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ancient hibee
30-07-2024, 05:19 PM
Out of interest, how many club owners do you think will be interviewed by Sky? I will make a guess at zero. I really don’t see the Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen owners being in the programme. The only person I reasonably expect to be interviewed are David Gray and Malky McKayYes.How often was Tom Farmer interviewed? Or Rod if it comes to that.So many on here always want to be told things. Probably so that they can post disagreeing.

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 05:19 PM
We have McKirdy who is a striker. How do you know we could get the players we actually want before now? Wouldn’t we have just done it then?So we're at that stage are we, relying on McKirdy to come good.

TrinityHFC
30-07-2024, 05:20 PM
We could wait and pay a fee to sign quality like McKirdy on the final day of the window again.

I think you are missing the point. It is about waiting until the last day it is about the right players whenever that is.

Talking about previous mistakes just emphasises why we need to allow the current team to try and get it right.

007
30-07-2024, 05:21 PM
Doubt he would play don’t think he’s featured for Swansea all pre season

Last he came here he signed on 1st Sep, it took 2 weeks for the paperwork to be done and he played 86 minutes for us on 17th Sep. When he joined he said he'd been training with the youth team. Hopefully he's one of those players who gets up to speed quite quickly, if he signs.

TrinityHFC
30-07-2024, 05:22 PM
So we're at that stage are we, relying on McKirdy to come good.

For the moment yes, that’s what we’ve been left with. Was simply making the point we have back up to Vente. He probably has a shout for playing in front of him just now.

CropleyWasGod
30-07-2024, 05:23 PM
So for us less financially informed ones on here, does the BK’s investment of £6m as an equivalent of 30% of the equity make the Gordons’ valuation of the club at around £20m?

It makes the BK's valuation of their (what was) 25% stake worth £6m.

That's a short way of saying that company valuation is not an exact science. Majority holdings, for example, normally cost more, per share, than minority ones. As with many things, the club is worth what anyone is prepared and able to pay. The BK's were prepared and able to pay £6m for their 25% stake, which has just been diluted.

Scotty Leither
30-07-2024, 05:24 PM
For the moment yes, that’s what we’ve been left with. Was simply making the point we have back up to Vente. He probably has a shout for playing in front of him just now.Do you think the back-up to Vente is any good?

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 05:24 PM
For the moment yes, that’s what we’ve been left with. Was simply making the point we have back up to Vente. He probably has a shout for playing in front of him just now.Ridiculous position to find ourselves in no? Relying on a player that had a serious health scare and we're managing his minutes (rightly) to a degree he's barely featured.

We made sure we got rid of ALF, so we've know for a very long time we'd only have Vente match fit.

Donegal Hibby
30-07-2024, 05:24 PM
Article on our hunt for a striker....

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-striker-hunt-latest-as-former-loan-star-added-to-list-with-clock-ticking-ahead-of-spfl-kick-off-4722519

The Modfather
30-07-2024, 05:24 PM
I think you are missing the point. It is about waiting until the last day it is about the right players whenever that is.

Talking about previous mistakes just emphasises why we need to allow the current team to try and get it right.

How come the good players we needed in goals and centreback were available 4 weeks ago but the quality/right players in other positions still aren’t available?

Lago
30-07-2024, 05:25 PM
Over and above the £7m+ they've put in so far this year? :wink:Doesn’t appears to be much put aside for transfer activity.

Unseen work
30-07-2024, 05:26 PM
If Myko is on loan it needs to be with an option to buy

TrinityHFC
30-07-2024, 05:26 PM
How come the good players we needed in goals and centreback were available 4 weeks ago but the quality/right players in other positions still aren’t available?

Because they are different people with different circumstances? I don’t know. I’m not involved. The people who are say they are working hard on getting more players in.

Scotty Leither
30-07-2024, 05:27 PM
It makes the BK's valuation of their (what was) 25% stake worth £6m.That's a short way of saying that company valuation is not an exact science. Majority holdings, for example, normally cost more, per share, than minority ones. As with many things, the club is worth what anyone is prepared and able to pay. The BK's were prepared and able to pay £6m for their 25% stake, which has just been diluted.Simple arithmetic would point to that being Gordon’s valuation though, surely? Not bad for an initial £5m purchase price.

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 05:27 PM
If Myko is on loan it needs to be with an option to buyCould we afford him? Wasn't wages an issue before and that was when we were chucking money at players.

Ringothedog
30-07-2024, 05:27 PM
Ian Gordon has never spoken publicly about Hibs in ANY public forum that I’ve been in attendance. Kensell was asked some awkward questions at the last AGM, and he was bailed out by the club lawyer. Gordon sat impassively throughout the whole meeting. I find Gordon’s lack of engagement with the wider fan base to be rather “odd” and that’s me putting it kindly.

The awkward questions asked were answered by Kensell that is his job and what he gets paid for. I am sure the other person who spoke was the former finance director, again why should IG speak when the finance director knew the ins and outs of the accounts. Did Tom Farmer ever speak publicly about what was going on at our club, the answer is no, he left it to Petrie. I personally could not care less about IG speaking in public about Hibs.He might just be a poor public speaker or maybe doesn’t want to speak as it will be twisted and disliked by a small section of our support as they do not like our current owners.

TrinityHFC
30-07-2024, 05:28 PM
Do you think the back-up to Vente is any good?

Not really the point is it? The fact is we have some cover and we are clearly trying hard to get better in.

7Hero
30-07-2024, 05:28 PM
Article on our hunt for a striker....

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-striker-hunt-latest-as-former-loan-star-added-to-list-with-clock-ticking-ahead-of-spfl-kick-off-4722519

Well done... A relevant post.

Donegal Hibby
30-07-2024, 05:28 PM
If Myko is on loan it needs to be with an option to buy

I doubt very much there will be one , if what I read Swansea spent to get him .

The Tubs
30-07-2024, 05:29 PM
How come the good players we needed in goals and centreback were available 4 weeks ago but the quality/right players in other positions still aren’t available? Maybe we thought we needed to get centre halves in early as it's important that they build an understanding, so we paid more or didn't wait on higher quality players becoming available. With attackers, perhaps we aren't going to be so prescriptive in how they play but we want more quality so we are willing to hold on for a longer time.

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 05:32 PM
Awe bugger, is that the transfer window closed?Aye, it is now for your cheek.

CapitalGreen
30-07-2024, 05:33 PM
How come the good players we needed in goals and centreback were available 4 weeks ago but the quality/right players in other positions still aren’t available?

Maybe you could give us a step by step breakdown of the process of signing a good footballer so we can identify where Hibs are going wrong this summer.

The Modfather
30-07-2024, 05:34 PM
Maybe we thought we needed to get centre halves in early as it's important that they build an understanding, so we paid more or didn't wait on higher quality players becoming available. With attackers, perhaps we aren't going to be so prescriptive in how they play but we want more quality so we are willing to hold on for a longer time.

Perhaps. It’s also possible that we spent the little budget we did have on the first 3 priority positions, a keeper and two centrebacks. Which means that since then we’re closer to one in one out territory than we are to “game changing investment”.

Ozyhibby
30-07-2024, 05:36 PM
It makes the BK's valuation of their (what was) 25% stake worth £6m.

That's a short way of saying that company valuation is not an exact science. Majority holdings, for example, normally cost more, per share, than minority ones. As with many things, the club is worth what anyone is prepared and able to pay. The BK's were prepared and able to pay £6m for their 25% stake, which has just been diluted.

Also their £6m maybe came with the stipulation that the £6m was reinvested in the company, raising the value again.


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04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 05:37 PM
If Myko is on loan it needs to be with an option to buy

Contracted until 2026 with an option of a further year. I'd imagine IF Hibs are interested it will be in the hope he does well here and they maybe make their money back on him.

The Tubs
30-07-2024, 05:37 PM
Perhaps. It’s also possible that we spent the little budget we did have on the first 3 priority positions, a keeper and two centrebacks. Which means that since then we’re closer to one in one out territory than we are to “game changing investment”. It's a definitely a possibility too, though I'd imagine the plan was always to sign attackers.

CropleyWasGod
30-07-2024, 05:38 PM
Simple arithmetic would point to that being Gordon’s valuation though, surely? Not bad for an initial £5m purchase price.

I don't know if your £5m is correct, but adding that to the £7m they have put in this year, that's £12m they have paid for a c.60% stake. So £20m as a valuation of the club may not be far away... with the caveats I mentioned earlier.

NC1875
30-07-2024, 05:40 PM
How come the good players we needed in goals and centreback were available 4 weeks ago but the quality/right players in other positions still aren’t available?

Don’t get him started. He sees his point as the only point and everyone else is in the wrong.

According to him, we should just wait forever until the “right” players are available. Doesn’t matter the league starts on Sunday.

007
30-07-2024, 05:41 PM
How come the good players we needed in goals and centreback were available 4 weeks ago but the quality/right players in other positions still aren’t available?

How come the biggest, richest clubs will be still signing players right up to deadline day? How come they've not all done all their business by now?

Scotty Leither
30-07-2024, 05:41 PM
It makes the BK's valuation of their (what was) 25% stake worth £6m.The BK's were prepared and able to pay £6m for their 25% stake, which has just been diluted.£24m is the Gordons’ “value” of the club, then? Genuine question.……and they paid precisely £1 over £5m for the club.

The Tubs
30-07-2024, 05:43 PM
Don’t get him started. He sees his point as the only point and everyone else is in the wrong. According to him, we should just wait forever until the “right” players are available. Doesn’t matter the league starts on Sunday. I think we'd have all loved to have signed Myziane or someone of that standard weeks ago. All I was doing was speculating about a possible strategic approach to signing. I easily could be well off the mark.

NC1875
30-07-2024, 05:44 PM
How come the biggest, richest clubs will be still signing players right up to deadline day. How come they've not all done all their business by now?

Because they don’t need 4/5 players to compete in there relative leagues like we do 🤷🏽*♂️

It’s not like we’ve not known the whole of last season that the squad was ***** and needed numerous players signed.

TrinityHFC
30-07-2024, 05:45 PM
Don’t get him started. He sees his point as the only point and everyone else is in the wrong.

According to him, we should just wait forever until the “right” players are available. Doesn’t matter the league starts on Sunday.

No I don’t think we should wait forever, neither do I think we are sitting waiting.

Agree though that the right player next week is better than the wrong player this week. Two weeks ago would have been even better. David Gray agrees with that too. But if that was all coming together in the right timescale we’d have done it wouldn’t we?

I’m not disagreeing on the need for players as quickly as possible. I’ll disagree that the people working on just haven’t bothered to get it done.

