Summer transfer thread 2024/25

[jeffers]

I’d move Newell before Campbell.

So would I, though I wouldn’t lose sleep over losing either.

[Coco Bryce]

I’d move Newell before Campbell.

I'd move Campbell before JDH 🤣

[Tyler Durden]

Newell is probably better right now, but Campbell is nearly seven years younger and is actually a central midfielder.

Campbell is not gonna improve now - this is it

[JohnM1875]

Campbell is not gonna improve now - this is itHe's 24! Of course he's going to improve.

[Tyler Durden]

He's 24! Of course he's going to improve.

He’s played around 100 games in the last 3 seasons. He’s not gonna suddenly develop a weight of pass or the ability to take the ball in tight spaces. He could have a decent career at a bottom 4 team or a league down.

He’s not going to be good enough to play as a 10 for Hibs. He’s the same player he was under Lee Johnson.

[hibee-boys]

He's 24! Of course he's going to improve.

He’s been a professional footballer for how long now? You’d think he’d have been able to master the basics by now. Great engine and heart but dreadful footballer.

[Callum_62]

He’s played around 100 games in the last 3 seasons. He’s not gonna suddenly develop a weight of pass or the ability to take the ball in tight spaces. He could have a decent career at a bottom 4 team or a league down.

He’s not going to be good enough to play as a 10 for Hibs. He’s the same player he was under Lee Johnson.How was Luke McCowan doing at 24? [emoji6]

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[Tyler Durden]

How was Luke McCowan doing at 24? [emoji6]

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No idea - I’m discussing Josh Campbell. Do you think we should keep playing Campbell for another 3 years and see how he progresses?

[JohnM1875]

He’s played around 100 games in the last 3 seasons. He’s not gonna suddenly develop a weight of pass or the ability to take the ball in tight spaces. He could have a decent career at a bottom 4 team or a league down. He’s not going to be good enough to play as a 10 for Hibs. He’s the same player he was under Lee Johnson.
He’s been a professional footballer for how long now? You’d think he’d have been able to master the basics by now. Great engine and heart but dreadful footballer.I'm not saying he's going to develop into a world beater, but to suggest he's not going to improve is honestly mental. He's improved during his time with us and will continue to do so. I'm not a massive Campbell fan, I like him but I don't think he should start for us if we're trying to be best of the rest. But come on, of course he'll improve.

[truehibernian]

Campbell is not gonna improve now - this is it

Reminds me of Spoony (without DW’s technical ability) in that every coach has played him in a variety of roles and he’s not cemented one natural position which I think DG is trying to remedy.

Moving on Doyle Hayes, Jair, Harbottle, and McKirdy is vital - four players on big wages offering absolutely zero to this team and will continue to offer literally nothing this season.

[Callum_62]

No idea - I’m discussing Josh Campbell. Do you think we should keep playing Campbell for another 3 years and see how he progresses?Depends how the coaching team see him

I don't particularly rate Campbell but the suggestion (not by you) that he can't develop more isn't accurate imo

He does have a knack of bagging goals to be fair to him


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[21sMay]

He’s played around 100 games in the last 3 seasons. He’s not gonna suddenly develop a weight of pass or the ability to take the ball in tight spaces. He could have a decent career at a bottom 4 team or a league down.

He’s not going to be good enough to play as a 10 for Hibs. He’s the same player he was under Lee Johnson.

Very well put.

[percy veer]

Id look to move on Campbell if we can secure McCowan

No chance we will get mcowan now, reminds me when we biddes for Naismith when he was at killie never going to happen token bid keep the fans off their back

[Stuart93]

I’d move Newell before Campbell.

I’d move both if we could

Midfield needs a complete transformation

[Stuart93]

No chance we will get mcowan now, reminds me when we biddes for Naismith when he was at killie never going to happen token bid keep the fans off their back

Na, I think we’ll sign him

[The Tubs]

Depends how the coaching team see him I don't particularly rate Campbell but the suggestion (not by you) that he can't develop more isn't accurate imo He does have a knack of bagging goals to be fair to him Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk I've no idea how Campbells's going to turn out but, for example, Pat McGinlay only started contributing regularly at about 24 too.

[Shrekko]

I’d move Newell before Campbell.

Jesus … I thought I’d read it all on here.

[Unseen work]

Campbell is a handy player to have and I’d be happy to keep him, not always as a starter though.

One thing that annoys me though is he seems to play too many “hit and hope” passes for the position he’s playing. He really likes the one when it’s passed into him and he tries to first time chip it over the top for someone to run on to.

Comes off now and again but I think he needs to be more creative and more composed than that for the position he’s playing.

He also does alot of good that I don’t think gets the credit he deserves

I think St Mirren, Killie and Dundee would all take him and he’d probably look good for them.

[The Tubs]

Campbell is a handy player to have and I’d be happy to keep him, not always as a starter though. One thing that annoys me though is he seems to play too many “hit and hope” passes for the position he’s playing. He really likes the one when it’s passed into him and he tries to first time chip it over the top for someone to run on to. Comes off now and again but I think he needs to be more creative and more composed than that for the position he’s playing. He also does alot of good that I don’t think gets the credit he deserves I think St Mirren, Killie and Dundee would all take him and he’d probably look good for them. Aye. There's still a lack of composure throughout the team.

[Ozyhibby]

No chance we will get mcowan now, reminds me when we biddes for Naismith when he was at killie never going to happen token bid keep the fans off their back

It won’t keep fans off their back though? Only good results will do that.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Newell is probably better right now, but Campbell is nearly seven years younger and is actually a central midfielder. Newell is a much better central midfielder than Campbell. Campbell rarely plays there. Always further forward.

[Earlydelivery]

If we're relying on campbell being our number 10 we're in deep **** .. he's just a poor football player .

[The Modfather]

Campbell won't be on big money and can make an impact on games with his goals and pressing.

There's a lot of players eating up and lot more wages and delivering a lot less.

Beggars can’t be choosers. We’re not flush with offers for our midfielders. Whoever wants any of them, deal!

[Hibernian Verse]

Na, I think we’ll sign him

It's the kind of signing the board NEED to make now for the team, the fans and themselves.

[KeithTheHibby]

I know very little of McGowan - if he signs where does he play? Who’s he replacing? Got to suspect it’s not Newell. NMW? Campbell?

[ThatDayInMay]

Campbell is a handy player to have and I’d be happy to keep him, not always as a starter though.

One thing that annoys me though is he seems to play too many “hit and hope” passes for the position he’s playing. He really likes the one when it’s passed into him and he tries to first time chip it over the top for someone to run on to.

Comes off now and again but I think he needs to be more creative and more composed than that for the position he’s playing.

He also does alot of good that I don’t think gets the credit he deserves

I think St Mirren, Killie and Dundee would all take him and he’d probably look good for them.

Agree entirely. Against STM he had plenty of opportunities to receive the ball on the half turn and drive at their defence. Instead, he opted to remain with his back to goal and play a pass back to Newell/NMW. I like Campbell, he always gives 100% and there is a bit of quality about him but we need a lot more if he’s going to be playing in the 10. He also needs to continue to focus on what he’s good at (relentless pressing and timing of runs into the box). I don’t mind players showing emotion and a bit of passion but the throwing his arms around and the over dramatic stuff does my box in.

I still think Levitt has been missprofiled and he would do a job for us in the 10.

Just my two cents on the matter 😅👍

[hibee1875]

I know very little of McGowan - if he signs where does he play? Who’s he replacing? Got to suspect it’s not Newell. NMW? Campbell?

McCowan. Suspect he’ll replace Campbell and sit in behind the forward line

[Pytheas]

I know very little of McGowan - if he signs where does he play? Who’s he replacing? Got to suspect it’s not Newell. NMW? Campbell?. In that formation he would be better than all of them. He plays box to box for Dundee just now, but he's a creator, started out playing wide left. My hope is we sign a quality Defensive mid that starts every week and Newell and McCowan play in front of him. Campbell, NMW, Levitt and a youngster as squad players, Kenneh JDH and Delferrierre leave.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

. In that formation he would be better than all of them. He plays box to box for Dundee just now, but he's a creator, started out playing wide left. My hope is we sign a quality Defensive mid that starts every week and Newell and McCowan play in front of him. Campbell, NMW, Levitt and a youngster as squad players, Kenneh JDH and Delferrierre leave.

Still got Amos too.

[Trinity Hibee]

McCowan looked decent in the Dundee derby but he’s not going to solve our lack of steel in midfield issue.

[Leitherhibs]

McCowan not keen to leave Dundee, direct quote from him in the DR.

[ChuckNor]

McCowan not keen to leave Dundee, direct quote from him in the DR.

