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04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 08:10 AM
What happened with the 19 year old from Bournemouth who was shown round east mains last Monday, maybe a delay in his signing

This is news to me?

EGL2000
26-07-2024, 08:19 AM
Who is that? First I’ve heard of that?

Daniel Adu-Adjei perhaps?

He's the last thing we need scored 2 senior goals. I wouldn't be against signings like that near the end of the season just to top up the squad depth. But he should no way be brought in as a starter, surely that is priority as the season starts so soon.

bingo70
26-07-2024, 08:23 AM
He's the last thing we need scored 2 senior goals. I wouldn't be against signings like that near the end of the season just to top up the squad depth. But he should no way be brought in as a starter, surely that is priority as the season starts so soon.

Just looking into it a bit more, he’s away with the first team in their American pre-season tour so it wouldn’t have been him.

Dominic Sadi is another person I thought it could be. Was on the bench a few times last season but couldn’t break into the first team. Left winger and been on good form for their reserves and just scored 2 last weekend.

He’s 20 year old so might not be him, they came back from Spain last Monday though so possible he went straight up to east mains.

Edit:-Oh, forgot to say, fwiw I disagree. I just think we need good players and they come from various places.

keep the faith
26-07-2024, 08:24 AM
Paid for the woman’s team to go on a pre season training camp, must have cost a few quid that 😂😂

So the womens team should not get a pre season because the mens team haven't bought enough new players yet??

Fergus52
26-07-2024, 08:26 AM
Vassell & Armstrong would improve us of that there is no doubt.

Our fans would not take to vassell, his scoring rate in this league awful and we don't have patience with strikers that don't score goals.

Doidge, as one example, has a much better goals per minute ratio and a good proportion of our fans never rated him.

bingo70
26-07-2024, 08:27 AM
So the womens team should not get a pre season because the mens team haven't bought enough new players yet??

Why do they need a pre-season in Spain and how is it funded I think are the questions though?

If they’re generating income to afford a pre-season training camp to Spain then good on them, I don’t know how likely that is with the crowds that they get though?

Should point out I had similar arguments against the men’s mid season trip to Dubai as well so it’s not just a sexist thing as I’m sure will be accused of.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 08:28 AM
He's the last thing we need scored 2 senior goals. I wouldn't be against signings like that near the end of the season just to top up the squad depth. But he should no way be brought in as a starter, surely that is priority as the season starts so soon.

He got some a little game time in a decent Bournemouth team again a decent Arsenal team yesterday. When i say a little it was very brief but I think they have high hopes for him.

EGL2000
26-07-2024, 08:28 AM
Our fans would not take to vassell, his scoring rate in this league awful and we don't have patience with strikers that don't score goals.

Doidge, as one example, has a much better goals per minute ratio and a good proportion of our fans never rated him.

I also think vassel is much more suited to the Kille style of play. Would likely struggle for us.

Hibernian Verse
26-07-2024, 08:30 AM
I also think vassel is much more suited to the Kille style of play. Would likely struggle for us.

Sometimes you need an outball though and I hope that's the type of striker we are looking at. Although, one that can score goals.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 08:34 AM
I also think vassel is much more suited to the Kille style of play. Would likely struggle for us.

I'm not so sure , I think we'd get bodies around a big striker quicker it really looks like we're trying to get the ball forward much quicker under Gray than we did under the last 3 managers and it looks like we try and get it wide and then into the box where we can get numbers in quickly. I'm not saying him but a big lump could work in this style of play. In my opinion of course 😁

EGL2000
26-07-2024, 08:36 AM
Sometimes you need an outball though and I hope that's the type of striker we are looking at. Although, one that can score goals.

I agree hoping for a striker that can do a bit of everything. That doesn't come cheap though.

WestStandWillie
26-07-2024, 08:43 AM
Our fans would not take to vassell, his scoring rate in this league awful and we don't have patience with strikers that don't score goals.Doidge, as one example, has a much better goals per minute ratio and a good proportion of our fans never rated him.Didn't see anything from Vassell that made me think we should sign him. Watson and Armstrong on the other hand.

Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 08:54 AM
I'm not so sure , I think we'd get bodies around a big striker quicker it really looks like we're trying to get the ball forward much quicker under Gray than we did under the last 3 managers and it looks like we try and get it wide and then into the box where we can get numbers in quickly. I'm not saying him but a big lump could work in this style of play. In my opinion of course [emoji16]

Looking at the way we are trying to play it looks like we are going to need exactly that.


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green day
26-07-2024, 08:56 AM
Looking at the way we are trying to play it looks like we are going to need exactly that.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI agree.A younger, more mobile version of Doidge - as a foil for Vente - would work for us.

AlbertK86
26-07-2024, 09:04 AM
Hibs by bringing in so few players have essentially stood still to this point. Yes we’ve managed to clear a good portion of wages and even gained some incoming revenue through squad sales.

We have a squad full of players who aren’t necessarily bad players but just not right for us.
Clearly it’s been a challenge in itself to find clubs for some,but with time to go I really do think by the end of the transfer window the squad will look quite different.
There will obviously be incoming players but we shouldn’t rush into that as frustrating as that is,I think it’s clear where we need players and the football minded people at the club will be aware of what is needed.
Malky Mackay will be integral and despite the jobs for the boys noise this is the most pro football appointment we have made in years. He will clear the decks and stop this train of players that aren’t at the standard or types needed for us to progress.(well done McPherson)

The bill Foley element is purely an investment and it’s important we stay the road we are on, despite Foley openly criticising how we do things it’s important to understand. A) we hired a sporting director who knows the game and league. B) appointed a very club orientated coaching team.
Hibs are despite the feeling of apathy and the odd frustration in a very good position to move forward at pace once we achieve the early goals of transition in terms of squad and co-ownership.

The stadium is beautiful,primed now for a club our size and whilst the support can be a bit divided at times we have a home to be proud of.
Healthy income generated through advertising and corporate events, not to mention superb hospitality and facilities. We need to super maximise that revenue when spending on the team.

I predict the season ahead will be a bit cagey for hibs, teams around have recruited well and first two games might provide a bit more nervousness towards the hierarchy at the club,but in saying that if we start well we will be in an even greater place strategically and that will be of benefit to all. I do feel it’s massively important we stay the road trust the process, and let’s try not to expect too much too soon.

We all like to see money spent on the team, my main frustration has been missing out on some sensible signings in the meantime that could help in the short term but I remain hopeful we will recruit well by end of August.

Stay positive hibees. GGTTH

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NGoloGrantie
26-07-2024, 09:09 AM
A lot of Swedish media on Twitter (X) saying Marcondes is going to Djurgårdens IF. Contact has been made between club and agent.


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500miles
26-07-2024, 09:10 AM
A lot of Swedish media on Twitter (X) saying Marcondes is going to Djurgårdens IF. Contact has been made between club and agent.


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He's signed for Coventry I think.

Jones28
26-07-2024, 09:12 AM
A lot of Swedish media on Twitter (X) saying Marcondes is going to Djurgårdens IF. Contact has been made between club and agent.


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Definitely wouldn't be breaking the bank for him, a quality player who just didn't show up when it mattered.

flash
26-07-2024, 09:12 AM
He's signed for Coventry I think.

He hasn't.

Brightside
26-07-2024, 09:26 AM
Why do they need a pre-season in Spain and how is it funded I think are the questions though?

If they’re generating income to afford a pre-season training camp to Spain then good on them, I don’t know how likely that is with the crowds that they get though?

Should point out I had similar arguments against the men’s mid season trip to Dubai as well so it’s not just a sexist thing as I’m sure will be accused of.

It's a very good qn, I support women's football in many ways but it should be scrutinised just like the mens game is. I cannot think of any reason for them to go on warm weather training. Surely that is funds that could be used in other areas of the squad. But I also don't see the point in signing American keepers every year. Again it's wasted funds - there must be a young local keeper that can take up the role as sub keeper. The signing policies and running of the women's section should absolutely be discussed without accusations of sexism.

McGruber
26-07-2024, 09:27 AM
Why do they need a pre-season in Spain and how is it funded I think are the questions though?If they’re generating income to afford a pre-season training camp to Spain then good on them, I don’t know how likely that is with the crowds that they get though?Should point out I had similar arguments against the men’s mid season trip to Dubai as well so it’s not just a sexist thing as I’m sure will be accused of.Absolutely. Was going to say similar but scared I'd land myself in it with poor choice wording. We shouldn't be funding the women's team having a pre-season in Spain if it is in diverting funds from squads. Like you say if they are generating it for themselves then by all means and I've no idea the cost. Just seems funds could be better spent than what is actually attained from these trips - both the men and women overseas training camps. Thought exactly the same of the men's Dubai trip, total waste. Oh, and we always come back and struggle. What happened to a good old sand dune at Gullane

Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 09:49 AM
It's a very good qn, I support women's football in many ways but it should be scrutinised just like the mens game is. I cannot think of any reason for them to go on warm weather training. Surely that is funds that could be used in other areas of the squad. But I also don't see the point in signing American keepers every year. Again it's wasted funds - there must be a young local keeper that can take up the role as sub keeper. The signing policies and running of the women's section should absolutely be discussed without accusations of sexism.

The women’s section should be 100% self funding. If it’s not then I’d do away with it.


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WeAreHibs
26-07-2024, 09:58 AM
The women’s section should be 100% self funding. If it’s not then I’d do away with it.


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And can we do away with this "Mens" nonsense please?! Should be 1st team, end of. Same as the change to Player of the Match. Why? What is wrong with Man of the Match?

Brightside
26-07-2024, 10:03 AM
The women’s section should be 100% self funding. If it’s not then I’d do away with it.


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I'd certainly not do away with it. If they do that they should also do away with all the other Foundation teams and activities. It does tho need to be scrutinised and ran in the same manner as Glasgow City for example.

Iain G
26-07-2024, 10:05 AM
The women’s section should be 100% self funding. If it’s not then I’d do away with it.


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Given we operating at a loss, maybe we do away with the non-self funding mens team as well?

What an ill thought through negative comment.

Hibernian Verse
26-07-2024, 10:07 AM
And can we do away with this "Mens" nonsense please?! Should be 1st team, end of. Same as the change to Player of the Match. Why? What is wrong with Man of the Match?

In before someone calls you a boomer or gammon...

Callum_62
26-07-2024, 10:12 AM
And can we do away with this "Mens" nonsense please?! Should be 1st team, end of. Same as the change to Player of the Match. Why? What is wrong with Man of the Match?Is someone stopping you using the term "man of the match?"

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Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 10:12 AM
Given we operating at a loss, maybe we do away with the non-self funding mens team as well?

What an ill thought through negative comment.

There are years when we do not operate at a loss though. Hibs are a viable business. Is the same true of the ladies team at the current level of expenditure? Maybe it is, I don’t know.
I’m happy for youth teams to run at a loss because they supply players but not the ladies or girls sections unless they wash their own face.


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AugustaHibs
26-07-2024, 10:15 AM
March 2024 -

“ Ben Kensell has promised Hibs fans "significant funds" will be spent on recruitment and that their squad will not be built on loans.”

WeAreHibs
26-07-2024, 10:16 AM
Is someone stopping you using the term "man of the match?"

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I've never stopped using it but I wasn't referring to me, which I'm sure you're aware of!

hibsbollah
26-07-2024, 10:17 AM
And can we do away with this "Mens" nonsense please?! Should be 1st team, end of. Same as the change to Player of the Match. Why? What is wrong with Man of the Match?You do realise you're complaining about being told what to call things, by telling us what to call things?

