Summer transfer thread 2024/25

[superfurryhibby]

Same goes for any transfer fee we pay tho.


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I should have added the part about add-on's and the probability that Hibs will probably never see the kind of money mentioned for Youan.

But fair point, perhaps we won't be paying up front for our incomers.

[Jones28]

So what's everyone's thoughts on the Youan situation, has gone very quiet and all though I'd would have expected SDG to bring him over to the Netherlands and be involved, one silly tackle could potentially cost him a move.

Does anyone think he will stay? Would be a key player for us for goals and assists.

Would like him to see this season out and see where we are next season.

[McGruber]

Would personally keep Youan on the proviso he's happy enough to stay another year. Think he's a brilliant player, by far our biggest threat and unplayable on his day. Can be frustrating and has faults but the level of flak he got last season was way over the top.

Just want us to have good exciting players. No guarantees we replace him with better. If we sell for 2.5 million we would end up spending about 500K of it on a replacement, if that. Club has made some serious losses and transfer money in never equates to transfer money out - and for our club I'm not suggesting it should either.

Also have a feeling if he did stay he would flourish under Gray and we could sell next season for more

[Aldo]

Would personally keep Youan on the proviso he's happy enough to stay another year. Think he's a brilliant player, by far our biggest threat and unplayable on his day. Can be frustrating and has faults but the level of flak he got last season was way over the top.

Just want us to have good exciting players. No guarantees we replace him with better. If we sell for 2.5 million we would end up spending about 500K of it on a replacement, if that. Club has made some serious losses and transfer money in never equates to transfer money out - and for our club I'm not suggesting it should either.

Also have a feeling if he did stay he would flourish under Gray and we could sell next season for more

I disagree with you on a couple of things.

Youan and others deserved the flak/criticism they got for failing to sometimes do the basics which cost us on numerous occasions last season.

Whilst, as you’ve mentioned, he’d be hard to replace, selling him may allow SDG the finances to bring in better players in other areas and improve the team.

Yes it’s good to have good exciting players but I also want a hardworking, competitive winning team and build a foundation from there.

As for him staying, yes if he wants to stay, works hard I’m all for it but he would then only have a year left on his contract and would think we would get this given this situation.

Heay if SDG wants him to stay then do very it he gets my full backing but likewise if he wants to sell! Balancing act getting team right etc.

[Scooter]

Youan is a weird one. Personally I'd love him to stay his assists and goals numbers speak for themselves. But we would need to play in away the protects the team from his (obvious) failings

[LeithMike]

Youan out for anywhere above £1.5m and McCowan in for up to £750k would improve the team for me.


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[CallumLaidlaw]

Youan out for anywhere above £1.5m and McCowan in for up to £750k would improve the team for me.


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Thank god you’re not in charge of the finances then.


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[04Sauzee]

Youan out for anywhere above £1.5m and McCowan in for up to £750k would improve the team for me.


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What fee did we pay for Youan? It's been said around 750k no idea if that's true or not or if we have to pay anything on any profit we make.

If we sold him for just over £1.5m and paid £750k for McCowan the figures would look a bit ropey.

I actually wonder if there is interest in McCowan they way Gray is talking about Campbell.

[superfurryhibby]

Thank god you’re not in charge of the finances then.


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McCowan is a very good player, one that might potentially transform our midfield. When you consider the rumoured fee for Vente, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of us paying a healthy fee for him.

[CallumLaidlaw]

McCowan is a very good player, one that might potentially transform our midfield. When you consider the rumoured fee for Vente, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of us paying a healthy fee for him.

That part wasn’t my issue with the maths tbh


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[Brightside]

McCowan is a very good player, one that might potentially transform our midfield. When you consider the rumoured fee for Vente, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of us paying a healthy fee for him.

We certainly won’t pay 750k in the final year of contract. And we already have a 2m offer for Youan

[superfurryhibby]

That part wasn’t my issue with the maths tbh


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Youan apparently cost around 500,000k. Media talking about a transfer in excess of 2 million. Even allowing for add on's payable to Youan's former club, surely we would still be making a healthy profit, with a good wedge to spend if he goes?

[LeithMike]

That part wasn’t my issue with the maths tbh


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It’s not a mathematical point. It was a football point. McCowan for Youan and we are instantly a better team in my view.

Yes it would be great if we could get McCowan cheaper and get more for Youan but Hibs have a large margin of appreciation here to get the deals done.

While there are rumours of £2.5m+ for Youan they are just that, rumours. Getting the deal done and getting McCowan in with any excess money for other transfers makes perfect football sense. The more the excess the better but let’s not miss the wood for the trees.


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[Hibernian Verse]

It’s not a mathematical point. It was a football point. McCowan for Youan and we are instantly a better team in my view.

Yes it would be great if we could get McCowan cheaper and get more for Youan but Hibs have a large margin of appreciation here to get the deals done.

While there are rumours of £2.5m+ for Youan they are just that, rumours. Getting the deal done and getting McCowan in with any excess money for other transfers makes perfect football sense. The more the excess the better but let’s not miss the wood for the trees.


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We are now talking as if it’s an either or. If the club has ambition now we should go for McCowan and keep Youan another year.

[superfurryhibby]

We certainly won’t pay 750k in the final year of contract. And we already have a 2m offer for Youan

I never said we would/should, and I agree that 700,000k would be excessive for McCowan. However, a decent fee for Hibs (given he's in the last year of his contract, Dundee must be looking for him to be sold-£400-500k maybe) will surely be one that isn't unattainable for him, especially if we do cash in on Youan?

[LeithMike]

We are now talking as if it’s an either or. If the club has ambition now we should go for McCowan and keep Youan another year.

Fair point. I suspect the player won’t be happy though if he’s denied a move. I’d be taking what we can get and reinvesting it in the team. Yes he has some great individual moments but he also costs the team a lot on the defensive side of the game.


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[Hibees1973]

Cummings is a 100% no from me.

Murray has good recent form in our league and would be a decent fit. But only decent.

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s not a mathematical point. It was a football point. McCowan for Youan and we are instantly a better team in my view.

Yes it would be great if we could get McCowan cheaper and get more for Youan but Hibs have a large margin of appreciation here to get the deals done.

While there are rumours of £2.5m+ for Youan they are just that, rumours. Getting the deal done and getting McCowan in with any excess money for other transfers makes perfect football sense. The more the excess the better but let’s not miss the wood for the trees.


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Anything above 1.5 mil for Youan would be selling him on the cheap , got to be looking for 3 mill for him.

McCowan for Youan and we aren't a better team imo either , both players play in different positions.

[Since90+2]

Anything above 1.5 mil for Youan would be selling him on the cheap , got to be looking for 3 mill for him.

McCowan for Youan and we aren't a better team imo either , both players play in different positions.

Youan is never a 3 million pound player. If someone is silly enough to offer that for him we should bite their hand off.

What did we sign him for? £750k? Do you genuinely think he's 4 times the player than when we signed him?

[superfurryhibby]

Anything above 1.5 mil for Youan would be selling him on the cheap , got to be looking for 3 mill for him.

McCowan for Youan and we aren't a better team imo either , both players play in different positions.


Whilst not a like for like swap in terms of style or position, it's possible that changing the team set up improves it overall?

McCowan would offer exactly what our midfield lacks, goals forward momentum and drive.

In terms of Hibs ambition and considering the point of BK investment, surely we should be able to pick up players like McCowan (not going to the Old Firm, probably not going to be on the radar of Championship sides down south) and retain our own best players?

[04Sauzee]

Youan is never a 3 million pound player. If someone is silly enough to offer that for him we should bite their hand off.

What did we sign him for? £750k? Do you genuinely think he's 4 times the player than when we signed him?

There could be the argument that £750k was potentially less than he was worth at the time .

[Allant1981]

McGowan isn't the same player as youan, unless we replace like for like we will be poorer, not sure where folk get the whole better team if we sell one and buy the other

[Smartie]

Youan is never a 3 million pound player. If someone is silly enough to offer that for him we should bite their hand off.

What did we sign him for? £750k? Do you genuinely think he's 4 times the player than when we signed him?

Absolutely.

If there was a chance to get money for Youan, sign McCowan and still have money left over then we should be all over that.

The spine (deservedly very much criticised over the last couple of seasons) starts to look pretty robust with McCowan in there.

Not questioning for a second that Youan is good on his day - but the temperamental, inconsistent wide player could be sourced more cheaply from the 19yo player on loan market.

[superfurryhibby]

McGowan isn't the same player as youan, unless we replace like for like we will be poorer, not sure where folk get the whole better team if we sell one and buy the other

Change of style, balance of the team, team dynamic?

[Aldo]

McGowan isn't the same player as youan, unless we replace like for like we will be poorer, not sure where folk get the whole better team if we sell one and buy the other

How do you know we will be poorer without Youan?

So we sell Youan and bring in 2/3 players who will improve us as a team and take us forward.

We will never bring in like for like as we are a selling club. Buy for £500 sell for £2 million job done. We buy again and move forward. Well in theory that’s how it should work. We’ve made too many gambles over the last 3 or so years so hopefully we can get it back in the right track.

[Donegal Hibby]

Youan is never a 3 million pound player. If someone is silly enough to offer that for him we should bite their hand off.

What did we sign him for? £750k? Do you genuinely think he's 4 times the player than when we signed him?

If the bid is correct that we didn't accept was 2 mil , rising to 2.5 with add ons then i think the club do value him at 3 mil.

Anything over 1.5mil as suggested , just say 1.6mil would be extremely poor for him considering the amount of goals and assists he had last season.

It's not uncommon for players value to rise , look at O'Reilly at Celtic , they paid 1.5 mil for him and are now looking for 20 mill plus .

[blackpoolhibs]

McGowan isn't the same player as youan, unless we replace like for like we will be poorer, not sure where folk get the whole better team if we sell one and buy the other

Having a solid defence and midfield for me will make us a better unit, even without Youan i'm still convinced we will score goals, and we've not even seen who we will get from Bournmouth yet.

