2024-25 season non-Hibs games thread

[Joe6-2]

Hard luck England.
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Have England won a tournament since hertz won the league cup?

[HarpOnHibee]

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Shame. :greengrin

[Caversham Green]

A big black cloud over all England

Apart from a wee patch of sunlight just north of Reading.

[DaveF]

I see Jude Bellingham's script writer had the night off

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

England looked better when they rolled the sleeves up and got stuck in.

[we are hibs]

5 more years 5 more years Gareth Southgate

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[AltheHibby]

Is it still a Bank Holiday tomorrow?

Post of the night. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Scorrie]

Apart from a wee patch of sunlight just north of Reading.

And strangely my bit of Liverpool where there’s just been a huge firework display!

[cabbageandribs1875]

mon Sir Gareth of Southgate

[Onion]

Is it still a Bank Holiday tomorrow?

:thumbsup: For Scotland, Wales and NI.

[marinello59]

They were head and shoulders above rest. But try telling the 30 million England fans who switched on tonight for the first time in 3 years expecting them to sweep all aside. The MSM hype was ridiculous.

Really?
Been a fair amount of realism before and after the game. Of course there was a sense of expectancy as we would have if we ever reached that level but I didn’t sense any exaggerated arrogance. I have a fair few English friends and family who really didn’t expect to win.
As for the coverage, imagine the Scottish media if we got to a final. :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

No class from Kane. No credit to the winners.

[B.H.F.C]

No class from Kane. No credit to the winners.

You’ve got to remember it’s a feeling he’s never had…

[The Modfather]

Shame for England, they seem a decent bunch…

[marinello59]

I see Jude Bellingham's script writer had the night off

Or he is Scottish. :greengrin

[Scottie]

Apart from a wee patch of sunlight just north of Reading.
And a wee patch over Windsor :thumbsup:

[oconnors_strip]

Is it still a Bank Holiday tomorrow?

I hope not as I want to watch the morning news programmes! Alarm is set for 6am ☺️😂

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Is it still a Bank Holiday tomorrow?

Only in Scotland! ;)

[Silversand]

Brilliant, love Spain [emoji633] [emoji16]

:greengrin

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[hibsbollah]

You’ve got to remember it’s a feeling he’s never had…

:agree:

[SteveHFC]

Chiellini happy :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

I see Jude Bellingham's script writer had the night offHe was playing?

One decent lay off but was a bit of a rabbit caught in the headlights, guy next to me thought Rice was Spain's best midfielder[emoji23]

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[Aldo]

Unlucky Harry. You’ll get a medal one day. Maybe.

Right team won there.

Excuse me….. the Audi Cup for Spurs v a Singapore Pub XI

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[leith lynx]

Rio Ferdinand makes a complete fool of himself AGAIN! lovely stuff.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

it's not tight at all

That's not what you want to hear 😳

[Onion]

Really?
Been a fair amount of realism before and after the game. Of course there was a sense of expectancy as we would have if we ever reached that level but I didn’t sense any exaggerated arrogance. I have a fair few English friends and family who really didn’t expect to win.
As for the coverage, imagine the Scottish media if we got to a final. :greengrin

One small sample. I have same, and quite opposite reaction. All thought this was England's to lose. Spain were not given a 2nd thought. Everyone carried away with the usual hype and jingoism.

[Donegal Hibby]

Didn't take Southgate long to get another job ! 😳
https://youtu.be/PZHyn0dr4k8?si=fWe9iY8prU5JROkz

[Irish_Steve]

Is it still a Bank Holiday tomorrow?

It actually is in NI but only so they can walk around in silly hats playing flutes

[oconnors_strip]

Rio Ferdinand makes a complete fool of himself AGAIN! lovely stuff.

What has he said now?

[hibsbollah]

What has he said now?

Pro-Trump tweets.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Best team tonight and all tournament. Well done Spain.
Absolutely :agree:

[Pretty Boy]

Really?
Been a fair amount of realism before and after the game. Of course there was a sense of expectancy as we would have if we ever reached that level but I didn’t sense any exaggerated arrogance. I have a fair few English friends and family who really didn’t expect to win.
As for the coverage, imagine the Scottish media if we got to a final. :greengrin

Aye that's what I found.

I was down in England until Thursday and spent a bit time in my father in laws local and there was no real arrogance there, not even confidence. General consensus was they had to be much better than they had been to beat Spain and (thankfully) they weren't.

[B.H.F.C]

Rio Ferdinand makes a complete fool of himself AGAIN! lovely stuff.

What’s the clown saying now? I opted to listen to Wright greeting about it on ITV.

[SteveHFC]

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[Jim44]

Rio Ferdinand makes a complete fool of himself AGAIN! lovely stuff.

Missed that….. what did he say?

[Since452]

McCoist can drop the act now. Utter pleb.

[Lago]

Aye that's what I found.

I was down in England until Thursday and spent a bit time in my father in laws local and there was no real arrogance there, not even confidence. General consensus was they had to be much better than they had been to beat Spain and (thankfully) they weren't.
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[NC1875]

Aye that's what I found.

I was down in England until Thursday and spent a bit time in my father in laws local and there was no real arrogance there, not even confidence. General consensus was they had to be much better than they had been to beat Spain and (thankfully) they weren't.

It’s never really the majority of there fans. It’s the ex players and media who make them utterly detestable.

Get it up them. 🇪🇸

[weecounty hibby]

McCoist can drop the act now. Utter pleb.
It's not an act with him

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Apart from a wee patch of sunlight just north of Reading.

I remember staying in Reading over the weekend of the Millwall game, absolutely mental. Gower Road IIRC.

[Pretty Boy]

I wish we could still have proper trophy presentations. Captain lifts it then passes it down the line. Thankfully we got that in 2016. The big group thing does nothing for me.

[jeffers]

It’s never really the majority of there fans. It’s the ex players and media who make them utterly detestable.

Get it up them. 🇪🇸

:agree:

[leith lynx]

What has he said now?

Everything, easily the thickest pundit out there, completely delusional.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Zubimendi has a 60m euros release clause


make it happen Foley

[ancient hibee]

If that winning goal had been scored up here we’d still be waiting for a decision .

[ekhibee]

It actually is in NI but only so they can walk around in silly hats playing flutes

Bank Holiday in Glasgow as well, Fair Monday, beginning of the Glasgow Fair.

[Scottie]

Get yourselves tuned into Talk Sport radio, comedy gold salty tears everywhere. Adrian Durham & Stuart Pearce looking forward to Jamie O’Hara & Jason Cundy later your boys took a hellava beating :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

Some of the stuff being aimed at Southgate on social media is unreal.

I don't much rate him as a manager but when you look at the mess he inherited he has done a very good job. He's not the man to win them a tournament and should probably walk now but he should go with thanks rather than abuse ringing in his ears.

[MWHIBBIES]

Zubimendi has a 60m euros release clause


make it happen Foley

He doesn't want to leave iirc. Many have already asked the question.

[Onion]

Like Southgate and feel sorry for the guy. A thankless task unless you win the WC/Euros, has taken all sort of abuse and carried out the job with dignity. Even speaking after the game, was analytical and clear minded. Wish him well.

[we are hibs]

Ian Wright nearly greeting. Absolutely beautiful [emoji23]

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[Bostonhibby]

It’s never really the majority of there fans. It’s the ex players and media who make them utterly detestable.

Get it up them. [emoji633]Lived amongst it for decades, loads of really knowledgeable football fans down here, sound folk but whether it's cricket, rugby, lionesses or finals like tonight you don't half get a sizeable amount of bellends who are just there to be loud, nationalistic and in some cases pretty aggressive, thankfully they only surface infrequently and a defeat finishes them off for a while.

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[B.H.F.C]

**** all this chat with Kane and Southgate. Can someone get hold of Starmer to clarify when we’re getting this bank holiday?

[ekhibee]

What’s the clown saying now? I opted to listen to Wright greeting about it on ITV.

