Summer 2019 transfer thread

[SHODAN]

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2019/05/17/hibs-boss-reveals-he-will-not-be-extending-sporting-lisbon-midfielders-loan/

Gauld isn't coming back.

[JimBHibees]

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2019/05/17/hibs-boss-reveals-he-will-not-be-extending-sporting-lisbon-midfielders-loan/

Gauld isn't coming back.

Heckys quotes don't actually say what the headline does but reading between the lines that is a fair assumption. Pretty disappointing return from Ryan most due to injury however Paul is spot on with his comments

[J-C]

I think fatty Boyd's comment about him looking like a wee laddie is pretty spot on, he doesn't look to have developed since going to Portugal.

[Michael]

I think fatty Boyd's comment about him looking like a wee laddie is pretty spot on, he doesn't look to have developed since going to Portugal.

Regressed if anything.

[calumhibee1]

Regressed if anything.

Definitely regressed. He doesn’t look anything like the player that broke through at DU.

[Speedway]

I bet if you asked Craig Levein what style his Hearts team play he wouldn't describe it as direct football either.

And the quote about keeping possession and controlling the play, that’s achieved by hoofball also?

You read the article, yes?

[SMAXXA]

Gauld will likely end up at Aberdeen or back at UTD

[The_Horde]

And the quote about keeping possession and controlling the play, that’s achieved by hoofball also?

You read the article, yes?

I did indeed. He doesn't mention a thing about possession.

Maybe worth a wee re-read yourself?

[Smartie]

Gauld will likely end up at Aberdeen or back at UTD

He has no chance of getting a move to Aberdeen.

Gauld really hasn't done himself any favours at Hibs. He looked good against Elgin and since then he's been either poor or injured.

I think United would probably take a punt on him based on past achievements but he needs to show much more for somebody soon if he's going to have any sort of career in football whatsoever.

Heckingbotton's comments suggest that he's another of those players who looks neat and tidy in training but struggles to make an impact in games.

[The_Horde]

Gould's had the rawness and flair coached out of him in Portugal and he's lost his pace.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

You would wonder if he was a fringe player at any of the SPL teams at the moment, whether he would be getting the talk at the end of the season. Looks like a candidate for a season loan to the second or third division to toughen up against some hardnuts.

[007]

Scotsman today quoting Hecky that we are definitely trying to secure McNulty and Omeonga for next season.

Getting definitive on these two before the end of this month would be hugely beneficial in planning for next season.

It'll be from the pre-match press conference.

https://youtu.be/wIv_zYEKGCc

[Just Alf]

I did indeed. He doesn't mention a thing about possession.

Maybe worth a wee re-read yourself?When answering Radge's question last night about playing a pressing game and bypassing midfield etc Hecky was really quite clear the whole point of it was to get/retain possession.

(not read the article so can't comment on what slant the journalist has put on it)

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[GibbytheHibby2]

Definitely regressed. He doesn’t look anything like the player that broke through at DU.

I thought he was the best player on the pitch at St Mirren. Despite home not wanting to race into 50/50 bruising tackles, he actually has the intelligence to get his body between man and ball which is effective enough. I just hope he doesn't end up at another SPL team and do damage against us.

[SHODAN]

That's Milligan away too.

[calumhibee1]

That's Milligan away too.

Any idea where?

[Ronniekirk]

That's Milligan away too.

He had option of another year so both parties presumably happy for that not to be taken up Wonder if we have had to make a payment for that to happen
But need Fresher Legs in that Debarment and with Gray and McGregor already signed up maybe Heck felt we needed to have someone younger with more mobility
Will see what’s Reported but he did his bit and wouldn’t be too unhappy if he is being moved on


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[mjhibby]

Looks like a handful of players coming in. Hecky shaping the squad the way he wants it. Looks so comfortable in the press conferences and knows what he wants. Can't wait to see who we get. I suspect there will be a few he has seen at close quarters while at Barnsley and Leeds. From his interviews it looks like a mixture of permanent signings and two or three quality loan signings. Exciting times indeed.

[coco mc]

Mark definitely wanted to stay I think Hibs would have came to a settlement.
or he has another Scottish club lined up not far from edinburgh !



He had option of another year so both parties presumably happy for that not to be taken up Wonder if we have had to make a payment for that to happen
But need Fresher Legs in that Debarment and with Gray and McGregor already signed up maybe Heck felt we needed to have someone younger with more mobility
Will see what’s Reported but he did his bit and wouldn’t be too unhappy if he is being moved on


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[Borderhibbie76]

Mark definitely wanted to stay I think Hibs would have came to a settlement.
or he has another Scottish club lined up not far from edinburgh !Hibs decision to not take up the second year according to Kenny Millar on Twitter

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[weecounty hibby]

Kompany leaves Man City, cover for Daz? 🤔🤔🤔

[coco mc]

Not sure if KM is 100% correct on that situation

Hibs decision to not take up the second year according to Kenny Millar on Twitter

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[3pm]

Kompany leaves Man City, cover for Daz? 🤔🤔🤔

New Anderlecht manager.

[The Spaceman]

Kompany leaves Man City, cover for Daz? 🤔🤔🤔

Just been announced as a Player-Manager for Anderlecht. Great move for him tbh :aok:

[weecounty hibby]

Just been announced as a Player-Manager for Anderlecht. Great move for him tbh :aok:

Penny pinching again by Petrie🙄 Great move for him and Anderlecht

[BoomtownHibees]

Not sure if KM is 100% correct on that situation

I would have thought a club employee would know more that anybody on here tbf

[Hibbyradge]

Logged on to check transfer news on this thread....found a coversation about herbalife????....hibs.net ehh 😕

Gerbalife :wink:

[Hibbyradge]

I did indeed. He doesn't mention a thing about possession.

Maybe worth a wee re-read yourself?

From the "Evening with ... " thread on the main board;

He doesn't say the word "possession", but that's what he's talking about.

"As to how his refashioned Hibs team will play, Paul noted that “high pressing” doesn’t mean bypassing the midfield or playing the long ball.

Citing Manchester City and Barcelona as examples, he pointed out that the high press allows you to win the ball back as quickly as possible.

And you can only play the football you want to play when you have the ball."

[coco mc]

I wasn’t aware that he is employed by hibs in that case I would agree ..just wasn’t the way it was relayed to me GGTH


I would have thought a club employee would know more that anybody on here tbf

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

Just been announced as a Player-Manager for Anderlecht. Great move for him tbh :aok:

Looks that way, though not all God-like players make successful player-managers - good luck to him though

[The_Horde]

From the "Evening with ... " thread on the main board;

He doesn't say the word "possession", but that's what he's talking about.

"As to how his refashioned Hibs team will play, Paul noted that “high pressing” doesn’t mean bypassing the midfield or playing the long ball.

Citing Manchester City and Barcelona as examples, he pointed out that the high press allows you to win the ball back as quickly as possible.

And you can only play the football you want to play when you have the ball."

Nope. He's talking about having more control over the game which is entirely different to having possession of the ball.

[Hibbyradge]

Nope. He's talking about having more control over the game which is entirely different to having possession of the ball.

The penultimate sentence talks about winning the ball back.

The last sentence talks about "having the ball".

That is precisely what possession means.

He doesn't refer to controlling the game at all.

[The_Horde]

The penultimate sentence talks about winning the ball back.

The last sentence talks about "having the ball".

That is precisely what possession means.

He doesn't refer to controlling the game at all.

Aye. So his philosophy is winning the ball back as quickly as you can with a high press so that you can then get on the front foot as quickly as possible. Retaining possession to get it forward asap essentially.

Go ask Levein what his philosophy is. It won't be far off.

[Hibbyradge]

Aye. So his philosophy is winning the ball back as quickly as you can with a high press so that you can then get on the front foot as quickly as possible. Retaining possession to get it forward asap essentially.

Go ask Levein what his philosophy is. It won't be far off.

I had the same worries because I'm sure Butcher's idea was to get the ball into the channels behind the opposition's defence and play from there.

That's why I asked the question about the long ball and by-passing the midfield.

His answer satisfies my concerns. He hasn't said anything about getting it forward as quickly as possible. I prefer to be optimistic about the coming seasons rather than write Heckingbottom's style of play off before his own team has even started.

[CapitalGreen]

A winning team is the priority for me, then I’ll start concerning myself with the style in which we do it.

[Heisenberg]

A winning team is the priority for me, then I’ll start concerning myself with the style in which we do it.

Very much this for me as well. Couldn’t care less as long as we win.

[The_Horde]

I had the same worries because I'm sure Butcher's idea was to get the ball into the channels behind the opposition's defence and play from there.

That's why I asked the question about the long ball and by-passing the midfield.

His answer satisfies my concerns. He hasn't said anything about getting it forward as quickly as possible. I prefer to be optimistic about the coming seasons rather than write Heckingbottom's style of play off before his own team has even started.

And again, pose the same question to Levein and he'll say similar. So I'll judge with my eyes and so far there's been more negative anti-football than sparkling possession and attacking flair.

[hfc rd]

And again, pose the same question to Levein and he'll say similar. So I'll judge with my eyes and so far there's been more negative anti-football than sparkling possession and attacking flair.


So anything our manager says, we need to take it as a pinch of salt?

