Summer transfer thread 2024/25

[andrew70]

Not sure our midfield on Sunday work as hard or are as organised as other teams

Precisely.

Agreed al over the shop.

As for Campbell ‘thinking he had a man’ as mentioned further up it’s not kids football we are playing.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not how i saw the game.

Guys like Campbell and NMW have incredible energy, Newell too. They'll run all day for you, just often in the wrong direction.

Look at Celtic's 2nd, theres no lack of effort or energy from the midfield trying to win the ball it's just all focussed on the wrong areas.

If that's the main thing Nisbet brings then I can understand us not being interested. Need quality and positional sense more than legs i reckon.

I don’t think any of our players have a lack of energy at all . I do think when you play a team of Celtic’s quality and they are on their game our players have to work even harder in trying to cope with their movement and the intensity they play at ….

Which was why imo most of them were blowing out their ***** , most of them looked knackered , Campbell , Newell . Even young Rudi seemed to go off with a touch of cramp according to the commentator .

The McGregor goal somebody has got to be picking him up . I’m not sure if that should have been Campbell or one of the four men we had out marking one man .

Unfortunately we have it all to go through again when it could have been avoided if we hadn’t treated the Kelty game as a pre-season game.

[Ronniekirk]

Anyway as interesting as these discussions are about past events who is signing today?
Two more midfielders?
I more CB ?
Would that be us done


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No signings today but it’s clear there will be more comings and goings
Gray's job is now to get players playing in best positions where it’s possible and start to gell them as a team and start picking up points

[Greenworld]

No signings today but it’s clear there will be more comings and goings
Gray's job is now to get players playing in best positions where it’s possible and start to gell them as a team and start picking up pointsThat's a concern trying to get that amount of new players to gel.


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[McGruber]

Pretty gutted vente only rumoured to be a loan. Was hoping we could recoup and good amount of the fee we paid for him. Value will fall dramatically if his contract runs down another year.

Me too but might work in our favour. He'll be back in Dutch football where he excelled before (albeit a lower level). If he can do well on his loan which I think he is capable of because he is a good technical player then we'll possibly get a good fee at the end of the season. The deal might include an inflated option to buy price for that reason.

[McGruber]

Not sure our midfield on Sunday work as hard or are as organised as other teams

I think they work as hard but it's the poor organisation, poor use of the press that makes it appear that way - a lot of energy wasted.

[Houston7]

Celtics 2nd was full of players being dragged into the wrong area very slowly. At least 4 players in wrong areas and not doing anything to actually stop a pass, or mark the pass to mcgregor. It was a horrible goal to lose.

Yes, it was schoolboy defending.

[HendoDelivered]

Upping the offer to £750k for McCowan according to this https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/latest-hibs-transfer-news-luke-29735899

[Heisenberg]

Upping the offer to £750k for McCowan according to this https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/latest-hibs-transfer-news-luke-29735899

Just went to post the same. £750k is a lot, couldn’t see us hitting the £1m mark.

[dangermouse]

Campbell didn’t have a man.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUygiQQWkAA9X-t?format=jpg&name=large

Why do we have three men closing down one player? Lack of communication?

[yerauldda]

A very significant outlay for us, especially considering the fee paid for Bowie too.
You'd have to think Youan must be close to exiting as this sort of spending isn't exactly sustainable without selling too, new investment or not.

[CapitalGreen]

Just went to post the same. £750k is a lot, couldn’t see us hitting the £1m mark.

If that’s true we’ve met them in the middle from our previous rejected bid. We should walk away if this one is rejected.

[Sioux]

Why do we have three men closing down one player? Lack of communication?

A lack of game awareness. In other words, at least two players don't know where they are, nor why they are there.:greengrin

[EGL2000]

Me too but might work in our favour. He'll be back in Dutch football where he excelled before (albeit a lower level). If he can do well on his loan which I think he is capable of because he is a good technical player then we'll possibly get a good fee at the end of the season. The deal might include an inflated option to buy price for that reason.

Good point that I didn't think of! I think he's got every chance of doing pretty well there as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

Upping the offer to £750k for McCowan according to this https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/latest-hibs-transfer-news-luke-29735899

They are wanting a million for a player that can join a club on a free in January . Surely if we are offering 750K this will be the last offer for him ? .

[Trinity Hibee]

They are wanting a million for a player that can join a club on a free in January . Surely if we are offering 750K this will be the last offer for him ? .

You’d think so. £1m for a player with one year left is unheard of in Scotland outside of OF. Don’t think he’s a £1m player even if he has 2 years left on his deal

[GloryGlory]

They are wanting a million for a player that can join a club on a free in January . Surely if we are offering 750K this will be the last offer for him ? .

:greengrin Take it or leave it should be the Hibs stance. If they don't accept our offer, move on to another target, £750,000 is a good chunk of money to have to spend in the SPFL outside the OF and should bring in some quality.

[Unseen work]

750 surely gets McCowan

[weecounty hibby]

If we are up to 750k and they don't take that, tell them to gtf and move onto someone else. They'll regret that in a couple of years time when they are back struggling to stay in the league and about to go tits up again

[tug.lismore]

Beginning to see the formation of the first XI now.

Bursik in goals.

I see some on here are already saying righting him off. Thanks for your continuing support.

Back four of Miller, Ekpiteta, O'Hora and Obita

Kwon sitting in front of them

It all then depends on how SDG wants to set up the attacking players.

Hopefully McCowan and one of the other central midfielders in the middle and then perm any three from Hoilett, Molotnikov, Kukharevych, Nicky Cadden, Chris Cadden, Bowie, McKirdy and Boyle.

Reckon Youan will be away soon and Harbottle, Delferriere, Kenneh will find themselves loaned out.

Jair? God knows what will happen with him.

Any others to come in?

McCowan (or an alternative)
Another CB? Left sided

Not sure what else.

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[erin go bragh]

A very significant outlay for us, especially considering the fee paid for Bowie too.
You'd have to think Youan must be close to exiting as this sort of spending isn't exactly sustainable without selling too, new investment or not.

6m from the BK, so we don't have to sell Youan

[Not In The Know]

750 surely gets McCowan


750K and he doesn't play at the weekend take it or leave it!

Thats about 100-150k more than he's worth but needs must.

[EGL2000]

Beginning to see the formation of the first XI now.

Bursik in goals.

I see some on here are already saying righting him off. Thanks for your continuing support.

Back four of Miller, Ekpiteta, O'Hora and Obita

Kwon sitting in front of them

It all then depends on how SDG wants to set up the attacking players.

Hopefully McCowan and one of the other central midfielders in the middle and then perm any three from Hoilett, Molotnikov, Kukharevych, Nicky Cadden, Chris Cadden, Bowie, McKirdy and Boyle.

Reckon Youan will be away soon and Harbottle, Delferriere, Kenneh will find themselves loaned out.

Jair? God knows what will happen with him.

Any others to come in?

McCowan (or an alternative)
Another CB? Left sided

Not sure what else.

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We will defo need another striker if Vente goes which looks very likely.

[kentao]

He`s one of the stand out midfielders in the league and would be worth every penny in a position we have been wasting money trying to recruit the right players to take us forward. This collection of midfielders have costs us a fortune in pay offs and i wouldn't be disappointed if they all left and we started again. McCowan would be a massive step in the right direction of the caliber of player we should be signing. Really hope we can get him signed up.

[flash]

6m from the BK, so we don't have to sell Youan

We absolutely do have to sell him.

[Donegal Hibby]

You’d think so. £1m for a player with one year left is unheard of in Scotland outside of OF. Don’t think he’s a £1m player even if he has 2 years left on his deal

I think it’s a fair to generous offer considering his contract status. If this one’s rejected then it really is time to move on to another target . 750K will get us a decent midfielder , maybe one younger that we can make a profit on in the future too .

[1875Sean]

They are wanting a million for a player that can join a club on a free in January . Surely if we are offering 750K this will be the last offer for him ? .

He can talk to clubs come Jan but wouldn’t join for free until the summer

[Donegal Hibby]

He can talk to clubs come Jan but wouldn’t join for free until the summer

Yeah though if he reaches an agreement with another club they won’t get anywhere near 750k for him then I think , can they really afford to turn down that kind of money?

[USA_Hibee]

They may have European ambitions this year and see him as a key part to that. The rewards of a higher finish and European football might be worth more to them than what we offer.

I do think we have made a good offer though. Can't fault the club at all if this is true.

[Unseen work]

I suppose the issue for us if we don’t get McCowan is who else do we go for

I know “there’s always other players” but this is one that’s staring us in the face.

A attack minded midfielder who covers loads of ground, drive forwards and scores/assists. He has a great attitude and puts in a shift in defensively.

Everything about him seems to point to the exact sort of player SDG wants

Will we have another like for like player that we’ll be able to get who we know will hit the ground running?

[ruthven_raiders]

I suppose the issue for us if we don’t get McCowan is who else do we go for

I know “there’s always other players” but this is one that’s staring us in the face.

A attack minded midfielder who covers loads of ground, drive forwards and scores/assists. He has a great attitude and puts in a shift in defensively.

Everything about him seems to point to the exact sort of player SDG wants

Will we have another like for like player that we’ll be able to get who we know will hit the ground running?