Wright and Ferdinand must be 2 of the worst analysts, and Dixon's not far behind them

[jeffers]

Like Southgate and feel sorry for the guy. A thankless task unless you win the WC/Euros, has taken all sort of abuse and carried out the job with dignity. Even speaking after the game, was analytical and clear minded. Wish him well.

He’s a decent guy. As a manager he’s far too cautious and he showed far too much loyalty to Kane who was clearly miles off it this tournament. Not that I’m complaining.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Gareth Southgate is a decent bloke :agree:

[Bostonhibby]

Some of the stuff being aimed at Southgate on social media is unreal.

I don't much rate him as a manager but when you look at the mess he inherited he has done a very good job. He's not the man to win them a tournament and should probably walk now but he should go with thanks rather than abuse ringing in his ears.Still the most successful Engerlund manager since Sir Alf.

I like the guy, he's knocking at the door of real success, hopefully they get in another expensive failure......

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[hibsbollah]

Still the most successful Engerlund manager since Sir Alf.

I like the guy, he's knocking at the door of real success, hopefully they get in another expensive failure......

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Theres an argument that Gareths achievement of reaching two major finals one on foreign soil are harder to achieve than 66, where pretty much everything fell for them.

[Pagan Hibernia]

What's the difference between football and Lassie?

Lassie came home!

Think I'll have a wee dram. Been saving a single malt

[Scorrie]

Like Southgate and feel sorry for the guy. A thankless task unless you win the WC/Euros, has taken all sort of abuse and carried out the job with dignity. Even speaking after the game, was analytical and clear minded. Wish him well.

I agree. Those welts pelting him with beer earlier in the tournament should hang their heads. Gets England to 2 finals and a WC semifinal. Doesn’t need that abuse

[Bostonhibby]

Theres an argument that Gareths achievement of reaching two major finals one on foreign soil are harder to achieve than 66, where pretty much everything fell for them.I'd agree with that, a hell of a lot does tend to fall for them. Even when there's seeding the top seeds seem to end up in the other half from England.

Handy though or we would miss out on the hype before the crushing defeat

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[MWHIBBIES]

Theres an argument that Gareths achievement of reaching two major finals one on foreign soil are harder to achieve than 66, where pretty much everything fell for them.

He hasn't reached 2 major semis on foreign soil though. Just one. 2021 was mostly at wembley.

[Moulin Yarns]

And Scotland still the last team to beat Spain in a competitive game?

Aye, means we are european champions by proxy 🤣

[Stairway 2 7]

Apart from a worldie Bellingham was rotten, Kane too. They did turn up or play to their strengths. Playing defensive against Spain meant only one outcome. Found Spain pretty easy at Hampden too 🙈

[Jim44]

Like Southgate and feel sorry for the guy. A thankless task unless you win the WC/Euros, has taken all sort of abuse and carried out the job with dignity. Even speaking after the game, was analytical and clear minded. Wish him well.

The ITV interviewer asked him if he thought he had enough left to offer future success. Insensitive barsteward……..! I don’t think they deserve such a decent guy and hope he tells them to stuff it.

[JohnM1875]

Love Spain :greengrin

[pepe]

Massive relief but still feel a bit gutted for most of the players who come across as proper nice lads. Also, I’m watching ITV and it’s been very refreshing for a change. All of them saying they done well to get there but the better team won on the night. Nevill is one of the most balanced commentators around at the moment.

[Moulin Yarns]

**** all this chat with Kane and Southgate. Can someone get hold of Starmer to clarify when we’re getting this bank holiday?

Unofficial bank holiday in Scotland tomorrow

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[JimBHibees]

But he's world class according to a certain poster on here, too busy making money doing ads for billboards.

Clearly isn’t world class

[1875godsgift]

He hasn't reached 2 major semis on foreign soil though. Just one. 2021 was mostly at wembley.


ermm read the post again? :greengrin

[NC1875]

Massive relief but still feel a bit gutted for most of the players who come across as proper nice lads. Also, I’m watching ITV and it’s been very refreshing for a change. All of them saying they done well to get there but the better team won on the night. Nevill is one of the most balanced commentators around at the moment.

I met John Stones in Ibiza last year. Great Lad and spent a bit time with my son getting pics etc. Made his day.

Like i said in an earlier post. It’s the media and ex players that make them detestable.

[DaveF]

Guy on BBC News saying he just paid €1000 for his Spain v England match ticket and €2600 for his Hotel

C’mon Spain

Let’s do this

Viva Espana !

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Spain after penalties

Money well spent. Not 😃

[JimBHibees]

one of the goals of the tournament.. keeper to goal in 4 passes

Thought Simon might have saved that

[leith lynx]

Keep on writing the script Jude!

[MWHIBBIES]

ermm read the post again? :greengrin

Sorry. Had a few :thumbsup::greengrin

[1875godsgift]

Sorry. Had a few :thumbsup::greengrin

Aye, just finishing off a nice Rioja myself! :thumbsup:

[we are hibs]

Anyone got any tips for the well done England euro champions handicap chase at 4:15 at Newton Abbott tomorrow?


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[hibsbollah]

The ITV interviewer asked him if he thought he had enough left to offer future success. Insensitive barsteward……..! I don’t think they deserve such a decent guy and hope he tells them to stuff it.

Its incredible to me that he gets so little respect.

[JimBHibees]

will we still get a holiday

:faf:

[ekhibee]

The only reason I'm slightly dissapointed is that I had Spain to win 3-1 but I can live with that. Thought Olmo should've done better with the chance he had but for me he was one of the best players for Spain tonight.

[JimBHibees]

Shame for England, they seem a decent bunch…

lol 😂

[Stuart93]

Vam-****ing-os

[Bostonhibby]

Anyone got any tips for the well done England euro champions handicap chase at 4:15 at Newton Abbott tomorrow?


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[JimBHibees]

Some of the stuff being aimed at Southgate on social media is unreal.

I don't much rate him as a manager but when you look at the mess he inherited he has done a very good job. He's not the man to win them a tournament and should probably walk now but he should go with thanks rather than abuse ringing in his ears.

Whether he is the best coach in the world or not he has done an absolutely amazing job of bringing them all together. Seems an incredibly decent person also particularly around the bollox after the Italy penalty shootout. He should leave now get millions from a job in Saudi and spend the rest of his life in the Caribbean

[leith lynx]

Is Harry Kane running?

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Aye, in the donkey derby😁

[JimBHibees]

Zubimendi has a 60m euros release clause


make it happen Foley

Who does he play for?

[Lago]

He hasn't reached 2 major semis on foreign soil though. Just one. 2021 was mostly at wembley.
Read the post again

[Stuart93]

They surely can’t get an easier run to a semi/final than that

[JimBHibees]

They surely can’t get an easier run to a semi/final than that

Not sure it was an easy run Swiss and Netherlands are decent

[NC1875]

Not sure it was an easy run Swiss and Netherlands are decent

Compared with Spains it was

[greenlex]

Yamal turned 17 yesterday. Please tell me that was his wee brother he was carrying round there.😂😂😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

Who does he play for?

Real Sociedad


shame we don't have a link up with them :)

[Silversand]

Lovin' it [emoji16]

:greengrin

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[The Baldmans Comb]

Have the Scots started on the "We beat Spain 2:0 so we are the real European Champions"

You still hear Scots droning on about 2:3 in 1967.

A very refreshing win for football tonight though with front foot attacking football with 2 young wingers and the magnificent Danny Olmo.

[Johnny_Leith]

Love it, Vamos!

England might have been runners up but they weren't the second best team in the tournament, for me.

There is a Sky-Sports-centric view of their squad and it's an overrated one. There are some good players, no doubt, but it's nowhere near as good as the English would have you believe. It's packed with players who are no better than their European counterparts and it's been proven time and time again. Even their golden generation, good players definitely, but world class and so far out in front of the competition, not a chance.