[J-C]

Aye. So his philosophy is winning the ball back as quickly as you can with a high press so that you can then get on the front foot as quickly as possible. Retaining possession to get it forward asap essentially.

Go ask Levein what his philosophy is. It won't be far off.

Did see Man City's goal about 4 were getting the ball back quickly and counter attacking, they also play fantastic possession football, you can do both you know.

[JimboHibs]

Did see Man City's goal about 4 were getting the ball back quickly and counter attacking, they also play fantastic possession football, you can do both you know.

Who can do both ?

[500miles]

Nope. He's talking about having more control over the game which is entirely different to having possession of the ball.

John Collins wanted us to play the high press, talked about the high press a lot, as well as "the passing, the tempo, the movement".

[The_Horde]

Did see Man City's goal about 4 were getting the ball back quickly and counter attacking, they also play fantastic possession football, you can do both you know.

I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

[Hibs90]

I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

Prove it.

[J-C]

I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

You do realise you need the correct players to do it, we haven't got them yet.

[J-C]

Who can do both ?

Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal etc.

[The_Horde]

You do realise you need the correct players to do it, we haven't got them yet.

I hope you're right.

[SHODAN]

Gary Mackay-Steven is a free agent.

[04Sauzee]

Gary Mackay-Steven is a free agent.

Hopefully America bound

[eastcoasthibby]

First I would be more than happy getting GMS in to our club.
On the style of play Hecky seems to be talking about, it links up with having athleticism in the team, something we don't have much of at all, a couple of runs and couple if doggies trying to close the ball down and most give up for a rest !! I seriously just don't think a lot of our players are fit enough ...

[CentreLine]

I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

You were at the game yesterday?

Some of the crisp passing and penetrative football from Hibs was outstanding. Ball on the ground, played to feet or in front of the recipient and done at pace. Yes this team has a way to go under Paul Heckingbottom but the signs are already there and very clear that we will see some very good football at Easter Road under his watch.

You mention “long ball”. You will remember the ability of Alex Edwards, to name just one, to find a long pass. Who would refer to that as hoofball? We have players who are well capable of making an accurate long pass and we should use it to good effect. Mallan for one.

I too read an article that had Hibs higher up the long ball table than hearts. However, the article went on to clarify the difference between accurate long diagonals behind defences versus hopeful hoofball. Hibs, it seems, fell in to the former category. There will always be times when a team had to change its style and there are plenty on here who complain bitterly if the team do not change when our normal passing game is not affective in certain conditions.

I think you are are looking too hard to find reason to be critical.

[GloryGlory]

A simple plea to the admins:

Could there be a separate thread for people to put in "so-and-so's been released, could he do a job for Hibs?", please?

Could this be, for once, a genuine rumours thread - i.e. some real links to press speculation, etc?

[JimBHibees]

You were at the game yesterday?

Some of the crisp passing and penetrative football from Hibs was outstanding. Ball on the ground, played to feet or in front of the recipient and done at pace. Yes this team has a way to go under Paul Heckingbottom but the signs are already there and very clear that we will see some very good football at Easter Road under his watch.

You mention “long ball”. You will remember the ability of Alex Edwards, to name just one, to find a long pass. Who would refer to that as hoofball? We have players who are well capable of making an accurate long pass and we should use it to good effect. Mallan for one.

I too read an article that had Hibs higher up the long ball table than hearts. However, the article went on to clarify the difference between accurate long diagonals behind defences versus hopeful hoofball. Hibs, it seems, fell in to the former category. There will always be times when a team had to change its style and there are plenty on here who complain bitterly if the team do not change when our normal passing game is not affective in certain conditions.

I think you are are looking too hard to find reason to be critical.

Agree with that thought our football in the first half was as good as we have played for ages, good movement and passing, was very good to see.

[The_Horde]

You were at the game yesterday?

Some of the crisp passing and penetrative football from Hibs was outstanding. Ball on the ground, played to feet or in front of the recipient and done at pace. Yes this team has a way to go under Paul Heckingbottom but the signs are already there and very clear that we will see some very good football at Easter Road under his watch.

You mention “long ball”. You will remember the ability of Alex Edwards, to name just one, to find a long pass. Who would refer to that as hoofball? We have players who are well capable of making an accurate long pass and we should use it to good effect. Mallan for one.

I too read an article that had Hibs higher up the long ball table than hearts. However, the article went on to clarify the difference between accurate long diagonals behind defences versus hopeful hoofball. Hibs, it seems, fell in to the former category. There will always be times when a team had to change its style and there are plenty on here who complain bitterly if the team do not change when our normal passing game is not affective in certain conditions.

I think you are are looking too hard to find reason to be critical.

I enjoyed some of the football first half yesterday. That was the best since Motherwell at home.

I think Aberdeen showed us far too much respect and as soon as they came out in the 2nd half and put the press on we were hopeless, didn't have an extra gear and resorted to long balls as we couldn't make even the simplest of passes at times.

[Hibbyradge]

Could this be, for once, a genuine rumours thread - i.e. some real links to press speculation, etc?

:agree:

And if you could rustle up a cure for the common cold while you're at it, we'd be very grateful.

:greengrin

[Smartie]

I enjoyed some of the football first half yesterday. That was the best since Motherwell at home.

I think Aberdeen showed us far too much respect and as soon as they came out in the 2nd half and put the press on we were hopeless, didn't have an extra gear and resorted to long balls as we couldn't make even the simplest of passes at times.

This is my problem with our current players.

If you stand off them and let them play then they can look like world-beaters. Even Celtic made us look good before Christmas by adopting a send-off approach.

If you get in our faces we don't know what to do. We have looked poor against Rangers every time we've played them this season, as this is the approach they prefer.



That said, I did enjoy large parts of yesterday's game. It really brought to focus our deficiencies in the final third though, as we did enough to win several games and knowing how clinical Aberdeen can be, there was an inevitability to our losing a game that we had largely dominated.

[GloryGlory]

:agree:

And if you could rustle up a cure for the common cold while you're at it, we'd be very grateful.

:greengrin

I just hate opening this up when there are new posts and finding the "so-and-so's just been released" posts - so what is my reaction, give me something that links players with Hibs!

The alternative is an "other clubs ins-and-outs" thread, keep this thread for Hibs rumours, please! :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

I just hate opening this up when there are new posts and finding the "so-and-so's just been released" posts - so what is my reaction, give me something that links players with Hibs!

The alternative is an "other clubs ins-and-outs" thread, keep this thread for Hibs rumours, please! :greengrin

I feel your pain, but if the thread was only for rumours, there'd be about 4 posts!

[Since452]

A winning team is the priority for me, then I’ll start concerning myself with the style in which we do it.

:agree:

[bingo70]

I feel your pain, but if the thread was only for rumours, there'd be about 4 posts!


What we need is a separate thread for people complaining about the transfer thread so people in the transfer thread can get on with puns and transfer suggestions without interruption.

[SHODAN]

What we need is a separate thread for people complaining about the transfer thread so people in the transfer thread can get on with puns and transfer suggestions without interruption.

And another separate thread bemoaning people complaining about the people complaining about the transfer thread and how hibs.net "wasn't like this" some vague undefined period ago. :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Feeling nostalgic again for the old Greggs Board where each transfer rumour/topic had it's own thread instead of the cluster****** of a megathread we have these days.

[SHODAN]

Feeling nostalgic again for the old Greggs Board where each transfer rumour/topic had it's own thread instead of the cluster****** of a megathread we have these days.

That was even worse because 99% of the threads were literally "see X player, could he do a job for us?" but with this not specified in the title, so you clicked the link thinking we'd actually been linked with them.

[Speedway]

The PM board is your friend.

[CapitalGreen]

The PM board is your friend.

That thread isn’t much better, posts are just typically “player X was just mentioned on the main board, any truth in this?”

[Speedway]

That thread isn’t much better, posts are just pptypically “player X was just mentioned on the main board, any truth in this?”

It comes good as the window wears on.

[GloryGlory]

It comes good as the window wears on.

Anyone want to start a sweep to see how many posts we have on here by 31 August 2019?

Nah, me neither! :greengrin

[Lago]

The PM board is your friend.
Rubbish

[Hibbyradge]

What we need is a separate thread for people complaining about the transfer thread so people in the transfer thread can get on with puns and transfer suggestions without interruption.

You, sir, are a visionary. :not worth

[SMAXXA]

You, sir, are a visionary. :not worth

😂

[hhibs]

Gary Mackay-Steven is a free agent.

CAn,t stand him at Aberdeen or elsewhere but at Hibs ,yep I would have him !

[Speedway]

Rubbish

Thanks, Eric!

[Franck Stanton]

You were at the game yesterday?

Some of the crisp passing and penetrative football from Hibs was outstanding. Ball on the ground, played to feet or in front of the recipient and done at pace. Yes this team has a way to go under Paul Heckingbottom but the signs are already there and very clear that we will see some very good football at Easter Road under his watch.

You mention “long ball”. You will remember the ability of Alex Edwards, to name just one, to find a long pass. Who would refer to that as hoofball? We have players who are well capable of making an accurate long pass and we should use it to good effect. Mallan for one.