Yup and that's why we've upped offer to 750k which for a player in last year of contract is a lot, but in the long run he'd save us a lot of money and make us a lot better immediately....will depend on Dundee holding out for £1m and whether he wants to come....

[Spudster]

I wonder if the club just prefer McCowan to Nisbet and that's the reason, plus they dont want anymore players going away for international duties to the other side of the world?
Do Australia have a game on Scottish Cup final day when we play Celtic with Kwon ineligible?

[Unseen work]

Yup and that's why we've upped offer to 750k which for a player in last year of contract is a lot, but in the long run he'd save us a lot of money and make us a lot better immediately....will depend on Dundee holding out for £1m and whether he wants to come....

I’d be really surprised if other teams paid one million for him but you never know.

I see alot of people (in media/dundee fans) etc are saving he’d be daft to come to us.

But surely he’ll recognise the business we’ve done this summer and think we’re addressing the issues of previous seasons and are on the way up. Probably can’t be stressed to him enough just how big a part he’d play in getting us back on track too

[The Captain....]

I really want McCowan, I think he's exactly what we need but I wouldn't be going beyond £750K for him either (if that's accurate)...even that is beyond what I think he's worth but we're having to pay a premium as everyone knows we have cash and need midfielders.

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[Donegal Hibby]

Some of the comments on the Dundee forum about McCowan are bonkers ….

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/34859-dundees-summer-transfer-business-2425/page/389/#comments

[Paul1642]

Some of the comments on the Dundee forum about McCowan are bonkers ….

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/34859-dundees-summer-transfer-business-2425/page/389/#comments

Which ones. Read through a couple of pages and the majority were pretty fair

[Brightside]

Yup and that's why we've upped offer to 750k which for a player in last year of contract is a lot, but in the long run he'd save us a lot of money and make us a lot better immediately....will depend on Dundee holding out for £1m and whether he wants to come....

We haven't upped our offer to 750k though. This is a "Daily Mail understands" article. ie made up nonsense.

[Brightside]

We absolutely do have to sell him.

So.....we only have to sell him if he doesnt want to stay. If he says he wants to stay we aren't being forced to sell him.

[Unseen work]

We haven't upped our offer to 750k though. This is a "Daily Mail understands" article. ie made up nonsense.

Wonder if it’s a leak from Dundee that see what their fans reaction is should they accept a bid around that amount

[tonyrougier123]

Some of the comments on the Dundee forum about McCowan are bonkers ….

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/topic/34859-dundees-summer-transfer-business-2425/page/389/#comments

1.5 million is delusional beyond imagination. Hibs are normally a very easy club to do business with and if weve if we’ve offered anywhere near 750k then it’s 250k too much already simple as that for me. However if SDG sees him as a massive piece of the jigsaw let’s get it done.

[Donegal Hibby]

Which ones. Read through a couple of pages and the majority were pretty fair

Them thinking 1.5 million is what they are wanting for him , even at the other figure of 1 million is unrealistic considering his contract status .

I also think some of them wanting to keep him for another year and lose out on a fee of potentially 750k is a bit bonkers too .

[lucky]

Both clubs are doing it the correct way. We keep upping our bid they keep, rejecting it which is their right. But I'm not sure Dundee could afford to knock back £750k for a player they could lose nothing in 1 year.

[B.H.F.C]

If we’re getting to that sort of figure, and he wants to come, a deal will be done IMO.

[WestStandWillie]

1.5 million is delusional beyond imagination. Hibs are normally a very easy club to do business with and if weve if we’ve offered anywhere near 750k then it’s 250k too much already simple as that for me. However if SDG sees him as a massive piece of the jigsaw let’s get it done.

Why is it delusional? Granted he's out of contract end of the season but he's their captain and talisman. Absolutely well within their right to ask for that. I'd like to think if the boot was on the other foot we'd do exactly the same.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why is it delusional? Granted he's out of contract end of the season but he's their captain and talisman. Absolutely well within their right to ask for that. I'd like to think if the boot was on the other foot we'd do exactly the same.

I think it’s delusional if they think they might get that.

Don’t think it’s delusional to think he’s worth that to their team though.

[Sioux]

But surely he’ll recognise the business we’ve done this summer and think we’re addressing the issues of previous seasons and are on the way up.

Unfortunately it's not universally recognised on here.

[GreenCastle]

Will McCowan play this weekend and be cup tied?

Assuming Hibs and Dundee win..obviously Hibs winning away at Celtic park is very rare.

Then the week after Hibs v Dundee…

[JimBHibees]

Will McCowan play this weekend and be cup tied?

Assuming Hibs and Dundee win..obviously Hibs winning away at Celtic park is very rare.

Then the week after Hibs v Dundee…

He is already cup tied

[Forza Fred]

If the McCowan deal falls through, who do we then target?

[hibsbollah]

I suppose the issue for us if we don’t get McCowan is who else do we go for

I know “there’s always other players” but this is one that’s staring us in the face.

A attack minded midfielder who covers loads of ground, drive forwards and scores/assists. He has a great attitude and puts in a shift in defensively.

Everything about him seems to point to the exact sort of player SDG wants

Will we have another like for like player that we’ll be able to get who we know will hit the ground running?

Allan Campbell trail seems to have gone a bit cold…he’s that type.

[Callum_62]

If the McCowan deal falls through, who do we then target?I'd be approaching Ross County for Josh Nisbet

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[tonyrougier123]

Why is it delusional? Granted he's out of contract end of the season but he's their captain and talisman. Absolutely well within their right to ask for that. I'd like to think if the boot was on the other foot we'd do exactly the same.

There is zero chance of 1.5million. That’s as good as saying he is unavailable.
They can ask for what they want correct, but it won’t change his valuation from a market perspective,Dundee don’t sell players for that kind of cash with 4yr deals never mind last year contract situations.

Club the size of Dundee will be in a constant need to bring in capital over and above earnings. Add to that huge fine for pitch end of last season. I don’t think they would be putting people off with such unrealistic transfer valuations.

[GreenCastle]

He is already cup tied

Yes that’s right - sorry stupid me - thinking they didn’t play group stages as finished top 6.

[Hibby70]

Don't get the Cup Tied thing. It's not a thing in the league so why should it happen in cups. We already have a deadline so what's the difference. I'd just get rid of it.

[Mcbizz1998]

McCowan could make the deal happen you would imagine. Dundee are staying strong but if we offer 750k and McCowan makes it known he wants away then it make sit very difficult for them. Keep a player who wants away and can sign a pre-contract in January or just take the money and run.

[Lago]

Upping the offer to £750k for McCowan according to this https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/latest-hibs-transfer-news-luke-29735899
Not sure he's worth that.

[WestStandWillie]

McCowan could make the deal happen you would imagine. Dundee are staying strong but if we offer 750k and McCowan makes it known he wants away then it make sit very difficult for them. Keep a player who wants away and can sign a pre-contract in January or just take the money and run.

I don't think McCowan has made any noise to leave. Not to the press certainly. If you believe the manager, he's very happy there...unless he's pulling a Ryan Jack and just feeding the manager BS

[Since452]

I'm glad Hibs have targeted McCowan and I'm glad we're willing to part with huge money to get him (if £750k is correct). If we don't get him then fair play to Hibs for trying. We'll have other targets but really hope it happens. Rate him highly.

[Heisenberg]

Not sure he's worth that.

I’m on the verge of thinking the same. £750k is big money at our level. If they want to hold onto him fair enough and I’d respect it but I’d want Hibs move on if they don’t take that.

[Saint Hibee]

:greengrin
I'd be approaching Ross County for Josh Nisbet

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[Mcbizz1998]

I don't think McCowan has made any noise to leave. Not to the press certainly. If you believe the manager, he's very happy there...unless he's pulling a Ryan Jack and just feeding the manager BS

Agreed, he hasn't. But he could.

Maybe Hibs should be making him aware what his salary is likely to be. Might be enough to turn his head! :greengrin

[CMac1988]

Read through some of those comments on the Dundee forum and most were fair. I think both clubs are doing the best they can here. Dundee obviously feel he's worth more to them over a season than the rumoured £750k being offered. They'll struggle to use that money to replace him easily within their existing wage structure. He could be the difference between top 6 and bottom 6 for them (and arguably us) so it's easy to see why they'd want to hold out for more given the money on the line (league, europe, cup runs etc.). Given the money up here in general outside the top 2 I'd argue in cases such like this you're as well holding onto your best players in the last year of their contracts unless someone is willing to pay well over the odds and that's only happening if a team from a bigger league comes a calling. It's a tricky one. Not that I read much in to rumours it's telling that if we have offered money and player/s that Dundee aren't interested in any of those we're trying to move on.

[flash]

Read through some of those comments on the Dundee forum and most were fair. I think both clubs are doing the best they can here. Dundee obviously feel he's worht more to them over a season than the rumoured £750k being offered. They'll struggle to use that money to repalce in him easily within their existing wage structure. He could be the difference between top 6 and bottom 6 for them (and arguably us) so it's easy to see why they'd want to hold out for more given the money on the line (league, europe, cup runs etc.). Given the money up here in general outside the top 2 I'd argue in cases such like this you're as well holding onto your best players in the last year of their contracts unless someone is willing to pay well over the odds and that's only happening if a team from a bigger league comes a calling. It's a tricky one. Not that I read much in to rumours it's telling that if we have offered money and player/s that Dundee aren't interested in any of those we're trying to move on.