A pragmatic team thats solid from the back through the midfield will do for me this season, we will sign another forward this summer, if we are more solid with the right players signed in defence and midfield, we will do well going forward.

[BlackSheep]

Youan is never a 3 million pound player. If someone is silly enough to offer that for him we should bite their hand off.

What did we sign him for? £750k? Do you genuinely think he's 4 times the player than when we signed him?

A player is only worth what another club is willing to pay…. While we may not see him as a £3M player, cos that’s a lot of money for us, he could well be worth ‘only’ £3M to a club with much higher financial resources, where £3M is a drop in the ocean and worth a punt.

[Cat Stanton]

After the Motherwell game at Fir Park (last before the split), I would have sold Youan there and then. For any amount of money. Twenty quid and some training cones would have been sufficient.

[Since90+2]

If the bid is correct that we didn't accept was 2 mil , rising to 2.5 with add ons then i think the club do value him at 3 mil.

Anything over 1.5mil as suggested , just say 1.6mil would be extremely poor for him considering the amount of goals and assists he had last season.

It's not uncommon for players value to rise , look at O'Reilly at Celtic , they paid 1.5 mil for him and are now looking for 20 mill plus .


Yes but Matt O'Riley has been fantastic for Celtic consistently for 2 seasons now and developed in to a better player and now has Champions League experience.

Youan has been inconsistent and he isn't really any better than he was when he signed.

[Caversham Green]

I want YOuan to stay. The pattern of selling players and not replacing them with a similar level in terms of quality would be my concern.

People need to understand that the mooted fee will not be provided up front. It's not like Youan goes and then we suddenly have 2-3 million in the bank.

If we used the money to sign the likes of Danny Armstrong and Luke McCowan, that would be good business. Somehow, I have the feeling that we wouldn't.

It's also worth pointing out that the amount the selling club actually receives is quite a bit lower than the amount the buying club pays (which is the headline amount). The player and agent get a cut, as do the relevant associations along with solidarity fees to previous clubs etc.

I'm never sure whether VAT is also included in the headline amount, but it shouldn't be.

[GloryGlory]

It's also worth pointing out that the amount the selling club actually receives is quite a bit lower than the amount the buying club pays (which is the headline amount). The player and agent get a cut, as do the relevant associations along with solidarity fees to previous clubs etc.

I'm never sure whether VAT is also included in the headline amount, but it shouldn't be.

One good reason for recycling incoming transfer money into outgoing transfer money is you can offset the VAT! :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Yes but Matt O'Riley has been fantastic for Celtic consistently for 2 seasons now and developed in to a better player and now has Champions League experience.

Youan has been inconsistent and he isn't really any better than he was when he signed.

Most wingers can be inconsistent at times. Though when you have one that's scoring and providing assists the way Youan has then it's only natural is valuation rises after he's had a good season...
https://youtu.be/wbmT6cT7_3U?si=I7etKQDUcYLyHfkj

[04Sauzee]

No Simon Murray in the Ross County squad today, I wonder if he's off somewhere.

[Wheat Hound]

No Simon Murray in the Ross County squad today, I wonder if he's off somewhere.

Few County fans on X suggesting he is Hibs bound...

[Hamish]

Few County fans on X suggesting he is Hibs bound...

No Josh Sims either for RC who Mackay signed.

[Northernhibee]

Few County fans on X suggesting he is Hibs bound...

That would be superb. Having watched most of today’s game I think he’d be transformational up front.

[JohnM1875]

That would be superb. Having watched most of today’s game I think he’d be transformational up front.

Yup, he’ll offer far more than Vente if we’re going to be pressing their defenders.

[Allant1981]

How do you know we will be poorer without Youan?

So we sell Youan and bring in 2/3 players who will improve us as a team and take us forward.

We will never bring in like for like as we are a selling club. Buy for £500 sell for £2 million job done. We buy again and move forward. Well in theory that’s how it should work. We’ve made too many gambles over the last 3 or so years so hopefully we can get it back in the right track.

100% will be weaker if folk want youan gone and replace with McCowan, but as I said in my post, sign a like for like and a couple more and it should be all good

[Aldo]

100% will be weaker if folk want youan gone and replace with McCowan, but as I said in my post, sign a like for like and a couple more and it should be all good

But you don’t know that though do you.
Selling Youan could make us better as a team and allow us to bring in 2/3 really good quality players. We could sign a good quality striker and midfielder and transform the team. We might not but selling him doesn’t necessarily mean we will be weaker.

As for McCowan they are totally different players bringing something different to the team so I’m not sure they can be compared.

[Jones28]

What fee did we pay for Youan? It's been said around 750k no idea if that's true or not or if we have to pay anything on any profit we make.

If we sold him for just over £1.5m and paid £750k for McCowan the figures would look a bit ropey.

I actually wonder if there is interest in McCowan they way Gray is talking about Campbell.

We did not pay £750k for Youan, £300k would be more accurate.

[04Sauzee]

We did not pay £750k for Youan, £300k would be more accurate.

I have no idea, I just put our a figure that seems to have been banded around a lot.

[Since90+2]

We did not pay £750k for Youan, £300k would be more accurate.

If that's true then if we get 3 million as some people want it would be the greatest transfer in our history. The guys ot increased his value by 10 times since we signed him, not even close.

[superfurryhibby]

We did not pay £750k for Youan, £300k would be more accurate.

"The Evening News understands that Hibs have paid St. Gallen in excess of £500,000 to land the former France Under-20 internationalist on a permanent basis, with the belief that they can continue improving the player and help him reach his full potential"

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-sign-elie-youan-on-permanent-deal-contract-length-transfer-fee-what-lee-johnson-said-4138024

[Donegal Hibby]

If that's true then if we get 3 million as some people want it would be the greatest transfer in our history. The guys ot increased his value by 10 times since we signed him, not even close.

I think the some people that's wanting 3 mil for Youan are people at the club tbh .

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/hibs-want-more-money-for-elie-youan-amid-speculation-on-martin-boyles-future-as-transfer-business-ramps-up-4661765

[Aldo]

I think the some people that's wanting 3 mil for Youan are people at the club tbh .

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/hibs-want-more-money-for-elie-youan-amid-speculation-on-martin-boyles-future-as-transfer-business-ramps-up-4661765

Good. We shouldn’t be underselling our players.

[Donegal Hibby]

Good. We shouldn’t be underselling our players.

No , we definitely shouldn't . If Youan was at Parkhead or Ibrox and scored 10 goals and got 11 assists his value would be even higher .

Read today in one of the papers that Gerard is wanting Goldson , Sevco said according to what I read they'd be willing to let him go for 30 mil . 😳

Fair dues to our club for their stance on what they feel our players valuation is .

[Aldo]

No , we definitely shouldn't . If Youan was at Parkhead or Ibrox and scored 10 goals and got 11 assists his value would be even higher .

Read today in one of the papers that Gerard is wanting Goldson , Sevco said according to what I read they'd be willing to let him go for 30 mil . [emoji15]

Fair dues to our club for their stance on what they feel our players valuation is .

A friend of a friend is a Sevco fan and a number of years ago he was adamant that Barisic would be the biggest transfer in Scottish footballing history, beating the fee for Tierney.

Look how that turned out.

[bingo70]

No , we definitely shouldn't . If Youan was at Parkhead or Ibrox and scored 10 goals and got 11 assists his value would be even higher .

Read today in one of the papers that Gerard is wanting Goldson , Sevco said according to what I read they'd be willing to let him go for 30 mil . 😳

Fair dues to our club for their stance on what they feel our players valuation is .

There is a balance to be had though.

If we are being offered £2.5m but we lose the deal because we are holding out for £3m, that’s not deserving of credit for trying to maximise the value of the player, it’s being caught out being by greedy.

£2.5m is more than a fair price for him and if invested in the squad wisely we should be a better team for it. If we’re squabbling over £500k and we lose this whole deal because of it, that’s not good negotiating imo.

[TrinityHFC]

There is a balance to be had though.

If we are being offered £2.5m but we lose the deal because we are holding out for £3m, that’s not deserving of credit for trying to maximise the value of the player, it’s being caught out being by greedy.

£2.5m is more than a fair price for him and if invested in the squad wisely we should be a better team for it. If we’re squabbling over £500k and we lose this whole deal because of it, that’s not good negotiating imo.
If we value him at £3m then £2.5m isn’t a good deal.

I don’t think we need to sell so I don’t see why selling him for under value would be a good thing.

Reinvesting is all well and good but you are also losing the services of a player of that value.

[erin go bragh]

We did not pay £750k for Youan, £300k would be more accurate.

Says who as it was reported the fee was 700k at the time.

[superfurryhibby]

"The Evening News understands that Hibs have paid St. Gallen in excess of £500,000 to land the former France Under-20 internationalist on a permanent basis, with the belief that they can continue improving the player and help him reach his full potential"

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-sign-elie-youan-on-permanent-deal-contract-length-transfer-fee-what-lee-johnson-said-4138024


Says who as it was reported the fee was 700k at the time.

I think the reported £700,000 fee was for Vente.

[bingo70]

If we value him at £3m then £2.5m isn’t a good deal.

I don’t think we need to sell so I don’t see why selling him for under value would be a good thing.

Reinvesting is all well and good but you are also losing the services of a player of that value.

If we value him at £30m, £3m isn’t a good deal.

Our valuation of him needs to be realistic and achievable, we can’t just pluck a figure out of thin air and reject all bids below that imo.

If the club end up getting £3m and I’m wrong then fair enough but I wouldn’t like us to lose out on a deal for him for the sake of haggling over £500k where we’ve already even offered more than a fair price for him imo:

[TrinityHFC]

If we value him at £30m, £3m isn’t a good deal.

