Aerial battles won by central midfielders:

Hibs: 2
Dundee: 5

Successful tackles by central midfielders:

Hibs: 5
Dundee: 12

If you torture stats they'll tell you anything you like.

Last season we constantly had more possession (fancying about at the back though) didn't mean we were better or had more control.

Central Dundee midfielders more touches - Dundee play centrally, Hibs game plan was to play wide with Cadden, Boyle - no wonder.

Central Dundee midfielders more aerial duels - easier to win defensive headers, Hibs went longer than Dundee who play shorter and Central. Hibs defence push up further and centre halves winning our headers in middle of park.

Etc etc. Better idea to watch the game. Dundee far better first half, especially first half hour. Hibs better team second half. Hibs were probably better overall from half hour in onward. Looked like Hibs were far more likely to score a 3rd than Dundee were to scoring, before they obviously did. Can't really think either keeper had all that much to do second half in all honesty. Campbell should have hit the winner.

Draw probably about right but given the second half position we were in feels 2 points dropped for us in a game v good Dundee team we should have beat. Theg will see it very much as a point gained.

Horrific defending aswell for 3 of the 4 goals

[The Modfather]

Is Youan still alive? Still injured? Likely to be leaving. He seems to have fallen into the same black hole that JDH has disappeared into.

[KeithTheHibby]

Absolute BS….. there is no way you were at the match if that’s what you took from it….

I think you’ve have too many of your username…

[McGruber]

Spot on. I’m really lost how anyone could claim their midfield wasn’t better. Next week it should be Kwon, Mccowan, Rudi.



Hibs were very poor first half.
Dundee will be glad of a point they got from a second half they weren't creating much in and never looked likely to score in - exception being their late goal from O'Hora sleeping. Hibs were the better team second half looking more likely to hit the front and hit a 3rd until the Dundee goal against the grain. Strange with Dundee having the central midfield version of the Harlem globetrotters.

[Brightside]

Hibs were very poor first half.
Dundee will be glad of a point they got from a second half they weren't creating much in and never looked likely to score in - exception being their late goal from O'Hora sleeping. Hibs were the better team second half looking more likely to hit the front and hit a 3rd until the Dundee goal against the grain. Strange with Dundee having the central midfield version of the Harlem globetrotters.

Our current style of play invites much more pressure on our defence. We do appear to have given up on midfield and given up on trying to keep the ball in these area. But many fans were demanding this. I thought the football on display was awful and I’ll go watch a youth game today with much better tactics and at least attempting to play the game. My concern is we could buy McCowan and somehow make him look poor.

[green day]

My concern is we could buy McCowan and somehow make him look poor.
If Gray persists with Newell is one surefire way.

[MWHIBBIES]

If Gray persists with Newell is one surefire way.

Nonsense.

[Docker]

If Gray persists with Newell is one surefire way.

If we spend £750K on McCowan, he plays, first pick. With Kwon as DM it should mean no place for Newell. Trouble is, that’s not how this will play out.

[green day]

If we spend £750K on McCowan, he plays, first pick. With Kwon as DM it should mean no place for Newell. Trouble is, that’s not how this will play out.

Exactly.

But we know Gray won't drop his captain.

The boy above says it's nonsense, but it's actually fairly predictable.

[Auckland Hibs]

Is Youan still alive? Still injured? Likely to be leaving. He seems to have fallen into the same black hole that JDH has disappeared into.

It's grinding my gears about the lack of transparency from the club on our injuries. We had the same BS with Boyle's injury and a dozen others over the past 3 or 4 seasons. "Couple of weeks out" and we don't see or hear any updates about them for months.

Is it really a big deal for the club to provide us with regular updates that are accurate?

[JohnM1875]

It's grinding my gears about the lack of transparency from the club on our injuries. We had the same BS with Boyle's injury and a dozen others over the past 3 or 4 seasons. "Couple of weeks out" and we don't see or hear any updates about them for months.

Is it really a big deal for the club to provide us with regular updates that are accurate?

Just JDH we’re not getting update on is it not? Gray said both Elie and Hoilet are back on the grass taking part in warm ups etc.

The JDH situation is truly bizarre though.

[Joe6-2]

Exactly.

But we know Gray won't drop his captain.

The boy above says it's nonsense, but it's actually fairly predictable.

If we get McCowan he has to bench him for at least a game or two and see how it goes

[Auckland Hibs]

Just JDH we’re not getting update on is it not? Gray said both Elie and Hoilet are back on the grass taking part in warm ups etc.

The JDH situation is truly bizarre though.

The JDH situation is exactly the same that we had with Magennis a few years ago - disappeared for months with nothing from the club.

Youan was supposed to be out for two weeks, unless I missed it, I don't think we had any update from the club until Friday which means he's been out for 6 weeks.

[JimBHibees]

It's grinding my gears about the lack of transparency from the club on our injuries. We had the same BS with Boyle's injury and a dozen others over the past 3 or 4 seasons. "Couple of weeks out" and we don't see or hear any updates about them for months.

Is it really a big deal for the club to provide us with regular updates that are accurate?

Gray gave an update about Youan saying he fully trained last week and was improving. Assuming he is getting sold. Also said Hoilett now training but not in contact situations won’t be seen until after International break

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Players in by Friday

McCowan, goalkeeper, left back, at least one centre half and CF. I'd imagine the Bournemouth link has to give us something this window, so Will Dennis and Owen Bevan most likely candidates.

Players out, we can only hope.

Jair, McKirdy, Delferrie.

Yohan could go either way. A player I like as he gives us something different but if he wants away, then better to get rid.

[McGruber]

Our current style of play invites much more pressure on our defence. We do appear to have given up on midfield and given up on trying to keep the ball in these area. But many fans were demanding this. I thought the football on display was awful and I’ll go watch a youth game today with much better tactics and at least attempting to play the game. My concern is we could buy McCowan and somehow make him look poor.

If McCowan was in a Hibs jersey yesterday he would be getting stick from Hibs fans for the 2nd goal. Powderpuff defending from him and the other Dundee player letting Bowie past them far too easy to score from a throw in.

[B.H.F.C]

Players in by Friday

McCowan, goalkeeper, left back, at least one centre half and CF. I'd imagine the Bournemouth link has to give us something this window, so Will Dennis and Owen Bevan most likely candidates.

Players out, we can only hope.

Jair, McKirdy, Delferrie.

Yohan could go either way. A player I like as he gives us something different but if he wants away, then better to get rid.

Folk need to forget about us signing a goalie. We’ve signed two, we’re no signing another.

[JimBHibees]

Our current style of play invites much more pressure on our defence. We do appear to have given up on midfield and given up on trying to keep the ball in these area. But many fans were demanding this. I thought the football on display was awful and I’ll go watch a youth game today with much better tactics and at least attempting to play the game. My concern is we could buy McCowan and somehow make him look poor.

When you say style of play invites pressure what does that mean? Not sure i recognised one.Thought there were a couple of decent moves in the first half not many where there was reasonable combinations.

[kentao]

If McCowan was in a Hibs jersey yesterday he would be getting stick from Hibs fans for the 2nd goal. Powderpuff defending from him and the other Dundee player letting Bowie past them far too easy to score from a throw in.

If McCowan had a Hibs jersey on we would have won the game comfortably. Hes a big upgrade on what we have in Midfield.

[DIXIHIBS]

Folk need to forget about us signing a goalie. We’ve signed two, we’re no signing another.

Exactly. We've signed 9? players, most should be seen as starters including a goalie 2CH and forwards. We may have signed the wrong ones...again...time will tell, but we won't signing much more before the deadline.