He would say that though.

[04Sauzee]

McCowan not keen to leave Dundee, direct quote from him in the DR.

'I am a Dundee player as it is. There has been nothing that has been put on my plate that is going to make me leave here any time soon. I am the captain here and I need to take responsibility in each game'

[Callum_62]

McCowan not keen to leave Dundee, direct quote from him in the DR."I am a Dundee player as it is. There has been nothing that has been put on my plate that is going to make me leave here any time soon. I am the captain here and I need to take responsibility in each game."

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[JimBHibees]

He’s been a professional footballer for how long now? You’d think he’d have been able to master the basics by now. Great engine and heart but dreadful footballer.

Dreadful footballer ffs

[GreenCastle]

McCowan looked decent in the Dundee derby but he’s not going to solve our lack of steel in midfield issue.

That’s a fair point.

McCowan isn’t exactly Bartley but he’s gets around the pitch well plus decent at set pieces.

If Hibs want to improve the midfield they need a CDM and a serious upgrade of Campbell.

[Heisenberg]

'I am a Dundee player as it is. There has been nothing that has been put on my plate that is going to make me leave here any time soon. I am the captain here and I need to take responsibility in each game'

“As it is” the key part there I think.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Sounds like he’s negotiating. The kind of sound bites his agent feeds to him.

[Mcbizz1998]

That’s a fair point.

McCowan isn’t exactly Bartley but he’s gets around the pitch well plus decent at set pieces.

If Hibs want to improve the midfield they need a CDM and a serious upgrade of Campbell.

Is Hodge not supposed to be the CDM? If we sign him of course.

[superfurryhibby]

That’s a fair point.

McCowan isn’t exactly Bartley but he’s gets around the pitch well plus decent at set pieces.

If Hibs want to improve the midfield they need a CDM and a serious upgrade of Campbell.

Mc Cowan transforms that midfield. “Steel” is a debatable point, Bartley was never that good and wasn’t really a regular starter. Our best midfields in modern times didn’t need an enforcer type.

[RIP]

I honestly can't believe Hibs haven't went for O'Hara at St Mirren. Exactly the type of player we need. I agree that him and McGowan would have us challenging for 3rd or 4th

I don't want to p**s on your parade but why would any players leave a top six SPL side for one that's struggling?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't want to p**s on your parade but why would any players leave a top six SPL side for one in trouble.

Money, possible international recognition.

He’d likely earn more than double here what he would at Dundee.

[Trinity Hibee]

Mc Cowan transforms that midfield. “Steel” is a debatable point, Bartley was never that good and wasn’t really a regular starter. Our best midfields in modern times didn’t need an enforcer type.

That only works if your midfield is high energy which ours isn’t. So we lack energy and aggression currently. McCowan would improve us but it still leave us with others who are pedestrian. One player isn’t going to transform this midfield I’m afraid

[CapitalGreen]

I don't want to p**s on your parade but why would any players leave a top six SPL side for one that'struggling?

Money

[Springbank]

I don't want to p**s on your parade but why would any players leave a top six SPL side for one that's struggling?

Money

Nice city

Better chance of international recognition

[RIP]

Money, possible international recognition.

He’d likely earn more than double here what he would at Dundee.

Aye but there is little contract longevity here, that's the issue. The international recognition disappears post relegation.

They would be risking their careers for some short-term cash.

[Cabbage-Patch]

"I am a Dundee player as it is. There has been nothing that has been put on my plate that is going to make me leave here any time soon. I am the captain here and I need to take responsibility in each game."Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkI can't see us getting McCowan. The board have submitted a bid knowing it will get rejected to appease the fans after Sunday. They will turn round and say Dundee were being unreasonable in their demands. Sad reality is he will see Dundee as a better option for him right now. Another season there as captain and if he plays well he could get a move down south or abroad. Like it or not we are reaping the rewards of years of mismanagement at board room level and a lot of players will see coming to us as a massive career risk despite being able to offer better salaries etc

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aye but there is little contract longevity here, that's the issue. The international recognition disappears post relegation.

They would be risking their careers for some short-term cash.

I mean yes, that’s true, if we get relegated then they’d be unlikely to get international recognition.

As much as we’re crap though, that’s still pretty unlikely and I’d suggest over the next 2 or 3 years, Dundee would be more likely to be relegated than us.

[Iain G]

I can't see us getting McCowan. The board have submitted a bid knowing it will get rejected to appease the fans after Sunday. They will turn round and say Dundee were being unreasonable in their demands. Sad reality is he will see Dundee as a better option for him right now. Another season there as captain and if he plays well he could get a move down south or abroad. Like it or not we are reaping the rewards of years of mismanagement at board room level and a lot of players will see coming to us as a massive career risk despite being able to offer better salaries etc

Are you Steven King?

[h185forever]

It’s funny how we all can see different things in a player. I watched the Dundee derby and while I agree he has an educated left foot and would be an asset, I didn’t feel impressed with his overall contribution ….seemed to wander about a lot not getting as involved as we might need. Would still like him though.

[Callum_62]

I can't see us getting McCowan. The board have submitted a bid knowing it will get rejected to appease the fans after Sunday. etc

In what way does us not signing someone appease the fans?

Don't understand that train of thought at all

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[Heisenberg]

I’m relieved there appears to be an understanding by those in charge that despite having about twenty of them on our books we badly need another couple of midfielders to improve that area of the squad. A proper defensive midfielder and McCowan would be game changing.

[CapitalGreen]

It’s funny how we all can see different things in a player. I watched the Dundee derby and while I agree he has an educated left foot and would be an asset, I didn’t feel impressed with his overall contribution …seemed to wander about a lot not getting as involved as we might need. Would still like him though.

It certainly is.

81 touches v Dundee Utd, 2nd highest in the match.
51 passes - highest of any midfielder/attacker
2 chances created - highest for Dundee, 2nd highest in the match
3 shots - highest for Dundee, 2nd highest in the match

[Callum_62]

A proper defensive midfielder and McCowan would be game changing.

Ben Kensell style game changing? [emoji1787]



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[blackpoolhibs]

I’d move Newell before Campbell.I'm no Newell fan, and both could go for me, but Newell can actually control a football and pass it to a green jersey.Campbell is just a very poor footballer lucky enough to be at Hibs when we have a raft of poor midfielders at the club.

[we are hibs]

Bowie signing a 4 year deal according to Scott Burns.


Big length of contract.

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[CapitalGreen]

Bowie signing a 4 year deal according to Scott Burns.


Big length of contract.


Does Bowie not know that we are going to be relegated?

[supermcginn]

I'm no Newell fan, and both could go for me, but Newell can actually control a football and pass it to a green jersey.Campbell is just a very poor footballer lucky enough to be at Hibs when we have a raft of poor midfielders at the club.Totally agree, I'm no fan of Newell but he is a far better footballer than Campbell, most of the squad are too.

[AlbertK86]

Bowie signing a 4 year deal according to Scott Burns.


Big length of contract.

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Has he mentioned Aberdeen are making a late bid [emoji15][emoji15][emoji16][emoji2957]


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[EGL2000]

I’m relieved there appears to be an understanding by those in charge that despite having about twenty of them on our books we badly need another couple of midfielders to improve that area of the squad. A proper defensive midfielder and McCowan would be game changing.

I was the same l, thought they were just going to go with what we had for another season! I think Levitt and Delf will be away. kenneh is harder to move on as he would command a big wage and hasn't really done anything for a few seasons now so fear he is stuck here currently.

[04Sauzee]

Bowie signing a 4 year deal according to Scott Burns.


Big length of contract.

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Said yesterday If the fee I heard we are paying then it was always going to be 3 years minimum

[04Sauzee]

Bowie YouTube clip

https://youtu.be/iHCTpAfwAog?si=lvQIqNsx1KPjZ_mi

[Since452]

Bowie signing a 4 year deal according to Scott Burns. Big length of contract. Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkScott Burns Exclusive: Aberdeen pip Hibs to the signing of Kieron Bowie

[ChuckNor]

A few incoming either today or over course of week. No surprises.

Edit - told one is actually a bit of a surprise.

[GreenCastle]

Bowie decent - who will drop to bench?

[Greenworld]

Does Bowie not know that we are going to be relegated?Yes that's why he signed 4 years will take a while to get back up

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[Gloucester Hibs]

Bowie decent - who will drop to bench?

Molotnikov I’m guessing. Probably the least deserving too! 🙁

[CL0762]

Bowie decent - who will drop to bench?

Boyle hopefully

[JohnM1875]

Molotnikov I’m guessing. Probably the least deserving too! 🙁

Could let Molotnikov drop into midfield though. I'm sure folk have said that’s his best position.