Our valuation of him needs to be realistic and achievable, we can’t just pluck a figure out of thin air and reject all bids below that imo.

If the club end up getting £3m and I’m wrong then fair enough but I wouldn’t like us to lose out on a deal for him for the sake of haggling over £500k where we’ve already even offered more than a fair price for him imo:

If we value him at £3m then we value him at £3m. That isn’t plucked out the air any more than £2.5m.

If we are just trying to raise money then selling under value might be acceptable but if I asked you to sell something for £3 that I thought was worth £3 and I was happy keeping then you shouldn’t expect a well done when you come back with £2.50.

[Ship of Hope]

3m + add ons and sell on seems reasonable to me in the current market. 2.5m including add ons seems like letting him go on the cheap. It is looking like SDG has already managed to tighten us up at the back but I still worry where the goals are coming from. We could seriously miss youans goal contributions. Some people are not fans, I personally think he is our most maverick and exciting player. I would happily keep him but if selling would be disappointed if we did not hold out for top dollar.

[Donegal Hibby]

If we value him at £3m then £2.5m isn’t a good deal.

I don’t think we need to sell so I don’t see why selling him for under value would be a good thing.

Reinvesting is all well and good but you are also losing the services of a player of that value.

Maybe I have read into it the wrong way but my take on it is the 2.5 mil offer isn't all upfront as the article says with add ons . So we don't really know what the offer is that's upfront 1.8 , 2.0 mil , who knows .

Though it says the club value the player higher than the 2.5 mill offer . Which would suggest to me two things that the club want more for him and probably more upfront than is being offered.

The 3 mill figure is purely speculation on my part as I think around that would see us accept any bid for him .

One last thing I wonder about is , are St Gallen due a percentage of any fee we receive which maybe another reason we are looking to get as much for him as we can too .

[JohnM1875]

If we value him at £3m then £2.5m isn’t a good deal.

I don’t think we need to sell so I don’t see why selling him for under value would be a good thing.

Reinvesting is all well and good but you are also losing the services of a player of that value.

Completely agree. We need to start holding out for what we think our players are worth.

There's chat of Miovski going for £5m plus. Do folk genuinely think he's that much better than Youan?

I have full faith now we have Malky in overseeing things that we'll get the best deal possible. Though I'm still personally hoping Elie stays.

[marinello59]

If we value him at £3m then we value him at £3m. That isn’t plucked out the air any more than £2.5m.

If we are just trying to raise money then selling under value might be acceptable but if I asked you to sell something for £3 that I thought was worth £3 and I was happy keeping then you shouldn’t expect a well done when you come back with £2.50.

Sureley the £3million figure is just an opening gambit. If i wanted £10k for my car I would value it at £12 k when I was trying to sell it.

[The Harp Awakes]

3m + add ons and sell on seems reasonable to me in the current market. 2.5m including add ons seems like letting him go on the cheap. It is looking like SDG has already managed to tighten us up at the back but I still worry where the goals are coming from. We could seriously miss youans goal contributions. Some people are not fans, I personally think he is our most maverick and exciting player. I would happily keep him but if selling would be disappointed if we did not hold out for top dollar.

Totally agree. Youan has made a big contribution with us as the stats show. I hope we keep him.

[Mcbizz1998]

Cummings is a 100% no from me.

Murray has good recent form in our league and would be a decent fit. But only decent.

we are allowed to sign both! Not sure why signing Cummings would mean no
Murray, or vice versa?!

[Forza Fred]

Completely agree. We need to start holding out for what we think our players are worth.

There's chat of Miovski going for £5m plus. Do folk genuinely think he's that much better than Youan?

I have full faith now we have Malky in overseeing things that we'll get the best deal possible. Though I'm still personally hoping Elie stays.

Hmmm.

At the end of the day we can put any value on Youan we want, but it doesn’t really matter.

His ‘value’ is determined by the buying club.

They will pay what they decide he’s worth to them, or not.

[JohnM1875]

Hmmm.

At the end of the day we can put any value on Youan we want, but it doesn’t really matter.

His ‘value’ is determined by the buying club.

They will pay what they decide he’s worth to them, or not.

As long as the value we put on a player is realistic, and I think our Youan valuation is, then I want us to hold out for it.

[CapitalGreen]

Hmmm.

At the end of the day we can put any value on Youan we want, but it doesn’t really matter.

His ‘value’ is determined by the buying club.

They will pay what they decide he’s worth to them, or not.

No, that would only be his market value. He will also have a value to Hibs which might be completely different to how the market values him.

For example if it would cost more for us to replace him than what clubs are willing to pay for him then his value to us is greater than his market value.

[TrinityHFC]

Sureley the £3million figure is just an opening gambit. If i wanted £10k for my car I would value it at £12 k when I was trying to sell it.

I think what you are doing is valuing it at £10k. The rest is negotiating technique.

[Brightside]

Youan needs to be sold. He doesn’t want to stay so it’s all about getting the best result for all parties.

[flash]

Youan needs to be sold. He doesn’t want to stay so it’s all about getting the best result for all parties.

His limited use in the games so far suggest to me he's probably away.

[JimBHibees]

Youan needs to be sold. He doesn’t want to stay so it’s all about getting the best result for all parties.

Had a fantastic turn late on.

[Forza Fred]

No, that would only be his market value. He will also have a value to Hibs which might be completely different to how the market values him.

For example if it would cost more for us to replace him than what clubs are willing to pay for him then his value to us is greater than his market value.

The market value is what we will get.

Lost count of the number of times when people were selling a house, that they ‘valued’ it at way over what potential buyers were willing to pay.

We could value Youan at £10 million if we want, but we can only get for him what the buyer is willing to pay, not what we want.

[TrinityHFC]

The market value is what we will get.

Lost count of the number of times when people were selling a house, that they ‘valued’ it at way over what potential buyers were willing to pay.

We could value Youan at £10 million if we want, but we can only get for him what the buyer is willing to pay, not what we want.

Only if we have to sell. If the market is only willing to pay £2m and we value at him at £3m then he stays.

[CapitalGreen]

The market value is what we will get.

Lost count of the number of times when people were selling a house, that they ‘valued’ it at way over what potential buyers were willing to pay.

We could value Youan at £10 million if we want, but we can only get for him what the buyer is willing to pay, not what we want.

Only when we sell him and we will only sell him once we receive a bid that we feel is worth more to us than keeping him would.

[Forza Fred]

Only if we have to sell. If the market is only willing to pay £2m and we value at him at £3m then he stays.

Yep, that’s an option.


Historically, we as fans also lose sight of a bit of reality when we consider selling players.

I remember when Jason Cummings was about to leave and a few posts saying if we didn’t get £2m for him it would be akin to robbery!

In the end we got £500,000 for him from Notts Forest!

[Springbank]

Change of style, balance of the team, team dynamic?

My thoughts too

This isn't about Elie btw (who I like a lot)

But the balance of the team was all wrong last year

90sec to go v Motherwell & we are 1 up and in the top 6.

But our midfield conspired to give the ball back cheaply to Motherwell, then we give away soft set piece and the goal that made us a bottom 6 team.

We almost gave well a second 15sec later after our kick off

That's not about Elie But it's to say why the guys we are signing are making a difference (on early evidence) and why a mccowan (funded by player sales) makes similar sense

Or do we just rinse & repeat?

[Since452]

Completely agree. We need to start holding out for what we think our players are worth.

There's chat of Miovski going for £5m plus. Do folk genuinely think he's that much better than Youan?

I have full faith now we have Malky in overseeing things that we'll get the best deal possible. Though I'm still personally hoping Elie stays.

Even with green tinted specs on, Youan isn't even close to Miovski.

[hibee-boys]

Even with green tinted specs on, Youan isn't even close to Miovski.

2 very different footballers. However, I’d expect a club to play less for Youan.

[Since90+2]

Yep, that’s an option.


Historically, we as fans also lose sight of a bit of reality when we consider selling players.

I remember when Jason Cummings was about to leave and a few posts saying if we didn’t get £2m for him it would be akin to robbery!

In the end we got £500,000 for him from Notts Forest!

Was that not because he signed a new contract and that was the release clause?

[Iain G]

Was that not because he signed a new contract and that was the release clause?

Which was a good deal for us!

[Jones28]

Says who as it was reported the fee was 700k at the time.

£300,000-£500,000 were the reported fees.

I was told at the time it was £300,000, Evening News article linked states in excess of£500,000.

Vente is the £700,000 fee we paid last season.

[Smartie]

The fact that he wants away weakens our bargaining position.

He’ll know that too.

It’s hard to know what to make of Hibs’ valuations these days - I reckon they inflate them, piling in all the possible add ins to give us the fans the impression that we’re more big time than we really are.

Youan had a moderately decent season last season but I honestly think that to progress, we’re going to need to be looking for much better and much more consistent from our best players than we’d ever get from him.

[Iain G]

The fact that he wants away weakens our bargaining position.

He’ll know that too.

It’s hard to know what to make of Hibs’ valuations these days - I reckon they inflate them, piling in all the possible add ins to give us the fans the impression that we’re more big time than we really are.

Youan had a moderately decent season last season but I honestly think that to progress, we’re going to need to be looking for much better and much more consistent from our best players than we’d ever get from him.

We still need that maverick element to the team, someone who can pull something out of nothing, we don't have that once Elli departs and it will need to be replaced somehow.

[andrew70]

Millwall signing Macaulay Longstaff from Notts County.

I wonder about Kevin Nisbet and what he’ll do. I know there was a lot of talk around his attitude at the back end of last season.

He’s a good player but one who is always angling towards his next move. A player Scotland missed in the summer though.

Before anyone says it I am not linking him with a move back I happen to think he’d be a good fit at a club like Middlesbrough though.

Now let’s sign Nisbet 2.0 in Ruari Paton.