[B.H.F.C]

When you say style of play invites pressure what does that mean? Not sure i recognised one.Thought there were a couple of decent moves in the first half not many where there was reasonable combinations.

I don’t see any style of play at all. We don’t look organised, we don’t look like we have any real plan and we don’t look like we have any real way of playing in or out of possession. Throw in the lack of urgency and concentration early in games as well. It’s really concerning and I’m not sure just signing more players makes a huge difference because there are some fundamental things that aren’t going to change.

[JimBHibees]

I don’t see any style of play at all. We don’t look organised, we don’t look like we have any real plan and we don’t look like we have any real way of playing in or out of possession. Throw in the lack of urgency and concentration early in games as well. It’s really concerning and I’m not sure just signing more players makes a huge difference because there are some fundamental things that aren’t going to change.

Would kind of agree organisationally. When went to three at the back had no idea who was meant to be where in midfield. Think Kwon when he gets up to speed and hopefully McCowan improve that.

[Iain G]

It's grinding my gears about the lack of transparency from the club on our injuries. We had the same BS with Boyle's injury and a dozen others over the past 3 or 4 seasons. "Couple of weeks out" and we don't see or hear any updates about them for months.

Is it really a big deal for the club to provide us with regular updates that are accurate?

And what if JDH has a very serious injury or condition that he doesnt want discussed in public?

It's really nice big deal the club aren't telling us anything, but we have some supporters wanting to know everything and bumping their gums that the club isn't sharing potentially sensitive medical information.

[H18 SFR]

I don’t see any style of play at all. We don’t look organised, we don’t look like we have any real plan and we don’t look like we have any real way of playing in or out of possession. Throw in the lack of urgency and concentration early in games as well. It’s really concerning and I’m not sure just signing more players makes a huge difference because there are some fundamental things that aren’t going to change.

In terms of a plan the only thing I’m seeing is a plan to use long throws.

Defensive corners we put three up the park then 20 seconds later 11 in our own box.

Goal kicks are a complete lottery.

We don’t play through the middle we don’t create chances out wide.

O’Hora played on the right of a three in part for a league cup tie and looked ok, particularly pinging switches to the left accurately - yesterday he’s on the left of a three.

We went to a three yesterday and Eddie May is telling Obita to step presumably 5m forward, O’Hora is yelling and signalling to tuck in beside him. Seems worse if what a contributor shared on here that O’Hora never played on the left of a three at MK Dons.

We are poorly prepared, we are not as fit as our opponents, given the above we are appearing to be poorly coached, we have very questionable management decisions during games and a new CD pairing that look a downgrade in most if not every aspect from last season.

[MWHIBBIES]

If we spend £750K on McCowan, he plays, first pick. With Kwon as DM it should mean no place for Newell. Trouble is, that’s not how this will play out.

Newell will still play often. If you think 2 new signings and a 18 year old will be our starting midfield right away and every single game, you're wrong.

It should mean no place for players that are much worse than Newell, like NMW and Campbell.

[Auckland Hibs]

And what if JDH has a very serious injury or condition that he doesnt want discussed in public?

It's really nice big deal the club aren't telling us anything, but we have some supporters wanting to know everything and bumping their gums that the club isn't sharing potentially sensitive medical information.

I'm not expecting the club to publish his medical records. A simple update on time frame or even confirmation that we have no idea when he'll return.

[B.H.F.C]

In terms of a plan the only thing I’m seeing is a plan to use long throws.

Defensive corners we put three up the park then 20 seconds later 11 in our own box.

Goal kicks are a complete lottery.

We don’t play through the middle we don’t create chances out wide.

O’Hora played on the right of a three in part for a league cup tie and looked ok, particularly pinging switches to the left accurately - yesterday he’s on the left of a three.

We went to a three yesterday and Eddie May is telling Obita to step presumably 5m forward, O’Hora is yelling and signalling to tuck in beside him. Seems worse if what a contributor shared on here that O’Hora never played on the left of a three at MK Dons.

We are poorly prepared, we are not as fit as our opponents, given the above we are appearing to be poorly coached, we have very questionable management decisions during games and a new CD pairing that look a downgrade in most if not every aspect from last season.

Can’t really disagree with any of that.

The only thing we have going for us is that we have signed a couple of decent strikers, I think. We’ll score enough goals to keep ourselves away from trouble but it’s going to be another long season. As I said before, our problems go beyond signing another few players IMO.

[Gaffer1875]

I feel we need a CM, CB and ideally a GK unless we are persevering with Bursik.


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[flash]

So who might leave then?
Rocky, Kenneh, Delferierre, Jair, Levitt, McKirdy and Youan all possibilities in my opinion.
Wouldn't be overly shocked if we get an offer for Josh Campbell as well.

[JohnM1875]

So who might leave then?
Rocky, Kenneh, Delferierre, Jair, Levitt, McKirdy and Youan all possibilities in my opinion.
Wouldn't be overly shocked if we get an offer for Josh Campbell as well.

JDH and Amos should be allowed to leave as well for me.

[GreenCastle]

Open letter time..

Dear Hibs…

You need to sign a solid number 1 goalkeeper who makes saves and gives the back 3 or 4 defenders more confidence. Sign a decent keeper and the whole team instantly improves.

You need to also sign a centre back who can make our other centre backs better. Someone who is reliable and doesn’t give a goal away every other week.

You need to sign someone to replace Newell with energy. This means Kwon sits and we play 1 sitter and 2 in front. Not 2 defensive midfielders against Dundee.

You need to sign someone with creativity and can play through balls - a number 10. Ok Latapy is the benchmark but even someone who plays like Scott Allan who can produce something out of nothing.

You also need to sign a penalty box type striker - think Nisbet Keatings / Cummings.

Thanks

A disgruntled fan who doesn’t want to end up bottom 6 again or at worse bottom 2.

P.S I can wait till January for an improvement on our full backs but a better spine of the team makes us instantly better.

[04Sauzee]

I'm not sure what size of squad Gray wants, 24?


Transfermrkt has us down as a squad of 28 if we are looking at maybe 3 or 4 more then we still need to move on maybe as many as 8 players before the Friday deadline. That won't be easy.

[Earlydelivery]

McCowan .. let's wait and see 👍

[1875M]

The main thing that stood out was that we seem to have no genuine plan in terms of what we do when we have the ball and when we don’t. That is the most worrying bit. I can forgive mistakes and people having bad games, it happens. But the fact we looked like for most of the game the players were making it up as they went along is worrying. Gary’s had a decent amount of time with the squad to implement his own patterns of play and fundamentals. Someone will probably reply ‘it’s only been 8 weeks or so’. Well that’s the same time as JT at Aberdeen and it’s very clear what they are trying to do. Same with the new manager at Brighton. I’m not saying at all that we should be the finished article, but we should be seeing SOMETHING that resembles a game plan, both with the ball and without.

[Unseen work]

The main thing that stood out was that we seem to have no genuine plan in terms of what we do when we have the ball and when we don’t. That is the most worrying bit. I can forgive mistakes and people having bad games, it happens. But the fact we looked like for most of the game the players were making it up as they went along is worrying. Gary’s had a decent amount of time with the squad to implement his own patterns of play and fundamentals. Someone will probably reply ‘it’s only been 8 weeks or so’. Well that’s the same time as JT at Aberdeen and it’s very clear what they are trying to do. Same with the new manager at Brighton. I’m not saying at all that we should be the finished article, but we should be seeing SOMETHING that resembles a game plan, both with the ball and without.

I think we do have a plan. Do you think Dundee had a plan?

Not you btw, but when I hear guys like Si Ferry on open goal saying a certain team doesn’t have a plan just because they’re not playing like East Kilbride/Barcelona and playing out from the back it annoys me.