JohnM1875
26-07-2024, 10:18 AM
March 2024 -

“ Ben Kensell has promised Hibs fans "significant funds" will be spent on recruitment and that their squad will not be built on loans.”

Yup. Yet to see these significant funds.

Folk have mentioned all the investment in the club the last few months, lets not
Forget we would have had a budget set for his summer as well, regardless of investment. Which makes it all the more strange we seem to be so slow and reluctant to pay a fee.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 10:18 AM
March 2024 -

“ Ben Kensell has promised Hibs fans "significant funds" will be spent on recruitment and that their squad will not be built on loans.”

Nobody has said there isn't and it will be tbf

AugustaHibs
26-07-2024, 10:21 AM
Nobody has said there isn't and it will be tbf

A week until our first league game and we haven’t spent a penny on a transfer fee.

WeAreHibs
26-07-2024, 10:27 AM
You do realise you're complaining about being told what to call things, by telling us what to call things?

Not really!

Brightside
26-07-2024, 10:29 AM
Yup. Yet to see these significant funds.

Folk have mentioned all the investment in the club the last few months, lets not
Forget we would have had a budget set for his summer as well, regardless of investment. Which makes it all the more strange we seem to be so slow and reluctant to pay a fee.

The recent signings all cost money.

K-Zazu
26-07-2024, 10:29 AM
So the womens team should not get a pre season because the mens team haven't bought enough new players yet??

I never said they shouldn’t get a pre season? But a week in Alicante must have cost a fortune.

Brightside
26-07-2024, 10:30 AM
A week until our first league game and we haven’t spent a penny on a transfer fee.

Free transfers still require a decent outlay. Both the CBs will command a decent signing on fee. Surely people know this?

JohnM1875
26-07-2024, 10:31 AM
I know folk aren't keen on Hornby cause he was rank at Aberdeen, but that was a wee while ago now. He's since moved to a team that's just been relegated from the Bundesliga. If he was playing and scoring in the Bundesliga there's no chance he'd be coming to us.

I think I'd be fine if we signed him.

AugustaHibs
26-07-2024, 10:32 AM
Free transfers still require a decent outlay. Both the CBs will command a decent signing on fee. Surely people know this?

If you say so, I’m sure an out of contract centre half from league 2 mk dons has cost us upwards of £1m all in..

Brightside
26-07-2024, 10:33 AM
If you say so, I’m sure an out of contract centre half from league 2 mk dons has cost us upwards of £1m all in..

We wont be spending 1m on anyone any time soon.

JohnM1875
26-07-2024, 10:34 AM
Free transfers still require a decent outlay. Both the CBs will command a decent signing on fee. Surely people know this?

Obviously. But you don't take their full years salary out your transfer budget for the season. Clubs will have money set aside for salary costs for the year.

The Modfather
26-07-2024, 10:34 AM
The recent signings all cost money.

Likely to have been netted off against all the departures and fee for Henderson though. As it stands I’d be surprised if we haven’t actually slightly added to the budget once the departures were netted off against the 4 new signings.

AugustaHibs
26-07-2024, 10:34 AM
We wont be spending 1m on anyone any time soon.

Not saying we will, and I don’t expect us to either. But let’s not pretend two out of contract centre halves has been a huge hit on the clubs finances.

Gordy M
26-07-2024, 10:34 AM
If you say so, I’m sure an out of contract centre half from league 2 mk dons has cost us upwards of £1m all in..Maybe no a million, but id imagine he will be on 4-5k a week plus bonus. Thats three quarters of a million over 3 years x 2 for the other CB.....it can add up im sure.

BoomtownHibees
26-07-2024, 10:38 AM
Maybe no a million, but id imagine he will be on 4-5k a week plus bonus. Thats three quarters of a million over 3 years x 2 for the other CB.....it can add up im sure.

3 years of wages don’t come out of this years transfer budget

EGL2000
26-07-2024, 10:39 AM
We wont be spending 1m on anyone any time soon.

I don't think we are that far off to be honest. Vente was only 300k away and that was before this supposed "big investment". Surely that would allow us to spend 300k more on a transfer we were already making?

If we got into Europe two seasons running I could definitely see it. There's lots of teams around Europe in worse league than ours spending 1mil on fees now.

I think we struggle more on paying the wages that a 1mil player wants/expects rather than the fee itself.

Gordy M
26-07-2024, 10:41 AM
3 years of wages don’t come out of this years transfer budgetNever said it did, the poster stated that it wasnt a million all in.....i was pointing out it wont be far off....all in.

K-Zazu
26-07-2024, 10:50 AM
The women’s section should be 100% self funding. If it’s not then I’d do away with it.


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This. The money that we are chucking at that we could be paying off the rest of Jairs contract.

Brightside
26-07-2024, 10:54 AM
3 years of wages don’t come out of this years transfer budget

sign on fees will. I expect both especially ohora would have been looking for 6 figures. There will be other players coming in - that is certain. The time to worry about it is when / if they don't come, but the chat from Hibs people at the game this week was we are far down the line on multiple positions. With one expected "any day"

AugustaHibs
26-07-2024, 10:56 AM
sign on fees will. I expect both especially ohora would have been looking for 6 figures. There will be other players coming in - that is certain. The time to worry about it is when / if they don't come, but the chat from Hibs people at the game this week was we are far down the line on multiple positions. With one expected "any day"

We’ve been hearing that for a long time now though. First game is 8 days away.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 11:06 AM
Rangers sign Václav Černy

Stuart93
26-07-2024, 11:23 AM
sign on fees will. I expect both especially ohora would have been looking for 6 figures. There will be other players coming in - that is certain. The time to worry about it is when / if they don't come, but the chat from Hibs people at the game this week was we are far down the line on multiple positions. With one expected "any day"

Doesn’t really help them gel with the season so close to starting.

They should’ve been in the door with a couple games under their belt.

Again, this transfer window reeks of zero forward planning by the club

Lago
26-07-2024, 11:26 AM
Dundee Utd sign striker from Den Hag, Ian Gordon couldn't have rated him 😂

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 11:27 AM
Doesn’t really help them gel with the season so close to starting.

They should’ve been in the door with a couple games under their belt.

Again, this transfer window reeks of zero forward planning by the club

That’s just ignoring the realities of getting the players in you want.

Are you really suggesting everyone has just been sitting about not trying to sign the right players?

Why do every club in the world sign players right up to the deadline?

FifeHibs
26-07-2024, 11:30 AM
Doesn’t really help them gel with the season so close to starting.They should’ve been in the door with a couple games under their belt.Again, this transfer window reeks of zero forward planning by the clubDo you honestly think there is no forward planning?Deals and offers are made allot then players pull out the last minute, it won’t be just hibs an agent of a player is talking to regarding a move. Happens in every industry

Smartie
26-07-2024, 11:30 AM
Free transfers still require a decent outlay. Both the CBs will command a decent signing on fee. Surely people know this?

I suspect we’ll have spent a fair bit on the CHs, the keeper’s wage probably won’t be insignificant either.

There’s a fair criticism to be made about us not adequately replacing some of the threat we carried in the final third last season and our squad looks thin.

I don’t think it’s probably all that fair to deem the players we’ve brought in “cheap options”, apart from maybe the new sub keeper?

Stuart93
26-07-2024, 11:30 AM
That’s just ignoring the realities of getting the players in you want.

Are you really suggesting everyone has just been sitting about not trying to sign the right players?

Why do every club in the world sign players right up to the deadline?

I’m suggesting our recruitment strategy the past couple summers is looking very similar to the same this summer where we’ve got a number of key positions in the squad still needing filled.

We just seem to drag our feet constantly in the summer window.

The last time I remember us having a good summer window with a real plan was before the season we finished 3rd.

Look at our rivals across the city, didn’t need to bring as much into the squad yet had 3 (I think) players already signed on pre contracts ready to come into training on day one. Why are we never in that position?

Unseen work
26-07-2024, 11:35 AM
https://x.com/hibernianfc/status/1816786368166535202?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Freddie Owens away on loan.

Surely Kenneh next with him not being in the squad on Wednesday

hibsbollah
26-07-2024, 11:38 AM
Rangers sign Václav Černy

‘Starred at the Euros’ my erchie, I watched all Czechias games and barely noticed him. Subbed off shortly after HT against Georgia ‘after contributing very little’ according the BBC report. Sat on the bench the other two. Hopefully an underwhelming signing.

GreenCastle
26-07-2024, 11:39 AM
What’s the situation with Boyle and his arm / wrist injury ? Did Hibs say ? Just saw his training pic and quite a large cast on his arm.

Still amazed after last weeks defeat to the mighty Kelty we haven’t signed one player yet.

Any new players will get only a few training sessions before St Mirren away and probably won’t start the game.

Stuart93
26-07-2024, 11:42 AM
Do you honestly think there is no forward planning?Deals and offers are made allot then players pull out the last minute, it won’t be just hibs an agent of a player is talking to regarding a move. Happens in every industry

I don’t think there’s enough forward planning

CentreLine
26-07-2024, 11:46 AM
Why do they need a pre-season in Spain and how is it funded I think are the questions though?

If they’re generating income to afford a pre-season training camp to Spain then good on them, I don’t know how likely that is with the crowds that they get though?

Should point out I had similar arguments against the men’s mid season trip to Dubai as well so it’s not just a sexist thing as I’m sure will be accused of.

I’m with you Bingo, the senior sides should prepare appropriate to the what they generate. However, if we want to attract good players at all levels, regardless of gender or age, we need to show that we take them seriously and are prepared to invest time, effort and money in that endeavour.
Personally, I am as likely to go see a Hibs Ladies game as I am to watch the youth teams but the club has a broader perspective and I support the club in the hope the future holds better things for us all.

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 11:47 AM
I’m suggesting our recruitment strategy the past couple summers is looking very similar to the same this summer where we’ve got a number of key positions in the squad still needing filled.

We just seem to drag our feet constantly in the summer window.

The last time I remember us having a good summer window with a real plan was before the season we finished 3rd.

Look at our rivals across the city, didn’t need to bring as much into the squad yet had 3 (I think) players already signed on pre contracts ready to come into training on day one. Why are we never in that position?

Undoubtedly easier off the back of a good season and a continuing football staff.

That’s why it is important we get more impact from our new signings than we have and if that takes a bit of time that is a sensible approach.

We want to go into future seasons adding and building rather than correcting previous mistakes again.

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 11:51 AM
I’m with you Bingo, the senior sides should prepare appropriate to the what they generate. However, if we want to attract good players at all levels, regardless of gender or age, we need to show that we take them seriously and are prepared to invest time, effort and money in that endeavour.
Personally, I am as likely to go see a Hibs Ladies game as I am to watch the youth teams but the club has a broader perspective and I support the club in the hope the future holds better things for us all.

The youth teams are very different because they exist to provide players and potentially sell on value for the first team.

I thought it odd that we would fund an overseas training camp for the women’s team. I think that is out of step with teams that have so few people paying to watch them.

Stuart93
26-07-2024, 11:52 AM
Undoubtedly easier off the back of a good season and a continuing football staff.

That’s why it is important we get more impact from our new signings than we have and if that takes a bit of time that is a sensible approach.

We want to go into future seasons adding and building rather than correcting previous mistakes again.

We took a bit of time last summer and ended the window with key positions still light?

The current strength in depth to our squad is why we had to hit the ground running this window and we still seem to be faffing about.