CropleyWasGod
30-07-2024, 05:45 PM
£24m is the Gordons’ “value” of the club, then? Genuine question.…and they paid precisely £500,001 for the club.

See my post 7530.

TrinityHFC
30-07-2024, 05:48 PM
Because they don’t need 4/5 players to compete in there relative leagues like we do 🤷🏽*♂️

It’s not like we’ve not known the whole of last season that the squad was ***** and needed numerous players signed.

Man Utd need more than that to compete. They’ve signed 2 players.

Liverpool need to add players and they’ve signed no one.

The Scottish league starts a bit more quickly but that doesn’t mean everyone else has to work to our timescale.

GreenPJ
30-07-2024, 05:51 PM
£24m is the Gordons’ “value” of the club, then? Genuine question.……and they paid precisely £1 over £5m for the club.

They took on the existing debt when they took control. They have also increased revenue (at least off field).

007
30-07-2024, 05:52 PM
Because they don’t need 4/5 players to compete in there relative leagues like we do 🤷🏽*♂️

It’s not like we’ve not known the whole of last season that the squad was ***** and needed numerous players signed.

I see, so they could do all the deals now if they wanted to but they're taking their time as there's no rush.

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 05:54 PM
Man Utd need more than that to compete. They’ve signed 2 players. Liverpool need to add players and they’ve signed no one. The Scottish league starts a bit more quickly but that doesn’t mean everyone else has to work to our timescale.No one is saying we're the worst club in Europe or even the UK at getting transfers done.

All I'm saying is we've announced a 'ground breaking deal' been promised by our CEO that 'significant funds' would be available for the football department and had Foley saying 'a few million pounds to help with the transfer window next summer'. YEt we're over halfway through the window and haven't spent a penny on a squad that needed a massive overhaul.

MWHIBBIES
30-07-2024, 05:58 PM
Happy with myko if it happens. Guy is a quality player.

degenerated
30-07-2024, 06:01 PM
Well this has taken an unexpected turn.Not an entirely surprising one though. There's not many places where I can go and actually raise the tone but this place has certainly become one of them.

degenerated
30-07-2024, 06:03 PM
Merely an example, probably should have referred to the time he sat next to Kensell again unwilling or unable to speak, at a time of Foley's investment, fairly important time in his family ownership of Hibs.Maybe you should have but you chose a snide low blow instead.

Hibiza
30-07-2024, 06:04 PM
It's all a bit deflating .

Cabbage-Patch
30-07-2024, 06:06 PM
Even the happiest of clappers must now surely see there has to be serious issues behind the scenes. I do not believe for one second the lack of signings is down to the recruitment team being methodical and prudent looking for the "perfect" signings and as a result willing to bide time etc.

Either we are failing to persuade our targets to sign or the promised funds aren't available now for whatever reason. Either way I haven't been this worried at the start of a season for as long as I can remember.

SDG has my full support however he is a rookie manager with a weaker squad than the one that got us 7th last year.

Board need to make a statement asap as the lack of info coming out the club is a joke.

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 06:06 PM
No one is saying we're the worst club in Europe or even the UK at getting transfers done.

All I'm saying is we've announced a 'ground breaking deal' been promised by our CEO that 'significant funds' would be available for the football department and had Foley saying 'a few million pounds to help with the transfer window next summer'. YEt we're over halfway through the window and haven't spent a penny on a squad that needed a massive overhaul.

It’s really frustrating and disappointing given the need for players and all the hype. I’ve always had a suspicion that it would go this way though. I think that until Bournemouth have all their ducks in order we’ll need to wait and see who is surplus and who they have signed that can be loaned out. It’s not an ideal plan but may throw up some really good players. I think I’m clutching at straws a bit but something needs to happen or we’re doomed I tell ye. 😂

Bobby's Cinema
30-07-2024, 06:11 PM
Boyle Vente Rudi front three on Saturday with Jair on the bench. 12 goals in 60 league games between them last season. Alarm bells ringing so loudly here - this is not a squad that can be bolstered with U23's from down south or young guys with limited first team games on loan. We need key players coming in.

tonyrougier123
30-07-2024, 06:11 PM
Myk wouldn’t be as good a signing as some seem to think imo. Flashes of ability but I’d hang on for something else. good lad it seems but I was never over enamoured by him.

Lago
30-07-2024, 06:12 PM
Maybe you should have but you chose a snide low blow instead.I've admitted that and deleted, you Mr. Perfect never made a mistake? If not we'll done. 😇

tonyrougier123
30-07-2024, 06:13 PM
It's all a bit deflating .

That’s because people are full of hot air 😬🫣

Winston Ingram
30-07-2024, 06:16 PM
If Myko is on loan it needs to be with an option to buy

No danger we’ll be able to pay his full wage. The purpose of the loan will likely be so he can increase his value so they can sell him, and get their money back.

Hibs90
30-07-2024, 06:17 PM
Still waiting on the 4/5 starters I see.

Actually feel really bad for SDG. Hung out to dry by incompetence in the boardroom and in recruitment, just like some of his predecessors

Winston Ingram
30-07-2024, 06:25 PM
Even the happiest of clappers must now surely see there has to be serious issues behind the scenes. I do not believe for one second the lack of signings is down to the recruitment team being methodical and prudent looking for the "perfect" signings and as a result willing to bide time etc.

Either we are failing to persuade our targets to sign or the promised funds aren't available now for whatever reason. Either way I haven't been this worried at the start of a season for as long as I can remember.

SDG has my full support however he is a rookie manager with a weaker squad than the one that got us 7th last year.

Board need to make a statement asap as the lack of info coming out the club is a joke.

Any lingering doubts I had about our boards competence were confirmed when they allowed that clown they appointed as a manager to run a coach and horses through our season.

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 06:25 PM
Still waiting on the 4/5 starters I see.

Actually feel really bad for SDG. Hung out to dry by incompetence in the boardroom, just like his predecessors.

Being cynical, that’s maybe why he got the job, it’s a position an experienced manager would have steered clear from. Maybe???

007
30-07-2024, 06:28 PM
Myk wouldn’t be as good a signing as some seem to think imo. Flashes of ability but I’d hang on for something else. good lad it seems but I was never over enamoured by him.

That would be a big risk to pass up Kukharevych hoping to unearth better, e.g. another Maolida.

Hibs90
30-07-2024, 06:32 PM
Being cynical, that’s maybe why he got the job, it’s a position an experienced manager would have steered clear from. Maybe???

Maybe but to be honest I Actually think he is a decent manager already, seen more than enough tactical nous and making the right changes within games in his spells as caretaker. Aye he will make mistakes at times like at Kelty but if he learns from them then no worries.

With the right backing and right recruitment of players in place then he’d do welll long term I feel.

HoboHarry
30-07-2024, 06:36 PM
This window has the feel of a re-set to me. The Gordon's buying us genuinely believing they can turn us into a force within Scottish football but failing to make the top six, multiple managers and no real success in signing to sell on at a profit, they've opted for a "safe" Scottish management team of DG and MM, all talk of marquee signings seem to have faded away and a boardroom spat to boot. All rather discouraging, (to me anyway) and all thoughts I had of a bright new shiny future with Foley on board have evaporated away. All a bit meh really.

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 06:37 PM
Maybe but to be honest I Actually think he is a decent manager already, seen more than enough tactical nous and making the right changes within games in his spells as caretaker. Aye he will make mistakes but if he learns from them then no worries.

With the right backing and right recruitment of players in place then he’d do welll long term I feel.

I think so too but looking at the recruitment this summer you could take a cynical view on why he’s there and Eddie May for that matter. I’m not sure Derek McInnes would be very happy with the current situation had he taken the job. FOR EXAMPLE

pepe
30-07-2024, 06:38 PM
I take it I’m the only one happy that we seem to have strengthened the weakest part of the team last season. The defence is what let us down, our number one problem was holding on to leads not the goal scoring. Yes Maolida got us out of trouble the second half but we now have what seems a fully firing Boyle. Yes, another striker would be great but I think the squad looks stronger to me. Were Fish, Hanlon and Stevenson so brilliant last season?

Hibees1973
30-07-2024, 06:38 PM
Even the happiest of clappers must now surely see there has to be serious issues behind the scenes. I do not believe for one second the lack of signings is down to the recruitment team being methodical and prudent looking for the "perfect" signings and as a result willing to bide time etc.Either we are failing to persuade our targets to sign or the promised funds aren't available now for whatever reason. Either way I haven't been this worried at the start of a season for as long as I can remember. SDG has my full support however he is a rookie manager with a weaker squad than the one that got us 7th last year.Board need to make a statement asap as the lack of info coming out the club is a joke.I'm quite happy where we are at just now. Lots of players have left who contributed nothing and MacKay even managed to get a fee for some of them. MacKay has been employed to sort out the mess created by Ian Gordon & Kensell. I would be even happier if Bushiri, Jair, Kenneh, Levitt, etc were off the wage bill as well, but there is not much MacKay can do if these under achievers are sitting on big contracts. He had to move players out to improve our wage to turnover ratio which was at over 80%. I still expect there will be a couple of lower league signings in this window but we will have to put up with the squad we have been saddled with until MacKay has more time to move more players out. The only disappointing thing on my mind is the deal with the Black Knights. Is this completely broken due to the messy spat with Foley. We need Kensell & Ian Gordon to give us an update as it was these two clowns who raised expectations for the season ahead. David Gray at least deserves this.

Caversham Green
30-07-2024, 06:38 PM
£24m is the Gordons’ “value” of the club, then? Genuine question.……and they paid precisely £1 over £5m for the club.

After due diligence the Black Knights were willing to pay £6m for just under 30% of the club so their valuation was £20m after that £6m injection. It follows that the Black Knights (not the Gordons) valued the pre investment club at £14m. Of that £14m the Gordons owned around 75% IIRC so that's about 10.5m.

For that they paid an initial £5m(?), plus whatever they paid to STF, plus the loans of £5.5m which they recently effectively wrote off. That suggests that - on paper at least - they've made a small loss on valuations.

However, valuations are pretty meaningless until the club comes to be bought and sold - as an example the owner of my local club is valuing it at £50m but he is not going to get anywhere near that as the club is worthless as a business.

pepe
30-07-2024, 06:40 PM
I'm quite happy where we are at just now. Lots of players have left who contributed nothing and MacKay even managed to get a fee for some of them. MacKay has been employed to sort out the mess created by Ian Gordon & Kensell. I would be even happier if Bushiri, Jair, Kenneh, Levitt, etc were off the wage bill as well, but there is not much MacKay can do if these under achievers are sitting on big contracts. He had to move players out to improve our wage to turnover ratio which was at over 80%. I still expect there will be a couple of lower league signings in this window but we will have to put up with the squad we have been saddled with until MacKay has more time to move more players out. The only disappointing thing on my mind is the deal with the Black Knights. Is this completely broken due to the messy spat with Foley. We need Kensell & Ian Gordon to give us an update as it was these two clowns who raised expectations for the season ahead. I agree with most of this but Rocky, Levitt and Jair are useful squad members. Why does JDH get a pass?