I think the issue is a big part of our plan, funnily enough, is being more solid and hard to beat - which is right out the window when you concede the goals we do.

I think he wants the centre halves to split so Newell can drop and get on it, the slow build up at times is to entice the opposition out so we can play through them and eventually work a 1v1 in the wide area, we then try create and overload with the fullback to get crosses in the box

The ball to Miller is another common win for him to go and attack it and flick it on to Boyle.

I think it’s alot more of a Jack Ross type approach where if it doesn’t come off it looks like we have less control of the game and less of a plan as such

[blackpoolhibs]

I think we do have a plan. Do you think Dundee had a plan?

Not you btw, but when I hear guys like Si Ferry on open goal saying a certain team doesn’t have a plan just because they’re not playing like East Kilbride/Barcelona and playing out from the back it annoys me. And both full backs are sheite, pointless giving them the ball anyway.

I think the issue is a big part of our plan, funnily enough, is being more solid and hard to beat - which is right out the window when you concede the goals we do.

I think he wants the centre halves to split so Newell can drop and get on it, the slow build up at times is to entice the opposition out so we can play through them and eventually work a 1v1 in the wide area, we then try create and overload with the fullback to get crosses in the box

The ball to Miller is another common win for him to go and attack it and flick it on to Boyle.

I think it’s alot more of a Jack Ross type approach where if it doesn’t come off it looks like we have less control of the game and less of a plan as such

Having Joe Newell drop in between the centre halves boils my pish, he's slower than a week in jail with his distribution.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Folk need to forget about us signing a goalie. We’ve signed two, we’re no signing another.

You are right tbf, but I'd be interested to know if we ever enquired about Dennis. He was an obvious choice when we were looking for a goalkeeper to replace Marshall. Done very well for a Killie side who finished 4th last season and is part of the Black Knight group.

[Unseen work]

Having Joe Newell drop in between the centre halves boils my pish, he's slower than a week in jail with his distribution.

I don’t like it either. I also don’t like the centre halves splitting.

You essentially have Ekpiteta who isn’t great on the ball being a lot more exposed.

I don’t know if other clubs think this or if it’s just a Hibs thing. But for years I’ve thought it takes us a lot of work to get the ball in the opposition half, but the opposition seem to get into our half with ease and play the ball in our half and their centre backs hardly touch the ball

[GreenCastle]

Having Joe Newell drop in between the centre halves boils my pish, he's slower than a week in jail with his distribution.

Having a CM drop between the centre backs doesn’t work unless the player doing it can dictate the game / play good balls forward. This rarely happens and ends up just slow predictable Liam Craig like football - exactly the same when he was at Hibs.

It also means the CBs are out of position for any counter attacks.

Hibs do it so slowly too - so Newell gets back on ball deep and by that time the Dundee team are set up ready to counter attack with any slow pass forward.

I actually don’t think this plays to O’Hora strengths as when he was at MK Dons on the right he would actually travel forward with the ball. He's now on the left and being limited. Yesterday 2 passes early on were picked off as he played with right foot on the left and it was just so obvious and wrong passing angle.

A poster above says about hibs plan..hard to beat.

That’s pretty much what it seems - playing 4-2-3-1 is a low risk formation BUT as I have pointed out losing early goals every week or just after half time messes the whole plan up. This formation also means less attackers in the box when we go wide as we often have 7 behind the ball - back 5 and x2 CDMs.

[blackpoolhibs]

Having a CM drop between the centre backs doesn’t work unless the player doing it can dictate the game / play good balls forward. This rarely happens and ends up just slow predictable Liam Craig like football - exactly the same when he was at Hibs.

It also means the CBs are out of position for any counter attacks.

Hibs do it so slowly too - so Newell gets back on ball deep and by that time the Dundee team are set up ready to counter attack with any slow pass forward.

I actually don’t think this plays to O’Hora strengths as when he was at MK Dons on the right he would actually travel forward with the ball. He's now on the left and being limited. Yesterday 2 passes early on were picked off as he played with right foot on the left and it was just so obvious and wrong passing angle.

A poster above says about hibs plan..hard to beat.

That’s pretty much what it seems - playing 4-2-3-1 is a low risk formation BUT as I have pointed out losing early goals every week or just after half time messes the whole plan up. This formation also means less attackers in the box when we go wide as we often have 7 behind the ball - back 5 and x2 CDMs.

I've been saying exactly that for years with Newell, now it's not his fault both full backs are sheite, but he does dictate the pace of the game when we have the ball, and it's always way too slow.I personally can't wait until he's replaced or retired, I've seen the same pattern of play from him for far too long.

[McGruber]

If McCowan had a Hibs jersey on we would have won the game comfortably. Hes a big upgrade on what we have in Midfield.

He was in Dundee's midfield though - they never won the game comfortably

[Ozyhibby]

He was in Dundee's midfield though - they never won the game comfortably

Was he better than Newell yesterday?


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[MWHIBBIES]

Was he better than Newell yesterday?


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Not really, no.

[Exuberance1875]

Was he better than Newell yesterday?


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First half yes, he drove quite well with the ball.

Second half not in my opinion, Newell covered well for us and hit a few good balls to start breaks. Quite liked him in this role with Rudi ahead of him

He would still be a good signing though, I think

[Donegal Hibby]

Not really, no.

I’m afraid he was and I think if there was a choice of a swap deal between the two players most fans would take it in a heartbeat.

[TrinityHFC]

I’m afraid he was and I think if there was a choice of a swap deal between the two players most fans would take it in a heartbeat.

That would be a very stupid deal.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m afraid he was and I think if there was a choice of a swap deal between the two players most fans would take it in a heartbeat.

I'm all for signing McCowan. Looks a decent SPL player, like Joe is. I hope that if he makes piss poor attempts to stop goals like he did Hibs second yesterday, he is treated just like Newell would be.


Swapping Newell for McCowan would still leave the very poor Campbell as our first reserve, so we wouldn't be much better off.

[GloryGlory]

You'd think with Dundee being at ER yesterday and their directors being entertained in the boardroom by Hibs directors that a definitive answer one way or another on the last bid for McCown will have been received. So at least we should know where we stand and can decide to move on to other targets this week if Dundee said "No".

[GloryGlory]

Was he better than Newell yesterday?


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Will he be better than Newell over the course of a season? Very likely.

[Onion]

I’m afraid he was and I think if there was a choice of a swap deal between the two players most fans would take it in a heartbeat.

Yes, but Dundee would want money on top confirming the relative value of each.

[McGruber]

Was he better than Newell yesterday?


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I like McCowan, hope we sign him. Was he better than Newell yesterday - maybe, neat and tidy but not like he was running the show. Probably about level though if Newell played the part McCowan did for Bowie's goal he'd be getting stick for it.

McCowan's performance is being exaggerated because of the hype of him potentially signing. Just like the Hibs performance is being bent out of proportion by concession of the late goal.

Hibs were poor for the first half hour and could have lost it in that period. We were the better team from then on and especially second half.

Loads to work on, still shocking defending, still players needed. Aswell as the negatives though, loads of positives in there aswell, lost to some with the fuax outrage at drawing the game we should have won in the end.

Thought Ekpiteta had a solid game, N Cadden put in a good shift, Kwon will be solid for us, Bowie looking a player and team in general showing character to turn around the game from a poor start. Unlucky not to win it late with Campbell's effort.

I'm gutted to lose the late goal but all in all, I'm actually heartened by the game yesterday. Improving.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'm all for signing McCowan. Looks a decent SPL player, like Joe is. I hope that if he makes piss poor attempts to stop goals like he did Hibs second yesterday, he is treated just like Newell would be.


