Summer 2019 transfer thread

[J-C]

Polishing a turd might be better than repeatedly sucking it up and gobbing it over everyone.

Now there's a vision I don't want in my head.

[Percy Vere]

But forget the league cup games - all against lower league teams. One narrow win, a lucky draw and two heavy defeats in the league offer a more accurate picture.

So you’re judging this squad and the manager on a whole four games then? Plus injuries and players returning from injury. Plus new players who’ve hardly kicked a ball. And let’s not discount that we’ve reached the quarter finals of the league cup. Cos if we hadn’t qualified you’d be adding that to the litany of failure! Get a grip and support your team. If it’s crap in another 8 games I’ll agree with you. But for now I’m backing my team to come good. And give players and P.H. my support.

[calumhibee1]

So you’re judging this squad and the manager on a whole four games then? Plus injuries and players returning from injury. Plus new players who’ve hardly kicked a ball. And let’s not discount that we’ve reached the quarter finals of the league cup. Cos if we hadn’t qualified you’d be adding that to the litany of failure! Get a grip and support your team. If it’s crap in another 8 games I’ll agree with you. But for now I’m backing my team to come good. And give players and P.H. my support.

:agree:

Bang on. The league cup games for some are only of any relevance if it’s to give the club a kicking.

[bingo70]

So you’re judging this squad and the manager on a whole four games then? Plus injuries and players returning from injury. Plus new players who’ve hardly kicked a ball. And let’s not discount that we’ve reached the quarter finals of the league cup. Cos if we hadn’t qualified you’d be adding that to the litany of failure! Get a grip and support your team. If it’s crap in another 8 games I’ll agree with you. But for now I’m backing my team to come good. And give players and P.H. my support.

Fair play to you for staying positive, I hope you end up being right.

Can I ask how you think it’ll pan out? Do you think he’ll turn this around?

I’ve said for a while it was too early to sack him but I didn’t think he’d turn it around. His failure to address the obvious issues in our squad yesterday tipped me over the edge as I personally don’t think there’s any way he’s salvaging the situation with this squad.

[bingo70]

:agree:

Bang on. The league cup games for some are only of any relevance if it’s to give the club a kicking.

I don’t think you can take anything positive about the performances in the league cup, it was the very definition of a no win group for the manager, and quite rightly so to an extent. If you beat a bunch of amateur or semi professional sides that’s not deserving of praise, it should be a given, likewise if you struggle in those games it’s deserving of criticism. To need penalties to beat Stirling Albion and extra time to beat Morton is going to add to peoples negative opinion on the team, even if the end result was getting through to the next round.

[green with envy]

And Butcher came in because the fans hounded Fenlon out, lots of that was based on a couple of dreadful results which only happened by him getting some good results and being in a Cup Final and Europe. I wonder what fans would think of Heck if he had came in and continued or slightly improved the appalling run we were on under Lennon rather than transforming our league season and getting a top six position.. Bizarrely they may have been less critical just as they may have been if Fenlon had not got to that Cup Final. I have no issue saying we have made a poor start but he hasn't failed at Hibs yet and should not be subjected to the ridicule, some of which is personal like ripping his accent etc, that he has. He definitely needs to turn it round in the next month or two but if fans hound him out now we may get worse and Heck will not have had a chance.

So far Heck was successful in his first part season, is being successful in the cup and has had a poor/mediocre start in the league but still has 29/35 games to make up the 3 points that would see a successful season or the 4 points that would see a very good one. Yes, there have been poor performances but there has also been lots of injuries. I don't think he helps himself at times. Going two up top when losing and down to 10 men at Ibrox was cavalier and not playing Vela when we needed some stability at Fir Park seemed odd. However, who knows if Vela was fully fit and the fans are constantly telling him to go for it against the Uglies so it's a bit rich moaning so much when he does.

He needs to get the team playing better and the players working as a unit but the level of abuse is ridiculous. Give him the chance to fail before sacking him and who knows he might turn it round. The gloom and despondency in the support can't help and for all those that hailed Lennon as being a winnermany of those supporters see it as a fait a complet we will lose all future games.

If Fenlon was hounded out it was due to poor performances, bad decision makings and poor signings and a couple of the most embarrassing hammerings that had been witnessed in the recent history of oor club. FWIW, I wasn't one of them, just as i'm not hounding Heckingbottom out, but i'd be happy if he was to go. Apart from one game last season, i've attended every one of his games inc all friendlies since his tenure but it's only since the ST Johnstone game that I've let my frustrations get the better of me and have came to the conclusion that he doesn't have a clue how to set up this particular team, far to many changes and he didn't even have the confidence to bring on his biggest signing Doidge on Saturday, preferring on bringing Shaw that he doesn't even want. I could give you more examples as to why I believe he is incompetent but for now I better get back to work.

[DetroitHibs]

So you’re judging this squad and the manager on a whole four games then? Plus injuries and players returning from injury. Plus new players who’ve hardly kicked a ball. And let’s not discount that we’ve reached the quarter finals of the league cup. Cos if we hadn’t qualified you’d be adding that to the litany of failure! Get a grip and support your team. If it’s crap in another 8 games I’ll agree with you. But for now I’m backing my team to come good. And give players and P.H. my support.

How about judging it on the absolute roasting we just took from Motherwell. That wasn’t an unfortunate defeat or even a close game. They absolutely pumped us with probably about half the budget we have.

[SMAXXA]

How about judging it on the absolute roasting we just took from Motherwell. That wasn’t an unfortunate defeat or even a close game. They absolutely pumped us with probably about half the budget we have.

Never pumped us first half we were the better team not that you get anything for that but it’s true

[B.H.F.C]

Never pumped us first half we were the better team not that you get anything for that but it’s true

Were we? In what way?

We were in the game but we showed a lack of quality defensively and were pretty toothless up front despite creating a few openings. Not be the last time we say that, especially about the defensive side.

[Captain Trips]

Since start of season there have been a fair percentage of games we have not looked good in. This is a concern for some.

[Keith_M]

I thought this was a thread about new signings?

:confused:

[DetroitHibs]

Never pumped us first half we were the better team not that you get anything for that but it’s true

Bottom line is they pumped us 3-0 and deserved that scoreline, Rocky actually kept the scoreline down.

[green with envy]

Never pumped us first half we were the better team not that you get anything for that but it’s true

Have you just said that - What game were you watching?

Apart from dominating the midfield, Motherwell were streets ahead of us and they should have been 1-0 up after inside a minute. Marciano had another couple of decent saves and their shot that scraped the outside of the post in the first half should also have been a goal, all this in the first half. We had one effort when Kamberi turned the defender but shot weakly.

[Blaster]

Have you just said that - What game were you watching?

Apart from dominating the midfield, Motherwell were streets ahead of us and they should have been 1-0 up after inside a minute. Marciano had another couple of decent saves and their shot that scraped the outside of the post in the first half should also have been a goal, all this in the first half. We had one effort when Kamberi turned the defender but shot weakly.

I thought we just edged the first half up until they scored

Kamberi shot early doors
Slivka shot not long after
(Neither on the BBC highlights by the way)
Mallan free kick
Middleton shot (when he should have put Kamberi clean through)

They had 2 good chances too though before they scored

Agree with how crap we were afterwards.

[green with envy]

I thought we just edged the first half up until they scored

Kamberi shot early doors
Slivka shot not long after
(Neither on the BBC highlights by the way)
Mallan free kick
Middleton shot (when he should have put Kamberi clean through)

They had 2 good chances too though before they scored

Agree with how crap we were afterwards.

Motherwell's were really good chances Slivka's shot hit a defender, Mallan's free kick was a poor attempt and neither looked like scoring, their keeper had one straight forward save to make (Kamberi) not only from the first half but all of the game and as already said they dominated possession throughout. A fair reflection on a final score could have been 5-1 to Motherwell. Seems to me you're trying to point score.

[SquashedFrogg]

Since start of season there have been a fair percentage of games we have not looked good in. This is a concern for some.

Same as last season. Maybe we just like to keep things interesting?

[Blaster]

Motherwell's were really good chances Slivka's shot hit a defender, Mallan's free kick was a poor attempt and neither looked like scoring, their keeper had one straight forward save to make (Kamberi) not only from the first half but all of the game and as already said they dominated possession throughout. A fair reflection on a final score could have been 5-1 to Motherwell. Seems to me you're trying to point score.

Trying to point score 😂😂. Just giving my view of the first half pal. Don’t disagree with the final score part but point score......😂😂

[green with envy]

Trying to point score 😂😂. Just giving my view of the first half pal. Don’t disagree with the final score part but point score......😂😂

Okay, clutching at straws then.:wink:

[Blaster]

Okay, clutching at straws then.:wink:

That’s definitely a possibility 😄

[calumhibee1]

I don’t think you can take anything positive about the performances in the league cup, it was the very definition of a no win group for the manager, and quite rightly so to an extent. If you beat a bunch of amateur or semi professional sides that’s not deserving of praise, it should be a given, likewise if you struggle in those games it’s deserving of criticism. To need penalties to beat Stirling Albion and extra time to beat Morton is going to add to peoples negative opinion on the team, even if the end result was getting through to the next round.

And then we beat St Mirren - deservedly may I add - and people started claiming we didn’t deserve that etc.

Basically, if Hibs get a positive result then it’ll be shot down as being nothing to write home about or even twisted to be a negative. Beat teams who our budget dwarfs? Doesn’t count. Get beat by a team who’s budget dwarfs ours? You can bet your ass that matters.

PH doesn’t stand a chance of succeeding at Hibs when fans will find any reason to turn any good he does round into something undeserving of praise.

We’re a game away from Hampden and there’s some who probably don’t even see that as a positive.

There’s even folk who are adamant we’re going to get horsed at home off a Hearts team who have started the season worse than us. Why? Because it allows them to stick the boot into Hibs. Not even forecasting a tight game or a tight defeat, people forecasting a full blown doing. It would be pretty funny if it wasn’t so sad.

[Since452]

And then we beat St Mirren - deservedly may I add - and people started claiming we didn’t deserve that etc.

Basically, if Hibs get a positive result then it’ll be shot down as being nothing to write home about or even twisted to be a negative. Beat teams who our budget dwarfs? Doesn’t count. Get beat by a team who’s budget dwarfs ours? You can bet your ass that matters.

PH doesn’t stand a chance of succeeding at Hibs when fans will find any reason to turn any good he does round into something undeserving of praise.

We’re a game away from Hampden and there’s some who probably don’t even see that as a positive.

There’s even folk who are adamant we’re going to get horsed at home off a Hearts team who have started the season worse than us. Why? Because it allows them to stick the boot into Hibs. Not even forecasting a tight game or a tight defeat, people forecasting a full blown doing.

Exactly. If we beat Killie a week on Saturday it'll be "papering over the cracks". Win the derby and it'll be "worst Hearts team in years so we should beat them". Get to Hampden and it'll be "easiest route we could get" etc. Lose any of these and there will be a witch hunt for the manager. Unfortunately a lot of people's minds are made up now and nothing will change it. Hecky won't win.

[The Modfather]

And then we beat St Mirren - deservedly may I add - and people started claiming we didn’t deserve that etc.

Basically, if Hibs get a positive result then it’ll be shot down as being nothing to write home about or even twisted to be a negative. Beat teams who our budget dwarfs? Doesn’t count. Get beat by a team who’s budget dwarfs ours? You can bet your ass that matters.

PH doesn’t stand a chance of succeeding at Hibs when fans will find any reason to turn any good he does round into something undeserving of praise.

We’re a game away from Hampden and there’s some who probably don’t even see that as a positive.

