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chrisski33
15-08-2019, 05:41 PM
Okay. We will bring a striker in if we get enough money from letting shaw go out on loan, if we don’t he’s not going anywhere because we can’t afford to replace him - but we aren’t skint.
Thats right we arent skint!

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 05:42 PM
Skint would mean we had money? On the other hand we may have spent our budget in wages and transfer fees already which is a completely different think and doesnt allude to us being skint! Why use such an emotive term when we are clearly in good financial health as a club?

Skint, in terms of transfers, means there is no funds left. This is a transfer thread afterall. If I spend my wages and have nothing left I’m skint and would post so on a wages thread. There is no money to spend means skint. There is no transfer budget left for players - skint. I didn’t say any other aspects of the club was in trouble, you’ve chosen to add that wee part in to suit any agenda you have.

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 05:43 PM
Thats right we arent skint!

Okay. I await more players coming in this summer then as there’s clearly a budget there to use and Hecky is winding us all up 👍

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 05:44 PM
Lennon might go in for Bodgan on a short term deal

I’m surprised he finds himself without a club.

Rumble de Thump
15-08-2019, 05:46 PM
Heckingbottom should have spent the budget on players everyone had heard of. What was he thinking? :confused:

Brightside
15-08-2019, 05:46 PM
Yes he did. Unless there’s something cryptic in the interview and there’s loads of budget elsewhere for other positions apart from strikers that he doesn’t want to spend?

He has to spend what we get in or offered for Shaw. His words. That indicted skint.

That is not what he said. You are deliberately being obtuse.

RMQ1967
15-08-2019, 05:50 PM
If I was in charge of the purse strings at Hibs I'd be taking stock of the quality of players that have arrived before releasing any more money. Hibs have always backed managers with decent cash but unfortunately the managers haven't used it well in the past & the funds dry up when they're not delivering. Why throw good money after bad.
I trust Heckingbottom to improve what he's brought in but it's still very early days for the new players & it could go either way.
Hibs have a sensible planning & approach to player finances. If Heckingbottom isn't the guy for Hibs there will be money in the bank for the next guy.

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 05:50 PM
That is not what he said. You are deliberately being obtuse.

No I’m not. Iit’s exactly what he said.

Unseen work
15-08-2019, 05:54 PM
If I was in charge of the purse strings at Hibs I'd be taking stock of the quality of players that have arrived before releasing any more money. Hibs have always backed managers with decent cash but unfortunately the managers haven't used it well in the past & the funds dry up when they're not delivering. Why throw good money after bad.
I trust Heckingbottom to improve what he's brought in but it's still very early days for the new players & it could go either way.
Hibs have a sensible planning & approach to player finances. If Heckingbottom isn't the guy for Hibs there will be money in the bank for the next guy.

Unfortunatley it’s not fair to do that, either back them fully or don’t. They can’t be holding off and not backing their manager with everything.

Heckingbottom deserves full backing after what he achieved last season, that shouldn’t change because were not firing on all cylinders. If the player he wants is a centre mid, that might be the missing piece that transforms us

brog
15-08-2019, 05:57 PM
Yes he did. Unless there’s something cryptic in the interview and there’s loads of budget elsewhere for other positions apart from strikers that he doesn’t want to spend?

He has to spend what we get in or offered for Shaw. His words. That indicted skint.


No he didn't. He said we weren't looking for players & would only let Oli out on loan if we had a replacement at same cost. That's a long way from saying we're skint. He's said from day 1 he's wanted to put his own stamp on the team & that's now what he's got. I get the feeling he's enjoying this challenge & looking forward to proving the doubters wrong. FWIW I'm not convinced but he has to be given the chance & if he manages half as well as he talks then we'll be alright.

SMAXXA
15-08-2019, 05:58 PM
No I’m not. Iit’s exactly what he said.

No he never 😂

jeffers
15-08-2019, 05:59 PM
Unfortunatley it’s not fair to do that, either back them fully or don’t. They can’t be holding off and not backing their manager with everything.

Heckingbottom deserves full backing after what he achieved last season, that shouldn’t change because were not firing on all cylinders. If the player he wants is a centre mid, that might be the missing piece that transforms us

I’m not buying that either. It would mean our board have done exactly what a lot of us on here have been told is far too early to do - judge our new signings as not good enough.

Fuzzywuzzy
15-08-2019, 06:00 PM
Calvin miller's not too happy at parkhead

Real Emerald
15-08-2019, 06:01 PM
No he didn't. He said we weren't looking for players & would only let Oli out on loan if we had a replacement at same cost. That's a long way from saying we're skint. He's said from day 1 he's wanted to put his own stamp on the team & that's now what he's got. I get the feeling he's enjoying this challenge & looking forward to proving the doubters wrong. FWIW I'm not convinced but he has to be given the chance & if he manages half as well as he talks then we'll be alright.

He talks a load of rubbish though, states he wants players of a certain type and certain fitness levels to play a certain way and then does the exact opposite. That’s not talking well in my opinion.

CB_NO3
15-08-2019, 06:01 PM
If I was in charge of the purse strings at Hibs I'd be taking stock of the quality of players that have arrived before releasing any more money. Hibs have always backed managers with decent cash but unfortunately the managers haven't used it well in the past & the funds dry up when they're not delivering. Why throw good money after bad.
I trust Heckingbottom to improve what he's brought in but it's still very early days for the new players & it could go either way.
Hibs have a sensible planning & approach to player finances. If Heckingbottom isn't the guy for Hibs there will be money in the bank for the next guy.
Not really a good business model that. A poor season can easily be 2000 fans giving up season tickets next season. That is the reality.

BoomtownHibees
15-08-2019, 06:02 PM
Hardly his fault if hes no more money to spend...its the Board who need to answer the fans questions on this??

Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk

It is his fault if he has spent the whole budget on *****

MWHIBBIES
15-08-2019, 06:08 PM
Que our board accepting a low offer.

When have Hibs ever accepted low offers from the old firm?

Paisley Hibby
15-08-2019, 06:10 PM
Heckingbottom should have spent the budget on football players. What was he thinking? :confused:
Fixed that for you 😉

Billy Whizz
15-08-2019, 06:10 PM
Calvin miller's not too happy at parkhead

Struggled at Dundee last season on loan

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 06:16 PM
When have Hibs ever accepted low offers from the old firm?

Derek Riordan?

Unseen work
15-08-2019, 06:17 PM
Calvin miller's not too happy at parkhead

He can stay away from us too, Mackie is better.

would love to see us go for Euan Henderson though once we get a defensive midfielder in....

MWHIBBIES
15-08-2019, 06:25 PM
Derek Riordan?

Eh, wasn't his contact up? Bit different when he's already signed for the other team

Haymaker
15-08-2019, 06:32 PM
Rocky for Griffiths. :aok:

:hyper

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 06:34 PM
Eh, wasn't his contact up? Bit different when he's already signed for the other team

His contract was almost up. Only example in recent times Incan remember though since Agathe.

K-Zazu
15-08-2019, 06:35 PM
He can stay away from us too, Mackie is better.

would love to see us go for Euan Henderson though once we get a defensive midfielder in....

We aren’t signing a defensive midfielder. We’ve no money.

Cod Boy
15-08-2019, 06:40 PM
Suprised me why Maxwell would come up to sit on the bench when he could have done that at Preston.

Kato
15-08-2019, 06:45 PM
Derek Riordan?

:rolleyes:

RMQ1967
15-08-2019, 06:46 PM
Unfortunatley it’s not fair to do that, either back them fully or don’t. They can’t be holding off and not backing their manager with everything.

Heckingbottom deserves full backing after what he achieved last season, that shouldn’t change because were not firing on all cylinders. If the player he wants is a centre mid, that might be the missing piece that transforms us

Surely there has to be a balance? Would you continue to throw money to someone who may be squandering it on garbage?

Any manager should be backed to a point but they need to demonstrate they know what they're doing.

I like Heckingbottom & what he did last season but he inherited those players.

Let's see what his own played can do before we push the boat out any further.

Vault Boy
15-08-2019, 06:47 PM
Que our board accepting a low offer.

Nonsense. Dempster has been steadfast in her position of not undervaluing our talent, and in the clear case of McGinn, not selling to domestic rivals where possible.

Unsubstantiated, one-liner digs like this don't provide any useful discussion, it's just patently untrue.

Billy Whizz
15-08-2019, 06:49 PM
Suprised me why Maxwell would come up to sit on the bench when he could have done that at Preston.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see him start on Saturday, needs games to keep his match fit

RMQ1967
15-08-2019, 06:49 PM
Not really a good business model that. A poor season can easily be 2000 fans giving up season tickets next season. That is the reality.

Do you think that throwing all your available funds to someone who may not know what they're doing is a good business model?

Heisenberg
15-08-2019, 07:09 PM
At least we didn’t sign Funso!

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 07:28 PM
:rolleyes:

So Hibs never accepted a low offer for him then? Great contribution.

MWHIBBIES
15-08-2019, 07:31 PM
His contract was almost up. Only example in recent times Incan remember though since Agathe.

Did you expect a million for a guy with 2 months on his contact?

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 07:32 PM
Did you expect a million for a guy with 2 months on his contact?

No, why would I? You asked a question, I answered it. There was a little sarcasm in it, sorry.

Kato
15-08-2019, 07:39 PM
So Hibs never accepted a low offer for him then? Great contribution.

He had four months left on his contract and wasn't going sign another a couple of hundred grand is actually a good deal.

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 07:47 PM
He had four months left on his contract and wasn't going sign another a couple of hundred grand is actually a good deal.

I didn’t say it wasn’t.

Kato
15-08-2019, 07:55 PM
I didn’t say it wasn’t.

You pointed it out as a low offer. It wasn't it was perfectly fair.

Speedway
15-08-2019, 07:57 PM
Chaps, for contrast, we give Hibs roughly £20k a month via HSL.

FoH are giving Hearts £200k a month.

Does that solve the signing mystery?

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 08:01 PM
You pointed it out as a low offer. It wasn't it was perfectly fair.

It was Peanuts but better than nothing. Not that it matters a great deal regardless.

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 08:02 PM
Chaps, for contrast, we give Hibs roughly £20k a month via HSL.

FoH are giving Hearts £200k a month.

Does that solve the signing mystery?

Aren’t they saving it all up to buy out Budge?

Blaster
15-08-2019, 08:03 PM
Chaps, for contrast, we give Hibs roughly £20k a month via HSL.

FoH are giving Hearts £200k a month.

Does that solve the signing mystery?

And we (HSL) are currently giving them nothing.

calumhibee1
15-08-2019, 08:03 PM
Chaps, for contrast, we give Hibs roughly £20k a month via HSL.

FoH are giving Hearts £200k a month.

Does that solve the signing mystery?

We do however have more season tickets and received a substantial sum for McGinn by all accounts. Doesn’t close the gap completely but it should clear a big chunk of it.