Swapping Newell for McCowan would still leave the very poor Campbell as our first reserve, so we wouldn't be much better off.

Campbell is handy to have as a Squad player which is what newell should be too , he’s also a poor captain who lacks the leadership skills needed for the role . As for McCowan I think he’s a lot better than newell by quite some distance .

[MWHIBBIES]

Campbell is handy to have as a Squad player which is what newell should be too , he’s also a poor captain who lacks the leadership skills needed for the role . As for McCowan I think he’s a lot better than newell by quite some distance .

Campbell is not proving a handy squad player. Maybe for the league cup groups. Very sloppy otherwise.

How do you know he lacks leadership skills? Are you part of the dressing room?

[kentao]

He was in Dundee's midfield though - they never won the game comfortably

But they would have lost their best player and we would have improved our midfield massively. I really hope we can get him signed up to prove all the doubter wrong.

I watched LM Single Handily dominate The Rangers midfield twice last season and reminded me of SJM. He didn't have his best game yesterday but was still head and shoulders above our midfielders.

[gorgie greens]

You'd think with Dundee being at ER yesterday and their directors being entertained in the boardroom by Hibs directors that a definitive answer one way or another on the last bid for McCown will have been received. So at least we should know where we stand and can decide to move on to other targets this week if Dundee said "No".
Well the Dundee owner did leave with Malky and Ben for talks and were gone for 15-20 minutes, they had passed pleasantries throughout the day in the lounge and as it got quite maybe a dozen people in there Ben asked if they could talk in private, was in the room and the people with me thought they are about to get the deal done one way or another.

[Earlydelivery]

Well the Dundee owner did leave with Malky and Ben for talks and were gone for 15-20 minutes, they had passed pleasantries throughout the day in the lounge and as it got quite maybe a dozen people in there Ben asked if they could talk in private, was in the room and the people with me thought they are about to get the deal done one way or another.
He’ll be with us soon 👍

[Donegal Hibby]

Campbell is not proving a handy squad player. Maybe for the league cup groups. Very sloppy otherwise.

How do you know he lacks leadership skills? Are you part of the dressing room?

No ? Did he not score the equaliser against sevco ? In a game he was the best player in , get a late winner against St Johnstone , hat trick against Aberdeen etc etc … Campbells fine as a squad player who’ll chip in with some goals now and again….

But that’s not what we are talking about which you clearly try and change when your favourite player comes in for any criticism.

McCowan was far more involved with the referee / players yesterday than newell . Again newell should be a squad player , he’s probably played more games than our other midfielders and has went missing regularly in games , he slows the game down to much at times imo and shouldn’t be playing consistently every week .

Big part of the midfield problem over the last few years.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm all for signing McCowan. Looks a decent SPL player, like Joe is. I hope that if he makes piss poor attempts to stop goals like he did Hibs second yesterday, he is treated just like Newell would be.


Swapping Newell for McCowan would still leave the very poor Campbell as our first reserve, so we wouldn't be much better off.

Maybe if McCowan picks us, Celtic will turn their attention to Newell.[emoji106]


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[MWHIBBIES]

Maybe if McCowan picks us, Celtic will turn their attention to Newell.[emoji106]


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Their attention isn't on McCowan either. It's on the German guy.

[MWHIBBIES]

No ? Did he not score the equaliser against sevco ? In a game he was the best player in , get a late winner against St Johnstone , hat trick against Aberdeen etc etc … Campbells fine as a squad player who’ll chip in with some goals now and again….

But that’s not what we are talking about which you clearly try and change when your favourite player comes in for any criticism.

McCowan was far more involved with the referee / players yesterday than newell . Again newell should be a squad player , he’s probably played more games than our other midfielders and has went missing regularly in games , he slows the game down to much at times imo and shouldn’t be playing consistently every week .

Big part of the midfield problem over the last few years.

Those Campbell achievements were a long time ago now. He was mince when he came on yesterday.

Newell was fine yesterday. Didn't slow anything down.

[chrisski33]

Campbell is not proving a handy squad player. Maybe for the league cup groups. Very sloppy otherwise.

How do you know he lacks leadership skills? Are you part of the dressing room?

Certainly not seeing any leadership skills from Newell on the pitch.

[McGruber]

But they would have lost their best player and we would have improved our midfield massively. I really hope we can get him signed up to prove all the doubter wrong.

I watched LM Single Handily dominate The Rangers midfield twice last season and reminded me of SJM. He didn't have his best game yesterday but was still head and shoulders above our midfielders.

Don't get me wrong, I like McCowan and would be delighted if we manage to sign him.

[Centre Hawf]

Campbell is handy to have as a Squad player which is what newell should be too , he’s also a poor captain who lacks the leadership skills needed for the role . As for McCowan I think he’s a lot better than newell by quite some distance .

I see this poor captain thing a lot. I’d like to hear from someone why he’s not got any leadership qualities and is a poor captain.

[percy veer]

Those Campbell achievements were a long time ago now. He was mince when he came on yesterday.

Newell was fine yesterday. Didn't slow anything down.

An inch away from scoring for the winner , twice the player newel is

[Callum_62]

An inch away from scoring for the winner , twice the player newel isThat's some stretch tbf

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[MWHIBBIES]

An inch away from scoring for the winner , twice the player newel is

Holy moly.

[Donegal Hibby]

I see this poor captain thing a lot. I’d like to hear from someone why he’s not got any leadership qualities and is a poor captain.

Just my opinion though I thought McCowan was far more involved in things yesterday , more vocal .

There has been and will be games again where newell goes missing in , that’s not what you want from a captain .

[SaulGoodman]

One day I’ll open this thread and it won’t be filled with the same people arguing about Joe Newell

[Iain G]

One day I’ll open this thread and it won’t be filled with the same people arguing about Joe Newell

Am looking forward to when we announce a new 5 year deal for Newell, Campbell and JDH on the same day 🤣

[Centre Hawf]

Just my opinion though I thought McCowan was far more involved in things yesterday , more vocal .

There has been and will be games again where newell goes missing in , that’s not what you want from a captain .

Is there a required number of shouts we should expect from a captain and do we have a way to measure it to make sure they’re hitting their target? Or is it just another Hibs fan myth that Newell isn’t vocal?

The going missing thing I can just about understand, but I also think he does turn up and do a lot of stuff right. There is a debate about his involvement in Boyle’s free kick goal. I actually think it’s fine to credit him as he got up the park and kept possession in the final third at a time we were struggling to get any foothold in the game, ultimately ending in an opportunity at goal that got us an equaliser. It may not be winning the ball and running beyond 2/3 men before papping it top bin but it’s an objectively positive contribution to us.

[EGL2000]

Really hoping we have an option to cut Bursic loan. Pretty obvious it is going to work for him here.

[Potty78]

Midfield 3 of Newell,McCowan and the lad from celtic will be a good starting three in in midfield. Fix the back four and the goalie job done👍

[Smartie]

Really hoping we have an option to cut Bursiks loan. Pretty obvious it is going to work for him here.

It may not happen this window, but I'd be absolutely staggered if he raised his game to an extent that he was our number one after January.

He might be allowed to limp through to January due to a lack of adequate competition but I'd be amazed if a new number one wasn't top of our list for January. By then, he'll have had a fair crack of the whip which it's hard to say he really has up to this point, even if he has been really quite unimpressive so far.

[LeithMike]

Was he better than Newell yesterday?


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Absolutely. He drove Dundee forward for the equaliser while we dropped off and surrendered the midfield. That snapshot where he picked up the ball on the edge of their box late on in the second half then took them forward to our box within a few seconds tells you everything that’s wrong with us. We don’t have anyone who can do that and haven’t since McGinn left.