[BSEJVT]

Boyle is done

If there is any way to get him off the books I would be taking it

[jeffers]

Could let Molotnikov drop into midfield though. I'm sure folk have said that’s his best position.I’d like to see him given a chance there, instead of Campbell.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In what way does us not signing someone appease the fans?

Don't understand that train of thought at all

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Whilst I don’t agree that’s what we’re doing here, in theory it essentially shows we’re trying and we’re willing to spend.

We done it before with Steven Naismith despite the fact we were never getting him. We then leaked it to the press to show we were ‘willing’ to spend big after taking in a load of cash for the golden generation.

[Donegal Hibby]

Molotnikov I’m guessing. Probably the least deserving too! 🙁

Gives us good options though in Bowie can play anywhere across the front 3 , Rudi can drop in for Campbell . Competition's for places is always good .

[B.H.F.C]

Boyle is done

If there is any way to get him off the books I would be taking it

He’s not done. He not the player he was a few years ago but he’ll still get his share of goals and assists. We can’t be relying on him playing every minute of every game though.

[babahibs]

In what way does us not signing someone appease the fans?Don't understand that train of thought at allSent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkIt doesn't.Just completely made up nonsense that's all in his head.

[Alex Trager]

A few incoming either today or over course of week. No surprises.

Edit - told one is actually a bit of a surprise.

Any more info on who that is mate?

Presumably not being discussed in here?

[EGL2000]

Boyle is done

If there is any way to get him off the books I would be taking it

I thought he was really poor on Sunday and his lack of tracking back really p*ssed me off.

[IberianHibernian]

I was the same l, thought they were just going to go with what we had for another season! I think Levitt and Delf will be away. kenneh is harder to move on as he would command a big wage and hasn't really done anything for a few seasons now so fear he is stuck here currently.Did Kenneh not play 30 odd games for us and Ross County in 22-23 and Shrewsbury last season ? Has played a lot for his age .

[.Sean.]

A few incoming either today or over course of week. No surprises.Edit - told one is actually a bit of a surprise.I’ll take a stab in the dark at Ryan Jack in that case

[Alex Trager]

I’ll take a stab in the dark at Ryan Jack in that case

That was what came to my mind.

If he comes in and LM does too, then we are dangerously close to the trio I suggested last night, whilst grandstanding I’d buy the whole board a ST.

‘If we get Allan Campbell, Ryan Jack, and LM I will buy everyone a season ticket, never mind my own’.

Nervous times 😂

[Mcbizz1998]

Don't know much about Bowie but looks like he did really well in League 1 last season and we have beaten a lot of decent clubs to his signature. Good age and played a lot of games for his age, quite pleased with that.

[flash]

That was what came to my mind.

If he comes in and LM does too, then we are dangerously close to the trio I suggested last night, whilst grandstanding I’d buy the whole board a ST.

‘If we get Allan Campbell, Ryan Jack, and LM I will buy everyone a season ticket, never mind my own’.

Nervous times 😂
As I already have my ST I will accept a cash equivalent.

[Alex Trager]

As I already have my ST I will accept a cash equivalent.

Apologies, you’ve missed the boat Flash.

[.Sean.]

That was what came to my mind. If he comes in and LM does too, then we are dangerously close to the trio I suggested last night, whilst grandstanding I’d buy the whole board a ST. ‘If we get Allan Campbell, Ryan Jack, and LM I will buy everyone a season ticket, never mind my own’. Nervous times 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Fortunately for you and unfortunately for the rest of us, Campbell is dreamland stuffDoes however look like McCowan and Hodge are very much on and you’d like to think that’ll make a night and day difference to our non existent midfield

[Alex Trager]

😂😂😂😂😂 Fortunately for you and unfortunately for the rest of us, Campbell is dreamland stuffDoes however look like McCowan and Hodge are very much on and you’d like to think that’ll make a night and day difference to our non existent midfield

He shouldn’t be dreamland stuff, though I agree.

He’s the exact type of signing we would make under Stubbs.

[McD]

That was what came to my mind.

If he comes in and LM does too, then we are dangerously close to the trio I suggested last night, whilst grandstanding I’d buy the whole board a ST.

‘If we get Allan Campbell, Ryan Jack, and LM I will buy everyone a season ticket, never mind my own’.

Nervous times 😂


Would be a tremendous trio, and total revamp of the midfield overnight


So, are you taking requests for where folk want to sit, or is it pot luck? 😂

[flash]

Apologies, you’ve missed the boat Flash.

Story of my life mate.

[Brightside]

You'd think McCowan would replace Newell in midfield. Perhaps LM, Hodge, NMW. Hodge in the 6. Forward areas we have Bowie, Hoillet, Vente, Myko. (still got Boyle, Rudi etc). Thats potentially a huge turnaround in a first 11.

[Smartie]

You'd think McCowan would replace Newell in midfield. Perhaps LM, Hodge, NMW. Hodge in the 6. Forward areas we have Bowie, Hoillet, Vente, Myko. (still got Boyle, Rudi etc). Thats potentially a huge turnaround in a first 11.

If they all end up happening, that’s a huge turnaround.

It also pretty much addresses all the positions that even the most pessimistic of us were suggesting needed addressed prior to this season, 7 or so new starters.

[CapitalGreen]

You'd think McCowan would replace Newell in midfield. Perhaps LM, Hodge, NMW. Hodge in the 6. Forward areas we have Bowie, Hoillet, Vente, Myko. (still got Boyle, Rudi etc). Thats potentially a huge turnaround in a first 11.

Unfortunately I can’t see anyway SDG drops the player he’s just made club captain. Newell has a comfortable gig now until his mid-30s.

[Brightside]

Unfortunately I can’t see anyway SDG drops the player he’s just made club captain. Newell has a comfortable gig now until his mid-30s.

I don't see it. You don't sign LM if you want to continue with Newell. They will just get in each others way.

[Alex Trager]

I don't see it. You don't sign LM if you want to continue with Newell. They will just get in each others way.

It is a weird signing to make in that case though.

The OP has a strong point.

[number9dream]

Bowie and Hoilett beef up our attack, so will we try to offload two from Vente, Boyle & Youan?
R Jack and A Campbell are interesting options. They must have had a few offers by now. Do we go there if we can’t get Hodge?
Last gasp exits and loans for our collection of midfield undesirables…
I fear McCowan will sit tight at Dundee then move for free next summer. A late wildcard from Bournemouth or Lorient? If nothing happens there it would suggest that relationship has gone sour very quickly.

[Jones28]

Unfortunately I can’t see anyway SDG drops the player he’s just made club captain. Newell has a comfortable gig now until his mid-30s.

I think thats a gross underestimation of SDG as person and a coach.

[Alex Trager]

Would be a tremendous trio, and total revamp of the midfield overnight


So, are you taking requests for where folk want to sit, or is it pot luck? 😂

I’ll see what my good mate BK has for me.

Always been good pals with him.

He’s a good man, a smart man.

🤪

[Springbank]

Unfortunately I can’t see anyway SDG drops the player he’s just made club captain. Newell has a comfortable gig now until his mid-30s.

Not sure I agree

Think Sdg has subbed him off the park a few times

[JohnM1875]

I don't see it. You don't sign LM if you want to continue with Newell. They will just get in each others way.

Newell starting position is usually too deep, McCowan is more of a forward player so don't think he'd be a replacement for Newell. Be in for Campbell for me.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Hoilett has signed

[tamig]

Boyle is done

If there is any way to get him off the books I would be taking it

Absolutely not. I’d have said he was half-way through last season but he ended the season well and has looked more like his old self at the start of this season. Plenty more to come from him. IMO.

[Hibby Gav]

Hoilett confirmed ggtth

[Nicho87]

One year deal for Hoilett

[CapitalGreen]

I think thats a gross underestimation of SDG as person and a coach.

I suppose we’ll find out whether it is or not if we sign LM.

[Trinity Hibee]

One year deal for Hoilett

👍🏼

[Since452]

Apparently he's always wanted to play for a big club in Scotland. Achieved his dream.

[easty]

I don't see it. You don't sign LM if you want to continue with Newell. They will just get in each others way.

Not even remotely the same type of centre mid.

[Trinity Hibee]

Not even remotely the same type of centre mid.