I too read an article that had Hibs higher up the long ball table than hearts. However, the article went on to clarify the difference between accurate long diagonals behind defences versus hopeful hoofball. Hibs, it seems, fell in to the former category. There will always be times when a team had to change its style and there are plenty on here who complain bitterly if the team do not change when our normal passing game is not affective in certain conditions.

I think you are are looking too hard to find reason to be critical.


Good point, well made.

[Franck Stanton]

Hopefully America bound

Why hopefully? Would like him in a hibs strip. Despite his habit of falling over in penalty area, is a good player to have around.

[04Sauzee]

Why hopefully? Would like him in a hibs strip. Despite his habit of falling over in penalty area, is a good player to have around.

Hopefully because I don't rate him that highly, can be a decent player on his day but I'd hope we can get better. And I don't want to see him falling over at Easter Road for any other team

[SHODAN]

Five more players released.

[Unseen work]

Been told we are after Hiram Boateng.

23 year year old who is not a free agent after his contract expired at Exceter.

Big physical lad who is very skilful on the ball. Very similar to Glen Kamara on the ball.

Fits in with what we expect Heckingbottom to go after.

[SHODAN]

Been told we are after Hiram Boateng.

23 year year old who is not a free agent after his contract expired at Exceter.

Big physical lad who is very skilful on the ball. Very similar to Glen Kamara on the ball.

Fits in with what we expect Heckingbottom to go after.

Sounds like what we need.

[04Sauzee]

Been told we are after Hiram Boateng.

23 year year old who is not a free agent after his contract expired at Exceter.

Big physical lad who is very skilful on the ball. Very similar to Glen Kamara on the ball.

Fits in with what we expect Heckingbottom to go after.
The footage I have seen of him he looks a player. Can't remember why I looked at him, I must have seen a rumour at some point

[Unseen work]

The footage I have seen of him he looks a player. Can't remember why I looked at him, I must have seen a rumour at some point

I had never heard of him before but after doing research when I was told we were interested he looks a player.

Don’t know how he would be defensively but based on the video below he looks impressive.

https://youtu.be/-H_8V7zjShQ

[ThatDayInMay]

Been told we are after Hiram Boateng.

23 year year old who is not a free agent after his contract expired at Exceter.

Big physical lad who is very skilful on the ball. Very similar to Glen Kamara on the ball.

Fits in with what we expect Heckingbottom to go after.

Hope there is some truth in this. Would be an excellent signing.

[04Sauzee]

I had never heard of him before but after doing research when I was told we were interested he looks a player.

Don’t know how he would be defensively but based on the video below he looks impressive.

https://youtu.be/-H_8V7zjShQ

That's the footage I watched, for the life of me I can't recall why I watched it, either heard we were after him or another club in Scotland were after him

[The_Horde]

Been told we are after Hiram Boateng.

23 year year old who is not a free agent after his contract expired at Exceter.

Big physical lad who is very skilful on the ball. Very similar to Glen Kamara on the ball.

Fits in with what we expect Heckingbottom to go after.

Funny, was thinking he's the type Hecky will be looking at ad I was watching the league 2 goals of the season on Twitter just last night.

[CockneyRebel]

I had never heard of him before but after doing research when I was told we were interested he looks a player.

Don’t know how he would be defensively but based on the video below he looks impressive.

https://youtu.be/-H_8V7zjShQ

Based on that video he would be out of our reach. FWIW my Palace pals tell me he was just a bit short of EPL quality and flitted on the fringe for a bit, got loaned out and then disappeared. I will try and get a bit more info but it seems that if he has not been injured or suffered a severe loss of form, then he would get plenty of offers and more dosh darn sarf.

[04Sauzee]

Based on that video he would be out of our reach. FWIW my Palace pals tell me he was just a bit short of EPL quality and flitted on the fringe for a bit, got loaned out and then disappeared. I will try and get a bit more info but it seems that if he has not been injured or suffered a severe loss of form, then he would get plenty of offers and more dosh darn sarf.

Looks like he missed a chunk of the season with a hip injury.
Also confused as Transfermarket has him down as a defensive midfield player yet his manager was talking about wanting him to score more tap ins?

[Gmack7]

ive seen enough, sign him

[Speedway]

So long as he’s better than our last Boateng.

[The_Horde]

Based on that video he would be out of our reach. FWIW my Palace pals tell me he was just a bit short of EPL quality and flitted on the fringe for a bit, got loaned out and then disappeared. I will try and get a bit more info but it seems that if he has not been injured or suffered a severe loss of form, then he would get plenty of offers and more dosh darn sarf.

Out of our reach? No chance. The guy's been playing league 2, if we can't compete for league 2 players there's something wrong. Especially considering we've signed 2 players from championship clubs just last season.

[ThomasAgyepong]

Brandon Barkers contract expires very soon I’m sure. Would love to see him back.

[J-C]

Funny, was thinking he's the type Hecky will be looking at ad I was watching the league 2 goals of the season on Twitter just last night.


Also noticed he's a lefty, something we've missed since McGinn left, gives the midfield more balance.

[SHODAN]

McNulty in the EEN saying he expects Hibs to try to get him back and that he'd like to come back too.

[Souter96Mac]

This boateng looks quality

[Unseen work]

McNulty in the EEN saying he expects Hibs to try to get him back and that he'd like to come back too.

Interesting how he seems like he wants it permanent too.

Suggests to me that wages have already been discussed and wouldn’t be an issue

[madhatter]

Boateng looks ok. Rumour just at this stage but I think, as we've seen, Scottish football takes physicality to another level, hope whoever we bring in are able to cope with that. No surprise that Aberdeen (clever team who know when to play anti-football with 5-6 big brutes) have done well up here. I know the difference between down south and here isn't as big but there is a gulf in refereeing and what is allowed and isn't.

Clips of Boateng playing suggests, as we know, players seem to get so much more time in other leagues. A few times I was expecting a crunching tackle as he was jogging with the ball but it never came.

Importance of being acquainted with a style of football can never be overstated. Omeonga proved to be a big player because he adjusted very quickly to our game. Not all players do. Kamberi is struggling with our game (and poor refereeing).

Boateng does look mobile though which would be a plus as that is what Bartley and Milligan sorely lacked at times.

Exciting times. I'm hoping we see movement this week and/or next. Pre-season is just around the corner (as strange as that is) and we also need a few new signings to show off the new kit.

[J-C]

Boateng looks ok. Rumour just at this stage but I think, as we've seen, Scottish football takes physicality to another level, hope whoever we bring in are able to cope with that. No surprise that Aberdeen (clever team who know when to play anti-football with 5-6 big brutes) have done well up here. I know the difference between down south and here isn't as big but there is a gulf in refereeing and what is allowed and isn't.

Clips of Boateng playing suggests, as we know, players seem to get so much more time in other leagues. A few times I was expecting a crunching tackle as he was jogging with the ball but it never came.

Importance of being acquainted with a style of football can never be overstated. Omeonga proved to be a big player because he adjusted very quickly to our game. Not all players do. Kamberi is struggling with our game (and poor refereeing).

Boateng does look mobile though which would be a plus as that is what Bartley and Milligan sorely lacked at times.

Exciting times. I'm hoping we see movement this week and/or next. Pre-season is just around the corner (as strange as that is) and we also need a few new signings to show off the new kit.


I wouldn't be surprised to see Kamberi move on, there were rumours he fell out with his manager at Grasshopper's and here with Lennon, he also comes across as a bit huffy and petulant if things aren't going his way, this season has been a perfect example of a player playing out of skin to get a contract and then seeing exactly what we get when he signs, apart from his spell on loan his scoring isn't that great tbh less than 1in4. I think McNulty understands the single striker role better and will work harder for the team, probably a better fit for a Heckingbottom style team.

[GloryGlory]

Been told we are after Hiram Boateng.

23 year year old who is not a free agent after his contract expired at Exceter.

Big physical lad who is very skilful on the ball. Very similar to Glen Kamara on the ball.

Fits in with what we expect Heckingbottom to go after.

Is he any good? Then, hurry up and hire 'um, Hecky! :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

A couple of folk calling for a previously unheard of player to be signed up immediately.

I realise this is a forlorn hope, but people need to be patient.

The transfer window doesn't even open for another 3 weeks!

We're going to have a total of 15 fun weeks of angst, excitement, criticism, bed wetting, blind optimism and transfer window bingo, but it won't start until June 11.

It closes at midnight on Monday 2 September.

There's a valuable prize* for the first person to spot a post lambasting the board/Petrie/Heckingbottom for the lack of signings before the window opens. :greengrin

(*There's no prize).

[bingo70]

A couple of folk calling for a previously unheard of player to be signed up immediately.

I realise this is a forlorn hope, but people need to be patient.

The transfer window doesn't even open for another 3 weeks!

We're going to have a total of 15 fun weeks of angst, excitement, criticism, bed wetting, blind optimism and transfer window bingo, but it won't start until June 11.

It closes at midnight on Monday 2 September.

There's a valuable prize* for the first person to spot a post lambasting the board/Petrie/Heckingbottom for the lack of signings before the window opens. :greengrin

(*There's no prize).

I admire your optimism in your calls for patience.

The date the window opens is completely irrelevant though. We can still sign players between now and the window opening, we just can’t register them to play for us until then, as there’s no games in that period that doesn’t matter though.