McCowan replacing Newell is our chance to get away from a slow, soft centre to our team and will bring players like Boyle back to life.


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[BoomtownHibees]

Midfield 3 of Newell,McCowan and the lad from celtic will be a good starting three in in midfield. Fix the back four and the goalie job done👍

McCowan, Kwon and Rudi would be better

[LeithMike]

Midfield 3 of Newell,McCowan and the lad from celtic will be a good starting three in in midfield. Fix the back four and the goalie job done[emoji106]

Kwon, McCowan, Rudi would be far better. Levitt to challenge Rudi for #10.


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[chrisski33]

I see this poor captain thing a lot. I’d like to hear from someone why he’s not got any leadership qualities and is a poor captain.

Yet those from his fan club fail to say what they are. Hes not all to blame for lack of leadership but hes been a constant over the last couple of years and yet only shows glimpses of good play.

[GreenCastle]

Something else to think about age…

McCowan is 26 and hitting his prime.

Newell is 31 and past his prime. He’s only getting slower.

It’s a no brainer - that doesn’t mean Newell has to leave the club but he would be a decent enough player to bring late in to bring some calmness to the team and keep the ball - see the game out - than starting - let alone a captain who has only played well for 25 mins of the last 4 games.

[Lago]

Well for all the discussion around shape, defenders, goalkeeper, midfield and Boyle/Newell, the thing for me watching yesterday the football is slow, mi's placed passes frankly dull, dull, dull.

[Stuart93]

Midfield 3 of Newell,McCowan and the lad from celtic will be a good starting three in in midfield. Fix the back four and the goalie job done👍

The players we’ve brought in were meant to fix the back 4 and goalie

[Donegal Hibby]

Read an article this morning on about clubs in England and Scotland wanting to get Triantis on loan , previous article I read said we weren’t thought to be one of the clubs though this one stated the interested Scottish clubs weren’t known. I wonder who they are ?

[Callum_62]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/13414560/ronaldinho-son-joao-mendes-shock-move-dundee-brunley-loan/amp/

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[Centre Hawf]

Yet those from his fan club fail to say what they are. Hes not all to blame for lack of leadership but hes been a constant over the last couple of years and yet only shows glimpses of good play.

My two counters to that are that he’s been appointed by one of our best captains of the last 30 years. Who has played with him and worked with him for years. If there was any flaws in his leadership abilities I doubt Gray would have appointed him so easily.

The second point is that when I watched his mic’d up video I was impressed by how he talked players through the game. He was excellent and communicating with O’Hora to identify threats and failings and talked Campbell through the press etc.

I get that people think he’s not a great football player. I do disagree but I understand it’s about opinions. But I do honestly believe the captaincy chat is just something made up to beat him with further because people hate him. The same as Paul Hanlon had for years prior to him leaving.

[Since452]

A good goalkeeper and a good goal scorer will get you far in the Scottish Primership. So far it looks like we may have one of them, possibly two up front in Bowie and Myko. The goalkeeper issue is worrying though. Thought he should have done better at St Mirren and every game thereafter.

[hibeerealist]

I've been saying exactly that for years with Newell, now it's not his fault both full backs are sheite, but he does dictate the pace of the game when we have the ball, and it's always way too slow.I personally can't wait until he's replaced or retired, I've seen the same pattern of play from him for far too long.


Could not agree more, frustrates the life out of me (and many more I think)yet there appear to be a couple of our fans who think he is top man!

I think our team, pace of play and results will instantly improve with JN on the bench / gone, we will see.

Not interested in hearing from the "but, but, he is our best midfielder fandans", that is a poor argument.

[flash]

Could not agree more, frustrates the life out of me (and many more I think)yet there appear to be a couple of our fans who think he is top man!

I think our team, pace of play and results will instantly improve with JN on the bench / gone, we will see.

Not interested in hearing from the "but, but, he is our best midfielder fandans", that is a poor argument.

No need to insult people who disagree with your opinion particularly given the amount of dross you have posted on here previously.

[Franck Stanton]

Has he signed yet?

[hibee-boys]

An inch away from scoring for the winner , twice the player newel is

Keep saying things like that and the people in the white coats will be knocking at your door.

[Hibernian Verse]

Could not agree more, frustrates the life out of me (and many more I think)yet there appear to be a couple of our fans who think he is top man!

I think our team, pace of play and results will instantly improve with JN on the bench / gone, we will see.

Not interested in hearing from the "but, but, he is our best midfielder fandans", that is a poor argument.

Haha can’t believe a grown man (presumably) just typed fandans on the internet.

[MWHIBBIES]

Could not agree more, frustrates the life out of me (and many more I think)yet there appear to be a couple of our fans who think he is top man!

I think our team, pace of play and results will instantly improve with JN on the bench / gone, we will see.

Not interested in hearing from the "but, but, he is our best midfielder fandans", that is a poor argument.

I mean, we benched him against Kelty. Did we instantly improve? Or did we lose to a part time side?

Could it be more than Joe Newell to blame for our problems?

[Donegal Hibby]

I mean, we benched him against Kelty. Did we instantly improve? Or did we lose to a part time side?

Could it be more than Joe Newell to blame for our problems?

We did make 6 or 7 other changes that day too and if I recall correctly you called it good management.

Probably but seeing as he plays more games than any of our other midfielders I’d say he’s a big part of it though .

[MWHIBBIES]

We did make 6 or 7 other changes that day too and if I recall correctly you called it good management.

Probably but seeing as he plays more games than any of our other midfielders I’d say he’s a big part of it though .

It was good management. We've quite rightly binned the rubbish Vente after he cost us that match, and St Mirren match.

I just don't think any player is a big part of our problems. I think without him last season we''d have been much worse off.

[Hamish]

Noticed the lad Hearts had on loan, James Hill, is again on the bench for Bournemouth today. Would he be an option?

[bingo70]

Noticed the lad Hearts had on loan, James Hill, is again on the bench for Bournemouth today. Would he be an option?

Don’t think so, he had a very successful loan spell at Blackburn last season. He’s obviously still needed to be a squad player at Bournemouth just now but if he was allowed to go out on loan, there’d be a queue of Championship clubs wanting him.

[Hamish]

Don’t think so, he had a very successful loan spell at Blackburn last season. He’s obviously still needed to be a squad player at Bournemouth just now but if he was allowed to go out on loan, there’d be a queue of Championship clubs wanting him.

Aye you are probably right. Just thought at least he would know the standard and what to expect.

[Percy Vere]

One day I’ll open this thread and it won’t be filled with the same people arguing about Joe Newell

it's been a constant since he arrived at Hibs.
Absolute disgrace.
But whenever you stick up for the guy the Newell haters love it.
He's not crap, he's not brilliant (or he would be in the English Premier league) but he's a very decent pro with a very good left foot, who chooses to ply his trade with us and as our Captain deserves a bit more respect. With a couple more good midfielders around him I reckon you see a better Joe.

[AlbertK86]

He’ll be with us soon [emoji106]

Hope you are right with your delivery [emoji16]


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[WestStandWillie]

it's been a constant since he arrived at Hibs.
Absolute disgrace.
But whenever you stick up for the guy the Newell haters love it.
He's not crap, he's not brilliant (or he would be in the English Premier league) but he's a very decent pro with a very good left foot, who chooses to ply his trade with us and as our Captain deserves a bit more respect. With a couple more good midfielders around him I reckon you see a better Joe.

He’ll get his respect when he

- puts a shift in
- takes a set piece properly
- stops giving away stupid fouls/picking up stupid bookings

Until then he can GTF.