Genuine question, what’s the differences between them? When I watched Dundee derby mccowan appeared to be a similar player to newell albeit felt he had more energy in the middle. I’ve not seen much of mccowan admittedly.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Getting there.GK: Bursik, Smith, BorucRB: Miller, Cadden, MegwaCB: Marvin, TBCCB: O'Hora, RockyLB: Obita, TBCCM: NMW, AmosCM: Newell, LevittRW: Boyle, BowieAM: TBC, Campbell, MolotnikovLW: Youan, HoilettCF: Kuchy, Vente, McKirdyOut:HarbottleKennehJDHDelferJair

[Brightside]

Newell starting position is usually too deep, McCowan is more of a forward player so don't think he'd be a replacement for Newell. Be in for Campbell for me.

Mccowan is box to box on the left side normally. (What Newell is supposed to do). If Newell drops deep thats then Hodge's position. I honestly think we will improve by moving on from Newell. He should be cover for injuries only.

[Souter96Mac]

Happy with Hoilett in the sense that he will provide good cover out wide.

He will bring great experience for the likes of Rudi to learn from. Some of his crossing last season was class, especially in the Scottish cup semi against Celtic, he put in two quality balls.

[Brightside]

Genuine question, what’s the differences between them? When I watched Dundee derby mccowan appeared to be a similar player to newell albeit felt he had more energy in the middle. I’ve not seen much of mccowan admittedly.

Yep. Newell only comes deep as he doesnt have the energy. LM comes deep and still does the running. Newell slows us down too much. Great for keeping the ball but not great for getting forward quickly.

[Smartie]

Not even remotely the same type of centre mid.

No, but the role they play looks to be the same. McCowan just appears to have the directness, positivity and intensity that "bad day Newell" lacks.

I've never seen McCowan play the sort of role Campbell does and I'm not sure he'd play the right central role (although we'd probably not have much of a problem with 2 central midfielders being right footed).

If McCowan was right footed this would probably be a different argument - and it could be argued that he'd be a decent foil for Newell.

[CapitalGreen]

Not even remotely the same type of centre mid.

What’s the main differences in your opinion?

[JohnM1875]

Mccowan is box to box on the left side normally. (What Newell is supposed to do). If Newell drops deep thats then Hodge's position. I honestly think we will improve by moving on from Newell. He should be cover for injuries only.

I do actually agree about Newell

[Mcbizz1998]

So we now have Hoilett, Boyle, Youan, Rudi and possibly Bowie as wide forwards. That seems pretty decent tbh. Worry that we only have 1 decent striker in Myko, with his injury problems we will be running a big risk going just with him (Vente is a lost cause) until January. Obviously we really need to sort out midfield - McCowan and Hodge would be great! Possibly look at bringing Rudi more central now we have so many options out wide.

[04Sauzee]

So we now have Hoilett, Boyle, Youan, Rudi and possibly Bowie as wide forwards. That seems pretty decent tbh. Worry that we only have 1 decent striker in Myko, with his injury problems we will be running a big risk going just with him (Vente is a lost cause) until January. Obviously we really need to sort out midfield - McCowan and Hodge would be great! Possibly look at bringing Rudi more central now we have so many options out wide.

Bowie is more than capable of playing through the middle, in fact I believe that's where he'd rather play.

[Mcbizz1998]

Bowie is more than capable of playing through the middle, in fact I believe that's where he'd rather play.Oh ok, good to know. That makes sense if that is the plan.

[EGL2000]

Did Kenneh not play 30 odd games for us and Ross County in 22-23 and Shrewsbury last season ? Has played a lot for his age .

I more meant he didn't play well enough there that those teams took up any interest to want him again.

He's dropped in the quality of team he's been playing at each year and not impressed. He's now at the stage where the teams who would maybe be willing to take a chance on him Scottish champ, league 2/ national league likely wouldn't be able to afford his wages. Meaning he's stuck here draining the wage bill.

[007]

One year deal for Hoilett

Aberdeen fans had been thinking we must have offered a longer deal than they had. They must have offered 6 months. 🤔

[Donegal Hibby]

Hoillett first interview....
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/06/hoilett--i-can-t-wait-to-get-started/

[superfurryhibby]

Genuine question, what’s the differences between them? When I watched Dundee derby mccowan appeared to be a similar player to newell albeit felt he had more energy in the middle. I’ve not seen much of mccowan admittedly.

McCowan scores and creates goals.

I never pay much heed to other teams players. Hearing rumours we were very keen, Watched him last games v Hibs. One game, he was good. Picks the ball up and runs with it, in a forward direction with real pace. He was comfortable on the ball and a lot of their creativity went through him. Second game Hibs were better, he was less involved and tbh, didn’t look anything special.

Funny, can’t remember scores etc, but his performances had an impression. His goal scoring and assists suggest he will be a huge asset.

[Unseen work]

Re Ryan Jack

He’s been doing a training camp abroad since the Euros to keep fit and only returned on Sunday.

So you’d imagine there would be an announcement with him for whoever he signs for this week

[.Sean.]

Re Ryan JackHe’s been doing a training camp abroad since the Euros to keep fit and only returned on Sunday.So you’d imagine there would be an announcement with him for whoever he signs for this weekYou’d like to think we’d at least ask the question of him with him being free. Can see Kilmarnock being keen as he’ll have played under Mcinnes

[chippy]

So we now have Hoilett, Boyle, Youan, Rudi and possibly Bowie as wide forwards. That seems pretty decent tbh. Worry that we only have 1 decent striker in Myko, with his injury problems we will be running a big risk going just with him (Vente is a lost cause) until January. Obviously we really need to sort out midfield - McCowan and Hodge would be great! Possibly look at bringing Rudi more central now we have so many options out wide.
Think Bowie plays centrally too, he’s not wee

[Unseen work]

Who is sammy that Holiett mentions in his interview a couple of times? Craig Samson?

[JohnM1875]

Think Bowie plays centrally too, he’s not wee

Looks like a big strong laddie from the clip that was posted on this thread last night.

Been stung with 4 year deals the past few years, have high hopes this will be a good one though

[Vault Boy]

Who is sammy that Holiett mentions in his interview a couple of times? Craig Samson?

Yep

[JohnM1875]

Who is sammy that Holiett mentions in his interview a couple of times? Craig Samson?

Was thinking the same and thought Samson too. Was at Aberdeen last year so makes sense.

[sauzee1989]

Re Ryan Jack

He’s been doing a training camp abroad since the Euros to keep fit and only returned on Sunday.

So you’d imagine there would be an announcement with him for whoever he signs for this week

Would be an upgrade on NMW who I don’t think offers much at all and don’t get me started on Campbell.

[MWHIBBIES]

You can really tell who actually watches Newell and who rolls out the same crap that's been said for years.

He doesn't slow us down. Losing the ball slows an attack down a lot more than a 1-2 with a defender.

His best position is definitely scapegoat on here.

[hibsbollah]

Hoillett first interview....
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/06/hoilett--i-can-t-wait-to-get-started/

I wish the interviewer would mix up his question style a bit. Everytime its ‘how much are you looking forward to…(insert ‘meet the boys’/‘get down to the training Centre’/‘walk out and greet the fans’). Every signing its the same.

[JohnM1875]

You can really tell who actually watches Newell and who rolls out the same crap that's been said for years.

He doesn't slow us down. Losing the ball slows an attack down a lot more than a 1-2 with a defender.

How many chances do you create doing 1-2’s with defenders constantly?

Newell is a good creative player when he puts his mind to it. I just wish he'd start games more positive instead of just keeping possession.

[500miles]

I more meant he didn't play well enough there that those teams took up any interest to want him again.

He's dropped in the quality of team he's been playing at each year and not impressed. He's now at the stage where the teams who would maybe be willing to take a chance on him Scottish champ, league 2/ national league likely wouldn't be able to afford his wages. Meaning he's stuck here draining the wage bill.
I don't think that Shrewsbury are a lesser team than Ross County, or relegation battling is lower tier than league 1.

[HendoDelivered]

I wish the interviewer would mix up his question style a bit. Everytime its ‘how much are you looking forward to…(insert ‘meet the boys’/‘get down to the training Centre’/‘walk out and greet the fans’). Every signing its the same.

Was gonna say the same, some of the questions are so generic at times and make me cringe.

[500miles]

How many chances do you create doing 1-2’s with defenders constantly?

Newell is a good creative player when he puts his mind to it. I just wish he'd start games more positive instead of just keeping possession.

Newell plays similarly to McGeouch. The problem is we don't have a McGinn.

[MWHIBBIES]

How many chances do you create doing 1-2’s with defenders constantly?

Newell is a good creative player when he puts his mind to it. I just wish he'd start games more positive instead of just keeping possession.

he doesn't do that constantly. He consistently plays the ball to fullbacks going forward, wingers, or the other midfielders. That's his job.

Folk on here expect goals, assists, box to box play, tackling, tracking back, great set pieces and if any one of those isn't there he gets grief.