Speedway
15-08-2019, 08:06 PM
We do however have more season tickets and received a substantial sum for McGinn by all accounts. Doesn’t close the gap completely but it should clear a big chunk of it.

Not even close Calum, because they then have further benefactors giving them big money.

5th biggest budget in Scotland this year and a good way short of 4th.

bingo70
15-08-2019, 08:06 PM
We do however have more season tickets and received a substantial sum for McGinn by all accounts. Doesn’t close the gap completely but it should clear a big chunk of it.

Does the fact we’ve paid off our stadium and they’re still paying for it not equal that out to an extent too?

Torto7
15-08-2019, 08:07 PM
We do however have more season tickets and received a substantial sum for McGinn by all accounts. Doesn’t close the gap completely but it should clear a big chunk of it.

Also nobody I've seen is asking for anything outlandish, just for the squad to be more complete.

Speedway
15-08-2019, 08:08 PM
Also nobody I've seen is asking for anything outlandish, just for the squad to be more complete.

Yeah but the money’s gone on 2 & 3 year deals for folk.

The money’s gone it seems.

calumhibee1
15-08-2019, 08:09 PM
Not even close Calum, because they then have further benefactors giving them big money.

5th biggest budget in Scotland this year and a good way short of 4th.

True, the benefactors will make a big difference.

theonlywayisup
15-08-2019, 09:08 PM
Not much Hibs news!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/gossip

Only Defender Ryan Porteous could make his first competitive appearance for Hibernian since January in Saturday's League Cup match against Morton after coming through 90 minutes of a development game on Tuesday. (Daily Express, print edition)

SquashedFrogg
15-08-2019, 09:16 PM
Also nobody I've seen is asking for anything outlandish, just for the squad to be more complete.

What have you seen? What are they looking for?

SquashedFrogg
15-08-2019, 09:17 PM
Not much Hibs news!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/gossip

Only Defender Ryan Porteous could make his first competitive appearance for Hibernian since January in Saturday's League Cup match against Morton after coming through 90 minutes of a development game on Tuesday. (Daily Express, print edition)

Good news 👍

007
15-08-2019, 09:28 PM
Chaps, for contrast, we give Hibs roughly £20k a month via HSL.

FoH are giving Hearts £200k a month.

Does that solve the signing mystery?

Last I was aware it was £125k per month, according to the article below. Who told you it was £200k, a Jambo by any chance? Not like them to make stuff up.

Your point is still valid though, it is still a lot more.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/foundation-of-hearts-want-ann-budge-to-stay-beyond-2020-takeover-1-4743979

Paisley Hibby
15-08-2019, 09:32 PM
The thing is we know as fans what Cummings can do - he scores goals.

We don’t know what Doidge /Newell/vela do as they are heckingbottoms players.

if there is no money left and we stick with what we have then it’s s long hard season and I’d think the manager will come under big pressure from the stands as season ticket holders will not be happy
Our problem last year was our midfield - Lennon couldn't fix it. Heckingbottom still hasn't fixed it. Signing Cummings won't help that problem.

Nicho87
15-08-2019, 09:34 PM
Just watched heckys interview.

Very uninspiring. Not in the market for new players.

simply baffling statement to make when you’ve just been pumped 6-1.

even a white lie of well that result give him reason to look at new blood to help get the current squads fingers out.

Heisenberg
15-08-2019, 09:37 PM
PH has confirmed we aren’t interested in Cummings.

jacomo
15-08-2019, 09:43 PM
Rangers have signed Andy King on loan from Leicester.

Two thoughts:

1. He’s a good player and won’t be cheap. Der Hun are going for it
2. Is Brendan Rodgers trolling his old club?

007
15-08-2019, 09:44 PM
Just watched heckys interview.

Very uninspiring. Not in the market for new players.

simply baffling statement to make when you’ve just been pumped 6-1.

even a white lie of well that result give him reason to look at new blood to help get the current squads fingers out.

If he had hinted we are considering bringing more in when actually we aren't, how do you think that'd go down with the fans come the end of the window and nobody else in?

essexhibee
15-08-2019, 09:44 PM
Rangers have signed Andy King on loan from Leicester.

Two thoughts:

1. He’s a good player and won’t be cheap. Der Hun are going for it
2. Is Brendan Rodgers trolling his old club?

Their squad depth is unbelievable really. Will win the league imo.

The 90+2
15-08-2019, 09:45 PM
Rangers have signed Andy King on loan from Leicester.

Two thoughts:

1. He’s a good player and won’t be cheap. Der Hun are going for it
2. Is Brendan Rodgers trolling his old club?


Rodgers helping out Gerrard.

Nicho87
15-08-2019, 09:47 PM
If he had hinted we are considering bringing more in when actually we aren't, how do you think that'd go down with the fans come the end of the window and nobody else in?

Not any worse than signing a bunch of unknowns from league two and league 1 personally.

jacomo
15-08-2019, 09:53 PM
Rodgers helping out Gerrard.


Rodgers the Celtc fan. And him and Gerrard aren’t mates as far as I know, but maybe that’s changed.

CB_NO3
15-08-2019, 09:54 PM
Do you think that throwing all your available funds to someone who may not know what they're doing is a good business model?

No one said throw all available funds at the manager. The fact is our squad is really weak and lacks quality.

Centre Hawf
15-08-2019, 09:58 PM
I'm feeling really deflated at the moment. Nothing to get my excited about this season. One or Two marquee names would be perfect but it looks like we're not even going to get one or two anything.

random sub
15-08-2019, 10:07 PM
I see our former signing target Ojo got sent off for Aberdeen tonight. The fans comments are interesting- saying he is too slow and clumsy for Scottish Premier League football.....

007
15-08-2019, 10:11 PM
I'm feeling really deflated at the moment. Nothing to get my excited about this season. One or Two marquee names would be perfect but it looks like we're not even going to get one or two anything.

If you've been reading .Net and other social media re Hibs then it's not surprising you're feeling deflated. Dear Deirdre recommends you avoid it if you can tomorrow and on Saturday until after the Morton game. If Hibs play well and win with a bit to spare then you can try opening the post-match thread. :wink:

hibbyfraelibby
15-08-2019, 10:15 PM
I see our former signing target Ojo got sent off for Aberdeen tonight. The fans comments are interesting- saying he is too slow and clumsy for Scottish Premier League football.....

I really am convinced that we threw a curve ball with Ojo. Letting it be known about our interest in the knowledgd that McInnes would try to snap him up from under our noses just because he could but at the cost of a significant wedge of his budget because we had Vela lined up secretly in the bbackground and we didn't want him or Ross getting a sniff and scupper the deal...

...I also believe in alien abduction and that Potter is a manager

RMQ1967
15-08-2019, 10:16 PM
No one said throw all available funds at the manager. The fact is our squad is really weak and lacks quality.

Actually they did;
"Unfortunatley it’s not fair to do that, either back them fully or don’t. They can’t be holding off and not backing their manager with everything."

S4uzee
15-08-2019, 10:16 PM
I see our former signing target Ojo got sent off for Aberdeen tonight. The fans comments are interesting- saying he is too slow and clumsy for Scottish Premier League football.....

Even more worrying he was our no.1 target then ..... all signings following the same path

EVENTUALLY
15-08-2019, 10:18 PM
Just watched heckys interview.

Very uninspiring. Not in the market for new players.

simply baffling statement to make when you’ve just been pumped 6-1.

even a white lie of well that result give him reason to look at new blood to help get the current squads fingers out.

I think he's not being truthful. A harsh lesson was learned by publicly revealing the club's interest in Ojo only for Aberdeen to emerge and trump Hibs to sing the player.

He has hinted that the club are always looking at players in case things quickly change with injuries or bids for Hibs players.

I think we will make more signings before the deadline.

Coco Bryce
15-08-2019, 10:31 PM
We've dodged a bullet not getting Ojo. He's worse than Newell.

BILLYHIBS
15-08-2019, 10:32 PM
We've dodged a bullet not getting Ojo. He's worse than Newell.

Naw

jacomo
15-08-2019, 10:34 PM
We've dodged a bullet not getting Ojo. He's worse than Newell.


Sweet. Reason to be positive.

Plenty of fans at Newell’s old club said he was inconsistent but had a bit of quality about him. So let’s be more positive!

Coco Bryce
15-08-2019, 10:36 PM
Sweet. Reason to be positive.

Plenty of fans at Newell’s old club said he was inconsistent but had a bit of quality about him. So let’s be more positive!

He's not inconsistent he's consistent.

CapitalGreen
15-08-2019, 10:42 PM
Yeah but the money’s gone on 2 & 3 year deals for folk.

The money’s gone it seems.

The length of a player’s deal shouldn’t impact on the budget for a season, unless we are “borrowing” from our future budgets to afford these players.

If a player is signed on a 3 year deal, their 1st year salary comes from this seasons budget, their 2nd year salary from next seasons budget and so on. A player earning £2k pw on a 1 year deal should have the same impact on this seasons budget as a player earning £2k pw on a 3 year deal.

Vault Boy
15-08-2019, 10:47 PM
We've dodged a bullet not getting Ojo.

Certainly looks like it. Hopefully Vela can start to make his own impact on that position in the coming weeks.

Brightside
15-08-2019, 10:54 PM
Yet another team that’s recruited better than us.

jeffers
15-08-2019, 10:58 PM
Yet another team that’s recruited better than us.

Do you think we've recruited well this season ?

bigwheel
15-08-2019, 11:09 PM
Do you think we've recruited well this season ?

Too early to judge ...

SMAXXA
15-08-2019, 11:11 PM
Too early to judge ...

Correct

jeffers
15-08-2019, 11:12 PM
Correct

At what point is it OK to judge ?

SMAXXA
15-08-2019, 11:17 PM
At what point is it OK to judge ?

Imo I’d be giving any player and manager 10 games into a season but that’s a personal view. Certainly not after 2 league games. I’m not saying these players existing and newly signed will be all great I’m just holding off definitely forming an opinion either way for the moment. A just hope none read this site that’s for sure

Captain Trips
15-08-2019, 11:17 PM
At what point is it OK to judge ?

We can judge when we like for me 2 or 3 games I won't judge good or bad. I will see how the players get on over next few weeks I'm sure their performance and our points total will indicate enough.

DTS
15-08-2019, 11:18 PM
I don’t understand the objection to us signing players from lower league English teams, where would you like them to come from? St Johnstone, St Mirren? We’ve had our fare share of success from players coming from down south. Also players very rarely set the world on fire 2/3 games in. Scott Allan in the championship didn’t start really getting at it until about October time, John mcginn was nowhere near the player in the cup final in his first few games, people weren’t bothered about keeping LG after his first loan spell same goes for Dylan Mcgeouch. Players take time to settle and need to be given a chance before they’re written off. “Going back to the fenlon and butcher days” there’s a difference in signing players who are sought after and have been successful down south to an extent and to signing players on loan who had previously failed at clubs like Wimbledon etc.