[CapitalGreen]

it's been a constant since he arrived at Hibs.
Absolute disgrace.
But whenever you stick up for the guy the Newell haters love it.
He's not crap, he's not brilliant (or he would be in the English Premier league) but he's a very decent pro with a very good left foot, who chooses to ply his trade with us and as our Captain deserves a bit more respect. With a couple more good midfielders around him I reckon you see a better Joe.

Good players raise the levels of those around them, they don’t rely on good players around them to show their quality.

[DIXIHIBS]

He’ll get his respect when he

- puts a shift in
- takes a set piece properly
- stops giving away stupid fouls/picking up stupid bookings

Until then he can GTF.

A supposed Hibs fan telling Hibs captain to GTF....getting worse on here.

[flash]

He’ll get his respect when he

- puts a shift in
- takes a set piece properly
- stops giving away stupid fouls/picking up stupid bookings

Until then he can GTF.

Stay classy.

[Donegal Hibby]

It was good management. We've quite rightly binned the rubbish Vente after he cost us that match, and St Mirren match.

I just don't think any player is a big part of our problems. I think without him last season we''d have been much worse off.

It didn’t work out to be .

Players that are playing regularly in a team that are struggling are part of the problem. Newell has/is playing more than most over the last few years and we are still debating a failing midfield even now .

I keep hearing from the Joe Newell fan club if he had better players around him he’d be ok … just goes to highlight he is part of the problem which will continue as long as he’s playing regularly.

Ask yourself a question , would he be playing regularly at hertz and Aberdeen ? I very much doubt he would and in fact he’d have struggled to get into that Dundee midfield yesterday too .

[WestStandWillie]

A supposed Hibs fan telling Hibs captain to GTF....getting worse on here.

He’s not good enough and should have been moved on. Instead a new contract and the armband. Disgraceful behaviour from those at the club.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’ll get his respect when he

- puts a shift in
- takes a set piece properly
- stops giving away stupid fouls/picking up stupid bookings

Until then he can GTF.

Puts a shift in every week. Very hard working player.
Decent set piece delivery. Was woeful yesterday without him taking any corners.
Everyone picks up stupid bookings and gives away stupid fouls. Joe Newell has missed exactly 0 Hibs matches through yellow cards.

[Since90+2]

It didn’t work out to be .

Players that are playing regularly in a team that are struggling are part of the problem. Newell has/is playing more than most over the last few years and we are still debating a failing midfield even now .

I keep hearing from the Joe Newell fan club if he had better players around him he’d be ok … just goes to highlight he is part of the problem which will continue as long as he’s playing regularly.

Ask yourself a question , would he be playing regularly at hertz and Aberdeen ? I very much doubt he would and in fact he’d have struggled to get into that Dundee midfield yesterday too .

He's a better player than Cammy Devlin and he plays a lot of games for Hear7s.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s not good enough and should have been moved on. Instead a new contract and the armband. Disgraceful behaviour from those at the club.

What he not good enough for? He is our best midfielder. Should be moving on all others first.

"Disgraceful behaviour" get a grip.

[DIXIHIBS]

He’s not good enough and should have been moved on. Instead a new contract and the armband. Disgraceful behaviour from those at the club.

Okay.

[BoomtownHibees]

What he not good enough for? He is our best midfielder. Should be moving on all others first.

"Disgraceful behaviour" get a grip.

Do you have an alert setup for every time someone posts about Newell?

[WestStandWillie]

Puts a shift in every week. Very hard working player.
Decent set piece delivery. Was woeful yesterday without him taking any corners.
Everyone picks up stupid bookings and gives away stupid fouls. Joe Newell has missed exactly 0 Hibs matches through yellow cards.

You’re at it.

His corners are utterly abysmal.

As for bookings/fouls. You can guarantee he’ll get booked almost every week. It’s the same bloody foul he gives away. Man goes past him so he pulls them back.

[Since90+2]

Puts a shift in every week. Very hard working player.
Decent set piece delivery. Was woeful yesterday without him taking any corners.
Everyone picks up stupid bookings and gives away stupid fouls. Joe Newell has missed exactly 0 Hibs matches through yellow cards.

That's not correct.

He missed a game last season due to having received too many yellows.

[MWHIBBIES]

You’re at it.

His corners are utterly abysmal.

As for bookings/fouls. You can guarantee he’ll get booked almost every week. It’s the same bloody foul he gives away. Man goes past him so he pulls them back.
They're not abysmal at all. Excellent assist for O'Hora just a few weeks ago from a corner.

If he gets booked almost every week, why has he never been suspended for yellow cards? You better tell the league we've been playing ineligible players again.

[MWHIBBIES]

That's not correct.

He missed a game last season due to having received too many yellows.

Sorry, you're right. St Johnstone away. Looks like 1 in 5 years here. Not really too bad.

[CapitalGreen]

Puts a shift in every week. Very hard working player.
Decent set piece delivery. Was woeful yesterday without him taking any corners.
Everyone picks up stupid bookings and gives away stupid fouls. Joe Newell has missed exactly 0 Hibs matches through yellow cards.

He’s missed a game in each of the last 2 seasons through yellow cards.

[A Hi-Bee]

FFS this is the transfer thread and all we get is the same greeting point scoring blethers, havering back and forth.
We need quality players and a new goalkeeper, nothing has changed yet.
:cb

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s missed a game in each of the last 2 seasons through yellow cards.

Yeah. Seems transfer market just has them down as "not in squad". My error.

Still really not a big weakness of his I think. Tactical fouling happens all the time. We'd just hear "why didn't he pull him down" if the player went on to score.

[Docker]

Newell will still play often. If you think 2 new signings and a 18 year old will be our starting midfield right away and every single game, you're wrong.

It should mean no place for players that are much worse than Newell, like NMW and Campbell.

I think Rudi, NMW, Campbell and The Cadden’s would be better suited to roles in a midfield driven by McCowan(if we get him) and anchored by Kwon. Newell might be a better player(opinions) but not necessarily suited for a position that’s free in midfield. The trouble is we’ll “find” a slot for him. Where would you see him play if McCowan and Kwon are played in their preferred positions?

[MWHIBBIES]

I think Rudi, NMW, Campbell and The Cadden’s would be better suited to roles in a midfield driven by McCowan(if we get him) and anchored by Kwon. Newell might be a better player(opinions) but not necessarily suited for a position that’s free in midfield. The trouble is we’ll “find” a slot for him. Where would you see him play if McCowan and Kwon are played in their preferred positions?

Id happily have Newell on the bench if we can sign better. Campbell and NMW and nowhere near better, so Newell would play over then. They were both lost laddies when they came on. Josh lost the ball with his first touch. NMW didn't even touch it I don't think.

[A Hi-Bee]

Id happily have Newell on the bench if we can sign better. Campbell and NMW and nowhere near better, so Newell would play over then. They were both lost laddies when they came on. Josh lost the ball with his first touch. NMW didn't even touch it I don't think.

Campbell was very unlucky not to score, but we do need better than any 3 of them, with luck things will start to change and the Joe Newells and such will just be in the history books for Hibs.

[SaulGoodman]

I give up

[Keepthefaith]

I give up


Are you trying to find the transfer thread too? It seems to have yet again turned into the love/ hate Joe Newell thread...

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Are you trying to find the transfer thread too? It seems to have yet again turned into the love/ hate Joe Newell thread...

maybe we start a fresh transfer thread?

did McCowan leave the field like he’d played his last game?

[Callum_62]

maybe we start a fresh transfer thread?

did McCowan leave the field like he’d played his last game?Clapped the Dundee fans from about 30 yards away - didn't look anything out of the ordinary for me

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[Docker]

Id happily have Newell on the bench if we can sign better. Campbell and NMW and nowhere near better, so Newell would play over then. They were both lost laddies when they came on. Josh lost the ball with his first touch. NMW didn't even touch it I don't think.