Spain were easily the better team tonight and across the tournament. England have had some amazing fortune across the last month and I'm not sure they'll ever have an easier draw, although I thought that at the last Euros. Their media, pundits and some of their fans would have been insufferable so I'm pleased. I'm also in Spain this week so hopefully the locals are cheerier!

[Mcbizz1998]

Have the Scots started on the "We beat Spain 2:0 so we are the real European Champions"

You still hear Scots droning on about 2:3 in 1967.

A very refreshing win for football tonight though with front foot attacking football with 2 young wingers and the magnificent Danny Olmo.

Do you think we really believe Scotland became world champs after the 1967 win?

Have you thought for 57 years it was a serious claim?!

[Smartie]

That **** for that.

Delighted they lost but strangely gutted for Gareth Southgate, who is a very likeable man and someone you can’t help but root for when he’s got the ugliest aspect of Englishness on his back.

They’ve got some top notch players and there’s a growing feeling of inevitability that it’s going to come home sometime soon but if we can keep kicking that can down the road 2 years at a time then I’m happy enough.

It arguably didn’t help them getting Narnia, Ramsay Street and Vatican City before playing a proper team in the final, but it’s impossible to argue that the best team from the very start of the finals didn’t win.

[Del Boy]

Absolutely delighted. Arrogant entitled twats put in their place. Well done Spain.

Absolutely anyone but England. Now and Forever.

[SteveHFC]

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[Hibrandenburg]

Just got home, better team won and I'm happy about that. Decided to sit in the England block and wasn't disappointed.

[Callum_62]

Copa America final delayed due to trouble outside (apparently)

Folk being herded in 90 degree heat and kept there for hours

Seems shambolic

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[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Copa America final delayed due to trouble outside (apparently)

Folk being herded in 90 degree heat and kept there for hours

Seems shambolic

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Sitting waiting for it but losing patience by the minute. Seems a complete shambles and barely any updates of when/if it will actually start

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Copa America final delayed due to trouble outside (apparently)

Folk being herded in 90 degree heat and kept there for hours

Seems shambolic

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Sitting waiting for it but losing patience by the minute. Seems a complete shambles and barely any updates of when/if it will actually start

[plhibs]

It’s been complete chaos outside the stadium, thousands broke through the gates. They ended up not checking tickets and let people in until the stadium was full, probably over crowded now.

[Pytheas]

It's been a great game so far, no useless possession just 2 teams that think they're better trying to score.

[MWHIBBIES]

All agreed Messi is the greatest ever player now right?

[heretoday]

All agreed Messi is the greatest ever player now right?

Not a chance. He's had it easy. Eusebio was better and he got chopped down all the time.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not a chance. He's had it easy. Eusebio was better and he got chopped down all the time.

Messi literally went off injured last night :greengrin

Come on. By no metric can Eusebio touch Messi.

[GordonHFC]

England had the easiest route to
a final any team has ever had in the Euros and even then they struggled to get there.

[MWHIBBIES]

England had the easiest route to
a final any team has ever had in the Euros and even then they struggled to get there.

In 2016 Portugal played Iceland, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Poland and Wales. They won once in 90 minutes.

[The Spaceman]

All agreed Messi is the greatest ever player now right?

Beyond any form of doubt after the Qatar 2022 World Cup.

The longevity of his career, the silverware in his cabinet and the goals, assists, and everything else in between speak for itself. A truly magnificent footballer who has adapted his game unbelievably with age/pace dipping off. Seven Ballon D’Ors in an era shared with the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Mbappe, Haaland, David Villa, Luis Suarez, Robben, Kroos, Lahm, Neuer, Schwienstieger, Neymar…the list goes on.

Don’t think we will ever see anyone as great as Lionel Messi again.

[GloryGlory]

will we still get a holiday

The Scottish Government should declare one in Scotland just for the laughs.

[DaveF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gjp2q0e7o

[Since452]

England had the easiest route to
a final any team has ever had in the Euros and even then they struggled to get there.

Outclassed by the first real team they faced. They will never get an easier route to the final again. Must hurt.

[Aldo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gjp2q0e7o

Brilliant.

The atmosphere in the hotel I’m staying at in Kos is very subdued this morning. (Apart from us of course) Yesterday pretty much everyone was wearing England Tops/hats etc but this morning there’s nothing to be seen.

[we are hibs]

Beyond any form of doubt after the Qatar 2022 World Cup.

The longevity of his career, the silverware in his cabinet and the goals, assists, and everything else in between speak for itself. A truly magnificent footballer who has adapted his game unbelievably with age/pace dipping off. Seven Ballon D’Ors in an era shared with the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Mbappe, Haaland, David Villa, Luis Suarez, Robben, Kroos, Lahm, Neuer, Schwienstieger, Neymar…the list goes on.

Don’t think we will ever see anyone as great as Lionel Messi again.

It was beyond doubt even if he hadn't won the world cup imo. That was just the icing on the cake. The fact managed to roll back the years in Qatar just proved even further how much he's on a different level to anyone else. I've never seen anything like Messi in that period between 2010 and 2013.

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[babahibs]

All agreed Messi is the greatest ever player now right?

The greatest football player there will ever be, always has been.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

All agreed Messi is the greatest ever player now right?

Not a fan of the greatest ever player debate purely because what makes a striker world class isn’t what makes a full back or any other position world class, and the debate is always dominated by attacking players. Ends up leaving out generational talents like Maldini, Beckenbauer and Brian Kerr


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[Springbank]

Not a fan of the greatest ever player debate purely because what makes a striker world class isn’t what makes a full back or any other position world class, and the debate is always dominated by attacking players. Ends up leaving out generational talents like Maldini, Beckenbauer and Brian Kerr


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I'd add Baresi to that list

But I'd keep the rest of your list in too

[supermcginn]

Not a chance. He's had it easy. Eusebio was better and he got chopped down all the time.

Messi is the greatest by a mile.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Diego Armando Maradona.

The end.

[Wembley67]

Messi literally went off injured last night :greengrin

Come on. By no metric can Eusebio touch Messi.

Absolutely impossible to compare players of different generations, so many metrics have changed over the last 20 years let alone the last 50 years.

All these greats should be left as they are and revered by the people who want to have them on the pedestal :agree:

[easty]

Not a fan of the greatest ever player debate purely because what makes a striker world class isn’t what makes a full back or any other position world class, and the debate is always dominated by attacking players. Ends up leaving out generational talents like Maldini, Beckenbauer and Brian Kerr


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I just don’t get why people get so annoyed if you disagree with them on who the best was. It’s not an actual competition, it’s just opinions.

Nobody gets so angry when someone has a different best film or best song, but dare to say Ronaldo is the best and folk lose their **** 😂

[Stairway 2 7]

I used to think it was a stupid discussion and a waste of time comparing the greatest, until Messi did what he did consistently for 20 years. Hopefully he gets bettered one as I'm sure he will.

[He's here!]

Really?
Been a fair amount of realism before and after the game. Of course there was a sense of expectancy as we would have if we ever reached that level but I didn’t sense any exaggerated arrogance. I have a fair few English friends and family who really didn’t expect to win.
As for the coverage, imagine the Scottish media if we got to a final. :greengrin

Agreed. What arrogance? Only in the eyes of Scots with a chip on their shoulder.

[we are hibs]

Agreed. What arrogance? Only in the eyes of Scots with a chip on their shoulder.Hope you're okay mate.


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[DaveF]

Agreed. What arrogance? Only in the eyes of Scots with a chip on their shoulder.

Why do you describe it like that? I didn't want England to win but my life wasn't over if they did. I've no chip on my shoulder, I just wasn't supporting them, much like not wanting Hearts to win anything.

Pretty sure the majority in Scotland were the same.

[MWHIBBIES]

Absolutely impossible to compare players of different generations, so many metrics have changed over the last 20 years let alone the last 50 years.

All these greats should be left as they are and revered by the people who want to have them on the pedestal :agree:

You are right of course.