Have no doubt that Dundee are at the point of getting the most money possible for the player.

If he stays I would humbly suggest that they have messed up badly.

[Lago]

I’m on the verge of thinking the same. £750k is big money at our level. If they want to hold onto him fair enough and I’d respect it but I’d want Hibs move on if they don’t take that.
Same here👍

[.Sean.]

I'd be approaching Ross County for Josh Nisbet

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[Brightside]

Agreed, he hasn't. But he could.

Maybe Hibs should be making him aware what his salary is likely to be. Might be enough to turn his head! :greengrin

Don't worry about the player. He is happy to come.

[Joe6-2]

Don't worry about the player. He is happy to come.

Fact?

[number9dream]

Allan Campbell trail seems to have gone a bit cold…he’s that type.

Surprising that he hasn’t got a move yet but there must be clubs interested.
He’ll be on a bigger wage than Hibs are paying and Luton will want a fee. Maybe just out of reach?
Nathan Jones loved him at Luton but he might not fancy the step down to Charlton.
Not as creative as McCowan and I seriously doubt we can afford both unless we can offload almost all of our current crop of midfielders.

[Largshibby]

Have no doubt that Dundee are at the point of getting the most money possible for the player.

If he stays I would humbly suggest that they have messed up badly.

He could also pick up an injury before the deadline that would scupper everything. Especially for himself. No doubt that features in his thinking as well.

[GloryGlory]

He could also pick up an injury before the deadline that would scupper everything. Especially for himself. No doubt that features in his thinking as well.

Wouldn't be the first time we've bought someone who's crocked! :greengrin

[Green-Hibee-7]

I’ve honestly not seen a lot Dundee other than when they played us. Is the guy really worth £750k? For that type of money, he really needs to be a bit of a game changer. Is he that player?

[Crab apple]

Same here👍

Agreed. I would like us to consider Mark O'Hara. However he is injured just now and might be just as expensive.

[eastmainsmsh]

Think Vente wants to leave Zwolle are keen and US and them both keen to sort something out

[tonyrougier123]

Agreed. I would like us to consider Mark O'Hara. However he is injured just now and might be just as expensive.

O’Hara is a decent player. There was someone on here used to go on about us signing him before st mirren did. Good eye for a player can’t remember posters name.

[Jones28]

O’Hara is a decent player. There was someone on here used to go on about us signing him before st mirren did. Good eye for a player can’t remember posters name.

Please think of the Hibs TV commentary team, O'Hora, O'Hara.

I'd rule him out on that basis.

[The Captain....]

Agreed. I would like us to consider Mark O'Hara. However he is injured just now and might be just as expensive.I was told earlier in the window Hibs enquired and were given a figure of £800k for O'Hara. Rightly that cooled our interest (in my opinion)

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[NGoloGrantie]

Think Vente wants to leave Zwolle are keen and US and them both keen to sort something out

Yup he’s in Netherlands today doing his medical


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[Ozyhibby]

I'd be approaching Ross County for Josh Nisbet

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[Donegal Hibby]

There is zero chance of 1.5million. That’s as good as saying he is unavailable.
They can ask for what they want correct, but it won’t change his valuation from a market perspective,Dundee don’t sell players for that kind of cash with 4yr deals never mind last year contract situations.

Club the size of Dundee will be in a constant need to bring in capital over and above earnings. Add to that huge fine for pitch end of last season. I don’t think they would be putting people off with such unrealistic transfer valuations.

There’s zero chance we will be paying 1.5 million for him , even a million is over the odds considering his contract status, age etc .

If the rumour of 750K is accurate then I think it’s more than fair and above what I think it should be . They can value him at what they like but he’s only worth what other teams are willing to pay for him and the rumoured figures from their end are unrealistic imo .

They might think it’s worth keeping him but he could also get injured and lose him for nothing. Even as bad as we were last year we only narrowly missed out on top 6 to them .

I know we haven’t had a great start though I do think we will strengthen midfield and be stronger than we were last season, as will Aberdeen too .

No guarantees even with him they are making top 6 this season either.

[IanM]

Just watched DGs press conference ..didn’t catch it all but Youan and Vente no immediate signs of leaving but speculation. JDH, Youan, Hoilett not fit for the weekend - I think he said Nicky Cadden in the same boat for another week

[Paulie Walnuts]

There’s zero chance we will be paying 1.5 million for him , even a million is over the odds considering his contract status, age etc .

If the rumour of 750K is accurate then I think it’s more than fair and above what I think it should be . They can value him at what they like but he’s only worth what other teams are willing to pay for him and the rumoured figures from their end are unrealistic imo .

They might think it’s worth keeping him but he could also get injured and lose him for nothing. Even as bad as we were last year we only narrowly missed out on top 6 to them .

I know we haven’t had a great start though I do think we will strengthen midfield and be stronger than we were last season, as will Aberdeen too .

No guarantees even with him they are making top 6 this season either.

He’s not only worth what other teams are willing to pay for him, he’s also worth what Dundee feel he’s worth to them.

What they value the player at is every bit as important as what the buying club value him at.

[Donegal Hibby]

He’s not only worth what other teams are willing to pay for him, he’s also worth what Dundee feel he’s worth to them.

What they value the player at is every bit as important as what the buying club value him at.

No club is paying 1.5 million for a player they can sign in January on a free contract and then offer peanuts to get him early.

What did we get for SJM , 2.5 or something wasn’t it ? . Yet Lennon valued him at 5 mill at one point I think.

Even a million is unrealistic for him imo , if the offer of 750K is truth and they reject it then I hope we walk away because I don’t think he’s worth anymore tbh .

[degenerated]

I'd be approaching Ross County for Josh Nisbet

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No need to do that, just throw a hat over him when he comes out arrivals at airport and whisk him down to ER :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

No club is paying 1.5 million for a player they can sign in January on a free contract and then offer peanuts to get him early.

What did we get for SJM , 2.5 or something wasn’t it ? . Yet Lennon valued him at 5 mill at one point I think.

Even a million is unrealistic for him imo , if the offer of 750K is truth and they reject it then I hope we walk away because I don’t think he’s worth anymore tbh .

I would agree, I’d be surprised if any other club thinks he’s worth £1.5m and I wouldn’t be going higher than where we are now either. He can still be worth £1.5m to Dundee though.

[Springbank]

I suppose the issue for us if we don’t get McCowan is who else do we go for

I know “there’s always other players” but this is one that’s staring us in the face.

A attack minded midfielder who covers loads of ground, drive forwards and scores/assists. He has a great attitude and puts in a shift in defensively.

Everything about him seems to point to the exact sort of player SDG wants

Will we have another like for like player that we’ll be able to get who we know will hit the ground running?

Lennon Miller

[tug.lismore]

Strangely I think that £750k is potentially cheap if it gets the player who can transform the Hibs midfield.

If Hibs are going to get him on a 3 deal then it is an investment of £250k a year plus his wages.

Say that adds £250k per year then it is a half a million investment that, if it bears fruit, easily brings in more in revenue than that.

Yes, lots of eggs in one basket but worth it?

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[Godsahibby]

Please think of the Hibs TV commentary team, O'Hora, O'Hara.

I'd rule him out on that basis.

Shivers thinking about the Hanlon and O’Hanlon commentary year!

[Joe6-2]

Please think of the Hibs TV commentary team, O'Hora, O'Hara.

I'd rule him out on that basis.

They are never interested in getting it correct, they can’t be bothered to get one right never mind two

[Heisenberg]

Lennon Miller

He’ll go for £3m+ easily unless he runs his contract down.

[MartinfaePorty]

Nice to see the Hibs TV commentary team getting a kicking on here, as everybody else has :rolleyes:

[Springbank]

He’ll go for £3m+ easily unless he runs his contract down.

You may well be right - my point is more for the Bill Foleys of this world

750k gets you someone who may increase a bit in value

But with a younger hungry midfielder like Miller you get into the Steven Fletcher / John McGinn sell on fee world

If Foleys people are serious about making money via Scottish football that's the kind of deal they should be doing via Hibs

[nonshinyfinish]

Nice to see the Hibs TV commentary team getting a kicking on here, as everybody else has :rolleyes:

Well just look at how many managers they've seen off

[Donegal Hibby]

I would agree, I’d be surprised if any other club thinks he’s worth £1.5m and I wouldn’t be going higher than where we are now either. He can still be worth £1.5m to Dundee though.

Don’t see how tbh , they can value him at 1.5mill or 3mill if they want but the reality is no one’s going to pay that for him and some club will just snap him up in January for free rather than getting a rumoured 750k now which is not only a massive amount of money to us but surely must be to them too .

[nonshinyfinish]

Don’t see how tbh , they can value him at 1.5mill or 3mill if they want but the reality is no one’s going to pay that for him and some club will just snap him up in January for free rather than getting a rumoured 750k now which is not only a massive amount of money to us but surely must be to them too .

They would get a full season of him playing for them though. None of us know what value they place on that.