[CapitalGreen]

The transfer window doesn't even open for another 3 weeks!

We can sign players at anytime, we just can't register them with the SFA until the window opens. "Transfer window" is a misnomer, it should actually be called a registration window. (eg when we signed Eoin Doyle in December but couldn't register him until Jan 1st)

[Hibbyradge]

I admire your optimism in your calls for patience.



I did say it was a forlorn hope :greengrin

I do realise we can sign players early, meaning we actually have 18 weeks of silly season, not just 15 :woo hoo:, but most agents, players and clubs like to keep their options open.

These 3 weeks also allow players etc to take holidays.

September the second seems a long, long way off. I wonder how many people will have been mutually consented from here by then ...

[SHODAN]

I did say it was a forlorn hope :greengrin

I do realise we can sign players early, meaning we actually have 18 weeks of silly season, not just 15 :woo hoo:, but most agents, players and clubs like to keep their options open.

These 3 weeks also allow players etc to take holidays.

September the second seems a long, long way off. I wonder how many people will have been mutually consented from here by then ...

I can only see Whittaker and Slivka being released by the club out of who we have left.

[GloryGlory]

I admire your optimism in your calls for patience.

The date the window opens is completely irrelevant though. We can still sign players between now and the window opening, we just can’t register them to play for us until then, as there’s no games in that period that doesn’t matter though.

:agree: Hecky has given a bit of a hostage to fortune by stating he wants the bulk of new signings in by the time training restarts in late June.

Cue meltdown on here if there isn't much between now and then :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

:agree: Hecky has given a bit of a hostage to fortune by stating he wants the bulk of new signings in by the time training restarts in late June.

Cue meltdown on here if there isn't much between now and then :greengrin

Lennon wanted his players in for pre-season last year.

Cue wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[SHODAN]

#AnnounceBoateng

[Stokesy's on fire]

Brandon Barkers contract expires very soon I’m sure. Would love to see him back.

loved Brandon Barker lets hope we do see him back

[SquashedFrogg]

loved Brandon Barker lets hope we do see him back

Ditto.

[Ronniekirk]

Boateng looks ok. Rumour just at this stage but I think, as we've seen, Scottish football takes physicality to another level, hope whoever we bring in are able to cope with that. No surprise that Aberdeen (clever team who know when to play anti-football with 5-6 big brutes) have done well up here. I know the difference between down south and here isn't as big but there is a gulf in refereeing and what is allowed and isn't.

Clips of Boateng playing suggests, as we know, players seem to get so much more time in other leagues. A few times I was expecting a crunching tackle as he was jogging with the ball but it never came.

Importance of being acquainted with a style of football can never be overstated. Omeonga proved to be a big player because he adjusted very quickly to our game. Not all players do. Kamberi is struggling with our game (and poor refereeing).

Boateng does look mobile though which would be a plus as that is what Bartley and Milligan sorely lacked at times.

Exciting times. I'm hoping we see movement this week and/or next. Pre-season is just around the corner (as strange as that is) and we also need a few new signings to show off the new kit.

I know we have struggled to beat Aberdeen but I know which team I prefer watching and it’s not them We need to find players that can u lock defences Fraser Murray’s chip over the defence for McNulty s goal was great but Fraser naturally tired and then made wrong choices ,hopefully with pre season under his belt he has more to offer next Season even if primarily off the Bench
Scotty ,we know what he can do
McNulty took the goal well but was offside a lot But if he is coming back we need another scoring striker Shaw for some reason has stagnated a bit so remains to be seen if he is going to be anything more than third choice striker so next Season is huge for him if he is to progress with us
Kamberri has not been consistent this Season and I Hope Heck can get him sorted for next season But if he isn’t enjoying the new wide role Heck has been playing him in then with Boyle back we need to find a position that gets the best out of him
Looking forward to the New Season though with Optimism and see no reason with the right Signings we can’t be chasing that third spot


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[JimBHibees]

I can only see Whittaker and Slivka being released by the club out of who we have left.

Personally think Flo might go also.

[JimBHibees]

So long as he’s better than our last Boateng.

Indeed Arsenal u21 captain, he was quite simply one of the worst players I have ever seen. Watched a reserve derby at Livingston and he was playing centre back and ducking out of the way of the ball.

[PatHead]

Indeed Arsenal u21 captain, he was quite simply one of the worst players I have ever seen. Watched a reserve derby at Livingston and he was playing centre back and ducking out of the way of the ball.

Now plays in the Romanian second division.

[jeffers]

Indeed Arsenal u21 captain, he was quite simply one of the worst players I have ever seen. Watched a reserve derby at Livingston and he was playing centre back and ducking out of the way of the ball.
I know you can't read much into a YouTube highlights video but
his was quite possibly the worst I've ever seen.

[we are hibs]

Indeed Arsenal u21 captain, he was quite simply one of the worst players I have ever seen. Watched a reserve derby at Livingston and he was playing centre back and ducking out of the way of the ball.

He must have enjoyed that particular move as I remember him doing it at st.johnstone too. He may have been sent off that day I can't remember

[jonny]

loved Brandon Barker lets hope we do see him back

A player who got me off my seat every time he made a forward run with the ball. I'd love to see him back.

[Gmack7]

He must have enjoyed that particular move as I remember him doing it at st.johnstone too. He may have been sent off that day I can't remember

i remember a game at ER when i think he came on at HT, it was a total mud bath and he left the pitch at FT looking like a mannequin from the club shop, absolutely spotless

[04Sauzee]

A player who got me off my seat every time he made a forward run with the ball. I'd love to see him back.

Aye he wasn't half bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2l5GnHkOC0

[MWHIBBIES]

i remember a game at ER when i think he came on at HT, it was a total mud bath and he left the pitch at FT looking like a mannequin from the club shop, absolutely spotless

Not surprising, he played 25 minutes of football for Hibs at home across 2 sub appearances.

[HoboHarry]

I can only see Whittaker and Slivka being released by the club out of who we have left.
They can't be released, they are under contract. Financial agreement to pay them off yes.......

[Unseen work]

I liked Barker but think he is one of them now he’s left that is overrated.

He could do some very good things but his end product and decision making were poor a lot of the time.

He flattered to deceive a lot however near the end of the season his form seemed to pick up and he got a couple of goals and assists.

Funny when you compare him to Horgan (who doesn’t seem to get much credit) Horgan stars are quite a bit better.

Horgan
Goals - 7
Assists - 7
Games - 35

Barker
Goals - 2
Assists - 4
Games - 29

Now I really do like Barker, he has great pace and close control, he can beat a man like he’s not even there. His injuries worry me though as he missed a fair chunk of the season with us and again this season with Preston.

All that said would I take him back? Absolutely. But the deal needs to be right.

[MWHIBBIES]

I liked Barker but think he is one of them now he’s left that is overrated.

He could do some very good things but his end product and decision making were poor a lot of the time.

He flattered to deceive a lot however near the end of the season his form seemed to pick up and he got a couple of goals and assists.

Funny when you compare him to Horgan (who doesn’t seem to get much credit) Horgan stars are quite a bit better.

Horgan
Goals - 7
Assists - 7
Games - 35

Barker
Goals - 2
Assists - 4
Games - 29

Now I really do like Barker, he has great pace and close control, he can beat a man like he’s not even there. His injuries worry me though as he missed a fair chunk of the season with us and again this season with Preston.

All that said would I take him back? Absolutely. But the deal needs to be right.

This is spot on. Barker has brilliant potential but his end product was definitely lacking. The kind of player who could make us big bucks if he came and had 2 good seasons though.

[The 90+2]

This is spot on. Barker has brilliant potential but his end product was definitely lacking. The kind of player who could make us big bucks if he came and had 2 good seasons though.

Barker for me was coming onto a game big time towards the end of the season when it seemed everything clicked with him. If we could replicate that form he would be a class signing.

[MWHIBBIES]

Barker for me was coming onto a game big time towards the end of the season when it seemed everything clicked with him. If we could replicate that form he would be a class signing.

Agreed. Was pretty average until then though. Missed some big chances early on in the season.

[PatHead]

Don't think we can risk taking Barker back. We need players who can physically cope with 30+ games a season.

We need to have a squad of players who are available all the time with no passengers like Brandon, wee Tam, Johnson......

[CapitalGreen]

I liked Barker but think he is one of them now he’s left that is overrated.

He could do some very good things but his end product and decision making were poor a lot of the time.

He flattered to deceive a lot however near the end of the season his form seemed to pick up and he got a couple of goals and assists.

Funny when you compare him to Horgan (who doesn’t seem to get much credit) Horgan stars are quite a bit better.

Horgan
Goals - 7
Assists - 7
Games - 35

Barker
Goals - 2
Assists - 4
Games - 29

Now I really do like Barker, he has great pace and close control, he can beat a man like he’s not even there. His injuries worry me though as he missed a fair chunk of the season with us and again this season with Preston.

All that said would I take him back? Absolutely. But the deal needs to be right.

Brandon Barker was 20/21 when with us while Darryl Horgan was 26. Unless you believe there is no more upward potential in Barker then I am not sure it is fair to compare him to someone with 5 years more development. At 21 years old Horgan was playing for Cork City so its fair to say he has developed significantly in the intervening time before joining us.