What counts as a marquee signing? If we pulled a John mcginn from the bag now I don’t think anyone would be buzzing the reaction would be “young player who got relegated from the premiership hows that going to help” you don’t know if a players “marquee” until he’s played and played well

Real Emerald
15-08-2019, 11:20 PM
We can judge when we like for me 2 or 3 games I won't judge good or bad. I will see how the players get on over next few weeks I'm sure their performance and our points total will indicate enough.

Fans are getting restless because there is little sign of more quality or even just more players being added to the squad. Years

Real Emerald
15-08-2019, 11:24 PM
We can judge when we like for me 2 or 3 games I won't judge good or bad. I will see how the players get on over next few weeks I'm sure their performance and our points total will indicate enough.

Fans are getting restless because there is little sign of more quality or even just more players being added to the squad. Years of watching a car crash unfolding at Hibs have people rightly worried. We have a couple of weeks left in this window. If judgments are not made quickly by the club and the players we’ve signed turn out as unconvincing as they have looked then it will be too late. That’s why fans are voicing their concerns now, by September there’s nothing that will help.

DTS
15-08-2019, 11:26 PM
Fans are getting restless because there is little sign of more quality or even just more players being added to the squad. Years of watching a car crash unfolding at Hibs have people rightly worried. We have a couple of weeks left in this window. If judgments are not made quickly by the club and the players we’ve signed turn out as unconvincing as they have looked then it will be too late. That’s why fans are voicing their concerns now, by September there’s nothing that will help.

So are you advocating just signings players to bulk up a squad even if they’re not good enough? Will we just go and sign more players like melon and Mavrias last season just so fans are happy to see a new face in the door?

jeffers
15-08-2019, 11:26 PM
Imo I’d be giving any player and manager 10 games into a season but that’s a personal view. Certainly not after 2 league games. I’m not saying these players existing and newly signed will be all great I’m just holding off definitely forming an opinion either way for the moment. A just hope none read this site that’s for sure

Fair enough, that's reasonable. I would probably say the same and I keep using Sam Cosgrove as an example of a player who took a long time to show. Trouble is despite me believing that I can't help have an initial impression about players and so far I'm not encouraged.

Real Emerald
15-08-2019, 11:30 PM
So are you advocating just signings players to bulk up a squad even if they’re not good enough? Will we just go and sign more players like melon and Mavrias last season just so fans are happy to see a new face in the door?

Do you actually think that’s what I’m saying, sign more players that aren’t good enough??

SMAXXA
15-08-2019, 11:30 PM
Fair enough, that's reasonable. I would probably say the same and I keep using Sam Cosgrove as an example of a player who took a long time to show. Trouble is despite me believing that I can't help have an initial impression about players and so far I'm not encouraged.

I don’t think your being unreasonable as none have been outstanding thus far but I think most will come good maybe more worried with Newall again just my opinion

DTS
15-08-2019, 11:38 PM
Do you actually think that’s what I’m saying, sign more players that aren’t good enough??

“Or even just more players getting added to the squad” seems like you’re saying fans would be happy just to have numbers in the door. Not saying we shouldn’t be in the market still but I genuinely only think we’re one CM short if it doesn’t come in then it’s not the end of the world, hearts and Aberdeen regularly give young midfielders a chance and I’m more than happy to see if Stirling or Campbell can cut it. A quick look at the Aberdeen website suggests they have 4 “experienced” centre mids the same number as us and then have 3 young midfielders listed in the first team with a combined 6 appearances between them. Hearts have 3 experienced CM’s listed but don’t have the 2 new guys listed but also have Olly Lee on it who’s been told to leave or already has so that’s also 4 supplemented by youth, if everyone else does it why can’t we start giving our youngsters more opportunity? Our squad is not as light as everyone thinks re numbers, does it lack quality then only time will tell, hecky like everyone else will live and die on signings and results 2 games into the season isn’t time to judge if the window was a success. Mid October when we’ve sort of played most teams we’ll have a true reflection of us and the league

007
15-08-2019, 11:45 PM
“Or even just more players getting added to the squad” seems like you’re saying fans would be happy just to have numbers in the door. Not saying we shouldn’t be in the market still but I genuinely only think we’re one CM short if it doesn’t come in then it’s not the end of the world, hearts and Aberdeen regularly give young midfielders a chance and I’m more than happy to see if Stirling or Campbell can cut it. A quick look at the Aberdeen website suggests they have 4 “experienced” centre mids the same number as us and then have 3 young midfielders listed in the first team with a combined 6 appearances between them. Hearts have 3 experienced CM’s listed but don’t have the 2 new guys listed but also have Olly Lee on it who’s been told to leave or already has so that’s also 4 supplemented by youth, if everyone else does it why can’t we start giving our youngsters more opportunity? Our squad is not as light as everyone thinks re numbers, does it lack quality then only time will tell, hecky like everyone else will live and die on signings and results 2 games into the season isn’t time to judge if the window was a success. Mid October when we’ve sort of played most teams we’ll have a true reflection of us and the league

A very sensible post.

Probably losing their sh*t about their team on the Aberdeen forum right now though.

Real Emerald
15-08-2019, 11:47 PM
“Or even just more players getting added to the squad” seems like you’re saying fans would be happy just to have numbers in the door. Not saying we shouldn’t be in the market still but I genuinely only think we’re one CM short if it doesn’t come in then it’s not the end of the world, hearts and Aberdeen regularly give young midfielders a chance and I’m more than happy to see if Stirling or Campbell can cut it. A quick look at the Aberdeen website suggests they have 4 “experienced” centre mids the same number as us and then have 3 young midfielders listed in the first team with a combined 6 appearances between them. Hearts have 3 experienced CM’s listed but don’t have the 2 new guys listed but also have Olly Lee on it who’s been told to leave or already has so that’s also 4 supplemented by youth, if everyone else does it why can’t we start giving our youngsters more opportunity? Our squad is not as light as everyone thinks re numbers, does it lack quality then only time will tell, hecky like everyone else will live and die on signings and results 2 games into the season isn’t time to judge if the window was a success. Mid October when we’ve sort of played most teams we’ll have a true reflection of us and the league

We need some quality, athleticism, drive and passion. But we are saying we’re signing no one else. The club need to make a decision now, not in October as we’re short in numbers as well as some real quality, we obviously don’t want anymore bulking up of unsustainable players.

DTS
15-08-2019, 11:57 PM
We need some quality, athleticism, drive and passion. But we are saying we’re signing no one else. The club need to make a decision now, not in October as we’re short in numbers as well as some real quality, we obviously don’t want anymore bulking up of unsustainable players.

If we’re saying that we’re singing no one else then the decision has been made surely? As for desire quality athleticism I think we’re doing a dis-service to the players we have currently. For my money outside of the old firm a midfield containing Scott Allan stevie mallan and Josh Vela is easily as good as anyone else’s you then have slivka and Murray able to come in who are both capable of driving with the ball and taking players on I think Murray will end up having a big break through season, despite last weeks shambles I think with our strongest back 4 out (from today’s presser doesn’t seem too far away) we’ll be solid at the back and they players supplemented with your Horgan Middleton and Kamberi should be plenty to see us through games. It’s as if we’ve been knocked out the league cup and lost both league games the amount of negativity. Yes we didn’t play great in the league cup but we got the job done and we beat St Mirren without looking great(on another day could’ve been 4 easily) but isn’t that a trait the majority of us would want in a team? Grind out a result late on and not throwing in the towel?

Real Emerald
16-08-2019, 12:07 AM
If we’re saying that we’re singing no one else then the decision has been made surely? As for desire quality athleticism I think we’re doing a dis-service to the players we have currently. For my money outside of the old firm a midfield containing Scott Allan stevie mallan and Josh Vela is easily as good as anyone else’s you then have slivka and Murray able to come in who are both capable of driving with the ball and taking players on I think Murray will end up having a big break through season, despite last weeks shambles I think with our strongest back 4 out (from today’s presser doesn’t seem too far away) we’ll be solid at the back and they players supplemented with your Horgan Middleton and Kamberi should be plenty to see us through games. It’s as if we’ve been knocked out the league cup and lost both league games the amount of negativity. Yes we didn’t play great in the league cup but we got the job done and we beat St Mirren without looking great(on another day could’ve been 4 easily) but isn’t that a trait the majority of us would want in a team? Grind out a result late on and not throwing in the towel?

You’re a good Hibby and I respect your optimism but I think we are way short in midfield and upfront. The St Mirren game was a paceless borefest for me. I’d love to have a feel good factor but I think we’ve a poor wafer thin squad. It’s worrying that our recruitment has ended but give me some of your happy pills please 😊

DTS
16-08-2019, 12:13 AM
You’re a good Hibby and I respect your optimism but I think we are way short in midfield and upfront. The St Mirren game was a paceless borefest for me. I’d love to have a feel good factor but I think we’ve a poor wafer thin squad. It’s worrying that our recruitment has ended but give me some of your happy pills please 😊

I never once said the St Mirren game was good, but I refuse to write of a squad after 2 league games one of which we won. I’m not going to tell you how to feel towards our squad I just think people are jumping on a bandwagon, I feel like there’s a lot of quality in the squad it needs to be proved though and consistently we “should” have plenty of goals from our midfield mallan hit double figures last year and Allan I believe will this season. As for the happy pills never needed anything of the sort side somewhere in the Easter road area on Saturday could sort you out though

Real Emerald
16-08-2019, 12:20 AM
I never once said the St Mirren game was good, but I refuse to write of a squad after 2 league games one of which we won. I’m not going to tell you how to feel towards our squad I just think people are jumping on a bandwagon, I feel like there’s a lot of quality in the squad it needs to be proved though and consistently we “should” have plenty of goals from our midfield mallan hit double figures last year and Allan I believe will this season. As for the happy pills never needed anything of the sort side somewhere in the Easter road area on Saturday could sort you out though

😂 Happy pills noted! I don’t think people are jumping on the bandwagon, it’s like what happened with Fenlon when loads of obscure English lower league players were signed that paved the way to our eventual relegation. There are huge similarities in what’s unfolding now and in my opinion people are rightly concerned as the previous wounds haven’t properly healed. Hopefully you’re right though.

GibbytheHibby2
16-08-2019, 02:13 AM
Imo I’d be giving any player and manager 10 games into a season but that’s a personal view. Certainly not after 2 league games. I’m not saying these players existing and newly signed will be all great I’m just holding off definitely forming an opinion either way for the moment. A just hope none read this site that’s for sure

This isn’t a dig at you. I recall a certain Paul Elliott as Celtic CH. he was a nightmare in his first season. 2nd season he was the Scottish league POTY and won it deservedly. Players can have bad starts and recover.

I suppose it is more difficult and more obvious if you have a bigger turnover of players... which we were told wasn’t our model any longer. Maybe these 2 and 3 year deals are part of that - as long as we don’t let them all expire at the same time and actually re-new the decent ones early.