There’s even folk who are adamant we’re going to get horsed at home off a Hearts team who have started the season worse than us. Why? Because it allows them to stick the boot into Hibs. Not even forecasting a tight game or a tight defeat, people forecasting a full blown doing.

Is the current scenario any different to last season? You were, rightly so IMO, very vocal about the gaps in the squad and that the European results, and the fact we still had McGinn - who looked set to leave, were papering over a whole lot of cracks. Now you seem to have gone 180 and can’t see the concerns we all have based on what we are watching and the glaring deficiencies in the squad.

What’s different now from this same point last season?

[calumhibee1]

Exactly. If we beat Killie a week on Saturday it'll be "papering over the cracks". Win the derby and it'll be "worst Hearts team in years so we should beat them". Get to Hampden and it'll be "easiest route we could get" etc. Unfortunately a lot of people's minds are made up now and nothing will change it. Hecky won't win.

:agree:

I can fully accept people wanting him out. It’s the personal insults and twisting of things that’s annoyed the life out me like claiming we didn’t actually beat Morton (you can tell people hate saying that we won that one because they always have to bring up that it went to ET, it’s a begrudging acceptance that we did infact win), or they conveniently forget that we hit the post twice, missed two open goals, two one on ones and had a perfectly good goal ruled out for offside against St Mirren.. yet apparently the two half chances St Mirren had evens things up and makes them worthy of a point.

[B.H.F.C]

And then we beat St Mirren - deservedly may I add - and people started claiming we didn’t deserve that etc.

Basically, if Hibs get a positive result then it’ll be shot down as being nothing to write home about or even twisted to be a negative. Beat teams who our budget dwarfs? Doesn’t count. Get beat by a team who’s budget dwarfs ours? You can bet your ass that matters.

PH doesn’t stand a chance of succeeding at Hibs when fans will find any reason to turn any good he does round into something undeserving of praise.

We’re a game away from Hampden and there’s some who probably don’t even see that as a positive.

There’s even folk who are adamant we’re going to get horsed at home off a Hearts team who have started the season worse than us. Why? Because it allows them to stick the boot into Hibs. Not even forecasting a tight game or a tight defeat, people forecasting a full blown doing.

You’re taking this idea that everybody wants to be negative and simply have it in for PH way too far.

There is one thing, and one thing only, that is prompting it and that’s what we are seeing on the pitch. There was an element of negativity prior to the Rangers game but most people, despite having their doubts, were able to accept that we’d done what we should have done. Since the Rangers game, there hasn’t really been anything to be positive about.

We haven’t achieved a single thing this season that we shouldn’t have achieved whereas there are some things happening that shouldn’t be. When he starts to reverse that trend, people may be more positive towards him and the team.

[calumhibee1]

Is the current scenario any different to last season? You were, rightly so IMO, very vocal about the gaps in the squad and that the European results, and the fact we still had McGinn - who looked set to leave, were papering over a whole lot of cracks. Now you seem to have gone 180 and can’t see the concerns we all have based on what we are watching and the glaring deficiencies in the squad.

What’s different now from this same point last season?

If you can find me point blank refusing to accept that we won games or claiming that in games where we could have scored 4 or 5 that we didn’t deserve to win then I’d love to see it. Or claiming that the team joint bottom of the league would come to ER and give us a pasting.

Like i said in my post above, I can accept people wanting a change. It’s not been great at all so far this season. But when people start claiming we didn’t deserve to win games we blatantly did or refusing to accept we won games that we did then that’s a totally different story.

[JimBHibees]

Is the current scenario any different to last season? You were, rightly so IMO, very vocal about the gaps in the squad and that the European results, and the fact we still had McGinn - who looked set to leave, were papering over a whole lot of cracks. Now you seem to have gone 180 and can’t see the concerns we all have based on what we are watching and the glaring deficiencies in the squad.

What’s different now from this same point last season?

Difference being we were playing much better last season.

[JimBHibees]

You’re taking this idea that everybody wants to be negative and simply have it in for PH way too far.

There is one thing, and one thing only, that is prompting it and that’s what we are seeing on the pitch. There was an element of negativity prior to the Rangers game but most people, despite having their doubts, were able to accept that we’d done what we should have done. Since the Rangers game, there hasn’t really been anything to be positive about.

We haven’t achieved a single thing this season that we shouldn’t have achieved whereas there are some things happening that shouldn’t be. When he starts to reverse that trend, people may be more positive towards him and the team.

A quick change would be some players busting a gut and improving performances as a team.

[calumhibee1]

You’re taking this idea that everybody wants to be negative and simply have it in for PH way too far.

There is one thing, and one thing only, that is prompting it and that’s what we are seeing on the pitch. There was an element of negativity prior to the Rangers game but most people, despite having their doubts, were able to accept that we’d done what we should have done. Since the Rangers game, there hasn’t really been anything to be positive about.

We haven’t achieved a single thing this season that we shouldn’t have achieved whereas there are some things happening that shouldn’t be. When he starts to reverse that trend, people may be more positive towards him and the team.

Do you disagree about the St Mirren game? Or the whole “we didn’t beat Morton” shan patter after that game? Or the “we’re going to get skelped off the side joint bottom of the league by 3 or 4 goals” *****? That’s folk who are desperate to stick the boot in that much that they’re making things up to be able to do so.

[Wilson]

Exactly. If we beat Killie a week on Saturday it'll be "papering over the cracks". Win the derby and it'll be "worst Hearts team in years so we should beat them". Get to Hampden and it'll be "easiest route we could get" etc. Unfortunately a lot of people's minds are made up now and nothing will change it. Hecky won't win.

You two are blasting people for forecasting results and then forecasting results and reactions yourselves. I don't think anyone ever takes derby wins lightly. Not with our record in them.

There is enough ammunition against Hecky with the style and performance in games we have had. It must suit you to throw conjecture about future games into the mix to muddy the waters. If we beat Killie and if we beat Hearts? These games are yet to be played so can't help either argument.

[calumhibee1]

You two are blasting people for forecasting results and then forecasting results and reactions yourselves. I don't think anyone ever takes derby wins lightly. Not with our record in them.

There is enough ammunition against Hecky with the style and performance in games we have had. It must suit you to throw conjecture about future games into the mix to muddy the waters. If we beat Killie and if we beat Hearts? These games are yet to be played so can't help either argument.

Where have I forecast any results? :confused:

[Since452]

:agree:

I can fully accept people wanting him out. It’s the personal insults and twisting of things that’s annoyed the life out me like claiming we didn’t actually beat Morton (you can tell people hate saying that we won that one because they always have to bring up that it went to ET, it’s a begrudging acceptance that we did infact win), or they conveniently forget that we hit the post twice, missed two open goals, two one on ones and had a perfectly good goal ruled out for offside against St Mirren.. yet apparently the two half chances St Mirren had evens things up and makes them worthy of a point.

The personal insults are just cringey. The man is in there working his bollocks off away from his family trying to get this right. I've no doubt he's giving it everything. He's been unlucky in some respects with the sending off at Ibrox when we were right in the game and conceding a goal with the last kick of the game against St Johnstone. I was at Fir Park on Saturday and though the better team went in at half time behind. We then lost a daft penalty and the 3rd goal is academic. It's all fine margins. We aren't as bad as people would have you believe. He's getting a harder time than Lennon ever got during his 1 win in 16 or whatever it was. Quite sad.

[SMAXXA]

The personal insults are just cringey. The man is in there working his bollocks off away from his family trying to get this right. I've no doubt he's giving it everything. He's been unlucky in some respects with the sending off at Ibrox when we were right in the game and conceding a goal with the last kick of the game against St Johnstone. I was at Fir Park on Saturday and though the better team went in at half time behind. We then lost a daft penalty and the 3rd goal is academic. It's all fine margins. We aren't as bad as people would have you believe. He's getting a harder time than Lennon ever got during his 1 win in 16 or whatever it was. Quite sad.

👍👍

[B.H.F.C]

Do you disagree about the St Mirren game? Or the whole “we didn’t beat Morton” shan patter after that game? Or the “we’re going to get skelped off the side joint bottom of the league by 3 or 4 goals” *****? That’s folk who are desperate to stick the boot in that much that they’re making things up to be able to do so.

I think we deserved to beat St Mirren, yes. I also expected us to beat them but no criticism from me on that one.

We got through the Morton tie, again which was expected. I thought it was worrying that we couldn’t beat a championship team in 90 minutes, but eventually we did what I expected us to do.

What I don’t expect to see is what I’ve see in the last three league games. I think it’s completely unacceptable and when you add in the back end of last season a lot of the criticism is entirely justified.

As I say, there is one way to stop the criticism. It really ramped up after Ibrox and, unfortunately, they’ve given plenty ammunition for further criticism.

[calumhibee1]

I think we deserved to beat St Mirren, yes. I also expected us to beat them but no criticism from me on that one.

We got through the Morton tie, again which was expected. I thought it was worrying that we couldn’t beat a championship team in 90 minutes, but eventually we did what I expected us to do.

What I don’t expect to see is what I’ve see in the last three league games. I think it’s completely unacceptable and when you add in the back end of last season a lot of the criticism is entirely justified.

As I say, there is one way to stop the criticism. It really ramped up after Ibrox and, unfortunately, they’ve given plenty ammunition for further criticism.

A lot of the criticism is justified, I’m not going to debate that. We’ve been poor at times. It’s the selectiveness of some when they want to lose their **** at a defeat to a team who can spend £7m on a winger but can’t give any form of praise when we deservedly beat a team in our league like St Mirren or can’t even bring themselves to acknowledge that we won the game against Morton. Hibs fans determined to claim that Hibs didn’t win a game that we won. It’s mental.

The majority of posters have posted valid concerns but there’s definitely some who seem to be competing to be the most outraged and are making up absolute nonsense to be able to do so. An imminent 4-0 home defeat to joint bottom of the league Hearts being right up there with the best.

[blackpoolhibs]

:agree:

It’s become a competition to show how terrified/pissed off you are.

A lot like you last season under Lennon.

[SMAXXA]

Nelom signs for Willem II

[Percy Vere]

Fair play to you for staying positive, I hope you end up being right.

Can I ask how you think it’ll pan out? Do you think he’ll turn this around?

I’ve said for a while it was too early to sack him but I didn’t think he’d turn it around. His failure to address the obvious issues in our squad yesterday tipped me over the edge as I personally don’t think there’s any way he’s salvaging the situation with this squad.

Hi mate
I understand feeling despondent. It’s not been great, but like I said in my post I reckon there have been extenuating circumstances which have made Heck’s job more difficult. Not even got into the transfer budget where it seems he now can’t being in without another going out. So yeah dm and striker still required. Who knows who is availing a free if he’s allowed.
I’ve iften wondered about Hanlon moving to that dm position. Who knows.
Doidge still to come good but not starting as Kamberi in form.
I just don’t want to see knee jerk reactions and we end up worse off.
The players seem to like him, I just think he needs the support of Hibs fans as he’s there to do a difficult job. It’s no easy!

[calumhibee1]

A lot like you last season under Lennon.

There he is, right on cue. Must have got a notification that I’d posted.

If you can find me point blank refusing to believe we won a game that we won last season, claiming we didn’t deserve to win a game where the other side had a couple half chances while we could easily have scored 3 or 4 or that we were going to get absolutely leathered off bottom of the league at home then your point would be valid. As I said in my post earlier in the thread, they’re the ones that are competing to be the most outraged and making up absolute nonsense to allow them to do it. Not everyone, but there’s certainly a few.