[04Sauzee]

Brandon Barker was 20/21 when with us while Darryl Horgan was 26. Unless you believe there is no more upward potential in Barker then I am not sure it is fair to compare him to someone with 5 years more development. At 21 years old Horgan was playing for Cork City so its fair to say he has developed significantly in the intervening time before joining us.

Was about to post something very similar

[500miles]

Brandon Barker has had 9 hamstring injuries in his career so far. He's only 22.

[SHODAN]

Have to agree with a few posters on here - Barker is a good player but after last season we should be steering clear of injury-prone players.

[HibeeJude]

I liked Barker but think he is one of them now he’s left that is overrated.

He could do some very good things but his end product and decision making were poor a lot of the time.

He flattered to deceive a lot however near the end of the season his form seemed to pick up and he got a couple of goals and assists.

Funny when you compare him to Horgan (who doesn’t seem to get much credit) Horgan stars are quite a bit better.

Horgan
Goals - 7
Assists - 7
Games - 35

Barker
Goals - 2
Assists - 4
Games - 29

Now I really do like Barker, he has great pace and close control, he can beat a man like he’s not even there. His injuries worry me though as he missed a fair chunk of the season with us and again this season with Preston.

All that said would I take him back? Absolutely. But the deal needs to be right.

Agree with you that Horgan doesn’t get nearly enough credit but IMO Barker has potential to be a better player if he was able to stay fit, getting him on a permanent would be a brilliant signing

[Unseen work]

Brandon Barker was 20/21 when with us while Darryl Horgan was 26. Unless you believe there is no more upward potential in Barker then I am not sure it is fair to compare him to someone with 5 years more development. At 21 years old Horgan was playing for Cork City so its fair to say he has developed significantly in the intervening time before joining us.

My point is Barker seems to be hailed as an incredible player where as Horgan seems to get next to no recognition.

We can only judge them on what they’ve done for us.

Barker needs to stay fit for a season and take it from there, whether it’s a fitness regime or what something needs to change.

I want Barker back but I wouldn’t break the bank for him.

[Billy Whizz]

Brandon Barker has had 9 hamstring injuries in his career so far. He's only 22.

As do most players who have rapid pace, hamstring injuries are part and parcel
Must admit he’s had more than he should have. Maybe not looking after himself as well as he should do

[500miles]

As do most players who have rapid pace, hamstring injuries are part and parcel
Must admit he’s had more than he should have. Maybe not looking after himself as well as he should do

I know that fast players suffer, but Barker has yet to manage 30 games a season, even including prem reserve games.

[04Sauzee]

As do most players who have rapid pace, hamstring injuries are part and parcel
Must admit he’s had more than he should have. Maybe not looking after himself as well as he should do

Pretty sure I read an article where Alex Neil was slating Neil Lennon for not managing Barker's injuries correctly?

[Billy Whizz]

Pretty sure I read an article where Alex Neil was slating Neil Lennon for not managing Barker's injuries correctly?

I’m sure it should be the medical staff at hibs and Man City that would be responsible for that, and we’ve got a great team at Hibs
Only played 12 league games for PNE this season.....

[MWHIBBIES]

I know that fast players suffer, but Barker has yet to manage 30 games a season, even including prem reserve games.

He managed 30 appearances for Hibs

[500miles]

He managed 30 appearances for Hibs

Just checked transfermarkt, you're right (I missed cup games) . And it has him as having a knee knock rather than hamstring issue.

Still not great, but better than I thought.

[BlackSheep]

Pretty sure I read an article where Alex Neil was slating Neil Lennon for not managing Barker's injuries correctly?

Not sure Lennon is to blame directly, perhaps the pressure form the manager forced players to play hurt... look at Kamberi earlier this season.

[Sioux]

Not sure Lennon is to blame directly, perhaps the pressure form the manager forced players to play hurt... look at Kamberi earlier this season.

If Lennon was forcing players to play when not fully fit, how is he not involved directly? Who else would you blame?

[Speedway]

Brandon Barker was 20/21 when with us while Darryl Horgan was 26. Unless you believe there is no more upward potential in Barker then I am not sure it is fair to compare him to someone with 5 years more development. At 21 years old Horgan was playing for Cork City so its fair to say he has developed significantly in the intervening time before joining us.

So in 4/5 years time, Barker might provide 7 assists for us in a single season.

We get very sentimental at Hibs. The boy was fast, could take the ball for a walk but it took him all season to find an end product. An end product he appears not to have reproduced at PNE.

Teams knew that one heavy challenge in him made us use a sub and change our game plan.

Horgan’s done far more for us.

No thanks.

[stokesmessiah]

So in 4/5 years time, Barker might provide 7 assists for us in a single season.

We get very sentimental at Hibs. The boy was fast, could take the ball for a walk but it took him all season to find an end product. An end product he appears not to have reproduced at PNE.

Teams knew that one heavy challenge in him made us use a sub and change our game plan.

Horgan’s done far more for us.

No thanks.

Amen!

[Leith Green]

So in 4/5 years time, Barker might provide 7 assists for us in a single season.

We get very sentimental at Hibs. The boy was fast, could take the ball for a walk but it took him all season to find an end product. An end product he appears not to have reproduced at PNE.

Teams knew that one heavy challenge in him made us use a sub and change our game plan.

Horgan’s done far more for us.

No thanks.



I agree ... I think Horgan with a good pre season under his belt will be some player for us next season. He has far more to offer the team than barker in my opinion , he is far stronger and harder working as well as being more of a threat in attack.

[Stuart93]

So in 4/5 years time, Barker might provide 7 assists for us in a single season.

We get very sentimental at Hibs. The boy was fast, could take the ball for a walk but it took him all season to find an end product. An end product he appears not to have reproduced at PNE.

Teams knew that one heavy challenge in him made us use a sub and change our game plan.

Horgan’s done far more for us.

No thanks.

This is the case with many players who come and go. The majority are made out to be a lot better than they were

[ancient hibee]

If Lennon was forcing players to play when not fully fit, how is he not involved directly? Who else would you blame?

Is there to be no end to dragging Lennon into every thread with made up stories.The “proof” for this story is a poster”thinking he might have read”,jeez.

[04Sauzee]

Is there to be no end to dragging Lennon into every thread with made up stories.The “proof” for this story is a poster”thinking he might have read”,jeez.

It wasn't my intention of upsetting anyone with a made up story. If I can find the link to the story I will post it. I remember being peeved at the time of reading it and even if Alex Neil did say it, it doesn't mean that we handled Barker badly

[ancient hibee]

It wasn't my intention of upsetting anyone with a made up story. If I can find the link to the story I will post it. I remember being peeved at the time of reading it and even if Alex Neil did say it, it doesn't mean that we handled Barker badly
I didn’t mean you made it up .

[jeffers]

So in 4/5 years time, Barker might provide 7 assists for us in a single season.

We get very sentimental at Hibs. The boy was fast, could take the ball for a walk but it took him all season to find an end product. An end product he appears not to have reproduced at PNE.

Teams knew that one heavy challenge in him made us use a sub and change our game plan.

Horgan’s done far more for us.

No thanks.

I'd have him back in a minute. Took him half a season to get up to speed but in the end he was scoring a few and creating chances for others. Teams couldn't cope with his pace and I felt there was a buzz when he got the ball I don't remember since Ivan was with us. We already have Boyle and Horgan, they won't all be required every game. Barker would be a good addition IMO.

Similarly McGeouch has been injured quite a bit this season, hasn't exactly set the heather alight at Sunderland and couldn't get into the side latterly, yet the majority on here are getting excited at the prospect of his return.

[04Sauzee]

I didn’t mean you made it up .

Sorry I know you didn't, it was bugging me knowing I had read something but couldn't find where I had read it. The only thing I could come up with is in the attached

[Lago]

I didn’t mean you made it up .
Kissed and made up,:agree:

[supermcginn]

I'd have him back in a minute. Took him half a season to get up to speed but in the end he was scoring a few and creating chances for others. Teams couldn't cope with his pace and I felt there was a buzz when he got the ball I don't remember since Ivan was with us. We already have Boyle and Horgan, they won't all be required every game. Barker would be a good addition IMO.

Similarly McGeouch has been injured quite a bit this season, hasn't exactly set the heather alight at Sunderland and couldn't get into the side latterly, yet the majority on here are getting excited at the prospect of his return.

Couldn't agree more.

[Speedway]

I'd have him back in a minute. Took him half a season to get up to speed but in the end he was scoring a few and creating chances for others. Teams couldn't cope with his pace and I felt there was a buzz when he got the ball I don't remember since Ivan was with us. We already have Boyle and Horgan, they won't all be required every game. Barker would be a good addition IMO.

Similarly McGeouch has been injured quite a bit this season, hasn't exactly set the heather alight at Sunderland and couldn't get into the side latterly, yet the majority on here are getting excited at the prospect of his return.

They certainly could cope with his pace. He contributed 4 assists all season as pointed out earlier.

[jeffers]

They certainly could cope with his pace. He contributed 4 assists all season as pointed out earlier.

I don't think it's that black and white. Not disputing he needed to up his assist tally, but an out ball to a player with his pace is a very useful attribute to have.