[Smartie]

We still need that maverick element to the team, someone who can pull something out of nothing, we don't have that once Elli departs and it will need to be replaced somehow.

Yeah, wouldn’t argue with that at all tbf.

When Youan goes, we will certainly be short of X factor, you could argue that it almost looks a bit too workmanlike and dull.

[1875Sean]

Greg Docherty signs for Charlton, that’s one rumour put to bed

[Lago]

Need a goal scorer pronto.

[Mrimbetween]

Have we made contact with Murray ?? I think he would be a great signing

[PatHead]

Have we made contact with Murray ?? I think he would be a great signing

Yes but Ross County were not being easy to deal with.

[babahibs]

Greg Docherty signs for Charlton, that’s one rumour put to bed

Was never really a rumour I don't think, was just one poster saying he'd like Docherty to sign.

[1875Sean]

Was never really a rumour I don't think, was just one poster saying he'd like Docherty to sign.

Seen it a few times twitter on different Hibs pages

[Sioux]

Seen it a few times twitter on different Hibs pages

Then the rumours must be true if that was your source.:rolleyes:

[1875Sean]

Then the rumours must be true if that was your source.:rolleyes:

Good one

[Donegal Hibby]

Hope we sign a more defense minded LB , already have an attacking one and a target man too.

[Unseen work]

Hope we sign a more defense minded LB , already have an attacking one and a target man too.

Would be delighted with the Ndaba rumours

Hopefully see more incomings now the team is back

[AlbertK86]

Hope we sign a more defense minded LB , already have an attacking one and a target man too.

The boy that was on loan at Kilmarnock may be the more defensive LB / LCB


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[tonyrougier123]

I’ve had a couple reliable folk say Murray to hibs as good as done any ITK confirm on here?

[JohnM1875]

Would be delighted with the Ndaba rumours

Hopefully see more incomings now the team is back

Same, having looked into it a bit more I really hope the Ndaba rumour is true and he signs. We played 352 against PAOK and he’d be perfect when playing that formation.

Gray’s already said he sees Cadden and Obita as LB(LWB) and LW. So Ndaba could play LB with Obita in front of him.

Just a signing that makes so much sense.

[Dmas]

Same, having looked into it a bit more I really hope the Ndaba rumour is true and he signs. We played 352 against PAOK and he’d be perfect when playing that formation.

Gray’s already said he sees Cadden and Obita as LB(LWB) and LW. So Ndaba could play LB with Obita in front of him.

Just a signing that makes so much sense.

Really hope that’s not true obita looked terrible at LW when LJ played Stevenson behind him in his first few games I’d much prefer obita at LB

[JohnM1875]

Really hope that’s not true obita looked terrible at LW when LJ played Stevenson behind him in his first few games I’d much prefer obita at LB

That was under LJ to be fair. But I agree, I think Obita is better at LB.

We’ll no doubt be playing Youan there anyway and if we end up selling him then I’m sure we’ll sign a new LW.

Obita is just an option if we have to change things in game. Like the fluidity Gray is going for.

[Aldo]

That was under LJ to be fair. But I agree, I think Obita is better at LB.

We’ll no doubt be playing Youan there anyway and if we end up selling him then I’m sure we’ll sign a new LW.

Obita is just an option if we have to change things in game. Like the fluidity Gray is going for.


Youan is not responsible or game savvy enough to play LWB. Perfect in a 433 but there is no chance SDG will risk playing him there.

[JohnM1875]

Youan is not responsible or game savvy enough to play LWB. Perfect in a 433 but there is no chance SDG will risk playing him there.

Aw I meant Youan will be playing LW, so we won’t need to worry about Obita playing further up.

Think we’ll only deploy the 352 against the OF and maybe away to Hearts. Can’t see us starting most games with it.

To be honest, even though I’d be chuffed if he does stay, I just think Youan will be sold soon.

[Aldo]

Aw I meant Youan will be playing LW, so we won’t need to worry about Obita playing further up.

Think we’ll only deploy the 352 against the OF and maybe away to Hearts. Can’t see us starting most games with it.

To be honest, even though I’d be chuffed if he does stay, I just think Youan will be sold soon.

Phew! [emoji3]

I agree with your last bit. I think he will be sold and hopefully that’ll allow us to bring in a couple more quality players.

[Dmas]

That was under LJ to be fair. But I agree, I think Obita is better at LB.

We’ll no doubt be playing Youan there anyway and if we end up selling him then I’m sure we’ll sign a new LW.

Obita is just an option if we have to change things in game. Like the fluidity Gray is going for.

Makes sense that panic over 😀

[Hamish]

https://www.tottenhamhotspurnews.com/exclusives/tottenham-and-hiberninan-to-form-club-partnership-after-official-announcement-expert/

[Since452]

https://www.tottenhamhotspurnews.com/exclusives/tottenham-and-hiberninan-to-form-club-partnership-after-official-announcement-expert/

Im not sure if this guy knows about Bill Foley and Bournemouth

[Alex Trager]

https://www.tottenhamhotspurnews.com/exclusives/tottenham-and-hiberninan-to-form-club-partnership-after-official-announcement-expert/

Canny see this happening with BKFC being involved tbh.

[Bridge hibs]

Im not sure if this guy knows about Bill Foley and Bournemouth

Foley doesnt own hibs though, Im sure our owners and majority shareholders the Gordons would have the final say

[MikeyS]

Im not sure if this guy knows about Bill Foley and Bournemouth

I'm going to guess this is just some nerd in his bedroom taking wild guesses cos Montgomery is now working at Spurs.

Along the same lines of when a new manager arrives, fans instantly think that he'll sign 3 or 4 of his old players. Very rarely happens that way. Except at Man United recently of course.

[Mcbizz1998]

I'm going to guess this is just some nerd in his bedroom taking wild guesses cos Montgomery is now working at Spurs.

Along the same lines of when a new manager arrives, fans instantly think that he'll sign 3 or 4 of his old players. Very rarely happens that way. Except at Man United recently of course.

Agree. We sacked Monty and Sergio. Why would them moving to Spurs result in a link up with the club that just sacked them?

[JohnM1875]

Agree. We sacked Monty and Sergio. Why would them moving to Spurs result in a link up with the club that just sacked them?

Aye, have to think it's a load of pish. Though Postecoglou, Montgomery and Sergio will all know about the Scottish game now. Have to think Monty and Sergio will still be mates with folk at the club and SDG. Just can't see it being true.

Appreciate the Hamish sharing though.

[04Sauzee]

I'm going to guess this is just some nerd in his bedroom taking wild guesses cos Montgomery is now working at Spurs.

Along the same lines of when a new manager arrives, fans instantly think that he'll sign 3 or 4 of his old players. Very rarely happens that way. Except at Man United recently of course.

The Spurs version of Matty F 😯🤣

Just Bangers

Only kidding Matty btw

[Largshibby]

Aye, have to think it's a load of pish. Though Postecoglou, Montgomery and Sergio will all know about the Scottish game now. Have to think Monty and Sergio will still be mates with folk at the club and SDG. Just can't see it being true.

Appreciate the Hamish sharing though.
Well they can’t even spell our name correctly so I won’t get my hopes up.

[04Sauzee]

Looking at the CCM fans forum and there seems to be some talk about Jacob Farrell going to Scotland, all because he was seen at international departures at the airport. Football forums all over the world 😀

[Joe6-2]

Well they can’t even spell our name correctly so I won’t get my hopes up.

I did wonder myself..Hiberninan

[HendoDelivered]

I’ve had a couple reliable folk say Murray to hibs as good as done any ITK confirm on here?

Cappoquinboy, where you at?

[Brightside]

Looking at the CCM fans forum and there seems to be some talk about Jacob Farrell going to Scotland, all because he was seen at international departures at the airport. Football forums all over the world 😀

Farrell certainly is looking for a move to Europe.

[04Sauzee]

Farrell certainly is looking for a move to Europe.

I don't doubt he is , he's said as much I think.

Wonder what is happening with Josh Nisbet

[green day]

https://www.tottenhamhotspurnews.com/exclusives/tottenham-and-hiberninan-to-form-club-partnership-after-official-announcement-expert/

Blogger pish

[matty_f]

The Spurs version of Matty F 😯🤣

Just Bangers

Only kidding Matty btw

:faf:

[NC1875]

Looking at the CCM fans forum and there seems to be some talk about Jacob Farrell going to Scotland, all because he was seen at international departures at the airport. Football forums all over the world 😀

Signing for Portsmouth today.

[Allant1981]

Foley doesnt own hibs though, Im sure our owners and majority shareholders the Gordons would have the final say

Not a chance, black knights will tell them what's happening

[superfurryhibby]

Not a chance, black knights will tell them what's happening

Is that

not a chance, black knights will tell them what's happening

or

not a chance black knights will tell them what's happening


Either way, I suspect the majority shareholders still run Hibs.

[Brightside]

Signing for Portsmouth today.

Where are you reading that?

[Allant1981]

Is that

not a chance, black knights will tell them what's happening

or

not a chance black knights will tell them what's happening


Either way, I suspect the majority shareholders still run Hibs.

The black knights will be running the show, there's no way they came in not to be, despite not being the majority shareholders. The club/gordons were clearly wanting them on board, not just to be silent investors

[Rumble de Thump]

The black knights will be running the show, there's no way they came in not to be, despite not being the majority shareholders. The club/gordons were clearly wanting them on board, not just to be silent investors

Black Knight Sports & Entertainment isn't a silent investor or running the club.

[Donegal Hibby]

How many more do we need ( realistically) ?

[we are hibs]

The sun saying Ross county have rejected two bids from Dundee and Hibs for Simon Murray.

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[04Sauzee]

How many more do we need ( realistically) ?

Investors or players 😁

[superfurryhibby]

The black knights will be running the show, there's no way they came in not to be, despite not being the majority shareholders. The club/gordons were clearly wanting them on board, not just to be silent investors

As the second biggest shareholder, with significant investment in the club, no one expects them to be silent investors. That would be a bit strange given their expertise in running football clubs. Not sure why they can't do that in partnership with the majority shareholders though?