[Since452]

Would football coming home not mean it would come to Scotland?

[7Hero]

Beyond any form of doubt after the Qatar 2022 World Cup.

The longevity of his career, the silverware in his cabinet and the goals, assists, and everything else in between speak for itself. A truly magnificent footballer who has adapted his game unbelievably with age/pace dipping off. Seven Ballon D’Ors in an era shared with the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Mbappe, Haaland, David Villa, Luis Suarez, Robben, Kroos, Lahm, Neuer, Schwienstieger, Neymar…the list goes on.

Don’t think we will ever see anyone as great as Lionel Messi again.

Hes not maradona..

The greatest..

[IanM]

In case anyone hasn’t seen the 4.15 at Newton Abbot today..

2m5f (2m4f216y) Well Done England Euro Champions 2024 Handicap Chase

[MWHIBBIES]

Hes not maradona..

The greatest..

You're right. He's much better in every way. Far better international career too.

[Smartie]

I’ve got a humungous, massive chip on my shoulder when it comes to stuff like this and I’m not in the least bit ashamed. Quite the opposite.

[J-C]

How can you choose between all those greats, Ronaldo, Messi, Maradona, Pele and my personal favourite Best. Not forgetting, Eusebio, Puskas etc.

[He's here!]

Why do you describe it like that? I didn't want England to win but my life wasn't over if they did. I've no chip on my shoulder, I just wasn't supporting them, much like not wanting Hearts to win anything.

Pretty sure the majority in Scotland were the same.

I'm responding to the post claiming '30 million England fans switched on their TVs arrogantly assuming they'd win'.

Like Marinello I just don't see that from present day England fans, at least not any I know and, as you suggest, I think it's really only a minority of Scots who try to cling on to that.

You couldn't really find a less arrogant manager than Southgate despite the fact he must (statistically) be England's most successful boss. Maybe he could have done even better but successive Euros finals is good going. The 'he can't beat better teams/gets lucky draws' stuff doesn't really wash. There are only a handful of better sides than England so he's hardly likely to be drawn against them every round. You can only beat what's in front of you and he does that with impressive consistency. Suspect he'll bow out now tho.

Anyone who remembers Argentina 78 will know true hubris. Yes we were (on paper) a decent side but Ally Macleod claiming we were going to win the World Cup was only setting us up for a fall.

[Since452]

Brazilian Ronaldo was the best for me. An utter monster of a player. A freak of nature. It's all subjective though.

[Callum_62]

Sam Allardyce talking absolute nonsense on SSN

Apparently getting to a final was a bonus and England do really well with a small talent pool

Baffling

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[Lago]

Now that Spain have won euro 24 when can we expect Steve Clarke to come out of hiding and give us his thoughts on Scotland's forth coming international matches?

[Scouse Hibee]

Outclassed by the first real team they faced. They will never get an easier route to the final again. Must hurt.

Boom….I was spot on 😂

[Pagan Hibernia]

I just don’t get why people get so annoyed if you disagree with them on who the best was. It’s not an actual competition, it’s just opinions.

Nobody gets so angry when someone has a different best film or best song, but dare to say Ronaldo is the best and folk lose their **** 😂

Indeed, the fanboys of players who throw wee tantrums when someone dares to offer a different opinion, or god forbid praises a different player, are a cringey embarrassment to modern football.

For what it's worth, no player has excited me like Maradona. Does that mean I write off Messi's achievements (or Ronaldo's for that matter)?. Of course not. I never saw Pele other than some clips on YouTube. So I can't comment on him or others like Cruyff, Best, Eusebio, Di Stefano etc. And as others have mentioned, it only ever seems to be attacking players who are mentioned in these debates.

Diego is my favourite ever footballer but I can still appreciate others and their astonishing achievements and statistics and the fact that many many people prefer them. Different players in different eras. That's it.

[Smartie]

Scotland and England are in kind of similar situations when it comes to their managers... both have admirable records at getting as far as they have in recent years, both are particularly negative, and huge questions should be asked as to whether or not they're getting as much as possible out of the squads at their disposal.

Re England and arrogance - if I had a squad of players with that level of ability I'd be pretty bloody arrogant, I'd be expecting to win the tournament and expecting to win it playing well. It's a very vintage English problem though - struggling to accommodate all the best players into a cohesive team and massive loyalty to certain players who may no longer be the best option in their position. Some of the more peripheral players in the squad look to be more likely to fit into a strong, attacking team than some of the starters.

Scotland have many weak positions and a couple of strong ones whereas England - for such a strong squad overall - look to have a couple of real Achilles heels that they're yet to find an adequate solution for. That said, once more they're a bawhair off winning stuff so they're not far away.

A bit like Hibs and Jack Ross, they've got a dilemma - do they show loyalty to the guy who has a track record of getting them so close in the hope he just manages to push them that little bit further or do they gamble on a different approach? Tough one.

[ancient hibee]

I'm responding to the post claiming '30 million England fans switched on their TVs arrogantly assuming they'd win'.

Like Marinello I just don't see that from present day England fans, at least not any I know and, as you suggest, I think it's really only a minority of Scots who try to cling on to that.

You couldn't really find a less arrogant manager than Southgate despite the fact he must (statistically) be England's most successful boss. Maybe he could have done even better but successive Euros finals is good going. The 'he can't beat better teams/gets lucky draws' stuff doesn't really wash. There are only a handful of better sides than England so he's hardly likely to be drawn against them every round. You can only beat what's in front of you and he does that with impressive consistency. Suspect he'll bow out now tho.

Anyone who remembers Argentina 78 will know true hubris. Yes we were (on paper) a decent side but Ally Macleod claiming we were going to win the World Cup was only setting us up for a fall.

1978. I knew it was all over when we had our victory parade before we set off. Ally was too busy advertising carpets to do any planning.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think if England are wise they'd stick with Southgate for next tournament . Much the same as I think Scotland should stick with Clarke .

Potter is favourite for the England Job and I've seen quite a few had mentioned they'd like Mcinnes for the Scotland job .

My question is... Are either of these any better than they already have ? 🤔

[ancient hibee]

I think if England are wise they'd stick with Southgate for next tournament . Much the same as I think Scotland should stick with Clarke .

Potter is favourite for the England Job and I've seen quite a few had mentioned they'd like Mcinnes for the Scotland job .

My question is... Are either of these any better than they already have ? 🤔

Of course Southgate may not want to stick with them any longer. Who could blame him-the pressure must be enormous.

[Donegal Hibby]

Of course Southgate may not want to stick with them any longer. Who could blame him-the pressure must be enormous.

Yeah , that is a big factor alright . Has to be one of ( if not thee ) biggest pressure jobs a manger could be in .

[Betty Boop]

Southgate was the highest paid manager at the Euros.

[Lago]

Scotland and England are in kind of similar situations when it comes to their managers... both have admirable records at getting as far as they have in recent years, both are particularly negative, and huge questions should be asked as to whether or not they're getting as much as possible out of the squads at their disposal.

Re England and arrogance - if I had a squad of players with that level of ability I'd be pretty bloody arrogant, I'd be expecting to win the tournament and expecting to win it playing well. It's a very vintage English problem though - struggling to accommodate all the best players into a cohesive team and massive loyalty to certain players who may no longer be the best option in their position. Some of the more peripheral players in the squad look to be more likely to fit into a strong, attacking team than some of the starters.

Scotland have many weak positions and a couple of strong ones whereas England - for such a strong squad overall - look to have a couple of real Achilles heels that they're yet to find an adequate solution for. That said, once more they're a bawhair off winning stuff so they're not far away.

A bit like Hibs and Jack Ross, they've got a dilemma - do they show loyalty to the guy who has a track record of getting them so close in the hope he just manages to push them that little bit further or do they gamble on a different approach? Tough one.
I can't see any similarity between Scotland and England mangers, one had a poor set of results leading up to the tournament and then had nothing less than a disastrous campaign, England I would say reaching the final could be considered success.