[Centre Hawf]

750k was over the odds to begin with for a player of his age, and his contract status in my view. But I do understand Dundee need to look out for themselves first and I could rationalise us spending that amount if we have it in the budget to do so. But anything beyond that is absolutely criminal and I'd rather run the risk of him going somewhere else on a pre contract in January than spend anywhere near £1m.

If anything just take the transfer money and offer a chunk of it to Allan Campbell as a signing bonus and call it a day.

[Callum_62]

Vente in Holland for medical

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[Nicho87]

I’d think 750k plus a small sell on fee will be approaching hibs last offer figure

Dundee well within their rights to reject it

Would he improve our midfield? Absolutely

[Col2]

Vente in Holland for medical

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Is this a loan or perm?

[Callum_62]

Is this a loan or perm?Loan

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[Trinity Hibee]

Well just look at how many managers they've seen off

😂😂

[chippy]

Loan

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With option to buy built in per chance ?

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Well just look at how many managers they've seen off

Bit unfair on Newell, giving other people credit!

[1875M]

Lennon Miller

Behave yourself. Lennon Miller. Boy will go championship in next few years for big money and I would put a decent amount on him playing in the premier league at some point in his career.

[Brightside]

Just watched DGs press conference ..didn’t catch it all but Youan and Vente no immediate signs of leaving but speculation. JDH, Youan, Hoilett not fit for the weekend - I think he said Nicky Cadden in the same boat for another week

These conferences are pointless eh. Vente no immediate signs of leaving? He is in Holland to sign.

JDH - nobody ever asks what's actually wrong with him.

[EVENTUALLY]

I don't think £1.5M is over the score for McCowan but it is for Hibs right now and if we paid that amount it would also have a marked effect on every other offer made in the future for other targets. The £6M injection from BK is common knowledge and other clubs are going to hold out for more as they know we've got that kind of money.

[Not In The Know]

You may well be right - my point is more for the Bill Foleys of this world

750k gets you someone who may increase a bit in value

But with a younger hungry midfielder like Miller you get into the Steven Fletcher / John McGinn sell on fee world

If Foleys people are serious about making money via Scottish football that's the kind of deal they should be doing via Hibs


IF MM isn't putting this to the Black Knight group then there's no point in it TBH.

[Gordy M]

IF MM isn't putting this to the Black Knight group then there's no point in it TBH.

Id be stunned if Hibs havent "enquired" about him and told he isnt for sale or doesnt want to come to Hibs as he has set his sights on England at some point. These things happen, but doesnt mean we havent asked whther directly of via an agent etc.

[Not In The Know]

Id be stunned if Hibs havent "enquired" about him and told he isnt for sale or doesnt want to come to Hibs as he has set his sights on England at some point. These things happen, but doesnt mean we havent asked whther directly of via an agent etc.


Hopefully. The convo should be Bournemouth buy him for £Xmill 5 year deal, you play at least another year /18 months in SPFL with Hibs then off you pop to the EPL.

[Saint Hibee]

These conferences are pointless eh. Vente no immediate signs of leaving? He is in Holland to sign.

JDH - nobody ever asks what's actually wrong with him.

I was also just wondering what's actually wrong with JDH. And Youan, too, for that matter.

[Lago]

Vente in Holland for medical

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Not according to Gray, or maybe hasn't been told :greengrin

[Big_Franck]

I was also just wondering what's actually wrong with JDH. And Youan, too, for that matter.

I'd think Youan will still be recovering from the injury he got in the collision at the end of the Queens Park game.

With JDH who knowns, as they rarely give us any info on him. They don't even bother mentioning him amongst the injury updates a lot of the time. I gave up hoping he'd contribute anything a long time ago anyway.

[bingo70]

I'd think Youan will still be recovering from the injury he got in the collision at the end of the Queens Park game.

With JDH who knowns, as they rarely give us any info on him. They don't even bother mentioning him amongst the injury updates a lot of the time. I gave up hoping he'd contribute anything a long time ago anyway.

Did Gray not say that Youann would be out for two weeks? Surely the Queen’s Park game was more than a fortnight ago?!

I agree with Brightside, these conferences and manager interviews are a waste of time for the most part, managers in general, not just Gray, have perfected the art of speaking without saying anything and journalists are scared to ask any questions they’re not supposed to, presumably in case they’re not allowed back.

[CentreForward]

One way of maybe looking at it is who would you rather have in the side? Youan, no doubt a talented player who can be a real goal threat, but probably doesn’t do it often enough, and often gives the impression he doesn’t want to be here, or McCowan who certainly could possibly really help to at least partly transform our less than great midfield. With McCowan possibly available at nearly a third of the price of Youan the choice seems almost obvious!

[Donegal Hibby]

They would get a full season of him playing for them though. None of us know what value they place on that.

A full season of having McCowan could be beneficial to thembut it’s a massive risk on their part when they could end up 100k , 150k or nothing at all for him .

I think they would need to qualify for Europe in order to make it worthwhile in keeping him which I think the odds are against them doing in fairness.

They are well within their rights to value their player at what they want , I do think if we have went 750k it’s a more than a fair offer and if it’s rejected it’s time to move on though.

[greenlex]

Did Gray not say that Youann would be out for two weeks? Surely the Queen’s Park game was more than a fortnight ago?!

I agree with Brightside, these conferences and manager interviews are a waste of time for the most part, managers in general, not just Gray, have perfected the art of speaking without saying anything and journalists are scared to ask any questions they’re not supposed to, presumably in case they’re not allowed back.
Not seen the conference but assume it’s one for the weekends game. If journalists are asking questions he has to answer them even if it’s waffle. He obviously can’t or doesn't want to show our hand to what’s happening behind the scenes just like every other manager on the planet does.
I guess my point is the conference is supposed to be about the weekends game and not what is ultimately speculation at this stage. They really aren't or at least shouldn’t be a waste of time.

[GloryGlory]

Did Gray not say that Youann would be out for two weeks? Surely the Queen’s Park game was more than a fortnight ago?!

I agree with Brightside, these conferences and manager interviews are a waste of time for the most part, managers in general, not just Gray, have perfected the art of speaking without saying anything and journalists are scared to ask any questions they’re not supposed to, presumably in case they’re not allowed back.

QP game was on 16 July - 4 weeks ago. Maybe Youan is being wrapped in cotton wool in anticipation of a sale?

[Donegal Hibby]

One way of maybe looking at it is who would you rather have in the side? Youan, no doubt a talented player who can be a real goal threat, but probably doesn’t do it often enough, and often gives the impression he doesn’t want to be here, or McCowan who certainly could possibly really help to at least partly transform our less than great midfield. With McCowan possibly available at nearly a third of the price of Youan the choice seems almost obvious!

I think we only paid about 500k for Youan who is younger though.

[Springbank]

Behave yourself. Lennon Miller. Boy will go championship in next few years for big money and I would put a decent amount on him playing in the premier league at some point in his career.

Thanks but I am behaving

Very kind of you to mention

Do you recall a guy called John McGinn?

No way we'd ever sign him. Behaviour. He's headed for Englands Prem & Champions League

Hibs,should never have ambitions to sign that kind of player - is that the line? Wanted to check pal

[Springbank]

Hopefully. The convo should be Bournemouth buy him for £Xmill 5 year deal, you play at least another year /18 months in SPFL with Hibs then off you pop to the EPL.

That's how Foley can work with the grain of Scottish football & make good money and all the while making Hibs better

[Centre Hawf]

QP game was on 16 July - 4 weeks ago. Maybe Youan is being wrapped in cotton wool in anticipation of a sale?

I saw Elie down Portobello way still limping yesterday after he got dropped off by someone in a black Range Rover so I wouldn't expect to see him this side of the window closing if he's still not 100%

[TrinityHFC]

QP game was on 16 July - 4 weeks ago. Maybe Youan is being wrapped in cotton wool in anticipation of a sale?

Think it is just a bit worse than they thought initially. In the interview at the time Gray actually said a few weeks before quickly changing to two.

[HibsGW]

Elie Youan sharing a video of him and Maolida playing together for Hibs and he’s added the words “5%” over it. Maolida’s move to Saudi not went through yet, get him in.

[04Sauzee]

You may well be right - my point is more for the Bill Foleys of this world

750k gets you someone who may increase a bit in value

But with a younger hungry midfielder like Miller you get into the Steven Fletcher / John McGinn sell on fee world

If Foleys people are serious about making money via Scottish football that's the kind of deal they should be doing via Hibs

Lennon Miller and David Watson both good young talents that Bournemouth could sign and probably make money on even if they don't play for Bournemouth.

[LunasBoots]

Bolton and Hibs had bids accepted seemingly, Bolton offering more wages.

[BH Hibs]

Bolton and Hibs had bids accepted seemingly, Bolton offering more wages.

For who?

[Unseen work]

Bolton and Hibs had bids accepted seemingly, Bolton offering more wages.

Where you seeing this?

Cmon Hibs….

[Heisenberg]

For who?

It’ll be McCowan. They are interested too

[04Sauzee]

Were you seeing this?

Cmon Hibs….

The bounce?

[davhibby]

Thanks but I am behaving

Very kind of you to mention

Do you recall a guy called John McGinn?