[Iain G]

Investors or players 😁

Link ups? Brighton, Bournemouth, Lorient, Auckland Losers, Spurs and maybe add in Real Madrid?

[MikeyS]

Link ups? Brighton, Bournemouth, Lorient, Auckland Losers, Spurs and maybe add in Real Madrid?

Real Madrid don't want anything to do with us after we sold Steven Fletcher to Burnley when they had him under close observations

[Since452]

The sun saying Ross county have rejected two bids from Dundee and Hibs for Simon Murray.

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Hand it in Simon

[Allant1981]

Black Knight Sports & Entertainment isn't a silent investor or running the club.

They will be running the club

[Cabbage-Patch]

The sun saying Ross county have rejected two bids from Dundee and Hibs for Simon Murray.

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I wonder how much we offered and what County want for him.

Surely they aren't looking for more than 300-400k?

[04Sauzee]

I wonder how much we offered and what County want for him.

Surely they aren't looking for more than 300-400k?

If they are I hope we're well on our way to our next target.

[Donegal Hibby]

I wonder how much we offered and what County want for him.

Surely they aren't looking for more than 300-400k?

Time to move on to another player if they are !

[Heisenberg]

I wonder how much we offered and what County want for him.

Surely they aren't looking for more than 300-400k?

I wouldn’t even want us to go as high as 300k.

[Since452]

Murray could be the difference in County staying up this season. Sure that'll be worth more to them than a lowball offer from Hibs or Dundee seeing as he's in the last year of his contract. I'd want Hibs to do the same other way about. I'd love us to sign him but wouldn't pay over the odds. He'd be a fantastic free transfer.

[Rumble de Thump]

They will be running the club

They're not.

[Donegal Hibby]

If they are I hope we're well on our way to our next target.

Both clubs apparently going back in with improved offers , would guess that the first offer was possibly 100k or so .

Guy they are supposedly signing looks not bad , maybe similar to Murray in style..

https://youtu.be/BFB4_48ICQU?si=dIwTyHlWS0xL1QDk

[Wilson]

If they are I hope we're well on our way to our next target.

I don't think we'd be entertaining the idea if they wanted anything like that. If he wasn't last year of contract I doubt we'd be in at all.

I don't think his signing makes or breaks our transfer business. It is opportunistic if anything. A seasoned pro, known to Gray, that brings drive and a lot of Gray's non-negotiables - but only at the right price.

[Shrekko]

Why do folk give the impression that they’re paying for Simon Murray out their own pocket?

I highly doubt he’ll cost a fortune if we do get him and it probably pales into insignificance compared to the money wasted on guys who barely played for us these past few years.

If we get Simon Murray on last seasons form even for a year or 2 he’ll be worth a few hundred measly grand.

[kentao]

Swapping the 150k we are supposed to be getting for Henderson for Simon Murray for a couple of years would appear like a bargain to me.

[Cabbage-Patch]

I wouldn’t even want us to go as high as 300k.

The club will pay what they think he's worth but considering some of the dross we have signed over the last few years I think 250-300k plus add ons would be reasonable

[Sioux]

The club will pay what they think he's worth but considering some of the dross we have signed over the last few years I think 250-300k plus add ons would be reasonable

We'd be lucky to get that for Newell.

[easty]

Why do folk give the impression that they’re paying for Simon Murray out their own pocket?

I highly doubt he’ll cost a fortune if we do get him and it probably pales into insignificance compared to the money wasted on guys who barely played for us these past few years.

If we get Simon Murray on last seasons form even for a year or 2 he’ll be worth a few hundred measly grand.

Yeah, nobody does that.

[Shrekko]

Yeah, nobody does that.

Well I’ll phrase it another way - just for you …

Why does it matter to people what we may or may not pay for a player?

It’s fairly obvious we’ll not do anything stupid with money we don’t have so why is it such a big deal? A lot of people were quite excited when we signed Vemte simply because of the size of the fee… which at the moment isn’t looking like a great deal.

If having a tried and trusted on form striker costs us a few hundred grand - who cares? Making the top 6 will probably gain us much more than that.

[Unseen work]

Well I’ll phrase it another way - just for you …

Why does it matter to people what we may or may not pay for a player?

It’s fairly obvious we’ll not do anything stupid with money we don’t have so why is it such a big deal? A lot of people were quite excited when we signed Vemte simply because of the size of the fee… which at the moment isn’t looking like a great deal.

If having a tried and trusted on form striker costs us a few hundred grand - who cares? Making the top 6 will probably gain us much more than that.

What do you mean why does it matter what was pay for players? Of course it matters.

It’s not just Hibs fans, it’s fans and pundits around the world.

The club don’t have a limitless budget and we as fans know they’ll need to spend it wisely.

If we paid 300/400k for Murray and he turned out to be poor would you not criticise the club as it’s not your money?

I think most would then say it was too old for a 32 year old striker who despite having a good season, had had a pretty average career.

[B.H.F.C]

Well I’ll phrase it another way - just for you …

Why does it matter to people what we may or may not pay for a player?

It’s fairly obvious we’ll not do anything stupid with money we don’t have so why is it such a big deal? A lot of people were quite excited when we signed Vemte simply because of the size of the fee… which at the moment isn’t looking like a great deal.

If having a tried and trusted on form striker costs us a few hundred grand - who cares? Making the top 6 will probably gain us much more than that.

Folk are allowed to express an opinion on whether they think someone is worth spending our cash on.

I’d quite happily take Murray but I don’t think there is anything wrong with discussing whether it would be worthwhile or not. Your Vente example is exactly why folk will raise questions about how we spend IMO.

[Shrekko]

What do you mean why does it matter what was pay for players? Of course it matters.

It’s not just Hibs fans, it’s fans and pundits around the world.

The club don’t have a limitless budget and we as fans know they’ll need to spend it wisely.

If we paid 300/400k for Murray and he turned out to be poor would you not criticise the club as it’s not your money?

I think most would then say it was too old for a 32 year old striker who despite having a good season, had had a pretty average career.

First of all - I don’t think there’s any way it’ll be 300-400k.

Secondly - I think we’ll have wasted many many hundreds of thousands on ‘punts’ that haven’t worked out in recent years. The transfer fee is only part of the overall cost of a player.

It maybe matters but a lot of the time we don’t have a clue who costs what. I can’t see Hibs doing something they don’t think is reasonable value for money . I just don’t get people saying they’d quite like him to sign but not for ‘x’ amount

[CentreForward]

300k or so for a guy who would instantly come in and be our top scorer doesn’t seem to bad to me. Not sure if it would be worth County selling him at that as he would be worth more to them if he helped keep them up!

[Brightside]

Where is 300k coming from? Not a hope in hell Simon Murray would go for 300k at 32 years old.

[easty]

Well I’ll phrase it another way - just for you …

Why does it matter to people what we may or may not pay for a player?

It’s fairly obvious we’ll not do anything stupid with money we don’t have so why is it such a big deal? A lot of people were quite excited when we signed Vemte simply because of the size of the fee… which at the moment isn’t looking like a great deal.

If having a tried and trusted on form striker costs us a few hundred grand - who cares? Making the top 6 will probably gain us much more than that.

Cool...well, just for you. Because this is real life, not Football Manager. Because, we don't run at a profit as it is. Because if we want the team to be successful it's important we use the limited resources we have as well as we can use them. Because, we've wasted money on multiple players over the last few years.

Is that enough? Just for you?

I wasn't excited about Vente because of the fee, I was excited because he'd been banging them in for 2 years. It's the sort of signing we should be making, a guy with his best years ahead of him who scores regularly. I'm not ready to write him off just because he wasn't an instant success in Scotland. He'll not be the first or the last.

Between 17th September and 15th March, Simon Murray played 25 games, scored in 4 of them, 5 goals in total (in that same time, Vente scored in 4 of his games, just for a comparison).

Do you think we'd be understanding as fans if Simon Murray had another run like that? That's more than half of his season. Are we more likely to get the Simon Murray at the start and end of the season than the one in the bulk of it?

It's no my money, but I'd rather we spent Hibs money better than that.

[andrew70]

300k or so for a guy who would instantly come in and be our top scorer doesn’t seem to bad to me. Not sure if it would be worth County selling him at that as he would be worth more to them if he helped keep them up!

As said above it won’t be anywhere near 300k plus RC are close to signing a new striker from Cliftonville.

[Unseen work]

First of all - I don’t think there’s any way it’ll be 300-400k.

Secondly - I think we’ll have wasted many many hundreds of thousands on ‘punts’ that haven’t worked out in recent years. The transfer fee is only part of the overall cost of a player.

It maybe matters but a lot of the time we don’t have a clue who costs what. I can’t see Hibs doing something they don’t think is reasonable value for money . I just don’t get people saying they’d quite like him to sign but not for ‘x’ amount

Neither do I, but that’s what people are getting at.

That they wouldn’t want to pay that for him, but then you’re saying why do they care as it’s not coming out their pocket?🤣

Like you say we’ve wasted alot of money on poor players lately, so the club is under more scrutiny than ever with what they spend and who on

[badabing67]

If they are I hope we're well on our way to our next target.

Ruari Paton

[badabing67]

Both clubs apparently going back in with improved offers , would guess that the first offer was possibly 100k or so .

Guy they are supposedly signing looks not bad , maybe similar to Murray in style..

https://youtu.be/BFB4_48ICQU?si=dIwTyHlWS0xL1QDk


Reminds me of Stokesy

[Shrekko]

Do you think we'd be understanding as fans if Simon Murray had another run like that? That's more than half of his season. Are we more likely to get the Simon Murray at the start and end of the season than the one in the bulk of it?

It's no my money, but I'd rather we spent Hibs money better than that.