[pollution]

1978. I knew it was all over when we had our victory parade before we set off. Ally was too busy advertising carpets to do any planning.

As I recall, the Ally McLeod confidence and bluster was all tongue in cheek. No one really expected us to win.

[Dmas]

Yeah , that is a big factor alright . Has to be one of ( if not thee ) biggest pressure jobs a manger could be in .

Not having that he’s off more than he’s on and majority of the squad picks itself, he’s played guys who where struggling all the way through the tournament, took 1 injured left back when he’s had 26 slots to fill, took a handful of centre mids and played a RB there first 2 games, any good manager wins that for England imo they have an incredible team on paper and probably should be celebrating retaining the tournament rather than messing up for the 2nd time

[Since90+2]

I think Messi is the greatest ever, his longevity and the things he's won for me means it can't be anyone else.

I do think there is an argument that Ronaldo however, at his absolute peak, around 2011-2013 at Madrid was possibly the best ever player.

[He's here!]

As I recall, the Ally McLeod confidence and bluster was all tongue in cheek. No one really expected us to win.

Admittedly I was very young at the time but my memory is very much of being led to believe we were going there to win it. And on paper we still had a strong squad, perhaps a little past their best in some cases. I'd say there was widespread shock at how badly beaten we got by Peru in the opening game and the Iran game was excruciatingly poor.

Having read and watched more about it since then, it's clear we were woefully underprepared when it came to knowledge of our opponents and the accommodation/training facilities etc were a shambles. Willie Johnston getting sent home for a failed drugs test just compounded the whole sorry saga.

[tamig]

Admittedly I was very young at the time but my memory is very much of being led to believe we were going there to win it. And on paper we still had a strong squad, perhaps a little past their best in some cases. I'd say there was widespread shock at how badly beaten we got by Peru in the opening game and the Iran game was excruciatingly poor.

Having read and watched more about it since then, it's clear we were woefully underprepared when it came to knowledge of our opponents and the accommodation/training facilities etc were a shambles. Willie Johnston getting sent home for a failed drugs test just compounded the whole sorry saga.
Losing Gordon McQueen for the tournament was also a huge blow. That was a very capable squad we had then and we should undoubtedly have done so much better - even without big Gordon.

[eastender1]

As I recall, the Ally McLeod confidence and bluster was all tongue in cheek. No one really expected us to win.

I wish someone had told the 13 year old me that. Listening to the Scottish press, I was convinced we were getting to the semi-finals at least :)

[MWHIBBIES]

I think Messi is the greatest ever, his longevity and the things he's won for me means it can't be anyone else.

I do think there is an argument that Ronaldo however, at his absolute peak, around 2011-2013 at Madrid was possibly the best ever player.

Ronaldo is really the only other one in the argument. Although 2012 Messi scored 91 goals, so I think he's got him that year.

[Callum_62]

Dundee to play both premier cup home matches at Glebe park (Brechin City) to protect the Dens Park pitch

I foresee more shambles ahead

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[alhibby]

Watching Rosenberg v Man U, Will Fish playing for Utd

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[Saint Hibee]

I think if England are wise they'd stick with Southgate for next tournament . Much the same as I think Scotland should stick with Clarke .

Potter is favourite for the England Job and I've seen quite a few had mentioned they'd like Mcinnes for the Scotland job .

My question is... Are either of these any better than they already have ? 🤔

That’ll be a big step up for Craig Levein.

[TrinityHFC]

I think Messi is the greatest ever, his longevity and the things he's won for me means it can't be anyone else.

I do think there is an argument that Ronaldo however, at his absolute peak, around 2011-2013 at Madrid was possibly the best ever player.

Pele had won 2 world cups by 21 when that really was the pinnacle. Different time and a different emphasis on the various competitions but don’t think we can say it can’t be anyone else.

[Callum_62]

I bet Big Sam voted leave

Stupid comments on SSN

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[ekhibee]

Pele had won 2 world cups by 21 when that really was the pinnacle. Different time and a different emphasis on the various competitions but don’t think we can say it can’t be anyone else.
This.

[Since90+2]

Pele had won 2 world cups by 21 when that really was the pinnacle. Different time and a different emphasis on the various competitions but don’t think we can say it can’t be anyone else.

Of course.

Anyone can be free to think whoever they want, but in my opinion the longevity and what he's won means I can't see it being anyone but Lionel.

[McD]

Of course.

Anyone can be free to think whoever they want, but in my opinion the longevity and what he's won means I can't see it being anyone but Lionel.



There’s arguments to and for almost every player.

Pele won 3 world cups, but played in a poor league. He scored an incredible amount of goals, and played in an era where he could be virtually maimed before a free kick was given, effectively kicked out of the World Cup in 1966. He also played in an era where the football world only got see anything of him every 4 years, so an aura builds up, and if he had a poor(er) season, it would go under the radar.

Messi has won 3 international tournaments, outside of the great Spain side circa 15 years ago, there’s very few who can claim to have done the same, and virtually none can claim to have been their country’s main man during that period. His record at club level is unsurpassed. He’s had the benefit of modern medicine and training, he’s also had to deal with an unprecedented level of scrutiny that only Ronaldo, tiger woods, Michael Jordan and lebron James can relate to. One other thing he’s had to cope with, up until 20 months or so ago, was perpetual negative comparisons to maradona.


And as we’ve seen, other people will favour maradona, some Ronaldo, or Ronaldo :wink:, or zidane, or Best, that’s the beauty of the discussion, there’s no definitely right answer :greengrin

[Iain G]

Has it come home yet? Just checking... 😁

[we are hibs]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager.

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[Northernhibee]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager.

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I actually like him on a human level. He seems like a genuinely good guy.

[Trinity Hibee]

I actually like him on a human level. He seems like a genuinely good guy.

Agreed. His man management comes across as excellent

[MWHIBBIES]

Done an incredible job. Hopefully disappears and enjoys a well earned rest.

Slightly worrying as England could attract someone good.

[ancient hibee]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager. Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkAre you sure?

[Mcbizz1998]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager. Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkWhere you seeing that? Not been confirmed as far as I can see.EDIT: Confirmed now.

[we are hibs]

Where you seeing that? Not been confirmed as far as I can see.https://x.com/SkyFootball/status/1813152273247445180?t=hCGunK6HO9wFvrVMdtchKw&s=19

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager.

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Was always going to happen.

Seems like a decent guy, but they need someone who can get them over the line. They’ve got the players to be winning a tournament, you can’t keep getting to the latter stages and falling short.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager.

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Praying for He's Here. 🤭

[He's here!]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager. Sent from my SM-A405FN using TapatalkTo be expected. He did a terrific job overall and transformed England from the shambles they were prior to him taking on the role.While thankfully the press aren't as merciless as they used to be (Graham Taylor and turnips springs to mind), the pressure that comes with the England job must weigh heavily on anyone who takes it and I imagine eight years feels like long enough for him. Good bloke who can leave with his head held high.

[Wilson]

Was always going to happen.

Seems like a decent guy, but they need someone who can get them over the line. They’ve got the players to be winning a tournament, you can’t keep getting to the latter stages and falling short.

That will be the thinking. If only it were as simple as that. Wouldn't be surprised if they played better football under a new manager but fall short of the finals that Southgate got them to. Football is a funny old game after all.

[Velma Dinkley]

It should be easy for the FA to appoint a better manager but it's very unlikely they'll find a luckier one.

[He's here!]

It should be easy for the FA to appoint a better manager but it's very unlikely they'll find a luckier one.You don't 'luck' your way to the record he had with England. It came down to years of hard work, right from when he was head of elite development. That's what shaped the current England side and included World Cup wins for their U20s and U17s (or possibly their U15s, I can't remember which). He's been a key figure in raising the bar for their national team and if you look at their record down the years before he took on the top job he's actually had them punching above their weight. He clearly leaves them in a good place for whoever succeeds him.