No way we'd ever sign him. Behaviour. He's headed for Englands Prem & Champions League

Hibs,should never have ambitions to sign that kind of player - is that the line? Wanted to check pal

McGinn was out of contract and all we needed to pay was compensation. Motherwell will be looking for 4/5 million if he was to go now. As someone mentioned above it’s the sort of signing we should be encouraging Bournemouth to make where we get him on loan as part of the deal. He’ll easily be a Premier League player in a couple of years

[Donegal Hibby]

Bolton and Hibs had bids accepted seemingly, Bolton offering more wages.

If Bolton are offering more wages then I doubt we’ll get him .

[TrinityHFC]

If Bolton are offering more wages then I doubt we’ll get him .

I doubt anyone knows the truth of that.

[Earlydelivery]

I’ve just been told we’ve had a bid accepted.. don’t know about the Bolton bid

[LunasBoots]

If Bolton are offering more wages then I doubt we’ll get him .

Hopefully we do get him and hopefully there's nothing in the Bolton bid

[tamig]

750k was over the odds to begin with for a player of his age, and his contract status in my view. But I do understand Dundee need to look out for themselves first and I could rationalise us spending that amount if we have it in the budget to do so. But anything beyond that is absolutely criminal and I'd rather run the risk of him going somewhere else on a pre contract in January than spend anywhere near £1m.

If anything just take the transfer money and offer a chunk of it to Allan Campbell as a signing bonus and call it a day.

The guy is coming into his prime. He’s no veteran at “his age”.

[J-C]

Campbell didn’t have a man.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUygiQQWkAA9X-t?format=jpg&name=large

The 4 players attracted to the ball and not looking at McGregor are the main culprits here.

[TrinityHibby]

I’ve just been told we’ve had a bid accepted.. don’t know about the Bolton bid

is your source credible?

[Earlydelivery]

is your source credible?
Yes ... both of them ..

[Unseen work]

Yes ... both of them ..

Brilliant news

Hopefully deal is concluded quickly

[Centre Hawf]

The guy is coming into his prime. He’s no veteran at “his age”.

I think if Hibs were to sign someone for 7 figures it would need to be an age that allows for the return on it (there really isn't for him) or we're looking at 10 years of games for the fee.

[TrinityHibby]

Yes ... both of them ..

🤞…unless they are named dumb and dumber 😂😂

[Exuberance1875]

Maybe been mentioned and NHC, however Celtic paying 9.5m for Idah when they could have potential got Mivoksi for less doesn’t make sense to me

[flash]

Maybe been mentioned and NHC, however Celtic paying 9.5m for Idah when they could have potential got Mivoksi for less doesn’t make sense to me

Absolutely agree. Miovski has a touch of class.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Maybe been mentioned and NHC, however Celtic paying 9.5m for Idah when they could have potential got Mivoksi for less doesn’t make sense to me

Where did Miovski end up? Girona? I know where I’d rather play my football

[Unseen work]

If we get in Europe next season that pays for McCowan

[Wilson]

I think if Hibs were to sign someone for 7 figures it would need to be an age that allows for the return on it (there really isn't for him) or we're looking at 10 years of games for the fee.

I think in an ideal world your view is correct. However, short term we probably need to wear the cost to get the right man in. Paying too much regard to projects and potential sell on has gotten us into this mess.

[kentao]

I think if Hibs were to sign someone for 7 figures it would need to be an age that allows for the return on it (there really isn't for him) or we're looking at 10 years of games for the fee.

He's only 26, 5 years younger than super Joe Newell, If he's still here in 5 years and leaves for free I'd still feel like we got a bargain for him. You never know he might only be here for 2 years before netting us a profit.

[JohnM1875]

If we get in Europe next season that pays for McCowan

And if we don't and still finish bottom six the club get battered for paying £750k for player in the last 9 months of his contract.

I think he's a good player and I want us to sign him. I just think it's a lot of money to pay.

[Real Emerald]

And if we don't and still finish bottom six the club get battered for paying £750k for player in the last 9 months of his contract.

I think he's a good player and I want us to sign him. I just think it's a lot of money to pay.

He’s proven in this league and is just entering what should be his prime years. What’s the alternative?

[Centre Hawf]

I think in an ideal world your view is correct. However, short term we probably need to wear the cost to get the right man in. Paying too much regard to projects and potential sell on has gotten us into this mess.

I don't disagree, I'd rather spend it on him for a proven player now than split it across 5 more Delferriere and Jairs. My biggest concern is if we over reached for him and it backfires that is a huge amount gone from probably the next few windows budget. Can we afford to take that considerable size of a risk right now?

If I'm Ian G/Ben K the last thing I want is my name attached to a club record dud who was available on a pre in 6 months time.

[JohnM1875]

He’s proven in this league and is just entering what should be his prime years. What’s the alternative?

Plenty of players have had a good season in this league. I get you probably need to act on that cause if they have a good second season they're probably out our reach.

[Centre Hawf]

He’s proven in this league and is just entering what should be his prime years. What’s the alternative?

Not overpay now and hope he's cheaper in Jan or is still up for it on a free next summer. Look at someone like Campbell in the meantime.

[hibeerealist]

I don't disagree, I'd rather spend it on him for a proven player now than split it across 5 more Delferriere and Jairs. My biggest concern is if we over reached for him and it backfires that is a huge amount gone from probably the next few windows budget. Can we afford to take that considerable size of a risk right now?

If I'm Ian G/Ben K the last thing I want is my name attached to a club record dud who was available on a pre in 6 months time.


No chance we get him on a pre!

Our chance is now and I hope we get him.

[Real Emerald]

Not overpay now and hope he's cheaper in Jan or is still up for it on a free next summer. Look at someone like Campbell in the meantime.

If he has another great first half of the season there will be other more lucrative offers for him to consider. We’re pretty desperate right now and if we’re interested in a player from a rival club we either pay the asking price or go down the experimental route again. You pay your money, you take your chance. It’s an educated gamble but all of them are a gamble. £750k in modern day football is chicken feed.

[jeffers]

I don't disagree, I'd rather spend it on him for a proven player now than split it across 5 more Delferriere and Jairs. My biggest concern is if we over reached for him and it backfires that is a huge amount gone from probably the next few windows budget. Can we afford to take that considerable size of a risk right now?

If I'm Ian G/Ben K the last thing I want is my name attached to a club record dud who was available on a pre in 6 months time.

Not having a go at you, ‘cos you are probably right, but this is where Ian Gordon and Kensell can’t win with some fans. If McCowan turns out to be a dud that’s down to David Gray, Mackay and Marshall, not for the guys who backed them in signing a player they really wanted.

[Hibees1973]

Not sure he's worth that.

I'm certain he's not worth that.

Crazy amount of money for McCowan.

[Real Emerald]

I'm certain he's not worth that.

Crazy amount of money for McCowan.

We got £1m for Melkerson, not sure he was worth that either.

[USA_Hibee]

Not having a go at you, ‘cos you are probably right, but this is where Ian Gordon and Kensell can’t win with some fans. If McCowan turns out to be a dud that’s down to David Gray, Mackay and Marshall, not for the guys who backed them in signing a player they really wanted.
Spot on.

[kentao]

I'm certain he's not worth that.

Crazy amount of money for McCowan.

He`s one of the best midfielders in the league, Dundee fans on their forum are saying they value him at 1.5m and would be struggling to replace him for the same money never mind for the alleged £750k. Some of us are starting to sound like the Celtic fans with regards to SJM.

[ruthven_raiders]

Brilliant news

Hopefully deal is concluded quickly

If bolton had bid accepted too, then up to player, first division in England and more wages or Hibs.....I don't know what his thinking will be....

[JimBHibees]

The 4 players attracted to the ball and not looking at McGregor are the main culprits here.

Absolutely shambolic really like a primary school team

[Lago]

I'm certain he's not worth that.

Crazy amount of money for McCowan.
To be honest until his name started circulating on here can't say I had ever heard of him.

[greenlex]

To be honest until his name started circulating on here can't say I had ever heard of him.

Seriously? You hadn’t heard or taken note of him at all last season.?

[Real Emerald]

Absolutely shambolic really like a primary school team

There should also be someone in the team trying to organise it. It’s poor discipline from all of them and no one on the pitch trying to organise it either.

[Lago]

If Bolton are offering more wages then I doubt we’ll get him .
Yip, no brainier for the boy.

[dmc1875]

To be honest until his name started circulating on here can't say I had ever heard of him.

Had a very good season last year, was best player on the park in the Dundee Derby & Hearts fans want them to be interested in him after the weekend.

He’s a player that is worth the risk IMO and the fee, especially when you consider some of the fees others have gone for.

If DG and DM want him then I’m glad the board are trying everything to get him.

[Hibees1973]

We got £1m for Melkerson, not sure he was worth that either.

Is it fact we got £1m for Melkersen up front, or was it one of these transfers that if Melkersen scores so many goals, gets a full cap, etc, it might eventually amount to this. When Hibs disclosed the fee, it was met with general surprise.

The transfer fee quote came from Kensell, which gives me some doubt that the £1m fee up front is fact. I for one would like to see the £1m in our accounts to know we got that for him, maybe someone will know this for sure. I just don't trust Kensell, along with others on here.

There seems to be a trend nowadays for transfer fees to be undisclosed, which makes the 'known' Melkersen fee go against the grain.