Ok - you don’t want us to sign him, and that’s absolutely fine but you’ve put a lot of hypotheticals in play here.

As we’ve seen him recently I feel he’s as sure a thing as we can realistically hope to get.

What you won’t get with this player is him selling anybody short - that’s something I like. For all we had an abundance of forward talent ‘on paper’ last season, what we ended up with in terms of overall output was absolutely shocking. Way too many players who were probably more talented than Murray but with about half his application.

I think he is reaching his peak at quite an advanced age but he would be a huge asset to us to the point that I could really care about a couple of hundred grand.

[Iain G]

I remember the days when £300-£400k would buy you a really good striker...not some bloke who runs around a lot 😁

[supermcginn]

Where is 300k coming from? Not a hope in hell Simon Murray would go for 300k at 32 years old.

You said a few weeks ago there was no point discussing Murray as he didn't want to come back down to Edinburgh, that must be nonsense as we wouldn't bid if he wasn't interested!

[easty]

Ok - you don’t want us to sign him, and that’s absolutely fine but you’ve put a lot of hypotheticals in play here.

As we’ve seen him recently I feel he’s as sure a thing as we can realistically hope to get.

What you won’t get with this player is him selling anybody short - that’s something I like. For all we had an abundance of forward talent ‘on paper’ last season, what we ended up with in terms of overall output was absolutely shocking. Way too many players who were probably more talented than Murray but with about half his application.

I think he is reaching his peak at quite an advanced age but he would be a huge asset to us to the point that I could really care about a couple of hundred grand.

I'd take him, for free or close to free. Don't see him as a regular starter for Hibs.

I don't think I put a lot of hypotheticals in play. I just put in one - what happens if we get the 25 game spell last season where he wasn't doing much?

[Shrekko]

I'd take him, for free or close to free. Don't see him as a regular starter for Hibs.

I don't think I put a lot of hypotheticals in play. I just put in one - what happens if we get the 25 game spell last season where he wasn't doing much?

As I said already - he’ll still be visible and working his socks off.

If his overall body of work is 23 goals in all comps though- nobody will complain about that.

[Iain G]

I'd take him, for free or close to free. Don't see him as a regular starter for Hibs.

I don't think I put a lot of hypotheticals in play. I just put in one - what happens if we get the 25 game spell last season where he wasn't doing much?

We offered £50 in cash, a big case of Rod's Moustachio Wax that's just still in date, a free intro session at any branch of Kensall's Sun Salons, two dozen well fired rolls and a bottle of Crabbies.

Ross County are considering the offer 😁

[J-C]

300k or so for a guy who would instantly come in and be our top scorer doesn’t seem to bad to me. Not sure if it would be worth County selling him at that as he would be worth more to them if he helped keep them up!

Who's to say he'll have another season as good as last, there's no guarantee he'll reproduce that form again, his previous 3 good seasons were in the 2nd Div with Arbroath, 1st Div with Queens Park and the Championship with Dundee United, he had 3 in 16 for County in season 22/23.

[Brooster]

Cool...well, just for you. Because this is real life, not Football Manager. Because, we don't run at a profit as it is. Because if we want the team to be successful it's important we use the limited resources we have as well as we can use them. Because, we've wasted money on multiple players over the last few years.

Is that enough? Just for you?

I wasn't excited about Vente because of the fee, I was excited because he'd been banging them in for 2 years. It's the sort of signing we should be making, a guy with his best years ahead of him who scores regularly. I'm not ready to write him off just because he wasn't an instant success in Scotland. He'll not be the first or the last.

Between 17th September and 15th March, Simon Murray played 25 games, scored in 4 of them, 5 goals in total (in that same time, Vente scored in 4 of his games, just for a comparison).

Do you think we'd be understanding as fans if Simon Murray had another run like that? That's more than half of his season. Are we more likely to get the Simon Murray at the start and end of the season than the one in the bulk of it?

It's no my money, but I'd rather we spent Hibs money better than that.

It's all very well noting goals scored but in terms of assists and over all link up play etc I'd say Murray is a way better player than Vente.

[Bridge hibs]

Who's to say he'll have another season as good as last, there's no guarantee he'll reproduce that form again, his previous 3 good seasons were in the 2nd Div with Arbroath, 1st Div with Queens Park and the Championship with Dundee United, he had 3 in 16 for County in season 22/23.Same could be said with any signing, Vente is a perfect example. Murray puts a lot into a game and if he isnt scoring he is being a pain in the arse unsettling defences and setting up for others

[Callum_62]

Reminds me of StokesySign him up!

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[J-C]

Same could be said with any signing, Vente is a perfect example. Murray puts a lot into a game and if he isnt scoring he is being a pain in the arse unsettling defences and setting up for others

That's not up for question, I was answering the poster who said he'd immediately be our top scorer, his history would suggest that's not guaranteed.

[Trinity Hibee]

I remember the days when £300-£400k would buy you a really good striker...not some bloke who runs around a lot 😁

Is that you Keith (wright)?

[Saint Hibee]

Why are people saying Youan wants to leave? Has he actually said this anywhere or is it just Hibs.net speculation?

[Bridge hibs]

That's not up for question, I was answering the poster who said he'd immediately be our top scorer, his history would suggest that's not guaranteed.I dont think he would either but I think he would contribute and still have a part to play. I want to see more of Vente though and I hope he kicks on

[Iain G]

Is that you Keith (wright)?

No it's Paul 😁

[Cat Stanton]

Reminds me of Stokesy

Is it a video of an Elvis impersonator being assaulted?

[easty]

It's all very well noting goals scored but in terms of assists and over all link up play etc I'd say Murray is a way better player than Vente.


Same could be said with any signing, Vente is a perfect example. Murray puts a lot into a game and if he isnt scoring he is being a pain in the arse unsettling defences and setting up for others

He got 5 assists, one more than Vente. In a lot more games.

[Wilson]

Is it a video of an Elvis impersonator being assaulted?

One can only hope.

[Hibees1973]

Swapping the 150k we are supposed to be getting for Henderson for Simon Murray for a couple of years would appear like a bargain to me.

It would.

Murray is a grafter, strong and robust. I get he plays in a different position but these are all the things Henderson wasn't.

I'm no great fan of Murray, however there is a hint of derision of Ross County in some of the emails I've read and what we should be willing to pay. If we had a forward who scored 23 goals last season would we not demand way more than £150k, even if he was in the last year of his contract.

If Ross County don't get at least £250k for him, they are likely just to hang on to him for the last year of his contract given the value Murray has provided them.

[Bridge hibs]

He got 5 assists, one more than Vente. In a lot more games.

The games/highlights I saw Murray play in he caused defences a lot of bother and forced a few mistakes with his persistence and his energy, watching hibs a lot last season and for a fair chunk of games we were devoid of any of that. Im not saying he would come in and start banging them in, but he would add a bit of urgency to our forward line which has been lacking

[04Sauzee]

Livi sign 20 year old defender Ben Jackson from Brighton on loan. No idea how many signings they have made now.

[JDT]

Both clubs apparently going back in with improved offers , would guess that the first offer was possibly 100k or so .

Guy they are supposedly signing looks not bad , maybe similar to Murray in style..

https://youtu.be/BFB4_48ICQU?si=dIwTyHlWS0xL1QDk

I thought Ross County had that deal all sealed up? I'd be surprised if we managed to nip in ahead of them

[Donegal Hibby]

I thought Ross County had that deal all sealed up? I'd be surprised if we managed to nip in ahead of them

I didn't mean we should as it is apparently near a done deal now .
Ross county also sign a midfielder too...

https://www.rosscountyfootballclub.co.uk/news-items/akil-wright-joins-from-stockport-county

[CentreForward]

Who's to say he'll have another season as good as last, there's no guarantee he'll reproduce that form again, his previous 3 good seasons were in the 2nd Div with Arbroath, 1st Div with Queens Park and the Championship with Dundee United, he had 3 in 16 for County in season 22/23.

I agree that he might not have such a good season but I still think it’s worth risking that he might. Even if he doesn’t score as many goals he is very good at being a general all round pest to opposition defences. Will be happy if he comes in though would certainly hope that we also bring in another striker !

[PatHead]

As I said already - he’ll still be visible and working his socks off.

If his overall body of work is 23 goals in all comps though- nobody will complain about that.

Re your last comment, remember this is Hibs.net

[superfurryhibby]

I dont think he would either but I think he would contribute and still have a part to play. I want to see more of Vente though and I hope he kicks on

Was looking at Vente's stats just now. He was banging them in before coming to Hibs and not just as a one season wonder. I was also noticing that he barely scored in his 38 or so games in the Eredivision, although he was very young and probably not getting that many minutes (he even managed 20 minutes in the Champions League).

If he was to come good this season, it would be like signing a new player :agree:

You have to hope that a change of style and personnel will benefit our most expensive ever player and that he shows himself up to the challenge.

[ruthven_raiders]

I agree that he might not have such a good season but I still think it’s worth risking that he might. Even if he doesn’t score as many goals he is very good at being a general all round pest to opposition defences. Will be happy if he comes in though would certainly hope that we also bring in another striker !

Simon Murray signs i would still hope for a marquee striker signing, but that may depend on youan leaving....

[King Cosell]

Who's to say he'll have another season as good as last, there's no guarantee he'll reproduce that form again, his previous 3 good seasons were in the 2nd Div with Arbroath, 1st Div with Queens Park and the Championship with Dundee United, he had 3 in 16 for County in season 22/23.

Same with the boy Cowan at Dundee. Played a full season with them in 2021/22, when he was 24yo, no clubs were interested in him when they went down, so I'm guessing he was bang average. Championship in 2022/23 and had a great season last year.

[J-C]

I agree that he might not have such a good season but I still think it’s worth risking that he might. Even if he doesn’t score as many goals he is very good at being a general all round pest to opposition defences. Will be happy if he comes in though would certainly hope that we also bring in another striker !