[Percy Vere]

I don’t think you can take anything positive about the performances in the league cup, it was the very definition of a no win group for the manager, and quite rightly so to an extent. If you beat a bunch of amateur or semi professional sides that’s not deserving of praise, it should be a given, likewise if you struggle in those games it’s deserving of criticism. To need penalties to beat Stirling Albion and extra time to beat Morton is going to add to peoples negative opinion on the team, even if the end result was getting through to the next round.

Lots of Premier League teams required extra time and penalties not just us.

[The 90+2]

Lots of Premier League teams required extra time and penalties not just us.

Stirling haven’t got a point this season and got pumped the rest of their games having taken us to penalties in the cup. There’s no excuse for that.

[Percy Vere]

How about judging it on the absolute roasting we just took from Motherwell. That wasn’t an unfortunate defeat or even a close game. They absolutely pumped us with probably about half the budget we have.

One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
Unlike you I don’t judge teams or players on one or two bad results.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Stirling haven’t got a point this season and got pumped the rest of their games having taken us to penalties in the cup. There’s no excuse for that.



but..but... we were gelling

[Lewiehas2]

The personal insults are just cringey. The man is in there working his bollocks off away from his family trying to get this right. I've no doubt he's giving it everything. He's been unlucky in some respects with the sending off at Ibrox when we were right in the game and conceding a goal with the last kick of the game against St Johnstone. I was at Fir Park on Saturday and though the better team went in at half time behind. We then lost a daft penalty and the 3rd goal is academic. It's all fine margins. We aren't as bad as people would have you believe. He's getting a harder time than Lennon ever got during his 1 win in 16 or whatever it was. Quite sad.

Spot on mate

[Iggy Pope]

What on earth are you on about?

It’s really pretty clear you know.
1. You gave us a negative (albeit an extraordinary one given our exploits in winning the Scottish Cup) and Hermit agreed cos that’s what he eagerly does and signs his posts that way.

2. Dundee Utd won no cup and no medals after ‘tearing us apart’.

That better? You did ask.

[Smartie]

Stirling haven’t got a point this season and got pumped the rest of their games having taken us to penalties in the cup. There’s no excuse for that.


but..but... we were gelling

But we were.

That game, taken in isolation, is excusable.

Our first game, lots of new players, mid summer, weird atmosphere etc etc.

Taken with the context of other poor performances and repeat mistakes, it becomes much less excusable.

My biggest bugbear this season over the piece is that we've not played well against some poor sides. The 2 Saints teams at home are not great in Premier League terms, Arbroath, Alloa, Stirling Albion, Morton, Elgin - not great sides.

Motherwell are half decent, Rangers are good and we've been cuffed by them.

Even though its early on, it gives me the impression we're behind where we need and want to be.

[blackpoolhibs]

There he is, right on cue. Must have got a notification that I’d posted.

If you can find me point blank refusing to believe we won a game that we won last season, claiming we didn’t deserve to win a game where the other side had a couple half chances while we could easily have scored 3 or 4 or that we were going to get absolutely leathered off bottom of the league at home then your point would be valid. As I said in my post earlier in the thread, they’re the ones that are competing to be the most outraged and making up absolute nonsense to allow them to do it. Not everyone, but there’s certainly a few.

I can find plenty of your posts last summer bemoaning our lack of signings, how the team was unbalanced and we were a poor side, even though we were winning and were sitting 4th maybe even 3rd after the first round of games.

Forward a year, and there are lame excuses why we are losing and playing poor, yet none afforded when we did lose games or played poorly.

Contradictions all over the place, but you already know that backed up into that corner you are in dont you? :faf:

[calumhibee1]

I can find plenty of your posts last summer bemoaning our lack of signings, how the team was unbalanced and we were a poor side, even though we were winning and were sitting 4th maybe even 3rd after the first round of games.

Forward a year, and there are lame excuses why we are losing and playing poor, yet none afforded when we did lose games or played poorly.

Contradictions all over the place, but you already know that backed up into that corner you are in dont you? :faf:

So when you said “just like you with NL last year” it was nothing like me with NL last year. Understood. That would have been much quicker than your long winded tosh. :aok:

You’re making yourself look silly following me around the place. Other posters have called you out on it as well. Take a day off. It’s tedious, as others have told you.. Will maybe do you some good.

[blackpoolhibs]

So when you said “just like you with NL last year” it was nothing like me with NL last year. Understood. That would have been much quicker than your long winded tosh. :aok:

You’re making yourself look silly following me around the place. Other posters have called you out on it as well. Take a day off. Will maybe do you some good.

I never mentioned NL, i mentioned you and your moaning about the the way our team were playing despite them winning, but now you are finding lame excuses because we are losing when none were afforded last season.

More faces than the town hall clock.

[calumhibee1]

I never mentioned NL, i mentioned you and your moaning about the the way our team were playing despite them winning, but now you are finding lame excuses because we are losing when none were afforded last season.

More faces than the town hall clock.

:faf:

“A lot like you under Lennon.”

Aye, you’re right. No mention of Lennon. Silly me.

Geez peace now. And everyone else on the forum. Your hounding me is boring us all. It’s that desperate that you can’t remember what you said 5 mins ago but you have notes on what I said last summer.

[HoboHarry]

Can you two set up your own exclusive thread or get a room FFS?

[calumhibee1]

Can you two set up your own exclusive thread or get a room FFS?

Apologies. I’m out with regards to that conversation :aok:

[Iggy Pope]

Can you two set up your own exclusive thread or get a room FFS?

Debating is allowed surely? We have plenty to go on.

[sadtom]

The personal insults are just cringey. The man is in there working his bollocks off away from his family trying to get this right. I've no doubt he's giving it everything. He's been unlucky in some respects with the sending off at Ibrox when we were right in the game and conceding a goal with the last kick of the game against St Johnstone. I was at Fir Park on Saturday and though the better team went in at half time behind. We then lost a daft penalty and the 3rd goal is academic. It's all fine margins. We aren't as bad as people would have you believe. He's getting a harder time than Lennon ever got during his 1 win in 16 or whatever it was. Quite sad.

It was 2 league wins out of 14 for NL. For 2 years he had been doing the biz and over the peace we were pretty good to watch.
PH is now 1 league win in 10. He had a decent run of results to begin with against the bottom sides. Even then the style was poor...and getting worse. Lennon earned the right to turn it round as he showed he could do a good job over the previous 2 seasons.
PH has shown nothing like it and has earned hee haw. The football is garbage to watch.

[SMAXXA]

It was 2 league wins out of 14 for NL. For 2 years he had been doing the biz and over the peace we were pretty good to watch.
PH is now 1 league win in 10. He had a decent run of results to begin with against the bottom sides. Even then the style was poor...and getting worse. Lennon earned the right to turn it round as he showed he could do a good job over the previous 2 seasons.
PH has shown nothing like it and has earned hee haw. The football is garbage to watch.

I don’t think it’s fair to combine last seasons with this seasons as it wasn't his team, it was the same underachieving team NL had and was getting frustrated with. Judge the man on this season not saying that changes the messaging but surly got to judge him on his own team, plenty signings to make a case for that. He came in and had a thread bare squad last season mind decimated with injuries.

[Brightside]

Apologies. I’m out with regards to that conversation :aok:

It would be easier if you put each other on ignore. It does actually help.

[Marvellous]

The personal insults are just cringey. The man is in there working his bollocks off away from his family trying to get this right. I've no doubt he's giving it everything. He's been unlucky in some respects with the sending off at Ibrox when we were right in the game and conceding a goal with the last kick of the game against St Johnstone. I was at Fir Park on Saturday and though the better team went in at half time behind. We then lost a daft penalty and the 3rd goal is academic. It's all fine margins. We aren't as bad as people would have you believe. He's getting a harder time than Lennon ever got during his 1 win in 16 or whatever it was. Quite sad.

Well said.

[ancient hibee]

I don’t think it’s fair to combine last seasons with this seasons as it wasn't his team, it was the same underachieving team NL had and was getting frustrated with. Judge the man on this season not saying that changes the messaging but surly got to judge him on his own team, plenty signings to make a case for that. He came in and had a thread bare squad last season mind decimated with injuries.

He doesn't seem to want to play the players he's brought in.Why is that do you think? I think it's because despite the number of games played he hasn't got a clue what he wants to do with the team which is the biggest failure a manager can have.

[The 90+2]

He doesn't seem to want to play the players he's brought in.Why is that do you think? I think it's because despite the number of games played he hasn't got a clue what he wants to do with the team which is the biggest failure a manager can have.

Yeah, this is part of the huge disappointment for me, when the players came in early I was hopeful they came in to do specific roles in a team Hecky wanted us to play as. As it turns out he’s no clue how to okay any of them and it’s the most disjointed the team has looked since relegation.

[SMAXXA]

He doesn't seem to want to play the players he's brought in.Why is that do you think? I think it's because despite the number of games played he hasn't got a clue what he wants to do with the team which is the biggest failure a manager can have.

I’ve no idea mate that’s the baffling thing or one of them for me, don’t think he has any clue what his best team is. To have so many new signings on the bench Saturday was crazy and to put shaw on instead of others options when he’s hardly kicked a ball is strange imo. Also not using it as game time once the game was done for to make more changes was also strange again just my opinion

[One Day Soon]

The personal insults are just cringey. The man is in there working his bollocks off away from his family trying to get this right. I've no doubt he's giving it everything. He's been unlucky in some respects with the sending off at Ibrox when we were right in the game and conceding a goal with the last kick of the game against St Johnstone. I was at Fir Park on Saturday and though the better team went in at half time behind. We then lost a daft penalty and the 3rd goal is academic. It's all fine margins. We aren't as bad as people would have you believe. He's getting a harder time than Lennon ever got during his 1 win in 16 or whatever it was. Quite sad.


There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

[The 90+2]

There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

Summed up passionately and perfectly imo 👍

[SquashedFrogg]

There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

All in your opinion of course.

[One Day Soon]

All in your opinion of course.

Yes, that's generally how it works isn't it? The evidence to support it all is mounting and ugly though.

[SMAXXA]

Yes, that's generally how it works isn't it? The evidence to support it all is mounting and ugly though.

How do you know the players don’t take him seriously as that’s not the case of the ones I’ve spoken to

[calumhibee1]

How do you know the players don’t take him seriously as that’s not the case of the ones I’ve spoken to

It’s certainly not something that I’ve heard either.

[One Day Soon]

How do you know the players don’t take him seriously as that’s not the case of the ones I’ve spoken to

From the source within the club that I've spoken to.

[SMAXXA]

From the source within the club that I've spoken to.

Well I can assure you the players not sources have told me quite the opposite, think mcnulty also took him serious in a recent interview. He’s not all got positive going for him just now but I don’t agree with that comment

[cabbageandribs1875]

But we were.

That game, taken in isolation, is excusable.

Our first game, lots of new players, mid summer, weird atmosphere etc etc.

Taken with the context of other poor performances and repeat mistakes, it becomes much less excusable.

My biggest bugbear this season over the piece is that we've not played well against some poor sides. The 2 Saints teams at home are not great in Premier League terms, Arbroath, Alloa, Stirling Albion, Morton, Elgin - not great sides.

Motherwell are half decent, Rangers are good and we've been cuffed by them.

Even though its early on, it gives me the impression we're behind where we need and want to be.



and so were stirling albion, they had a raft of different players from the team they had put out from their last game of last season, a team of our new gellers should still easily beat a team of their new gellers, friendly or not :( but anyway, probably a good thing there's a break for the internationals this weekend.

[green with envy]

There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

A perfectly thought out post that says how exactly how it is.

[B.H.F.C]

Well I can assure you the players not sources have told me quite the opposite, think mcnulty also took him serious in a recent interview. He’s not all got positive going for him just now but I don’t agree with that comment

Whether they like him, take him serious or whatever, they certainly don’t look motivated by him at the moment, that’s for sure.