He is our best midfielder and will obviously remain a first pick regardless of getting McGowan.

[hibee-boys]

How many chances do you create doing 1-2’s with defenders constantly?

Newell is a good creative player when he puts his mind to it. I just wish he'd start games more positive instead of just keeping possession.

I think Newells best games are when he’s on the ball further up the park. Not sure him being the best midfielder at the club is a ringing endorsement given the personnel but that’s not his fault.

[PatHead]

You can really tell who actually watches Newell and who rolls out the same crap that's been said for years. He doesn't slow us down. Losing the ball slows an attack down a lot more than a 1-2 with a defender.His best position is definitely scapegoat on here.Glad someone has found a best position for him.

[easty]

What’s the main differences in your opinion?

Newell is a centre mid. A pivot, being available for the ball and moving it on. Kind of like the role McGregor does at Celtc.

McCowan is in there to get forward at Dundee. He is a box to box player in that he’s got the engine to do it. If you have the Dundee squad you’d not be looking for an attacking mid, because you already have one. We’ve needed an attacking mid for ages.

Before anyone loses their ****, no I’m not saying Newell is anywhere near McGregor.

[HFC93]

A lot of justified negativity/scepticism among the Hibs support at the moment but do I think Hoillett will prove to be a very savvy signing for us.

[Unseen work]

I think McCowan is like Christie when he played for Celtic under Rodgers.

Pressing everything like mad from a central area and then had the quality and composure when he was on the ball to score or create

[JohnM1875]

A lot of justified negativity/scepticism among the Hibs support at the moment but do I think Hoillett will prove to be a very savvy signing for us.

Same, kinda gone a bit under the radar today cause we seem to have known about it for days now.

Thought he looked really good at Aberdeen and without a doubt strengthens the team. Hope he can get up to full match fitness soon.

[McD]

I’ll see what my good mate BK has for me.

Always been good pals with him.

He’s a good man, a smart man.

🤪



Wait wait wait, he’s a good pal? Are we going to have wear balaclavas and pavement dance for these STs? 😂🤪

[kentao]

Newell plays similarly to McGeouch. The problem is we don't have a McGinn.Luke McCowan would be more like SJM who can drive with the ball from deep and give us a threat in the middle of the park, for too long we have relied on our wide players creating but it makes us easy to defend against as teams can easily double up on the wingers knowing we have nothing in the middle of the park.

[TrinityHFC]

A lot of justified negativity/scepticism among the Hibs support at the moment but do I think Hoillett will prove to be a very savvy signing for us.

Yep. Going under the radar a bit but should improve our ability to create better chances.

We also seem to have got to him early pre Copa America which is interesting given the focus on us not doing enough or quickly enough.

[Alex Trager]

You can really tell who actually watches Newell and who rolls out the same crap that's been said for years.

He doesn't slow us down. Losing the ball slows an attack down a lot more than a 1-2 with a defender.

His best position is definitely scapegoat on here.

Haha, you could apply that logic to yourself seeing what you’ve just posted here.

[Alex Trager]

Wait wait wait, he’s a good pal? Are we going to have wear balaclavas and pavement dance for these STs? 😂🤪

No, but they are likely to be in the FFL.

😂

[Trinity Hibee]

Newell is a centre mid. A pivot, being available for the ball and moving it on. Kind of like the role McGregor does at Celtc.

McCowan is in there to get forward at Dundee. He is a box to box player in that he’s got the engine to do it. If you have the Dundee squad you’d not be looking for an attacking mid, because you already have one. We’ve needed an attacking mid for ages.

Before anyone loses their ****, no I’m not saying Newell is anywhere near McGregor.

That is probably a good comparison in the style of play actually. Obviously not the same level of player but realise you weren’t suggesting that.

[CapitalGreen]

That is probably a good comparison in the style of play actually. Obviously not the same level of player but realise you weren’t suggesting that.

The key differences being McGregor has the ability to dictate the pace of play and can tackle.

[Brightside]

You can really tell who actually watches Newell and who rolls out the same crap that's been said for years.

He doesn't slow us down. Losing the ball slows an attack down a lot more than a 1-2 with a defender.

His best position is definitely scapegoat on here.

Maybe it's time to try something different from Joe Newell. We don't appear able to get anyone who creates a dominant midfield 3 with him.

[Smartie]

A lot of justified negativity/scepticism among the Hibs support at the moment but do I think Hoillett will prove to be a very savvy signing for us.

Agreed.

We've definitely been needing more depth in that position.

It all seemed to start going wrong for us on Sunday when Rudi went off.

[The Modfather]

Newell plays similarly to McGeouch. The problem is we don't have a McGinn.

I think a key difference in their effectiveness is McGeough was equally adept and speeding up the tempo as he was slowing down a game depending on circumstances. Newell can do the controlling a game bit well, I think he’s poor at upping the tempo though when that’s what is required.

In fairness it must make life so much easier having Super John next to you who you can give the ball to in any area and any scenario and he will keep the ball and move us forward.

[easty]

The key differences being McGregor has the ability to dictate the pace of play and can tackle.

Put McGregor in this team and I think he’d find it hard to dictate play. He’d get slated for playing too many passes back to the defence, when what he’s doing is trying to make sure we keep the ball.

We don’t have anyone in the hole behind the striker who is comfortable on the ball, or a striker who’s capable of taking it in and holding it up to get us up the park. Hopefully Myko can change that though.

[Donegal Hibby]

I wish the interviewer would mix up his question style a bit. Everytime its ‘how much are you looking forward to…(insert ‘meet the boys’/‘get down to the training Centre’/‘walk out and greet the fans’). Every signing its the same.

Agree , could have mixed it up abit more alright.

[Smartie]

Put McGregor in this team and I think he’d find it hard to dictate play. He’d get slated for playing too many passes back to the defence, when what he’s doing is trying to make sure we keep the ball.

We don’t have anyone in the hole behind the striker who is comfortable on the ball, or a striker who’s capable of taking it in and holding it up to get us up the park. Hopefully Myko can change that though.

I totally agree, and I sometimes wonder if it's a Mixu type we need most? Doesn't need to be hoofball but someone you can play a slightly speculative but direct pass in to feet, knowing they're going to be favourite to hang onto the ball over the defender? TBF, Myk is pretty decent at that.

With that option (one that Vente really isn't) it gives Newell or whoever more options ahead of him, making it less attractive to slow down, find the full back etc.

McGregor is a player I rate really highly, yet I've seen him have some absolute stinkers when the players on the same team as him aren't on the same page.

[CentreForward]

Exactly what position is Bowie? I’ve seen him described as a striker and also a winger. He certainly doesn’t seem to be a goal scorer and his scoring record looks pretty poor, so can’t see much hope that we are bringing him in expecting him to be a prolific striker like say Nisbet.

[Trinity Hibee]

Exactly what position is Bowie? I’ve seen him described as a striker and also a winger. He certainly doesn’t seem to be a goal scorer and his scoring record looks pretty poor, so can’t see much hope that we are bringing him in expecting him to be a prolific striker like say Nisbet.

He’s a winger going by clips I’ve seen on YouTube. Doesn’t look like a striker

[Brightside]

Exactly what position is Bowie? I’ve seen him described as a striker and also a winger. He certainly doesn’t seem to be a goal scorer and his scoring record looks pretty poor, so can’t see much hope that we are bringing him in expecting him to be a prolific striker like say Nisbet.

Mainly a winger but can also play through the middle - front 3 player.

[Alfred E Newman]

Apparently he's always wanted to play for a big club in Scotland. Achieved his dream.

I thought we were a massive club??

[Ardenttwo]

Aberdeen fans had been thinking we must have offered a longer deal than they had. They must have offered 6 months. 🤔My son is a big Aberdeen fan and along with others fans is not happy at losing him.

[GreenCastle]

Put McGregor in this team and I think he’d find it hard to dictate play. He’d get slated for playing too many passes back to the defence, when what he’s doing is trying to make sure we keep the ball.

We don’t have anyone in the hole behind the striker who is comfortable on the ball, or a striker who’s capable of taking it in and holding it up to get us up the park. Hopefully Myko can change that though.

The thing about Newell in the pivot or double pivot is that he has to make tackles and I don’t think he does that enough.

He’s fine on the ball - sometimes a little slow - basically count the seconds he has the ball and you will see he slows the play down and other teams can get back into shape.

Newells best football is higher up and nearly like a free role. Hes not box to box and he’s not a CDM. Don’t forget he was a winger when younger and at previous clubs so centre midfield is still a position he’s developing.

We don’t have a single CDM in the squad - that doesn’t mean they play every game but for certain games we need at least one or to see a game out like Bartley used to do.