If you reckon it’s because we’re trying to get the right player in as opposed to being under prepared then we’ll agree to disagree on the situation

Iain G
26-07-2024, 12:01 PM
I don’t think there’s enough forward planning

They were too busy on defence and goalkeeper planning 😁

Brightside
26-07-2024, 12:02 PM
What’s the situation with Boyle and his arm / wrist injury ? Did Hibs say ? Just saw his training pic and quite a large cast on his arm.

Still amazed after last weeks defeat to the mighty Kelty we haven’t signed one player yet.

Any new players will get only a few training sessions before St Mirren away and probably won’t start the game.

he told people in the Albion it was from w8nking

Brightside
26-07-2024, 12:03 PM
The youth teams are very different because they exist to provide players and potentially sell on value for the first team.

I thought it odd that we would fund an overseas training camp for the women’s team. I think that is out of step with teams that have so few people paying to watch them.

Just for balance....Hearts did the same thing.

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2024, 12:07 PM
What’s the situation with Boyle and his arm / wrist injury ? Did Hibs say ? Just saw his training pic and quite a large cast on his arm.

Still amazed after last weeks defeat to the mighty Kelty we haven’t signed one player yet.

Any new players will get only a few training sessions before St Mirren away and probably won’t start the game.

I think Gray mentioned he fell awkwardly on it , can't remember now was it in a game or training . I think Miller was mentioned and again I cant remember though I think Gray said one of them had fallen a couple of time on the same arm .

I'm surprised we haven't signed more at this stage and wonder if we are waiting on clubs / players to come back who are weighing up other offers or waiting to see if anything better comes up .

( Guessing here ) Maybe like the McCowan lad at Dundee , who knows maybe he's one we are interested in and Dundee are waiting to see if other clubs come in for him .

A couple of players we were linked with on here like Kieron Bowie and Ndaba haven't signed for anyone yet , surprised Ndaba hasn't gone to Killie in time for their European games.

Maybe we are waiting on potential targets or clubs to give us an answer... Hopefully

BSEJVT
26-07-2024, 12:08 PM
This. The money that we are chucking at that we could be paying off the rest of Jairs contract.

You do understand that paying off the rest of Jair's contract in one go actually costs money rather than saving it?

The only way this wouldn't be the case would be if we agreed a discount for paying up front.

Whether we scrap the women's team or not or make it self financing or not, both of which I am completely against by the way, we would be far better letting these guys run down their contracts and pay them weekly until their contracts expire, if we cannot get them off the books beforehand.

In order to get them off the books, even to another club, we may need to throw a lump of cash at it as the problem with virtually every player on the books is that this is the best contract they are ever going to get, so why should they go elsewhere?

If we cant afford transfer fees now, which folk are claiming, then paying Jair the mythical £4000 per week (and I am not saying we can't) then paying him say £100k which would be a 50% discount on the mythical £4k pw to leave now is hardly going to improve the situation at the moment.

I am pretty sure that there is an acceptance at board level that we are going to at best tread water until we can get shot of a whole lot of the crap we have at the end of this season. 15 players I think?

Despite Kensall's protestations at the time, the **** up Ian Gordon has made of our transfer strategy is to a large extent responsible for the losses posted last year, not stadium refit's, which required the BK investment and further funding from the Gordon's, the guy Robb and HSL.

That **** up is going to continue into this year and further until he is removed from any say or transfers as he doesnt have a clue, and is severely restricting what we can and cannot do.

Buckle up, this season is going to be a very rough ride and the success or otherwise of it is virtually entirely dependent of SDG's turd polishing capabilities not on us signing Mbappe and/or paying off some of the absolute dross that remains.

Ian Gordon has a great deal to answer for and a lot of folk on the board need to ask why they were fiddling whilst Rome was burning.

Personally I would have resigned and exposed the charade for what it is.

Stuart93
26-07-2024, 12:13 PM
They were too busy on defence and goalkeeper planning 😁

We’ve done a good job there, could still do with another CB too.

However I think that’s why I’m more disappointed we seem to have stopped after a good start and getting O’Hora and Ek in early

tonyrougier123
26-07-2024, 12:19 PM
I think Gray mentioned he fell awkwardly on it , can't remember now was it in a game or training . I think Miller was mentioned and again I cant remember though I think Gray said one of them had fallen a couple of time on the same arm .

I'm surprised we haven't signed more at this stage and wonder if we are waiting on clubs / players to come back who are weighing up other offers or waiting to see if anything better comes up .

( Guessing here ) Maybe like the McCowan lad at Dundee , who knows maybe he's one we are interested in and Dundee are waiting to see if other clubs come in for him .

A couple of players we were linked with on here like Kieron Bowie and Ndaba haven't signed for anyone yet , surprised Ndaba hasn't gone to Killie in time for their European games.

Maybe we are waiting on potential targets or clubs to give us an answer... Hopefully

Ndaba has options, Derek mcinness was asked about him and said he’d like him but they will be moving on to other targets as they need folk in quickly.

Maybe that puts us in pole position for him.

Alex Trager
26-07-2024, 12:21 PM
Doesn’t really help them gel with the season so close to starting.

They should’ve been in the door with a couple games under their belt.

Again, this transfer window reeks of zero forward planning by the club

It does reek of a lack of forward planning, however, that can be excused due to the fact there was NO forward planning that could be done with MM and DG coming in so late.

Hibernian Verse
26-07-2024, 12:26 PM
Ndaba has options, Derek mcinness was asked about him and said he’d like him but they will be moving on to other targets as they need folk in quickly.

Maybe that puts us in pole position for him.

Surely Killie have been forward planning and have all their recruitment done already?

Smartie
26-07-2024, 12:26 PM
‘Starred at the Euros’ my erchie, I watched all Czechias games and barely noticed him. Subbed off shortly after HT against Georgia ‘after contributing very little’ according the BBC report. Sat on the bench the other two. Hopefully an underwhelming signing.

The huns enjoy some fairly ridiculous positive media coverage in this country. The language used is at times hilarious.

One of my mates is an old school paranoid Celtic fan and he sent me a screenshot of the Sun's headlines for the stories the 2 clubs enjoyed yesterday - Rangers were "stars" etc and Celtic were "cut price" and "bargain".

Doesn't really fit what we consider the actual financial reality of those clubs to be.

Celtic paranoia isn't normally my thing at all, but on this occasion he had a point - therefore it was quite interesting for you to point this one out as well.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 12:28 PM
https://x.com/hibernianfc/status/1816786368166535202?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Freddie Owens away on loan.

Surely Kenneh next with him not being in the squad on Wednesday

I thought this was announced by CCS a few days ago

Joe6-2
26-07-2024, 12:31 PM
The huns enjoy some fairly ridiculous positive media coverage in this country. Some of the language used is at times hilarious.

One of my mates is an old school paranoid Celtic fan and he sent me a screenshot of the Sun's headlines for the stories the 2 clubs enjoyed yesterday - Rangers were "stars" etc and Celtic were "cut price" and "bargain".

Doesn't really fit what we consider the actual financial reality of those clubs to be.

Drives me f***** mental the coverage the Huns get on all media, bbc, itv and sky, why?!

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 12:33 PM
So is this where we are at?







Confirmed in (4):
Josef Bursik, one year loan (goalkeeper, Club Brugge)
Marvin Ekpiteta, three year contract (defender, Blackpool)
Warren O'Hora, three year contract (defender, MK Dons)
Jordan Smith, two year contract (goalkeeper, Stockport)


Confirmed out (14):
Jacob Blaney (Crusaders)
Will Fish (Man Utd)
Paul Hanlon (Raith)
Ewan Henderson (Beerschot)
Dan MacKay (Partick)
Emiliano Marcondes (Bournemouth)
Myziane Maolida (Hertha)
David Marshall (retired)
Eliezer Mayenda (Sunderland)
Dylan Tait (Falkirk)
Nectarios Triantis (Sunderland)
Lewis Stevenson (Raith)
Jojo Wollacott (Crawley)
ALF ( contract expired)

Confirmed out on loan (5):
Murray Aiken (Airdrie)
Murray Johnson (Airdrie)
Kyle McClelland (Coleraine)
Oscar McIntyre (QOS)
Josh O'Connor ( Dundalk)

NGoloGrantie
26-07-2024, 12:36 PM
https://x.com/hibernianfc/status/1816786368166535202?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Freddie Owens away on loan.

Surely Kenneh next with him not being in the squad on Wednesday

Hopefully but kenneh was training today can’t see him moving anytime soon. Players like him harbottle, jair etc will probs get moves towards the end of the window.


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Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 12:38 PM
So is this where we are at?







Confirmed in (4):
Josef Bursik, one year loan (goalkeeper, Club Brugge)
Marvin Ekpiteta, three year contract (defender, Blackpool)
Warren O'Hora, three year contract (defender, MK Dons)
Jordan Smith, two year contract (goalkeeper, Stockport)


Confirmed out (14):
Jacob Blaney (Crusaders)
Will Fish (Man Utd)
Paul Hanlon (Raith)
Ewan Henderson (Beerschot)
Dan MacKay (Partick)
Emiliano Marcondes (Bournemouth)
Myziane Maolida (Hertha)
David Marshall (retired)
Eliezer Mayenda (Sunderland)
Dylan Tait (Falkirk)
Nectarios Triantis (Sunderland)
Lewis Stevenson (Raith)
Jojo Wollacott (Crawley)
ALF ( contract expired)

Confirmed out on loan (5):
Murray Aiken (Airdrie)
Murray Johnson (Airdrie)
Kyle McClelland (Coleraine)
Oscar McIntyre (QOS)
Josh O'Connor ( Dundalk)

That makes it look worse than it is I guess but it’s still not great.
About 8 of those were first team regulars and we have replaced with 3 players.


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04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 12:40 PM
Josh Doig looks set to join Torino as the Serie A side line up their second Scottish signing in a week.

The Turin outfit are long-time admirers of the former Hibs left-back having been linked in past windows and now looks set to finally land their man. Doig is currently with Sassuolo, his second Italian club after leaving Easter Road in 2022, but was never likely to stay following their relegation to Serie B..

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 12:45 PM
That makes it look worse than it is I guess but it’s still not great.
About 8 of those were first team regulars and we have replaced with 3 players.


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I think nearer 3 or 4 that were confirmed starters. Replaced so far with 3 starters.

Another 3 or 4 in forward areas needed though.

Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 12:50 PM
I think nearer 3 or 4 that were confirmed starters. Replaced so far with 3 starters.

Another 3 or 4 in forward areas needed though.

You still need to replace the others though. Yes Stevenson wasn’t a starter last season but he still played a lot of minutes. Same with Hanlon. That needs replaced.


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TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 12:51 PM
You still need to replace the others though. Yes Stevenson wasn’t a starter last season but he still played a lot of minutes. Same with Hanlon. That needs replaced.


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Ideally, agree.