[Scouse Hibee]

It should be easy for the FA to appoint a better manager but it's very unlikely they'll find a luckier one.

Stop talking nonsense, luck had nothing to do with how Southgate has transformed the England team. The best England manager in my lifetime.

[JimBHibees]

There’s arguments to and for almost every player.

Pele won 3 world cups, but played in a poor league. He scored an incredible amount of goals, and played in an era where he could be virtually maimed before a free kick was given, effectively kicked out of the World Cup in 1966. He also played in an era where the football world only got see anything of him every 4 years, so an aura builds up, and if he had a poor(er) season, it would go under the radar.

Messi has won 3 international tournaments, outside of the great Spain side circa 15 years ago, there’s very few who can claim to have done the same, and virtually none can claim to have been their country’s main man during that period. His record at club level is unsurpassed. He’s had the benefit of modern medicine and training, he’s also had to deal with an unprecedented level of scrutiny that only Ronaldo, tiger woods, Michael Jordan and lebron James can relate to. One other thing he’s had to cope with, up until 20 months or so ago, was perpetual negative comparisons to maradona.


And as we’ve seen, other people will favour maradona, some Ronaldo, or Ronaldo :wink:, or zidane, or Best, that’s the beauty of the discussion, there’s no definitely right answer :greengrin

A poor league given Brazilian players didn’t come to Europe at that time not sure it could be seen as a poor league given the sheer number of players that country produces

[JimBHibees]

Ronaldo is really the only other one in the argument. Although 2012 Messi scored 91 goals, so I think he's got him that year.

Maradona Pele Di Stefano Puskas Cruyff Best

[Velma Dinkley]

Stop talking nonsense, luck had nothing to do with how Southgate has transformed the England team. The best England manager in my lifetime.I don't mean to be rude but that is completely delusional.

[Velma Dinkley]

You don't 'luck' your way to the record he had with England. It came down to years of hard work, right from when he was head of elite development. That's what shaped the current England side and included World Cup wins for their U20s and U17s (or possibly their U15s, I can't remember which). He's been a key figure in raising the bar for their national team and if you look at their record down the years before he took on the top job he's actually had them punching above their weight. He clearly leaves them in a good place for whoever succeeds him.Having seen the draws and watched the games, I can say that is incorrect.

[Scouse Hibee]

I don't mean to be rude but that is completely delusional.

No it’s completely factual actually!

[JimBHibees]

You don't 'luck' your way to the record he had with England. It came down to years of hard work, right from when he was head of elite development. That's what shaped the current England side and included World Cup wins for their U20s and U17s (or possibly their U15s, I can't remember which). He's been a key figure in raising the bar for their national team and if you look at their record down the years before he took on the top job he's actually had them punching above their weight. He clearly leaves them in a good place for whoever succeeds him.

Don’t think he has had them punching above their weight more punching their weight. England squads were notorious for being very cliquey and tended to be split on lines Southgate has improved that very much and much more integrated. There is probably more money pumped into the England team than any in the world given the enormous investment in St George's park and additional tapping into and utilising best practice be that sport science nutrition analysis etc. They will also have benefited enormously from the off the scale investment in the EPL and literally billions pumped into academies and developing youth players. England should be competing at the final stages on that basis.

[MWHIBBIES]

Maradona Pele Di Stefano Puskas Cruyff Best

All incredible players. Not one can really be compared to Messi overall, though.

[JimBHibees]

I don't mean to be rude but that is completely delusional.

It’s not really is it you don’t luck your way to semi finals and finals over a long period of time.Given the number of times they have marginally lost out on penalties their record should be better than it is. Matter of time before they start winning tournaments. Natural progression imo

[Smartie]

Having seen the draws and watched the games, I can say that is incorrect.

Re the draws - you can only beat what’s in front of you.

For every Germany and Argentina who knocked England out pre-Southgate there’s an Iceland, a Portugal or a Romania.

I reckon that to win something, they probably do need to move on from Southgate, learn to play a more expansive game and make some tough decisions on some key positions and players.

Southgate enjoyed the odd break, but every successful manager does. What is unarguable though is the fact that he was a great success.

He leaves a brilliant platform for the next person to build on.

[Velma Dinkley]

It’s not really is it you don’t luck your way to semi finals and finals over a long period of time.Given the number of times they have marginally lost out on penalties their record should be better than it is. Matter of time before they start winning tournaments. Natural progression imoThey literally have lucked their way to semi finals and finals. We've just had a tournament in which it happened.

[Scouse Hibee]

They literally have lucked their way to semi finals and finals. We've just had a tournament in which it happened.

😂

[truehibernian]

Stop talking nonsense, luck had nothing to do with how Southgate has transformed the England team. The best England manager in my lifetime.

Southgate has real class, very articulate and calm, and undoubtedly talented, probably more so in his work through the age groups and nurturing young talent. His record recently is very poor considering the opposition however, and I use the word “poor” in the sense that England should have been comfortable in every game up to the final but were often outplayed by weaker opponents and were too defensive and loyal to players who weren’t playing well (Kane a case in point). He had an embarrassment of riches but couldn’t create a team, shown by the fact they lost the most important games of his tenure against teams who were the sum of all their parts whilst not being blessed with the same level of player (Croatia, France, Italy and now Spain). The next manager has to be brave and integrate players like Palmer, Watkins, Trent, etc and be bold enough to drop players like Kane, Walker and Rice who for me had a very poor tournament. Mainoo wasn’t the answer either.

Wish him all the best though, very likeable and he’ll get a top job soon.

[Springbank]

Was always going to happen.Seems like a decent guy, but they need someone who can get them over the line. They’ve got the players to be winning a tournament, you can’t keep getting to the latter stages and falling short.Teams with Bang Average goalies don't tend to win trophies

[easty]

He's successful in that he's took them far in competitions, and has a good record...but he's unsuccessful in that they've achieved nothing, and haven't really looked like they should.

This England squad are far better than Southgate has got out of them.

Easily as much talent in the English team as there is in the Spanish team that beat them, but the Spanish were miles better.

You can blame the players, or the manager, or both. Southgate, in my opinion, was Englands weak point, and that seemed clear before the tournament even started.

[He's here!]

They literally have lucked their way to semi finals and finals. We've just had a tournament in which it happened.Where did the 'luck' come in? They did what they had to do to get to the final. That's the bottom line in knockout tournaments. From winning the World Cup in 1966 to the year Southgate took over as manager in 2016 England won only six knockout games in total. Southgate won nine in just eight years.

[KeithTheHibby]

You don't 'luck' your way to the record he had with England. It came down to years of hard work, right from when he was head of elite development. That's what shaped the current England side and included World Cup wins for their U20s and U17s (or possibly their U15s, I can't remember which). He's been a key figure in raising the bar for their national team and if you look at their record down the years before he took on the top job he's actually had them punching above their weight. He clearly leaves them in a good place for whoever succeeds him.

He has done a great job, you only have to look at their recent record..however they have been very fortunate when getting out of groups to avoid several big guns enruoute to QF, SF, finals etc.
When faced with a top international side they have lost, simple as.
Not all down to him, some of it has to be attributed to the fact that other nations simply have better players and squads.

[McD]

A poor league given Brazilian players didn’t come to Europe at that time not sure it could be seen as a poor league given the sheer number of players that country produces


While I wasn’t around at the time, that assessment of Brazilian league football at that time is a description I’ve read from a number of football journalists and historians over the years.

[Stairway 2 7]

Where did the 'luck' come in? They did what they had to do to get to the final. That's the bottom line in knockout tournaments. From winning the World Cup in 1966 to the year Southgate took over as manager in 2016 England won only six knockout games in total. Southgate won nine in just eight years.

The only time you get riled it seems are when people are bigging up the SNP or ripping England. The first one is your perogative but for the second it's a Scottish football fans message board it's hardly unexpected

[He's here!]