The one good thing about Murray is that Gray seems to be training the players to play a more high press, we've seen that in the little snippets so far, Murray has the energy to harass defences in a high press tactic.

[Stevie Reid]

Was looking at Vente's stats just now. He was banging them in before coming to Hibs and not just as a one season wonder. I was also noticing that he barely scored in his 38 or so games in the Eredivision, although he was very young and probably not getting that many minutes (he even managed 20 minutes in the Champions League).

If he was to come good this season, it would be like signing a new player :agree:

You have to hope that a change of style and personnel will benefit our most expensive ever player and that he shows himself up to the challenge.

I’ve made this point a few times now so won’t labour it, but I posted Vente’s stats for his first season in the SPL vs Shankland’s first for Dundee Utd.

They were the same age going into their first, and their backgrounds were similar in that they’d been prolific in lower leagues to that point.

Both played for teams who didn’t create a lot for them, and finished 8/9th in the league. Their overall goals to appearance stats were practically identical, eight goals each. Shankland scored two more in the league, but played two more games.

I was really excited about Vente at first, and cut him more slack than many, but I can’t deny that he did disappoint me a bit. However I’m still confident there’s a really high scoring player there.

[CentreForward]

Simon Murray signs i would still hope for a marquee striker signing, but that may depend on youan leaving....

Yes would certainly hope for that but as you say may depend on Youan situation.

[CentreForward]

The one good thing about Murray is that Gray seems to be training the players to play a more high press, we've seen that in the little snippets so far, Murray has the energy to harass defences in a high press tactic.


Agree with that and good point about SDG’s high press.

[J-C]

Agree with that and good point about SDG’s high press.

We've all said the 1st thing Gray needed to do was get the players more Hibs minded and get a proper hard working ethic into the team, hopefully the players he brings in will be like that.

[Donegal Hibby]

Had a look at what Dundee fans were saying about Murray if anyone's interested ...

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/34859-dundees-summer-transfer-business-2425/page/179/#comments

[Wilson]

Had a look at what Dundee fans were saying about Murray if anyone's interested ...

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/34859-dundees-summer-transfer-business-2425/page/179/#comments

I'm not interested in what Dundee fans have to say about anything!

[Trinity Hibee]

I'm not interested in what Dundee fans have to say about anything!

Haha very true

[TheGog]

I’ve made this point a few times now so won’t labour it, but I posted Vente’s stats for his first season in the SPL vs Shankland’s first for Dundee Utd.

They were the same age going into their first, and their backgrounds were similar in that they’d been prolific in lower leagues to that point.

Both played for teams who didn’t create a lot for them, and finished 8/9th in the league. Their overall goals to appearance stats were practically identical, eight goals each. Shankland scored two more in the league, but played two more games.

I was really excited about Vente at first, and cut him more slack than many, but I can’t deny that he did disappoint me a bit. However I’m still confident there’s a really high scoring player there.

Feel vente is more better in two up top. Murray would be great foil for him.

We have yet to see the best of Dylan Vente

[bod]

I'm not interested in what Dundee fans have to say about anything!

Unless they’re talking about Albert Kidd :greengrin

[Wilson]

Unless they’re talking about Albert Kidd :greengrin

Ahem..... maybe that... 😀

[Mcbizz1998]

Jason Cummings is in Edinburgh based on his Instagram. Photo of the Cammo Tower put up a few minutes ago.

now that’s a signing I could get behind!!

[BoomtownHibees]

Jason Cummings is in Edinburgh based on his Instagram. Photo of the Cammo Tower put up a few minutes ago.

now that’s a signing I could get behind!!

Saw him down at Porty today

[Donegal Hibby]

I'm not interested in what Dundee fans have to say about anything!

Fair enough.

[Trinity Hibee]

Saw him down at Porty today

Must have got the 26 bus from cammo to porty. Wonder if he popped into Greggs for lunch?

[Kato]

Feel vente is more better in two up top. Murray would be great foil for him.

We have yet to see the best of Dylan VenteAgreed.

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[Dmas]

https://x.com/gludelmdal/status/1810392612878336339?s=46&t=Q9xj1Of6Boq0Mkc1E67TtQ

The ambition is for Theo Sander to go on loan to get playing time, and the 19-year-old FCK keeper has interest from Blackburn Rovers and Hibernian FC. The question is whether these are addresses that can offer him sufficient first-team football

[.Sean.]

Jason Cummings is in Edinburgh based on his Instagram. Photo of the Cammo Tower put up a few minutes ago.

now that’s a signing I could get behind!!
I think he’ll sign for Hearts should be return to play in Scotland, and I’ll be spewing if and when he does.

Just a hunch. Signing for them wouldn’t faze him. I would however love him back at Hibs

[Trinity Hibee]

I think he’ll sign for Hearts should be return to play in Scotland, and I’ll be spewing if and when he does.

Just a hunch. Signing for them wouldn’t faze him. I would however love him back at Hibs

I know he was/is a hearts fan but I can’t see him signing for them/them wanting him

[04Sauzee]

I think he’ll sign for Hearts should be return to play in Scotland, and I’ll be spewing if and when he does.

Just a hunch. Signing for them wouldn’t faze him. I would however love him back at Hibs

Has he been playing recently? Looks like his current team played a couple of days ago and has another game in a few days time? I could be looking at the wrong team all together mind 🤣

[superfurryhibby]

Luke McGowan highlights-two footed (mainly left, but comfortable on his right too), very direct, takes a good free kick and is quick.

https://youtu.be/ZyBGGPWXll4

The player to transform our midfield...well, along with Amos and NMW.

[04Sauzee]

Killie poised to sign Robby McCrorie on a 2 year deal according to one of the red tops.

[Mcbizz1998]

I think he’ll sign for Hearts should be return to play in Scotland, and I’ll be spewing if and when he does.

Just a hunch. Signing for them wouldn’t faze him. I would however love him back at Hibs

I’d be extremely surprised at that tbh. Especially with Gray as manager, it would be fairly unforgivable if we allowed that to happen given his Hibs connections.

[bingo70]

Killie poised to sign Robby McCrorie on a 2 year deal according to one of the red tops.

If that’s to replace Will Dennis I’d say that’s a pretty big downgrade based on what I’ve seen of McRorie.

He seems to have a good reputation though so maybe he’ll be better when he gets a run of games.

[04Sauzee]

If that’s to replace Will Dennis I’d say that’s a pretty big downgrade based on what I’ve seen of McRorie.

He seems to have a good reputation though so maybe he’ll be better when he gets a run of games.

I'm sure it is , Dennis Is likely to go on pre-season tour with Bournemouth so I think Killie didn't want to hang about.

[hhibs]

Where is 300k coming from? Not a hope in hell Simon Murray would go for 300k at 32 years old.

AS you say,£300K is a complerly mad figure,Much as I like the idea of getting Murray paying much above £100k would be plain daft.

[CentreForward]

Luke McGowan highlights-two footed (mainly left, but comfortable on his right too), very direct, takes a good free kick and is quick.

https://youtu.be/ZyBGGPWXll4

The player to transform our midfield...well, along with Amos and NMW.


He certainly looks pretty sensational in that highlights footage. Wasn’t there talk of Celtic being after him? If so then we have no chance. Actually pretty surprised that Hearts haven’t been showing interest in him as well. Let’s hope they don’t!

[Crab apple]

Fair enough.

One of the posters on that forum seemed to think there is a third team in for him and speculates that it could be the ****bos.

[Brunswickbill]

Saw him down at Porty today

Saw him in a mankini having a douk at Joppa.

[Since452]

I think he’ll sign for Hearts should be return to play in Scotland, and I’ll be spewing if and when he does.

Just a hunch. Signing for them wouldn’t faze him. I would however love him back at Hibs

Cummings won't get a move to a Hibs or Hearts now imo. He struggled to get a game for Dundee. He's playing at a far lower level these days.

[JohnM1875]

Cummings won't get a move to a Hibs or Hearts now imo. He struggled to get a game for Dundee. He's playing at a far lower level these days.

That's true. But then he made a move away from Scotland, finally seems to have screwed the nut and won the Australian League, Indian League and Indian Cup scoring plenty goals along the way.

He's also been capped for Australia and played at a World Cup.

Just about to turn 29 as well so good time for a move back here I reckon.

[Dmas]

AS you say,£300K is a complerly mad figure,Much as I like the idea of getting Murray paying much above £100k would be plain daft.

Even close to 100k I’d be turning my nose up at, he’s 32 a year left on his contract and has managed a half decent tally of goals once in his top flight career we already have McKirdy who runs about a lot and doesn’t score I wouldn’t be in a hurry to spend more money on another one.

[Springbank]

Even close to 100k I’d be turning my nose up at, he’s 32 a year left on his contract and has managed a half decent tally of goals once in his top flight career we already have McKirdy who runs about a lot and doesn’t score I wouldn’t be in a hurry to spend more money on another one.

As a defender, please let me face Harry McKirdy every day & not a,Simon Murray

[KeithTheHibby]

That's true. But then he made a move away from Scotland, finally seems to have screwed the nut and won the Australian League, Indian League and Indian Cup scoring plenty goals along the way.

He's also been capped for Australia and played at a World Cup.

Just about to turn 29 as well so good time for a move back here I reckon.


He’s fallen out of favour with the national side, perhaps down to the standard of league he’s playing in now? He’s a natural goal scorer, no doubt about that and could be worth a years deal however I’m sure the club will know if he’s worth speaking to.

[jakeshibs]

Slightly concerned as thought we would add a couple more players in midfield and upfront before the season started. i like the fact that we are concentrating on the defence but are there any rumours of any other signings ?? or is that us done?

[JohnM1875]

Even close to 100k I’d be turning my nose up at, he’s 32 a year left on his contract and has managed a half decent tally of goals once in his top flight career we already have McKirdy who runs about a lot and doesn’t score I wouldn’t be in a hurry to spend more money on another one.