[One Day Soon]

Well I can assure you the players not sources have told me quite the opposite, think mcnulty also took him serious in a recent interview. He’s not all got positive going for him just now but I don’t agree with that comment

You're assuming a player is different from a source.

[Jones28]

Yes, that's generally how it works isn't it? The evidence to support it all is mounting and ugly though.

I thought it was a great post.

[SMAXXA]

You're assuming a player is different from a source.

Ok

[jacomo]

All in your opinion of course.


Thank you mr obvious.

[BILLYHIBS]

There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

10/10

[flash]

From the source within the club that I've spoken to.

That's not true.

[flash]

That's not true.

I mean what you have been told. I am not suggesting you made it up.

[green with envy]

All in your opinion of course.

What made you think that?🤣

[hibbymick]

If a neutral was to have a look at our team playing just now do you think they would be able to tell the difference between a new signing and the rest who have been here a while? Its ok to slate the new signings but the others are not performing either.

[BoomtownHibees]

If a neutral was to have a look at our team playing just now do you think they would be able to tell the difference between a new signing and the rest who have been here a while? Its ok to slate the new signings but the others are not performing either.

Could easily spot the new signings all sitting together on the bench

[theonlywayisup]

Could not articulate my thoughts better than what's written below.



There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

[hibbymick]

Could easily spot the new signings all sitting together on the bench

:greengrin:greengrin

[The_Horde]

Still no end of window message from Hibs. Bizarre?

[Onion]

Still no end of window message from Hibs. Bizarre?

Preparing for bigger announcement, perhaps :confused:

[Hermit Crab]

Preparing for bigger announcement, perhaps :confused:


We should be so lucky.

[One Day Soon]

Still no end of window message from Hibs. Bizarre?


Given the current debate about our signings, squad balance and general performance would you want to put out a statement confirming that our business was done and how pleased you were with our signings? Red rag to a bull. So, just make no statement.

[tonyrougier123]

There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

Good post 👏

[SMAXXA]

Given the current debate about our signings, squad balance and general performance would you want to put out a statement confirming that our business was done and how pleased you were with our signings? Red rag to a bull. So, just make no statement.

I can see the merits of this but maybe also shows weakness that the club don’t believe in the business we have done can’t do right for doing wrong at the moment

[Heisenberg]

Given the current debate about our signings, squad balance and general performance would you want to put out a statement confirming that our business was done and how pleased you were with our signings? Red rag to a bull. So, just make no statement.

Didn’t stop LD coming out and saying our transfer window has been very good.

I’m clinging onto the hope that it means we’re signing someone else.

[hibsquaker]

There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters.

Bang on

[hibeerealist]

I don’t think it’s fair to combine last seasons with this seasons as it wasn't his team, it was the same underachieving team NL had and was getting frustrated with. Judge the man on this season not saying that changes the messaging but surly got to judge him on his own team, plenty signings to make a case for that. He came in and had a thread bare squad last season mind decimated with injuries.

Well the only pluses I see PH getting are the early results with somebody else's team, surely he should do as well if not better with his own team??

[One Day Soon]

Didn’t stop LD coming out and saying our transfer window has been very good.

I’m clinging onto the hope that it means we’re signing someone else.


Yes, I'm of the view that if we don't sign a DM and a forward then something is very seriously amiss.

[SMAXXA]

Well the only pluses I see PH getting are the early results with somebody else's team, surely he should do as well if not better with his own team??

I’m not disputing that as I say it’s more an accurate assessment that last season imo that be good or bad

[Percy Vere]

The personal insults are just cringey. The man is in there working his bollocks off away from his family trying to get this right. I've no doubt he's giving it everything. He's been unlucky in some respects with the sending off at Ibrox when we were right in the game and conceding a goal with the last kick of the game against St Johnstone. I was at Fir Park on Saturday and though the better team went in at half time behind. We then lost a daft penalty and the 3rd goal is academic. It's all fine margins. We aren't as bad as people would have you believe. He's getting a harder time than Lennon ever got during his 1 win in 16 or whatever it was. Quite sad.

Bang on. And no credit for top 6, which was never going to happen with Lenny

[The 90+2]

Bang on. And no credit for top 6, which was never going to happen with Lenny

He got **** loads of credit. There was a class song about him. Since top six it’s been disastrous.

[Percy Vere]

He got **** loads of credit. There was a class song about him. Since top six it’s been disastrous.

At the time but it's all forgotten now is what I meant.

[Kaff]

In reply about SDG, I would point to him being sidelined by Lennon last season in what I would say was a bit of jealousy from the manager, and the subsequent lift in results once he was back in the starting XI.
Two coincidences in this, Lennon had a bad run of results while not picking him (and he was available for plenty games near the end of his tenure) and Heckingbottom a great run while he was consistently starting. Wouldn't have been seen as a coincidence as such if Heckingbottom had continued with same form?
Imo SDG is a true leader and his presence is enough to lift our squad, he doesn't need to be demonstrative as such.
This season he hasn't had a good run of fitness unfortunately and hopefully he can still have a significant part to play, him and Daz both being out atm is a real blow as the manager gives no positive vibes it seems

[theonlywayisup]

At the time but it's all forgotten now is what I meant.

Maybe that was partly down to the players upping their game, which seems right as they downed tools after the place above Hertz was guaranteed.

[007]

It’s more replies to posters saying there’s nothing wrong and ripping others for being concerned. Self ban on this thread from now. Windows closed, it’s been horrific let’s see what happens.

It's a good job you're not Heckingbottom otherwise you'd have been pilloried for making a statement like that and then going on to do another 6 or 7 posts on this thread. :greengrin

[H18S NX]

There's some litany of excuses, justifications and prevarications being touted now in defence of a tenure that so far has been hugely below what we expected. The club needs a serious shake and the advent of Ron should be the time to do that in both statements of intent and actions taken.

New signings look, so far, average at best - and that's being generous. And the budget appears to be blown to the extent that we have to shift players like Mackie out in order to be able to bring yet another right back in. So there's clearly no additional cavalry coming over the horizon. And the 'Mackie out to get someone else in' scenario gives the lie to the notion that we can play Billy big balls with things like shirt sponsorship as though we're so cash rich that it makes little difference to us.

There's no shape to the team.

There's no pace to the team.

There's little to no cutting edge to the team up front and our options there are threadbare.

There's no dig in the midfield. None. Unless the Swede proves to be a revelation that other clubs have missed AND can stay fit and available all season we will be walked through game after game after game.

We were promised a high press and we look like exactly the opposite.

We were promised players fiitter than ever before and they look the opposite.

There's no public facing leader at the Club and none on the park. Heckingbottom has actually gone out of his way to play down ambitions and expectations in fact. I'm told that Gray is excellent with the other players around the club from day to day but he apparently just isn't a demonstrative type of captain on the park. We go 1 - 0 down in a game and players wander about looking like it doesn't matter that much - I can remember going behind in games at one stage of Lennon being in charge and thinking quite confidently that it would be fine because we were so focussed and such a unit that we'd score two.

We've taken a platform of optimism, enthusiasm, huge season ticket numbers and great infrastructure and somehow managed to go backwards. Since that appalling approach to the Celtic cup game at home last season we've looked like a team that knows its place which is somewhere mid table without getting uppity ideas beyond our station. I doubt there's a team in the league scared of us now.

This is bad, directionless football, played by too many average and ageing players, led by an out of his depth manager, appointed by people who won't want to admit their mistake until it's cost us a lot more than it needs to. The players like him but don't take him seriously and he's signed a lot of nice guys when we need some steel to go with any ability. This won't end well and it won't be the fault of the supporters........:top marks

[The 90+2]

It's a good job you're not Heckingbottom otherwise you'd have been pilloried for making a statement like that and then going on to do another 6 or 7 posts on this thread. :greengrin

It’s taken another turn of conversation but you’re right 👍🤦*♂️

[SMAXXA]

It's a good job you're not Heckingbottom otherwise you'd have been pilloried for making a statement like that and then going on to do another 6 or 7 posts on this thread. :greengrin

😂 I did think about referring back to that post 🙈

[007]

It’s taken another turn of conversation but you’re right 👍🤦*♂️

I knew that but I couldn't resist pointing it out. About the only time I've laughed on here lately was when I saw you lasted a whole 10 minutes.

[The 90+2]

I knew that but I couldn't resist pointing it out. About the only time I've laughed on here lately was when I saw you lasted a whole 10 minutes.

Aim to please mate :greengrin

There I go again..doh.

[Borderhibbie76]

How do you know the players don’t take him seriously as that’s not the case of the ones I’ve spoken toWith all due respect...players always back a manager publicly especially ones that give them an easy ride. They aren't playing like a team battling for their manager...that much is certain going by the last 3 inept league performances

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[we are hibs]

Things we have learned from this thread:

1) the negative posters are always right
2) we still havent signed a defensive midfielder
3) tam mcmanus still spraffs *****. (Cummings)


See you in January

[flash]

Given the current debate about our signings, squad balance and general performance would you want to put out a statement confirming that our business was done and how pleased you were with our signings? Red rag to a bull. So, just make no statement.

We have made statements at the end of worse transfer windows than this. I asked Hibs on social media why this hasn't happened but didn't get a reply.

[SMAXXA]

Maybe Kenny Millar can shed some light on it?

[Stuart93]

Just seen our squad from May 2018:

Marciano

Efe Mcgregor Hanlon

Boyle mcgeouch Allan Mcginn Stevenson

Kamberi Maclaren

It’s took a year and a bit for that team to be dismantled and made considerably worse. Think our board/recruitment team are getting an easy ride after letting this happen

[500miles]

Just seen our squad from May 2018:

Marciano

Efe Mcgregor Hanlon

Boyle mcgeouch Allan Mcginn Stevenson

Kamberi Maclaren

It’s took a year and a bit for that team to be dismantled and made considerably worse. Think our board/recruitment team are getting an easy ride after letting this happen

7 of that 11 are still here. Not much of a dismantling.

[calumhibee1]

7 of that 11 are still here. Not much of a dismantling.

:agree:

And a couple of the ones that aren’t were never going to be here long term.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just seen our squad from May 2018:

Marciano

Efe Mcgregor Hanlon

Boyle mcgeouch Allan Mcginn Stevenson

Kamberi Maclaren

It’s took a year and a bit for that team to be dismantled and made considerably worse. Think our board/recruitment team are getting an easy ride after letting this happen

If I told you then we'd still have 7/11 of those players you'd be delighted.

[J-C]

Just seen our squad from May 2018:

Marciano

Efe Mcgregor Hanlon

Boyle mcgeouch Allan Mcginn Stevenson

Kamberi Maclaren

It’s took a year and a bit for that team to be dismantled and made considerably worse. Think our board/recruitment team are getting an easy ride after letting this happen

Injuries and not replacing 3 key players are more to do with it. No one in to cover for Boyle, Horgan is very poor on the right.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Just seen our squad from May 2018:

Marciano

Efe Mcgregor Hanlon

Boyle mcgeouch Allan Mcginn Stevenson

Kamberi Maclaren

It’s took a year and a bit for that team to be dismantled and made considerably worse. Think our board/recruitment team are getting an easy ride after letting this happen

Our squad has underwent major surgery. These players mentioned above didn’t just wake up one morning a great side , that squad was built over several seasons of playing and training together.

The back 3 were pretty much omnipresent for 2 years solid. We’ve had a makeshift back 4 in every game I think due to injuries.

This current lot have had less than 10 games. It’s the 4th of September.

[The Modfather]

7 of that 11 are still here. Not much of a dismantling.