[Winston Ingram]

Barkers contract expires in 2020

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/brandon-barker/profil/spieler/214927

[Speedway]

I don't think it's that black and white. Not disputing he needed to up his assist tally, but an out ball to a player with his pace is a very useful attribute to have.

Not if little/nothing comes from it all season.

[madhatter]

Have to say on paper Motherwell seem to be making decent signings. Hopefully that shows the state of the league at the minute.

Cadden situation is interesting. He’s certainly a player I wouldn’t mind coming in to see how he develops considering his age. Good competition for Boyle as well.

[Hibbyradge]

Not if little/nothing comes from it all season.

I liked Barker.

He was a brilliant option for an out ball and took the game into the last third of the pitch for us.

Yes, he didn't get many assists, but he was able to give the ball to someone else who could make the killer pass.

Those are desirable attributes, imo.

[The_Horde]

I liked Barker.

He was a brilliant option for an out ball and took the game into the last third of the pitch for us.

Yes, he didn't get many assists, but he was able to give the ball to someone else who could make the killer pass.

Those are desirable attributes, imo.

Worth noting as well that most of his best performances, goals and assists came after we'd changed the forward line.

[Speedway]

When did it become law that all signing activity had to be referred to as recruitment?

[Hibbyradge]

When did it become law that all signing activity had to be referred to as recruitment?

When it was discovered that we had a recruitment team.

[Unseen work]

Some good players been released/out of contract in League 1.

Max Clayton a striker being one and Jake Forster Caskey.

Forster Caskey would be a great signing however imagine he has better options than us. Good pals with Scott Allan however.

[04Sauzee]

Some good players been released/out of contract in League 1.

Max Clayton a striker being one and Jake Forster Caskey.

Forster Caskey would be a great signing however imagine he has better options than us. Good pals with Scott Allan however.

Both young lads look like they had bad injuries last season so didn't get much game time. Before the injuries it seems there was some decent chat about them

[SHODAN]

Steven Naismith has been released so Hearts will actually have to pay ridiculous wages for more than one season if they want to buy him now.

[04Sauzee]

Steven Naismith has been released so Hearts will actually have to pay ridiculous wages for more than one season if they want to buy him now.

Rumour has it that it could be a player coach so wages may not be as high?

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Steven Naismith has been released so Hearts will actually have to pay ridiculous wages for more than one season if they want to buy him now.

We was on crazy wages at Norwich, £30-40k a week.

Hearts were only picking up £8-10k - probably someone else’s money but they only owe it to themselves so it’s fine

Depending on how settled he is in Scotland/Edinburgh with his family that’s a massive cut to take

Could be America bound

[we are hibs]

Naismith will play for a couple months for hearts then break down. He's injury prone.

[CapitalGreen]

Rumour has it that it could be a player coach so wages may not be as high?

I wonder if Killie may offer him a Player/Manager role.

[easty]

We was on crazy wages at Norwich, £30-40k a week.

Hearts were only picking up £8-10k - probably someone else’s money but they only owe it to themselves so it’s fine

Depending on how settled he is in Scotland/Edinburgh with his family that’s a massive cut to take

Could be America bound

It's not really a cut though. He'll no longer be on a £30-40k a week contract, he'll be unemployed, so he's only worth whatever someone is willing to pay him...and nobody is going to pay him £30k a week.

[The_Horde]

We was on crazy wages at Norwich, £30-40k a week.

Hearts were only picking up £8-10k - probably someone else’s money but they only owe it to themselves so it’s fine

Depending on how settled he is in Scotland/Edinburgh with his family that’s a massive cut to take

Could be America bound

Deals done. Waiting til after the final to announce.

[Stuart93]

Naismith will play for a couple months for hearts then break down. He's injury prone.

Yep would’ve been more concerned if he’d played all season. He’s missed the majority and can’t see it getting any better

[SHODAN]

Deals done. Waiting til after the final to announce.

For them or America?

[The_Horde]

For them or America?

Them.

[Stevie Reid]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

[blackpoolhibs]

They certainly could cope with his pace. He contributed 4 assists all season as pointed out earlier.

He was trying to supply a forward line that was 50% gash. :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

Totally agree with the above, football is a team game that is all too often boiled down to who scores the goal or makes the final pass or at the other end who saves or makes the final tackle. It is understandable though because in Scotland that is really the only metrics we have available for comparison.

There is a good article on the Opta blog discussing this that I think you would find interesting if you haven't already read it. https://www.optasportspro.com/news-analysis/blog-how-we-assign-credit-in-football/

[Stevie Reid]

Totally agree with the above, football is a team game that is all too often boiled down to who scores the goal or makes the final pass or at the other end who saves or makes the final tackle. It is understandable though because in Scotland that is really the only metrics we have available for comparison.

There is a good article on the Opta blog discussing this that I think you would find interesting if you haven't already read it. https://www.optasportspro.com/news-analysis/blog-how-we-assign-credit-in-football/

Thanks very much CG, very interesting reading :aok:

I might be wrong, but did assists not only come to prominence due to fantasy football stats anyway? And even then, I think that came from NFL fantasty football, where the last pass before a touchdown is a more telling contribution.

[007]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

Well said.

[jeffers]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

Put into words what I was too lazy to do last night, but probably wouldn't have made such a good job of it. Totally agree with your post.

[heretoday]

Get Barker. Make him the big signing.

[Speedway]

He was trying to supply a forward line that was 50% gash. :greengrin

Gash supplying gash? That can't be good


Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

Because as the season wore on, you knew most of the time it was going to come to nothing.

The reason those GPS vests are getting worn is because we're measuring ground covered, pass completion, goals scored, assists etc because that's how we're determining how effective a team we are.

There is no league table for how nuanced a side is or how lovely they are to watch and therefore no money involved.

Barker is shown by the stats to neither have made many killer passes that turned into goals nor scored many himself.

For an attacking player, that's not much use to us, no matter how often your arse is stood up while watching him.

[My_Wife_Camille]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.
I actually agree with your point completely and have been shot down for making it myself in the past but I personally don't put Barker into that bracket. I wouldn't be against him coming back but equally I wouldn't be overly excited if he did.

[SHODAN]

I actually agree with your point completely and have been shot down for making it myself in the past but I personally don't put Barker into that bracket. I wouldn't be against him coming back but equally I wouldn't be overly excited if he did.

:agree:

I honestly think we're find for first-choice wingers with Boyle and Horgan. It's the middle of the park and up front that needs sorted.

[joe_hfc]

Barker still has a year on his contract:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-young-gun-brandon-9782733

I can't see him spending his final year here with a view to getting a contract up here if all goes well. IMO he's more likely to try and stay down south and earn a more lucrative deal down there. He (or at least his agent) will know that if he doesn't get a deal down south once his contract expires, he can likely go to almost any SPL club he wants no problem.

[Partyraiser]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

Couldn't agree more! I'd have Barker back in an instant

[Stevie Reid]

Gash supplying gash? That can't be good



Because as the season wore on, you knew most of the time it was going to come to nothing.

The reason those GPS vests are getting worn is because we're measuring ground covered, pass completion, goals scored, assists etc because that's how we're determining how effective a team we are.

There is no league table for how nuanced a side is or how lovely they are to watch and therefore no money involved.

Barker is shown by the stats to neither have made many killer passes that turned into goals nor scored many himself.

For an attacking player, that's not much use to us, no matter how often your arse is stood up while watching him.

Well his two goals came in his last seven appearances for us, and I know at least one assist did - so going by your strict adherence to such things, your point re: as the season went on isn't true.

You don't really address any of the points I made especially well in the rest of your post.

[Stevie Reid]

I actually agree with your point completely and have been shot down for making it myself in the past but I personally don't put Barker into that bracket. I wouldn't be against him coming back but equally I wouldn't be overly excited if he did.

Fair enough man. The spectrum of opinion on Barker on here has always surprised me.

[yerauldda]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

Could not agree more. That first half against Hearts when Murray scored the winner with Barker and Boyle on the wings was one of the most exciting I have ever watched. You knew both players were going to beat the full back every time they picked up the ball. Players like Barker are worth the entry fee alone.

The other thing is at this level, pace is hard to come by and it is so tough to defend against. Pace stretches teams. We would be a nightmare for defences next season with Allan playing in guys like Horgan, Boyle and Barker. Sign him up.

[J-C]

Barker was still fairly raw when he was here and it was his final ball/decision that infuriated me, he was the type of player like Boyle who got you off your seat, his only real problem is his injury record, similar to Agyepong.

[Speedway]

Well his two goals came in his last seven appearances for us, and I know at least one assist did - so going by your strict adherence to such things, your point re: as the season went on isn't true.

You don't really address any of the points I made especially well in the rest of your post.


Ok, what’s the point in having an ‘out ball’ who then takes the ball up the park in seconds if they do very little with it and presumably turning over possession on the process?

Bottom line - Barker wasn’t very good at the thing he was supposed to do (set up goals)

Therefore, I’d like us to sign someone who is very good at setting up goals and that’s not Barker.

Therefore, I don’t want Barker.

[AlbertK86]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.

Couldn’t agree more


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[GreenCastle]

I would take Barker.

Him and Boyle on both wings definitely caused oppositions teams problems. We had been crying out for width and speed - please we don’t have enough players who can go past opposition players.

His issues were didn’t score enough.
Injuries.