We don’t need Newell turning into Liam Craig Mk 2 with his pointing / sitting between centre backs and basically not doing much except recycling the ball with limited purpose.

Playing Newell plus another deep is too defensive and not giving main striker enough support - would only play x2 holding players against old firm possibly.

[CentreForward]

Mainly a winger but can also play through the middle - front 3 player.

Thanks.

[CentreForward]

He’s a winger going by clips I’ve seen on YouTube. Doesn’t look like a striker

In that case still think we need to get another striker in even after the arrival off Myko and given that Vente still isn’t doing it.

[Nicho87]

I’d quite like to see Rudi played more in the number 10 position

Technically better than Campbell by a good bit, physically big enough and can hold his own

[Shrekko]

Maybe it's time to try something different from Joe Newell. We don't appear able to get anyone who creates a dominant midfield 3 with him.

Lol - aye and that’s his fault 🤣

Let’s get rid of him and keep Campbell, Amos, NMW etc and get someone else to magically make them all better eh?

The logic is just beyond reason now.

[Smartie]

The thing about Newell in the pivot or double pivot is that he has to make tackles and I don’t think he does that enough.

He’s fine on the ball - sometimes a little slow - basically count the seconds he has the ball and you will see he slows the play down and other teams can get back into shape.

Newells best football is higher up and nearly like a free role. Hes not box to box and he’s not a CDM. Don’t forget he was a winger when younger and at previous clubs so centre midfield is still a position he’s developing.

We don’t have a single CDM in the squad - that doesn’t mean they play every game but for certain games we need at least one or to see a game out like Bartley used to do.

We don’t need Newell turning into Liam Craig Mk 2 with his pointing / sitting between centre backs and basically not doing much except recycling the ball with limited purpose.

Playing Newell plus another deep is too defensive and not giving main striker enough support - would only play x2 holding players against old firm possibly.

I actually really liked the blend of the 3 central midfielders for Dundee on Sunday.

Sylla as a defensive mid, running about snapping into tackles everywhere (much needed in a derby) and a left and right ahead of him with the energy to get up and down the park, good both in and out of possession - also much needed in a derby.

Looked a good blend - something we've really struggled to get, in spite of signing all manner of players to try to rectify the situation.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Newell plays similarly to McGeouch. The problem is we don't have a McGinn.

Dylan a far superior footballer to Joe IMO. I know who will disagree

[The Modfather]

Lol - aye and that’s his fault 🤣

Let’s get rid of him and keep Campbell, Amos, NMW etc and get someone else to magically make them all better eh?

The logic is just beyond reason now.

Isn't that the same logic used in defence of Newell? He will be better beside better midfielders. Just keep churning through midfielders until we find two that will get the best out of Newell.

I don't think any of the current midfielders are the answer, either individually or collectively. Maybe NMW could be part of the answer in time if he develops.

[McD]

Dylan a far superior footballer to Joe IMO. I know who will disagree


Absolutely

[HibsGW]

Exactly what position is Bowie? I’ve seen him described as a striker and also a winger. He certainly doesn’t seem to be a goal scorer and his scoring record looks pretty poor, so can’t see much hope that we are bringing him in expecting him to be a prolific striker like say Nisbet.

Not sure this is really a fair comparison. Nisbet only first scored any notable amount of goals at the age Bowie is coming to now, that was also in Scottish league one. Bowie scored 10 at that level 5 seasons ago when he’d have been 16/17.

By 21 and starting the season at Raith Rovers,Nisbet had 12 career goals in senior football.Bowie has double that at the same age so it’s probably too soon to say whether or not he’s going to be a goal scorer.

[MikeyS]

Newell plays similarly to McGeouch. The problem is we don't have a McGinn.The only way he plays similarly to McGeough is that he plays in a Hibs top!

[GreenCastle]

I actually really liked the blend of the 3 central midfielders for Dundee on Sunday.

Sylla as a defensive mid, running about snapping into tackles everywhere (much needed in a derby) and a left and right ahead of him with the energy to get up and down the park, good both in and out of possession - also much needed in a derby.

Looked a good blend - something we've really struggled to get, in spite of signing all manner of players to try to rectify the situation.

100%

It’s really not that hard to get the balance but we seem to struggle.

Devlin at Hearts is limited but does this job - Shinnie at Dons etc.

Don’t think Jeggo was even a Bartley or Milligan type.

[GreenCastle]

Dylan a far superior footballer to Joe IMO. I know who will disagree

Dylan way ahead of Newell.

Can hardly remember 5 good Newell games.

Dylan ran a derby at ER he was that good.

Just stupidly moved away for the ££ - fine for bank account but could have been a Hibs player for years to come.

[MWHIBBIES]

Dylan a far superior footballer to Joe IMO. I know who will disagree

Are you meaning me?
Mcgeouch was a better player. I was one of his biggest fans too.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Dylan way ahead of Newell.

Can hardly remember 5 good Newell games.

Dylan ran a derby at ER he was that good.

Just stupidly moved away for the ££ - fine for bank account but could have been a Hibs player for years to come.

Dylan’s performance in that derby was other worldly, he had them on strings. He was twice the player Newell is.

[flash]

Dylan way ahead of Newell.

Can hardly remember 5 good Newell games.

Dylan ran a derby at ER he was that good.

Just stupidly moved away for the ££ - fine for bank account but could have been a Hibs player for years to come.

I think McGeouch is the superior player but that second sentence.

Really?

[Unseen work]

100%

It’s really not that hard to get the balance but we seem to struggle.

Devlin at Hearts is limited but does this job - Shinnie at Dons etc.

Don’t think Jeggo was even a Bartley or Milligan type.

That Devlin/Shinnie role is the sort of role I think NMW should be played in

Tons of energy, gets in peoples faces and good at winning it back

[MWHIBBIES]

I think McGeouch is the superior player but that second sentence.

Really?

Indeed. Just a blatant lie really. I get grief for liking Newell but at least I don't do that.

[easty]

Dylan a far superior footballer to Joe IMO. I know who will disagree

I loved McGeough and he was a quality player, but you have to consider that 3 out of his 4 seasons at Hibs we were in the championship. The one season we were in the top flight he was great as part of a really good Hibs team, but he managed 2 assists and nae goals that season.

Those seasons at Hibs aside he’s done nothing. Barely kicked a ball at Aberdeen, and has been kicking about at Forest Green and Carlisle the last 2 seasons without playing regularly. Since leaving Hibs he’s amassed 5 assists and no goals in 6 seasons.

Yet we demand more from Newall, while Dylan is far superior?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Dylan’s performance in that derby was other worldly, he had them on strings. He was twice the player Newell is.

:agree:

Remember him dinking a straight ball over the top about 20 yards. It really had no business coming off and should have been easily intercepted ordinarily, but I don’t think anyone in the stadium seen it coming. We should have scored from it, an outstanding pass

[Donegal Hibby]

Cobblers Corner : Page 7 ... Leonard and Bowie thread , first two pages on the Northampton fans views are interesting I think . Seemed to have liked Bowie ...

http://www.thehotelend.co.uk/

https://www.thewrexhaminsider.com/transfer-news/hibernian-set-to-sign-wrexham-transfer-target-as-significant-deal-close-to-being-agreed/

[Shrekko]

Isn't that the same logic used in defence of Newell? He will be better beside better midfielders. Just keep churning through midfielders until we find two that will get the best out of Newell.

I don't think any of the current midfielders are the answer, either individually or collectively. Maybe NMW could be part of the answer in time if he develops.

It’s exactly the same logic yes. Difference being that Newell is notably better than any of his current midfield colleagues. So why not give him the chance to play with better around him?

He’s now being blamed for the whole midfield being sub-standard - it’s ridiculous. I’m sorry but whether Newell plays or doesn’t play it won’t make Josh Campbell able to tackle or pass to a man in green- that honestly isn’t Joe’s doing.

[Mcbizz1998]

It’s exactly the same logic yes. Difference being that Newell is notably better than any of his current midfield colleagues. So why not give him the chance to play with better around him? He’s now being blamed for the whole midfield being sub-standard - it’s ridiculous. I’m sorry but whether Newell plays or doesn’t play it won’t make Josh Campbell able to tackle or pass to a man in green- that honestly isn’t Joe’s doing.Thats a fair shout tbh. Stick Joe in with McCowan and Hodge. See how he goes then.