True, but McGregor, Hanlon and to a lesser extent Stevenson, have either dropped off form wise for long enough for it not to be a blip, or now miss too many games that it’s like having lost the 17/18 versions.

I’ve said before, I wonder if 17/18 was the peak of some of that team. Particularly Hanlon, but McGregor & Stevenson are also showing signs of being on the cusp of a decline if it’s not already began. It’s often overlooked how poor Boyle was before injury last season (albeit in his defence he was being played up front which he can’t play) and he’s another one I wonder if 17/18 was his purple season.

I only thing we have Marciano, Porteous, Allan & Kamberi as a core and, by and large, I’d not be too bothered if anyone outside of them left.

[Smartie]

True, but McGregor, Hanlon and to a lesser extent Stevenson, have either dropped off form wise for long enough for it not to be a blip, or now miss too many games that it’s like having lost the 17/18 versions.

I’ve said before, I wonder if 17/18 was the peak of some of that team. Particularly Hanlon, but McGregor & Stevenson are also showing signs of being on the cusp of a decline if it’s not already began. It’s often overlooked how poor Boyle was before injury last season (albeit in his defence he was being played up front which he can’t play) and he’s another one I wonder if 17/18 was his purple season.

I only thing we have Marciano, Porteous, Allan & Kamberi as a core and, by and large, I’d not be too bothered if anyone outside of them left.

Amidst all the negativity, it has to be said that that is s good, solid core to be starting from.

The cynic in me would have to say that they are more likely to leave than be added to adequately right enough......

[SlickShoes]

Everyone wanted shot of Efe for ages even though he was our best player for about half a season easily, played over 50 games without missing one, was the only person capable of beating a man during our horrible run towards lennon leaving.

[we are hibs]

Everyone wanted shot of Efe for ages even though he was our best player for about half a season easily, played over 50 games without missing one, was the only person capable of beating a man during our horrible run towards lennon leaving.

Cant remember that. There were a few questioning his performances at the start of both seasons he was here but i cant remember everyone wanting shot of him

[erin go bragh]

Mulumba and Hooper could still be signed. If the board want to maybe save PH .

[MWHIBBIES]

Mulumba and Hooper could still be signed. If the board want to maybe save PH .

Hooper could easily get 15k a week in England, he isn't coming here no matter how much the board try.

[Barman Stanton]

Find the lack of a 'business complete' statement a bit of a concern. Feels like we are taking many steps back at the moment.

[Heisenberg]

Find the lack of a 'business complete' statement a bit of a concern. Feels like we are taking many steps back at the moment.

How is it a concern? I’d be concerned if we had issued one.

[JimBHibees]

Find the lack of a 'business complete' statement a bit of a concern. Feels like we are taking many steps back at the moment.

As things go probably not the biggest worry at the moment.

[hibsforeurope]

Mulumba and Hooper could still be signed. If the board want to maybe save PH .

Do the board, deep down, want to save PH or are they resigned to having to replace him soon? Is the new investment now being kept back to see what happens between now and January.

[Edinburgh Green]

Everyone wanted shot of Efe for ages even though he was our best player for about half a season easily, played over 50 games without missing one, was the only person capable of beating a man during our horrible run towards lennon leaving.

:confused: Eh no they didn't

[SquashedFrogg]

Find the lack of a 'business complete' statement a bit of a concern. Feels like we are taking many steps back at the moment.

I have to say, I thought I'd heard every possible 'reason' for people being concerned. But the lack of a 'business complete' statement? Best one yet :tee hee:

[Unseen work]

There are some great free agents available and you would imagine within our price range.

I can see us signing one over the coming days.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

There are some great free agents available and you would imagine within our price range.

I can see us signing one over the coming days.

Fingers crossed

Any rumours on Mulumba or Hooper or is this just wishful thinking?

[04Sauzee]

There are some great free agents available and you would imagine within our price range.

I can see us signing one over the coming days.

My only concern is they will be within a lot of clubs range which may make it more difficult for us if that makes any sense

[Barman Stanton]

I have to say, I thought I'd heard every possible 'reason' for people being concerned. But the lack of a 'business complete' statement? Best one yet :tee hee:

Ok, I have taken a bit of stick for saying this :faf: Perhaps should have explained a bit better. My worry is more the lack of communication from the club. We have always issued these statements before (over last few years anyway). So why have we not? Do they now see communicating with the fans as not as important. It just feels like a step back to me to the days where there was an us and them with the board.

[SquashedFrogg]

Ok, I have taken a bit of stick for saying this :faf: Perhaps should have explained a bit better. My worry is more the lack of communication from the club. We have always issued these statements before (over last few years anyway). So why have we not? Do they now see communicating with the fans as not as important. It just feels like a step back to me to the days where there was an us and them with the board.

Sorry mate, couldn't resist. Just seems like people are up in arms about the most trivial of things these days.

We got a statement from the club only last week. These 'transfer business is complete' statements are a new phenomenon. I'd also say we have had more communication from the club in the 5 years than ever before.

My only assumption is that we may not have finished in bringing players in? The club would look pretty silly stating as such, only to sign a player a few days later.

[jacomo]

There are some great free agents available and you would imagine within our price range.

I can see us signing one over the coming days.


Unfortunately, the presumption is that we had to move Mackie out on loan in order to bring Naismith in.

Earlier, PH talked about another striker but only if Shaw went out on loan.

We may not be skint, but it seems the club isn’t giving Hecky more funds for now.

[Barman Stanton]

Sorry mate, couldn't resist. Just seems like people are up in arms about the most trivial of things these days.

We got a statement from the club only last week. These 'transfer business is complete' statements are a new phenomenon. I'd also say we have had more communication from the club in the 5 years than ever before.

My only assumption is that we may not have finished in bringing players in? The club would look pretty silly stating as such, only to sign a player a few days later.

Yeah but it’s the first time in a few years we haven’t released one. Just seems to be a bit of disconnect at the moment. Or perhaps I’m just spending too long in here and the mass negativity is catching! There is a bit of a mob mentality at the moment and I just want to fit in lol

[500miles]

Worth pointing out, we can still send out emergency loans to lower leagues.

[SquashedFrogg]

Yeah but it’s the first time in a few years we haven’t released one. Just seems to be a bit of disconnect at the moment. Or perhaps I’m just spending too long in here and the mass negativity is catching! There is a bit of a mob mentality at the moment and I just want to fit in lol

Haha, I know what you mean. This place has gone bonkers.

As I say, perhaps it's because we haven't finished? Keeping their options open?

If the club come out and say they haven't finished and then can't get a deal over the line, they look a bit silly and get slaughtered. If they come out and say they have finished and then end up signing someone, then also they'll look a bit silly and get slaughtered.

Best to say nothing in my book.

In the good old days we got told very little and seemed to survive. Nowadays, the more info people get, the more they want. It's never enough. The Lennon debacle demonstrated this. People demanding it was their given right to be told everything. Reality is, it's not.

Anyway, in saying that, I'd take Mulumbu.

[calumhibee1]

Haha, I know what you mean. This place has gone bonkers.

As I say, perhaps it's because we haven't finished? Keeping their options open?

If the club come out and say they haven't finished and then can't get a deal over the line, they look a bit silly and get slaughtered. If they come out and say they have finished and then end up signing someone, then also they'll look a bit silly and get slaughtered.

Best to say nothing in my book.

In the good old days we got told very little and seemed to survive. Nowadays, the more info people get, the more they want. It's never enough. The Lennon debacle demonstrated this. People demanding it was their given right to be told everything. Reality is, it's not.

Anyway, in saying that, I'd take Mulumbu.

If Mulumbu was close-ish to being fit he’d be an outstanding signing.

[Barman Stanton]

Haha, I know what you mean. This place has gone bonkers.

As I say, perhaps it's because we haven't finished? Keeping their options open?

If the club come out and say they haven't finished and then can't get a deal over the line, they look a bit silly and get slaughtered. If they come out and say they have finished and then end up signing someone, then also they'll look a bit silly and get slaughtered.

Best to say nothing in my book.

In the good old days we got told very little and seemed to survive. Nowadays, the more info people get, the more they want. It's never enough. The Lennon debacle demonstrated this. People demanding it was their given right to be told everything. Reality is, it's not.

Anyway, in saying that, I'd take Mulumbu.


Yeah I have my fingers crossed for a DM still. I don't think the squad is as bad as made out and someone protecting the defense would make a huge difference.

[SquashedFrogg]

Yeah I have my fingers crossed for a DM still. I don't think the squad is as bad as made out and someone protecting the defense would make a huge difference.

Totally agree mate. I'd like to see the players given a little more freedom in an attacking sense. Be a bit more dynamic.

[Since452]

Think the international break has come at an ideal time for a change. We dont have a raft of players away with their countries so will be a chance to get some good work done at East Mains. More time for Porteous to catch up, James hopefully back training, Hallberg and Naismith bedded in. Hopefully we see another player in too

[JimBHibees]

Think the international break has come at an ideal time for a change. We dont have a raft of players away with their countries so will be a chance to get some good work done at East Mains. More time for Porteous to catch up, James hopefully back training, Hallberg and Naismith bedded in. Hopefully we see another player in too

Think there was some mention of Naismith having a small injury, hope not

[Spudster]

Regarding the business compete statement. Damned if they, damned if they don't. If they do then they get lot's of negative comments/tweets/fb comments, if they don't a few people complain elsewhere. Easier not to IMO

[Since452]

Think there was some mention of Naismith having a small injury, hope not

Our replacement, replacement right back being injured would be just our luck

[craigiehibs]

[QUOTE=Spudster;5919195]Regarding the business compete statement. Damned if they, damned if they don't. If they do then they get lot's of negative comments/tweets/fb comments, if they don't a few people complain elsewhere. Easier not to IMO[/QUOT
i think regrettably we are clutching at straws. hecks seems to be a bit arrogant and "he knows best". dont agee brw the lack of dig in midfield is palpably evidenr

[craigiehibs]

remember neither marv or milligan wanted to go!

[JimBHibees]

Our replacement, replacement right back being injured would be just our luck

Is that not replacement, replacement, replacement right back? :greengrin

Think Jason is a good player physical and strong and gets forward well. A catch I think just not sure what it means for SDG or James for that matter.

[SquashedFrogg]

[QUOTE=Spudster;5919195]Regarding the business compete statement. Damned if they, damned if they don't. If they do then they get lot's of negative comments/tweets/fb comments, if they don't a few people complain elsewhere. Easier not to IMO[/QUOT
i think regrettably we are clutching at straws. hecks seems to be a bit arrogant and "he knows best". dont agee brw the lack of dig in midfield is palpably evidenr

Why attempt to (yet again) blame and criticise the manager around a discussion on a club statement? Can I ask a question? Would you say Lennon was a bit arrogant? Or when interviewed, came across as knowing best when journalists asked questions?

I know what I think.

[Heisenberg]

Is that not replacement, replacement, replacement right back? :greengrin

Think Jason is a good player physical and strong and gets forward well. A catch I think just not sure what it means for SDG or James for that matter.

Unfortunately I think SDG is going to struggle to get back in the team. Naismith is a fitter younger version. James might struggle as well, although he could get the nod as he’s on a permanent contract and Hecky might want to stick by him.

[Percy Vere]

Mulumba and Hooper could still be signed. If the board want to maybe save PH .

Morrison also available
As is Mccormack
Jack Rodwell (wages issue I guess)

[Brightside]

remember neither marv or milligan wanted to go!

Both players weren't good enough.

[AugustaHibs]

Both players weren't good enough.

Aye I suppose the replacements are much better

[Michael]

Aye I suppose the replacements are much better

If we kept them instead the manager would have been criticised. At least he tried to improve the midfield.