Both if he had improved - he wouldn’t be at Hibs level. Like Scott Allan he seemed to have a club that got the best out of him so would welcome him back.

[Stevie Reid]

Ok, what’s the point in having an ‘out ball’ who then takes the ball up the park in seconds if they do very little with it and presumably turning over possession on the process?

Bottom line - Barker wasn’t very good at the thing he was supposed to do (set up goals)

Therefore, I’d like us to sign someone who is very good at setting up goals and that’s not Barker.

Therefore, I don’t want Barker.

I think you're being a bit obtuse, but you carry on.

Also it's interesting that you take such an approach here. Going purely on metrics Jamie McLaren was an excellent goal scorer in his first spell -and he was signed to score goals - yet you didn't rate him.

[The 90+2]

Looks like we missed out on the mighty Curtis Main who is off to Aberdeen.

[bingo70]

Looks like we missed out on the mighty Curtis Main who is off to Aberdeen.

Don’t think we missed out on him but Hearts did, was them and Aberdeen who were in for him.

[Smartie]

Main is every bit an Aberdeen player.

[matty_f]

Main is every bit an Aberdeen player.

That's what I thought as soon as I saw the post saying he'd signed there. :agree:

[The 90+2]

Don’t think we missed out on him but Hearts did, was them and Aberdeen who were in for him.

We should have been in for him though....or not 😉

[CapitalGreen]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af86af803ce64f8a781a1eb/1526229759168/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+9.42.04+AM.png?format=750w

Barker had the 2nd most completed dribbles per game in 2017/18 and does not feature on the list of players who lost possession most often.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af8f2a92b6a28d75239c8f3/1526264496259/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+7.20.49+PM.png?format=750w

He was also 29th in the league for key passes per 90mins which are passes that lead to a chance. (ahead of both Mackay Steven and Jordan Jones)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5b1011edf950b7606d298711/1527779833461/Key+Passes.PNG?format=500w

[Stevie Reid]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af86af803ce64f8a781a1eb/1526229759168/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+9.42.04+AM.png?format=750w

Barker had the 2nd most completed dribbles per game in 2017/18 and does not feature on the list of players who lost possession most often.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af8f2a92b6a28d75239c8f3/1526264496259/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+7.20.49+PM.png?format=750w

He was also 29th in the league for key passes per 90mins which are passes that lead to a chance. (ahead of both Mackay Steven and Jordan Jones)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5b1011edf950b7606d298711/1527779833461/Key+Passes.PNG?format=500w

Nice one CG, really interesting to see that :aok:

[04Sauzee]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af86af803ce64f8a781a1eb/1526229759168/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+9.42.04+AM.png?format=750w

Barker had the 2nd most completed dribbles per game in 2017/18 and does not feature on the list of players who lost possession most often.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af8f2a92b6a28d75239c8f3/1526264496259/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+7.20.49+PM.png?format=750w

He was also 29th in the league for key passes per 90mins which are passes that lead to a chance. (ahead of both Mackay Steven and Jordan Jones)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5b1011edf950b7606d298711/1527779833461/Key+Passes.PNG?format=500w
Fantastic stats

[Dr_Regal]

Saw a couple of games this year for Preston that Barker played a part in, and he was truly terrifying for the oppositions defenders. Would love him back.

[MrRobot]

Brandon Barker would be a great addition. Genuinely amazed thqat some people wouldn't want him back.

End product may not have been fully there but he was developing very well at Hibs and came onto a good run of form before his injury.

[FitbaFolkKen]

When did it become law that all signing activity had to be referred to as recruitment?

Don't worry it is only a matter of time before it becomes onboarding.

[MyJo]

I think if we are going to be playing a 4-4-2 formation going forward we are going to need players that can play a more traditional left/right midfield role as opposed to simply being wide attackers.

As decent a player as Barker is I can't recall him ever tracking back. This is probably fine playing 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 but in a 4-4-2 it could leave us horribly exposed to attacks down our left flank. His fragility is also a concern when we will need whoever is playing left and right midfield to be able to get stuck in to tackles to win the ball in midfield as well as pushing forward.

I think Boyle and Horgan will be our first choice players for these positions for next season and I could see Mackie slotting in well to a left midfield position within that type of structure as well.

[J-C]

Looks like we missed out on the mighty Curtis Main who is off to Aberdeen.

Another lump who'll kick, elbow and foul every minute, Aberdeen are really turning into an ugly dirty team.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Looks like we missed out on the mighty Curtis Main who is off to Aberdeen.

Never on Hecky's radar

[Lewiehas2]

I think if we are going to be playing a 4-4-2 formation going forward we are going to need players that can play a more traditional left/right midfield role as opposed to simply being wide attackers.

As decent a player as Barker is I can't recall him ever tracking back. This is probably fine playing 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 but in a 4-4-2 it could leave us horribly exposed to attacks down our left flank. His fragility is also a concern when we will need whoever is playing left and right midfield to be able to get stuck in to tackles to win the ball in midfield as well as pushing forward.

I think Boyle and Horgan will be our first choice players for these positions for next season and I could see Mackie slotting in well to a left midfield position within that type of structure as well.

We do play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1

[The 90+2]

Never on Hecky's radar

Yeah I was taking the piss out them wanting him 👍

[number9dream]

I think if we are going to be playing a 4-4-2 formation going forward we are going to need players that can play a more traditional left/right midfield role as opposed to simply being wide attackers.

As decent a player as Barker is I can't recall him ever tracking back. This is probably fine playing 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 but in a 4-4-2 it could leave us horribly exposed to attacks down our left flank. His fragility is also a concern when we will need whoever is playing left and right midfield to be able to get stuck in to tackles to win the ball in midfield as well as pushing forward.

I think Boyle and Horgan will be our first choice players for these positions for next season and I could see Mackie slotting in well to a left midfield position within that type of structure as well.

What makes you think we’ll be playing 4-4-2 next season? Very few teams go with two central strikers these days. Everyone wants to copy Pep & Klopp in a 4-3-3. Heckingbottom quickly ditched two strikers, pushing Kamberi wide.

[HFC93]

I don’t think you can question Barker’s ability, he’s a fantastic player. His injury record does concern me though

[Speedway]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af86af803ce64f8a781a1eb/1526229759168/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+9.42.04+AM.png?format=750w

Barker had the 2nd most completed dribbles per game in 2017/18 and does not feature on the list of players who lost possession most often.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5af8f2a92b6a28d75239c8f3/1526264496259/Screen+Shot+2018-05-13+at+7.20.49+PM.png?format=750w

He was also 29th in the league for key passes per 90mins which are passes that lead to a chance. (ahead of both Mackay Steven and Jordan Jones)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5add632d365f02661263f497/t/5b1011edf950b7606d298711/1527779833461/Key+Passes.PNG?format=500w

Cool, there are over 10 signable players who are proven to be a better bet than Barker for creating chances in our league alone?

[jonny]

Another lump who'll kick, elbow and foul every minute, Aberdeen are really turning into an ugly dirty team.

Turning into? They're right up there with Hearts in that respect already.
Give up constant fouls to break up play then tend to score from set pieces or balls lumped into the box. Horrible football team - effective, but horrible.

[SHODAN]

Curtis Main will do well at Aberdeen.

[JimBHibees]

Curtis Main will do well at Aberdeen.

Wonder if that means Cosgrove on way out.

[Jones28]

Looks like we missed out on the mighty Curtis Main who is off to Aberdeen.

He absolutely reeks of Aberdeen

[HoboHarry]

Wonder if that means Cosgrove on way out.
Others will have seen more of Cosgrove than me but he looked an absolute camel on the occasions I did see him. No thanks for me....

[Stevie Reid]

Wonder if that means Cosgrove on way out.

Wouldn't surprise me, Jim. 21 goals this season will have grabbed the attention of a few down South.

[GloryGlory]

Others will have seen more of Cosgrove than me but he looked an absolute camel on the occasions I did see him. No thanks for me....

One hump or two?

[Malthibby]

Another lump who'll kick, elbow and foul every minute, Aberdeen are an ugly dirty team.

Fixed that for you......
GG

[HoboHarry]

One hump or two?
Would give me the ferkin hump if we signed him......

[Franck Stanton]

Re: Barker, I remember the same arguments being made about him when he was here last year about goal and assists, and I still find it infuriating now. I won't digress too much, but I think that 'assists' is a ridiculously simple metric that doesn't really take into account the nuances of football - it's perfectly possible for a player to be the primary creator of a goal, and not to be credited for an assist (and vice versa). If there were a 'chances created' tally available, I'd pay a bit more attention to that.

But the contribution of a player like Barker can't just be boiled down so simply anyway - four assists and two goals doesn't sound great, and is an easy way to deride him, but I know what I saw with my own eyes. A player like Barker can run a team ragged all day, and not have a crucial intervention in the creation of a goal - however, in terms of tiring out a full back, occupying more than one player and creating space for others - just plain wearing the opposition down - he still can (and did) play a huge part in winning games.

As an out ball he was excellent, and could get us up the park in seconds - he also had a good appetite for the game, despite receiving some rough treatment. But the main thing for me was just the fact that he was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for Hibs, he got me out of my seat by beating men time and again, usually at great speed. How could anyone not enjoy watching that? No player at our level is going to have an end product all of the time, but on the days that he doesn't, if I'm continually being entertained by his input into the game anyway, that will do for me.