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 06:40 PM
I take it I’m the only one happy that we seem to have strengthened the weakest part of the team last season. The defence is what let us down, our number one problem was holding on to leads not the goal scoring. Yes Maolida got us out of trouble the second half but we now have what seems a fully firing Boyle. Yes, another striker would be great but I think the squad looks stronger to me. Were Fish, Hanlon and Stevenson so brilliant last season?

We’ve changed the defence. Only time will tell if it has improved.

Mr Grieves
30-07-2024, 06:42 PM
We've known since last season that we needed a new striker and the best we can do is Kukharevych. Seriously, what the **** is going on?

pepe
30-07-2024, 06:42 PM
We’ve changed the defence. Only time will tell if it has improved.Looks pretty clear that it’s improved. It’s definitely taller…

Unseen work
30-07-2024, 06:44 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-consider-junior-hoilett-transfer-33361832

We’re considering Junior Hoilett

My Aberdeen supporting mates loved him and thought he was quality

Caveat - Reported by Scott Burns

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 06:44 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-consider-junior-hoilett-transfer-33361832We’re considering Junior HoilettMy Aberdeen supporting mates loved him and thought he was qualityScott Burns, we're no signing Hoilett then.

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 06:45 PM
Looks pretty clear that it’s improved. It’s definitely taller…

You’ve no idea how these guys will handle a derby or games against Ranger and Celtic. They may be brilliant or they may absolutely fold so to say it’s clear is a jump into the unknown. Like everyone else I’ve got everything crossed that they are better. 🤞

500miles
30-07-2024, 06:46 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-consider-junior-hoilett-transfer-33361832

We’re considering Junior Hoilett

My Aberdeen supporting mates loved him and thought he was quality

Caveat - Reported by Scott Burns
Decent squad player on the right terms, but 34.

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 06:47 PM
Decent squad player on the right terms, but 34.Just going on what I saw of him last year he's a great squad player for a year.

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 06:50 PM
Decent squad player on the right terms, but 34.

Senior Hoilett?

Callum_62
30-07-2024, 06:50 PM
From what I saw of Hoilett at Aberdeen he would make a more than decent squad player



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Aldo
30-07-2024, 06:52 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-consider-junior-hoilett-transfer-33361832

We’re considering Junior Hoilett

My Aberdeen supporting mates loved him and thought he was quality

Caveat - Reported by Scott Burns

You can see the headline already…..

Add any team here…. beat Hibs to signing of Hoilett!

tonyrougier123
30-07-2024, 06:52 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-consider-junior-hoilett-transfer-33361832

We’re considering Junior Hoilett

My Aberdeen supporting mates loved him and thought he was quality

Caveat - Reported by Scott Burns

This literally makes me feel queasy 🤢

GreenCastle
30-07-2024, 06:54 PM
He was good at Aberdeen - made a big difference to them.

Stalled on a contract offer and they moved on.

Left winger but right footed I think.

HoboHarry
30-07-2024, 06:54 PM
From what I saw of Hoilett at Aberdeen he would make a more than decent squad player



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Never understood this term "squad player" I can't ever recall a manager ever saying he wants a certain player just to make up the numbers. If MM and DG aren't trying to sign better than we already have then we are all wasting our time.

Alex Trager
30-07-2024, 06:55 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hibs-consider-junior-hoilett-transfer-33361832

We’re considering Junior Hoilett

My Aberdeen supporting mates loved him and thought he was quality

Caveat - Reported by Scott Burns

He’ll sign for Hearts then.

Heisenberg
30-07-2024, 06:55 PM
We need better depth than Jair and McKirdy in the wide positions and Hoilett would give us that.

Callum_62
30-07-2024, 06:56 PM
Never understood this term "squad player" I can't ever recall a manager ever saying he wants a certain player just to make up the numbers. If MM and DG aren't trying to sign better than we already have then we are all wasting our time.Hoilett is obviously better than Rudi (who i would want to be in and out the team)

Surely a squad player adds to the squad?

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sauzee1989
30-07-2024, 06:56 PM
Would be happy with Hoilett and Myko. Really hope we add another centre half.

bingo70
30-07-2024, 06:59 PM
I’ve seen a few Hibs supporters on Twitter on about 99 red balloons. What is that in reference to?

I’m guessing something to do with big Mike?

HoboHarry
30-07-2024, 07:00 PM
I’ve seen a few Hibs supporters on Twitter on about 99 red balloons. What is that in reference to?

I’m guessing something to do with big Mike?
Signing a striker named Nena? 😁

Unseen work
30-07-2024, 07:02 PM
I’ve seen a few Hibs supporters on Twitter on about 99 red balloons. What is that in reference to?

I’m guessing something to do with big Mike?

He was number 99 for us before. Only thing I can think of

Paul1642
30-07-2024, 07:03 PM
We've known since last season that we needed a new striker and the best we can do is Kukharevych. Seriously, what the **** is going on?

Kukharevych is more than good enough. The only question is over his fitness, not his ability. An injury history can at times be bad luck rather than a sign of things to come. That’s for the medial team to assess. A year long loan is win win really, especially if we can get an option to buy.

King Cosell
30-07-2024, 07:04 PM
Never understood this term "squad player" I can't ever recall a manager ever saying he wants a certain player just to make up the numbers. If MM and DG aren't trying to sign better than we already have then we are all wasting our time.Hoilett would be a squad player in the same way ALF was a squad player. Top notch but not likely to always start/play 90 every week.

B.H.F.C
30-07-2024, 07:06 PM
My only concern with these two is them being available if they sign. Hoilett didn’t play much last season and hasn’t had a pre season. Myko we know about from his time here and he’s hardly played since.

Crab apple
30-07-2024, 07:10 PM
I’ve seen a few Hibs supporters on Twitter on about 99 red balloons. What is that in reference to?

I’m guessing something to do with big Mike?

As long as it's not Lee Johnson I don't care! I see he's in the press today touting himself for a return to management.

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 07:12 PM
My only concern with these two is them being available if they sign. Hoilett didn’t play much last season and hasn’t had a pre season. Myko we know about from his time here and he’s hardly played since.

To me they would be good additions to a good team that could be relied upon if fit and needed. Despite being a ST holder I don’t really have much memory of Myko, he was ok when fit. Hoilett would be a good addition from the bench, like ALF but it’s really not what we were expecting as solid new first team players. If we also had better to come then yes. If this is it, then no.

AlbertK86
30-07-2024, 07:12 PM
You can see the headline already…..

Add any team here…. beat Hibs to signing of Hoilett!

Or maybe he turned down an extension at the sheep to sign for us and Burns is putting on the spin The Sheep turned their back on him and moved on.

He is an odious wee rat of a reporter


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Aldo
30-07-2024, 07:13 PM
Or maybe he turned down an extension at the sheep to sign for us and Burns is putting on the spin The Sheep turned their back on him and moved on.

He is an odious wee rat of a reporter


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Could be and loves a negative Hibs article.

Totally agree with your last but.

scm70nyd1973
30-07-2024, 07:17 PM
I’ve seen a few Hibs supporters on Twitter on about 99 red balloons. What is that in reference to?

I’m guessing something to do with big Mike?

No - it is all about the Aberdeen casuals in the 80s as they passed you by with their Burberry outfits .

Hibees1973
30-07-2024, 07:21 PM
I agree with most of this but Rocky, Levitt and Jair are useful squad members. Why does JDH get a pass?He doesn't get a pass. Include him as well. My list wasn't completely comprehensive as to my mind you could add a few others. My point is I am content we are moving in the right direction by now having a coherent transfer strategy, but it is clearly going to take until next season until I'm completely happy as it is not until then that the likes of Bushiri, Jair, Kenneh, Doyle-Hayes contracts expire. As I said in my post Kensell & Ian Gordon need to communicate if the Black Knights deal has changed as it raised expectations.

Hibees1973
30-07-2024, 07:24 PM
Kukharevych is more than good enough. The only question is over his fitness, not his ability. An injury history can at times be bad luck rather than a sign of things to come. That’s for the medial team to assess. A year long loan is win win really, especially if we can get an option to buy.What's key in this deal is if it is a loan, how much of his wages should Hibs pay. Given his fitness record I would reckon only 25%.

NGoloGrantie
30-07-2024, 07:25 PM
I’ve seen a few Hibs supporters on Twitter on about 99 red balloons. What is that in reference to?

I’m guessing something to do with big Mike?

https://youtu.be/ZIzyUOA_xls?si=8AvzHNadN8bUO6hS

Was his chant


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B.H.F.C
30-07-2024, 07:35 PM
To me they would be good additions to a good team that could be relied upon if fit and needed. Despite being a ST holder I don’t really have much memory of Myko, he was ok when fit. Hoilett would be a good addition from the bench, like ALF but it’s really not what we were expecting as solid new first team players. If we also had better to come then yes. If this is it, then no.

Sums it up quite well. Whilst I’m not against either in terms of ability, I just didn’t think we’d be looking at a loan player who has been here before (and was mostly injured) and a 34 year old free agent being what we’d be after to to improve the team to the extent we need, on the back of the investment. That said, it’s been clear for a few weeks now that we’d probably be looking more along these lines than doing anything too different to normal.

Particularly Myko, fit for the whole season, would be good and would score a decent number of goals I think. Just feels like a big risk.

AlbertK86
30-07-2024, 07:38 PM
Could be and loves a negative Hibs article.

Totally agree with your last but.

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King Cosell
30-07-2024, 07:47 PM
Junior Hoilett saying his goodbyes to Dons fans on Twitter, all the replies are positive. Could be an excellent signing if it happens.

McGruber
30-07-2024, 07:50 PM
I take it I’m the only one happy that we seem to have strengthened the weakest part of the team last season. The defence is what let us down, our number one problem was holding on to leads not the goal scoring. Yes Maolida got us out of trouble the second half but we now have what seems a fully firing Boyle. Yes, another striker would be great but I think the squad looks stronger to me. Were Fish, Hanlon and Stevenson so brilliant last season?Hope you are right but it's a bit of a stretch for me. We've brought 3 into the first team, hopefully they improve the defence but that's still to be put to the test.Not just Hanlon, Fish & Stevenson from the 1st team - from January anyway, Marcondes, Myziane, Triantis and some big contributions from ALF. Add in potentially losing Youan. Still needing to bring in 4 or 5 for me

Bostonhibby
30-07-2024, 07:54 PM
I’ve seen a few Hibs supporters on Twitter on about 99 red balloons. What is that in reference to?