Unseen work
16-08-2019, 02:53 AM
We’re not the only ones frustrated or questioning recruitment. Went and had a look at the Aberdeen fans forum and this was one posters review

“Who the **** scouts for us? Not sure any of the signings will be classified as good.

Leigh...plodder, will get raped by anyone with pace.

Hedges...will be inconsistent, the one that possesses the most chance to make an impact

Gallagher...will run and run but but lacks end product.

Main...seems no better than May.

Ojo..tidy player but only when given time to play, under pressure ***** and will no doubt get collared by the refs in the spl

Wilson...if he plays games he might do something, but the fact he can't get a game ahead of Main tells us something.

Bryson.. let's see.”

A lot are slating Ojo after tonight.

FWIW I think Vela, Jackson, Allan and James all look like they’ve quality and will be good additions Doidge and Newell seem to be the scapegoats already, a goal will change that for Doidge and Newell was one of our better players against Elgin and St mirren imo. He needs to influence games more as he has the ability imo. Middleton will prove a very good addition, I have no doubt that fans will be impressed and like him. Maxwell Iv not seen enough of but he’s purely cover.

Were just desperate for more quality and depth in the squad.

Dmas
16-08-2019, 04:34 AM
I don’t understand the objection to us signing players from lower league English teams, where would you like them to come from? St Johnstone, St Mirren? We’ve had our fare share of success from players coming from down south. Also players very rarely set the world on fire 2/3 games in. Scott Allan in the championship didn’t start really getting at it until about October time, John mcginn was nowhere near the player in the cup final in his first few games, people weren’t bothered about keeping LG after his first loan spell same goes for Dylan Mcgeouch. Players take time to settle and need to be given a chance before they’re written off. “Going back to the fenlon and butcher days” there’s a difference in signing players who are sought after and have been successful down south to an extent and to signing players on loan who had previously failed at clubs like Wimbledon etc.

What counts as a marquee signing? If we pulled a John mcginn from the bag now I don’t think anyone would be buzzing the reaction would be “young player who got relegated from the premiership hows that going to help” you don’t know if a players “marquee” until he’s played and played well

The lower league English thing is a nonsense most on here would wet themselves if we signed Louis moult for example signed by Motherwell from Wrexham, our own Scottish cup legends David gray and Conrad Logan spent their whole careers around the lower leagues down south

Since452
16-08-2019, 05:08 AM
Imo I’d be giving any player and manager 10 games into a season but that’s a personal view. Certainly not after 2 league games. I’m not saying these players existing and newly signed will be all great I’m just holding off definitely forming an opinion either way for the moment. A just hope none read this site that’s for sure

Especially when the 2nd game was Rangers away

Unseen work
16-08-2019, 05:23 AM
It makes no difference where we sign a player from.

Guys like Hyndman, Nelom, Mavrias and Gauld came in with a pretty good CV and none of them looked good.

Guys like Gray, Bartley and Logan come in with no expectations and do brilliantly.

Ayr, Man Utd, or Forrest Green - It doesn’t make a difference where they come from, it’s what they do when they’re with us.

Were 2 games into the season, let’s be patient.

Hermit Crab
16-08-2019, 05:28 AM
It makes no difference where we sign a player from.

Guys like Hyndman, Nelom, Mavrias and Gauld came in with a pretty good CV and none of them looked good.

Guys like Gray, Bartley and Logan come in with no expectations and do brilliantly.

Ayr, Man Utd, or Forrest Green - It doesn’t make a difference where they come from, it’s what they do when they’re with us.

Were 2 games into the season, let’s be patient.


Gauld has to be the most disappointing signing I’ve ever seen.

Dmas
16-08-2019, 05:29 AM
It makes no difference where we sign a player from.

Guys like Hyndman, Nelom, Mavrias and Gauld came in with a pretty good CV and none of them looked good.

Guys like Gray, Bartley and Logan come in with no expectations and do brilliantly.

Ayr, Man Utd, or Forrest Green - It doesn’t make a difference where they come from, it’s what they do when they’re with us.

Were 2 games into the season, let’s be patient.

Well said that man

MWHIBBIES
16-08-2019, 05:31 AM
The lower league English thing is a nonsense most on here would wet themselves if we signed Louis moult for example signed by Motherwell from Wrexham, our own Scottish cup legends David gray and Conrad Logan spent their whole careers around the lower leagues down south

Yep, it's an absolute load of *****. This site has a bizarre agenda against English football, every time there is a bad game on tele there is a thread along the lines of "best league in the world, give me a break". Constantly talking down and comparing. It's sad really and no different to English fans putting our league down. I guess that's why the new lads are being dismissed so quickly. I've been on here a while now and never seen new signings ripped apart like this. I remember the ***** calderwood signed, Thornhill, Palsson, Agogo, Scott, O'Hanlon etc getting far more time to show what they had.

The last 2 guys to lift trophy's for Hibs both dross from English lower leagues.

Unseen work
16-08-2019, 05:50 AM
Anyone know anything about this lad hearts are getting on loan from Man City?

Must be a player if City only just signed him this summer. Not your usual youngster who has been there for 10 years and is under contract.

RG63
16-08-2019, 06:19 AM
We need some quality, athleticism, drive and passion. But we are saying we’re signing no one else. The club need to make a decision now, not in October as we’re short in numbers as well as some real quality, we obviously don’t want anymore bulking up of unsustainable players.

Exactly. There is no one that gets you off your feet in midfield in a way that SJM did. I know he is potentially a one off in terms of ability but there must be others out there who can press and Harry like he did. Most of our midfield are pulling out a tackle before the balls even reached an opponent.

calumhibee1
16-08-2019, 06:24 AM
It makes no difference where we sign a player from.

Guys like Hyndman, Nelom, Mavrias and Gauld came in with a pretty good CV and none of them looked good.

Guys like Gray, Bartley and Logan come in with no expectations and do brilliantly.

Ayr, Man Utd, or Forrest Green - It doesn’t make a difference where they come from, it’s what they do when they’re with us.

Were 2 games into the season, let’s be patient.

:agree:

madhatter
16-08-2019, 07:16 AM
I get the feeling Hibs are playing a super long game. Invest a set amount on senior team and then plough more money on getting best youth on board. Very dangerous game as you are playing with fans loyalty, we cant have a really poor season. Having 3 strikers at the club and an OAP defence with "no money" statements coming out the club...all after a takeover. All this will piling on the pressure for them to succeed.

matty_f
16-08-2019, 07:22 AM
Gauld has to be the most disappointing signing I’ve ever seen.

Islam Feruz takes that title, imho.

Onceinawhile
16-08-2019, 07:23 AM
I get the feeling Hibs are playing a super long game. Invest a set amount on senior team and then plough more money on getting best youth on board. Very dangerous game as you are playing with fans loyalty, we cant have a really poor season. Having 3 strikers at the club and an OAP defence with "no money" statements coming out the club...all after a takeover. All this will piling on the pressure for them to succeed.

Oap defence?

McGregor, gray and whittaker are over 30. One is third choice left/right back and one is likely 3rd or 4th choice centre back.

Hanlon, Porteous, stevenson, James, mackieand Jackson aren't.

Borderhibbie76
16-08-2019, 07:26 AM
It makes no difference where we sign a player from.

Guys like Hyndman, Nelom, Mavrias and Gauld came in with a pretty good CV and none of them looked good.

Guys like Gray, Bartley and Logan come in with no expectations and do brilliantly.

Ayr, Man Utd, or Forrest Green - It doesn’t make a difference where they come from, it’s what they do when they’re with us.

Were 2 games into the season, let’s be patient.100% very sensible post that man

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we are hibs
16-08-2019, 07:40 AM
Yep, it's an absolute load of *****. This site has a bizarre agenda against English football, every time there is a bad game on tele there is a thread along the lines of "best league in the world, give me a break". Constantly talking down and comparing. It's sad really and no different to English fans putting our league down. I guess that's why the new lads are being dismissed so quickly. I've been on here a while now and never seen new signings ripped apart like this. I remember the ***** calderwood signed, Thornhill, Palsson, Agogo, Scott, O'Hanlon etc getting far more time to show what they had.

The last 2 guys to lift trophy's for Hibs both dross from English lower leagues.



Really? I seem to remember Killie thumping us 4-1 in August under Calderwood and most of his signings were called out as being *****. People were hardly wrong about forming their opinions that early in that season

madhatter
16-08-2019, 07:45 AM
Oap defence?

McGregor, gray and whittaker are over 30. One is third choice left/right back and one is likely 3rd or 4th choice centre back.

Hanlon, Porteous, stevenson, James, mackieand Jackson aren't.

Stevenson is over 30, no?

Until I see otherwise, our best defence is Gray, McGregor, Hanlon and Stevenson. If you do not think that is an old backline then our opinions on the matter will never meet. I'd like to add that Gray, McGregor and Whittaker are constant injury scares also.

Porteous has a lot of potential but is far too rash. Mackie should really be out on loan.

Jury is out on James and Jackson.

Hanlon is back to playing really poor. Seems to go through some bad patches where he looks hopeless. 1 year away from being 30 also.

Our defence, when you weigh all of it up, isn't great and isn't well covered. Whittaker being the backup for injured players is a funny notion.

Since452
16-08-2019, 07:51 AM
Stevenson is over 30, no?

Until I see otherwise, our best defence is Gray, McGregor, Hanlon and Stevenson. If you do not think that is an old backline then our opinions on the matter will never meet. I'd like to add that Gray, McGregor and Whittaker are constant injury scares also.

Porteous has a lot of potential but is far too rash. Mackie should really be out on loan.

Jury is out on James and Jackson.

Hanlon is back to playing really poor. Seems to go through some bad patches where he looks hopeless. 1 year away from being 30 also.

Our defence, when you weigh all of it up, isn't great and isn't well covered. Whittaker being the backup for injured players is a funny notion.

I don't think it'll be long before our firsr choice central defenders are Jackson and Porteous. Really like Jackson and Ryan is going to be a star.

brog
16-08-2019, 07:54 AM
Stevenson is over 30, no?

Until I see otherwise, our best defence is Gray, McGregor, Hanlon and Stevenson. If you do not think that is an old backline then our opinions on the matter will never meet. I'd like to add that Gray, McGregor and Whittaker are constant injury scares also.

Porteous has a lot of potential but is far too rash. Mackie should really be out on loan.

Jury is out on James and Jackson.

Hanlon is back to playing really poor. Seems to go through some bad patches where he looks hopeless. 1 year away from being 30 also.

Our defence, when you weigh all of it up, isn't great and isn't well covered. Whittaker being the backup for injured players is a funny notion.

Hanlon back to being really poor? One week after he made a goal saving block, had an assist for our winning goal & was competing with the much maligned Whittaker for MOTM. We were really poor on Sunday, Hanlon included, but don't use 1 game as an excuse to vent jaundiced views.