McGruber
26-07-2024, 12:54 PM
So is this where we are at?Confirmed in (4):Josef Bursik, one year loan (goalkeeper, Club Brugge)Marvin Ekpiteta, three year contract (defender, Blackpool)Warren O'Hora, three year contract (defender, MK Dons)Jordan Smith, two year contract (goalkeeper, Stockport)Confirmed out (14):Jacob Blaney (Crusaders)Will Fish (Man Utd)Paul Hanlon (Raith)Ewan Henderson (Beerschot)Dan MacKay (Partick)Emiliano Marcondes (Bournemouth)Myziane Maolida (Hertha)David Marshall (retired)Eliezer Mayenda (Sunderland)Dylan Tait (Falkirk)Nectarios Triantis (Sunderland)Lewis Stevenson (Raith)Jojo Wollacott (Crawley)ALF ( contract expired)Confirmed out on loan (5):Murray Aiken (Airdrie)Murray Johnson (Airdrie)Kyle McClelland (Coleraine)Oscar McIntyre (QOS)Josh O'Connor ( Dundalk)Depends if you include the like of young Owens and Zaid away on loan and Robbie Hamilon away

Unseen work
26-07-2024, 01:03 PM
Josh Doig looks set to join Torino as the Serie A side line up their second Scottish signing in a week.

The Turin outfit are long-time admirers of the former Hibs left-back having been linked in past windows and now looks set to finally land their man. Doig is currently with Sassuolo, his second Italian club after leaving Easter Road in 2022, but was never likely to stay following their relegation to Serie B..

Wonder how much we’ll get from that

GreenPJ
26-07-2024, 01:09 PM
Wonder how much we’ll get from that

Is the sell on clause an evergreen one?

Since452
26-07-2024, 01:15 PM
So is this where we are at?







Confirmed in (4):
Josef Bursik, one year loan (goalkeeper, Club Brugge)
Marvin Ekpiteta, three year contract (defender, Blackpool)
Warren O'Hora, three year contract (defender, MK Dons)
Jordan Smith, two year contract (goalkeeper, Stockport)


Confirmed out (14):
Jacob Blaney (Crusaders)
Will Fish (Man Utd)
Paul Hanlon (Raith)
Ewan Henderson (Beerschot)
Dan MacKay (Partick)
Emiliano Marcondes (Bournemouth)
Myziane Maolida (Hertha)
David Marshall (retired)
Eliezer Mayenda (Sunderland)
Dylan Tait (Falkirk)
Nectarios Triantis (Sunderland)
Lewis Stevenson (Raith)
Jojo Wollacott (Crawley)
ALF ( contract expired)

Confirmed out on loan (5):
Murray Aiken (Airdrie)
Murray Johnson (Airdrie)
Kyle McClelland (Coleraine)
Oscar McIntyre (QOS)
Josh O'Connor ( Dundalk)


Out of that list, the only one I'd have liked to have kept was Maolida which was never going to happen. So for me we've done something right. Squad isn't as heavily bloated now either. Two or three more sensible signings and the likes of Jair and Delferrière moved on and we're well on the road to being back on track.

badabing67
26-07-2024, 01:22 PM
Surely Killie have been forward planning and have all their recruitment done already?They won't have all their loans in yet

Lago
26-07-2024, 01:35 PM
So is this where we are at?Confirmed in (4):Josef Bursik, one year loan (goalkeeper, Club Brugge)Marvin Ekpiteta, three year contract (defender, Blackpool)Warren O'Hora, three year contract (defender, MK Dons)Jordan Smith, two year contract (goalkeeper, Stockport)Confirmed out (14):Jacob Blaney (Crusaders)Will Fish (Man Utd)Paul Hanlon (Raith)Ewan Henderson (Beerschot)Dan MacKay (Partick)Emiliano Marcondes (Bournemouth)Myziane Maolida (Hertha)David Marshall (retired)Eliezer Mayenda (Sunderland)Dylan Tait (Falkirk)Nectarios Triantis (Sunderland)Lewis Stevenson (Raith)Jojo Wollacott (Crawley)ALF ( contract expired)Confirmed out on loan (5):Murray Aiken (Airdrie)Murray Johnson (Airdrie)Kyle McClelland (Coleraine)Oscar McIntyre (QOS)Josh O'Connor ( Dundalk)That really does show how bloated the squad was and the overall lack of quality.

nonshinyfinish
26-07-2024, 01:38 PM
Is the sell on clause an evergreen one?It's not just about the clause in our agreement, it's about the subsequent transfer agreements as well. If each one has a clause saying the selling club gets a cut of income/profit from future transfers, then we'd get some money each time (although obviously the percentage drops as it becomes a percentage of a percentage and so on). I doubt anyone knows details of Verona's agreement with Sassuolo.

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2024, 01:41 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/

SaulGoodman
26-07-2024, 01:44 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/

Undoubtedly talented, but would need to show way more than we’ve seen.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 01:45 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/

I'd be very surprised tbh

Nicho87
26-07-2024, 01:46 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/

Maybe foley effect?

AlbertK86
26-07-2024, 01:49 PM
I'd be very surprised tbh

I’d rather have McCowan.

Saying that …. If we could get both [emoji16]


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Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 01:49 PM
So is this where we are at?







Confirmed in (4):
Josef Bursik, one year loan (goalkeeper, Club Brugge)
Marvin Ekpiteta, three year contract (defender, Blackpool)
Warren O'Hora, three year contract (defender, MK Dons)
Jordan Smith, two year contract (goalkeeper, Stockport)


Confirmed out (14):
Jacob Blaney (Crusaders). Won’t be missed
Will Fish (Man Utd). Replaced Ekpiteta
Paul Hanlon (Raith). Replaced O’Hora
Ewan Henderson (Beerschot)Won’t be missed
Dan MacKay (Partick). Won’t be missed
Emiliano Marcondes (Bournemouth) Not replaced
Myziane Maolida (Hertha) not replaced
David Marshall (retired). Replaced Bursik
Eliezer Mayenda (Sunderland) Won’t be missed
Dylan Tait (Falkirk). Won’t be missed
Nectarios Triantis (Sunderland). not replaced
Lewis Stevenson (Raith). Not replaced
Jojo Wollacott (Crawley). Replaced Smith
ALF ( contract expired). Not replaced

Confirmed out on loan (5):
Murray Aiken (Airdrie)
Murray Johnson (Airdrie)
Kyle McClelland (Coleraine)
Oscar McIntyre (QOS)
Josh O'Connor ( Dundalk)

The one who have not been replaced is the problem. If we don’t then significant minutes will need to come from within. Megwa and Molotnikov can help but we are still way short.
And that’s before you take into account how poor we were last year as it is.
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Donegal Hibby
26-07-2024, 01:52 PM
I'd be very surprised tbh

Agree with SG in he's talented but didn't show enough .

I'd also be surprised in one of the two changes I think Gray made after Monty was sacked was to pick Campbell over him . Maybe another reason for it though I took it Gray preferred Campbells workrate more .

Since452
26-07-2024, 01:58 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/

I hope not. Passenger a lot of the time. Would he do better under Gray though? Probably.

500miles
26-07-2024, 02:04 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/

He was coming back from a pretty severe injury, so if his fitness has improved over the summer, I'd actually be quite excited by that signing. I think he was also playing through painkilling injections as well according to one of our in the know posters.

If he still can't compete for the full 90, no thanks.

NGoloGrantie
26-07-2024, 02:13 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/

Omg yes please


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Northernhibee
26-07-2024, 02:14 PM
Not for me. We could do with someone better suited to the game up here.

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 02:20 PM
Gray dropped him as soon as he could so I doubt it.

Unseen work
26-07-2024, 02:23 PM
Marcondes would need to show much much more on and off the ball if he was to come back, especially for the wage you’d expect him to get

Better quality on the ball, create more chances and especially working harder to win it back in a SDG team

One Day Soon
26-07-2024, 02:25 PM
sign on fees will. I expect both especially ohora would have been looking for 6 figures. There will be other players coming in - that is certain. The time to worry about it is when / if they don't come, but the chat from Hibs people at the game this week was we are far down the line on multiple positions. With one expected "any day"

In the context of the money the club has had in from various sources amounting to a sum in the region of over £8 million, six figure signing on fees are hardly budget destroying - particularly when they know that a huge chunk also disappears from the wage bill next summer.

There are two times to worry. One is if they don't come at all. The other is now, when their arrival is much later than is sensible and getting more pressing daily since the season starts next weekend...

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 02:27 PM
Marcondes would need to show much much more on and off the ball if he was to come back, especially for the wage you’d expect him to get

Better quality on the ball, create more chances and especially working harder to win it back in a SDG team

Whatever he earned at Bournemouth he won't earn again. I think Gray would get more out of him. I think he's weeks behind in fitness as I think his father passes away very recently.

I can't see Hibs being in for him.

Iain G
26-07-2024, 02:29 PM
Omg yes please


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If the salary wasnt insane and if SDG could get the application to go with the talent then he would be a great option to change how we play. Some teams will require a Campbell at the No.10, other games someone with the ability to pick a pass or create from much less possession.

WillowbraeHibby
26-07-2024, 02:31 PM
Not for me. We could do with someone better suited to the game up here.Agreed..

wookie70
26-07-2024, 02:33 PM
Just seen this ....
https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/ Showed very little to suggest he would be worth spending on imo.

One Day Soon
26-07-2024, 02:36 PM
That’s just ignoring the realities of getting the players in you want.

Are you really suggesting everyone has just been sitting about not trying to sign the right players?

Why do every club in the world sign players right up to the deadline?

In terms of signing our targets we can only compete for players we can afford. We are competing with other teams for those players. The one thing that should have improved for us is that the huge influx of funds we have received should now be allowing us to have a much stronger chance of being ahead of the pack within that level of affordability. That should allow us to bring our targets in earlier and reap the benefits that flow from that at the vey start of the season. We haven't done so and that reflects badly (again) on the club, particularly when our competitors seem much less prone to this problem.

One Day Soon
26-07-2024, 02:37 PM
‘Starred at the Euros’ my erchie, I watched all Czechias games and barely noticed him. Subbed off shortly after HT against Georgia ‘after contributing very little’ according the BBC report. Sat on the bench the other two. Hopefully an underwhelming signing.

I agree entirely with your erchie.

Seafield Scott
26-07-2024, 02:41 PM
It does reek of a lack of forward planning, however, that can be excused due to the fact there was NO forward planning that could be done with MM and DG coming in so late.

Not having a go at you - but it begs the question as to what IG & B McD were doing. Thought that was what they worked to - a long term plan so no matter what changes were made at SD or Mgr there would be a seamless transition

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 02:49 PM
In terms of signing our targets we can only compete for players we can afford. We are competing with other teams for those players. The one thing that should have improved for us is that the huge influx of funds we have received should now be allowing us to have a much stronger chance of being ahead of the pack within that level of affordability. That should allow us to bring our targets in earlier and reap the benefits that flow from that at the vey start of the season. We haven't done so and that reflects badly (again) on the club, particularly when our competitors seem much less prone to this problem.

What players have our competitors signed that if we had signed we’d have recognised we were maybe operating at a higher level of quality?

I don’t think our budget is anything that takes us beyond the likes of Hearts or Aberdeen. They’ve had this sort of cash to play with too.

I think we also knew it was coming when we signed Amos and NMW. £3m say gets you 4 or 5 players on 3 yrs deals on decent wages not even paying transfer fees or signing fees.

Alex Trager
26-07-2024, 02:51 PM
Not having a go at you - but it begs the question as to what IG & B McD were doing. Thought that was what they worked to - a long term plan so no matter what changes were made at SD or Mgr there would be a seamless transition

They jump from plan to plan on a six monthly basis. Yhey never seem to take wee lessons from their failures, it’s just rip it up and start again, all the time.

A complete lack of confidence and competence and here we are.

They’re not very good at their roles.

NC1875
26-07-2024, 02:52 PM
What players have our competitors signed that if we had signed we’d have recognised we were maybe operating at a higher level of quality?