My initial thought is that paying £750k+ for McCowan, in the last year of his contract at Dundee is excessive and smacks of desperation. However, it can be argued it is balanced if we got an excessive fee for Melkersen.

It does appear that the Foley money is beginning to get spent, which is good. However, the discomfort of some on here stems from the rumoured fees we have paid for failures such as Vente (£750k) & Levitt (£300k) for example. Time will tell if our transfer strategy under MacKay has improved our success rate.

[Real Emerald]

Yip, no brainier for the boy.

It depends what the wage difference is and what his personal circumstances are. He could very well disappear in that league and never be heard of again. A good wage from Hibs and a standout season in the SPL could get him International recognition on his doorstep. Only he will know what’s best. The odds are stacked in the Bolton option though.

[Waxy]

Probably be worth it to stay in Scotland if there isnt a significant amount of money between Hibs and Bolton.
Bolton wont be fun.

[Real Emerald]

Is it fact we got £1m for Melkersen up front, or was it one of these transfers that if Melkersen scores so many goals, gets a full cap, etc, it might eventually amount to this. When Hibs disclosed the fee, it was met with general surprise.

The transfer fee quote came from Kensell, which gives me some doubt that the £1m fee up front is fact. I for one would like to see the £1m in our accounts to know we got that for him, maybe someone will know this for sure. I just don't trust Kensell, along with others on here.

There seems to be a trend nowadays for transfer fees to be undisclosed, which makes the 'known' Melkersen fee go against the grain.

My initial thought is that paying £750k+ for McCowan, in the last year of his contract at Dundee is excessive and smacks of desperation. However, it can be argued it is balanced if we got an excessive fee for Melkersen.

It does appear that the Foley money is beginning to get spent, which is good. However, the discomfort of some on here stems from the rumoured fees we have paid for failures such as Vente (£750k) & Levitt (£300k) for example. Time will tell if our transfer strategy under MacKay has improved our success rate.

Everything you’ve said is correct., can’t argue with any of it. We need to upgrade our midfield and McCowan would be a great addition. Is it desperation, probably, is it too much dosh, maybe, is it worth the risk? Who knows but we have to upgrade our midfield and it’s an educated risk but it’s still a risk none the less.

[hibeerealist]

There should also be someone in the team trying to organise it. It’s poor discipline from all of them and no one on the pitch trying to organise it either.


The captain??

[babahibs]

If the McCowan deal falls through, who do we then target?

Kensell and Gordon obvs

[Real Emerald]

The captain??

Well I hope he’s not the Captain on my next cruise. 😂😂

[flash]

I want us to sign a good midfielder who will improve us.

What the club pay to get him is between the clubs.

[Real Emerald]

Kensell and Gordon obvs

😂 👍👍

[04Sauzee]

Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but Scott Burns is saying there is absolutely no interest in Sidebeh from Aberdeen, all the noise is from his camp, obviously looking for a move.

Also doesn't look like Aberdeen will be signing Ibane Bowat either

[Centre Hawf]

If he has another great first half of the season there will be other more lucrative offers for him to consider. We’re pretty desperate right now and if we’re interested in a player from a rival club we either pay the asking price or go down the experimental route again. You pay your money, you take your chance. It’s an educated gamble but all of them are a gamble. £750k in modern day football is chicken feed.

It is chicken feed in the modern day at some levels, but bare in mind that it would also be close to being our record ever transfer. I don't really have a problem paying for him in that ball park figure to get him now, as you say another stellar first half of the season and he's probably not going to commit to us at least until the summer once he's assessed all his options. But I don't fully believe we can't get him, if he's interested in a move to us this window (which our bids suggest he is) then I can't see why he wouldn't still consider us in January or next summer. But if we're talking paying 7 figures for a player that would I think make us the first club outside the old firm to do so, and to do it for a guy with 12 months left of his contract is starting to feel like silly season to me.


Not having a go at you, ‘cos you are probably right, but this is where Ian Gordon and Kensell can’t win with some fans. If McCowan turns out to be a dud that’s down to David Gray, Mackay and Marshall, not for the guys who backed them in signing a player they really wanted.

I agree completely. He's a player the manager wants, we have a Sporting Director that I can only assume also wants him, we also have a fanbase foaming at the mouth for us to get him. If Ian/Ben put the money up for it then they can wash their hands of its failure in my eyes.

But considering they also did the same for Harry McKirdy, who also had fans going feral against the club when the rumours were that we were being stingy on the bid for him, they backed Lee Johnson and paid the cash for him. They're still copping criticisms for it today and I wouldn't blame them for doubting this deal the higher the value goes up.

[Hibees1973]

Everything you’ve said is correct., can’t argue with any of it. We need to upgrade our midfield and McCowan would be a great addition. Is it desperation, probably, is it too much dosh, maybe, is it worth the risk? Who knows but we have to upgrade our midfield and it’s an educated risk but it’s still a risk none the less.

We need midfielders, no doubt. The last two games exposed our weak and ineffective midfield. All transfers are a risk, but the risk increases when the fee becomes higher. McCowan, if he signs, could be Hibs record transfer fee, ever.

Maybe there are some others that were around 750k. Vente was around this but most of us would be delighted to recoup half this at the moment. There was talk at the time that De La Cruz cost nearly a million, but I'm sure shortly afterwards McLeish poured cold water on this.

It is promising Hibs seem to be spending and trying to improve. I just have doubts we have the correct people spending it.

[Souter96Mac]

Bolton's a hole, come to the Capital Luke

[ancient hibee]

We need midfielders, no doubt. The last two games exposed our weak and ineffective midfield. All transfers are a risk, but the risk increases when the fee becomes higher. McCowan, if he signs, could be Hibs record transfer fee, ever.

Maybe there are some others that were around 750k. Vente was around this but most of us would be delighted to recoup half this at the moment. There was talk at the time that De La Cruz cost nearly a million, but I'm sure shortly afterwards McLeish poured cold water on this.

It is promising Hibs seem to be spending and trying to improve. I just have doubts we have the correct people spending it.

So you don’t trust the judgement of Gray and McKay in wanting McCowan?

[tamig]

I think if Hibs were to sign someone for 7 figures it would need to be an age that allows for the return on it (there really isn't for him) or we're looking at 10 years of games for the fee.

Every player we sign doesn’t need to necessarily turn a profit or have a decent resale value. If McCowan has an outstanding two years with us, we could still make decent money if other clubs were to come in for him after that. He’s only 26 ffs!

[NC1875]

But considering they also did the same for Harry McKirdy, who also had fans going feral against the club when the rumours were that we were being stingy on the bid for him, they backed Lee Johnson and paid the cash for him. They're still copping criticisms for it today and I wouldn't blame them for doubting this deal the higher the value goes up.

No one was screaming for us to sign Harry McKirdy!

[Real Emerald]

We need midfielders, no doubt. The last two games exposed our weak and ineffective midfield. All transfers are a risk, but the risk increases when the fee becomes higher. McCowan, if he signs, could be Hibs record transfer fee, ever.

Maybe there are some others that were around 750k. Vente was around this but most of us would be delighted to recoup half this at the moment. There was talk at the time that De La Cruz cost nearly a million, but I'm sure shortly afterwards McLeish poured cold water on this.

It is promising Hibs seem to be spending and trying to improve. I just have doubts we have the correct people spending it.

I definitely 💯 have my doubts about the people spending it too. The problem is we need midfielders and they are the only people who can deliver them at this moment. McCowan may not be John McGinn but he’s proved he’s effective in this league, other than bringing in another journeyman from England what’s the options. I hope we get him and I obviously hope he’s a brilliant success, time will tell. 🤞

[JimBHibees]

So you don’t trust the judgement of Gray and McKay in wanting McCowan?

McCowan is an excellent player and would immediately improve our team. Would make him captain also if we sign him

[Callum_62]

McCowan is an excellent player and would immediately improve our team. Would make him captain also if we sign himCan't see that happening unless we are getting rid of Newell (which I also can't see)

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[Centre Hawf]

Every player we sign doesn’t need to necessarily turn a profit or have a decent resale value. If McCowan has an outstanding two years with us, we could still make decent money if other clubs were to come in for him after that. He’s only 26 ffs!

I don't disagree, I think it's perfectly acceptable to buy a player that you know you'll never see any return on other than performances on the park to deliver success, especially if that player is a no brainer addition to the side. An extreme example of that was probably Fergie buying Van Persie at the age he was. But he was the missing piece of the puzzle for a few seasons for them and when he was older they basically wrote off the fee they paid for him.

But the reality of it is he will be 27 in December, lets say he does have two good seasons for us at £1m this window. Anyone that wants to sign him in 2026 will likely be looking at it going "he's 29 this season, do we want to spend 7 figures on him?".

It's the same as why no one is meeting Hearts ridiculous valuation for Shankland knowing full well his contract is also up next season. I think he'd be a fantastic addition to Rangers for example, but they obviously know that the cost at the moment is just too high for them all things considered. Instead Miovski at his much younger age was the one to go get a lucrative move despite scoring quite a chunk less than Shankland over the last two seasons.

[Centre Hawf]

No one was screaming for us to sign Harry McKirdy!

I assume you weren't on Twitter that transfer window because there was definitely a lot of noise about him there.