[SquashedFrogg]

Aye I suppose the replacements are much better

Do you not think Hallberg is an improvement?

[BlackSheep]

Do you not think Hallberg is an improvement?

Who knows....?

[SquashedFrogg]

Who knows....?

I guess that was my point to the op.

[LeithMike]

True, but McGregor, Hanlon and to a lesser extent Stevenson, have either dropped off form wise for long enough for it not to be a blip, or now miss too many games that it’s like having lost the 17/18 versions.

I’ve said before, I wonder if 17/18 was the peak of some of that team. Particularly Hanlon, but McGregor & Stevenson are also showing signs of being on the cusp of a decline if it’s not already began. It’s often overlooked how poor Boyle was before injury last season (albeit in his defence he was being played up front which he can’t play) and he’s another one I wonder if 17/18 was his purple season.

I only thing we have Marciano, Porteous, Allan & Kamberi as a core and, by and large, I’d not be too bothered if anyone outside of them left.I wonder if it points more to just how important your central midfield is. I think defenders are going to get a far easier time playing behind McGeouch and McGinn than Mallan and Vela. #1 because they would dominate the ball; and #2 because they can tackle and protect the back 4.

This is the weakest central midfield I've seen at Hibs in a long time. Maybe Vela will improve though.

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[Not In The Know]

I wonder if Tom James could step in to the holding role and Naismith takes the right back postion?

[SquashedFrogg]

I wonder if it points more to just how important your central midfield is. I think defenders are going to get a far easier time playing behind McGeouch and McGinn than Mallan and Vela. #1 because they would dominate the ball; and #2 because they can tackle and protect the back 4.

This is the weakest central midfield I've seen at Hibs in a long time. Maybe Vela will improve though.

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Totally agree with this. I'd also add in that the attacking side of the team also benefits the defence, thus the midfield. The 3 areas all compliment each other and when there is an imbalance in one, it impacts the others .

[SquashedFrogg]

I wonder if Tom James could step in to the holding role and Naismith takes the right back postion?

Weirdly I'm wondering if Porteous could handle this position? For me he has the attributes.

[LeithMike]

Just seen our squad from May 2018:

Marciano

Efe Mcgregor Hanlon

Boyle mcgeouch Allan Mcginn Stevenson

Kamberi Maclaren

It’s took a year and a bit for that team to be dismantled and made considerably worse. Think our board/recruitment team are getting an easy ride after letting this happenLooking at that the big difference is McGinn and McGeouch. Two of the best players I've ever seen at Hibs. They are difficult to replace but if it has fallen apart so badly after their departure it begs the question of whether they were the real reason behind our success and other people have taken the credit off the back of it?

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[Hiber-nation]

I wonder if Tom James could step in to the holding role and Naismith takes the right back postion?

Maybe he could at a push but we need players who can improve the team rather than slot in to do a job. Hallberg will need to bring much needed energy in there.

[oldbutdim]

Both players weren't good enough.

I thought that Marvin had decided his time was up at Hibs and talked to Livi ahead of any decision at Hibs?
I understood he has no agent and did this himself, then told Hibs?

May be wrong...……… I have been before.

[JimBHibees]

I wonder if it points more to just how important your central midfield is. I think defenders are going to get a far easier time playing behind McGeouch and McGinn than Mallan and Vela. #1 because they would dominate the ball; and #2 because they can tackle and protect the back 4.

This is the weakest central midfield I've seen at Hibs in a long time. Maybe Vela will improve though.

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I would give both Hallberg and Vela a run as the two centre mids with Allan in front. As for wider personally would go with either Murray or Slivka right and Middleton left as don't think Horgan is cutting it either offensively or defensively. We need IMO a much more solid looking team who can break but have physicality and athleticism to get about the pitch and compete.

[Jones28]

Has Bigirimana signed for anyone yet?

[chippy]

I would give both Hallberg and Vela a run as the two centre mids with Allan in front. As for wider personally would go with either Murray or Slivka right and Middleton left as don't think Horgan is cutting it either offensively or defensively. We need IMO a much more solid looking team who can break but have physicality and athleticism to get about the pitch and compete.
Agree with this. I like Horgan and would play him or Middleton but not both from the start

[CMurdoch]

Has Bigirimana signed for anyone yet?

Still a free agent.
In Burundi at the moment to play/having played for the national team.
Not a good enough player for Hibs but Champions League as a person.
I wish him well.

[jacomo]

Still a free agent.
In Burundi at the moment to play/having played for the national team.
Not a good enough player for Hibs but Champions League as a person.
I wish him well.


I’m not sure we ever found out if he was good enough for Hibs.

Hecky didn’t fancy him, for sure, but then our manager may have a blind spot when it comes to defensive midfielders.

[worcesterhibby]

I would give both Hallberg and Vela a run as the two centre mids with Allan in front. As for wider personally would go with either Murray or Slivka right and Middleton left as don't think Horgan is cutting it either offensively or defensively. We need IMO a much more solid looking team who can break but have physicality and athleticism to get about the pitch and compete.

Agree would play Murray right. I would like to see Horgan used as a 2nd half substitute and told to run his knackers off for 30 mins. He usually does well for 30 mins out of 90, so let’s just play him for 30 mins !

[Smartie]

Weirdly I'm wondering if Porteous could handle this position? For me he has the attributes.

He looks like he should, but there is often a gawkiness about a centre half playing there - players who have trained to play there, and who have a few hundred games at all sorts of levels playing there know when they've got time on the ball, when they hold onto it, when they release it etc.

Paul Hanlon for example played further forward when he was younger. He looks more comfortable than most players when he finds himself in possession further up the park.

Has Porteous ever played anywhere other than CH?

[Iggy Pope]

I’m not sure we ever found out if he was good enough for Hibs.

Hecky didn’t fancy him, for sure, but then our manager may have a blind spot when it comes to defensive midfielders.

Was he a defensive midfielder? I’m probably sharing that blind spot.

[Iggy Pope]

He looks like he should, but there is often a gawkiness about a centre half playing there - players who have trained to play there, and who have a few hundred games at all sorts of levels playing there know when they've got time on the ball, when they hold onto it, when they release it etc.

Paul Hanlon for example played further forward when he was younger. He looks more comfortable than most players when he finds himself in possession further up the park.

Has Porteous ever played anywhere other than CH?

I’m hopeful that the clamour on here for a defensive midfielder doesn’t result in the ruination of our main prospect and money maker. He is a central defender.

[bigwheel]

I’m hopeful that the clamour on here for a defensive midfielder doesn’t result in the ruination of our main prospect and money maker. He is a central defender.

Don’t think he quite has the football for that role anyway...he bursts baws!!

[Iggy Pope]

Don’t think he quite has the football for that role anyway...he bursts baws!!

Means to and end my friend, means to an end. We need ball bursters. His goal tally isn’t shabby either for his lack of ‘football’.

[bigwheel]

Means to and end my friend, means to an end. We need ball bursters. His goal tally isn’t shabby either for his lack of ‘football’.

Many outstanding attributes...

[SquashedFrogg]

He looks like he should, but there is often a gawkiness about a centre half playing there - players who have trained to play there, and who have a few hundred games at all sorts of levels playing there know when they've got time on the ball, when they hold onto it, when they release it etc.

Paul Hanlon for example played further forward when he was younger. He looks more comfortable than most players when he finds himself in possession further up the park.

Has Porteous ever played anywhere other than CH?

Dunno tbh. Matty Jack made the transition. Anyway, was just a thought. Just he looks to have more about him than just a head it/kick it CH.

[04Sauzee]

On a side note according to Wiki Matty Jack is the interim manager off Furtuna Dusseldorf's 2nd team

[drumatic44]

Mulumbu is still available according to a recent list, takes no prisoners !!

[Smartie]

Dunno tbh. Matty Jack made the transition. Anyway, was just a thought. Just he looks to have more about him than just a head it/kick it CH.

I'm sure Matty Jack played in midfield quite a lot before he joined Hibs.

And I agree that Porteous looks like more than a head it/kick it CH - they can be worth their weight in gold these days, we don't necessarily need to put him into midfield to get the most out of his attributes.

[Jones28]

Mulumbu is still available according to a recent list, takes no prisoners !!

We’d be nuts not to make him an offer

[bingo70]

On a side note according to Wiki Matty Jack is the interim manager off Furtuna Dusseldorf's 2nd team

He’s not any more.

We were speaking to him when we were in Dusseldorf a few months back and the new Dusseldorf manager had cleared out all the back room staff to bring in his own guys.

[04Sauzee]

He’s not any more.

We were speaking to him when we were in Dusseldorf a few months back and the new Dusseldorf manager had cleared out all the back room staff to bring in his own guys.

I wasnt aware of that. I did look elsewhere and it didnt mention Jack on the coaching team.

[The_Horde]

Wish people would stop mentioning Malumba.

[SquashedFrogg]

I'm sure Matty Jack played in midfield quite a lot before he joined Hibs.

And I agree that Porteous looks like more than a head it/kick it CH - they can be worth their weight in gold these days, we don't necessarily need to put him into midfield to get the most out of his attributes.

I could counter and say we 'could' get more from him in midfield. The boy has pace, power and can play ball. Anyway, I'm guessing we will never know. I just posted as a general thought. Nothing more.

[SquashedFrogg]

Wish people would stop mentioning Malumba.

How?

[BlackSheep]

Wish people would stop mentioning Malumba.

Funny I’ve seen Mulumbu mentioned a few times, sometimes Mulumbi and now Mulumba.... I agree we should stop mentioning the latter two, not sure they even exist....?

But Mulumbu... why we haven’t signed him only Heck knows!!

[Smartie]

I could counter and say we 'could' get more from him in midfield. The boy has pace, power and can play ball. Anyway, I'm guessing we will never know. I just posted as a general thought. Nothing more.

A good few of us are very concerned about the weak and porous nature of our midfield, and with the window shut it doesn't look like we're going to address this. It's reasonable to suggest other options from who else we already have from within our squad and with PH appearing reluctant to start him at CH, why not Porteous?

Pretty much every "XI for Saturday" thread we've had I've chosen either Hanlon or Stevenson in midfield to address this issue, so I certainly get where you're coming from.

I just think that in his best position, he is potentially (possibly already) one of our best players and we should be careful about moving him elsewhere.

[theonlywayisup]

Was checking the Hibs (and Hertz) first team squads on the Transfermarkt website and was surprised to see that our squad is 24 compared to 28 at Hertz. This obviously does not include the development team players.

Maybe I've miscounted but the split is:

Goalkeepers - Hibs 2 / Hertz 3

Centre-backs - Hibs 4 / Hertz 4

Full-backs - Hibs 5 / Hertz 6 - we've more right backs than left backs, Hertz are the opposite

Midfielders - Hibs 8 / Hertz 9

Wingers - Hibs 2 / Hertz 1

Forwards - Hibs 3 / Hertz 5

Was a bit surprised at that as someone told me that Hertz had a 1st team squad of 34.

The actual names of both squads to follow.

[theonlywayisup]

The Hibees - 24 Players


Ofir Marciano Goalkeeper
Chris Maxwell Goalkeeper


Paul Hanlon Centre-Back
Ryan Porteous Centre-Back
Darren McGregor Centre-Back
Adam Jackson Centre-Back


Lewis Stevenson Left-Back
David Gray Right-Back
Jason Naismith Right-Back
Steven Whittaker Right-Back
Tom James Right-Back


Josh Vela Central Midfield
Stevie Mallan Central Midfield
Scott Allan Central Midfield
Melker Hallberg Central Midfield
Vykintas Slivka Central Midfield
Daryl Horgan Left Midfield
Joe Newell Left Midfield
Fraser Murray Attacking Midfield


Glenn Middleton Left Winger
Martin Boyle Right Winger


Christian Doidge Centre-Forward
Florian Kamberi Centre-Forward
Oli Shaw Centre-Forward

Apologies if anyone is missing!