I don’t think our budget is anything that takes us beyond the likes of Hearts or Aberdeen. They’ve had this sort of cash to play with too.

I think we also knew it was coming when we signed Amos and NMW. £3m say gets you 4 or 5 players on 3 yrs deals on decent wages not even paying transfer fees or signing fees.

That 3 million doesn’t come out of your budget today though. The signing on and agent fees will. So to think we’ve signed 3 players permanently you’ll be lucky if we’ve spent 250k so far.

We’re an hour off another business week finishing with no signings again. I get you’re chilled about the situation when myself and others aren’t.

When will you start to worry that we’re not prepared given the league season starts in 8 days ?

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 02:55 PM
That 3 million doesn’t come out of your budget today though. The signing on and agent fees will. So to think we’ve signed 3 players permanently you’ll be lucky if we’ve spent 250k so far.

We’re an hour off another business week finishing with no signings again. I get you’re chilled about the situation when myself and others aren’t.

When will you start to worry that we’re not prepared given the league season starts in 8 days ?

Of course it does. Budget is what we have to play with in fees and wages. If you get a £3m windfall you don’t get that every year so it needs to be added into your multi year budget.

I’ll worry when the window is closed. This has to be a proper fix for the long term.

NC1875
26-07-2024, 03:03 PM
Of course it does. Budget is what we have to play with in fees and wages. If you get a £3m windfall you don’t get that every year so it needs to be added into your multi year budget.

I’ll worry when the window is closed. This has to be a proper fix for the long term.

Nonsense. We’ve already freed up god knows how much money in our wage budget every week. If we’ve got 3 million pound extra we don’t need to keep O’Horas £4k a week wages aside out of it.

So you’re ok with us going into all our league games in August underprepared on the off chance we’ll sign the right guys at the end of the window.

History has shown that to be the case so often right enough 👍🏼

Stairway 2 7
26-07-2024, 03:06 PM
Surely no chance of Marcondes. He was getting match fit but when on form he was head and shoulders above everyone. It would be up to us to get him playing well and we would need a good team as I don't think you want him when the chips are down. Think he'll easily get a better offer than us though

Seafield Scott
26-07-2024, 03:10 PM
In the context of the money the club has had in from various sources amounting to a sum in the region of over £8 million, six figure signing on fees are hardly budget destroying - particularly when they know that a huge chunk also disappears from the wage bill next summer.

There are two times to worry. One is if they don't come at all. The other is now, when their arrival is much later than is sensible and getting more pressing daily since the season starts next weekend...

I would politely suggest if people think we have £8m to spend then they might need to recalibrate their expectations. I don’t believe we have any where near that amount available. The fact we had another share issue a few weeks after BK pumped £6m to buy 25%, to raise another £2.2m, the capital project to upgrade the HTC pulled, ST have been on sale since March , the last published accounts show we reduced our Cash in Bank from previously £5.1m to £2.1m - are all hints (as I’m not the Finance Dir for the club) that the BK monies & share issue monies are being used to plug Operational overspending.
We’re a long way from being in real financial difficulty but I believe we are not flush with cash and need to be a lot more sensible with our outgoings (eg too many meh players on the books). Hence we are waiting for really good deals for talented players and loans.

Unseen work
26-07-2024, 03:13 PM
Also re Marcondes, I know he’s been doing stuff by himself in America etc

But how fit would he be?

If he signed right at the start of pre season and had proper preparation and getting used to the style etc that would be a bit different

He’d surely be a fair bit behind

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 03:13 PM
Nonsense. We’ve already freed up god knows how much money in our wage budget every week. If we’ve got 3 million pound extra we don’t need to keep O’Horas £4k a week wages aside out of it.

So you’re ok with us going into all our league games in August underprepared on the off chance we’ll sign the right guys at the end of the window.

History has shown that to be the case so often right enough 👍🏼

Freeing up wages all goes into the budget too, yes.

It is just that the additional £3m for sake of argument doesn’t go as far as maybe some people think.

GreenPJ
26-07-2024, 03:16 PM
Not having a go at you - but it begs the question as to what IG & B McD were doing. Thought that was what they worked to - a long term plan so no matter what changes were made at SD or Mgr there would be a seamless transition

Not knocking his abilities in anyway but BMcD role was clearly not defined for him or Hibs, there is nothing to show proactive strategy being progressed by him, yes am sure he provided support and guidance to the respective management teams and called on his contacts when looking at players (although most were players who were shorter term in nature , e.g. ALF). I do expect now that MM and DM are in place that there should be a a strategy and plan to ensure more seamless transition.

SickBoy32
26-07-2024, 03:16 PM
I would politely suggest if people think we have £8m to spend then they might need to recalibrate their expectations. I don’t believe we have any where near that amount available. The fact we had another share issue a few weeks after BK pumped £6m to buy 25%, to raise another £2.2m, the capital project to upgrade the HTC pulled, ST have been on sale since March , the last published accounts show we reduced our Cash in Bank from previously £5.1m to £2.1m - are all hints (as I’m not the Finance Dir for the club) that the BK monies & share issue monies are being used to plug Operational overspending.
We’re a long way from being in real financial difficulty but I believe we are not flush with cash and need to be a lot more sensible with our outgoings (eg too many meh players on the books). Hence we are waiting for really good deals for talented players and loans.

I think that’s a fair summary of where we are.

Regarding your point about plugging operational overspend (I believe this will be substantial) - this raises (again) the question of the competence of our CEO. How have we been allowed to get to a point where we’re needing £m’s to plug holes. How can folk still defend this melt, and his obscene salary?

We need a total reset of the club from the top down for us to genuinely get back in the right direction.

ekhibee
26-07-2024, 03:17 PM
I got some text yesterday saying we were favouritesto get that Ndaba guy ahead of Killie but not sure how reliable that is

GreenPJ
26-07-2024, 03:18 PM
I think that’s a fair summary of where we are.

Regarding your point about plugging operational overspend (I believe this will be substantial) - this raises (again) the question of the competence of our CEO. How have we been allowed to get to a point where we’re needing £m’s to plug holes. How can folk still defend this melt, and his obscene salary?

We need a total reset of the club from the top down for us to genuinely get back in the right direction.

Does the operational overspend include the capex spend on the infrastructure work (pitch, famous five etc) - if so its not really operational overspend.

B.H.F.C
26-07-2024, 03:25 PM
I got some text yesterday saying we were favouritesto get that Ndaba guy ahead of Killie but not sure how reliable that is

Must have a chance of getting him. If he was going to Killie you’d have thought he’d just be there by now.

hibee-boys
26-07-2024, 03:25 PM
Thank god for that BK investment🙄

Ozyhibby
26-07-2024, 03:34 PM
Thank god for that BK investment[emoji849]

I’m not sure BK are at fault here.


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Seafield Scott
26-07-2024, 03:37 PM
Does the operational overspend include the capex spend on the infrastructure work (pitch, famous five etc) - if so its not really operational overspend.

No I don’t believe so. From memory those capital spends were included when Ron converted the £5.5/££6.5m (??) Debt For Equity.
We’re still going ahead with some other stadium upgrades but they are more directly related to revenue streams for the club. HTC upgrades will happen I’m sure but at a time when we’re more able to.

TrinityHibby
26-07-2024, 03:41 PM
Just seen this ....https://sportwitness.co.uk/hibernian-look-re-sign-midfielder-finances-allow-face-competition/Hopefully poor journalism as wouldn’t want him back

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 03:44 PM
No I don’t believe so. From memory those capital spends were included when Ron converted the £5.5/££6.5m (??) Debt For Equity.
We’re still going ahead with some other stadium upgrades but they are more directly related to revenue streams for the club. HTC upgrades will happen I’m sure but at a time when we’re more able to.

All our upgrades have been connected to future revenue streams.

The Famous 5 and the safe standing will be on top of the spend we covered when the debt was cleared so will probably come out of the investment.

hibee1875
26-07-2024, 03:45 PM
I got some text yesterday saying we were favouritesto get that Ndaba guy ahead of Killie but not sure how reliable that is

Guess it depends on who text you it

Seafield Scott
26-07-2024, 03:57 PM
All our upgrades have been connected to future revenue streams.

The Famous 5 and the safe standing will be on top of the spend we covered when the debt was cleared so will probably come out of the investment.
You are probably very correct.
My point I was trying to make (badly by the looks of it) was yes the FF & Safe Standing works will improve the supporter experience, increase fan spend, etc….. whereas the HTC wouldn’t necessarily mean we increase our revenues (unless we intended hiring out the training facilities, use it as a Wedding venue, etc…)

ChuckNor
26-07-2024, 03:58 PM
Heard nothing about Emiliano coming back. Could be an agent trying to get Djurgardens (or someone else) to hurry up and make a bid. I work in this industry and this is a common tactic by agents, using media for their own aims.

Stairway 2 7
26-07-2024, 04:02 PM
Epl, France, Spain, Italy starts 17th Aug Germany 23th

Why do we start weeks earlier than most leagues and a month earlier if you include cups. Surely daft for us to start so far before other leagues when most transfers happen near the end of the window. It means playing competitive games before teams are decided

ChuckNor
26-07-2024, 04:03 PM
Don't shoot the messenger. Not from my usual reliable source but someone I know who isn't totally clueless has suggested we have run the rule over Britt Assombalonga. Whether anything comes from it I don't know. Seems an odd one for me, but he was right about us signing Islam Feruz (many moons ago).

One Day Soon
26-07-2024, 04:05 PM
I would politely suggest if people think we have £8m to spend then they might need to recalibrate their expectations. I don’t believe we have any where near that amount available. The fact we had another share issue a few weeks after BK pumped £6m to buy 25%, to raise another £2.2m, the capital project to upgrade the HTC pulled, ST have been on sale since March , the last published accounts show we reduced our Cash in Bank from previously £5.1m to £2.1m - are all hints (as I’m not the Finance Dir for the club) that the BK monies & share issue monies are being used to plug Operational overspending.
We’re a long way from being in real financial difficulty but I believe we are not flush with cash and need to be a lot more sensible with our outgoings (eg too many meh players on the books). Hence we are waiting for really good deals for talented players and loans.

This is kind of my point. In fact we have taken in substantially more than £8 million in capital sums from debt write off, Henderson and Melkerson sales and then also the £2 million subscription. That's a lot more like over £10 million. And yet we seem to be struggling to spend any substantial amount of it on the signings we so desperately need.

Either that money has been disappearing in vast amounts into plugging other holes in the budget, or it is being spent on something else - or both. If operational over spending is threatening our finances to that extent then those in charge really have been doing an utterly **** job. If the money is there but not being spent is it because they are holding it as a contingency against another terrible season and the consequent revenue drop-off?

We are looking at a massive reduction in our wage bill next summer and that is guaranteed as contracts end. We should be bringing in at least a limited amount of the quality we need now, using some of our £10 million for the transfer costs/ signing on fees/wages required (if it hasn't been arsed already), since the revenues will become available to cover those costs on an ongoing basis in 12 months time.

GreenPJ
26-07-2024, 04:08 PM
This is kind of my point. In fact we have taken in substantially more than £8 million in capital sums from debt write off, Henderson and Melkerson sales and then also the £2 million subscription. That's a lot more like over £10 million. And yet we seem to be struggling to spend any substantial amount of it on the signings we so desperately need.