Captain Trips
16-08-2019, 07:56 AM
My concern is more for players whom I have seen plenty of and feel that they are struggling, SW for me is not good enough any more he has been good in a few flashes but for me I am far more concerned what he brings rather than any new players.

madhatter
16-08-2019, 07:58 AM
I don't think it'll be long before our firsr choice central defenders are Jackson and Porteous. Really like Jackson and Ryan is going to be a star.

Hopefully but they are both right footed and Ryan still has a long way to go. He is the best youngster we've had for a long time and he stands out when compared to Mackie, Murray and Shaw. I want to be wrong but I cant see Shaw making it with us. Think Mackie and Murray will struggle as well. We've let better youngsters go in the recent past.

Smartie
16-08-2019, 07:59 AM
Stevenson is over 30, no?

Until I see otherwise, our best defence is Gray, McGregor, Hanlon and Stevenson. If you do not think that is an old backline then our opinions on the matter will never meet. I'd like to add that Gray, McGregor and Whittaker are constant injury scares also.

Porteous has a lot of potential but is far too rash. Mackie should really be out on loan.

Jury is out on James and Jackson.

Hanlon is back to playing really poor. Seems to go through some bad patches where he looks hopeless. 1 year away from being 30 also.

Our defence, when you weigh all of it up, isn't great and isn't well covered. Whittaker being the backup for injured players is a funny notion.

I honestly don't think the defence or the cover for it are a problem.

The biggest problem regarding the defence is the abnormal amount of pressure they'll face if we don't add to the midfield.

SMAXXA
16-08-2019, 08:02 AM
Hopefully but they are both right footed and Ryan still has a long way to go. He is the best youngster we've had for a long time and he stands out when compared to Mackie, Murray and Shaw. I want to be wrong but I cant see Shaw making it with us. Think Mackie and Murray will struggle as well. We've let better youngsters go in the recent past.

Like who that we have let go?

Dmas
16-08-2019, 08:04 AM
Yep, it's an absolute load of *****. This site has a bizarre agenda against English football, every time there is a bad game on tele there is a thread along the lines of "best league in the world, give me a break". Constantly talking down and comparing. It's sad really and no different to English fans putting our league down. I guess that's why the new lads are being dismissed so quickly. I've been on here a while now and never seen new signings ripped apart like this. I remember the ***** calderwood signed, Thornhill, Palsson, Agogo, Scott, O'Hanlon etc getting far more time to show what they had.

The last 2 guys to lift trophy's for Hibs both dross from English lower leagues.

The clamour for Mark Mcnulty over the summer proves your point also his best goal scoring has come in the leagues that are being slated because the new guys haven’t quite hit the ground running.

It’s new surroundings for most new team mates, uprooting or without families new manager to get used too all takes time a little more patience from us lot will help that arrive sooner

madhatter
16-08-2019, 08:04 AM
Hanlon back to being really poor? One week after he made a goal saving block, had an assist for our winning goal & was competing with the much maligned Whittaker for MOTM. We were really poor on Sunday, Hanlon included, but don't use 1 game as an excuse to vent jaundiced views.

This is what I always find ironic, people on here tell people to man up and not be bedwetters after a 6-1 thumping and in the same week people get their knickers in a twist over someone critiquing the players. Hanlon your son or something? I've got nothing against Hanlon and if you follow Hibs you will know what I mean about Hanlon going through periods of poor form. He was absolutely outstanding and got a call up. Got injured and came back in an absolute state, he was a bomb scare. I feel for him actually as he came through the youth playing with some rubbish CB partners at times.

madhatter
16-08-2019, 08:06 AM
Like who that we have let go?

I rated Wotherspoon and Booth. Booth couldn't defend but when he first broke through he looked outstanding. I'd also say Stanton could've had a future. Stanton is the one that bothers me the most.

madhatter
16-08-2019, 08:08 AM
I honestly don't think the defence or the cover for it are a problem.

The biggest problem regarding the defence is the abnormal amount of pressure they'll face if we don't add to the midfield.

I agree with that. Defence was the example I used for recruitment. Midfield and upfront could easily have been used as well. That sort of highlights the problem. We are short everywhere pretty much, either in numbers or in quality.

J-C
16-08-2019, 08:11 AM
Defence starts from the front, we need high pressure quick football, non of which I have seen yet. We are slow and ponderous in the ball with the midfield giving little or no help to the back 4.

blackpoolhibs
16-08-2019, 08:20 AM
Defence starts from the front, we need high pressure quick football, non of which I have seen yet. We are slow and ponderous in the ball with the midfield giving little or no help to the back 4.

Absolutely spot on, from the front which players in this lot can you honestly say get close enough to their opponents to quickly shut down their nearest man?

I can name about 3 Kamberi up front and Horgan and Vela to a lesser extent, the rest meh.

Its no wonder our defenders get over run at times.

Leitherhibs
16-08-2019, 08:27 AM
I rated Wotherspoon and Booth. Booth couldn't defend but when he first broke through he looked outstanding. I'd also say Stanton could've had a future. Stanton is the one that bothers me the most.

Interesting, always fascinated by the perspective of other fans when it comes to academy products. To me Stanton's performances were the poorest of those 3 when he got the chance and hasn't exactly pulled up trees since leaving us, struggles to get in a poor Dun Utd side.

Booth's energy and ability to get into the final third made him a stand out for us, in a different era he would have made it at this club, Calderwood and then Fenlon both ruined him IMO. I know he's not gone onto great things either but every time I've watched him since he left I can't help but feel better coaching would've fixed his defensive frailties.

Wotherspoon had plenty chances and I think at ST J he's found his level, ultimately that's the level I think Shaw will find himself at, good pro's but the pressure of playing in front of 15k impatient hibs fans is too much for these guys.

Hermit Crab
16-08-2019, 08:35 AM
Defence starts from the front, we need high pressure quick football, non of which I have seen yet. We are slow and ponderous in the ball with the midfield giving little or no help to the back 4.

Correct. Newell is a lazy fuvk and to an extent so is Horgan, they both don't track back leaving our fullbacks exposed. Thats what happened last Sunday and we got slaughtered down the wings. Vela was getting dragged allover the place trying to cover.

Gypsy King
16-08-2019, 08:37 AM
[QUOTE=madhatter;5889759]" I've got nothing against Hanlon and if you follow Hibs you will know what I mean about Hanlon going through periods of poor form. He was absolutely outstanding and got a call up. Got injured and came back in an absolute state, he was a bomb scare."

I like him a lot and want him to do well but he was very poor a lot of last season. Culminating in a very poor performance against a terrible hearts side.

GibbytheHibby2
16-08-2019, 08:52 AM
Defence starts from the front, we need high pressure quick football, non of which I have seen yet. We are slow and ponderous in the ball with the midfield giving little or no help to the back 4.

We need different options - sometimes counterattacking is best. Remember Ivan’s hat-trick? I also recall Mowbray’s toungsters frustrating Celtc’s superstars by sitting in our own half - they didn’t know what to do (albeit it finished 2-2). High pressure needs every player to press at the same time and needs superfit players.

We need a team that can change tactics during a game - otherwise we become too predictable and easy to counter. That’s my fear with Hecky. He doesn’t seem to want to tinker until half-time when he can see it’s going wrong 1st half.

badabing67
16-08-2019, 09:06 AM
He can stay away from us too, Mackie is better.

would love to see us go for Euan Henderson though once we get a defensive midfielder in....

That would be an excellent move saying we loses Middleton in the Rangers games

J-C
16-08-2019, 09:08 AM
Correct. Newell is a lazy fuvk and to an extent so is Horgan, they both don't track back leaving our fullbacks exposed. Thats what happened last Sunday and we got slaughtered down the wings. Vela was getting dragged allover the place trying to cover.

We really miss Boyle's pace and energy, he puts in s power of work. Horgan does at times but I really question his fitness and stamina levels as he's knackered by 50 mins. Newell is not a winger, he may be better at the left of a midfield 3 but is a waste out wide, Middleton might be the missing piece us.

It was noticeable last season when Milligan was getting dragged all over the place trying to cover for the players in front of him, I'd have kept Milligan and added the energy needed in front of him, he read the game very well.

vahibbie
16-08-2019, 09:11 AM
We need different options - sometimes counterattacking is best. Remember Ivan’s hat-trick? I also recall Mowbray’s toungsters frustrating Celtc’s superstars by sitting in our own half - they didn’t know what to do (albeit it finished 2-2). High pressure needs every player to press at the same time and needs superfit players.

We need a team that can change tactics during a game - otherwise we become too predictable and easy to counter. That’s my fear with Hecky. He doesn’t seem to want to tinker until half-time when he can see it’s going wrong 1st half.

But apparently the players have reached fitness levels they have never reached before.
Fitness, pressing, fast moving....all words PH has used but seldom shown by his team on the pitch.
He sounded none too confident in his last press interview. He needs to turn it around quickly or I'm afraid he's not going to make it.
He surely can't be happy if indeed there is no money left. I'd be amazed if he didn't really think the squad needs additions.

RG63
16-08-2019, 10:02 AM
It was stated a couple of weeks ago that if a position is identified as requiring a player then the recruitment team will have 15 names on the managers desk. Clearly this doesn’t apply to forwards!

brog
16-08-2019, 10:02 AM
This is what I always find ironic, people on here tell people to man up and not be bedwetters after a 6-1 thumping and in the same week people get their knickers in a twist over someone critiquing the players. Hanlon your son or something? I've got nothing against Hanlon and if you follow Hibs you will know what I mean about Hanlon going through periods of poor form. He was absolutely outstanding and got a call up. Got injured and came back in an absolute state, he was a bomb scare. I feel for him actually as he came through the youth playing with some rubbish CB partners at times.

You said he was back to being really poor. That suggests he's been poor for a number of games. The facts, 4 consecutive clean sheets, suggest otherwise. He was poor on Sunday, so were 9 or 10 others. I'm afraid your 1st sentence in bold confused me. Why would that be ironic? They're consistent perspectives surely? What I find ironic is people who "critique" our players & then get really upset & make ludicrous comments "Hanlon your son or something?" when they themselves are "critiqued".
You make reasonable comments about Hanlon's service with our club, I'm only suggesting you apply a bit balance & perspective re his current form.

easty
16-08-2019, 10:06 AM
You said he was back to being really poor. That suggests he's been poor for a number of games. The facts, 4 consecutive clean sheets, suggest otherwise. He was poor on Sunday, so were 9 or 10 others. I'm afraid your 1st sentence in bold confused me. Why would that be ironic? They're consistent perspectives surely? What I find ironic is people who "critique" our players & then get really upset & make ludicrous comments "Hanlon your son or something?" when they themselves are "critiqued".
You make reasonable comments about Hanlon's service with our club, I'm only suggesting you apply a bit balance & perspective re his current form.

Perspective apparently just means excuse now

Franck Stanton
16-08-2019, 10:37 AM
We've dodged a bullet not getting Ojo. He's worse than Newell.

Nope, not possible.

Monts
16-08-2019, 10:51 AM
Nope, not possible.