[theonlywayisup]

Hertz - 28 Players


Joel Pereira Goalkeeper
Zdenek Zlámal Goalkeeper
Colin Doyle Goalkeeper


John Souttar Centre-Back
Christophe Berra Centre-Back
Craig Halkett Centre-Back
Clévid Dikamona Centre-Back


Benjamin Garuccio Left-Back
Aidy White Left-Back
Aaron Hickey Left-Back
Bobby Burns Left-Back
Michael Smith Right-Back
Jamie Brandon Right-Back

Glenn Whelan Defensive Midfield
Peter Haring Defensive Midfield
Loïc Damour Central Midfield
Oliver Bozanic Central Midfield
Sean Clare Central Midfield
Andy Irving Central Midfield
Jake Mulraney Right Midfield
Callumn Morrison Right Midfield
Ryotaro Meshino Attacking Midfield

Jamie Walker Left Winger

Steven Naismith Second Striker
Conor Washington Centre-Forward
Uche Ikpeazu Centre-Forward
Steven MacLean Centre-Forward
Craig Wighton Centre-Forward

Who cares if anyone is missing!

[04Sauzee]

Strange that Walker is classed as winger and Mulraney is a right midfielder

[MikeyS]

Was checking the Hibs (and Hertz) first team squads on the Transfermarkt website and was surprised to see that our squad is 24 compared to 28 at Hertz. This obviously does not include the development team players.

Maybe I've miscounted but the split is:

Goalkeepers - Hibs 2 / Hertz 3

Centre-backs - Hibs 4 / Hertz 4

Full-backs - Hibs 5 / Hertz 6 - we've more right backs than left backs, Hertz are the opposite

Midfielders - Hibs 8 / Hertz 9

Wingers - Hibs 2 / Hertz 1

Forwards - Hibs 3 / Hertz 5

Was a bit surprised at that as someone told me that Hertz had a 1st team squad of 34.

The actual names of both squads to follow.

They sent 2 or 3 out on loan this week so maybe that might be why you thought they had a much larger squad.

[jacomo]

A good few of us are very concerned about the weak and porous nature of our midfield, and with the window shut it doesn't look like we're going to address this. It's reasonable to suggest other options from who else we already have from within our squad and with PH appearing reluctant to start him at CH, why not Porteous?

Pretty much every "XI for Saturday" thread we've had I've chosen either Hanlon or Stevenson in midfield to address this issue, so I certainly get where you're coming from.

I just think that in his best position, he is potentially (possibly already) one of our best players and we should be careful about moving him elsewhere.


Porto is a natural born centre back imo. We desperately need to toughen up in midfield but I don’t think he’s the answer.

I’d try Jackson further forward first. We could play a back 3 instead but who are the wing backs?

[jacomo]

The Hibees - 24 Players


Ofir Marciano Goalkeeper
Chris Maxwell Goalkeeper


Paul Hanlon Centre-Back
Ryan Porteous Centre-Back
Darren McGregor Centre-Back
Adam Jackson Centre-Back


Lewis Stevenson Left-Back
David Gray Right-Back
Jason Naismith Right-Back
Steven Whittaker Right-Back
Tom James Right-Back


Josh Vela Central Midfield
Stevie Mallan Central Midfield
Scott Allan Central Midfield
Melker Hallberg Central Midfield
Vykintas Slivka Central Midfield
Daryl Horgan Left Midfield
Joe Newell Left Midfield
Fraser Murray Attacking Midfield


Glenn Middleton Left Winger
Martin Boyle Right Winger


Christian Doidge Centre-Forward
Florian Kamberi Centre-Forward
Oli Shaw Centre-Forward

Apologies if anyone is missing!


I don’t see this as a balanced or adaptable squad.

[SMAXXA]

Porto is a natural born centre back imo. We desperately need to toughen up in midfield but I don’t think he’s the answer.

I’d try Jackson further forward first. We could play a back 3 instead but who are the wing backs?

Wing backs are easy lewis and Naismith

[Unseen work]

Playing central/defensive midfield is not as easy as some are making out by just chucking a centre half in.

Looking good on the ball at centre half is a lot difference in centre mid.

You need an awareness of what’s around you, concept of time and space, good touch, good passing, ability to match midfield runners, know when to press and when to stand.

Its a difficult role.

Porteous is a centre half with the potential to be a brilliant one, let’s not try change him.

Lets just sign one that’s got experience of playing it and is good at it.

Hopefullt Hallberg is the missing link.

Re Mulumbu - A great player but he’s not the big tough tackling centre mid that we’re missing He often had Dicker, Power or Tshibola behind him at Killie.

Would I take Mulumbu? Absolutely. Would also take

Mile Jedinak
Ambrose
Josh Mceachran
Hooper
Danny Williams
Joe Ledley
James Morrison

And many more, unfortunately wages would be an issue and the age of some of them wouldn’t appeal to some. But I feel we miss some experience especially in centre mid.

Really hope we have another deal left in us.

[CMurdoch]

Playing central/defensive midfield is not as easy as some are making out by just chucking a centre half in.

Looking good on the ball at centre half is a lot difference in centre mid.

You need an awareness of what’s around you, concept of time and space, good touch, good passing, ability to match midfield runners, know when to press and when to stand.


I am going to get slaughtered for this.
Sounds like you are describing Slivka
He reads the game well, controls the ball very quickly and efficiently and passes to a team mate.
He would take the ball from the defenders or goalkeeper and pass it accurately to a Hibs player in midfield.
I would utilise Hallberg and Vela on front of him and Allan at the tip of the diamond.
That would give us the strength, drive and height we currently lack with Mallan & Horgan and would leave Allan free to do his thing.
The obvious worry would be Slivka's lack of ball winning abilities which should be better given the size of the guy.
Worth a try?

[The_Horde]

I am going to get slaughtered for this.
Sounds like you are describing Slivka
He reads the game well, controls the ball very quickly and efficiently and passes to a team mate.
He would take the ball from the defenders or goalkeeper and pass it accurately to a Hibs player in midfield.
I would utilise Hallberg and Vela on front of him and Allan at the tip of the diamond.
That would give us the strength, drive and height we currently lack with Mallan & Horgan and would leave Allan free to do his thing.
The obvious worry would be Slivka's lack of ball winning abilities which should be better given the size of the guy.
Worth a try?

Slivka is terrible at tracking midfield runners. Otherwise I'll give you it, on a good day. The trouble with Slivka is the good days don't happen consistently enough.

[Since452]

Slivka is terrible at tracking midfield runners. Otherwise I'll give you it, on a good day. The trouble with Slivka is the good days don't happen consistently enough.

I like Slivka but was really disappointed with him on Saturday

[jacomo]

Slivka is terrible at tracking midfield runners. Otherwise I'll give you it, on a good day. The trouble with Slivka is the good days don't happen consistently enough.


:agree:

[jeffers]

I'd be tempted to try Paul Hanlon in midfield, he's played there before and looked comfortable enough (albeit I only remember it being part of a game and he had to move back when one of the starting central defenders went off.) Not sure what has happened to him this season, I know he was playing with an injury last season, but he looks well off the level that saw him called into the Scotland squad.

He's not looking a first pick in defence once Porto is ready, maybe a change to midfield would work.

[The_Horde]

I'd be tempted to try Paul Hanlon in midfield, he's played there before and looked comfortable enough (albeit I only remember it being part of a game and he had to move back when one of the starting central defenders went off.) Not sure what has happened to him this season, I know he was playing with an injury last season, but he looks well off the level that saw him called into the Scotland squad.

He's not looking a first pick in defence once Porto is ready, maybe a change to midfield would work.

That's a great shout. I heard he started his career in midfield, although I could be wrong.

[1620]

I am going to get slaughtered for this.
Sounds like you are describing Slivka
He reads the game well, controls the ball very quickly and efficiently and passes to a team mate.
He would take the ball from the defenders or goalkeeper and pass it accurately to a Hibs player in midfield.
I would utilise Hallberg and Vela on front of him and Allan at the tip of the diamond.
That would give us the strength, drive and height we currently lack with Mallan & Horgan and would leave Allan free to do his thing.
The obvious worry would be Slivka's lack of ball winning abilities which should be better given the size of the guy.
Worth a try?

Can’t tackle a fish supper. No use as a defensive midfielder.

[Juice-Terry]

I am going to get slaughtered for this.
Sounds like you are describing Slivka
He reads the game well, controls the ball very quickly and efficiently and passes to a team mate.
He would take the ball from the defenders or goalkeeper and pass it accurately to a Hibs player in midfield.
I would utilise Hallberg and Vela on front of him and Allan at the tip of the diamond.
That would give us the strength, drive and height we currently lack with Mallan & Horgan and would leave Allan free to do his thing.
The obvious worry would be Slivka's lack of ball winning abilities which should be better given the size of the guy.
Worth a try?

I don't think he's a particularly good passer. In fact, he's a terrible passer....

[calumhibee1]

I'd be tempted to try Paul Hanlon in midfield, he's played there before and looked comfortable enough (albeit I only remember it being part of a game and he had to move back when one of the starting central defenders went off.) Not sure what has happened to him this season, I know he was playing with an injury last season, but he looks well off the level that saw him called into the Scotland squad.

He's not looking a first pick in defence once Porto is ready, maybe a change to midfield would work.

I’m sure it was a home game against Falkirk that Hanlon started DM and he was very good. I want to say someone got sent off and he ended up dropping back into CB?

[Heisenberg]

I’m sure it was a home game against Falkirk that Hanlon started DM and he was very good. I want to say someone got sent off and he ended up dropping back into B?

Did he not score the equaliser in that game as well?

[My_Wife_Camille]

I’m sure it was a home game against Falkirk that Hanlon started DM and he was very good. I want to say someone got sent off and he ended up dropping back into B?
Don't remember Falkirk but he started at DM against Rangers in the 6-2 game and was awful

[Northern Hibby]

The Hibees - 24 Players


Ofir Marciano Goalkeeper
Chris Maxwell Goalkeeper


Paul Hanlon Centre-Back
Ryan Porteous Centre-Back
Darren McGregor Centre-Back
Adam Jackson Centre-Back


Lewis Stevenson Left-Back
David Gray Right-Back
Jason Naismith Right-Back
Steven Whittaker Right-Back
Tom James Right-Back


Josh Vela Central Midfield
Stevie Mallan Central Midfield
Scott Allan Central Midfield
Melker Hallberg Central Midfield
Vykintas Slivka Central Midfield
Daryl Horgan Left Midfield
Joe Newell Left Midfield
Fraser Murray Attacking Midfield


Glenn Middleton Left Winger
Martin Boyle Right Winger


Christian Doidge Centre-Forward
Florian Kamberi Centre-Forward
Oli Shaw Centre-Forward

Apologies if anyone is missing!

Yeah that would be me team for Saturday 😁

[calumhibee1]

Don't remember Falkirk but he started at DM against Rangers in the 6-2 game and was awful

I remember the game but can’t remember anything about his performance so couldn’t comment on that one.

The Falkirk game he looked the best player on the pitch though. (Although tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t Falkirk as my memory is atrocious :greengrin).

[green with envy]

That's a great shout. I heard he started his career in midfield, although I could be wrong.

I thought Hanlon started out as a LB?

[Billy Whizz]

I thought Hanlon started out as a LB?