[JimBHibees]

Can't see that happening unless we are getting rid of Newell (which I also can't see)

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Wishful thinking

[JimBHibees]

I assume you weren't on Twitter that transfer window because there was definitely a lot of noise about him there.

Yes especially when looked like deal falling through

[Centre Hawf]

Yes especially when looked like deal falling through

https://x.com/Football_Scot/status/1565397479956398082/quotes

You only need to read the quote tweets and replies to this to see how badly people wanted McKirdy. The club pulled all the stops to get him and then got beat over the head with him when it turned out he was quite *****.

[HoboHarry]

No one was screaming for us to sign Harry McKirdy!
It was a last minute transfer window deal IIRC and there were plenty screaming at the time when it looked like it wasn't going to happen.

[Hibees1973]

No one was screaming for us to sign Harry McKirdy!

I can assure you there were, many of them.

They are just keeping their counsel now.

[Donegal Hibby]

Campbell didn’t have a man.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUygiQQWkAA9X-t?format=jpg&name=large

Neither did Newell moments later , quite surprised as the Captain he’s not roaring on one of the four players to get out and cover McGregor when he had a perfect view of it .

Besides being a cracking strike if that was against say St mirren , Aberdeen you’d probably be getting a Gogic , O’Hara or Shinnie nearer to McGregor and throwing themselves in trying to block it .

[hibees 7062]

McCowan is an excellent player and would immediately improve our team. Would make him captain also if we sign him

https://youtu.be/ZyBGGPWXll4?t=3

[Brightside]

Yes ... both of them ..

If the bid is accepted he is coming. We were just waiting on that. Player isnt an issue.

[JohnM1875]

If the bid is accepted he is coming. We were just waiting on that. Player isnt an issue.

You're going to get so much grief if McCowan ends up rejecting us 😂

[Kato]

were plenty screaming

Not like Hibs fans, I wonder who on earth that could have been?

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[04Sauzee]

If the bid is accepted he is coming. We were just waiting on that. Player isnt an issue.

Thoughts on it happening before the Dundee game?

[matty_f]

I can assure you there were, many of them.

They are just keeping their counsel now.

:agree: the hysteria was something else.

[CL0762]

I’m far from BK/IG biggest fan however if McCowan comes in the door there can be absolutely no argument that they again have backed the manager, considering we’ve paid a good fee for Bowie as well.

McCowan is someone I’m not looking for “oh what resale value can he have”. He’s someone I’m looking to be a central focal point of the side for 4/5 years.

[Donegal Hibby]

Celtic are rumoured to have received a £23 million offer for O’Riley which is said they might accept. Hopefully won’t change anything on us getting McCowan as they are said to be eyeing up a midfielder called Arne Engels .

[Lago]

Seriously? You hadn’t heard or taken note of him at all last season.?
Honestly no never registered 🤷

[jeffers]

If the bid is accepted he is coming. We were just waiting on that. Player isnt an issue.

:agree: We are not going to put in multiple bids for a player if we don’t already know he’s willing to come.

[tamig]

I don't disagree, I think it's perfectly acceptable to buy a player that you know you'll never see any return on other than performances on the park to deliver success, especially if that player is a no brainer addition to the side. An extreme example of that was probably Fergie buying Van Persie at the age he was. But he was the missing piece of the puzzle for a few seasons for them and when he was older they basically wrote off the fee they paid for him.

But the reality of it is he will be 27 in December, lets say he does have two good seasons for us at £1m this window. Anyone that wants to sign him in 2026 will likely be looking at it going "he's 29 this season, do we want to spend 7 figures on him?".

It's the same as why no one is meeting Hearts ridiculous valuation for Shankland knowing full well his contract is also up next season. I think he'd be a fantastic addition to Rangers for example, but they obviously know that the cost at the moment is just too high for them all things considered. Instead Miovski at his much younger age was the one to go get a lucrative move despite scoring quite a chunk less than Shankland over the last two seasons.

The point being that you don’t need to get all your money back. If he is great for two years and is going into the last year of a 3 year deal - who knows what length any deal might be - we could still get several hundred thousand at that time. But its not about resale value for a player entering his prime footballing years. You seem a bit fixated on us getting our money back.

[SteveHFC]

Sun saying our £750k bid has been rejected and Celtic are wanting McCowan.

[Trinity Hibee]

Sun saying our £750k bid has been rejected and Celtic are wanting McCowan.

If that’s the case, we move on

[JohnM1875]

Sun saying our £750k bid has been rejected and Celtic are wanting McCowan.

If it's true then there's only one place he's ending up, Celtic fan apparently. Potentially just more Sun bollocks though.

If true though, hope we have a backup in mind, chat is we've been chasing McCowan for months.

[matty_f]

Can’t imagine the Celtc fans would be over the moon at selling a player for the best part of £25m and replacing him with one at £750k.

[Unseen work]

Sun saying our £750k bid has been rejected and Celtic are wanting McCowan.

Can only but try, well done to Hibs and the board for trying hard for him.

League is a mess with Celtic buying players for the sake of it and selling their B team players for 3 millions whilst being unwilling to pay that amount for the majority of Scottish talent.

Further signs we can’t compete and it shouldn’t be a surprise when we get battered off them

[JohnM1875]

Can’t imagine the Celtc fans would be over the moon at selling a player for the best part of £25m and replacing him with one at £750k.

Trying to sign some young boy from Augsburg for £10m, Arne Engels. McCowan signing doesn't make sense to me.

[Heisenberg]

Sun saying our £750k bid has been rejected and Celtic are wanting McCowan.

Can’t moan at the club for not getting him, £750k is a big offer. If Celtc actually want him then we’ve no chance obviously, I’d be very surprised if they did though.

“SunSport understands Dens chiefs expect an offer from Celtic for McCowan.”

Doesn’t seem very concrete tbf. Probably about time the club moved on though, don’t think he’s worth more than that offer.

[Jim44]

Sun saying our £750k bid has been rejected and Celtic are wanting McCowan.

If they really want him, he’s there already.

[HendoDelivered]

Trying to sign some young boy from Augsburg for £10m, Arne Engels. McCowan signing doesn't make sense to me.

Will literally warm their bench, just like Turnbull did.

[Jones28]

Will literally warm their bench, just like Turnbull did.

And Allan, and Riordan and how many others.

[B.H.F.C]

I’ve never been convinced we’ll get McCowan but I’d be even more surprised if he ended up at Celtic. For totally different reasons obviously.

[JohnM1875]

Will literally warm their bench, just like Turnbull did.

Celtic midfielders;

Tomoki Iwata
Liam Shaw
Matt O'Riley (Sell him and add in the Arne Engels)
Reo Hatate
Callum McGregor
Paulo Bernardo
Odin Thiago Holm

Can't see McCowan getting much game time.

[Real Emerald]

Sun saying our £750k bid has been rejected and Celtic are wanting McCowan.

Forget it then, no way we go higher IMO. He won’t get a game for Celtic but that’s the way of things unfortunately.

[B.H.F.C]

And Allan, and Riordan and how many others.

With the way things have subsequently went for Allan, health wise, you can see why players are happy to warm the bench if they get the chance of a big contract. Never know what’s round the corner.

[JohnM1875]

Forget it then, no way we go higher IMO. He won’t get a game for Celtic but that’s the way of things unfortunately.

Totally. No point in going higher if it's Celtic we're competing with

[Pytheas]

Celtic midfielders;

Tomoki Iwata
Liam Shaw
Matt O'Riley (Sell him and add in the Arne Engels)
Reo Hatate
Callum McGregor
Paulo Bernardo
Odin Thiago Holm

Can't see McCowan getting much game time.

They're after Renato Tapia from Celta Vigo as well who would come in as a big earner.

I'd be surprised if McCowan ended up at Hibs but i'd be shocked if he went to Celtic, especially for a fee.

[Callum_62]

I'd be very surprised if there's anything in the Celtic link

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[HoboHarry]

I'd be wondering about sanity levels at Celtic Park if they bought him. He would do well for us in the league without doubt but would he make Celtic a better CL team? Doubtful in my mind.

[Col2]

He won’t be going to Celtic. Dundee are playing the game to panic Hibs and other clubs (bolton).

We should move on for now if they have not accepted our bid or willing to enter final negotiations.

I still think he will end up at ER before the end of the window

[CentreForward]

Just reading it now in the Sun and gutting that it appears to be all over as really wanted him. Only possible hope is that this is just Dundee trying to talk things up with Celtic and hoping to spark interest from them that may or may not be there.

[HFC93]

No chance he is going to Celtic.

[ElginHibbie]

He won’t be going to Celtic. Dundee are playing the game to panic Hibs and other clubs (bolton).

We should move on for now if they have not accepted our bid or willing to enter final negotiations.

I still think he will end up at ER before the end of the window

Whilst I hope Hibs are looking at other targets wouldn't surprise me if Dundee's tune suddenly changes at full time after our game with them weekend after next

[HendoDelivered]

He won’t be going to Celtic. Dundee are playing the game to panic Hibs and other clubs (bolton).

We should move on for now if they have not accepted our bid or willing to enter final negotiations.

I still think he will end up at ER before the end of the window

Really hope you are right!

[Centre Hawf]

The point being that you don’t need to get all your money back. If he is great for two years and is going into the last year of a 3 year deal - who knows what length any deal might be - we could still get several hundred thousand at that time. But its not about resale value for a player entering his prime footballing years. You seem a bit fixated on us getting our money back.