[Not In The Know]

I loved McGeough and he was a quality player, but you have to consider that 3 out of his 4 seasons at Hibs we were in the championship. The one season we were in the top flight he was great as part of a really good Hibs team, but he managed 2 assists and nae goals that season.Those seasons at Hibs aside he’s done nothing. Barely kicked a ball at Aberdeen, and has been kicking about at Forest Green and Carlisle the last 2 seasons without playing regularly. Since leaving Hibs he’s amassed 5 assists and no goals in 6 seasons.Yet we demand more from Newall, while Dylan is far superior?There was a stat banded about that he was responsible for a crazy amount of passes/actions that led to an assist being played by another player.

[500miles]

Dylan a far superior footballer to Joe IMO. I know who will disagree

Until SJM arrived there were plenty of people on this board who weren't bothered if he came back from Celtic.

Joe bounced between the Championship and league 1 before arriving at Hibs. He had much more success than Dylan did.

Dylan left Hibs at the same time as SJM and dropped to league 1 - and didn't make it. I know he had injury problems, but even in his best season at Hibs, surrounded by superior players, Dylan didn't score as many goals or get as many assists as Joe.

Dylan couldn't get a game at Aberdeen, and Hibs didn't see value in bringing him back.

And they are both similar players - wide players in their youth who reverted to ball playing centre mids who provided a pivot point for the players around them.

Neither of them are match winners though. They are there to make the team tick. There to ensure we dominate possession enough to get matchwinners chances. McGeouch got to do that 1. In the Championship against lesser opposition and then 2. Next to McGinn, Bartley and a fit Scott Allan.

I loved McGeouch by the way, but I'm also very aware of how he had much better circumstances .

[easty]

There was a stat banded about that he was responsible for a crazy amount of passes/actions that led to an assist being played by another player.

Where do people get the stats for assisting an assist?

I don’t think they exist.

[Shrekko]

I loved McGeough and he was a quality player, but you have to consider that 3 out of his 4 seasons at Hibs we were in the championship. The one season we were in the top flight he was great as part of a really good Hibs team, but he managed 2 assists and nae goals that season.

Those seasons at Hibs aside he’s done nothing. Barely kicked a ball at Aberdeen, and has been kicking about at Forest Green and Carlisle the last 2 seasons without playing regularly. Since leaving Hibs he’s amassed 5 assists and no goals in 6 seasons.

Yet we demand more from Newall, while Dylan is far superior?

He also couldn’t get a regular game for a 3rd tier Sunderland team.

He also played next to McGinn, Allan, Fyvie, Bartley, Henderson etc

Enjoyed Dylan at Hibs but I wonder how he’d have got on in the SPFL alongside the current midfield?🤔

[JohnM1875]

Where do people get the stats for assisting an assist?

I don’t think they exist.

A ‘second assist’ they call it. Was doing the rounds a while back. Glad it didn't catch on as its a ridiculous stat.

[Not In The Know]

A ‘second assist’ they call it. Was doing the rounds a while back. Glad it didn't catch on as its a ridiculous stat.Agreed but if you think back a lot of DMs game was winning the ball (usually just nipping it of a players toes) or intercepting, being neat and tidy then playing the ball forward.

[K-Zazu]

Was gonna say the same, some of the questions are so generic at times and make me cringe.

I feel the same, the whole media/interviews thing just seems crap to me. Remember the days when cliff pike would interview the manager after he game you could feel the passion for football.

[Centre Hawf]

Neither of them are match winners though. They are there to make the team tick. There to ensure we dominate possession enough to get matchwinners chances. McGeouch got to do that 1. In the Championship against lesser opposition and then 2. Next to McGinn, Bartley and a fit Scott Allan. I loved McGeouch by the way, but I'm also very aware of how he had much better circumstances .I think this is the key point here that people perhaps forget when comparing these two players. I genuinely believe Joe Newell could have done just as good as McGeouch in the midfield era he was in, especially when we had Allan and McGinn, perhaps even better given his overall fitness and goal contribution stats are much better. I'm not sure however even the Dylan McGeouch of then in Joes role today makes us any better. If anything I honestly think we'd be in a worse position.I loved Dylan McGeouch in the time he played with us and it's been one of my favourite era's of my 30 years watching Hibs, but Joe is currently trying to hold together a midfield/team that is a shadow of the one Dylan McGeouch was allowed freedom to play in.

[CapitalGreen]

Thats a fair shout tbh. Stick Joe in with McCowan and Hodge. See how he goes then.

Both Newell and McCowan occupy the same areas of the pitch.

[CapitalGreen]

Until SJM arrived there were plenty of people on this board who weren't bothered if he came back from Celtic.

Joe bounced between the Championship and league 1 before arriving at Hibs. He had much more success than Dylan did.

Dylan left Hibs at the same time as SJM and dropped to league 1 - and didn't make it. I know he had injury problems, but even in his best season at Hibs, surrounded by superior players, Dylan didn't score as many goals or get as many assists as Joe.

Dylan couldn't get a game at Aberdeen, and Hibs didn't see value in bringing him back.

And they are both similar players - wide players in their youth who reverted to ball playing centre mids who provided a pivot point for the players around them.

Neither of them are match winners though. They are there to make the team tick. There to ensure we dominate possession enough to get matchwinners chances. McGeouch got to do that 1. In the Championship against lesser opposition and then 2. Next to McGinn, Bartley and a fit Scott Allan.

I loved McGeouch by the way, but I'm also very aware of how he had much better circumstances .

I only care about what players do in a Hibs shirt.

[The Modfather]

It’s exactly the same logic yes. Difference being that Newell is notably better than any of his current midfield colleagues. So why not give him the chance to play with better around him?

He’s now being blamed for the whole midfield being sub-standard - it’s ridiculous. I’m sorry but whether Newell plays or doesn’t play it won’t make Josh Campbell able to tackle or pass to a man in green- that honestly isn’t Joe’s doing.

We’ll agree to disagree. I don’t see any of the current midfielders we have unarguably better than the rest. I see them all as much of a muchness in terms of consistency, making a midfield more than the sum of its parts etc.

I don’t think Newell is solely to blame for the midfield. However he’s not been part of a good midfield since he’s been here, and as the only constant and someone who is rarely unavailable and who nearly always plays the full 90 in that time he has to take a third of the responsibility for midfield being an issue the whole time he has been here IMO.

If we were looking to see how an existing midfielder would do with two good players beside them I’d rather try NMW or Levit.

[Up-the-slope]

anyone got any insight on Elie Youan ? injury seems to be prolonged - or is it being spun out until transfer.? Is JH signing in advance of him going to lessen the impact?I have been one of his biggest critics as he is a part of the huge number of inconsistent players. Yes brilliant one minute then contributing nothing the next But with Boyle being so poor at the moment and Jair not near a starter we have no element of surprise / match winner and are having to rely way too much on Rudi. So we could really do with him in the squad even with his flaws - or a big fee we can reinvest

[Shrekko]

We’ll agree to disagree. I don’t see any of the current midfielders we have unarguably better than the rest. I see them all as much of a muchness in terms of consistency, making a midfield more than the sum of its parts etc.

I don’t think Newell is solely to blame for the midfield. However he’s not been part of a good midfield since he’s been here, and as the only constant and someone who is rarely unavailable and who nearly always plays the full 90 in that time he has to take a third of the responsibility for midfield being an issue the whole time he has been here IMO.

If we were looking to see how an existing midfielder would do with two good players beside them I’d rather try NMW or Levit.

Ok you’d rather build around NMW over Newell so we will agree to disagree.

Newell has been part of Hibs teams who’ve been 3rd and made cup finals. The others haven’t -so again we can twist logic whatever way we want.

I’ve never seen a player of his calibre being scapegoated to this degree. He’s not beyond criticism and far from perfect but for some it’s absolutely irrational.

[MWHIBBIES]

Until SJM arrived there were plenty of people on this board who weren't bothered if he came back from Celtic.


Speaks volumes about hibs.net and it's opinions on midfielders tbf. Dylan was excellent on loan.

[Brightside]

Lol - aye and that’s his fault 🤣

Let’s get rid of him and keep Campbell, Amos, NMW etc and get someone else to magically make them all better eh?

The logic is just beyond reason now.

Im not saying it's his fault. But we keep replacing everyone else and it's not any different. Maybe time to try another permutation.

[Unseen work]

Both Newell and McCowan occupy the same areas of the pitch.

Not with how we’re currently using Joe

[Shrekko]

Im not saying it's his fault. But we keep replacing everyone else and it's not any different. Maybe time to try another permutation.

So you are saying get rid of Newell and keep the rest yes?

[Mcbizz1998]

Question - is Hoilett fit?

[JohnM1875]

Question - is Hoilett fit?

What one finds attractive is subjective 😉

[HendoDelivered]

I feel the same, the whole media/interviews thing just seems crap to me. Remember the days when cliff pike would interview the manager after he game you could feel the passion for football.