Think I'm in the same boat. He had a cracker of a season last season. But its his only impressive stint in the top flight. He’s always been full of energy and had an incredible work rate, yet was still let go by us years ago deemed not good enough.

I'd quite like us to sign him cause I think he’ll add to the squad, but I'd hate for us to pay over the odds for a player approaching the later stages of their career.

[easty]

Slightly concerned as thought we would add a couple more players in midfield and upfront before the season started. i like the fact that we are concentrating on the defence but are there any rumours of any other signings ?? or is that us done?

We’re obviously not done.

[Forza Fred]

He’s fallen out of favour with the national side, perhaps down to the standard of league he’s playing in now? He’s a natural goal scorer, no doubt about that and could be worth a years deal however I’m sure the club will know if he’s worth speaking to.

He’s on fantastic money in India and still has a year on his contract to run.

I can’t see JC leaving early…certainly not to return to Scotland.

[Forza Fred]

We’re obviously not done.

I still harbour hopes of a Nisbet/Farrell announcement.

[NC1875]

I still harbour hopes of a Nisbet/Farrell announcement.

From what I’ve been told. Farrell is signing for Portsmouth. Was there yesterday

[JohnM1875]

He’s on fantastic money in India and still has a year on his contract to run.

I can’t see JC leaving early…certainly not to return to Scotland.

Apparently contact was made and was likely to happen when Montgomery was here, not sure if Montgomery sacking will have changed things for both sides. Can't remember the poster who said so

[Niffy]

I still harbour hopes of a Nisbet/Farrell announcement.

How old is Davey Farrell now ?

[McGruber]

Think I'm in the same boat. He had a cracker of a season last season. But its his only impressive stint in the top flight. He’s always been full of energy and had an incredible work rate, yet was still let go by us years ago deemed not good enough.

I'd quite like us to sign him cause I think he’ll add to the squad, but I'd hate for us to pay over the odds for a player approaching the later stages of their career.

This is where I am. Liked the initial idea when it seemed we could pick him up on a free. Not sure about paying a fee for Simon Murray at 32 on the back of him having a purple patch. If we could get him in for something like £100K would still be happy but anything more substantial I'd want us to be using towards a better option

[greenginger]

How old is Davey Farrell now ?

Remember him, he’d get locked up now a days for the tackles he put in. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Luke McGowan highlights-two footed (mainly left, but comfortable on his right too), very direct, takes a good free kick and is quick.

https://youtu.be/ZyBGGPWXll4

The player to transform our midfield...well, along with Amos and NMW.

He certainly looks more fun to watch than what we have in midfield.


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[Ozyhibby]

I’d be extremely surprised at that tbh. Especially with Gray as manager, it would be fairly unforgivable if we allowed that to happen given his Hibs connections.

He’s not good enough for Hibs or Hearts. I doubt he signs for either.


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[Dmas]

As a defender, please let me face Harry McKirdy every day & not a,Simon Murray

McKirdy maybe a poor alternative 😂 however if all we need is a guy putting himself about it can’t be hard to find and we can spend somewhere else, there’s a young guy at Bournemouth scoring bucket loads in the development team bring him up costs us nothing as much chance of him hitting 10 goals as Murray

It shows the level we have dropped to that spending decent money on Simon murrray 8 years after he was deemed not good enough is seen as a good bit business

[flash]

McKirdy maybe a poor alternative 😂 however if all we need is a guy putting himself about it can’t be hard to find and we can spend somewhere else, there’s a young guy at Bournemouth scoring bucket loads in the development team bring him up costs us nothing as much chance of him hitting 10 goals as Murray

It shows the level we have dropped to that spending decent money on Simon murrray 8 years after he was deemed not good enough is seen as a good bit business
What level have we "dropped to" other than the level we spend most of our time at?
The club have spent more than ever before in recent transfer windows regardless of how wisely it was spent.

[Forza Fred]

From what I’ve been told. Farrell is signing for Portsmouth. Was there yesterday

Guess we’ll see soon enough.

I know Portsmouth have taken Sam Silveri on loan from Boro and already have Yengi there too.

Never heard Portsmouth mentioned in regard to Farrell other than in your post….but not dismissing it as intel on Nisbet and Farrell’s destination has been negligible over here.

Expect the next few days will probably provide a bit clarity……I just hope the mob across the city don’t snare either of them.

[Trinity Hibee]

What level have we "dropped to" other than the level we spend most of our time at?
The club have spent more than ever before in recent transfer windows regardless of how wisely it was spent.

It’s been shown time and again that in the SPFL hard work and pressing teams gets you quite far. If you can supplement that with a couple of skilful players you have a good chance of making 3rd. It’s not as difficult as we often make it out to be

[flash]

It’s been shown time and again that in the SPFL hard work and pressing teams gets you quite far. If you can supplement that with a couple of skilful players you have a good chance of making 3rd. It’s not as difficult as we often make it out to be

Couldn't agree more and thankfully it appears SDG thinks that way too.

[easty]

It’s been shown time and again that in the SPFL hard work and pressing teams gets you quite far. If you can supplement that with a couple of skilful players you have a good chance of making 3rd. It’s not as difficult as we often make it out to be

But Ross County came 2nd bottom.

[Callum_62]

It shows the level we have dropped to that spending decent money on Simon murrray 8 years after he was deemed not good enough is seen as a good bit business


Players can also improve over that time period btw


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[Dmas]

What level have we "dropped to" other than the level we spend most of our time at?
The club have spent more than ever before in recent transfer windows regardless of how wisely it was spent.

What the club spending money got to do with anything? I’m not criticising them not spending money I’m saying I think it’s a bad idea spending money on a guy who doesn’t score goals on the back of a purple patch, the level I’m saying we have dropped to is that this is seen as a good bit of business what other point in time would a striker with Murray’s record be acceptable? 98 top flight games 28 goals (14 of them the season gone?)

[Dmas]

Players can also improve over that time period btw


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They absolutely do, how many all action forward type players improve after 32 in comparison to how many start to decline?

[Callum_62]

They absolutely do, how many all action forward type players improve after 32 in comparison to how many start to decline?I agree but if we get a good year or 2 out of him, so what?

Not every player we have needs to be one we can improve and sell

In saying that I'm not one that's overly bothered on Murray tbh - if he's reasonably cheap fine but I wouldn't be going all out to sign him

I can see the merits and also the reservations to him signing

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[Dmas]

I agree but if we get a good year or 2 out of him, so what?

Not every player we have needs to be one we can improve and sell

In saying that I'm not one that's overly bothered on Murray tbh - if he's reasonably cheap fine but I wouldn't be going all out to sign him

I can see the merits and also the reservations to him signing

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The first part is my point mate he’s only managed a good year once in his career how can we think we will get another 2 out him, I’m all for a hard working team and I’m aware it’s a big bonus in this league but we also need a goal scorer

[CapitalGreen]

Guess we’ll see soon enough.

I know Portsmouth have taken Sam Silveri on loan from Boro and already have Yengi there too.

Never heard Portsmouth mentioned in regard to Farrell other than in your post….but not dismissing it as intel on Nisbet and Farrell’s destination has been negligible over here.

Expect the next few days will probably provide a bit clarity……I just hope the mob across the city don’t snare either of them.

Portsmouth have also been trying to sign Aidan O’Neill.

With Penrice, Kingsley and Cochrane, I’d be surprised if Hearts went for Farrell - could see Nisbet interesting them though.

[GreenCastle]

Watched quite a bit of Simon Murray last season.

The guy is in fantastic shape - there is still areas of his game needs work but his attitude was brilliant - he’s a character and will add goals.

The worry with faster players is how their legs are as they get older.

I never wanted Murray to leave but he did. I also heard he was definitely going back to Dundee but seems Hibs have started a bidding war which obviously suits Ross County to get more ££ annoyingly.

Cummings seems to enjoy his time off and maybe isn’t the same athlete as Murray but as we know can finish.

I remember when we had Stokes / Cummings and Keatings and Holt / Commons / Cummings - always felt these strikers had goals in them.

We have an issue right now that Vente isn’t scoring many so we have to bring in a striker who will add a few goals from bench and regularly scoring when they start games. If Youan leaves and Myziane we will become more solid at the back but we will struggle to break teams down without a finisher and a creative midfielder.

[we are hibs]

Killie rejected two bids from Bolton for Danny Armstrong of around 400k

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[easty]

Killie rejected two bids from Bolton for Danny Armstrong of around 400k

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I wonder how much they’re looking for? Around £500-600k would be a great signing.

[IanM]

Josh Nisbet leaves CCM at the end of his contract.. if we’re not going to pay a fee for anyone, no brainer

[Hibernian Verse]

I wonder how much they’re looking for? Around £500-600k would be a great signing.

At that price we should be getting involved IMO.

[SickBoy32]

I wonder how much they’re looking for? Around £500-600k would be a great signing.

Absolutely. Take what we can get for Youan and bring Armstrong in 👍

[Since452]

McKirdy maybe a poor alternative �� however if all we need is a guy putting himself about it can’t be hard to find and we can spend somewhere else, there’s a young guy at Bournemouth scoring bucket loads in the development team bring him up costs us nothing as much chance of him hitting 10 goals as Murray

It shows the level we have dropped to that spending decent money on Simon murrray 8 years after he was deemed not good enough is seen as a good bit business

Could argue that letting him go was a poor decision and whoever deemed him not good enough was wrong.

[Iain G]

The prospect of Cummings and Murray up front is rather terrifying, that's a preparation for a year in the championship front line if ever I saw one 😁

[chippy]

At that price we should be getting involved IMO.

My guess 750k gets him

[Donegal Hibby]

Absolutely. Take what we can get for Youan and bring Armstrong in 👍

Does Armstrong normally play on the left wing ?