I’m guessing something to do with big Mike?Let's face it, we're signing 99 balloons.


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Ronniekirk
30-07-2024, 07:57 PM
Sums it up quite well. Whilst I’m not against either in terms of ability, I just didn’t think we’d be looking at a loan player who has been here before (and was mostly injured) and a 34 year old free agent being what we’d be after to to improve the team to the extent we need, on the back of the investment. That said, it’s been clear for a few weeks now that we’d probably be looking more along these lines than doing anything too different to normal. Particularly Myko, fit for the whole season, would be good and would score a decent number of goals I think. Just feels like a big risk. It is a huge risk and given our need to strengthen for me it could backfire if he is injured again quickly So given where we are and it’s looking like we aren’t going to dig thst many more players I would rather we don’t risk it

Unseen work
30-07-2024, 08:04 PM
https://afc-chat.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/47699-junior-hoilett/page/21/#comments

Aberdeen fans opinion Hoillet

Always funny a couple that loved him change their opinion when other teams are linked

gorgie greens
30-07-2024, 08:07 PM
He doesn't get a pass. Include him as well. My list wasn't completely comprehensive as to my mind you could add a few others. My point is I am content we are moving in the right direction by now having a coherent transfer strategy, but it is clearly going to take until next season until I'm completely happy as it is not until then that the likes of Bushiri, Jair, Kenneh, Doyle-Hayes contracts expire. As I said in my post Kensell & Ian Gordon need to communicate if the Black Knights deal has changed as it raised expectations.
Under Ron the one thing he never did was hide ,we had Foley speaking out and yet nothing from anyone at Hibs which just fuels the rumours

EGL2000
30-07-2024, 08:25 PM
https://afc-chat.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/47699-junior-hoilett/page/21/#comments

Aberdeen fans opinion Hoillet

Always funny a couple that loved him change their opinion when other teams are linked

My dons pals really liked him.

Donegal Hibby
30-07-2024, 08:32 PM
Came across this article on mykola ...

https://jackarmy.net/2024/07/30/hibernian-return-for-mykola-as-last-summer-continues-to-unwind/

Nicho87
30-07-2024, 08:36 PM
https://youtu.be/Yf5wGnhZAtw?si=VjF9Su4NsdfEKXj1

I’d take some more of this

Lago
30-07-2024, 08:40 PM
He doesn't get a pass. Include him as well. My list wasn't completely comprehensive as to my mind you could add a few others. My point is I am content we are moving in the right direction by now having a coherent transfer strategy, but it is clearly going to take until next season until I'm completely happy as it is not until then that the likes of Bushiri, Jair, Kenneh, Doyle-Hayes contracts expire. As I said in my post Kensell & Ian Gordon need to communicate if the Black Knights deal has changed as it raised expectations.There certainly is a feeling that there has been a change in the deal, but it's only a feeling, nothing to support it.

007
30-07-2024, 08:43 PM
https://afc-chat.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/47699-junior-hoilett/page/21/#comments

Aberdeen fans opinion Hoillet

Always funny a couple that loved him change their opinion when other teams are linked

I see one of them is saying Simon Murray turned down Aberdeen.

04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 08:44 PM
I see one of them is saying Simon Murray turned down Aberdeen.

Yeah and Lacovitti, I'm not believing that?

aberhibsfc
30-07-2024, 08:48 PM
Junior Hoilett saying his goodbyes to Dons fans on Twitter, all the replies are positive. Could be an excellent signing if it happens.

Apologies for hijacking your post, it just drew me in to write my 2 cents below.

I just don't get the strategy. He is not as old as Alf, but his goals to game ratio pales significantly by comparison. I know Alf had a couple more years on him too, but with him, Stevenson and Hanlon gone, I thought we were trying to reduce the squad age.

I don't get the logic. However, I have no first hand knowledge of watching Hoilett, so perhaps he has much to offer in terms of all round play, but going by his stats, he doesn't bring goals to the team.

While I'm at it regards rumours, at the risk of dropping a few more chins, but I don't think Myko is the way forward either. We have had bad experiences regards injured players too, even though young, like Myko, we struggled to field Magennis and JDH is on a similar trajectory. Despite a promising start with Gray acquiring Ekpiteta and O'Hora, potentially Bursik, sadly missing out on Ndaba, I worry that we're running out of road and perhaps options.

This is when we should be looking to take advantage of our promising youngster talent pool as opposed to pumping them out early on loans, granted I don't have the first hand experience or coaching knowledge our management team have. Perhaps towards the end of EPL window, Bournemouth might have some talent available for loan (but I don't want squad fillers either), but if we are struggling for quality and reducing wage bill. I'd rather promote from within or hold off despite being as frustrated as everyone else regards our transfer progress.

Anyway, I'm just as clueless as everyone else.

Donegal Hibby
30-07-2024, 08:48 PM
If the Hoillett story is true ( which I very much doubt) would that mean Jair might be going out on loan possibly?

ChuckNor
30-07-2024, 08:55 PM
I’d be very surprised if Hoilet is on his way to Hibs.

HoboHarry
30-07-2024, 08:58 PM
Apologies for hijacking your post, it just drew me in to write my 2 cents below.

I just don't get the strategy. He is not as old as Alf, but his goals to game ratio pales significantly by comparison. I know Alf had a couple more years on him too, but with him, Stevenson and Hanlon gone, I thought we were trying to reduce the squad age.

I don't get the logic. However, I have no first hand knowledge of watching Hoilett, so perhaps he has much to offer in terms of all round play, but going by his stats, he doesn't bring goals to the team.

While I'm at it regards rumours, at the risk of dropping a few more chins, but I don't think Myko is the way forward either. We have had bad experiences regards injured players too, even though young, like Myko, we struggled to field Magennis and JDH is on a similar trajectory. Despite a promising start with Gray acquiring Ekpiteta and O'Hora, potentially Bursik, sadly missing out on Ndaba, I worry that we're running out of road and perhaps options.

This is when we should be looking to take advantage of our promising youngster talent pool as opposed to pumping them out early on loans, granted I don't have the first hand experience or coaching knowledge our management team have. Perhaps towards the end of EPL window, Bournemouth might have some talent available for loan (but I don't want squad fillers either), but if we are struggling for quality and reducing wage bill. I'd rather promote from within or hold off despite being as frustrated as everyone else regards our transfer progress.

Anyway, I'm just as clueless as everyone else.
I'm not sure there will be any transfer activity with Bournemouth if Foley and the Gordons are at loggerheads?

04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 08:59 PM
Apologies for hijacking your post, it just drew me in to write my 2 cents below.

I just don't get the strategy. He is not as old as Alf, but his goals to game ratio pales significantly by comparison. I know Alf had a couple more years on him too, but with him, Stevenson and Hanlon gone, I thought we were trying to reduce the squad age.

I don't get the logic. However, I have no first hand knowledge of watching Hoilett, so perhaps he has much to offer in terms of all round play, but going by his stats, he doesn't bring goals to the team.

While I'm at it regards rumours, at the risk of dropping a few more chins, but I don't think Myko is the way forward either. We have had bad experiences regards injured players too, even though young, like Myko, we struggled to field Magennis and JDH is on a similar trajectory. Despite a promising start with Gray acquiring Ekpiteta and O'Hora, potentially Bursik, sadly missing out on Ndaba, I worry that we're running out of road and perhaps options.

This is when we should be looking to take advantage of our promising youngster talent pool as opposed to pumping them out early on loans, granted I don't have the first hand experience or coaching knowledge our management team have. Perhaps towards the end of EPL window, Bournemouth might have some talent available for loan (but I don't want squad fillers either), but if we are struggling for quality and reducing wage bill. I'd rather promote from within or hold off despite being as frustrated as everyone else regards our transfer progress.

Anyway, I'm just as clueless as everyone else.

2 goals and 7 assists in 13 games for Aberdeen last season

Only a year older than James Forrest who will probably still get game time for Celtic next season and was at the Euros with Scotland.

In saying all that I'd be very surprised if Hibs are interested.

Unseen work
30-07-2024, 09:01 PM
If the Hoillett story is true ( which I very much doubt) would that mean Jair might be going out on loan possibly?

I see it as Youan leaving and us not wanting to block Rudi’s development

Hoilett due to his age might be a good option to work alongside Rudi and give decent minutes to both

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 09:05 PM
Apologies for hijacking your post, it just drew me in to write my 2 cents below.

I just don't get the strategy. He is not as old as Alf, but his goals to game ratio pales significantly by comparison. I know Alf had a couple more years on him too, but with him, Stevenson and Hanlon gone, I thought we were trying to reduce the squad age.

I don't get the logic. However, I have no first hand knowledge of watching Hoilett, so perhaps he has much to offer in terms of all round play, but going by his stats, he doesn't bring goals to the team.

While I'm at it regards rumours, at the risk of dropping a few more chins, but I don't think Myko is the way forward either. We have had bad experiences regards injured players too, even though young, like Myko, we struggled to field Magennis and JDH is on a similar trajectory. Despite a promising start with Gray acquiring Ekpiteta and O'Hora, potentially Bursik, sadly missing out on Ndaba, I worry that we're running out of road and perhaps options.

This is when we should be looking to take advantage of our promising youngster talent pool as opposed to pumping them out early on loans, granted I don't have the first hand experience or coaching knowledge our management team have. Perhaps towards the end of EPL window, Bournemouth might have some talent available for loan (but I don't want squad fillers either), but if we are struggling for quality and reducing wage bill. I'd rather promote from within or hold off despite being as frustrated as everyone else regards our transfer progress.

Anyway, I'm just as clueless as everyone else.

Without having to know the behind the scenes secrets, it would be good to know the strategy us paying customers are buying into. We have absolutely no clue if we’re still going to be blessed with the additional finances to bring in players this window that would get us challenging for third, or are we totally skint and scrambling around the bottom of the barrel for the has beens of football?

The communication is really poor at the moment, although there are still places available behind the goals! We do know that.

Donegal Hibby
30-07-2024, 09:06 PM
I see it as Youan leaving and use not wanting to block Rudi’s development

Hoilett due to his age might be a good option to work alongside Rudi and give decent minutes to both

We'd be losing out on a fair few goals and assists as I don't think Rudi ( yet ) or Hoillett would reach the figures Youan hit for us last season though.

babahibs
30-07-2024, 09:08 PM
No - it is all about the Aberdeen casuals in the 80s as they passed you by with their Burberry outfits .I've read this about 20 times now, I still don't get it

Real Emerald
30-07-2024, 09:10 PM
We'd be losing out on a fair few goals and assists as I don't think Rudi ( yet ) or Hoillett would reach the figures Youan hit for us last season though.