Either that money has been disappearing in vast amounts into plugging other holes in the budget, or it is being spent on something else - or both. If operational over spending is threatening our finances to that extent then those in charge really have been doing an utterly **** job. If the money is there but not being spent is it because they are holding it as a contingency against another terrible season and the consequent revenue drop-off?

We are looking at a massive reduction in our wage bill next summer and that is guaranteed as contracts end. We should be bringing in at least a limited amount of the quality we need now, using some of our £10 million for the transfer costs/ signing on fees/wages required (if it hasn't been arsed already), since the revenues will become available to cover those costs on an ongoing basis in 12 months time.

Agreed subject to whether your "if's" are correct.

hibee1875
26-07-2024, 04:09 PM
Don't shoot the messenger. Not from my usual reliable source but someone I know who isn't totally clueless has suggested we have run the rule over Britt Assombalonga. Whether anything comes from it I don't know. Seems an odd one for me, but he was right about us signing Islam Feruz (many moons ago).

He’s signed for another Turkish club just a few hours ago

https://x.com/amedskofficial/status/1816829934519615980?s=46&t=xnvgWfiPti_CZ3xWrTV0vA

CapitalGreen
26-07-2024, 04:09 PM
Don't shoot the messenger. Not from my usual reliable source but someone I know who isn't totally clueless has suggested we have run the rule over Britt Assombalonga. Whether anything comes from it I don't know. Seems an odd one for me, but he was right about us signing Islam Feruz (many moons ago).

He’s just signed for another team in Turkey.

ChuckNor
26-07-2024, 04:17 PM
Well , there you go! He signed for another team in Turkey. The lad that told me said it was a week ago we looked at him. Possibly a speculative pitch by an agent. Who knows!

Ardenttwo
26-07-2024, 04:29 PM
I got some text yesterday saying we were favouritesto get that Ndaba guy ahead of Killie but not sure how reliable that isHow good is this guy. What position does he play ?

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 04:40 PM
This is kind of my point. In fact we have taken in substantially more than £8 million in capital sums from debt write off, Henderson and Melkerson sales and then also the £2 million subscription. That's a lot more like over £10 million. And yet we seem to be struggling to spend any substantial amount of it on the signings we so desperately need.

Either that money has been disappearing in vast amounts into plugging other holes in the budget, or it is being spent on something else - or both. If operational over spending is threatening our finances to that extent then those in charge really have been doing an utterly **** job. If the money is there but not being spent is it because they are holding it as a contingency against another terrible season and the consequent revenue drop-off?

We are looking at a massive reduction in our wage bill next summer and that is guaranteed as contracts end. We should be bringing in at least a limited amount of the quality we need now, using some of our £10 million for the transfer costs/ signing on fees/wages required (if it hasn't been arsed already), since the revenues will become available to cover those costs on an ongoing basis in 12 months time.

Or alternatively the window is still open and we’re going to spend on the right players once they are available?

We might not always sign the right players but I don’t think we can accuse Hibs of not being very active every transfer window.

AlbertK86
26-07-2024, 04:41 PM
I got some text yesterday saying we were favouritesto get that Ndaba guy ahead of Killie but not sure how reliable that is

Think there was an article from a paper in Ipswich posted either here, PM board or the Bounce saying similar yesterday.

Sure EEN and Liam Bryce said earlier in week that we weren’t in for him


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gorgie greens
26-07-2024, 04:42 PM
I would politely suggest if people think we have £8m to spend then they might need to recalibrate their expectations. I don’t believe we have any where near that amount available. The fact we had another share issue a few weeks after BK pumped £6m to buy 25%, to raise another £2.2m, the capital project to upgrade the HTC pulled, ST have been on sale since March , the last published accounts show we reduced our Cash in Bank from previously £5.1m to £2.1m - are all hints (as I’m not the Finance Dir for the club) that the BK monies & share issue monies are being used to plug Operational overspending.
We’re a long way from being in real financial difficulty but I believe we are not flush with cash and need to be a lot more sensible with our outgoings (eg too many meh players on the books). Hence we are waiting for really good deals for talented players and loans.

Heard much the same and last season failure in the managers revolving door plus poor league position and poor cup run has taken it's toll.
What I was told was there is very little money available and players will need to leave before we can bring anyone in and now our most valuable asset has a cast on that has scuppered that.
Ben coming out with his car salesman pitch on it was a new dawn ,absolute bull

Callum_62
26-07-2024, 04:46 PM
Heard much the same and last season failure in the managers revolving door plus poor league position and poor cup run has taken it's toll.
What I was told was there is very little money available and players will need to leave before we can bring anyone in and now our most valuable asset has a cast on that has scuppered that.
Ben coming out with his car salesman pitch on it was a new dawn ,absolute bullWhat poor cup run?

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04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 04:46 PM
Think there was an article from a paper in Ipswich posted either here, PM board or the Bounce saying similar yesterday.

Sure EEN and Liam Bryce said earlier in week that we weren’t in for him


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It was from here

https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/47499/chesterfield-join-ndaba-hunt-but-hibs-favourites

But Liam Bryce did say we weren't interested.

may 21/05/2016
26-07-2024, 04:47 PM
Heard much the same and last season failure in the managers revolving door plus poor league position and poor cup run has taken it's toll.
What I was told was there is very little money available and players will need to leave before we can bring anyone in and now our most valuable asset has a cast on that has scuppered that.
Ben coming out with his car salesman pitch on it was a new dawn ,absolute bullNonsense

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NC1875
26-07-2024, 04:48 PM
Or alternatively the window is still open and we’re going to spend on the right players once they are available?

We might not always sign the right players but I don’t think we can accuse Hibs of not being very active every transfer window.

Conveniently none of the “right” players are available now or have been for the last month.

But you’ll be along every time someone posts to tell them you’re right and they’re wrong 😴

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 04:48 PM
Heard much the same and last season failure in the managers revolving door plus poor league position and poor cup run has taken it's toll.
What I was told was there is very little money available and players will need to leave before we can bring anyone in and now our most valuable asset has a cast on that has scuppered that.
Ben coming out with his car salesman pitch on it was a new dawn ,absolute bull

Who's telling you?
What kind of 'cast' is Youan wearing?

gorgie greens
26-07-2024, 04:55 PM
Who's telling you?
What kind of 'cast' is Youan wearing?

Was wearing one at the Watford game

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 04:59 PM
Seen this, although I think it's a load of tosh

https://i.ibb.co/rGvcZdZ/Screenshot-20240726-175620.png (https://ibb.co/Z6NYh2h)

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 05:06 PM
Greenock Morton are delighted to announce the signing of Jay Emmanuel-Thomas on a six-month deal.

➡️ bit.ly/3WEncHO

GreenCastle
26-07-2024, 05:09 PM
Hornby…

Played 7 games last season…was our injured most of the time.

He’s had 6 clubs in last few years.

I thought he was decent for Scotland u21 but he’s only played about 40 games of football and scored 5 goals - he’s now 24 years old (25 in September) which is not very many.

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 05:13 PM
Conveniently none of the “right” players are available now or have been for the last month.

But you’ll be along every time someone posts to tell them you’re right and they’re wrong 😴

What is convenient about that?

Do you think it is a credible reality that Hibs actively don’t want to sign anyone?

NC1875
26-07-2024, 05:22 PM
What is convenient about that?

Do you think it is a credible reality that Hibs actively don’t want to sign anyone?

I do believe we are trying to sign players. People are worried why we haven’t actually signed any.

Your theory that these guys will suddenly sign later in the window is guesswork.

We hardly have history of that being the case.

Yet here you are, preaching to everyone that you’re right and they’re wrong, we should all just wait and everything in the garden will be rosey.

When it’s clear as day everything at the club is far from it.

ancient hibee
26-07-2024, 05:23 PM
Was wearing one at the Watford gameNo he wasn’t.

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 05:42 PM
I do believe we are trying to sign players. People are worried why we haven’t actually signed any.

Your theory that these guys will suddenly sign later in the window is guesswork.

We hardly have history of that being the case.

Yet here you are, preaching to everyone that you’re right and they’re wrong, we should all just wait and everything in the garden will be rosey.

When it’s clear as day everything at the club is far from it.

I’m not preaching about anything.

I didn’t say anything would be rosy. We’ve no idea how signings will work out.

What I’m saying is that we will sign more players. Of course we have history to that effect. Every single window we sign a number of players. It would be very odd if we stopped now considering the number we still need and the fact we have more budget available than usual.

We’ve signed four by the way. All of them have played and three will be starters. That’s more than not any.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2024, 05:51 PM
I’m not preaching about anything.

I didn’t say anything would be rosy. We’ve no idea how signings will work out.

What I’m saying is that we will sign more players. Of course we have history to that effect. Every single window we sign a number of players. It would be very odd if we stopped now considering the number we still need and the fact we have more budget available than usual.

We’ve signed four by the way. All of them have played and three will be starters. That’s more than not any.

I’m not sure anyone could say with any certainty whether our new centre backs will be starters. We hear every summer about how the new players will improve us, and they usually come from the exact same level as O’Hora and Ekpiteta. They may well be good signings, but the idea they’re certain to be is a huge stretch.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 05:52 PM
A midfield enforcer 🇰🇪

👋 #DUFC are delighted to announce the signing of Richard Odada from Philidelphia Union on a permanent transfer

The Kenyan joins the Terrors on a two-year contract, with a club-held option of an additional year 📝

More info 👇 | @OdadaRichard

B.H.F.C
26-07-2024, 05:54 PM
A midfield enforcer 🇰🇪

👋 #DUFC are delighted to announce the signing of Richard Odada from Philidelphia Union on a permanent transfer

The Kenyan joins the Terrors on a two-year contract, with a club-held option of an additional year 📝

More info 👇 | @OdadaRichard

They seem to be signing some amount of players from all over the place. Will either work out brilliantly or terribly for them.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 05:54 PM
I’m not sure anyone could say with any certainty whether our new centre backs will be starters. We hear every summer about how the new players will improve us, and they usually come from the exact same level as O’Hora and Ekpiteta. They may well be good signings, but the idea they’re certain to be is a huge stretch.
Nothing is certain but with the way pre-season and cup games have gone I'd imagine they are front of the queue, not many rumours about further CB's coming in.

Iain G
26-07-2024, 06:02 PM
I’m not sure anyone could say with any certainty whether our new centre backs will be starters. We hear every summer about how the new players will improve us, and they usually come from the exact same level as O’Hora and Ekpiteta. They may well be good signings, but the idea they’re certain to be is a huge stretch.

Pretty obvious our new centre backs will be starters, as will one of our new keepers.

Or do you think Hardbottle or Rocky to start?

Bridge hibs
26-07-2024, 06:07 PM
Conveniently none of the “right” players are available now or have been for the last month.

But you’ll be along every time someone posts to tell them you’re right and they’re wrong 😴Maybe the right players are available but dont want to sign for us, shock horror player doesnt want to sign for us as has other options, thats never happened before since football was invented

500miles
26-07-2024, 06:08 PM
No he wasn’t.

Pretty sure that Fitbatweets boy was sat behind him with the Longbangers guys and said Youan was wearing a brace.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 06:08 PM
Allan Campbell isn't in the Luton squad playing Dundee Utd this evening. Had a dreadful time at Millwall last season, wonder if he'd fancy a chance of reviving his career at Hibs 😁😁

NC1875
26-07-2024, 06:11 PM
Maybe the right players are available but dont want to sign for us, shock horror player doesnt want to sign for us as has other options, thats never happened before since football was invented

Exactly, what means they’re going to sign later in the window ? Which is what he keeps going on about like he knows something everyone else doesn’t.