I'm only fixated on it because it's how clubs will think. I'm not even saying what approach is the right one here either, I'm perfectly happy to see us sign McCowan, tie him to a 5 year deal and just get 5 great years out of him and remember him as an excellent player for us.

You're also absolutely right that we could spend £1m and get 2 or 3 good years and get half of that back, most of us at that point would say it's been a very good signing if he turns out to be the cog in the machine that gets us European group stages or a trophy in that time. But that's what Hibs will be taking into consideration when bidding, is it possible to get anything back or do we think this guy is worth writing off £1m entirely for? How high can we go before it has a knock on impact onto budgets for next season or beyond?

You may not agree with what I'm saying and that's fine, but you only need to look across the board at how transfers are done now to see that anyone spending a significant amount of money by their clubs standard is doing so on players who are young enough to have resale value or potentially could be long term players at that club. We will be no different when considering how high we want to bid for McCowan.

[Real Emerald]

No chance he is going to Celtic.

I honestly can’t see it either, they’re surely not looking at McCowan to be the linch pin for their midfield. He’s obviously quite entitled to go there and try and pick up big wages but he would never play. How many players have Celtic ruined over the years by buying them up and they’re never seen again. It’s up to him though,

[Unseen work]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Celtic did want him.

Central 3 of McGregor, O’Riley and Hatate is brilliant.

But good chance they will lose O’Riley and Hatate. Even if they spend money to replace them, which they will, it’s how they adapt etc

I don’t think they’re keen on playing guys like Iwata, Holm etc so he’d maybe get a decent amount of minutes

[EGL2000]

He's not good enough for Celtic in my opinion.

[JohnM1875]

Why would Celtic pay a fee though? I get its chump change to them, but they could just get him to sign a pre-contract in Jan. Lets be honest, they'll walk the league this season without signing McCowan.

[NGoloGrantie]

Why would Celtic pay a fee though? I get its chump change to them, but they could just get him to sign a pre-contract in Jan. Lets be honest, they'll walk the league this season without signing McCowan.

Agreed John. Celtic going in for him doesn’t make sense at all. The fact they made that boy from Augsburg their top target today also makes me question it even more why they would need him. It is the old firm though eh and they can get whoever they want [emoji2369]


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[HoboHarry]

Why would Celtic pay a fee though? I get its chump change to them, but they could just get him to sign a pre-contract in Jan. Lets be honest, they'll walk the league this season without signing McCowan.
Kind of what I was alluding to earlier - they're streets ahead of everyone else in the League, including Sevco. If they want to start making real money they need to start spending real money and buying CL quality players and not players we are trying to buy.

[Donegal Hibby]

He's not good enough for Celtic in my opinion.

Probably be seen as a squad player for them that will probably cost them 1million which is peanuts to them even without the 23 mill they are getting for O’Riley.

[ElginHibbie]

Why would Celtic pay a fee though? I get its chump change to them, but they could just get him to sign a pre-contract in Jan. Lets be honest, they'll walk the league this season without signing McCowan.

Only thing I can think of is would be as a stopgap as others signings get up to speed with Scottish game, if McCowan does somehow end up at Celtic he will 100% be loaned out to another premiership club next summer

[JohnM1875]

Only thing I can think of is would be as a stopgap as others signings get up to speed with Scottish game, if McCowan does somehow end up at Celtic he will 100% be loaned out to another premiership club next summer

I get your point, but he'd be moving from Dundee to Celtic, so completely new set of expectations and style of play. I get he's Scottish but it would definitely take him time to adapt and get up to speed with it as well.

[Real Emerald]

Probably be seen as a squad player for them that will probably cost them 1million which is peanuts to them even without the 23 mill they are getting for O’Riley.

It’s what they’ve done for as long as I can remember. They hoover up any decent Scottish players, pay them better wages than anyone else in Scotland can and let them rot on the bench or reserves. The players are happy with the wages and chance to get a medal or two. It’s pathetic but if I put myself in the same position, I’d be confident I’d do enough to convince them I’d be in their first team, and if not, get paid handsomely anyway.

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s what they’ve done for as long as I can remember. They hoover up any decent Scottish players, pay them better wages than anyone else in Scotland can and let them rot on the bench or reserves. The players are happy with the wages and chance to get a medal or two. It’s pathetic but if I put myself in the same position, I’d be confident I’d do enough to convince them I’d be in their first team, and if not, get paid handsomely anyway.

It’s disappointing but the money if accurate that has been talked about we were going to spend on him , hopefully we have another quality midfielder lined up soon .

[Real Emerald]

It’s disappointing but the money if accurate that has been talked about we were going to spend on him , hopefully we have another quality midfielder lined up soon .

I suppose it’s all just speculation at the moment so fingers crossed something may still happen. 🤞

[CentreForward]

Given the fact that Celtic always seem to have either stolen targets away from us or raided us for either players or managers such as Stein, I find it absolutely incredible that they actually lent us Kwon!

[cubehindthegoal]

He won’t be going to Celtic. Dundee are playing the game to panic Hibs and other clubs (bolton).

We should move on for now if they have not accepted our bid or willing to enter final negotiations.

I still think he will end up at ER before the end of the window

There are other midfielders just as promising out there you will get for 3/4 mill in the market as it stands … Hibs hopefully are aware of others and I would say move on them now … Dundee … my guess is that they sound like they are hoping to draw in lower English team to the table to up the offer a little and max it for themselves .. we need to move on .. if they don’t succeed they will come back to us … they’ve a lot to lose not selling …and we need to not get desperate .. we have made mistakes in past … Vente seems to be one … let’s not panic buy just because the scottish media push it … we need two midfielders still I think … but don’t get drawn into games about one player … have a few irons in the fire if we have the money to spend … they want the money being waved … so wave it in more than one direction. Just make sure it’s towards players that are actually worth it … there are a few around

[HoboHarry]

Given the fact that Celtic always seem to have either stolen targets away from us or raided us for either players or managers such as Stein, I find it absolutely incredible that they actually lent us Kwon!

They helped us win the cup by giving us Anthony Stokes. Just saying......

[cubehindthegoal]

They helped us win the cup by giving us Anthony Stokes. Just saying......

Well .. it wasn’t their intention with Stokes lol … but it’s not incredible they have lent us a player either. Doesn’t do them harm … could actually benefit them too if he helps take points off other teams, and can’t play against them …

… always found that aspect of loaning players within same division to be dubious to say the least … surely open to exploitation … poss has been already ? Definitely seems to just allow a team to strengthen others versus their rivals, no ??

Not knocking us if we make use of it as others have (St Mirren in this case) … but just seems same division lending is a bit spurious is all.

[zero-seven]

Given the fact that Celtic always seem to have either stolen targets away from us or raided us for either players or managers such as Stein, I find it absolutely incredible that they actually lent us Kwon!

Maybe, they are using this loan as a sweetener for us to back off signing McGowan ....just sayin

[Since90+2]

Maybe, they are using this loan as a sweetener for us to back off signing McGowan ....just sayin

If they want McCowan they'll get him. We can't compete with them.

I suspect the loan is to make us a better side with Kwon in it which makes us more likely to take points off Rangers. At the same time he can't play against Celtic.

Also to develop the player to try and recoup some of the tranfer fee paid.

[Forza Fred]

If they want McCowan they'll get him. We can't compete with them.

I suspect the loan is to make us a better side with Kwon in it which makes us more likely to take points off Rangers. At the same time he can't play against Celtic.

Also to develop the player to try and recoup some of the tranfer fee paid.

He’s not getting anywhere near their first team.

He’s on a 4 year contract.

They are getting him out the building and hoping someone comes into buy him eventually.

He was signed around the time Marco Tilio was signed from Oz.

Tilio has already been loaned out back to Melbourne City, after 27 minutes in the first team.

Kwon got zero minutes.

[Winston Ingram]

Given the fact that Celtic always seem to have either stolen targets away from us or raided us for either players or managers such as Stein, I find it absolutely incredible that they actually lent us Kwon!

1st time I’ve ever seen a 60 year old example as evidence of what’s going to happen in modern day🥳

[Winston Ingram]

He’s not getting anywhere near their first team.

He’s on a 4 year contract.

They are getting him out the building and hoping someone comes into buy him eventually.

He was signed around the time Marco Tilio was signed from Oz.

Tilio has already been loaned out back to Melbourne City, after 27 minutes in the first team.

Kwon got zero minutes.

I remember Celtic fans saying that about McGinn.

If O’Reilly is away, he’s a very similar profile of player, a Celtic fans and cheap.

We don’t stand a cat in hells chance if they come in.

[JimBHibees]

Can’t imagine the Celtc fans would be over the moon at selling a player for the best part of £25m and replacing him with one at £750k.

Could be as well as others?

[JimBHibees]

Can’t moan at the club for not getting him, £750k is a big offer. If Celtc actually want him then we’ve no chance obviously, I’d be very surprised if they did though.

“SunSport understands Dens chiefs expect an offer from Celtic for McCowan.”

Doesn’t seem very concrete tbf. Probably about time the club moved on though, don’t think he’s worth more than that offer.

Clearly Dundee trying to panic us