Always a midfielder at Hutchie

[J-C]

Hanlon played I think attacking midfield as a lad but got moved to the back fairly quickly when he came here. He does have a good footballing brain to play DM but would it work, no harm in trying.

[The Modfather]

I’m not convinced he deserves his starting place in his natural position never mind trying him in a different position. Although the fact it’s being debated is more a reflection of the squad than anything else.

[eastmainsmsh]

I'd like to see Horgan on left wing

[The_Horde]

I'd like to see Horgan on left wing

I'd like to see this too. And also I'd be tempted to try Newell on the right.

[MrRobot]

I wish we would try get Efe back, if we havent already.

[MikeyS]

You can always tell how sh*te we are doing when the Hanlon to DM chat starts. It's been happening on here since he broke into the team except the McGinn/McGeouch years.

You wouldn't get calls for a keeper to play upfront just cos he played there for Hutchie or Salvie when he was 14 but folk are forever wanting Hanlon shifted. Its mental! 😂

[calumhibee1]

You can always tell how sh*te we are doing when the Hanlon to DM chat starts. It's been happening on here since he broke into the team except the McGinn/McGeouch years.

You wouldn't get calls for a keeper to play upfront just cos he played there for Hutchie or Salvie when he was 14 but folk are forever wanting Hanlon shifted. Its mental! 😂

To be fair he has played there before for us and played it very well. Apparently he’s also played it badly for us mind you.

[jeffers]

You can always tell how sh*te we are doing when the Hanlon to DM chat starts. It's been happening on here since he broke into the team except the McGinn/McGeouch years.

You wouldn't get calls for a keeper to play upfront just cos he played there for Hutchie or Salvie when he was 14 but folk are forever wanting Hanlon shifted. Its mental! 😂

Ridiculous comparison. Hanlon has played there for the first team albeit no more than a few times, nothing to do with where he played when he was 14.

We don't have a genuine defensive midfielder, our midfield is soft and is getting overrun and will continue to do so unless we change things. I'd prefer us to sign a DM. but in absence of one Hanlon is worth a try.

[brog]

Don't remember Falkirk but he started at DM against Rangers in the 6-2 game and was awful

I'm sure we started with a back 3 in the 6-2 game & just like the cup final 10 months later we swiched to 4-4-2. Scott Martin & Fyvie played in that game so not sure we would have also needed Hanlon as defensive mid. I think what happened was Hanlon was the free defender so kept stepping into midfield & I agree, not over successfully!

[The_Horde]

I'm sure we started with a back 3 in the 6-2 game & just like the cup final 10 months later we swiched to 4-4-2. Scott Martin & Fyvie played in that game so not sure we would have also needed Hanlon as defensive mid. I think what happened was Hanlon was the free defender so kept stepping into midfield & I agree, not over successfully!

We didn't have Mcginn or Allan. Hanlon defo played midfield that day.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Ridiculous comparison. Hanlon has played there for the first team albeit no more than a few times, nothing to do with where he played when he was 14.

We don't have a genuine defensive midfielder, our midfield is soft and is getting overrun and will continue to do so unless we change things. I'd prefer us to sign a DM. but in absence of one Hanlon is worth a try.

I’d rather recall the young lad Tommy Block from loan and put him in there than stick a player who’s confidence already looks shot into one of the hardest positions to play on the pitch.

Can you imagine if it didn’t work (which it won’t IMO). Be aswell writing off his season.

[NC1875]

People wanting a hard DM and then saying play Hanlon there. The same Hanlon who is soft as jimmy white!

[MagicSwirlingShip]

We didn't have Mcginn or Allan. Hanlon defo played midfield that day.

Stanton played in midfield alongside Fyvie and Martin. We had a back 3 (5) of Gray , Forster, Hanlon, Fontaine, Stevenson.

[The 90+2]

It’s got to the **** stage we want defenders in the middle. It’s not happening otherwise we would have signed a ball winning midfielder. It’s not the way Hecky wants to play.

[My_Wife_Camille]

Hanlon definitely played midfield that day. I don’t seem able to upload screenshots from my phone but the 90 minutes are here for anyone to check at their leisure.

He was in a diamond along with Fyvie, Martin and Stanton


https://youtu.be/JoSvVcZOkBo

[MikeyS]

Ridiculous comparison. Hanlon has played there for the first team albeit no more than a few times, nothing to do with where he played when he was 14.

We don't have a genuine defensive midfielder, our midfield is soft and is getting overrun and will continue to do so unless we change things. I'd prefer us to sign a DM. but in absence of one Hanlon is worth a try.

I'd say it's more extreme than ridiculous. Paul Hanlon isn't even playing well in his own position right now but we are hearing more and more desperate calls to shift him into a very specialised role that he has perhaps covered 2 or 3 times.

Whilst Hecky is here I feel we wont play with a dedicated DM which has been backed up with his decisions to get shot of Marv & Milligan & also referenced in his interviews stating he wants midfielders to be all rounders.

I personally dont believe this is the right approach but we are going to have to like it or lump it under his time as manager.

[The 90+2]

Hanlon definitely played midfield that day. I don’t seem able to upload screenshots from my phone but the 90 minutes are here for anyone to check at their leisure.

He was in a diamond along with Fyvie, Martin and Stanton


https://youtu.be/JoSvVcZOkBo

Stanton scored a peach then we got destroyed.

[MikeyS]

It’s got to the **** stage we want defenders in the middle. It’s not happening otherwise we would have signed a ball winning midfielder. It’s not the way Hecky wants to play.

Absolutely spot on. I dunno why people cant grasp this. Hes said it in press too. Not the right thing in my opinion but am not in charge. unfortunately!

[The_Horde]

Absolutely spot on. I dunno why people cant grasp this. Hes said it in press too. Not the right thing in my opinion but am not in charge. unfortunately!

What were his exact words?

I find it hard to believe that he doesn't want a defensive midfielder when he tried so hard to sign Ojo and if I recall, his words were a different way of basically saying he wants all of his midfielders to contribute at all times

[Franck Stanton]

That's a great shout. I heard he started his career in midfield, although I could be wrong.

Let's face it, he couldn't be any worse than some of the huddies we have played there so far this season.

[AlbertK86]

Don't remember Falkirk but he started at DM against Rangers in the 6-2 game and was awful

I thought he was doing well in CM against Sevco in 6-2 game. It was when one of our CH got injured and he went back that we got overrun


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[Brightside]

People wanting a hard DM and then saying play Hanlon there. The same Hanlon who is soft as jimmy white!

:rolleyes:

[MikeyS]

What were his exact words?

I find it hard to believe that he doesn't want a defensive midfielder when he tried so hard to sign Ojo and if I recall, his words were a different way of basically saying he wants all of his midfielders to contribute at all times

It might've been the interview he did with Aiden Smith, I cant remember exactly but there was mention of all midfielders being able to tackle or they wont be in his team.

[CapitalGreen]

Hanlon definitely played midfield that day. I don’t seem able to upload screenshots from my phone but the 90 minutes are here for anyone to check at their leisure.

He was in a diamond along with Fyvie, Martin and Stanton


https://youtu.be/JoSvVcZOkBo

Hanlon started in midfield and was playing well. Forster got injured early and Hanlon moved back into defence and our whole game plan fell apart.

[My_Wife_Camille]

Hanlon started in midfield and was playing well. Forster got injured early and Hanlon moved back into defence and our whole game plan fell apart.
Yes, we’ve established now that Hanlon did indeed play in midfield that day and moved to CB with around 35 minutes left with the score already at 3-1.

Imo he wasn’t good there but that’s just a matter of opinion.

[LeithMike]

Hanson's best form for Hibs has come on the left side of a back 3 and he's been great at pushing forward with the ball.

Think I'd be going back to 3-5-2 to get players back in form and tighten up the defence.

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[Robbo6-2]

3 5 2 is the best formation for our players.

But Hecky is far to stubborn to change it.

[jeffers]

I'd say it's more extreme than ridiculous. Paul Hanlon isn't even playing well in his own position right now but we are hearing more and more desperate calls to shift him into a very specialised role that he has perhaps covered 2 or 3 times.

Whilst Hecky is here I feel we wont play with a dedicated DM which has been backed up with his decisions to get shot of Marv & Milligan & also referenced in his interviews stating he wants midfielders to be all rounders.

I personally dont believe this is the right approach but we are going to have to like it or lump it under his time as manager.

Noone is disputing that Paul Hanlon isn't playing that well in his own position just now, who knows why that is. It's not to say he wouldn't perform better in another position. The calls to play him there are a suggestion to try something different, to fix an issue, you included, believe we have.

Heckingbottom's decision not to play with a more defensive midfielder will IMO be what ultimately costs him his job, though tbh given some of the other pish he's come out with I'd be inclined to take most things he says now with a large dose of salt. I can't of think of many midfielders I'd describe as being further from an "all rounder" than Stevie Mallan, yet game after game he's being asked to play as a deep midfielder.

Paul Hanlon has all the attributes to play the position and has proved he can do it, I don't think there is any more a risk in trying him there than there is continuing to play Mallan there.

[jeffers]

It might've been the interview he did with Aiden Smith, I cant remember exactly but there was mention of all midfielders being able to tackle or they wont be in his team.

If he did say that then it's up there with his fast, pressing football and fitness levels they won't have seen before, given none of his starting midfield on Saturday can tackle to save themselves.

[MWHIBBIES]

Does anyone remember the disaster when Marv had to go centre back Vs Dunfermline at home? Was a nightmare. How about Ambrose in midfield Vs Kilmarnock?

Porteous in midfield would not work.

[MWHIBBIES]

3 5 2 is the best formation for our players.

But Hecky is far to stubborn to change it.

Nonsense. He is anything but stubborn with his team selection and formation, totally baseless thing to say.

[The_Horde]

If he did say that then it's up there with his fast, pressing football and fitness levels they won't have seen before, given none of his starting midfield on Saturday can tackle to save themselves.

Agreed. But let's not go slating a man for something that, until now, hasn't been evidenced by Mr Accuser.

[KeithTheHibby]

Hanlon in midfield is laughable. Smacks of desparation.

I thought Mallberg was going to be the DM we need?

[Robbo6-2]

Nonsense. He is anything but stubborn with his team selection and formation, totally baseless thing to say.


Has he ever played 3 5 2?

He uses two formations only, 4 3 3 or 4 4 2

[MWHIBBIES]

Has he ever played 3 5 2?

He uses two formations only, 4 3 3 or 4 4 2

Not at Hibs no. He hasn't played 4411, 4321, 3421, 3412, 3313, 4141 either. That does not make him stubborn.

He has played 4231 plenty times as Hibs manager so he has at least 3.

[we are hibs]

Would it be asking a lot to have players play their natural positions? Shifting players here there and everywhere is a nonsense.

[JimBHibees]

Nonsense. He is anything but stubborn with his team selection and formation, totally baseless thing to say.

Your right he isn't stubborn he seems to have a totally different team every week.

[J-C]

What about the young lad Ben Stirling, a natural DM and at an age where he needs to start showing what he can do, played fairly well in pre season.

[Heisenberg]

What about the young lad Ben Stirling, a natural DM and at an age where he needs to start showing what he can do, played fairly well in pre season.

Heckingbottom said he wants Hallberg to play the role they tried out with Stirling/Campbell in pre season.

[offshorehibby]

What about the young lad Ben Stirling, a natural DM and at an age where he needs to start showing what he can do, played fairly well in pre season.

Stirling & Campbell are out on loan with Arbroath at the moment. I think Stirling's been starting regularly since his move.

[SquashedFrogg]

Would it be asking a lot to have players play their natural positions? Shifting players here there and everywhere is a nonsense.

Who has he shifted here, there and everywhere?