I know we’re trying to sign players, people are concerned that we’ve signed half of what we need.

Bridge hibs
26-07-2024, 06:13 PM
Hornby…

Played 7 games last season…was our injured most of the time.

He’s had 6 clubs in last few years.

I thought he was decent for Scotland u21 but he’s only played about 40 games of football and scored 5 goals - he’s now 24 years old (25 in September) which is not very many.Sounds like a bad one

SV Darmstadt 98 - already beset by injuries in their striking corps - have also confirmed that Scottish striker Fraser Hornby will be unavailable for the duration of the season afteruneergoing ankle surgery. The summer signing made only seven appearances for the last-placed Lillies this season, The 24-year-old proved unable to get his name on a Bundesliga scoresheet in one start ands relief appearances.

SV trainer Torstern Lieberknecht confirmed that ankle surgery will sideline the Scotsman for the year whilst speaking at his Friday presser. Lieberknecht also spoke on the matter of attacking midfield Braydon Manu at the Friday media round. Ankle problems have limited the German-Ghanian to just two appearances this year. Lieberknecht noted that Manu's return was not in sight. He too, might need to undergo ankle surgery

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 06:15 PM
Exactly, what means they’re going to sign later in the window ? Which is what he keeps going on about like he knows something everyone else doesn’t.

I know we’re trying to sign players, people are concerned that we’ve signed half of what we need.
So you think we are trying to sign players then?

PHeffernan
26-07-2024, 06:20 PM
How good is this guy. What position does he play ? Left back and Left side centre back

Bobby's Cinema
26-07-2024, 06:20 PM
They seem to be signing some amount of players from all over the place. Will either work out brilliantly or terribly for them.I'll go with terribly and Jim Goodwin getting sacked again at ER.

NC1875
26-07-2024, 06:21 PM
So you think we are trying to sign players then?

If you read my previous posts you would know that.

I’ve got better things to do with my Friday night so I’ll leave you to it, Mr Know it all 👍🏼

Bridge hibs
26-07-2024, 06:21 PM
Left back and Left side centre back

Do you think we have a chance of signing him ?

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2024, 06:25 PM
Pretty obvious our new centre backs will be starters, as will one of our new keepers.

Or do you think Hardbottle or Rocky to start?

Harbottle came from League Two last season, same as O’Hora. Would you have claimed he was a certainty to start last season?

Like I said, I hope they’re good. But we go through this every single window where we sign new players and folk tell us that we’ve improved etc. More often than not, we haven’t improved. We’ll see once the league season starts whether O’Hora and Ekpiteta improve us.

04Sauzee
26-07-2024, 06:26 PM
Harbottle came from League Two last season, same as O’Hora. Would you have claimed he was a certainty to start last season?

How many games had Harbottle played Vs O'Hora in his career

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 06:28 PM
If you read my previous posts you would know that.

I’ve got better things to do with my Friday night so I’ll leave you to it, Mr Know it all 👍🏼

It’s just that I seem to have been criticised for saying Hibs are trying their best to sign players and that they will do so.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2024, 06:28 PM
How many games had Harbottle played Vs O'Hora in his career

A lot less. That doesn’t really negate the point though. Neither O’Hora or Ekpiteta are coming with the sort of pedigree that leaves us being able to say with any degree of certainty that they’re improvements before we’ve even seen them tested. We’ve seen dozens upon dozens of players from that level come up here and fail spectacularly.

TrinityHFC
26-07-2024, 06:30 PM
A lot less. That doesn’t really negate the point though. Neither O’Hora or Ekpiteta are coming with the sort of pedigree that leaves us being able to say with any degree of certainty that they’re improvements before we’ve even seen them tested.

They’ve been signed to be starters though and gone straight in the team with the keeper. That’s an improvement on signing players and continuing to play the team we had in the first place.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2024, 06:31 PM
They’ve been signed to be starters though and gone straight in the team with the keeper. That’s an improvement on signing players and continuing to play the team we had in the first place.

It’s only an improvement in terms of our team if they’re better. It’s far too early to tell.

Yes they’ve went straight into the team so far, but that’s been against lower league opposition. Whether they stay there or not will be based on how they do against teams in our league.

I guess the way I look at it, is that Rocky for example, is a poor player. I’ve seen worse though, and it’ll be no huge shock if either of them end up much the same or poorer than Rocky.

If you want to make the point that we’re improving as a team then yeah, you can point to the fact we’ve improved our goalkeeper and centre backs. That opinion, at this point in time though, is based on next to nothing except 2 games against lower league sides where they never threatened us.

Bridge hibs
26-07-2024, 06:34 PM
It’s just that I seem to have been criticised for saying Hibs are trying their best to sign players and that they will do so.

Dont know why you are getting so much of a hard time mate, I dont think what you are saying is way out there

Probably better just moan your tits off every minute of the day on here with anything hibs, its the way to go

matty_f
26-07-2024, 06:39 PM
It’s only an improvement in terms of our team if they’re better. It’s far too early to tell.

Yes they’ve went straight into the team so far, but that’s been against lower league opposition. Whether they stay there or not will be based on how they do against teams in our league.

I guess the way I look at it, is that Rocky for example, is a poor player. I’ve seen worse though, and it’ll be no huge shock if either of them end up poorer than Rocky.

If you want to make the point that we’re improving as a team then yeah, you can point to the fact we’ve improved our goalkeeper and centre backs. That opinion, at this point in time though, is based on next to nothing except 2 games against lower league sides where they never threatened us.

I think it's safe to say they have been signed as starters, and that it's highly unlikely they've been brought in to be understudies to Harbottle and Rocky or that, with what appears to be a very limited budget, we're going to add another two centre halves to the squad.

Given they've both gone straight into the team and impressed, it's probably the safest assumption we can make that they'll be starters.

If we get three months into the season and they're struggling then they might lose their place, but that doesn't change that they've been brought in as our starting players being the plan now.

Springbank
26-07-2024, 06:46 PM
o'Hora's early appearances have been exactly what we've been missing at CB since the Neil Lennon team of 2017

Commanding, talks constantly, organises, plays his passes with a bit of zip & Authority

He's a player

Tha Cabbage Kid
26-07-2024, 06:57 PM
Some talk in the danish media that we are in for marcondes.
Interesting one depending on wages! Definitely a class player but did he show enough to warrant a full time contract?
Maybe Gray can get the best out of him.

gorgie greens
26-07-2024, 06:57 PM
No he wasn’t.

Sorry I thought someone said he was wearing a cast at the game, I sit in the east so never seen it

blackpoolhibs
26-07-2024, 06:59 PM
Jake Ekpateta is an improvement on what we had last season, comfortably better than Rocky and dare i say it Hanlon. Ohora i no nothing about apart from what i've seen so far.Will Fish on top form was decent, but i thought he was very average last season.My fear is again our midfield, teams defend from the front and already we are losing goals very similar to what we did and have done for years. We just need better quality all over the park, i doubt we will get enough of them to be successful.

Paulie Walnuts
26-07-2024, 07:01 PM
I think it's safe to say they have been signed as starters, and that it's highly unlikely they've been brought in to be understudies to Harbottle and Rocky or that, with what appears to be a very limited budget, we're going to add another two centre halves to the squad.

Given they've both gone straight into the team and impressed, it's probably the safest assumption we can make that they'll be starters.

If we get three months into the season and they're struggling then they might lose their place, but that doesn't change that they've been brought in as our starting players being the plan now.

Yup, I’m not arguing that. They’ve clearly been signed as starters. That doesn’t mean they’ll end up being better though, which was my point. They may well end up losing their place because they end up being crap, as many of our signings, especially recently, do.

It was more that I’m disagreeing with the idea we’ve improved in those positions. At this point in time, it’s far too early to tell. They may well be improvements, but we can’t tell that after games against lower league Elgin and QP where they never threatened.

Bridge hibs
26-07-2024, 07:02 PM
Sorry I thought someone said he was wearing a cast at the game, I sit in the east so never seen it

You said he was wearing a cast, now you thought someone said he was wearing a cast but you never seen it 😁

This site is brilliant 😁

Juice-Terry
26-07-2024, 07:06 PM
o'Hora's early appearances have been exactly what we've been missing at CB since the Neil Lennon team of 2017

Commanding, talks constantly, organises, plays his passes with a bit of zip & Authority

He's a player
Yes!

hibsbollah
26-07-2024, 07:09 PM
You said he was wearing a cast, now you thought someone said he was wearing a cast but you never seen it 😁

This site is brilliant 😁

So is he actually NOT injured?

This is what happens when you believe all you read.

Bridge hibs
26-07-2024, 07:18 PM
So is he actually NOT injured?

This is what happens when you believe all you read.

He is somewhere inbetween, he was maybe just wearing tights, what Youan does in the stadium stays in the stadium

babahibs
26-07-2024, 07:18 PM
heard much the same and last season failure in the managers revolving door plus poor league position and poor cup run has taken it's toll.what i was told was there is very little money available and players will need to leave before we can bring anyone in and now our most valuable asset has a cast on that has scuppered that.ben coming out with his car salesman pitch on it was a new dawn ,absolute bulllol

PatHead
26-07-2024, 07:21 PM
Sorry I thought someone said he was wearing a cast at the game, I sit in the east so never seen itHe was sitting about 3 seats along from me and had a plastic cast with clips from just above his ankle to his knee.He didn't come back in the second half.

babahibs
26-07-2024, 07:23 PM
I do believe we are trying to sign players. People are worried why we haven’t actually signed any. Your theory that these guys will suddenly sign later in the window is guesswork. We hardly have history of that being the case. Yet here you are, preaching to everyone that you’re right and they’re wrong, we should all just wait and everything in the garden will be rosey. When it’s clear as day everything at the club is far from it.I don't see anyone preaching anything.I see lots of posters posting hysterical nonsense though.How is it clear as day?

hibsbollah
26-07-2024, 07:42 PM
He is somewhere inbetween, he was maybe just wearing tights, what Youan does in the stadium stays in the stadium

It might be to avoid varicose veins when he gets older. Genetic.

Squealing pig
26-07-2024, 07:54 PM
Nada then 🙄

Cod Boy
26-07-2024, 07:59 PM
Allan Campbell isn't in the Luton squad playing Dundee Utd this evening. Had a dreadful time at Millwall last season, wonder if he'd fancy a chance of reviving his career at Hibs 😁😁

He’s going back to Motherwell on loan

Henderson2Del
26-07-2024, 08:47 PM
He was sitting about 3 seats along from me and had a plastic cast with clips from just above his ankle to his knee.He didn't come back in the second half.

I’d not describe it as a cast, it was a slim plastic brace that didn’t restrict movement at all.

Unseen work
26-07-2024, 08:49 PM
He’s going back to Motherwell on loan

No chance surely?

PatHead
26-07-2024, 08:52 PM
I’d not describe it as a cast, it was a slim plastic brace that didn’t restrict movement at all.Fair comment. A support/protection

Unseen work
26-07-2024, 08:53 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/14-free-agent-striker-options-hibs-newcastle-hero-west-ham-4718949

Love when the EEN do these random articles

I’ll chuck in another completely random name but not a free agent. Ex Dundee striker who played in euro qualifiers and previously scored against Scotland - Benjamin Källman. Out of contract next summer

K-Zazu
26-07-2024, 09:03 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/14-free-agent-striker-options-hibs-newcastle-hero-west-ham-4718949

Love when the EEN do these random articles

I’ll chuck in another completely random name but not a free agent. Ex Dundee striker who played in euro qualifiers and previously scored against Scotland - Benjamin Källman. Out of contract next summer

Don’t these articles usually come out after the window closes?