Exactly, Youan is frustrating with his decision making but I’d so much rather keep him give the current squad we have available. Even if we get £2m for him, that won’t make any difference to the team going forward IMHO. Rather keep.

gbhibby
30-07-2024, 09:10 PM
https://x.com/search?q=mykola%20swansea&t=GV8uir_8M_ZSWJKitmASUw&s=09

Came across thus.

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Unseen work
30-07-2024, 09:10 PM
We'd be losing out on a fair few goals and assists as I don't think Rudi ( yet ) or Hoillett would reach the figures Youan hit for us last season though.

I really don’t want Elie to leave, really like his threat but just feel it’s something we’d do.

In terms of stats last season in the league

Youan
Games - 31
Goals - 4
Assists - 8

Hoilett
Games - 13
Goals - 2
Assists - 7

mcfly
30-07-2024, 09:11 PM
I'm quite happy where we are at just now. Lots of players have left who contributed nothing and MacKay even managed to get a fee for some of them. MacKay has been employed to sort out the mess created by Ian Gordon & Kensell. I would be even happier if Bushiri, Jair, Kenneh, Levitt, etc were off the wage bill as well, but there is not much MacKay can do if these under achievers are sitting on big contracts. He had to move players out to improve our wage to turnover ratio which was at over 80%. I still expect there will be a couple of lower league signings in this window but we will have to put up with the squad we have been saddled with until MacKay has more time to move more players out. The only disappointing thing on my mind is the deal with the Black Knights. Is this completely broken due to the messy spat with Foley. We need Kensell & Ian Gordon to give us an update as it was these two clowns who raised expectations for the season ahead. David Gray at least deserves this.

Seriously you are quite happy??

All our competitors are strengthening

We lost to Kelty hearts and missed out on being a seeded Team in the league cup - now face a trip to Parkhead..

We are going into Sundays first league game with vitrtually the same team that ended last season - in fact we have one striker. What happens if Vente is injured.

We have a huge investment into the club yet none has been spent on what’s most important ie the team.

I’m sorry but I feel more detached from hibs than ever before…

04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 09:11 PM
I see it as Youan leaving and us not wanting to block Rudi’s development

Hoilett due to his age might be a good option to work alongside Rudi and give decent minutes to both

I kind of get that and hadn't thought about that. I still think Rudi is only out wide just now, I think he will eventually move more centrally.

.Sean.
30-07-2024, 09:11 PM
I've read this about 20 times now, I still don't get itGlad it’s no just me 😂

Unseen work
30-07-2024, 09:13 PM
I kind of get that and hadn't thought about that. I still think Rudi is only out wide just now, I think he will eventually move more centrally.

I think in time he might move infield, but for where he’s at now I think he suits being out wide (from the first team games to date)

Seems to be able to influence it more by getting more space to get on the ball at run at players. Also provides a real goal threat and has a really good cross.

Unless you’re about to give an update saying Bowie is signing and will be left of a front 3 with rudi behind the striker 👀

MWHIBBIES
30-07-2024, 09:15 PM
Seriously you are quite happy??

All our competitors are strengthening

We lost to Kelty hearts and missed out on being a seeded Team in the league cup - now face a trip to Parkhead..

We are going into Sundays first league game with vitrtually the same team that ended last season - in fact we have one striker. What happens if Vente is injured.

We have a huge investment into the club yet none has been spent on what’s most important ie the team.

I’m sorry but I feel more detached from hibs than ever before…

All of our competitors are signing players. It's very unlikely they are all strengthening.

TrinityHFC
30-07-2024, 09:16 PM
All of our competitors are signing players. It's very unlikely they are all strengthening.

It is always interesting how much credit our competitors get for everything.

CapitalGreen
30-07-2024, 09:17 PM
We'd be losing out on a fair few goals and assists as I don't think Rudi ( yet ) or Hoillett would reach the figures Youan hit for us last season though.

Hoilet had a goal or assist every 88 minutes for Aberdeen in the league or 0.98 G/A per 90 minutes.

Only Adam Idah and Rabbi Matondo had a better record.

GreenCastle
30-07-2024, 09:17 PM
I really don’t want Elie to leave, really like his threat but just feel it’s something we’d do.

In terms of stats last season in the league

Youan
Games - 31
Goals - 4
Assists - 8

Hoilett
Games - 13
Goals - 2
Assists - 7

But Youan didn’t play in any bottom 6 games.

Hoilett scored 2 goals (against bottom of the league Livingston) in bottom 6 games - 5 assists in bottom 6 games (2 against Hibs!!). He never played Hearts or Rangers - played 52 mins against Celtic.

MWHIBBIES
30-07-2024, 09:17 PM
It is always interesting how much credit our competitors get for everything.

Indeed. Most likely they'll be just as crap as they always are. Cold day in hell before I'm worried about the likes of Ross County and St Mirren **** sake.

04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 09:19 PM
I think in time he might move infield, but for where he’s at now I think he suits being out wide (from the first team games to date)

Seems to be able to influence it more by getting more space to get on the ball at run at players. Also provides a real goal threat and has a really good cross.

Unless you’re about to give an update saying Bowie is signing and will be left of a front 3 with rudi behind the striker 👀
Actually no update won't see the boy I got this info from until Thursday 🤣 and by that point he will have probably signed for someone

LunasBoots
30-07-2024, 09:19 PM
We'd be losing out on a fair few goals and assists as I don't think Rudi ( yet ) or Hoillett would reach the figures Youan hit for us last season though.

Rudi's still young aswell, we had high hopes for Whittaker last season but that all petered out, alot of games for young guys throughout a season.

CapitalGreen
30-07-2024, 09:21 PM
It is always interesting how much credit our competitors get for everything.

Folk on here were certain Dundee Utd would finish above us in 22/23 when they appointed Jack Ross and signed a couple of players they’d heard of. We qualified for Europe while Dun Utd were relegated.

Callum_62
30-07-2024, 09:24 PM
But Youan didn’t play in any bottom 6 games.

Hoilett scored 2 goals (against bottom of the league Livingston) in bottom 6 games - 5 assists in bottom 6 games (2 against Hibs!!). He never played Hearts or Rangers - played 52 mins against Celtic.Pretty sure he was a big threat in the semi final against Celtic - maybe set up the 3rd goal from memory

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cabbageandribs1875
30-07-2024, 09:27 PM
Bournemouth have signed teenage Juventus defender Dean Huijsen on a six-year deal for an initial £12.8m.The fee for the 19-year-old could rise to £15.3m with add-ons, which is payable over five years....

Onion
30-07-2024, 09:29 PM
It is always interesting how much credit our competitors get for everything.

For teams with little to no chance of winning anything, it's the anticipation of what might be, the potential of the unknown that excites fans. New players, even if they turn out to be a bit meh, gives you that. For a few weeks at least, you can dream of better than before. Hibs shedding ballast , retaining failures and filling a few gaps is tough to get excited about. Think that's the point.

CapitalGreen
30-07-2024, 09:30 PM
Pretty sure he was a big threat in the semi final against Celtic - maybe set up the 3rd goal from memory

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Set up the 2nd and 3rd. Would be great to have his delivery if Myko does come back.

superfurryhibby
30-07-2024, 09:33 PM
I really don’t want Elie to leave, really like his threat but just feel it’s something we’d do.

In terms of stats last season in the league

Youan
Games - 31
Goals - 4
Assists - 8

Hoilett
Games - 13
Goals - 2
Assists - 7

Youan scored five league goals last season.

04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 09:36 PM
Bournemouth have signed teenage Juventus defender Dean Huijsen on a six-year deal for an initial £12.8m.The fee for the 19-year-old could rise to £15.3m with add-ons, which is payable over five years....

They are very well covered at CB, could see that Hill boy that Hearts had on loan a few seasons back being shipped out.

GreenCastle
30-07-2024, 09:38 PM
I was a big Myko fan - think he was really suited for Hibs and Scottish football. Scored some great goals and settled pretty quickly.

But the most he has played for anyone in last 4 years is 15 games at Hibs.

In an ideal world he is fully fit plays lots of games and does well for the season but that would mean playing more games.

GreenCastle
30-07-2024, 09:44 PM
They are very well covered at CB, could see that Hill boy that Hearts had on loan a few seasons back being shipped out.

If he goes on loan it will be Championship team - not Scottish

04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 09:46 PM
If he goes on loan it will be Championship team - not Scottish

Sorry wasn't suggesting he'd be coming up to Scotland, probably top end Championship easily, looked decent at Bournemouth.

007
30-07-2024, 09:53 PM
For teams with little to no chance of winning anything, it's the anticipation of what might be, the potential of the unknown that excites fans. New players, even if they turn out to be a bit meh, gives you that. For a few weeks at least, you can dream of better than before. Hibs shedding ballast , retaining failures and filling a few gaps is tough to get excited about. Think that's the point.

I'd rather we did everything we can to sign the players the club wants than just sign some players, that are more likely to be a bit meh, for the sake of getting players in a few weeks quicker because other teams have signed more players than we have.

CentreForward
30-07-2024, 09:55 PM
Bournemouth have signed teenage Juventus defender Dean Huijsen on a six-year deal for an initial £12.8m.The fee for the 19-year-old could rise to £15.3m with add-ons, which is payable over five years....He should slot in nicely in our defence on Sunday !

04Sauzee
30-07-2024, 10:03 PM
🔴🆕According to a report, La Liga side Espanyol have had a first bid for last term's 26-goal Dons striker Miovski knocked back - because the Reds want £6.5m for the North Macedonia international

McGruber
30-07-2024, 10:21 PM
I'd rather we did everything we can to sign the players the club wants than just sign some players, that are more likely to be a bit meh, for the sake of getting players in a few weeks quicker because other teams have signed more players than we have.You wonder though, surely the better the budget the better options we have. The more season tickets sold, the better the budget. Some good earlier signings enticing people to buy season tickets. I don't know what season ticket sales have been like but imagine there would have been some mention of milestones like they normally put out if they were going well

JohnM1875
30-07-2024, 10:23 PM
🔴🆕According to a report, La Liga side Espanyol have had a first bid for last term's 26-goal Dons striker Miovski knocked back - because the Reds want £6.5m for the North Macedonia international

Really hope they get nowhere near that.

EGL2000
30-07-2024, 10:27 PM
Really hope they get nowhere near that.

I actually think they will hold pretty firm for that. As much as it sucks for us good on them. Scottish teams need to stop their top talent going so cheap.

I think that price is fair. Good age, length on contract and proven he can score goals in Scotland and at a higher level in Europe. Also a full international.