I understand who you think Newell is better than but my question is where does Newell play in a midfield with Kwon at DM and McCowan driving from the middle. I’m not sure Newell will be better than any of the others in the roles that would be left. Again……what role would be suited to Newell’s skillset if McCowan and Kwon played in their preferred positions?

[MWHIBBIES]

I understand who you think Newell is better than but my question is where does Newell play in a midfield with Kwon at DM and McCowan driving from the middle. I’m not sure Newell will be better than any of the others in the roles that would be left. Again……what role would be suited to Newell’s skillset if McCowan and Kwon played in their preferred positions?

Probably next to them? And if not, off the bench at 60 minutes to replace one. I've not seen much of McCowan but he didn't look much better than Newell yesterday. And Kwon still a few weeks from full fitness, and can't play against Celtic. Newell will get plenty minutes. Different games require different midfields.

[Pete70]

What a surprise. Folk arguing about Joe Newell. Again!

[PatHead]

When does the window close?

[Potty78]

maybe we start a fresh transfer thread?

did McCowan leave the field like he’d played his last game?

He's played his last game for Dundee👍

[Donegal Hibby]

Id happily have Newell on the bench if we can sign better. Campbell and NMW and nowhere near better, so Newell would play over then. They were both lost laddies when they came on. Josh lost the ball with his first touch. NMW didn't even touch it I don't think.

You seem to regularly think Campbell and newell play in the same position or are the same type of players which is really baffling.

[staunchhibby]

It's about time this thread was closed.Its more like vent your feelings than transfer news.

[GordonHFC]

He's played his last game for Dundee👍

Where is he going though 🤔

[Glass half full]

Noticed at full time the first handshake was between McGowan and Gray when he walked onto the pitch.

[MWHIBBIES]

You seem to regularly think Campbell and newell play in the same position or are the same type of players which is really baffling.

I don't think that at all.

[Potty78]

Where is he going though 🤔

I gather the deal is done to us👍🤞

[CapitalGreen]

Noticed at full time the first handshake was between McGowan and Gray when he walked onto the pitch.

I’m not a great lip reader but I’m sure he said “see you next Tuesday”

[Centre Hawf]

I understand who you think Newell is better than but my question is where does Newell play in a midfield with Kwon at DM and McCowan driving from the middle. I’m not sure Newell will be better than any of the others in the roles that would be left. Again……what role would be suited to Newell’s skillset if McCowan and Kwon played in their preferred positions?

McCowan over Campbell and Rudi. Newell beside him supporting him in a McGeouch type recycler role. Kwon defensively minded to help the leaky defence.

[Callum_62]

I’m not a great lip reader but I’m sure he said “see you next Tuesday”No, it was "C U Next Tuesday"

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[Donegal Hibby]

I don't think that at all.

You seem to be regularly making comparisons which is a bit like comparing Rodri with De Bruyne who are two totally different type of players , it’s like comparing chalk and cheese.


I've seen teams having both an attacking midfielder and a central midfielder on their bench in games . We could have both Newell and Campbell on ours , Campbell if we need another attacking option and an older wiser head in newell who can slow a game down .

[CapitalGreen]

No, it was "C U Next Tuesday"

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[Callum_62]

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[GloryGlory]

I gather the deal is done to us👍🤞

Let's hope Hibs get it done and dusted pronto then. Don't want someone coming in at the last minute and gazumping us. Or Dundee playing brinkmanship for the next few days to see if a better offer comes along.

[A Hi-Bee]

McCowan over Campbell and Rudi. Newell beside him supporting him in a McGeouch type recycler role. Kwon defensively minded to help the leaky defence.

How can you mention Newell and the wee magician McGeouch in the same sentence. No way comparable.
:thumbsup:

[04Sauzee]

🚨🔵 Napoli are closing in on Scott McTominay deal, NOT linked to Billy Gilmour as negotiations remain separate.

New bid worth over €30m accepted by Manchester United and talks moving to final stages also on player side.

Almost there. ⏳🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[A Hi-Bee]

🚨🔵 Napoli are closing in on Scott McTominay deal, NOT linked to Billy Gilmour as negotiations remain separate.

New bid worth over €30m accepted by Manchester United and talks moving to final stages also on player side.

Almost there. ⏳🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Good luck to the boy, much better move for him, foods great as well, better summers what's no to like.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Tammy Abraham close to signing for The Hammers, would be a good signing.

[Hibees1973]

Know Michael Stewart gets a hard time on here, mainly due to his comments about Hibs being a bit too close to the bone for some on hibs.net

His comments last night on Sportscene about Hibs finally having football people making football decisions at the club maybe upset some on here. Our club has been crippled on the park for years due to decisions made by Kensell and the Gordons. Numerous of these poor decisions are still on the park and around the club which we will still be paying for, for some time.

Gray's defensive substitution didn't help him yesterday. It was a poor decision and revealed his mind set. I reckon if we get beat next week the start to our season will almost mirror the start to last season (League & League Cup) which resulted in Johnson being sacked. What will Ian Gordon and Kensell do then? You can honestly see MacKay becoming Hibs manager at some point this season.

To help Gray, those in charge, have to move on some of the players who have and continue to contribute nothing, for example Kenneh, JDH, Tavares, McKirdy, Delferriere, etc. Having players of this ilk hanging around the club is counter productive for Gray. They need to be replaced this week by quality or Gray may only have around 10 games left as manager.

Gray has also not been helped by, what up to now, looks to be poor recruitment at goalkeeper and centre half. These players must show some courage and nouse immediately as they are putting Gray's job at risk.

[04Sauzee]

Tammy Abraham close to signing for The Hammers, would be a good signing.

Few clubs looked at him, think his time out with injury may have put a few clubs off

[gbhibby]

Good luck to the boy, much better move for him, foods great as well, better summers what's no to like.
Don't buy a house in Naples though

[A Hi-Bee]

Don't buy a house in Naples though

Wi the money he has, and will have he can choose where in Italy he lives, wont be some back street slum in the port area :faf:

What a life, he will become a better player as well in my humble.

[Joe6-2]

It's about time this thread was closed.Its more like vent your feelings than transfer news.

This

[A Hi-Bee]

This

Vente is spelt wi an "e"

:greengrin

[7Hero]

Don't buy a house in Naples though

You'll find this hard to believe but Naples does have some decent neighbourhoods..

[Scottie]

Tammy Abraham close to signing for The Hammers, would be a good signing.
Would be a fantastic signing for the Irons. He’s been great in Italy of late. Big powerful laddie.

[Centre Hawf]

How can you mention Newell and the wee magician McGeouch in the same sentence. No way comparable.
:thumbsup:

I’m losing the will to live at this point.

[Gordy M]

I gather the deal is done to us👍🤞

Something you know? Or just what you think? Be good if we can get him in.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Would be a fantastic signing for the Irons. He’s been great in Italy of late. Big powerful laddie.

Fullkrug, Abraham, Paqueta, Bowen and Kudus would be some attacking five.

[Gordy M]

Yep 👍

Good stuff, think he can make a difference in the midefield especially in the attacking sense.

[Earlydelivery]

Something you know? Or just what you think? Be good if we can get him in.
I posted last week the fee agreed .. it will be done very shortly

[Gordy M]

I posted last week the fee agreed .. it will be done very shortly

Ideal, cheers

[Callum_62]

Know Michael Stewart gets a hard time on here, mainly due to his comments about Hibs being a bit too close to the bone for some on hibs.net

His comments last night on Sportscene about Hibs finally having football people making football decisions at the club maybe upset some on here. Our club has been crippled on the park for years due to decisions made by Kensell and the Gordons. Numerous of these poor decisions are still on the park and around the club which we will still be paying for, for some time.