Cammy
26-07-2024, 09:16 PM
Pretty sure that Fitbatweets boy was sat behind him with the Longbangers guys and said Youan was wearing a brace.

He was wearing one, we were sat just across from him.

ancient hibee
26-07-2024, 09:21 PM
Sorry I thought someone said he was wearing a cast at the game, I sit in the east so never seen itIt was a light leg brace to give him support but allow movement.

Smartie
26-07-2024, 09:24 PM
Don’t these articles usually come out after the window closes?

We’ll get a few of these articles every September, suggesting out of contract options for the positions we’ve failed to address that summer transfer window.

None of them will sign, we’ll patch things up to reasonable effect in January then the problem rolls on to the next summer.

Seafield Scott
26-07-2024, 09:30 PM
So is he actually NOT injured?

This is what happens when you believe all you read.

I’m getting confused then. I’m ruddy sure I read a news article today where SDG spoke about Ellie being out injured, nothing too serious & back before the window shuts. But I now can’t recall what article it was from

Cammy
26-07-2024, 09:48 PM
I’m getting confused then. I’m ruddy sure I read a news article today where SDG spoke about Ellie being out injured, nothing too serious & back before the window shuts. But I now can’t recall what article it was from

He was injured, had a brace on from his ankle to the top of his thigh, but it did allow movement so hopefully not too bad.

Tambo
26-07-2024, 09:51 PM
Marcondes looked like he was far to good for this level Vs Hearts then there was plenty times he dont 😂 50/50 view on a return to Easter Road.

Donegal Hibby
26-07-2024, 09:52 PM
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/14-free-agent-striker-options-hibs-newcastle-hero-west-ham-4718949

Love when the EEN do these random articles

I’ll chuck in another completely random name but not a free agent. Ex Dundee striker who played in euro qualifiers and previously scored against Scotland - Benjamin Källman. Out of contract next summer

Surprised to see Aaron Connolly's name in it , thought he looked a good player , think he's only about 24 years old too ..
https://youtu.be/wtmUlqQfwN8?si=u-YguxMfbYYfK1Au

CentreForward
26-07-2024, 10:25 PM
You know that things are really starting to get desperate when the Evening News starts pumping out these player suggestion lists.

Trinity Hibee
27-07-2024, 06:05 AM
Marcondes looked like he was far to good for this level Vs Hearts then there was plenty times he dont 😂 50/50 view on a return to Easter Road.

I’m sure the guy has potential but he didn’t show it here anywhere near enough and frankly we don’t need more of those types of players right now. He’d command a huge wage too which I don’t think we can afford to pay right now

bordergreen
27-07-2024, 06:27 AM
I’m sure the guy has potential but he didn’t show it here anywhere near enough and frankly we don’t need more of those types of players right now. He’d command a huge wage too which I don’t think we can afford to pay right now

Absolutely, although he is skilful and takes a great free kick, the adjectives I would like to see written about our next signing are strong, athletic and commanding, as well as skilful…

TheGog
27-07-2024, 07:11 AM
Hull, Derby, Sheff Wed & Barnsley in for Andres Iniesta.

Fancy Leith Andres?

Col2
27-07-2024, 07:20 AM
Devante Cole from that list would be exciting, regular goalscorer at a decent level, impressed when at Motherwell.

Brightside
27-07-2024, 10:19 AM
You know that things are really starting to get desperate when the Evening News starts pumping out these player suggestion lists.

Just the evening news trying to fill copy. They do it all the time. It in no way reflects anything at Hibs.

NC1875
27-07-2024, 10:23 AM
Surprised to see Aaron Connolly's name in it , thought he looked a good player , think he's only about 24 years old too ..
https://youtu.be/wtmUlqQfwN8?si=u-YguxMfbYYfK1Au

Agree. I’ve seen Connolly a few times and always looked a player.

No chance he’ll be coming to Hibs though, surely still get a Championship club and the wages that come with that.

GloryGlory
27-07-2024, 10:55 AM
Just the evening news trying to fill copy. They do it all the time. It in no way reflects anything at Hibs.

Yes - a lot of the EEN is filled with similar rubbish - "10 places you could visit in Edinburgh 20 years ago but can't now", "10 properties for sale at bargain prices", "10 widgets doing the conga", blah. blah, blah...

HUTCHYHIBBY
27-07-2024, 11:43 AM
I thought this was announced by CCS a few days ago

Are the casuals handling Hibs press releases now? 🤔🤭

HUTCHYHIBBY
27-07-2024, 11:51 AM
I work in this industry.

Quite surprised that you've never mentioned that before. 🤭

Unseen work
27-07-2024, 12:55 PM
Mckirdy and Kenneth not in the team today

Wonder if anything in it or just not fancied/injured

Eyrie
27-07-2024, 01:02 PM
I'm assuming McKirdy needs to be managed due to his underlying health condition.

Kenneh is clearly not wanted as I don't think he's featured at all this season.

GloryGlory
27-07-2024, 01:16 PM
I'm assuming McKirdy needs to be managed due to his underlying health condition.

Kenneh is clearly not wanted as I don't think he's featured at all this season.

If McKirdy is only capable of playing every third or fourth game, and even then only pre season friendlies, it's time to let him go and get a fit striker in.

Iain G
27-07-2024, 01:20 PM
I'm assuming McKirdy needs to be managed due to his underlying health condition.

Kenneh is clearly not wanted as I don't think he's featured at all this season.

What's the Frequency of Kenneh playing games?

easty
27-07-2024, 01:26 PM
What's the Frequency of Kenneh playing games?

Everybody Hurts when the puns start coming

HUTCHYHIBBY
27-07-2024, 01:26 PM
What's the Frequency of Kenneh playing games?

🤭

Unseen work
27-07-2024, 01:28 PM
Think it shows where we’re at that people are gutted mckirdy isn’t in the squad today

Last season I doubt many would have even noticed and if they did wouldn’t have been bothered in the slightest

Onceinawhile
27-07-2024, 01:28 PM
Everybody Hurts when the puns start coming

Come on now. You're acting like it's the end of the world as we know it.

Paulie Walnuts
27-07-2024, 01:33 PM
If McKirdy is only capable of playing every third or fourth game, and even then only pre season friendlies, it's time to let him go and get a fit striker in.

:agree:

I know it sounds harsh, but he’s been back available for nearly 8 months. If this is all he’s able to offer, then we absolutely need to be moving on.

Again, without sounding harsh, I wonder if Hibs could medically retire him? He’s obviously not physically capable of the job he’s signed a contract to do.

GloryGlory
27-07-2024, 02:05 PM
:agree:

I know it sounds harsh, but he’s been back available for nearly 8 months. If this is all he’s able to offer, then we absolutely need to be moving on.

Again, without sounding harsh, I wonder if Hibs could medically retire him? He’s obviously not physically capable of the job he’s signed a contract to do.

I assume Hibs have the players insured, so if McKirdy is unable to play football full time because of his heart condition the insurance should cover paying off his contract. As you say, harsh and tough for him, but it's the sort of thing that happens not just in sport.

Unseen work
27-07-2024, 04:00 PM
Ben Wilson, who we were linked with in January, signed for Airdrie this summer and is flying.

6 goals in the cup for them

Coach Jon
27-07-2024, 04:17 PM
SDG just said that they are working to bring someone in this week, presumably a striker.

Northernhibee
27-07-2024, 04:18 PM
SDG just said that they are working to bring someone in this week, presumably a striker.

We need more than that.

Coach Jon
27-07-2024, 04:21 PM
We need more than that. I agree, need at least 4 or 5 in. Just quoting what SDG said.

TrinityHFC
27-07-2024, 04:32 PM
:agree:

I know it sounds harsh, but he’s been back available for nearly 8 months. If this is all he’s able to offer, then we absolutely need to be moving on.

Again, without sounding harsh, I wonder if Hibs could medically retire him? He’s obviously not physically capable of the job he’s signed a contract to do.

He’s been injured and they are being careful with him. Nothing to do with his heart.

04Sauzee
27-07-2024, 04:34 PM
He’s been injured and they are being careful with him. Nothing to do with his heart.

I wonder why they gave him 45 mins in a friendly instead of being available today.

Smartie
27-07-2024, 04:36 PM
He’s been injured and they are being careful with him. Nothing to do with his heart.

The injury is a shame because he’s looking lively in bursts… and he’ll probably never get a better chance at being a central striker at Hibs, with our main man being so badly out of form.

CapitalGreen
27-07-2024, 04:36 PM
I wonder why they gave him 45 mins in a friendly instead of being available today.

SDG said he was ill.

sauzee1989
27-07-2024, 04:36 PM
Desperate for a centre back possibly now too!

AlbertK86
27-07-2024, 04:37 PM
SDG just said that they are working to bring someone in this week, presumably a striker.

I thought he said some that they are trying to get done over the next few days.

Also said as the window naturally progresses there will be more ins and outs


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TrinityHFC
27-07-2024, 04:37 PM
I wonder why they gave him 45 mins in a friendly instead of being available today.

I think because he was fine to play and today he’s ill. Up to now this season at least it has been his injury keeping him out.

04Sauzee
27-07-2024, 04:40 PM
SDG said he was ill.

Ok that makes sense I hadn't heard that apologies. Hope he makes a speedy recovery

Ozyhibby
27-07-2024, 04:41 PM
The only reason to be hoping McKirdy gets match fit is so we can off load him.


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easty
27-07-2024, 04:41 PM
The only reason to be hoping McKirdy gets match fit is so we can off load him.


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I hope he gets fit and scores goals.

Ozyhibby
27-07-2024, 04:43 PM
I hope he gets fit and scores goals.

That’s not going to happen.


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GloryGlory
27-07-2024, 04:43 PM
SDG just said that they are working to bring someone in this week, presumably a striker.

Corrie Ndaba? Defender who has been linked with us and Killie.

Unseen work
27-07-2024, 04:44 PM
Corrie Ndaba? Defender who has been linked with us and Killie.

Hopefully both Ndaba and a striker by next weekend

Especially if O’Hora is injured

TrinityHFC
27-07-2024, 04:49 PM
That’s not going to happen.


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I did suggest this the other day but if I got so little pleasure from anything to do with Hibs I’d go and do something else.

easty
27-07-2024, 04:50 PM
Hopefully both Ndaba and a striker by next weekend

Especially if O’Hora is injured

If O’Hora is going to be unavailable then we should go sign a new centre half. Ndaba isn’t a centre half. If he played there for Killie it wasn’t any time I saw them play.

He’s a decent full back. I’d no play him ahead of Obita. I’m no convinced at all that he’s what we need, unless he’s happy to come in as a sub.

Ozyhibby
27-07-2024, 04:51 PM
I did suggest this the other day but if I got so little pleasure from anything to do with Hibs I’d go and do something else.

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Unseen work
27-07-2024, 04:56 PM
If O’Hora is going to be unavailable then we should go sign a new centre half. Ndaba isn’t a centre half. If he played there for Killie it wasn’t any time I saw them play.

He’s a decent full back. I’d no play him ahead of Obita. I’m no convinced at all that he’s what we need, unless he’s happy to come in as a sub.

I think he originally is actually a centre half but got pushed to left back at a couple of clubs