Alex Trager
30-07-2024, 10:30 PM
Bournemouth have signed teenage Juventus defender Dean Huijsen on a six-year deal for an initial £12.8m.The fee for the 19-year-old could rise to £15.3m with add-ons, which is payable over five years....

Mental to think a player has went from the likes of Juventus to Bournemouth.

Completely bat **** crazy tbh.

Money talks, of course, I understand that. Juventus to Bournemouth though.

CentreForward
30-07-2024, 10:40 PM
Mental to think a player has went from the likes of Juventus to Bournemouth. Completely bat **** crazy tbh. Money talks, of course, I understand that. Juventus to Bournemouth though.Remember we had a player not that long ago who had been at Juventus. Can’t remember who, think might have been Slivka.

007
30-07-2024, 10:52 PM
You wonder though, surely the better the budget the better options we have. The more season tickets sold, the better the budget. Some good earlier signings enticing people to buy season tickets. I don't know what season ticket sales have been like but imagine there would have been some mention of milestones like they normally put out if they were going well

I daresay good early signings might help a little bit with ST sales but I'd be surprised if it would improve the budget much, if at all. Do we know if that's how it works? Some of this seasons budget is set according to how ST are sold?

Do you think the club doesn't try to sign what they believe are the best players they can, within our budget, as quickly as they can? There can be numerous reasons why a transfer can take time, a lot of which are outwith the club's control.

Donegal Hibby
30-07-2024, 10:54 PM
I actually think they will hold pretty firm for that. As much as it sucks for us good on them. Scottish teams need to stop their top talent going so cheap.

I think that price is fair. Good age, length on contract and proven he can score goals in Scotland and at a higher level in Europe. Also a full international.

Which is why I think a winger scoring and assisting as much as Youan did last year doesn't make 3 mill a unfair price either .

Albert Kidd 86’
31-07-2024, 05:27 AM
https://youtu.be/Yf5wGnhZAtw?si=VjF9Su4NsdfEKXj1I’d take some more of thisGogic was thrown off like a ragdoll! Big mike would be a great signing, I was upset to see him leave in the first place. Kukharevych, Vente, molotnikov, boyle and youan would give the opposition the fear I reckon.

badabing67
31-07-2024, 06:19 AM
Gogic was thrown off like a ragdoll! Big mike would be a great signing, I was upset to see him leave in the first place. Kukharevych, Vente, molotnikov, boyle and youan would give the opposition the fear I reckon.Even if we could only get 1/2 a season out of him he would still be an asset I think.

McGruber
31-07-2024, 06:35 AM
I daresay good early signings might help a little bit with ST sales but I'd be surprised if it would improve the budget much, if at all. Do we know if that's how it works? Some of this seasons budget is set according to how ST are sold? Do you think the club doesn't try to sign what they believe are the best players they can, within our budget, as quickly as they can? There can be numerous reasons why a transfer can take time, a lot of which are outwith the club's control.I do think they are trying obviously, the question is how good are they at it. The other teams are doing the exact same. Proof will be in the pudding, as example, Motherwell signed a striker - will he do better than who we end up with? If so, their recruitment team did a better job and faster than ours as no doubt we could have competed with them. I remember we needed a centre half as priority and took the entirety of a window (multiple) to land on Rocky. Hearts weren't in that market at the time but think Souttar picked up an injury - they then picked up Kent in the same week who was their player of the season behind Shankland. We just need to get a move on, season starts in days

Since452
31-07-2024, 07:41 AM
As long as it's not Lee Johnson I don't care! I see he's in the press today touting himself for a return to management.The guy that led us to Europe in his only full season in charge after taking over from Maloney? Don't want him back either but we've had far, far worse.

Unseen work
31-07-2024, 07:44 AM
Gogic was thrown off like a ragdoll! Big mike would be a great signing, I was upset to see him leave in the first place. Kukharevych, Vente, molotnikov, boyle and youan would give the opposition the fear I reckon.

Funny how 2 seasons ago had those options but Nisbet instead of Vente!

I think the big difference this year (hopefully) will us being a lot better defensively. If we can have a real solid base it gives us a much better chance of doing well in the league and cups

NorthNorfolkHFC
31-07-2024, 07:45 AM
Funny how 2 seasons ago had those options but Nisbet instead of Vente!

I think the big difference this year (hopefully) will us being a lot better defensively. If we can have a real solid base it gives us a much better chance of doing well in the league and cups

Still the same excellent midfield as well.


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Greenworld
31-07-2024, 07:59 AM
Still the same excellent midfield as well.


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andrew70
31-07-2024, 08:03 AM
Isn't funny or not every manager seems to ignore the midfield

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It’s a neglect of duty

Callum_62
31-07-2024, 08:05 AM
Isn't funny or not every manager seems to ignore the midfield

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Tyler Durden
31-07-2024, 08:05 AM
I do think they are trying obviously, the question is how good are they at it. The other teams are doing the exact same. Proof will be in the pudding, as example, Motherwell signed a striker - will he do better than who we end up with? If so, their recruitment team did a better job and faster than ours as no doubt we could have competed with them. I remember we needed a centre half as priority and took the entirety of a window (multiple) to land on Rocky. Hearts weren't in that market at the time but think Souttar picked up an injury - they then picked up Kent in the same week who was their player of the season behind Shankland. We just need to get a move on, season starts in days

This is another example of slagging Hibs and giving other teams credit for stuff that didn’t happen…

Souttar left Hearts in summer 2022. They spent a season losing goals from crosses and free kicks.

A year later in summer 2023 (bit longer than same week eh?) Hearts signed Kent.

flash
31-07-2024, 08:07 AM
Isn't funny or not every manager seems to ignore the midfield

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If they all ignore the midfield why do we have about 7 central ones?

bingo70
31-07-2024, 08:09 AM
Isn't funny or not every manager seems to ignore the midfield

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Not really, including last summer we have signed Marcondes, NMW, Amos and Levitt amongst others I’m sure I’m forgetting about.

It’s never been ignored, we’ve just not done a good enough job of bringing the right players in and that’s left us with far too many midfielders on our books now.

SHODAN
31-07-2024, 08:09 AM
Will today be the day of The Signing

Unseen work
31-07-2024, 08:11 AM
It’s a neglect of duty

None of them neglect it though. We’ve actually signed some not bad ones on paper too. It’s getting the balance right now and getting the best out of them

January 2024 - Marcondes, Amos and NMW. Could say Triantis too

Sumer 2023 - Dylan Levitt

January 2023 - Jimmy Jeggo. CJ Egan Riley to a certain extent too.

Summer 2022 - Nohan Kenneh, Ewan Henderson

Greenworld
31-07-2024, 08:11 AM
If they all ignore the midfield why do we have about 7 central ones?Yup I guess it's been addressed that nothing Hibs can do till next season when contracts end on mass

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Jones28
31-07-2024, 08:11 AM
Will today be the day of The Signing

Heard we are in for French striker Stan Le'Hotel.

flash
31-07-2024, 08:13 AM
Yup I guess it's been addressed that nothing Hibs can do till next season when contracts end on mass

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It feels like it's been ignored because the same guys end up back in the team more often than not.

SHODAN
31-07-2024, 08:14 AM
Heard we are in for French striker Stan Le'Hotel.

Ok that's pretty good

Ozyhibby
31-07-2024, 08:14 AM
None of them neglect it though. It’s just the standard of signings that’s the issue

January 2024 - Marcondes, Amos and NMW. Could say Triantis too

Sumer 2023 - Dylan Levitt

January 2023 - Jimmy Jeggo. CJ Egan Riley to a certain extent too.

Summer 2022 - Nohan Kenneh, Ewan Henderson

Jeggo and Moriah Welsh are players that helped. Still hopeful that Moriah-Welsh really comes good for us. He has good energy and gets stuck in. Passing needs improving though.
Egan Riley was a decent player.
The rest just haven’t done it for us.


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Unseen work
31-07-2024, 08:17 AM
Jeggo and Moriah Welsh are players that helped. Still hopeful that Moriah-Welsh really comes good for us. He has good energy and gets stuck in. Passing needs improving though.
Egan Riley was a decent player.
The rest just haven’t done it for us.


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Yeah sorry edited the initial post as I agree there are some good players and there and some who done a job.

It’s getting the balance of not only the midfield, but the whole team.

Thankfully Gray seems to be addressing it

flash
31-07-2024, 08:19 AM
Jeggo and Moriah Welsh are players that helped. Still hopeful that Moriah-Welsh really comes good for us. He has good energy and gets stuck in. Passing needs improving though.
Egan Riley was a decent player.
The rest just haven’t done it for us.


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Don't disagree but still hopeful that Amos and Levitt have a bigger part to play but time will tell.

TrinityHFC
31-07-2024, 08:19 AM
It feels like it's been ignored because the same guys end up back in the team more often than not.

Same thing has happened in a lot of positions so it is encouraging our first three signings are for going straight in the team.

Hopefully those that follow also impact the team.

McGruber
31-07-2024, 08:33 AM
This is another example of slagging Hibs and giving other teams credit for stuff that didn’t happen…Souttar left Hearts in summer 2022. They spent a season losing goals from crosses and free kicks.A year later in summer 2023 (bit longer than same week eh?) Hearts signed Kent.No it's not. It's a case of confusing Souttar and Halkett

Betty Boop
31-07-2024, 08:41 AM
Ryan Jack would be a great signing.

Callum_62
31-07-2024, 08:47 AM
Ryan Jack would be a great signing.Isn't he permanently injured?

#Announce Mykola, Jack and 2 new physios

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Tyler Durden
31-07-2024, 08:51 AM
No it's not. It's a case of confusing Souttar and Halkett

It’s still wrong regardless. Hearts didn’t just react to an injury and conjure up Frankie Kent in the same week. They’d been after him all summer and he signed in the final week of July.

Probably a good example of waiting to secure the right targets as much as anything.

Crab apple
31-07-2024, 08:52 AM
The guy that led us to Europe in his only full season in charge after taking over from Maloney? Don't want him back either but we've had far, far worse.

He did indeed lead us back into Europe. For that he deserves some credit. Remind me what the score was in Andorra. As for having worse managers there are a few- Monty, Butcher, Calderwood and Duff Jimmy spring to mind.

tonyrougier123
31-07-2024, 08:55 AM
Ryan Jack would be a great signing.

To keep Jake Doyle Hayes company in treatment room yes 👍🏻.

Surely we are done taking risks like that. He’d command decent wage as well.

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 08:59 AM
Ryan Jack would be a great signing.

I think so too . Though I still can't see us adding a midfielder till maybe 2 or 3 leave.