:rolleyes:

Greenworld
16-08-2019, 11:08 AM
What a complete farce. Olli can go if we can find someone better than Olli.
However he never plays anyway so if we can find someone else to warm the bench then that's fine.
Everyone thinks we need another striker on top of what we have not letting one go.
This is not playing out well if LD has decided to take a large chunk of the cash for this indoor pitch she might just be signing her own departure letter. Wee Ron better get back soon and explain what is going on because something is not right.
The be careful what you wish for seems to be unfolding before our eyes.
Bring back petrie [emoji23][emoji23]

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Centre Hawf
16-08-2019, 11:26 AM
We've dodged a bullet not getting Ojo. He's worse than Newell.

Not sure that's correct. He's had a good write up from Aberdeen fans and a few neutrals. Fwiw I'd wished we signed him and Vela to sit behind Allan

Leitherhibs
16-08-2019, 11:28 AM
Not sure that's correct. He's had a good write up from Aberdeen fans and a few neutrals. Fwiw I'd wished we signed him and Vela to sit behind Allan

He’s been one of their better players, him and Hedges being talked up by the Dons fans I know.

Gypsy King
16-08-2019, 11:30 AM
Nope, not possible.

Watched the Aberdeen game last night. He was AWFUL

The Leith Dutch
16-08-2019, 11:32 AM
I honestly don't think the defence or the cover for it are a problem.

The biggest problem regarding the defence is the abnormal amount of pressure they'll face if we don't add to the midfield.

This is 100% where I'm at right now.

I'd be confident that the defence we have can get us 3rd and 4th.
I'd have no confidence if we don't have a midfield to protect them.

We seem to have a system playing 5 attackers right now (I class Mallan as an attacker as that's why we signed him).
That's at least 1 too many. Doubly bad because, as you say, I'm not sure we have the players at the club to put in.

B.H.F.C
16-08-2019, 11:37 AM
What a complete farce. Olli can go if we can find someone better than Olli.
However he never plays anyway so if we can find someone else to warm the bench then that's fine.
Everyone thinks we need another striker on top of what we have not letting one go.
This is not playing out well if LD has decided to take a large chunk of the cash for this indoor pitch she might just be signing her own departure letter. Wee Ron better get back soon and explain what is going on because something is not right.
The be careful what you wish for seems to be unfolding before our eyes.
Bring back petrie [emoji23][emoji23]

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Whilst we have our problems, I’m not sure what is farcical in what you say here. If you can loan out someone who isn’t contributing, and get someone in who you think will, surely that makes perfect sense?

In terms of needing another striker I agree. Not because I think we need 4 of them but because what we currently have aren’t doing enough. If it’s one out and one in who contributes more then I’m happy with that.

Centre Hawf
16-08-2019, 11:42 AM
He’s been one of their better players, him and Hedges being talked up by the Dons fans I know.

The few I know like him. Not sure what they think after last night but one sending off doesn't make you a bad player.

Centre Hawf
16-08-2019, 11:44 AM
Watched the Aberdeen game last night. He was AWFUL




He played 20 minutes. Not sure you can form an opinion on that. It was poor of him to get two bookings that early but arguably another ref might have let one or both go as warnings.

Gypsy King
16-08-2019, 11:55 AM
He played 20 minutes. Not sure you can form an opinion on that. It was poor of him to get two bookings that early but arguably another ref might have let one or both go as warnings.

Looked like a fish out of water. Misplaced a simple pass and the camera cut to Mcinnes looking at his assistant with a sort of "what have we done" expression

Hibi
16-08-2019, 11:58 AM
The few I know like him. Not sure what they think after last night but one sending off doesn't make you a bad player.

Seemed to be plenty Aberdeen fans last night on twitter who have seen enough.

ahibby
16-08-2019, 11:59 AM
Seemed to be plenty Aberdeen fans last night on twitter who have seen enough.

We dodged a bullet?

The Leith Dutch
16-08-2019, 11:59 AM
He played 20 minutes. Not sure you can form an opinion on that. It was poor of him to get two bookings that early but arguably another ref might have let one or both go as warnings.

At the moment people on here are forming opinions on players based on their wikipedia profile or even just on the club they're being signed from :(
Not saying Ojo, Newell or Doidge are good or bad but it's kind of worrying how definitive and certain people are in polar extreme judgements of a player on relatively little evidence.

Centre Hawf
16-08-2019, 12:44 PM
Seemed to be plenty Aberdeen fans last night on twitter who have seen enough.

One tweet. Also passions are running high. He will be a good player and we definitely didn't dodge a bullet.

Springbank
16-08-2019, 02:32 PM
At the moment people on here are forming opinions on players based on their wikipedia profile or even just on the club they're being signed from :(
Not saying Ojo, Newell or Doidge are good or bad but it's kind of worrying how definitive and certain people are in polar extreme judgements of a player on relatively little evidence.

When your definition of "relatively little evidence" includes holding on for a 1-1 draw in the cup v Stirling Albion and a 6-1 mauling at Ibrox, then I suspect criminals all over East Central Scotland would hand pick you to be their judge at the Sheriff Court.

"You were caught on camera stealing laptops & the stolen items were in your possession, but that's relatively little evidence so I'm going to give you the rest of the season until I form any judgement here"...

Heisenberg
16-08-2019, 02:38 PM
When your definition of "relatively little evidence" includes holding on for a 1-1 draw in the cup v Stirling Albion and a 6-1 mauling at Ibrox, then I suspect criminals all over East Central Scotland would hand pick you to be their judge at the Sheriff Court.

"You were caught on camera stealing laptops & the stolen items were in your possession, but that's relatively little evidence so I'm going to give you the rest of the season until I form any judgement here"...

A 1-1 draw at Stirling was dreadful but we were hardly holding on ffs! 😂 They had one shot on target and scored a belter. We ended up topping the group as well.

Since452
16-08-2019, 02:40 PM
A 1-1 draw at Stirling was dreadful but we were hardly holding on ffs! 😂 They had one shot on target and scored a belter. We ended up topping the group as well.

Pesky facts

MWHIBBIES
16-08-2019, 03:06 PM
When your definition of "relatively little evidence" includes holding on for a 1-1 draw in the cup v Stirling Albion and a 6-1 mauling at Ibrox, then I suspect criminals all over East Central Scotland would hand pick you to be their judge at the Sheriff Court.

"You were caught on camera stealing laptops & the stolen items were in your possession, but that's relatively little evidence so I'm going to give you the rest of the season until I form any judgement here"...

Holding on :faf:

The 90+2
16-08-2019, 03:08 PM
Holding on :faf:

Yes, it was a fantastic, attacking draw with the worst team in Scotland who also got horsed in all their other group games.

Heisenberg
16-08-2019, 03:15 PM
Yes, it was a fantastic, attacking draw with the worst team in Scotland who also got horsed in all their other group games.

Absolutely no one is saying that. What people do have an issue with is trying to paint it as us “holding on” when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

The 90+2
16-08-2019, 03:18 PM
Absolutely no one is saying that. What people do have an issue with is trying to paint it as us “holding on” when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

It was an abysmal result that seems to be overlooked because we won a group of smaller part time teams. Some think it’s just the humiliation of Sunday that have people “over reacting”. That result was worse but it was “just a friendly” “only one game in to the season” etc.

Absolutely a lot of people are actually saying that by the way, and even taking the penalty shootout embarrassing win as something of an achievement.

We aren’t 2 games in won one and lost one. We are a lot of ***** performances in already.

Laughing at someone posting about “holding on” when we actually drew with the worst team in the country isn’t something to be proud of.

calumhibee1
16-08-2019, 03:21 PM
Absolutely no one is saying that. What people do have an issue with is trying to paint it as us “holding on” when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

The same has been done with the St Mirren game.

“They could have got a point” etc. All while failing to point out that yes, they could have got a point if they scored one of the two half chances they had but we also had 6 or 7 chances better than any of the chances they had. But yet there’s very little in the way of “we could have won by 3 or 4”.

Gypsy King
16-08-2019, 03:21 PM
[QUOTE=Centre Hawf;5890115]He played 20 minutes. Not sure you can form an opinion on that. It was poor of him to get two bookings that early but arguably another ref might have let one or both go as warnings.[/QUOTE

Standby what I said. Cant really get much worse than that AWFUL

The 90+2
16-08-2019, 03:29 PM
The same has been done with the St Mirren game.

“They could have got a point” etc. All while failing to point out that yes, they could have got a point if they scored one of the two half chances they had but we also had 6 or 7 chances better than any of the chances they had. But yet there’s very little in the way of “we could have won by 3 or 4”.

We didn’t win by three or four though. And like Stirling and like Alloa it was a laboured performance without the defensive blunders such as Dunfermline Arbroath and Carlisle. It also followed on from familiar performances towards the end of last season.

It’s nowhere near Sunday’s embarrassment that people are rightly worried because the majority of us could see Sunday happening based on past performances. Yet still think our defence is okay, I’ve even seen it described as “solid”. Jackson coming in and Ryan coming back hopefully will see Hanlon get an op if it’s required because he’s been struggling for ages but still seems to start. Whittaker’s finished and Mackie should be learning how to play at Raith Rovers again and not Ibrox. It’s like lessons aren’t being learned and excuses galore.

MWHIBBIES
16-08-2019, 03:38 PM
Yes, it was a fantastic, attacking draw with the worst team in Scotland who also got horsed in all their other group games.

How many of those sides won the group and got seeded?

RossScott1991
16-08-2019, 03:46 PM
Not sure if mentioned already, Probaly has. But interesting that Andy king said in his press conference today he spoke to hibs before signing for rangers.

Maybe we are still after a CM?

Hibi
16-08-2019, 03:56 PM
One tweet. Also passions are running high. He will be a good player and we definitely didn't dodge a bullet.

I haven’t seen him just merely pointing out plenty of Aberdeen fans were slating him, that was just the one I took a grab of.

Heisenberg
16-08-2019, 04:00 PM
Not sure if mentioned already, Probaly has. But interesting that Andy king said in his press conference today he spoke to hibs before signing for rangers.

Maybe we are still after a CM?

That would basically confirm we are still looking for a central midfielder. Hecky is a filthy liar.

calumhibee1
16-08-2019, 04:06 PM
We didn’t win by three or four though. And like Stirling and like Alloa it was a laboured performance without the defensive blunders such as Dunfermline Arbroath and Carlisle. It also followed on from familiar performances towards the end of last season.

It’s nowhere near Sunday’s embarrassment that people are rightly worried because the majority of us could see Sunday happening based on past performances. Yet still think our defence is okay, I’ve even seen it described as “solid”. Jackson coming in and Ryan coming back hopefully will see Hanlon get an op if it’s required because he’s been struggling for ages but still seems to start. Whittaker’s finished and Mackie should be learning how to play at Raith Rovers again and not Ibrox. It’s like lessons aren’t being learned and excuses galore.