The positive noises about recruitment makes me think it's obvious to all we are making far better decisions and don't be surprised if they have some knowledge that McCowan is likely to happen

On another note Gray needs to help himself too - it isn't absolve David Gray of all blame and it's everyone else's fault imo

Not when we have signed nigh on a whole new side and alot of the signings imo, look like decent sensible options

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[ancient hibee]

I’m not a great lip reader but I’m sure he said “see you next Tuesday”

Gray was actually saying “are you ok as central defence next week”.

[MWHIBBIES]

You seem to be regularly making comparisons which is a bit like comparing Rodri with De Bruyne who are two totally different type of players , it’s like comparing chalk and cheese.


I've seen teams having both an attacking midfielder and a central midfielder on their bench in games . We could have both Newell and Campbell on ours , Campbell if we need another attacking option and an older wiser head in newell who can slow a game down .

Of course, in theory that can work. But Campbell just isn't good enough I don't think. Him and NMW aren't guys I'd ever want to bring on. They offer no control which is very important if you are needing a goal.

[Alex Trager]

Puts a shift in every week. Very hard working player.
Decent set piece delivery. Was woeful yesterday without him taking any corners.
Everyone picks up stupid bookings and gives away stupid fouls. Joe Newell has missed exactly 0 Hibs matches through yellow cards.

I can think of at least once when he got a second yellow card and got sent off.

[Since90+2]

I can think of at least once when he got a second yellow card and got sent off.

He cost us massively with his second yellow against Hearts in the semi final, just as we were getting back into the game. That silly challenge ended our chances of winning the tie.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I can think of at least once when he got a second yellow card and got sent off.

Hearts semi.

[MWHIBBIES]

He cost us massively with his second yellow against Hearts in the semi final, just as we were getting back into the game. That silly challenge ended our chances of winning the tie.

While I agree he made a real error there, being 2-0 down after 20 minutes and having James Scott, one of the worst players to ever wear a Hibs shirt, up front alone cost us more. An awful day.

[Since90+2]

While I agree he made a real error there, being 2-0 down after 20 minutes and having James Scott, one of the worst players to ever wear a Hibs shirt, up front alone cost us more. An awful day.

No point going over that game all over again, just pointing out it's another example of him receiving a ban due to yellows after you claimed it had never happened.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Don't buy a house in Naples though

Sorrento

[Wilson]

Sorrento

Bless you!

[MWHIBBIES]

No point going over that game all over again, just pointing out it's another example of him receiving a ban due to yellows after you claimed it had never happened.

I was of course talking about an accumulation of yellows. Not a red card for 2 yellows. I didn't forget that match.

[Potty78]

I posted last week the fee agreed .. it will be done very shortly

No done shortly its done🙈 👍

[Joe6-2]

What ever floats your boat.
🤢

[Potty78]

Of course, in theory that can work. But Campbell just isn't good enough I don't think. Him and NMW aren't guys I'd ever want to bring on. They offer no control which is very important if you are needing a goal.

While I agree Campbell ain't good enough, he is decent for a goal now and again. Inches yesterday🤷

[04Sauzee]

Peter Lawwell getting grief at the St Mirren game today due to lack of cash being spent at Celtic after raking it in. Would £1m on McCowan please them? Dundee fans still confident that's where he's heading.



https://x.com/sloanybhoy7/status/1827720571276193802?t=_iP5PR7bdS_Y7yepTRoBSw&s=19

[SON OF PADDY]

I was at the game and he was absolutely what we need in midfield, class....we don't have that....

I concur 👍🏻

[blackpoolhibs]

While I agree he made a real error there, being 2-0 down after 20 minutes and having James Scott, one of the worst players to ever wear a Hibs shirt, up front alone cost us more. An awful day.

You are right, it's always someone else's fault.

[MWHIBBIES]

You are right

I know.

[Coco Bryce]

While I agree Campbell ain't good enough, he is decent for a goal now and again. Inches yesterday🤷

Should have scored really.

[JohnM1875]

Should have scored really.

Yup, thought the same, or at least hit the target.

[Donegal Hibby]

Of course, in theory that can work. But Campbell just isn't good enough I don't think. Him and NMW aren't guys I'd ever want to bring on. They offer no control which is very important if you are needing a goal.

Both players though at 22 and 24 can still improve and have their best years in front of them . What’s newell got at 31?. I’ve seen newell lose control plenty of times and in fairness you wouldn’t want to be waiting on him for a goal either.

[He's here!]

Yup, thought the same, or at least hit the target.

He was genuinely unfortunate with that effort. Hitting it first time must have been tempting but I thought he showed admirable composure.

[Potty78]

He was genuinely unfortunate with that effort. Hitting it first time must have been tempting but I thought he showed admirable composure.

He did, this place is nuts😄

[MWHIBBIES]

Both players though at 22 and 24 can still improve and have their best years in front of them . What’s newell got at 31?. I’ve seen newell lose control plenty of times and in fairness you wouldn’t want to be waiting on him for a goal either.

Age isn't relevant here imo. Great, they can still improve. We've plenty of players who could improve.

You are getting 31 and 36 mixed up. Newell has plenty in him yet.

[JohnM1875]

He was genuinely unfortunate with that effort. Hitting it first time must have been tempting but I thought he showed admirable composure.

He did totally agree. Haven't watched the full highlights back yet, just their goals, so I’m maybe being harsh on Campbell. But remember coming away from the game thinking he should've scored.

[supermcginn]

Both players though at 22 and 24 can still improve and have their best years in front of them . What’s newell got at 31?. I’ve seen newell lose control plenty of times and in fairness you wouldn’t want to be waiting on him for a goal either.

24 isn't young, Rudi at 18 is young. Newell is very average but Campbell is much inferior.

[Donegal Hibby]

Age isn't relevant here imo. Great, they can still improve. We've plenty of players who could improve.

You are getting 31 and 36 mixed up. Newell has plenty in him yet.

Glad we agree they can still improve and I agree that newell has plenty to offer at 31 but I don’t think it should be as a first team though👍

[Potty78]

He did totally agree. Haven't watched the full highlights back yet, just their goals, so I’m maybe being harsh on Campbell. But remember coming away from the game thinking he should've scored.

Watch again mate, he's unlucky 👍

[.Sean.]

You'll find this hard to believe but Naples does have some decent neighbourhoods..
What’s wrong with Naples? Genuine question, never been

[04Sauzee]

So other than Bevan who's been linked with us, is there any other Bournemouth or even possibly Lorient players who could possibly end up here on loan?

[JohnM1875]

Watch again mate, he's unlucky 👍

Jesus, just watched it. Whole Dundee team is in their box. Very unlucky. Swear it looked much easier from my seat.

[Heisenberg]

Peter Lawwell getting grief at the St Mirren game today due to lack of cash being spent at Celtic after raking it in. Would £1m on McCowan please them? Dundee fans still confident that's where he's heading.



https://x.com/sloanybhoy7/status/1827720571276193802?t=_iP5PR7bdS_Y7yepTRoBSw&s=19

I’d be very surprised if he goes there but like you say every Dundee fan I’ve seen seems convinced there’s no chance he comes here and it’s only Celtc in the picture.

[MWHIBBIES]

Glad we agree they can still improve and I agree that newell has plenty to offer at 31 but I don’t think it should be as a first team though👍

''can'' doesn't mean they will. I'd wager neither will ever play in a top 3 Hibs side.