Jones28
31-07-2024, 09:02 AM
Ok that's pretty good

Praise indeed :greengrin

JohnM1875
31-07-2024, 09:16 AM
Ryan Jack would be a great signing.

Think the fact he’s not found a team yet shows clubs are weary about his injury record.

Definitely a good player, just not sure we can afford to risk it, surely come in as one of the highest earners.

Ronniekirk
31-07-2024, 09:28 AM
Isn't funny or not every manager seems to ignore the midfield Sent from my SM-S928B using TapatalkI think it’s clear that we aren’t able to do the big overhaul of squad this window so the priority had to be defence and forward areas The midfielders are mainly on longer contracts and more difficult to move on So next summer will see that area addressed I assume

Ronniekirk
31-07-2024, 09:30 AM
Will today be the day of The SigningNo

Hibees1973
31-07-2024, 09:30 AM
Seriously you are quite happy??

All our competitors are strengthening

We lost to Kelty hearts and missed out on being a seeded Team in the league cup - now face a trip to Parkhead..

We are going into Sundays first league game with vitrtually the same team that ended last season - in fact we have one striker. What happens if Vente is injured.

We have a huge investment into the club yet none has been spent on what’s most important ie the team.

I’m sorry but I feel more detached from hibs than ever before…
It's all about context. It's not credible to defend Ian Gordon or Kensell for the mess they have left the footballing side of the club. On the surface it appears a disaster which MacKay and Gray have to sort out. Am I happy with the squad,, absolutely not. However, this season is going to be shipping out more of the dross and getting in a couple of replacements. What would give clarity to everyone is if Ian Gordon and Kensell outline the involvement of the Black Knights, if it had changed since February. The support should be advised of this as it would reset expectations.

McGruber
31-07-2024, 09:34 AM
It’s still wrong regardless. Hearts didn’t just react to an injury and conjure up Frankie Kent in the same week. They’d been after him all summer and he signed in the final week of July.Probably a good example of waiting to secure the right targets as much as anything.I've no idea how you know they were after him all summer, will take your word for it. He wasn't quoted being linked to Hearts in any media until about a week before. Kent said it all happened so fast. Maybe you are thinking of Jorge Grant from Peterborough they did pursue all summer. I really don't care either way tbh

Franck Stanton
31-07-2024, 09:42 AM
No

You seem so certain. Is it just a hunch, inside knowledge ?

SHODAN
31-07-2024, 09:44 AM
No

Reported

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 09:45 AM
Maybe Mykola won't be that easy to get with this stating numerous clubs interested in him and questioning will we be able to take all of the' around 23 thousand a month ' Swansea pay him over a full season , says it's their policy .....

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/62697/another-striker-out-sory-kaba-latest-as-time-ticks-on

NorthNorfolkHFC
31-07-2024, 09:48 AM
In order of likelihood to start:

Newell, Campbell, Welsh, Amos, Levitt, Delferiere, McAlister, Kenneh.

In real terms we have three first team players capable of being competitive. Two of those three have been part of poorly underperforming midfield these past seasons. Welsh has up until now been inconsistent but promising, you’d say still a bit raw.

We have one (Amos) who on paper could affect the first team but hasn’t yet and doubts remain about his fitness. Levitt isn’t up to standard for our level and physically is very limited for adult men’s football. Delferiere and Kenneh are awful and McAlister is still on the young side.

I’d say we are very poor in our midfield. Worryingly so and about to expect different results with the same lot.


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04Sauzee
31-07-2024, 09:59 AM
Maybe Mykola won't be that easy to get with this stating numerous clubs interested in him and questioning will we be able to take all of the' around 23 thousand a month ' Swansea pay him over a full season , says it's their policy .....

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/62697/another-striker-out-sory-kaba-latest-as-time-ticks-on

How much per month are we paying some of our higher earners?

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 10:04 AM
How much per month are we paying some of our higher earners?

I'd imagine Boyle is one that's on decent money though would it be as much as what Mykola is on now , I just don't know .

Tambo
31-07-2024, 10:07 AM
Myko would be a decent signing if he was able to stay match fit for most of the season, that's they only concern which many other have.

Was hoping for something before Friday so still time.

H18 SFR
31-07-2024, 10:08 AM
Maybe Mykola won't be that easy to get with this stating numerous clubs interested in him and questioning will we be able to take all of the' around 23 thousand a month ' Swansea pay him over a full season , says it's their policy .....

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/62697/another-striker-out-sory-kaba-latest-as-time-ticks-on

That would likely cost us around £995,000 until the end of the season. Time to move on and find alternatives. You could arguably get three quality players in for that money.

Unseen work
31-07-2024, 10:11 AM
That would likely cost us around £995,000 until the end of the season. Time to move on and find alternatives. You could arguably get three quality players in for that money.

23k a month isn't that amount a year and it’s also not that much money now a days.

About 5.7k a week?

Be struggling to get 3 quality players for that!

Hibernian Verse
31-07-2024, 10:12 AM
That would likely cost us around £995,000 until the end of the season. Time to move on and find alternatives. You could arguably get three quality players in for that money.

Think you need to go back to school haha

Brightside
31-07-2024, 10:13 AM
I'd imagine Boyle is one that's on decent money though would it be as much as what Mykola is on now , I just don't know .

Thats less than 6k a week.. You aren't getting decent players for much less.

04Sauzee
31-07-2024, 10:13 AM
That would likely cost us around £995,000 until the end of the season. Time to move on and find alternatives. You could arguably get three quality players in for that money.

Would it?

Also seems a bizarre policy, pay all the wages or they keep a guy they don't fancy.

brydekirk
31-07-2024, 10:14 AM
Isn't he permanently injured?

#Announce Mykola, Jack and 2 new physios

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H18 SFR
31-07-2024, 10:17 AM
23k a month isnt that much and it’s also not that much money now a days.

About 5.7k a week?

Be struggling to get 3 quality players for that!

You are right. I misread it at £23,000 a week. Certainly doable when you consider I grossly miscalculated.

Ronniekirk
31-07-2024, 10:18 AM
You seem so certain. Is it just a hunch, inside knowledge ?Based on spinning plates comment and long leet comment and Gray continually saying I wanted a forward in weeks ago but it’s not as simple as that It’s hard to work out how the structure is currently working just now We identified the defence needed sorted and moved swiftly to address that Forwards were next and it’s taking ages Will be disappointed if we don’t get one over the line before the weekend .But think we will

H18 SFR
31-07-2024, 10:19 AM
Would it?

Also seems a bizarre policy, pay all the wages or they keep a guy they don't fancy.

Defo not, I miscalculated big time. Surely we can afford £23,000 a month?

Unseen work
31-07-2024, 10:21 AM
Defo not, I miscalculated big time. Surely we can afford £23,000 a month?

I wonder if the club are then thinking do we want to pay that much for a player on loan who also has injury issues.

If we had a permanent deal for him for that amount they might think they could potentially recoup the money later. Or if on loan not wanting to pay the full whack.

They need to think the money in getting into Europe etc though, so if they think he’s that good go get him

Paulie Walnuts
31-07-2024, 10:32 AM
The signing of Kukharevych would be a concern for me tbh.

Signing someone with such obvious injury issues would not only be concerning in terms of leaving us short for much of the season, but I’d also be concerned it was because we’re getting to desperation stage in terms of our targets.

I just don’t see any way that his signing, based on his history, makes any sense. 10 career goals, 1 last season, presumably an hefty outlay and a history of injury issues. It would be a hard pass from me.

SaulGoodman
31-07-2024, 10:41 AM
Got to imagine whoever comes in now (if anyone) won’t be ready for Sunday anyway.

Lago
31-07-2024, 10:43 AM
Maybe Mykola won't be that easy to get with this stating numerous clubs interested in him and questioning will we be able to take all of the' around 23 thousand a month ' Swansea pay him over a full season , says it's their policy .....https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/62697/another-striker-out-sory-kaba-latest-as-time-ticks-onBased on the that there is He Haw chance of him coming to Hibs. A loan, where's the return on investment?

McGruber
31-07-2024, 10:44 AM
Got to imagine whoever comes in now (if anyone) won’t be ready for Sunday anyway.Probably not to start as we'll have been working on the shape of the team this week but hopefully a striker can come in and offer something off the bench - bench was very light on options last week

at last 61
31-07-2024, 10:58 AM
We need a couple of squad players in as well, players like Alf , but not on his wages, players who could come in when we play against so called lesser teams

Paulie Walnuts
31-07-2024, 11:01 AM
Based on the that there is He Haw chance of him coming to Hibs. A loan, where's the return on investment?

I don’t particularly want us to sign him but surely the theory would be that the return on investment would be goals, performances and a higher league placing?

matty_f
31-07-2024, 11:06 AM
Got to imagine whoever comes in now (if anyone) won’t be ready for Sunday anyway.

They shouldn't be far off it unless they've been injured in pre-season. I think clubs have a duty of care to the their players to give them adequate fitness aver training so they should have completed most of a pre-season but maybe lack some first team minutes. We should be looking at a few games until they're ready to play a full 90 but nothing more than that, and they should still able to contribute immediately, I would think.

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 11:14 AM
Based on the that there is He Haw chance of him coming to Hibs. A loan, where's the return on investment?

I missed calculated the amount myself , as other posters have said it's working out about 6 grand or less a week which is doable.

The return on the investment in the loan of Mykola would be if we can keep him fit his goals could very well help us qualify for Europe.

ruthven_raiders
31-07-2024, 11:17 AM
That would likely cost us around £995,000 until the end of the season. Time to move on and find alternatives. You could arguably get three quality players in for that money.

For that money it would be three quality players, but those would be players that are free agents, players on 5k that's 750k a year, any quality would cost a substantial amount on top.....Mykola Kukharevych we would need to pay part of his wages, not the full amount surely.....so it is still achievable...

tamig
31-07-2024, 11:21 AM
Based on the that there is He Haw chance of him coming to Hibs. A loan, where's the return on investment?

You can say that about any loan. The ideal situation is we get a quality player - fit - who will help us into a higher league position and competing in the cups.

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 11:30 AM
The signing of Kukharevych would be a concern for me tbh.

Signing someone with such obvious injury issues would not only be concerning in terms of leaving us short for much of the season, but I’d also be concerned it was because we’re getting to desperation stage in terms of our targets.

I just don’t see any way that his signing, based on his history, makes any sense. 10 career goals, 1 last season, presumably an hefty outlay and a history of injury issues. It would be a hard pass from me.

The injury concerns I understand though when we had the lad Hoppe here , Mykola was clearly streets ahead of him in quality. If we can keep him fit , I think he would score goals for us .