They had a good interviewer about 10-15 years ago. Think the guy moved back down South, can’t mind his name but he was really good.

[Brightside]

So you are saying get rid of Newell and keep the rest yes?

Its looks like we are bringing in 2 new ones so why would we keep the rest. Maybe it's Hodge, Levitt, McCowan. Who knows. But surely it's worth trying all possible permutations rather than saying we are just always going to play Newell.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They had a good interviewer about 10-15 years ago. Think the guy moved back down South, can’t mind his name but he was really good.

Tom Zanelli. Good lad.

[The Modfather]

Ok you’d rather build around NMW over Newell so we will agree to disagree.

Newell has been part of Hibs teams who’ve been 3rd and made cup finals. The others haven’t -so again we can twist logic whatever way we want.

I’ve never seen a player of his calibre being scapegoated to this degree. He’s not beyond criticism and far from perfect but for some it’s absolutely irrational.

I think it’s not unreasonable to see if others, like NMW or Levit, could look like the answer beside the same two new players being advocated to support Newell. I don’t think that view is unreasonable.

Newell as a player is fine. Some good, some bad, some meh. I don’t think he’s irreplaceable or that we would be doing anything crazy in looking at building a new midfield (preferably with 3 new midfielders) that didn’t contain him as a starter.

[CapitalGreen]

Not with how we’re currently using Joe

Look at their respective heatmaps, they are near identical.

McCowan v Dun Utd
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Newell v St Mirren
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[Since90+2]

I loved McGeough and he was a quality player, but you have to consider that 3 out of his 4 seasons at Hibs we were in the championship. The one season we were in the top flight he was great as part of a really good Hibs team, but he managed 2 assists and nae goals that season.

Those seasons at Hibs aside he’s done nothing. Barely kicked a ball at Aberdeen, and has been kicking about at Forest Green and Carlisle the last 2 seasons without playing regularly. Since leaving Hibs he’s amassed 5 assists and no goals in 6 seasons.

Yet we demand more from Newall, while Dylan is far superior?

Dylan was a brilliant player for us, far superior to Newell as most folk have said.

What he has done when he left the club is irrelevant, it's what he produced on the park at Hibs and it was a level above Newell.

[Pytheas]

Look at their respective heatmaps, they are near identical.

McCowan v Dun Utd
28078

Newell v St Mirren
28079


As the kids say, Lawyered. I think the ideal midfield this season would be a new 1st team starter quality defensive mid, with Newell and McCowan ahead of him. If we can sign a player that removes most of Newell's defensive duties we will get the best out of him too.

[Alfred E Newman]

Question - is Hoilett fit?

Why would we sign someone who isn't fit? :offski:

[Dan Sarf]

What one finds attractive is subjective 😉


:tee hee:

[MagicSwirlingShip]

People forget the midfielders Dylan played a lot of his football beside at Hibs. Scott Robertson, Fraser Fyvie, Liam Craig etc. He was class on loan aswell so let’s not rewrite history. I’m sure he won POTY ahead of Mcginn aswell. Absolute baller

[Fanforlife]

Facebook page saying Bowie has signed a 4 year deal, hopefully true.

[AlbertK86]

What one finds attractive is subjective [emoji6]

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[McD]

:tee hee:


Tom Zanelli. Good lad.


He was excellent, did some really creative and engaging stuff. I seem to recall a lot of positivity towards Hibs social media and creativity, and a noticeable downgrade after he left

[Paulie Walnuts]

He was excellent, did some really creative and engaging stuff. I seem to recall a lot of positivity towards Hibs social media and creativity, and a noticeable downgrade after he left

He actually sponsors Hibs in some capacity with his company, sure it’s a Lego rental company or something.

[GloryGlory]

Facebook page saying Bowie has signed a 4 year deal, hopefully true.

Official Hibs Facebook page?

[JohnM1875]

Nicky Cadden out of nowhere.

[GreenCastle]

On thing that do give credit to Newell for is that he does stay fit and is regularly available.

Looking at his career stats - he often plays 30-40 games a season.

[skyehibee]

Nicky cadden signs

[.Sean.]

Anyone else just get a WhatsApp update about ‘2 brothers’ that was instantly deleted?

[yerauldda]

Wow! That's a shock. Happy with that!

[Nicho87]

Didn’t even know he had a brother

Welcome brother cadden

[Vault Boy]

Well that was out of left field! Welcome, Nicky!

[GreenCastle]

Nicky Cadden out of nowhere.

To be fair someone called it earlier

Left footed too!!!

[JohnM1875]

Well that was out of left field! Welcome, Nicky!

Literally

[Jones28]

Anyone else just get a WhatsApp update about ‘2 brothers’ that was instantly deleted?

Still got it on mine.

It’s good!

[Callum_62]

Leaks?! What leaks!

Don't think he was mentioned at all

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[JohnM1875]

Leaks?! What leaks!

Don't think he was mentioned at all

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Someone did mention that one ‘would be a surprise’ or something along those lines.

[sauzee1989]

They had a good interviewer about 10-15 years ago. Think the guy moved back down South, can’t mind his name but he was really good.

The media guy that does the interviews is bloody awful. Same questions every week and can tell he has no clue about Hibernian. Another disconnect. Used to get really good interviews.

[Mcbizz1998]

I have no idea if Nicky Cadden is a good or bad signing. I randomly know a Barnsley fan, will see what he reckons.

[SteveHFC]

Nicky Cadden signs on a permanent deal.

[JohnM1875]

That’s actually a great signing. Free transfer as well.

What are we cooking here! Hopefully Bowie and McCowan/Hodge still to come.

[Unseen work]

Mentioned Cadden a while ago.

That’s a great signing. Versatile up the left hand side and I’d say better on the ball than Chris

Real threat from set pieces too

[GreenCastle]

A few incoming either today or over course of week. No surprises.

Edit - told one is actually a bit of a surprise.

Good call

[we are hibs]

So that's now Hoilett and Cadden on left wing.


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[GreenCastle]

That’s actually a great signing. Free transfer as well.

What are we cooking here! Hopefully Bowie and McCowan/Hodge still to come.

Finally found the Black Knights credit card or Kensell is panicking.

Few more especially in central midfield would be good.

[HoboHarry]

Is there a third brother by any chance? I miss the McGinn's.......

[Unseen work]

So that's now Hoilett and Cadden on left wing.


Youan must be close to leaving

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Think Nicky suits the left wing back role brilliantly

I know people moan about not spending money but I’ve been really impressed with the players we’ve got through without spending a penny.

Much smarter and more shrewd signings

[basehibby]

I loved McGeough and he was a quality player, but you have to consider that 3 out of his 4 seasons at Hibs we were in the championship. The one season we were in the top flight he was great as part of a really good Hibs team, but he managed 2 assists and nae goals that season.

Those seasons at Hibs aside he’s done nothing. Barely kicked a ball at Aberdeen, and has been kicking about at Forest Green and Carlisle the last 2 seasons without playing regularly. Since leaving Hibs he’s amassed 5 assists and no goals in 6 seasons.

Yet we demand more from Newall, while Dylan is far superior?

Good post. Dylan McGeogh was great for us in the "number 6" role - fantastic reading of the game that lead to so many dangerous looking attacks being snuffed out before they really started. He tended to pass the creative stuff on to teammates though whereas Newell chips in with assists quite regularly - so quite different players really.
I agree Dylan's career choices left something to be desired. Maybe his bank balance has benefited but he could have been a rock at the heart of our midfield for years rather than a fringe player elsewhere.

[CapitalGreen]

Think Nicky suits the left wing back role brilliantly

I know people moan about not spending money but I’ve been really impressed with the players we’ve got through without spending a penny.

Much smarter and more shrewd signings

Free agents still cost money.

[Col2]

Does he cover the left back gap we have with just Obita as only left back?

[GreenCastle]

Yaya / Kolo Toure song time…

[Ringothedog]

Free agents still cost money.

Just not as much

[JohnM1875]

Does he cover the left back gap we have with just Obita as only left back?

Malky did mention he could provide cover at LB on the article on the website. Can play anywhere on the left really. Good player.

[.Sean.]

Yaya / Kolo Toure song time…
The cringiest chant going, please no

[IanM]

Yaya / Kolo Toure song time…

Absolutely never

[Unseen work]

Free agents still cost money.

For god sake, obviously they cost money.

I meant paying a fee, but you knew that.

[GreenCastle]

Ok I wasn’t aware they are twins ???!

How many twins have played for Hibs ?

[Vault Boy]

Could Obita play left side of a CB 3? He’s got the height.

[Heisenberg]

The cringiest chant going, please no

It’s dreadful but 100% going to happen