The only time you get riled it seems are when people are bigging up the SNP or ripping England. The first one is your perogative but for the second it's a Scottish football fans message board it's hardly unexpected

I wouldn't say I'm riled. Just of the view Southgate did a very good job. It's not incumbent on every Scot to belittle anything England achieve (especially when we have so little to crow about ourselves). I just don't have a problem with them.

The SNP...that's another matter, although their downfall means I've less to get riled about.

[Stairway 2 7]

I wouldn't say I'm riled. Just of the view Southgate did a very good job. It's not incumbent on every Scot to belittle anything England achieve (especially when we have so little to crow about ourselves). I just don't have a problem with them.

The SNP...that's another matter, although their downfall means I've less to get riled about.

It's not incumbent but it's rivalry to me. I enjoy hearts getting beat but have loads of hearts friends. I enjoy England losing football although the wife is English. It may be bitter and hatred for some but not the majority.

The second point I've no comeback just now 😢 😂

[Since90+2]

Keep the political pish off the main board. If people want to bore themselves to tears talking about it do it on the holy ground.

[J-C]

Southgate didn't change tactics, the 11 players just failed to play to the levels expected, where he went wrong was not having a backbone to drop some of his so called underperforming stars.

[He's here!]

Teams with Bang Average goalies don't tend to win trophiesHibs have had Alan Rough, Andy Goram and Jim Leighton on their books and won nothing, while the keepers in our three most recent trophy wins were John Burridge, Andy McNeil and Conrad Logan. Keepers just need to be competent and Pickford's more than capable.

[ekhibee]

All incredible players. Not one can really be compared to Messi overall, though.

Interesting debate, so you won't be surprised that on this occasion I disagree with you.

[MWHIBBIES]

Interesting debate, so you won't be surprised that on this occasion I disagree with you.

Totally fair.

Genuinely asking. In which way do any of these guys better Messi?

[MWHIBBIES]

Teams with Bang Average goalies don't tend to win trophies

Pickford has literally never let England down. Saved a penalty in every shootout he's played in for them too. And an excellent keeper for Everton. Plenty worse than him won a lot of silverware.

[BILLYHIBS]

Anyone watch Jack Butland for The Rangers versus Ajax

Comedy gold

Almost as funny as Hearts’ triumphant march along the maroon mile led by pipe bands to celebrate their 150th only to get pumped by Leyton Orient 1-2 at Tiny

[cameronw-hfc]

Totally fair.

Genuinely asking. In which way do any of these guys better Messi?

I'm sure I watched a video breaking down the stats behind messi and came away from it thinking if we go by stats and only stats, he's probably the best we will ever see.

A genuine anomaly on every single level

[PatHead]

Anyone watch Jack Butland for The Rangers versus Ajax Comedy gold Almost as funny as Hearts’ triumphant march along the maroon mile led by pipe bands to celebrate their 150th only to get pumped by Leyton Orient 1-2 at TinyDidn't know that score. Brought a smile to my face.

[Smartie]

Pickford has literally never let England down. Saved a penalty in every shootout he's played in for them too. And an excellent keeper for Everton. Plenty worse than him won a lot of silverware.

He's also quite charismatic in a squad of players that - whilst immensely talented - can appear at times to be a bit bland.

Pickford's definitely not a problem for them - working out what they do down their left side, how they keep Bellingham's ego in check and how they balance playing their talented players and keeping those who are on the bench happy most definitely are.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's also quite charismatic in a squad of players that - whilst immensely talented - can appear at times to be a bit bland.

Pickford's definitely not a problem for them - working out what they do down their left side, how they keep Bellingham's ego in check and how they balance playing their talented players and keeping those who are on the bench happy most definitely are.

Right back is also just a huge mess as well. Southgate didn't pick white, rate Trent and James is crocked. Walker was a mess this Euros.

[ekhibee]

Totally fair.

Genuinely asking. In which way do any of these guys better Messi?

Suppose if it's judged on World Cups, Pele has a far better record and performed better in them all round. Until Argentina won the last World Cup Messi hadn't always been at his best IMO. That grates on me, as I regard Messi as a truly brilliant player, but for me didn't perform as well in World Cups as Pele or Maradonna. Nowadays the Champions League is regarded as important as the World Cup IMO, but the European Cup before it, while still a hugely important tournament, doesn't seem to have the same kudos, and that's possibly down to money. So because we have access to more football nowadays, often our opinion of greatness is coloured by more recent teams and performers. It's just my opinion, and obviously you have a different one, but I should underline that I still regard Messi as one of the greatest footballers of all time

[Springbank]

All these clowns defending Pickford

Take your John Bull glasses off and do the one simple thing - look at the goals he conceded

Case in point France's opener in Qatar

Pickford loses the same goal A LOT

Exhibit B - the exact same goal v Denmark in Euro 2024

You win nothing with Bang Average goalies

[supermcginn]

All these clowns defending Pickford

Take your John Bull glasses off and do the one simple thing - look at the goals he conceded

Case in point France's opener in Qatar

Pickford loses the same goal A LOT

Exhibit B - the exact same goal v Denmark in Euro 2024

You win nothing with Bang Average goalies

He's at Everton for a reason. They are skint yet not one single big clubs wants to take him.

[weecounty hibby]

Anyone watch Jack Butland for The Rangers versus Ajax

Comedy gold

Almost as funny as Hearts’ triumphant march along the maroon mile led by pipe bands to celebrate their 150th only to get pumped by Leyton Orient 1-2 at Tiny

Was there a reason why the tarts played Leyton Orient in their 150th celebrations? I would have thought that Barca, Real Madrid, Man U, Liverpool or possibly a world select including Messi, Ronaldo etc would have been invited to show reverence to the self proclaimed "famous"

[Badge]

Right back is also just a huge mess as well. Southgate didn't pick white, rate Trent and James is crocked. Walker was a mess this Euros.

12 ‘technical observers’ picked Walker in the team of the tournament.

[eastterrace]

Was there a reason why the tarts played Leyton Orient in their 150th celebrations? I would have thought that Barca, Real Madrid, Man U, Liverpool or possibly a world select including Messi, Ronaldo etc would have been invited to show reverence to the self proclaimed "famous" Something to do with both clubs winning the war back in the day.

[He's here!]

Pickford has literally never let England down. Saved a penalty in every shootout he's played in for them too. And an excellent keeper for Everton. Plenty worse than him won a lot of silverware.Absolutely. He's comfortably the best English keeper available, recently broke Peter Shilton's record for clean sheets at international tournaments and has actually kept a clean sheet in almost half his England appearances.

[Since90+2]

He's at Everton for a reason. They are skint yet not one single big clubs wants to take him.

I think Pope is probably a better keeper in terms of his actual goalkeeping but Pickford is a presence and a character on the pitch, and for goalkeepers that matters massively.

Even if Pope was fit I still think Southgate would have played Pickford.

[Donegal Hibby]

Anyone watch Jack Butland for The Rangers versus Ajax

Comedy gold

Almost as funny as Hearts’ triumphant march along the maroon mile led by pipe bands to celebrate their 150th only to get pumped by Leyton Orient 1-2 at Tiny

2:20 and 4:00 in . Commentator says freekick one might have took abit of a deflection 😂😂

https://youtu.be/xEhco1uPIrQ?si=feYkjPhlaqAfKZZe

[MKHIBEE]

Was there a reason why the tarts played Leyton Orient in their 150th celebrations? I would thave thought that Barca, Real Madrid, Man U, Liverpool or possibly a world select including Messi, Ronaldo etc would have been invited to show reverence to the self proclaimed "famous"Apparently they were the first 2 clubs whose players signed up en masse for the war effort.

[weecounty hibby]

I'd have pickford in my team, very good keeper. My criticism of him was how many times he hoofed the ball long. But I suppose that was the agreed tactics

[weecounty hibby]

Apparently they were the first 2 clubs whose players signed up en masse for the war effort.

What a bizarre way to choose a team to play. Just screams out hearts

[Bobby's Cinema]

He's at Everton for a reason. They are skint yet not one single big clubs wants to take him.Much as I can't stand the guy, pretty sure they had one of the best, if not the best, clean sheet record in the league last season.