Greenworld
31-07-2024, 11:30 AM
I think it’s clear that we aren’t able to do the big overhaul of squad this window so the priority had to be defence and forward areas The midfielders are mainly on longer contracts and more difficult to move on So next summer will see that area addressed I assumeYes makes sense when you say it like that

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Paulie Walnuts
31-07-2024, 11:41 AM
The injury concerns I understand though when we had the lad Hoppe here , Mykola was clearly streets ahead of him in quality. If we can keep him fit , I think he would score goals for us .

Much like Magennis, it’s not his ability that’s the concern.

In the last two seasons they’ve played an almost identical amount of games.

JohnM1875
31-07-2024, 11:47 AM
Much like Magennis, it’s not his ability that’s the concern.

In the last two seasons they’ve played an almost identical amount of games.

Myko hasn’t been injured for that length of time though. He just hasn’t made the squads. Championship level as well, so a step up.

Since 20/21 season Myko has been out injured for 306 days, Magennis has missed 613 days so not quite the same. Both not great! So I get the concern.

Lago
31-07-2024, 11:48 AM
I don’t particularly want us to sign him but surely the theory would be that the return on investment would be goals, performances and a higher league placing?Yes I agree, my worry is his fitness or lack of history, based on his last period with hibs it was patchy at best.

Lago
31-07-2024, 11:51 AM
You can say that about any loan. The ideal situation is we get a quality player - fit - who will help us into a higher league position and competing in the cups.Agree100%, it's the fit that worries me.

TrinityHFC
31-07-2024, 11:52 AM
Myko hasn’t been injured for that length of time though. He just hasn’t made the squads. Championship level as well, so a step up.

Since 20/21 season Myko has been out injured for 306 days, Magennis has missed 613 days so not quite the same. Both not great! So I get the concern.

Swansea fans seem to think he hasn’t been injured and there are other reasons like appearance payments that mean he hasn’t been played.

easty
31-07-2024, 11:57 AM
Swansea fans seem to think he hasn’t been injured and there are other reasons like appearance payments that mean he hasn’t been played.

Got to assume there’s a Welsh Ben Kensell at fault for that. Too busy watching Gavin & Stacy to do his bloody job.

Paulie Walnuts
31-07-2024, 12:06 PM
Myko hasn’t been injured for that length of time though. He just hasn’t made the squads. Championship level as well, so a step up.

Since 20/21 season Myko has been out injured for 306 days, Magennis has missed 613 days so not quite the same. Both not great! So I get the concern.

If that’s the case then whilst slightly different, I don’t think it particularly negates the point.

I think he’s a half decent player, and if you were getting him with a history of being available for most of the season then I’d be quite happy with him. In reality though, you’re getting a 23 year old striker with 10 career goals and a history of injuries. If we sign him as our main man and he ends up out more often than not then I hope we don’t hear any excuses about how we’ve struggled due to him being injured. We’ll be signing him knowing there’s a real chance of that happening.

Gordy M
31-07-2024, 12:14 PM
If that’s the case then whilst slightly different, I don’t think it particularly negates the point.I think he’s a half decent player, and if you were getting him with a history of being available for most of the season then I’d be quite happy with him. In reality though, you’re getting a 23 year old striker with 10 career goals and a history of injuries. If we sign him as our main man and he ends up out more often than not then I hope we don’t hear any excuses about how we’ve struggled due to him being injured. We’ll be signing him knowing there’s a real chance of that happening.What if he is the best striker available for our budget? Would you take a lesser player because he possibly plays more games......and what if he got injured?

eastmainsmsh
31-07-2024, 12:19 PM
Junior hoilett being linked

King Cosell
31-07-2024, 12:23 PM
Got to assume there’s a Welsh Ben Kensell at fault for that. Too busy watching Gavin & Stacy to do his bloody job.'I've no time for trivialities, I'm off to excavate some coal with Max Boyce.'. Pathetic.

McD
31-07-2024, 12:24 PM
For that money it would be three quality players, but those would be players that are free agents, players on 5k that's 750k a year, any quality would cost a substantial amount on top.....Mykola Kukharevych we would need to pay part of his wages, not the full amount surely.....so it is still achievable...



5k a week is not 750k a year, it’s 260k a year

Carheenlea
31-07-2024, 12:24 PM
97 hours till the League Campaign kicks off.

Becoming less confident of seeing meaningful additions before start of play.

You’d imagine the training ground this week will be centred around the starting line up in mind.

B.H.F.C
31-07-2024, 12:29 PM
97 hours till the League Campaign kicks off.

Becoming less confident of seeing meaningful additions before start of play.

You’d imagine the training ground this week will be centred around the starting line up in mind.

I’m not confident in what we’ll have beyond Sunday, never mind before it. Even looking at the two players linked in the last couple of days, I’m not believing that they’re players we’ve had identified and have just been holding on for to make sure they’re the right quality and all that (not that I think they’re particularly bad players either).

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 12:32 PM
Much like Magennis, it’s not his ability that’s the concern.

In the last two seasons they’ve played an almost identical amount of games.

There's been a fair bit of talk from the Swansea fans that he's not been injured at them all the time and him not being involved is mainly down to the manager not being keen on him .

I think he'd be a good partner for Vente, got to admit the thought of him and Vente upfront is rather exciting imo .

Get the injury concerns though .

Looks like he played two ago so might be ready to at the weekend if we signed him ( 4: 20 in . ) ....

https://youtu.be/DqAcH4Erz08?si=coi9dnG2Rz8ezM7m

Tambo
31-07-2024, 12:39 PM
There's been a fair bit of talk from the Swansea fans that he's not been injured at them all the time and him not being involved is mainly down to the manager not being keen on him .

I think he'd be a good partner for Vente, got to admit the thought of him and Vente upfront is rather exciting imo .

Get the injury concerns though .

Looks like he played two ago so might be ready to at the weekend if we signed him ( 4: 20 in . ) ....

https://youtu.be/DqAcH4Erz08?si=coi9dnG2Rz8ezM7m

Which formation would you want if both on the pitch at the same time? I think it would have to be a 3-5-2 which wouldn't get the best out of Boyle or Rudi/Youan.

Don't see us going for two in the middle again, yes no formation will be set in stone and it's a squad game, I just feel 4-3-3 will be used the most this season.

CapitalGreen
31-07-2024, 12:40 PM
What if he is the best striker available for our budget? Would you take a lesser player because he possibly plays more games......and what if he got injured?

Yes, I’d certainly take a lesser player who is more likely to be available regularly over a player who has only played 5 hours of competitive football in the last 20 months.

Ronniekirk
31-07-2024, 12:44 PM
We also haven’t as far as I am aware taken a player on trial or given a player training facilities while they try and get fit and prove they are worth a contract ,which we have done in previous seasons

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 12:48 PM
Which formation would you want if both on the pitch at the same time? I think it would have to be a 3-5-2 which wouldn't get the best out of Boyle or Rudi/Youan.

Don't see us going for two in the middle again, yes no formation will be set in stone and it's a squad game, I just feel 4-3-3 will be used the most this season.

If we did play both it would be 3-5-2 . I do think him and Vente on paper would be a good partnership , you might be right about the 4-3-3 though Gray has suggested we won't have a set way of playing so i suppose its possible they could .

Paulie Walnuts
31-07-2024, 01:02 PM
What if he is the best striker available for our budget? Would you take a lesser player because he possibly plays more games......and what if he got injured?

Yes, I would. We need players on the pitch for them to make an impact.

GreenCastle
31-07-2024, 01:09 PM
97 hours till the League Campaign kicks off.

Becoming less confident of seeing meaningful additions before start of play.

You’d imagine the training ground this week will be centred around the starting line up in mind.

It’s very obvious what we will line up..

Only question mark is O’Hora (if fit) or Rocky.

Team picks itself as limited options and competition for places.

Hibs3-2
31-07-2024, 01:12 PM
Believe 2 players signed this morning. Announcements soon…

Paul1642
31-07-2024, 01:14 PM
Believe 2 players signed this morning. Announcements soon…

That’s more like it 🙏🏻

JohnM1875
31-07-2024, 01:14 PM
Believe 2 players signed this morning. Announcements soon…

Better announce them sooner rather later I’m at boiling point 😡

Cheers for sharing.

Smartie
31-07-2024, 01:19 PM
Believe 2 players signed this morning. Announcements soon…

You wait all this time and then you get 2 Paatelainens at once?

Typical Hibs...

Unseen work
31-07-2024, 01:22 PM
Believe 2 players signed this morning. Announcements soon…

Interesting

Bowie
Big Mike
Hoilett

No one else really been linked

CapitalGreen
31-07-2024, 01:28 PM
Interesting

Bowie
Big Mike
Hoilett

No one else really been linked

South African guy from Toronto

JohnM1875
31-07-2024, 01:29 PM
Interesting

Bowie
Big Mike
Hoilett

No one else really been linked

Mason Hancock from Airdrie?

Unseen work
31-07-2024, 01:32 PM
South African guy from Toronto

Sorry meant ones that the EEN etc hadn’t played down too.

Forgot about the Mason Hancock rumour. Thought Ben wasn’t allowing that one?🤣

JohnM1875
31-07-2024, 01:33 PM
Sorry meant ones that the EEN etc hadn’t played down too.

Forgot about the Mason Hancock rumour. Thought Ben wasn’t allowing that one?🤣

Haha aye, that definitely was the Hancock chat. Looked good against Aberdeen in the League Cup the other night, so hopefully a deal can be done if the chat we’re interested is true

Donegal Hibby
31-07-2024, 01:50 PM
Haha aye, that definitely was the Hancock chat. Looked good against Aberdeen in the League Cup the other night, so hopefully a deal can be done if the chat we’re interested is true

Only for a half hour.

Cat Stanton
31-07-2024, 01:52 PM
Believe 2 players signed this morning. Announcements soon…

You know this from a good source?

Paul1642
31-07-2024, 01:54 PM
You know this from a good source?

It’s too late now for the answer to be no 😂

TrinityHFC
31-07-2024, 02:06 PM
Believe 2 players signed this morning. Announcements soon…

Aren’t we still waiting on the midfielder who had signed last year?!

Scooter
31-07-2024, 02:23 PM
Cappo is on the thread 🙏

Brightside
31-07-2024, 02:50 PM
5k a week is not 750k a year, it’s 260k a year

If people can’t do p7 arithmetic they should be banned from the internet.

Carheenlea
31-07-2024, 02:51 PM
Encouraging if two signings are imminent.

I’m not anticipating a raft of incomings given the squad contract situation, so any additions should be of good quality and first team ready, and if that numbers 2 or 3 then at least that’s improving things.

Unseen work
31-07-2024, 02:53 PM
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/junior-hoilett-hibs-transfer-chance-29650576