And we didn’t draw the game either, it’s not stopped folk from having a pop about how lucky we were and how we could have drawn it though.

St Mirren wasn’t a great performance but imo it was far from laboured. We made hard work of it but hitting the post twice, missing two open goals, two one on ones and having a goal 4 yards onside ruled out yet still winning the game doesn’t really make me think of a laboured performance. Each to their own I suppose.

Speedway
16-08-2019, 04:16 PM
That would basically confirm we are still looking for a central midfielder. Hecky is a filthy liar.

Unless there’s a striker budget, a defender budget, a midfield budget etc

SouthMoroccoStu
16-08-2019, 04:19 PM
That would basically confirm we are still looking for a central midfielder. Hecky is a filthy liar.

Hope so

04Sauzee
16-08-2019, 04:20 PM
Unless there’s a striker budget, a defender budget, a midfield budget etc

Would the budget be double for a defender/midfield type player 😁

The Leith Dutch
16-08-2019, 04:32 PM
When your definition of "relatively little evidence" includes holding on for a 1-1 draw in the cup v Stirling Albion and a 6-1 mauling at Ibrox, then I suspect criminals all over East Central Scotland would hand pick you to be their judge at the Sheriff Court.

"You were caught on camera stealing laptops & the stolen items were in your possession, but that's relatively little evidence so I'm going to give you the rest of the season until I form any judgement here"...

Doesn't really work as an analogy though does it.
If you want to make the analogy correct you're saying that the person who was caught stealing should never be let out of prison because you're working to the assumption that you caught them stealing and that they'll always be a thief.

Nobody is saying these players have played brilliantly in the six games we've seen so far.
They're saying that there's at least 38 more games (36 league and a minimum of one in each cup) to come this reason and that maybe some of those players will improve.

The Leith Dutch
16-08-2019, 04:34 PM
[QUOTE=Centre Hawf;5890115]He played 20 minutes. Not sure you can form an opinion on that. It was poor of him to get two bookings that early but arguably another ref might have let one or both go as warnings.[/QUOTE

Standby what I said. Cant really get much worse than that AWFUL

Can't get much worse than picking up two daft bookings early on?
Really?
Did you see some of our performances under Calderwood and Butcher?

The 90+2
16-08-2019, 04:45 PM
How many of those sides won the group and got seeded?

Did we get a shiny trophy too?

Fife-Hibee
16-08-2019, 04:53 PM
That would basically confirm we are still looking for a central midfielder. Hecky is a filthy liar.

Burn the witch !!

MWHIBBIES
16-08-2019, 04:53 PM
Did we get a shiny trophy too?

No, we will when we win the next 4 league cup ties, on penalties, after holding on for 1-1 draws.

K-Zazu
16-08-2019, 04:54 PM
Yams signing another player. Player from Man City

Ringothedog
16-08-2019, 04:54 PM
Did we get a shiny trophy too?

No but we still have a chance of winning a “shiny trophy “

Real Emerald
16-08-2019, 05:14 PM
Yams signing another player. Player from Man City

How many players have they signed in the past year, it must be well over 30? There’s no other club in Scotland close to these numbers I would think!

Billy Whizz
16-08-2019, 05:15 PM
How many players have they signed in the past year, it must be well over 30? There’s no other club in Scotland close to these numbers I would think!

They’ve just loaned out 2 young lads to Cowdenbeath

vahibbie
16-08-2019, 05:26 PM
Apparently done deal according to STV. Japanese midfielder and looks very good.
They may sign some duds (who doesn't) but I think they have strengthened recently and we may well struggle against them.
Wish we could sign players as quickly.

Danderhall Hibs
16-08-2019, 05:29 PM
We signed players before pre season started - that’s fairly quickly?

Or do you mean when sign them quickly when on a panic buy spree?

1van Sprou7e
16-08-2019, 05:29 PM
I just can't understand why Man City would send a technically talented youngster to go and develop with that dinosaur :confused:

erin go bragh
16-08-2019, 05:29 PM
Yams signing another player. Player from Man City

If it’s the boy that needs a work permit. His best bits on YouTube are pretty meh .
Potter is fairly spending the cash but it reeks of desperation. Hearts biggest problem is him . God I hope they keep him for as long as possible.

hibbyfraelibby
16-08-2019, 05:32 PM
Apparently done deal according to STV. Japanese midfielder and looks very good.
They may sign some duds (who doesn't) but I think they have strengthened recently and we may well struggle against them.
Wish we could sign players as quickly.

We did buy quickly...they are panic buying on HP during sales week to stock up ahead of Brexit😋

JimBHibees
16-08-2019, 05:34 PM
Wonder what Pep would make of their style of play.

Billy Whizz
16-08-2019, 05:36 PM
Wonder what Pep would make of their style of play.

He’s probably never heard of the player

vahibbie
16-08-2019, 05:39 PM
We signed players before pre season started - that’s fairly quickly?

Or do you mean when sign them quickly when on a panic buy spree?

Is it panic tho. They have identified areas needing strengthen and sourced players to try and improve. We are glaringly short in several positions and either can't or won't react.

Hermit Crab
16-08-2019, 05:39 PM
Do we need a thread about this? :confused:

Rumble de Thump
16-08-2019, 05:41 PM
Is it panic tho. They have identified areas needing strengthen and sourced players to try and improve. We are glaringly short in several positions and either can't or won't react.

They very much have a hit and miss approach. Quantity over quality.

The 90+2
16-08-2019, 05:42 PM
We signed players before pre season started - that’s fairly quickly?

Or do you mean when sign them quickly when on a panic buy spree?

Is that recognising positions they are struggling in and try rectify that before the window closes? That kind of planning will never catch I suppose.

Boy is signing for them because their assistant speaks Japanese. Little cost little danger and a player Man City just signed for a year for zip.

04Sauzee
16-08-2019, 05:42 PM
Do we need a thread about this? :confused:

That's my thoughts we have a transfer Thread

The 90+2
16-08-2019, 05:42 PM
They very much have a hit and miss approach. Quantity over quality.

Who has signed quality over quantity though?

matty_f
16-08-2019, 05:42 PM
Do we need a thread about this? :confused:

Do we need a thread about anything?


All the philosophical questions can be found on .net.

JimBHibees
16-08-2019, 05:43 PM
He’s probably never heard of the player

Yep he will be one of the 304 City players out on loan.

Rumble de Thump
16-08-2019, 05:45 PM
He's played a few games for Gamba Osaka. He's superb.

Victor
16-08-2019, 05:48 PM
Apparently done deal according to STV. Japanese midfielder and looks very good.
They may sign some duds (who doesn't) but I think they have strengthened recently and we may well struggle against them.
Wish we could sign players as quickly.

Wow! Think this should have NHC and WTFC in the title


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Rumble de Thump
16-08-2019, 05:51 PM
For what it's worth, I doubt any teams will really struggle against Hearts this season. I think it will be another underwhelming season for them and a change of manager is on the horizon.

hibbyfraelibby
16-08-2019, 05:51 PM
He's played a few games for Gamba Osaka. He's superb.

So is the cheese...

The 90+2
16-08-2019, 05:54 PM
He's played a few games for Gamba Osaka. He's superb.

Gamba Osaka season ticket holder are we?

I’m gathering you posted this in the transfer thread too when City pulled off this coup? Boy will probably be decent but chill the beans.

Sammy7nil
16-08-2019, 05:55 PM
[QUOTE=vahibbie;5890717]Is it panic tho. They have identified areas needing strengthen and sourced players to try and improve. We are glaringly short in several positions and either can't or won't react.[/stsrtimg

Hearts have started poorly however in the last 3 days they have brought in what looks like 3 players that will improve the squad and probably go right in to the starting 11. Our business appears to be done I know would like three more signings.

Sammy7nil
16-08-2019, 05:56 PM
Who has signed quality over quantity though?

Bayern Munich :confused::greengrin

Since452
16-08-2019, 06:03 PM
Remember we signed a Man City player on loan last season? He was good

Wheat Hound
16-08-2019, 06:06 PM
We also signed a Man City youngster on loan last season, as well as a Dutch International from Feyenoord, Greek International and a USA International from the English Premier League. Where a player comes from is no guarantee of success in Scotland.

Jones28
16-08-2019, 06:09 PM
We also signed a Man City youngster on loan last season, as well as a Dutch International from Feyenoord, Greek International and a USA International from the English Premier League. Where a player comes from is no guarantee of success in Scotland.

Pedigree doesn’t always mean success.

I had pedigree chum for tea last night and it was ****ing awful.

Real Emerald
16-08-2019, 06:10 PM
Pedigree doesn’t always mean success.

I had pedigree chum for tea last night and it was ****ing awful.

It’s went downhill lately 😂

Eyrie
16-08-2019, 06:58 PM
Pedigree doesn’t always mean success.

I had pedigree chum for tea last night and it was ****ing awful.

Sometimes you winalot, sometimes you lose a lot.

ahibby
16-08-2019, 07:33 PM
Sometimes you winalot, sometimes you lose a lot.

If tomorrows game turns out to be a dogs breakfast u lot will have some amswering to do.

04Sauzee
16-08-2019, 07:34 PM
Sometimes you winalot, sometimes you lose a lot.

OK Pal

ancient hibee
16-08-2019, 07:38 PM
Pedigree doesn’t always mean success.

I had pedigree chum for tea last night and it was ****ing awful.


Sometimes you winalot, sometimes you lose a lot.


If tomorrows game turns out to be a dogs breakfast u lot will have some amswering to do.


OK Pal

You guys are barking.

SHODAN
16-08-2019, 07:53 PM
You guys are barking.

Normally I'd be incandescent with rage at the puns but Hibs are making a dog's dinner of this transfer window and won't sign anyone else anyway so go right ahead.

ahibby
16-08-2019, 08:14 PM
Normally I'd be incandescent with rage at the puns but Hibs are making a dog's dinner of this transfer window and won't sign anyone else anyway so go right ahead.

Muzzle it mongrel. Sorry.

Joe6-2
16-08-2019, 08:22 PM
Get cumDOG IN!

The_Horde
16-08-2019, 08:44 PM
Get cumDOG IN!

Get heckingbottom OUT.

CmoantheHibs
16-08-2019, 09:12 PM
Not sure that's correct. He's had a good write up from Aberdeen fans and a few neutrals. Fwiw I'd wished we signed him and Vela to sit behind Allan

This is how I thought we'd line up this season. 2 high energy midfielders with a bit of everything with Allan. Hope it still happens

Crazyhorse
16-08-2019, 10:31 PM
If tomorrows game turns out to be a dogs breakfast u lot will have some amswering to do.

If that happens we will all be feeling ruff but time to think pawsitive.
We will win tomorrow!

we are hibs
16-08-2019, 11:33 PM
Basel eyeing up a 2 million move for Kamberi... according to the daily record.

SHODAN
16-08-2019, 11:34 PM
Basel eyeing up a 2 million move for Kamberi... according to the daily record.