I thought he was a joy to watch, and would love to see him back.


REALLY good post. Would only add comparison with Bartley , (ok I know different positions & Marv was def mid) , however the outpouring of love/gratitude towards him is immense in comparison to that afforded to Brandon who is a great " out-ball" & moves us further the field.

[JimBHibees]

Others will have seen more of Cosgrove than me but he looked an absolute camel on the occasions I did see him. No thanks for me....

Not suggesting for one minute we do think will mean interest from down south.

[JimBHibees]

Wouldn't surprise me, Jim. 21 goals this season will have grabbed the attention of a few down South.

Definitely. He better strike when the iron is hot as he ill be lucky to score 21 goals in the rest of his career. :greengrin

[MyJo]

What makes you think we’ll be playing 4-4-2 next season? Very few teams go with two central strikers these days. Everyone wants to copy Pep & Klopp in a 4-3-3. Heckingbottom quickly ditched two strikers, pushing Kamberi wide.

There has been a lot of talk of 442 being Hecky's preferred set up.

That is what he initially put in place when he came in until he realised we didn't have the players to pull it off, the way he wanted us to, successfully, and switched to putting Kamberi out wide.

He stuck with it because it was working for us and getting the results we needed with the players at his disposal.

He has allowed Bartley and Milligan to leave suggesting he doesn't intend to play with a dedicated defensive midfielder and looks like he has been trying to get Mallan to play more box to box rather than just as an attacking midfielder since he came in.

Both those things suggest to me that our midfielders will be expected to be more all-purpose players rather than having specific defensive/attacking roles which points to there being less in midfield than the 5 man set up we have been using with a defensive midfielder sitting deep and attacking midfielders/wingers in front of them.

Your maybe right and a Liverpool style 4-3-3 could be on the card as well but I'm just going with what we have been told about Hecky liking a good old 442

[ThomasAgyepong]

Have to say on paper Motherwell seem to be making decent signings. Hopefully that shows the state of the league at the minute.

Cadden situation is interesting. He’s certainly a player I wouldn’t mind coming in to see how he develops considering his age. Good competition for Boyle as well.

Great versatile player is Cadden. Can play Right Midfielder, Right Back, Centre Midfeilder and on a few occasions has played in a number 10 role.

[heretoday]

Honestly do we have any money?

Can we "bid" for players?

We used to.

[Heisenberg]

Honestly do we have any money?

Can we "bid" for players?

We used to.

Yes and yes. See our business last summer.

[Lago]

Honestly do we have any money?

Can we "bid" for players?

We used to.

Ah those were the days.

[The 90+2]

Great versatile player is Cadden. Can play Right Midfielder, Right Back, Centre Midfeilder and on a few occasions has played in a number 10 role.

Caddens behind the new guys in the Motherwell side. Turnbull is much better and he’s lost his position.

[MWHIBBIES]

Honestly do we have any money?

Can we "bid" for players?

We used to.
We payed fees last summer

[SHODAN]

This blog ("https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/columnist/why-hibs-should-try-and-pip-aberdeen-for-pavol-safranko/) reckons we should go for United's Pavol Safranko, who has been linked with Aberdeen. Some strike rate.

[southsider]

Would love to see how BB would fare played thru the middle supporting Marc. Get Deek in to coach him to finish the 1 v 1’s his pace would create.

[calumhibee1]

@Hibernianfans on Twitter reckon we’re going for a swap deal, Flo for Dylan..

[Blaster]

@Hibernianfans on Twitter reckon we’re going for a swap deal, Flo for Dylan..

Picked up from here then. 3 days later

[calumhibee1]

Picked up from here then. 3 days later

Whoops. I’ve not read a lot of the thread, apologies :greengrin

[jeffers]

@Hibernianfans on Twitter reckon we’re going for a swap deal, Flo for Dylan..

Hopefully not true

[04Sauzee]

Picked up from here then. 3 days later

Missed that on here, but the big who runs the Twitter account is a slaver

[SHODAN]

@Hibernianfans on Twitter reckon we’re going for a swap deal, Flo for Dylan..

Nah.

[Blaster]

Whoops. I’ve not read a lot of the thread, apologies :greengrin

No need for apologies mate

[Unseen work]

Picked up from here then. 3 days later

Was this on the members board? Not seen it anywhere

Fwiw I would be disappointed with Flo leaving as he showed last season he is a great player on his day.

Would Dylan suit what Heckingbottom wants? Pace, physicality and athleticism? Where would that leave Mallan and Allan? It would be a great midfield 3 for keeping the ball and creating chances but not at defending.

I can’t see us playing those 3 in the middle together based on what Heckingbottom has said.

I saw someone reply to the tweet saying the reason Flo fell out with Lennon was as he wanted to come out as openly gay but Lennon wasn’t supportive I imagine that is absolute nonsense.

[The 90+2]

Didn’t sunderland want Flo’ last season? McGeough would be a no brainier for me if we could get him. I’ve a feeling Kamberi will be leaving regardless.

[Blaster]

Was this on the members board? Not seen it anywhere

Fwiw I would be disappointed with Flo leaving as he showed last season he is a great player on his day.

Would Dylan suit what Heckingbottom wants? Pace, physicality and athleticism? Where would that leave Mallan and Allan? It would be a great midfield 3 for keeping the ball and creating chances but not at defending.

I can’t see us playing those 3 in the middle together based on what Heckingbottom has said.

I saw someone reply to the tweet saying the reason Flo fell out with Lennon was as he wanted to come out as openly gay but Lennon wasn’t supportive I imagine that is absolute nonsense.

I think brooster asked the question on this thread on Monday regarding the possibility and folks thoughts

[hfc rd]

Didn’t sunderland want Flo’ last season? McGeough would be a no brainier for me if we could get him. I’ve a feeling Kamberi will be leaving regardless.



Yep, Jack Ross tried to hijack the deal and take Flo to Sunderland instead

[Stevie Reid]

I wouldn't object to that swap.

[Smartie]

Was this on the members board? Not seen it anywhere

Fwiw I would be disappointed with Flo leaving as he showed last season he is a great player on his day.

Would Dylan suit what Heckingbottom wants? Pace, physicality and athleticism? Where would that leave Mallan and Allan? It would be a great midfield 3 for keeping the ball and creating chances but not at defending.

I can’t see us playing those 3 in the middle together based on what Heckingbottom has said.

I saw someone reply to the tweet saying the reason Flo fell out with Lennon was as he wanted to come out as openly gay but Lennon wasn’t supportive I imagine that is absolute nonsense.

I can't see Mallan and Allan playing in the same team irrespective of who the other players are.

I could see one or the other working fine with Dylan.

[The 90+2]

I can't see Mallan and Allan playing in the same team irrespective of who the other players are.

I could see one or the other working fine with Dylan.

I don’t think Mallan will be a first team player next season.

[Lago]

I wouldn't object to that swap.

I would!!

[J-C]

Mallan has improved a lot since he came, hes more physical and looks a lot fitter and faster, a good pre season and he can only get better, him and Allan with a mobile quick DM sitting just behind them would do me.

[Bostonhibby]

Yep, Jack Ross tried to hijack the deal and take Flo to Sunderland insteadJack Ross heard about the abundance of seagulls at Easter Road and a couple of days later he was hanging about the stadium with bags of chips and a giant net.



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[coldingham hibs]

Not read the whole thread but I heard Lawrence Shankland was signing. No idea if this is correct but apparently the person who passed it on claimed it was from a good source.

[PatHead]

Was this on the members board? Not seen it anywhere

Fwiw I would be disappointed with Flo leaving as he showed last season he is a great player on his day.

Would Dylan suit what Heckingbottom wants? Pace, physicality and athleticism? Where would that leave Mallan and Allan? It would be a great midfield 3 for keeping the ball and creating chances but not at defending.

I can’t see us playing those 3 in the middle together based on what Heckingbottom has said.

I saw someone reply to the tweet saying the reason Flo fell out with Lennon was as he wanted to come out as openly gay but Lennon wasn’t supportive I imagine that is absolute nonsense.
The girl in my office who is going out with him will be shocked!

[Paisley Hibby]

Was this on the members board? Not seen it anywhere

Fwiw I would be disappointed with Flo leaving as he showed last season he is a great player on his day.

Would Dylan suit what Heckingbottom wants? Pace, physicality and athleticism? Where would that leave Mallan and Allan? It would be a great midfield 3 for keeping the ball and creating chances but not at defending.

I can’t see us playing those 3 in the middle together based on what Heckingbottom has said.

I saw someone reply to the tweet saying the reason Flo fell out with Lennon was as he wanted to come out as openly gay but Lennon wasn’t supportive I imagine that is absolute nonsense.
So why post that if you imagine it's nonsense? (And I'd bet it is nonsense by the way)

[archiebald]

I don’t think Mallan will be a first team player next season.

Think he will be

[HoboHarry]

Not even June and this thread is already a hoot. Going to be a deep mine of made up rubbish by the time the window ends :faf::faf:

[Unseen work]

The girl in my office who is going out with him will be shocked!

As I thought then!

Lucky woman having big Flo