[Pagan Hibernia]

It’s not really is it you don’t luck your way to semi finals and finals over a long period of time.Given the number of times they have marginally lost out on penalties their record should be better than it is. Matter of time before they start winning tournaments. Natural progression imoYour last couple of sentences there... heard that a few times before over the decades. England have improved beyond recognition from a decade ago for sure but that's now 4 tournaments in a row that this talented young team have had a very real chance of winning, and they've found a way of not winning any of them. Absolutely no guarantee they're going to win anything.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Airdrie beating East Kilbride 6-0. 35 mins played

[Northernhibee]

Airdrie beating East Kilbride 6-0. 35 mins played

Isn’t that clown Simon Ferry their assistant? Couldn’t happen to a better person.

[alhibby]

Airdrie winning 8-0 now

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Dunfermline 2 down at home to forfar

[Up-the-slope]

Falkirk getting beat for first time in a while

[ancient hibee]

Spartans five up at Cove.

[He's here!]

Your last couple of sentences there... heard that a few times before over the decades. England have improved beyond recognition from a decade ago for sure but that's now 4 tournaments in a row that this talented young team have had a very real chance of winning, and they've found a way of not winning any of them. Absolutely no guarantee they're going to win anything.

Only 3 of the team for the 2018 World Cup semi-final started the game on Sunday. They've been steadily evolving and could arguably get even stronger.

[MWHIBBIES]

All these clowns defending Pickford

Take your John Bull glasses off and do the one simple thing - look at the goals he conceded

Case in point France's opener in Qatar

Pickford loses the same goal A LOT

Exhibit B - the exact same goal v Denmark in Euro 2024

You win nothing with Bang Average goalies

I've only seen Hibs win things with bang average goalies.

Pickford is a very good keeper.

[MWHIBBIES]

Suppose if it's judged on World Cups, Pele has a far better record and performed better in them all round. Until Argentina won the last World Cup Messi hadn't always been at his best IMO. That grates on me, as I regard Messi as a truly brilliant player, but for me didn't perform as well in World Cups as Pele or Maradonna. Nowadays the Champions League is regarded as important as the World Cup IMO, but the European Cup before it, while still a hugely important tournament, doesn't seem to have the same kudos, and that's possibly down to money. So because we have access to more football nowadays, often our opinion of greatness is coloured by more recent teams and performers. It's just my opinion, and obviously you have a different one, but I should underline that I still regard Messi as one of the greatest footballers of all time

Messi was excellent in 2014 world cup, really good.

You can't judge the best ever on 4 weeks every 4 years imo. Messi was putting up 60 goal seasons for 10 years at the highest level.

Messi scored 27 goals in major tournaments for Argentina, reaching 7 finals. (WC or copa America). Maradona scored 12. He literally batters maradona internationally in every possible way.

Pele had a brilliant record in world cups, no doubt. But Messi still scored more goals in the world cup than Pele. If that was Pele at his best, and Messi wasn't at his best, what does it say?

Guy is just miles clear in any statistical way. May not be your favourite but there is zero logical argument against him being clear imo.

Do respect the opinions on who was better to watch etc. Messi certainly not my favourite to watch, but his accomplishments are literally unmatched.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Only 3 of the team for the 2018 World Cup semi-final started the game on Sunday. They've been steadily evolving and could arguably get even stronger.Even stronger than what though?Yes they reached the final and only lost it to a late goal, but even a lot of England fans accept they were mediocre at best for most of that tournament and were probably fortunate to go as far as they did.Certainly a different manager may bring them the success that their players are certainly capable of but some people are talking as if it's an inevitability that they will win something soon. It isn't.

[Tambo]

Spartans five up at Cove.

Top of group E as things stand.

Johnson must've been bored tonight.

[Mcbizz1998]

I'm going along to the Hearts v Spurs game tonight, will be in the away end with my English/Spurs supporting brother in-law. Hopefully a pumping is dished out!

[ancient hibee]

Probably be Spurs u21 team.

[gbhibby]

I'm going along to the Hearts v Spurs game tonight, will be in the away end with my English/Spurs supporting brother in-law. Hopefully a pumping is dished out!
Angeball v Naebadgeball

[hibsbollah]

Angeball v Naebadgeball

Angeball vs bawdeepinsisterbaw

[LaMotta]

I'm going along to the Hearts v Spurs game tonight, will be in the away end with my English/Spurs supporting brother in-law. Hopefully a pumping is dished out!I've got Spurs membership so managed to get 2 in the away end as well. Hopefully a pumping. Full away end is sold out I think, still plenty of seats in the home end, Hearts trying to fleece their fans at £30 a pop..

[Northernhibee]

Spartans five up at Cove.

Cove went full time when they were relegated and it was a bit of an odd decision. Rather than being able to offer good wages for a part time team, I can’t imagine them being at anything other at the bottom end of wages they can offer for a full time team.

[Mcbizz1998]

I've got Spurs membership so managed to get 2 in the away end as well. Hopefully a pumping. Full away end is sold out I think, still plenty of seats in the home end, Hearts trying to fleece their fans at £30 a pop..Nice one. Glad I won't be the only Hibby in there giving it large!

[Mcbizz1998]

Probably be Spurs u21 team.My brother in-law seems to think that Maddison, Son, Bissouma, Kulusevski etc. have all travelled up today. Will be first team players mixed with some youth. Plus new signings Bergvall and Archie Gray. Should be enough to deal with that mob.

[MWHIBBIES]

My brother in-law seems to think that Maddison, Son, Bissouma, Kulusevski etc. have all travelled up today. Will be first team players mixed with some youth. Plus new signings Bergvall and Archie Gray. Should be enough to deal with that mob.

Id imagine they'll be playing, as they've done nothing all summer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

sure i read somewhere last week Jamboids and Spurs fans walking alongside each other from Haymarket to the Budge Arena boohoo smilie sick button doesn't work since the site went down

[ekhibee]

Messi was excellent in 2014 world cup, really good.

You can't judge the best ever on 4 weeks every 4 years imo. Messi was putting up 60 goal seasons for 10 years at the highest level.

Messi scored 27 goals in major tournaments for Argentina, reaching 7 finals. (WC or copa America). Maradona scored 12. He literally batters maradona internationally in every possible way.

Pele had a brilliant record in world cups, no doubt. But Messi still scored more goals in the world cup than Pele. If that was Pele at his best, and Messi wasn't at his best, what does it say?

Guy is just miles clear in any statistical way. May not be your favourite but there is zero logical argument against him being clear imo.

Do respect the opinions on who was better to watch etc. Messi certainly not my favourite to watch, but his accomplishments are literally unmatched.

A well put and accurate argument you make, I really couldn't disagree with most of it. I suppose a lot of it is a generational thing, for example people born more recently would say Frankel was the greatest ever racehorse, older people might say otherwise. Difficult one though, cos Frankel was brilliant and so was/is Messi, but like you, he's not really my favourite.

[Mcbizz1998]

sure i read somewhere last week Jamboids and Spurs fans walking alongside each other from Haymarket to the Budge Arena boohoo smilie sick button doesn't work since the site went downThey are doing that moron mile thing but didn’t think the spurs fans were involved in that. I certainly won’t be! Heading to the Roseburn now. Not sure if there will be any other spurs fans in but it’s the away pub in my eyes so just decided to go there.

[LunasBoots]

They are doing that moron mile thing but didn’t think the spurs fans were involved in that. I certainly won’t be! Heading to the Roseburn now. Not sure if there will be any other spurs fans in but it’s the away pub in my eyes so just decided to go there.

Just came back from the West coast, loads of Spurs fans around Haymarket area

[BILLYHIBS]

C’mon ye Spurs !

[Tambo]

Half decent team for spurs.

[Posh Swanny]

Monty and Sergio out on the pitch helping with the warm-ups.