Not necessarily a bad thing IF we get all the money and IF all of it is invested in players.

1875Sean
16-08-2019, 11:34 PM
Take it in a heartbeat

we are hibs
16-08-2019, 11:36 PM
Not necessarily a bad thing IF we get all the money and IF all of it is invested in players.

Absolutely no chance in hell that it would all be reinvested in the playing squad. The club have made it clear where they see any investements going.

SHODAN
16-08-2019, 11:38 PM
Absolutely no chance in hell that it would all be reinvested in the playing squad. The club have made it clear where they see any investements going.

If the club sell Kamberi and replace him with Oli Shaw or an English Championship 18 year old with no senior appearances then they can kiss goodbye to STs next season.

Real Emerald
16-08-2019, 11:56 PM
If the club sell Kamberi and replace him with Oli Shaw or an English Championship 18 year old with no senior appearances then they can kiss goodbye to STs next season.

Or we’ll open kennels for homeless cats and dugs with the money 😂. I really am joking 👍

DavidDavidGray
17-08-2019, 12:23 AM
Don’t take the Kamberi offer. No chance should we sell him, by far and away our best striker. Not trusting heckingbottom to sign better than him right now either, we should be trying to add quality up front not lose what little of it we have

FilipinoHibs
17-08-2019, 02:12 AM
Absolutely no chance in hell that it would all be reinvested in the playing squad. The club have made it clear where they see any investements going.

Absolutely crazy to sell him now, we have only two other strikers who both firing blanks

Hermit Crab
17-08-2019, 02:22 AM
Basel eyeing up a 2 million move for Kamberi... according to the daily record.


Heckingbottom says ways we have no funds to bring anyone else in. Next thing the papers are saying Basel want to pay us £2m for Kamberi? Bit their hand off please.

MagicSwirlingShip
17-08-2019, 04:15 AM
big fan of an on form Kamberi but its been a long time since he's been at his best.

£2m for an out of sorts Flo is a great bit of business, regardless of the timing.

neil7908
17-08-2019, 04:25 AM
big fan of an on form Kamberi but its been a long time since he's been at his best.

£2m for an out of sorts Flo is a great bit of business, regardless of the timing.

But does it improve the squad? There's a lot of anger right now at poor recruitment and perceived lack of investment. This won't help imo.

I'm not digging at the club here but it's not like we'll go out and buy a £2m striker with this. We'd be adding to the bank balance right now and maybe help pay for this indoor training pitch or whatever but I'm not confident we'd get in a player as good as Flo can be. It's effectively a huge gamble and I'm not convinced it's the time for us to do that.

If someone comes along and offers us silly money or the player is desperate to go that's one thing but our history shows very rarely do we sell one of our top players and replace them with someone better.

Out financial position is better than ever (debt free etc) so we should only sell for a price that we can't refuse. And £2m isn't that.

MagicSwirlingShip
17-08-2019, 04:30 AM
But does it improve the squad? There's a lot of anger right now at poor recruitment and perceived lack of investment. This won't help imo.

I'm not digging at the club here but it's not like we'll go out and buy a £2m striker with this. We'd be adding to the bank balance right now and maybe help pay for this indoor training pitch or whatever but I'm not confident we'd get in a player as good as Flo can be. It's effectively a huge gamble and I'm not convinced it's the time for us to do that.

If someone comes along and offers us silly money or the player is desperate to go that's one thing but our history shows very rarely do we sell one of our top players and replace them with someone better.

Out financial position is better than ever (debt free etc) so we should only sell for a price that we can't refuse. And £2m isn't that.

£2m strikers demand £2m striker wages. Of course we wouldn't buy a player with that value as we couldn't afford their wages.

Doesn't mean to say we wouldn't be able to buy a striker at £500k or so (which im sure is roughly what we paid for Flo only a season ago)

The day Hibs can turn down £2m for a striker who is inconsistent at best is one I long to see. If this offer comes in Hibs will take it.

neil7908
17-08-2019, 04:41 AM
£2m strikers demand £2m striker wages. Of course we wouldn't buy a player with that value as we couldn't afford their wages.

Doesn't mean to say we wouldn't be able to buy a striker at £500k or so (which im sure is roughly what we paid for Flo only a season ago)

The day Hibs can turn down £2m for a striker who is inconsistent as best is one I long to see. If this offer comes in Hibs will take it.

Hibs may well take it but its not the right call. I'd be very surprised to see us spend £500k on a striker the same summer we've brought in Doidge for £350k. When did we last spend close to £1m in fees in one summer?

Our history, recent and years gone by, does not show a high success rate in selling our best players and reinventing the cash.

What's the point of being a financially stable and debt free if we just keep selling our best players to the first half decent bid that comes in?

MagicSwirlingShip
17-08-2019, 05:06 AM
Hibs may well take it but its not the right call. I'd be very surprised to see us spend £500k on a striker the same summer we've brought in Doidge for £350k. When did we last spend close to £1m in fees in one summer?

Our history, recent and years gone by, does not show a high success rate in selling our best players and reinventing the cash.

What's the point of being a financially stable and debt free if we just keep selling our best players to the first half decent bid that comes in?

I’d be with you if he was showing any sort of form.

He’s been mostly humpty since he signed with us permanently.

ozhibs
17-08-2019, 05:14 AM
I Like Kamberi and think he is a good player, but I don't think he is a 2 million player so I would take it, there must be someone we can buy or loan for a better deal.

CloudSquall
17-08-2019, 05:30 AM
Selling Kamberi to bring in a Doige esque player has me on the receiving end of Lee Power and Paul Tosh flashbacks.

BILLYHIBS
17-08-2019, 05:37 AM
Basel eyeing up a 2 million move for Kamberi... according to the daily record.

Done!

Heisenberg
17-08-2019, 05:39 AM
I would absolutely take £2m for Flo if a lot of it was to be reinvested in the squad as we are still lacking in a few positions. Flo hasn’t been anywhere near the form we saw when he first arrived.

MrSmith
17-08-2019, 06:13 AM
Done!

deal done?
you’re done?
done for you?

Since452
17-08-2019, 06:20 AM
Basel eyeing up a 2 million move for Kamberi... according to the daily record.

Where's that Daffy gif?

theonlywayisup
17-08-2019, 06:35 AM
Selling Kamberi to bring in a Doige esque player has me on the receiving end of Lee Power and Paul Tosh flashbacks.

I still have nightmares about that time supporting Hibs.

Now you mention it, Hibs had just one a cup, had become a really entertaining team to watch with some great players, only for us to change manager, who proceeded to buy a collection of poor quality footballers. Sounding familiar!

BT58
17-08-2019, 06:36 AM
Do the club that we got Kamberi from not get a share of any transfer, or is that Rocky ??. If its £2 million, then let him go and bring in 3 players, but i doubt the manager would get all the fee to bring in players.
B

MagicSwirlingShip
17-08-2019, 06:41 AM
I still have nightmares about that time supporting Hibs.

Now you mention it, Hibs had just one a cup, had become a really entertaining team to watch with some great players, only for us to change manager, who proceeded to buy a collection of poor quality footballers. Sounding familiar!

We won the Skol Cup 91/92. we signed Power & Tosh 97/98

SMAXXA
17-08-2019, 06:41 AM
If we got a few mill for him id test Kilmarnocks resolve for brophy, throw In a loan for shaw to them and go bring in another striker job done

Fuzzywuzzy
17-08-2019, 06:53 AM
We won't get the full £2m though. Was part of his deal not a hefty sell on to his old club. Still, £1m not to be sniffed at.

The Captain....
17-08-2019, 06:53 AM
I cant believe any club is willing to pay anywhere near £2m for Kamberi. On his day he is decent but his obvious attitude issues mean it's easy to put him off his game.

Even if we were to get that I wouldn't trust the current football dept to find a replacement equal or better than him on the fraction of the £2m they'd get.

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Since452
17-08-2019, 06:56 AM
We won the Skol Cup 91/92. we signed Power & Tosh 97/98

Paul Tosh now a site manager at Campion. Decent guy

B.H.F.C
17-08-2019, 06:58 AM
If we got offered £2m for Kamberi back in June I’d have taken it.

With little time to replace him now I wouldn’t. And I’m not sure I’d trust Heckingbottom to reinvest it anyway.

Unseen work
17-08-2019, 07:00 AM
As crazy as it sounds 2 million isn’t even a lot of money now a days, I don’t think it would go that far in bringing more players in.

With Kamberi we at least know what we have and he’s started the season well. We would be in a rush trying to bring a quality striker in with 2 weeks to go.

That being said if 2 million is to “test out resolve” I’d imagine we would get more than that for him, I’m not sure Heckingbottom is his biggest fan either.

2.5+ offer and as long as we replace him players like or of similar ilk to

Cummings
Mulumbu
Another defensive minded centre mid

And id do it

Since452
17-08-2019, 07:10 AM
It would be difficult for Heckingbottom. Having a player here who's head had been turned and lost interest would be the same as not having him at all. If we were offered £2m I'd take it. The manager said there are replacements lined up incase someone comes in for any of our players so i think we'd move fast.

J-C
17-08-2019, 07:10 AM
No sell on fee for Flo, we had a purchase fee agreed when he was on loan and that's it, Rocky has a big sell on fee, 33% I think.

Take the £2m, we wont see all of it but even if we get half it'll go towards 3 players at least.

calumhibee1
17-08-2019, 07:13 AM
I like Flo but we’d have to take the money. Go out and try and get someone like Hornby, Mulumbu and another CM and a winger off the money.

mcfly
17-08-2019, 07:14 AM
You can’t sell flo with no back up and shaw wanting away on loan.

Leaves us Doidge on his own. Crazy

CapitalGreen
17-08-2019, 07:18 AM
No sell on fee for Flo, we had a purchase fee agreed when he was on loan and that's it, Rocky has a big sell on fee, 33% I think.

Take the £2m, we wont see all of it but even if we get half it'll go towards 3 players at least.

You have no idea whether there is a sell-on fee for Kamberi or not. Having a purchase fee agreed for the end of the loan does not indicate the prescribed of one either way. You also have no idea what % the sell on fee is for Marciano.

Marvellous
17-08-2019, 07:19 AM
No sell on fee for Flo, we had a purchase fee agreed when he was on loan and that's it, Rocky has a big sell on fee, 33% I think.

Take the £2m, we wont see all of it but even if we get half it'll go towards 3 players at least.

Is this certain?

TheReg!
17-08-2019, 07:19 AM
Can’t sell Flo this late on in the Transfer window, be absolute madness.

CapitalGreen
17-08-2019, 07:22 AM
I like Flo but we’d have to take the money. Go out and try and get someone like Hornby, Mulumbu and another CM and a winger off the money.

Last season you were very very vocal in your opposition to us doing business late towards the end of the transfer window, fast forward a year to this season and you are advocating selling our best striker 2 weeks before the window closes and replacing him with someone who has never scored a senior professional goal.